Licensed Kazumi Magica - The Innocent Malice (Spinoff manga series) [Archive]

Daniel E.

2011-01-25, 04:05

Mahou Shoujo Kazumi Magica
Spinoff started serializing in Manga Time Kirara Forward starting March 2011 issue (release on January 24, 2011).

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8240/imgkazumi.jpg
Story by Hiramatsu Masaki.
Illustrated by Tensugi Takashi.

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BaKaBaKaOtaKu

2011-01-25, 04:19

whoa!! that's nice! XD

sirn

2011-01-25, 04:55

Just finished the first chapter… its relation to Madoka is much weaker than I thought. But Kazumi is adorable.

http://i.imgur.com/XRMHm.jpg

First chapter starts with Kazumi getting locked up inside a suitcase; Kazumi has has no memories and can't remember anything except her name. She was found by Tachibana Souichirou who thought the contents in the suitcase was a time bomb that he planned to blew up a shopping center for revenge. After treating Kazumi a food, Tachibana receive a call from mysterious woman when he's told the suitcase has been swapped and he should come to exchange it at the shopping center otherwise this will be reported to the police.

Turns out it was a set-up by woman inspector, but two passing-by middle school student triggered the timer. Kazumi wish for the bomb to stop in order to protect Tachibana, the bomb that was supposed to be real turned into a toy bomb and the woman inspector ended up losing face as a result. Kazumi realized this was set-up asked her directly only to be interrupted by two passing-by middle school who reveal themselves to be Kaoru and Umika, and they were looking for Kazumi since yesterday.

Kazumi goes back to Umika's house where she once lives, after some rest, she found a note from Kaoru and Umika that they're going out. That evening, the woman inspector come visit. Kazumi cornered the woman inspector into admitting she's here to kill her to keep the case quiet. The inspector turned into a monster and attempt to kill her. After the monster tried to take Kazumi's earrings, Kazumi turned into a magical girl and beat her.

Kismet-chan

2011-01-25, 04:59

Edit: I answered my own question. Nevermind. XD

Definitely looks and sounds interesting.

scr

2011-01-25, 06:48

Ummm... i don't see how Kazumi's story is supposed to be related to Madoka's :heh:
Good job btw, sirn. Do you actually live in Japan?

applejuice

2011-01-25, 07:02

It's not a mahou shoujo...

it's just...

DARK THRILLER

Hypernova

2011-01-25, 07:37

Am I the only one to notice that her expression is rather menacing when she disposed of the monster?

redgrnbluylw

2011-01-25, 14:55

Am I the only one to notice that her expression is rather menacing when she disposed of the monster?

Well, it is titled "Innocent Malice" ;)

Mow Yun

2011-01-25, 15:38

I'm not quite sure I'm approving of that huge hat o_o but the expression of the background character on the cover seems particularly ominous :S

omimon

2011-02-13, 15:16

Who here is willing to bet that Kazumi will make sort of appearance in the last episode of the anime or something.

Raiga

2011-02-13, 17:34

What interests me is what the inspector lady said when she started transforming... referring to the mysterious person/thing who gave her the information on Tachibana. "Not only did (s)he give me information, (s)he also gave me power enough to kill someone without leaving a single trace." Possible indication of another Kyubey-type figure? Or maybe Kyubey himself...?

Ravenblitz

2011-02-19, 06:13

the spin off Kazumi Magicka is so-so but i'll give it a couple of chapters to judge it.. totally not comparable to Madoka Magicka manga

amnesiac moe mahou shoujo.. she looks like a witch though and no Kyubey :(

Sol Falling

2011-02-19, 14:06

So...that was pretty awesome. Is there such a thing as naked moe? :P lol but Kazumi was just great in general. The generally cheerful and flippant atmosphere will probably make this a fun ride regardless of content. On the other hand, Kazumi's art is kinda not very attractive when she's wearing a serious expression. Cognitive dissonance. I wonder if I won't have an issue with that as we get deeper into the manga.

Kazumi was kidnapped, has magical powers, and seems to have lost all her memories. There is the mysterious figure whom she was supposed to have been traded to; there is also the mysterious figure who gave the cop powers and a lead on the cook guy. They both seem to have been specifically targeted at Kazumi, but I can't feel yet that both mysterious figures are the same person. Kinda interesting.

I will be interested to know how this manga is related at all to Madoka Magica. Thus far they even seem completely different universes. So far, it is more interesting/entertaining than the anime adaption manga though as the content is stuff we haven't seen before.

Scrooge McDuck

2011-02-20, 14:04

As a fan of cross-media franchise, I am a bit miffed that this doesn't seem to have anything to do with Madoka Magica universe. The only common factor is that both try a different approach to the genre.

Wilfriback

2011-02-25, 21:29

After reading the first chapter, I have to say Kazumi is more interested by far compared to Madoka and her I-can't-do-nothing syndrome.

I wonder if anyone else has thought of Kyubee when Kazumi's got flash memory about corpses of herself around her.

Raiga

2011-03-12, 23:35

... btw whatever happened to this? When do chapters come out?

Shadow5YA

2011-03-13, 00:23

I can't tell whether this is set in the distant, unspecified future of Madoka's time, or if this is in a different universe entirely.

The Puella Magi contract is exactly the same, with a silhouette of Madoka and Kyubey as reference. However, the Witch was able to be returned back to a normal human, which makes hope that Madoka was able to make a breakthrough and tweak the system.

novalysis

2011-03-13, 01:40

Perhaps this is a slightly different system , set after Madoka ? It might be that in this system , Puella Magi's go through 3 stages . Firstly , as a Puella Magi , Secondly , as a Witch , and finally assuming that they've survived long enough/somehow redeemed/ repent, returned to their human selves , with all it's implications .

Essentially , with Witch like powers , but without the draw back of insanity. In other words , immensely powerful reality warpers with their humanity intact - or as intact as their powers would allow them. Barriers created by them are extremely subtle and almost indistinguishable from reality, and within their barrier , their conscious will becomes reality.

Kazumi is essentially a Puella Magi - post Madoka rewrite of the rules. Which might explain why the connection is much weaker - the whole system was amended.

Alternatively , this might be a more advance system created by the Incubators , designed to ensure that Worlds last longer , and a more sustainable harvesting of souls can be effected. PM3 was essentially the prototype Alpha , this is the Beta.

Shadow5YA

2011-03-13, 02:00

That is the question: is this series set in the same universe as Madoka's, or is this series unrelated to Madoka's plot, and the setting is merely based on Madoka's universe?

novalysis

2011-03-13, 08:12

That is the question: is this series set in the same universe as Madoka's, or is this series unrelated to Madoka's plot, and the setting is merely based on Madoka's universe?

In other words , it's relation to Madoka's storyline ? My personal take is that Kazumi lives in a Universe where Witches can redeemed , and she is a Witch that has emerged out of her insanity and despair , with no memories at all of her deed as a Witch , nor as a Puella Magi . A stage 3 Puella Magi.

Sol Falling

2011-03-13, 14:16

Holy crap guys, did noone else notice yet? The black cat showed up in Kazumi Magica! My mind is currently being blown.

Anyway yeah, it seems like Kazumi Magica does have a somewhat stronger connection to Madoka Magica than we thought it had. Soul Gems exist, and witches also apparently drop something; though if that is a Grief Seed isn't really known yet. The mysterious person creating witches/handing out power I spoke about last time seems to have been revealed, and is a Puella Magi...? Or maybe she's just another mysterious character? In any case, the idea that this world is somehow related to the Madoka Magica universe makes the flashbacks Kazumi had in the first chapter much more anomalous and notable--six witches and/or mahou shoujos standing around a hexagram, Kazumi recieving her bells (Soul Gems?) from an older adult figure...

It'll probably be a while before we see the answers to these mysteries. Chapter 2 made me feel less Kazumi moe than the first one, but this manga is still pretty awesome.

FatPianoBoy

2011-03-13, 14:58

Wow, this mangaka has no idea how to frame action scenes. Still, the story is interesting, especially since the differences in witches and grief seeds are probably not just stylistic changes. I was pretty indifferent about the first chapter, but the second one is quite a bit better.

Myssa Rei

2011-03-13, 16:39

I'm really curious if the manga-ka is working off the script that Gen wrote, or is just HOPING that it connects somehow with the anime (assuming the TV series ends on a bittersweet note).

FatPianoBoy

2011-03-13, 18:12

It's a spin-off, so really he only needs to understand the fundamentals of the universe he's writing in. It doesn't have to connect to the characters of the anime at all as long as the rules for the creation of magical girls and their eventual fates remain consistent. My money is on these girls being the witches from the first half of the series, though.

Dark Wing

2011-03-13, 22:28

My money is on these girls being the witches from the first half of the series, though.

I'm betting Kazumi turns out to be Walpurgis Night whose with me?

novalysis

2011-03-14, 11:14

I'm betting Kazumi turns out to be Walpurgis Night whose with me?

I disagree . The Puella Magi system seems to be significantly different from that of Madoka Magica. However, I do have a pet theory that Kazumi is a former Witch who was somehow turned back into a Magical Girl , and that this series is set Post-Madoka . Which means that we might be looking at the aftermath of Madoka's rewrite of reality . I suspect if Madoka was to make a contract in the time-loop Madoka Magica's set in , it would strongly revolve around rewriting the system as much as she can.

Wilfriback

2011-03-15, 16:28

I'm betting Kazumi turns out to be Walpurgis Night whose with me?

I disagree.

Why nobody seems to be suspecting of this girl?
http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/6883/25239643.jpg

Proto

2011-03-15, 16:31

That's the teacher

Vanish

2011-03-15, 16:32

Oh my goodness, it's German subs! lol

NaweG

2011-03-15, 20:17

That's the teacher

Who is unmarried, and therefore still "eligible" even if a bit old. Of course since witches were originally called "old crones"...

In any case, I have to agree that this spin off seems to be more "Post Madoka" than prequel. So I suspect that we'll have to hope to get the Walpurgis answers elsewhere.

Hagoshod

2011-03-18, 19:32

Yes, let's turn the Junko Iwao character into a Magical Girl.

And then her Witch form can be Ophelia from Romeo x Juliet

Triple_R

2011-03-18, 19:38

Holy crap guys, did noone else notice yet? The black cat showed up in Kazumi Magica! My mind is currently being blown.

What exactly did the black cat do?

FatPianoBoy

2011-03-18, 21:04

It walked around the house.

Sol Falling

2011-03-18, 23:02

lol, indeed. It also seemingly disappeared off the top of Kazumi's head after she asked Umika what was for breakfast.

I am thus tentatively taking the black cat's role in both Kazumi and Madoka to simply be a red herring/mascot character, with no major plot impact. Yeah, even the revelation of that possibility was enough to blow my mind :P.

Kanon

2011-03-24, 03:59

http://s2.postimage.org/mgymr93c/654800.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/)

Good Kyubey, you look kinda cool. I'm not reading this manga, but I guess he was disguised as that black cat Sol Falling was talking about earlier.

Dark Wing

2011-03-24, 09:42

Snork

2011-03-24, 10:17

I'm betting Kazumi turns out to be Walpurgis Night whose with me?

No proof so far, but this has occured to me, too. (then, for good measure, let's make Oriko turn into Charlotte, shall we?)

However, I do have a pet theory that Kazumi is a former Witch who was somehow turned back into a Magical Girl , and that this series is set Post-Madoka . Which means that we might be looking at the aftermath of Madoka's rewrite of reality .

sounds interesting, too. :)

Why nobody seems to be suspecting of this girl?

um, no, my brain isn't quite working towards her. For all I know, Hitomi might be a more probable candidate in that aspect. Although considering the teacher's private life, I'm afraid she'd jump at the call the moment Kyuubey mentions wish-granting. :heh:

And then her Witch form can be Ophelia from Romeo x Juliet

anooooooo... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophelia) :heh:

Dark Wing

2011-04-21, 16:11

With the way the anime series has ended we now know why things are so different here in the Kazumi Magica Manga. :heh:

So witches aren't the same kind of witches we're used too.

Myssa Rei

2011-04-22, 00:15

We still have some problems placing where Kazumi Magica in the greater Madoka Magica universe. Why? We still have old-school witches running around with the post-wish grief-generated monsters, that's why.

Snork

2011-04-22, 10:21

^ plus they are hinted to be more common. And complete with grief seeds. So far, nobody mentioned "Grief demons" or such.

Dark Wing

2011-04-22, 13:29

It could be that the manga writes were not given the full details on how the anime would end. This would result in plot intensity.

ThereminVox

2011-04-22, 14:10

The size of the team, and the apparent pre-Madokaverse setting makes me wonder if any of them might turn out to be someone/something we've seen before.

Myssa Rei

2011-04-23, 08:58

The size of the team, and the apparent pre-Madokaverse setting makes me wonder if any of them might turn out to be someone/something we've seen before.

The setting isn't in Mitakihara, but in another city. While we have magical girls like Kyouko seemingly roving around waiting for a specific territory to be vacated of its local guardian, I don't see any kind of overlap possible. Heck, we don't even know WHERE in Japan both cities are located in.

It could be that the manga writers were not given the full details on how the anime would end. This would result in plot discrepancies.

This is what I think happened. The Oriko and Kazumi artists were just given an outline by Gen on the rules of the Madokaverse, and even then these rules weren't even finalized. Case in point: the first Chapter of Kazumi Magica had them fighting different witches than the anime. This was before the origins of witches (Magical Girls become Witches when their Soul Gems get corrupted). When the truth was revealed, THEN we see anime-style witches in Chapter 3. I'm sure that the ending has placed the spin-offs in an even MORE awkward position (old-school witches shouldn't exist post-Madoka wish).

novalysis

2011-04-23, 09:21

This is what I think happened. The Oriko and Kazumi artists were just given an outline by Gen on the rules of the Madokaverse, and even then these rules weren't even finalized. Case in point: the first Chapter of Kazumi Magica had them fighting different witches than the anime. This was before the origins of witches (Magical Girls become Witches when their Soul Gems get corrupted). When the truth was revealed, THEN we see anime-style witches in Chapter 3. I'm sure that the ending has placed the spin-offs in an even MORE awkward position (old-school witches shouldn't exist post-Madoka wish).

I suspect that they'll probably wave it off as an attempt to simulate Old Madoka Verse Witches , without the creation of Puella Magi's . In fact , I somehow have this theory bouncing around that Kazumi Magica is set after Madoka Magica , and that the entire plotline revolves around a faction of Puella Magi's that despise the endless war they're in , and is trying to break the system , and if possible destroy the creator of the system . I can just imagine that , if somehow , some Puella Magis have some knowledge of the existence of Madoka ( even if it's only existence , and possibly name ) , there would be quite a few that would like to destroy her and have the system re organized - or broken forever.

Of course , if they succeed , millions , if not billions of Puella Magi's are going to get SCREWED . Again.

totoum

2011-04-23, 12:12

This is what I think happened. The Oriko and Kazumi artists were just given an outline by Gen on the rules of the Madokaverse, and even then these rules weren't even finalized.

The Oriko manga is written by Gen himself though (the artist just does the drawings),that's the big difference between Kazumi and Oriko to me,it's also why I look forward to Oriko a whole lot more.

Dark Wing

2011-04-23, 13:27

hellblueboy

2011-04-24, 03:44

QB does appear in kasumi manga
http://img849.imageshack.us/i/53936009.jpg

omimon

2011-04-24, 04:35

QB does appear in kasumi manga
http://img849.imageshack.us/i/53936009.jpg

OHHHH damn its gonna get heavy!!

Solace

2011-04-27, 11:59

Chapter 4 is out in the usual places.

1. Seems the first "Witches" we saw are actually forgeries created by artificial Grief Seeds. The one in the last chapter was a legit Witch.

2. Jyubey is definitely an Incubator. Also, Kyubey makes a somewhat off panel cameo.

3. Unlike Kyubey, he doesn't just eat normal Grief Seeds, he also eats the grief from Soul Gems. He can also tell the difference between normal and forged Seeds.

4. It seems that the girls have a secret (or two) they don't want Kazumi to know about. It's heavily implied they know what happens when a MG uses all her magic, and how the MG system works. If Jyubey's grin is any indication they don't know everything though.

5. For the most part this universe appears to work exactly like it did in Madoka's, before her wish.

6. The "evil" MG had some ties with the group and is the one creating the forged Seeds. It's implied she was dead but came back somehow.

Looks like so far this is a standard Madoka universe story that could have taken place anytime before the anime ending. It also makes me wonder....if this wasn't related to the anime, why delay it until after the anime was finished?

Dark Wing

2011-04-27, 12:31

Most likely they did plan on making in coincide with the main series but it ended differently then mangaka expected so had to change it to make the story work.

Or maybe they will tie it to the series somehow later on...

zeniselv

2011-04-27, 13:54

maybe madoka wasnt the first one( or last) to change the system.

Snork

2011-04-27, 13:59

Boy, that's crazy enough to speculate in. :D
But what's with delay talk? Oriko was delayed, but this one ran almost simultaneously with the show, AFAIR.

Riga92

2011-04-27, 18:44

Things are starting to get interesting, and Kyubey even makes a short cameo!

Myssa Rei

2011-04-27, 20:27

Ah, so it ISN'T all rainbows and sunshine after all with the Pleiades. I think it's obvious by now that they know about the real origins of witches... The big question now is who/what Yuuri (HAHAHA, what a choice of name) is supposed to be.

Surprise surprise, Juubey can clear Soul Gem corruption. Why hasn't Kyuubey offered to do the same, I wonder?

Shadow5YA

2011-04-27, 20:48

maybe madoka wasnt the first one( or last) to change the system.

Or maybe this is a spinoff and people aren't supposed to think too much about the connection to Madoka's story.

Proto

2011-04-27, 20:49

Fiddlesticks.

Akashin

2011-04-27, 20:53

Or maybe this is a spinoff and people aren't supposed to think too much about the connection to Madoka's story.

Under normal circumstances I'd say, "^ This," and move on. However since Kyubey has now appeared in this (cameo, apparently; I haven't actually got around to reading this yet), I see no reason not to try and draw connections between this and the main series.

RDF2050

2011-04-28, 02:03

I'm betting Kazumi turns out to be Walpurgis Night whose with me?

You got my support. Just hope you are right about it. Still too early to know if this a prequel or sequel or just another different timeline all together of the anime.

Snork

2011-04-28, 05:18

Or maybe this is a spinoff and people aren't supposed to think too much about the connection to Madoka's story.

A spin-off shoudl be a spin-off, not an AU. JRPG spin-offs can easily get away with that, but with anime/books it's plain weird IMHO.

Kazumi=Walpurgis theory is actually an old one... But then again, even the witch card suggests WN might be a cluster of entities. How about taking the whole Pleiade into account? :)

Shadow5YA

2011-04-28, 09:29

Until proven otherwise, I will still assume a loosely based connection at best. Perhaps it's not quite a spin off, but I see Kazumi's connection with Madoka on the same level as Tsukihime with Kara no Kyokai and Steins;Gate with Chaos;Head. Same universe, maybe, but I'm not going jump to conclusions and believe that one story has events crucial to the plot of the other.

Dark Wing

2011-04-28, 10:38

You got my support. Just hope you are right about it. Still too early to know if this a prequel or sequel or just another different timeline all together of the anime.

Well I posted this theory way back early in the series now with all that's happen I'm not even sure how true this would turn out to be.

RDF2050

2011-04-28, 19:43

Well I posted this theory way back early in the series now with all that's happen I'm not even sure how true this would turn out to be.

It seems to be a different timeline/universe at this moment. Well, only time will tell what this spin off is: prequel, sequel or just another universe.

mols

2011-04-29, 13:38

I think it is something happening before/during the Madoka story.

What I did not like in the last chapter is that Jyuubee actually...smiled?smirked? they aren't supposed to have any emotions,right?

Akashin

2011-04-29, 13:42

I think it is something happening before/during the Madoka story.

What I did not like in the last chapter is that Jyuubee actually...smiled?smirked? they aren't supposed to have any emotions,right?

It's possible to smile/smirk without any visible emotion. That said, the whole thing about unchanging facial expressions for the Incubators only applied to the anime; Kyubey had some facial expressions in the manga adaptation of the anime, too.

totoum

2011-04-29, 13:48

they aren't supposed to have any emotions,right?

In the anime QB doesn't but in the manga version of Madoka Magica he does you sometimes really wish he didn't (http://i.imgur.com/RQ3B5l.jpg)

Akashin

2011-04-29, 13:50

In the anime QB doesn't but in the manga version of Madoka Magica he does you sometimes really wish he didn't (http://i.imgur.com/RQ3B5l.jpg)

=/ I was hunting the same pic, but I was delayed by the time it took to appropriately crop it (http://i.imgur.com/QQ1f7.png). :uhoh:

mols

2011-04-29, 13:51

It's possible to smile/smirk without any visible emotion. That said, the whole thing about unchanging facial expressions for the Incubators only applied to the anime; Kyubey had some facial expressions in the manga adaptation of the anime, too.

Oh, really? i haven't read the manga.
But that is kind of worse! Smiling without emotion is something even more complex. It means you are trying to force a smile to hide something, for example. Or, you don't feel like smiling but you feel that you should, to show a sign of appreciation, etc.
Smiling and other facial expressions are important social behaviors.

In the anime kyubee never smiles because he has no emotions and also he never feels he is doing something wrong or that he is deceiving... so why even smile? in the anime he even tells some outrageous things with the same tone and facial expression. Smiling, even without being happy, implies complex emotional processes...

Akashin

2011-04-29, 13:55

Oh, really? i haven't read the manga.
But that is kind of worse! Smiling without emotion is something even more complex. It means you are trying to force a smile to hide something, for example. Or, you don't feel like smiling but you feel that you should, to show a sign of appreciation, etc.
Smiling and other facial expressions are important social behaviors.

In the anime kyubee never smiles because he has no emotions and also he never feels he is doing something wrong or that he is deceiving... so why even smile? in the anime he even tells some outrageous things with the same tone and facial expression. Smiling, even without being happy, implies complex emotional processes...

Well in the scene totoum and I linked, emotion was necessary. In the anime you have the benefit of being able to tell that, even with his mostly emotionless voice, he was utterly flippant and uncaring. The manga has a tougher time showing that, so a wider range of emotions is needed to compensate. In the same chapter (chapter 8, if you feel like hunting it down for self-reference) you'll notice Sayaka looks noticeably darker, likely for much the same reason--you can't show her empty, emotionless voice in the manga.

mols

2011-04-29, 14:01

Well in the scene totoum and I linked, emotion was necessary. In the anime you have the benefit of being able to tell that, even with his mostly emotionless voice, he was utterly flippant and uncaring. The manga has a tougher time showing that, so a wider range of emotions is needed to compensate. In the same chapter (chapter 8, if you feel like hunting it down for self-reference) you'll notice Sayaka looks noticeably darker, likely for much the same reason--you can't show her empty, emotionless voice in the manga.

Yep, you are right about that. Those images are more for impact than actual smiling I suppose...and really, quite creepy...

Snork

2011-04-30, 12:22

In the anime, Kyuubey's image is heavily complemented by his evenly nonchalant way of speaking and never moving a face muscle. In the manga, much of this impact is lost, in static pics he just looks like a cute plushie. The artist had to compensate somehow.

Proto

2011-05-28, 19:12

The new episode is out. More tragic Puella Magica fate. We get a glimpse of Yuuri's past but somehow I don't really feel myself sympathizing with here. >_<

Snork

2011-05-29, 09:11

more importantly, I wonder if anything is explained about the continuity of the story.

wavehawk

2011-05-30, 00:13

I think we can just say Yuuri's gone off the deep end a long time ago. The bigger surprise is why she hasn't become a witch already...

Master Assassin

2011-05-30, 01:02

More than that, it's actually knowing that Yuuri... isn't Yuuri.

Riga92

2011-05-30, 01:42

I think we can just say Yuuri's gone off the deep end a long time ago. The bigger surprise is why she hasn't become a witch already...

Actually Yuuri...or should I say Airi became a witch already right before we are shown Airi's past.

wavehawk

2011-05-30, 03:48

I meant Airi---she started out with the anger and despair already.

Solace

2011-05-30, 10:42

The biggest surprise I had this chapter was Kyubey confirmed as a player in the system. He's the one who turned Airi and Yuuri into MG's. In fact, Jyubey seems very different than Kyubey. He even rushed to purify Yuuri's Soul Gem (unfortunately he was too late and got hurt in the process).

I'm not exactly sympathetic about Airi/Yuuri's fate but it is tragic. This is definitely the equivalent of episode 3 in my eyes.

There's some explaining to do though. Why did the Saints not want Kazumi to know about where Witches came from? Why is Jyubey different from Kyubey? Why didn't the Evil Nut work on Kazumi?

Riga92

2011-05-30, 15:11

Why didn't the Evil Nut work on Kazumi?

I think the reason why it didn't work is because technically, magical girls ARE witches, just immature. The evil nut seemed to have given Kazumi a power boost instead. But actually, Airi thought it didn't work it at first but for some reason she then stated it worked.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/685/99811481.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/88/99811481.jpg/)

wavehawk

2011-05-30, 23:00

Kyuubey fills his quotas and Jyuubey fills his--maybe they're competing for the better quota methods--Kyuubey pits Magical Girls against each other, Jyuubey seems to think having them work together is a better idea?

Just a guess.

Jimmy C

2011-07-03, 14:08

Chapter 6 has been scanlated. It's looks like the end of this story arc. Are we going to get plot development or episodic stories for this title?
On another matter, either Jyuubei doesn't know as much about the magical girl system or he's outright lying to the girls when he says "sometimes" magical girls turn into witches.

Riga92

2011-07-03, 14:32

Since Chapter 6 ends Airi's story, I believe the rest of the story will focus on Kazumi, mainly her dark past that we've only seen in brief flashbacks. The earlier chapters imply that Jyubei and Kyubey are up to something concerning the Pleiades Saints, especially regarding Kazumi. What their goals are is unknown but I feel like something big is going to unfold pretty soon.

Solace

2011-07-04, 00:21

Very interesting chapter.

What the hell is Kazumi? She just started turning into a monster, ripped a chunk off the Witch with her mouth, quickly regained her senses and then partially brought back Yuuri/Airi from being a Witch? When she realizes she can't quite do it, she then one shots the Witch.

I'm sorry but there's no way she's "merely" a Magical Girl.

Jimmy C

2011-07-04, 03:41

It probably has something to do with whatever robbed her memory. If she was always like this, the rest of her team ought to be more wary of her.
Or maybe they're just better at hiding it right now.

Proto

2011-07-04, 20:22

On another matter, either Jyuubei doesn't know as much about the magical girl system or he's outright lying to the girls when he says "sometimes" magical girls turn into witches.

Well, sometimes they just die before turning into one, so it's technically correct. :p

Jimmy C

2011-07-11, 09:16

Coming back to this after a reread, it seems I was slightly off-target. Jyubei is either ignorant of how the system works or is outright lying, not because he said, "sometimes" magical girls turn into witches, but because he said "we don't know why (that happens)"

Proto

2011-07-11, 09:19

I guess it depends on the translation accuracy. They actually don't know how that happens, Kyuubei stated they don't understand yet the specifics of magic. We would need the original Japanese since douyate (how) and doushite (why) are actually quite often mixed up from what I've seen.

Jimmy C

2011-07-11, 10:10

An interesting way to put it. But put yourself in Kazumi's shoes in that scene, would you be more likely to ask "how" or "why" as a first reaction?

Riga92

2011-08-01, 15:52

Chapter 7 is finally out! http://shinitan.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/5-cm-c11-kazumi-c07/

Now this was a very interesting chapter. Chapter starts with a magical girl named Akane Sumire being cornered by the Pleiades Saints. Akane recognizes Kaoru and begs for mercy, but Kaoru seemingly kills her. From the distance, an unknown, black haired magical girl watches them, looking intently at the Saint's soul gems, saying that she wants them...

Kazumi has finished eating breakfast at Tachibana's place and see's Nico and Jyubey patrolling outside and decides to tag along with them. Nico eye's throughout this whole chapter seemingly has no life in them. Nico notes how kind Kazumi is. Even though they have hidden the truth about witches from Kazumi, Kazumi understood that they hid it so she wouldn't remember anything painful from her past. Despite that, Kazumi wants to remember her past, no matter how painful it is. Nico tells her words are heart-warming, but says that Kazumi might have regrets if she remembers.

The black haired girl then appears before them. Her name is Souju Ayase, and she reveals to them that she's been collecting soul gems. Nico says thats a disgusting hobby, but then Ayase reveals that she saw the Pleiades Saints doing the same thing at the beginning of the chapter, gem picking.

Nico and Ayase then duke it out. Nico's wish was apparently "regeneration" which allows her to shoot missiles from her fingers and make clones, pretty cool power. After a couple pages of fighting, Nico apparently wins, removing Ayase's Soul Gem from her chest, and stunning her by squeezing her Soul Gem.

Suddenly, Ayase awakens, re-transforms with a different magical girl outfit, and manages a surprise attack on Nico. It is then revealed that there are two souls residing in Ayase's body. The other soul's name is Souju Ruka.

So apparently, if you are a magical girl, and you are in possession of the soul gems of other girls, its possible for all the souls to reside in one body...interesting.

zeando

2011-08-01, 17:52

i wonder what will happen if only one of the soulgems of a multigem user turns in a witch while the other gems are not completely dark, looks complicated :o
maybe it would become an half-witch half-magical-girl, a magical-girl powered witch or a witch powered magical-girl :uhoh: or maybe it'll simply come out as a witch leaving the undarkened soulgems back

interesting to note that the soulgem hunter collects them, doesn't kill them
so each soul(and magical girl) bound to the soulgem she collected must still be there, untill the soulgem gets crushed
it looks more like a MG kidnapper than a collector :3

the limit of having multiple soulgems must be how much those souls can work together not trying to take over all the body from the others
but the advantages must be very interesting, like double wish powers, double mp, but likely also double greef seeds needed to refill

AuraTwilight

2011-08-01, 18:08

So apparently, if you are a magical girl, and you are in possession of the soul gems of other girls, its possible for all the souls to reside in one body...interesting.

Are we sure that's the reason? It could also be multiple personalities, or tie into a wish.

Very interesting chapter.

What the hell is Kazumi? She just started turning into a monster, ripped a chunk off the Witch with her mouth, quickly regained her senses and then partially brought back Yuuri/Airi from being a Witch? When she realizes she can't quite do it, she then one shots the Witch.

I'm sorry but there's no way she's "merely" a Magical Girl.

Same for this. We have no idea what the hell she wished for, but she's been warping reality since the first chapter.

Jimmy C

2011-08-01, 18:17

So apparently, if you are a magical girl, and you are in possession of the soul gems of other girls, its possible for all the souls to reside in one body...interesting.

Somehow, I don't think so. I think Ayase and Luca are the only users of that body, whether it's due to their wish or some other magic. Given that the other Soul Gems they have were unlikely to have been "donated" willingly to them, I doubt they'd want those poor souls to take control of their shared body.

Dark Wing

2011-08-01, 19:40

It could also be that the magical girl holding multiple soul gems can also tap onto the powers of the previous owners of said gems.

Hagoshod

2011-08-03, 18:38

i wonder what will happen if only one of the soulgems of a multigem user turns in a witch while the other gems are not completely dark, looks complicated :o
If we're going off TV canon, then... nothing at all?

The physical body of the Magical Girl stays intact when her Soul Gem converts into a Grief Seed, so the remaining soul will still have a human vessel to work with and shouldn't have anything to worry about. That is, aside from standing directly in front of a newborn Witch.

edit: And after reading Chapter 7, whoever the mangaka for this is needs to stop ripping off my ideas (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7159321/1/Acceleration). I mean goddamn.

Bloss-Chan

2011-08-03, 19:51

Don't flatter yourself x)

Myssa Rei

2011-08-15, 06:41

The newer chapter puts yet another wrinkle on the reputation of the Pleiades Saints. Just what ARE they doing with those acquired Soul Gems anyway? If they're taking them away to... somewhere, then the police in the city where Kazumi lives in probably have a LOT of unsolved cases where teenaged girls just wind up dead without any known causes...

Never mind the fate of the souls of those actual girls.

Not that the new arrival is any better of course.

Myssa Rei

2011-08-27, 20:33

Chapter 8 RAWs are out and all I have to say is... The whiplash, it bloody hurts in this series.

Jimmy C

2011-09-02, 12:54

Chapter 8 translated. And did someone just turn into a witch?
And more half-truths from Jyubei. "What happens when a Puella Magi's gem is taken away?", "Depending on the situation, she dies." "Situation" in this case meaning the gem is more than 100m from the girl in question.

Myssa Rei

2011-09-03, 20:47

It's hinted that the witch is Nico. It still might be a red herring though, given the franchise.

Note, might, as prior to this we didn't even see Nico's soul gem get soiled or blacken in any manner. It just floated off then... boom. Witch manifestation and labyrinth.

AuraTwilight

2011-09-03, 21:32

What I want to know is why Soujo says they could only coexist by stealing Soul Gems. By what mechanic does that work out? It can't be keeping their soul gems clean; they'd need Grief Seeds for that.

Hagoshod

2011-09-04, 00:08

Don't flatter yourself x)

Too late. I already added it to my TVTropes profile (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tropers/Dragonzordasaurus).

Riga92

2011-09-05, 01:43

Finally got around reading this. So through synchronization, Kazumi and Nico manage to defeat Soujus. The rest of the Pleiades Saints show up, and they want to take the Souju's soul gems also. Kazumi wants to know why, since she wants to share the burden with them. Too bad Saki doesn't want her to know. But then all of sudden, a witch appears, with Nico's body floating. Is it Nico's witch? Looks like it, but we will find out next chapter I guess.

Proto

2011-09-05, 11:34

The Pleiades Saints are all witches who were switched back by Kazumi, so occasionally the just flip back.

I called it

Myssa Rei

2011-09-05, 18:04

Sageblink

2011-09-09, 17:43

Proto: My theory is rather similar. What I think is that this isn't the first incarnation of the Pleiades. The thing is, Kazumi probably did something to the first team. The girls we have now came afterwards, and are probably trying to avoid what happened to the first team.

That wouldn't explain why this team is collecting soulgems, or why Kazumi got no memory. They would simply remove her soulgem if she was a threat.

I agree with you, Kazumi did something, but those Pleiades were the original ones. Kazumi already saw them collecting gems, as stated.

jigenbakuda

2011-10-05, 07:49

I am not sure when the translated version is supposed to come out but I read the raws of ch.9... It was so great to me as a wakaba mirai fan. In the translations I don't think they mentioned that she was a bokuko (I might go back and read the other raws to see if I can find other cool stuff). So now my favorite girl has intensified the moe in my heart. She also is a big part of this chapter and I got a whole page drawing of her:D And damn that costume is smexy... hope mirai doesn't get killed off anytime soon... but knowing the anime this was based off of...

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3130/mj0910.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/mj0910.jpg/)

Jimmy C

2011-10-07, 23:00

Scanlation's out. Nico's doubles can certainly be said to be authentic. And the reason the Saints are collecting Soul Gems (and bodies!) is explained... next month.

Myssa Rei

2011-10-26, 18:29

Spoilers and scans out for Chapter 10!

So, we're given the reveal that was promised in Chapter 9. It seems to be mostly a story of how the Pleiades were founded, and each girl's wishes and the circumstances that caused them to contract:
* Umika's initial attempts at publishing were sabotaged by a meddling editor. Her first books were practically ghostwritten by the time they were done with them.
* Kaoru's right foot was irreparably crushed during a game. The player responsible attempted to commit suicide out of guilt, and wound up in a coma.
* Satomi's beloved pet cat fell ill and died. By the time she figured out what was wrong with it, it was too late. That's why she wished to be able to hear what animals are saying.
* Mirai was really really shy and didn't have any friends, so she wished to be more open with people (two guesses WHO in particular).
* Nico is the kid from the article she was looking at in chapter 7! I knew it!! The shooting was an accident, however. The bullet ricocheted and killed both of her friends.
*Saki and her best friend were in a car accident. Saki was pinned down and unable to get her out of the wreck, and the friend's throat was cut by a glass shard. Saki's wish hasn't been revealed, though there are some implications.

Some things of note:

* It looks like the Freezer *supposedly* is a Soul Gem purification facility. Supposedly it's also a place where girls can be de-Puella'd, but I'm not sure that's even possible... and the girls aren't sure either.
* Apparently Kazumi was a Puella WAY before the rest of the Pleiades, and in fact saved them from a group suicide courtesy of a Witch's kiss.

http://www.syu-ta-anime.com/blogimg/2011/e/20111025madoka02.jpg

http://www.syu-ta-anime.com/blogimg/2011/e/20111025madoka01.jpg

* SAYAKA CAMEO! LOL As a girl, a puella, and a witch sadly.

Solace

2011-10-27, 08:21

* It looks like the Freezer *supposedly* is a Soul Gem purification facility. Supposedly it's also a place where girls can be de-Puella'd, but I'm not sure that's even possible... and the girls aren't sure either.
* Apparently Kazumi was a Puella WAY before the rest of the Pleiades, and in fact saved them from a group suicide courtesy of a Witch's kiss.

The first one almost makes sense. Remember that Kazumi was able to partially bring back Yuri? From what we know of the Madoka universe, that should be impossible unless you have incredible magical power (on the level of Madoka herself which was supposed to be a unique event), and yet we know that having that kind of power would almost immediately make you a Witch. Perhaps Jyubey's reference to her magic being "destruction" is a misnomer, and he may mean she has control over life and death.

This follows with your second comment. Remember the pile of bodies Kazumi is standing in during the first chapter? Perhaps that was the group suicide referenced here.

Sayaka referenced is also interesting. This is now the second time the Manga has referenced something from Madoka that we the audience would now consider past history. That we know Kyubey is around but keeping himself hidden, and apparently creating Witches is strange enough. We know Jyubey is not quite as clueless about the system as he appears to be based on his rather "evil" face in the panel just after we see him sitting next to Kyubey's shadow. He has plans for the Saints.

More speculah after the chapter is translated.

AuraTwilight

2011-10-27, 12:43

It's interesting to note that while he said her power was destruction, what he first said basically means "Sacrilege/Breaking Religious Law", and corrected himself after the fact.

I'm sorry, but who just casually misspeaks something like THAT? The two terms come from the same pronounciations, so it works as a pun, but not as an accidental turn of phrase. I am positive he was speaking her actual power, then 'corrected himself' to hide it.

Let's remember she broke 'religious law' by turning a bomb into a toy with godlike power. Kazumi's no Madoka, but she may be the next best thing. She has power that might be able to screw the system.

As for what gives Kazumi this power, we can all tell it's probably greatly in part due to her wish. Frankly, my theory right now is that she learned about the system before she contracted (maybe from Jyubey?) and wished to Never Become a Witch. As a result, whenever she's about to, she loses her memories instead, rebooting her.

And of course, Evil Nuts exist and Kazumi can screw a whole bunch of rules and she's generally dangerous as hell.

Provocateur

2011-10-27, 18:17

Where did you guys find the raw scans? :( I'm dying to see them D:

Solace

2011-10-27, 18:19

Where did you guys find the raw scans? :( I'm dying to see them D:

Sorry, you'll have to look on Google or some other search engine.

Myssa Rei

2011-10-28, 01:01

http://bond555.blog91.fc2.com/blog-entry-491.html

For stuff relating to the spoilers I already mentioned, as well as page images for those who can't find the RAWs themselves.

Xion Valkyrie

2011-11-10, 02:15

Riga92

2011-11-10, 04:12

Scanlated chapter is out.

Anyways, has it been confirmed that this takes place after Madoka. The latest chapter seems to imply the witch system is still there, which would mean it takes place before Madoka...

Where was the Sayaka reference?

You probably weren't reading it carefully. Sayaka appears in page 3, on the top right panel, and page 5 on the top panel.

Anyways, it's nice to see everything finally being revealed. So the Pleiades Saints have good intentions, trying to save all magical girls from turning into witches. Their methods are definitely extreme though. And some of the backstory of the Saints...damn...and so it is also revealed that Kazumi was apparently a magical girl before them, and saved them from committing suicide from a witch's kiss. Can't wait to see her backstory fully revealed.

Xion Valkyrie

2011-11-10, 04:53

Huh, maybe the raw is different because in the scanlated version the shading is so dark that I can't really tell at all.

Solace

2011-11-10, 11:53

Anyways, has it been confirmed that this takes place after Madoka. The latest chapter seems to imply the witch system is still there, which would mean it takes place before Madoka...

I'm sure someone will theorize about Walpurgis with this chapter, but I'm sure I'm not the only person who thought "what happens if the seal breaks and all of those girls, with unpurified gems on the verge of becoming Witches, break free?"

It reminded me a lot of Ghostbusters and the containment unit....it was fine until it was shut off, at which point the concentrated number of ghosts escaping unleashed something even worse.

I'm starting to wonder if that's Jyubey's role here. Kazumi has a desire to save girls from becoming Witches, and has some power to do so. This "rejection" system was started by her, but the Saints have done the job of adding a lot of girls to it. Kyubey's plan was fairly limited...in the Madoka anime it's implied that having so many girls in one town is unusual. Here you have the Saints and even more captured girls who aren't quite Witches (yet). If Jyubey's plan is to get them to all hatch at once, the resulting energy explosion would be huge and who knows what kind of Witch would be created. It makes me wonder why he can't purify them given that he has that capacity. They can't be as far gone as Yuri's, which he did try to purify.

The unknowns of course are whatever Kazumi wished for, what her powers actually are, and if there is really a way to purify and restore the girls to humans. We do know that since Witches exist, this is a universe that God-Madoka hasn't been to yet (or hasn't contracted yet), and that because of that all of the girls are going to become Witches at some point because of the system. Nico only escaped because of her wish, but luck will run out sooner or later for all of them. The only unknown being Kazumi of course, because we don't know what that flashback in the first chapter means yet.

zeando

2011-11-10, 15:30

...why the hell was nico playing with a real gun?.. and the bullet bounced on a vase?? O_o
guess next chapter for the second part of the flashback

so all the rejecting plan is about finding a way to turn back to human the soulgems, a way usable by other magical girls i presume

jubey ammitting he/incubators extract souls to turn in soulgems like there is no fault by their part in the witch trasformation process
makes me think or he's playing dumb or jubey has some sort of deal with the pleaides, which negates him to sign more contracts while they are trying their plan

so it's still not totally clear jubey's position in all this plan: (both 3 option taken as genuinely)
-supporting, it was part his idea and he's actively going against the sistem
-neutral, it wasn't his idea but looks interested and untill it's proven useless he won't interfere
-triky/opposing(1), the plan is all an elaborated trap if it was his idea,
-opposing(2), at the right time he'll interfere making it horribly crash if it wasn't his original idea

Jimmy C

2011-11-11, 04:27

Well, the Saints have gathered a large cache of Gems on the verge of shattering. If something goes wrong during an operation to save all those girls, those gems could all shatter simultaneously. That would be a major haul.

zato_1one

2011-11-25, 12:15

Huge spoiler Image
http://image.ohozaa.com/i/534/7LT3l.jpg

Jimmy C

2011-11-25, 12:31

Note the black borders around the panels. This is a flashback sequence.

Dark Wing

2011-12-05, 06:52

Huge spoiler Image
http://image.ohozaa.com/i/534/7LT3l.jpg

I know I'm late to post here but it seems to me that they are finally trying to tie this story into the main series and would really like tp see where this is going.

Solace

2011-12-11, 02:41

Ok, wow...read the raw. Kazumi was quite the teacher of tough love eh? :heh:

Anyway, the appearance of a "special person" now confirms direct ties to the Madoka universe. Interestingly, one of Kazumi's abilities seems to be influenced by that person too. ^^ It's unfortunate there's no point of reference for time though, except it does not take place during the story of the anime.

Also, this chapter continues to imply to me that Kazumi is ridiculously powerful. It's not Godoka, but if she's not the next strongest I'm not sure who else would fit the bill. How is she doing this stuff without burning out her Soul Gem?

It's nice we're going to see her wish though. I wonder if they'll do a complete flashback so we can find out what the scene in chapter one of her standing among all those corpses meant.

Finally, the most important panel in the chapter: Jyubey with the special person. Just when you think the mystery is unraveling, another pops up.
I'm so far surprised at this manga. It's done a pretty good job of adding some unique elements to what we've already seen in Oriko and Madoka, but keeps the atmosphere and overall "feel" of the anime intact. It might have some silly moments, but when you consider the revelations so far, it's actually a pretty dark story.

Myssa Rei

2011-12-12, 22:30

Yeah, the new chapter is finally translated.

As for Jyubey with the special person, I was under impression that it was Kyubey, and just a case of confusing frame use. Look at the frame where the special person was walking away...

Also aren't we forgetting that this is the same series that featured Yuri, who had a ridiculous amount of skills for a singular puella (where the TV series only implied that they're limited to at least two)?

NTFTH

2011-12-24, 21:44

Spoilers for chapter 12 are out. Not sure how accurate they are.

Kazumi's wish was to bring her grandma out of her coma for the remainder of her life.

Then they make strawberry risotto together and have a nice heartwarming (grand)mother/daughter talk.

All the Pleiades contract.

Saki and Kazumi quickly become good friends. This development does not sit well with Mirai.

One night, Kazumi heads out to introduce a 'new friend' to the Pleiades. When she doesn't come back, Juubey and the other six girls head out to find her.

They find Yuuri (the real one), about to turn into a witch. She does, they kill her, Airi sees them, etc. The same as chapter 5. This is how the Pleiades find out about witches.

The Pleiades (minus Kazumi) meet back at Umika's house and interrogate Juubey.
Umika shoots Juubey with eye lasers, wipes his memories, removes his ability to make any more contracts and orders him to work for them.

Kazumi's memories return, she gets a massive headache and her eyes turn into yin-yang dealies again. Satomi is pretty wigged out by this, as she has been by like every other plot twist.

Saki stays behind for a bit as the others all file out of the Freezer. Satomi doubles back to talk to her.

And then Satomi, of all people, pulls this big psycho face and says "Saki, let's kill Kazumi".

Shadow5YA

2011-12-26, 07:41

If that's true, I guess that would explain why Jyubey has been generally kinder than Kyubey.

As for a certain big boobed magical girl, I don't consider her appearance to be much more than a cameo.

Diveman

2011-12-31, 17:33

woah...this series, just...this series, so mysterious.

Ive got some theories about what's happening:

- Umika, as we know, can re-write memories, so maybe the flashback wasn't real, or she modified it somehow. As she did with Jyubei memories. At this point im pretty sure she was the one who erased Kazumi's memories prior to the start of the series, but why?

- So Satomi wants to kill kazumi, we also don't know the reason, but "maybe" the pleadies are plotting something against kazumi, and satomi wants just do "finish it quicky" and kill her. First I thought it was something related to just Satomi and maybe Saki, but then I realized, as Umika can re-write memories however she want, maybe this is just a huge plot between all the pleadies, which leads to my next theory...

- I think what Kazumi wanted in the past, was to stop hunting magical girls for whatever reason, maybe she felt it wasn't a good idea. Either way, I think the pleadies knew this and figured out a plan to 1) erase her memories of that and hopefully create new/fake ones with the help of umika, 2) make kazumi help them to chase the remaining magical girls and then finish her off.

Now, at this point, I do NOT know who's the real evil one here, it could be Kazumi, as I stated, her memories from the flashback might be fake, since at the beginning of the series, umika and kaoru said kazumi never told them her wish, but now in the flashback she does...hmmmm.

Now I do think the pleadies are plotting something else, but maybe they aren't evil, or they wouldnt be chasing magical girls with the hope or purify them one day in the future, providing they find a way (probably related to kazumi)

EDIT: OOH!! now I get it, now I know why Jyubei purifies the gems, even though Kyubei never did. Umika re-writting his memories made him able to do that, probably telling him that the "fairies" need to purify the gems of the pleadies if they ever start to go dark

so Tl;Dr version: Kazumi is the villian, they beat her and erase/re-wrote her memories, are using her to help them and then they will kill her.

Also im new here, nice to meet u all =)

Jimmy C

2011-12-31, 22:55

The problem is, if the aim is to "get rid" of Kazumi, why not just kill her?

Diveman

2012-01-01, 12:59

Because they would need her to get more magical girls? as in, they need her abilities.

AuraTwilight

2012-01-01, 23:31

The problem is, if the aim is to "get rid" of Kazumi, why not just kill her?

She'd beat them in a direct fight? She, for some reason can't afford to be killed, like having to deal with the Dark Nuts?

NTFTH

2012-01-06, 22:59

Chapter 12's been translated.

Witched

2012-01-07, 01:18

Because they would need her to get more magical girls? as in, they need her abilities.

They could always get magical girls themselves. After all, they're not THAT weak... :uhoh:

Then again, Satomi's probably evil. :heh:

Satomi's probably one of the conspirators (along with 'Yuuri') and probably knows the source of Evil Nuts.

Dark Wing

2012-01-09, 16:15

Okay I've come up with a theory as to what happened to Kazumi and why Satomi suddenly said what she said.

Now I believe everything seen in that flashback was true except they may have left out on critical piece of information that being if Kazumi had ever on the verge of becoming a which.

Think about when the Saints were waiting for Kazumi that night no one could find her. What if at the time of the great reveal Kazumi was about to go witch and Saints found her in time to remove her soul gem, put her on ice and revived her later.

This is the reason they still have not purified the other girls yet they don't know if the process is going to even work so they are waiting to see what happens with Kazumi since she's their first experiment.

As for why Satomi said they should just kill her? Look at her reaction at page 24. Well we've all seen what happens every time Kazumi has a freak out you know with the weird eyes and stuff. Well maybe Satomi is starting to think that Kazumi is turning into a failed experiment and the only why to help her now is put her down before it's too late.

AuraTwilight

2012-01-09, 22:58

I'm really suspicious of the validity of this flashback in it's entirety. We were told that none of Kazumi's friends knew her wish, and she's telling them within the flashback as part of motivating them to contract with Jyubey.

So either A) They're all lying, and why would they do that if it's as innocuous as waking up her grandma, B) they all forgot somehow (why?) or C), the memories Kazumi is recovering right now are FAKE...which is HIGHLY LIKELY.

Hell, I can't even connect how her presented wish connects to all the weird stuff Kazumi does. How does waking up grandma let her turn bombs into toys, or detect the false Witches, or turn Witches into Puella Magi hybrid abominations?

Hell, how is waking up a comatose person "Sacrilege/Destruction"?

No, this entire story is bullshit. Umika must've fucked with her head.

Dark Wing

2012-01-10, 00:56

Hell, I can't even connect how her presented wish connects to all the weird stuff Kazumi does. How does waking up grandma let her turn bombs into toys, or detect the false Witches, or turn Witches into Puella Magi hybrid abominations?

Hell, how is waking up a comatose person "Sacrilege/Destruction"?

No, this entire story is bullshit. Umika must've fucked with her head.

Well the bomb can simply be explained as transformation magic after all we've seen it done in the main series before. Like Mami making a magic bat for Sayaka or Kyoko enhancing the telescope.

the others we don't know for sure but maybe her wish to restore her Grandma gave her to power to restore all things to their original state and some extent break it down?

Shadow5YA

2012-01-10, 01:24

AuraTwilight

2012-01-10, 04:35

I agree that we should take the story with a grain of salt, but I don't think you can always relate a magical girl's wish with their actual powers.

How does Mami's wish to survive a car accident give her muskets and ribbons?

Well, about that, supplemental materials say that Mami's wish was to "keep her connection to life", therefore ribbons.

Weapons and stuff seem to be what a Mahou prefers to fight with, otherwise how the hell can you get a weapon out of like...99% of wishes?

What does Kyoko's weapon or barrier power have anything to do with her wish to get people to listen to her father?

Again, those seem to be standard powers. Her real power is supposed to be some illusion power, which she suppresses subconsciously because of her trauma.

Well the bomb can simply be explained as transformation magic after all we've seen it done in the main series before. Like Mami making a magic bat for Sayaka or Kyoko enhancing the telescope.

the others we don't know for sure but maybe her wish to restore her Grandma gave her to power to restore all things to their original state and some extent break it down?

Possible, but SO MUCH ATTENTION IS BROUGHT TO IT, and she wasn't even in Mahou Shoujo form (unless I'm misremembering that bit, I honestly don't know), and, well...there's still the thing with Yuuri/Airi's witch, and the whole deal with Kazumi being MAD special and mysterious in general.

And again, I just don't see how waking someone from a coma has to do with "breaking down." Restoring to one's original state might work, but she specifically turned the bomb into a toy.

Shadow5YA

2012-01-11, 14:45

Again, those seem to be standard powers. Her real power is supposed to be some illusion power, which she suppresses subconsciously because of her trauma.

I concede the point about Mami's ribbons, but how is Kyoko's barrier not a special power? No other magical girl has been shown to have the capability to make one.

AuraTwilight

2012-01-11, 21:11

All she really does is make a wall come up that's made of substances not unlike her spears. Though if you want a fanwank, you could argue that it's entirely illusory and convinces everyone involved that 'this line shall not be crossed' or something.

NTFTH

2012-01-11, 21:22

I concede the point about Mami's ribbons, but how is Kyoko's barrier not a special power? No other magical girl has been shown to have the capability to make one.

Didn't Homura also make a barrier to protect Madoka in Oriko Magica?

AuraTwilight

2012-01-12, 00:15

Yes, actually. Chapter five. That supports my idea that making barriers for protecting civilians is something all Mahou Shoujo can do.

Witched

2012-01-12, 15:52

Hell, I can't even connect how her presented wish connects to all the weird stuff Kazumi does. How does waking up grandma let her turn bombs into toys, or detect the false Witches, or turn Witches into Puella Magi hybrid abominations?

Heh, the wish of "Turning her grandma to her normal self" is more like changing things around, hence, turning things into something else.

Detecting False Witches or turning Witches into abominations is a different story, which I assume will be told soon. I guess the Pleaides Saints had something to do with that happening. :heh:

But the strange part is, how does Kazumi's Soul Gem turn into the earrings, especially when Saki gave her a new pair after losing one?

AuraTwilight

2012-01-12, 21:05

Heh, the wish of "Turning her grandma to her normal self" is more like changing things around, hence, turning things into something else.

Hardly. Grandma is still Grandma. Maybe if she shut off or turned on the bomb, it'd be a workable argument, but she literally turned it into a plastic toy. It became a new object that the bomb originally never was; this isn't at all comparable to her past wish.

But the strange part is, how does Kazumi's Soul Gem turn into the earrings, especially when Saki gave her a new pair after losing one?

Good point. More evidence that Kazumi's backstory is fabricated.

Witched

2012-01-12, 21:54

Hardly. Grandma is still Grandma. Maybe if she shut off or turned on the bomb, it'd be a workable argument, but she literally turned it into a plastic toy. It became a new object that the bomb originally never was; this isn't at all comparable to her past wish.

Well, her wish would most likely be the biggest lie, then. :eyespin:

- The Pleaides Saints got her to contract with Juubey. Though the fact that Kazumi named the museum had most likely contradicted this thought.

- The part about Umika screwing with Juubey's memories was the truest part of the memories, though I wonder how'd that get into Kazumi's mind since she wasn't there from the witch hunt. :heh:

- Kazumi probably destroyed her own memories, based on the fact of her power being 'Destruction'. Possibly explains why her memories were gone.

- Something happened to Kazumi. In Chapter 12, it shows that she was pretty kind. But at the end of chapter 10 and beginning of chapter 11, her personality's quite different. Hence, Umika being the mindscrewer. :uhoh:

Still, I wonder who this 'friend' of Kazumi's that was mentioned in Chapter 12... :uhoh:

NTFTH

2012-01-12, 22:03

Still, I wonder who this 'friend' of Kazumi's that was mentioned in Chapter 12... :uhoh:

The friend she mentioned in ch 12 was the original Yuuri according to the Madoka Wiki.

Witched

2012-01-12, 22:15

The friend she mentioned in ch 12 was the original Yuuri according to the Madoka Wiki.

Looks like Kazumi had most likely saved Yuuri from a witch then. Then Kyuubey comes in and contracts with her. That probably explains one chain of event and how 'it' knew about the witch being Yuuri. :heh:

(Juubey was with the Saints at this point.)

NTFTH

2012-01-24, 18:48

Myssa Rei

2012-01-24, 19:11

Spoilers are out.

Kazumi turned into a Witch around the same time Yuuri did.

The current "Kazumi" is the Pleiades 13th attempt to revive her. The purification experiments they're performing in the Freezer are a stepping stone to reviving her.

The original Kazumi, whose memories Umika presumably gave to the clone in the previous chapters, was actually named Michiru Kazusa (和紗ミチル). 'Kazumi' can be read with the kanji for '13', and was probably her nickname when she was alive (as in Kazusa Michiru).

The title, "Malefica Farce", refers to Kazumi essentially being a human shell with a witch's insides stuffed into it. (A farce is a kind of stuffing) This is why her Soul Gem looks like a Grief Seed.

Incidentally I was the one who pointed out the subtle food pun in this chapter's title (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12943821940A52797100&page=863#21572)over at TV Tropes. Its funny what you learn from stuffing Christmas turkeys... DOUBLE bonus because a farce in normal use means a mockery of something normally seen as serious or important (in this case, the 'truth').

And boy, what a bombshell this chapter is. I smell much discord for the Pleiades in the future, as I think some of them are getting attached to THIS iteration of Kazumi.

Diveman

2012-01-24, 19:40

holy f***** s*** this series

Ok so, now we understand a handful number of things, but it also raises a number of questions:

1-. Now I get why Kyuubei says at the beginning of the chapter he appears: "Do you think things will go well this time pleadies?"

2-. This could also explain Nico's back-up's theory of being a magical girl from the museum, as in, an experiment

3-. Jyuubei's speech about Kazumi's magic being "Sacrilege", no FREAKING WONDER!!

4-. Ok so...who's creating the evil nuts??? My theory? "The pleadies, they are creating evil nuts to turn humans into witches, so that they can study the process of becoming a witch and returning to a human state at the same time.

5-. Now we understand the pic of Kazumi standing near a pile of dead bodies who looked like her, they were all her clones.

6-. Didn't Kyuubei say that bringing a witch to a human state is technically impossible? so who came up with this idea, how exactly powerful are the pleadies to create this type of magic? Probably Kyuubei knows they will fail, based on his speech during the Jyuubei intro, he probably also knows that Jyubei's memories are altered, but he doesn't give a shit since they won't be sucessful in reviving Kazumi, no mater how hard they try, she will still turn into a witch sooner or later.

7-. Who was the friend Kazumi was gonna bring during the night she turned into a witch?

Sageblink

2012-01-24, 20:54

7-. Who was the friend Kazumi was gonna bring during the night she turned into a witch?

7- Yuuri.
The rest, I can't answer... :heh:

AuraTwilight

2012-01-24, 23:35

I kind of called it!

Witched

2012-01-25, 22:40

4. If the Pleaides did it, then it'd explain why Kazumi got stronger in that other chapter after contacting with the Evil Nut.

6. Bringing a witch into a human state? :heh: Looks like Kyuubey planned this all out without knowing. Looks like there's really a 3rd party helping out Kyuubey or handing out the Evil Nuts.

The issue is, how the heck does Kazumi even have powers in the first place, if her Soul Gem was different? I guess that the 'Evil Nut' theory in here would pretty much make sense right now, especially turning Human into Pseudo Witches, but the process doesn't reverse itself.

Random questions: Why are they trying so hard to revive Kazumi? Why would they only attempt to save Kazumi, but not Yuuri? Why the hell would Satomi want to kill Kazumi? How did Kazumi develop her personality?

The only explanation for reviving Kazumi would be 'cause they are sort of in her debt.

Sageblink

2012-01-25, 23:30

AuraTwilight

2012-01-26, 01:35

Also, they're apparently trying to save all Magical Girls. Kazumi might just be the guinea pig until they perfect it.

Diveman

2012-01-26, 06:43

Because Kazumi saved them all from dying, so they kinda want to return the favor, and I think its actually the opposite, they rest of the magical girls are the guinea pigs.

Also, something has been bothering me. The soujos also had several soul gems, why would they be collecting them? just as a hobby or maybe there's another secret hidden there.

AuraTwilight

2012-01-26, 06:47

Well, they've already stated they need to collect Soul Gems to stay as they are...

Diveman

2012-01-26, 18:49

Yeah, but it bothers me for some reason, I mean, Madoka and friends collected Grief seeds to purify their Soul gems and the pleadies have Jyubei, so why would the Soujos need to get Soul gems from other girls?...I know maybe im just overthinking things, and it was just a weird hobby for them...

Ok nevermind, I read it on the wiki: "She (Luca) claims that she has to collect Soul Gems or else she won't be able to coexist with Ayase"

Witched

2012-01-26, 19:23

Well, Evil Nuts can be good yet bad things. :heh:

Still, I somehow think that Satomi has connections with the bad guys. :heh:

Especially in the chapter where she sort of vanished and Yuuri disguised as her. :uhoh:

Well, She's evil, methinks.

AND THESE SUSPICIONS WERE INDEED, CORRECT (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=12943821940A52797100&page=864#21591). (NOTE : MORE SPOILERS IN THE LINK.)

Diveman

2012-01-26, 22:09

Wait...why is Satomi being able to read minds? Wasn't her ability only limited to animals?

Also, I guess the "bad guy/girl" is the one who created the Evil nuts

but yeah I agree, Satomi looks like she's working for someone else...sigh, so she might get killed at some point or something bad might happen to her...what's with this series against big boobed girls, geez

AuraTwilight

2012-01-27, 03:38

Wait...why is Satomi being able to read minds? Wasn't her ability only limited to animals?

The powers of a Magical Girl seem to mutate off of what they wished for. Satomi basically wished to talk to animals, which means telepathy, and there's no reason to restrain them to just one type of mind...

Shadow5YA

2012-01-30, 02:03

Random questions: Why are they trying so hard to revive Kazumi? Why would they only attempt to save Kazumi, but not Yuuri? Why the hell would Satomi want to kill Kazumi? How did Kazumi develop her personality?

The only explanation for reviving Kazumi would be 'cause they are sort of in her debt.

Why not? Kazumi is the same as Madoka: an initially average magical girl who became "special" because her friends made her that way.

Diveman

2012-01-30, 19:14

I just re-read Kazumi again (sigh, I do this everytime a new ch is out since it helps me to understand the whole background better), I think it "is" safe to say, the memories Umika showed to kazumi are false, because in addition to the fact that kazumi tells them her wish in the flashback, Kaoru's wish is different too: In ch 2 she says that she wished for a healthy body that would always allow her to play soccer, but in ch12 she wishes to help the people who were hurt in the soccer match, and when Kazumi asks "what about your leg?" she says "its fine, I will come back to the field".

So even if the wish included herself, its reasonably different from what she told to Kazumi, even though it could be a lie such as when they wold her "anyone can turn into a witch", but why would they lie about their wishes? beats me

Witched

2012-01-30, 22:32

i think it "is" safe to say, the memories umika showed to kazumi are false, because in addition to the fact that kazumi tells them her wish in the flashback, kaoru's wish is different too: In ch 2 she says that she wished for a healthy body that would always allow her to play soccer, but in ch12 she wishes to help the people who were hurt in the soccer match, and when kazumi asks "what about your leg?" she says "its fine, i will come back to the field".

So even if the wish included herself, its reasonably different from what she told to kazumi, even though it could be a lie such as when they wold her "anyone can turn into a witch", but why would they lie about their wishes? Beats me

As proven in Chapter 13, this was one of Kazumi's clones with the original's memories.

Actually, to wish for a healthy body, Puella Magis actually have enhanced body strength and regeneration, allowing them to have a healthy body in a way.

So I doubt it would have been any more different than the wish made in chapter 12, but then again, she was hurt in the soccer match, so she was healed (I think, sort of) too by that wish. :heh:

But lying about their wishes? :uhoh: That'd be weird.

But I wonder how Saki's powers got her to make her use electricity. :heh:

Myssa Rei

2012-02-04, 06:27

New chapter is out and translated.

Welp, I guess this is where things start to go tumbling down. Honestly I wasn't expecting Satomi to be the one to break the compact (I am assuming between the Pleiades) first. Huh.

Against 12 previous "attempts", I think the odds are stacked against anyone who tries to help Kazumi. I expect permanent deaths at this rate.

Unless we get some crossover again from the main series again. But that wouldn't be fun.

Diveman

2012-02-04, 07:55

At least now we know that...

Kaoru lied the first time about her wish or lied in the flashback, whatever. Also there Is a someone creating the evil nuts and its a man. I wonfer if Satomi is actually working for that guy.

Oh it also puzzles me, why Clone Nico's soul gem wasnt tainted but she still turned into a witch. Also I think when clone nico said "we have no future as long as he's around", she might have been talking about the real villian of the series

Jimmy C

2012-02-04, 08:19

We don't know if the creator of the evil nuts is a man for certain. Remember, Japanese has gender neutral pronouns. The translator could be just guessing.

Shadow5YA

2012-02-04, 10:02

The supplier of the evil nuts will be Kyubey. Just watch.

Diveman

2012-02-04, 11:42

That actually makes a lot of sense

deadsea

2012-02-06, 17:27

I think that this manga is getting out of control .what about cloning michiru?, they make clear that with flesh of her witch form, but what about her soul gem?? ... I don't get it.
Also saki's hair grows
Satomi has the twelve michiru's clones, but that clones should be witches??
The freezer with girls ... the pleiades are using girls for ..? research about turn into witches or what?

Diveman

2012-02-07, 18:44

The freezer with girls ... the pleiades are using girls for ..? research about turn into witches or what?

Yes, to be more exact, research on how to turn Magical girls/witches into humans again.

Satomi has the twelve michiru's clones, but that clones should be witches??

Not really...well technically "maybe". They are just Kazumis that failed somehow.

what about cloning michiru?, they make clear that with flesh of her witch form, but what about her soul gem?? ... I don't get it.

Satomi made it clear that Kazumi's soul gem is actually a Grief seed.

deadsea

2012-02-28, 10:04

Here some pics about cannibalism, this is keeps getting darkness
http://blog-imgs-42.fc2.com/b/o/n/bond555/20120225021215e09.jpg
http://blog-imgs-42.fc2.com/b/o/n/bond555/20120225021215881.jpg
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http://blog-imgs-42.fc2.com/b/o/n/bond555/20120225021215b83.jpg

Diveman

2012-02-28, 11:02

This is getting good, can't wait for chapter summary spoiler!

deadsea

2012-03-06, 23:18

Where is the summary ?
I can´t wait anymore ;_;

Diveman

2012-03-07, 11:30

Please, anyone got a summary or more spoilers? I can barely sleep , thinking about what is gonna happen ; (

Myssa Rei

2012-03-07, 11:46

The translation has been up for a day now at... The usual place. Sorry, but it's against board policy to give out links.

Diveman

2012-03-07, 12:07

OK, pretty straightforward Ch

They show a flashback of how kazumi became a witch, they were just cooking and then bam!

Nico, Mirai and KYUBEI are watching without doing anything. Satomi reveals that Saki wanted to kill all the copies of kazumi if the end up being failures, but she couldnt bring herself to do it, so satomi says she's gonna "Help saki to get rid of her burden".

Kazumi's clones can use the attacks of all the Pleadies because they all used their magic to create such clones.

Apparently Kazumi can eat/absorb her clones to regenerate herself, hence the title "Cannibalism". Kazumi's clones ask her to kill them, kazumi doesnt want to so Satomi uses her Cat staff to attack and pierce them (its one of the spoiler picks in the previous posts).

Last pannel shows Kazumi and one clone on the ground while Satomi grins saying "I killed all the Kazumis".

deadsea

2012-03-07, 16:15

damn short chapter...

Diveman

2012-03-07, 16:29

Next chapter someone has to do/say something

Solace

2012-03-08, 22:20

New chapter is out.

Totally expecting Satomi to turn into a Witch at this point. Again I'm drawn back to the pool of dirty Gems and the revelation in this chapter that Kazumi can "eat" the other clones to regenerate. This may turn out to be the story that explains the origins of Walpurgis. All the signs are there.

Kazumi is a "witch" with no barrier.
She can absorb her clones and has the powers of the other Saints.
The Saints are all on the verge of despair.
The huge number of stored girls on the verge of despair in one spot.
Kyubey is involved, and we know the goal of the Incubators: as much energy output as possible from the creation of a Witch. This would be a huge payload.
Witches absorb elements of their birthplace into their barrier/design. If Kazumi turns into Walpurgis, it would explain the gears: they're all over the place in the museum. The animal parade would be the stuffed animals stored there as well.

Essentially, the theory would be that Kazumi ends up absorbing all of it: the Saints, the stored girls, her own clones, and becomes the uber witch: Walpurgis. She's different from a normal witch in that she has no barrier and possesses multiple powers, and her familiars are the "remnants" of magical girls she absorbed.

I don't like speculating about Walpurgis (I kind of like it being a mystery), but even I have to admit this would be the perfect storm for its origin.

Shadow5YA

2012-03-08, 23:10

Jimmy C

2012-03-09, 02:39

I'm suspicious of Satomi's story of how Kazumi witched out. If you go through that flashback, there's no sign of the two common causes of fully corrupt Soul Gems. Complete magical exhaustion or total depression. If Satomi's tale is consistent with what really happened, then Kazumi's psyche just collapsed suddenly from a reminder of the other girls' contract.

AuraTwilight

2012-03-09, 03:28

Kazumi's story begins a bit too late for her to become Walpurgisnacht. The witch is legendary to experienced Puella Magi. If Mami and Kyouko are aware of it, then there's no way Walpurgis can be a new phenomenon created by Kazumi.

And no, there hasn't been any hint that Walpurgisnacht can time travel. Just throwing that out there just in case.

However, Walpurgisnacht is treated more as an EVENT rather than a BEING; there could have been multiple Walpurgisnachts throughout Puella Magi history, and it's more of a category of exceptional, Bonus Boss-level witches, rather than the same witch causing a crisis throughout history.

Especially since...well...why would Walpurgisnacht stop destroying the world unless it were defeated?

ndqanh_vn

2012-03-09, 08:15

Well, I am still one of the people who clings to the theory that the origin of Walpurgisnacht should be related to Homura. It will made a nice thematic endless cycle of hope and despair, and works well with the whole series, at least in my opinion.

About the manga Kazumi...well, because it is not actually written by Gen, I found it hard to think of it as being canon. The story is not as well written either, and somehow I am supiscious that the author pretty much makes up things along the way while he's writing. But maybe it's just me. But the newest chapter really did not sell itself very well for me. I felt it hard to get what the characters are doing, why are they doing this, and why should I care what happen to them.

That's being said, I think the author might really try to build up a mass-corruption of Soul Gems. Maybe it will bring Walpurgisnatch, maybe not. But all the girl would probably become witches in later chapter. Satomi is the biggest candidate now.

Witched

2012-03-09, 12:06

Nah, i doubt that they're going to produce Walpurgisnacht after all this.

After all, think about the witches' minions!

AuraTwilight

2012-03-09, 14:44

About the manga Kazumi...well, because it is not actually written by Gen, I found it hard to think of it as being canon. The story is not as well written either, and somehow I am supiscious that the author pretty much makes up things along the way while he's writing. But maybe it's just me. But the newest chapter really did not sell itself very well for me. I felt it hard to get what the characters are doing, why are they doing this, and why should I care what happen to them.

It's written with Gen Urobuchi's supervision, though.

Nah, i doubt that they're going to produce Walpurgisnacht after all this.

After all, think about the witches' minions!

What about them?

Sageblink

2012-03-09, 14:57

Nah, i doubt that they're going to produce Walpurgisnacht after all this.

After all, think about the witches' minions!

You mean this -walpurgisnacht- witch's shadow things that look like previous Puella magi ? :eyebrow:

Witched

2012-03-09, 21:50

You mean this -walpurgisnacht- witch's shadow things that look like previous Puella magi ? :eyebrow:

Yeah. They strangely look like the original form of Puella Magis. Also, the Minions' forms and roles/duties were based on the Witches' desire, so I doubt that Kazumi had certain desires...

Though the only thoughts that can make me agree that Kazumi could turn into Walpurgisnacht is the fact that she can 'devour' the other clones. Also, this (http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica_Official_Guidebook_%22Yo u_Are_Not_Alone%22#Labyrinth_design), because majority of her memories are 'fake' and don't belong to her. Then there's the fact that Kazumi has 'everyone's' abilities, so she'd be able to withstand most and certain attacks. :heh:

AuraTwilight

2012-03-09, 22:24

Yeah. They strangely look like the original form of Puella Magis. Also, the Minions' forms and roles/duties were based on the Witches' desire, so I doubt that Kazumi had certain desires...

I'm not exactly seeing the problem here. All of Kazumi's friends are Puella Magi, of course she'd like to be surrounded by her 'friends'.

Bear in mind that the Witch is a reflection of the person at the time of their changing into a Witch, so in Walpurgis' case, we can't judge whether Kazumi's mindset matches up until the moment she hypothetically becomes Walpurgis.

And we'd have to weigh in the psychological influences of everyone merging into Walpurgisnacht too.

Witched

2012-03-09, 23:52

I'm not exactly seeing the problem here. All of Kazumi's friends are Puella Magi, of course she'd like to be surrounded by her 'friends'.

Bear in mind that the Witch is a reflection of the person at the time of their changing into a Witch, so in Walpurgis' case, we can't judge whether Kazumi's mindset matches up until the moment she hypothetically becomes Walpurgis.

And we'd have to weigh in the psychological influences of everyone merging into Walpurgisnacht too.

Doubt that everyone's going to turn into witches at the same time (Especially with Satomi) (Yet).

Though it's probably understandable that other Soul Gems in the museum might either turn into Witches/Grief Seeds (through unknown means) or get destroyed along the process (of Walpurgisnacht). :heh:

Thinking about witches, there barely any description on Michiru Kazusa's witch form. And the beginning of Chapter 14 makes it look like that Michiru had regretted getting the Pleiades to contract, for a moment.

NOTE: This prediction might create further confusion and unintentional spoilers, as the idea how the story will roll out is created by my own ideas and how everything is so far. Readers are advised to not complain after realizing how it could possibly make sense, though it may be all false. Gotta wait for a month or so to disprove all this, eh? ;)

Kazumi's obviously going to survive this, either by devouring the corpse in front of her or having Mirai jumping in and helping her out, though Satomi will be all like "Saki loves Michiru" to make her feel jealous. She'll end up helping her out because "she won't be forgiven by Saki" if she doesn't do it.

Then later on..

The other members of Pleiades are trying to heal/restore Kazumi/Saki and starts discussing things about the future. When Kazumi wakes up, she probably will be given an explanation, then learns the truth of everything.

Kazumi feels betrayed by everyone else for lying and not telling the truth about the whole thing to her, then probably goes solo to hunt down Satomi, who went solo as well.

Then, Kazumi finds Satomi and tries to kill her (while on a rampage), but the other Pleaides will come in and try to get the two to stop fighting each other, though Kazumi will most likely overpower the whole group. Eventually, most of their Soul Gems would most likely be almost 100% corrupted, then Kazumi will stop after starting to mourn over her own errors and such. Then there goes more talking, tears and regrets, then everyone's Soul Gem would then transform into Grief Seeds and evolve into Witches. Kazumi will fall into despair as well, though she'll have to destroy every single one of the Witches made by the Pleaides or absorb their Witch forms and become Walpurgisnacht.

In an alternative case, Kazumi would probably try absorbing their grief/bodies while they're still Puella Magi by transferring those thoughts/memories to herself and become Walpurgisnacht right there.

And then another thought, would be that they all turn into Witches at the same time, though Kazumi's despair overpowers the others and ends up 'absorbing' them by getting them into her barrier, then they all be mixed together then.. There's Walpurgisnacht. :heh:

AuraTwilight

2012-03-10, 00:26

Doubt that everyone's going to turn into witches at the same time

Do they HAVE to?

Diveman

2012-03-10, 17:48

Do they HAVE to?

they will eventually, that's the destiny of every magical girl except Madoka.

AuraTwilight

2012-03-10, 17:50

I mean, do they have to turn at the same time in order to be part of Walpurgis.

Shadow5YA

2012-03-12, 23:49

they will eventually, that's the destiny of every magical girl except Madoka.

and Homura.

Also, they don't have to turn into witches. They can make sure they die before that happens, either by accident (Mami), by suicide (Kyouko vs Oktavia), or by assisted suicide.

That's why I have some hope that Kazumi comes to terms with what she is and somehow sacrifices herself before she loses control.

Diveman

2012-03-13, 11:18

The worst thing is, Im 99,9% sure we wont get a happy ending off this.

Sageblink

2012-03-13, 12:25

The worst thing is, Im 99,9% sure we wont get a happy ending off this.

Well... It only depends of Madoka. If she come and erase Kazumi before she turns into a witch, then the whole story is erased / changed. And the whole manga would become pointless.

So i'm hoping for a conclusion to this story before Godoka starts messing up with fate. :heh:

Diveman

2012-03-13, 16:44

That's what I mean, im pretty sure Gen won't allow for a sugar and rainbows ending.

Shadow5YA

2012-03-13, 18:37

It can still be bittersweet, like Kyouko's kamikaze on Sayaka. Just because there is no Godoka yet doesn't mean Witch end is a certainty. As I've said before, they can go out in a blaze of glory before that happens.

shanazumi01

2012-03-21, 03:28

Theory:I think Satomi will end up as Insane Mami.She will be killed i think.
Or
Maybe Satomi is being brainwashed by someone maybe Oriko(lol).I think she is dead.She was the Witch Yuuri.Maybe Yuuri transfer her soul to her body.Then she can control Satomi's body and will use it to calculate the Pleaides' actions

deadsea

2012-03-25, 23:42

Hi!
Some pics http://blog-imgs-37.fc2.com/b/o/n/bond555/201203251712518a2.jpg
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I can't understand was going on!!

AuraTwilight

2012-03-26, 00:32

Satomi goes Witch, to the surprise of NO ONE.

Dark Wing

2012-03-26, 02:16

But why? Was there any reason given? Did she just give up hope?

deadsea

2012-03-26, 08:41

Maybe All Saints Will turn into witches trying to help kazumi

Diveman

2012-03-26, 10:34

Hi!
Some pics http://blog-imgs-37.fc2.com/b/o/n/bond555/201203251712518a2.jpg
http://blog-imgs-37.fc2.com/b/o/n/bond555/201203251712512cf.jpg
I can't understand was going on!!

Is she really going witch? I don't understand what is she saying, but it looks like she's controlling a grief seed somehow. Maybe she's Kyuubei's agent after all.

Btw, Satomi in saying something like: "shit i touched the devil girl, is that no good?"...so yeah, maybe she'll go witch after all

AuraTwilight

2012-03-26, 13:20

But why? Was there any reason given? Did she just give up hope?

It's just happening without warning, like with Nico's clone, some of the past Kazumi's....

deadsea

2012-03-26, 14:47

Maybe Nico is working with Satomi?
their Clone turning into a witch was soo weird...I think that nico is using other girls

AuraTwilight

2012-03-26, 15:27

Inb4 they're ALL goddamn clones.

Diveman

2012-03-26, 21:12

That'd be an amazing plot twist. IMO Nico and Satomi are working together, if you notice the cover of the 3rd volume, they are the only ones who are backturned.

deadsea

2012-03-27, 09:02

Also Satomi is holding Juubey.
I didn't notice that Nico has her soul gem in back neck

Diveman

2012-03-27, 09:07

Me neither, it doesnt help that she never shows her back neck.

Jimmy C

2012-03-28, 07:16

And here I just told someone that the back was a terrible place for a Soul Gem.

deadsea

2012-03-28, 09:48

Sageblink

2012-03-28, 10:21

Maybe all pleaides are clones with rewrites memories lol , except two Umika and Saki... But i don´t know how nico fake turn into witch with her soul gem without darkness... or QB is working with someone, he is always watching them any move to see how they fail again

Doesn't he have better things to do (like collecting energy) ?

I'm wondering. Since one of them can rewrite memories...
Could Nico's clone be another magical girl (from the freezer) believing she's Nico ?
I never quite understood the thing about her spare whatever.

So take Nico's cloned body, then add an already tainted soulgem from another girl, make her believe she's the one she's embodying :
BAM, you got a nice experiment for the Kazumi case, a spare for Nico and a timebomb-witch in the same time. :heh:

Diveman

2012-03-28, 10:27

They never go into much detail about her spare. Jyuubei says that is the "compensation" for Nico's wish, but we are never told what "Exactly" did she wish for.

My guess is that she's also plotting something, or she just basically doesnt give a s*** about anything.

Sageblink

2012-03-28, 10:29

... or she just basically doesnt give a s*** about anything.

^ She's good acting like that. :heh:

deadsea

2012-03-29, 12:52

I think that too, that nico clone was other girl with rewrite memories...

Diveman

2012-04-12, 08:22

FINALLY!

Kazumi absorbs the last clone and doesnt die, satomi says that witches are "something else" and her soul gem starts cracking until....yep, she turns into a witch.

Kazumi starts fighting by summoning familiars who blow Satomi revealing her true witch form, after that Kazumi goes bananas and eventually kills Satomi, the pleadies arrive and find kazumi still smashing Satomi against a wall even though she's already dead. She realizes it and wonders how much of a monster/witch she has become, Saki says its not her fault, Kazumi runs.

Back at the headquarters: They can't find/track Kazumi since apparently she's using magic to make her untrackable. The girls discuss what they are gonna do with Kazumi and wonder if they should kill her again, Saki protests...and here's the big stuff: They say that they now have only 5/6 magic to create a new Kazumi clone, then Nico (this bitch knows something, I can smell it) shows one of those small containers and it has SATOMI'S BODY and a Grief SEED, then they say that no matter how much it takes they will resurrect Kazumi and Satomi over and over. Kaoru doesnt agree.

Finally Saki and Mirai go to patrol and find Kazumi in a lighthouse or something and tell her the usual "its not your fault" or whatever, Kazumi says she doesnt know what she is, and then someone puts his/her hand on Kazumi/Michiru's shoulder, she goes "eh??" and the chapter ends.

so its official: Gen hates big boobed girls.

Im expecting a MASSIVE fight in the next chapter

Witched

2012-04-12, 18:39

At least one prediction was correct. :heh:

Kazumi's obviously going to survive this, by devouring the corpse in front of her

deadsea

2012-04-12, 20:29

Nico knowww da truth :c
maybe all pleiades are clones okno.
maybe nico disguise other magical girl to make look like satomi @,@

AuraTwilight

2012-04-13, 02:07

If all the Pleiades are clones, I just want to say that I totally called it.

Diveman

2012-04-13, 08:46

Nico knowww da truth :c
maybe all pleiades are clones okno.
maybe nico disguise other magical girl to make look like satomi @,@

I wouldn't be surprised, after whatever she did with her "spare" last time. My guess is that she knows everything or at least something the pleadies don't; I don't think she's evil or she's working for kyuubei, but she definitely knows something crucial.

And we still don't know her wish also.

Witched

2012-04-13, 14:59

All of them being clones, huh.. :uhoh:

Well, she definitely knew about the clones and the cloning process, so all of it was her own idea. I guess that...

Wished to restore something or somebody's body part(s). Thus, allowing her to recreate the body, but not the soul. :heh:

She's definitely not evil, methinks!

deadsea

2012-04-13, 20:57

Sageblink

2012-04-13, 23:27

So who is the bad guy?
And how nico fake and satomi turn into witches without any sign of corruption?
I think that Clones are defective or Nico is using others soul gems...
For the recents chapters . Damn are too short !

Well... Madoka Magica was mostly about Homura.
Maybe Kazumi Magica is about Nico...

Her wish could really be related to creation, allowing her to create the clones.

Diveman

2012-04-15, 21:08

BTW, the theory of all of them being clones isnt that crazy. Satomi's gem didn't show any corruption when she turned into a witch either (Just like Nico's)

deadsea

2012-04-23, 22:12

what's about the new chapter name ?
Strawberry rissoto
Maybeeeee homura appears and kill kazumi foreverr and the other pleiades for being soo lesbians okno.

Somebody has the chapter 15 raw?

Diveman

2012-04-24, 07:42

NTFTH

2012-04-24, 20:17

I was also thinking the one who appeared on the lighthouse was one of the girls from madoka, but who knows.

No ch 15 raws, this is the explanation btw:

I have raws of the chapter, but I have to pay to release them, so I'm just going to release the script (with notes about the art and context) right now. I'll update this post with the Share raw when they get uploaded.

so yeah...sad face. Anyways, ch16 comes out today in japan, I hope it brings a new plot twist to this already twisted series.

Here are some spoilers for it that were posted on TvTropes.

* Continuing immediately from the previous chapter, Kazumi turns around and finds herself face-to-face with Miyako Ishijima, the police officer from chapter 1.
o Ishijima's memories of the bomb threat and Evil Nut have been erased (possibly by Umika?).
* Kazumi gets in Ishijima's car for safety and they drive away from the lighthouse. Ishijima explains that over 20 girls have gone missing in the past few months, including Airi Anri. The only lead on the case is that each of their cell phones had a text message containing only the word "Hyades".
o The Hyades star cluster is located in the constellation Taurus, near the Pleiades. In Greek mythology, the Hyades were half-sisters to the Pleiades. Their brother Hyas was killed in a hunting accident, and after weeping from grief, they were transformed into a cluster of stars.
o The text messages are likely magical residue, as the phone companies' servers have no record of them.
* Ishijima off-handedly asks Kazumi if she regained her memories yet. Kazumi bursts into tears, and they hastily pull up at Tachibana's shop. Kazumi eats and goes to sleep. Ishijima and Tachibana talk over coffee.
* Ishijima pulls out a photo of a young girl. She identifies the girl as Remi Shiina, who she was close friends with in grade 9. She went missing, and Ishijima later heard from Remi's sister that Remi had been a magical girl. Early in her career, Ishijima was dedicated to investigating magical girls.
* Kazumi stays at Tachibana's shop over the next week. After several days pass, Kaoru drops off Michiru's diary with a letter to Kazumi in it.
o The diary contains Michiru's writings about her grandmother, how she met Yuuri Asuka before the Pleiades were formed (she broke up a fight between Yuuri and Kyouko at one point), the time she spent with the Pleiades, and finally her grief at having discovered the truth behind witches.
* Kaoru's letter informs Kazumi that the Pleiades (save for Kaoru, obviously) are planning to kill her, and urges her to run away.
* Kazumi and Tachibana have one last meal of strawberry risotto, and then Kazumi thanks him and leaves.
* Kazumi heads to the Freezer, and telepathically announces her location to the Pleiades. She says that she isn't going to run away, and demands that they come to the Freezer to end things (threatening to deactivate the Freezer and let the Soul Gems inside it hatch if they don't).

Diveman

2012-04-24, 22:21

oh shit!!!!! now we're getting to the good part...

1 more month, damn!!!!!!!!!

Witched

2012-04-27, 12:32

Oh snap.

Releasing the soul gems.. Egad.

They're probably going to all end up Witches, which would be insane..

Can't wait for the chapters to come out + How this'll end.

Diveman

2012-04-27, 14:09

You know, I really REALLY want a happy ending for all the girls, but this is Kazumi and it prob wont happen. I feel sorry for kazumi, she kinda doesnt deserve anything that has happened to her.

Witched

2012-04-27, 15:24

It's pretty brutal, mysterious (compared to the anime), and a bit more crazier. :heh:

If they had a happy ending, after all this... That'd be hard to accomplish.

Solace

2012-04-27, 18:23

It's hard to feel sympathy for most of them, given what they've done. Perhaps it's a bit ironic that the monsters in this story aren't the aliens or the witches.

deadsea

2012-04-27, 19:07

All girls turn into witches would be epic!!
i cant understand why kazumi want release them??
After all they cant revert the process Qb said that, it´s impossible !!

Also i wanna know more about Nicco.
http://blog-imgs-53.fc2.com/b/o/n/bond555/20120424175949805.jpg
http://blog-imgs-53.fc2.com/b/o/n/bond555/20120424175949bcd.jpg

Diveman

2012-04-27, 21:47

I think what Kazumi is trying to do, is just to call their attention so that they can fix their "personal issue" once and for all, and she's using the pretext of releasing the soul gems, because there's no way the girls will allow that.

Still, Kazumi didnt do anything wrong, she just died and became a witch. Even Satomi is a "victim", because she just snapped with the idea of becoming a witch, she just lost it (like Mami in the alternate world in madoka).

Nico is of couse hiding something, but we don't know what.

I think it would have worked if Airi hadnt struck that Evil seed inside kazumi's head. We still don't know the origin of Evil nuts, even though probably is QB himself (helped by nico maybe?)

Snork

2012-04-28, 14:11

I feel sorry for kazumi, she kinda doesnt deserve anything that has happened to her.

Which is common for almost everyone in MadoMagi franchise. :sad:

AuraTwilight

2012-04-28, 14:13

I'd scratch off the 'almost'. No one deserves being murdered by psycopathic magical monsters, BECOMING psychopathic magical monsters, being mindraped and soulraped, becoming zombies, or...

Snork

2012-04-28, 14:34

Well, I put "almost" to safebelt against people who might start raising Oriko topic. :heh: Despite the fact that she didn't quite deserve her fate either (and never deserved the circumstances that led her to contracting in the first place :sad: )

AuraTwilight

2012-04-29, 16:43

I'll just head off the entire possible argument by clarifying that in my personal beliefs, not even Hitler would deserve the fate of a Magical Girl. It's worse than anything HE did because atleast what he did to his victims ended with them dying. Puella Magi aren't even that lucky most of the time.

Diveman

2012-04-29, 22:12

Hitler was a magical girl, calling it now.

AuraTwilight

2012-04-30, 01:31

No, but Anne Frank was.

"I wish for the Jews to have their Israel."

"Done!" /Holocaust

Snork

2012-05-01, 03:52

Indeed, in case of famous female figures, guessing their wish may be a lot easier than with some H.N.Ellies. :heh:

Diveman

2012-05-04, 13:46

oh man, I just read ch15 and 16, and the face Kazumi does when she says "thanks for everything" is SO sad : (

pls dont let them fight in the next ch, someone!!

deadsea

2012-05-06, 11:26

I saw the last chapter, and I notice that nico is always with Jubey.
poor kazumi!!

novalysis

2012-05-07, 06:54

Actually, I seriously imagine that alot of what goes down in Kazumi Magica would horrify even Homura Akemi, had she ever learned of it.

The only happy ending in the Old system is that we see whether the Peldias Saints become one of Japan's most well led and co-ordinated Demon Hunting team uner the new system...

Diveman

2012-05-07, 08:51

But I'm afraid either Kazumi or some of the pleadies are not going to just "talk about it" in order to solve this and we're gonna see a fight between them (and I can see Kaoru teaming with Kazumi and maybe even dying in the process, and this sacrifice will press kazumi's berserk button and she'll end up killing everyone :( )

EDIT: 2 more days!

deadsea

2012-05-25, 11:02

Hi :D
some pics here!http://blog-imgs-53.fc2.com/b/o/n/bond555/20120525182139e81.jpghttp://blog-imgs-53.fc2.com/b/o/n/bond555/2012052520004969c.jpghttp://blog-imgs-53.fc2.com/b/o/n/bond555/20120525182140c0c.jpg
I want the raw so badly ;_;

Diveman

2012-05-25, 15:48

well, it looks like a fight is unavoidable and probably more than 1 girl is gonna die here.

=( looks like its gonna be a sad sad chapter

Nico arrives with the other Pleiades at the Freezer, in response to Kazumi's ultimatum. Kazumi begins to transform into a monster and engulfs the room in a barrier. Nico is struck with energy blasts almost immediately and incapacitated. As Umika, Mirai and Saki battle Kazumi, Kaoru realizes that she has not actually become a witch, and is simply creating an illusion to see if they really would kill her. Despite this, Mirai cleaves her in two. Surprisingly, Kazumi's corpse turns into one of Nico's faceless clones, as does the Nico that she incapacitated. The real Nico steps into view, with the real Kazumi safely stowed in her backpack. As Mirai asks her why she made such an elaborate setup, Nico points to Saki, whose Soul Gem is about to break open. Another Nico then appears next to Saki, creates an Evil Nut, and presses it into her forehead. The clone is vaporized as a beam of light shoots up around Saki. The remaining Nico says that it'd be troublesome if "you humans" killed Kazumi.

So basically, Nico created the Evil Nuts...DAMN girl!

Now Im really hyped

deadsea

2012-05-25, 20:46