Madoka Magica - Movie Discussion (& Speculation) Thread

[duckroll]

Newtype cover:

http://i.imgur.com/TeY7r.jpg


Madoka movie project announced?!!!!

[sa547]

No... Holy shit, bombshell! :D

[Pachael]

I saw that and spat out my drink!

[MartianMage]

Newtype cover:

http://i.imgur.com/TeY7r.jpg


Madoka movie project announced?!!!!
Seriously? That would be awesome!

[AdamEndless9]

It is officially going to be announced in the issue!
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-11-07/madoka-magica-film-project-launches

[Azuma Denton]

Yesh, a movie announced... :D
Wonder what'll the story telling...
Hopefully it is not a recap / remastered from the tv series...

[zato_1one]

This is both good news and bad news for me. I don't think Shaft can handle both Kizumonogatari the movie and Madoka the movie properly in the same year. I hope that Madoka movie will air in 2013. =_=

[sa547]

We may have to wait for any further announcements; too early for speculation till we get an official statement.

Update (STOP PRESS): That's odd. Someone went to inquire HMV and they said that the December issue will have Nanoha on it. What?

http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-5107.html#more

They're now trying to examine the picture, to see if it's genuine or someone went to insane lengths to reproduce a genuine-looking cover of NT.

[Lord of Fire]

If true, this would be interesting. If false, it would be the ultimate troll.

I hope it's true, though.

[bhl88]

It's probably for Gears of Destiny.

@on topic: And thus, the fandom rejoices.

[zato_1one]

According to ANN, HMV's anime department apologized (https://twitter.com/#!/HMV_Anime/status/133581585265065984) for spreading unconfirmed information on the possibility of a Madoka Magica film in its posting earlier in the day.

[bhl88]

According to ANN, HMV's anime department apologized (https://twitter.com/#!/HMV_Anime/status/133581585265065984) for spreading unconfirmed information on the possibility of a Madoka Magica film in its posting earlier in the day.

XD OTL I thought it was true.... or it was probably advanced information.... PLEASE.

[cicero]

XD OTL I thought it was true.... or it was probably advanced information.... PLEASE.

From the senior editor on the ANN forum:

"It's a bit confusing, but HMV's anime department was the one dismissing the possibility of Madoka Magica film. Now, it's retracting its dismissal."

So, what it means is, the HMV anime department sent out the message about it being fake since Nanoha cover...then apparently changed their minds about that.

Edit: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=522855&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

End of that thread is the clarification. Yeah...they could have worded it better.

[blakstealth]

So, it's happening? :D

[Lord of Fire]

So, it's happening? :D

Apparently, yes.

Only way to know for sure is to see the NewType cover when it's out, which should be soon.

[Kaioshin Sama]

So compilation film or new story? Place bets now.

[blakstealth]

Excellent...

it's gonna be a slice of life!

[Oblivion]

Continuing the story after it's already over? I'll take a new story or even some random filler over a continuation any day.

[FRS]

If it's going to happend i hope it's not just a recap.

[abc0716]

Actually, I don't really like the movie project news.

In my opinion, this is better they stop to make anything about PMMM. Something like, it (the plot) don't has anything can show us now.

Anyway, hope it will be a good movie, regardless it's a prequel, spinoff or sequel.

[kitten320]

As long as it is not a recap, I don't care. I really find recap stuff useless, why do they even create them?

I wouldn't mind slice of life but I also wouldn't mind some kind of prequel. About sequel... it will turn into slice of life more than anything unless Madoka will magically come back to earth.

[Suzuku]

Oh god, not another SHAFT movie. They haven't even started animating Kizumonogatari yet. We won't see this for two years at the least.

[Triple_R]

You know, I think I'm cooler with a movie than a brand new TV series.

With a movie, I think you'll get something loud, colorful, explosive, and fairly self-contained/stand-alone (running somewhere between 2 and 3 hours, chances are), as anime movies based on established anime are often aimed at a wider audience than hardcore fans of the original property itself.

Compared to a TV series sequel, I see less chance here to "screw things up", as it were. It may well just be "An action-packed adventure in the life of Akemi Homura fighting demons in 'Madoka World', with some appearances from other PMMM girls and some touching flashbacks". If so, I would suggest that SHAFT make a big bad main demon that's like Gilgamesh from Fate/Zero. Homura vs. Gates of Babylon could be a lot of fun. ;)

Conversely, it could be a pure recap, with some finishing touches put on. I hope it's not that. :heh:

[Guernsey]

that would be a fun idea............just don't let DEEN take that idea.

[Oblivion]

that would be a fun idea............just don't let DEEN take that idea.

Don't give them any ideas...:uhoh:

[Kaioshin Sama]

Excellent...

it's gonna be a slice of life!

If it is it'll probably tank. Don't think people tuned into Madoka Magica to see the daily boring lives of Kaname Madoka. I see absolutely no reason to make Madoka into something cookie cutter when probably it's greatest strength was working to break free of genre trappings.

[bhl88]

If it is it'll probably tank. Don't think people tuned into Madoka Magica to see the daily boring lives of Kaname Madoka.

Yeah.... if it was a dark ending, I would have liked it anyway. But to see a slice of life...... well I'd watch it for a new reason: 4dalulz

[Kaioshin Sama]

Yeah.... if it was a dark ending, I would have liked it anyway. But to see a slice of life...... well I'd watch it for a new reason: 4dalulz

Yeah basically. It sure wouldn't have much in common with what made Madoka such a hit that's for sure. Might as well start a new franchise at that rate. As someone who is not to keen on Deen I'd take them doing a Madoka movie before I'd take a "Slice of Life Magical Girl Tale". I mean I honestly really and truly could not think of anything further from Madoka than that which people call "slice of life" and it makes me wonder why fans of the franchise would even suggest such a thing except as a joke. I mean this was a joke right guys? :uhoh:

[bhl88]

lol or there would be a battle between Godoka and Nanoha.... Godoka will teach you how to make friends, Nanoha.

[Triple_R]

I'd be pretty shocked if a Madoka movie is slice of life. You generally don't see major genre shifts like that when going from TV series to movie, and if you do, it's generally to become more action-packed, not less. :heh:

[Guernsey]

I prefer an action packed movie anyway especially if has something that would fans talking for ages.

[KyriaL]

Here is to hoping that the movie is episode 10 greatly extended and further explored. Or another epic timeline where the outcome would not actually change anything from the original series but add to it.

A slice of life movie is not the way to go for shows that are successful due to its dark twists and plots! Not even a recap-styled movie.

[Oblivion]

Or another epic timeline where the outcome would not actually change anything from the original series but add to it.

I think this would be a great thing to do and would love to see it happen.

And as for slice of life, what could they possibly do? That genre and this anime don't really seem to fit together well.

[AdamEndless9]

Now it's officially confirmed!
http://0taku.livedoor.biz/archives/4006003.html
&
http://otanews.livedoor.biz/archives/51836543.html

[duckroll]

It seems that the movie project involves 3 films. The first two films will be a rearrangement of the TV series, like other popular anime movies, while the final film will be a brand new continuation of sorts. Aniplex is really milking it while it's hot.

[sa547]

The cover is undoubtedly genuine:
http://i.imgur.com/ILmpl.jpg

[bhl88]

By the way... the thread's name has been typo-ed... Mododa.

Now if they include the three in a limited edition box... it'll be great.

[Triple_R]

It seems that the movie project involves 3 films. The first two films will be a rearrangement of the TV series, like other popular anime movies, while the final film will be a brand new continuation of sorts. Aniplex is really milking it while it's hot.

That's... somewhat disappointing.

Ah well, guess I'll be really looking forward to Part 3 of the trilogy at least. :heh:

[Azuma Denton]

Yesh it is finally official !!!
2 compilation movie, and one brand new story for the last movie...


SHAFT is going to be busy next year...

[BaKaBaKaOtaKu]

OMG. IS THIS REAL??!

I can't contain this new info. I'm seriously rejoicing and worried at the same time!! Pls if this happens to be a sequel, MAKE IT EPIC!! if it ends up as a RETELLING of the series like Eva Rebuild, MAKE IT EPIC and UNPREDICTABLE.

SHaft, Urobuchi,JUST PLEASE..DO NOT RUIN THE AWESOMENESS THAT IS PMMM!

EDIT: stupid me,i didn't read the latter posts. so it's 3 films w/ the last one being a continuation? madohomu? lol

[Solace]

The retellings should be interesting in a "spot the differences" way....but I'm kind of hoping that it's a loose adaptation so that it will at least be interesting. Otherwise the only one interesting will be the third movie which will be....an actual continuation?!

I wonder if they'll use the third movie to bridge a gap between season one and a potential season two, or if it will just be a quick fly through the plot with lots of pretty animation but otherwise shallow event.

[Triple_R]

Well, if it's a loose adaptation...

IIRC, Shinbo explicitly said he really wanted Sayaka to survive. I wonder if he'll get his way this time. ;)

[Kazu-kun]

The retellings should be interesting in a "spot the differences" way....but I'm kind of hoping that it's a loose adaptation so that it will at least be interesting. Otherwise the only one interesting will be the third movie which will be....an actual continuation?!

Well, it could be a retelling but from Homura's POV, an extended episode 10 of sort. That would be interesting, and it could include more backstory for the other characters.

I wonder if they'll use the third movie to bridge a gap between season one and a potential season two, or if it will just be a quick fly through the plot with lots of pretty animation but otherwise shallow event.

For the last one, I'd be happy with Homura being awesome while fighting the Maju. Put some last Maju boss there for Homura to kick butt and I'm set.

[christinemarie]

Puella Magi Madoka Magica is trying to invade the anime movie world next year which is always topped by the big five (Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Detective Conan, and Pokemon.) Can P.M.M.M beat any of the big five in movie earnings? stay tuned.

[Triple_R]

For the last one, I'd be happy with Homura being awesome while fighting the Maju. Put some last Maju boss there for Homura kick but and I'm set.

Totally agree. I think that's probably the best approach for the third movie.

[Solace]

Well, if it's a loose adaptation...

IIRC, Shinbo explicitly said he really wanted Sayaka to survive. I wonder if he'll get his way this time. ;)

One could hope...but Gen's good at crushing that. :p

Well, it could be a retelling but from Homura's POV, an extended episode 10 of sort. That would be interesting, and it could include more backstory for the other characters.

For the last one, I'd be happy with Homura being awesome while fighting the Maju. Put some last Maju boss there for Homura to kick butt and I'm set.

Good ideas. I'm not sure how much emphasis on Homura there should be though. The way the anime worked, each character was given some room to shine, so I'm hoping that is the case in the movies. I'm sure some might not mind the stories basically being "Homura Magica" but personally I'm hoping to see something a little different.

I won't speculate too much for now given that there's so little info though. I am happy to see that we'll at least get a little more Madoka universe.

[bhl88]

I pray that Madoka Magica will match Evangelion.

Madoka grows to become a goddess *Tsubasa no Kudasai, Madoka style BGM*
Mami: ima watashi no negaigoto ga
kanau naraba tsubasa ga hoshii
Madoka: kono senaka ni tori no you ni
shiroi tsubasa tsukete kudasai
Kyuubey: kono *gets shot*
Homura: oozora ni tsubasa wo hiroge
tonde yukitai yo
kanashimi no nai
jiyuu na sora e
tsubasa hatamekase
yukitai.........

[PzIVf3]

Is this real?

[Kazu-kun]

Good ideas. I'm not sure how much emphasis on Homura there should be though. The way the anime worked, each character was given some room to shine, so I'm hoping that is the case in the movies. I'm sure some might not mind the stories basically being "Homura Magica" but personally I'm hoping to see something a little different.

Well, unlike TV series, movies work best when the focus on the characters is more narrow, but screen-time and POV are not the same thing anyway. All in all, I'm sure they could make all the characters shine while keeping the POV on Homura all the same.

For the last movie though, if it's really a sequel, I definitely would like more emphasis on Homura (since Madoka is "no more"). There's no need to be deep in that point IMO. Just some awesome fighting would do.

But yeah, let's wait and see.

[Riga92]

There's a rumor going on in 4chan, from 2ch, that one of the movies will focus entirely on Episode 10, Drama CD1, and also Kyouko and Mami's past from Drama CD 3.

[Triple_R]

One could hope...but Gen's good at crushing that. :p



Good ideas. I'm not sure how much emphasis on Homura there should be though. The way the anime worked, each character was given some room to shine, so I'm hoping that is the case in the movies. I'm sure some might not mind the stories basically being "Homura Magica" but personally I'm hoping to see something a little different.

I won't speculate too much for now given that there's so little info though. I am happy to see that we'll at least get a little more Madoka universe.

Well, last we saw, Mami and Kyouko are still around in "Madoka World". If you have Sayaka survive this time around, then she could be there too...

Three or four magical girls fighting against Maju, while Madoka telepathically communicates with Homura. Maybe have the plot be that one of the Maju somehow develops a cunning conqueror personality, somehow learns of Madoka's existence, and plots to somehow "find" her, attack her, and take her power.

Of course, I might be dreaming in American comic book-esque technicolor right now. :heh:

[bhl88]

Your tickets to the movie:
http://img3.lln.crunchyroll.com/i/spire2/43dbded8fa8849c47271be37f3857ed61320732771_full.jp g

[Kazu-kun]

There's a rumor going on in 4chan, from 2ch, that one of the movies will focus entirely on Episode 10, Drama CD1, and also Kyouko and Mami's past from Drama CD 3.

Well well, it seems my speculah is becoming true.

So, it could be like this:

movie 1-----> episode 10 extended + drama CD (1 and 3)

movie 2-----> series recap (- episode 10)

movie 3-----> sequel, badass Homura kicking serious amount of Maju ass.


Make it happen SHAFT, make it happen!!!

[Riga92]

Well well, it seems my speculah is becoming true.

So, it could be like this:

movie 1-----> episode 10 extended + drama CD (1 and 3)

movie 2-----> series recap (- episode 10)

movie 3-----> sequel, badass Homura kicking serious amount of Maju ass.


Make it happen SHAFT, make it happen!!!

That's exactly what I'm thinking too. I think Movie 1 would turn out to be great. Expand on Madoka and Homura's relationship we didn't see in TL1 and more, and animate Kyouko's and Mami's backstory.

The last two movies I'm a bit hesitant. A recap of the whole TV series, minus episode 10, it could go either way. And a brand new sequel movie could be extremely awesome or very disappointing.

[applejuice]

Just read some comments in 2ch. WRYYYYYYYYYYYY

The plot for original movie is already finished by Urobuchi, which was a bit too small for another TV series, thus making it movie instead. There are also staffs who wanted to watch MadoMagi series with Movie quality direction, thus Iwakami just decided to make it trilogy so that everyone is happy.

Also in the magazine, there was comment from Anno Hideaki;

Anno: I like Kyuube.

and people, relax. Nothing will be ruined. They said they won't change the plot. Plot is already done, and it will have almost 3 years to modify and fix until the last movie airs. Just think of it as end of eva.....

oh shit.

[zato_1one]

It seems that the movie project involves 3 films. The first two films will be a rearrangement of the TV series, like other popular anime movies, while the final film will be a brand new continuation of sorts. Aniplex is really milking it while it's hot.

LOL @ Aniplex :heh:

But it's understandable. They might never anticipate that Madoka would become a massive hit like this. It may be too sudden for them to come up with new material. They should know that the sequel is probably the hardest task. They need time to polish new plot to make it interesting and live up to expectation. IMO The problem is that it may take 5 years before it's finished...

Well, Shaft, I hope that you don't lose your concentration on your current projects Nisemonogatari and Kizumonogatari. They are also big projects. Not many studios own two big franchises. Please don't screw them.

Puella Magi Madoka Magica is trying to invade the anime movie world next year which is always topped by the big five (Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Detective Conan, and Pokemon.) Can P.M.M.M beat any of the big five in movie earnings? stay tuned.

Definitely not. Quote me if I'm wrong. :eyespin:

PMMM is very famous series, no doubt about it. But it's still not a main stream series. PMMM has different target audiences. The movie will have less theaters just like many previous famous series such as Haruhi, Nanoha.

[applejuice]

Well, Shaft, I hope that you don't lose your concentration on your current projects Nisemonogatari and Kizumonogatari. They are also big projects. Not many studios own two big franchises. Please don't screw them.

If what Shaft's staff twitter/rumours/magazine comments are true, they will be fine. Nisemonogatari is supposed to be going pretty normal if what they said in magazine is not a lie. In case of Kizumonogatari, the rumour of working about it was already out for a long time before its announcement.

lol but the problem is, it is still Shaft.

Shafted is their moto.

[Xion Valkyrie]

Your tickets to the movie:
http://img3.lln.crunchyroll.com/i/spire2/43dbded8fa8849c47271be37f3857ed61320732771_full.jp g

Would make an awesome collector's item. If this really were the ticket, people would be buying extra tickets and not redeeming them...

[Peanutbutter]

Your tickets to the movie:

Damn, I won't even want to use it if that's really the ticket. :D

[sa547]

Puella Magi Madoka Magica is trying to invade the anime movie world next year which is always topped by the big five (Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Detective Conan, and Pokemon.) Can P.M.M.M beat any of the big five in movie earnings? stay tuned.

I think they're in a different category -- the mass-production category -- not good to lump the new Madoka movies with any of them... and you forgot to mention SnT.

I pray that Madoka Magica will match Evangelion.

Madoka grows to become a goddess *Tsubasa no Kudasai, Madoka style BGM*
Mami: ima watashi no negaigoto ga
kanau naraba tsubasa ga hoshii
Madoka: kono senaka ni tori no you ni
shiroi tsubasa tsukete kudasai
Kyuubey: kono *gets shot*
Homura: oozora ni tsubasa wo hiroge
tonde yukitai yo
kanashimi no nai
jiyuu na sora e
tsubasa hatamekase
yukitai.........

:heh: Then Third Impact.

Anno: I like Kyuube.

Quote of the week.

[BaKaBaKaOtaKu]

Dayum. I'll be the happiest person in the world if Drama CD 3 gets animated. Kyouko/Mami goodness is always a win in mah book. MadoHomu i sure hope will be explosive. XDD Ahh..the awesomeness of Yuri. <<33

[abc0716]

Oh, it will release with 3 movies instead.

Hope it will not like Nanoha or Zeta Gundam movies.

[pikachuwei]

I just watched the final of the 2 macross Frontier movies, were frickin brilliant

if PMMM movies are able to improve on the TV series like the MacFrontier movies did, I will be a very, very happy person.

[Jimmy C]

If they dedicate 2 whole movies to a retelling of the series, that's actually longer than the TV series itself. Minus OP, ED and previews, the story portion of the series is about 4 hours and 20 minutes long. Assuming something similar to the last few anime movies I watched, each movie would be between 2 and 3 hours long. They could comfortably add a whole hour of extra content to the story.
The thing is, if you give equal treatment to the episodes, the breakpoint between the movies is ep6. That hardly seems like the best place to end a movie to me.

[Sol Falling]

lol wow, four pages already. Just yesterday I came to realize that what I've really been missing in my life this season/lately has been a bit of SHAFT. And so I wondered a bit about what I'd see next from them. This announcement kinda brings it home that SHAFT has really hit the big time. With [Nise/Kizu]monogatari on the horizon, and three Madoka movies in the works, much as I'm a big fan of both these franchises, what I'm really hoping is that they'll still have time for their more quirky, humbler works.

Anyway, Madoka movies, huh. The comparison brought up to stuff like mainstream shounen movies is kinda interesting, because much as Madoka has been called a "social phenomenon", in truth, all of the avenues of access to the series (NicoNico broadcasts, >1:00 am late night airings, expensive Bluerays) ultimately still seem oriented towards the "enthusiast" crowd. Although, after all the examples of "high criticism" of Madoka I've seen popping up in the wiki, I've come to appreciate the serious merit this series could potentially offer if understood as a piece of literature, I'm thinking that a box-office theatrical release could potentially spread Madoka's impact as a phenomenon even further to a mainstream, adult audience.

I wonder if SHAFT/Aniplex are mindful of this and taking these possibilities into consideration. Coincidences converged this year to grant Madoka the weight/imprint of something of a watershed significance in Japanese popular culture. I'm sure, even beyond the 70,000 BD/DVD's they've sold, many Japanese people must've heard of it without having any comprehensive or directed exposure. The conversion of Madoka for theatrical presentation is a direct opportunity to reach such individuals. For these reasons I am hoping that even in recompositing the original series SHAFT takes as many liberties as it likes.

lol, it would be great to leave the second movie on a cliffhanger. That would kick ass. I think the degree to which SHAFT show's an interest in shifting around with the old material will be in direct proportion to my hype. Well, suffice it to say, I'm excited by the possibilities.

[duckroll]

If they dedicate 2 whole movies to a retelling of the series, that's actually longer than the TV series itself. Minus OP, ED and previews, the story portion of the series is about 4 hours and 20 minutes long. Assuming something similar to the last few anime movies I watched, each movie would be between 2 and 3 hours long. They could comfortably add a whole hour of extra content to the story.
The thing is, if you give equal treatment to the episodes, the breakpoint between the movies is ep6. That hardly seems like the best place to end a movie to me.

Compilation movies are usually between 90mins to 130mins long, so it's unlikely that it would be longer than the TV series.

[sa547]

Wait a minute... it made sense!

Several months ago, Aniplex posted out a newspaper ad calling for job applicants for an unspecified animation project, and then it turns out they're prepping up for this BIG THING.

How could I miss that? Damn.

[Horse]

Assuming something similar to the last few anime movies I watched, each movie would be between 2 and 3 hours long.

Lawl, what the hell did you watch?

[Liddo-kun]

Wow, didn't expect this good news!
Hoping that they proceed with the project soon.

[Jimmy C]

Lawl, what the hell did you watch?

The Haruhi movie (2h41m), the Gundam00 movie (2h) and the Nanoha movie (2h10m)

Compilation movies are usually between 90mins to 130mins long, so it's unlikely that it would be longer than the TV series.

But, at 130mins each, they'd barely need to cut more than a few repeated scenes and some transition scenes and they'd have enough room to fit in the credit rolls.

[Oblivion]

Wait, why are they releasing two movies? Is the second movie going to be a continuation of the first or somethig completely different?

[Suzuku]

Wait, why are they releasing two movies? Is the second movie going to be a continuation of the first or somethig completely different?
It's 3 movies. Two are compilations/retellings of the original series and one is a completely new story.

[aeriolewinters]

Any possibility of Oriko and Kirika appearing here?

[ninryu]

Hopefully this time we won't be trolled and finally get our HomuMado and KyouSaya.

[Solace]

Thinking on this more, I'm realizing how bothered I am by what the continuation will be like. The story ends with a hopeful note and Madoka teases us with the promise of further miracles but we all know by now (including those of us who didn't expect it coming in) that if Gen is writing the story some characters are going to stay dead, the rest will go through hell, and we may get some kind of bittersweet ending if we're lucky. Besides that, unless we somehow get another "person shows up with universe changing potential", the story is pretty much finished. To continue this story means that you'd have to further rewrite the MG system (something that was implied is impossible outside of Madoka's wish), and you'd have to pull Madoka back into the story which seems difficult considering her new existence.

Barring something entirely new to shake up the story, the only thing I can think of them doing would be to finish up the existence of Mami, Kyouko, and Homura as Magical Girls in some kind of epic battle until they finally expire and go meet Sayaka and Madoka in some kind of existential "happily ever after" afterlife/reincarnation bit.

In the absence of those two possibilities all that's really left is some kind of parallel universe story like Oriko.

Any possibility of Oriko and Kirika appearing here?

I'd be surprised if either of the comic adaptations end up animated, but of the two Oriko would fit the movie/OVA format better. Kazumi's story fits better (at the moment) with a television schedule. If it were either of these though, they would have likely just told us directly.

[Triple_R]

Thinking on this more, I'm realizing how bothered I am by what the continuation will be like. The story ends with a hopeful note and Madoka teases us with the promise of further miracles but we all know by now (including those of us who didn't expect it coming in) that if Gen is writing the story some characters are going to stay dead, the rest will go through hell, and we may get some kind of bittersweet ending if we're lucky.

I respectfully disagree. I certainly don't "know" that.

This is a movie, not a TV series. As a movie of a blockbuster anime franchise, it will likely be aimed at a general anime-watching audience (if not a general movie-watching audience), not just fans of dark material in general.

Gen has certain tendencies as a writer, but commercial factors can not be dismissed (incidentally, this is why I was skeptical of the idea of a 'bad end' in the original Madoka Magica anime).

Rebuild of Evangelion has done exceptionally well, and a large part of that may well have been Anno making things a little less dark than they were in the original NGE/End of Eva productions.

At the end of the day, I think that happy/bittersweet gets you more viewers, and more pleased viewers, than entirely sad/'bad end'.

[Sageblink]

I'm okay till I got one of those :
- Timeline 1 (kinda prequel)
- Homura vs Magus (sequel)
- Madoka godess mode meeting the witches we encourtered in the anime (Gertrude, Charlotte) with some footage of their MG form.

[Key Board]

Incubator's Counterattack?

hmm..

Homura: "Magical girls are not just for show!"
QB: "Madoka could have been like a mother(lode) of energy to me"

[bhl88]

I think they're in a different category -- the mass-production category -- not good to lump the new Madoka movies with any of them... and you forgot to mention SnT.

:heh: Then Third Impact.


The Third Impact was done by a galaxy-sized Godoka who killed her own planet-sized witch.

So will Anno and Shinbo direct the movies together? XD

[Kazu-kun]

Relevant bits from NewType (TL'd by symbv):

岩・反響が放送中から大きかったので、1月頃から第2期の検討を始めていた
虚・そこで提出したプロットは放送話数1クール分に満たない分量だった
岩・TVシリーズを劇場版として見たいというスタッフの意見もあり、TVシリーズ再編集版を前後編で2本、 完全新作を1本で全3本の劇場版プロジェクトを立ち上げる事にした
I - Since the feedback was really great even during broadcast, since around January we started to consider a 2nd season.
U - But the plot that was submitted (for discussion) was not sufficient to fill up one cour...
I - And there were opinion from some staff who wanted to see the TV series in a movie format, so at the end we started the movie project in which there are altogether 3 movies - 2 movies as a two-part work of TV series rearrangement and 1 movie that is a completely new work.

新・TVシリーズは毎回次の話が楽しみになるような「引き」を意識していたが、総集編ではそこが変わってく る
岩・TVシリーズは完成した作品だが、劇場で見る事で違う見方が出来ると思う。本当の意味でのジェットコー スタームービーになると良い
新・劇場版の総集編という言葉には浪漫がある、ヤマト然りガンダム然り、劇場のスクリーンにかかるのは作り 手としても嬉しい瞬間
蒼・劇場がイヌカレー空間になってしまうかも
虚・脚本的には尺に収める為の作業が必要だろうが、基本的にストーリーを変えるつもりはない
新・音響面は多少変わる。キャスト陣の再アフレコもしないといけないと思う
虚・再編集版は2発の打ち上げ花火で、後の完全新作に続く物だと思ってほしい
S - In the TV series we were aware of the "pulling power" that got [the watcher] to eagerly anticipate the next episode. This will change in the summary version.
I - The TV series is a work that is already complete. I think by watching the movies one can come up with a different viewpoint. If it becomes a roller-coaster movie in a true sense it will be good.
S - There is romance in the word "summary version in movie format". Be it Yamato or Gundam, for a creator the moment when he involves with the theater screen is a most happy one.
A - The theater may become a Inu-Curry space.
U - For the screenplay, there may be a need to do some work in order to fit in the length, but basically I do not plan to change the story.
S - On sound side there will be some changes. I also think the whole cast will have to do after-recording agian.
U - I want people to think that the rearrangement version as a two-shot firework, and the completely new work that comes after is its continuation.

So the new movie IS a sequel after all.

虚・この4人が中心となった打ち合わせであるアイデアが出た事で、新作が作れる手応えを感じた
　・TVシリーズは脚本が先行していたので自分の世界観が中心だったが、新作は「Magica Quartet」の真骨頂と言える物になる
　・明らかに虚淵玄というライターだけでは出てこないアイデアがベースになっている、「魔法少女まどか☆マ ギカ」だから出来た物語になっている
　・先日新作の脚本がほぼ決定稿になった。作業は順調に進んでいる
新・サブタイトルはまだ未定
　・本当は「インキュベーターの逆襲」というタイトルにしたかった
虚・CMはキュゥべえにお願いしては
新・キュゥべえならきっと「すぐに劇場公開するなんって言っていないだろう」と言うのでは
U - During discussions that were centered around the 4 people here we came up with a certain idea, and I finally got the feeling that I am able to create a new work.
- Where as in the TV series, as the screenplay came first, my world view was at the center, in the new work it will be something that can be said to showcase the true value of "Magica Quartet".
- Some days ago the final draft of the screenplay for the new work was all but finished. The production work is progressing smoothly.
S - The subtitle is not decided yet
- I really wanted to make the title "Incubator Strikes Back".
U - Let's ask Kyubey to do the CM...
S - I am sure Kyubey will just say "you didn't say it will be released to theaters that soon, did ya?"...

Does this mean that in the new movie Kyubey is out to make everyone's lives miserable again? Fuck you, Kyubey!

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・庵野秀明氏：キュゥべえは記号としてのキャラとして徹底されていて気持ちいい。魔女の記号化とかも巧い、 あと音楽が良い。あと10話のほむほむの描き方がよかった。劇場版も期待しています
・佐考仁司氏：まどかとほむらのコンビはもう最高
・松井玲奈氏：10話のEDやキュゥべえが語りかけるシーンなど、心の底から楽しんだ
- Hideaki Anno: It feels good to see Kyubey to be so thoroughly worked as a symbol as well as a character. The symbolization of the witches is also skilfully done. And then the music is good. And then the way HomuHomu was depicted in Ep.10 was good. I have good expectation of the movie edition.

- Hitoshi Sakoh (apparently the guitarist of a rock band called Galileo Galilei): The pairing of Madoka and Homura is just the best!

Even Anno loves Homu. Homu is the best!!

[Triple_R]

They should have named it Incubator Strikes Back, or Incubator's Counterattack. That would have really rocked. :heh:

[blakstealth]

Cannot feckin wait for this sheep.

[Animexcel]

The Rebuild of Madoka Magica. Let's do this!

[Solace]

@Triple_R: Perhaps, but his history has shown what his MO generally is like. This is his first major project though (outside of Fate Zero), so it remains to be seen how much things will change to appeal to the mainstream. I get the feeling it won't be much, but I doubt the ending will change for the worse in tone. A huge reason why the show was successful in Japan was that it gave a strong hopeful message at a time when the population needed it most.

On the other hand....

I really wanted to make the title "Incubator Strikes Back".

KAAAAHHHHHNNNNN!!!

[Arkanis]

I'm shivering with excitement. What do Shinbo and Urobuchi have in stock for us? Whatever it is, I'll take it. I just hope that Yuki Kajiura will again be in charge of the OST that would be glorious. And the insatisable aspect of myself hopes for even more. 3 Movies, an Oriko OVA and Season 2. Goddammit, Shaft, milk it till the bittersweet end, please!

[bhl88]

i'm shivering with excitement. What do shinbo and urobuchi have in stock for us? Whatever it is, i'll take it. I just hope that yuki kajiura will again be in charge of the ost that would be glorious. And the insatisable aspect of myself hopes for even more. 3 movies, an oriko ova and season 2. goddammit, shaft, milk it till the bittersweet end, please!

milk it till it becomes evangelion-like.

[xizro345]

Realistically we're talking about 2-3 years to see all the movies IMO, considering SHAFT's scheduling issues as well.

[Animexcel]

I wonder if the movies will be more darker and bloody. I agree, Yuki Kajiura needs to come back for this.

[Oblivion]

For the continuation movie, I wonder if they're going to be adding in the demons we see at the end of ep.12? Since witches are basically done for/don't exist, they'd need some new enemy to fight.

[applejuice]

lol. Never thought of day that Anno calls the name of HomuHomu.

Movie quality Madoka Magica, Revenge of Kyubey, Homura Apocalypse, Madoka Resurrection, Mamiru version 2, Atashi ite honto baka.

Awesome.

considering SHAFT's scheduling issues as well.Here, I also see some parallel of Evangelion.

[Triple_R]

@Triple_R: Perhaps, but his history has shown what his MO generally is like.

True, and that's a good point.

However, one of those quotes Kazu-kun listed is encouraging to me.

"During discussions that were centered around the 4 people here we came up with a certain idea, and I finally got the feeling that I am able to create a new work. Where as in the TV series, as the screenplay came first, my world view was at the center, in the new work it will be something that can be said to showcase the true value of "Magica Quartet". " - Gen Urobuchi (I assume that the "U" Kazu-kun used there stood for Urobuchi), emphasis mine

What I take from that is Gen is conceding a bit to the other major players on Madoka Magica (including Shinbo) going forward, and that this will probably result in an overall less dark work. Probably not to any huge extent - I still expect it to be intense, action-packed, all that good stuff - but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a bit more upbeat in overall tone compared to the anime.


A huge reason why the show was successful in Japan was that it gave a strong hopeful message at a time when the population needed it most.

I agree. Well said. :)

[Kaioshin Sama]

I just love all the hype and people seemingly about to lose their minds over this. I think it's best to actually let the movie come out before we decide if it's the greatest thing ever or a franchise killer (cause god know there are no inbetweens right?), but since when has whatever I thought been what most people actually do? :heh:

[BaKaBaKaOtaKu]

Madoka is starting to become legendary. It MIGHT end up on par with Eva's success. It may seem quite ambitious of me,but I think it's really going there. And I'd be happy about it LOL

in any case, my main concern is the 3rd/Last movie. I. DO. NOT. KNOW. WHAT. TO. EXPECT. FROM. IT.

LOL @ Anno's comment about QB and Homerun.I never expected that from him XD

@Hitoshi Sakoh- yep, dude. MADOHOMU FTW!! =D wait,didn't shinbo say romance?

[zato_1one]

Puella Magi Madoka Magica Wars Episode 1 : The Witch Menace
Puella Magi Madoka Magica Wars Episode 2 : Attack of The Walpurgis Night
Puella Magi Madoka Magica Wars Episode 3 : Revenge of The Incubator
--------------
Puella Magi Madoka Magica Wars Episode 4 : A New Despair
Puella Magi Madoka Magica Wars Episode 5 : Kyubey Strikes Back
Puella Magi Madoka Magica Wars Episode 6 : Return of Mahou Shoujo

:twitch::D:eyespin::heh:

[Azuma Denton]

Puella Magi Madoka Magica Wars Episode 1 : The Witch Menace
Puella Magi Madoka Magica Wars Episode 2 : Attack of The Walpurgis Night
Puella Magi Madoka Magica Wars Episode 3 : Revenge of The Incubator
--------------
Puella Magi Madoka Magica Wars Episode 4 : A New Despair
Puella Magi Madoka Magica Wars Episode 5 : Kyubey Strikes Back
Puella Magi Madoka Magica Wars Episode 6 : Return of Mahou Shoujo

:twitch::D:eyespin::heh:
So we must wait another 20++ years for the next 3 movies?? :heh:

[FlavorOfLife]

I get the feeling that the movie is not so much for the fans as to try and mainstream it. I seriously doubt in japan that Madoka is watched by many people outside the anime otakus given its time slot. Sadly getting the full force of the anime in just 2 hours is going to be extremely difficult.

If they break it into 2 or more parts like Macross Frontier, it might get very difficult to remember what happen in movie 1. I remember Frontier's final fight in the anime and the movie gave me different feelings. The anime's had a strionger emotional impact but the movie looked nicer.

For the new sequel, I have always thought that Homura telling Kyubei what *was*, was going to be a danger. His ability to communicate with Madoka just before she paradoxed herself into a higher dimension and rewrote the universe showed that his race is not one to be tifled with. It might well be that Kyubei will attempt to bring the old universal rule back as its effiency was much higher.

[~Yami~]

3 episodes... 1-2 is recap and 3 is continuation..... omg... I can't believe this news... a movie?? seriously??

[Iromaru]

This year couldn't possibly get any better.

[applejuice]

in any case, my main concern is the 3rd/Last movie. I. DO. NOT. KNOW. WHAT. TO. EXPECT. FROM. IT.
世紀末 Madoka Magica.

Incubator strikes back.

We know what to expect. Millions of QB marching with "KE-YAKU KE-YAKU KE-YAKU KE-YAKU KE-YAKU KE-YAKU, KE-YAKU MUSUME!!!" and Homando armed with EMP and Mudamuda-rush by stand of Kenshiro calling "Omae wa sudeni shindeiru!!!"

[ninryu]

世紀末 Madoka Magica.

Incubator strikes back.

We know what to expect. Millions of QB marching with "KE-YAKU KE-YAKU KE-YAKU KE-YAKU KE-YAKU KE-YAKU, KE-YAKU MUSUME!!!" and Homando armed with EMP and Mudamuda-rush by stand of Kenshiro calling "Omae wa sudeni shindeiru!!!"
Oh yes, please.

If Madoka gets back I hope she will keep her long hair. It looks good on her.

[Cloudy]

An epic war scene involving an army of Puella Magis against the Incubators perhaps?

I hope Oriko and Kazumi would show up in the 3rd movie if it is a sequel to the series.

[BaKaBaKaOtaKu]

Oh yes, please.

If Madoka gets back I hope she will keep her long hair. It looks good on her.

I agree with you. She looks so pretty with her long hair <<33 Homura has long hair, she must have too!! <3

i prefer tons of majus over QB's though o_O

[kitten320]

So are there going to be 3 movies just like with Barserk?

[Liddo-kun]

Just thinking that maybe they would show Kyubey's home planet on the third movie. And Madoka gets to visit the said planet.

[Haak]

Wow, I just heard about this now. Absolutley great news. I don't care what it's about, I just want to see it.

[Cloudy]

Just thinking that maybe they would show Kyubey's home planet on the third movie. And Madoka gets to destroy the said planet.

Fixed for ya. :3

[AuraTwilight]

I wouldn't want to show Kyubey's home planet. It would ruin the Cosmic Horror vibe he brings to the series as an unknowable thing that we can't possibly relate to.

[Cosmic Eagle]

I wouldn't want to show Kyubey's home planet. It would ruin the Cosmic Horror vibe he brings to the series as an unknowable thing that we can't possibly relate to.

I would still pay to see him die though....


What chances that it will screen in cinemas here.....absolutely zero most likely....

[Jimmy C]

Killing him is easy. Preventing him from coming back is the tough part.

[00Coyote]

Kriemhild Gretchen definitely needs to pay a visit to Kyubey's home system. It'd be a nice summary of events to let the QBs back home know how things are going in the field.

[Solace]

I wouldn't want to show Kyubey's home planet. It would ruin the Cosmic Horror vibe he brings to the series as an unknowable thing that we can't possibly relate to.

Not necessarily. For example it could turn out that he's the dysfunctional one in his race, a criminal mastermind if you will. Or he could turn out to be one of the few "normal" ones for his race and everyone is worse. There's a lot of ways you can bring something new to the table while still preserving the WTF aspect of Kyubey and the other Incubators.

[Triple_R]

Not necessarily. For example it could turn out that he's the dysfunctional one in his race, a criminal mastermind if you will. Or he could turn out to be one of the few "normal" ones for his race and everyone is worse. There's a lot of ways you can bring something new to the table while still preserving the WTF aspect of Kyubey and the other Incubators.

Good point, and interesting thoughs.

Kyubey being to his people what Lex Luthor is to humans is oddly appealing to me.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Good point, and interesting thoughs.

Kyubey being to his people what Lex Luthor is to humans is oddly appealing to me.

This raises the far more disturbing scenario that the rest of his homeworld really are plushie material....

[AuraTwilight]

Not necessarily. For example it could turn out that he's the dysfunctional one in his race, a criminal mastermind if you will. Or he could turn out to be one of the few "normal" ones for his race and everyone is worse. There's a lot of ways you can bring something new to the table while still preserving the WTF aspect of Kyubey and the other Incubators.

I stress I was talking about an UNKNOWABLE COSMIC HORROR VIBE. Mere "WTF" is not sufficient.

[Guernsey]

You mean like a Lovecraftian horror whose power cannot be comprehended by mortals and will drive you insane?

[AuraTwilight]

Not necessarily; the crux of Cosmic Horror isn't about incomprehensible power, but incomprehensible alien intelligence. In a large way it's about knowing that humanity is insignificant but that doesn't really apply to Puella Magi, but the Incubators still seem incredibly distant psychologically, and their technology seems so advanced it's borderline magical, and is probably capable of doing everything except breaking the laws of physics.

Add that the Incubators on Earth are probably artificial creations (they're not REALLY cute little weasels, right?), then what point is there in seeing them? The things on Kyubey's home planet aren't really relevant to the story of Planet Earth, and it'd be just as disappointing as showing the machinators of the game in Bokurano.

[bhl88]

A Secret Project?! (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-11-25/madoka-magica-secret-project-site-opens)

Website itself (http://mm.my-gg.com/)

Announcements coming soon!

The Movie Is Coming

[omimon]

A Secret Project?! (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-11-25/madoka-magica-secret-project-site-opens)

Website itself (http://mm.my-gg.com/)

Announcements coming soon!

The Movie Is Coming

Wait...the novel, game and movie were already all announced.....

I honestly can't think of any other medium....Oh god....don't tell me it's a Madoka stage show.....

[Triple_R]

A Secret Project?! (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-11-25/madoka-magica-secret-project-site-opens)

Website itself (http://mm.my-gg.com/)

Announcements coming soon!

The Movie Is Coming

I wonder if Shinbo is actually crazy enough to try airing his desired slice of life AU of Madoka Magica at the very same time as the original narrative is retold in theaters?

Probably not, but like omimon, I have to really wonder what else is left for them to do with Madoka, especially at the level of multimedia works.

Unless they're announcing that Madoka Magica is going to get a live-action movie/TV show/stage show adaptation, but nah, it's too early for that... I would think...

[applejuice]

Unless they're announcing that Madoka Magica is going to get a live-action movie....lol.

We have TMA.

Wait...the novel, game and movie were already all announced.....

I honestly can't think of any other medium....Oh god....don't tell me it's a Madoka stage show.....

How about just OVA of Homura the Stalker vs Octabiayaka vs Chu2byou Mami vs Godoka vs Condom-chan battle loyal?

[omimon]

lol.

We have TMA.



How about just OVA of Homura the Stalker vs Octabiayaka vs Chu2byou Mami vs Godoka vs Condom-chan battle loyal?

Every time I hear about TMA I see the Japanese version of Ron Jeremy. You know who I'm talking about.

[blakstealth]

A Secret Project?! (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-11-25/madoka-magica-secret-project-site-opens)

Website itself (http://mm.my-gg.com/)

Announcements coming soon!

The Movie Is ComingA miracle is about to happen!

[bhl88]

Probably the exact date of the movie. Hope its 2012.

[KyriaL]

Probably the exact date of the movie. Hope its 2012.

To release at least a decent movie, earliest release should be very late 2012 or early 2013, that's only for the decent movie to at least stand close to the series as equals in ratings.

[Lord of Fire]

Given the fact that SHAFT is already working on other stuff (Hidamari 4, Nisemonogatari), I expect the Madoka movie to be put on the back burner for the time being. Even more so if they still have that nasty habit of being unable to make a deadline.

By comparison, the K-ON! movie comes almost 18 months after the second season aired. So yeah, if SHAFT comes with this movie any sooner than late 2012/mid-2013, don't expect much good to come from it.

[bhl88]

The anime finally finished on April 21.... so maybe late (November) 2012 XD

[zato_1one]

I don't think Shaft is capable of releasing two movies in the same year without screwing one of them or both. So, I believe that the first movie will come in 2013.

[Tainaka]

So here's a bit of news on the films, apparently Gen has finished the screenplay for the 3rd film :D and we've been provided with some awesome posters.



For more info:
http://www.animeotakucorner.com/2011/11/30/madoka%E2%98%86magica-movie-3s-screenplay-complete/

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a14/RikkuNii/maminew.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a14/RikkuNii/homumado.jpg

And on a side note:

Bikini + Hotsprings scene? Oh my Mami. :love:

[bhl88]

On the January 2012 Issue of Megami Magazine, it was announced on Urobuchi’s interview that he finally finished the screenplay of the 3rd Film. Atsuhiro Iwakami, the producer of the Upcoming 3 Films of Puella Magi Madoka Magica said that the 3rd movie is not yet being worked on the studio even though Gen Urobochi finished the screenplay.


So do it already (the first part)... That I may be satisfied for mid/late-2012...

[omimon]

So do it already (the first part)... That I may be satisfied for mid/late-2012...

They have Kizu and Hidamari during those periods. Don't forget that Shaft likes to add stuff to their Blu-rays so just because a series has aired on TV, doesn't mean production for it has finished. I expect mid/late 2013 ASSUMING they have nothing after Hidamari 4 which I seriously doubt. I'm carving for my Denpa Onna 2.

[Azuma Denton]

Well, Nise starts this January...
Kizu is confirmed for Summer...
I believe Hidamari is confirmed for either Spring...

The earliest slot for Madoka movie is in Winter...
For the 1st and 2nd movie, they can put it like 1 hour movie and be screened on a month time difference like Break Blade / Towa no Quon format...
Still it will be 2013 for the BD to be released... :heh:

[applejuice]

Well, I expect that Shaft will have at least one more TV series project going on next year other than Hida/Kizu/Mado. They like to screw up schedule by themselves... >_>

[Transitions]

And on a side note:

Bikini + Hotsprings scene? Oh my Mami. :love:

lol

I would like have 17 - 18 years old again, for say the same but in my actual age I can not say, it would sound perverted.

well, i saw this anime only 1 time, it's a continuation or several films?

[Guernsey]

So here's a bit of news on the films, apparently Gen has finished the screenplay for the 3rd film :D and we've been provided with some awesome posters.



For more info:
http://www.animeotakucorner.com/2011/11/30/madoka%E2%98%86magica-movie-3s-screenplay-complete/

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a14/RikkuNii/maminew.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a14/RikkuNii/homumado.jpg

And on a side note:

Bikini + Hotsprings scene? Oh my Mami. :love:

I feel ashamed considering that they are only fourteen in spite of the fact they are animated. Although Mami is delicious.........in a good way. :heh:

Well, I expect that Shaft will have at least one more TV series project going on next year other than Hida/Kizu/Mado. They like to screw up schedule by themselves... >_>

I am beginning to understand SHAFT a little bit now. Well I have faith that they will make a good product.

[Proto]

Sigh. Why do these companies insist on making compilation movies. Do they really think that they will be able to bring the series to the mainstream public this way?

[Sol Falling]

Sigh. Why do these companies insist on making compilation movies. Do they really think that they will be able to bring the series to the mainstream public this way?

Why not, though? In particular, two movies to cover the old material is not any substantial loss of screen time, and SHAFT has stated that they're aware of the compositional differences between a TV series which must leave viewers anticipating the next episode very week, and a movie which is experienced all at once, so that I have expectations this will not be a "compilation" but something closer to a movie "adaptation" in its own right.

[Aurine]

One thing I've been thinking since yesterday.
If this is a movie project... Would that means this would be the last series for MSMM? D:

[Triple_R]

Sigh. Why do these companies insist on making compilation movies. Do they really think that they will be able to bring the series to the mainstream public this way?

Actually, I think that's much of the point of compilation movies. To not throw new audiences right into the deep-end with an immediate continuation of the in-canon narrative.

As much as I loved The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya movie, I have to imagine that it might have been a bit hard to follow for viewers of that movie who weren't already very familiar with the established Haruhi narrative up to the point of Disappearance.


No, the people who lose out the most on compilation movies isn't the mainstream public, but rather the established fanbase. For us, the first two Madoka Magica will probably be treading a lot of familiar ground, with not many variations from what we've already seen (at most, it'll be comparable to the differences between Nanoha's first TV series and the Nanoha The First movie).

That's why if all we were getting was compilation movies, I'd be pretty disappointed. But at least the third movie will be entirely new, and so I'm happy about that. Now we just have to wait through two compilation movies to get to it.

[CrowKenobi]

^We could get compilation movies, or we could get something like the Macross Frontier movies...

[bhl88]

Or the Evangelion movies :p (and one After Story)

[Sackett]

Wait...the novel, game and movie were already all announced.....

I honestly can't think of any other medium....Oh god....don't tell me it's a Madoka stage show.....

Ballet.

There must be a Madoka Magica Ballet!

Honestly, I think ballet is one of the mediums best suited for the story of Madoka Magica.


Unless they're announcing that Madoka Magica is going to get a live-action movie/TV show/stage show adaptation, but nah, it's too early for that... I would think...

I used to think that Madoka just couldn't work as a live action movie. At least not Hollywood live action, and I think it would have to be Hollywood to get the level of special effects you'd need.

But then I did some more thinking. Magical Girls aren't really that outside the American experience. There are actually only three changes that I think would have to be made to make it more palatable to American audiences.

1: Instead of making QB an alien without emotions trying to fight entropy, leave him as a more mysterious demonish figure. I don't think there is the need to explicitly make him the devil, but a devil type character in this type of story would fit Western sensibilities better. You don't need to change his personality at all, and could probably even leave him as an alien, but he couldn't be trying to fight entropy. Just leave it as his race feeding off of the girls despair somehow. (You already have him eating the grief seeds.)

2: At the ending, instead of Kyubee just granting Madoka's wish have him refuse. Have Kyubee point out all the costs and try to dissuade Madoka from making the wish. Have Madoka insist that this is her wish and that she will pay the price. Have a disembodied voice say "Granted" and then Madoka's wish is granted. Kyubee is thus never reconciled in the epilogue and is banished instead.

Essentially you would be heightening the Christian archetypes (which don't really damage the story since it's rooted in Faust and those very Christian archetypes). It also makes Kyubee a more explicit dark power that must be banished instead of subverted (which in this type of story is what Western audiences will expect and require).

3: This is the one I expect people to object to, but it's just the way things are. There would need to be a race lift on at least some of the characters.

American media tastes aren't nearly as racially driven as other cultures, but a movie with all Japanese characters when the plot makes no such requirement would be rather strange, particularly for the character of Madoka. Part of Madoka's symbolism is that of the typical normal white bread girl next door. And the truth of the matter, no matter how much we may object to it, is that in America white bread means white. To fully use the same symbolism in America, Madoka would have to be the generic blonde haired blue eyed white girl. (All visual characteristics associated with purity and innocence in American media). Might as well change her name to Mary while we are at it.

Homura however, in both of her persona, actually goes very well with the American image of a Japanese/Asian girl. Thus I expect Homura would be left unchanged.

Mami of course being blonde and upper class would work very well with being white.

Hitomi is also upper class, but being a less important character it really doesn't matter that much what her race is.

Kyōko would be fun to keep as a redhead, but I think it might fit best to make her Black. It's obvious Kyoko comes from a family with a lower economic status, but in a very faithful and religious community that takes religious doctrine seriously. It fits with her background I think. Plus I think it would be more powerful for Kyoko to come from a different race than Sayaka. I think Madeline (with Maggie for short) would be the most fitting name for her.

That would leave Sayaka open to take the redhead slot- fitting with her personality and joining a long tradition of tomboy heroines. I think Deborah (Debbie) would be a good name for her.

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At first I thought it would be nice to organize it into four short movies. Subtitled Mami, Sayaka, Kyoko, and Homura.

But after thinking about it I just can't see a way to effectively complete Sayaka's story without flowing into Kyoko's. So I think three movies would be best: Mami, Sayaka, and Homura.

1: Mami's movie I'm thinking would be around 100 minutes long, covering the events from episode 1 to the late-middle of episode 4 (ending about where Sayaka is tempted by Kyubee while at the hospital). With an expansion around the following areas:

A: Add more to the background of Mami and let us know more about her.
B: As part of this add some further confrontations between Mami and Homura, more fully developing this aspect of the series. Make sure to add some scenes that will take on new meaning (preferably tragic) once it is revealed about Homura's nature and her past dealings with Mami.
C: Add in the fact that Mami knows Kyoko and that they are on semi-friendly terms (if possibly in disagreement about some matters). A possible way to bring this about would be to have Homura warn Mami about Walpurgis Night during one of their confrontations, and for Mami to write Kyoko about it asking for her help. (Which of course would be the main reason Homura warns Mami, is because Homura wants Kyoko around to help out in fighting it- although we won't realize this until later). This would also make it more poignant that Sayaka (who idolizes Mami) is fighting Kyoko who only showed up because Mami wrote her.
D: A minor note, but add a little scene to hint that Hitomi has feelings for Kyōsuke, but is restraining herself because of Sayaka's affections. It's be better if that didn't come out of nowhere.

2: Sayaka's movie would tell both her story and Kyoko's and be around 120 to 130 minutes long. Covering events from the end of episode 4 through the end of episode 9. Expansion would be about:

A: Kyoko and Mami's backstory together.
B: Spend a little bit more time developing Sayaka's despair
C: A few more details about Homura and Kyoko's conversations, perhaps connected to Mami as well. I could see a scene where Kyoko wants to know who trained Homura (refusing to believe she didn't have a mentor) and Homura finally fingering Mami. If Mami in the previous movie had told Madoka and Sayaka that she didn't know Homura it would leave the audience in a state of speculation about why Homura claims to have been trained by Mami.
D: Just a small expansion on why Kyoko's father went mad and committed suicide. (Everyone always did what he said, every time he spoke people were deprived of their free will, he came to think that the devil was inside him and the only way to escape was death.)

3: Homura's movie would be around 100 minutes long, covering episodes 10 to 12, with a major expansion of Homura's Backstory (doubling at least), and showing more of the alternate timelines.

[bhl88]

I'd object usually but since nothing much is changed... I'll wait for the actual :p.

Can't think of any other medium with most/all of its foreign elements remaining.

[Triple_R]

*Snipped a lot for space*

At first I thought it would be nice to organize it into four short movies. Subtitled Mami, Sayaka, Kyoko, and Homura.

But after thinking about it I just can't see a way to effectively complete Sayaka's story without flowing into Kyoko's. So I think three movies would be best: Mami, Sayaka, and Homura.


Well, those are very interesting and pretty good ideas you have. I think you're more or less right about the ways Madoka Magica would change in order to work as a Hollywood movie.

However, what I meant by Madoka Magica maybe getting a live-action movie is more like the Japanese Death Note live-action movie.

You are right though that on the special effects side of things at least, Hollywood would be the better route. I'm not sure if Gen, or even Shinbo, would be comfortable with that level of American localization though.

But hey, let's take this even further just for fun. ;)


Make Kamijo ("Kent") a budding football Quarterback star that people expect to be the next Peyton Manning and have Sayaka ("Debbie") be a huge football fan. Kent's throwing hand gets viciously injured in a big high school tournament game, to the point that his career is over. All those NFL and College football scouts stop paying attention to him as they write him off, and the young man is thoroughly devastated as is his family.

Debbie brings videos of her and Kent's favorite NFL games to his hospital bedside to try to cheer him up, but all it does is enrage him as he can't play football as a Quarterback anymore.

Once Debbie makes her wish with Kyubey (oh, how appropriate he's called QB ;) :p ), we see Kent arise victorious unto the field, as sports reporters flock around him about this miraculous comeback kid who NFL scouts are once again paying big attention to. We see Debbie cheer Kent on enthusiastically as he dominates his first big game back.

Alas, in the swirl of media attention, Kent starts to forget about Debbie and celebrity gossip hints at a relationship between him and the wealthy Hitomi ("Heather", maybe), who just happens to be the daughter of a NFL sports team owner. Heather never thought of Kent that way before, but the idea of dating him appeals to her now that she thinks of it (thanks to those tabloids), and she lets Debbie in on her plans to confess to Kent.


Maggie ("Kyoko") resents the frequently racist overtones of American football (as she sees it, at least; maybe have her reference what Rush Limbaugh once said about Donovan McNabb). This gives her added reason for hating Kent, not getting along with Debbie, and disagreeing with Debbie's sacrificial wish for him and his throwing hand.

After Debbie witchifies, her witch's realm is a giant football field, with all the pomp and circumstance of a Superbowl game surrounding it. "Octavia" remains the same in appearance, and the water theme of her name/appearance is due to Debbie being a Miami Dolphins fan.

Oh, and that final scene between Madoka and Sayaka in Episode 12? This time Mary and Debbie watch on from the stands as Kent leads the Miami Dolphins to the 2020 Superbowl Championship. Maybe have a couple sports commentators (real life ones, making cameo appearances in the movie) talk about how great it is that Kent's hand was miraculously healed as otherwise America would have been deprived of one of the 10 best Quarterbacks of all-time.

Given how much America loves football, I can see this really hitting quite the chord with American movie-going audiences.

What do you think?


As it pertains to the Madoka Magica Hollywood trilogy, I think people would probably want semi-happy ends for the movies (or at least the first one).

So Movie 1 (the Mami movie) should probably end on the note of Debbie making her wish and saving her best friend Mary (Madoka) from getting killed by the witch of Episode 4. We see Homura watch on ominously after the rescue is completed. This is the perfect way to give Movie 1 a semi-happy end but also a cliffhanger feel to feed into Movie 2.

On Movies 2 and 3, I agree with you.


I have my doubts that Madoka Magica ever gets popular enough in the west to warrant a Hollywood movie, but it is fun to speculate about. :)

[Guernsey]

^ That sounds like an idea of a butchered live action Madoka movie to me. :heh:

[bhl88]

I wonder how many would watch the butchered movie though. I'd rather not give Hollywood more ideas.

[Lord of Fire]

I wonder how many would watch the butchered movie though. I'd rather not give Hollywood more ideas.

I know I would be quite hesitant to anything Hollywood touches that hasn't shown to be utterly lacking in plot, characters, etc. thusfar.

And given that they're never satisfied (judging by the many remakes of the same movie [like The Thing and War of the Worlds], or the many reboots of a popular franchise [Batman]), even if they would do it, I wouldn't at all be surprised if they completely mess it up the first time.

Truth be told, they'd have to change a lot of the story to make it work, but I don't think it's impossible, either. Hollywood is not completely devoid of good script writers, it's just a matter of finding them and the right actors for the job.

[zato_1one]

OMG, I don't want to see another huge fail like Hollywood Dragon Ball ever again. :uhoh:

[Guernsey]

OMG, I don't want to see another huge fail like Hollywood Dragon Ball ever again. :uhoh:

:nod: Amen. Until I see Hollywood improve, I won't trust them at all.

[Sackett]

Ugh...

Why are you giving them ideas?

I would oppose those changes because they would distract from the real story. The changes I suggested for localization are all so that the actual story (which is timeless and speaks to all cultures) comes through; instead of American audiences being distracted by the "foreign" aspects such as strange names.

Kamijo isn't important from a storytelling aspect except as a symbol of temptation and loss for Sayaka. Which is why he disappears from the story once Sayaka is broken,

Does Kamijo (aka Kent) have to be a violin player? No. But he does have to be a balanced (idealized) male figure. He can't be masculine dominant (which making him a football player would do without a bunch of time wasted on characterization with him petting kittens and playing with puppies). Making him an artistic or bookish type is the easiest way to do it. Additionally the plot requires it to be something that he can be crippled in, but in a way that won't make him an invalid for the rest of his life. He must be primarily crippled in soul. Which leads to violinist as the most plausible aspect to match the needs of plot, characterization, and symbolism with the minimum time spent on him.

Sigh...

Although I guess it could work... maybe... if you had a very emotive actor who could pull off Kent as a sincere Tebow type character. :p

[Triple_R]

Ugh...

Why are you giving them ideas?

I was half-joking. I did say I was writing that "just for fun".

That being said, I find the idea of a Hollywood movie version of Madoka pretty hard to swallow without some substantial changes, or the Madoka anime becoming way more popular in North America than I currently expect it to become.

Magical girls aren't outside the American experience, but I see no reason to think they can carry a Hollywood movie on their own. How many Hollywood movies involve magical girls in all the key roles?

Your ideas are interesting, and they were a good start, but I really doubt they'd be enough for a truly commercially successful Hollywood movie (and they need to be commercially successful if you're going with a trilogy).




I would oppose those changes because they would distract from the real story.

Not in a trilogy, they wouldn't. They'd be after-thoughts in the final movie, and would only be front and center during the Sayaka-focused movie.


Kamijo isn't important from a storytelling aspect except as a symbol of temptation and loss for Sayaka. Which is why he disappears from the story once Sayaka is broken,

That's actually part of the problem. More on that in a sec.




Does Kamijo (aka Kent) have to be a violin player? No. But he does have to be a balanced (idealized) male figure.

An idealized male figure? Based on what I've read on this site and elsewhere, Kamijo was one of the least liked characters in Madoka Magica. If he remains unchanged for a Hollywood movie version of him, that'll almost certainly remain the same for American-watching audiences.


You can be sure that Hollywood Movie execs who hear that your only two human male characters of note are:

1) A stay-at-home father with virtually no presence whatsoever after the quarter-point of the first movie, and...

2) A violin-playing secondary cast character with very little screen-time

Are going to be horrified at the prospect of entirely failing to appeal to a mainstream American male demographic.

Hollywood action-movies with female leads have a very mixed record commercially as it is (I'm not saying I like that, but it is a fact of the matter). Having one with no strong major male character whatsoever in it is almost a certain recipe for financial disaster.

So how do you get around this problem? Make Kamijo/"Kent" a strong and important character in his own right is probably the best way, as then you don't have to bring in brand new important characters.

Having Kamijo/Kent be a character that would more directly and easily appeal to mainstream American male audiences would not only help, it would probably be downright necessary.


I was half-joking in the sense I was playing around with the idea, mostly (I doubt we'll ever see a Hollywood movie version of Madoka Magica, and maybe that's for the best). But in all seriousness, your changes would not be enough to make a commercially successful Hollywood version of Madoka Magica.

As for who I'd cast as Kent, that's easy: Tom Welling.

Now you have the Smallville/Superman fanbase supporting the film. It's likely not that hard for male comic book fans to transition to a Magical Girl movie, but you probably will need to give them a reason to.

[kitten320]

Is it true that first 2 movies will be just a recap?

[bhl88]

Yep. Plus drama CDs and other stuff like onsen :p

Yeah I like the idea of this. I wanna hear Kyoko shout Rosso Phantasma.

[BaKaBaKaOtaKu]

No Hollywood Live-action for madoka, it sure would suck, this happening i mean!! Enough with the butchering..

[bhl88]

Yes, that would be enough. The only medium with most of its elements intact to be butchered by Hollywood? I'd vomit first :p

[Hasumi]

Just ran into this now, the first thing that came into my mind was Rebuild of Evangelion, I guess I was right. :heh:

[Shadow5YA]

I won't expect the movies to cover the story as well as a 12 episode TV season would, but I am expecting better and higher budget action scenes.

[Guernsey]

End of Madoka, now with three times the trolling, three times the mind screw and plenty of 'u suck lol' for the otaku.

[Riga92]

I've thought about it for a little bit and I think in order for the first two recap movies to match the quality of the TV series, they have to do a couple of changes.

I think the first recap movies will cover episodes 1-9 of the TV series, however they will have to remake episodes 1-3's content, as the plot of Madoka doesn't actually kick off till episode 3. If they can shorten but still retain the important content of 1-3, this allows them to focus on Sayaka's arc much better, and also allows them to go more into detail about Kyouko's (and also Mami's) past. The only downside to this is that its actually cutting more screentime from Mami in the beginning, but to be honest, Mami's role in the story is more of a supporting character than a main character. This should be mitigated if they expand on Kyouko and Mami's past from Drama CD 3, which hopefully they will.

Then the 2nd recap movie will cover episodes 10-12, and this allows them to go into much more detail on Homura's past timelines of episode 10. I expect they will include Drama CD 1 content, and possibly more details on past timelines, or maybe introduce even unseen timelines. Either way, this allows for more development on Homura's part, and can also expand on Homura and Madoka's relationship in TL1. Episodes 11-12 don't need changes in content, so all I expect is redone scenes and maybe a flashier Walpurgisnacht battle, which I don't think anyone would mind.

[Jimmy C]

Trouble is, that makes the second movie awfully short. Those 3 eps by themselves are just one hour of content. Putting in Drama CD 3 barely pushes it to 90 minutes.

[zato_1one]

Trouble is, that makes the second movie awfully short. Those 3 eps by themselves are just one hour of content. Putting in Drama CD 3 barely pushes it to 90 minutes.

Don't worry because the original script in episode 10 is about 45 min long.

[bhl88]

They can increase recap to 1 hr, witch battles to 10 mins and Walpurgis battle to another hr xD

[Hasumi]

I approve of the hour-long Walpurgis battle. :heh:

[Lord of Fire]

I approve of the hour-long Walpurgis battle. :heh:

Ditto.

More Homura epicness is always welcome. :)

[AuraTwilight]

If there's one thing I learned from Michael Bay movies, it's that even awesome action sequences can become boring if they go on too long.

[Aurine]

I approve of the hour-long Walpurgis battle. :heh:

Definitely approved,

HomuHomu be Epic

[bhl88]

If there's one thing I learned from Michael Bay movies, it's that even awesome action sequences can become boring if they go on too long.

What's the optimum time for maximum epicness?

[Jimmy C]

I would put it at no more than 20% of the movie's total length. You need other things to happen as well to make a complete experience after all.
Also, the longer the battle sequence, the more likely the creators will try to use shortcuts or padding, and the more likely the audience will spot them.

[Guernsey]

Yeah, they could show more with what Homura did to defeat Walpurgis but at same time they need to expand on the ending. The ending needs to be more fantastic, that is a given.

[bhl88]

Ex:
Homura can expand by using tanks, F-35 Lightning II (Japan purchased em this year or she can steal em with Za Warudo), C4s, a industrial made bomb made out of missiles, SHAFT missiles, HEAT ammo, a truck packed with C4s, a motorcycle packed with C4s, a magnetic crane with a car (packed with C4s), a car packed with C4s (and will probably drive them all at the same time XD), mortars, RPGS and AT-4s (she'd probably use everything Japan has XD)

[Solace]

So basically Homura is the Mask?

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[Lord of Fire]

So basically Homura is the Mask?

Homura's weapons are real and very deadly, though.

Then again, with that mask, she could literally turn anything into a lethal weapon,
including balloons (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RJGaYLhgWLs#t=82s).

[KyriaL]

I approve of the hour-long Walpurgis battle. :heh:

It will be enjoyable, no doubt. But its hard to see what can they think of to add to the battle until it fits an hour, or close. How many hits or wounds will Homura need to suffer until the audience finally concedes it is enough? Personal opinion, a solid twenty-minute battle should do the trick! Or perhaps even shorter.

[ThereminVox]

It will be enjoyable, no doubt. But its hard to see what can they think of to add to the battle until it fits an hour, or close. How many hits or wounds will Homura need to suffer until the audience finally concedes it is enough? Personal opinion, a solid twenty-minute battle should do the trick! Or perhaps even shorter.

Oddly enough, I kind of felt that it was actually the end of the WN battle that could have used just a bit more time. I think Homura earned another minute or so to wallow in the utter unfairness of it all, and how all the suffering had been for nothing before cutting to the hope spot.

But on-topic, they sure have one hell of a battle scene to live up to. I recently did a re-watch, and that last battle really was something else. The precision and skill that Homura shows is awesome, but also really depressing because it drives home how many times she's done this to get it down to such an exact science.

[Aurine]

Oddly enough, I kind of felt that it was actually the end of the WN battle that could have used just a bit more time. I think Homura earned another minute or so to wallow in the utter unfairness of it all, and how all the suffering had been for nothing before cutting to the hope spot.

But on-topic, they sure have one hell of a battle scene to live up to. I recently did a re-watch, and that last battle really was something else. The precision and skill that Homura shows is awesome, but also really depressing because it drives home how many times she's done this to get it down to such an exact science.

Not too odd I guess

Personally I felt that both WN battle and the end of the battle is quite... short, it's sure a bit tearjerker but.. short

[BaKaBaKaOtaKu]

the last movie must have a yuri kiss dammit!! Or not just a kiss but kisses..-shot-

[bhl88]

Kyoko steals Kyousuke and kisses him.

Sayaka: DAMN YOU!!
Kyoko: :p

[KyriaL]

the last movie must have a yuri kiss dammit!! Or not just a kiss but kisses..-shot-

However appealing it is to fans ( me included ). That would be a bad idea, how then will the general public view it? And this might be the first Anime I might be introducing to my mom, I do hope it ain't anything that would freak her out and make her go against me watching animes.

[Cosmic Eagle]

I wonder if SHAFT will pull something dramatically different for the films...it's SHAFT after all...

[Hasumi]

^ I sure hope so...for their sake. :heh:

[Witched]

I approve of having a Walpurgisnacht battle.
But they should actually give everyone a chance to shine, including the Oriko cast, to actually fight it.

Oriko is hunting Madoka down due to the fact that she's going to become Kriemhild Gretchen.
The only way to prevent that is killing Oriko/Kirika afterwards. =3=

[bhl88]

Time stop and shoot both of them at the back of their heads while Oriko holds a pipe bomb.

[Witched]

Time stop and shoot both of them at the back of their heads while Oriko holds a pipe bomb.

:heh: Homura can almost do everything.

If Movie 1/2 had something with Homura's perspective of time traveling, maybe they should definitely involve Oriko Magica because it was one of the timelines she experienced.

Then again, having scenes from the Drama CDs would be awesome. ;)

[bhl88]

:heh: Homura can almost do everything.

If Movie 1/2 had something with Homura's perspective of time traveling, maybe they should definitely involve Oriko Magica because it was one of the timelines she experienced.

Then again, having scenes from the Drama CDs would be awesome. ;)

lol hopefully there's one (or not) doujinshi out there where Homura uses time stop to do ( H things to Madoka XD)

[KyriaL]

There should be enough potential to dedicate one full movie to Homura's Adventures as a Time Traveler! Including the Orika Arc of course, in addition to many other possible scenarios.

[BaKaBaKaOtaKu]

However appealing it is to fans ( me included ). That would be a bad idea, how then will the general public view it? And this might be the first Anime I might be introducing to my mom, I do hope it ain't anything that would freak her out and make her go against me watching animes.

maybe shaft just make it not that obvious?? LOL. i wonder how's that possible? or perhaps it'd be a bluray only scene XDD

[Akashin]

Where exactly would this kiss scene of your's fit in, anyway? Unless it's some kind of deleted scene from an alternate timeline, there's really nowhere in the main series for a scene like that to take place (unless you want to amp up the interaction between Madoka and Homura at the very end, I guess...).

Eh, this is a series where any yuri implications are probably best left at subtext (however obvious that subtext might be), I think.

[BaKaBaKaOtaKu]

yeah..subtext that is borderline canon..

and yes, prolly a deleted scene from one of those timelines (you see, there was this doujin i read where in homura kissed madoka whilst she's already dead Dx)

[Azuma Denton]

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I will gladly see if they provide us with a trailer...

[totoum]

I will gladly see if they provide us with a trailer...

Trailer?I doubt SHAFT has even begun animating this so if there's a trailer I don't think it'll have new footage.

[Cosmic Eagle]

:heh: Homura can almost do everything.

If Movie 1/2 had something with Homura's perspective of time traveling, maybe they should definitely involve Oriko Magica because it was one of the timelines she experienced.

Then again, having scenes from the Drama CDs would be awesome. ;)

Then again...how many timelines does Oriko and Kirika exist in?

[blakstealth]

Trailer?I doubt SHAFT has even begun animating this so if there's a trailer I don't think it'll have new footage.It will be a slideshow trailer.

[Akashin]

Then again...how many timelines does Oriko and Kirika exist in?

Logically speaking, shouldn't they exist in all of them? This was my main problem with Oriko Magica; that was never made clear.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Logically speaking, shouldn't they exist in all of them? This was my main problem with Oriko Magica; that was never made clear.

Indeed so....Even if Homu did go about assassinating them, there's practically nigh infinite possibilities, and even just one where they lived to do something would have quite significant impact.

That's why I hope the movie would cover them again

[Solace]

Logically speaking, shouldn't they exist in all of them? This was my main problem with Oriko Magica; that was never made clear.

It depends on how they want to spin it. The universes do show differences, and not just because of Homura's interference, so it's possible to explain away Oriko by claiming those characters only existed in that universe because of a chain of events that didn't happen in other universes.

In other words, a wizard did it.

[GDB]

What differences? The only ones I'm aware of occur during the 1-month repetition. Now, if you want to say it's a spin-off and has no bearing on the actual canon, then sure, but what was shown in the series itself to have changed outside of the 1-month loop?

[totoum]

What differences? The only ones I'm aware of occur during the 1-month repetition. Now, if you want to say it's a spin-off and has no bearing on the actual canon, then sure, but what was shown in the series itself to have changed outside of the 1-month loop?

I think I've heard there were version of the script where Kamijou played instruments other than the violon depending on the timeline but that got cut because of lack of time.

[AuraTwilight]

Wasn't one of the taglines for Oriko Magica "A time that shouldn't of existed" or something like that?

[Cosmic Eagle]

Wasn't one of the taglines for Oriko Magica "A time that shouldn't of existed" or something like that?

Where you got this from?

[AuraTwilight]

I actually can't recall, I've been looking for it since I made the post, but it sticks out in my memory. I threw it out incase anyone else could recall anything even VAGUELY similar.

EDIT: Found what I think might have caused it.

Official synopsis

Volume 1:

Introducing a spin-off comic from the big-hit original TV anime "Puella Magi Madoka Magica" with a whole new story!
Kyoko Sakura, who spends all her time fighting in isolation, Mami Tomoe, who protects Mitakihara Town with a heart of justice and Homura Akemi, who silently approaches Madoka Kaname.
A story revolving around each Puella Magi's battles that weren't meant to cross, centering in an event called "Puella Magi Hunting".
Which would be, an incident that would change the fate of the girls completely.
Which would be, the beginning of a new Puella Magi story...

Volume 2:

Kyoko Sakura who searches for a fated white Puella Magi; Mami Tomoe, who confronts the culpit of the "Puella Magi Hunting", a black Puella Magi; and Homura Akemi, who does nothing but protect Madoka Kaname's peace. The path of those three magical girls weren't supposed to cross. A story where their existence is tested. The story of a passed time line. This is the concluding volume of the spin-off comic made for the big-hit TV anime, "Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica".

[zeniselv]

its possible that since kirika and oriko were after madoka, homura took care of them every time nefore they could act,yuma migth have been killed or stopped from becoming a MS.

[NTFTH]

^ that still leaves what happened to them post retcon open though. I just can't see Madoka not retconing them back to life if Homura killed them in the final timeline.

[zeniselv]

well 2 things come to my mind.
1. madoka rewrited the universe, but i dont see why she would go the extra mile to save someone not close to her, she wasnt even able to sayaka.

2.in the last timeline madoka dont exist, so theres no reason for homura to eliminate them,and homura isnt the philanthropist that is gonna hunt kirika for justice.

[AuraTwilight]

Well, she MIGHT, given that Homura is going to "fight to protect the world that Madoka loved."

[blakstealth]

According to Chunichi Newspaper, the first movie of Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica will be premiered in autumn. In the article, director Shinbo Akiyuki said he was worried that anime has been out of mainstream entertainment and hoped Madoka will attract the attention of the general public.

http://i546.photobucket.com/albums/hh419/dtshyk/46dbedc6.jpg

[Cosmic Eagle]

Oh I sure hope the movie will raise anime's profile again...

[Clarami]

I hope the movies do well so we can get a second season or more of them. Come on Madoka fans let's do our part, and give our unending support to this amazing series.

[Snork]

In the article, director Shinbo Akiyuki said he was worried that anime has been out of mainstream entertainment and hoped Madoka will attract the attention of the general public.

Oh, come on. The anime's established fandom is buzzing, plus the immortally memetic QB, plus the new games being released. Plus (pardon my IMHO) there was not THAT much to watch last year, and not THAT much so far either. Madoka is sure to attract attention, if even by the constant popping of champagne bottle corks the fandom will be shooting in the autumn.
I said autumn, but let's hope Shaft doesn't push it back a lot. :heh:

[Kazu-kun]

Oh, come on. The anime's established fandom is buzzing, plus the immortally memetic QB, plus the new games being released. Plus (pardon my IMHO) there was not THAT much to watch last year, and not THAT much so far either. Madoka is sure to attract attention.

You're talking about Otaku popularity, whereas Shinbo is hoping the movie will attract the general public, which is a totally different demographic.

[blakstealth]

All it needs is some explosions, nice cars, and lotta wideface moe to become mainstream.

[Kazu-kun]

All it needs is some explosions, nice cars,

This works for mainstream just fine.

and lotta wideface moe to become mainstream.

This, not so much.

[dr_marronflower]

You're talking about Otaku popularity, whereas Shinbo is hoping the movie will attract the general public, which is a totally different demographic.

But... but... the otakus are the ones who spends money buying merchandise...

[Kazu-kun]

But... but... the otakus are the ones who spends money buying merchandise...

I'm not arguing that. I'm just clarifying that Shinbo wants to attract a wider demographic. That's all.

[Guernsey]

Well Shinbo is gonna have his work cutout for him, I am not sure about Japan but I know if he is gonna to a wider audience he is gonna have to somehting huge. Sadly, the mahou shoujo has been aimed at girls since Sailor Moon, it is not as though everyone is gonna consider watching as it sound like "a show for girls".

[zeniselv]

^you are quite wrong at that, actually sailor moon was a hit in japan and overseas with a male and female viewers, and its not the only one, take a look at card captor sakura, now there are some even aimed at male fans like nanoha or illvia prism, but i do agree that madoka have this problem, but this is mainly for the designs wich hardly appeal to a wide audience.

[sa547]

Stop Press:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-03-16/1st-madoka-magica-film-aimed-for-fall

[Clarami]

Can't wait...This is going to be awesome, Madoka ftw :)!!

[KyriaL]

I hope the movies do well so we can get a second season or more of them. Come on Madoka fans let's do our part, and give our unending support to this amazing series.

As a personal opinion, I feel that a second season might ruin the show as a whole. As the story was already well scripted out for the first season. If they do start a second season, where will it go from there? Movies are probably the best way to 'extend' the series.

[Triple_R]

I'd say that there's a good chance that the spin-off mangas get adapted into anime shows. That's an easier route to take than a 2nd season (as much as I can understand Deikan's desire for a 2nd season), and I think it would give us at least some more content of the main cast of PMMM.

[Hasumi]

Wait wait, so the first film is a re-telling?

[totoum]

Wait wait, so the first film is a re-telling?


Yes (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3847667#post3847667) where have you been the past four months? :p

[Hasumi]

Yes (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3847667#post3847667) where have you been the past four months? :p

Oh right, first two films are a remake. :eyespin:

[Metaler]

You're talking about Otaku popularity, whereas Shinbo is hoping the movie will attract the general public, which is a totally different demographic.

Then they're gonna have to change the series completely, I'm afraid. =/

[bhl88]

Then they're gonna have to change the series completely, I'm afraid. =/

From ANN forum:
...He was talking about anime in general being out of mainstream entertainment (as opposed to saying "the anime," which would be refering directly to Madoka). Shinbo, Urobuchi, Iwakawa, and the lot of them were surprised when Madoka became a phenomenon that pulled in viewers outside of the usual anime fandom. It bypassed niche entertainment barriers and moved people who had little to no interest in anime outside the usual Ghibli stuff to tears. Shinbo has had the hope ever since then that Madoka could be a gateway into bringing anime in general back into the mainstream it was before it became "niche" and specialized. It was an unexpected development, but he has been inspired by it ever since.

[Sol Falling]

lol, indeed. I dunno where some people are coming from thinking that Madoka hasn't had mainstream appeal. It's precisely Madoka's mainstream appeal which made it the subject of all those awards, magazine articles, and critical accolades it recieved during/after its airing last year.

However, despite that, it is still true that Madoka might not be as mainstream as a franchise as, for example, K-on. And certainly neither compare with works by Studio Ghibli.

As a matter of otaku appeal versus mainstream, I think we can set up a sort of scale where we've got:

- K-on: massive mainstream success, strong otaku appeal
- Madoka: very strong mainstream success, very strong otaku appeal
- Bakemonogatari: decent mainstream success, incredible otaku appeal

And this is reflected in the sales numbers. Out of the three franchises, Bakemonogatari has the most otaku appeal and that is why it stands on top as a matter of sales numbers. However, all three represent some widespread combination of both strong mainstream and otaku appeal, which explains why SHAFT and Kyoani were named as the two top candidates who might succeed Ghibli as leaders of the anime industry (in the unfortunate scenario where Ghibli's succession issues force it to step down).

However, I think what the sales/otaku appeal correlation I showed with Bakemonogatari above is that Madoka's impressive critical awards and strong sales performance don't necessarily equate just yet to dominating presence in the mainstream. Although I don't want to focus on a direct comparison, with regards to K-on (which itself is a very popular otaku franchise) key landmarks of its mainstream popularity (like the fact that it's fanbase/audience is actually ~60% female (compared to I think ~30% for Madoka), or the fact that K-on is aired on the Disney Channel during daytime television) reinforce that Madoka is not really so mainstream a property as it could potentially be.

I think that one factor which reflects interestingly on this situation is that despite being an Urobochi Gen work, Madoka famously overthrows some of the characteristics that Urobochi Gen is most famous for--the "bad ending" whereby a protagonist sinks into personal/subjective happiness at the expense of the greater good of the universe/community, for example. Urobochi Gen, as a writer coming from a background of ero/Visual Novel works in collaboration with Nitroplus or the Fate franchise, obviously, has/had a very firm background in otaku-oriented works and I think was certainly an enormous contributor to attracting the type of audience for Madoka which would propel it to such a success in terms of its BD sales ranking. However, what actually makes Madoka notable from a critical and mainstream perspective is precisely that Urobochi subverted and threw off that otaku-oriented stigma/expectation, and created story appropriate for non-otaku. Urobochi said from the beginning of Madoka "I am writing a heartwarming story", and although this was in part meant to camouflage the expectation that, true to his reputation, he would throw his characters into a grinder of despair and suffering, in the end he lived up to his word through an ending which celebrated hope, empathy, and self-sacrifice (as well as the foundations of the mahou shoujo genre itself).

So that is to say, what Urobochi Gen has actually written is a mainstream story, but because what he is/was famous for was otaku appeal, the response to Madoka has been unusually characterized by a strong otaku (BD and merchandise sales) and critical (awards, etc. from anime industry watchers) reception, but untapped mainstream potential. Well, in the first place Madoka only airing during late night (i.e. after 12:00 am) timeslots and via NicoNico streaming is one of the contributors to this situation.

This is why, Madoka being released as a box office production is one of the major things which can be done to expand Madoka's audience. Madoka is a mainstream show, but it has not been given a chance yet to reach a mainstream audience. Shinbo talking about pushing Madoka to expand the mainstream anime audience reflects exactly, I think, this untapped potential. I'm really excited that Shinbo/Gen recognize this and are developing the franchise in that direction.

[ultimatemegax]

Today at ACE, it was announced that the two Madoka Magica recap movies will begin showing this autumn (likely simultaneously). The titles are The Story's Beginning/Eternal Story (Japanese:始まりの物語/永遠の物語)

Yaraon post (http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-8519.html)

There's a list of theatres in the blog post; I count 16 thus far and it'll likely grow by the time these run.

[sa547]

Ditto here:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-03-31/2012-madoka-magica-film-2-parts-titled

Seems that it confirmed the predictions of some guys here, that parts of it will be recaps. Not surprisingly, I'm hearing grumbles.

[Solace]

Grumbles, why? It was announced months ago that the first two films would be an abridged version of the series. The third film is the direct sequel to the anime.

[sa547]

Grumbles, why?

The posters at ANN; they think it's a remake of Death and Rebirth.

[Cloudy]

They should have go straight and produce the sequel movie without producing the recap movies. This would not only save money for an epic sequel but also not delaying the fans' desire for the sequel.

[Kimidori]

They should have go straight and produce the sequel movie without producing the recap movies. This would not only save money for an epic sequel but also not delaying the fans' desire for the sequel.

i think Shinbo produce 2 recap movie because he hope those movie will attract the general public.

[Snork]

Beginning story sounds like it will actually be based on what we saw in ep 10.
About the simultaneous run of both movies - is it official or only a guess for now? Granted, tickets WERE sold for both movies at once somewhere...

[MartianMage]

They should have go straight and produce the sequel movie without producing the recap movies. This would not only save money for an epic sequel but also not delaying the fans' desire for the sequel.

Save money? Lolwhut... Are you somehow implying that these recaps won't give Magica Quartet profits?

[Snork]

Besides, I believe Aniplex will dish out big bucks for the whole three budgets, anyway. :cool:

[MartianMage]

Well it's pretty certain that they will make a profit out of it anyway. You know just because you've watched it during the initial airing doesn't mean you're not gonna rewatch it on bluray and it's very own theatrical release. I'm sure as hell I will. Also it's not like everyone has already watched it and bringing Madoka to the big screen makes it even more accessible for everyone.

[Snork]

Many PMMM fans would have watched even a simple recap for the sake of it. And we're speaking new content here. Remember all those talks about "I wish Shaft would make unabridged ep 10 into an OVA or movie"? All the signs show that we're close to just that. :)

Also it's not like everyone has already watched it and bringing Madoka to the big screen makes it even more accessible for everyone.

Hopefully the new audience have miraculously evaded the webstorm of spoilers so far. Especially concerning Mami, who seems to be akin to Aerith in that aspect - you have good odds of knowing her fate even if you've barely HEARD of the source itself. :heh:

[blakstealth]

Both recaps in one year?! Awesome news.

[Dark Wing]

People will complain but we all know they'll watch it in the end. I know I'm watching it to see what alterations if any will be made to the story.

[Hasumi]

People will complain but we all know they'll watch it in the end. I know I'm watching it to see what alterations if any will be made to the story.

Exactly, and it'll probably look more fabulous in movie format.

[Triple_R]

People will complain but we all know they'll watch it in the end. I know I'm watching it to see what alterations if any will be made to the story.

I can only speak for myself, of course, but I'll probably end up spoiling myself on any such alterations.

You have to keep in mind that an anime movie released in Japan typically takes a long time to be subbed and available for English audiences in good visual quality (I have no intention of watching some low-grade camrip). The likelihood of me resisting the urge to spoil myself before I can watch the movie for myself is pretty low. :heh:

If the changes I get spoiled on are significant, I'll probably watch the recap movies.

Otherwise, I'll probably skip them, truth be told.


The main thing to me is that the third movie is totally new content. If the three movies were all nothing but recap, I'd be pretty disappointed myself. But thankfully, it's more than that. :) So I don't think people should grumble much here. It's a better fate than what Nanoha fans have had with the Nanoha movies, imo. :heh:

[Snork]

(I have no intention of watching some low-grade camrip)

I dumped Rebuild of Evangelion due to that factor a long time ago, but then again, I was never a huge Evangelion fan. With Madoka... I'm afraid I might be willing to see even a mobile phone-shot footage if it pops up. :heh:

The main thing to me is that the third movie is totally new content.

True, but I also have hopes of seeing some new content in the recaps. :)

It's a better fate than what Nanoha fans have had with the Nanoha movies, imo.

Indeed, I'd much prefer ViviD and Force adaptations over any movie. :sad:

[BaKaBaKaOtaKu]

Madoka Magica 1st Film Poster


http://i50.tinypic.com/rbzk3p.jpg

[Snork]

I wonder if we're getting a trailer anytime soon...

[Animexcel]

That would be badass if we did get a trailer. Just a few months away, right?

[Snork]

Let's just hope the trailer won't be like those first CMs back in late 2010. :heh:

[totoum]

That would be badass if we did get a trailer. Just a few months away, right?

Has shaft even started production on it?

[Jimmy C]

Since the release is only six months away at best, they had better have!
I've found it interesting that the Madoka movies have a concrete release but that other SHAFT movie is still unheard of.

[SonozakiUshiromiya]

Anyone want to speculate how the plot will lay out? I'm thinking the first should focus on eps 1-9, the second eps 10-12, and the third will go in depth about Madoka's new world. I'd like more characterization focus in general, especially with side characters like Kamijou and Hitomi. Less focus on events shown in anime, even big ones like Sayaka vs Elsa Maria, expand on things like Homura's family situation(that bugged me) and that Sayaka should have parent(s) who presumbly would notice she was missing at the very least around the same time Madoka and co did. And for the sequel(if it does focus on the post-Godoka world), I'd like it to focus on a new cast(all new MGs or characters from the manga spinoffs, for example Yuma from Oriko Magica or the Pleaides from Kazumi Magica).

Qucik question that's possibly unrelated: Anyone remember Sayaka's funeral being shown? I keep hearing it happened in ep11, but I don't remember it in the slightest. I know she did have one(I remember Junko mentioning Madoka's pain during Sayaka's funeral to keep her from going out,), but I didn't remember it actually being shown. It is just me? Was there such a scene in the anime(I know there was in the PSP game.)?

[GDB]

Qucik question that's possibly unrelated: Anyone remember Sayaka's funeral being shown? I keep hearing it happened in ep11, but I don't remember it in the slightest. I know she did have one(I remember Junko mentioning Madoka's pain during Sayaka's funeral to keep her from going out,), but I didn't remember it actually being shown. It is just me? Was there such a scene in the anime(I know there was in the PSP game.)?

Yes, it's in episode 11. Right after the OP, at about 3:45.

[Cosmic Eagle]

To add it's the one with all the black silhouettes

[Hasumi]

Sayaka had a funeral!? How do I not remember any of this. :eek: