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Zephronite
2004-03-30, 06:35
28th of April is the date. High school romance, YEAH! Oh, and don't forget some heart-wrenching tragedies. KEY loves to put those in their stories. But the final question is: Will it live up to the hype? We'll just have to wait and see.
For those who wanna take a peek:
http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=36101
bluemist
2004-03-30, 07:47
OMFG another reportedly excellent game that non-Japanese may never see the light of!
Hmm... one month is still a wait (imagine the long delays this title had). I hope it has voice acting, otherwise I won't be able to play the game completely. I can play these types of games somehow trying to understand what's happening through the voices.
28th of April is the date. High school romance, YEAH! Oh, and don't forget some heart-wrenching tragedies. KEY loves to put those in their stories. But the final question is: Will it live up to the hype? We'll just have to wait and see.
For those who wanna take a peek:
http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=36101
It's old news, it has been out in the streets and Key officially announced this end of February. I already pre-ordered mine at the local Sofmap.
One thing that you should know: This game has no sex-scenes, so "CLANNAD" is not an "ero-game." Hence, you can buy this game on the shelf in the "daylight" section of a normal game store.
Will it live up to the hype? - It'll be difficult I can tell you that. It's been three years since "AIR," and TYPE-MOON's "Fate/stay night" broke the sales record for "AIR" in the January. Will fans accept a game that has no ero-scenes? Will fans still honor Key for their heart-warming stories? Will fans be willing to play a game that is rumored to be twice as long as "AIR" ?
rayearth
2004-03-30, 20:58
And following "Key tradition", it does NOT have voice acting. I'll be waiting for a console release :P
Zephronite
2004-03-30, 22:42
Mmm, I was aware of the exclusion of sex scenes.... but no voice?
And following "Key tradition", it does NOT have voice acting. I'll be waiting for a console release :P
It makes more sense to wait for the console release for clannad since it will not have any ero scenes in the PC version. It will be at least another year or two before we see a console release though....
From Key's "CLANNAD" promotion page:
Product Details
Title: CLANNAD -first release edition-
Brand: Key
Distributor: VisualArts
Genre: Love Adventure Game
Media: DVD-ROM 1 disc + Music CD 1 disc (first release only)
Sale date: 2004.28 (Wed)
MSRP: 7875 yen (7500 yen + 375 yen consumer tax)
add. info: This game is meant for all ages
first release special: Arrange Music CD
*Please note that this game does not have character voices
Playable machine specifications
OS: Microsoft Windows® 98/2000/Me/XP Japanese version
Type: PC/AT 100% compatible computer
CPU: Pentium®266MHz or above (500MHz recommended)
HDD: minimum install - 10MB, full install - 2.5GB
RAM: 64MB or above (96MB recommended)
drive: DVD-ROM drive
graphic board: one that is capable of displaying 16-bit colors at 640x480 resolution (24/32bit recommended)
sound board: DirectSound 100% compatibility (BGM will be in PCM format)
others: Mouse, keyboard, PC must support DirectX 5.0 or above
hmm...either Key is building this game off the same engine as "AIR" and "Kanon," their minimum machine spec is rather lame compared to TYPE-MOON's "Fate/stay night."
By comparion, "Fate stay/night"'s minimum specs were:
OS: Microsoft Windows 98SE/Me/2000/XP Japanese version
CPU: Pentium III 400Mhz or above (Pentium III 800Mhz recommended)
RAM: [Windows 98SE/Me] 128MB or above/256MB recommended
[Windows 2000] 192MB or above/384MB recommended
[Windows XP] 256MB or above/512MB recommended
HDD: 1700MB
graphics board: one that can display 65k colors at 800x600 resolution (16.7 million recommended)
VGA: AGP board recommended
CD-ROM: double-speed or higher (quad-speed recommended)
Sound: DirectSound capable that can reproduce PCM
DirectX: DirectX 5.0 or above
Movie: DirectX 7.0 or Windows Media Player 6.4 or above
Zephronite
2004-03-31, 03:02
I can't believe it... a DVD-ROM, delayed releases and still no voice?
Ack...
finish time(true end) :about 60~80 hours
not only a school love story,but have a mulit story line in"fantasy world"
bluemist
2004-03-31, 08:21
And following "Key tradition", it does NOT have voice acting. I'll be waiting for a console release :P
Noooo!
Well that's life... I'd better start learning Japanese instead of whining over here.
rayearth
2004-03-31, 21:12
Well that's life... I'd better start learning Japanese instead of whining over here.
I take it that comment is referring to Clannad not having voice right? What I don't understand is with or without voice, if you don't know Japanese, what difference would it make? Well, maybe with voice you might be able to recognise a few phrases/words here and there, but as a whole, you'd still be completely lost.
I take it that comment is referring to Clannad not having voice right? What I don't understand is with or without voice, if you don't know Japanese, what difference would it make? Well, maybe with voice you might be able to recognise a few phrases/words here and there, but as a whole, you'd still be completely lost.
Voices do help if someone's just starting Japanese or isn't very good with Kanji. It essentially serves the purpose of pronunciation furigana in these games, since these games usually don't have furigana, except when used for double meanings, etc.
rayearth
2004-04-01, 04:22
Voices do help if someone's just starting Japanese or isn't very good with Kanji. It essentially serves the purpose of pronunciation furigana in these games, since these games usually don't have furigana, except when used for double meanings, etc.
Not being very good at kanji I can understand, but just starting Japanese? I guess it depends on your measure of "just starting". You still have to know a handful of words and some basic gramma for things to make sense.
From his original comment "start learning Japanese instead of whining", I take it he knows little to none at all, hence the "no difference" conclusion.
Anyway, getting back on topic (somewhat), Key just announced the AIR movie, either it being an April's Fool or not is another question:
http://key.visualarts.gr.jp/movie/air_movie.htm
bluemist
2004-04-01, 04:56
I take it that comment is referring to Clannad not having voice right? What I don't understand is with or without voice, if you don't know Japanese, what difference would it make? Well, maybe with voice you might be able to recognise a few phrases/words here and there, but as a whole, you'd still be completely lost.
Yes that's the way I'm doing so far, recognizing some sentences through voice.
I wouldn't say I'm totally lost, there's stuff called game walkthroughs around. Also, I watch the anime equivalent first (if available), so I have a general idea of what's happening.
Anyway, getting back on topic (somewhat), Key just announced the AIR movie, either it being an April's Fool or not is another question:
http://key.visualarts.gr.jp/movie/air_movie.htm
Well I hope it's true! Maybe this topic should be changed to OMFG Clannad and AIR Movie! or OMFG Key Rocks! hehe. If it is as it says, it's coming out this Fall. And assuming nothing becomes vaporware, that's like a double smash hit of AIR and Beyond the Cloud. :)
EDIT: The key website is being very sluggish for me. Perhaps now it's getting the moonphase effect (well, whatever Japanese game equivalent of slashdot :)). So either this is true, or there's gonna be a lot of pissed off fans :)
The director, Dezaki Osamu blurted out in his online diary:
"dang, the art concept of Itaru-san's characters in AIR is very difficult for me"
several weeks ago, so there is much presumption that this is true and not an April Fool's joke. That and it was on MOON PHASE for quite sometime
Mr_Paper
2004-04-01, 15:42
I sincerely hope it isn't a joke. :heh:
It's one of those few things I look forward to. Maybe before the movie and
Clannad come out I should completely finish AIR...
I'm only missing a few graphics and endings...
I wonder how many hours it would take me to get them all...
I believe I still hold a record of some kind in that it took me the better part of a
week and a half to get my first ending in AIR (playing about 2 hours a day). :heh:
Leo_Otaku
2004-04-04, 00:15
Yeah it is old LOL but thats ok. Yes KEY does RULE ^-^ I want to get it now LOL I can't wait to get it. I will wait to get it when I go to japan because the shipping will be a *bleep*. I so want to see this AIR movie last year their was rumors of an anime.
Back to Clannad, is their somthing to do with animals and stuff because I have seen some of the girls with animal ears and tails such as a fox, cat and bunny. And what is that CUTE little boar/pigs name???? It must be a food Piroshiki, Potato and??? LOL well you guys can see the clannad opening on www.freetype.net it looks CUTE. Gota love KEY :)
Leo_Otaku
2004-04-11, 20:30
Anyone know the release date of the movie?
rayearth
2004-04-11, 22:08
Nobody knows for sure now, only it is scheduled for Autumn this year.
Nobody knows for sure now, only it is scheduled for Autumn this year.
So, anyone wants to organize a team of fansubbers to tackle it?
rayearth
2004-04-12, 04:30
There's probably no need, if it gets enough attention, someone will sub it.
There's probably no need, if it gets enough attention, someone will sub it.
Well I know it's going to get attention eventually. I just want to get a well established group together that really would enjoy the show, so that you don't have like 3 groups with people in each group who like it and people in each group who are just doing it because their group leader told them to do so.
rayearth
2004-04-12, 20:22
Hmm, then perhaps you should ask about it in the fansubs forum?
Will it live up to the hype? - It'll be difficult I can tell you that. It's been three years since "AIR," and TYPE-MOON's "Fate/stay night" broke the sales record for "AIR" in the January. Will fans accept a game that has no ero-scenes? Will fans still honor Key for their heart-warming stories? Will fans be willing to play a game that is rumored to be twice as long as "AIR" ?
I do not think fans had problems accepting that there were no ero-scenes, considering the “all-age version” of Kanon was released first, and with nearly a years delay between that and the “adult version”(later followed by Kanon’s non-H Dreamcast release). It’s almost as if the H version of Kanon was an afterthought, so to say that there will be an H version of Clannad eventually may not be far fetched.
I haven’t played any of the Key games newer then Kanon, so I do not know if they are based on the same engine. Fate/Stay Night has been in development for about 3 years, but it is also Type-Moon’s first professional game release; actual numbers on Tsukihime’s release in 2000 are impossible to calculate (if you look on Type-Moon’s website, the media listed for Tsukihime is actually CD-R lol).
hmm...either Key is building this game off the same engine as "AIR" and "Kanon," their minimum machine spec is rather lame compared to TYPE-MOON's "Fate/stay night."
This would not surprise me; however, I can not find the link to the website that host the scripting program (AVG32) that was used in Kanon and Air. I’m not sure what engine Type-Moon is using for Fate/Stay Night, although I’d be pretty sure it’s not NScripter, which is what Tsukihime and its immediate sequels were programmed on.
I do not think fans had problems accepting that there were no ero-scenes, considering the “all-age version” of Kanon was released first, and with nearly a years delay between that and the “adult version”(later followed by Kanon’s non-H Dreamcast release). It’s almost as if the H version of Kanon was an afterthought, so to say that there will be an H version of Clannad eventually may not be far fetched.
"18 and above" Kanon: 1999.6.4
"all age" Kanon: 2000.1.7
"18 and above" AIR: 2000.9.8
"all age" AIR: 2001.7.27
bluemist
2004-04-14, 03:46
Let's go to the question:
Do ero-games relatively sell better than non-ero bishoujo games? Someone told me that, for example, Memories Off (a non-ero dating sim) is wildly popular... and can beat any record of ero-games in the sales department.
If this is true, then Clannad would have a very wide target market...
Let's go to the question:
Do ero-games relatively sell better than non-ero bishoujo games? Someone told me that, for example, Memories Off (a non-ero dating sim) is wildly popular... and can beat any record of ero-games in the sales department.
If this is true, then Clannad would have a very wide target market...
nanpa2: about 700000(？) (pc&console)
YU-NO : 70000(pc) + 300000(console)
FATE /stay night : 110000(pc)
Air : about 100000(pc) 70000(console)
MO : about 70000
So？
I think console's GAL game is impossible better than PC's Bishojo game
Village Idiot
2004-04-14, 22:11
Sometime in the fall last I heard.
It's going to be Misuzu's story. How they're going to cram everything into 2 hrs remains to be seen.
*prays they don't butcher AIR*
And I can't wait for Clannad. I already got it pre-ordered :)
I reckon games these days are sold way too much by name.
I don't even notice or hear of games made by companies other than
Leaf, AliceSoft, TYPE MOON, Key, etc etc
well
They are the best game developers anyway
I've preordered clannad from key
Are they giving out anythig special other than the music cd??
Village Idiot
2004-04-16, 21:11
Ya, there is a promotional cd.
On the cd are wallpapers(very well done), the intro song, the remix of the intro, as well as all (or at least some) of the BGMs.
Also included is the intro video, as well as the remix version of the intro.
The cd is out on bittorrent if you know where to look :)
Rakukojin
2004-04-18, 21:28
If you're a Clannad fan, you should get the Clannad Opening that No Name Losers just released. They released both the original and remixed version.
If you're a Clannad fan, you should get the Clannad Opening that No Name Losers just released. They released both the original and remixed version.
I liked the countdown. It's very useful for singing along to a song and is like the anti-thesis of the 'fade in just as you sing the syllable' karaoke effects.
rayearth
2004-04-19, 00:36
If you're a Clannad fan, you should get the Clannad Opening that No Name Losers just released. They released both the original and remixed version.
Umm, although I think "you should buy the pre-Clannad artbook which is where the promotion CD comes from" would be a better "if you're a Clannad fan" suggestion...
Anyway, if you don't know what I'm talking about, you can see it here: http://store.sbpnet.jp/bm_detail.asp?sku=4797327235
Other than Amazon Japan, is there anywhere else to buy this internationally? (Amazon would cost me about 300% in Shipping costs for a total of ~$40)
rayearth
2004-04-19, 22:26
There are a few more online book shops like Sasugabooks (which only works if you live in US since they ship to US then to you), Fuji (who only ship to US) and a few more. You can also try your local kinokuniya (if there is one), but they're known to mark prices up to 250%.
Thing is I've never had to really worry about shipping since I live in Hong Kong which has tons of Japanese import shops, not to mention being pretty close to Japan so shipping doesn't cost that much.
AkihaTohno
2004-04-22, 16:50
I saw the opening for Clannad, and i'm in love with the theme! ^___^
i saw it in japanese discuss board...so...
ttp://upkey.hp.infoseek.co.jp/cgi-bin/up/1082977499.jpg
i saw it in japanese discuss board...so...
ttp://upkey.hp.infoseek.co.jp/cgi-bin/up/1082977499.jpg
Supposedly, the limited edition first pressings also include 'bedsheets' <.<
Village Idiot
2004-04-28, 11:58
The game is out. Repeat, the game is out :)
Leo_Otaku
2004-04-29, 13:53
ok i want the limited edition of the game, how much is it and how long will it be in stores for??? kj1980.......
ok i want the limited edition of the game, how much is it and how long will it be in stores for??? kj1980.......
retail price is 7875 yen
Shame on you for not pre-ordering. I am certain most stores in Akihabara are sold out by now.
Village Idiot
2004-04-29, 22:30
Did you get your copy yet kj?
And ya, the game is most definitely sold out in stores by now if you haven't pre-ordered it already.
Oh well, all I could afford was that pre-clannad thing >.> Too bad Amazon didn't ship soft overseas, since they had an amazing deal on Clannad (~30% off)
The LE version, most likely, but the regular edition was still available, which for me, was fine. Not sure that I want Clannad bedsheets, to be totally honest. :heh:
I've downloaded the game from mircx it's 2.3 GB in size, but mircx has disabled the messaging system and now i can't get the password to un-rar the file. does anyone know the passsword? please help !!
Zephronite
2004-04-30, 08:44
Read the rules, daruma.
Zomg tehh warez.
Leo_Otaku
2004-04-30, 10:59
I so wantthis game geez I thought maybe if I waited until August I could get the game. Is limited Edition only preorder??? If so I'm pissed!!! I want limited edition *cries* isn't it a blanket not a bedsheet.... anyway I WANT what else did the LE come with?
Mr_Paper
2004-04-30, 11:12
The regular version would be more than enough for me, but I figure I'll wait for the console version and see if it has voices included. :D
Supposedly, the limited edition first pressings also include 'bedsheets' <.<
Let me clarify this.
Japanese stores will often add special extras for people who pre-ordered and bought their games at their stores
Key themselves do not include them in the package. The stores that sells them makes a deal with Key to use the characters to make store-only promo specials so as to lure customers to buy it from their store rather than the much cheaper Amazon Japan.
I bought mine at Sofmap. Sofmap's promo came with this nice neon-lighted crystal stand:
http://www.sofmap.com/shop/topics/topics_02.asp?TPC_CD=3307&TPC_PG=23
Here was the list of the store-only specials (There are several stores that do coffee mugs and mousepads. All mugs and mousepads are different in style and design):
Key Official HP: 5 mousepads & buruburu-botan plushie (plushie of a wild pig)
Animate: mousepad
Getchu.com: 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle
Sofmap: neon-lighted crystal stand
Gamers: mobile phone strap
Messesan-oh: Nagisa's bedsheets & 18 reversible posters
Torano-ana: sports towel
Crescent: 5 sports badges
Meido-ya: school uniform (for the first 100 customers)
Net-Takarajima: 2 coffee mugs
Goodwill: Totebag & fan
WareparkNAVI: Sanae's apron
Hon-eki: Mousepad, Cottonbag, portable CD case
Yodobashi Camera: mousepad
Furukawa Denki: coffee mug
LAOX: hand towel and teaspoon set
KI2: 6 original mousepads
Comroad: mousepad
Lammtara: original stand clock
OA Systems: Telephone card holder
Privoux: foldable umbrella
Rabbitnet: 5 reversible keyholder set
Eiden: mousepad
Nakaura: original mobile phone case
So if I wanted a foldable umbrella, I would've pre-ordered and bought mine at Privoux. However, after much thought that I already own several umbrellas and that I am not going use such a special in the rain, I decided to get it from Sofmap. It's also neat to have a cool neon-lighted crystal stand in your room, right?
I wonder if anyone preordered one from every store just to get all the extras :) Or maybe they just wait until the extras get on Yahoo Japan. I'm still trying to see if I can score that Kanon Backpack ^^;
Mr_Paper
2004-04-30, 16:31
I wonder how long it'll be before some of those mouse pads end up in auctions...
I'd atleast like to see images of some of the cell phone straps. :)
Village Idiot
2004-04-30, 16:53
Key Official HP: 5 mousepads & buruburu-botan plushie (plushie of a wild pig)
Animate: mousepad
Getchu.com: 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle
Sofmap: neon-lighted crystal stand
Gamers: mobile phone strap
Messesan-oh: Nagisa's bedsheets & 18 reversible posters
Torano-ana: sports towel
Crescent: 5 sports badges
Meido-ya: school uniform (for the first 100 customers)
Net-Takarajima: 2 coffee mugs
Goodwill: Totebag & fan
WareparkNAVI: Sanae's apron
Hon-eki: Mousepad, Cottonbag, portable CD case
Yodobashi Camera: mousepad
Furukawa Denki: coffee mug
LAOX: hand towel and teaspoon set
KI2: 6 original mousepads
Comroad: mousepad
Lammtara: original stand clock
OA Systems: Telephone card holder
Privoux: foldable umbrella
Rabbitnet: 5 reversible keyholder set
Eiden: mousepad
Nakaura: original mobile phone case
It wouldn't surprise me if someone actually pre-ordered at all those stores just to get all the store-only promo stuff.
It wouldn't surprise me if someone actually pre-ordered at all those stores just to get all the store-only promo stuff.
I doubt anyone got all of them since you have to buy the game that you pre-ordered in order to receive the special store-only promos. You can't just go up to the store and say "hey, I pre-ordered - here's my receipt, give me my gift."
To get all the stuff that I just listed, one would have to spend 180,000 yen. Add to that, you also had two other "need to get" ero-games that went on sale that day: Leaf's "Aruru to Asobo!" and Playm's "Realize"
I wonder how long it'll be before some of those mouse pads end up in auctions...
I'd atleast like to see images of some of the cell phone straps. :)
The crystal stand is already up on Yahoo Japan.
EDIT: Some kind of strap here http://page7.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/g18311209
Mr_Paper
2004-04-30, 18:49
The crystal stand is already up on Yahoo Japan.
EDIT: Some kind of strap here http://page7.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/g18311209It's a mobile phone strap. ^^
It's kind of cute ... but once again "海外発送はしません。(Seller will not ship internationally.）"
It's a mobile phone strap. ^^
It's kind of cute ... but once again "海外発送はしません。(Seller will not ship internationally.）"
That's where a friend in Japan comes in handy. Wish I had one, I use a deputy service at animechaos.com and get reemed for commision charges (depending of the value of the item).
Let me clarify this.
Japanese stores will often add special extras for people who pre-ordered and bought their games at their stores
That's certainly different. The stores need to not only figure out what games would likely sell - and in what quantity - for ordering, but also need to decide on a good item to include to persuade gamers to stop by its stores instead of someone else's.
Key themselves do not include them in the package. The stores that sells them makes a deal with Key to use the characters to make store-only promo specials so as to lure customers to buy it from their store rather than the much cheaper Amazon Japan.
I bought mine at Sofmap. Sofmap's promo came with this nice neon-lighted crystal stand:
http://www.sofmap.com/shop/topics/topics_02.asp?TPC_CD=3307&TPC_PG=23
Here was the list of the store-only specials (There are several stores that do coffee mugs and mousepads. All mugs and mousepads are different in style and design):
Key Official HP: 5 mousepads & buruburu-botan plushie (plushie of a wild pig)
...
Sofmap: neon-lighted crystal stand
...
Meido-ya: school uniform (for the first 100 customers)
...
So if I wanted a foldable umbrella, I would've pre-ordered and bought mine at Privoux. However, after much thought that I already own several umbrellas and that I am not going use such a special in the rain, I decided to get it from Sofmap. It's also neat to have a cool neon-lighted crystal stand in your room, right?
Is there a central place that one would go to see what store is giving away what item(s) in their LE version of the game, or do you just have to go to each store's site and look? I guess maybe a Japanese gamers' forum would have the info?
That plushie and neon figures set both sound good, but the (girls'?) uniform... That's be interesting to see in a cosplay competition. So long as it's done by a girl... :heh:
That's where a friend in Japan comes in handy. Wish I had one, I use a deputy service at animechaos.com and get reemed for commision charges (depending of the value of the item).
You might want to try www.celga.com for a different price. I don't have the time to go and actually compare their prices though.
You might want to try www.celga.com for a different price. I don't have the time to go and actually compare their prices though.
I already have. Depending on the final price of the auction, one can be cheaper than the other at low prices. Once you are into the 2000+ yen bracket, anime chaos gets cheaper than celga. Chaos is cheaper when you're into the big money.
I got the official key pre order !!!
Hahahhhh!!!!
I love that buru buru botan thing.....
Dojoo
Leo_Otaku
2004-05-02, 14:34
KANON BACKPACK???? I WANT!!
I wanted the cute little piggy plushi :( buuuuuu what is buru buru botan thing.........I WANT *cries*
Are there stores where you can find clannad merchandise like this: http://page7.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/g19608767 i want that Piroshiki!!!
Leo_Otaku
2004-05-02, 14:35
do u think KEY will release a consle version with vioces or not. Just depating if I should get the DVD one or not.
Village Idiot
2004-05-02, 14:47
There's a 99.99% chance that the console version of Clannad will have voices + added stuff
KANON BACKPACK???? I WANT!!
Haha, I've been debating for a couple days on whether or not to try to get a Kanon back pack. That's exactly the type of merchandise I like to collect. Something very representative of the show in my memory. I want the talking frog alarm clock, too. Do they have those?
Leo_Otaku
2004-05-02, 22:51
have never seen the backpack as a merchandise item I made one tho ^-^" I want the talking frog. They may have made one japan ebay (bidville) or yahoo japan has items up. I love to look at the pictures all day and drool LOL.
have never seen the backpack as a merchandise item I made one tho ^-^" I want the talking frog. They may have made one japan ebay (bidville) or yahoo japan has items up. I love to look at the pictures all day and drool LOL.
Looking at one on YJ right now. Has an official looking Kanon "Super Premium Campaign" "not for sale" box.
The only Kanon clock I have seen is a wall clock with a picture of Nayuki and a stuffed frog for 30000+ yen. :twitch:
Finished Furukawa Nagisa's scenario Saturday
now going on to Fujibayashi Kyo & Fujibayashi Ryo sisters...
man, this is going to be one heck of a long story...I am almost certain that the real story won't start until I cleared the rest of the characters....
Well, at least it's Golden Week.
Well, at least it's Golden Week.
I wonder if Key planned it that way.... ;)
Leo_Otaku
2004-05-03, 23:05
Finished Furukawa Nagisa's scenario Saturday
now going on to Fujibayashi Kyo & Fujibayashi Ryo sisters...
man, this is going to be one heck of a long story...I am almost certain that the real story won't start until I cleared the rest of the characters....
Well, at least it's Golden Week.
Awesome!!!! WTG *cheer*
Maybe we can pay you for a translation :) :thinker:
Kero Gunsou
2004-05-04, 14:21
That's a lot of text to translate... :heh:
Mr_Paper
2004-05-04, 16:49
There's a 99.99% chance that the console version of Clannad will have voices + added stuffAll the more reason to wait for it. ^_^
End of golden week, and yet I still have only finished the Furukawa Nagisa, Fujimura Kyo and Fujimura Ryo sisters, Koumura-sensei and Hiiragi Kappei...
I just started on Ichinose Kotomi...
I wanted the cute little piggy plushi :( buuuuuu what is buru buru botan thing.........I WANT *cries*
Botan is the name of Fujimura Kyo's pet "pig." Well it's not actually a "pig," but a child boar. "buru buru" is one of Botan's pet tricks....he shakes him(her?)self and if you put it on your shoulder, you have a shoulder massager （笑
Botan is the name of Fujimura Kyo's pet "pig." Well it's not actually a "pig," but a child boar. "buru buru" is one of Botan's pet tricks....he shakes him(her?)self and if you put it on your shoulder, you have a shoulder massager （笑
Is Botan some rare obscure food reference? I mean... you had Piroshky.... Potato..... etc. <.<
I haven't played Clannad yet (my cousin hasn;t sent it over yet!!!!!!)
(ga...gao...) so I don't know but Botan as a word doesn't have anything to do with food or any food names.
Piro was named after Piroshiki - russian style nikuman (meat bun that makoto is always eatin) so I understand
but I always wondered what Potato has to do with anything in Air
Maybe if it was named "Somen" or "MugiMugi" I'd understand :)
like
..."kimi wo mugimugi kun dai ichi gou ni ninnmei shicahuzo!!!!!"
crazy girl...
Dojoo
Leo_Otaku
2004-05-05, 21:45
i want Botan he seems so CUTE! If anyone wants to sell me a plush let me know. Hey kj1980 is the stories really good so far...maybe you can give us some spoilers ^-^ *wonders if the girls are animals*
I looked up Botan and it says:
botan= button
botan= tree peony
YuuOminae
2004-05-06, 02:42
There's also botan nabe, aka boar nabe.
"If you find this suitcase, please take it to our daughter -K&M Ich"
･ﾟ･(ﾉД`)･ﾟ･｡
Leo_Otaku
2004-05-08, 22:34
"If you find this suitcase, please take it to our daughter -K&M Ich"
･ﾟ･(ﾉД`)･ﾟ･｡
hrrrm? is that a quote? ^-^
Is that a tag on the bonus suitcase?
Leo_Otaku
2004-05-13, 11:12
*bump* hey i wanna know what it meant
And spoilers :) *grin*
So has anyone finished the game yet? Thoughts, review? I need to live vicariously though someone in Japan. :)
and while people are drooling for the AIR movie, when's the AIR tv coming out? They're using the same char designs from the kanon anime!!! YEAY
and while people are drooling for the AIR movie, when's the AIR tv coming out? They're using the same char designs from the kanon anime!!! YEAY
It will come out as a 12 episode series starting in January 2005 as far as we know.
Anyone know where i can find the opening theme in audio format (not movie, besides the 2 op movies skip a bit halfway through)
Anyone know where i can find the opening theme in audio format (not movie, besides the 2 op movies skip a bit halfway through)
They should be on the 3rd disc of the Clannad OST.
Crystal Requiem
2007-05-24, 14:09
I don't know how long I can wait before the anime finally comes out, I'm probably going to download the H-Game until then, and maybe look for the manga. Uguuu~ I can't wait till October! :(
FatPianoBoy
2007-05-24, 14:12
I don't know how long I can wait before the anime finally comes out, I'm probably going to download the H-Game until then
*Inhales*
Clannad is not an H-game
;)
Ascaloth
2007-05-24, 20:04
*Inhales*
Clannad is not an H-game
;)
:naughty: I wonder if FPB is about to go on another negging spree. :naughty:
FatPianoBoy
2007-05-24, 21:46
:naughty: I wonder if FPB is about to go on another negging spree. :naughty:
I can't really neg for something like that. It's an easy mistake to make considering KEY's first two games. Heck, I was pretty surprised myself when I found out.
Alas, it seems I'll never live down my methods during the Spoiler Wars.
Hmm... I've got it! From now on, anyone who mentions my negging people gets negged. That'll put a stop to this once and for all.
Kidding, of course.
velocity7
2007-05-25, 00:41
A hint for people...
Before you start assuming CLANNAD as an H-game, play the damn game first.
Or wait for my game translation to be done.
FatPianoBoy
2007-05-25, 00:45
A hint for people...
Before you start assuming CLANNAD as an H-game, play the damn game first.
Or wait for my game translation to be done.
Or, better yet, just read the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article...
Ascaloth
2007-05-25, 01:04
Or wait for my game translation to be done.
And when will it be done?
(Face it, you knew this question was coming. :p )
Mirrinus
2007-05-25, 01:59
Or, better yet, just read the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article...
To be fair...the Wikipedia article on Clannad doesn't explicitly state that it's not an H-game until the SECOND paragraph...^_^
FatPianoBoy
2007-05-25, 02:34
And when will it be done?
(Face it, you knew this question was coming. :p )
When it's done.
(Face it, you knew this answer was coming :p)
@Mirrinus: Then someone went and changed the thing on me. Or my memory sucks. Since it's Wikipedia, both are likely.
Crystal Requiem
2007-05-25, 06:38
I haven't downloaded it yet so I really can't assume much of anything. And wether or not it's an h-game doesn't matter, I'm still gonna get it. :P
dgreater1
2007-05-25, 20:38
You can buy your CLANNAD stuffs here as you can see :3
Himeya Shop (http://www.himeyashop.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=CLANNAD&osCsid=82fcda687fec2c4d9c23bca094a2ed04&x=0&y=0)
It'd be much better if us, the fan, help CLANNAD bloom to popularity :3 Anyway, the translation project is going smoothly so there's no need to be worried. You can rest assure that you won't regret you bought it :p You need to wait some time for it to have a release though :p But like they said, it will come once it's done :D
Anyway, once we have a separate category for CLANNAD, let's make sure that there's a big Sticky thread above that says "CLANNAD is not an H-Game or ERO-Game" explaining why it is not.
Hahahahahahaha :heh: That would surely help innocent people understand they were mislead to the fact.
Anyway, be sure to BUY it! It never hurts to support the company that creates your favorite :D
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-26, 01:16
You can buy your CLANNAD stuffs here as you can see :3
Himeya Shop (http://www.himeyashop.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=CLANNAD&osCsid=82fcda687fec2c4d9c23bca094a2ed04&x=0&y=0)
It'd be much better if us, the fan, help CLANNAD bloom to popularity :3 Anyway, the translation project is going smoothly so there's no need to be worried. You can rest assure that you won't regret you bought it :p You need to wait some time for it to have a release though :p But like they said, it will come once it's done :D
Anyway, once we have a separate category for CLANNAD, let's make sure that there's a big Sticky thread above that says "CLANNAD is not an H-Game or ERO-Game" explaining why it is not.
Hahahahahahaha :heh: That would surely help innocent people understand they were mislead to the fact.
Anyway, be sure to BUY it! It never hurts to support the company that creates your favorite :D
Yeah I don't think it needs any help blooming to popularity there. In fact, the shows meer existence and who is doing it, guarantees it will be the biggest hit of the season. I can hardly wait.....
Seriously just sit back and watch, you don't have to lift a finger and people will flock to the game and the anime like moths to a flame (Wait that's not a good analogy :confused:). I can't think of anything else though.
@Crystal Requiem: You probably shouldn't be saying your downloading the game, seriously. You see, now what you've done is you have shown you don't support Key by purchasing the game and helping them profit. I'm not going to stick around to find what's left of you. Good Luck :uhoh:
velocity7
2007-05-26, 10:05
Like Kaoshin_Sama said, a game like this doesn't deserve to be downloaded.
I bought my copy (PS2). What say you? :o
Ascaloth
2007-05-26, 12:42
Like Kaoshin_Sama said, a game like this doesn't deserve to be downloaded.
I bought my copy (PS2). What say you? :o
If you have a PC copy, I'll buy it AFTER you've released the English patch. :p
I bought my copy (PS2). What say you? :o
I bought the PC and PS2 version just so I can use the voice patch and play the game fully voiced on PC... *cough*
Seriously just sit back and watch, you don't have to lift a finger and people will flock to the game and the anime like moths to a flame
That's true. And that's when I usually abandon the series subforum because I can't stand the massive number of posts and threads that comes with the crowd of fans. (I was one of the first posters for series like Fate or Haruhi, but runs away once the subforum grows big)
It's sad, but once CLANNAD gets its own forum and reaches the "5 pages of new post in the latest episode thread 2 hours after airing" status, I know I'll probably be gone. :heh:
Crystal Requiem
2007-05-27, 03:21
@Crystal Requiem: You probably shouldn't be saying your downloading the game, seriously. You see, now what you've done is you have shown you don't support Key by purchasing the game and helping them profit. I'm not going to stick around to find what's left of you. Good Luck :uhoh:
I don't quite see where it says this game is licensed. However I shall find a free demo version if that so pleases the angry hord coming after me with torch and pitchfork. I suppport the comapnies fully, though I don't plan on buying anything not worth my time.
Like Kaoshin_Sama said, a game like this doesn't deserve to be downloaded.
That isn't his point, really. AFAIK, Kaoshin_Sama hates Key stories and routinely argues with the fans. He doesn't enjoy visual novels either and despises how they've gained market dominance over adult RPGs/SRPGs/SLGs/etc (so from his perspective, Key games aren't worth buying. That said, I'm not suggesting that he would encourage people to pirate them, despite his views on how visual novels/moé negatively affect the market's direction).
Kaoshin_Sama is more or less trying to make a statement about the blind, rabid fanboyism of many Kyoto Animation/Key worshipers (who lash out at anyone daring to value these works as something less than pure platinum).
You see, now what you've done is you have shown you don't support Key by purchasing the game and helping them profit. I'm not going to stick around to find what's left of you.
There may be hordes of KyoAni/Key proponents, but how many of them support official product? Probably only a small fraction, I'd wager (enough for this scene to provide some beneficial side effects for the industry, but probably not enough to strongly influence the sales of most individual titles).
The rest will merely download the anime and game, despite their enthusiasm. That's the nature of this fandom. Free entertainment, with the flimsy justification that we're doing copyright holders a favor by raising product awareness.
My hope is for those who really love certain products to eventually support the official releases, even if purchases are decided on a try before you buy basis.
FatPianoBoy
2007-05-27, 19:42
That isn't his point, really. AFAIK, Kaoshin_Sama s Key stories and routinely argues with the fans. He doesn't enjoy visual novels either and despises how they've gained market nce over RPGs/SRPGs/SLGs/etc (so from his perspective, Key games aren't worth buying. That said, I'm not suggesting that he would encourage people to pirate them, despite his views on how visual novels/moé negatively affect the market's direction).
Kaoshin_Sama is more or less trying to make a statement about the blind, rabid fanboyism of many Kyoto Animation/Key worshipers (who lash out at anyone daring to value these works as something less than pure platinum).
Ninth rule of living like a decent human being: don't put words in other's mouths.
;)
velocity7
2007-07-08, 18:02
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8709/op764vk5.th.jpg (http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=op764vk5.jpg)
http://www.mirai.ne.jp/~gotop/
A drama CD adaptation of CLANNAD Another Story was recently announced. Four CDs are planned so far, with the first one releasing on the 27th this month, covering the first four chapters altogether. Two CDs each. Cast is the same as the other drama CDs and the movie, with Nojima Kenji being Okazaki Tomoya.
The Playstation 2 game version was really good...
iamandragon
2007-10-17, 07:14
I don't quite see where it says this game is licensed. However I shall find a free demo version if that so pleases the angry hord coming after me with torch and pitchfork. I suppport the comapnies fully, though I don't plan on buying anything not worth my time.
It WILL be worth your time. I guarentee that, so buy it.
Crystal Requiem
2007-10-17, 18:25
*Inhales*
Clannad is not an H-game
Oh yes it is, hehe, oh yes it is. Just depends on the maker and where you get it. Ooh~
It WILL be worth your time. I guarentee that, so buy it.
Did you bump this topic just to respond to a post made who knows how many months ago? Thanks, but so far I haven't seen anything to prove it's worth past the CGs.
I've asked questions about the game, and instead of answers I got morals. Please stop drilling into my backside.
Oh yes it is, hehe, oh yes it is. Just depends on the maker and where you get it. Ooh~
Why do you continue to insist that CLANNAD is a H-game, when it clearly isn't? It's an all-ages VN in both its PC and PS2 incarnations.
Did you bump this topic just to respond to a post made who knows how many months ago? Thanks, but so far I haven't seen anything to prove it's worth past the CGs.
I've asked questions about the game, and instead of answers I got morals. Please stop drilling into my backside.
Well you can't really see if there's anything worth playing for without going into details about the plot. If you want specifics about the plot, you'd best ask one of the people who have played it via PM why they have thought it is worth getting.
As far as I know, as someone who hasn't played through the VN before, the story is very intricate and lengthy, going into details about each of the characters along each of the routes.
My honest suggestion is, if you don't understand it, don't play it just for the sake of the CGs! Because with Maeda Jun's writing style, you won't understand any of it. Thus pretty much destroying your image of what a wonderful experience it could have been.
Crystal Requiem
2007-10-17, 21:04
Why do you continue to insist that CLANNAD is a H-game, when it clearly isn't? It's an all-ages VN in both its PC and PS2 incarnations.
Alright alright, I'm not insisting anything. The official version no, versions made by other people yes. I'm not talking about the PS2 and the real PC ones, I was talking about a different one altogether with graphics that are damn near the same as the real game. Now I can't call it the official version and you may think one has nothing to do with the other, however in different hobbies lie different tastes and I call them as I see them.
Well you can't really see if there's anything worth playing for without going into details about the plot. If you want specifics about the plot, you'd best ask one of the people who have played it via PM why they have thought it is worth getting. As far as I know, as someone who hasn't played through the VN before, the story is very intricate and lengthy, going into details about each of the characters along each of the routes. My honest suggestion is, if you don't understand it, don't play it just for the sake of the CGs! Because with Maeda Jun's writing style, you won't understand any of it. Thus pretty much destroying your image of what a wonderful experience it could have been.
I really don't see how hard it is to rate it on different aspects, to say if it's anything like the anime in humor, drama, or story-line. The least to say if it's interesting at all, or just a boring game with nothing but backgrounds on the characters. A ratio even, how many liked it to how many didn't.
If we both like the anime then we can atleast say our tastes are similar in that one thing. IS IT GOOD? I don't wanna know how long it will take to play, I don't care just how complex it is, I just want a simple f***ing opinion on if it's good or not. Is it funny? Sad? Can you base it off of anything else that can tell me if it's worth it to ME or not? I don't want some detailed lengthy statement that acts as if I make games myself and can appreciate all the little extraordinary things about it. I seriously don't know a lot of things that people say about this game. It's a game, meant to be played and enjoyed, not a showcase for the company and all the hardware terms used to describe it.
Please, don't bother anymore, if I can't get a straight and simple opinion out of anyone, it just means I'm not going to like it. End of discussion.
Ascaloth
2007-10-17, 22:13
Can you base it off of anything else that can tell me if it's worth it to ME or not?
Eh-to, how can anyone tell you that when they are not YOU? :heh:
Please, don't bother anymore, if I can't get a straight and simple opinion out of anyone, it just means I'm not going to like it. End of discussion.
Ok, fine. You want a straight and simple opinion? Then I'll summarize in one word what everybody else has been failing to do in their relative essays, whether it is worth it: YES. :p
Now, have I played it? No, and that's only because I haven't the ability to read Japanese fluently yet. And the minute velocity7 and his team completes the English patch for it, that's gonna change. :D
iamandragon
2007-10-18, 12:45
The straightest answer is Yes, like Ascaloth said. But it actually depends. If you have zero experience of playing a visual novel/reading an actual novel, then the answer is definitely a 'no'. CLANNAD is a long long story such that I certainly won't recommend it to any first timers. In fact, most of the top class visual novels are too lengthy for first time players. Instead, I'd recommend ANY first-timers to play narcissu or something as short.
I remember playing an English visual novel made by an non-Japanese but I forgot it's name. It begins with the main character meeting a girl on a moonlit beach who is later found to be a ghost and such. It's free, and there're multiple endings depending on the character's choices. If anyone recalls please tell me--really want to see it again.
Nightengale
2007-10-18, 23:56
Crystal, try starting by listing things you liked of similar genres, whether or not you're fond of reading stories of 1st person perspectives, or extremely long stories and such. No matter how good Clannad is, if one cannot relate to the material and its execution, it's pointless. It's like asking someone who cannot stand psychological horror and tentacles to play Saya no Uta or someone who's not fond of Nasu's writing style to like Fate and Tsukihime.
We will never know if it'll be worth your time if you just outright ask like that. Not everyone thinks Harry Potter is a great series. Not everyone enjoys a Song of Ice and Fire. The world is made of diversity and differing opinions.
I never played much (( just restarted on the PC version one to coincide with the anime since I have no time for PS2 Clannad with Persona III and ACE III. )), but from little I played, it's simple atmosphere and enjoyable characters (( Sunohara )) were good enough to pull me into it.
Crystal Requiem
2007-10-19, 02:36
Crystal, try starting by listing things you liked of similar genres, whether or not you're fond of reading stories of 1st person perspectives, or extremely long stories and such. No matter how good Clannad is, if one cannot relate to the material and its execution, it's pointless. It's like asking someone who cannot stand psychological horror and tentacles to play Saya no Uta or someone who's not fond of Nasu's writing style to like Fate and Tsukihime.
I loved that game.
We will never know if it'll be worth your time if you just outright ask like that. Not everyone thinks Harry Potter is a great series. Not everyone enjoys a Song of Ice and Fire. The world is made of diversity and differing opinions.
This is all very true, but I had made the point that a game is to be enjoyed, not to be broken down into what it's made up of. I had asked if it was anything like the anime show, I didn't get a straight answer. I know I'm not asking for anything detailed but a simple yes or no from fellow Clannad watchers, and I should have asked somebody who actually played it. However regarding the fact that I asked if it was anything like the show in genere, if you know everything about the game but have not actually played it yourself, why answer? It wouldn't be the first time I've been ignored, like everybody else at one point. I just got useless information. I finally got my answer from iamandragon but after he continued with "but...[insert yet another pointless paragraph here]"
That's enough, I got what I was looking for, I'm not going to get the game. This is the end of discussion. I seriously can't control myself and the next offense I make gets me banned(though when the time comes, I probably won't care).
Thank you all for your wonderous help, I'm out.
iamandragon
2007-10-19, 08:41
Well if you think it's pointless ignore them and view it as a 'yes' only---go buy CLANNAD! : P
Messerschmitt_Bf-109
2007-10-19, 16:14
So I just read the wiki article on the game. I started at 4:10 and at 4:13 my head exploded.
iamandragon
2007-10-19, 17:39
So I just read the wiki article on the game. I started at 4:10 and at 4:13 my head exploded.
huh? what happened?
Probably exploded from all the spoilers which are on those Key-associated wiki pages.
Messerschmitt_Bf-109
2007-10-19, 17:57
I don't care about spoilers, but what was happening is what made it explode. The fact he has to go an help others to save his daughter's, wife's and his life....still confused.
iamandragon
2007-10-19, 18:07
Don't spoil yourself even before playing the game--the reason that the phantasm world is split in 10 parts is so that you can accept it slowly, not all in one go!
Messerschmitt_Bf-109
2007-10-19, 18:34
I won't get the game. I don't mind spoilers, I always just get spoilers before I watch a show. I got curious about Clannad the show so I wiki'd Clannad.
iamandragon
2007-10-19, 19:16
told you. The many stories of CLANNAD is actually one big story--now you get the image right? Make sure you don't spoil the others as they don't like it! ^^
iamandragon
2007-10-21, 19:35
Just re-watched episode one again, and now I noticed one thing: How come out of all of the gamers here, none, noticed this shot at all!?
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2062/lightvp5.png
Count the lights, there are a total of 7--AS is definite showing up!
All right it was there for less than a second, but hey...
houkoholic
2007-10-22, 10:16
There is no question that Kyou is a tsundere, and it's so obvious from her action in her route:
Like I said before, her entire conflict in her arc is exactly because she is tsundere!
One, she hides the fact from Ryou that she actually already fell in love with Tomoya and claim they're were just "buddies" when Ryou confessed her and questioned Kyou and Tomoya's relationship, when we knew that Kyou already had a crush on Tomoya since they were in the same class in 2nd year. That's like THE trademark tsundere action - the tsundere girl's first reaction to being accused of in love with the guy is to deny the fact that they are only "mates" or that "I'm straightening out the guy cos he's an idiot" . eg Eri rom School Rumble, and as I brought up before, Chidori from FMP. :p
Two, she does all these things, such as making the bentos for Ryou and Tomoya, practicing the kiss with Tomoya etc, but continously insist that it's because she wants Tomoya/Ryou to get together and resort to using brash words to hide and deny she had feelings for Tomoya, despite it's perfectly clear that she's so madly in love with him, even to the point that everyone else thinks Tomoya is actually going out with Kyou and not Ryou. This is second tsundere trademark - I'm doing this not because I love you but *insert random made up reason*.
Tsundere doesn't mean that you have to be changing between abusive and lovey-dovey - rather it's a quality where the girl is denying she has feelings for the person despite the audience can clearly see the fact that her action says otherwise (even someone as dense as Sunohara FWIW saw this). In a nutshell, tsundere is being dishonest about ones own feelings (EDIT: This is even supported by the Japanese wiki definition)
It's preciously because she is tsundere that she dug her own grave in her arc and caused everyone involve to suffer (which is also why her arc was so painful to play and doesn't add anything to the Clannad theme, but that's other topic altogether). There is absolutely no case about Kyou not being tsundere. ;)
EDIT: the Japanese Wiki (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%84%E3%83%B3%E3%83%87%E3%83%AC) has a very detail breakdown of the different types of the "tsun" in tsundere. And Kyou fits squarely in one of them - the "bad buddy" type (afterall it is an overused archtype in many anime and games). Case closed. ;)
EDIT2: Kyou is voted as a C rank tsundere on 2ch (http://ex13.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ranking/1128648607/).
Kinny Riddle
2007-10-22, 12:06
Goodness. At first I thought it means a Bad End where Tomoya ends up dumping all the girls and only has Sunohara as his friend, but I never thought the name of the ending was to be taken literally. LOL
Easily one of the "best" endings. :D
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm233471
Kyonichi
2007-10-23, 07:15
Just re-watched episode one again, and now I noticed one thing: How come out of all of the gamers here, none, noticed this shot at all!?
Count the lights, there are a total of 7--AS is definite showing up!
All right it was there for less than a second, but hey...
What would happen when you get one light or all of them in the game?
iamandragon
2007-10-23, 13:45
What would happen when you get one light or all of them in the game?
7 or 8 lights will unlock After Story, and when you get ALL the lights(13 I think?) you will get to see the one and true ending.
Kyonichi
2007-10-24, 07:01
7 or 8 lights will unlock After Story, and when you get ALL the lights(13 I think?) you will get to see the one and true ending.
ahhh thanks for the information.
I've gone through Tomoyo, Kyou, Kotomi, Yukine and Misae route, probably leaving Nagisa route behind for the anime. I'm slightly disappointed at Kyou and Misae route. On Misae route, the relationship between her and Tomoya is left uncertain in the end. Kyou route, maybe I was expecting abit too much from it as her route is one of my top3 most anticipated routes. It didn't give me the same impact that Tomoyo and Kotomi gave.
Yukine route is one of the most cheerful route in the game but sadly the most disappointing route/ending for me. I mean C'MON even Misae get to lean and sleep beside Tomoya in their ending and all you got to see in Yukine route is them talking about the light? OTL or am I missing something..
iamandragon
2007-10-24, 12:54
Kyou route is my favourite--none of those complicated sci-fi stuff. And Ryou's final speech is quite sad too.
Yukine route...apparantly she was supposed to be the main heroin...But because of the size of Ryou and Kyou's route...go to the FAQ and keep a daily look out for my translation for the script writer interview. Tomorrow will be on Tomoyo's part.
The ending of Misae also has its meaning too. Because it is the most common 'primary route' (as in first route players go through) as suggested in the official guide, it is actually a reflection of Nagisa's route. There you can find many closely related scenes in hers and Nagisa's route.
if you want to know more, wait till the interview is translated...or help me translate...
eMpTy265
2007-10-24, 22:18
I've gone through Tomoyo, Kyou, Kotomi, Yukine and Misae route, probably leaving Nagisa route behind for the anime. I'm slightly disappointed at Kyou and Misae route. On Misae route, the relationship between her and Tomoya is left uncertain in the end. Kyou route, maybe I was expecting abit too much from it as her route is one of my top3 most anticipated routes. It didn't give me the same impact that Tomoyo and Kotomi gave.
Yukine route is one of the most cheerful route in the game but sadly the most disappointing route/ending for me. I mean C'MON even Misae get to lean and sleep beside Tomoya in their ending and all you got to see in Yukine route is them talking about the light? OTL or am I missing something..
(I can't believe I've stopped lurking due to Clannad)
The Kyou/Ryou route was considered anti-Key for many, and thus might disappoint you if you were looking for something more Key-styled & supernatural.
(Personally I found Kyou's route pretty satisfying, especially when I finally got it after 3 bad ends + Ryou's "bad" end....)
(Curses the producers for forcing me to 'emotionally 2-time' in order to get Kyou's true end :p ... and where's my 'take both' ending? "oh yeah, Clannad is non-ero", ... )
***
Yukine's closure came at the last CG, and the last part regarding the light can be seen as an epilogue.
Considering how her route was rather light to begin with, I think the kiss scene at the grave was enough. Not to mention Tomoya kissed Yukine in front of all the 'thugs'. (I wonder if he got royally beat up for it?)
BTW, if you didn't play the part about the storage room curse, replay Yukine's route again, making sure you get through with each girl :D (IMO, the best part of her route)
and also Ch.10 on G.Dengeki
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I think I read someplace that stated that Tomoyo's and Misae's routes were the most open-ended, in that the couple's relationship 'just started' (i.e. they didn't go through too much together)
At least when I played through, it felt as if Tomoya's development with Misae hasn't started yet, or at least it didn't feel genuine.
It almost felt as if all Tomoya's actions were due to the cat's spirit trying to keep her promise with Misae. (Down to the "I like you because you're strict, you worry about me, and you smell nice... oh and you're pretty too." <- same thing the cat said)
Furthermore, Misae's light orb would not be granted in her route, but rather Tomoyo's route when Misae plays with the cat. This made me feel that Misae's route wasn't about Tomoya + Misae, but rather Misae + the cat...
As for Tomoyo, the ending seemed open because Tomoya didn't do much when it mattered ...
He basically reverted to his old-self after he broke up with Tomoyo, and didn't experience the growth he did in several of the other routes. The several months later treatment also got on my nerves a bit, but oh well.... at least in the end he got back together with Tomoyo...
(Question: Where was everyone else during this time? Did Kyou / Ryou / Nagisa etc suddenly disappear off the surface of the earth? [OK, fine, I wasn't supposed to be on good terms with them if I was playing Tomoyo route, but still...])
(Anyways, Tomoya makes up for his inactivity in Tomoyo After... )
(Tomoyo OTL.... LOL...)
Kang Seung Jae
2007-10-25, 02:28
There is no question that Kyou is a tsundere, and it's so obvious from her action in her route:
If we're talkng about the game.
Kinny Riddle
2007-10-25, 09:36
If we're talkng about the game.
Of course we're bloody talking about the game. Does this mean you acknowledge at least that the Kyou in the game is a Tsundere? :cool:
And if you think anime Kyou, which is basically based on game Kyou, is going on a different path, then you're seriously mistaken, I'm afraid. :D
(Curses the producers for forcing me to 'emotionally 2-time' in order to get Kyou's true end ... and where's my 'take both' ending? "oh yeah, Clannad is non-ero", ... )
When playing Kyou's route, I really thought I was playing Ryou's route. It was fun seeing cute Ryou blush while dating Tomoya, my heart melted many times. I too curse Maeda Jun and Suzumoto Ryouichi (the scenario writers for Kyou/Ryou/Kappei route) for forcing me to see Tomoya back out on Ryou so he can end up with Kyou. Guess Kappei's inclusion is there to appease us Ryou fans.
Somehow, this feels like a recycle of Makoto's route in Kanon. Parts of it anyway.
The Softball Route has got to be one of the most entertaining sideshows I've seen, as it involves almost everyone. Akio drags Tomoya to form a motley crew softball team to take on the rival shopping district's softball team. I'm pretty intrigued as to how Misae and Yoshino Yuusuke knew each other. Though maybe it was an error on the writers' part that Yoshino did not recognize Fuuko. Or maybe he's never seen the "real her" in the hospital.
Speaking of Fuuko, how do you get her to level up and reach "Fuuko MASTER"? I've only mastered some of her skills. I'll try and play her scenario again as I've yet to get her True End.
Compared to Kanon's Ayu, Fuuko's ability to project her image is not as strong as Ayu. While Ayu can project her solid image at all times without anyone forgetting her, Fuuko struggles to just get Tomoya to remember she existed. Make sure you don't watch Shakugan no Shana while playing Fuuko's route, or you get all sorts of funny ideas about existence, lol.
Koumura's ending - Requires you to lose the 3-on-3 basketball game (which can be a whole sidequest by itself). Certainly the shortest and weakest of all the "light orb" endings. His story just came out of the blue (branching off from Nagisa's route) and it was hardly memorable, if you ask me. Yet his ending was necessary for me to get Tomoyo's 64 Hit Perfect Combo.
These two are the only two stories I've seen so far making direct mention of these Light Orbs. Yukine says there's a legend that these orbs represent the "happiness" of the people in the town.
Kotomi's parents were astrophysicists, and their research seems to hint at something about how to enter these "separate worlds". Tomoya also encounters an Orb in her story.
Finally, since I'm at it, I might as well ask: Who on earth is "Jet Saito"!? lol
iamandragon
2007-10-25, 09:54
For Fuko master, go to the FAQ. There should be a detailed Fuko route walkthrough which shows you how to aquire Fuko master and Fuko ninja.
As for Koumura, it's quite obvious how that it doesn't appeal to the westerns. In the east, youths are taught to respect their seniors, teachers, most importantly. Koumura's route actually shows us the development of Sunohara and Tomoya once they know more about Koumura and shows that within a corner of their heart, there is still a space left for them to actually be good.
But that still doesn't change the fact that Koumura's route is the weakest--even the Kappei route shows boy-girl romance!
eMpTy265
2007-10-25, 10:27
For Fuko master, go to the FAQ. There should be a detailed Fuko route walkthrough which shows you how to aquire Fuko master and Fuko ninja.
As for Koumura, it's quite obvious how that it doesn't appeal to the westerns. In the east, youths are taught to respect their seniors, teachers, most importantly. Koumura's route actually shows us the development of Sunohara and Tomoya once they know more about Koumura and shows that within a corner of their heart, there is still a space left for them to actually be good.
But that still doesn't change the fact that Koumura's route is the weakest--even the Kappei route shows boy-girl romance!
I'd get scarred for life if they showed romance in Koumura's route =P
Anyone know what was the point of Kappei's route (apart from licking the wounds of Ryou fans?) Cuz Kappei's route didn't seem to have a huge impact at all...
The whole cancer deal wasn't played out long enough, and the resolution was abrupt at best... and what the heck did they do to Ryou's character?!
Are they suggesting that Ryou's the type of girl that will change 180-degrees once she meets her 'destined' person? She wasn't that bold even in Kyou's route, where she was getting desparate...
Though it had its funny moments... OTL style..
Ryou: "I have your child..... "
Kappei / Tomoya "WTF?!"
Kappei "Tomoya... when did you and Ryou?"
Tomoya "It wasn't me"
<...>
Kappei "But I didn't ... with Ryou yet"
Ryou "I did it when you were sleeping"
... OTL
Anyways, the story felt somewhere out there, and I'm still confused what it's supposed to tell me...
Something along the lines of 'there are certain things that only family members can do?'
Kinny Riddle
2007-10-25, 13:20
For Fuko master, go to the FAQ. There should be a detailed Fuko route walkthrough which shows you how to aquire Fuko master and Fuko ninja.
As for Koumura, it's quite obvious how that it doesn't appeal to the westerns. In the east, youths are taught to respect their seniors, teachers, most importantly. Koumura's route actually shows us the development of Sunohara and Tomoya once they know more about Koumura and shows that within a corner of their heart, there is still a space left for them to actually be good.
But that still doesn't change the fact that Koumura's route is the weakest--even the Kappei route shows boy-girl romance!
Which FAQ? There are tonnes out there.
I currently use this one
http://yuzz21.web.fc2.com/CLANNAD.html
and this one (under the "Key" section, and then "Clannad walkthrough")
http://www15.plala.or.jp/scp/
And FYI, I'm an Oriental Asian born and raised in Asia, so I've no problem getting the respect teacher thingy, but I still think Koumura's route is the weakest in that the old man's not given enough screen time beforehand. The transition from Nagisa route branching into his route seems abrupt and awkward.
@ eMpTy265, lol yeah. Not even Kyou would say something like that.
Perhaps Ryou really does find the best in herself once she's found her destined one. She's actually behaving more mature than her sister here. While Kyou may act like the protective big sister most of the time, in Kappei's story, she's exposed as the insecure big sister when she finds out Ryou has a boyfriend and is keeping that secret from him. She's so cute when she pouts about that to Tomoya. :love:
iamandragon
2007-10-25, 17:11
There's only one FAQ in this forum isn't there?
PhantomX
2007-10-25, 21:24
Would they really end an arc so soon? If you see in the preview after Tomoya's hair is waving in the wind he looks up to see a light orb going into the sky...
Kyonichi
2007-10-26, 02:39
Kyou route is my favourite--none of those complicated sci-fi stuff.
The Kyou/Ryou route was considered anti-Key for many, and thus might disappoint you if you were looking for something more Key-styled & supernatural.
I guess that is what's missing in her route and speaking of missing.. I just got through Fuko's route... WHY DO YOU HAVE TO DO THIS TO ME KEY OTL
Fuko's route completely overwhelmed me. Although I have to admit that I have already read most of her spoiler through the wiki character page and I was actually expecting what's going to happen next.
Is it me or Tomoyo went on aggro mode to persuade Tomoya earlier on in the game? :p just noticed it after I played her route for the second time, I always thought it was Tomoya who goes for her first.
On Tomoya leaving Tomoyo
I am very/extremely angry by his decision but after I thought twice bout it, I could understand why he did it. It's definitely harsh to leave Tomoyo at that time which I think she needed him the most but there was no way out in their situation.. just too harsh.
If I was labeled a "delinquent" I would
a. beat up the teacher that was talking about my situation with my girlfriend
b. beat up the kid that was talking about my situation with my girlfriend
but Tomoyo will definitely get angry about it and say "it's true" :heh:
I think Tomoyo is abit too harsh there, people have right to get angry when their love one or themselves being harshly talk about by others.
Yukine's epilogue is fairy different from the others, I would like to see what happened after the kissing event (relationship development), like what most other heroine did. For example, Kyou talked about her hair while they were walking to school. Tomoyo, her brother and Tomoya under the cherry blossom tree. Fuko's confession. Would be perfect if Yukine rest on Tomoya's lap or they could mention about the light part while she rest on Tomoya's lap.
Am I the only one waiting for Yukine to say "Ahaha~" when she laugh?:heh:
if you want to know more, wait till the interview is translated...or help me translate...
My Japanese/Chinese knowledge is fairy limited so don't think I'll be much help, sorry. :/
iamandragon
2007-10-26, 04:17
Fuko's story...it's got one of the three most touching scene, so there's no wonder. And I think the pranks in the beginning is to make up for the tears in the end to balance it.
Same here. I was quite upset with the Tomoyo route. Maybe it's that part of that makes me dislike Tomoyo? Actually not, but it does contribute.
Then pay attention daily then. One part per day. Today's on Kotomi.
Don't you think ending everything like that in Yukine's route is very beautiful? Yukine...she's a side character unlike Tomoyo, Kyou and Fuko. (and she wasn't supposed to be!)
eMpTy265
2007-10-26, 09:56
Is it me or Tomoyo went on aggro mode to persuade Tomoya earlier on in the game? :p just noticed it after I played her route for the second time, I always thought it was Tomoya who goes for her first.
On Tomoya leaving Tomoyo
I am very/extremely angry by his decision but after I thought twice bout it, I could understand why he did it. It's definitely harsh to leave Tomoyo at that time which I think she needed him the most but there was no way out in their situation.. just too harsh.
If I was labeled a "delinquent" I would
a. beat up the teacher that was talking about my situation with my girlfriend
b. beat up the kid that was talking about my situation with my girlfriend
but Tomoyo will definitely get angry about it and say "it's true" :heh:
I think Tomoyo is abit too harsh there, people have right to get angry when their love one or themselves being harshly talk about by others.
Do you mean that Tomoyo was more aggressive the second time you played her route? Or are you saying you noticed that Tomoyo as being the proactive one in her relationship with Tomoya?
Tomoyo was always the one wearing the pants in their relationship, whether it be dragging Tomoya to class, or dropping in on them during lunch session. I think she started become proactive after the 18th (well, technically starting on the 21st). Unfortunately, so far the anime seems to be missing several key flags that suggest we'll be taking her route ><
If there's anything that struck me in Tomoyo's route, it's the whole issue of what males and females think. Typically/traditionally, it seems that males are portrayed in a way such they they are inclined to think about the entire situation, and come to a conclusion that might be objectively suitable. Unfortunately, this "objective" thinking often results in the hurting of the female's feelings.
So while Tomoya made the 'right' choice in leaving Tomoyo, (so that she could pursue her dreams of retaining the sakura trees), he probably did not take into account how hurt Tomoyo was when he left her.
The fact that Tomoyo seemed to be a strong individual made it harder for Tomoya to realize all the pain that Tomoyo was going through. This is also shown in the part where the player fails to enter Tomoyo's route.
(The part where Tomoyo goes "atashi suki no wa.... Tomoyo... omae hitori dake da", and the cooly walks off [while probably crying on the inside] )
Guess I went off on another tangent... gomen..
Yukine's epilogue is fairy different from the others, I would like to see what happened after the kissing event (relationship development), like what most other heroine did. For example, Kyou talked about her hair while they were walking to school. Tomoyo, her brother and Tomoya under the cherry blossom tree. Fuko's confession. Would be perfect if Yukine rest on Tomoya's lap or they could mention about the light part while she rest on Tomoya's lap.
Am I the only one waiting for Yukine to say "Ahaha~" when she laugh?:heh:
My Japanese/Chinese knowledge is fairy limited so don't think I'll be much help, sorry. :/
I got Sayuri vibes the first moment I saw Yukine also... especially the relaxed demeanor and probably her glazed eyes...
Yukine's route wasn't as dramatic as most of the other routes, and so I suppose the writers wanted to give an ending that was as laid-back / relaxed as the entire story route. Besides, Sunohara and Yu were there also, so I suppose Yukine would be too embarassed to sleep on Tomoya before they left :D
Ch.10 of the 'another stories' on dengeki G gives a pretty good 'epilogue' for Yukine's route... you could think of it as an addition.
(As a bonus, you get to see Yukine performing the spells/curses mentioned on the 23/24 :p )
Kinny Riddle
2007-10-30, 13:52
I have a question concerning the game's OP sequence.
Now I'm sure everyone would know that the OP sequence is only viewable in Nagisa's route, on the end of May 2nd, to be specific.
Well, I got to that point in the game. Once the screen faded black at the end of the last scene, the OP sequence is supposed to begin playing, but somehow all I get is a blank screen with a funnel cursor, after a few seconds, I was taken straight to "Illusionary World VII" and "May 3rd" without even viewing the OP.
I accessed the MPEG file directly from the folder and it played fine on Quicktime, so I don't know why the OP movie can't load in the game.
Anyone got this problem?
eMpTy265
2007-10-30, 14:38
I have a question concerning the game's OP sequence.
Now I'm sure everyone would know that the OP sequence is only viewable in Nagisa's route, on the end of May 2nd, to be specific.
Well, I got to that point in the game. Once the screen faded black at the end of the last scene, the OP sequence is supposed to begin playing, but somehow all I get is a blank screen with a funnel cursor, after a few seconds, I was taken straight to "Illusionary World VII" and "May 3rd" without even viewing the OP.
I accessed the MPEG file directly from the folder and it played fine on Quicktime, so I don't know why the OP movie can't load in the game.
Anyone got this problem?
I'm assuming that you didn't click anything while the video was playing ;)
Oh, and did the file work on something like MPC when you're disconnected from the internet? (I don't think it matters, but just to rule out the downloaded codec issue)
I'm not 100% sure, but sometime conflicting codec pack would cause that happen (or it could be a bad codec)... where the file works outside of a game but not inside.
I once installed a codec pack that killed all embedded .avi .mpg files embedded.
You might want to try uninstalling your codec packs, then installing something like
(Of course I'm just speculating... has this problem happened to any other programs / games? (e.g. tomoyo after? shuffle? etc.)
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If it's not that problem, it could be your gameexe.ini
For my gameexe.ini, the related line is as follows.
#FOLDNAME.MOV = "MOV" = 0 : "MOV.PAK"
FYI, the file inside the \CLANNAD\MOV\ is "op00.mpg" (86,810KB)
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oh BTW... I read that sometime versions of the seen.txt will cause a hang similar to this as well... you might want to look into that as well...
PM me if you want a certain seen.txt file, I'll see if I have it.
iamandragon
2007-10-30, 14:42
Just right click on the movie file, go to properties and set it to be played with Windows Media Player. That solved the problem for me.
Kyonichi
2007-10-30, 22:59
Then pay attention daily then. One part per day. Today's on Kotomi.
Don't you think ending everything like that in Yukine's route is very beautiful? Yukine...she's a side character unlike Tomoyo, Kyou and Fuko. (and she wasn't supposed to be!)
Thanks for the translation. :)
Everything in Yukine's route is beautiful.. until the ending :p but thats just my opinion, guess I will probably go through her route again once or twice and think about it. Her route does looks like she is one of the heroine, shame she isn't.
Do you mean that Tomoyo was more aggressive the second time you played her route? Or are you saying you noticed that Tomoyo as being the proactive one in her relationship with Tomoya?
Tomoyo was always the one wearing the pants in their relationship, whether it be dragging Tomoya to class, or dropping in on them during lunch session. I think she started become proactive after the 18th (well, technically starting on the 21st). Unfortunately, so far the anime seems to be missing several key flags that suggest we'll be taking her route ><
Noticed that Tomoya being proactive one in the relationship. There are seriously lack of this type of girl in real life as well as girl who ran you over with a bike. :p
They are going through Fuko's route at the moment so it's unsurprising that some part of Tomoya's route being left out. My guess is that they might go over Kotomi's route after Fuko then Kyou or the other way around.
Kinny Riddle
2007-11-01, 12:11
I'm assuming that you didn't click anything while the video was playing ;)
Oh, and did the file work on something like MPC when you're disconnected from the internet? (I don't think it matters, but just to rule out the downloaded codec issue)
I'm not 100% sure, but sometime conflicting codec pack would cause that happen (or it could be a bad codec)... where the file works outside of a game but not inside.
I once installed a codec pack that killed all embedded .avi .mpg files embedded.
You might want to try uninstalling your codec packs, then installing something like
(Of course I'm just speculating... has this problem happened to any other programs / games? (e.g. tomoyo after? shuffle? etc.)
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If it's not that problem, it could be your gameexe.ini
For my gameexe.ini, the related line is as follows.
#FOLDNAME.MOV = "MOV" = 0 : "MOV.PAK"
FYI, the file inside the \CLANNAD\MOV\ is "op00.mpg" (86,810KB)
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oh BTW... I read that sometime versions of the seen.txt will cause a hang similar to this as well... you might want to look into that as well...
PM me if you want a certain seen.txt file, I'll see if I have it.
I certainly did not click on anything. I currently have the latest CCCP pack for my codecs, so I have absolutely no idea which codec the video is clashing with.
Just right click on the movie file, go to properties and set it to be played with Windows Media Player. That solved the problem for me.
Nope, doesn't work for me. Besides, all mpeg4 videos are set to play in WMP by default in my PC. It only plays with sound when I try to play it directly in WMP or WM Classic, and that is after a very long lag.
I've also tried setting default to Quicktime, and it still won't play in-game for me. No problem playing it directly from QT though.
eMpTy265
2007-11-02, 02:01
Nope, doesn't work for me. Besides, all mpeg4 videos are set to play in WMP by default in my PC. It only plays with sound when I try to play it directly in WMP or WM Classic, and that is after a very long lag.
I've also tried setting default to Quicktime, and it still won't play in-game for me. No problem playing it directly from QT though.
So there's probably something with the video decoder setting.
You might want to return to default your cccp settings, and maybe disable the haali support?
Or alternatively, you could uninstall the cccp, and see if it works... (mpg should work by default windows installed codec IIRC)
Check the CCCP forums to see if they mention your problem.
Worse case scenario, reach that part, open QT and watch the video.
Mirrinus
2007-11-05, 03:27
Hey, I've got a question for all you game vets: In Fuko's route in the game, was Nagisa as proactive about helping her out as she was in episode 5 of the anime? Or was it mostly Tomoya's initiative in the game?
Thanks.
iamandragon
2007-11-05, 03:57
Hey, I've got a question for all you game vets: In Fuko's route in the game, was Nagisa as proactive about helping her out as she was in episode 5 of the anime? Or was it mostly Tomoya's initiative in the game?
Thanks.
It's been so long since I played Fuko's route(my first route, I actually completed her route without a walkthrough), but I'm sure Nagisa took Tomoya's route--Fuko only took shelter Nagisa's house in a very late part of the story.
For those hanging out for a legit version of the game with full voice on the PC, your prayers have been answered! Starting on February 29 in the new year (2008, for those a bit slow...), Key will be releasing the game on PC with FULL VOICE!
http://www.i-love-key.net/img1/2007122901.jpg
Source: http://www.i-love-key.net/archives/2007/12/clannad_full_voice.html
lols wow this comes out after i buy the clannad game Im so sad now x.x
Ascaloth
2007-12-29, 02:49
For those hanging out for a legit version of the game with full voice on the PC, your prayers have been answered! Starting on February 29 in the new year (2008, for those a bit slow...), Key will be releasing the game on PC with FULL VOICE!
http://www.i-love-key.net/img1/2007122901.jpg
Source: http://www.i-love-key.net/archives/2007/12/clannad_full_voice.html
Hmmm. Would Baka-Tsuki's upcoming patch work on this, I wonder?
Hmmm. Would Baka-Tsuki's upcoming patch work on this, I wonder?
Im hope they do or else 100 bucks down the drain for me TT
GyroidFanatic
2007-12-29, 03:00
Hmmm. Would Baka-Tsuki's upcoming patch work on this, I wonder?That's all stuff that'll be determined when they turn the text from the Wiki into the patch. Assuming there aren't any drastic changes in the lines (new ones, reworded ones, etc.), I don't see any reason why they wouldn't release a patch for the voiced version too.
That's all stuff that'll be determined when they turn the text from the Wiki into the patch. Assuming there aren't any drastic changes in the lines (new ones, reworded ones, etc.), I don't see any reason why they wouldn't release a patch for the voiced version too.
One of the problems that they may encounter is that the version of RealLive used to compile the SEENs might be different. That or the script has changed with any new additions or removals which may occur in the new release, as you have mentioned.
I had though that was weird too at first, but it appears you have to complete the Ryou route first, then play it all again, and you'll get Kyou. I did that, though it was pretty hard without a playing guide. But the playing guide's probably in this thread. But I say only use the playing guide if you've failed to get an orb of light in a route several times.
Game spoilers. Head to the game discussion thread instead please, this thread is for anime related questions.
GyroidFanatic
2007-12-29, 20:59
From the first post:
This thread is for those of you with questions about the Clannad anime, game or manga.
Then I would like to politely request for game spoiler tags, if the original poster doesn't mind. And I humbly apologize for the rudeness in my previous post, but I get a little frantic where spoilers are involved :heh:
Idogears
2007-12-29, 21:47
Where does the game store data like the number of lights collected, BGMs acquired, etc?
I need to transfer my game over and I can't copy the entire folder.
EDIT: After a bit of testing, it seems read.sav, REALLIVE.sav and save999.sav all contain important data. One of the first two stores settings.
Then I would like to politely request for game spoiler tags, if the original poster doesn't mind. And I humbly apologize for the rudeness in my previous post, but I get a little frantic where spoilers are involved
I see. Well, it's edited. Sorry, but I'm new to the forums. Didn't know I had make the spoiler name specific, though I thought people would know if it's a spoiler from the game or anime just by reading my entire post before opening up the spoiler tag...:heh:
Where does the game store data like the number of lights collected, BGMs acquired, etc?
I need to transfer my game over and I can't copy the entire folder.
Most likely it's in the SAVEDATA folder in the KEY -> CLANNAD area. I had to re-install my game, so I backed that up and still had my 3 orbs, CGs, and game saves after I replaced it with the other SAVEDATA folder.
GyroidFanatic
2007-12-30, 04:19
Where does the game store data like the number of lights collected, BGMs acquired, etc?
I need to transfer my game over and I can't copy the entire folder.
EDIT: After a bit of testing, it seems read.sav, REALLIVE.sav and save999.sav all contain important data. One of the first two stores settings.
It's probably REALLIVE.sav that holds settings, since that's the name of the engine Clannad runs on
iamandragon
2007-12-30, 08:48
I had though that was weird too at first, but it appears you have to complete the Ryou route first, then play it all again, and you'll get Kyou. I did that, though it was pretty hard without a playing guide. But the playing guide's probably in this thread. But I say only use the playing guide if you've failed to get an orb of light in a route several times.
Nope, you don't need to comlete one to get another as said in your spoiler tag. Look I've translated the 90 hours walkthrough (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1191340&postcount=56) including hints and tips for where the routes splits which allows you to finish CLANNAD under 90 hours provided if you can read Japanese/Chinese with a reasonable speed. Also bottom are hints and times for 'special' events.
Anyone able to tell me which 3 options to select for Misae's route with tskui's translation? The 3 options from dragon's walkthrough:
Serious(*) ?
Care for me(*) ?
Blanket smells good(*) (This one is obvious)
I can't seem to get her proper ending at all even after messing around with the available options...
GyroidFanatic
2007-12-31, 05:09
Anyone able to tell me which 3 options to select for Misae's route with tskui's translation? The 3 options from dragon's walkthrough:
Serious(*) ?
Care for me(*) ?
Blanket smells good(*) (This one is obvious)
I can't seem to get her proper ending at all even after messing around with the available options...Scold
Worry
Blanket smells good
theused69
2007-12-31, 06:39
Hey guys I got a problem at Tomoyo's arc
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/8798/not64hitspy8.jpg
Why didn't it reach 64 hits like the walkthrough suppose to say? I just only played Misae's arc, and I'm following this one right here. (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1191340&postcount=56)
Need help guys, thanks :D
Klashikari
2007-12-31, 06:43
IIRC, You have to finish Komoura's route first. once it is done, get back in Tomoyo's route, and the counter will go at the max if everything else is right.
theused69
2007-12-31, 06:45
IIRC, You have to finish Komoura's route first. once it is done, get back in Tomoyo's route, and the counter will go at the max if everything else is right.
Not being too obvious here, but amI suppose to leave a save at 5/11 as the walkthrough says, then proceed to the next one (Yukine)? And how about the one the part that says "if previous arc was not Sanae's, then I don't get a Sanae Light GET? Sorry, I just need some clarifications. :D
Klashikari
2007-12-31, 06:51
Not being too obvious here, but amI suppose to leave a save at 5/11 as the walkthrough says, then proceed to the next one (Yukine)? And how about the one the part that says "if previous arc was not Sanae's, then I don't get a Sanae Light GET? Sorry, I just need some clarifications. :D
Well, that is a suggestion of iamandragon to save some time. You are not oblidged to put a save, but it save some time (though you can always use "jump to next choice" or CTRL instead).
And, yes, if you didn't finish Misae's route before Tomoyo, you won't be able to get her scene during the school festival during Tomoyo's route, and therefore, you will not be able to get Misae's light.
I was wondering if there is any english walkthroughs for Clannad? I've been searching but no avail yet.
I'm getting pretty tired skipping the same scenes over and over again just to find out how to trigger a certain route and get the lights. Especially how to get on Kyou's route.
*sigh* This game is way too complex, and it doesn't even bother to explain anything. Like why some routes suddenly just... end, in the middle of things.
And yeah, I have the 'incomplete' english patch. I am impatient.
I was wondering if there is any english walkthroughs for Clannad? I've been searching but no avail yet.
I'm getting pretty tired skipping the same scenes over and over again just to find out how to trigger a certain route and get the lights. Especially how to get on Kyou's route.
*sigh* This game is way too complex, and it doesn't even bother to explain anything. Like why some routes suddenly just... end, in the middle of things.
And yeah, I have the 'incomplete' english patch. I am impatient.
You must not have searched very hard. It's the third result from google. It's also on this forum in the Q&A thread: here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1191340&postcount=56).
You must not have searched very hard. It's the third result from google. It's also on this forum in the Q&A thread: here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1191340&postcount=56).
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velocity7
2008-01-02, 11:39
I have a question concerning the game's OP sequence.
Now I'm sure everyone would know that the OP sequence is only viewable in Nagisa's route, on the end of May 2nd, to be specific.
Well, I got to that point in the game. Once the screen faded black at the end of the last scene, the OP sequence is supposed to begin playing, but somehow all I get is a blank screen with a funnel cursor, after a few seconds, I was taken straight to "Illusionary World VII" and "May 3rd" without even viewing the OP.
I accessed the MPEG file directly from the folder and it played fine on Quicktime, so I don't know why the OP movie can't load in the game.
Anyone got this problem?
I had a similar issue, but it was in that the MPEG file crashed the game. There's a program on the disc that allows you to configure whether the movie is played via MCI or DirectShow, I believe. Try toggling that and see if that fixes your issue.
Hmmm. Would Baka-Tsuki's upcoming patch work on this, I wonder?
It doesn't hurt to check the page, does it? ;)
Autophage
2008-01-03, 12:39
Hey everyone, I'd first like to say that I made sure to read every page of this thread to make sure I didn't repeat any questions but just wanted to get something straight before I waste anymore time on Clannad (20+ hours and no good endings. I cried for my time lost on bad endings. Gave it a sending off ceremony and everything).
So my question is, regardless of your ingame save files, will your overall progress be saved to some master save file so you can go back to older ingame saves and follow different branches?
Thanks in advanced, especially to Dragon. Seriously, dude, you rock hardcore for that guide (Although I still messed up on Misae). Bullhorns@U \m/ (>_<) \m/
I got a question I beated all the routes and how did I not unlock after story?
is it because I have to beat tomoyo route 1 more time after finishing the old guy's route?
iamandragon
2008-01-03, 18:27
So my question is, regardless of your ingame save files, will your overall progress be saved to some master save file so you can go back to older ingame saves and follow different branches?
Yes. The file is called save999.sav--it records which routes you have completed, light orbs you have collected and detailed information in Nagisa route which would affact After Story. It is found in X:\KEY\CLANNAD\SAVEDATA\save999.sav
(X is the directory you installed CLANNAD)
Klashikari
2008-01-03, 18:34
I got a question I beated all the routes and how did I not unlock after story?
is it because I have to beat tomoyo route 1 more time after finishing the old guy's route?
It is possible that you didn't get Misae's Light orb in Tomoyo's route.
If you have granted Fuko's wish, you must have 7 light orbs (obviously, 8 if you didn't), and so after story will be visible in the main menu.
If you don't have 7-8, that means you have missed an orb somewhere, and it is most of the time misae's.
Doing Tomoyo's route once again after Koumura won't change anything, except for the combo counter, which will reach 64 hits.
can someone tell is this really possible....
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iamandragon
2008-01-04, 15:06
At least not right at this moment...
Yukinokesshou
2008-01-04, 19:45
Um, basically, I've already spoiled the ending for myself, as is my usual habit. I read a synopsis of the Clannad game but couldn't quite understand the ending.
Overarching Question:
Can someone please clarify the ending to Nagisa's story? Thanks! :p
More specific questions:
Removed per the orders of iamandragon.
iamandragon
2008-01-05, 04:49
Um, basically, I've already spoiled the ending for myself, as is my usual habit. I read a synopsis of the Clannad game but couldn't quite understand the ending.
Overarching Question:
Can someone please clarify the ending to Nagisa's story? Thanks! :p
More specific questions:
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Ouch! No! Take this down! Take the spoiler contents away! You don't want innocent people opening the tag and spoiling themselves for their entire series! Take it down and I'll mail the answer to you!
Thanks for the concern :) On the same note i would like to remind though that this is the game discussion thread, so spoilers are allowed here. Anyone venturing inside the game discussion thread should realize what to expect.
ZhangKhaiEn
2008-01-05, 20:45
What should have been done was label the spoiler tag as "EXTREMELY HEAVY SPOILERS - only open this if you've finished the game"
Yes?
Spoiler tags can be exercised as a matter of courtesy, but seeing this is the game thread they are not necessarily required.
Questions about Light Orbs (Spoiler tag may not necessarily here, but just for safe)
- Do every minor characters route like Yukine,Sanae,Yohei,Kappei,Ryou ..... have a light orb to collect?
- How many light orbs are there in the game? and...
- How many light orbs do I need to unlock After story?
Question about Nagisa route
- In this route,Who are other characters that I must build a relationship with other than Nagisa (I'm trying to get Nagisa "true end" but the best I can get right now is "good end")Edit : Add more question
Klashikari
2008-01-07, 06:41
Questions about Light Orbs (Spoiler tag may not necessarily here, but just for safe)
- Do every minor characters route like Yukine,Sanae,Yohei,Kappei,Ryou ..... have a light orb to collect?
- How many light orbs are there in the game? and...
- How many light orbs do I need to unlock After story?
-Yes, all the minor characters who appear "on-screen" in the game can get a light orb. However, a lots of them are gathered in After Story
-Until I'm wrong, there are 13 Light Orbs.
-You need to get either 7 (if Fuuko's wish is granted) or 8 light orbs.
Basically, you need to finish all routes to do that, because there isn't any light orb in Fuuko or Nagisa's route.
Question about Nagisa route
- In this route,Who are other characters that I must build a relationship with other than Nagisa (I'm trying to get Nagisa "true end" but the best I can get right now is "good end")Edit : Add more question
You mean her graduation ceremony? You can build relationship with the Fujibayashi twins, Tomoyo, Mei, Misae (though she is always there IIRC).
But how is your "good end" look like? It doesn't strike me anything but heh).
Well then... I'm almost done with After Story, and seriously... There is no damn way for KyoAni to skip that, considering how marverlous this part of the game is.
That said, here is my "little" appreciation of the game thus far
This is probably because of the Anime influence, but I felt the "cohesion", interactions between the characters weren't as close as It might be, especially the Fujibayashi Twins and Tomoyo, being quite stand alone aside with Tomoya's relationship. It isn't bad in a way, but it is a shame there isn't much friendship unlike in Kotomi's route...
Speaking of which, it is also too bad that the later is completely impossible to interact with until you get in her route.
Generally speaking, the school life routes were nicely enjoyable. I would rank them as follow:
Nagisa > Kyou > Mei >= Yukine > Kotomi > Tomoyo > Fuuko > Misae > Kappei > Koumura
Koumura was obviously the weakest route ever in the pack. I didn't exactly dislike this route, but what baffled me was rather how abrupt and severe the change of route was, especially that from Nagisa's route, she doesn't show up at all, and she isn't even mentioned. Worst: how come Youhei, by hearing Inui's name (their homeroom teacher) believe it is Tomoya's girlfriend...?
There isn't much sense, as when Kouko tells to Tomoya Koumura's story, they completely sidetracked the shift of the route.
I would believe that Koumura's route would deserve at least a route by itself, like Tomoya encountering hardship during his scholarship and so, having some arguments with either youhei and/or Koumura and so forth. Everything happened so quickly that it didn't flow nicely at all but meh...
Kappei wasn't that enjoyable for me either. Sure there was a lot of fun, but what bugged me is how it cheapens Ryou's route, as Ryou had to overcome lot of hardship to interact with Tomoya, while in Kappei's route, she is so straightforward that It looks like the game skipped some weeks. I know that Kappei is much easier to interact with than Tomoya, but seriously, it doesn't exactly strike natural to me.
It is also a problem of character, because... I simply don't like kappei, period. I have obviously issues with such carefreeness, but the chemistry didn't affect me, until his drama popped (nurse studies are quite handy... as soon as I saw codeine, i was like: okay... powerful painkiller... disease? cancer? nothing exactly minor that said...).
Misae's route was one of the "Key tradition" route, and it was nice. The problem is most likely how they left open Tomoya's relationship and feelings in the end... A bit fustrating, along with the shortness of this route.
Fuuko's route is hard to judge because of the anime. What I didn't exactly liked is how Nagisa was taken down so quickly, just because of her weak body. I know it is supposed to be the original script, but I cannot feel anything but "weird" to take away one of the closest Fuuko's supporters like that. The other point was probably how Fuuko acted, as she was even more "neutral" or rather... well, unexpressionless. Though Fuuko is my least favourite "main girls", I still like her character and hardship, though the "romance" in this route was anything but natural.
I still enjoyed this route (as much as the anime version), but Fuuko's route lacks of a little "something" that the other routes has.
Tomoyo's route didn't have much flaw... unless the weird "struggle" arise. I was quite surprised how the "studen council" factor affected their relationship. Even if Tomoya is a delinquent, I don't get how they couldn't simply get over some points (though Tomoyo sure did several mistakes, especially this announcement through the staff microphone).
The other problem was how Tomoya was "able" to break up their relationship. It almost feels like Tomoya gave up on her and didn't feel as much as love he would harbor to any girl. And this gap was affected even more by this insane 6 months skip, which didn't give any natural feel at all. I don't even think that Tomoya never meet Tomoyo even by coincidence during these months.
That said, the fun factor and the chemistry (alongside with the voice of wisedom, Youhei) were fine enough to make this route solid. But it is certainly not as strong in feelings than most routes.
Kotomi's route was a refreshing breath despite the usual formula "girl with a dark past, affecting her psychology, etc.". Everything felt right, though my main issue is... how Tomoya felt so quickly in love with Kotomi. All of a sudden, he was attracted by her and cared to the point I wondered if I didn't miss some interactions.
That said, the final scene, involving the briefcase was extremely powerful. Even if Tomoya's explanations for the letter were a bit convenient, I couldn't help but feel a very strong relief and empathic feeling.
Yukine's route surprised me a lot, because aside of Nagisa, I felt that Yukine was the most natural relationship Tomoya had. Seriously, the feel with this girl was very convincing to the point I didn't mind how Youhei was also hanging around, despite such girl would usually bore him. The chemistry between the characters were very well blend along with some crazy comedy (I loved all versions of the "Storage room curse"... youhei and Akio included :heh:).
The end of the route was also a very soft and nice touch: it wasn't melodrama, it wasn't that a "drama", but strong feelings to the point the explanations of the Light Orb were right and so fitting.
It is a shame it didn't involve a lot of character, and some parts of her route were a bit too fast paced or slow paced. She sure almost deserved the "sixth slot among the main girls", much like Sayuri in Kanon.
Mei's route was one of those which moved me the most. Much like Tomoya said, I felt a bit jealous, considering how lovely this little sister was (I would obviously turn in Kaii mode and take Mei home :heh:). Even if I like a lot Youhei, I couldn't help but want to punch him in the middle of the route... so inconsiderate that I was really wondering what the heck he was doing. Mei is really a heartwarming character, and it had more emphasis because of Tamura Yukari voice for her ^^.
The hardship but also the resolution of this route were brilliantly done, I really hope that Mei will have serious screentime... Since she appears in the opening of the anime, I believe she will at leat have som cameo.
Kyou's route was at first "cliché": the usual girl who doesn't show her feelings and help another one, very close to her, to hang around her love interest. However, it was quickly different, considering how Kyou was devoted to Ryou. Kyou was a very interesting character: whimsical, but serious, hiding her intentions quite well. If it wasn't for the usual "watcher/player point of view", I believe it wouldn't be that obvious to notice her feelings for Tomoya.
What actually change drastically the outcome was Ryou's aknowledgement of her sister's feelings. This obviously change the purpose of the actions here and there.
My only issue with this route is how some specific choice can lead to the bad end (like... if Tomoya doesn't kiss Ryou during the fortune telling machine event, it will result to a bad end even if aiming for Kyou).
Aside of this, It is my second favourite route: it has a well blend complex triangle, lots of fun and drama, Youhei being once again the voice of wisedom, more botan !
Nagisa's route was simply the best route among the 10. The one which hit almost all my weak and soft spots. It is probably the most complex and emotional involvement the game can offer aside of After Story.
The first great point is similar to the anime: How Nagisa can interact with everyone and how she is working hard to the point her evolution is natural, steady, etc.
Second was probably how her relationship with Tomoya flows: she felt like "choice by default", but unlike Ayu, Nagisa was destined for Tomoya and vice versa: it would be criminal to not see them together (even if I also like the other girls). The confession scene after she "gave up" the drama club was intense, and I believe it was a rare case that Tomoya was so direct AND early. (most girl would have to wait for may :heh:).
This route was also a good way to stay in contact with the other characters (except of course the lone wolf Kotomi): the plethora of scenes truely express the "family" feel of CLANNAD.
Speaking of which, mixing Youhei and Akio was nothing but great: lots of comedy and so on, though they obviously don't meet. (but it surely almost double the amount of laugh ^^).
Once the drama kicks in, it was even more moving, considering what the route built until now: the drama club, trying to work so hard reconstruct itself, and the resolution was well fit (Akio's gained so much point with that fatherly speech during the foundation day, even if he used "teme" for Nagisa :heh:).
The end was a bit bittersweet (i was like: HELL NO, damn you scripter! that's so unfair for her!), but Nagisa proved she changed so much, thanks to Tomoya, that she can overcome this issue, and so, they could go on.
Seriously, CLANNAD is terribly addictive, and If it ended here, I wouldn't mind considering the length, and amount of "genre", along with lots of colorful but complex characters and so. I would complain for the cryptic "outworld scenes", but by removing them, it would be okay.
But no, CLANNAD doesn't end with the school life routes, and I wouldn't expect these to be "mere" appetizer...
and now, some first impressions of After Story
Remember how I was moved by Nagisa's route...? Well I wasn't expecting my eyes to be so watery during After Story.
The first good point was Tomoya: he was genuine, down to earth, and overcoming hardship of society despite his scholarship background. His devotion for Nagisa was of course a great factor, which was nothing bu natural.
I was a bit worried that the "fun" would be lessened without Youhei, but the scripters proved me wrong: so much goodness with Akio that it was simply equal, or sometimes better :heh: (the almighty Family Restaurant scene, with 「ＹＯ！ ＹＯ！ 俺、ＭＣアキオ マイク握れば最強のパンヤー」... this cracked me up like no time XD... and of course, with Maido Nagisa :love:)
The pace of After Story was very neat: they never try to drag on "unecessary" slice of life part of it. They were straight to the point without omitting the "casual days" feel between the two during the cohabitation period.
Afterwards, another "What the hell... that's so unfair..." exclamation: Nagisa turning ill in winter. Sanae's announcement was relieving, but It was really annoying that Nagisa wouldn't be able to enjoy what she deserves, until Tomoya pulls that commendable stunt.
Nagisa's speech during her "graduation" was moving, it was describing very well her past hardship and mindset. It is a bit a shame they didn't make the "optional characters" interact more... I was expecting Kyou and Ryou quite cheering her.
I was a bit disappointed about the complete lack of "special event" for their weddings, but considering their situation, it wouldn't be that "great looking". But something modest and heartwarming like Kouko's (minus the insane amount of guests XD) would be fine I believe.
But finally, the period which is supposed to the happiest became the nightmare. First, I was really wondering when the lover birds would do "it". At one point, when they were kissing in the futon, I thought they would make finally the step until... it was shown that Nagisa was pregnant since 2 months :twitch: I swear I never see that coming (not that long...). The couple life was even more merrier, with Nagisa going fluffy with her "shio-chan, hehe"... heartmelting I tell you.
Even so, when her fever kicks in again, I was a bit brooding, because the death flags were rising at an abnormally fast pace.
The dilemna was quite rough, but Nagisa's strong will was nothing to discard, though this would be quite unfair.
Once the delivery ended, I cursed the scripters once again for their damn deceiving stunt: the little discussion with "Nagisa" as the BGM relieved me temporarly, until she never wakes up again. BAWWWWW mode, and seriously, the impact was simply gigantic.
Tomoya's degenerative state was so empathic. I don't think anyone can blame him to ignore Ushio, considering how Nagisa's death affect him so much. However, everything wasn't lost, and it was quite nice how Sanae and Akio tried to support him.
Sanae's little plan was bold, as nothing really guarantee that Tomoya would take care of Ushio. However, considering how she has faith in him, it was all good.
Ushio and Tomoya's interactions were awkward, completely normal, obviously. That said, Tomoya felt close unconsciously during the train travel, and it was quite heartwarming how Ushio was like her mama: so obstinate and hard working (heck... crying only in the rest room!? Sanae is surprisingly strict in her education O_o).
And speaking of which, when Ushio asks about her mama, I could say nothing but "OUCH"... Tomoya didn't go mad, that was relieving, but he was sure heartstruck.
The flower field scene was "innocent" first, with Ushio having some fun. Tomoya was a bit soothed, but as he says "it is a complete waste of time", it was really a shame, though it couldn't be helped. I was wondering why Ushio was so attached by this robot, but I suspected something due of Tomoya involvement for it.
And then, the second "watery" scene of AS: the little talk with Shino. This simple talk changed how I was expecting Naoyuki to feel all this time. losing everything even his own son was sure something hard on him. Even so, i felt that Tomoya still considering him as a father before, even mentioning things like "Am I a stranger to you !?".
That said, this revelation was really heartwarming, which was followed with Ushio and her will to retrieve "papa's first gift". That was... ugh, as powerful as Nagisa's death. Seriously, this scene is one of my favourite, really climatic.
More to come I guess...
Will gladely continue AS and completing my thoughts.
So far, CLANNAD is ranked among my second most favourite VN and storyline so far. The feelings, the characters... well, everything go so right that I wonder why I didn't get this game before, even without the unofficial translation patches (since AS isn't that difficult to understand, I guess the school life wouldn't either).
-Yes, all the minor characters who appear "on-screen" in the game can get a light orb. However, a lots of them are gathered in After Story
-Until I'm wrong, there are 13 Light Orbs.
-You need to get either 7 (if Fuuko's wish is granted) or 8 light orbs.
Basically, you need to finish all routes to do that, because there isn't any light orb in Fuuko or Nagisa's route.
You mean her graduation ceremony? You can build relationship with the Fujibayashi twins, Tomoyo, Mei, Misae (though she is always there IIRC).
But how is your "good end" look like? It doesn't strike me anything but heh).
Oh,I see. There is no light orb in Nagisa and Fuuko route right?. Then,I can stop trying to get it now :heh: (but Nagisa's last CG still miss (1/2) and next to its are a few emply slots before other characters CG. Is that's for after story?
About "good end", someone told me that if I can end the game but don't get light orb (not bad end), that is call "Good end" and "True end" if I get. Right now I have 4 (Or 5)orbs.
Klashikari
2008-01-07, 07:43
Oh,I see. There is no light orb in Nagisa and Fuuko route right?. Then,I can stop trying to get it now :heh: (but Nagisa's last CG still miss (1/2) and next to its are a few emply slots before other characters CG. Is that's for after story?
About "good end", someone told me that if I can end the game but don't get light orb (not bad end), that is call "Good end" and "True end" if I get. Right now I have 4 (Or 5)orbs.
The "last CG" for Nagisa is much like the other empty slot: from After Story.
There is a special event for this one.
You mistook with After Story.
You need to get all Light Orbs (13) to get the True end.
The number of Light Orbs doesn't have any impact in the School Life routes
iamandragon
2008-01-07, 11:35
Spoiler tags can be exercised as a matter of courtesy, but seeing this is the game thread they are not necessarily required.
Not necessarily in normal situations, but not for CLANNAD--especially for the After Story part. It is the critical part of CLANNAD, not the main part, but a critical. If you have played Every17, I would compare AS with CoCo route.
I'm trying to establish a strong discussion thread where people who have played the game can express their feeling/opinions. A place where people talk, not ask.
Quoting from my favorite anime, Zegapain---"Happiness includes pain." After Story is indeed a happy ending, but without the pain in the first half, there would not be a significance in the happiness ending. Just like Kyou route in school life arc--if Kyou just come up and confess to Tomoya, I will ditch it.
So what's up with all these pain and happiness talk? My point here is, to know and to feel is a completely different thing. You know after you feel, but you don't feel after you know. To feel the power of After Story, you need must not know it beforehand and actually experience it. Therefore, I'm doing my best to prevent people from knowing before feeling. It is a selfish act, I know, but I believe I have not made a mistake.
And for those who don't mind, or want to be spoiled, private message me--I will answer all questions thrown at me within my knowledge. But at the same time, I fell sad. Not for the person, but for the fact that one less person in the world, that can experience After Story once again.
I love KEY, I love CLANNAD, more than anyone else. The magic that flows in every tune of each character's dialog never fails to touch my heart. My hobby is to collect people's life, be it virtual or real, and I have never seen a tale that is so full of life in a story that lasts such a short period. I love it, CLANNAD. I just do.
Reminds me of people screaming out loud with a megaphone when the final volume of Harry Potter is out, saying "******** dies". It might be much easier if I say 'I just don't want something similar to happen again'--but that's not what's on my mind when I tried to prevent people being spoiled.
Yukinokesshou
2008-01-07, 12:38
Reminds me of people screaming out loud with a megaphone when the final volume of Harry Potter is out, saying "******** dies". It might be much easier if I say 'I just don't want something similar to happen again'--but that's not what's on my mind when I tried to prevent people being spoiled.
Hahaha... the ending of Harry Potter...
I will forever remember the Taiwanese ETTV News the night book 7 was released. It basically read like a list of births, deaths, and marriages. AND there were graphics to accompany the announcements (like Ginny and Harry in a big pink heart and wedding decorations; Voldemort with a tombstone, etc.)
All for millions of Chinese children to watch across Taiwan and pockets of Hong Kong, China, and even the US. So much for hiding spoilers :heh:
iamandragon
2008-01-07, 19:02
All right, back on the game discussion please.
For getting the other characters to attend Nagisa's ceremony, you can look up Nagisa in the walkthrough (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1191340&postcount=56). Following it will lead you to be able to get everyone in the After Story. Note that whatever happens in After Story is affacted by your last -complete- of Nagisa's ending. You'll need to reach the end and hear the song.
Ya the walkthrough is not yet finished--I'll do so after the 18th when I complete all my exams.
Kinny Riddle
2008-01-08, 11:20
It took me a month to clear Kanon.
A month and a half to clear AIR.
Four months to clear Clannad.
(Total time spent added together that is, does not include real life commitments like eat, sleep, work, hanging out with friends, taking a poo, posting on ASuki, etc. :heh: )
A sense of relief and awe at finally clearing the game 100%. All I can say is, Clannad does not truly begin until After Story. And After Story does not truly begin until you're midway through.
The funniest parts are found in After Story ("Akki" = FTW), the most tear-jerking parts are found in After Story.
I think my eyes were even more wet in the Ushio/Naoyuki thread than when Misuzu finally achieved her happiness at last in AIR.
Kanon's theme is "Miracle".
AIR's theme is "Motherly Love".
Clannad's theme is, as it's Irish-inspired name suggest, "Family".
Tomoya - Just considering Nagisa's route - his relationship with Nagisa, the experience of forming a family with the birth of Ushio, coming to terms with the sacrifices his father Naoyuki went through to raise him, as well as his role as Ushio's dad. No other KEY protagonist has gone through so much emotional development than Tomoya has.
Nagisa - The warmth of her family directly plays a large part in Tomoya's growth
Kyou and Ryou - Sibling rivalry, perhaps? As well as sisterly love.
Tomoyo - The chance to redeem herself and make up for her brother's effort to unite her family.
Kotomi - Coming to terms with the traumatic loss of family, and the making of a new one
Fuuko and Kouko - Though eccentric, Fuuko shows her love for her sister none-the-less, even from her hospital bed.
Yukine - Forming a new "family" with her brother's delinquent friends even though he has departed
Sunohara & Mei - Despite being an ass and a buffoon, Sunohara still loves his sister. The feeling is reciprocal.
Akio and Sanae - There's really no need to say more about this dynamic couple.
Other characters don't really fall into the strictest definition of family, their stories revolve around their affinity for the people they affect and vice versa.
Kappei - Meeting Ryou gave him the courage to stop running from his disease.
Misae - Her longing for Shima-kun compelled her to stay in this town.
Koumura - His persistence ensured Tomoya and Sunohara at least weren't expelled, earning their respect at the end.
Yoshino - Rediscovered his sense of belonging after losing everything, thanks to Kouko-san
Here's the list of characters who provide light orbs
This is in the order that I obtained them, for these orbs, it does not matter in which order you get them
- Kyou
- Kappei (& Ryou)
- Misae (Clear her story first, and then come back to Tomoyo's route to get her orb on May 11th)
- Tomoyo
- Yukine
- Sunohara & Mei
- Kotomi
- Koumura (Accessed through Nagisa's route by meeting Kouko-san and losing the basketball match)
Fuuko and Nagisa do not have orbs.
In total, there are 8 orbs.
In Nagisa's route, on April 29th, if you score the right flag, you will meet Kouko-san.
If you have viewed Fuuko's ending (either Normal End and True End would do), then one of your orbs would be "consumed" for Kouko-san's happiness.
This means you're left with 7 orbs, no matter what happens.
Once you cleared Nagisa's route and have 7 orbs + 1 orb to be consumed for the Kouko-san scene, After Story will be triggered.
After Story is pretty much linear, you'll need to play through it three times to get all remaining orbs to trigger Nagisa's True End.
1st playthrough
- Sanae
- Yoshino
- Naoyuki
- Fuuko
- Kouko
5 orbs, adding your tally to 12.
2nd playthrough
- Akio
1 orb, adding your tally to 13.
You now have all the orbs to get Nagisa's True End in the 3rd playthrough.
To see the True End, go to the "Birth" arc, in the "dream" scene just after Nagisa gave birth to Ushio.
Once you've cleared everything, there's extra Easter Eggs to be found in Tomoyo's route.
1. Tomoyo no longer kicks Sunohara multiple times, but gives him a big kick everytime, causing changes to his face. I won't spoil any further, you've got to see this for yourself. :D
2. If you attained the level of Fuuko Master, then Fuuko makes nonsensical intrusions at random intervals.
Other bonus story routes (no orbs) include:
- Sunohara "Lover" End - The most shocking ending :cool:
- Baseball Route - Surprisingly fun
- Yukine's "spells" involve different girls depending which girl you're friendly with
- "Jet" Saito - Too nonsensical for me to explain.
Might as well put in my advice on getting which characters you want for the graduation scene.
Default characters
- Sunohara
- Akio
- Sanae
- Kyou (I think she and her sister are default. I'm not sure, as I've scored pretty much every available flag for every girl to get maximum immersion for Nagisa's story)
- Ryou
- Koumura (Don't think he's got any flags for me to score)
Optional
- Kouko (Meet her in School Life April 29th. Or, as Yoshino is Tomoya's boss, play through his scenario in After Story to meet her)
- Mei (Answer her phone call in School Life April 23rd)
- Misae (Not sure if she's default or optional)
- Tomoyo (Score as many Tomoyo flags and ask her to help out the Drama Club on School Life April 25th)
Not available
- Kotomi (A massive regret. I'm hoping Kyo-Ani include her)
- Yukine (Another regret)
- Fuuko (She's still sleeping, so it can't be helped)
Klashikari
2008-01-08, 11:58
Well, I"m "done" with CLANNAD (main plot, that is), and I will obviously keep my words on it: an awesome VN, to say the least.
here is the rest of my opinion on AS (though it is only after the special "reunion")
It was really heartwarming to see Tomoya acting like a real father to Ushio... Can't helped but feel really glad they were reunited for good after their visit to shino.
I was really surprised to see Kyou, especially as a Teacher, but considering her "motherly love" with botan, it is sure fitting her ^^.
As result, I thought we would get more of the "previous" cast back, such like tomoyo and youhei but... well I was a bit disappointed.
Frankly, I was glad for Fuuko and her awakening, but... what disturbed me was how she almost didn't change one bit. I know that coma is obviously taking a huge toll on body development etc but... heck, she is supposed to have slept like 9-10 years, so she is supposed to be roughly 24-25 years old!
Even Ayu wasn't THAT loli after her coma... I would say Fuko literally time froze, which isn't exactly what i expected (I though she would be visually as mature as this official art (http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8858/1198483064811jp5.jpg)).
Afterwards, well... I feared the worst with Ushio's fever, and the doctor's announcement was a heavy pain in the chest, like an harbringer of doom. And as soon as 潮鳴り kicks in, I could only curse, as the death flag surely announced the impending "bad end".
Even though I knew there was a happy end, it was heart shattering to see such scene. But I never expected that illusionary world sequence to appear. I guess this is because of the anime, but as soon as I read After Story, the girl identity was absolutely not mistakable, and so she is Ushio. So back with that final sequence, her cryptic explanations made light to the sequence: as in fact, the tragedy already occured and these sequences are in fact the past, ocurring "before" the school life routes.
then, the almighty : さよなら、パパ。
I think I needed several minutes to overcome this outrageously sorrowful scene. Ultimately, it was as sad as Nagisa's death, or almost worst. Unfair, sad, depressing... lots of word for this. However, this is another motivation to find out the "true end".
Then, Akio's route was quite surprising, since there wasn't anything after that, nevertherless, this route was solid. The ossan is... well, rambo? After the dramatic bad end i just got not like 1 hour before this route, I was like "oh no, not another character murder !".
Many silly death flags around, and Nagisa uneasiness during the television broadcast was quite onimous. Still, the good ol' ossan was well and fine, though I shared Tomoya's thought, considering how "inconsiderate" he was towards Sanae in the end.
Despite this, his final quote was great, nevetherless :
俺は…
居なくなったりはしない
いつまでもおまえのそばにいる」
だから…
安心しろ、早苗
Showing off...? Corny..? perhaps, but still cool ! XD
As result, the 13 light orbs are shining all their might onscreen. Without any spoil I wouldn't actually figure what was that for, but it was shaping "Illusionary Ushio" very well.
And finally, back with the "birth arc", I was hoping a fitting good end and... finally granted. It was as powerful as Higu final end for me ^^". I must admit the "city in light" sequence was... so strange that i though the text was buggy or so (like... well many minutes before anything appears).
A very fitting and deserved happy end for the three of them ^^
My only complain for the game is the lack of "coverage" of the other characters during After Story. It was nice to see some of them, but alas... for a very short period of time, and for a little sample of the whole cast. Really, I thought they could try to pull a "everyone is there!" period... but well.
Seriously, anyone who can play the game should... and even if they don't have the game, it would be a terrible shame and waste to not buy it. A masterpiece, without a doubt. So many fun, tears, smiles and happy moments. I often cursed how the scripters toyed with my emotional weak spots, but meh... that was for the best i guess.
Once you've cleared everything, there's extra Easter Eggs to be found in Tomoyo's route.
1. Tomoyo no longer kicks Sunohara multiple times, but gives him a big kick everytime, causing changes to his face. I won't spoil any further, you've got to see this for yourself. :D
The first time I ever tried to get 64 hits after AS, I was like: What the hell happened to you, youhei !? :heh:
That's quite a... "strange" bonus XD
2. If you attained the level of Fuuko Master, then Fuuko makes nonsensical intrusions at random intervals.I always wondered why people said that Fuuko was doing her non sensical intrusion in tomoyo, after episode 12. Now i have the answer (and she sure appears during the worst moments :heh:)
Other bonus story routes (no orbs) include:
- Baseball Route - Surprisingly funI was never able to get in it... can you (or anyone else? ^^") guide how do you get on the baseball route? ^^"
- Yukine's "spells" involve different girls depending which girl you're friendly withWhere is the Sanae's version of this ? XD
- "Jet" Saito - Too nonsensical for me to explain.I don't have any clue what is this, huho.
Kinny Riddle
2008-01-08, 12:21
I wonder if the flags for Kyou are necessary for her unique scenes in After Story.
She and Fuuko are the only other main girls to have substantially long scenes in After Story. Tomoyo has her own "After Story", but that's in another parallel world, I'd certainly like to see how she is doing in this world.
By the time of the Ushio arc, Fuuko is 24/25, her sis Kouko-san is in her early to mid 30s, while Sanae-san is at least 40. Yet they all look the same.
Man, KEY girls hardly ever age, do they?
The epilogue of Nagisa's True End featured the surprising comedic duo of Fuuko and Kouko-san. (Kouko-san sure has a lot of patience with her sis's antics, Tomoya would've gone ballistic already. )
Anyway, Fuuko mentions seeing a girl sleeping by a tree, and then we go to a monologue of Fuuko introducing herself to said girl. Then we're taken back to the title screen with Illusionary Ushio sleeping. Could she be the girl?
The site of the hospital seems to be mystical. There's still many things I don't understand. I'm guessing a trans-dimensional portal connecting to the Illusionary World exists there. (I must've watched too much Doctor Who. )
Kotomi's parents must have come very close to discovering this portal, but passed away before they could make their findings public.
Here's my guess:
Akki took an ailing Nagisa to this place and wished for her survival, to which she miraculously survived, with light from the Illusionary World. This causes her to subconsciously learn about the "story" of the Illusionary World. Her life also became bound to the town. Whenever the town changes, Nagisa's health (and Ushio's) would become affected as well.
The Tomoyas of the various dimensions each accumulated an orb, these are all transmitted to the Illusionary World (which seems to link to all these worlds) and given to the "robot", who is actually Tomoya. As the "robot" departs, the thoughts of all the orbs he brought back with him are given to the Tomoya of this world, and Nagisa is thus saved.
Kinny Riddle
2008-01-08, 12:41
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I was never able to get in it... can you (or anyone else? ^^") guide how do you get on the baseball route? ^^"
If you understand enough Japanese
http://www15.plala.or.jp/scp/key/clannad_ch_kusayakyu.html
http://yuzz21.web.fc2.com/yakyukouryaku.html
Where is the Sanae's version of this ? XD
I don't have any clue what is this, huho.
I regret to tell you that there is no Sanae version.
1. First, there is the spell on April 22nd where Sunohara attempts to woo a girl that you suggest by taking off his pants. (WTF?)
- Kyou (Sunohara gets beaten by her dictionary)
- Ryou (Ryou faints at the sight. Sunohara freaks out by everyone's cold stares, and then gets dragged away by the Rugby Club players)
- Tomoyo (Do I really need to say the obvious?)
2. Second, there is the spell on April 23rd where you walk around the corridors, the first girl you meet would be your "Fated One".
- Kyou & Ryou 1 - default - if you don't score Kyou's flags, she will not prompt you to get close to Ryou, and her conversation will vary
- Kyou & Ryou 2 - requires you to score some flags for Kyou
- Nagisa - score flags with Nagisa
- Fuuko & Tomoyo - score flags for both of them (not sure why they're lumped together)
- Misae - score flags with Misae
2. Second, the spell on April 24th will get you trapped in the School Gym with your "Fated One" as chosen on April 23rd. (Misae not available) To escape this "curse", Tomoya has to flash his buttocks and murmur a counter-spell.
- Kyou - default - depending on how many flags you scored with Kyou, her conversation varies.
- Nagisa - score enough flags for Nagisa, otherwise, even if you choose her, you'll end up with...
- Akio :cool:
- Fuuko - you don't exactly end up with her as Tomoya thought Fuuko is too loli for his tastes, this'll take him to the final choice below...
- Tomoyo
- Sunohara - default
In case you're wondering, no, Tomoya did not flash his arse in front of Akio or Sunohara.
Klashikari
2008-01-08, 13:19
I wonder if the flags for Kyou are necessary for her unique scenes in After Story.
She and Fuuko are the only other main girls to have substantially long scenes in After Story. Tomoyo has her own "After Story", but that's in another parallel world, I'd certainly like to see how she is doing in this world.
By the time of the Ushio arc, Fuuko is 24/25, her sis Kouko-san is in her early to mid 30s, while Sanae-san is at least 40. Yet they all look the same.
Man, KEY girls hardly ever age, do they?
I have just done a quick playthrough, and the result is: no, Kyou and Ryou aren't default characters for this event.
Even if I had to select Kyou for the "challenge", She doesn't appear. I can't say if it is because I took down Ryou's flag though, but she is surely a skippable characters.
I just checked After Story: no, you don't get Kyou's scene if you don't have her flags during Nagisa's route. Instead, we got random "housewives" talk. Looks like they really made a lot of variations depending of the flags.
Same goes for Misae, she didn't appear in this empty AS.
The epilogue of Nagisa's True End featured the surprising comedic duo of Fuuko and Kouko-san. (Kouko-san sure has a lot of patience with her sis's antics, Tomoya would've gone ballistic already. )
Anyway, Fuuko mentions seeing a girl sleeping by a tree, and then we go to a monologue of Fuuko introducing herself to said girl. Then we're taken back to the title screen with Illusionary Ushio sleeping. Could she be the girl?
The site of the hospital seems to be mystical. There's still many things I don't understand. I'm guessing a trans-dimensional portal connecting to the Illusionary World exists there. (I must've watched too much Doctor Who. )
Kotomi's parents must have come very close to discovering this portal, but passed away before they could make their findings public.
Here's my guess:
Akki took an ailing Nagisa to this place and wished for her survival, to which she miraculously survived, with light from the Illusionary World. This causes her to subconsciously learn about the "story" of the Illusionary World. Her life also became bound to the town. Whenever the town changes, Nagisa's health (and Ushio's) would become affected as well.
The Tomoyas of the various dimensions each accumulated an orb, these are all transmitted to the Illusionary World (which seems to link to all these worlds) and given to the "robot", who is actually Tomoya. As the "robot" departs, the thoughts of all the orbs he brought back with him are given to the Tomoya of this world, and Nagisa is thus saved.
Certainly, Kouko has an steel patience... I didn't exactly get Fuuko's point with her "scent" and "cute girl". No wonder how she was quite clueless after this whimsical speech of her little sister.
As for the girl, there is no mistake it is the "illusionary Ushio", as the game quickly transite into the game menu, with a similar scenery.
Furthermore, this scene is in the anime OP (when i saw the "awakened" fuuko, i was bugged by her red clothes until i realized 5 min later it was her in the OP. watch it carefully, ushio isn't alone, there is a long haired girl with red clothes: it is Fuuko during the epilogue).
The message behind it is quite hard to grasp... is it possible that I Ushio could materialize along with the change of fate? it is extremely difficult to say, but there is almost no mistake if we consider the anime canon, considering her appearance.
In fact, it is like a time paradox, because Nagisa knew this legend before everything happened... or was the world changed, because it was an illusion? After all, Nagisa's route happen "after" After Story illusionary world. Therefore, it might affect Tomoya who don't have any memories aside of this. it is quite confusing however.
But it appears the timeline of CLANNAD was spread on purpose. it should be:
unknown world, similar to nagisa's route + After story BAD END => illusionary world => I Ushio cannot go any further => Mission of Light => Routes => Awakening before Nagisa dies => Good end.
If you understand enough Japanese
http://www15.plala.or.jp/scp/key/clannad_ch_kusayakyu.html
http://yuzz21.web.fc2.com/yakyukouryaku.html
Thanks, I appreciate it a lot ^^
I regret to tell you that there is no Sanae version.Yes, I know, it was just a random wish... (meh, why did that other person got her screentime during this curse though? :heh:)
His storage room curse event was quite mysterious: How in the hell Akio has that kind of gun?
He might be an actor, even so, i don't get how he could blast the door, until it was an odd occurance of the curse? *scratches his head*.
His firing skills are quite too great to be a mere amateur, especially with the laser tag arc :heh:
iamandragon
2008-01-08, 15:20
If you have played the laser route, that should ring a bell. I havn't confirmed if they're on the same day though. It's still a wonder why he has gunpowder on him(when he blew open the gym door. But this prooves Akio is GAR enough to counter Yukine's curse (and the only one ever that is)
One thing we're sure that is that Tomoya's mind exists in both world, but which one is the real Tomoya? If we look at the timeline in Tomoya's experience, it should be the first arc of A.S. happening, without collecting the lights, then he goes back to school life. After Nagisa route, he goes back to A.S., collecting the light orbs and getting true end. But what I think what happened in real is that right before Nagisa falls, everything are just illusions--it's the other Tomoya(s) in a separate universe(s) doing the light orb collecting jobs and bring it to the current Tomoya to create a miracle. But that's just my speculation.
I think I might have made a bit of mis-understanding here, this is what I actually mean:
Earth <=Tomoya is here, everything happens here we don't see it
Illusionary World <=illusion we the player experience the game, a world that's closer to Earth. It is a real world, just a parallel universe. Don't let the name deceive you.
Phantasm World <=where the robot is, an illusionary world within the illusionary world
Time line of gameplay and their location of occurance:
Before game starts: Earth
Right after game starts: Illusionary World
Everytime we see robot: Phantasm World
After Story: Illusionary World
Right after game finishes: back to Earth, and we don't see it.
It'll be easier if we assume Tomoya actually exists here on this earth we live in, and when playing the game, we see what Tomoya sees in his dreams where all the alternative Tomoya are doing.
Klashikari
2008-01-08, 15:33
If you have played the laser route, that should ring a bell. I havn't confirmed if they're on the same day though. It's still a wonder why he has gunpowder on him(when he blew open the gym door. But this prooves Akio is GAR enough to counter Yukine's curse (and the only one ever that is)
I know that already. The problem is: how the hell he has gunpowder and such? It is not really related to the laser tag, aside of his skills.
It rather looks like a true gun to begin with, unlike the toy, Tomoya youhei and kyou were playing... but heh
And even so, he is a bit too skillful for this kind of things, which is a mystery
iamandragon
2008-01-09, 03:02
Don't forget that the room is dark, recently around my place there's a news about a person mistaking a dildo as a gun during a robbery...
Akio is skilled because he is an actor? An actor is skilled at looking skillful...
And about gunpowder, I'm experimenting how contents of cigarettes can be explosive. Spent about 10 pounds on buying things I never bought before without success...Will most probably find out after then 18th when my exams are over. For the time being, let's just assume it's because of the GARness of Akio shall we?
by the way, nice Sig. Where's it from?
dgreater1
2008-01-09, 06:38
I know that already. The problem is: how the hell he has gunpowder and such? It is not really related to the laser tag, aside of his skills.
It rather looks like a true gun to begin with, unlike the toy, Tomoya youhei and kyou were playing... but heh
And even so, he is a bit too skillful for this kind of things, which is a mystery
Although I won't deny he's so GAR... I have a very, very simple answer for you :3
Because he has the BOYSCOUT spirit. Don't forget that he even had a rope to use in the battle :heh: :heh: :P
Klashikari
2008-01-09, 08:52
Don't forget that the room is dark, recently around my place there's a news about a person mistaking a dildo as a gun during a robbery...
Akio is skilled because he is an actor? An actor is skilled at looking skillful...
And about gunpowder, I'm experimenting how contents of cigarettes can be explosive. Spent about 10 pounds on buying things I never bought before without success...Will most probably find out after then 18th when my exams are over. For the time being, let's just assume it's because of the GARness of Akio shall we?
Ahhh... let's call like it. Maybe Tomoya's comments of this situation are too crazy or so (after all, the curse is already fantasy so :heh:)
In any case, even if that thing is real, It wouldn't be even that surprising after all ^^'
by the way, nice Sig. Where's it from?Kurugaya Yuiko, from Little Busters! Unsurprisingly, Hinoue made a lot of NSFW artwork about her :heh: (not like Komari and Kudo are spared from the usual school mizugi fetish XD)
Because he has the BOYSCOUT spirit. Don't forget that he even had a rope to use in the battle :heh: :heh: :P
Indeed... speaking of which, he is sure taking things to seriously that it wouldn't be so surprising for him to have that kind of equipment.
He sure deserves "sama" all the way :heh:
Finally got my way on Baseball, though weirdly enough, the path wasn't that different from what I did for the laser tag (by coincidence) before... maybe some flags *scratches his head*.
That said, I was surprised to get a bad end (who would expect Fuuko to be THAT required? XD)
Tons of fun... I didn't expect Yuusuke to do such corny speech in the midst of a run... obviously I was like "huh... you are not on a base, pal". then "told ya :heh:".
But what's more is the fact he did it AGAIN, but on a safe spot with a time out :heh:
The route had a lot of hardship vibes from the basketball 3on3. It was quite a good thing to see almost the whole cast for such brawl...
Too bad Tomoya didn't hired Yukine... I'm sure recruiting her men would be quite a blow, with Akio as the commander :heh:
The end surprised me... I didn't expected that －影二つ－ to kick in, though it was fitting. Some stats were really surprising (Mei-chan especially). A shame Akio wasn't able to go through the whole game.
Now roaming on a whim in the school routes... I probably missed lots of things it seems. ^^" (and I still don't have any idea what was that jet Saito route that kinny mentioned :heh:)
MeoTwister5
2008-01-09, 20:37
I've recently started playing the game with whatever translations I can find, however I initially wanted to play the game ignoring the minor characters and just focus on the main characters.
And then I remember the 13 orbs you can collect throughout the game, and they supposedly affect the ending of the After Story....
I've read some of the synopsis of the other posters regarding the After Story but I don't see anything regarding how the orbs affect the After Story...
I heard that the orbs affect Nagisa's ending in the After Story, and that in means the whole world of difference in how the game ends. That said, I'd rather not have a sad ending...
If anyone can indicate to me how the orbs affect the After Story, whether it alters the storyline/ending or adds extra sequences, please post it here under spoiler tags (and I'm willing to be spoiled, but just to be considerate of everyone else) or you can send me a pm. As I said it's a wonderful game from what I'm playing, and I'd really like to know how the orbs will ultimately affect this deep and engrossing story...:)
Klashikari
2008-01-09, 20:46
To be quite "blunt" (repeating what was already posted before in this thread), you must collect all the 13 light orbs for the true ending.
In fact, there is a specific event which has a complete different result if you have collected all the light orbs.
But it is really preferable that you don't know it, considering it is the major spoiler. Nevertherless, if you still want to be spoiled, a PM has been sent to your convenience, ignore it if you still want to stay "virgin".
That said, you HAVE to get through secondary characters routes, because you cannot reach After Story until you have cleared all routes beforhand.
MeoTwister5
2008-01-09, 20:52
To be quite "blunt" (repeating what was already posted before in this thread), you must collect all the 13 light orbs for the true ending.
In fact, there is a specific event which has a complete different result if you have collected all the light orbs.
But it is really preferable that you don't know it, considering it is the major spoiler. Nevertherless, if you still want to be spoiled, a PM has been sent to your convenience, ignore it if you still want to stay "virgin".
That said, you HAVE to get through secondary characters routes, because you cannot reach After Story until you have cleared all routes beforhand.
To me there's a large difference between reading about it and actually "experiencing it":p
So thanks for the PM, which I'll expect later. Even if I plan to spoil myself, even if I get to know what the end result will, the emotional impact probably won't even change. I spoiled myself with Air, and I still cried like a baby at the end (And I've ever had tears for an anime like 3 or 4 times in my life).
I myself would help out with proofreading baka-tsuki's work on After Story, too bad my schedule's too messed up.
Klashikari
2008-01-09, 20:56
To me there's a large difference between reading about it and actually "experiencing it":p
So thanks for the PM, which I'll expect later. Even if I plan to spoil myself, even if I get to know what the end result will, the emotional impact probably won't even change. I spoiled myself with Air, and I still cried like a baby at the end (And I've ever had tears for an anime like 3 or 4 times in my life).
I myself would help out with proofreading baka-tsuki's work on After Story, too bad my schedule's too messed up.
The PM has been sent. I put the strict minimum in there, so it would prevent any unecessary spoiler (despite being big already).
Considering how you are enjoying plot and the like, I hope it will work the same way for clannad, for you ^^"
I guess I will do like iamandragon: anyone who wishes to know about After Story can ask for a PM. But please avoid asking answer on such thread, because it might be a bit too "devastating" :heh:
MeoTwister5
2008-01-10, 02:41
Even though I knew Air's inevitable conclusion, it was actually much more devastating to watch it than to read about it beforehand.
I couldn't take walking on the beach for a week after that.:(
Also just one quick question: Even if I get 13 orbs, am I forced to play through the no-13-orbs story before I can play the 13-orbs story, or I immediately get to play the story with the 13 orbs completed, since some games require you to play through twice to see all the endings.
iamandragon
2008-01-10, 03:58
If you collected all 13 orbs...only a few minor details will change, but you can still play through the game with no problem at all. Oh, and you can't collect light orbs anymore. However, if you don't mind starting all over, go to your game directory and find the file save999 and delete it--that'll wipe your record clean and clear.
MeoTwister5
2008-01-10, 06:55
As long as what Klashikari pmed me happens when I collect all the orbs, and the otherwise does not happen at any time during the game, I am a happy human being.:D
http://www.i-love-key.net/archives/2008/01/clannad_full_voice_cg.html
New details on the Full Voice version of Clannad coming out at the end of next month.
MeoTwister5
2008-01-11, 07:30
I was going through the 90hour/300 hour FAQ that was posted at the Q&A section and some of the choices confuse me. I'm trying to make sure I get all the orbs I can get at the right times so I'm making sure I know what to watch out for. Spoilers ahead.
For these I'm referring to iamandragon's FAQ for the game:
It says you can collect 8 orbs in the school life section, so just a few things:
1. Can the remaining orbs (5 orbs?) needed for the True Ending be gotten before Ushio's birth? Since this event is THE event of the After Story (for massive spoiler reasons) I assume I don't have to go through the normal end to collect the needed orbs, meaning I don't actually have to play After Story twice?
2. I don't understand what the FAQ means with the following lines:
At the beginning there are no choices. Save at the first week when Tomoya lives together with Nagisa
Choose “reject” to continue After Story
Choose “help” to enter week 2 of After Story
Save on the day your daughter is born.
Attention:
No choices will appear here yet
Only after week one of After Story is finished with 13 lights will there be a choice for you. Return to this save when you've fulfilled the requirements
Choose “don't cry for help” to continue week one of After Story
Choose “cry for help” to enter True End
I guess he translated this bit himself since After Story isn't translated yet, but I don't exactly get what he means by this. What's the difference between continuing After Story and entering week 2 of After Story? And what exactly did he mean by "returning to the previous save file" after getting all 13 orbs in week 1? And what exactly is the difference between "continuing week on of After Story" and "entering True End?"
3. The FAQ indicates that you CAN lose a light orb by making some sort of "wish" for Fuko. I don't see that choice in the FAQ. If you can indeed lose a light orb and possibly affect getting the True End, does anyone know what to do to avoid it?
I'm probably getting ahead of myself since we won;t be seeing After Story in English for a while, but considering how long they say the game is I want to make sure I get the True End in one run without having to erase the system save file and do the game all over again.:D
Klashikari
2008-01-11, 07:47
I was going through the 90hour/300 hour FAQ that was posted at the Q&A section and some of the choices confuse me. I'm trying to make sure I get all the orbs I can get at the right times so I'm making sure I know what to watch out for. Spoilers ahead.
For these I'm referring to iamandragon's FAQ for the game:
It says you can collect 8 orbs in the school life section, so just a few things:
1. Can the remaining orbs (5 orbs?) needed for the True Ending be gotten before Ushio's birth? Since this event is THE event of the After Story (for massive spoiler reasons) I assume I don't have to go through the normal end to collect the needed orbs, meaning I don't actually have to play After Story twice?
2. I don't understand what the FAQ means with the following lines:
At the beginning there are no choices. Save at the first week when Tomoya lives together with Nagisa
Choose “reject” to continue After Story
Choose “help” to enter week 2 of After Story
Save on the day your daughter is born.
Attention:
No choices will appear here yet
Only after week one of After Story is finished with 13 lights will there be a choice for you. Return to this save when you've fulfilled the requirements
Choose “don't cry for help” to continue week one of After Story
Choose “cry for help” to enter True End
I guess he translated this bit himself since After Story isn't translated yet, but I don't exactly get what he means by this. What's the difference between continuing After Story and entering week 2 of After Story? And what exactly did he mean by "returning to the previous save file" after getting all 13 orbs in week 1?
I'm probably getting ahead of myself since we won;t be seeing After Story in English for a while, but considering how long they say the game is I want to make sure I get the True End in one run without having to erase the system save file and do the game all over again.:D
for the first point:
This is impossible
first, you MUST collect 6 orbs in After Story. It looks like you get 14, but you cannot get 2 orbs if you didn't used one orb to save Fuuko. Therefore, you must spend that eigth orb in School Life route.
In After Story, 3 orbs are given AFTER Ushio's birth. Also, since Akio's require 11 orbs, you must go through past it to get enough orbs to actually reach Akio's route (since you can only get 10 orbs at most before reaching Ushio's birth)
for the second point:
Iamandragon didn't exactly use appropriate terms.
Basically, in After Story, there are 2 "main branches" (not really weeks). Both follow Nagisa and Tomoya's cohabitation period. However, there is a specific point of the story where you can either continue the "normal route" of After Story (and so leading to the bad end), or going on another route for Akio's Light Orb.
Akio's route cannot be reached until you have 11 light orbs.
As for the "save", it is only a way to go quicker at the point you will get the true end. Iamandragon suggested that when ushio is born, you should save. Normally, you will progress in the "main" route of After Story.
Once you have the 13 orbs, reload the said save point, and because of the 13 light orbs, the true end will be unlocked
if you prefer, the After Story structure is like this :
1. If player has 11 light orbs, choice can be selected at May 16th:
Choose “reject” to continue After Story
Choose “help” to enter in Akio's route (alternative route of After Story)
If player has less than 11 light orbs, choice will not appear. After Story will progress normally.
2. If player has 13 light orbs, True end is unlocked once the player reach Ushio's birth for the first time. For any further attempt, choice can be selected:
Choose “don't cry for help” to continue main route of After Story (bad end)
Choose “cry for help” to enter True End
If player don't have 13 light orbs, no choice will be available. Story will progresses towards the bad end.
Also, fear not, there is no "irreversible flag". You will just have to redo After Story, you don't need to erase your global save in any time.
Erasing the global save will make sure you have 0 light orbs, which is the clean way to start the game from the beginning.
MeoTwister5
2008-01-11, 09:35
Ah I finally get it. So essentially, I can't get the True end in 1 run right? Based on the FAQ, I have to play parts of After Story thrice to unlock the True End. If I'm correctly interpreting iamandragon's FAQ now, it goes like this:
1. Earn 6 orbs before the Fuko route, spend 1 for her wish, and end up with 7 at the end of the School Arc.
2. Play through the After Story normally and earn 5 orbs (according to the FAQ). It gives me a total of 12, unlocking the orb for Akio. Make a save for Ushio's birth and make another for May 16.
3. Load the May 16 save, choose Akio's route to earn 13 orbs.
4. Load the save on Ushio's birth, and with 13 orbs I reach my goal of the True End.
I think that's what he meant. Esssentially I have to play critical sections of After Story 3 times achieve the True End without having to restart the After Story from the beginning.
Am I on track?
Oh and 2 final questiona (sorry if I ask too much):
According to the FAQ, I should save at May 11 in Tomoyo's route and come back later if I haven't gotten Toshio's orb. Does the FAQ mean that I should stop, finish Toshio's story and come back to get Tomoyo's and Misae's orbs?
Or can I just go about finishing their stories in the suggested sequence without having to backtrack?
Also, if the FAQ says I should reload that save after Toshio's orb, since I should do Fuko's story before Toshio, would Tomoyo and Misae's orbs be these 2 orbs that you say are dependant on sacrificing an orb for Fuko?
Again sorry for the lengthy questions. I have a couple of friends who don't frequent boards much, so I'm pretty much also their lifeline to playing this game to its full potential. If I do it right, they do it right.:heh:
Klashikari
2008-01-11, 10:52
Ah I finally get it. So essentially, I can't get the True end in 1 run right?
As I explained, that's right: you cannot get the true end in 1 run.Based on the FAQ, I have to play parts of After Story thrice to unlock the True End. If I'm correctly interpreting iamandragon's FAQ now, it goes like this:
1. Earn 6 orbs before the Fuko route, spend 1 for her wish, and end up with 7 at the end of the School Arc.
2. Play through the After Story normally and earn 5 orbs (according to the FAQ). It gives me a total of 12, unlocking the orb for Akio. Make a save for Ushio's birth and make another for May 16.
3. Load the May 16 save, choose Akio's route to earn 13 orbs.
4. Load the save on Ushio's birth, and with 13 orbs I reach my goal of the True End.
I think that's what he meant. Esssentially I have to play critical sections of After Story 3 times achieve the True End without having to restart the After Story from the beginning.
Am I on track?
For your first point, you are not oblidged to do Fuko's route before earning X orb. As another point: you loses the orb for Fuuko only on Nagisa/Koumura's route.
Anyhow, indeed, if you want to get a proper finish, you MUST grant Fuuko's wish (as it CAN be skipped if you play Nagisa/Koumura before having any orb). and so, when you finished all school life routes, you must have 7 orbs. (Nagisa and Fuuko routes don't grant any orb, Fuuko will consume one orb, so 7 in the end, after the 10 routes of 8 orbs).
The rest is correct, this will make you able to get through After Story without starting back to square one.Oh and one final question (sorry if I ask too much):
According to the FAQ, I should save at May 11 in Tomoyo's route and come back later if I haven't gotten Toshio's orb. Does the FAQ mean that I should stop, finish Toshio's story and come back to get Tomoyo's and Misae's orbs?
Or can I just go about finishing their stories in the suggested sequence without having to backtrack?
Koumura's orb isn't earned in Tomoyo's route. it is just a change granted if you go through Koumura, for Tomoyo's 64 hits combo.
MeoTwister5
2008-01-11, 11:05
So in other words I can just finish everyone's stories without bactracking, or in this sense:
I don't have to do Toshie's route before actually concluding Tomoyo's?
Thanks for all the answers. I should probably try to make a FAQ for the school arc when I finish it.
Kinny Riddle
2008-01-11, 12:01
So in other words I can just finish everyone's stories without bactracking, or in this sense:
I don't have to do Toshie's route before actually concluding Tomoyo's?
Thanks for all the answers. I should probably try to make a FAQ for the school arc when I finish it.
It's not necessary, but you'll need to view that ending at least once if you want Tomoyo to attain her Perfect 64 Hit record.
velocity7
2008-01-11, 16:44
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6289/clannadfvq2akb3.th.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clannadfvq2akb3.jpg)
http://www.i-love-key.net/archives/2008/01/clannad_full_voice_cg.html
Key notes:
1. Retails for 6800 yen
2. Supports Windows Vista
3. 640x480 -> 800x600 upgrade!
4. Redraws? Looks like it, CGs shown in the link imply so... (Little Busters! style of drawing)
GyroidFanatic
2008-01-11, 17:38
Redraws would make sense considering they'll need widescreen versions for the 360 release.
iamandragon
2008-01-11, 18:15
Thanks for all the corrections--once my exams are over I'll fix the walkthrough and add the unfinished bits in it.
Klashikari
2008-01-11, 21:37
Thanks for all the corrections--once my exams are over I'll fix the walkthrough and add the unfinished bits in it.
I just finished analyzing the baseball route, it might lighten the load for you ^^
Anyone interested in the Baseball route, don't hesitate to read (really a nice route)
For starters, the Baseball route is the event following up the laser tag route. This route, despite being not a "happy end Light orb" one, it is still fun. To access it, you only need to "avoid" fulfilling all flags of any character of school life routes.
However, to access Baseball route, additional conditions are required along with those for the laser tag:
Nagisa: Meet her in the courtyard / be concerned. From here, you can ignore her. However, if you buy her a bread in a hurry, you must not help for the drama club.
Tomoyo: See what happens / interested / go and see / follow Sunohara *3 / helps her. Afterwards, you can ignore her. be sure to NOT take all her flags, otherwise you might end in her route. The safest way is to come late at school the 21st april.
In any case, Tomoya must be close enough with Tomoyo so she will take part of the laser tag. If she isn't present, it is a game over.
Laser tag route: you must be able to defy akio and pull a draw. If you are defeated by either Tomoyo, Kyou or Akio, you won't be able to get to the baseball route.
Winning conditions:
VS Tomoyo: choose "give her advice"
VS Kyou: choose "I feel sorry for her, so I will stop Sunohara"
VS Akio: choose "Let sunohara buy food"If everything goes well, Akio and Tomoya will end on a draw. Instead of going to a bad end, the route will continue and Akio will bump on Tomoya, the former asking help for a baseball match.
Now, from there, there are 3 possible outcome:
At a certain point of the match, the team will have to give up
The team will lose
The team will win
The outcome depends of the characters in your team.
Defaults members:
-Akio
-Tomoya
-Youhei
-Kyou
-Tomoyo
-Misae
Recruitable members:
-Fuuko
-Yuusuke
-Mei
Bench members:
-Sanae
-Ryou
-Nagisa
If you are short of 3 members, the 3 bench members will be added, which will lead to the first outcome.
If you are short of 1 or 2 members (so recruiting only 1 among the 3), Sanae (and then Ryou if you are short of 2) will help, but you will get the second result.
If you are able to get full house right from the bat (so the 3 recruitable characters), the third outcome will happen.
To recruit these characters, there are some conditions:
Fuuko: you must interact her enough so Tomoya knows her name. Tomoya must invite her and prevent Youhei to complicate things unecesseraly.
Yuusuke: you must follow the car driver, waiting a bit, and help Yuusuke (otherwise Tomoya will never know his identity). Afterwards, when Tomoya looks for members, insist with some drama
Mei: she can only be recruited if you could get Yuusuke. Otherwise, she is unavailable. Therefore, Yuusuke worth 2 members alone.
Here is a "perfect" walkthrough for your convenience. I used the terms used with the unofficial english translation patch.
April 14
[1] Dub something over it
[2] Say something fitting
April 15
[2] Ignore her
[2] Take the lesson
[1] Go down to the courtyard
[2] Continue talking
[2] See what's going on
[1] This interests me
[1] I'm a bit worried
[1] Talk to her
April 16
[1] Go and see
[1] Make haste and buy
[2] Let her do it alone
April 17
[1] Go watch
[1] Come along
[1] Come along
[1] Waste time within the school
[1] Go and sleep
[1] Try and talk to her
[1] Talk to her
April 18
[1] Assist him
[1] Kick him back
[1] Try her fortune telling
[2] Let her run away
[1] Go inside an empty room
[2] Watch her just a little more
[1] Head there to sleep
[1] Leave (only necessary if you choosed to meet Yukine)
[1] Help her
[1] Talk to her
April 19
[1] Geez, stop this
[2] Go straight home
April 20
[1] Go there
[2] Watch a little longer
[1] Help out
April 21
[2] Go to class later (if not, do not call Tomoyo)
[3] Jump to the left
[2] Continue waiting
April 22
[2] Continue waiting
[1] Leave it behind
April 23
[3] Various unnecessary things we don't need
[1] Say it while holding some water in your mouth
[1] Sleep
[2] Don't take it
April 24
[1] Do it (Tomoya is now taking part of the Laser Tag)
April 25
[2] Give her advice
[2] I pity you so I'll make him stop
[2] Make Sunohara go buy something
[1] The school grounds
April 26
[2] Not interested
April 28
[1] Invite her
[1] Stop him
[1] Strike him with drama
End
Legend:
Bold Black: choices required to enter in the baseball route
Bold Green: choices required to recruit Fuuko
Bold Dark Blue: choices required to recruit Yuusuke and Mei
Remember that if you are missing only 1 members, it will be a defeat. if you are missing 3 members, Tomoya's team will have to give up
If anyone sees a mistake, please inform me. I tested like nuts the flags for like... 4 hours and I might have missed some things in the process.
^That seems to be correct. I winged the route just a couple hours ago and made almost the exact same choices.
Since I usually don't read guides, I didn't even know that this route existed until a few days ago.
I thought it ended after the laser tag game since there seemed to be no way for me to beat Akio.
The route was surprisingly fun. I didn't think Tomoya would do so bad at bat but he pulled through in the end as always. The ending was a bit too brief and a bit depressing for me though. But since it's a sidestory I guess that shouldn't matter too much.
Massive lulz at Yusuke's role in the game. That speech was probably the best part of the route.
MeoTwister5
2008-01-12, 00:08
I just finished a few, and I realize that there doesn't seem to have an indicator of the number of orbs I got.
I assume that there is no basis to worry, I should carry on my playing even if I don't have an indicator of past collected orbs?
Or am I supposed to see those orbs floating in some screen? I can faintly see a few near the lower left border of the screen but I'm not sure if those are what I think they are...
Klashikari
2008-01-12, 04:57
I just finished a few, and I realize that there doesn't seem to have an indicator of the number of orbs I got.
I assume that there is no basis to worry, I should carry on my playing even if I don't have an indicator of past collected orbs?
Or am I supposed to see those orbs floating in some screen? I can faintly see a few near the lower left border of the screen but I'm not sure if those are what I think they are...
These brilliant spheres on the bottom left on the main title menu are indeed the light orbs you collected so far.
So I'm following the 300 hour guide and saved on May 11th and finished the route for Tomoyo. I went through everything until I eventually finished Koumura's route. Why is it that even though I have his orb, I can't get a 64 hit combo? Was I supposed to not finish Tomoyo's route to get her perfect combo?
Klashikari
2008-01-13, 08:45
So I'm following the 300 hour guide and saved on May 11th and finished the route for Tomoyo. I went through everything until I eventually finished Koumura's route. Why is it that even though I have his orb, I can't get a 64 hit combo? Was I supposed to not finish Tomoyo's route to get her perfect combo?
You might have missed a flag for some characters in your tomoyo's route, before you save. Each "wave" will increment the combo by 8 hits, so 8 occurances must happen.
Tomoyo, Tomoya, Kyou, Fuuko, Misae, Yukine, Akio, Koumura.
if one is missing, the combo won't be the perfect score of 64. Play back the scene and check who is missing among the string of the combo.
I checked it again and I'm missing Fuuko and Misae. I was using the 90 hour guide when I first started which is on the third page of the Clannad Q & A page. What flags are necessary to get them?
Klashikari
2008-01-13, 10:35
I checked it again and I'm missing Fuuko and Misae. I was using the 90 hour guide when I first started which is on the third page of the Clannad Q & A page. What flags are necessary to get them?
For Misae, you must talk to her each time you can, but decline the offer of coming back to her room (if you got it).
As for Fuuko, Tomoya has to snatch her her knife and met her again afterwards, so he knows her name and will bump on her occasionally.
HashiriyaR32
2008-01-15, 13:42
Since the XBOX360 version of CLANNAD is coming out within a month or 2, anyone want to take a guess at the possible achievements? They definitely have to put the "Fuko Master" ones in as achievements!
EDIT: I seem to always LMAO whenever Youhei gets dragged off.
This is a great community, I've been prowling these forums for a while now, and after reading some good feedback on Clannad I went out and got it. Im really impressed with this game, but having never played a Key game before I was expecting a happy-easygoing-feel-good-game. I was way off! Here's my first impressions after playing Kyou's arc if anyones interested.
I began playing Clannad about a week and a half ago and enjoyed its upbeat atmosphere and the characters you get interact with. It seemed like a really easygoing game. Although there are some elements I didnt like (youre an ass to your best mate, and you can be quite thick at times, as well as Kyou's throwing crap all the time at you and Sunohara), I began playing one or two days in the game each day, and of all the characters, I liked Kyou's 'on the level' attitude the most and decided to focus on her. After a non-ending trying to chase her, I decided to use iamandragon's walkthrough, and thought that Kyou's pathway would be upbeat and fun, just like her character. Thats what I expected at least, like I said, I thought this was a nice, easy going game. But I was wrong - TERRIBLY WRONG! Kyou's bloody pathway was sad and confusing, nothing I expected, and ended up making me feel depressed and awful for days!
Although it is just a game, I usually empathise with characters in books, games, and movies to the point of rewatching or rereading the emotionally heavy or plot important parts to make sure I get the full impact or effect of what is being shown. Although in the end, the ending is a happy one, the confusion and torment of Tomoya, Kyou, and of course Ryou throughout the larger part of the second half really tainted the happy ending, and I didnt feel happy at all, but terrible for them. It was a really sad pathway where you are torn between the twins - committed to Ryou, but wanting Kyou and all the while watching her hurt because she wants you too. With Kyou as one of the stronger more decisive characters throughout the story, it was kinda unnerving to see her in so much pain because of her feelings for you. Throughout the latter half she is constantly bottling up her sadness whenever you and Ryou are around, and when she couldnt hold it all in and confesses her regret at allowing you to be with her sister you feel all the more worse. You really felt bad Kyou, at the mess she had helped to create, and at the situation you were in where nothing you could do would be an easy fix.
In order to break the stalemate and be with who you truly wanted to be with you had to hurt Ryou, and with her passive and shy personality, you of course expect that this will destroy what little self esteem she has in herself. Its also made harder because Ryou is a genuinely nice girl in the story. lol it wasnt a fun pathway at all, it was terrible! In saying that though, Key did a fantastic job at portraying the scenario in all its awkwardness and painfulness, it was excellent. Even though I know Nagisa's route is supposed to be the main one, the twists involving Kyou as well as the character development of Ryou made this feel like it was the flagship of all the arcs, it seemed so well thought out and orchestrated I kinda wished I played it after a less intense arc. Also, its weird playing a different arc when Kyou and Ryou seem to be heavily involved in the other arcs regardless, because now you know where they stand in regard to your character. I guess though if I played another arc first, I'd probably find myself saying this exact same thing.
I've since started playing Tomoyo's route in the meantime hoping for an easygoing upbeat path, without the confusion and torment of being torn between the Fujibayashi twins. Well anyway, like I said, I thought itd be a happy easygoing game but I was way off. Regardless, its an excellent and well thought out game. What did you guys think of this arc? Which arcs did you enjoy the most?
The_TempesT
2008-01-15, 21:52
I don't know if this was posted earrlier but I have a question about the walkthrough if somebody could possibly answer.
When I first started Clannad I did the tomoyo route without the walkthough, got it completlely done, light and all. Then I read your walkthrough and it says you can get another option at the end of Tomoyo's route (help is the option)as long as you've done Misae's route first, and Misae's Light orb thing.
After reading that I went and did Misae's Route and loaded a save in Tomoyo's route to see if i would get the extra option and Misae's light orb, but I didn't.
Does this mean I cant get that now unless i completely erase my saved games and start all over or no? Or Do I just need to redo all of Tomoyo's Route from the beggining?
The Chaos
2008-01-16, 01:49
^Isn't That In Clannad Game Discussion (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=10536)
iamandragon
2008-01-16, 03:20
It's a question, so it's fine. My fault for posting the walkthrough in the game.
The reason that you can't collect Misae's light even if you have fullfilled all the requirement is probably that you have already got it--you only get to see the collection of each light once.
Klashikari
2008-01-16, 06:18
There is another reason you might miss Misae's Light orb: if in your Tomoyo's route, Tomoya didn't interact whenever he can with Misae, you cannot get her light.
Might erase to attempt this, but I saw many people without being able to get Misae's light until they redo completely tomoyo's route.
iamandragon
2008-01-16, 06:51
Yes, that might also be the case. If you follow the 90hours walkthrough, there should be no problem--I used it myself as well and I got all the lights with no problem at all.
The_TempesT
2008-01-17, 16:52
This is a great community, I've been prowling these forums for a while now, and after reading some good feedback on Clannad I went out and got it. Im really impressed with this game, but having never played a Key game before I was expecting a happy-easygoing-feel-good-game. I was way off! Here's my first impressions after playing Kyou's arc if anyones interested.
I began playing Clannad about a week and a half ago and enjoyed its upbeat atmosphere and the characters you get interact with. It seemed like a really easygoing game. Although there are some elements I didnt like (youre an ass to your best mate, and you can be quite thick at times, as well as Kyou's throwing crap all the time at you and Sunohara), I began playing one or two days in the game each day, and of all the characters, I liked Kyou's 'on the level' attitude the most and decided to focus on her. After a non-ending trying to chase her, I decided to use iamandragon's walkthrough, and thought that Kyou's pathway would be upbeat and fun, just like her character. Thats what I expected at least, like I said, I thought this was a nice, easy going game. But I was wrong - TERRIBLY WRONG! Kyou's bloody pathway was sad and confusing, nothing I expected, and ended up making me feel depressed and awful for days!
Although it is just a game, I usually empathise with characters in books, games, and movies to the point of rewatching or rereading the emotionally heavy or plot important parts to make sure I get the full impact or effect of what is being shown. Although in the end, the ending is a happy one, the confusion and torment of Tomoya, Kyou, and of course Ryou throughout the larger part of the second half really tainted the happy ending, and I didnt feel happy at all, but terrible for them. It was a really sad pathway where you are torn between the twins - committed to Ryou, but wanting Kyou and all the while watching her hurt because she wants you too. With Kyou as one of the stronger more decisive characters throughout the story, it was kinda unnerving to see her in so much pain because of her feelings for you. Throughout the latter half she is constantly bottling up her sadness whenever you and Ryou are around, and when she couldnt hold it all in and confesses her regret at allowing you to be with her sister you feel all the more worse. You really felt bad Kyou, at the mess she had helped to create, and at the situation you were in where nothing you could do would be an easy fix.
In order to break the stalemate and be with who you truly wanted to be with you had to hurt Ryou, and with her passive and shy personality, you of course expect that this will destroy what little self esteem she has in herself. Its also made harder because Ryou is a genuinely nice girl in the story. lol it wasnt a fun pathway at all, it was terrible! In saying that though, Key did a fantastic job at portraying the scenario in all its awkwardness and painfulness, it was excellent. Even though I know Nagisa's route is supposed to be the main one, the twists involving Kyou as well as the character development of Ryou made this feel like it was the flagship of all the arcs, it seemed so well thought out and orchestrated I kinda wished I played it after a less intense arc. Also, its weird playing a different arc when Kyou and Ryou seem to be heavily involved in the other arcs regardless, because now you know where they stand in regard to your character. I guess though if I played another arc first, I'd probably find myself saying this exact same thing.
I've since started playing Tomoyo's route in the meantime hoping for an easygoing upbeat path, without the confusion and torment of being torn between the Fujibayashi twins. Well anyway, like I said, I thought itd be a happy easygoing game but I was way off. Regardless, its an excellent and well thought out game. What did you guys think of this arc? Which arcs did you enjoy the most?
I agree with what you said totally.
I also just now finished Kyou's route and I admit it was very sad at the end(what did they do to her awesome hair?!). But I found it still to my liking. It seems you can't really have a great ending with it just involving only happy moments, you have to add in some sad parts and I think thats what makes the game so damn addictive and great.
I've only played 4 routes so far and Kyou and Tomoyo's are 2 of them and I still love the Tomoyo Route the best so far and unless something really grabs my intrest I don't see that changing. Something about her character just appeals to people much more then others(probably why they made Tomoyo after which I pray I can play with a translation some day as I only know english). Anyways i think you'll enjoy it at least as much as I did.
Is it true that if you play Kotomi's route after completing everyone else's route, you'll get extra jokes from Kotomi? Saw it on one of the -chan boards and I'm wondering if it's true.
Also, I got the title Fuko Master and Ninja, but what does it mean that Fuko appears like a ninja in Tomoyo's route?
iamandragon
2008-01-18, 03:15
Is it true that if you play Kotomi's route after completing everyone else's route, you'll get extra jokes from Kotomi? Saw it on one of the -chan boards and I'm wondering if it's true.
Also, I got the title Fuko Master and Ninja, but what does it mean that Fuko appears like a ninja in Tomoyo's route?
Nothing really...just a title to reward that you have completed all pranks on Fuuko.
Klashikari
2008-01-18, 04:54
Also, I got the title Fuko Master and Ninja, but what does it mean that Fuko appears like a ninja in Tomoyo's route?
No, basically Fuuko will make some nonsensical intrusion in Tomoyo's route, much like how it was in episode 12.
And seriously, Fuuko has some talents to appear in the worst moments possible ever :heh:
I agree with what you said totally.
I also just now finished Kyou's route and I admit it was very sad at the end(what did they do to her awesome hair?!). But I found it still to my liking. It seems you can't really have a great ending with it just involving only happy moments, you have to add in some sad parts and I think thats what makes the game so damn addictive and great.
I've only played 4 routes so far and Kyou and Tomoyo's are 2 of them and I still love the Tomoyo Route the best so far and unless something really grabs my intrest I don't see that changing. Something about her character just appeals to people much more then others(probably why they made Tomoyo after which I pray I can play with a translation some day as I only know english). Anyways i think you'll enjoy it at least as much as I did.
Thanks Tempest, so far the Tomoyo route has been really good, she's a bit more likable since when Tomoya first meets her. I can see why her route is your and alot of other's favourite. And yeah i know! Kyou's hair looked awesome, why'd she cut it for?! Youre right about the sad parts making the game addictive and interesting, but I would have liked to have seen more of Tomoya and Kyou talking and interacting as a couple earlier on or for longer at the end (say for a day or two, so you can see how compatible they are with one another), rather than just a glimpse at the end. Have fun with the other routes!
velocity7
2008-01-23, 10:50
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6289/clannadfvq2akb3.th.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clannadfvq2akb3.jpg)
http://www.i-love-key.net/archives/2008/01/clannad_full_voice_cg.html
Key notes:
1. Retails for 6800 yen
2. Supports Windows Vista
3. 640x480 -> 800x600 upgrade!
4. Redraws? Looks like it, CGs shown in the link imply so... (Little Busters! style of drawing)
I missed this part in the page:
さらに新規イベントＣＧも追加！
which roughly translates to "Even more, new CGs are also added!"
So that means we're getting new CGs, though if it will replace everything is another story. To be honest though, considering that Itaru's style has greatly changed in the last four years, it's very likely all of them will be replaced.
Kinny Riddle
2008-01-24, 08:35
Kyou After - It's a Wonderful World
Someone decided that after Tomoyo After, there ought to be a Kyou After, hence this video. AFAIK, this is just a fan-made video, using music from Tomoyo After. Enjoy. :D
It would be amazing if someone actually spend time to make a doujin game.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm1768118
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I wonder how big the game would be, if they redid all the CG in 1900x1200.
GyroidFanatic
2008-01-24, 14:54
I wonder how big the game would be, if they redid all the CG in 1900x1200.
That probably won't even take up 100MB altogether. What you need to worry about is all the voice files.
iamandragon
2008-01-24, 18:14
That probably won't even take up 100MB altogether. What you need to worry about is all the voice files.
Don't worry. It's over 2GB, the voice files are.
blitz1/2
2008-01-24, 20:38
Just played into April 24 of Nagisa's route...
It's so touching...
Crap, I was quite out of it yesterday ><
Meant to say 1920x1080, not to mention the stupid thing I said.
Nevertheless, I'm gonna be a jerk and say "Wahh 800x600 isn't enough".
Meant to say 1920x1080, not to mention the stupid thing I said.
huh? No love for Widescreen? I'm all for your 1920x1200 sugguestion though :p
HTPC + Clannad + respectably large TV > monitor imo :P
Not that I have an HDTV, nor a 1920x monitor, I am teh poor student ;(
Itadakimasu!
2008-01-26, 01:40
I'm a total newbie to visual novels, and just played through the Tomoyo route in Clannad... what can i say? It was really awesome. I was surprised to find how involved i felt by the end of the route, and impressed with how in depth and solid the script writing was.
I followed the 90 hr guide, and even though i found the ending a bit corny ... i was too overcome with relief to really care much. After all, I didn't play this just to experience bitter reality all over again :P!
mandarb916
2008-01-28, 14:17
I'm a total newbie to visual novels, and just played through the Tomoyo route in Clannad... what can i say? It was really awesome. I was surprised to find how involved i felt by the end of the route, and impressed with how in depth and solid the script writing was.
I followed the 90 hr guide, and even though i found the ending a bit corny ... i was too overcome with relief to really care much. After all, I didn't play this just to experience bitter reality all over again :P!
While it's getting mixed reviews, if you want to delve more into Tomoyo, I would suggest Tomoyo After ~It's a wonderful life~.
If you want a bitter sweet (if you can even call it that), try snagging the PC version, though this probably falls under the Utsu-game category (and adult)
If you want a relieving ending, try snagging the PS2 version (ero scenes are replaced with things like cosplay scenes etc).
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