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Pellissier

2011-06-09, 02:12

Shakugan no Shana III

Officially announced, airing this fall (ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-06-08/shakugan-no-shana-iii-final-anime-to-air-this-fall)).

Shakugan no Shana III(Final season) start broadcasting this fall.

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STAFF
Original and supervision:Takahashi Yashichirou
Illustration:Itou Noizi
Director:Watanabe Takashi
Series Composition: Kobayashi Yasuko
Character Design: Ootsuka　Mai
Music: Ootani Kou
Animation Production: J. C. STAFF

CAST
Shana: Kugimiya Rie
Sakai Yuuji: Hino Satoshi
Alastor: Ebara Masashi
Yoshida Kazumi: Kawasumi Ayako
Margery Daw: Nabatame Hitomi
Bel-Peol: Oohara Sayaka
Hecate: Noto Mamiko

MeoTwister5

2011-06-09, 04:04

So... can we non-LN readers safely speculate that Shana's smile at the end of season 2 be a sign of good tidings?

SkyFlames

2011-06-09, 05:11

Even the people that got the spoiler don't know why did she smile. Anime Original finale.

Kopi

2011-06-09, 10:43

Great news but the "FINAL" word on the III and on ANN link itself.. final as a TV series? or the whole series..

Either way SnS 3 and Fate/Zero! What a combo :D

Game8910

2011-06-09, 11:51

Great news but the "FINAL" word on the III and on ANN link itself.. final as a TV series? or the whole series..

Either way SnS 3 and Fate/Zero! What a combo :D

Both, the novels end this year as well

Hooves

2011-06-09, 15:07

So... can we non-LN readers safely speculate that Shana's smile at the end of season 2 be a sign of good tidings?

Even the people that got the spoiler don't know why did she smile. Anime Original finale.

Season II was defiantly mostly based around an Anime Original ending, so Shana smiling at the end confused us all :eyespin: She could have met Yuji, or thought she saw him. Anything is possible with that big of a cliffhanger.

Athena

2011-06-09, 15:32

Can I guess that S3 will have an original ending, or very close to it?

Hooves

2011-06-09, 15:34

That's what were trying to guess in the Novels thread. If they had season 2 mostly focused around Anime Originality, then season 3 could also inherit that and completely go off-track. They even made an Anime Original ending for season 1 to boot. The thing that confuses me is how they still circle closely around the light novels with season 1 (before ending) and the recent OVAs. Or they tend to stay dedicated to the light novels since they are finishing up this year so J.C. Staff can focus primarily on the light novels for season 3 while season 2 was focused on Anime Originality.

SkyFlames

2011-06-09, 18:00

I'm guessing that the Anime Original on S2 was because the lack of plot from the novels, since we didn't really know where this all was going to. Solution? Put an Hecate on school uniform to get the fans entretained while we wait the writter to come up with something.
They closed the plot on Season 2 with a thick knot. The statue of proud was destroyed, schoolgirl Hecate was destroyed and...

Yuji dissapeared

In other words, all what is Anime Original on S2 was complete passed over. With this, if they start counting the story from the novels, there would be a pefect connection without the need of Anime Original ending.
Plus, this is going Toradora! style, ending up the novel at the same time than the anime (i guess?) so they won't need Anime Original when they have a way more entretaining story to lead them.

Marcus H.

2011-06-09, 18:40

Also, the appearances of Kasha (exclusive appearance in sidestory Zoetrope) and Mare (Sabrac's love interest, exclusive appearance in sidestory Juggle and the DS Game) in the Second Season will be justified in the Third Season.

The problem lies with how they will handle the conflicts between Flame Haze and the Crimson Realm outside Misaki City.

SkyFlames

2011-06-09, 20:03

Both, the novels end this year as well

Was it confirmed? Last time I heard about the last novel wa that Dangeki Bunko hasn't provide it on the July 2011 list of novels. That means that the only chance is the end of the year. Or maybe 2011 (which I hope)

Also, the appearances of Kasha (exclusive appearance in sidestory Zoetrope) and Mare (Sabrac's love interest, exclusive appearance in sidestory Juggle and the DS Game) in the Second Season will be justified in the Third Season.

The problem lies with how they will handle the conflicts between Flame Haze and the Crimson Realm outside Misaki City.

They are probably going to skip over that... The focus on Shana and Yuji's part of the story.

Hooves

2011-06-09, 21:42

They are probably going to skip over that... The focus on Shana and Yuji's part of the story.

That would be such a let-down though.. But what you said about them getting rid of the Anime Originals is true and could lighten up scary thoughts I have for season 3.

SkyFlames

2011-06-10, 11:04

That would be such a let-down though.. But what you said about them getting rid of the Anime Originals is true and could lighten up scary thoughts I have for season 3.

To me, the stories of Sale, Chiara and the rest of the characters that got complete passed over will be skipped... They are just going to define them as ''powerfull flame hazes'' or ''generals'', since mostly of the Flame Hazes looks exotic because they are in Japan, they are gonna mix over with the rest of the extras for Flame Hazes. Or maybe just making it look like Margery and the rest knows the names.

Like...

*explosion*
Margery: Chiara, Sale, over here!
Spectator: Oh so that are their names. Cool.

Shinn Kamiyra

2011-06-10, 11:26

Was it confirmed? Last time I heard about the last novel wa that Dangeki Bunko hasn't provide it on the July 2011 list of novels. That means that the only chance is the end of the year. Or maybe 2011 (which I hope)

They are probably going to skip over that... The focus on Shana and Yuji's part of the story.

It's best that way, IMHO. The whole of Season 2 was little more than a teaser with regards to Yuji and Shana's relationship; an extremely frustrating one at that.

Season 3 had best give us resolution and at least one kiss or there's going to be viewer rage spilling out the woodwork.

That aside, are we looking at a possible time skip between S2 and S3?

SkyFlames

2011-06-10, 11:40

It's best that way, IMHO. The whole of Season 2 was little more than a teaser with regards to Yuji and Shana's relationship; an extremely frustrating one at that.

Season 3 had best give us resolution and at least one kiss or there's going to be viewer rage spilling out the woodwork.

That aside, are we looking at a possible time skip between S2 and S3?

I think that there will happen one of these things.

Episode 1 will be setted after the OVA 4 finale's, Yuji is going to make a 20 minutes long speech about his plans and how he got to Bale Masque.

or...

Episode 1 will be setted after Season 2 finale, they will show Shana and Yoshida depressed and the ''where is Yuji?'' conmotion. Then they show Yuji arriving to Misaki and again, the scene from OVA 4, and it ends there (killing us during a whole week before the real beginning of the season).

sazkun

2011-06-13, 00:02

Finally, and even anidb, has post it!!

Hooves

2011-06-13, 00:11

SkyFlames

2011-06-13, 02:02

That's a fact. If this is the final to the serie there must be a kiss... That if they value their lifes :P

erneiz_hyde

2011-06-13, 04:17

I thought the S2 OVA existed so they can scratch season 2's ending and return back on track to the novels?

Hooves

2011-06-13, 15:49

That's the plan here. They already did delete everything that had association with any Anime Originals to go on with a season 3 novel-wise. Just saying they could possibly add a small kiss scene between Yuji and Shana just to satisfy the fans.

~Yami~

2011-06-13, 20:18

awww... finally..... they approved and confirmed it....
can't wait for this fall..... my effort for resisting an urge to read the LN will be payed off
that mystery smile at the end of season 2 is really mysterious...

AP24

2011-06-14, 19:52

Even if Shana and Yuji don't kiss in the novels, I believe J.C. Staff will do something like what happened in Inuyasha: The Final Act where they made a completely filler kiss just to satisfy the fans.

They did the same thing in Zero no Tsukaima first season, which there were kisses that didn't happen in the novels.

Hooves

2011-06-15, 01:25

They did the same thing in Zero no Tsukaima first season, which there were kisses that didn't happen in the novels.

As long as it entertains the fans, then they will add a kiss scene regardless on any anime.

alvinkhorfire

2011-06-15, 01:49

To me, the stories of Sale, Chiara and the rest of the characters that got complete passed over will be skipped... They are just going to define them as ''powerfull flame hazes'' or ''generals'', since mostly of the Flame Hazes looks exotic because they are in Japan, they are gonna mix over with the rest of the extras for Flame Hazes. Or maybe just making it look like Margery and the rest knows the names.
Are these stories a part of the content in Volume 10 and Volume 15? I hope that at the very least, I hope that J. C. Staff will animate these stories in 1 or 2 episodes, just to provide the non-light-novel readers some background information. Otherwise, it may be a bit difficult to understand the subsequent storyline.

Putting that aside, are we allowed to post speculation of the potential storyline of the first few episodes in Season 3 here, under spoiler tag? It seems that it is not, since there are non-light-novel readers in this thread.

SkyFlames

2011-06-15, 20:58

Are these stories a part of the content in Volume 10 and Volume 15? I hope that at the very least, I hope that J. C. Staff will animate these stories in 1 or 2 episodes, just to provide the non-light-novel readers some background information. Otherwise, it may be a bit difficult to understand the subsequent storyline.

Putting that aside, are we allowed to post speculation of the potential storyline of the first few episodes in Season 3 here, under spoiler tag? It seems that it is not, since there are non-light-novel readers in this thread.

I do not know much about this Flame Hazes, but mostly are mentioned on the volumes S and SII. If J.C. Staff would have wanted to introduce them, they would have used the OVA series to do it.

alvinkhorfire

2011-06-16, 02:30

*explosion*
Margery: Chiara, Sale, over here!
Spectator: Oh so that are their names. Cool.
You are correct that J. C. Staff may just briefly introduce the other Flame Hazes such way. Then again, the new characters may appear hollow and insignificant. After all, the story of Shakugan no Shana is not longer confined to just Shana, Yuji, Wilhelmina and Margery. Sale and Chiara and other new Flame Hazes may play significant roles in later part of the story.

I must admit that someone like me tend to understand the story better via watching anime, rather than reading the translation of light novels. Even though the picture of the new Flame Hazes were printed in the novels, it would be very difficult for me to relate to them, and to understand their connection to Shana and Yuji. Sigh, I will have to get used to it then. :(

SkyFlames

2011-06-18, 13:50

Oh well, we should not lose hope. J.C. Staff could find a place for V5 in the first season and let us know Shana a little more. And I'm sure there is enough episodes to get the other Flame Hazes a decent background.

-

My suppositions about the Shana Third's plot :P

Episode 1: Misaki after the Yuji's dissapearence - Yuji setting up a black Fuzetsu.
Episode 2: Bridge scene - Yuji taking the Haridan and running away.
Episode 3: Shana prisoned at Bal Masque.
I don't know how to continue it, since I don't really know what happens till the war.

Hooves

2011-06-18, 22:57

Well I would try but I don't know how fast things will be animated from the novels to correctly do it :heh:

alvinkhorfire

2011-06-20, 01:48

SkyFlames
Thanks for your speculation. At least, we learn each other opinion on this.

Non-LN readers, please refrain from clicking the spoiler and stop reading from now on. :D Spoiler alert!

Here is my speculation as posted before in previous post (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2558088#post2558088), but I think it is relevant.

Anyhow, it is just my speculation. If anyone wants to post suggestion or correct my mistakes, please feel free to do so.

I assume that Season 3 will move straight on to the content of Volume 16 without any filler. Besides that, I have referred to digger314's summary (http://sites.google.com/site/asdigger314/chapter-16-summary) while making this speculation.

OP: It may contain scene in which Yuji turns into a black figure.

Summary of first part: Continuing from the event during Christmas Eve, Yuji is walking, heading to either Shana or Kazumi. Suddenly, there is a voice saying: "It is the time." (The viewers have no idea of whose voice is it, later on they will know that it is the voice of Snake of The Festival") As such, Yuji is slowly disappearing. Well, both Shana and Kazumi are seen waiting for Yuji the whole night.

Summary of second part: This part shows the happening after a couple of weeks since Yuji disappeared. Everyone, except those who involve in the struggle, seems to have forgotten Yuji, just like when a torch disappears. In the last scene, Sydonay and Bel Peol are shocked to see a black figure approaching them. (At this point, the viewers still do not know who that black figure is.)

Summary of first part: This part serves as a flashback. It is shown that Yuji starts dreaming of talking to a black mirror image of himself. (All of the necessary events that lead Yuji into merging with SotF from the Volumes 8 and 14) is shown here.) The scene moves to the present time as SotF/Yuji accepts the throne on the Seirei-den.

Summary of second part: Shana shows Margery a letter from Yuji to prove he still exists. Shana and Wilhelmina had convinced Margery to train Shana with unrestricted spells.

OP: The black figure into which Yuji turns is revealed as Snake of The Festival Sakai Yuji.

Summary of first part: Bal Masque eliminates almost all of the most powerful Flame Haze located in east Asia. A few Bal Masque members challenge SotF. They are defeated easily but SotF praises them.

Summary of second part: Yuji returns back to Misaki City. Shana senses presence of a tomogara and goes out to follow that presence. In the last scene, Yuji meets with Shana. This was shown in Episode 4 of the Shakugan no Shana S OVA Series.

Summary: The highlight is definitely the epic fight between Sotf and Shana, Wilhelmina, Margery. This episode ends when Sotf Yuji retrieves Haridan and leaves the department store holding along Shana.

By integrating the flashback events seamlessly into the episode lineup, then the events in Volume 16 will make sense.

Other speculation was made by Triple_R (http://forums.animesuki.com/member.php?u=74315). Here is Triple_R's speculation as posted before (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2562779#post2562779):

Episode 1 - We take off exactly where the anime left off. We hear the Christmas music and see the Christmas tree. There's a distinct Christmas shopping commotion as we hear the crowds at first, but that is cut dramatically into silence, as we see Yuji's foot stepping forward into the snow. Then we get silent tension in the air - we pan from Kazumi to Shana to Yuji, back to Kazumi getting nervous to Shana starting to lose patience to Yuji deeply sighing, quick panning through their three faces over and over again until these mesmerizing blur of images is brought to a close by Shana yelling out "Hurry up and choose, Yuji!". For added comedic effect, we see the crowds start to go "Huh?" and look at a blushing embarrassed Shana, who nonetheless still has a pouty look on her face. For a brief moment, we hear the Christmas shopping commotion again, but then that fades off as we focus back on Yuji.

We see Yuji trembling a bit, and trying to firm himself. Then with one final sigh, he begins walking towards Shana. Kazumi then starts crying assuming that this means Yuji is choosing Shana. Shana starts smiling (like your avatar) as she assumes that this means that Yuji is choosing her. Then, during Yuji's walk towards Shana... we and Yuji hear a voice calling out to him (but nobody else hears it) and we get a cool video effect like the ones you see when they want to display a character in the midst of a heart attack/severe emotional stress. SotF is calling out to Yuji, and after a tense pause, Yuji says (or thinks) "I accept", and fades away. Shana goes from smiling to her eyes and mouth widening in horror. She screams out Yuji's name very loudly, while Kazumi runs towards where Yuji was just standing and dark suspenseful music reaches its crescendo. Cue the opening credits...

1st half of episode - Shana and Kazumi are in frenzied alarm, and begin searching all over for Yuji. Failing that, they decide to head after Wilhelmina and Margery for help. We go through a bunch of talking scenes, and Wilhelmina and Margery both agree to investigate the disappearance of Yuji further. We then do a slight one week or so time skip.

Cut to scenes of war between Bel Masque and Outlaw/East Asian flame hazes. Sabrac has been hired to take out Outlaw, and is back in action. Satou is trying to co-ordinate Outlaw, but his allies are outmatched by Sabrac. It looks like Satou himself might get killed by Sabrac, when... Pheles shows up.

Pheles has a bone to pick with Bel Masque, and knows that Sabrac is working for them. We see the first few minutes of a Pheles vs. Sabrac fight - anime original combat.

Commercial break

2nd half of the episode goes pretty much how you think it will. It ends on two cliff-hangers - Going back to the Pheles vs. Sabrac fight just for a minute or so to show that Pheles is on the brink of getting killed by Sabrac. Then, we get Snake of the Festival Yuji introducing himself to Bel Peol, Sydonay, Hecate, and Dantalion. At first, Yuji's identity is shrouded - but the final few moments of the scene plays very dark ominous music with a close-up of his face, right after he says something that sounds sinister. Dantalion starts laughing loudly and we cue to fade out of the episode, and the closing credits.

Episode 2 - Pretty much what you said, except we'd also have Shana, Wilhelmina, and Margery Daw arriving to Pheles' rescue, engaging in a few minutes of explosive combat with Sabrac and other tomogara, before the antagonists all decide to make a retreat. Satou breathes a sigh of relief, while Margery Daw chastises him for getting involved in such a dangerous profession. Some nice Margery and Satou back-and-forth.

Maybe show some scenes of Hecate trying to forge a romantic relationship with Yuji due to...

1) Her Konoe memories.

2) The fact Yuji is on her side now.

3) How pleased and satisfied she was over Season 1's synchronization with Yuji.

Hecate is spurned once more, though, as Yuji reveals that his heart now belongs strictly to Shana.

If we decide to slow down the novel-based plot progression a bit, as Terminator98 would like, we could use this as a jumping off point for a deeply hurt and oddly raging Hecate going after Shana with the intent to kill her.

Hecate vs. Shana could be spread out over episodes 3 and 4 - maybe eventually dragging in secondary fights through out the city pitting the rest of Bel Masque against Wilhelmina, Pheles, and Margery Daw in order to get all the key characters taking part.

I could easily imagine Sydonay chasing after his dear Hecate to ensure that Hecate doesn't recklessly kill herself while going after Shana while in a state of romantic rage. I could also see Dantalion wanting to 'observe', for scientific purposes of course, how this fight plays out. And maybe for once, Bel Peol doesn't want to be left out of the ation.

Yuji calmly watches all of this, Aizen-style (Aizen from Bleach) from afar, trying to size up how good his new allies are.

We see Hecate about to kill a downed Shana near the end of episode 4, but Yuji finally intercedes, Evil OverLord style, and says "No, Shana is not to be killed. I'm impressed with your display of fighting prowess and power, Hecate, but Shana is the whole reason why I'm doing what I'm doing. Let us leave for now, as there's much more to plan before we take full action."

As Yuji and Hecate head off, a tearful Shana screams "Why, Yuji?! Why are you doing this?!" (or something to that extent, but maybe more Shana-esque).

Yuji turns his head around while Hecate looks sad and sour, and we catch a tense moment of a confused and hence slightly angry Shana looking into the eyes of a strangely stoic and self-assured Yuji.

"You're not ready to know that, Shana" answers Yuji, "But one day soon, you will be. With a strong heart, I look forward to that day".

And then Hecate and Yuji head off, along with the rest of a retreating Bel Masque, leaving a sad and confused Shana behind. The protagonists recompose themselves, and Shana is left wondering what this all could possibly mean. Alastor may or may not make the big, dramatic reveal based on what Shana tells him. We see Kazumi ironically trying to console Shana at the end, as the episode tries to end on a somewhat conclusive note, but obviously with some cliffhanger feel.

SkyFlames

2011-06-23, 12:53

I'm counting the days...
How many? 99? :heh:

Charbone

2011-06-24, 09:18

finally x3 the final season comes out \(*.*)/
hope that j.c staff won't fuck up the light novel stuff again .___. :(

newcomer676

2011-06-25, 06:54

As long as it entertains the fans, then they will add a kiss scene regardless on any anime.

Definitely anticipating the 3rd season.
and agree with you all that a kiss will definitely be added for fan service sake.
I think JC Staff is quite famous for their fan services

Hooves

2011-06-25, 07:24

Those who watched Zero no Tsukaima should be used to the fan service :heh:

Chaos2Frozen

2011-06-28, 02:41

Definitely anticipating the 3rd season.
and agree with you all that a kiss will definitely be added for fan service sake.

At least then, you know that JC Staff isn't shy with animating kisses, I don't know why some shows just don't want to show a proper kissu scene (Amagami SS)

I think JC Staff is quite famous for their fan services

Is it? Don't think it's any more than the standard serving that we usually get :heh:

Those who watched Zero no Tsukaima should be used to the fan service :heh:

*Hiss*

Speak not of the Fallen :uhoh:!

Athena

2011-06-28, 07:40

I'm counting the days...
How many? 99? :heh:

Y'know, you're also counting the days before I return to school...

Those who watched Zero no Tsukaima should be used to the fan service :heh:

Well, that was unbearable.

SkyFlames

2011-06-28, 11:15

Well then I want you to start classes as soon as possible :heh:

And Zero no Tsukaima, they just screwed one of the best stories I have ever got the chance of reading. Well, at least till Volume 10 (season 3 final), then it's Louise beating Saito, Louise beating Saito...

Om Nerabdator

2011-06-28, 12:54

yeah the anime of zero just left so much stuff out compared to the light novels that they trap themselves at s3, now if they want to make a 4th season the 1st half will be like a jigsaw puzzle trying to fit important plot devices into the story that should of been there ages ago.....

anyway about shana3 they better follow the LN, i love it when good guys turn bad (majin vegeta anyone)
id rather watch the LN version instead of some series packed full of swimsuit fillers especially after waiting for years for another season

Hooves

2011-06-28, 12:58

Well since season 3 is already announced to be the very last season J.C. Staff is going to do for Shakugan no Shana. Then we will sadly have to put all our hopes and anticipation that they will not screw this up..

Already have bad hopes basing off Zero no Tsukaima, and many other animes they have recently released..

Om Nerabdator

2011-06-28, 13:04

well i hope the anime guys are working with the VN fellas so we get an identical storyline and the true ending.

The last VN will probaly come out at the same time as the anime

pancakes

2011-06-28, 13:29

I'm glad that the new season is coming this fall, I really am. God knows I can't wait any longer. I am just mad that they decided to start airing it right when I start colllege. :(

(also I just finished zero no tsukaima season1, from numerous complaints I'm afraid to continue on to the next two seasons)

Om Nerabdator

2011-06-28, 14:55

just read the Novels first then watch the anime youd get more enjoyment out of it that way in my books

pancakes

2011-06-28, 15:59

just read the Novels first then watch the anime youd get more enjoyment out of it that way in my books

Hmm...okay where can I read the novels?

Athena

2011-06-29, 14:09

Hmm...okay where can I read the novels?

There's Volume 7 on Baka-Tsuki. Volume 1 is on sale.

Kaskodiona

2011-07-01, 14:03

GAWD DANG IT I FORGOT TO VISIT THE SITE I'M SO MAD AT MY SELF GRAAAH! And today I have a depression. I'm not talking to much and stuff. Well, I might be satisfied if I go and read some Shana novels. I dunno why, but I got my depression at the end of a livestream me and my friend did (DON'T ASK FOR THE LINK, IT'S IN POLISH!). So, I'm also happy because the release date of season III is released. If anyone knows what fandub groups are also popular? (I heard that eclipse is quitting, that's why I'm asking.) I might post tomorrow, I'm feeling better right now.

Edit: Imah better now. MY DEPRESSION, IT'S GONE YAY!

Lexxus

2011-07-09, 02:59

At long last. After waiting for so many years, season 3 is now here. :heh:

AP24

2011-07-12, 08:20

The latest Dengeki Bunko magazine this month should be out already, does it have any news on Shana?

Hooves

2011-07-12, 22:30

Chaos2Frozen

2011-07-12, 22:32

We can't really discuss about that in this thread since it's a generic discussion thread. So you'll have to look in the novels thread for your answers if you want to spoil yourself.. (People really are spoiling themselves... I've got quite a good number of requests for spoilers...)

I can't blame them, I sort of spoiled myself on the main points years ago but not the details or how it got to that.

But rather than spoilers, I need a refresher course on what happened again in season 2 :eyespin:

P.S - I've only spoiled myself because I didn't think they would do a third season :heh:

Hooves

2011-07-12, 22:53

Edit: Well now everyone knows about a third season and can stop spoiling themselves. Curiosity killed the cat is how the old saying goes I think..

pancakes

2011-07-12, 23:40

Edit: Well now everyone knows about a third season and can stop spoiling themselves. Curiosity killed the cat is how the old saying goes I think..

Yes! Third season is coming. But, it's not here YET. So I guesss curiosity is replaced with excitement and anticipation.

will Yuuji be the bad guy? wll as they sid he'll be? will he become Immortal? knowing he's dead already and he's a torch

If you want me to explain some of the main points send me a private message and I'll help you out. ;)

Chaos2Frozen

2011-07-12, 23:48

Edit: Well now everyone knows about a third season and can stop spoiling themselves. Curiosity killed the cat is how the old saying goes I think..

That was like...2 years ago I think... Most of it didn't make sense and there was this big gap between what I saw from season 2 and how things got to that point.

By 'that point', I meant when Yuji- ************************************************** ******

...Yeah, something like that *cough*

So how big of a gap is the time, in terms of volumes, from season 2 to season 3?

Yes! Third season is coming. But, it's not here YET. So I guesss curiosity is replaced with excitement and anticipation.

They could wait 5 years, they could wait another 3 months :p

Hooves

2011-07-12, 23:52

Season 2 ended with volume 16. Judging by the last scene in Shakugan no Shana S episode 4, it seems season 3 is going to pick up in volume 16 as well. Well they sorta have to start off at volume 16 since going further will be nonsense..

GenjiChan

2011-07-13, 01:01

hayst, can't wait to add this in my collection

alvinkhorfire

2011-07-13, 02:52

Lexxus

2011-07-13, 08:58

Speaking of LN, how many volumes does Shakugan no Shana have?

Hooves

2011-07-13, 09:06

I believe there was about 24 novels if you don't count extras.

pancakes

2011-07-13, 20:09

Spoiler does kill excitement, but background knowledge gained from spoiler allows you to immediately understand the anime Season 3. After all, the anime is unable to cover every single detail from the novels. Having said that, it is suffice to know just the major events from Novel Volume 16 onward. That way, you will not have much difficulty in understanding the plot of Season 3. :)

I agree with most of your statement. In my opinion knowing what's going to happen and who's named what isn't important. Well it is, but that's not the reason why I enjoy stories like this. It's watching the story actually coming together and seeing characters come to life through dialogue and animation. I could give a **** about plot twists. That's why it doesn't affect me when I spoiler myself to certain information in a story. Major information is important to understand what's going on. I would never recommend anyone to spoil the climax though, the climax is too important. But just the whole thing and the feeling and the memories. That is what people enjoy, or at least that's what I enjoy.

pancakes

2011-07-13, 20:15

That was like...2 years ago I think... Most of it didn't make sense and there was this big gap between what I saw from season 2 and how things got to that point.

By 'that point', I meant when Yuji- ************************************************** ******

...Yeah, something like that *cough*

So how big of a gap is the time, in terms of volumes, from season 2 to season 3?

They could wait 5 years, they could wait another 3 months :p

I'll have you know I am a veteran. I've been with the story since its debut. So, YES I CAN WAIT ANOTHER 3 MONTHS! Even though I think I waited long enough.

Lexxus

2011-07-13, 21:18

I believe there was about 24 novels if you don't count extras.

Oh thanks.

Is it already announced on how many episodes should season 3 have?

Chaos2Frozen

2011-07-13, 21:26

Oh thanks.

Is it already announced on how many episodes should season 3 have?

Probably no different from the previous 2 seasons, which are 24 episodes each.

JC Staff's 2 cour series are usually that number.

Hooves

2011-07-13, 23:24

It wouldn't be a Shakugan no Shana series without 24 episodes now would it :heh:

pancakes

2011-07-14, 00:41

its gonna have 157 episodes.

Hooves

2011-07-14, 00:42

Now that's overstepping it :eyespin: What is the plot gonna involve once it gets past all the light novel information :p

pancakes

2011-07-14, 15:01

Now that's overstepping it :eyespin: What is the plot gonna involve once it gets past all the light novel information :p

lol maybe we can finally get some ike plot!

Amagetu

2011-07-14, 20:52

157 episodes @_@.

The terrible thing is, I would actually like that..

Tsuyoshi

2011-07-15, 05:17

its gonna have 157 episodes.

Oh. FUCK. YEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS

pancakes

2011-07-17, 17:06

lol oh god. In that amount of time we would be able to determine if Yuji age's or not.... (he doesn't!)

Hooves

2011-07-17, 22:47

Isnt Yuji 16? Since he did say that Shana was somewhere around his age, and also taking into account his school life which remains mostly anonymous.

Chaos2Frozen

2011-07-18, 02:40

Isnt Yuji 16? Since he did say that Shana was somewhere around his age, and also taking into account his school life which remains mostly anonymous.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Shana younger that Yuji when she became a Flame Haze? Hence her... Current physical stature? I seem to recall something like that in her backstory... Still, my memory is a bit fuzzy...

Hooves

2011-07-18, 02:44

Shana was I believe somewhere between the range of 10-12 (or maybe lower) when she became a Flame Haze. I personally believe she was 11.

Chaos2Frozen

2011-07-18, 02:47

Shana was I believe somewhere between the range of 10-12 (or maybe lower) when she became a Flame Haze. I personally believe she was 11.

Yeah something like that... And she's stuck in that body ever since... Hmmm...

...Oh well, as long as nobody thinks about it, it won't be awkward :cool:

(Coincidentally, Aria for whatever-whatever reason, also had her growth stopped at age 13...)

alvinkhorfire

2011-07-18, 03:57

Shana is an eternal loli with everlasting youth. I am sure that almost all of us would love to stay young forever like Shana.

Hooves

2011-07-18, 10:09

I can completely agree with you sir. Immortality age-wise is what everyone wants :heh:

pancakes

2011-07-18, 15:38

Dammit i wish I replied sooner....

Hooves In my personel opinion I like to believe that she was 11-13 while she made the contract. Because im 17 ( <- it's on the side duh) and ill tell you she was definititly NOT 9 or 10. And back when I watched the show i was like 12? 13? which was like 7th grade. So call me wierd but by her body and the way she thinks and acts she seems to fit in that 11-13 category. I think it's harder for older people to understanad siince they don't remember the age differences as well as younger people. But I had an age group to compare her to, so it's safe to say she was 11, 12, or 13 when she started the contract.

Yuji was 15 when the story started. The beginning of the story is his start of freshman year of high school. Second season was second semester. So now he's 16. When season 3 starts he could be 17 Im not sure. Not like it matters though. He doesn't age. Johan didn't, yuji won't either. Besides it'll work better for the story since shana can't age either. You know? Live forever? Together? Without aging? It's perfect.

So 15 year old loving a 13 year old? That's fine with me. Nothing wierd. Nor awkard. (thank god) Their both mentally about the same age though. Yuji I think is a little older.

BUT

I DO like to think that shana grew and yuji grew physically. Call me crazy but they look older. Definitly. Maybe it's the way their animated, but I'm not sure. That's just my opinion though.

Besides, would they really put leather pants on a 9 year old?

http://i6.mangareader.net/shakugan-no-shana/1/shakugan-no-shana-910321.jpg

Tsuyoshi

2011-07-19, 00:23

There's no way she could be under 12. At 9 or 10, her chest area wouldn't be that developed. I would say she had to have been 12 to 13 by the time she made the contract.

Guido

2011-07-19, 00:28

Actually, it hasn't been a long while since season two came about two years later after season one, and the new OVA chapters for 2nd season came about another two years later after season 2.

I assume that this would be the final series, but for the anime. In no way it means that this is going to be the final for the entire story narrated in the novels, right?

Chaos2Frozen

2011-07-19, 00:46

Actually, it hasn't been a long while since season two came about two years later after season one, and the new OVA chapters for 2nd season came about another two years later after season 2.

Well, OVA is no substitute for a TV season. :heh:

I assume that this would be the final series, but for the anime. In no way it means that this is going to be the final for the entire story narrated in the novels, right?

From what I've gathered, that's the plan actually.

Everything ends.

pancakes

2011-07-19, 02:09

There's no way she could be under 12. At 9 or 10, her chest area wouldn't be that developed. I would say she had to have been 12 to 13 by the time she made the contract.

Exactly, and there are some other features that stand out.

pancakes

2011-07-19, 02:12

Hooves

2011-07-19, 02:16

Chaos2Frozen

2011-07-19, 02:19

He's basically asking if they will plan more Shakugan no Shana (anime) while the light novels finish up. Something like a new season completely anime original. But this is the last season, and that's been made very clear to all of us.

Actually, I believe he meant to ask if this 'Final' season is for the Anime only, and that the Light Novel is still continuing or have materials left.

...In no way it means that this is going to be the final for the entire story narrated in the novels, right?

Tsuyoshi

2011-07-19, 04:36

Chaos2Frozen

2011-07-19, 04:53

I just hope there won't be fillers considering how long the season will be, but considering the novels are finishing up this year, all the material will be there by the time it nears the end, so I'm not worried it will deviate.

I don't follow the Light Novels, but with 8 volumes to cover I don't think they could possibly find time for fillers...Right?

Tsuyoshi

2011-07-19, 05:01

I don't follow the Light Novels, but with 8 volumes to cover I don't think they could possibly find time for fillers...Right?

Well, if pancakes is right, the thing will be 157 episodes long, as opposed to the usual 24 or so, and each season covered up to around 16 volumes iirc. On the other hand, these last 8 volumes have a lot more going on for them than the previous ones so plenty of room for material there.

Melpomene

2011-07-19, 05:38

I'm really interested in this, and having a large episode count means they can be more faithful to the source material. Though I haven't read the aforementioned material, I still like things to be true to their origins, because I find filler and changes to feel rushed. This is why I enjoyed FMA Brotherhood so much more than the first series to come out. It's also why I prefer books to come out as a mini-series as opposed to a movie.

Amagetu

2011-07-19, 06:47

Chaos2Frozen

2011-07-19, 07:24

Well, if pancakes is right, the thing will be 157 episodes long, as opposed to the usual 24 or so, and each season covered up to around 16 volumes iirc. On the other hand, these last 8 volumes have a lot more going on for them than the previous ones so plenty of room for material there.

...Why would there be 157 episodes :heh: ? JC Staff never do more than 24 episodes a season- they don't have that kind of mula :heh: He's obviously kidding :heh:

Om Nerabdator

2011-07-19, 07:54

Well, if pancakes is right, the thing will be 157 episodes long, as opposed to the usual 24 or so, and each season covered up to around 16 volumes iirc. On the other hand, these last 8 volumes have a lot more going on for them than the previous ones so plenty of room for material there.

jesus mate they are not gonna animate every single thing that was in the light novels, not one anime has done that EVER! they should just show the main points skip useless things that dont affect the outcome of the show and they can do it easily, if you want the whole story read the novels

Hooves

2011-07-19, 08:33

Well, if pancakes is right, the thing will be 157 episodes long, as opposed to the usual 24 or so, and each season covered up to around 16 volumes iirc. On the other hand, these last 8 volumes have a lot more going on for them than the previous ones so plenty of room for material there.

Tsuyoshi, you really did believe that did you :p It was merely pancakes going wild with his imagination. There not really gonna go 157 episodes ;)

pancakes

2011-07-19, 08:39

Actually, I believe he meant to ask if this 'Final' season is for the Anime only, and that the Light Novel is still continuing or have materials left.

Please don't argue over what a guy was asking. You could just ask him you know. Like I did? And if he doesn't respond well then I guess there's no point in answering him.

Jezuz.

pancakes

2011-07-19, 08:42

Tsuyoshi, you really did believe that did you :p It was merely pancakes going wild with his imagination. There not really gonna go 157 episodes ;)

rofl he knows I was kidding. It just sounds like you guys are liking the idea of 157 episodes......were not considering this. :heh: Right? Guys?

Tsuyoshi

2011-07-19, 09:05

K, I apologize to everyone for the inconvenience caused. I suppose I was being overly optimistic for a moment there -_-

Amagetu

2011-07-19, 09:23

K, I apologize to everyone for the inconvenience caused. I suppose I was being overly optimistic for a moment there -_-

Hells i'd love there to be 157 episodes too.

Hooves

2011-07-19, 09:32

pancakes, you can multi-quote multiple messages into one post instead of double/triple posting for every response. Just click on the http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f360/Havix55/multiquote_off.gif button on one post, then click on the quote button on the second post to make it easier.

Also it would be nice seeing 157 episodes actually :heh: But then that would leave the anime studio to go into originality which we have already seen that turned into a fiasco...

Amagetu

2011-07-19, 10:40

Hooves

2011-07-19, 11:19

Which is already happening, J.C. Staff has personally brought along Yashichiro Takahashi (the author) to supervise season 3 to see if it all goes well. So that's why I'm being very optimistic that they are going to follow the novels without any cut to it. If they are going to go with 24 episodes, and personally bringing the author to supervise production. Then I'm sure they are going to end the anime with the novels.

Amagetu

2011-07-19, 11:24

pancakes

2011-07-19, 17:00

You both make good arguments! And yes i will multi quote from now on thank you.

SakaiYuji

2011-07-20, 02:30

I wonder when they will show us a trailer for the final seaaon.
I hope soon since I really have to see it :l

Amagetu

2011-07-20, 03:01

I wonder when they will show us a trailer for the final seaaon.
I hope soon since I really have to see it :l

I believe there already is one.

It's more a teaser though.

Hooves

2011-07-20, 10:42

As previously posted in the novels thread, here is the teaser that J.C. Staff placed in the end of Shakugan no Shana S.

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SakaiYuji

2011-07-20, 12:54

Actually I meant a trailer. They always show one a few months before the release am I right?

Hooves

2011-07-20, 12:57

Depends if the company actually wants to do it. Some studios don't release teaser trailers before the release of their products. But it's J.C. Staff after all so it will come around when this season passes.

SkyFlames

2011-07-28, 15:26

It's almost August already, Dangeki Bunko haven't said anything about the last novel?

Suzuku

2011-08-01, 11:21

^ The last novel will be released on September 10th just before the final season airs in October.

http://temple-knights.com/archives/2011/08/lightnovel-syakugan-no-syana-22-last.html

Sakai Yuji

2011-08-02, 07:48

Wow I really cant wait! :D
Though I probably am trying to not spoil myself for the final.

AP24

2011-08-02, 07:50

This month’s Dengeki Bunko magazine will come out next week. There’s gonna be some info on the new season and some pics, which I hope will be from the new season.

SkyFlames

2011-08-02, 11:14

I'd rather to see the Volume XXII cover art.

MeoTwister5

2011-08-02, 11:22

The trailer makes me think I'm going to be watching a bleak and probably depressing final season.

SkyFlames

2011-08-02, 12:07

You are not the only one.

Romeo and Juliet finale? Anyone?

AP24

2011-08-08, 02:22

Is the latest Dengeki Bunko magazine out already?

If so, is there any new info on the final season? It would be great if someone found scans of pages and translation.

Elf song

2011-08-08, 07:36

Well...
http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-3266.html
Who are you...

Sakai Yuji

2011-08-08, 07:48

Whats key visual or something? They seem to have a discussion about that..:confused:

MeoTwister5

2011-08-08, 07:51

Likely referring to Key Visual Arts, makers of Air, Kanon and Clannad. Don't exactly know what they have to do with Shana so I assume it's just off topic.

Westlo

2011-08-08, 08:09

Nah has nothing to do with Key the company. Replace key with Major, pivotal, etc, A Key Visual is important image for the series.

AP24

2011-08-11, 08:53

Looks like this month's Dengeki Bunko magazine only provided some illustrations related to the final season. Here are the pics: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3724117#post3724117

I was hoping there would be some info or preview pics cause the magazine's previous issue said there will be more info on future issues. :( It seems we'll get real info from the next issue in October but that's also when the final season will air.

I hope we'll have more info or preview pics from other anime magazines soon, or a promo video. But I think it is highly unlikely.

Nietono no Shana

2011-08-13, 06:39

Shakugan no Shana III Final PV

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MeoTwister5

2011-08-13, 06:45

I imagine that the final season's going to be one gigantic clusterfuck. If that PV's animation is to be believed then it looks like JC Staff's throwing a lot of funds into it.

Marcus H.

2011-08-13, 07:26

All these official announcements and the official site is still mostly unchanged.

Sakai Yuji

2011-08-13, 08:05

okay that looked so bad ass, seriously :eek:

AP24

2011-08-13, 08:19

Well, the preview came out faster than I out. This was taken from Comiket 80, and there were other previews for other Fall 2011 anime too. This was probably a big surprise for those who attended cause I don't think they knew there were gonna be previews.

It seems the final season will follow the last part of the light novels very closely, which is good to know. So we will finally get to see some good Shana/Yuuji moments, but too bad Yuuji is on the other side.

Elf song

2011-08-13, 09:00

Truly evil's grin...

Cosmic Eagle

2011-08-13, 09:05

Shakugan no Shana III Final PV

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Rebecca and Haborym look pretty good....

Lexxus

2011-08-13, 09:21

At last, a badass Yuuji :heh:

SkyFlames

2011-08-13, 15:45

Finally... They showed up Yuji after so long time. Pure evil at that smile

pancakes

2011-08-13, 18:28

(Drools, passes out, gets erection)

Tsuyoshi

2011-08-13, 18:43

....Damn, I can't wait for the trailer to come out properly on utube

HOLY SHIT THIS IS AWESOME

-Sho-

2011-08-14, 15:34

Dunno if we can call this trailer a spoiler.
Well i already had my own thoughts about it with the last OVA

That Yuuji will turn evil for some reason. It was so obvious with the last ova

FFrank227

2011-08-15, 02:47

Shakugan no Shana III Final PV

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!! This is fantastic!

*Passes out with Pancakes*

~Yami~

2011-08-15, 02:56

hell yeah!!! it's confirmed... and the preview is awesome.....

Goth Loli Shana... lol....

Sakai Yuji

2011-08-15, 13:14

I wonder when the non-video quality comes out.

Hooves

2011-08-15, 20:38

Probably sometime when the anime is about to release.

AP24

2011-08-16, 07:19

It should be soon cause other anime already have their comiket PV on their official websites.

pancakes

2011-08-16, 13:23

Yea it is pretty awesome but I wish it was released digitally as well. With better quality and sound. I mean, I understand why they showed it at a convention (or whatever it is) but I can't even hear it. Beggars can't be choosers though.

Dark Wing

2011-08-17, 06:40

alvinkhorfire

2011-08-20, 04:12

The preview has been a pleasure to watch. Let's hope that the plot of Season 3 stays true to novel. :)

Sakai Yuji

2011-08-22, 03:32

I dunno if its that important but season 3 will have 24 episodes as usual.
I used something bad called google translator for this though

http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-3530.html

Hooves

2011-08-22, 15:45

It wouldn't be a Shakugan no Shana series without the 24 episodes now would it? :p

pancakes

2011-08-22, 16:11

It wouldn't be a Shakugan no Shana series without the 24 episodes now would it? :p

What? It's going to have 157, remember? 24 story 133 filler. God what are you stupid? jeez.......

AP24

2011-08-23, 17:20

The official site has been updated with announcement about the final season (http://www.shakugan.com/index.html). Hopefully the site will release an official trailer soon.

pancakes

2011-08-23, 18:51

I'm looking forward to Alastor narrating the story. Like at the end and beginning of every episode. In the second season previews at the end of each episode, he would usually say, "next on shakugan no secando, engaged link!"or "next on shakugan no secando, the man who returned!" Except he would say it in a deep japanese voice and he would always yell it. And then of coarse sometimes yuji would do it. but not as good as alastor. That was awesome.

Elf song

2011-08-27, 22:42

They just update the main website with Noizi's illustration and the release date for both comics.

Sakai Yuji

2011-08-29, 02:14

There's a new trailer which.. has the same scenes but the ending part scene is new~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsaLKeMyBPw&feature=channel_video_title

AP24

2011-08-29, 05:20

The main website also has the release dates of the final season for all TV stations in Japan.
The first episode will broadcast on Tokyo MX on October 7.

zerodragon

2011-08-29, 10:12

There's a new trailer which.. has the same scenes but the ending part scene is new~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsaLKeMyBPw&feature=channel_video_titleyes, that new ending show one of her new spells:D

I think it called true something?

pancakes

2011-08-29, 14:50

There's a new trailer which.. has the same scenes but the ending part scene is new~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsaLKeMyBPw&feature=channel_video_title

Oh wow very nice. I love the music too, sets a very eerie feel. I'm kinda scared of Yuji now....

Kaskodiona

2011-08-29, 19:36

I was about to be like "HEY THEAR I'VE FOUND A TRAILER" but I saw that you've already found it ^^ But, what I have to say, it's a good trailer isn't it? I was like "give me moar!". But, I guess we'll all have to live through those nearly two months to get the final. :3

But why did I see kinda like... blue-ish purple in Snake Yuji's eyes? If that's supposed to be the colour of Snake's eyes then okay, I thought they were full black/dark brown.

Edit: I thought of something. In the last scene in the newest preview Shana is a pokemon and learns a new move - Fire Punch. Strange that I thought of that.

elleinad00

2011-08-29, 23:38

I saw all those trailers and I was so HAPPY WITH JUMPING!!
Question at the second trailer at the last part is that one of shana's powers...
Shinku, Hien, Shinban, Danzai :)

Elf song

2011-08-30, 08:03

I saw all those trailers and I was so HAPPY WITH JUMPING!!
Question at the second trailer at the last part is that one of shana's powers...
Shinku, Hien, Shinban, Danzai :)

Shinku, the partial manifestation of Alastor's body.

SkyFlames

2011-08-30, 11:13

I remember reading about that tecnique at Vol. 3 of the novels, but Shana was not abble of manifesting it with such a perfection.

Just like those which constructed the wings, blazing-red fire sparks began to dance around her arm. Like a tornado of flame, they shot up to the sky, expanding outwards at the same time. The density of the fire sparks decreased. Surrounding the figure that forms a 3-D shape, the object looked like it was made from a blazing red paper.

In this manner, a gigantic arm that was about ten meters in length appeared slowly within the dark night. Sharp claws stretched out from its fingertips. One could not tell whether it is flesh or armor.

Yūji remembered this gigantic object formed by the flames.

He had seen it once before. Demon God of the Crimson Realm- Tenjō no Gōka Alastor took on this form as he made his appearance...... But as far as he could remember, that was even larger, and the thick flames formed a magnificent scene beyond comparison.

Now I see how she will deal with Blutsauger, just punching Yuji around :p

elleinad00

2011-08-30, 12:01

thank you Sir Elf song!!... :smile:

Game8910

2011-08-30, 19:26

Now I see how she will deal with Blutsauger, just punching Yuji around :p

but in a way wouldnt the anti-flame ring prevent it from damaging him? Unless this is a pure physical attack of a magnitude which wouldnt allow Yuji to counter properly with Blutsauger

SkyFlames

2011-08-30, 19:48

but in a way wouldnt the anti-flame ring prevent it from damaging him? Unless this is a pure physical attack of a magnitude which wouldnt allow Yuji to counter properly with Blutsauger

The ring doesn't work against god's flames (Alastor & SoF) IF they are aimed directly. That's why Yuji survived the Friagne's death or the Tenpa Jyousai at the anime version, because the flame wasn't directed to him.

pancakes

2011-08-31, 00:53

^Let's stop this endless nerd fight before it gets out of hand. The subject is debatible.

elleinad00

2011-09-01, 10:29

http://www.zenhonbuph.net/2011/09/shakugan-n-shana-iii-final-scheduled-for-october/

Wohooooohooo!!! can't wait!!! :hyper-^v^: :hyper-^v^:

Sakai Yuji

2011-09-03, 00:41

Finally theres some good quality video but its a spot. All I can say is, epic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?=1&v=87ZUOcil7wM

alvinkhorfire

2011-09-07, 21:55

If I am not mistaken, events from Volume 18 was shown in the trailer. So, is it safe to say that J. C. Staff has completed the production of about 8 episodes of Season 3?

@Hooves and pancakes

Thanks to your reply to this question.

Hooves

2011-09-08, 15:18

If I am not mistaken, events from Volume 18 was shown in the trailer. So, is it safe to say that J. C. Staff has completed the production of about 8 episodes of Season 3?

We can assume so, or they probably just showed contents of volume 18 to spice up the fandom going on

pancakes

2011-09-09, 20:20

If I am not mistaken, events from Volume 18 was shown in the trailer. So, is it safe to say that J. C. Staff has completed the production of about 8 episodes of Season 3?

Good thinking.

Suzuku

2011-09-10, 01:05

KOTOKO will be singing the OP and ryo of supercell will write and compose the song. Damn, ryo's getting a lot of work this fall season, not to mention the BRS anime coming in the Winter. I'm assuming Kawada will perform the ED and then her and KOTOKO will switch places in the second cour.

http://www.shakugan.com/news/hp0001/index00030000.html

Also, the C80 PV is streaming now.

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EDIT: Oh, Kurosaki Maon (Index II, HotD) is performing the first ED. Maybe Kawada will still perform the second OP though.

SkyFlames

2011-09-10, 03:27

I'm glad that it is KOTOKO and not some brand new band that could fail. But still, I wonder why J.C. Staff could not just stick with the original order and get Mami Kawada and Kotoko next.

Sakai Yuji

2011-09-10, 03:54

Kaskodiona

2011-09-10, 03:59

The last novel came/will come out today!

...Who is from Japan, can buy a novel and can do a summary? ^^"

(I might have also mixed up the dates xD)

Sakai Yuji

2011-09-10, 04:03

The last novel came/will come out today!

...Who is from Japan, can buy a novel and can do a summary? ^^"

(I might have also mixed up the dates xD)

Some said it came out this month but its officially next month.

Hooves

2011-09-10, 04:25

We may get lucky and for the 2nd opening/ending we will get Mami Kawada :D

AP24

2011-09-10, 07:23

Since Mami Kawada performed the first OP ever of the entire series, she may as well perform the 2nd OP for the third season which will be the last OP ever of the entire series.

pancakes

2011-09-12, 01:59

I'm glad that it is KOTOKO and not some brand new band that could fail. But still, I wonder why J.C. Staff could not just stick with the original order and get Mami Kawada and Kotoko next.

Well you know I've loved every single ED and OP so far. So much that I trust their instincts. It'll be fine.

But, I don't know why they would change it up all of a sudden. Maybe problems with the artist, or they didn't want to be so cliche.

I am looking forward to a new soundtrack.

TJR

2011-09-12, 13:07

But, I don't know why they would change it up all of a sudden. Maybe problems with the artist, or they didn't want to be so cliche.

For Shana III, it seems that the label affiliation has changed from Geneon Universal to Warner (not sure why since Geneon is one of the main producers of the Shana anime). It just happens that:

a) KOTOKO quit I've Sound and signed with Warner
b) ALTIMA signed with Warner

Anyway, Warner has recently targeted the otaku market by producing anime projects (Ro-Kyu-Bu! and Kamisama no Memochou are the first works) and signing musical acts. Given the talent they've managed to recruit, they're probably aiming to become a major player in this business.

SkyFlames

2011-09-12, 19:59

Well you know I've loved every single ED and OP so far. So much that I trust their instincts. It'll be fine.

But, I don't know why they would change it up all of a sudden. Maybe problems with the artist, or they didn't want to be so cliche.

I am looking forward to a new soundtrack.

Actually I think that J.C. Staff just like to test out new things, like well, the HUGE fan service that they do with every show, anime original, ovas, etc. They don't like to stick with what is just good, they want to improve it, and mostly of the times they fail :P

Swimming

2011-09-17, 22:51

T_AX3WR7fog

Bad quality, but to bad :)

Hooves

2011-09-17, 22:57

I'm loving the sound of it already :D Can't wait to see the animations for it.

Game8910

2011-09-17, 23:30

its barely audible...tsk

Sakai Yuji

2011-09-18, 01:30

I really like it. Thanks to my iPod!I can hear it better.
Now waiting for a better quality. Just.. Why is that car leaving so fast?!?

konantenshi

2011-09-18, 08:20

I really curious about season 3, I wonder which part will be in the anime. I'm very curious about Margery Daw, and also Yuji... I wonder why does his hair become so long... It's kinda disgusting. Anyway, I can't read the novel (just read the synopsis), so I am really waiting for season 3!

Hooves

2011-09-18, 10:41

Swimming

2011-09-18, 14:46

Opening in better quality!

rNeT66xgMYY

The PV is really weird...

Sakai Yuji

2011-09-18, 15:11

wow I swear I saw that video a few days ago on the Kotoko website..

EDIT: Hmm, why does the tittle says "KOTOKO no koto TR∀NSFoRM"?

Game8910

2011-09-18, 22:26

yeah I really dont think this is the OP cause there is a full version of this song elsewhere on youtube anyways

Hooves

2011-09-18, 22:29

They probably used Transform as a filler and kept Light my Fire in secret for now :heh:

Sakai Yuji

2011-09-19, 13:54

Well if it is the real song then here's a little longer version..
I think I'm just really confused and suspicious about the Transform song tittle thing, lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIvlGX4C2uI

EDIT There's a new interview from the cast, I google translated it because of my bad japanese.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=nl&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shakugan.com%2Fcontents%2Fhp000 8%2Findex00860000.html

fhxc885

2011-09-21, 08:49

Can someone tell me that I did not see wrong on AnimeNewsNetwork that there is ONLY 12 episode in total for this final season...?

Westlo

2011-09-21, 08:55

ANN always list 12 episodes for everything until they get confirmation of the actual running time, really wish they wouldn't do that since it just confuses everyone.

fertygo

2011-09-21, 08:55

Can someone tell me that I did not see wrong on AnimeNewsNetwork that there is ONLY 12 episode in total for this final season...?

So what?

:p

ANN always state like that before they got the confirmation bout total eps. Geez its already like that for many years.

Chaos2Frozen

2011-09-21, 08:56

As always, ANN is subjected to constant changes, otherwise the cast list for this season is only those 7 characters.

Sakai Yuji

2011-09-22, 10:42

Altima I'll believe PV preview

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RDF2050

2011-09-23, 00:52

I just finish up Season 1 and 2 including the OVAS. Looking forward to Bad-ass Yuji (FINALLY).

Om Nerabdator

2011-09-23, 08:36

So does anyone know what date this anime will start im really looking forward to it

elleinad00

2011-09-23, 08:56

October 7,20ll
but I will have to wait 2 days or the worst 1 week for someone will download it with sub........ :smile:

Sakai Yuji

2011-09-23, 10:27

Here's the 3 minute preview (It's more a scene)

VU4N-F1J288

Game8910

2011-09-23, 11:24

oh god that was glorious

Kaoru Chujo

2011-09-23, 13:17

Can someone tell me that I did not see wrong on AnimeNewsNetwork that there is ONLY 12 episode in total for this final season...?The Japanese site MoonPhase says 24.

Om Nerabdator

2011-09-23, 13:50

pity about all that writing on the video

Sakai Yuji

2011-09-23, 13:58

Yeah some watchers went crazy and started to write some unneeded things. ;p

Rising Dragon

2011-09-23, 14:01

Yeah... never did figure out why that feature on NicoNico is touted as "great". At least youtube lets you turn off annotations.

O.D.

2011-09-23, 14:26

^ NicoNico lets you turn off annotations as well.

It seems whoever recorded that video forgot/never knew about that useful feature. :rolleyes:

Sakai Yuji

2011-09-23, 14:33

^ NicoNico lets you turn off annotations as well.

It seems whoever recorded that video forgot/never knew about that useful feature. :rolleyes:

*kugh* *kugh* Actually I was the one who recorded that, lool..
And yeah it was my first time on that site, so I didn't wanted to click on the wrong buttons because Im bad with those things. There always happens something bad when I click on buttons, like the video stops and all. - just didn't wanted to risk that :heh:

Swimming

2011-09-23, 16:01

Here's the 3 minute preview (It's more a scene)

VU4N-F1J288

Thaaaaaaannnnnk yopu sooooo much! :D:D:D

Hooves

2011-09-23, 17:19

Here's the 3 minute preview (It's more a scene)

VU4N-F1J288

I'm having a heart attack.... Someone help! I can't take this much epicness at once....

speedyexpress48

2011-09-23, 19:44

Here's the 3 minute preview (It's more a scene)

VU4N-F1J288

Epic indeed...the third season looks much better than the second season.

larethian

2011-09-23, 19:50

I, for one, always like to read those comments off the streams. Makes me fall off the chair sometimes LOL.

Elf song

2011-09-23, 23:07

くぎゅううううううううううううううううううう

Can't wait for next month.

SkyFlames

2011-09-24, 06:37

I retire all the bad things that I said about J.C Staff...

Kaskodiona

2011-09-24, 08:22

Here's the 3 minute preview (It's more a scene)

VU4N-F1J288

Too... much... epicness... *gives it to friends*

WHAT THE HELL THIS IS TOO EPIC.

I'm also doing a fansub group with my friends (it comes out in polish... yeah.) but we need someone with a good fansubbing software and paste the subs in. Anyone who has a skype and a fansubbing software is good to go.

andy

2011-09-24, 11:17

Damn that trailer was awesome .
Still can't watch shana weekly so won't be able to join the fun with everyone .

SkyFlames

2011-09-24, 19:28

Too... much... epicness... *gives it to friends*

WHAT THE HELL THIS IS TOO EPIC.

I'm also doing a fansub group with my friends (it comes out in polish... yeah.) but we need someone with a good fansubbing software and paste the subs in. Anyone who has a skype and a fansubbing software is good to go.

Just get the universal video editor. Sony Vegas Platinum Version or Adobe After Effects (may be mispelled)

Sakai Yuji

2011-09-25, 04:33

I'm also doing a fansub group with my friends (it comes out in polish... yeah.) but we need someone with a good fansubbing software and paste the subs in. Anyone who has a skype and a fansubbing software is good to go.

I recommend Sony Vegas. But that's probably because thats the one I use myself.:heh:

Kaskodiona

2011-09-26, 15:45

Just get the universal video editor. Sony Vegas Platinum Version or Adobe After Effects (may be mispelled)

I recommend Sony Vegas. But that's probably because thats the one I use myself.:heh:

M'kay. We already have a person to do the subs, so thanks for the software!

Tatsumi Saiga

2011-10-01, 08:50

Mukki

2011-10-01, 20:48

It looks like we will get trolled again by JC Staff...First with the

Oops I guess I conveniently didn't hear you

and now I am betting with

Shana smiling...but as we see in the video that is conveniently destroyed...before Yuji apparently becomes completely ridiculous...great.

The smile and everything was completely anime original. Would you prefer that they deviated from the novels and created their own ending?

Some people QQ about everything :/

Sakai Yuji

2011-10-02, 04:55

Oh gosh his smile can be so EVIL at some pics.

http://blog-imgs-43.fc2.com/y/a/r/yaraon/ll_20110930212224.jpg

Essa Maneira

2011-10-02, 05:16

^ one thing i noticed about yuuji, his hair color was changed. it would be fit better if the original hair color still there.. with that hair, i wonder if he'll try to crossdressing :D:D:D

can't wait for Shana.. ;)

Cosmic Eagle

2011-10-02, 05:18

Oh gosh his smile can be so EVIL at some pics.

http://blog-imgs-43.fc2.com/y/a/r/yaraon/ll_20110930212224.jpg

He looks kinda overly young there.....

Sakai Yuji

2011-10-02, 06:10

I found more, these are A lot. so I put them all in spoilers.

http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/001.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/002.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/003.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/004.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/005.jpg

http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/006.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/007.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/008.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/009.jpg

http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/010.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/011.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/012.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/013.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/014.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/015.jpg

http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/016.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/017.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/019.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/020.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/021.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/022.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/023.jpg

http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/024.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/026.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/027.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/028.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/029.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/030.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/031.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/032.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/033.jpg

SkyFlames

2011-10-02, 07:21

The evil smile somehow reminds me to Light Yagami. I hope that Yuji go into that crazy killer mode more often than the nice Yuji. :P

By the way, anyone knows who is going to play Snake of Festival's voice? Or if he is even going to have an own voice?

elleinad00

2011-10-02, 07:40

http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/006.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/007.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/008.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20110930/201109300040a/image/009.jpg

why does a very cute little shana there?!?

(sorry for the wrong grammar i think..)

Marcus H.

2011-10-02, 07:47

I dunno why of all the new Crimson Denizens, Lerajie is the one who is first revealed.

And lol at the height comparison with Orobas. :heh:

Elf song

2011-10-02, 11:40

Maybe she is one of the few who takes human form while others...well.
Showing beautiful girls >>>> Monsters, Males

And yeah! Shana's past maybe revealed in this season.

Hooves

2011-10-02, 12:29

Shana's past seems like it's going to be animated. But still confused on where they are going to put it during the series?

Rising Dragon

2011-10-02, 13:14

The bottom of Margery's character art makes her look like she's yelling at her clone. >.>

Tatsumi Saiga

2011-10-02, 14:47

The smile and everything was completely anime original. Would you prefer that they deviated from the novels and created their own ending?

Some people QQ about everything :/

Huh? No I would have preferred they stuck with the source material to begin with, as then they wouldn't have to keep creating these ridiculous situations only to back out of them again.

Dark Wing

2011-10-02, 18:03

dude spoiler!

SkyFlames

2011-10-02, 18:06

Mm? Thought I was posting on a different thread, my bad then.

Duo Maxwell

2011-10-03, 21:41

So I have been hearing that Season 2 is like 90% filler, do I need to watch them before going for 3rd season, or a summary reading is enough?

Dr. Casey

2011-10-03, 21:47

90 percent is definitely an exaggeration. There's a substantial amount of source material adapted in the second season, you'll screw up the experience quite a bit if you skip from the first season to third. (Not to mention that I like the second season a lot, filler parts included. Everyone else seems to hate it, but meh.)

Triple_R

2011-10-03, 21:51

So I have been hearing that Season 2 is like 90% filler, do I need to watch them before going for 3rd season, or a summary reading is enough?

If you really can't stand slice of life-esque Shana material, I'd encourage you to start at Episode 12 and watch from there.

Episode 12 is the one where major plot events really start happening, IIRC

It would probably be risky to skip the entire season.

Duo Maxwell

2011-10-03, 21:55

Hmm....thank, I will look for the second half then.

Chaos2Frozen

2011-10-03, 22:01

If you really can't stand slice of life-esque Shana material, I'd encourage you to start at Episode 12 and watch from there.

Episode 12 is the one where major plot events really start happening, IIRC

It would probably be risky to skip the entire season.

Wasn't episode 8/9 about Margery's past? That was a pretty good glimpse into her character and the lengths she would go to.

Dr. Casey

2011-10-03, 22:05

The harem antics, if they really sound so terrible to you, pretty much end after episode 7. 8-9 is backstory for Margery Daw, 10+ is all important non-filler plot stuff.

Marcus H.

2011-10-03, 22:08

Margery Daw's backstory is very important in the Third Season.
Oh, the slice of life parts are actually part of Volume 8.

Triple_R

2011-10-03, 22:09

Wasn't episode 8/9 about Margery's past? That was a pretty good glimpse into her character and the lengths she would go to.

Agreed.

I picked Episode 12 since that's when Pheles shows up, and the second season goes into high gear from that point on.

But yeah, the harem antics do largely end with Episode 7. Dr. Casey is right about that.

relentlessflame

2011-10-03, 22:21

My personal feeling is to just watch the whole second season. Viewers now already have the advantage of knowing that the story does "pick up" later on, and in the context of the show on the whole the relaxed pace of that early segment is almost a nice break (unless I suppose you really really hate that sort of material). I think its supposed "suckiness" was a bit over-stated at the time, particularly by novel readers who were wanting to see specific later content get more focus. But I think when you consider the franchise on the whole (at what will end up being nearly 80 episodes), it's a small segment. When you're marathoning the show, I think it will pass right by.

SkyFlames

2011-10-03, 22:23

I'd say that if you really can't stand the filler, start not before episode 8, because that's when the events that actually influence the main story starts (with Margery's past and Kantarou Sakai come back to home). But the only episode that were a really painfull experience is the number 7.

Hooves

2011-10-03, 22:26

7 made me laugh to be honest even though it was a poor attempt by Ike.

Marcus H.

2011-10-03, 22:30

I think its supposed "suckiness" was a bit over-stated at the time, particular by novel readers who were wanting to see specific later content get more focus.

I guess so, but even as a contributor to the Shakugan no Shana Wiki (and thus a sort of a walking spoiler), I really think that J.C. Staff did a good job at modifying the plot. The filler arc in the Second Season patches up the part of the novels where neither Misaki City nor Yuuji and Shana are the focus, so it's not good to suddenly shift main characters and settings just to be in tune with the story.

As for the third season, my primary concern is how would the introduction of new characters be handled. I hope they don't just appear with no names mentioned, and their names just show up at the credits, like in Index Season 2.

SkyFlames

2011-10-03, 22:37

Some will get skipped and some will get the name like in the middle of the battle and nothing else. With only 24 episodes it's kinda difficult to believe they will cover ALL the characters with a decent background.

Elf song

2011-10-04, 07:05

I really lol at this video.
V
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Shana joins the Holy Grail War to save Yuji but other Servants are also strong...very strong especially the last one.
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TJR

2011-10-04, 14:28

Maybe it's just me, but I found the second season to be much easier to follow than the first. The first time around, I struggled to keep up with the details, and I frequently tuned out while watching (liked the anime original arc at the end though.....it was a great climax/end point for the season).

OTOH, S2 was a step down in other ways - uneven art + animation, questionable pacing, awkward love triangle, Konoe. I also disliked the final arc. Nevertheless, the writers were successful at producing a cohesive and focused story for the season.

At the end of the day, I still find myself looking forward to Shana despite any misgivings......

elior

2011-10-05, 03:37

2 days left for the third season to begin

SkyFlames

2011-10-05, 05:19

As everyone is comenting/ragging about, Season 1 was way better than Season 2(director, maybe?), but it is still necesary to understand the 3rd part.

Tokkan

2011-10-05, 05:45

As everyone is comenting/ragging about, Season 1 was way better than Season 2(director, maybe?), but it is still necesary to understand the 3rd part.

Nah, same director. And he's a pretty good one, he did Slayers. I mainly blame Yasuko Kobayashi and her shitty writing skills.

Sakai Yuji

2011-10-05, 11:38

relentlessflame

2011-10-05, 12:06

A friend of mine gave me this website; http://countdown.mandragon.info/
It says it will air in 2 days (saturday) Just wondering if this is correct cause I thought it would air on the 7th, just curiousss here~It airs in just under two days now. The reason for the confusion is just the way they express the date. It airs Friday at "25:30", which is the same as Saturday at 1:30am.

Sakai Yuji

2011-10-05, 12:31

http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/image/015.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/image/014.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/image/016.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/image/017.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/image/018.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/image/019.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/image/001.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/image/002.jpg

http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/image/003.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/image/004.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/image/005.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/image/006.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/image/007.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/image/008.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/image/009.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/image/010.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/image/011.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/image/012.jpg http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/image/013.jpg http://j.mycom.jp/news/2011/10/06/001/images/003l.jpg http://j.mycom.jp/news/2011/10/06/001/images/013l.jpg

Game8910

2011-10-05, 16:23

Marcus H.

2011-10-05, 19:32

So much detail... the anime's gone a loooooong way since the first season.

SkyFlames

2011-10-05, 19:34

Exactly, how did you get those? Oh and claiming the first 2 pics of Sakai Yuji 'with black hair and armor vest' for a sign :P

Archon_Wing

2011-10-05, 19:43

Agreed.

I picked Episode 12 since that's when Pheles shows up, and the second season goes into high gear from that point on.

But yeah, the harem antics do largely end with Episode 7. Dr. Casey is right about that.

Hmm, I think you have it down pretty well. However, I'd say watch the whole thing (no srsly) but skim through all the episodes Triple_R didn't recommend. :cool:

Edit: On the other hand, it really doesn't matter. Just watch what you want, but this will give you a decent sample of what you want to try.

Sakai Yuji

2011-10-06, 00:52

Exactly, how did you get those? Oh and claiming the first 2 pics of Sakai Yuji 'with black hair and armor vest' for a sign :P

Found them here; http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/01/?afid=difa & http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=nl&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fjournal.mycom.co.jp%2Fnews%2F2011%2 F10%2F06%2F001%2F (:

Edit: Btw gotta love this fanmade opening.
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SkyFlames

2011-10-06, 05:14

Found them here; http://moca-news.net/article/20111005/201110051702a/01/?afid=difa & http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=nl&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fjournal.mycom.co.jp%2Fnews%2F2011%2 F10%2F06%2F001%2F (:

Edit: Btw gotta love this fanmade opening.
XjHqumUtC4I

Hey! I found that, sent it Hooves yesterday. :heh:
Anyways, the guy that made it is a blogger that post news about Shana, a pretty well done job indeed.
He commented that he is specting to see Khamsin and Margery on the opening (as seen), I hope that too.

Om Nerabdator

2011-10-06, 06:44

Damn im getting withdrawal symptoms already

*shakes violently*

Not long to go now