Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai - Episode 7 Discussion / Poll

[Kairin]

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[Sumeragi]

*Licks lips*

The series has been getting more and more delicious. Can't wait!

[Wilfriback]

I found this epsiode better than the previous, poor Maria, that must be some kind of torture for sure and Sena failing to hide her intentions ends embarrased and cute as usual.

[Midonin]

BokuTomo 07 - Can You Hear Me Now?/Good (Then Who Was Phone?)

The cell phone, such a ubiquitous thing in Japanese culture, anime culture, American culture. Culture, really. It's the instigator of time-changing messages, creator of hijinks and compatible with most major websites. It never occurred to me that the gang in the Neighbors' Club hadn't really been using theirs. Or that they could build a whole episode around it. For better or worse, it shows that these people, who have nothing in common, are starting to treat each other as necessary, for whatever reason.

I think this is the first thing Sena genuinely didn't get. It makes sense. She's rich, and she tends to brush off most people anyway, so the idea of a portable way of communication never crossed her mind. The part in the bus was great. Rika steals any scene she's in really. The show's snowballing towards something great, I can tell.

Back to the pool next week! Only now, everyone's in on it!

[Shinova]

Kodaka, you were the only sane and fairly normal dude in the bunch until the part with the cellphone came up. Why'd you have to suddenly be a part of the Sad Group. ;___;


EDIT: Oh and Sena was really cute this ep. And Yozora went a little too far.

[recover]

dangit where ru all u watching the subbed version?

[zeniselv]

one of the best episodes so far, still im not satisfied with the adaptation, its not bad its just that the LN its so damn funny, also the fact that persona iamking me laugh more(i compare these two for being from the same studio), also this shows even more why senas bullying is deserved, she just belittle the others, first karaoke nbw with cellphones.

[LC]

Weren't Yozora's lines to Sena near the end the same as the Sacred Blackstar's?

Nice episode, glad we got to see more of Yukimura.

Notice that Yozora actually wants Sena to attack her back. Yes, she's mean-spirited a lot of the time, but it's just because she likes a good fight, imo, and she sees Sena, unlike Maria (who's likened to a pet), as an equal.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Its mind boggling how excellent and funny this episode was. I was seriously running out of breath with all the laughing I was doing.....Seriously, anime of the Season. Thank GOD Yozara and Kodaka are in this club, I was facepalming and laughing at the same damn time at their COMPLETE lack of being with the times lol.

Before taking the Red Pill
http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/5089/mazuibokuhatomodachigas.jpg

After taking the Red Pill
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2366/mazuibokuhatomodachigasq.jpg

LMAO

[Beryl Black]

A highly enjoyable episode, I'm a bit disappointed it ended. The comedy was perfect in it, poor Maria.

[SilverSyko]

I can only wonder what Yozora ever did on message boards in the past. It must not have been pretty if she didn't want to talk about it. I laughed when Sena said they were calling her a troll on there too. Welcome to the internet sister. :heh:

I can relate to this episode pretty well, cause while I have a cellphone, I never use it. Not to mention it's a pretty old one. It's a little depressing to think about but eh...it's not a big deal.

I thought it was a cute gesture that Sena ended up buying the exact same model and color of phone that Kodaka had, not to mention running straight to him for help after Yozora's little prank. I can see the affection in the air there and it seems Yozora notices it too.

Again, not a bad episode. A few facepalm moments mostly brought to me from Rika, but nothing downright horrid.



On a totally unrelated note, Sena's chest seemed a little more sentient than usual in this episode. :twitch:

[Chaos2Frozen]

It would be too boring if Kodaka wasn't in on the fun, but it looks like there are still some things the 'sensible' one becomes retarded at :eyespin: The (re)discovery of Handphone technology scene was so over the top dramatic :heh:

And poor Maria :heh:

EDIT:

Both Yozora and Sena have their cute moments in this episode :)

[potchip]

Where's the hate campaign against Yukimura for abusing underaged nun?

Cannot believe they stretched the phone segment into a whole episode, though. 'couple phone' lol. Cute that all of Kodaka's call records were from Kobato (who also appears to have a phone!) or home (erm...still Kobato i guess..)

[Chaos2Frozen]

Where's the hate campaign against Yukimura for abusing underaged nun?

Don't you know? Soft spoken 'traps' get free pass because they're so moe!

[ion475]

I miss those pre-smartphone days XD...(Although, given that the novel is written in 2010, I'm surprised that they're still using non-smartphone...)

Of course, Rika dirty jokes are back, which warrant a 10 every single time. Okay, I did laugh quite a bit this episode...

[Chaos2Frozen]

I miss those pre-smartphone days XD...(Although, given that the novel is written in 2010, I'm surprised that they're still using non-smartphone...)


For some reason, no matter what the age or technology level, everybody uses a clamshell phone in Japan :eyespin:

[zeniselv]

For some reason, no matter what the age or technology level, everybody uses a clamshell phone in Japan :eyespin:

just like how every time in a manga someone is playing a videogame is a famicom or super famicom, i thinks this is weird for showing a ps3:heh:

[ars89]

So Maria has moved up the ladder and now has Yukimura making her meals. Lol how she made her drink all the protein. Oh man so funny when they got to the cell phone part. Yozora and Kodaka were hilarious. Lol at Rika's messages. Poor Sena didn't have one. Liked how she went out and got the exact same one. Glad Yozora's antics backfired at the end for her.

[Flawfinder]

What the hell did I just watch? How do these people not know how to use a cell phone (there's anti-social and there's just plain "from a different generation")? And why do I have a feeling that Yozora is going to get more hate after this episode, yet people are going to ignore that Sena is at fault as well?

Edit: Yes, I liked this episode, but I didn't laugh much due to how weird it was.

[Chaos2Frozen]

So Maria has moved up the ladder and now has Yukimura making her meals. Lol how she made her drink all the protein.

Little did Kobato realized that her position as imouto would be replaced!

What the hell did I just watch? How do these people not know how to use a cell phone (there's anti-social and there's just plain "from a different generation")?

They can use a HP, but they just never used it's 'normal' function :heh:

It's like suddenly finding out your TV can double as a toaster all along :eek:



And why do I have a feeling that Yozora is going to get more hate after this episode, yet people are going to ignore that Sena is at fault as well?

Why do you think we've all camping here :p ? We're just waiting for it to happen so that we can jump in quickly.

[Sackett]

Weren't Yozora's lines to Sena near the end the same as the Sacred Blackstar's?

Nice episode, glad we got to see more of Yukimura.

Notice that Yozora actually wants Sena to attack her back. Yes, she's mean-spirited a lot of the time, but it's just because she likes a good fight, imo, and she sees Sena, unlike Maria (who's likened to a pet), as an equal.

Exactly! Everyone keeps saying how mean Yozora is. And it's true that she is mean- but people keep missing the fact that Sena is continually challenging Yozora and that Yozora likes it.

Yozora then rises to the challenge- because to her it's a game. And then it goes too far and Yozora is so much better at it that Sena gets crushed, and she runs off heart broken. Leaving Yozora disappointed that Sena didn't fight back. Yozora thinks of Sena as her friend, but also a rival, she wants a friendly rival. In fact that's why Yozora was so happy when Sena asked Kodaka for her email so she could send Yozora annoying messages. Yozora was so excited that she then went overboard again with attacking Sena.

Strangely enough it reminds me of myself and my younger brothers. Only for us it wasn't calling each other mean names, instead it involved sticks and hitting each other while playing swords.

My brothers always wanted to play swords, and so they'd attack me. Being the eldest I couldn't let them win, so it would keep escalating until one of them started crying, and then the game ended. I of course at that point was apologizing and making sure they weren't actually hurt.

Yozora needs to learn that after she make Sena cry she needs to go comfort Sena so that Sena knows it's just a game and that Yozora really is her friend. If Yozora keeps this up, she's going to lose her friends.

[zeniselv]

What the hell did I just watch? How do these people not know how to use a cell phone (there's anti-social and there's just plain "from a different generation")

well i....know someone who had to google how to post in a wall in facebook not long ago.

[potchip]

Don't you know? Soft spoken 'traps' get free pass because they're so moe!

Same with big boobed blondes I heard! :heh: Cannot resist..

Now...if Yozora started to be softer with Sena, who is unlikely to accept apologies in a graceful manner, don't think it will end well anyway. Sena crying only makes her more resolute to win Yozora's attention next time.

Couple phone with Kodaka was kind of cute. Golden phones for the half and full blonde.

[Wandering_Youth]

I thought Yozora was mean, but in this episode she was terrible. She's pretty much an a-hole. I have a fee she's going to cross the line and really start upsetting Kodaka in the future. Poor Sena...

Wow, I thought Yukimaru was just a slow paced guy, but he's actually quite dumb. All loyalty and no brains.

[FlareKnight]

Overall a pretty good episode. Fun watching Kodoka and Yozora be baffled by the functions of their cellphones. A year apart and they know nothing in comparison.

Was cute to find Sena making sure she got the exact same model of phone as Kodoka and knowing how to use the infrared before she got there. Was on the ball there. Couldn't help thinking though "don't ask for Yozora's mail address, it can't end well." And shocking enough it didn't end well.

Still moment of the episode goes completely to Rika. Her messages while Kodoka was on the bus were top notch :D.
Exactly! Everyone keeps saying how mean Yozora is. And it's true that she is mean- but people keep missing the fact that Sena is continually challenging Yozora and that Yozora likes it.

Yozora then rises to the challenge- because to her it's a game. And then it goes too far and Yozora is so much better at it that Sena gets crushed, and she runs off heart broken. Leaving Yozora disappointed that Sena didn't fight back. Yozora thinks of Sena as her friend, but also a rival, she wants a friendly rival. In fact that's why Yozora was so happy when Sena asked Kodaka for her email so she could send Yozora annoying messages. Yozora was so excited that she then went overboard again with attacking Sena.

Strangely enough it reminds me of myself and my younger brothers. Only for us it wasn't calling each other mean names, instead it involved sticks and hitting each other while playing swords.

My brothers always wanted to play swords, and so they'd attack me. Being the eldest I couldn't let them win, so it would keep escalating until one of them started crying, and then the game ended. I of course at that point was apologizing and making sure they weren't actually hurt.

Yozora needs to learn that after she make Sena cry she needs to go comfort Sena so that Sena knows it's just a game and that Yozora really is her friend. If Yozora keeps this up, she's going to lose her friends.Except what's the chance that's ever going to happen? Just keeps doing the same thing over and over again. Makes you wonder what exactly went down on that message board. Could easily see another case of rapid escalation and who knows where it ended. Can't stop herself. With Maria it went from just going to get a clubroom to beating on the nun. Having some fun with Yukimura to creating cross-dressing. And the times when things go too far with Sena. If she could tone it down she'd be fine. But think the problem is letting herself get fired up knowing that she almost always goes too far.

I know how things can get out of hand with younger siblings. Which is why I make the effort either to avoid getting too fired up or give them a numbers advantage so it's pretty even.

Sena should definitely watch herself and could save herself some trouble by avoiding conflict as much as she can. Of course can't do anything about the ones that Yozora instigates, but can save herself a few troubles. Suppose a positive for her though is that someone's got to give some comfort in those instances and other than Kodoka there are few options.

[Chaos2Frozen]

I thought Yozora was mean, but in this episode she was terrible. She's pretty much an a-hole. I have a fee she's going to cross the line and really start upsetting Kodaka in the future. Poor Sena...


You do realize in this episode it's quite clear that Sena provoke everyone first with her snobbish rich girl attitude right?

[Okashira]

Sena should definitely watch herself and could save herself some trouble by avoiding conflict as much as she can. Of course can't do anything about the ones that Yozora instigates, but can save herself a few troubles. Suppose a positive for her though is that someone's got to give some comfort in those instances and other than Kodoka there are few options.

But Sena needs to interact with Yozora, and it has been hinted that she does enjoy fighting with Yozora (based on the possibility that she would win over her). By the time of her introduction, Sena's only interacted with people that sucked up to her "goddess" imposed image, thus is quite easy to see that for her both Kodaka and Yozora are very important landmarks as people; Kodaka as someone who treated her normally and Yozora as someone, probably the first one to be "on her way", becoming someone that she must surpass.

Sena has obviously gone out of her way to obtain attention and recognition from both Yozora and Kodaka, but being as haughty she is and them being as crafty as they are; things usually end up in weird jokes or in Sena crying her way out of the room.


..... Haven't seen the episode yet D:

[Flawfinder]

well i....know someone who had to google how to post in a wall in facebook not long ago.

Not the same thing. First, cell phones have been around for a LONG time now. This isn't CLANNAD. Second, I don't get Facebook either. Which is why I never complain when it changes, since it's just as confusing as I remember it to be. :heh:

[HayashiTakara]

Yozora's plan backfired big time in the end. Can't say she didn't deserve it :heh:

I don't mind so much that Yozora picks on Sena, it can be enjoyable but sometimes it just feels like outright bullying.

On a side note, I don't know how to use about most functionalities of a cell phone, and I still don't know how to use facebook, mainly cause I refuse to use it :heh:

[relentlessflame]

You do realize in this episode it's quite clear that Sena provoke everyone first with her snobbish rich girl attitude right?Why does this remind me so much of episodes I've experienced as a moderator here on this forum. :heh:

- Poster A has an attitude/opinion that "provokes" Poster B
- Poster B lashes out with an ad hominem attack
- Poster B gets in trouble, but gets mad that Poster A wasn't punished as severely for provoking them

At the end of the day, regardless of the attitude or opinion that "started it", the person who crosses the line into downright attacks is usually the one who is seen as more at fault. That's not only the way things usually are for moderators, but that's always the way most people perceive things. Part of this is because attitudes are subject to perception, whereas attacks are more absolute. So even in this show, despite the fact that Sena's personality and haughty attitude may rub people the wrong way (she's no less dysfunctional than the rest of them), she'll still tend to get a bit more sympathy than Yozora, who has shown herself to be a bit merciless in berating people (whether arguably "deserved" or not). Most people don't perceive the two as equivalent, despite the fact that they do indeed play off of each other in this show.

In the end, though, I think they'd both get warnings and infractions. :heh:

[zeniselv]

^ i quess its the boobs?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Why does this remind me so much of episodes I've experienced as a moderator here on this forum. :heh:

- Poster A has an attitude/opinion that "provokes" Poster B
- Poster B lashes out with an ad hominem attack
- Poster B gets in trouble, but gets mad that Poster A wasn't punished as severely for provoking them

Arararahh? This does give off a sense of Deja vu... :p



At the end of the day, regardless of the attitude or opinion that "started it", the person who crosses the line into downright attacks is usually the one who is seen as more at fault. That's not only the way things usually are for moderators, but that's always the way most people perceive things. Part of this is because attitudes are subject to perception, whereas attacks are more absolute. So even in this show, despite the fact that Sena's personality and haughty attitude may rub people the wrong way (she's no less dysfunctional than the rest of them), she'll still tend to get a bit more sympathy than Yozora, who has shown herself to be a bit merciless in berating people (whether arguably "deserved" or not). Most people don't perceive the two as equivalent, despite the fact that they do indeed play off of each other in this show.

In the end, though, I think they'd both get warnings and infractions. :heh:

I've always been drilled into my head since childhood the saying of "It takes two hands to clap", so I'm not so quick to forget who's the one that started what, even if they ended up in tears.

[~Yami~]

Maria's torture... xD poor 10 years old....
Kodaka and Yozora really make a great combi.... xD
but Yozora's bully is getting worse.... maybe it's because of jealousy and also most of them because Sena started it.... lol
and also, Rika's message is really troll....

[DragoonKain3]

Was loling throughout the episode. Best part was Yozora saying NIKU outloud but whispering everything else in the phone. And this time, when Sena goes out the door yelling Yozora no Aho, I just TOTALLY lost it.

[Malkuth]

Very slow start, Yukimura just does not fit into the club as the rest of the cast. Also kind of disappointed that the staff conveniently remembered that goth-lolis do not fair well under the summer sun, despite forgeting it last episode and again for the next one.

Anyway, cell phone part was very good, and IMHO should been stretched for the full episode.

Also finally Yozora lost to a bigger troll, when Rika discovered to the power of yuri :heh:

Speaking of trolls, @relentlessflame on trolls and flame-wars: This show is an excellent example of why trolls are necessary to instigate discussions, without them everything ends up in long boring threads filled with fanboys/girls chanting in trance about how awesome their object of obsession is, in endless parallel monologues. Trolls (not limited to the on-line variety) are universally hated not because their antiques are not productive for the conversation (the opposite), but rather because they point out the imperfection and drive people to fix them... though most are too lazy or blind and end up blaming the troll instead of the problem :p

[Chaos2Frozen]

Speaking of trolls, @relentlessflame on trolls and flame-wars: This show is an excellent example of why trolls are necessary to instigate discussions, without them everything ends up in long boring threads filled with fanboys/girls chanting in trance about how awesome their object of obsession is, in endless parallel monologues. Trolls (not limited to the on-line variety) are universally hated not because their antiques are not productive for the conversation (the opposite), but rather because they point out the imperfection and drive people to fix them... though most are too lazy or blind and end up blaming the troll instead of the problem :p


No, I'm certain we call those people 'critics', not trolls :p

Trolls aren't productive at all save for increasing post numbers.

[relentlessflame]

No, I'm certain we call those people 'critics', not trolls :pIndeed. We need critics, certainly. But the objective of trolls is just to get to a rise out of others and get attention for themselves. So we don't need trolls, but we do need critics. Some people don't know the difference...

To apply it more specifically to this show, Sena probably does need someone to call her out a bit about her attitude from time to time (since it's why she doesn't have friends in the first place). But she probably doesn't need someone to berate her quite so much. :heh:

(And I've heard the "without critics we'd end up with nothing but fanboys" straw man argument so many times now... :heh: )

[potchip]

random snip: Yozora when kneeling down to grab her phone from the bag, holds her skirt in place :P

[Malkuth]

@chaos2frozen+relentlessflame: When in agreement, they are only called critics... but given your average contemporary person, they end up being called trolls, but usually even worse.

[Chaos2Frozen]

@chaos2frozen+relentlessflame: When in agreement, they are only called critics... but given your average contemporary person, they end up being called trolls, but usually even worse.

I'm pretty sure those people were called 'trolls' because their opinions, however valid, were presented in a degradative manner.

[relentlessflame]

Well, I don't really want this troll vs. critic tangent to derail the thread, but suffice it to say that I would take something like what Kodaka did with Sena in Episode 3 (chastising her for her behaviour at the pool) as "criticism" -- pretty stern/harsh criticism at that, but it was constructive. Yozora's behaviour doesn't come across as criticism due to the way she chooses to state things and the relentless way she digs into her "prey". I suppose some people might accuse critics of being trolls just because they're too sensitive to consider even reasonable criticism... but the lines between them are more defined than that (and this is why there is plenty of criticism allowed on this Forum, though we try to stop the outright trolling).

[Pocari_Sweat]

Speaking of trolls, @relentlessflame on trolls and flame-wars: This show is an excellent example of why trolls are necessary to instigate discussions, without them everything ends up in long boring threads filled with fanboys/girls chanting in trance about how awesome their object of obsession is, in endless parallel monologues. Trolls (not limited to the on-line variety) are universally hated not because their antiques are not productive for the conversation (the opposite), but rather because they point out the imperfection and drive people to fix them... though most are too lazy or blind and end up blaming the troll instead of the problem :p

Sounds like this series is the exact opposite of Guilty Crown and Gundam Age, where "haters" dominate the scene and we need "fans" to try and balance it out. Can we make a trade? :heh:

EDIT: To get back on topic, this episode was the usual shinenigans. I never fail to be amused at the Yozora and Sena bantering and even the trap Yukimura was midly humourous with his Bushido like attidude. And the scientist girl is as pervy as ever. Was that really her armpits when she sent that MMS to the MC cause it actually looked like a bag of breasts :s

[Om Nerabdator]

im starting to hate yozora always bulling sena.....i know she kinds of deserves it with the way she acts but i think she sincerely wants friends and enjoys their company there was no need to do that to senas first phone!

[bakAnki]

The first episode that hasn't been on manga yet! Though have read the LN but nice for once to not have to compare it with manga's more comical feel ^^

- The way Kobato'a avoiding go outside was adorable X3
- "True men don't afraid of food additives", lol Yukimura :heh:
- Poor Maria. Yukimura is probably a poop for her now until he give her normal food again XD
- Those Rika's mails, she never stop being (pervertly) awesome! Even Yozora couldn't handle her :heh:
- Yozora's NIKU trolls are awesome. One of her abuse I found hilarious. Can't say the same with her latter, though it hit her back with Kodaka helps Sena. IIRC that particular scene wasn't on the LN. Nice addition, I think :D

And yay for next episode, the release of sealing technique and pool chapter again :p

For some reason, no matter what the age or technology level, everybody uses a clamshell phone in Japan :eyespin:

Maybe Japanese often use clamshell phone because it was convenient for them with bigger screen so they won't misread kanji :heh:

[Johnny]

Meh, it's an odd friendship between the two. Well the characters are little off the wall themselves. Besides Sena may whine and cry about being called 'Meat', but she sure defended it in the pool episode...

Kodaka for the most plays the passive role in their fights. The real one that can keep Yozora in line is Rika...

[Chaos2Frozen]

im starting to hate yozora always bulling sena.....i know she kinds of deserves it with the way she acts but i think she sincerely wants friends and enjoys their company there was no need to do that to senas first phone!


Sena intended to strike first you know -_-

[Haak]

Yozora then rises to the challenge- because to her it's a game. And then it goes too far and Yozora is so much better at it that Sena gets crushed, and she runs off heart broken. Leaving Yozora disappointed that Sena didn't fight back. Yozora thinks of Sena as her friend, but also a rival, she wants a friendly rival. In fact that's why Yozora was so happy when Sena asked Kodaka for her email so she could send Yozora annoying messages. Yozora was so excited that she then went overboard again with attacking Sena.

That's not really what I was getting at all.

In any case, yes Senna could improve her attitude but it's nowhere near as bad as Yozora's responses. What exactly did Senna do to provoke Yozora into having a private conversation with Kodaka that was obviously meant to isolate her? Her attitude might have rubbed people off the wrong way but I seriously doubt that Yozora was at all annoyed by it. It seemed more like she did it just because she saw an opportunity to mess with Senna.

And it's clear that despite her attitude Senna makes genuine attempts to befriend Yozora, like how she asked for her number and address. Now why did Yozora feel the need to be difficult when there was obviously no challenge?

[Chaos2Frozen]

That's not really what I was getting at all.

In any case, yes Senna could improve her attitude but it's nowhere near as bad as Yozora's responses. What exactly did Senna do to provoke Yozora into having a private conversation with Kodaka that was obviously meant to isolate her?

You mean other than the whole handphones are stupid that only commoners would need and below someone of my status? In other words basically putting down Yozora and Kodaka's earlier effort and 'happiness' ?



Her attitude might have rubbed people off the wrong way but I seriously doubt that Yozora was at all annoyed by it. It seemed more like she did it just because she saw an opportunity to mess with Senna.

And it's clear that despite her attitude Senna makes genuine attempts to befriend Yozora, like how she asked for her number and address. Now why did Yozora feel the need to be difficult when there was obviously no challenge.

In the end Sena said it herself that she doesn't need Yozora's number, and for Sena to be friendly all of a sudden to Yozora, how do you know she wasn't intending to prank Yozora right afterwards?

From the first gaming episode we know she isn't above backstabbing, of course Yozora would be suspicious.

[Haak]

You mean other than the whole handphones are stupid that only commoners would need and below someone of my status? In other words basically putting down Yozora and Kodaka's earlier effort and 'happiness' ?

Like I said, her attitude might have rubbed people off the wrong way but I seriously doubt that Yozora was at all annoyed by it. It seemed more like she did it just because she saw an opportunity to mess with Senna.


In the end Sena said it herself that she doesn't need Yozora's number, and for Sena to be friendly all of a sudden to Yozora, how do you know she wasn't intending to prank her from the beginning?

How do we know she was? It seemed pretty obvious to me that the intention of prank phone calls was due to Yozora saying "What a greedy look you have bitch. If you want it so badly prove it to me." I mean if she was just asking to get her address for prank phone calls then why did she storm out screaming "Yozora no baka!" and crying? That doesn't look like a reaction of someone who's plan just failed. That looked more like a reaction from someone who's feelings were hurt.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Like I said, her attitude might have rubbed people off the wrong way but I seriously doubt that Yozora was at all annoyed by it. It seemed more like she did it just because she saw an opportunity to mess with Senna.

He says, she says. You doubt, I believe.


How do we know she was? It seemed pretty obvious to me that the intention of prank phone calls was due to Yozora saying "What a greedy look you have bitch. If you want it so badly prove it to me." I mean if she was just asking to get her address for prank phone calls then why did she storm out screaming "Yozora no baka!" and crying? That doesn't look like a reaction of someone who's plan just failed. That looked more like a reaction from someone who's feelings were hurt.


How do I know? Because I'm not fooled by a pair of good breasts and teary blue eyes :p

And I'm looking at it from Yozora's pov, to have your enemy suddenly acting all nice and friendly to you, are you honestly going to just hand over your address number?

[Haak]

He says, she says. You doubt, I believe.


Is it a crime to offer my interpretation? I doubt that Yozora wasn't all offended by Senna's words because she didn't give any signs that she was offended. Her signs usually involve some actual reaction and anger. Like the look on her face when she saw Senna's text and how she usually gets tense when Senna actually makes fun of her. That's why I doubt.

So why do you believe that Yozora was actually offended rather than just seeing it as an opportunity of making fun of Senna? I'm asking for your opinion here.


How do I know? Because I'm not fooled by a pair of good breasts and teary blue eyes :p

And I'm looking at it from Yozora's pov, to have your enemy suddenly acting all nice and friendly to you, are you honestly going to just hand over your address number?

If that's her POV then I could understand but whilst it might seem reasonable there was nothing really to suggest that Yozora was at all suspicious of Senna's motives. Of course looking at it from Yozora's POV, even if it's true that she thought Senna had ulterior motives, that doesn't prove she does and like I said, from the way Senna reacted as if upset, it certainly doesn't seem like she actually had ulterior motives.

And I think I've already made it clear that I'm fooled by Kanae Ito's voice rather than the pair of breasts and teary blue eyes. :p

[Malkuth]

@Haak+Chaos2Frozen: Let me put it in this way, Yozora and Sena are a perfect fit for each other (FriendsWithBenefits-wise); granted, in a competitive way with Kodaka fifth appendix being the catalyst, but this is what makes relationships interesting :p

I think that Sena is pretty much a masochist that wants to attract more of Yozora's attention rather than Kodaka's dick, despite the fact that it is always the best excuse to get Yozora going...

On the other hand, Yozora tries too hard to get a friend, and is somewhat lost between friendship, boy/girl-friend, but deep down she is a cynic that mixes perfectly with the M that her first true friend really is :heh:

[Haak]

@Haak+Chaos2Frozen: Let me put it in this way, Yozora and Sena are a perfect fit for each other (FriendsWithBenefits-wise); granted, in a competitive way with Kodaka fifth appendix being the catalyst, but this is what makes relationships interesting :p

That's why I don't usually mind if they're just fighting and Senna is on equal terms (or even if Yozora gets the better of Senna). I think they're clearly trying to be friends and I think there are enough signs to suggest they don't really consider each other enemies. It's just when Yozora goes as far as to make Senna upset enough to and storm out and cry that I start getting irritated.

[Malkuth]

Ah! but Yozora going way too far is what really our spoiled ドM oujo-sama really enjoys ;)

[Haak]

If that's the case then I don't mind then. I just wish they'd make that more clear.

[Malkuth]

But being ambiguous is more fun ;)

[Eisdrache]

I'm getting tired of the Yozora vs Sena antics, it's the same every single episode. Even funny things will get boring if you repeat them too much. Not that I was exactly fond of them from the beginning.

As for the episode, even if you don't have many/no friends there is nothing stopping you from learning how a goddamn mobile phone works. None of them is lacking in intelligence so it's really pushing that they haven't heard about infrared. What year are we living in, 1995?

As for the Yukimura feeding part that was just .... He might be somewhat simple-minded but what part of "healthy food" is hard to understand? Not to mention that an overdose of proteins is far from healthy as well.

Thankfully Kobato is still as cute as always (SWIMSUIT KOBATO NEXT EPISODE omgomgomg my body is not ready) as well as my new 2nd favourite character Rika who recently got into yuri >:3 The part around 18:57 made me all hhhhhhnnnnnnnnggggggggg over Rika. Her behaviour also feels much more natural compared to Yozora/Sena/Yukimura.

Overall a weak episode but the preview hints at a Kobato centric episode next (つ´ω`)つ Her opponent whoever it is is seriously cute by the way.

[mangatron]

random snip: Yozora when kneeling down to grab her phone from the bag, holds her skirt in place :P

This was a scene I couldn't help but laugh and rage at the same time. I know this series is doing it's darnedest to not show any pantsu (hey, why not nopan the OP instead of showing any:heh:), but this scene, this scene when Yozora holds her skirt, I couldn't help but laugh that the animators even took the time to deprive me of panchira :heh::heh:

Here's something that seems to have gone over unmentioned: how about the fact that Kodaka is actually quite the pervert, sneaking a peek at the fellow's ecchi magazine :heh:

Ahem anyways, loved a lot of this episode, even though I was partially rolling my eyes at two kids who didn't know much about their phone's functions (I'm the kind of person that quite literally dissects the phone to know how it works instead of reading the usually unhelpful manual). Even more perplexing to me was the continued use of Infrared in Anime, I feel like the only one who ever sent contact details through Bluetooth....:heh:

Maria, Maria, I kinda felt sorry for her. Seriously, major protein ingestion. It's a fact one is not supposed take in the entire container at once :heh:


And I'm quite, I don't know, amused is the wrong word to use, I am how do you say intrigued at the continued debates of Yozora versus Sena. I knew this is what the series is about from the start and was looking forward to it, but seven episodes in and both sides of the viewers still have a wall in-between them.

So I'd like to take the time out of my busy schedule and add my 2 million cents. Sena by all accounts still is the kind of person I would NOT call prideful. There is a huge difference between someone who looks down on others on purpose and one who unknowingly gets their point across in that manner. Sena I would put in the latter group, ever since she first entered the clubroom, it was an obvious fact she had zero interaction on an equal level with someone else. So it's natural she won't get her words across that well. I should know as I had a rather similar youth to her, the isolation of a genius, in that there was quite literally no one on my level I could talk to, and when I do speak up, hello convo killer.

And that is why I've come off as a bit of an insane maniac here in this forum, I eventually had to become the opposite of a genius (yes I am like this in real life:heh:) Sena's case is one of where her honestly is so obvious in the way she tries to hide it by saying the opposite. I simply viewed it like this:

Sena: I've never been to karaoke before. There's no way I could partake in such commoner activities.

Translation: I've never had any friends. No one wanted to invite me to karaoke.

Even with this cell phone episode (obviously hinted by her incomplete sentence the first time):

Sena: Why would I need a cell phone, all the girls are kyaah kyaah over them. It's not like a high class persona like me needs a phone.

Translation: I never had a cell phone because I had no one to call. If I had friends to call then I would want a phone too.

Those who spend a great deal of time in this forum would notice I just can't hate either of the 2 girls (Yozora and Sena). I'll say it again, I love watching their interaction with one another. I can't bring myself to hate Yozora because there are still mysteries about her past, why she shunned Kodaka before he left, why she ended up with an air friend instead of a real one, I keep these things in mind whenever Yozora verbally abuses Sena because the way I see it, Yozora has this grand opportunity to enact onto a real person instead of an air one, one who obviously can't win against her, and the ensuing deep conversation Yozora has with Sena, which is so much more than what an air friend can offer. This is why I can't hate Yozora's actions: for quite some time now Yozora has not had the interaction with a real person prior to Sena, and with Sena being the way she is, Yozora is sort of "venting" all those years of lack of interaction with others onto Sena, who responds pretty much in a way Yozora wants her to. And as it is episode 07 now, we start to see that she is now regretful of her actions towards Sena is potentially separating her from Kodaka. So in regards to Yozora, I expect things to change from now on, especially now that Sena's interactions with Kodaka are becoming closer each time Yozora goes after Sena.

In Sena's case, this is a girl who's upbringing was a little more easy going than the average person. In a twist of opposites with Kodaka, Sena's looks have drawn her apart from potential friends. Thus, her interaction with others in a friendly level is next to nil, which is why she comes off as saying the opposite of what she truly feels, mainly because she's never had the chance to be on a friendly speaking level with others, and is embarrassed to do so. A girl who was looked down on others, tries her best to look down on her new friends, but she's doing a poor job of that, and can't hide the truth no matter what.

This will probably be the last time I touch on this subject in such a wally of texty way (I seemed to have done this before). Surely I can't be the only one out there who sees these 2 girls this way?

[TheEroKing]

I doubt since most of you guys are as ero as me you missed something really important.
Every time Sena fails to make a come back against Yozora she goes "BAKA! BAKA! AHO YOZORA!" and runs off but only after giving some nice bouncy fanservice = Profit :naughty:

EroKing is going to spend the next couple of hours trying to make some avatars from this episode~

In the meantime...
http://i.imgur.com/VvTlpl.jpg (http://imgur.com/VvTlp)
^dedicated to mangatron

[mangatron]

I doubt since most of you guys are as ero as me you missed something really important.
Every time Sena fails to make a come back against Yozora she goes "BAKA! BAKA! AHO YOZORA!" and runs off but only after giving some nice bouncy fanservice = Profit :naughty:

Are you kidding? Almost every time Sena moved a muscle she bounced :heh:. I couldn't even bring myself to make an avatar out of one simply because she was bouncing so much there's not enough space in the file size limit :heh:

[Kusa-San]

Yozora went, once again, overboard in this episode against Sena. The end with Sena crying because she was spamming her... :frustrated: Poor Sena :upset: And of course, Yosora will not apologize :rolleyes:

[Chaos2Frozen]

Is it a crime to offer my interpretation? I doubt that Yozora wasn't all offended by Senna's words because she didn't give any signs that she was offended. Her signs usually involve some actual reaction and anger. Like the look on her face when she saw Senna's text and how she usually gets tense when Senna actually makes fun of her. That's why I doubt.

So why do you believe that Yozora was actually offended rather than just seeing it as an opportunity of making fun of Senna? I'm asking for your opinion here.

No it's not a crime, what I meant was that we can't use interpretation as evidence because it's basically our words and views against each other which doesn't get us anywhere.

For example, why I believe Yozora wasn't just making fun of Sena was because there isn't that little smirk or sly look in her eyes as some signs that she's about to pull a prank. This is more or less just saying the evidence is a lack of evidence, which btw is your defence as well :p



If that's her POV then I could understand but whilst it might seem reasonable there was nothing really to suggest that Yozora was at all suspicious of Senna's motives. Of course looking at it from Yozora's POV, even if it's true that she thought Senna had ulterior motives, that doesn't prove she does and like I said, from the way Senna reacted as if upset, it certainly doesn't seem like she actually had ulterior motives.

Yes but this was afterwards and Sena had already ran away so there's nothing to be done.


And I think I've already made it clear that I'm fooled by Kanae Ito's voice rather than the pair of breasts and teary blue eyes. :p

Bah lies, Kanae Ito has good breasts as well!


@Haak+Chaos2Frozen: Let me put it in this way, Yozora and Sena are a perfect fit for each other (FriendsWithBenefits-wise); granted, in a competitive way with Kodaka fifth appendix being the catalyst, but this is what makes relationships interesting :p


Honestly I'm just not so bothered about their antagonistic relationship as it's no different than watching other comedy with antagonistic relationships- To me Yozora antics are tame, I just don't like people overreacting like it's something they've never seen them before.

Sigh, that's why I told those guys in the Baka-Test thread that you can't abuse girls in comedy -_-

[mangatron]

In the meantime...
http://i.imgur.com/VvTlpl.jpg (http://imgur.com/VvTlp)
^dedicated to mangatron

lol dude, do you know what this means? This is basically the photoshopped version of the scene in the OP when Rika was shaking her booty! I'm spared! :heh::heh:

Bah lies, Kanae Ito has good breasts as well!

:heh:

You know how the saying goes, a woman's quality isn't only in her breasts, which basically means it does help the situation :D

Sigh, that's why I told those guys in the Baka-Test thread that you can't abuse girls in comedy -_-

I'd pay you to say this in the Ben-to thread, but then I'd have to k-.... never mind, I don't think they'll get it :heh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

I'd pay you to say this in the Ben-to thread, but then I'd have to k-.... never mind, I don't think they'll get it :heh:

I'll only accept payment in Avatars.

[ThereminVox]

Did anyone else laugh til they nearly cried at Sena's tantrum after the "MEAT" trolling? I loved how she was shouting, and crying, but still took the moment to thoughtfully hand Kodaka back his cell phone, before flouncing out of the club room. I think it was just the juxtaposition of her temper flaring against how (unintentionally?) considerate she is of Kodaka. Such a little thing, but it made the scene for me.

Yozora is still comedy gold when she's on. And she was on this week. "Quiet, Meat. Can't you see we're on the phone?" :heh:

I'm honestly surprised it took Rika nearly 24 hours to start sexting.

I kept waiting for someone, near the end of the episode to break a quiet moment by saying "You know, it's been like 3 day now. Should we.. I dunno.. check and make sure Maria's alive?" Maybe it's funnier that no one seemed to care.

I hope people are starting to see the purpose of Yozora's abusiveness: This was at least the second time that it backfired on her spectacularly, from her perspective, and resulted in Sena being comforted by Kodaka. That's not even counting how badly it failed her when they were playing the VN together, and she cost herself the conquest by being rotten to the friend of the object of her "affection". Even the game was trying to warn her, it seems.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Did anyone else laugh til they nearly cried at Sena's tantrum after the "MEAT" trolling? I loved how she was shouting, and crying, but still took the moment to thoughtfully hand Kodaka back his cell phone, before flouncing out of the club room. I think it was just the juxtaposition of her temper flaring against how (unintentionally?) considerate she is of Kodaka. Such a little thing, but it made the scene for me.

Yozora is still comedy gold when she's on. And she was on this week. "Quiet, Meat. Can't you see we're on the phone?" :heh:

I'm honestly surprised it took Rika nearly 24 hours to start sexting.


Yes there's that, but mostly in my head I was mentally preparing to deal with everyone's response to it =_=

Being me is suffering.

[Sumeragi]

I'm interested in how Yozora managed to introduce a virus via cell phone :uhoh:

[mangatron]

Did anyone else laugh til they nearly cried at Sena's tantrum after the "MEAT" trolling? I loved how she was shouting, and crying, but still took the moment to thoughtfully hand Kodaka back his cell phone, before flouncing out of the club room. I think it was just the juxtaposition of her temper flaring against how (unintentionally?) considerate she is of Kodaka. Such a little thing, but it made the scene for me.

I really liked the part where she paused to hand him the phone :heh: it further fuels my point that she's not so stuck up, like to grind the phone to the ground XD

I kept waiting for someone, near the end of the episode to break a quiet moment by saying "You know, it's been like 3 day now. Should we.. I dunno.. check and make sure Maria's alive?" Maybe it's funnier that no one seemed to care.

Sadly, no one seems to remember Maria, just like how she was left out of the karaoke invitations. I think this has to do with teachers (club advisers) not really participating in outgoing activities as opposed to what a normal club would be like :heh:

I'll only accept payment in Avatars.

Seeing as how your current one is going a bit over a week now, I think you could use a new one :D

I'm interested in how Yozora managed to introduce a virus via cell phone :uhoh:

There is such a thing in real life. Don't ask how I know :uhoh::heh:

You didn't hear it from me, but you might know it as "SMS Bomb" *runs*

[TheEroKing]

I'm interested in how Yozora managed to introduce a virus via cell phone :uhoh:

Think of Yozora as Nanami from Katanagatari, takes 1 try to learn 2nd try to master. Too bad she only cares about trolling Niku :heh:

[Kanon]

Ok, I have to admit the part where Yozora talked to Kodaka on the phone and only let Sena hear the word "meat" was hilarious. Sena's subsequent exit of the room while crying and screaming Idiot Yozora! was also the best so far. She was so adorable <3

Sadly, Yozora went overboard at the end once again. Her real problem is that she doesn't know moderation. When Sena provokes her (unwittingly or not), she retaliates disproportionately. She basically brings a bazooka to a bare hand fight, making the battle so uneven it becomes one-sided bullying. She needs to realize that Sena just has a big mouth and doesn't actually have the means to fight with her on equal ground. Now that she has noticed that her actions are bringing Sena and Kodaka closer, I have good hope she'll start treating Sena slightly better, if only for her own sake. Or maybe she'll be pissed and it will escalate instead. We'll see.

I'd say that ff what she really wants is a challenge, then she ought to target Rika whom I'm sure could give her a run for her money. I can't imagine Rika yielding down easily.

I'm disappointed Kobato was left out of the episode. It's true she has only herself to blame for stubbornly refusing to wear anything other than that outfit, but it's still sad. Her little sister position was even stolen in her absence. Curse you, Maria!

[DXMichael]

Oh god...that scene with Maria being tied up...0_0 Why must my favorite character be treated in such as way XD She's adorable =3 Well...at least, she is in my eyes =3

As for Yozora...just what where those 'few things' she did on the internet a while back :P

Sena...a troll? I can actually see it lol. I'm so glad their including things like this in the animes now XD

Jees, they really make it obvious that these characters have never had friends before when they discovered that cell phones can call other people, that part made me laugh quite a bit. And why do they all seem so surprised about the things their phones can do XD

So many questions and humorous moments in this episode :P Well, at least they were acting more like friends now instead of just throwing words at each other, it was nice to see Yozora happy and excited :) The phone part and calling Sena meat was pretty funny, just the constant whispering the a sudden MEAT to appear in the subs moments later made me laugh :P

Ending was rather sad, I guess maybe Yozora started to feel bad for what she did to Sena's phone? Either that or she was jealous that Kodaka was helping out Sena. I did like Kodaka's tone of voice when trying to comfort Sena at the end, it's nice to know he does care about her.

By the way, what happened to Kodaka meeting Sena's father? :P

[Haak]

No it's not a crime, what I meant was that we can't use interpretation as evidence because it's basically our words and views against each other which doesn't get us anywhere.

That's ridiiculous. One can at least debate on and assess how much credibility an interpretation has. If we couldn't then then very few debates would get anywhere. Your next point clearly indicates that:


For example, why I believe Yozora wasn't just making fun of Sena was because there isn't that little smirk or sly look in her eyes as some signs that she's about to pull a prank. This is more or less just saying the evidence is a lack of evidence, which btw is your defence as well :p

You're right. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. But I don't need to prove a negative. The proof that I think I'm asking for is quite reasonable and would clearly be used. I would counter that yours isn't. Yozora doesn't always smirk or make a sly look before doing a prank. Remember when they played that virtual reality game and Yozora tricked Senna into virtual suicide? She didn't smirk or have any sly look. She just went ahead and did it. In any case we know it's a prank already. What else could she possibly be doing? You don't think she'd just randomly phone like that and have a conversation about her dinner do you? She was obviously playing a prank. The contention was what motivated her to play that prank. I don't it's a stretch for me to say that she played that prank to mess with Senna because that's generally the purpose of pranks. Did she do it because she was actually offended (None of the typical signs to suggest she was) or not (do I need evidence to prove a negative?)


Yes but this was afterwards and Sena had already ran away so there's nothing to be done.

This is true from Yozora's POV, but you asked me personally how I knew. I figured you were arguing that Senna in fact was trying to get her phone number for a prank.

In any case my main point was that Yozora didn't seem suspicious. Let's just recap for a moment. Senna didn't ask for Yozora's phone number first. Actually what she said was "Come on, I'll give you my address too!" and Yozora flatly rejected. This was of course before Yozora glared at Senna and Kodaka exchanging contacts and showing signs of jealousy. If the anime is hinting at anything, it's hinting at that.

[Klashikari]

I'm interested in how Yozora managed to introduce a virus via cell phone :uhoh:
Well... Yozora could potentially leak Sena's address in some kind of bulletin board, leading to that harassment spam.

Whichever it was, I'm more surprised that Kodaka could fix it in matter of seconds.

[Azuma Denton]

LOL...
Yozora Yozora..
Why do you have to be such a bully?? :heh:
In the end, it is you who suffered from jealousy... :heh:


The most LOL moment, is Kodaka and Yozora just found out that cellphones is one tools for contacting friends? And cellphones nowadays has infrared feature?? Wakakakaka...
That is so much win... :heh:

[Yui Is My Wife]

Here's another-one for Mangatron

To help reactivate his long-delayed nasal menstural -cycle. :heh:
http://forums.animesuki.com/picture.php?albumid=3484&pictureid=41657
:heh::heh::heh:

[Kanon]

Ending was rather sad, I guess maybe Yozora started to feel bad for what she did to Sena's phone? Either that or she was jealous that Kodaka was helping out Sena. I did like Kodaka's tone of voice when trying to comfort Sena at the end, it's nice to know he does care about her.

By the way, what happened to Kodaka meeting Sena's father? :P

I'm leaning toward jealousy. That might also be the reason she's always so harsh on Sena. She sees the girl with an angelic face and big tits as her biggest rival and feels the need to crush her.

I was wondering about the same thing... I was looking forward to that meeting.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Here's another-one for Mangatron

To help reactivate his long-delayed nasal menstural -cycle. :heh:
http://forums.animesuki.com/picture.php?albumid=3484&pictureid=41657
:heh::heh::heh:

Maybe its just me, but I can't see her sexually at all. I think the show has done a real good job making me really want to be her big brother more so than her being my loli lover. She's so adorable.....Is this the power of TRUE IMOUTO?

[Sheba]

I am not so bothered by Yozora's trolling. Maybe because I prefer the verbal and way-around kind of abuse that I liked in Married with Children between Al and Marcy and in the British comedy "The Thick of It" over the slapstick violence that have plagued most of anime comedies from Urusei Yatsura to Love Hina.

Seriously, please Yozora, keep going, Al Bundy would be so proud of you.

[Azuma Denton]

I'm leaning toward jealousy. That might also be the reason she's always so harsh on Sena. She sees the girl with an angelic face and big tits as her biggest rival and feels the need to crush her.

I was wondering about the same thing... I was looking forward to that meeting.
I say its a 100% jealousy...

Well, at some point, Yozora's jealousy is so visible...
- at eps 5, when Kobato is joining, Yozora is relieved because she is his sister...
- at eps 6, when Sena is inviting Kodaka to her house...


Kodaka, eventhough he has no friend, he managed to put a flag for, let's see, 5 girls... :D


As i joke with my friends, "If having no friends means you can get 3 lovely female clubroom acquintance, 1 loli nun advisor, 1 traps, and 1 brocon sister, who the hell needs friends??" :heh:

[Peanutbutter]

I'm declaring Kobato in a bikini is illegal! ILLEGAL, I SAY!!! :heh:

Otherwise, episode really didn't interest me except bits and parts. Again, bully Yozora irks me. :eyespin:

[Manji Midou]

Just because Sena loses every time they go at it, there's no need to make her the victim of bullying. Sena bashed the cell phone idea from the start, Sena was the who told yozora she should honored to give her yozora's number. l couldn't give a damn if that's not how she really feels the damage has been done. ln an actual situation people would had grown tired with her on "l'm so better than you" attitude. By now she would probably be excluded from friend activities because they would had grown tired of it.

l'm sorry but Sena is no victim but more so a child. when sena knows she's beaten she results to the usual childlike response, a few insults then run away crying.

[Haak]

^ You know what's hilarious? 40 freebies and only one Kodaka avatar. Anyway, we have a thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=107964) for that, so it's better if you post them there.

Just because Sena loses every time they go at it, there's no need to make her the victim of bullying. Sena bashed the cell phone idea from the start, Sena was the who told yozora she should honored to give her yozora's number. l couldn't give a damn if that's not how she really feels the damage has been done. ln an actual situation people would had grown tired with her on "l'm so better than you" attitude. By now she would probably be excluded from friend activities because they would had grown tired of it.

l'm sorry but Sena is no victim but more so a child. when sena knows she's beaten she results to the usual childlike response, a few insults then run away crying.

It becomes one major predicament when a guy makes an argument that starts off in the complete opposite direction to you that you'd have to actually start by commenting on every single sentance, creating a ugly, confrontational and ever-dreaded wall of text, no one likes to see. So for the sake of my sanity, I'm just going to ignore this. Just wanted to clarify that before anyone says anything...

[KLGChaos]

One of the weaker episodes, imo, but I found the discovery of using the cell phones funny. Yozora's was much better this episode and her bullying of Sena was somewhat justified. Sadly, she had to ruin it by going completely overboard in the end. That's her problem-- she doesn't know when to stop or when she does something, she does it in a really bad way. There's a difference between Sena's idea of sending a few annoying messages and having her phone bombarded by spam.

[TheEroKing]

^ You know what's hilarious? 40 freebies and only one Kodaka avatar. Anyway, we have a thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=107964) for that, so it's better if you post them there.


ah, I'm aware of that thread but since most members usually check out just the latest episodes thread I added it here. anyways it's on both threads now :heh:

and lolwtf what made me make that Kodaka gif anyways? i usually don't make male ones >_<

[Lexxus]

Yozora's spam messages to Sena backfired with jealousy. I still quite enjoy this episode with Yozora and Kodaka being amazed with what cellphone can do.

[HayashiTakara]

What Yozora and Sena kinda remind of is; Back when I was a kid / teen the guys would always make fun of one another for fun but then there's always this one friend that goes too far and everyone will just look at him like "that's not cool man." Yozora lacks that restraint and always takes it one step too far.

[DXMichael]

It's a shame really for Yozora. All she wants is friends but it's not Sena or Kodaka or anyone that holding her back...it's herself. She's letting hate and jealousy get in the way of whats important which is acting as a friend would to other people. Instead, she's more concerned with making sure Sena doesn't get any friends, and by doing this, she fully concentrates on annoying Sena and completely forgets to get herself involved in the activities their all suppose to be doing (Games and Karaoke are the perfect example from the last few episodes) And eventually it just backfires for her since Kodaka licks Sena's wounds for her since she's such a...vulnarable person that sets herself up easily.

Why do I have the feeling that even though Yozora is the creator of the club, she will be the one to still not be recognised as a proper friend near the end of the anime by the others because of her own faults...it's ashame.

However, Yozora could have a good reason for her jealousy towards everyone when it comes to Kodaka. As the anime obviously shows, both of them were childhood friends and neither of them know it (That i'm aware off for Yozora) But maybe, just maybe, even though Yozora doesn't remember him, Kodoka reminds her of the only friend she had when they were younger (Which was Kodaka anyway) which is why she hates it when Sena is around him...he resembled her only friend that she hadn't properly said goodbye too.

[HayashiTakara]

It's a shame really for Yozora. All she wants is friends but it's not Sena or Kodaka or anyone that holding her back...it's herself. She's letting hate and jealousy get in the way of whats important which is acting as a friend would to other people. Instead, she's more concerned with making sure Sena doesn't get any friends, and by doing this, she fully concentrates on annoying Sena and completely forgets to get herself involved in the activities their all suppose to be doing (Games and Karaoke are the perfect example from the last few episodes) And eventually it just backfires for her since Kodaka licks Sena's wounds for her since she's such a...vulnarable person that sets herself up easily.

Why do I have the feeling that even though Yozora is the creator of the club, she will be the one to still not be recognised as a proper friend near the end of the anime by the others because of her own faults...it's ashame.

However, Yozora could have a good reason for her jealousy towards everyone when it comes to Kodaka. As the anime obviously shows, both of them were childhood friends and neither of them know it (That i'm aware off for Yozora) But maybe, just maybe, even though Yozora doesn't remember him, Kodoka reminds her of the only friend she had when they were younger (Which was Kodaka anyway) which is why she hates it when Sena is around him...he resembled her only friend that she hadn't properly said goodbye too.

I'm certain that Yozora already knows that Kodoka is the childhood friend since that one episode when Kodoka woke up saying the line from his dream and she said "You remembered." Kodoka is set on believing that his friend was a boy so has no idea that she was "him".

[Lexxus]

Like HayashiTakara said, Yozora already knew that Kodaka was her childhood friend.

[DXMichael]

That good then, it adds to the possibilities to why she's so jealous when it comes to Sena being around Kodaka :P

[Shimapan]

Better again than last week's episode. Yozora is still trying to make Sena run away crying though.

First off, Rika really rules with her perversion :D

Also, the "manly" maid force-feeding the nun protein drinks XD

Then, they discover a marvelous new device called "mobile phone". I'd at first expected that none of them has one, since no one has anyone to call, but they had found other uses for it...
Only one to not have one because of no need is Sena. She first tries the "too mundane" trip again, but after Kodaka and Yozora seem to have so much fun with it (and Yozora rubbing her the wrong way again with all that "niku" stuff), she gets one as well, same model and colour as Kodaka.
Yozora now extends her bullying to the mobile phone, which however badly backfires on her, as Sena now gets Kodaka's fully attention :p

Next episode will be really interesting again with those swimsuits :D

They can use a HP, but they just never used it's 'normal' function :heh:

It's like suddenly finding out your TV can double as a toaster all along :eek:

The other way round... it's more like having used the TV as a toaster all the time and suddenly finding out you can use it to watch TV programmes XD

Sadly, Yozora went overboard at the end once again. Her real problem is that she doesn't know moderation. When Sena provokes her (unwittingly or not), she retaliates disproportionately. She basically brings a bazooka to a bare hand fight, making the battle so uneven it becomes one-sided bullying. She needs to realize that Sena just has a big mouth and doesn't actually have the means to fight with her on equal ground. Now that she has noticed that her actions are bringing Sena and Kodaka closer, I have good hope she'll start treating Sena slightly better, if only for her own sake. Or maybe she'll be pissed and it will escalate instead. We'll see.

Fully agree. I really hope she'll stop her bullying - or, as that most likely won't happen, as she seems to enjoy the bullying too much, at least decrease her bullying somewhat (before the urge to hit a brick in her face for her constant excessive bullying gets too strong).

I'd say that ff what she really wants is a challenge, then she ought to target Rika whom I'm sure could give her a run for her money. I can't imagine Rika yielding down easily.

That's right, but bullies always pick on the people of which they know they can't come back at them properly. Any prospect of people being able to retaliate their attacks properly makes them quickly lose interest of the person in question.

[Master_Yoma]

Poor Sena how many time she goes running out crying because of Yozora

[Cosmic Eagle]

Poor Sena how many time she goes running out crying because of Yozora

Oh...but she always one ups her in the end so it's even despite Yozora being a bitch...

Picturing the aftermath of the protein incident is really funny :heh:

And yay....hot insert pic of Kobato

[Bonta Kun]

I have to admit I really quite liked this ep despite how it made me faceplam at certain parts concerning the cell phones.

I also have to admit I still really like when Sena goes running off crying and shouting, it's too cute!
So in a way I have to say I still like seeing Yozora trolling Sena but only in the sense of giving me some adorable Sena.

LOL & <3 @ Sena gaming with a blank screen, that was great!:heh:

Love Sena's casual ware, but then I think thats down to the whole, "we see em in uniforms all the time so when it's something different it will seem awesome!" type of thing.
Much like when you get different hair styles.

Now question(or more just curosity thats been on my mind for awhile) but do the Japanese really still use flip phones these days?
Most users here now use touch screen, I would have thought that would be the same for Japan as well, consider getting a touch screen phone is now relatively cheap(not aiming this at the group here but more in general)
When will we start seeing touch screen phones being the norm in anime?
Guess it will still be some time before we do, think theres a touch screen phone in Ben-to.
Also is only the Japanese that use infrared thingy, cause I've never once used it and nor do I know of anyone that has lol.
I'm totally not sure if it's a "behind the times" or "ahead of the times" thing!

[larethian]

I have to admit I really quite liked this ep despite how it made me faceplam at certain parts concerning the cell phones.

I also have to admit I still really like when Sena goes running off crying and shouting, it's too cute!
So in a way I have to say I still like seeing Yozora trolling Sena but only in the sense of giving me some adorable Sena.

LOL & <3 @ Sena gaming with a blank screen, that was great!:heh:

Love Sena's casual ware, but then I think thats down to the whole, "we see em in uniforms all the time so when it's something different it will seem awesome!" type of thing.
Much like when you get different hair styles.

Now question(or more just curosity thats been on my mind for awhile) but do the Japanese really still use flip phones these days?
Most users here now use touch screen, I would have thought that would be the same for Japan as well, consider getting a touch screen phone is now relatively cheap(not aiming this at the group here but more in general)
When will we start seeing touch screen phones being the norm in anime?
Guess it will still be some time before we do, think theres a touch screen phone in Ben-to.
Also is only the Japanese that use infrared thingy, cause I've never once used it and nor do I know of anyone that has lol.
I'm totally not sure if it's a "behind the times" or "ahead of the times" thing!

IR is old stuff, I don't beam contacts these days anymore so I don't know whether it's still available on my Nexus?

In more than 80% of the novels and manga I read, the characters use flip phones. The only one I remember using iPhone was Kirino.

That aside, this episode was okay, I didn't laugh that much. I think the initial part on realizing they have phones dragged out a little, imo.

[HayashiTakara]

I have to admit I really quite liked this ep despite how it made me faceplam at certain parts concerning the cell phones.

I also have to admit I still really like when Sena goes running off crying and shouting, it's too cute!
So in a way I have to say I still like seeing Yozora trolling Sena but only in the sense of giving me some adorable Sena.

LOL & <3 @ Sena gaming with a blank screen, that was great!:heh:

Love Sena's casual ware, but then I think thats down to the whole, "we see em in uniforms all the time so when it's something different it will seem awesome!" type of thing.
Much like when you get different hair styles.

Now question(or more just curosity thats been on my mind for awhile) but do the Japanese really still use flip phones these days?
Most users here now use touch screen, I would have thought that would be the same for Japan as well, consider getting a touch screen phone is now relatively cheap(not aiming this at the group here but more in general)
When will we start seeing touch screen phones being the norm in anime?
Guess it will still be some time before we do, think theres a touch screen phone in Ben-to.
Also is only the Japanese that use infrared thingy, cause I've never once used it and nor do I know of anyone that has lol.
I'm totally not sure if it's a "behind the times" or "ahead of the times" thing!

You gotta remember, touch phones are incredibly expensive. No kid can afford those on their own without generous parents or a part time job. It's much more affordable to just get a standard flip phone from a phone kiosk or store. And many phones are prepaid as well, only those with deep pockets actually have plans.

[KLGChaos]

IR is old stuff, I don't beam contacts these days anymore so I don't know whether it's still available on my Nexus?

In more than 80% of the novels and manga I read, the characters use flip phones. The only one I remember using iPhone was Kirino.

That aside, this episode was okay, I didn't laugh that much. I think the initial part on realizing they have phones dragged out a little, imo.

I actually found the whole phone scene to be the funniest part of the episode. It did drag on a bit, though.

I think what I like about Sena is that her arrogant attitude is obviously a front for her insecurity. She wasn't bashing the cell phones to be mean-- she was doing it because she doesn't have one and felt insecure about being left out. It's a typical tsundereish reaction to the situation. She can go into full dere mode at any time.

And as DXMichael said, Yozora is the one that's holding herself back. It's funny... the Neighbor's Club was started to help people make friends. However, with almost all the members, it isn't that they can't make friends-- it's that they're all just misunderstood people. Yozora seems to be the only one who really can't do it, so she needs the club more than anyone else there. But she allows her personality to get in the way. I'd feel sorry for her if she didn't constantly treat others like crap.

[ookamigirl]

That club of theirs has sure become pretty crowded.
Interesting how exchanging e-mail addresses & phone numbers made them extatic.
Sena was pretty bummed out at first until she got a phone too.
Yozora should work on her people skills.

[Mahou]

LOL, the cell phone discovery was hilarious :D. "You can use it for other things than to call home?" - "I have heard legends of this mysterious infrared feature" just awesome among the other lines. Similar with their shocked realization of how fast the transfer of infrared was. And I have to admit that Yozora was actually quite lovely during her dialogue and first real success in exchanging contact data, I mean just look how blissful they looked. "I think I have really achieved something today". Congratulations to Kodaka :heh:! Though you could basically taste her jealousy when Sena had her happy talk with Kodaka and got "too close" to him physically. It was surprising that no pervy comment from Rika came about Yozora's "You were my first ever!"

Kodaka's scared imagination of how Yukimura made Maria consume all the "healthy" supplements was not bad as well.
@Sena: It was kinda sad to see how she felt left out due to not having a cell phone, so it was logical for me that her tsundere-comment was simply a cover for it.

[Cyz]

Yozora's like a demon. I guess she gets a sense of pleasure of bullying Sena around. Poor Sena has no way to fight back. She tries to but somehow Yozora always get an upper hand. What's really interesting is that Yozora doesn't like anyone getting too close to Kodaka. She doesn't show it but from this episode and from the last, it's obvious that she has *points at the time she's holding a fly swatter*. The last part when she messed Sena's phone, she thought that Kodaka will follow but when Sena begged for Kodaka, of course being the nice guy, he helps. It shows that Yozora's expectations somewhat backfired at her and now she's suffering the consequences - a karma if you might call it. Ah, but it's nice to see Yozora gets a little taste of defeat for once.

[Flawfinder]

Ah, but it's nice to see Yozora gets a little taste of defeat for once.

For once? Besides maybe one or two times, Yozora always pays for her actions. Not to the same degree that Sena does, but still.

[Cyz]

For once? Besides maybe one or two times, Yozora always pays for her actions. Not to the same degree that Sena does, but still.
Like I said, bad karma :heh:. Sena's getting the penalty because of her attitude anyway. Too much pride and "ojousama" air around her.

[blakstealth]

Man, another funny ep. Loved it when Yozora was emphasizing "meat" in front of Sena while on the phone with Kodaka rofl.

[potchip]

You gotta remember, touch phones are incredibly expensive. No kid can afford those on their own without generous parents or a part time job. It's much more affordable to just get a standard flip phone from a phone kiosk or store. And many phones are prepaid as well, only those with deep pockets actually have plans.

To use cellphone in Japan you have to be on a plan...no pre-paid credits as such. Touch phones are becoming common in Japan particularly with the younger crowd.

Amusing no one is dissecting the strange physics when Sena's boobs are concerned yet is analyzing Sena running away crying and the motive behind it. They are the same, it's called fan service. In slapstick comedy when a character gets flattened by a physical hit, do you go and then claim 'gosh that's too much force, what's wrong with this character? Can't you see it's hurting the flattened one too much'? Sena's ego inflates right back just like the flattened character, service time over, the show continues. "Sena's running away because Yozora hurts her feelings" LOLZ.

[Haak]

It's not really Senna that I'm worried about. It's Yozora's character. It's kinda hard to like her when she acts like that.

[Malkuth]

^ Think of it in this way, because of Yozora's heartless and unbound bullying, Sena gets several chances to:
Show off her meat bouncing, while running away in tears, which is both sexy (former) and cute (later) nonetheless...
and run to Kodaka for consolation, pretending (rightfully or not) to be the helpless victim in need for protection, also very cute; as well as very effective, since Kodaka has shown in more than one occasions that is attracted to weak girls in need of white knights.
So considering the results, Yozora pushes Sena to Kodaka's arms, which pisses her off, which makes her more offensive, which pushes Sena even closer... and so goes the vicious circle ;)

[Irenicus]

Ironically, except for the spam at the end which went waaaay too far (that's just not cool, not cool at all), Yozora is pretty likable this episode.

She's all giddy about the cellphone with Kodaka. It's even funnier for me because I felt something similar first time I did the infrared exchange thing.
Sena was pushing Yozora's button with her tsuntsun on cellphones, and Yozora's response wasn't at all overboard. Kinda funny actually.
Rika owned her off-screen with her invincible perversion. It's fun seeing Yozora in defeated mode for once.

[HayashiTakara]

To use cellphone in Japan you have to be on a plan...no pre-paid credits as such. Touch phones are becoming common in Japan particularly with the younger crowd.

Amusing no one is dissecting the strange physics when Sena's boobs are concerned yet is analyzing Sena running away crying and the motive behind it. They are the same, it's called fan service. In slapstick comedy when a character gets flattened by a physical hit, do you go and then claim 'gosh that's too much force, what's wrong with this character? Can't you see it's hurting the flattened one too much'? Sena's ego inflates right back just like the flattened character, service time over, the show continues. "Sena's running away because Yozora hurts her feelings" LOLZ.

Really? Has it changed that much in the last 6yrs? I remember having to pick up a prepaid cell phone last I was there cause it would've cost an arm and a leg using my own phone. Hard to keep up with the times, I'll have to ask my cousin if this is true. :heh:

Anyway boob physics are fine! The more they jiggle the better! XD :heh:

[Flawfinder]

Anyway boob physics are fine! The more they jiggle the better! XD :heh:

While I don't mind the boob physics, I have to say though that some of the gratuitous fanservice shots in this show are really strange. I can't really explain why, but I think the best description I can give is "imagine Animaniacs slipping in an adult joke, only for it to get discovered by the censors instantly".

[HayashiTakara]

While I don't mind the boob physics, I have to say though that some of the gratuitous fanservice shots in this show are really strange. I can't really explain why, but I think the best description I can give is "imagine Animaniacs slipping in an adult joke, only for it to get discovered by the censors instantly".

I don't see how it's strange since the show is littered with tons of fanservice.

[Archon_Wing]

Hey, now. I still use a flip phone too. :heh: I have no interest in phones besides using them to call people-- I pretty much view them with the same disdain as Sena does. :p

Yukimura is the show stealer this episode, being a maid with a bizzare code of honor and making Maria's life terrible. It's a nice break from Yozora and Sena's bickering which is funny in itself, but can get a bit too much. Sena's just frustrated from not having a phone like anyone else, so she spends most of her time making her boobs bounce. She should have totally just bought some expensive phone and mocked people. :heh:

I also laughed at the discussion about forums, for obvious reasons. :D Oh man, they'd totally wreck the internet. ;)

Technology which one isn't acquainted with leads to these strange and fun feelings. It's like "omg this gadget can do what?" That part was well done.

And Yozora might have to learn that that behavior's gonna make matters which will draw sympathy away from her. Or not... Good episode, so 8/10

[Flawfinder]

I don't see how it's strange since the show is littered with tons of fanservice.

Not really sure. Could just be me, personally.

Edit: I think it's because while there's a lot of fanservice thrown into the show, it's usually done in a way where it doesn't distract (like with the Negima manga). However, some of the fanservice shots (like that focus on Yozora's and Sena's chests in Episode 4 after Rika started hugging Kodaka's arm) look out of place to me. Like somebody hired an anime camera man who had a dubious resume. It's not as bad as those low-angle shots you see in a lot of fanservice anime, but it makes Rika's perversion look natural, and I don't think that's a good thing.

[DXMichael]

I don't find the fan service from this anime that bad.

When you compare it to something like Highschool Of The Dead or anything similar, it isn't close to strange XD

Then again, some people aren't that fond when it comes to fan service, so it could lower their expectations of this anime if it's like that.

[Dahak86]

Personally, I think the fanservice in Haganai is pretty low-key. Especially when compared to some other more fanservice-based/driven shows.
unless you wanna consider the annoying "gainaxing" - (with fully-clothed breasts) - as "fanservice" too...

Then again, some people aren't that fond when it comes to fan service, so it could lower their expectations of this anime if it's like that.

as for me, the more the better. :heh:
(but only if done right)

[Shikinami_]

I found it kinda ridiculous how they didnt think of the cellphone idea in the first place....
but OH MY GOSH! Sena was so INCREDIBLY ADORABLE in this episode.

[Shimapan]

I don't find the fan service from this anime that bad.

Same here, nothing wrong with it.
Actually, there's nothing wrong with fanservice as a whole :D

When you compare it to something like Highschool Of The Dead or anything similar, it isn't close to strange XD

Yes, I've seen series with a great deal more fanservice. This here is really very tame in comparison.

Then again, some people aren't that fond when it comes to fan service, so it could lower their expectations of this anime if it's like that.

True, the more puritan folks aren't that fond of fanservice because of their pantsu-phobia ;)

[ion475]

I don't find the fan service from this anime that bad.

Agree. I just don't get it sometimes when people goes "Stupid fanservice anime" just b/c there are soime bouncing boobs. Hack, I don't think there's even any pantsu-shot so far, and the only "true" service is when Kobato run naked into Kodaka a few episodes back (Even then, it's in the novel, so I won't complain at all about it being "random fanservice").

[Shikinami_]

Agree. I just don't get it sometimes when people goes "Stupid fanservice anime" just b/c there are soime bouncing boobs. Hack, I don't think there's even any pantsu-shot so far, and the only "true" service is when Kobato run naked into Kodaka a few episodes back (Even then, it's in the novel, so I won't complain at all about it being "random fanservice").

The only stupid fan service I see is in the opening when Yozora and Sena have their bodies pressed against glass. Other than that, there isn't anything out of the normal that you wouldn't see in real life.

[potchip]

Really? Has it changed that much in the last 6yrs? I remember having to pick up a prepaid cell phone last I was there cause it would've cost an arm and a leg using my own phone. Hard to keep up with the times, I'll have to ask my cousin if this is true. :heh:

Anyway boob physics are fine! The more they jiggle the better! XD :heh:

I don't think pre-paid phones are available to non-residents, everything else comes with contracts, no pre-paid sims. Though there are phone 'rental' services but I did the sums and I might as well use the roaming service instead (and IP phone).

I'm more commenting on how gag behaviour/service is taken as 'personality'. An analogy is to take Team Rocket's tendency to disappear into the horizon as their personality trait of 'like to rocket it' and by extension, this is caused by of how brutally violent Pikachu is.

Reality is, Team rocket doesn't need to rocket it nor is Pikachu a serial killer, but that's the gag of the show.

[FateAnomaly]

My favourite scene is somehow the opening where Kobato changes her mind about going out so nonchalantly.

[Shikinami_]

My favourite scene is somehow the opening where Kobato changes her mind about going out so nonchalantly.

Nonchalantly.....?
It was kinda awkward how she did it xD

[Nihokon]

I just realized that cellphones have such miraculous function.

Anyways a pretty good episode overall, especially because Yozora has more spotlight this time.

Can't wait for the next beach episode.
Judging from the prologue, I guess Yukimura is going to wear bikini instead of trunks...

[Excorsism]

Can't say I understand the fascination behind cellphones. No one ever calls me. ;_;

[risingstar3110]

On Sena and Yozara....

I think Sena's attitude is simply just tsun-tsundere toward Yozara as while she always acts high and mighty in front of Yozara, she always greatly appreciate whatever Yozara did. Her nickname is a clear evidence. And then in ep 6, during the conversation with her father, only Yozara and Kodaka's names were mentioned (the later was there as he already knew her father, making Yozara even more special for her).

While in Yozara's case, it's also kinda tsundere in a more sadistic way. Yozara is really mean sometime, but she treated Sena in quite equal term, comparing with how she does toward Maria or Yukimura. Sena is the real version of her air friend Tomo-chan after all. In a more childish term, she simply enjoyed to tease the girl she 'like', even when it's a bit overdone most of the time (that happens all the time in anime/ manga, right?).

Because of that, if we take out romantic affections, among the main casts, i think only Sena and Yozara are close enough to be considered as "friend" in this show

[Cosmic Eagle]

Really? Has it changed that much in the last 6yrs? I remember having to pick up a prepaid cell phone last I was there cause it would've cost an arm and a leg using my own phone. Hard to keep up with the times, I'll have to ask my cousin if this is true. :heh:



Isn't their phone service basically linked to their Internet?

I wonder how roaming for foreigners works there.....same as everywhere else? Because I remember in the past people going there would rent a phone...

And wow...so many use smart phones here? Mine has no functions besides calling, radio and messaging.....

[Malkuth]

On Sena and Yozara....

I think Sena's attitude is simply just tsun-tsundere toward Yozara as while she always acts high and mighty in front of Yozara, she always greatly appreciate whatever Yozara did. Her nickname is a clear evidence. And then in ep 6, during the conversation with her father, only Yozara and Kodaka's names were mentioned (the later was there as he already knew her father, making Yozara even more special for her).

While in Yozara's case, it's also kinda tsundere in a more sadistic way. Yozara is really mean sometime, but she treated Sena in quite equal term, comparing with how she does toward Maria or Yukimura. Sena is the real version of her air friend Tomo-chan after all. In a more childish term, she simply enjoyed to tease the girl she 'like', even when it's a bit overdone most of the time (that happens all the time in anime/ manga, right?).

Because of that, if we take out romantic affections, among the main casts, i think only Sena and Yozara are close enough to be considered as "friend" in this show

I am thinking of the duo as:
Sena tsundere with a masochistic twist, while
Yozora Kuudere with a sadistic twist.

[risingstar3110]

I am thinking of the duo as:
Sena tsundere with a masochistic twist, while
Yozora Kuudere with a sadistic twist.

Well something like thats except i don't think Sena is quite a masochist. She kept coming to Yozora because she is unconsciously honest when it comes to her dere side. Not because she enjoy the sadistic abuse
Yozora definitely want to train influence her into one through.


And dere here is not so much as in romantic affection, but 'like' as a close friend (despite saying that, i will sell my blood for any slight hints of yuri involving these two through). Wouldn't it be heartwarming if Sena got in some accident or something and turned out OK. Then Yozora just drop out her tsun or kuu mark, all teary and hug her as real friend for once (they always can revert back the next day). Ep 2 with the dating game was quite close, but it was too early for Yozora to giver Sena a shoulder to cry on. My pure guess is, the true route of this anime will all about Yozora and Sena becoming 'friends' as they both specified they want a female 'friend'. And who is better candidate, right?

[Malkuth]

Well something like thats except i don't think Sena is quite a masochist. She kept coming to Yozora because she is unconsciously honest when it comes to her dere side. Not because she enjoy the sadistic abuse
Yozora definitely want to train influence her into one through.

Hm, food for thought... consider also that Sena really enjoyed more Kodaka's scolding her, rather than protecting her during the pool episode, and the general attraction to Yozora... well, I go by the masochist in potentia... she just has to go along with some training to realize and indulge in her true nature ;)

And dere here is not so much as in romantic affection, but 'like' as a close friend (despite saying that, i will sell my blood for any slight hints of yuri involving these two through). Wouldn't it be heartwarming if Sena got in some accident or something and turned out OK. Then Yozora just drop out her tsun or kuu mark, all teary and hug her as real friend for once (they always can revert back the next day). Ep 2 with the dating game was quite close, but it was too early for Yozora to giver Sena a shoulder to cry on. My pure guess is, the true route of this anime will all about Yozora and Sena becoming 'friends' as they both specified they want a female 'friend'. And who is better candidate, right?

Eh :confused: that would be cheap and corny drama... wrong show :p

[Haak]

Hm, food for thought... consider also that Sena really enjoyed more Kodaka's scolding her, rather than protecting her during the pool episode, and the general attraction to Yozora... well, I go by the masochist in potentia... she just has to go along with some training to realize and indulge in het true nature

To be honest that sounds really messed up...


And the reason she enjoyed Kodaka's scolding was becausr she was touched by the fact that he actually cared about her. I don't think it had anything to do with masochism

[Malkuth]

To be honest that sounds really messed up...

Sad but true :heh:

And the reason she enjoyed Kodaka's scolding was becausr she was touched by the fact that he actually cared about her. I don't think it had anything to do with masochism

I would agree, but unfortunately Sena realized it only after getting scolded, not when Kodaka saved her... Also let's not forget how she constantly provokes Yozora, while knowing how it is going to end... well, unless she is blonde... oh! wait she is :p

[Flawfinder]

I actually don't want Yozora and Sena to get along any time soon. I rewatched Episode 00, and that scenario just made me go, "This is wrong". That's right, I would rather prefer Yozora's spam prank to Episode 00's...cuteness?

[Haak]

I would agree, but unfortunately Sena realized it only after getting scolded, not when Kodaka saved her...

:confused:What difference does that make?


Also let's not forget how she constantly provokes Yozora, while knowing how it is going to end... well, unless she is blonde... oh! wait she is :p

I don't think she does it knowing how it will end. Sure she challenges her sometimes and they end up fighting but that usually results in a stalemate. She usually storms out crying when she tries to reach out or tries to feebly dress up a barrier that's preventing her from reaching out, and Yozora exploits her insecurities for all they're worth. The only exception to that at the end of the karaoke episode and i doubt she expected that either.

[Sinestra]

hmm i love how Yozora gets super competitive and verbally abuses Sena. However, i recently noticed that Sena tends to win in the end but only after she runs away. She manages to make Yozora very very jealous but she does so without even trying. Example, like when Yozora uber spammed bot her her cell phone. She was honestly upset and didnt know what to do, it was her first cell phone with friends numbers so she went crying to Kodaka. The result was Yozora getting jealous because her plan backfired horrendously. Seeing the two so close add in the scene after the Karaoke where Sena talks about her dad asking Kodaka to come over and then keeping the reason a secret this was just another punch in the face.

forget both of them give the ecchi genius girl in glasses Rika any day over both of them.

[Malkuth]

:confused:What difference does that make?

Hm, let's see, someone confesses his/her feelings to you and you are apathetic, while someone tells you that you suck, are stupid, useless, worthless, etc. and your heart races like crazy and you follow him or her like an abandoned puppy... well I'll call the first normal and the second potentially a masochist :p

I don't think she does it knowing how it will end. Sure she challenges her sometimes and they end up fighting but that usually results in a stalemate. She usually storms out crying when she tries to reach out or tries to feebly dress up a barrier that's preventing her from reaching out, and Yozora exploits her insecurities for all they're worth. The only exception to that at the end of the karaoke episode and i doubt she expected that either.

Unless Sena proves all stupid jokes about blond chicks true, I'll say that she should have noticed how things tend turn out, when she provokes Yozora :heh:

[Haak]

Hm, let's see, someone confesses his/her feelings to you and you are apathetic, while someone tells you that you suck, are stupid, useless, worthless, etc. and your heart races like crazy and you follow him or her like an abandoned puppy... well I'll call the first normal and the second potentially a masochist :p

She got angry when he rebuked her. It was when he said he cared about her that her heart started to race.



Unless Sena proves all stupid jokes about blond chicks true, I'll say that she should have noticed how things tend turn out, when she provokes Yozora :heh:

Like I said things usually turn out bad when she's trying to make excuses to hide her insecurities, so she doesn't realise she's provoking her.

[risingstar3110]

Eh that would be cheap and corny drama... wrong show
I rather the shows turn into cheap drama for one episode, to at least confirmed their friendship development. Than having Yozora kept teasing Sena , making her running away crying (before return deal some jealousy toward Yozora) for another zillion times.

Actually it will annoy me enough if if we have another moment like that next episode

[Shimapan]

I just realized that cellphones have such miraculous function.

Anyways a pretty good episode overall, especially because Yozora has more spotlight this time.

Can't wait for the next beach episode.
Judging from the prologue, I guess Yukimura is going to wear bikini instead of trunks...

I'd be surprised if Yukimuri didn't wear a bikini - Hideyoshi in BakaTest wore one as well.
Or perhaps they'll let Yukimura wear a girl's school swimsuit XD

While in Yozara's case, it's also kinda tsundere in a more sadistic way. Yozara is really mean sometime...

I'd say Yozora is much more yandere rather than tsundere, with 99% yan and 1% dere XD
Also, she's mean to Sena (almost) all the time, not just "sometimes".

[Chaos2Frozen]

I'd say Yozora is much more yandere rather than tsundere, with 99% yan and 1% dere XD

I can't believe people still don't know what yandere means even though we have the prime example this season with Mirai Nikki -_-

[zeniselv]

chaos is rigth, she has the potential, but havent shown any signs of yandere-ism, for the term of yandere refer to mi signature.

[abc0716]

Quite an amusing episode.

lol @ their discovery of 'new' cellphone technology, and Yozora's '....., NIKU!....., NIKU!' trolling. :heh: :heh: :heh:

[Nihokon]

I'd be surprised if Yukimuri didn't wear a bikini - Hideyoshi in BakaTest wore one as well.
Or perhaps they'll let Yukimura wear a girl's school swimsuit XD


Yukimura will soon be completely removed from the path of Masculinity. :heh:
Not that I mind :p Traps are always welcome

[Shikinami_]

Yukimura will soon be completely removed from the path of Masculinity. :heh:
Not that I mind :p Traps are always welcome

I'm soo confused as what sex Yukimura is....I mean it looks like a girl......but says it's a boy, but then there are such things as pretty boys who like girls or boys that look like girls, or are thought to be girls and then you get mind f***ed and it's actually a boy. Inga from Un-Go for example T_T

I would be incredibly confused if Yukimura wore swim trunks and a then a bikini....

[Shimapan]

I can't believe people still don't know what yandere means even though we have the prime example this season with Mirai Nikki -_-

Don't watch Mirai Nikki, I certainly *do* know what "Yandere" means. From the tvtropes page:

"The character almost always appears perfectly cute and harmless on the surface... but underneath they may be obsessive, controlling, and sometimes just plain insane. Woe to anyone who happens to be the object of their often genuine affection."

If you see Sena as the object of her affection, it would fit very well. Now that she's found friends for the first time, she could've gone all possessive about Sena and turned all Yandere about her.

"There could be a long mental instability, else the girls have always been just a little off."

I'd say that fits Yozora and her "air friend" just well. About her possible future:

"Often eventually goes off the deep end and becomes an Ax Crazy Girl with Psycho Weapon, and that's just fun!"

I could very well see this happening with Yozora. It's just a small step from how abusive she already is towards Sena to involving physical actions. Plus, we already saw she's already heading down that way, with that fly swatter she wanted to use on Sena. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Yozora still becomes more and more extreme in those regards.

[relentlessflame]

"The character almost always appears perfectly cute and harmless on the surface... but underneath they may be obsessive, controlling, and sometimes just plain insane. Woe to anyone who happens to be the object of their often genuine affection."

If you see Sena as the object of her affection, it would fit very well. Now that she's found friends for the first time, she could've gone all possessive about Sena and turned all Yandere about her.Well, that's a rather unconventional interpretation of "yandere", I guess. Perhaps the definition on that page is not sufficiently clear, but suffice it to say I don't think Yozora qualifies at all as a yandere character. I don't think there's any evidence that Yozora's behaviour is a sign of this sort of obsessive devotion towards Sena, and this isn't quite the "nuance" that is typically associated with yandere characters. Yandere is more like "extreme jealousy", and these characters typically direct their violence towards those who get in their way, or the object of their affection if they're betrayed (that's the key trigger). Otherwise, they're typically kind and pleasant towards everyone, putting on a good front to hide what's underneath. Suffice it to say that Yozora has never hidden her true nature, and her attitude hasn't been restricted only to Sena in a way that suggests this behaviour pattern.

All in all, I think that this is rather extreme reading of her character (and an arguably incorrect understanding of the archetype), and doesn't really fit what was portrayed in the show.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Don't watch Mirai Nikki, I certainly *do* know what "Yandere" means. From the tvtropes page:

"The character almost always appears perfectly cute and harmless on the surface... but underneath they may be obsessive, controlling, and sometimes just plain insane. Woe to anyone who happens to be the object of their often genuine affection."

If you see Sena as the object of her affection, it would fit very well. Now that she's found friends for the first time, she could've gone all possessive about Sena and turned all Yandere about her.

"There could be a long mental instability, else the girls have always been just a little off."

I'd say that fits Yozora and her "air friend" just well. About her possible future:

"Often eventually goes off the deep end and becomes an Ax Crazy Girl with Psycho Weapon, and that's just fun!"

I could very well see this happening with Yozora. It's just a small step from how abusive she already is towards Sena to involving physical actions. Plus, we already saw she's already heading down that way, with that fly swatter she wanted to use on Sena. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Yozora still becomes more and more extreme in those regards.


Basically what relentlessflame said.

I'll keep this simple; True Yandere are nice and perfect and friendly on the outside, that alone already disqualifies Yozora for Yandere status.

Every thing else you said feels forced, like jamming a cube through a triangle hole and say it fits.

[Rethice]

I fell behind a bit on BwT so I was a bit late to see this episode.

Not much to say apart from the fact I'm glad to see the last two episodes have picked up again and continued at, or at least near, the quality of the first 4 episodes.

Somehow the introduction of all the other girls has not ruined it like I feared, and they act as good background characters to juxtaposition the love triangle of Sena, Yozora and Kodaka.

As a constant shipper, I'm surprised I haven't been able to choose between Yozora and Sena as the one I feel Kodaka should be with, though Sena is my favourite character. it is inevitable as a harem anime that he won't end up with either, so I suppose it saves me from disappointment this way. :p

Also, does anybody have a copy of the image at the end of the episode, with all the girls talking to their hands like phones around Kodaka? Really like the art in that picture, if I can find it in high enough res I might use it as a background. :) EDIT- Nevermind, found it here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3869817#post3869817) in a low res. :)

[Nihokon]

I'm soo confused as what sex Yukimura is....I mean it looks like a girl......but says it's a boy, but then there are such things as pretty boys who like girls or boys that look like girls, or are thought to be girls and then you get mind f***ed and it's actually a boy. Inga from Un-Go for example T_T

I would be incredibly confused if Yukimura wore swim trunks and a then a bikini....

Yukimura has bumps on his chest when he wears bikini in both prologue and OP.
I wouldn't be surprised if a "shocking" revelation would tell that he's actually a "she".
Actually, it'd be great if that were the case. KodakaxYukimura would be a healthy pairing.

[Shimapan]

Yukimura has bumps on his chest when he wears bikini in both prologue and OP.
I wouldn't be surprised if a "shocking" revelation would tell that he's actually a "she".
Actually, it'd be great if that were the case. KodakaxYukimura would be a healthy pairing.

Rika would probably say that Kodaka x Yukimura is only a healthy pairing if Yukimura is male XD

[risingstar3110]

Rika would probably say that Kodaka x Yukimura is only a healthy pairing if Yukimura is male XD
Of course 'she' is male. Can't you see how manly Yukimura is even under those maid outfits...? :p

[GenjiChan]

Of course 'she' is male. Can't you see how manly Yukimura is even under those maid outfits...? :p

Yes, he is. What bothers me is until when will he act like "that". I beginning to doubt he is a man "emotionally". I might bet that Yukimura would do anything to prove himself as a man... even.. even dressing as a girl and kssing Kodaka...!!!!! AHHH!!!!:upset:

[Hooves]

Of course Yukimura is manly enough already! She....He already took the task of wearing a maid outfit, and especially calling Kodaka aniki to show how manly she.....he has gotten.

[Shimapan]

Of course Yukimura is manly enough already! She....He already took the task of wearing a maid outfit, and especially calling Kodaka aniki to show how manly she.....he has gotten.

Yes, playing imouto makes him very manly indeed :D
I wonder what other manly costomes she/he/it will still wear.

[DXMichael]

Yes, playing imouto makes him very manly indeed :D
I wonder what other manly costomes she/he/it will still wear.

Bunny/Cat outfit would be nice :heh:

[chaos_animagic]

Man... am I behind on times...

I too don't use a cell phone except for calling Home...

Zero Contact List.

Uses a cell phone from 10 years ago...

LOL....