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Rebochan
2003-11-16, 19:10
What a tearjerker...and from the previews, we've got a lot more to deal with.
The anime seems determined to squeeze every drop of drama out of the plotlines. Even Nina's end was more violent and traumatic than it was in the manga. And then they threw pictures of Nina and Alexander all over the end sequence too. Sadistic people in charge of this show...
Of course now it looks like Ed's in trouble for what happened. Argh, I'm at the edge of my seat waiting for next week! AHHHH!
Wow. I was completely wrong about this series.
It just went from pokemon to Silence of the Lambs in under a few minutes! :eek:
Always thought it was on the light hearted side, not anymore!
JOJOS'STAR
2003-11-16, 19:50
Finaly, it came for Full metal Alchemist. The reason why anime series are so great. Its like there telling us "Wait! and you'll see...." I waited and I saw. Wonderful! In your face anybody who say anime are only drawings! This is better than reality!Anime as done IT again!
still downloading it by the look of the posts here its look as its gona be sad.
quiet insanity
2003-11-16, 20:59
That episode was really sad. I can't believe Tucker would do that to Nina and Alexander. They were the best! :( :(
Firebrand
2003-11-16, 21:37
i must say... wow. I never expected this show to be gearing close to an almost political commentary on government and humans.
Also... manga. I've read the first volume, and i KNOW its already different in terms of time line and stuff, but is there any more translated?
I agree this was a really sad episode, but it was also a really great episode. FMA keeps getting better and better. I think it's going to turn out to be a great series.
I was really hoping Ed kill Tucker that bastard deserves to die, but its good Nina aka chimera stops him otherwise he would've been in big trouble. i dont know why but I was more angry then sad when watching this episode. Anyways I thought it was very good, FMA just keeps on getting better and better.
1stStrike
2003-11-16, 22:51
I was really sad to. When he said "Where's Nina and Alexander?" that was when I realized it and was like "oh..my..god". That one really hit me hard. If there was anymore drama in this episode I would've probally cried :>
Wandering_Youth
2003-11-16, 23:10
...such a sad episode. How could that guy do that to his own daugther?! Must...hold in...anger. FMA has now gotten my full attention and it is a great anime. Ugh, I'm feeling rather gloomy now.
Kempis Curious
2003-11-16, 23:44
...such a sad episode. How could that guy do that to his own daugther?! Must...hold in...anger. FMA has now gotten my full attention and it is a great anime. Ugh, I'm feeling rather gloomy now.
Geez yeah. The boys are going to be hardboiled old men by the time they're 15. :(
Your sig picture is a good idea. I think I need some TSFS right now.
-k
This episode was indeed very sad. I was hoping that the chimera would tag along with them but it's sad how they chose death instead. (they could of ran to him but chose to sniff out the muderer, they were in pain and wanted to die because they understood what happened to their mother, and nina wanted to see her mother etc)
FlyByNite
2003-11-17, 00:56
Even though I saw this coming and predicted it in the other FMA thread, man. It was hard to watch. Poor Nina..
Seems like every Alchemist that Ed and Al meet are bastards.
In the preview looks like what his name the guy who can use fire, is really pissed at Ed. I wonder if he will take away his certification. The next ep looks to be an good one.
gametalent
2003-11-17, 01:07
This eps. is sick.
How could a father do that to his child :(
This eps. is sick.
How could a father do that to his child :(
Simple hes a fricking nut, he deserves to die.
144M_HYPERION
2003-11-17, 01:17
I think it has a nice touch in the ending. Showing the smile and laughter of Nina and Alexander.
This episode is one of those "heartache" drama. It is too depressing in the end :sad:
To Nina and Alexander, we will always remember your smile ... :sad:
Tucker-San ... why you little ... :bash:
well I heard it was going to be a sad eps about nina so I figured out long before I even watched it that she'ld be turned into the chimera. I mean how can you create a chimera that talks and understands humans without having some human as part of it? it should have been obvious to ed and al
i had a feeling thats what happend right after i saw the caged up animals made me feel a bit sick.
Really, i must say FMA is the best anime out this season. It has great pace and explores different meanings of alchemy every episode. Unlike naruto, i love the manga more than the anime, but for FMA, i must say the anime is really a huge success. Tucker is just like a crazy scientist nowadays, who tries to make clones of every living things. Some law of nature, IMO, is better to not to go against it.
Really, i must say FMA is the best anime out this season. It has great pace and explores different meanings of alchemy every episode. Unlike naruto, i love the manga more than the anime, but for FMA, i must say the anime is really a huge success. Tucker is just like a crazy scientist nowadays, who tries to make clones of every living things. Some law of nature, IMO, is better to not to go against it.
I would think most crazy scientist wouldnt use his own wife and child in experiments thats just wrong doesnt he have an consious. That crazy bastard I think if I was Ed I would've beat the shit out of him.
I would think most crazy scientist wouldnt use his own wife and child in experiments thats just wrong doesnt he have an consious. That crazy bastard I think if I was Ed I would've beat the shit out of him.
I wished for his death -_-
And she was so cute and nice to -_-
And the dog was cute and nice to -_-
eh, I'll just put spoiler caps on this for the heck of it:
The first time I knew some shit was going to happen was the minute he heard that the Chimera said, "Please kill me". I knew from that point that Tucker used his wife in the experiment.
From that point when I saw the new chimera in Tucker's freak dungeon I knew who it was too.
I knew about the whole sad anime thing going on too, yet here I am being the optimist. I had a bit of a subconscious thought from the point I found out about the wife "My god, I hope Tucker isn't crazy enough to mess with his own daughter..." Sure enough he did it. Kinda made me sick to my stomach to watch it. Similar to the end of Saving Private Ryan when you see the guy the team spared ending up killing off most of em.
Well, that's about it.
I dont know if it sucked that that weird dude killed her, or if it was good -_-
raspberihevn
2003-11-17, 02:45
Well it's not..too bad. It answered >_> one of my questions at least- so far there are 4 different types of alchemists. What are your opinions about Al (trying to get away from the chimera subject >.< brr..) do you think it was wise for him not to enter in the state nationalist exam? I suppose his armor would be a problem. I want him to succeed as well instead of being Ed's shadow.
Well it's not..too bad. It answered >_> one of my questions at least- so far there are 4 different types of alchemists. What are your opinions about Al (trying to get away from the chimera subject >.< brr..) do you think it was wise for him not to enter in the state nationalist exam? I suppose his armor would be a problem. I want him to succeed as well instead of being Ed's shadow.
Yes it was wise of him not to, I would guess the fact he doesnt have an body would be an huge problem. But I think the only reason why Al didnt take the exam was because Ed asked him not to in ep 6. Al really believes in his older brother and will listen to him.
Lord Raiden
2003-11-17, 02:55
Loved this episode. I'm really, really, really loving this series and I must say, I'm glad it's 52 episodes. This is going to be an awesome show. Ep 7 surprised me a lot. Makes me want to start dying slowing inside waiting on the next episode. :(
Loved this episode. I'm really, really, really loving this series and I must say, I'm glad it's 52 episodes. This is going to be an awesome show. Ep 7 surprised me a lot. Makes me want to start dying slowing inside waiting on the next episode. :(
hm 52 eps eh I didn't know that I thought that it was going to be another 26 eps series. All well thats good the longer the better.
This ep was really sad, I really found it odd though that the Tucker who was sick enough to use his wife and daughter for experiments was the same person who acted so kindly towards and Ed and Al. I just never expected him to be an insane alchemist. I hope Ed and Al run into a good alchemist soon. One really interesting point during the scene was when Ed said he would separate Nina and Alexander, but Tucker told him that he would screw it up. That was emotional. This episode definately brings a lot of new interesting things to the story and I'm wondering how much development will be done when the writers close the gap between the past and present. As it is right now, there seems to be a lot of plot left before they get back to the present.
Shenlong
2003-11-17, 03:03
I was surprised by this episode, I had no clue that this series was going to be this sad. FMA use to be pretty far down my list of important shows to watch and now I think I'll bump it up a few knotches.. I had no clue...
EDIT : ^&*(&% it! Did they have to show those pics in the ending credits? I have an exam tomarrow and now I'm too depressed to study :(
144M_HYPERION
2003-11-17, 03:19
:hmm:
here is what you do ...
Draw a Transmutation Circle or the Alchemistry Circle on your desk ... put your exam on top of it and Transform it into a full written exam with correct answers on it. :heh: :)
Man I am just in shock. I figured something was wrong when Tucker had that look on his face earlier in the episode. But to do what he did is just unforgivable. Talk about changing your mood. Fullmetal Alchemist is definitely one of my fav shows this fall. Even though this eps was gut wrenching it solidified this show as something great. Just wish that it didn't have to be that cute little girl. God that is so wrong. Next weeks ep is looking to be a real emotional one as well. Better have my tissues ready. Man I am all sad now. Powerful stuff indead.
dannylu88
2003-11-17, 03:50
man ep 7 is depressing ....how come all the alchemist they meet are jackasses... .oh well... gotta watch some fumoffu to get rid of this depression
I found it odd that there was a full blown personality change in Tucker in these 2 episodes. I saw the hints that he did something to his wife midway through ep 7 but still the fact that he would use his daughter was a comple mindblow. It made no sense considering how he was acting before.
Why was he so sad before the transmutation? And why was he so randomly giddy after it? Makes no sense... :o
Also even though this is just a cartoon you people saying "he should die" should probably think more about what you're saying. Wishing death on someone isn't your place. Locked away forever... sure, but death? :nono:
luisa081
2003-11-17, 04:26
i still dont get the serial killer thing, i thought it was tucker, but then he needs a live subject for the experiment, so was it the guy with weird arm?
I dont think it's the guy with the weird arm, he's a good guy, he wont go around killing only women. And as we all know, it's not tucker, coz the bodies din change into chimeras. Probably we'll see another strayed alchemist in the following episode. So far, most of the alchemists did something wrong in their practice, including Ed and Al.
Wandering_Youth
2003-11-17, 05:06
At first I thought he was Ed and Al's father, but I was wrong. I think he "might" be their uncle.
At first I thought he was Ed and Al's father, but I was wrong. I think he "might" be their uncle.
Who? are you talking about the weird guy who killed Nina
a)hm 52 eps eh I didn't know that I thought that it was going to be another 26 eps series. All well thats good the longer the better.
The 52 # is based off a comment made by the music person that its a year long project. The real ep count is not known.
b)Why was he so sad before the transmutation? And why was he so randomly giddy after it? Makes no sense
Mad scientist maybe? Happy the project was a sucess, sad he was going to lose his daughter?
c) Bones is sadistic. That was just cruel with the ed and "lets have fun next time scene."
d) T/l note
The chimera says "I want to die" not "Give me death" (There is a difference!)
e) If you read the manga, this episode wouldnt have been such a surprise, and if bones stays with the manga, the next ep should explain some of the stuff behind that guy. They finnaly got the manga and anime on the same timeline! I wont spoil anything about that guy, except to say: he is nothing like you will expect.
Hao Asakura
2003-11-17, 07:12
Damn.........How could Tucker did that to his own daughter??
He is such a sick freak. I was damn surprised after I found out that chimera was a combination between his daughter and the dog.
To be honest, this episode is the BEST so far for FMA though it was a bit shocking and disturbing :bash:
As someone here mentioned it before, this episode shows that anime is NOT only for kids :o
Grrrrrrrr.....wish I could put at least a punch or more on that stupid Tucker's face :dots:
Poor Nina... poor Alexander... it was expected from the preview >_<
I like what they did to the end credits... >_>
though it is a bit sadistic..... Ed's in tears o_o it's nice to find these little details they care to do @_@
FMA's joining my list of favourite series :9
Well, it looks like a new series discussion section's gonna be needed for this series.
I mean, my gosh this episode caught me off gaurd(I don't watch episode previews). I actually thought this would be a predictable episode at the beginning... Anywayz, hats off ta FMA, I look forward to watchin the rest of the series.
bLizz4rD
2003-11-17, 07:56
This episode is totally sick. Seriously too much for my tummy.
However, i note that this anime is really a good one, considering that it can draw such emotions out of it's viewers, not any anime can do.
FMA is going 3rd, just before GS n Naruto.
Cheers!
I found it odd that there was a full blown personality change in Tucker in these 2 episodes. I saw the hints that he did something to his wife midway through ep 7 but still the fact that he would use his daughter was a comple mindblow. It made no sense considering how he was acting before.
Why was he so sad before the transmutation? And why was he so randomly giddy after it? Makes no sense... :o
Also even though this is just a cartoon you people saying "he should die" should probably think more about what you're saying. Wishing death on someone isn't your place. Locked away forever... sure, but death? :nono:
I saw it comming when i heard about his wife disapearing.
I knew it from that moment that it was going to happend, But hoped it would not.
Take Care
Sakaki-
Ash Masaki
2003-11-17, 09:18
I just finished watching Ep7....man Not much else can be said. I feel the same way everyone else does. FMA is an awesome anime. This was such a good episode...man so sad...
I was upset, but when they started with the shots of Nina and Alexander during the credits...I lost it... :upset:
The guy with the cursed arm is already quite an interesting character. The whole thing about his brother cursed him with the strange markings on his arm. And something about using his curse to kill those who used alchemy against god. Very interesting.
I was upset, but when they started with the shots of Nina and Alexander during the credits...I lost it... :upset:
They did it to increase the dramatic effect. Damn them for doing that dont they have a heart, the girl just died. :frustrated:
Seems like a lot of people knew it was going to happen. I didn't have a clue it was going to end like that.
Poor Nina and Alexander:sad:. If only that general hadn't have kicked Ed and Al out!:frustrated: They may have been able to stop it! I blame the outcome entirely on that general!
Rebochan
2003-11-17, 12:21
Seems like a lot of people knew it was going to happen. I didn't have a clue it was going to end like that.
Poor Nina and Alexander:sad:. If only that general hadn't have kicked Ed and Al out!:frustrated: They may have been able to stop it! I blame the outcome entirely on that general! People who have been reading the manga translations already knew the outcome. These events transpire during Chapter 5 of the manga, though in the present instead of the past. It's just as sad there too, after you've seen all the amazing things Ed and Al have done, and then they can't even save Nina.
As for the general, I think he already did know what was going to happen and wanted the two of them out of the house so they wouldn't be able to stop it. After all, he was talking about one-upping Roy earlier, so it wouldn't surprise me.
Just saw it, very good. When I say all those caged in Chimeras it becamse prett yobvious who had been killing the ladies in town but to do that to his own daughter is pretty sick.
DarkSide Hero
2003-11-17, 13:03
It's obivous that Tucker was the serial killer. the dead female bodies they found where of failed chimera experiments.
Just like the manga, the tone of this anime goes downhill fast.
Happy...mildly tragic...sad...DEATH! BLOOD! MURDER OF INOCENTS! ALL SHALL FALL BEFORE THE REAPER'S SCYTHE!
I think it has the potential to be just as popular as Naruto, though.
Just like the manga, the tone of this anime goes downhill fast.
Happy...mildly tragic...sad...DEATH! BLOOD! MURDER OF INOCENTS! ALL SHALL FALL BEFORE THE REAPER'S SCYTHE!
I think it has the potential to be just as popular as Naruto, though.
Its better then Naruto anyday ;)
R.I.P. Nina & Alexander - we will miss you.
Such nice characters. Maybe we should do a tribute video about them - a clips show perhaps.
Anyway, my thought was that the chimera ran off to Hughes's house and live with his family. [sigh]
TK
hmm...is Ed in love? he wrote a letter and felt embarrassed when he was questioned by Nina
FlyByNite
2003-11-17, 17:31
hmm...is Ed in love? he wrote a letter and felt embarrassed when he was questioned by Nina
Well I think he probably likes Winly, the blonde girl from the flashbacks to when he and Al were living in their parents house. From the previews for the next ep it looks like she may be making an appearance and visiting them. And she's shown in the opening with a wrench on the bed.
So I'd guess she has a role to play.
Starfall
2003-11-17, 17:46
First reaction: GYAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!! Releasing kyuubi chakra!!!!!
DAMN I want to kill that Tucker #"@(#!:bash: :frustrated:
Second reaction: Buhuuu :sad: Nina is dead.............
Third reaction: (after watching the "next episode preview") :thinker: Maybe they can bring her back to life......
Third 1/2 reaction: No, thats impossible, Buhuuu :sad: Nina is dead...........
Fourth reaction: (at night) -I can't sleep...........
Tucker being a mad scientist and transmuting his own daughter after acting so sad and kind before was so inconceivable for me that I only realized it at the last moment. And then, Tucker's reasons were so weak : "mankind has evolved through countless numbers of experiments on humans" or "I just experimented because the possibility was there". How pitiful.
Apart from that, there are some points I can't understand well :
- How could Tucker be the serial killer ? Dead bodies would have been useless to transmute the chimera. And even if the women were killed by the transmutation, why would Tucker have dragged the corpses in some alley ? And why would he use women only ?
- About the guy with the brand on his arm. In the end, he said he understood its purpose : "It is to use the same devilish techniques that the alchemists who disobey God use… to destroy them". Then why did it kill Nina/Alexander, who was a only a victim ?
Oh and by the way, I really loved the scene with Ed writing a letter to Winly ^^
interesting, if you had the choice would you let the chimera live or die? I think they did the right thing and killed it rather than let it live
Rebochan
2003-11-17, 18:19
- About the guy with the brand on his arm. In the end, he said he understood its purpose : "It is to use the same devilish techniques that the alchemists who disobey God use… to destroy them". Then why did it kill Nina/Alexander, who was a only a victim ? I can help you with that one - because he didn't think it right that Nina and Alexander should have to continue living in that horrible shape when there was nothing anyone could do to reverse it. He also prayed for their souls.
We also know from the way he's been acting that his idea of justice is a bit wild...and now he's after Shou :D
Tensai_kamen
2003-11-17, 19:28
Damn this episode. It is so sad that it makes me afraid to watch it all over again. Even the sadness in Saikano cannot compare to this....:sad:
Actually, I'm happy that guy killed the Chimera. I think the story would have been even sadder if that creature had to continue a miserable existence living on the outskirts of town or something. He didn't murder her; he set her free. The guy did not kill the creature because he was a sick bastard or his was malicious. He killed it out of sorrow. I think he did the right thing, as there's no telling whether Ed would have been able to return Nina and the dog to normal.
If anything, he probably would have screwed up and created a pile of guts like what he did with his mother.
The bottom line is what happened at the end was definitely for the best, and I already like that weird new guy for what he did. It was all that could be done for Nina. It's still sad as hell, yeah, but it was the closest they could go to setting things right. I praise the creator of this story for making something more than a generic sugar-coated fairy-tale about some magical kids.
Shenlong
2003-11-17, 20:44
It is obvious that Tucker is the serial murderer, he just needs the womans soul to implant into the body of a beast to make a chimera. And as for why they were all women.. A chimera is a fire breathing she-monster from greek mythology and is usually composed of a goat, serpant and lion.
GreyArea
2003-11-17, 20:56
It is obvious that Tucker is the serial murderer, he just needs the womans soul to implant into the body of a beast to make a chimera. And as for why they were all women.. A chimera is a fire breathing she-monster from greek mythology and is usually composed of a goat, serpant and lion.
I can understand that, but why would there be remains of women found on the streets? The transmutaion requires that a human soul is combined with that of a creature to create a chimera (atleast thats my understanding of it) but they didnt look like they had been mangled very much, and certainly not combined with an animal. I thought all the failures were in the cages he had downstairs, where he performed his 'experiments'?
Anyhow, hats off to the creators for a great anime.
Also, animenfo is showing that FMA its going to run for 52 episodes, and they dont go by heresay, so I'm guessing an announcement has been made somewhere or other.
Also, animenfo is showing that FMA its going to run for 52 episodes, and they dont go by heresay, so I'm guessing an announcement has been made somewhere or other.
(OTBASHING)
Just because animenfo says it is does not make it true. Animenfo goes by a fair amount of hearsay. They have a massive amount of incorrect information. They are going by that same line I mentioned earlier. Nobody knows the official ep count. I will mention the line again: the music person said something to the effect of: "this is a year long project".
(/OTBASHING)
Shenlong
2003-11-17, 21:10
We do not know the process or how violent it is to transmute a woman's soul into a beast to make a chimera. Perhaps Tucker can rip out their soul and and carry them back to his lab in a glass jar or he kidnaps them and dumps the bodies into the street when he is finished. Maybe there is yet another mad alchemist on the loose ;)
We do not know the process or how violent it is to transmute a woman's soul into a beast to make a chimera. Perhaps Tucker can rip out their soul and and carry them back to his lab in a glass jar or he kidnaps them and dumps the bodies into the street when he is finished. Maybe there is yet another mad alchemist on the loose ;)
The alchemist in episode 4 killed off quite a few women in his attempt at capturing his lost lover's soul.
Come to think of it, it's nina who went to the weird-arm-guy. I think somehow the nina+alexander chimera can feel the guy's presence, and death is probably what the chimera wishes for. Same when Tucker made his wife into a talking chimera, the 1st words were 'I wish for death'. The weird-arm-guy just did what Ed would do if he had the guts to.
*aznplayboi*
2003-11-18, 00:56
hello....im i have two questions(even though its kinda off topic..) My first question is what catigory this falls under *example romance and comedy* cause my sister is whining for me to get a romance. oh also , is it worth my time and memory to download it..... payce....
Hao Asakura
2003-11-18, 01:06
hello....im i have two questions(even though its kinda off topic..) My first question is what catigory this falls under *example romance and comedy* cause my sister is whining for me to get a romance. oh also , is it worth my time and memory to download it..... payce....
Tsk tsk tsk........
If you spent a bit of your times and read through all the posts above, you will certainly get your answer :nono:
This is very NICE series but you won't find much romantic part in it. Obviously worth downloading n not going to be a waste in your Hard Drive.
OMG......... I was suspecting that tucker did something ot his wife but let me say it again OMG.. cant' believe that bum did that to his daughter. NINA was sooo freaking adorable. It seem like FMA isn't one of those comedy anime as I thought it would be. However, it's still good.
hello....im i have two questions(even though its kinda off topic..) My first question is what catigory this falls under *example romance and comedy* cause my sister is whining for me to get a romance. oh also , is it worth my time and memory to download it..... payce....
This is a typical shounen fight/action series. Nothing more, nothing less... and probably everyone thought this was comedy because for some reason people believed it was related to full metal panic :dots:
microlith
2003-11-18, 08:25
Re: episode count
The full count is known, as is the format for the R2 DVD release:
50 episodes
13 disc DVD release
DVD 1 = 2 episodes
DVD 2-13 = 4 episodes.
SidSavage
2003-11-18, 08:59
If it's any consolation at all to anyone, Major Hughes' newborn daughter will probably turn out to be as adorable as Nina would have. She would be around 3-4 years old in the show's present timeline. :)
DarkSide Hero
2003-11-18, 10:44
Apart from that, there are some points I can't understand well :
- How could Tucker be the serial killer ? Dead bodies would have been useless to transmute the chimera. And even if the women were killed by the transmutation, why would Tucker have dragged the corpses in some alley ? And why would he use women only ?
The best way to recreate the out come of an experiment is to keep doing the it same way, using the same materials.
The best way to recreate the out come of an experiment is to keep doing the it same way, using the same materials.
but then as a software developer the best way to build something that works is to test out the parts that will make it work individually. Tucker could be going around transmuting humans into various things just to perfect the transmuting humans part. That would mean lots of dead women, which will also explain the animals in the cages.
GreyArea
2003-11-18, 12:49
Scientific experiments and programming are too different to compare the working processes, really
Re: episode count
The full count is known, as is the format for the R2 DVD release:
50 episodes
13 disc DVD release
DVD 1 = 2 episodes
DVD 2-13 = 4 episodes.
I know where the ep counts on the first 3 discs comes from, but where did you get the ep counts on the later discs? As far as I know, they have not even announced the later discs yet.
microlith
2003-11-18, 13:29
Cause it's a logical deduction, and quite obvious.
2-13 = 12 discs, times 4 episodes = 50, plus 2 episodes on the first disc = 52 episodes.
They also have planned this from start to end, including the game. They have to, seeing as how insanely fucking popular FMA is (the collected manga volumes sell from 200,000 to a MILLION copies each, and the TV networks are going nuts for it.)
Cause it's a logical deduction, and quite obvious.
2-13 = 12 discs, times 4 episodes = 50, plus 2 episodes on the first disc = 52 episodes.
They also have planned this from start to end, including the game. They have to, seeing as how insanely fucking popular FMA is (the collected manga volumes sell from 200,000 to a MILLION copies each, and the TV networks are going nuts for it.)
I will ignore the bad math, but there is no source out there that has mentioned the ep count on any other disc past ep 3. And they dont have enough manga to go for 50 episodes. Sigh, fillers.
microlith
2003-11-18, 14:19
Correct, this is what I get for doing math at too-damn-late at night, and not checking the people I'm talking with. I apologize.
13 DVDs
Vol 1 = 2 episodes
2-13 = 4 episodes (48 total)
so 50 episodes.
And yes, there's already filler. For those who can't spot it, episodes 4 and 6 are mostly filler. They also pushed another story off, likely to be used later.
By the way, did anyone end up officially losing sleep over this episode? I remember some people mentioning that they probably would a little earlier.
I ended up losing quite a bit. I went to bed feeling kind of sad and then woke up around 2 or 3 in the morning in a cold sweat and feeling so sad that I became nauseated. I was trying to rationalize what Tucker did so much that it literally appeared to make me sick. I've seen some really sad stuff in movies and literature during my life, but this is among the worst.
So, yeah, for a moment I got into it way too much.
*repeats to himself over and over*
"It's just anime. It's just anime... It isn't real, for Christ's sake."
Well... I never lost as much sleep over it as I would had I never watched it...
But the following day after I watched the episode during a couple classes when the lectures got a little tedious, my mind wandered back to that episode. I clearly remember thinking of how f*cked up it was.
And to the guys who posted a bit before... yeah I have to agree that it would be quite a release in that condition, considering that tucker is one of the 'expert bio alchemists' Anything he says that can not be reversed pretty muich can't be reversed. Yeah, it was really screwed up how things ended.
Well, I didn't lose sleep over...and well I didn't really give it much thought at all except when I watched. I guess it's just entertainment to me. I only get any sort of emotional impact from it while I'm watching it or shortly after. No long term negative effects like sleep loss. :)
By the way, did anyone end up officially losing sleep over this episode? I remember some people mentioning that they probably would a little earlier.
I ended up losing quite a bit. I went to bed feeling kind of sad and then woke up around 2 or 3 in the morning in a cold sweat and feeling so sad that I became nauseated. I was trying to rationalize what Tucker did so much that it literally appeared to make me sick. I've seen some really sad stuff in movies and literature during my life, but this is among the worst.
So, yeah, for a moment I got into it way too much.
*repeats to himself over and over*
"It's just anime. It's just anime... It isn't real, for Christ's sake."
the only thing that i find weird is nina's voice changing to a deeper tone... changing her to a chimera is nothing .... having that guy to kill it is worst ...
what a tragic death for her..
dragonstar13
2003-11-19, 07:28
It indeed was a sad ending for Nina and Alexander.
There was no ractional reason why Tucker did what he did, at least IMO. Tucker didn't want to go back to his life as a starving alchemist, and thus did what he had to do to keep his wealthy life and title. I rather see him killed for what he did.
NoSanninWa
2003-11-19, 07:40
He truly deserves to stand trial for murdering his daughter. I'm not sure that what he did is technically murder, though it was truly horrific. Still, since there was no longer a Nina when he was done, I think we can go with the murder charge. Hopefully they'd give him the death penalty.
Unfortunately he is being protected by a powerful General who knows what he did. But doesn't care. I could guess why General Metalfist is protecting him. I'd guess that the General is hoping this research will lead to transforming soldiers into powerful alchemically enhanced half-beast warriors. There are definetly military applications for this. I'm afraid that we'll probably learn what the General wants in a future episode... I'd like that General to stand trial next to Tucker, but perhaps we'll get the satisfaction of seeing both of these monsters die in a future episode.
Y fa fret
2003-11-19, 11:27
into powerful alchemically enhanced half-beast warriors. There are definetly military applications for this.
Doubltfull, ever heard of guns? They seem to have some in FMA too, so I really doubt bigger soldiers with lots of body hair would be usefull in any manner... But this isn't reallity, so maybe...
Lord Raiden
2003-11-19, 12:05
"It's just anime. It's just anime... It isn't real, for Christ's sake."
Yup, that it definately is, but at the same time, you have to consider one thing. If they sucked you into the anime THAT much as to get so emotionally worked up, then they've done their job. In order to make you a part of the show and keep you watching, they're out to get you as hooked and directly connected to the series as possible. They did that with several in the past I remember. Scrapped Princess is a good example, or Narutaru, or even the newest emotional rollercoaster anime "Kimi ga Nozomu Eien".
So yeah, if they've invested that much effort into this anime so far and gotten you that connected and drawn in, then they've definately done their job. :)
bLizz4rD
2003-11-20, 08:25
They can plant some chimeras into the enemy's ground n evesdrop on their tactics or obtain important information. Or also by pass enemy defence without arousing any attention as "cute" little puppies or something like that.
They can also steal important information if required to as of the intentions of the military.
Cheers!
They can get the general's paper for him. ;)
Chrno Crusade
2003-11-20, 21:54
Yes, I like this anime very much, its one of the best ones, although FLCL Beats the all
I think it has like 50 o 52 episodes, cool
Yes, I like this anime very much, its one of the best ones, although FLCL Beats the all
I think it has like 50 o 52 episodes, cool
Their is 52 Episodes slated for this anime stated by animenfo.com
If only Furi Kuri was longer I love their OST The Pillows Rock.
I really like this anime, and since Square is making a game for it that means that *SOME* US company must have plans for a US TV release. Because, quite honestly, when has Squaresoft done a game based on a anime? Never, its never happened.
(atleast i can hope for a US TV release thats not butchered to death, right? :) )
Kari the Alchemist
2004-12-23, 16:36
I was gonna bawl my eyes out. I couldn't get to sleep for abour 2 hours. I actually liked the part at the end because it was so adorable. I don't think that guy who killed them ment to, i think he was trying to seperate them. I also think that they should sacfrice Shou Tucker for nina, cuz then it would be an equal exchange right. A soul and body for a soul and body! This episode was sad but it was so good. :sad:
Kempis Curious
2004-12-23, 18:59
Good heavens, what a zombie thread... over a year since the last post.
Did anyone else find it necessary to read the thread to remember what it was about? :D
Now Kari the Alchemist I'm Curious to know why you're posting so late? Are you just watching this anime for the first time?
-k
curious
The dubbed version of FMA is currently at episode 07. Maybe that's why?
Anyway, 'tis was a tear dropping episode indeed. I wanna see how well(or bad) they did it for the dubbed version. Too bad I don't have CN in Canada =/
Pepperidge
2004-12-23, 22:04
The dubbed version of FMA is currently at episode 07. Maybe that's why?
Anyway, 'tis was a tear dropping episode indeed. I wanna see how well(or bad) they did it for the dubbed version. Too bad I don't have CN in Canada =/
Apart from the Adult Swim shows on Saturday night, there really isn't anything worth watching on CN. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that YTV is better in most ways. Hopefully they'll pick up FMA by next year. You can always e-mail them about it, too.
info@ytv.com
crazyXsunshine
2004-12-24, 11:16
sooo... HOW WAS THE VOICE ACTING?
did it manage to convey the emotion going through ed's voice after nina's death as well as in japanese subbed?
i hope it didn't sound corny and all sniff sniff.
I thought Vic Mignogna (Ed’s VA) did a great job in this episode, he pulled off all the emotion that this episode brings about. Chuck Huber did a great job as Shou Tucker. Al's VA needed to show a bit more emotion, but the VA is improving, I would say with more experience this kid they got can become a pretty good Al. As for Scar, Dameon Clarke is perfect for Scar, its hard to believe that there would be an American VA that would be better. Of course this all in my opinion, so take it for what you will.
Kamui4356
2004-12-24, 20:49
I thought Vic Mignogna (Ed’s VA) did a great job in this episode, he pulled off all the emotion that this episode brings about. Chuck Huber did a great job as Shou Tucker. Al's VA needed to show a bit more emotion, but the VA is improving, I would say with more experience this kid they got can become a pretty good Al. As for Scar, Dameon Clarke is perfect for Scar, its hard to believe that there would be an American VA that would be better. Of course this all in my opinion, so take it for what you will.
It's usually the case that the american VAs improve as the series goes on, even experenced ones. I think it has to do with each VA recording their lines indivdually, as opposed to the japanese method of having all the VAs record the scenes together. I also think they should have recorded this episode out of order so the VAs had a bit more time to get their roles down, of course for all I know they did just that. :heh: Ed and al could have used a bit more emotion in the last few scenes, but the voice acting was better than it has been. The emotion seemed to be conveyed better then the VAs had managed in the earilier scene where Ed and Al fail the human transmutation of their mother.
As much as I hate dubs, I have to admit this one is actually decent. :heh:
ChainLegacy
2004-12-24, 23:33
Oh man, I can't believe I missed this episode. [Chris Farley]STUPID[/Chris Farley] I really wanted to see this dubbed. Does anyone know if they play the episode multiple times? Oh, I really want to hear Scar, too.
Kamui4356
2004-12-25, 01:46
Oh man, I can't believe I missed this episode. [Chris Farley]STUPID[/Chris Farley] I really wanted to see this dubbed. Does anyone know if they play the episode multiple times? Oh, I really want to hear Scar, too.
Well they air fma saturday and then repeat it thursday, so you missed it both times. But don't worry, I'm sure they'll start to rerun the episodes after they air about 15 of them.
darks_fallen_angel
2006-02-11, 21:23
This episode for me was one of the saddest in the series.The fact that shou tucker was desperate enough to transmute his own daughter like that just makes me sick.Not to mention the heart-breaking effect it had on the Elric brothers,especially Edward..it seems that everywhere they turn they find messed up people like that.I'm the first to say that Tucker deserves the punishment he'll get in future episodes.
d3v4st4t10n
2006-02-28, 12:38
this anime was really awesome. It was so different form the manga version that I have to give it an A+ ^_^ Nina and Alexander's end was very different. I feel sorry for Edward who i think feels really sad and even a little guilty. After all, we're all human beings
cyber_end_dragon
2006-03-09, 18:50
that episode was so sad!
angel killer
2006-03-10, 10:29
This episode for me was one of the saddest in the series.The fact that shou tucker was desperate enough to transmute his own daughter like that just makes me sick.Not to mention the heart-breaking effect it had on the Elric brothers,especially Edward..it seems that everywhere they turn they find messed up people like that.I'm the first to say that Tucker deserves the punishment he'll get in future episodes.
right on death to tucker
plus the heart breaking effect hit ne even more when the ending credits came up showind the elric brothers playing with nina talk about kicking us when were down :upset: :upset:
pavichokche
2006-04-18, 20:34
I just started watching fma and i like it.this epizode gave me the creeps!!!it was so scary and saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.oh my god!!!the first thing i said when i realized that the chimera was nina was "shit".even my brother kept his hand on his mouth in a sign of shock for about five minutes.I am stil shocked and every time i see the picture of the chimera i get the creeps and look at the door(if it's open!!!)
Ah, yes indeed one of the sadest episodes from this series.
This episode alone earns Full Metal Alchemist the status of being an anime that can be depressing.
As for killing Tucker, yes I am sure Edward does want to get revenge for Nina.
For the reasons that Tucker did this, are you really that surprised?
The guy killed his wife, in that he used her for his first chimera.
Tucker is obviously twisted and will do anything to keep his job.
However, I think he cared for Nina more than he lets on in this episode.
He spends a lot of time trying to remake Nina using alchemy after this.
fmafanatic
2006-04-21, 05:08
oh yes sad episode I WANT MORE FMA ive seen em all though i want more its sad coz i just got into fma and its alredy gone it onli jus came to australia wich is where i am oh i love it soo
Soka-chan
2006-05-18, 07:09
This ep for me is the moment when this series stops being "just any other shonen anime" and starts being "amazing FMA, that's like no other"
And, heck, my 12 year-old bro cried when seeing it!!(I was totally shocked, he's a tough guy, and likes to show it)
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