Hidan no Aria - Episode 4 Discussion / Poll

[Solace]

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[Yui Is My Wife]

It almost seems that JC Staff was deliberately playing it low-key for the first 2 and a half episodes to save money for the TRULY jaw-dropping action sequences.

But boy oh boy was it money well saved and even better spent when Aria-chan and Riko-chan's heart-pounding and bone-shattering Gun-Kata battle exploded onto the screen!!

Well worth the wait and truly worthy of the same studio that gave us the battle between Kamijou Touma and Accelerator, a landmark event in Early 21st Century Anime.

Well Done, JC Staff. You may have faltered with most of Index 2 and Ookami San (both still extremely entertaining and fun) but you're back in good from once more!! :) 10 Stars out of 10!!

[frubam]

It almost seems that JC Staff was deliberately playing it low-key for the first 2 and a half episodes to save money for the TRULY jaw-dropping action sequences.

But boy oh boy was it money well saved and even better spent when Aria-chan and Riko-chan's heart-pounding and bone-shattering Gun-Kata battle exploded onto the screen!!

Well worth the wait and truly worthy of the same studio that gave us the battle between Kamijou Touma and Accelerator, a landmark event in Early 21st Century Anime.

I dunno, while the choreography was good, the animation wasn't that impressive to me =0\. It just wasn't fluid enough for the most part, esp compared to Touma vs Accel. Well, I guess it's impressive given it's animation style (>.>).

So we have a Lupin and a Holmes. Where's Zenigata at when you need him(her) :heh:?

[Konakaga]

This episode made me regain some faith for J.C. to give me hope that this series will at least turn out to be good[and better than merry] as this was the best episode so far 9/10 for action and the Riko plot-twist I really didn't see that coming, though I am wondering how the resolution to the fight is going to happen with Aria down.

[yongshun]

Okay the fighting is seriously reminding me of the movie Equilibrium.

[Essa Maneira]

Okay the fighting is seriously reminding me of the movie Equilibrium.

literally is... the gun became a melee weapon. :D
whats hidden on Riko's head? its glowing red. i'm sure its a long melee weapon

[Nvis]

So Kinji is Watson?

[Xacual]

So Kinji is Watson?

Technically he isn't but Riko decided to put him into that role to give Aria a partner. He's the descendant of a different fictional / real person.

[zero7090]

for this ep there are 2 rating

- 1 rating using the mindlesss fanservice otaku zombie criteria which give it a 9/10
- 1 rating using normal human being criteria, this ep will have prolly about 2/10 or 3/10

this ep is sooo baaaaaaddddddd.

First of all you suspect a bomb on a plane and yet you let it fly without notice the authority, police or at least the security guard? OMFG it is a freaking plane not a bicycle not a bus, when things go bad it can go boom boom boom with explosion everywhere like in the Hollywood movies.
Then you swallow the whole bullock that there is a magical button for the fly captain to press and the plane will automatically take you to the destination? Please at least use you brain for once.
And for the combat scene, holyshit i cant believe trained military personnel can be this unprofessional. Engage in a gunfight on a plane is really facepalm unless it is the air force one. Then you got the blade on the hostile neck and just freaking stand like an useless piece of crap?

Let hope the next ep, they wont start with both side throwing hand grenade at each other.

[Konakaga]

First of all you suspect a bomb on a plane and yet you let it fly without notice the authority, police or at least the security guard? OMFG it is a freaking plane not a bicycle not a bus, when things go bad it can go boom boom boom with explosion everywhere like in the Hollywood movies.

Riko[nor anything/anyone else] never mentioned having a bomb on the plane :rolleyes:, she taunted them out instead of using a threat because she knew what their goal was, I mean Riko maybe crazy, but she isn't stupid :heh:. Hence wouldn't put a bomb on a plane since it leaves her with no way out.

Then you swallow the whole bullock that there is a magical button for the fly captain to press and the plane will automatically take you to the destination? Please at least use you brain for once.

Riko just probably didn't even really hijack the flight since her disguise would allow to use the speaker without doing that, meaning the captain is still probably piloting it and she never actually told the captain to stop the flight like Kinji asked, thus it was a lie about being unable to stop it.

[Jarmel]

It almost seems that JC Staff was deliberately playing it low-key for the first 2 and a half episodes to save money for the TRULY jaw-dropping action sequences.

But boy oh boy was it money well saved and even better spent when Aria-chan and Riko-chan's heart-pounding and bone-shattering Gun-Kata battle exploded onto the screen!!

Well worth the wait and truly worthy of the same studio that gave us the battle between Kamijou Touma and Accelerator, a landmark event in Early 21st Century Anime.

Well Done, JC Staff. You may have faltered with most of Index 2 and Ookami San (both still extremely entertaining and fun) but you're back in good from once more!! :) 10 Stars out of 10!!


You're joking, the choreography was ok. Nowhere near the best I've seen by a very long shot.

[Cosmic Eagle]

for this ep there are 2 rating

- 1 rating using the mindlesss fanservice otaku zombie criteria which give it a 9/10
- 1 rating using normal human being criteria, this ep will have prolly about 2/10 or 3/10


Very enlightening......:rolleyes:

[Triple_R]

The first two episodes of this anime didn't do much for me, but Episodes 3 and 4 have been largely excellent, and very entertaining watches.

I make a distinction here between "broad strokes" elements, and "details". On the broad strokes elements, I love Episode 4.

Here's why:

1. Really loved the scene between Aria and her mother. I found that pretty touching. Made Aria's character much more likable and understandable for me.

2. Sherlock Holmes' great-granddaughter fighting against Lupin's great-granddaughter. Really cool concept. I'd have preferred Moriarty as the great-grandfather of the villain myself, but this is still a very cool concept.

3. How the main romance of this anime is developing. It seems pretty fresh and different to me. Lots of unexpected twists and turns here I find.


These three broad strokes, combined with very solid action scenes and nice artwork, made this episode an entertaining and rewarding watch for me.


That being said, some of the specific details are a bit hard to follow, and there are some details that just don't make sense (particularly given how this is, yes, an airplane that we're talking about here).


Still, this is an enjoyable watch on the whole, and it has that action flick blockbuster feel to it, and so I'm willing to cut it some slack, as those always require some suspension of disbelief.


8/10 overall for Episode 4. I'm looking forward to Episode 5. This anime reminds me of how much I miss Shakugan no Shana.

[Marcus H.]

Now that Shakugan no Shana is mentioned, I can't help but compare Aria's defeat in the hands of Riko with Shana's defeat with Margery Daw... although Shana is clearly underclassed by a 400-year old Flame Haze.

I find that the storytelling has improved by a large amount, getting the right atmosphere for both both sad and suspense-filled scenes. Yeah, the gunkata is not at the league of Index's fight between Touma and Accelerator, but it is still decent.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Did the novel mention what gun (or rather, guns) did Riko use in this fight?

[SilverSyko]

Riko uses two Walther pistols.

As for blades, she just uses two generic combat knives. No specific type given.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Riko uses two Walther pistols.

Walther? Isn't that the James Bond gun?


As for blades, she just uses two generic combat knives. No specific type given.

They look similar to Aria's own.

[Xacual]

Walther? Isn't that the James Bond gun?

They look similar to Aria's own.

Aria uses two Kodachi.

[SilverSyko]

Walther? Isn't that the James Bond gun?

It's the handgun that Bond's known for carrying the most often yes.

If you want a specific model Riko's is the Walther P99, a rather recent model.


They look similar to Aria's own.

Aria uses two kodachi as her blades of choice.

http://apcmag.com/system/files/images/kodachi.body-thumbnail.jpg

They're considered "short blade katanas". Combat knives still have a shorter blade than that.

[Icy.Tear]

for this ep there are 2 rating

- 1 rating using the mindlesss fanservice otaku zombie criteria which give it a 9/10
- 1 rating using normal human being criteria, this ep will have prolly about 2/10 or 3/10

this ep is sooo baaaaaaddddddd.

First of all you suspect a bomb on a plane and yet you let it fly without notice the authority, police or at least the security guard? OMFG it is a freaking plane not a bicycle not a bus, when things go bad it can go boom boom boom with explosion everywhere like in the Hollywood movies.
Then you swallow the whole bullock that there is a magical button for the fly captain to press and the plane will automatically take you to the destination? Please at least use you brain for once.
And for the combat scene, holyshit i cant believe trained military personnel can be this unprofessional. Engage in a gunfight on a plane is really facepalm unless it is the air force one. Then you got the blade on the hostile neck and just freaking stand like an useless piece of crap?

Let hope the next ep, they wont start with both side throwing hand grenade at each other.

Ahahaha...

Who said there was a bomb on the plane?

OMG MAGICAL BUTTON AUTOPILOT? HAX!

You're right. The trained army personnel should hide behind the bar while the deranged psychopath respects weapon and safety rules.

Butei Law article 9: Regardless of the situation, a Butei cannot kill. Otherwise, Armed Prosecutors will start dropping from the sky and kick your ass.

[zero7090]

Riko[nor anything/anyone else] never mentioned having a bomb on the plane :rolleyes:, she taunted them out instead of using a threat because she knew what their goal was, I mean Riko maybe crazy, but she isn't stupid :heh:. Hence wouldn't put a bomb on a plane since it leaves her with no way out.

Riko just probably didn't even really hijack the flight since her disguise would allow to use the speaker without doing that, meaning the captain is still probably piloting it and she never actually told the captain to stop the flight like Kinji asked, thus it was a lie about being unable to stop it.

- We had 3 incidents in the past and all of them have some things blew up. So this time the culprit is bored with explosive and will use other stuffs? and if he can make a wireless controlled devices to ride a car surely he would not forget to bring a chute.

- Yeah, when i said "use your brain" it was mean to the main char. It is so obvious that the flight attendant is lying.

You're right. The trained army personnel should hide behind the bar while the deranged psychopath respects weapon and safety rules.
It is a 2v1 close range combat, not some kind of texas cowboy duel. In additional, they got a knife and 2 katanas.

Butei Law article 9: Regardless of the situation, a Butei cannot kill. Otherwise, Armed Prosecutors will start dropping from the sky and kick your ass. This is new to me. So for what purpose did the main char put his knife blade on the hostile throat while his parter already locked the hostile hands? Threatening for permanently disable the hostile while still regard the butei law article 9?
If he want to follow that article then as a trained personnel, he/they should already pinned the hostile down or knock her out rather than talking about unnecessary things. When FBI bang your door the first thing they do in tackle you down, not showing you a warrant.

[Icy.Tear]

I guess.

You should work for the police, your lie detection skills appear to be flawless <3

Guns > Katanas.

She hadn't locked the offender's hands, rather, at 0-distance, it's slightly hard to fire at the person clinching you. Of course, how would you suggest he subdue her there and then, body slam the two of them? Get Riko in a choke?

[Cosmic Eagle]

- We had 3 incidents in the past and all of them have some things blew up. So this time the culprit is bored with explosive and will use other stuffs? and if he can make a wireless controlled devices to ride a car surely he would not forget to bring a chute.

- Yeah, when i said "use your brain" it was mean to the main char. It is so obvious that the flight attendant is lying.


It is a 2v1 close range combat, not some kind of texas cowboy duel. In additional, they got a knife and 2 katanas.

This is new to me. So for what purpose did the main char put his knife blade on the hostile throat while his parter already locked the hostile hands? Threatening for permanently disable the hostile while still regard the butei law article 9?
If he want to follow that article then as a trained personnel, he/they should already pinned the hostile down or knock her out rather than talking about unnecessary things. When FBI bang your door the first thing they do in tackle you down, not showing you a warrant.

So according to you the best option to do when facing someone with a gun is to rush them with your blade....

[zero7090]

I guess.

You should work for the police, your lie detection skills appear to be flawless <3

Guns > Katanas.

She hadn't locked the offender's hands, rather, at 0-distance, it's slightly hard to fire at the person clinching you. Of course, how would you suggest he subdue her there and then, body slam the two of them? Get Riko in a choke?

It is like chanting Quran when you are about to meet obama. No need for rocket science for that.

from an assault class butei, i would expect a blow to the chin or the ear, temporary stun the hostile and make it easier to tackle her down.

So according to you the best option to do when facing someone with a gun is to rush them with your blade....

if you are 1m away and wearing a bullet proof vest and holding a pistol and melee weapon then yes.

[Icy.Tear]

I'm sorry, not everybody can memorize the Quran that quickly. Don't look down on us non-geniuses : (

And actually, Kinji's pretty useless in his non HSS. He has some training, but he's still pretty useless. Shiranui probably outclasses him heavily.

I suppose that that's what you'd do in a plane then. If you had a pistol and a sword and were wearing a bulletproof vest, you would disregard personal safety and rush to them with a sword without bothering to use your pistol ^^

And someone enlighten me as to why using a pistol in a plane is a bad idea. Differing air pressures? That's been disproven. Unless you're afraid that the bullet is going to make its way through metal walls to reach the engine/fuel tank.

[zero7090]

I suppose that that's what you'd do in a plane then. If you had a pistol and a sword and were wearing a bulletproof vest, you would disregard personal safety and rush to them with a sword without bothering to use your pistol ^^

And someone enlighten me as to why using a pistol in a plane is a bad idea. Differing air pressures? That's been disproven. Unless you're afraid that the bullet is going to make its way through metal walls to reach the engine/fuel tank.

for a close quarters combat fight between 2 trained personnels vs a hostile who have history of blowing up things, a knife and quick actions have more advantages than a 10m range gunfight.

bullets spamming in a commercial plane is bad idea because like you said, bullets can hit the fuel tank causing explosion. Also it can make some holes in the wall or glass windows which dont really bring the plane down but if it is flying at low attitude, but the low oxygen level will make the fight hilarious.

[Icy.Tear]

Pistols are most effective up to 8m. Which means they're meant for fights in close quarters.

And, low oxygen level...Hooray for instant diffusion through 9mm holes.

[Konakaga]

- We had 3 incidents in the past and all of them have some things blew up. So this time the culprit is bored with explosive and will use other stuffs? and if he can make a wireless controlled devices to ride a car surely he would not forget to bring a chute.

She used bombs when was efficient for goal while being on an airplane it doesn't help her goal at all, so it wouldn't make sense to assume she's using a bomb, since her goal is specifically to defeat Aria and her partner, Kinji, in combat herself in order to prove herself better than her grandfather so she can be recognized as "Riko" rather than "the 4th". Thus killing them by blowing up the plane would not only fail to achieve her goal, but would possible make it become impossible if Aria died from it.

- Yeah, when i said "use your brain" it was mean to the main char. It is so obvious that the flight attendant is lying.


Well I don't think his authority as a butei would allow to go to the captain personally, and I didn't see it being that obvious that she was lying :uhoh:.

[Essa Maneira]

Riko said a french phrase to Kinji: Je t'aime à Croquer, means..
"I want to eat you", i know that her VA said that word very clearly... :heh:

[Marcus H.]

^ I translated it as "I love you so much I can eat you here right now. <3" :heh:

[Cosmic Eagle]

It is like chanting Quran when you are about to meet obama. No need for rocket science for that.

from an assault class butei, i would expect a blow to the chin or the ear, temporary stun the hostile and make it easier to tackle her down.



if you are 1m away and wearing a bullet proof vest and holding a pistol and melee weapon then yes.

And the vest will protect your head how? You don't know if the opponent has a killing intention.

A pistol raised to someone's forehead is more dangerous than holding a knife or short sword and standing some distance away.



bullets spamming in a commercial plane is bad idea because like you said, bullets can hit the fuel tank causing explosion. Also it can make some holes in the wall or glass windows which dont really bring the plane down but if it is flying at low attitude, but the low oxygen level will make the fight hilarious.

The threat of that happening is low enough that using a gun is not discounted. Air marshals and security officers on flights all use firearms.

A plane is big....some bullet holes in the fuselage won't suddenly vent all the air out. The fuel tanks are in the wings....chances of a round hitting there are minimal.

[Chaos2Frozen]

bullets spamming in a commercial plane is bad idea because like you said, bullets can hit the fuel tank causing explosion. Also it can make some holes in the wall or glass windows which dont really bring the plane down but if it is flying at low attitude, but the low oxygen level will make the fight hilarious.

Erm, do you happen to see a fuel tank anywhere? Also, a 9mm bullet can't even penetrate a propane tank, let alone a heavy duty fuel tank of a plane protected by very clever people who design it so to prevent stuff like it from happening.

And what? Do you know how big a plane is? Or how small a 9mm round is? Do you know how long it would take to deplete the entire cabin?

Oh yeah to answer something earlier, yes Modern day auto pilot technology is so advance that it could practically fly itself, assuming nothing goes wrong midway, the pilot could in fact just press one button, this is not science fiction technology anymore.

[Malkuth]

how small a 9mm round is?

9mm :rolleyes:

[zero7090]

that why i said bullet spamming that empty the whole round, not a double tap or 2 into the abdomen or thighs to disable the hostile. And as i count Aria fired about 20 shoots, Riko should be about the same.

Oh yeah to answer something earlier, yes Modern day auto pilot technology is so advance that it could practically fly itself, assuming nothing goes wrong midway, the pilot could in fact just press one button, this is not science fiction technology anymore. ground check, take off, climb and landing are always handled manually period

[Haak]

2. Sherlock Holmes' great-granddaughter fighting against Lupin's great-granddaughter. Really cool concept. I'd have preferred Moriarty as the great-grandfather of the villain myself, but this is still a very cool concept.

You know I take back what I said about that being stupid. That does sound pretty cool...

[Cosmic Eagle]

that why i said bullet spamming that empty the whole round, not a double tap or 2 into the abdomen or thighs to disable the hostile. And as i count Aria fired about 20 shoots, Riko should be about the same.

ground check, take off, climb and landing are always handled manually period

yes but of course the opponent is going to be doing the same to you from that kind of close range so it's not like shooting to disable is going to be a simple affair...

[zero7090]

She used bombs when was efficient for goal while being on an airplane it doesn't help her goal at all, so it wouldn't make sense to assume she's using a bomb, since her goal is specifically to defeat Aria and her partner, Kinji, in combat herself in order to prove herself better than her grandfather so she can be recognized as "Riko" rather than "the 4th". Thus killing them by blowing up the plane would not only fail to achieve her goal, but would possible make it become impossible if Aria died from it.

how about killing them then blow up the plane as the icing on the cake?

[Icy.Tear]

Aru=Kata is all about redirecting the opponent's line of fire. The entire concept is about forcing a miss or dodging.

[Cosmic Eagle]

how about killing them then blow up the plane as the icing on the cake?

She wasn't aiming to kill......since she could have put a round into Aria's head.

[Chaos2Frozen]

9mm :rolleyes:

...Well done, Commander.


ground check, take off, climb and landing are always handled manually period

Once again foiled by mythbusters in their plane special where they revealed that modern auto pilot can in fact land a plane should the pilot and copilot be rended 'unavailable'.

[FlareKnight]

for a close quarters combat fight between 2 trained personnels vs a hostile who have history of blowing up things, a knife and quick actions have more advantages than a 10m range gunfight.

bullets spamming in a commercial plane is bad idea because like you said, bullets can hit the fuel tank causing explosion. Also it can make some holes in the wall or glass windows which dont really bring the plane down but if it is flying at low attitude, but the low oxygen level will make the fight hilarious.Memory might be off, but didn't the MythBusters also take on shooting a fuel tank with bullets? I'm pretty sure they proved that unless you shoot the fuel tank with incendiary ammo that nothing is going to happen. Now of course hitting the tanks will cause the plane to start losing fuel which is bad, but pretty sure it won't actually explode.
Once again foiled by mythbusters in their plane special where they revealed that modern auto pilot can in fact land a plane should the pilot and copilot be rended 'unavailable'.Wow those mythbusters are just handling everything for Hidan no Aria aren't they :D.

[Marcus H.]

They do anything, for science!

[zero7090]

Once again foiled by mythbusters in their plane special where they revealed that modern auto pilot can in fact land a plane should the pilot and copilot be rended 'unavailable'.

i never knew science is advanced that auto pilot system on every airliner can auto config itself, interact with the air traffic control tower and self-check everything.

Memory might be off, but didn't the MythBusters also take on shooting a fuel tank with bullets? I'm pretty sure they proved that unless you shoot the fuel tank with incendiary ammo that nothing is going to happen. Now of course hitting the tanks will cause the plane to start losing fuel which is bad, but pretty sure it won't actually explode. well they tested about explosive decompression on a pressurised standstill aircraft at sea level pressure so i would take their results with a pinch of salts.

[Cosmic Eagle]

i never knew science is advanced that auto pilot system on every airliner can auto config itself, interact with the air traffic control tower and self-check everything.

well they tested about explosive decompression on a pressurised standstill aircraft at sea level pressure so i would take their results with a pinch of salts.

For explosive decompression to occur the surrounding skin of the aircraft would have to be weak enought that it tears....

Since the Comet crashes people have been working to improve that flaw....

9mm holes won't have such major risks when weighed against the greater threat of the intruder. Else why do law enforcement still equip their men with guns on flights

[larethian]

zero7090 dear, all I have to say is that this is a fiction with some element of fantasy, though your discussions have been interesting. :D

and it's tons better than IS imo :D

oh well, rather than the situational stuff, the 2km x 500m island is the only thing that has been bothering me so far. and I'm wondering whether the somewhat unrealistic small campus was given such dimensions in the first place so that it can cater to certain events wwwwww!

[Dahak86]

and it's tons better than IS imo :D

but not as successful, apparently. :uhoh:

[tsunade666]

i never knew science is advanced that auto pilot system on every airliner can auto config itself, interact with the air traffic control tower and self-check everything.



The current technology can though dependent on the weather. Not sure on harsh weather but on clear weather it's enough to use autopilot though there are a marginal of error so pilots are still require to rise and land the plane.

Plus the plane Aria boards with isn't your ordinary plane. It's plane for royals and nobles of England. Classy airplane have more stable than your classy one for VIP purposes.

[Konakaga]

how about killing them then blow up the plane as the icing on the cake?

Give her attitude Riko would want Aria and Kinji dead or alive, but she would need their remains as proof of feat, so again I don't see any reason for her to use a bomb, especially since the group she working with "EU" is likely in europe[where the flight is headed] who would to see the proof of her victory, so stopping it seems counterproductive :heh:, since she isn't the type who blows something up for fun , but as part of a plan :uhoh:. I find it unlikely she'd bomb the plane after "just because" again, she's psycho but logical :p.

[dragon132004]

WoW... Did Hidan no Aria finally get a Subforum? COOL

[Lord of Fire]

Gotta love it how people argue the science of this anime with urban myths.

Explosive decompression from firing bullets through a plane fuselage? Only happens in Hollywood movies. Unless the gun you use is capable of firing rockets, it's not gonna happen.

Bullets tearing through a fuel tank, igniting it? Kerosene is less flammable than gasoline, because it's more viscose and doesn't form fuel vapors that easily, making ignition harder. And a mere bullet is not enough to ignite the fuel in the first place. Hollywood =/= facts, people should know that by now.

Close quarter combat between an unarmed person and a gun wielder. It is possible to subdue an armed person without using any weapon, but you need to know a human's weak spots (there's one right behind and below the ear) to properly subdue him and unless you know what you're doing, it's not worth the risk. I assume Kinji stopped following most of the Butei lessons, so even if he knew, I doubt he could successfully overpower Riko.

And wearing a body armor will still inflict a lot of pain on you if you get shot, and the closer you are, the more painful it will be. Now, we know Aria will survive being shot at point blank range (because she's the main character, so expect the bullet to barely miss her heart – if it penetrated at all), but I also think it will shake her up for a bit before she can get back on her feet.

And as said, would Riko really risk being trapped on a plane with a bomb, with no way out (assuming she didn't bring a parachute with her)? I doubt it. Especially when she never mentioned there being a bomb in the first place.

[Kismet-chan]

Just wanted to put it out there: anyone who didn't see Riko being evil coming is... I just feel for you. I mean, really. Talk about "seeing it coming from miles away".

[tsunade666]

I didn't see Riko as the culprit at all so when she revealed it. it just got hit me though I got suspicions from the event in the club where she give info on Kinji but before that. I don't have a clue at all.

[Kismet-chan]

It might've been hard to figure out exactly WHAT she was doing/who she was, but I meant that the fact that she had any kind of hidden nefarious intentions at ALL should've been painfully obvious. Characters like her almost always immediately raise the "this person is secretly bad/is gonna turn bad" flag.

Just my opinion, of course.

[frubam]

Heh, that Aria/Rika gunfight reminded me of that good ol' Grenaider fight in the last ep(the few seconds of melee anyways (>.>)):

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It might've been hard to figure out exactly WHAT she was doing/who she was, but I meant that the fact that she had any kind of hidden nefarious intentions at ALL should've been painfully obvious. Characters like her almost always immediately raise the "this person is secretly bad/is gonna turn bad" flag.

Just my opinion, of course.

I can understand that line of thought as you watched this episode, but I don't see how you(or others) could figure out beforehand with only what they showed in the previous 3 episodes. She did not exhibit any signs of her 'true' self, and only showed herself as a cheerful, but highly informative girl who likes gothic lolita games. There may have been a clue or two, like the changing of the clocks as a result of Rika handing Kinji the arcade ticket, but there was no proof of any motive that would link her as the one responsible for the recent Butei killer encounters.

[Dahak86]

aah, that good ol' Grenadier fight... truly unforgettable. :heh:

way better than the Aria vs Riko gunfight by a good margin. :p

[tsunade666]

aah, that good ol' Grenadier fight... truly unforgettable. :heh:

way better than the Aria vs Riko gunfight by a good margin. :p

Aria and Riko only loose on the size. Man talking about great use of air space hammer.

But still the best gun fight for me is in Aria but in later volumes.

[Haak]

Riko's reveal kinda reminded me of Kyoko's reveal from Kore Wa Zombie Desuka?...

[FlareKnight]

I have to agree that there were hardly serious signs of evil behind Riko before this episode. Yeah her behaviour at the start of this episode definitely screamed suspicious. Before this episode there wasn't much to suspect with her.

We saw her give info about Aria to Kinji, well she is in the investigation group and Kinji asked her to get the intel for him. She didn't like the sequels, well thinking some sequels are an insult to the original is actually right at times :heh:. Her trying to push at Kinji and Aria getting together was hardly evil, just could have thought they looked good together. Maybe the sign of her evil was the horrifying habit of altering her school uniform :heh:.

Certainly this isn't the first time a cheerful person has been hiding things, but her having that kind of personality didn't mean she was going to be a villain.

[judasmartel]

If Riko is Lupin IV, and we already have Lupin III, then...

[Kismet-chan]

I can understand that line of thought as you watched this episode, but I don't see how you(or others) could figure out beforehand with only what they showed in the previous 3 episodes. She did not exhibit any signs of her 'true' self, and only showed herself as a cheerful, but highly informative girl who likes gothic lolita games. There may have been a clue or two, like the changing of the clocks as a result of Rika handing Kinji the arcade ticket, but there was no proof of any motive that would link her as the one responsible for the recent Butei killer encounters.

Perhaps I'm just better attuned to these kinds of things than most? *Shrugs* Everyone's different. Plus, like I said, I didn't say the fact that she was linked with the Butei Killer stuff was obvious (it wasn't). I said just the fact that she has ill-intentions at all (regardless of what they were exactly) seemed obvious to me. But like I just said above, everyone's different. Not everyone's going to see the same thing, let alone are they trained is trained to spot these kinds of stereotypes in narrative like I am. I often forget that. XD

[tsunade666]

Riko's reveal kinda reminded me of Kyoko's reveal from Kore Wa Zombie Desuka?...

Kyoko was hard to understand too at first but when it shows the hospital scene. It gives the clue away. But the conclusion episode was different from the hospital scene.

Here Riko did show signs that he was often around when Kinji is around but I don't see that as a problem at all. This episode or rather the scene in the club where Riko and Kinji are talking are the only clear clues. Plus the conclusion that she is the butei killer is in the same episodes.

That shows lack of foreshadowing thus making it a bit surprising.

[Haak]

Yeah I also saw Kyoko's reveal coming aswell since there were hints to it. I'm not sure what to make of Riko's reveal. I certainly didn't see it coming but I didn't see anything that would suggest she actually had ill intentions. I mean she flirted with Kinji in this episode but even then I thought it was nothing since i could barely remember what she was like before and thought this was normal for her or something.

[Dahak86]

well, I immediately thought of her as weird/suspicious since when she stated she dislikes sequels. (clearly the girl has never heard of bad prequels) :heh:
and then, seeing her flirting with kinji just confirmed my suspect. (i.e. she's messy, though in a good way) :heh:

something just told me the "killer" had to be a girl... :rolleyes:

[tsunade666]

I suspect her to be just flirty type of girl -_- not a killer. Or maybe the smile of a cute girl are just their weapon to hide their sadistic side.

[frubam]

Perhaps I'm just better attuned to these kinds of things than most? *Shrugs* Everyone's different. Plus, like I said, I didn't say the fact that she was linked with the Butei Killer stuff was obvious (it wasn't). I said just the fact that she has ill-intentions at all (regardless of what they were exactly) seemed obvious to me. But like I just said above, everyone's different. Not everyone's going to see the same thing, let alone are they trained is trained to spot these kinds of stereotypes in narrative like I am. I often forget that. XD

And this is not what I'm understanding. So it's because she has a cheerful personality, that you automatically assume that she is hiding something? Sure, there have been many a case where this is true, but those times were most likely foreshadowed in previous episodes; a close-up pan of the cheerful char with a sad face after some dialogue; some kind of stuttering during a conversation; speaking as if s/he weren't confident in what they were saying; trembling his/her fist during a conversation; SOMETHING. Riko does not once exhibit any of these factors that were recognizable before this(4th) episode. As such, how can you attribute her as having any ill-intentions before this episode? If you really did base it on the fact that she was 'too cheerful', then it's not 'painfully obvious' or even remotely obvious; you just made a guess and happened to be right =0\.

[tsunade666]

being too cheerful and chummy to the MC has it's own downfall. It gives room for suspicion but not enough reason to give an ILL suspicion. She might be just odd from the way things like the way she is always around Kinji and such but for the clock. There are no clues left on who change them but all and all that is not enough to make her the culprit.

the anime lacks foreshadowing.

[Haak]

Well I guess the hint may have simply been the fact that she had the role of a Knowledge Broker and such characters can easily turn out to be manipulators.

[Kismet-chan]

So it's because she has a cheerful personality, that you automatically assume that she is hiding something?

Lol, nope. :heh:

[Icy.Tear]

Lol, nope. :heh:
What a compelling argument. I especially thought the "lol" was a good point.

[larethian]

but not as successful, apparently. :uhoh:

how so? HnA LN has better sales figures than IS LN last year.

[Nera Sleith]

how so? HnA LN has better sales figures than IS LN last year.
I think he meant in terms of anime.

[Kismet-chan]

What a compelling argument. I especially thought the "lol" was a good point.

Um, wat? :eyebrow: I wasn't trying to make an argument or prove any kind of point. I was just letting that person know that I didn't make my assumption based off of the fact that Riko displayed a cheerful personality.

[Haak]

If you're going to say it was obvious, you could atleast be more clear on why you thought it was obvious. Simply saying that she exuded ill intentions isn't all that helpful. What stereotype in the narrative did you spot that you were trained to do so that allowed you to see through Riko's character?

[D-KLAC]

only thing i’m bit WHAT a mom in jail for 800+ years really how that happen especially with that jail time really who on “wacky pack” right now?

[Dr. Casey]

Yeah, if they prove that Aria's mom is innocent, she should sue so hard for being given almost a millennium in prison. :heh: No telling how much money she could make from that case.