Licensed Mirai Nikki (Series) [Archive] - Page 8

rafael1932

2012-03-26, 11:12

Kakera of Fate

2012-03-26, 11:18

Ai and Marco were already together when the diaries were handed out.

Ai developed a deeper bond with him because she was saved by him, along with everything that happened with Marco before in her past, that's why their diaries count as only one, because their combined goals included being together.

Only Yuno was obsessed about Yukiteru, Yukiteru was only an observer- he had no feelings for Yuno before all this started and that's why their diaries were separate. At least, that's how I interpret it, because love is probably the #1 reason for things to happen the way they do in anime/manga.

tl;dr: Ai's love for Marco was as true as Marco's love for Ai, yet only Yuno loved Yukiteru when this began.

DarkyPwnz

2012-03-26, 11:31

Okay:

. why yuki is saying please don’t hurt me because it is my 1 time – i know that he does not says that but it would not be out character

. why I have this feeling that yuno became the bad guy and therefore would be a good final to yuki to kill her ?
First he does not know how to fight – so it is pretty lame to him to win
Second, she is a copy like a clone or a twin sister. Does not make much sense for yuki to save yuno ( the one that got killed) after all they are the same. Killing the clone or the original are the same – same soul and body. The only reason was to stop the cycle and that it would be ok. I cross my fingers for yuno but I have a gut feeling that yuki is going to win and that just make me mad:mad::mad::mad:

The closest thing to that I know of is that Yuno asked Yuki to be gentle. On the inside she really is just a girl,she never asked for her twisted life or wanted to be a cold blooded murderer.

I'll throw a wild guess and say that Yuki will get rid of this Yuno,somehow bring back the second world's Yuno,who told her that she would marry her,and they're gonna end up together. Lets see,her "Help Me" sign should really mean something.

Flawfinder

2012-03-26, 11:36

Second, she is a copy like a clone or a twin sister. Does not make much sense for yuki to save yuno ( the one that got killed) after all they are the same.

No, they're not the same. If parallel world series have taught us anything, it's that while the basic characteristics are the same, the actual person is much different. Plus, Yuki was a little more confident in the first world.

DarkyPwnz

2012-03-26, 11:40

No, they're not the same. If parallel world series have taught us anything, it's that while the basic characteristics are the same, the actual person is much different. Plus, Yuki was a little more confident in the first world.

Yes,he was the one pointing the Revolver at Minene in the flashback. He was also apparently more aware of what's going around.

Seriously why couldn't we have first world as season one and this one as season 2? Just for the mystery effect? Well,for the record,in my opinion,Yukiteru in the first world is so much better of a character.

ookamigirl

2012-03-26, 13:48

Well... playing house with Yukiteru was not what Yuno expected at first.
Guess she just wanted to be with him and enjoy some normal couple time.
The black widow thing was kinda out of the blue, but not unexpected.
Murmur's explanation about the whole first-second world thing help a whole lot.
It really takes a special kind of monster to be able to kill herself in a different version of the world.

ars89

2012-03-26, 17:02

So Yuno found loop hole in that you can't bring back the dead but you can go bak in time. So Yuki can do the same thing and save his parents and friends somehow.

Sackett

2012-03-26, 17:02

It really takes a special kind of monster to be able to kill herself in a different version of the world.

This is why Yuno is The Queen of Yandere

Other Yandere kill their rivals for the sake of love?

Yuno kills herself for the sake of love.

Other Yandere kill their love because he chooses another girl over them.

Yuno kills her love because he continually insists on dying for her instead of living and becoming a God.

Then Yuno breaks the laws of time and space to relive a horrific and dangerous survival game to ensure her love survives - even risking that her love might not love her again - all so that her love can live.

Fortunately each time he falls in love with her again, allowing her to have one day of joy before the world ends.

Unfortunately each time he falls in love with her again, leading him to refuse to kill her and dying for her instead.

Thus Yuno is trapped in an endless loop of grief and pain - but she endures it because her love is true.

Ultimate Yandere

ULTIMATE

PS: Note this is why Yuno is classified as an obsessive type Yandere and not the possessive type Yandere. Despite the obsessive type usually being less insane and dangerous then the possessive type, Yuno manages to up the crazy level of an obsessive Yandere to danger levels beyond even that of a possessive type.

thundrakkon

2012-03-26, 17:34

She is not trying to kill him per se, I think she wants to do another cycle and try to correct some of her mistakes. Not sure how she wants to do things differently, so that this time Yukki wont want a double suicide, but would want to become the god. Maybe she thinks that eliminating Akise would solve the problem, because in the end he was the one who slipped the info to Yukki.

This seems plausible.

I think Murmur stated her motivation quite clearly. She wants to take over Deuses position as God. So she sends Yukki against Yuno in the hopes that they will mortally wound each other and die, leaving Murmur the last one standing.

Although she may have stated that, the game is set up in order for one of the diary owners to win. Unless they die at the exact same time, one of them will be a winner. Also, what is the purpose of winning a dead world? Will the winner just create a world of souless people? Btw, what is Murmur in the first place? Deus mentioned that she should not be able to do some of things she is doing.

It will be difficult for both Yuki and Yuno to mortally wound each other, unless Murmur kills them. Then again, if she wanted to, she would have easily killed them if that is the requirement to become god. She does not need to play these games.

I did wonder why there was not a trace of Minene after the explotion, but then didnt want to overthink it.

Minene did not leave any body parts due to the same reason none of the other diary owners leave any trace of themselves. When they die or when their diary is destroyed, their whole being is warped away.

However, I do expect Minene to make some sort of return, especially when Murmur and Minene have the same colored eyes.

Didnt Deus understand that Murmur wants to take over for him? I think he did it to ruin her plans. Either that, OR whatever he did with Minene weakened him.

Then it still goes back to why must the world end on July 28 for Murmur to be successful? The only thing we know so far is that July 28 is supposed to be "Happy End" for Yuno. Yuki also completely loves her at that point, but Murmur tells him Yuno's dirty little secret. Nothing makes sense at this point.

I bet there is some solution. Remember that Yukki has the power to change the future. He has done so a few times before and even Deus aknowledge this ability.

If you think back to the closing scene of episode 23, dying Yuno heard Yukkis desperate voice ..... and obviously, she shouldnt be able to, because this was just a projection from the past. And Murmur was hell of surprised why she can hear him. So Yukki is already doing it, he is changing the future.

My take is, he will become God and in some way he will be able to save the people he loves.

The only way I can think he can fix things is that he pushes everything back in time, and then alters the fate of each diary owner or alters the fate of the world. However, then there is still the problem of Deus dying again needing a replacement. Although, he could volunteer himself at that point, living his life in solitude with all that was his original world lost.

rafael1932

2012-03-26, 17:44

The closest thing to that I know of is that Yuno asked Yuki to be gentle. On the inside she really is just a girl,she never asked for her twisted life or wanted to be a cold blooded murderer.

It was a joke. I, among other people, always called yuki ( guy) a coward. So, despite he is a man, he is coward enough that if he said something similar to a girl would say – in this case what yuno said - it would still fit his character. I may be wrong but I think that yuki said something like don’t see to yuno when they were both in water and even yuno said hey that is what I should say – ok perhaps I just imagined this.

No, they're not the same. If parallel world series have taught us anything, it's that while the basic characteristics are the same, the actual person is much different. Plus, Yuki was a little more confident in the first world.

i did not read that so you are probably right. i just hope that yuki does not win because he has no fighting skills whatsoever - unless she kills herself but her current idea is better

Dengar

2012-03-26, 17:59

Why are people thinking that Yuno wants Yuki to live? It's way more easy to just kill him and start over with a new Yuki. At least that's the impression I got.

Sackett

2012-03-26, 19:16

Her ultimate goal is to get Yukki to live.

Now maybe she's decided that the best way to do that is to kill Yukki II and start over with Yukki III, but ultimately her goal is for Yukki to live and become God - while loving her of course. That's the problem, her goal of Yukki living, and Yukki loving her are conflicting.

Dengar

2012-03-26, 19:24

What are you basing this on?

Sackett

2012-03-26, 20:31

???

Yuno's several declarations that she's willing to die so Yukki can become God, followed by her disappointment that once again Yukki refuses to kill her and suggests a double suicide.

Flawfinder

2012-03-26, 20:32

Yes,he was the one pointing the Revolver at Minene in the flashback. He was also apparently more aware of what's going around.

Seriously why couldn't we have first world as season one and this one as season 2? Just for the mystery effect? Well,for the record,in my opinion,Yukiteru in the first world is so much better of a character.

I think it's obvious that it's Yuno's fault he turned out the way he did in this world, so blame her. It's clear that she didn't act this psychotic the first time the two went through the game and if she hadn't babied him so much, he would have turned out badass quicker. But no, she tries to protect him and thinks that his being a little bitch is fine as long as he's alive.

Rungelunge

2012-03-26, 21:21

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:D:D

Sumeragi

2012-03-26, 21:24

Damn you, I was going to post that!

Oh well, since I already got it in the Laugh a Day thread.

MasterVampire

2012-03-26, 22:09

lol at the video

I hope the Blurays have a longer uncensored sex scene between them

warita

2012-03-27, 02:13

What are you basing this on?

Now I have my moments of not paying attention, but I find it interesting how many people failed to pick up on Yunos real intentions.

She specifically said she wants Yukki to kill her. She said that after pulling out the axe for the first time.
Then Yukki said he cant do that, because he could not bring her back and in such a case, he prefers to die together with Yuno.

Yuno made a sour face and said with a tired voice: oh, it will be like that again (= direct hint on the fact that this is the second time she has to go through this situation). And it was precisely in that moment, that she realized things have gone down the wrong route again, that she needs to start all over again and this time make sure Yukki doesnt find out about the catch with becoming the God and thats why she tried killing him.

And frankly, I dont blame her. I am not sure I could kill the person I love... probably not, but hey she killed her own self, so she has practise.

On a side note, Yuno1 is not different to Yuno2. They are not alternative universe Yunos, they are from the same universe and the same timeline. Yuno traveled to the past, not to a different dimension. What confuses you is, that things happened differently in world1, however, thats due to different decisions Yuno and others took. But it is different decisions taken by the same people. Hence, Yuno2 is the same person as Yuno1 who promised to get married to Yuki. She has the memories of doing that, it happened to her just like it happened to Yuno1, the difference between the two Yunos is, that one has a few months extra of experience from the future.

Dengar

2012-03-27, 02:47

I got the impression that she was lying. And she was pissed at Yuki for turning into such a chicken wuss the second time around as well. To me it always seemed like she had the intention to repeat the cycle infinitely because she 'can always find a new Yuki'.

Anyway, the two Yunos are different. One went through a year of hell, the other didn't. Yet.

warita

2012-03-27, 03:15

Anyway, the two Yunos are different. One went through a year of hell, the other didn't. Yet.

OK, I accept that point of view.... and I say that only Yukki can come to the conclusion that the one worth saving is the Yuno, who didnt do anything for him yet other than stalking and not the Yuno who went through a year of hell for him.

But hey, out of the window with the logic....

Dengar

2012-03-27, 03:18

You mean he didn't want to save the one who repeatedly tried to kill his friends and actually succeeded in making him kill them himself? Gee, how unfar is that? /sarcasm

KoiYuki

2012-03-27, 03:33

Because for whatever reason their diaries only count as one while Yuno and Yuki's count as two. Frankly it seemed pretty stupid from the start since even if the diaries focus on each other they are still two separate diaries and thus should have made them two separate competitors. The whole logic seemed pretty flimsy, but Deus is god so he can do whatever the heck he wants I suppose.
I can't remember if they were both literally 7th, but.. maybe only his diary was really a Future Diary and hers was an apprentice diary..? I'm probably wrong there, but hey, I'll just say it because it makes more sense.

Anyway, I thought of something odd I strangely didn't really think about before.. If Yuno is from the first world, why didn't she let her second world self live and play the game, then kill her off and let Yukki win? All the while also helping Yukki survive. I know there's issues with that too, but I'm just wondering why she didn't try to work that out or something so they could both live.

Dengar

2012-03-27, 03:59

That can't be right. They cut reception and all clients to the propagation diary were disabled, but both of the 7th diaries still worked.

They, together, were the 7th. They were selected to be the 7th, together. 1st and 2nd were selected separately, that's all there is to it.

DarkyPwnz

2012-03-27, 09:34

Why can't Yuno just kill herself if she wants Yukiteru to be the God so badly?

On a second thought... Nah just slice him into tiny pieces. Maybe the 3rd world's Yukiteru is a man!

Edit:

So Yuno found loop hole in that you can't bring back the dead but you can go bak in time. So Yuki can do the same thing and save his parents and friends somehow.

But Yukiteru of the second world was babied by Yuno so much that he wouldn't stand a chance if he were to go back in time after being the God. He just isn't that awesome.

miketyson

2012-03-27, 10:19

We're far enough along now that I can finally comment on something I've been dying to put out there without spoiling anything or anyone. Just to be safe I'll put it in spoilers, but as of this episode it's not touching on any material you guys haven't seen:

I'll cut right to the chase: I think you can make a pretty good case that when Mirai Nikki was first being written, the author had originally planned (1) to have Yuno's "jumping back in time to kill herself" happen sometime *after* the manga's story had started -- not a year before the story began, but midway through -- started up and (more speculatively) (2) have had multiple "Yuno jumped back to replace herself (again)" events happen over the course of the story.

And, specifically, I think the original idea behind that giant hole at Yuno's house was that it was a "crater" made when Yuno had jumped back to replace herself (sometime after Yukiteru had been there for the first time but before they went on their wedding-date). Not sure if it was thought of as the original "replacement event" or just one of many...but it's about the right size and shape to have been made by one of those "black spheres of reality-collapse", after all. Additionally, a lot of the way the early manga is written doesn't really make sense with Yuno being on "round 2" (even accounting for a mix of bad writing, character development, and Yuno having to "play dumb", it still doesn't quite fit).

It makes an interesting exercise to read the early chapters with this theory in mind, even if that's not the story the author wound up going with. And anyways, I'm putting this out there for your consideration, in case you find it interesting. Enjoy the last few episodes, it should continue to be a wild ride until the very end.

Flawfinder

2012-03-27, 11:12

Why can't Yuno just kill herself if she wants Yukiteru to be the God so badly?

On a second thought... Nah just slice him into tiny pieces. Maybe the 3rd world's Yukiteru is a man!

Considering it was Yuno's fault that he wasn't a man in this world, I don't think the chances of him growing up in a 3rd world done by the same Yuno is going to help.

DarkyPwnz

2012-03-27, 12:35

Considering it was Yuno's fault that he wasn't a man in this world, I don't think the chances of him growing up in a 3rd world done by the same Yuno is going to help.

Hmm. She could avoid Yukiteru all together,kill all the others while secretly protecting him then commit suicide.

(But man that's one cheap way to become the God)

warita

2012-03-27, 12:52

You mean he didn't want to save the one who repeatedly tried to kill his friends and actually succeeded in making him kill them himself? Gee, how unfar is that? /sarcasm

But the dying Yuno would do the very same thing, if given the chance to live, so where is the difference.

I feel sorry for dying Yuno.... but frankly, I feel even more sorry for Yuno2, because I see how desperation messed her up. And she is doing it all for him. Maybe her reasons arent quite correct from an objective point of view, but Yuno is unstable mentally and probably doesnt realize how twisted her thinking is. Either way, she wants the best for Yukki and the fact she couldnt save him just messed her even more up than she was before. She deserves to be saved more in my opinion.

EDIT: thinking about it right now.... I suddenly realized that if he manages to save Yuno1 from getting slaughtered AND manages to successfully alter the future in such a manner, that the existance of Yuno2 is not needed, because Yuno1 wont have to travel back in time to save Yukki, then Yuno2 should stop existing.

Or am I overthinking it too much?

DarkyPwnz

2012-03-27, 13:16

I think at this point we should be more concerned about how Yuno could hear Yukiteru's voice.

miketyson

2012-03-27, 13:23

warita

2012-03-27, 13:34

I think the way Yuno's meddling turning Yukiteru into a wuss is one of the major thematic elements, actually. She couldn't directly revive him -- implied she could just puppet his body, iirc -- and even as the new god of time and space and going to all this trouble the end result is the same: she can't bring back the original, manly Yukiteru -- the one she was in love with -- and even with all of her meddling she only manages to "creates" a pale imitation of *that* Yukiteru. Or something along those lines.

Well, if the closing scene of the last episode is anything to go by, he finally really manned up. I mean, not just something Yuno pushed him into, but it comes from deep inside of him.

Lets see what will happen next episode.

Dengar

2012-03-27, 14:41

I think at this point we should be more concerned about how Yuno could hear Yukiteru's voice.

I blame it on Yuki's ability to make impossible things happen.

I feel sorry for dying Yuno.... but frankly, I feel even more sorry for Yuno2, because I see how desperation messed her up. And she is doing it all for him. Maybe her reasons arent quite correct from an objective point of view, but Yuno is unstable mentally and probably doesnt realize how twisted her thinking is. Either way, she wants the best for Yukki and the fact she couldnt save him just messed her even more up than she was before. She deserves to be saved more in my opinion.

This is an easy mistake to make, so let me explain this, but the one that died is the second Yuno. The one who did the killing was the first Yuno. Inversely, the main character of this story is the second Yuki.

The reason to want to save the second Yuno is because she isn't ax crazy insane, and has potential for living a normal life. She hasn't killed anyone, whereas Yuno1's innocent kill count is off the charts.

willyvereb

2012-03-27, 16:52

This is an easy mistake to make, so let me explain this, but the one that died is the second Yuno. The one who did the killing was the first Yuno. Inversely, the main character of this story is the second Yuki.

The reason to want to save the second Yuno is because she isn't ax crazy insane, and has potential for living a normal life. She hasn't killed anyone, whereas Yuno1's innocent kill count is off the charts.Well, isn't that more like giving up for an easier resolution?

I mean your suggestion would essentially forsake 1st world Yuno who went through literal hell to be with Yukki while hoping the 2nd world Yuno can avoid turning into such a wacko.

That's cruel. Especially if you consider that it involves killing the Yuno who's currently alive.

Not to mention it would go against Yukki's tendency to "do the impossible".

P.S.: I'm going to proclaim this again, just for safety. Like the last time (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=4016099#post4016099) about Yuno (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=4016404#post4016404), I don't plan to reveal any future events. S you won't find even subtle spoilers in my posts. I strictly use the anime to build up my reasoning. It's no fun to discuss in any other way.

warita

2012-03-27, 16:58

Arya

2012-03-28, 03:50

Watched the episode. So it is confirmed that Yuno won and came back to "save" Yuki.
I have mixed feelings about this episode because clearly Yuki didn't deserve what he got :heh:
And plus he became all shocked for the killing of Yuno2 by Yuno. I mean, at least a bit of gratitude. They spent a lot of time together, she saved his ass many times and she gave herself to him. He supposed to be in love with her. But he is not.

Anyway, putting aside my bias, I was thinking, if Yuno leapt back to the past and killed herself, well it would cause a paradox. I mean, if it were the same timeline killing yourself would break the chain of events that leaded to the Romeo and Juliet epilogue at the end of the first round.
So it would be more plausible that this is another timeline where Yuno2 is not truly the Yuno of the first world. And, in case Yuki were able to "restart" this timeline, this would lead to an unknown ending.
mmm, probably I need to think more about this. Because so far the more logic and satisfying ending would be to restart the game looking for a better Yuki.

warita

2012-03-28, 04:28

Anyway, putting aside my bias, I was thinking, if Yuno leapt back to the past and killed herself, well it would cause a paradox. I mean, if it were the same timeline killing yourself would break the chain of events that leaded to the Romeo and Juliet epilogue at the end of the first round.

Actually, you are right. If she kills helrself, she should cease to exist alltogether, because the only reason why she traveled back in time was to correct her mistake and save Yukki, but if she kills the self that played the first game, then she should stop existing herself.

Good observation. Its kindo the same as what I had in mind, when I said that if Yukki manages to save the dying Yuno, the killing Yuno should stop existing too.

But obviously that paradox is not gonna happen, since Yuno successfully killed her younger self and didnt stop existing.

We shouldnt think about it too much, otherwise it spoils the fun. This anime never did bother with details, now did it?

mechalord

2012-03-28, 05:36

the paradox is explained... over is over.

Once a timeline ends, it's archived. Everything gets a reboot. Yuno #1 left her timeline to become destroyed and a second timeline took its place with another version of her. She can exist in it as a copy, though.

She doesn't have a place to go.

I think the way Yuno's meddling turning Yukiteru into a wuss is one of the major thematic elements, actually. She couldn't directly revive him -- implied she could just puppet his body, iirc -- and even as the new god of time and space and going to all this trouble the end result is the same: she can't bring back the original, manly Yukiteru -- the one she was in love with -- and even with all of her meddling she only manages to "creates" a pale imitation of *that* Yukiteru. Or something along those lines.

Yuno was more vulnerable and a whole lot weaker the first time she played the game. This forced Yuki to step up to protect her.

Second time, Yuki never had a reason to man up since Yuno was doing all the heavy lifting from the start. That's what I'd assume.

willyvereb

2012-03-28, 06:58

Mirai Nikki is obviously using the popularized version of the Many-worlds interpretation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation#Time_travel).
Basically, every single action produces countless alternate universes.

So if you travel back in time and kill your younger self then it would only trigger a different parallel world.
MWI essentially frees the world of any time paradoxes.

Yuno's time travel triggered the creation of a parallel universe while also condemned the previous world to die without its God.
Then she killed Yuno from the so-called "second world" (that was produced because of the other Yuno's actions). Save for the extra memories Yuno1 is no different from Yuno2. Yet they're considered to be separate beings. So killing Yuno2 had no consequence in Yuno1's existence.

Dengar

2012-03-28, 07:44

I mean your suggestion would essentially forsake 1st world Yuno who went through literal hell to be with Yukki while hoping the 2nd world Yuno can avoid turning into such a wacko.

That's cruel. Especially if you consider that it involves killing the Yuno who's currently alive.

Wait wait, killing a complete psycho who kills innocent people almost indiscriminately is cruel, and killing an innocent girl isn't? Where is your morality?

willyvereb

2012-03-28, 08:23

Wait wait, killing a complete psycho who kills innocent people almost indiscriminately is cruel, and killing an innocent girl isn't? Where is your morality?There's no universal rule for human behavior. Neither laws that work in any situation.

Mirai Nikki is an insane world where people are killing each other for the universe's survival.

Do you think standard morality is even applicable there?

Unless there's someone who experienced the same situation as Yuno, I don't think we have any right to judge her. That's just mere hypocrisy.

It's even more ironic if we use your reasoning with morality. You claim to condemn murder yet you apparently wish to see Yuno1 dead. I'm inclined to ask: "On what grounds does one life weight less than another?"

Yuno of the 2nd world is dead. She was killed since the beginning of the series.

On the other hand Yuno1 is alive.

Your scenario suggest that Yuno1 should be killed then Yukki can attempt to "resurrect" Yuno2. Yeah, and that action magically washes away the sin of Yuno1's murder...

Except it doesn't.

I won't say that Yuno's actions are "right". I only tell you that the difference between "good" and "evil" is a rather subjective matter. It's easy to tell in normal situations and nigh-impossible to decide in extreme cases like this one.

You were basically trying to apply laws to a lawless world. Well, I can tell you that won't work.

Dengar

2012-03-28, 10:12

That same logic would apply to calling the killing of Yuno1 "cruel".

Besides, I never claimed that Yuno1 should be killed. At least I don't think I did, I will admit I'm kind of losing track of what this debate was originally about.

Flawfinder

2012-03-28, 10:54

As many people have said, yes, the time theory is explained. It's not so much time travel as going to a parallel world, so therefore, what you do in one world doesn't affect another world. There was a more official explanation when Akise met Deus, but it wasn't included in the anime.

totoum

2012-03-28, 11:26

Random OST trivia I'm likely the only one to care about but I'll share it anyway.

Looks like Mirai Nikki's composer uses the same loops as Ali Project:
The melody heard here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHz9kgEg-xg&t=0m22s) is the same as this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LVgNWWKk0c)
There's also one of the loops here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHz9kgEg-xg&t=0m54s) that can be heard in the backround here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LVgNWWKk0c&t=1m31s)

It's just weird hearing a couple loops I'm familiar with from a song in another one , definatly like what Mirai Nikki does with them more than Ali Project.

Malkuth

2012-03-28, 12:01

Wait wait, killing a complete psycho who kills innocent people almost indiscriminately is cruel, and killing an innocent girl isn't? Where is your morality?

You are confusing sympathy with justice. Murder is murder, independent of the victim. Usually* a crime is judged by the motivation of the perpetrator and occasionally the relationship with the victim, not the life of victim :uhoh:

* Usually, because morality changes with time and location ;)

kk2extreme

2012-03-28, 15:02

According to futurama: Time paradox is always doomed

So the second world Yuno would be dead one way or the other

Dengar

2012-03-28, 15:12

No she wouldn't. We just said that time travel causes a parallel universe to exist, so there's no such thing as a time paradox. The Yuno that got killed was a different Yuno.

Dengar

2012-03-28, 15:15

You are confusing sympathy with justice. Murder is murder, independent of the victim. Usually* a crime is judged by the motivation of the perpetrator and occasionally the relationship with the victim, not the life of victim :uhoh:

* Usually, because morality changes with time and location ;)

Just so you know, I hate killing people for "justice". I'm not confusing anything with anything. I'm just asking why killing one of them is cruel, whereas killing the other one isn't, even though the one that ACTUALLY got killed never even so much as hurt a fly.

thundrakkon

2012-03-28, 15:26

This goes back to the theory of killings histories most atrocious individuals if you had the chance. If you had the chance to kill Hitler before he committed all those crimes, would it be the right thing to do, and should you do it? Or do you let him continue along his path to commit those crimes?

In a way, killing Yuno 2 would prevent her from eventually killing all the other people, which she would have eventually done anyway at the current path she was in.

ChainLegacy

2012-03-28, 16:08

Damn, I'm shielding my eyes from the posts cuz I'm still only at episode 13 but this is a fantastic series. Wish it had a subforum so I could post in the episode threads as I'm getting caught up, but oh well. The plot twist with 4th was great.

warita

2012-03-28, 16:31

even though the one that ACTUALLY got killed never even so much as hurt a fly.

Nevertheless if she was allowed to live, she would hurt a lot of flies... and humans too. So if we are gonna judge Yunos worthiness to live based on how many people she can potentially kill, lets have a look at what can expect from her and we know that, because the other Yuno has shown us.
Its like somebody said in this thread, the only difference between the two Yunos are the extra memories.

Also... the killer Yuno killed people, sure..... but I would say the circumstances pushed her to that. Maybe you and me wouldnt do the things she did, but she wasnt OK mentally even prior to the game. Dont forget what kind of treatment she got at home. She snapped and I dont blame her.

Dengar

2012-03-28, 16:44

Nevertheless if she was allowed to live, she would hurt a lot of flies... and humans too. So if we are gonna judge Yunos worthiness to live based on how many people she can potentially kill, lets have a look at what can expect from her and we know that, because the other Yuno has shown us.
Its like somebody said in this thread, the only difference between the two Yunos are the extra memories.

Also... the killer Yuno killed people, sure..... but I would say the circumstances pushed her to that. Maybe you and me wouldnt do the things she did, but she wasnt OK mentally even prior to the game. Dont forget what kind of treatment she got at home. She snapped and I dont blame her.

Uhhh... We don't really know what Yuno was like in the first world. There is absolutely no guarantee that the second Yuno would've committed those crimes.

Besides, Yuno 1 replaced her and did even more killing killing killing.

How is this an improvement?

warita

2012-03-28, 16:47

Uhhh... We don't really know what Yuno was like in the first world. There is absolutely no guarantee that the second Yuno would've committed those crimes.

Besides, Yuno 1 replaced her and did even more killing killing killing.

How is this an improvement?
Except the Yuno who killed is the continuation of the first Yuno who died. Which means she lived in BOTH worlds, played both games and is just an older self of the Yuno she killed.

Ok, I am tired of arguing about this, it is silly.

Next episode please!! I am curious what Yukki will make out of this seeming dilema, although I fear I know. He is continuously not making the decisions I would want him to.

mochichan

2012-03-28, 16:53

Yukki piss me off so much in this anime I just wish he die but I know he won't.....
Seriously hope they change his character a little bit more in the live action.

Dengar

2012-03-28, 17:04

Except the Yuno who killed is the continuation of the first Yuno who died. Which means she lived in BOTH worlds, played both games and is just an older self of the Yuno she killed.

Like I said, we don't know what happened the first time around, maybe Yuno was more of a cute stalker back then rather than a psycho killer. Also this is an alternate world, so things could've happened differently.

Flawfinder

2012-03-28, 18:01

Yukki piss me off so much in this anime I just wish he die but I know he won't.....
Seriously hope they change his character a little bit more in the live action.

Like I always say, blame Yuno. It was her fault he turned out the way he did.

The Butcher

2012-03-28, 19:10

I'd never thought I'd see the day where a female character would enter into my top 20 favorite characters in fiction. A teenage girl to add to that(Which was even less of a chance) :twitch:.

Let alone, almost come to my top 10(Yuno is probably around 11-13).

Shit, Yuno is just that damn awesome.

KoiYuki

2012-03-28, 23:22

Just so you know, I hate killing people for "justice". I'm not confusing anything with anything. I'm just asking why killing one of them is cruel, whereas killing the other one isn't, even though the one that ACTUALLY got killed never even so much as hurt a fly.
...She killed her parents already at that point.

I'd never thought I'd see the day where a female character would enter into my top 20 favorite characters in fiction.
I.. hope that's not meant in a sexist way. :heh:

thundrakkon

2012-03-29, 00:40

Which leaves me with an interesting thought. What if Yuki wins and travels back to the point before Yuno killed her parents? At that point, he can call the police and have the parents arrested.

Yuno would never end up killing her parents and going psycho. Of course, it means that Yuno does not end up liking Yuki either. It would also drastically change the result of the Mirai Nikki games.

Malkuth

2012-03-29, 00:47

Yuno did not go psycho because she killed her parents, but rather because they abused her for years :uhoh:

thundrakkon

2012-03-29, 01:00

Although they abused her for years, what pushed her over was at the point she killed them. It was a turning point in her life, and meeting up with Yuki at that point consequently followed. If they broke that cycle, the results would be drastically different.

Dengar

2012-03-29, 02:29

...She killed her parents already at that point.

No she didn't. O_o Her parents were killed by the first Yuno (again). Or did the anime actually change things here? *is still waiting for the sub of this episode*

TheEroKing

2012-03-29, 02:33

You need to re-watch it properly. Even without subs you can see the second world Yuno is the one who killed her own parents, just like in the manga. First world Yuno upon arrival killed second world Yuno.

Dengar

2012-03-29, 02:37

I mean I haven't actually watched the episode yet because I dunno Japanese. I base this on my (apparently flawed) recollection of the manga.

That still doesn't guarantee that things would have gone the same way. But I think I'm going to drop that part of the matter for now.

Lets suppose that things would've panned out the same way. Why would you choose the first one over the second one, when they are in fact, exactly the same?

warita

2012-03-29, 06:47

Lets suppose that things would've panned out the same way. Why would you choose the first one over the second one, when they are in fact, exactly the same?

Because she went through hell for Yukki. Sheer desperation and determination to save him pushed her into it. She is messed up, but it isnt quite her fault considering the circumstances.

Which leaves me with an interesting thought. What if Yuki wins and travels back to the point before Yuno killed her parents? At that point, he can call the police and have the parents arrested.

Yuno would never end up killing her parents and going psycho. Of course, it means that Yuno does not end up liking Yuki either. It would also drastically change the result of the Mirai Nikki games.
Thundrakkon, that is indeed an interesting thought. Especially because we dont understand why Deus chose the people he chose.
It has been mentioned in this thread before, that Deus chose some really weird individuals as his possible successors. One would expect Deus to choose stable individuals with a high sense of morality and the desire to change the world for the better, but this is our own idealistic wishful thinking here.
Obviously, Deus chose the participants on a different basis. It would seem that the winner of the game is supposed to change the world and motivation plays an important part in it too. Each character has gone through some personal hell: 6th has been raped and abused, 9th lost her parents and had to fight for her life. 5th was a misunderstood child in a falling apart family. 4th was a detective who saw many ugly things in his line of work. Yuno had her own "skelletons" in the basement (double meaning intended). But why did he chose Yukki? Was it because Yukki had to witness the divorce of his parents (something that is becoming a common reality for many children these days?), or because he is an outsider in a society in which social isolation is an increasing problem? Or was it because Yukki is Deuses friend and because Deus saw the potential in Yukki from the start and actually wanted Yukki to be his successor?

We dont know why Yukki was chosen and I bet there is some reason for it. What if Yukki travels to the past and changes that one aspect? Would Deus still choose him to participate in the game?
Now, I dont think this is gonna happen. I mean, it is more likely that Yukkis ability to change future and the motivation to save Yuno (in one way or another) will trigger the necessary skill to become the God of time and space.... and well, lets just see what happens.

monsta666

2012-03-29, 07:01

We dont know why Yukki was chosen and I bet there is some reason for it. What if Yukki travels to the past and changes that one aspect? Would Deus still choose him to participate in the game?
Now, I dont think this is gonna happen. I mean, it is more likely that Yukkis ability to change future and the motivation to save Yuno (in one way or another) will trigger the necessary skill to become the God of time and space.... and well, lets just see what happens.
Maybe Yukki was chosen on the basis that he motivates Yuno to act; after all a lot of her thinking and actions revolve around him in some way. Without him, much of the the events in the series would not happen. Perhaps Deus recognises this, although I would say Yuno is a little too unstable to make any well defined plans. Still, the point remains that people may not be solely chosen on the basis of their background but also on the effect they may have on other diary players which could have profound effects on the final outcome of the game and world. I think the relationships between characters is also another factor to consider when thinking why a diary player is chosen.

DarkyPwnz

2012-03-29, 07:17

Sackett

2012-03-29, 07:42

Two questions:

1- Why didn't Yuno 2 see a Dead End sign?
2- Why did Yuno 2's diary (which read Amano-kun instead of Yukkii) keep working after she died?

The second question is especially important since;

If two Yuno's are different and that's why killing Yuno 2 didn't cause a paradox,then they are seperate entities.

In which case,Yuno 1's presence shouldn't make Yuno 2's diary work.

If it is the other way around and they are the exact same person,then Yuno 1 is supposed to disappear. (I am against all Yuno disappearing through,save the Yuno's for an awesome future)

Just some food for thought.

Because the survival game hadn't started yet.

The "Amano-kun" diary was Yuno 1's diary from the first survival game-no longer linked to her life because the game ended with her as a winner. Then, after killing Yuno 2 the game started again and Yuno was again selected. This time her diary was a Yukki diary. Signifying that she was much closer to Yukki now than the first time through.

DarkyPwnz

2012-03-29, 07:44

So you're saying that both diaries were Yuno 1's,and that she didn't take Yuno 2's diary? Hmm,now that I think of it,that makes sense. I always thought that Yuno 1 killed Yuno 2 after the game had started and took her diary.

warita

2012-03-29, 09:05

Because the survival game hadn't started yet.

The "Amano-kun" diary was Yuno 1's diary from the first survival game-no longer linked to her life because the game ended with her as a winner. Then, after killing Yuno 2 the game started again and Yuno was again selected. This time her diary was a Yukki diary. Signifying that she was much closer to Yukki now than the first time through.

This makes very much sense. In fact, why didnt I think of this?

thundrakkon

2012-03-29, 18:44

But why did he chose Yukki? Was it because Yukki had to witness the divorce of his parents (something that is becoming a common reality for many children these days?), or because he is an outsider in a society in which social isolation is an increasing problem? Or was it because Yukki is Deuses friend and because Deus saw the potential in Yukki from the start and actually wanted Yukki to be his successor?

We dont know why Yukki was chosen and I bet there is some reason for it. What if Yukki travels to the past and changes that one aspect? Would Deus still choose him to participate in the game?
Now, I dont think this is gonna happen. I mean, it is more likely that Yukkis ability to change future and the motivation to save Yuno (in one way or another) will trigger the necessary skill to become the God of time and space.... and well, lets just see what happens.

I think Yuki's issue has always been that he is an outcast and isolationist. He blocks off everyone in the world, anti-social, and is a coward. However, unlike everyone else, he has no motivation to win. His only motivation at first was to survive due to his fear of death.

Now, if the reason turns out to be that he has some supernatural powers, then I think that is a bit of a cop-out. If you are going to show more supernatural powers besides the phones, then you should have shown it earlier and with more consistency than throwing it in the end to justify the story.

Yes, Yuno became a huge factor for Yuki in the end, so changing Yuno's fate would very well change everything. It might even make it so the Mirai Nikki competitions do not exist in the first place. We still don't know why Deus is dying.

Flawfinder

2012-03-29, 19:51

You also have to remember that Yuki is considered to be a perfect choice for God because he doesn't interfere with people and is basically an outsider. Which is pretty much what God is.

ChainLegacy

2012-03-29, 21:37

It's ambiguous if this is an exact copy of the other world, with the only differences being ones time-traveling (or perhaps more accurately, dimensional traveling) Yuno made, or if this is a parallel world with other differences. If the latter, then perhaps the Yuno who was killed (I propose a new term for this phenomenon - chronocide lol) would not have been so psycho. But from my original understanding I thought the world was identical, so it doesn't really make much sense for Yukki to be lamenting about the Yuno-2 dying... she would've betrayed him just like Yuno 1 and tried to become god.

Soul Strike

2012-03-29, 22:33

DRAGUN H.E.X.

2012-03-29, 23:20

oh god the sex scene, that folks is how Inori from Guilty Crown was born :uhoh::heh:

KoiYuki

2012-03-30, 00:01

I don't get the whole surprised Yuki can change the past/future thing. Re-watch the first 40 seconds of ep 1. It's all there from the start including dying Yuno2 calling for help. Also I'm fairly sure I remember seeing the help me written in blood shown in a previous ep just don't know which one.
It's actually there on the wall just as he's pushed into the flashback.. thing. It was kinda in the background behind Murmur, but I'm pretty sure I did see it.. So yeah, it was already there. She honestly was probably hallucinating him or something, and he just happened to have reacted at the same time.

Dengar

2012-03-30, 04:35

Nah, her actually having heard Yuki makes sense considering the impossible abilities he's been exhibiting before. Such as surviving despite dead end flags having been set on multiple occasions. Not to mention looking into a room he was never supposed to look into, which caused the future to change drastically. In fact, none of the current events would have happened if Yuki did not look into that room that day.

And yes, the reason Yuno has two diaries is because she received it twice. The second Deus gave it to her without realising that this Yuno was from a different world.

Because she went through hell for Yukki. Sheer desperation and determination to save him pushed her into it. She is messed up, but it isnt quite her fault considering the circumstances.

I disagree. I believe that Yuno didn't do it for Yuki, but to be with Yuki. The two things are fundamentally different. And the reason she's trying to kill Yuki now is because she needs to become God again and be with yet another Yuki. So she doesn't care about the person, she only cares about being with Yuki, no matter which one it is.

...On a side note, did Murmur just spawn a band-aid on her forehead?

Arya

2012-03-30, 07:17

Surely, from a moral point of view, I can see how our Yuno could be seen as despicable. Not for the many killing per se, but for the way she killed: cold blood, no moral limits, no limits at all. And yes, she is a psycho, better, she is a yandere. Letting aside that this is a great difference in my book, being a yandere instead of a psycho bitch, her status of mind was not her peculiarity from the very beginning. Her parents made her snap before her first encounter with Yuki, in both timelines, and then the meeting with Yuki turned her into a yandere. I don't know if this step happened even in the first time.
So technically it is not her fault if Yuki is a crybaby/coward, even if she seconded Yuki's character. :) And the settings matter. family issues, Last man standing game and collapsing world.
But obviously I'm biased because I symphatize with Yuno (like I did before with Okabe or Akemi).To me they are similar, Yuno->Yuki, Okabe->tutturu Mayuri, Akemi- Madoka.

Neither I got the two phones thing. I thought that the second Yuno had already had her phone when our Yuno slashed her.

Speaking of Yuki, surely he is the only one among all the players who wasn't carved by bad experiences along his life, and he is the one whom DeM bet on, firstly for a similarity in their behaviors, secondly probably (surely?) for his "power".
But if it is true that DeM, as I read here, didn't notice that Yuno was not the current Yuno, well that a bit odd. As if DeM didn't chose himself all the players. Surely he didn't go through a jury selection procedure like. And he didn't choose Eleventh, on the contrary he stooped to compromises with a human, not so god-like.
I really don't know what to do with these information, but they are a bit odd. Probably DeM, murmur and Eleventh chose their players.

ChainLegacy

2012-03-30, 12:12

But if it is true that DeM, as I read here, didn't notice that Yuno was not the current Yuno, well that a bit odd. As if DeM didn't chose himself all the players. Surely he didn't go through a jury selection procedure like. And he didn't choose Eleventh, on the contrary he stooped to compromises with a human, not so god-like.
I really don't know what to do with these information, but they are a bit odd. Probably DeM, murmur and Eleventh chose their players.

The reason why he was working with Eleventh is that he must have had an 'imaginary friend' type relationship with Deus already prior to the battle. Actually, I had assumed that all contestants had such a relationship with Deus in the 'fake' world prior to the game, and that was the main prerequisite for participation. In Yuki's case, he interpreted them as fake, but the Mayor of Sakagami apparently believed (rightfully) he was receiving messages from a god, and thus discussed and planned with him the upcoming game, thinking it all to be something that would actually happen.

Ashaman

2012-03-30, 12:36

Nah, some of the MurMur segments pretty much shoot the "All Dairy Owners Knew Deus Beforehand" idea out of the water.

As for Yuki's power; I don't think he has any true supernatural power - rather its MurMur doing it for dramatic effect. She pushed him into the hole, she brought him out.

But Yuki's ability to screw with time and space - well, that's been fairly consistant. Multiple Dead End's averted, major shifts in time and space with him as the cause, and a previous connection with Dues?

One instance that immediately comes to mind is the final confrontation against 4th. Yuki literally averted a Dead End by willpower alone. He didn't take any different actions than what was written on his Dairy. The future shouldn't have changed. But it did.

Yuki has always had a talent for mucking about with time and space.

ChainLegacy

2012-03-30, 14:58

Which segments are you referring to? In the very least, 11th thought he was seeing visions from a god and that he was a prophet.

Ashaman

2012-03-30, 15:21

The 3rd reacted like it was his first time meeting MurMur; the same with 5th and 6th. I can't remember the others.

No knowledge of MurMur leads me to believe they've never met Dues.

miketyson

2012-04-01, 12:24

Good job on this week's episode too. The pacing is pretty solid and it's looking like the ending will be fine. Also: Murmur's post-show omakes make a return. This one was, well, interesting in context, seemed like a way to add more detail without changing the flow of the story. It made me laugh (apple doesn't fall far from the tree...?).

Flawfinder

2012-04-01, 12:45

Wait, there was a new episode today? I thought the schedule was that the new episode would be released on Friday.

miketyson

2012-04-01, 19:28

Wait, there was a new episode today? I thought the schedule was that the new episode would be released on Friday.

I wasn't aware of the schedule issue. It came on a bit before Aquarion (which was broadcast early today), so I watched it. It was definitely episode 24, not episode 23.

ultimatemegax

2012-04-01, 19:31

Wait, there was a new episode today? I thought the schedule was that the new episode would be released on Friday.

The only changes to the schedule have been adjustments to the airing times for the Sunday showings (except for NicoNico) to match the ones for Hyouka and the addition of BS11 for the final three episodes.

alster1985

2012-04-01, 23:40

Question: I just watched episode 24 and there's a scene where Yuno's mother says that Yuno was adopted. So did the bank vault only open because Yuno's eyes were scanned when she was younger or did Yuno have to be a biological daughter of the Gasai's for the vault to open? Basically, did the anime add extra plot or did the manga confirm that Yuno was never a biological daughter?

thundrakkon

2012-04-01, 23:41

So the latest episode revealed quite some things. Murmur was Yuno's familiar? Why didn't Deus notice that from the beginning? Also, it still does not explain why Murmur explained everything to Yuki last episode. If she wanted him dead, then there was no need to explain and save him.

Minene makes her return, and she has god powers. That explains what Deus did to her. However, does this mean that she will expire in a week's time like Deus was about to?

Finally, Yuki is already making an effect on the 3rd world. He is changing Yuno 3's fate already by trying to save her and calling an ambulance. With police and medical attention going to her house, they will see the cage and figure out the abuse. That will eventually and probably reduce her psychological problems. It will also cause her to avoid killilng her parents. However, if she wakes up, she will realize Yuki saved her and probably fall for him, too. This world might be different as long as Yuno 3 survives.

On a side note, since they traveled to the 3rd world, can they go back to their world? Also, while they are at it, Yuki could change the fate of each of the diary holders now since it is 2 years back.

Question: I just watched episode 24 and there's a scene where Yuno's mother says that Yuno was adopted. So did the bank vault only open because Yuno's eyes were scanned when she was younger or did Yuno have to be a biological daughter of the Gasai's for the vault to open? Basically, did the anime add extra plot or did the manga confirm that Yuno was never a biological daughter?

Welcome to the forums, alster1985!

As for your question, the most likely answer is that Yuno was registered when the parents were registered into the vault. She did not need to be a biological daughter. I think anime mentioned that Yuno was not a biological daughter many episodes ago, the episode that showed Yuno killing her parents.

bigdeath

2012-04-02, 02:01

This was a crazy episode but it did answer a lot of question. thundrakkon basically wrote my thoughts. I wonder who Yuki will choose to save? the third worlds Yuno or the first world yuno (whos trying to kill him)

bigdeath

2012-04-02, 02:07

Flawfinder

2012-04-02, 02:19

warita

2012-04-02, 03:46

But does that mean Murmur has also killed her own self in the second world?

thundrakkon

2012-04-02, 04:11

Chase

2012-04-02, 04:23

They brought Minene back.:) Though she wasn't dead in the first place and they gave her part of an arm that she was missing along with powers. And what a shitty mom Yuno had. And Yukki falling for the whole "thats my parents" thing towards the end had me going:bash:.

Overall: 8/10

Luxuria

2012-04-02, 04:35

That is why this is a little confusing. Murmur, from the episode, is Yuno's familiar that she created to bring to the second world. Hence, the second world originally does not have a Murmur. But then, why didn't Deus know right away?

Also, you do not see Murmur in the 3rd world with Deus, so I think there is only 1 Murmur.

Wrong. Murmur is indeed originally Deus' familiar but ever since Yuno won the first survival game and became god, the 'ownership' to Murmur was given to Yuno. More of your questions should be answered by the next episode.

warita

2012-04-02, 06:00

Wrong. Murmur is indeed originally Deus' familiar but ever since Yuno won the first survival game and became god, the 'ownership' to Murmur was given to Yuno.

Thats what I thought. But if she travels to another world together with Yuno, wouldnt she need to replace the Murmur of that world? Maybe it was Murmur who slipped the idea of killing her own self to Yuno...., you know, to keep things nice and simple.

D-KLAC

2012-04-02, 07:59

great scott if doc brown, doctor who, & den-o crew saw this yea so what they did time stuff & go like uh onore decade on it?

flashbacks of yuno started with dead mom, bunny, & 1st yuno axe the 2nd yuno with murmur siding helping 1st yuno.
now after seeing of yuki still what to do can’t kill yuno.
yea yuno plan do it again on next world cue calling yuno “insane” see ya next fall.
yuki falling look like yuno win but yuki climbing to save yuno but fall again.
suprise our 9th bomber is back with new arm save yuki.
murmur black balls & missile attack but nothing happen there ok.
so now another time leap to 3rd world.
yuki & 9th arrive in 3rd world ask how 9th is ok yea deus doing especially give some deus power to 9th.
cause deus know murmur’s plans so want 9th to stop them have game all safe.
now in 3rd world in 2yrs in the past seeing yuno will go after 3rd yuno so save yuno no.3.
meanwhile 3rd yuno in cage with mom so upset ever more left her in cage & go.
brief cameo of 3rd world’s 6th-tsubaki & 11th-mayor give 11th all ready show dairy to 3rd deus with 3rd deus notice something.
yuki & 9th arrive in gasai house give 9th saying don’t change past see 3rd yuno so much pain.
yea yuki you has to alter the timelines & boom here yuno & murmur.
make more uh-oh they got 3rd world? yuki’s parents in the ball.
so 9th & yuki retreat for now with 9th asking what do you want yuno, 3rd yuno, parents, etc?!

mur-mur extra on doing phone chat with yuno’s mom with mur-mur listen all yuno’s mom probs yea 5 times cause mur-mur only listen to probs yea indeed.

oh man so much yea i’m so going like what next?

Flawfinder

2012-04-02, 09:37

And Yukki falling for the whole "thats my parents" thing towards the end had me going:bash:.
\

I see a lot of people complaining about that. I don't really get why people can't accept Yuki doing that, and yet they can accept Yuno doing the same thing, but I guess pink and insane really does endear itself to a lot of people. Besides, who wants to bet that the next episode will just clear that issue up and then people will get annoyed at Yuki for another reason that will probably get cleared up in the subsequent episode? I don't know, it just seems like a minor issue for people to get focused on too much. More so when I think about the scene and go, "how would the audience want him to respond to that"? I guess they wanted him to just brush it off (when they don't want him dead, I mean), but honestly, I think that would just be confusing and out of character for Yuki, given that everything he did was to bring them back. He finally gets to see them again, and you know the rest.

Speaking of where the second Murumuru is, I could have sworn this episode said that the first replaced her somehow. Which means she did exist, but for some reason, isn't around anymore.

DarkyPwnz

2012-04-02, 11:18

Because the survival game hadn't started yet.

The "Amano-kun" diary was Yuno 1's diary from the first survival game-no longer linked to her life because the game ended with her as a winner. Then, after killing Yuno 2 the game started again and Yuno was again selected. This time her diary was a Yukki diary. Signifying that she was much closer to Yukki now than the first time through.

This made perfect sense until it was revealed in Episode 24
That Yuno2 had the diary when she was killed.

warita

2012-04-02, 11:24

This made perfect sense until it was revealed in Episode 24
That Yuno2 had the diary when she was killed.

And then episode 25 revealed, how Yuno gets her second diary from Murmur.

Speaking of where the second Murumuru is, I could have sworn this episode said that the first replaced her somehow. Which means she did exist, but for some reason, isn't around anymore.

You think it could have been a nonviolent method? As in, two Yunos can exist in one world, but not two Murmurs.... because... ehhh, Murmur us a supernatural being?

But wait, that cant be, because a part of Deus from the previous world exists in Minene in the new world and the continuum doesnt have a problem with that.

DarkyPwnz

2012-04-02, 11:45

Uhm,Episode 25 isn't even out yet. How do you know?

Also,episode 24... Seriously,I hate everything about it, from;New superpowers such as flying,making rockets,black balls of doom,Yuno on a ball etc. Seriously,it just got way too cheesy,I hated this one. I love this show but I have to call bs when I see it.

warita

2012-04-02, 11:52

Flawfinder

2012-04-02, 11:54

Also,episode 24... Seriously,I hate everything about it, from;New superpowers such as flying,making rockets,black balls of doom,Yuno on a ball etc. Seriously,it just got way too cheesy,I hated this one. I love this show but I have to call bs when I see it.

To be fair though, it's just Murumuru and a Deus-empowered Minene. If Yuki or Yuno had been doing this, I would have called B.S. as well. Or if this series wasn't one that runs on crazy. But that's not true either.

ookamigirl

2012-04-02, 12:29

Yuno & Yukiteru "love" issues.
Seems like Yuno keeps repeating the same mistakes.
Ninth sure saved Yukkii's ass. Good thing that god planned ahead.
OMG no wonder Yuno turned out to be all broken & psycho. Her parents were nut jobs.
Third world... here we go again. Yuno v1 vs Yukkii v2!

ars89

2012-04-02, 17:57

Some questions answered this ep. Minene is back! Well Yuki better make up his mind soon. I'll give him credit for deciding to be assertive and try to stop Yuno.

FlareKnight

2012-04-02, 19:33

Thats what I thought. But if she travels to another world together with Yuno, wouldnt she need to replace the Murmur of that world? Maybe it was Murmur who slipped the idea of killing her own self to Yuno...., you know, to keep things nice and simple.I'd assume that's exactly what happened. Deus mentioned that Murmur's powers should be restrained, but what if Yuno released those restraints and thus made it easy for Murmur to destroy her other self? The only weakness is Deus not noticing, but if it was done quickly enough it should be fine since he clearly missed the double Yuno thing anyways.

I don't have a problem with Yuki wanting to save the parents of the third world. They may not be his exact parents, but they still are the same people. He doesn't want to see them die again and then leave his other self in a bad position. Really seems only human to act like this. He isn't going to just act like the people in this third world aren't human so they don't matter.

Should be interesting to see how this all turns out. A lot of variables in the mix. Almost hope the 3rd Yuno stays unconscious since it'd really be troublesome :heh:.

KoiYuki

2012-04-02, 22:18

Yuki needs to be pushed off a sharp and jagged cliff for what he did to Hinata and co. D8<
I've been holding this reply in since you said this in episode 22, but... wish granted. :heh: Well, it looked more like a cliff to me in the manga (and he was bloody, iirc, hence.. jagged), but it was close enough.

Here's something that I don't get.. Yukki was still alive when Yuno was crowned winner (and it wasn't revoked once they knew he was alive), so.. why would she still try to kill him? She's god now, and he's alive.. It seems like a perfect scenario for her. Or even if she wasn't god yet, they're both still alive, and technically their other world counterparts could play..?

kitten320

2012-04-03, 11:07

Flawfinder

2012-04-03, 11:47

Episode 23
It does not explain why Yuno is strong because since she is a winner from 1st world, she had to be strong back then too.

My guess is that the first world was a typical "work to get stronger" sort of show where both Yuki and Yuno helped each other to grow and overcome the odds. And before you say, "Yuki would have held her back", he was stronger in the first world because Yuno wasn't breathing on his neck as hard back then.

DarkyPwnz

2012-04-03, 15:49

Episode 23
It does not explain why Yuno is strong because since she is a winner from 1st world, she had to be strong back then too.

Episode 24
No matter what Yuno says, she doesn't care about Yukki either and needs to die. The 3rd world Yuno better get on right path to make up for her dumbness! Can't believe she is the most loved character of the series , people have some of the worst tastes x_x

Yes, Minene is alive an owning! Go knock some sense into Yukki! He is irritating as usual. She is the only normal character in this series.

Well Tsubaki was good too and I guess that duo couple wasn't bad either.

I really liked series at the start but now it's just meh...

She wasn't normal when she killed herself for that Yukiteru wimp. I think we can both agree (me being that person with a crappy taste and thinks Yuno is awesome) that Yukiteru is the worst character in the series and he is just goddamnit awful.

Also,if she could keep her god powers on the other world,why didn't she take them with her? And where is third world's Deus, wouldn't he notice someone else was actin' like God and stuff?

warita

2012-04-03, 15:51

It just occured to me, Minene got her hand back, but not her eye? Aha....

Flawfinder

2012-04-03, 18:00

It just occured to me, Minene got her hand back, but not her eye? Aha....

Deus is sort of cheap that way.

DezoPenguin

2012-04-03, 21:41

Here's something that I don't get.. Yukki was still alive when Yuno was crowned winner (and it wasn't revoked once they knew he was alive), so.. why would she still try to kill him? She's god now, and he's alive.. It seems like a perfect scenario for her. Or even if she wasn't god yet, they're both still alive, and technically their other world counterparts could play..?

There's a difference between "crowned winner" and "becoming God." As Murmur pointed out, "once you assume control of causality..." Or in other words, Murmur made the classic mistake of mistaking Yukki falling for Yukki actually going splat. Second World doesn't have a God right now (though Minene is kind of half of one at this point :heh: ).

Otherwise, I'm glad that Ninth got around to pointing out that the first, second, and third worlds are alternate timelines, not going back into the same timeline. Last week's discussion made it frustrating not to point this out, because at that point it would have been a manga spoiler to say so! :p As she says, Yuno's hostages are Yukki 3rd's parents, not Yukki 2nd's. Of course, Yukki's now desperately trying to save Yuno 3rd from Yuno 1st, while the Yuno 2nd he thought he knew has been dead all along... :eyespin:

(I will not comment about Murmur 2nd's fate...damn spoilers.)

There's a pretty obvious answer to Minene's question, I must say. If Yukki's finally going to man up, he's going to say it.

@kitten320: Incidentally, I don't think it's accurate to say that Yuno doesn't love Yukki. It's just that she's a complete raging nutter that makes her expressions of that love come off so strangely. Divine power in the hand of a psycho never makes for a good thing, particularly when she's locked in to this "I will live in this eternal loop of alternate worlds with Yukki!" mode that can't end well for anybody.

But then again, what does it say about this series that the most sympathetic character left standing at this point is a terrorist that blows up schoolchildren on-screen? :p

Flawfinder

2012-04-03, 23:28

@DezoPenguin Personally, I'm not sure how I feel about Yuki "manning up" if it comes. Firstly, it's a little too late at this point. Secondly, the reason I like Yuki so much is because he destroyed people's expectations by not "manning up", but rather getting worse because his inability to mature (and other factors) caused everything that was given to him (a girlfriend, the ability to predict the future, etc.) to make his life worse. If he mans up at this point, it'll have to be within character and within his physical abilities. If he goes ultra badass, I'm going to be so disappointed that the series didn't go all the way in making him the anti-thesis of the usual wimp character.

warita

2012-04-04, 02:02

Yeah..... but I still dont get the feeling that looping endlessly is what Yuno meant to do right from the start. I think she is slowly developing a taste for it. She is a nutter, I guess she figured this is the perfect solution in a way and I think she realized it during the second cycle.

I could be wrong, so I will just wait and see.

Arya

2012-04-04, 07:13

Ahhh, this episode got me confused. Did Yuno has won or not?
Because, if she won she shouldn't need to time leap, I mean she won so she should have become god, saved the world from collapsing and having Yuki still alive. Since none of these happened, (except for Yuki being unluckily still alive (j/k) :heh:), it means that she didn't win.
So why time leaping? Because killing Yuki looked too hard? Ok, but once Yuno left the second timeline Yuki should have won for "withdrawal" and became god himself, being the last man standing in that timeline. Am I wrong? But he decided to follow Yuno to stop her from keep on leaping, didn't he? So supposedly he gave up on the second timeline leaving it collapsing or what. Because so far the leap seems to be meant only from a dimension to another. On the contrary, why did Yuno change timeline in the first place? (I have to wait on this, because I foresee that Yuki will be back on the second timeline to save even this world).
So, why didn't he kill her from the start? I mean she explained him the situation at the beginning of the episode. And the rules were quite simple from the very start. Kill or get killed. I understand that is the Yuki indecision-ness and it fits his character, but you know lately I end up blaming Yuno ... and not for having been to oppressive, but to not having been enough fast with that axe :)

Last, I don't understand when Murmur helped Yuno to the point to define her behavior unfare. Considering that in ep 23 she leaked to Yuki some relevant informations instead of let Yuno be.

Dengar

2012-04-04, 07:40

I think it's established now that Yuno has more or less been using Yuki to satisfy her need for someone she can cling to. It's not so much that she would do anything for him, but to be with him. The two attitudes are similar on the surface, but different at their foundations. This is why she can easily discard this "defective" Yuki, and start over with a Yuki "who may become more like the ideal Yuki that she envisions".

ChainLegacy

2012-04-04, 09:05

Otherwise, I'm glad that Ninth got around to pointing out that the first, second, and third worlds are alternate timelines, not going back into the same timeline. Last week's discussion made it frustrating not to point this out, because at that point it would have been a manga spoiler to say so! :p As she says, Yuno's hostages are Yukki 3rd's parents, not Yukki 2nd's. Of course, Yukki's now desperately trying to save Yuno 3rd from Yuno 1st, while the Yuno 2nd he thought he knew has been dead all along... :eyespin:

But then again, what does it say about this series that the most sympathetic character left standing at this point is a terrorist that blows up schoolchildren on-screen? :p

Okay, I get that part, but are they more or less just copies of each other? As in, yeah, they're completely independent timelines, but other than the changes made by time-traveling parties, isn't this exactly the same world? I pretty much understood it as that from when Murmur explained how all the changes in the 2nd timeline were a result of Yuno (or indirectly because of Yuno, like Yukiteru checking the room in her house).

If it's exactly the same world other than the time-travelers, then I still don't see Yuki's desire to protect this new Yuno. If I were him, I'd have killed her and the old one and danced on their dead bodies... but I guess I wouldn't be able to fall in love with someone who imprisoned me for weeks in the first place. :rolleyes:

I'd still say I sympathize more with Yuki than Minene, though. Many of his actions I understand. If I saw my parents die like him and knew I might be able to bring them back I'd probably do just what he did. He was unaware that he couldn't bring any of his victims back, and by the time Hinata told him this wasn't the case it was way too late to turn back, anyways. Biggest thing separating me from him is I'd relish in killing Yuno rather than go to pains not to, lol.

Dengar

2012-04-04, 10:36

They are the same right up to the arrival of the time leapers. After that, and as time continues to go on, anything goes really. Butterfly effect and all that. Basically the more time passes, the bigger the chances of certain events happening differently.

And this is of course before applying the changes that are being made on purpose by the time leapers themselves.

Which is why the 2nd world is only slightly different to the 1st one. The changes did become more prominent as time passed, however.

DarkyPwnz

2012-04-04, 13:30

I think the whole "more than one time god can exist at a time" thing really screws things up. Yuno huge ball mode shouldn't co-exist with Deus of the 3rd world. There shouldn't be a deus of the 3rd world either,one and only Deus.

Flawfinder

2012-04-04, 13:49

^ I'm pretty sure that the huge ball belongs to Murmur though. And I don't think Murmur is restricted by those rules.

KoiYuki

2012-04-04, 14:06

It just occured to me, Minene got her hand back, but not her eye? Aha....
Well, there's a fake eye in the way of the real eye.. and maybe also because the hand injury happened afte Deus gave her powers (I'm not totally sure, I can't remember). It also looks like Deus's hand, and he DID jam that hand through her stomach..

Also,if she could keep her god powers on the other world,why didn't she take them with her? And where is third world's Deus, wouldn't he notice someone else was actin' like God and stuff?
Maybe she lost them when she took over Yuno2's place? And then Murmur took her memory for a while too..

There's a difference between "crowned winner" and "becoming God." As Murmur pointed out, "once you assume control of causality..." Or in other words, Murmur made the classic mistake of mistaking Yukki falling for Yukki actually going splat. Second World doesn't have a God right now (though Minene is kind of half of one at this point :heh: ).

But in that case, why did Yuno gain powers? Or should I just count it as Murmur's powers, and Yuno doesn't have any (just the Deus outfit)?

I keep typing Desu instead of Deus. :heh:

DarkyPwnz

2012-04-04, 15:16

It's kinda awkward,I had this hypothesis that Minene didn't get her eye back because Deus did his stuff on her after she got the eye injury,but then the flashback showed him doing that when she was dieing,after she lost her hand too. But somehow I have this feeling that when they showed that scene before,it happened before her "death".

DezoPenguin

2012-04-04, 16:42

Okay, I get that part, but are they more or less just copies of each other? As in, yeah, they're completely independent timelines, but other than the changes made by time-traveling parties, isn't this exactly the same world? I pretty much understood it as that from when Murmur explained how all the changes in the 2nd timeline were a result of Yuno (or indirectly because of Yuno, like Yukiteru checking the room in her house).

If it's exactly the same world other than the time-travelers, then I still don't see Yuki's desire to protect this new Yuno. If I were him, I'd have killed her and the old one and danced on their dead bodies... but I guess I wouldn't be able to fall in love with someone who imprisoned me for weeks in the first place. :rolleyes:

It's...complicated (okay, it's not; it's just unexplained :p ), but it appears that different worlds can have minor-yet-significant differences. You've actually already seen one, but don't really know it (and again, spoiler...PM me if you want to know). One we have seen that made a huge difference, though, was of course Yukki choosing to open the door in Yuno's house. Now, we might explain that as saying that, even with her memories sealed, Yuno-1 acted slightly differently than she did the first time, producing slightly different reactions in Yukki-2 than she did in Yukki-1, but by all accounts it seems that Yukki-2 simply made a different decision than Yukki-1, which sent pretty much all of the Yukki/Yuno interactions spiraling off on a different path (I wonder, for example, if Yukki-1 ever knew that Yuno-1 had murdered her parents).

miketyson

2012-04-04, 17:27

DezoPenguin: that actually closes one of the lingering plotholes, at least for me. It's always bugged me that Yuno just left that room like that for Yukiteru to stumble into eventually -- seems impossibly stupid, honestly -- but I guess if you assume that she left it like that the first time around and he never went in it makes more sense.

Come to think of it, first-world alpha-Yukiteru might've just put her up at his house much earlier on, and in fact he might not've ever gone to her house (don't remember if her house is in any of those glimpses Murmur gives...).

In terms of parallel worlds and stuff changing, if you've been watching it this long and are still expecting things to tie together neatly and logically I don't know what to tell you, :heh:. At the thematic level it's pretty clear the author was aiming for a "some things can be changed, others pretty much can't be, even if you'd want them changed..." vibe. That much is pulled-off, but the rest is more than a little messy.

Arya

2012-04-04, 18:37

DezoPenguin: that actually closes one of the lingering plotholes, at least for me. It's always bugged me that Yuno just left that room like that for Yukiteru to stumble into eventually -- seems impossibly stupid, honestly -- but I guess if you assume that she left it like that the first time around and he never went in it makes more sense.

you made me remember about this. Yes, definitely not the smartest move at all leaving that room as it was. Yuno is really smart so for me it remains a bit a plothole, even if I understand it was necessary.
Speaking of that room, when Yuki stumbled in the room it was still *normal*, I mean, cage and corpses. Days later the room was replaced by a huge hole. I was assuming that the hole was made by Yuno's first leap, but this episode showed us that this is not the case. When yuno killed Yuno-2 the room looked *normal*. So, who made that hole? or may I say, which Yuno?
And (probably I'm saying the obvious) since until now I was assuming that Yuno leaped earlier to the second timeline I thought that Yuno and Yuno-2 could have had more differences, but now what really made the difference, as DezoPenguin already pointed out, was Yuki opening that door. :eyespin: :)

miketyson

2012-04-04, 19:17

Ah Arya, you and me both. I actually think the author originally planned that big hole to be as you said -- due to her first leap -- then changed his mind about that a bit later on. I've mentioned this theory a few pages back in the thread somewhere.

thundrakkon

2012-04-05, 00:35

I thought there was a scene where Yuno was digging the hole, in the beginning of episode 10? I was to bury Yuno 2. However, if you are referring to how the roof and walkway seemed to have broken down outside the room, Yuno could have broken it for whatever her reason was (to let in more light to that gloomy rooom?). While she was digging, the structure still remained, so something happened afterwards.

So loses her memory as soon as she finishes burying Yuno 2, and we now know that Murmur was the one who temporarily erased her memory. Could it be that at this point, Murmur 1 arrived in a sphere and created the whole in the roof and walkway?

Dengar

2012-04-05, 02:48

Except Yuno arrived in the 2nd world before the games began.

miketyson

2012-04-05, 08:01

thundrakkon: there *is* that digging scene. In the tankobon version manga that "digging" scene is one of the color "bonus" pages. I don't think it was part of the original magazine run, but I've never gotten copies of the original magazines to confirm (or deny) that hypothesis. FWIW the digging scene isn't included in the scanlations a lot of people seem to have read, which were done off of the original magazine version.

It's just one of those "what if" ideas, though: I think you can make a case that he started out with one idea and then changed his mind, but at the same time it's quite apparent what his final story choice was. Probably enough said on this for now.

DarkyPwnz

2012-04-05, 10:36

Except Yuno arrived in the 2nd world before the games began.

I don't think so, Yuno 2 was in the survival game at that moment.

Dengar

2012-04-05, 12:18

What do you base this on?

Because she's been using her "Yukki" diary ever since the beginning. The one from the 2nd world Yuno was the "Amano-kun" diary.

DarkyPwnz

2012-04-05, 16:10

You're wrong. Even if we go by your logic, survival games had to begin for Yuno 2 to have her diary.

On episode 1,you can see Yuno 1 crying over someone's corpse and uttering the words "Amano-kun",leading me to believe that she had the "Amano-kun" diary on the first world.

Sackett made an explanation that made perfect sense until Episode 23 arrived revealing that Yuno 2 had the diary when she was killed.

Which brings back my previous questions:

1) Why didn't Yuno 2 see a dead end sign if she was going to be killed by Yuno 1? (Through this could be explained by Yuno 1 doing something supernatural in order to kill her)
2) Did Yuno 1 take the "Amano-Kun" diary from Yuno 2?

If so:

a) Why is it still working after Yuno 2 died?

If not:

b) How did Yuno obtain it? Can Murmur just produce future diaries as she wishes?

"Amano-Kun" diary is Yuno 1's first diary,she won the game before she started calling him Yukkii. Since Yuno 2 was just a Yuno in the past, it is safe to assume that she had the "Amano-Kun" diary too before she was killed.

So,there are two ways that Yuno 1 (the Yuno we started everything with, before the time travel part was included) could have obtained the "Amano-Kun" diary:

i. She could somehow keep the diary when she time leapt.
ii. Murmur can make diaries.
iii. She took it from her past self, through this would cause a plot hole in a sense that Yuno 2 was quite dead for her diary to work.

And the "Yukkii" diary is the one Deus gave her at the start of the second world's survival game.
I hope it makes more sense to you now.

Arya

2012-04-05, 17:25

What do you base this on?

Because she's been using her "Yukki" diary ever since the beginning. The one from the 2nd world Yuno was the "Amano-kun" diary.
It took me a bit to resolve it but I guess it is the opposite. This episode showed us the main events in chronological order and in particular the switch, that happened the day after the pinky-cockblock-rabbit episode. You could also see Murmur explaining her that she could have used the other phone, Yuno2's *Yukki* diary. So, it seems that Yuno2 already called Yukiteru *Yukki* (little differences between timelines) and all the events prior the switch were lived by Yuno2. Instead Yuno didn't call him *Yukki* until the switch/killing, and at that point she started calling him Yukki too (it is showed in the flashback too), to fit her role.
This should explain the Yukki diary continuity.
I assume that Yuno kept her first diary.
For the missed death end I guess that Yuno being an anomaly wasn't noticed by the Yuno2 diary.

thundrakkon

2012-04-05, 18:31

The last few posts have been confusing concerning the timeline. I will try to piece together what I can understand so far, so please advise if anything is off.

1) Yuno 1 wins the game and becomes god of world 1.
2) [April 17, Year 0] Yuno 2, who calls Yuki as Amano-kun, kills her parents.
3) [May 10, Year 0] Yuno 2 falls in love with Yuki a few weeks later when she wrote that she will be Yuki's bride on what she wants to do for her future.
4) [May 17, Year 0] Yuno 2, in bunny costume, follows Yuki around to break up his "date".
5) [August 1, Year 0] Yuno 1 arrives and kills Yuno 2, while Yuno 2 asks "Amano-kun" to help her.
6) Yuno 1 initially calls Yuki as Amano-kun, then changes it to Yuki.
7) Murmur 1 arrives and allows Yuno 1 to take Yuno 2's Amano-kun phone. Hence, Yuno 1 has her Yuki diary and Yuno 2's Amano-kun diary.
8) [April 21, Year 1] The Mirai Nikki games begin.

At no point did Yuno 2 ever call Yuki as Yuki. She has always called him Amano-kun. Hence, the time lines have been the same up to the point of Yuno 2's death. When I say the same, I mean the events and actions are the same, but they are still in an alternate universe.

Arya

2012-04-05, 19:03

Are you saying I've screwed up the Yukki/Amano diaries and names? nothing easier :D
It's just that the Amano name doesn't ring any bell in my memories, except when Murmur leaked to Yukiteru Yuno's sin (Just remembered). So I assumed that Yuno didn't ever call him Amano-kun along the series.
This is the problem to start guessing so late in a series. I forgot too many things. :)

Flawfinder

2012-04-05, 21:03

I think people are thinking too hard about when the diary switch happened. It doesn't really matter now, does it?

Dengar

2012-04-05, 22:10

No matter when -exactly- it happened, it had to have happened before the survival game began. There is no other way to explain the existence of the two diaries.

Guido

2012-04-05, 23:14

I just need to confirm from anyone:

Is it true the next episode doesn't air until the 13th this month?

ultimatemegax

2012-04-05, 23:19

I just need to confirm from anyone:

Is it true the next episode doesn't air until the 13th this month?

False. The only changes to the schedule (http://www.future-diary.tv/timetable/) are slight modifications for three stations to air the show ~30 minutes earlier. As for the simulcasts, Funi/NicoNico usually don't say anything prior to a delay, so who knows.

Who is spreading that rumor? It's the second time I've heard that this week.

thundrakkon

2012-04-05, 23:21

1) Why didn't Yuno 2 see a dead end sign if she was going to be killed by Yuno 1? (Through this could be explained by Yuno 1 doing something supernatural in order to kill her)

The game in world 2 did not start yet, hence Yuno 2's phone does not notify the user at all.

2) Did Yuno 1 take the "Amano-Kun" diary from Yuno 2?

Amano-kun diary was taken by Murmur from Yuno 2 and given to Yuno 1, after Murmur probably did some magic to it.

a) Why is it still working after Yuno 2 died?

Murmur did some magic to it to allow to still function. It did not disappear since this was before the game began.

b) How did Yuno obtain it? Can Murmur just produce future diaries as she wishes?

Murmur took it from Yuno 2 and gave it to Yuno 1. Murmur did not produce a new one.

"Amano-Kun" diary is Yuno 1's first diary,she won the game before she started calling him Yukkii. Since Yuno 2 was just a Yuno in the past, it is safe to assume that she had the "Amano-Kun" diary too before she was killed.

So,there are two ways that Yuno 1 (the Yuno we started everything with, before the time travel part was included) could have obtained the "Amano-Kun" diary:

i. She could somehow keep the diary when she time leapt.
ii. Murmur can make diaries.
iii. She took it from her past self, through this would cause a plot hole in a sense that Yuno 2 was quite dead for her diary to work.

And the "Yukkii" diary is the one Deus gave her at the start of the second world's survival game.
I hope it makes more sense to you now.

As can be seen in episode 22, Akise destroyed the Amano-kun diary. Hence, the Amano-kun diary is supposed to be originally owned by Yuno 2. Otherwise, Yuno 1 would have disappeared. The Yuki Diary has always been owned and linked to Yuno 1, hence it is her original one she had in world 1. It is because she now calls him Yuki; therefore, her phone does the same.

Dengar

2012-04-06, 04:26

You could even explain it more easily if you assume (yes, this is an assumption), that she simply took the diary before the games began and it wasn't a future diary yet. Deus did not know the real Yuno was dead so he turned the diary into a future diary like he did in the first world. Ta-daa! Two future diaries.

KoiYuki

2012-04-06, 22:18

As can be seen in episode 22, Akise destroyed the Amano-kun diary. Hence, the Amano-kun diary is supposed to be originally owned by Yuno 2. Otherwise, Yuno 1 would have disappeared. The Yuki Diary has always been owned and linked to Yuno 1, hence it is her original one she had in world 1. It is because she now calls him Yuki; therefore, her phone does the same.
It's not necessarily like that.. It could be that the Amano-kun one is from the first world, and since she already won, it didn't really effect her, whereas the Yukki diary could be from the second world, since she'd have started calling him that in that diary too.. Though it really doesn't matter in the end, and everyone saying that the diary was given to her after the death of Yuno2 is correct. :)

thundrakkon

2012-04-07, 03:33

@KoiYuki
I see what you mean. That is definitely a possibility, although at this point in time, unless the author comes out and states it, we really don't know which one is the correct one. In the grand scheme of things, it is not really that important. I wonder if anyone ever asked the author about it to clarify it? (amongst many other plot holes)

KoiYuki

2012-04-07, 13:26

You're right.. come to think of it, you'd think that they'd both say Yukki, since they're both current. :heh:

DarkyPwnz

2012-04-08, 03:06

That's the same as I said,KoiYuki,and yes,I think the Amano-kun one was from the first game too. Because in the second game, Yuno died 2,her diary should have stopped working. Then Murmur gave Yuno 1 the Yukkii diary. If Murmur hadn't given that to her and stated "quick,replace her before Deus notices", then it would be more likely that Yuno 2 was dead before the games began.

gecd

2012-04-08, 12:08

NOO!! THIS IS NOT MIRAI NIKKI!!
THIS IS BLEACH!!
THIS IS NARUTO!!!
since when this anime became shounen battle anime ?

DarkyPwnz

2012-04-08, 12:46

NOO!! THIS IS NOT MIRAI NIKKI!!
THIS IS BLEACH!!
THIS IS NARUTO!!!
since when this anime became shounen battle anime ?

I totally agree. Episode 24 was an eyesore.

Flawfinder

2012-04-08, 15:43

^ You got the episode number wrong.

And yeah, this episode was weird. While not as jarring a shift as Another, someone in Asread seemed to have thought that the manga didn't have enough shonen action, so they included it in the anime. Yes, there has been action in the series before, but...really?

Dengar

2012-04-08, 16:54

Supernatural beings shooting at eachother with supernatural powers. I fail to see the problem here. It's not like a fight scene suddenly makes it a fighting series.

Flawfinder

2012-04-08, 17:15

I was referring more to the Yuki v. Yuno thing. I know Yuki is quick and all, especially since he's using his phone, but seeing him take on Yuno and getting slammed by that giant ball twice was...weird.

Oh, and if they change the dialogue that reveals the true nature between Yuki and Yuno's relationship (to them, as we knew the true nature long ago), I'm calling foul (I don't think they did though).

miketyson

2012-04-08, 17:43

Wow episode 25. I thought they mostly did a better job with this part of the story than the manga did, until Murmur changed forms...that was just weird and lame, something about the color choice and the face just made it seem like a joke.

The complaints about shonen battle I understand, but it's basically exactly what happens in the manga, just less rushed and better-animated than a lot of the show has been. So I can't really fault it for going that way, although I can fault them for handling Murmur's transformation the way they did.

The finale next week should be good, it seems like the ending episodes have gotten more thought and energy put into them than many of the others.

thundrakkon

2012-04-09, 04:20

I really enjoyed the action in the last episode. It was quite a change from the usual Mirai Nikki, but it was a welcome change. It kept the episode fast paced, and it was over before I knew it.

I don't know how Yuki will be able to overcome his latest obstacle. Maybe he will break the 3rd wall like he did with Yuno 2 when she was dying?

So the fact that Yuno 1 is using her powers from Deus 1 victory, does that create some sort of conflict with world 2 game? Also, by using her powers, I am sure that Deus 3 has noticed (which I think the last episode hinted it so with the event change sound when they showed him). Will Deus 3 interfere as well?

There is only 1 episode left. It looks like a rush to the final, whatever that will be.

FlareKnight

2012-04-09, 04:20

I didn't really have a problem with it. Besides Murmur looking a bit goblin there, it was pretty good. I mean we have a couple beings boosted by supernatural powers, might as well let them go all out at each other. Also Murmur and 9th something to do while Yuno and Yuki take care of their business. I don't think some action between them at this point ruins anything. The series had fighting and in this case it was just fighting between two beings who could really dish it out.

Sucks for 9th though with the whole losing her arm thing....well should be able to re-attach it if they can find it later. Still in the end she couldn't just abandon Yuki like that. Of course as usual could have saved herself some suffering if she did.

Now I'm really looking forward to the last episode. Yuki's got to break out of that dimension somehow, but the real problem is how they resolve the 2nd world issue. If they don't do something that world is going to go poof (though not like a ton of people aren't dead already anyways). Maybe they actually pull off the double suicide this time and let 9th take over :heh:.

Chase

2012-04-09, 07:33

Minene deserves better than that. Screw you plot gods.:frustrated: Im upset, i think i'll go lay down now.

D-KLAC

2012-04-09, 08:01

well well look indeed after all this yea wonder what will happen next?

yea yuno looking half moon goes red blood then back to regular now wonder to do.
give murmur now let go after both yuki & 9th with yuno bit confuse right now.
then ambulance arrive oh 3rd world yuno’s dad notice something different about yuno.
cue yuno stab 3rd’s world yuno’s dad & murmur don’t change history.
9th going you got be kidding cause yuki want save both yunos so drop them at school.
yuki carry 3rd yuno & hid her cue yuno & murmur attacks on yuki.
while 9th make call about a kid heart to “someone” notice the attack.
yuki dodge all murmur attacks & balloons bombs give got hit by debris.
yuno notice yuki got hurt & more confuse what to do.
yuki see yuno & murmur go charge give dodge the ball then knife but still ok give it was thrown.
yuki grab yuno & 9th battle with murmur all high flying fighting horn blasting etc.
yuno notice it all mine cue big ball drop on yuki with yuno all laughing.
meanwhile 3rd world cop Kurusu talking with a female about missing daughter.
then got a “call” about his son heart then hear news of boom grab a “rookie” to check.
oh random cameo of all other 3rd world dairy owners notice the booms.
yuki see his parents together, jacket, darts, birds, etc.
cause yuki is yuno’s ball of desire of all thing yuki want but no yuno & can’t say yuno.
yuno saying some things that bother her & love yuki but don’t want go back 2nd world.
cue there only can be one rule it all & etc saying.
oh it’s female who lookalike yuki’s mom who want to “do it” with yuki.
yuki panic cue yuno lock the ball of yuki of his desire so yuno can get 3rd yuki.
yuno & 9th have some saying 9th to charge & cue UNLEASH THE MURMUR.
yes a wild murmur appear got fully hulk smash on 9th.
meanwhile yuki being tempt by world of his desire mention a dream to his parents.
about survival game & a “strange girl” & a crying tear coming down.
9th all beaten up being hold by yuno with wild red eyes murmur then drop the 9th & now see her 3rd world version.

oh murmur extra
yea panic seeing about yuno & 3rd world yuno’s dad so murmur doing make yuno small but shrank yuno that strike one.
try again but strike two make a yuno a baby.
3rd time well let say make yuno get “flat” & cue murmur head smash wall strike-out.

indeed with all just happen how will all wrap-up?

Flawfinder

2012-04-09, 09:29

Okay, that was actually a lot better now that I could understand everything. A little shonen-y, but it was a great episode. Although seriously, you saved your Episode 21 budget for this?

miketyson

2012-04-09, 10:40

The main thing I didn't like with episode 25 murmur is: In the manga she morphs into a more-evil form, but it's only for a few panels and leaves a lot to the imagination (in particular, it leaves you wondering what exactly Murmur really is, what her situation with Deus Ex was, etc....questions which aren't ever really answered, and make the world of Mirai Nikki feel a bit larger than what you see. Drawing her transform scene out and giving you such a clear look at her unconstrained form left a lot less to the imagination and didn't have the same "peek behind the curtains" feeling to it.

taelrak

2012-04-09, 11:50

In episode 25, anyone know the title of the background music that was playing when Yuuno, Murmur and Yuuki were in the school?

Kismet-chan

2012-04-09, 12:00

I can't wait until everyone finds out that Mirai Nikki's ending is... Well... :heh:

Reading the reactions in this thread should be hilarious. *Readies my popcorn bucket*

Justice Knight

2012-04-09, 12:55

sup murumuru

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/555799_206657029447351_100003091666563_336990_1071 494559_n.jpg

ookamigirl

2012-04-09, 13:17

Saving Yuno 3 from Yuno 1... geez, what a mess!
Yuno 1 sure is determined to kill Yukkii.
Murmur was annoying with dropping those spheres and being a nuisance.
So 9th is to Yukkii what Murmur is to Yuno.
Closing Yukkii into that sphere... probably saving him for last.

Spat

2012-04-09, 16:20

Favorite moment: MINENE-KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK!!! She's still my favorite character...

And this episode kinda explains some of the anime's derpy animations in past episodes, I guess they were just saving up for this episode! :D

Nice to see the other diary owners again.

ars89

2012-04-09, 16:59

Murmur with her seal off was awesome. Too bad 9th lost an arm again. Hopefully she wakes up in time to do something. Like how she told 4th about his son. Hopefully Yuki finds a way out.

ThereminVox

2012-04-09, 17:01

Guardian Enzo

2012-04-09, 18:12

I'm really glad they finally vocalized what makes Yuno and Yukiteru's relationship so delicious and compelling. From Yuno's lips, no less. She gets it, deep down: They can potentially bring out the best in each other, but for the most part, they just serve to enable the worst in each other. They have a twisted, desperate and unhealthy kind of love, but it doesn't make it any less real.

Honestly, that more than anything else was what made me like this show in the first place; it's two damaged kids in a world that seems to be conspiring to mess them up even worse who cling to each other because they don't know how else to survive.

QFT.

I thought the episode was great, personally. An anime is not a manga - you have to make a more visually arresting product. While the action sequences were definitely punched up - and damn well, too - I felt like the spirit of the manga was totally intact. This is not another "Another".

It strikes me that Mirai Nikki acts almost as a deconstruction – or at least a satire – of the sci-fi/fantasy genres of anime. Basically Esuno-sensei has taken everything fans rail against in those shows – dead characters coming back to life, “reset buttons”, divine power-ups – and made them the heart of his plot. Hell, he’s even taken the dreaded Deux ex Machina and put it in the hands of – “Deus ex Machina”! Make no mistake, he’s winking at us here – and for me it works, because all of those unforgivable plotquakes make perfect sense in Future Diary. And not just sense, but the story couldn’t even exist without them. That’s the true genius of this construction

Flawfinder

2012-04-09, 18:50

QFT.
It strikes me that Mirai Nikki acts almost as a deconstruction – or at least a satire – of the sci-fi/fantasy genres of anime. Basically Esuno-sensei has taken everything fans rail against in those shows – dead characters coming back to life, “reset buttons”, divine power-ups – and made them the heart of his plot. Hell, he’s even taken the dreaded Deux ex Machina and put it in the hands of – “Deus ex Machina”! Make no mistake, he’s winking at us here – and for me it works, because all of those unforgivable plotquakes make perfect sense in Future Diary. And not just sense, but the story couldn’t even exist without them. That’s the true genius of this construction

I thought that too, but mostly related to characters. There's a lot of things you see in other anime that gets turned on its ass in relation to them. Like Yuki getting a magical girlfriend, only that girlfriend is pretty much poison. Or the fact that Yuki is one of those wimps who grows for the worse instead of for the better. And the relationship between them is so good (because honestly, I don't think they work on their own very well) due how twisted, sycophantic, and tongue-in-cheek it is. For people who want to see a badass teamed up with a psycho, go read the author's other manga, Big Order.

And who can forget the fact that every time a new diary owner appears, they always prove Yuki wrong. When he tried to be the coward and run away from Ninth, she made them practically impossible by cornering him. When he tried to be the nice guy and help Tsubaki (forgot her number), it ends up backfiring. When he tries to distance himself from Yuno, Seventh puts an end to that plan. When he tries to be the bad guy, his opponent becomes Eighth, who is a genuinely good person.

Of course, whether or not it's a good satire is up for debate, but it definitely improved the show for me.

papermario13689

2012-04-09, 19:36

Murmur unleashed was the scariest thing...ever. xD

Master_Yoma

2012-04-09, 22:01

Well there goes that school again

rafael1932

2012-04-10, 10:38

Would be funny to see another season with yuki running away with the small yuno from all the players and old yuno.

Hey there is not 2 yuki this time ? anyone wants a sandwich:eyebrow:

Godlike1889

2012-04-10, 11:27

I thought that too, but mostly related to characters. There's a lot of things you see in other anime that gets turned on its ass in relation to them. Like Yuki getting a magical girlfriend, only that girlfriend is pretty much poison. Or the fact that Yuki is one of those wimps who grows for the worse instead of for the better. And the relationship between them is so good (because honestly, I don't think they work on their own very well) due how twisted, sycophantic, and tongue-in-cheek it is. For people who want to see a badass teamed up with a psycho, go read the author's other manga, Big Order.

And who can forget the fact that every time a new diary owner appears, they always prove Yuki wrong. When he tried to be the coward and run away from Ninth, she made them practically impossible by cornering him. When he tried to be the nice guy and help Tsubaki (forgot her number), it ends up backfiring. When he tries to distance himself from Yuno, Seventh puts an end to that plan. When he tries to be the bad guy, his opponent becomes Eighth, who is a genuinely good person.

Of course, whether or not it's a good satire is up for debate, but it definitely improved the show for me.

I must say, I never looked at the anime like that. Very well observed sir :D
I also must say that whole show is just awesomely put together, though I still don't like the wimpy Yukiteru.

As for episode 25: I loved the action and you won't hear me complaining about the whole shounen thing :D I like it. Minene has a bad habit of losing her limps, may it her arms/hands or just her eye :heh:

Oh and the scene when Yuno was holding bashed-up Minene made a great impression on me :naughty:, sorry Minene - fans :D don't get me wrong, I love her as well D:
I liked it so much I made a gif out of it ;D
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z322/Godlike1889/Animated%20stuff/Bashed-up-Minene-35.gif

Kismet-chan

2012-04-14, 23:51

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Guido

2012-04-15, 00:14

I got myself addicted playing a certain videogame that ended neglecting the reviews for Mirai Nikki the following three weeks in a row, hence, I decided to watch a marathon of episodes 23 to 25 to be ready for the final episode which is due very, very soon.

For the twenty-third episode it does again what's so delightful of Mirai Nikki changing the moods to something sweet, as Yuki chose to be one together with Yuno one day before the end of the world and consummate both their love. However, the moment Yuki asked the question he shouldn't asked then everything went downhill to hell in classic Yuno psychopath mode.

Murumuru's actions up to now are cleared, and she only spiced things up not only to keep herself entertained with the game but to progress it to seemingly its last stage.

She confirmed for real what Akise desperately attempted to convey to Yukiteru:

about the Game of the First World, and how the current Yuno became the Goddess of Time and Space from the first world and made critical mistakes that prevented him permanently from reviving her world's Yuki, therefore, she travelled back in time creating unexpectedly the second world.

Yuno became the Goddess of Time and Space not simply the Goddess of Time. A debatable point is that by travelling into the past she created an alternate reality world which was the same as her world, in other world's current Yuki's world (the second world) and quickly kill her other self from the second world with little regards so as to enter the game to repeat her cycle in an attempt to spend as much possible time with Yukki, as possible.

Deus said that Murumuru's his servant, but since Yuno from the first world won the Game and became the Goddess, then Murumuru's ownership passed to Yuno, hence, the current Murumuru as well comes from the first world.

Please no spoiling me; my review for episode twenty-fourth soon will come.

Arya

2012-04-15, 06:48

Uuh, with the new season starting I forgot about MN for a moment.
At first I said, what? and I was tempted to drop the episode, but when cutie Murmur was upgraded by Yuno to that mini-monster (not cute at all) I started waiting Minene dropping her eye-patch saying something like, "You made me use both my eyes, your ass is doomed now" :mahou-shoujo-trasforming:
So, the fighting parts were a bit ridiculous. Except for the ending. :heh:

On the other hand I liked the rest of the episode and how Yuno finally spoke the truth about them and their supposed love. To me this could have been a good end for MN, a bitter and fair ending for Yuno and Yuki, with him accepting his golden-box, finally reunited with his beloved parents; and Yuno stepping forward into her insanity and to another, hopefully more supportive, Yuki.
I'm curious how they will set the mess. :)

serenade_beta

2012-04-15, 14:26

Ah~ Ah~ ah...

I feared that they would do the same epilogue as the manga, which would suck, but they decided to not do the epilogue, but only HINT at it AND THEN announce a new project!
What?!
That sucks even more.
Just end it before or after, not half-way.

Well, in general, my thoughts are the same as the manga. Interesting to the half-way mark and then slowly falls... falls... falls... until the last arc, which was watching some boring supernatural battle. I can't really blame the anime staff, since they were following the manga, but still, geez, it got boring as it neared the end.
The epilogue of the 3rd world itself and the chain reaction was pretty nice and kind of makes you feel the long road walked throughout the story, but that is the only thing near the end that really felt well done.

Comparing to the manga, the staff animated it fairly well on parts, but not so well on others. For instance, (thankfully) Tsubaki's arc was improved from the manga, but on the other hand, Ai's arc gets her raped for no needed reason.
Animation/Character designs were definitely prettier than the manga, but the manga's artwork fit the atmosphere of the story better.
The abuse of using Murumuru for the after-ED extras was pretty bad too, seemingly put there just to use up the rest of the episode that the staff couldn't fill in with actual story.

OP/ED... Not so impressive. The first ED was REALLY cool, but that was the only good one. The second ED was Yuno acting like the tragic heroine (right...) and the second ED was fairly bad Engrish.

miketyson

2012-04-15, 15:35

Episode 26 was a fitting end to this adaption. I think this has a much better epilogue than the manga had, same general idea but much better in all the little details. The manga's infamous ending got left out...perhaps as an OVA special? Really disappointing not to see that animated, because as much of a head-scratcher as it is it makes the story feel like less of a pointless waste.

Overall I think watching this adaptation has made me appreciate how hard it is to improve on Mirai Nikki. I'm not saying Mirai Nikki's perfect -- very, very far from it, actually -- but over these 26 episodes there've been a lot of attempts from Asread to patch up the manga's weaker aspects, with very mixed results. Some of Asread's changes have been unambiguous improvements, but most of them have been "one step forward, two steps back" type changes...improving one thing or closing one plot hole, but at the cost of making other aspects worse or opening new plot holes.

I'm sure there's a much better "story that's like Mirai Nikki", but especially after seeing how this adaption turned out I think to be much better it'd have to be radically different. Perhaps the live-action drama will improve on it?

konart

2012-04-15, 15:37

Damn, I was waiting to see manga end animated -_-'

miketyson

2012-04-15, 15:41

konart: yeah, I think we all were...OVA if you buy the blu-rays maybe?

konart

2012-04-15, 15:47

konart: yeah, I think we all were...OVA if you buy the blu-rays maybe?

An OVA 5 minutes long? :D

KoiYuki

2012-04-15, 16:20

Aw.. I guess I don't get to listen to MC Hammer. :(

Did not like the long hair Yukki had.. he looked kinda like Minene. :heh:

Flawfinder

2012-04-15, 16:21

I prefer the anime ending because turning Yuki into an empty self-obsessed shell was the only direction I could see the story taking his character when I first read it. Pathetic wimp whose inability to mature ends up making his new powers backfire on him? Tragic hero, he is not.

Guido

2012-04-15, 17:54

I think it was inappropriate to include another of Murumuru's corner editions right after the end of the twenty-fourth episode given I'm almost reaching the end.

Now, the interesting concept about Yuki traveling into the third world or learning from the first world by Murumuru is that the travellers are referred to as copies.
This is a natural reaction of our psyche trying to process things that we would be able to digest them. However, I want to interject the best term to use would be "invader" though not exactly as in the traditional context that we know.

"Doppelganger" could be another term, but I'll stick to "invader" to make things for me smoothily to understand. The first Yuno became God in her world, realizing she couldn't resurrect her Yuki, she travel back in time creating a paradox resulting in the second world (current Yuki's world). She traversed to the second world as an "invader" to kill and replace nishume (second world) Yuno and participating in the game to spend more time with the current Yuki.

Question here is if first Yuno had Murumuru rigged the second world's Game, in order for her to make things go smoothily between her or Yuki, of if the first Murumuru took her own creative liberties with the game of the second world?

Another important concept is the title of Godhood referring to "Time and Space", because if it was God of Time alone, and alone, then Yuno going into the past and killing her own self would mean the end and destruction of her existence, referring to the "Grandfather's Paradox".
Although the time travelling issue has debatable points that can be argued and counter-argued over and over in an infinite loop.

The writers were likely washing off their hands from possible brain-wrecking and deconstruction plot-holes by reading literally into God of Time and Space, proposing that first Yuno travelling into her world of the past created a paradox that allowed the existance of her world into alternate realities or worlds, though it's never specified if said worlds are linear or multiple.
Given that parallel worlds come to exist with Yuno's crazed time & space travels, her existence as well as everyone is sustained at a universal level where her killing her other selves from the alternate worlds won't threaten the continuum of her own existence.

Of course those are my own plethorra of wild and crazy theories, and anyone else have their bunch to throw to enjoy the discussion or clearing the truth facts about the aspects and theme this show that enjoys.

What's clear is that:

Ninth survived, and she kicked ass particularly with that cool background music playing when she engaged Murumuru at the Continuum Cathedral.

Glad she survived thanks to Deus, which explains Deus putting himself in isolation void and stabbing Ninth; Minene became his failsafe and card of triumph to play in case he was no longer around by the time that Murumuru attempted to make Yuno the winner of the Game.

Now they space & time warped two years back prior to the start of the game in the third world, and things are more shed into light as to the origin of the Game.

Likely, it was Eleventh's proposal to Deus given that at that time period he's already manufacturing the original five Diaries using his infamous super-computer, the question is how Eleventh managed to contact or just to trespass into Deus' realm?
Probably, that could have been worked out with the Murumuru of the third world, but a little question begs to answer as to what happened to the Murumuru of the second world?
Did she also suffered the same fate as the Yuno of the second world?

thundrakkon

2012-04-16, 03:18

Just a thought, but couldn't Yuno have taken Yuki to the first world and live together for all of eternity?

Also, wouldn't ninth's survival negate Yuki winning in the second world?

As for the third world changes to all the diary holders, why did they change at that time? I understand 4th's change with saving his child by Minene's call. However, how did they find the bomb for Tsubaki's, 6th, parents? Also, it does not look like Minene's future change.

Well, we do know that in the 3rd world, Deus changes the game around to find a successor. A few things I notice, like Yuno 1 did not disappear when she stabbed herself. She is a god, so doesn't that mean that she can't die? Also, with the 3rd world changed around, and Yuno longing unknowingly for Yuki, could she have ended up as Deus 3's successor as well?

As for the ending, with Yuno coming to Yuki in world 2, we do not know which Yuno that is, and after 10,000 years to boot. Well, I guess as a god of space and time, you could jump to the future and the past. I'm going to hope for the best that Yuno comes and spends a lovely, dovey eternity with Yuki.

FlareKnight

2012-04-16, 04:45

So they decided to go with some vague ending instead :heh:. Can't say I didn't want the ending changed a bit from the manga, but this is even worse. All you get is some random entry saying Yuno came to see him. Way too many details left to the imagination.

The real tragic person in this story is the second Murmur. I mean she gets captured for the entire series and then has to spent 10,000 years alone with Yuki and an old manga....my god the horror! Congrats to the second world which went through Armageddon and had nothing to replace it since Yuki couldn't be bothered to do anything for 10,000 years! It's great that he loved Yuno that much, but come on man at least make a universe or something.

Congrats to Minene who now has become the mother of the next generation of super heroes :heh:! The kids can float! Now we now the mother of the third world's superman :D!

It really was a stretch as to how the lives of some of the diary users were changed. The change for Tsubaki was great considering what she had gone through, but made very little sense.

They really could have made the ending smoother. But hey we can at least assume the change over for the third world goes pretty well. No killing games please Deus.

In the end I enjoyed the series. But once more I'm left blinking at the ending.

Randrak42

2012-04-16, 05:01

Eh...well the original manga ending was always too moochy and sweet for me. It's not that I don't like happy endings but it, for me at least, didn't match well with the rest of the series. Having a bad or at least not "Everything is ok!" ending isn't always a bad choice, especially in a dark and psychological series like this.

I'll just say that I liked the anime ending more, they did basically the same thing as the manga only instead of the overly sweet scene where Yuno meets up with Yuki along with all their friends (I gagged a bit at that scene in the manga) it was just a simple message that could be interpreted in a number of ways.

Was it the best ending for the series? Well it was better than the manga, but it could be better.
Was the ending enough to satisfy me? Yes, especially compared to the manga ending.

I cannot emphasise enough how much the last couple of pages annoyed me in the manga. I actually did my best to forget the ending, leaving Yuki drifting in the void alone as the true ending in my mind. Sadly it's hard for me to forget it so having this ending in the anime helps.

PS: Before people start going on about how ridiculous it is for Yuki to go full emo mode for 10,000 years...just remember this, he became immortal, time means nothing to him so 10,000 years or a 10 minutes...to someone that doesn't age, it becomes the same thing. True the level of emo he went on was stupid but then again Yuki was always a weak minded brat and you had 26 episodes to get used to him being like that...

Sides

2012-04-16, 05:28

Final episode wasn't too bad.
Overall I enjoyed the ride. The animation saw ups and downs throughout the series, which was kind of disappointing, but considering that we did get 26 episodes, i wont judge it to harshly. Voice acting was alright, think the Yuno's voice actress did a good job, you can hear her character in different mood stages just from the audio tracks, which I can only applaud.
To be honest, even if it was an adaptation from a manga, it was one of the better series last season. It is more accessible and inviting than other shows, that started at the same time. I can really recommend this show.

KoiYuki

2012-04-16, 06:18

It really was a stretch as to how the lives of some of the diary users were changed. The change for Tsubaki was great considering what she had gone through, but made very little sense.
To be fair, Tsubaki had her parents delayed because of all the stuff Yukki/Yuno/Minene/Murmur were doing.. so that gave them time to find the car bomb or whatever the hell that was. Since Funatsu put it there, and since he was the one that caused all the terrible things to happen to her after her parents were killed, since he was caught.. it makes sense that that wouldn't happen.

SkullFaerie

2012-04-16, 06:58

AHH, I have to say, without wikipedia, as someone who hasn't read the manga, I would've found the ending really hard to understand. It makes sense if you know what happens in the manga, but if you really didn't... it's very strange.

I actually thought "Oh, but this is supposed to be the last episode. 26, right, how can they make a 27th?" for a minute because it didn't feel like an ending scene, unless you know what's happening from the manga :S

That said, not sure if the manga ending would've been preferable.

And I can't believe how cute Murmur 2 was xD Murmur 1 was always creepy, even when she was being cute...

j0x

2012-04-16, 07:25

i got curious on what are the manga pages that did not make it to the last episode of the anime and i must say the manga ending is darn better, its a happy ending for all in the manga version including a happy ending for both Yuno and Yukki

totoum

2012-04-16, 07:30

They did it!
They changed the ending I hate...Kind of.
Everything was fine before the credits,but after it looks like they didn't change the manga ending,they just teased it.
I have no idea how I'd react if I wasn't a manga reader,I'd probably be go "wtf was that about?"

But the next project is the live action drama right?
Or is it getting an anime original sequel?

D-KLAC

2012-04-16, 08:01

finally after this yea so much all things indeed most of is still ONORE DECADE yet things sorta end mix-ok of hmm?

yuki still in ball dream world gonig watch star with parents
murmur trying keep it all quite heal 3rd world yuno''s dad & tell yuno get rid of her 3rd version.
yuno looking at 3rd version of self then see she awake then tell harsh future of what could be.
then 3rd yuno said you're wrong give her parents issues one day still care.
yuno more bit confuse about she said then something happening from the dream ball.
where yuki said he can't go cause of something.
meanwhile cops arrive see damage notice someone with 3rd yuno's mom see husband.
murmur all panic tell yuno do it cause random changes.
9th all hurt see 3rd Nishijima wonder have he seen her.
more cameo of 3rd world's 6th & etc notice bomb & stop the evil person, 5th all nappy with parents together, mask 12th caught 3rd, 10th & hinata all together with dogs, big 8th get call to meet mayor 11th, 7th called to check back to nap, & mayor 11th cancel it cause he saw future being "bye-bye" with telling deus yea new idea to work.
murmur more panic to do yet yuno want yuki.
go stab but her 3rd world's dad to save block.
yuki said he got something do cause for that "female".
then yuno see her 3rd world parents together worry on 3rd yuno.
while dream world yuki's parents understand yuki must do.
then after dream world parents saying with go with heart leads.
yuno going what to do go charge 3rd world then yuki scream yuno!!!
3rd world cop shoot then yuki shout YUNO!!! to unleash 2nd murmur?!
to block bullet & save catch yuno.
yea murmur going what is 2nd world murmur who murmur lock-up in ball dream.
so grab & reveal no.1 on bandage on murmur-1.
now all look safe & well then give one more thing to do yuno stab herself to stay.
& get kiss of yuki cause of that game set yuki & murmur 2 return to their world.
give 2nd world is safe still damage give yuki bit sad.

some time later in 3rd world
9th now stuck in 3rd world see world self on the loose now with Nishijima & have kids also fly!!!
random cameos 4th cop calling Nishijima with his kid all ok, 12th visit jailed 3rd, 7th got "bun oven", happy 5th, 6th napping with parents put blanket she all happy happy, big 8th & mayor 11th on a date?! , staredown with kosuda & dog with hinata, mao, akise, & 10th, deus & murmur-3 see all hmm from other world is gone.
3rd yuno showing phone with pic family all good.
then see 3rd yuki with parents all together with female look like yuki's mom.
oh her phone now got murmur-1 on it.

back in world 2
yuki all wonder how 3rd world with murmur 2 all bored for 10000 years with long & look at phone.
then some wonder saying then show phone "new message" & light is shown?!

"next project starting!"

ok now yea after watching is all yea whole series indeed very so hmm-hmm must see dub version of it & yet it "next project" hmm i wonder could be something either continue, spin-off, etc (give live action on the way).

overall yea all this indeed so much ONORE DECADE for this yet worth a watch.

yea give watching finale now a "next project" hmm see options go

1.spin-off either mosaic or paradox
2.movie recap with new scenes
3.ova showings.
4.remaking of finale story with new scenes & added more ending (aka like final plus of seed destiny).

likely those give already live action is next so yea so much ONORE DECADE on it.

Flawfinder

2012-04-16, 09:00

Just a thought, but couldn't Yuno have taken Yuki to the first world and live together for all of eternity? I've got nothing for this one. I never considered this possibility myself.

Also, wouldn't ninth's survival negate Yuki winning in the second world? No, her phone is gone. You need the phone to be in the game.

As for the third world changes to all the diary holders, why did they change at that time? I understand 4th's change with saving his child by Minene's call. However, how did they find the bomb for Tsubaki's, 6th, parents? Is it really too hard to believe that they inspected the car due to the delay caused by Minene's flashy explosions? In fact, everybody was changed because of the explosions. Butterfly effect FTW.

Well, we do know that in the 3rd world, Deus changes the game around to find a successor. A few things I notice, like Yuno 1 did not disappear when she stabbed herself. She is a god, so doesn't that mean that she can't die? No, she lost her god powers when she changed worlds.

Also, with the 3rd world changed around, and Yuno longing unknowingly for Yuki, could she have ended up as Deus 3's successor as well? Deus has to make that decision himself.

And that's all I can answer at any rate. Personally, I like the ambiguous ending.

DarkyPwnz

2012-04-16, 09:10

Oh a...Cliffhanger. I wonder what comes next.

Randrak42

2012-04-16, 09:28

Oh a...Cliffhanger. I wonder what comes next.

Yuki wakes up in a white cushioned room and a straitjacket. He then proceeds to realize that EVERYTHING since episode 1 was all in his crazy crazy mind...with Yuno is a the patient in the next room.

Funny thing is...I wouldn't mind this ending xD

DarkyPwnz

2012-04-16, 09:54

Hey mods, will this thread stay in the current series section? Click the spoiler above for the reason I am asking this.

FlareKnight

2012-04-16, 10:46

To be fair, Tsubaki had her parents delayed because of all the stuff Yukki/Yuno/Minene/Murmur were doing.. so that gave them time to find the car bomb or whatever the hell that was. Since Funatsu put it there, and since he was the one that caused all the terrible things to happen to her after her parents were killed, since he was caught.. it makes sense that that wouldn't happen.
The only problem I had with that was how a delay would make them find a bomb. I mean who says "well we're going to be delayed....let's check our car for explosives" :heh:. Just finding the car bomb seemed flimsy.

Dextro

2012-04-16, 11:11

The only problem I had with that was how a delay would make them find a bomb. I mean who says "well we're going to be delayed....let's check our car for explosives" :heh:. Just finding the car bomb seemed flimsy.

He placed it by a tire and the driver was checking the air since he didn't have anything better to do. There, I gave you a way out. :heh:

ookamigirl

2012-04-16, 11:24

Yuno 1 & Yuno 3 heart to heart talk was kinda nice.
Yukkii in his own little world... but not for long.
The third world's diary owners fate seems to have changed.
Yuno finally offed herself, about time her madness ended.
Yukkii won.
Guess everyone got their happy ending, well, almost everyone...

TurkeyPotPie

2012-04-16, 14:35

I dropped Mirai Nikki after the first cour because I felt it had already gone off the rails by then, but I decided to marathon the second cour yesterday. Good thing I did because otherwise I don't know if I'd have finished the series. What a mess. :heh: It was compelling enough for me to plow through to the end though, despite the hilarity of some of the episodes. Lots of head shaking and laughing about how ridiculous the plot twists got. Really, I think my major complaint is that the characterizations weren't consistent. Motivations were all over the place and changed at the drop of a hat to fit the plot twists.

I think the producers did about as well as they could with the ending though. The manga ending was a total cop-out. The anime ending straddled the line between a completely dark ending and the ridiculous time-space hammer by not quite showing Yuno busting through but at least hinting at it with the audio for those that liked that ending I guess.

At least this show gave me the super moe scene with Minene handcuffed to whats-his-face and needing to take a dump. Never thought I'd find a girl with diarrhea moe. :heh:

mochichan

2012-04-16, 15:46

They changed the ending to continue the series? O_O
That's the impression I got..
maybe it's related to the live action or a paradox OVA/movie.

The ending was too vague.
Tho it was amazing how much I enjoy when Yuno die......<__<

Flawfinder

2012-04-16, 16:17

Really, I think my major complaint is that the characterizations weren't consistent. Motivations were all over the place and changed at the drop of a hat to fit the plot twists.

Of all the problems with Future Diary, I don't think inconsistent characterization should be one of them. Every time a plot twist happened or a character changes, it still felt like the characters were sticking to their roots for better or worse. Yuki was always a loser, Yuno was always insane, Eighth was always sweet, Akise was always smart, and so on and so forth.

thundrakkon

2012-04-16, 17:35

No, she lost her god powers when she changed worlds.

However, I find it inconsistent, since in the 3rd world, she realized she was the one with the powers and controlled the orbs against Yuki. She also trapped Yuki in the alternate world orb. All this, while Murmur 1 was fighting with Minene.

So as far as I can tell, at least in world 3, she did not lose her powers. Also, it would better explain why she did not disappear after she stabbed herself. She probably survived it.

Flawfinder

2012-04-16, 17:49

However, I find it inconsistent, since in the 3rd world, she realized she was the one with the powers and controlled the orbs against Yuki. She also trapped Yuki in the alternate world orb. All this, while Murmur 1 was fighting with Minene.

So as far as I can tell, at least in world 3, she did not lose her powers. Also, it would better explain why she did not disappear after she stabbed herself. She probably survived it.

She was using Deus's essence from the second world in order to do all that though. She can't use god powers on her own.

Arya

2012-04-16, 18:01

Just finished the last episode. Well, I liked it.

I liked how they gave (us) another chance to the players in some way or another, some coherently, other less :) A bittersweet end for us, because they were not the real ones. Thing that got more evident thanks to the Yuno's confrontation with the other self and her other parents.
And I liked the ending because it was consistent, there were only two ways, Yuno's looping, or Yuki's sloth, and they stuck to the latter.
The only thing (ok, not the only one) I didn't get was why Yuno3 had that memories, just to troll us? and did murmur1 get transformed in that little doll? :heh:

Giving the ending I liked the series, because honestly, yuki was the most annoying thing and only an awesome Yuno save me by dropping the series. But tastes aside, I really liked the fact that they didnt let themselves go astray, giving us some unfitting happy ending, nor half happy third world ending. That makes Yuki also consistent.
That last minute never happened :D
(Happy ending that seems to exist in the manga, but I haven't read yet the details about that).

ars89

2012-04-16, 18:02

Nice the second Murmur showed up when Yuki broke out. Like how they changed the third world. The third world turned out good. Was that really the first world Murmur alive as a keychain? Lol figures Yuki would get depressed and do nothing, like how he didn't even cut his hair. Well seems like they'll make an ova to finish it off, since they said next project.

Goty

2012-04-16, 18:32

I dropped Mirai Nikki after the first cour because I felt it had already gone off the rails by then, but I decided to marathon the second cour yesterday. Good thing I did because otherwise I don't know if I'd have finished the series. What a mess. :heh: It was compelling enough for me to plow through to the end though, despite the hilarity of some of the episodes. Lots of head shaking and laughing about how ridiculous the plot twists got. Really, I think my major complaint is that the characterizations weren't consistent. Motivations were all over the place and changed at the drop of a hat to fit the plot twists.

...

I couldn't have said it better and one must be blind to deny all that. Mirai Nikki makes Code Geass look like a coherent, nicely planned story.
Still, and even though i eventually came to hate both Yukiteru and Yuno, the series was entertaining enough to make me keep up with it weekly. So yeah, i'm pretty glad it's over but for some weird reason i don't regret watching it either.

Flawfinder

2012-04-16, 19:27

I couldn't have said it better and one must be blind to deny all that. Mirai Nikki makes Code Geass look like a coherent, nicely planned story.
Still, and even though i eventually came to hate both Yukiteru and Yuno, the series was entertaining enough to make me keep up with it weekly. So yeah, i'm pretty glad it's over but for some weird reason i don't regret watching it either.

Oh god that is so true. And speaking of Code Geass, the author of Future Diary has this new series called Big Order, which is basically Yuki with the personality of Lelouch. I am not kidding. He has the sister, the mind-controlling powers (thought not from his eyes), the smarts...Esuno Sakae is not plagiarizing, right?

Final Thoughts on Future Diary: It reminded me of Peter Jackson's early films. And I love those more than LOTR. How could I not enjoy this anime?

ChainLegacy

2012-04-16, 19:45

One thing is for sure, Yuno and Yukiteru are both entirely inept as gods of causality... even Eleventh would be better because at least he'd create something... Eighth probably was the best choice after all like her children said; even if she is some sort of bizarre subspecies of human with massive heads. :p

Flawfinder

2012-04-16, 20:01

I thought Yuki was considered the best god because he just observes. Which is pretty much what god should do. Of course, you have to create something to observe, but that's neither here nor there.

Edit: Also, I don't see how an anime sequel could work. There's not enough material to warrant anything more than an OVA. Or the author's other series, but I've said before that it's too new to adapt. Yes, Asread has done anime-only stuff, like the godawful Shuffle Memories, but I hope it doesn't do that here. Especially not to a series that didn't sell well.

MasterVampire

2012-04-16, 20:02

I just read the manga ending on wikipedia and I like that more than the anime ending.

Even though the anime ending was kinda the same they just didnt animate the very end bit.

Do you think it will be included in the bluray/dvd?
And whats with that new project thing? A anime sequel?

kk2extreme

2012-04-16, 20:24

Dr. Casey

2012-04-16, 20:28

Of all the problems with Future Diary, I don't think inconsistent characterization should be one of them. Every time a plot twist happened or a character changes, it still felt like the characters were sticking to their roots for better or worse. Yuki was always a loser, Yuno was always insane, Eighth was always sweet, Akise was always smart, and so on and so forth.

Yeah, I agree. I actually thought one of Mirai Nikki's strong points is the consistency of its characterization, and that any changes in personality were almost always believable and well-justified.

Master_Yoma

2012-04-16, 22:05

Once you get passed Yuki crying all the time he dose get cool at the end and Yuno she just so crazy and the way she kill is just so sweet it really make this bearable to watch

7.5/10 What was that at the end are they going to do a movie soon

Guardian Enzo

2012-04-17, 01:33

It was a very interesting decision by Asread to stop where they did, especially with that "next project" tease.

I always find the discussion of Mirai Nikki interesting, because it seems odd that the series has so many fans when so few seem to get what Esuno was trying to do with the series - I guess Yuno and the overall entertaining trash factor are the reasons. The very stuff people complain about - Yuki's flaws, the so-called plot holes, and the like - are the whole point. And he's actually taking on a lot of the same questions Anno Hideki did in Eva, to the point where many of the characters could be argued to be avatars to NGE counterparts (and the ending certainly ties into that).

warita

2012-04-17, 04:29

I needed a day to think about the ending.... whats the adjective that best describes it? Ridiculous? Mocking at the audience? Open ending after building up the suspense? Really I am unsure, but I sure feel screwed over.

Now, I am used to anime endings that dont leave me satisfied. I have come to expect it, because it seems to be part of what makes animes anime. But really, this beats it all.

So after all the Yuno loves Yukki and Yukki loves Yuno and how they want to save each other..... we get an ending that shows us a depressed Yukki rotting 10 000 years in some weird space.... and wait, what is that about "I wonder what happened to Yuno 3, I cant see it from here anymore".

What do you mean you cant see it? Arent you god of time and space?

My only hope is the mysterious "next project". I sure hope they dont mean the life action movie, I am very much hoping for an ova, that will show how Yuno and Yukki get together in some way or another. Also, cant Yukki just leave that place and mingle with the mortals in the real world? I would if I was him.

mechalord

2012-04-17, 05:32

OVA or sequel series about the game used to find the "Deus" for the third world. Hooks for sequel or expended ending.

- 1st Murmur is still alive
- 1st Murmur is hiding out as a charm on Third Yuno's phone
- Third Deus talks about finding a new way to choose his successor
- 1st Yuno died without a successor but it seems her Universe did not die since 1st Murmur seems to have survived.
- Yuno didn't die as a mortal. Yuno died as the Deus of the 1st dimension. We're not even sure she could have even been killed by normal methods during the second game. Only died as a contestant of second game but she was still Deus of first universe. Ninth could take a ton of punishment with only a fraction of Deus' dying power. 1st Yuno was holding back the whole time to avoid getting noticed by Deus #2. Yuno stabbed herself but she should have been able to survive it because of her Deus powers. She probably gave up on living and it that case she may not really be dead.

Manga writer and anime writers may collaborate on a new ending for series. Manga/Anime endings expanded upon, mixed together, or altered a bit.

Since 1st Yuno died a Deus... her death may not have been final. She could have gotten and "elf death" where she would awake after a long "sleep."

Her body may have perished but her soul could be resurrected unlike those of mere mortals.

Her soul may be trapped in the third universe and tr to break out. Time for Yuki may have felt like 10000 years but only a few years may have passed in the third universe. Yuki was living in an empty void... hadn't recreated his dead universe yet.

First Yuno's soul may start bleeding into Third Yuno and Yukii #2 would have to intervene.

Then 1st Yuno gets a new body. Yuki and Yuno then create a new world together... merge the voids of the first and second universes. They get the memories of their 1st and 2nd selves and they live happily ever after.

j0x

2012-04-17, 07:19

I just read the manga ending on wikipedia and I like that more than the anime ending.

i actually enjoyed the manga ending too more considering all the negative experiences they had they deserve a better ending

and i hope the next project will be 2 remake movies (that means entirely reanimated) in more concise story (it could happen :heh:)

miketyson

2012-04-17, 07:30

Guardian Enzo: half-agree, half-disagree. I'd say Sakae's main "issues" don't really overlap that much with NGE's (character similarities notwithstanding). I won't get into NGE because that conversation always goes on forever, :heh:.

For Mirai Nikki, though, the major thematic issues revolve around "fate" (scare quotes intended, see below), the limits it imposes upon individual agency, and how people opt to live in the face of those limits.

"Fate": this is a horrible term for what I'm trying to express but I can't think of a better one. I don't mean the lightweight "fate" (of the "it is your destiny to slay the dragon, young lad" variety). I mean more: the universe is a vast place with lots of moving pieces, and at times those pieces fit together in ways that reinforce each other.

IMHO it's easiest to illustrate this by example, and I'd point to the chapter wherein Yuno disrupts Yukiteru's "date" with Wakaba, and specifically the moment the teacher realizes Yuno can't go because her parents have a strict curfew. Consider Yuno's situation at that precise moment:

(1) Through no fault of her own, she wound up with abusive and controlling foster parents.
(2) Yuno does something to throw off that burden (she kills her parents, :heh:).
(3) Consequently, in point of fact, Yuno *could* go with Yukiteru after all; there's no one at home who'd enforce her curfew (:heh:)
(4) However, for numerous and obvious reasons, Yuno can't just say "yo teach, it's cool, I can go", because she can't risk discovery of her parents' deaths
(5) So she's stuck: despite her efforts to throw off her original "fate", the rest of the world fits together in a way that largely forces her to continue on a route not much different from her original "fated route"

...it's all of those "I did all this and I'm still bound by fate" moments that're really at the heart of what Mirai Nikki's trying to be about: all the ways in which the universe continues to drag you along to where it was going to take you anyways, paying scant regard to your frantic efforts to change course.

The follow-up to that moment reinforces this nicely: Yuno is yet-again unwilling to just accept that fate, but in so doing she winds up operating in a way that places her outside the bounds of human society (quite literally, here, what with the "Donnie Darko"-referencing bunny costume).

IMHO that's what MN is ultimately about: fate dealing bad hands -- and stacking the deck, too -- and how people choose to deal. There's certainly some overlap with NGE but at least for me their core concerns are worlds apart.

Or, concisely: NGE came across to me as mostly about human relationships, and used the way the characters deal with its many desperate, no-win scenarios to bring out and develop those human relationships; MN is about how people deal with desperate, no-win scenarios, and used its human relationships to bring out and develop those reactions.

Narzia

2012-04-17, 09:22

Overall I have to say I think this is one of the few adaptions that surpass the original.
Except the ending. What a strange choice to cut it off at that point.

Still, good heavens, the music in the final episode alone made it so much better.

Dr. Casey

2012-04-17, 10:43

The very stuff people complain about - Yuki's flaws, the so-called plot holes, and the like - are the whole point.

I always thought the complaints about Yuki were completely ridiculous. "God, Yuki is such a pansy! I can't believe he's so whiny and terrified all the time. You know, unlike all those other 14 year olds I know that would calmly and gracefully handle being abruptly thrust into a battle to the death against a psychotic terrorist."

warita

2012-04-17, 11:24

I always thought the complaints about Yuki were completely ridiculous. "God, Yuki is such a pansy! I can't believe he's so whiny and terrified all the time. You know, unlike all those other 14 year olds I know that would calmly and gracefully handle being abruptly thrust into a battle to the death against a psychotic terrorist."

I agree completely with you. I thought it was refreshing to see a realistically behaving teenie.

However... the ending ruined it. Is it so much to ask for a solid ending?

Kismet-chan

2012-04-17, 16:52

kitten320

2012-04-17, 17:23

I just looked through manga ending and I prefer anime one! The last bit in manga came out of nowhere and looked like one of Murmur specials! Don't like it!

This kind of depressing ending fits better.

Arya

2012-04-17, 17:57

I just thought that I'd say that from the VERY first episode (or chapter, if you read the manga first), once you saw that there was a pretty important character named Deus Ex Machina... You should've known then and there what kind of ending was going to be in store. :heh:

It was what I thought first (not right after the first episode, but early on), but the second thought I had was that they wouldn't ever stick with it through the end. And, except for the very last minute, they surprised me. In fact I found the end, or better say, this end, sad but coherent.

(I didn't read the manga, but from what I read about, the other ending was, well, not fitting? Unless it was intended as Terry Gilliam's Brazil ending).

totoum

2012-04-17, 18:07

I do find it interesting that a new project has been greenlighted.The blu ray sales weren't good so that can't be the reason,did the manga sales increase?

Dr. Casey

2012-04-17, 18:39

Anyway, I have mixed feelings about them deciding to leave out the last bit of the manga's ending scene. Part of me likes it, part of me doesn't. :S The manga version embodies what I said above, so I think I prefer it.

And the fact that the anime ending a bit early means that you got your popcorn out for no reason. :heh: I haven't read the manga, but I'm pretty sure that most of the silliest things about the ending (The hammer, mainly) that would've inspired the most lol-worthy reactions are from after where the anime stops.

Yeah, the idea of a new project sounds pretty weird to me too. A new project 'beginning' makes it sound like something that's going to span a bit of time, while I get the impression there's so little material left it would be hard to make even a single OVA from it. It might be some sort of sequel or original material, as mentioned before, which I'm down with. I loved Mirai Nikki, nothing wrong with getting some more.

Guardian Enzo

2012-04-17, 18:45

I do find it interesting that a new project has been greenlighted.The blu ray sales weren't good so that can't be the reason,did the manga sales increase?

The BD/DVD sales weren't terrible, considering seinen titles don't generally do all that well. I'm sure the manga sales received quite a kick.

totoum

2012-04-17, 19:13

The BD/DVD sales weren't terrible, considering seinen titles don't generally do all that well. I'm sure the manga sales received quite a kick.

I know what you mean by this statement but I can't resist saying that it was running in Shonen Ace.

Though Shonen Ace is definatly no Shonen Jump :heh:

Guardian Enzo

2012-04-17, 19:21

Shounen Ace is quite different from what most commonly think of as shounen... And I don't think Mirai Nikki has ever really been considered a shounen title.

Kismet-chan

2012-04-17, 22:53

And the fact that the anime ending a bit early means that you got your popcorn out for no reason. :heh: I haven't read the manga, but I'm pretty sure that most of the silliest things about the ending (The hammer, mainly) that would've inspired the most lol-worthy reactions are from after where the anime stops.

I know, right?! Man... *tosses my popcorn in frustration* D:<

lordblazer

2012-04-18, 00:40

Seems that 2012 is the year of horrific endings in pop culture.

brocko

2012-04-18, 03:36

Most horrific ending of 2012 will be when the Mayan Calendar ends. Dead End for everybody. *Badumtish* :heh: (http://instantrimshot.com/)

DarkyPwnz

2012-04-18, 07:56

I'll cry if it is just an OVA to wrap things up. I want another full season of unadulturated Yuno-ness.

Edit from the future: I just read the last chapter of the manga, please not just an OVA explaining that, but rather a full season.

Malkuth

2012-04-18, 08:09

Like the manga... started interesting, became a joke, and ended boring :(

I thought Yuki was considered the best god because he just observes. Which is pretty much what god should do. Of course, you have to create something to observe, but that's neither here nor there.

Should? Is there a cosmic rulebook about divine ethics :rolleyes:

I always thought the complaints about Yuki were completely ridiculous. "God, Yuki is such a pansy! I can't believe he's so whiny and terrified all the time. You know, unlike all those other 14 year olds I know that would calmly and gracefully handle being abruptly thrust into a battle to the death against a psychotic terrorist."

Teens do even more stupid things, just search for "fail" in YouTube ;)

I do find it interesting that a new project has been greenlighted.The blu ray sales weren't good so that can't be the reason,did the manga sales increase?

So I can still hope for a hentai with Minene, Tsubaki and Rea :heh:

Flawfinder

2012-04-18, 10:11

Should? Is there a cosmic rulebook about divine ethics :rolleyes:

Actually, that was the reason Deus favored Yuki in the first episode. He even said as such. Then again, Deus isn't exactly the greatest God in the world, so his word isn't exactly much to go on.

Dist

2012-04-19, 07:27

Wtf was with that end? I'm seriously disappointed now. Looking at Wikipedia reveals what was supposed to happen in the end, but instead they decided to cut it short like that? If you're gonna run out of time, then give us a 27 episode series instead :frustrated:

Even more disappointing if their new project is just an OVA of Mirai Nikki that reveals what happens in the end. Because what happens in the end is not enough of a material to create episode from.

kitten320

2012-04-19, 08:09

Why everyone are so stuck on manga ED? I think it really sucked...

Since anime is over, I guess spoilers are fine:
When Yuno all of a sudden knocked the 4th wall with a hammer I was like "WTF? Just how much dumber could it get?!"
If author wanted to bring the two together then do it better! Instead it looked like some random special! Besides it is 10, 000 years in the future! How the hell is she still alive?!

The most unreasonable, childish and dumb ending I have EVER seen! Even fanfics could do better!

All of you who are moaning about anime ending are most likely huge Yuno and Yuno/Yukki fanatics.

The anime ending works perfectly! The whole point of the game was to kill everyone so obviously you will end up alone. Left in solitude is a perfect ending for murderers. Yukki was the most retreaded one. Blindly following everyone and having almost no opinion of his own. Being easily fooled and then randomly killing everyone who stands in his way. He deserved what he got. In the end only one survivor could stay, Yuno does not fit here.

KoiYuki

2012-04-19, 09:10

When Yuno all of a sudden knocked the 4th wall with a hammer I was like "WTF? Just how much dumber could it get?!"
If author wanted to bring the two together then do it better! Instead it looked like some random special! Besides it is 10, 000 years in the future! How the hell is she still alive?!

World 3 was not 10,000 years into the future, only world 2 was. Don't ask me how that's supposed to work.

totoum

2012-04-19, 09:18

The anime ending works perfectly! The whole point of the game was to kill everyone so obviously you will end up alone. Left in solitude is a perfect ending for murderers. Yukki was the most retreaded one. Blindly following everyone and having almost no opinion of his own. Being easily fooled and then randomly killing everyone who stands in his way. He deserved what he got. In the end only one survivor could stay, Yuno does not fit here.

Except that the anime hints at Yuko coming at the very end (Yuki's cell phone says "Yuno is coming" and you hear Yuno cry his name) even if it doesn't show how it's going to happen,so the anime ending isn't really a "forever alone" one.It isn't that different from the manga

kitten320

2012-04-19, 09:18

All the worlds are going parallel to each other so the time is supposed to be the same in each world.

World 2 and 3 were created only because Yuno time traveled back into the past by 1 year. If there is any kind of time difference then it's 1-2 years but not 10 000 years.

That ending is illogical and stupid.

Except that the anime hints at Yuko coming at the very end (Yuki's cell phone says "Yuno is coming" and you hear Yuno cry his name) even if it doesn't show how it's going to happen,so the anime ending isn't really a "forever alone" one.

It was hinted in Yuno's scene that she might remember everything too so I prefer to leave it at that with people coming up with their own versions instead of a huge hammer that we got in manga. Totally childish. Even fanfics could do better.

Godlike1889

2012-04-20, 02:18

Whohoho hoo someone's one fire :D I like it

Suzumiya Haruhi

2012-04-22, 00:26

So Second World Yuki essentially gets to deflower two Yunos after losing his, while First Yuki got to mingle with one without losing his virginity because that Yuno screwed him over.

While Third Yuki is stuck with boring ol' Wakaba.

Lols were had.

And what the hell is Third World Nishijima going to do with Third World Minene after he catches her? Threesome?

bigdeath

2012-04-22, 01:05

According to wikipedia:

Despite his new title and powers, Yuki is so devastated by Yuno's death that he is unable to do anything but stare at his diary's final entry--"Yuno died."--and mourn her loss. After 10,000 years of mourning in the void of his post-apocalyptic universe, Yuki is shocked when the spacetime of his universe shatters and reveals a passageway to the third universe, created through the joint efforts of the Muru Muru of the third universe, the Muru Muru of the first universe, and the Yuno of the third universe. The Yuno of the third universe recognizes Yuki, reveals that she has the same memories as the Yuno from the first universe (courtesy of the Muru Muru of the first universe), and invites Yuki into the third universe so that they can finally be together. The Deus of the third universe calls off the Diary game and makes Yuki and Yuno his heirs, and Yuki is reunited with Yuno in the new, happier universe.

If only the anime had give us this ending.....its a decent one and I'd accept it as a crazy but sweet ending to a batshit insane anime

thundrakkon

2012-04-22, 01:13

... If only the anime had give us this ending.....its a decent one and I'd accept it as a crazy but sweet ending to a batshit insane anime

Wow, that was actually not a bad ending at all. If that was the manga ending, I wonder why it caused so much unrest among the readers.

MasterVampire

2012-04-22, 03:36

If only the anime had give us this ending.....its a decent one and I'd accept it as a crazy but sweet ending to a batshit insane anime

Yeah it would of been nice but its still kinda the same since at the end of the anime his phone changes and shows that Yuno comes to visit him in the empty world. They just didnt show the actuall scene.

klare

2012-04-22, 11:00

so after u beat all the other diary owners, win the game and become god, your reward is losing the person u love most and stuck with Murmur in a destroyed world? this is the first time i pity Yukkii...

this show has many issues but somehow i was able to finished it while even enjoyed it, Yuno is the biggest reason, a spectacular eps 1 also helped

kitten320

2012-04-22, 11:43