Licensed Koi to Senkyo to Chocolate (Love, Election, and Chocolate) [Archive] - Page 2

Rayrah

2012-07-13, 09:21

That was much better than first episode. I was pleasantly surprised to see Chisato not hit Oojima after he groped her. I didn't expect him to kick her off her bed like that, either. :heh:

Lol, I played the dream sequence like 5 times. Especially at around 3:04 when Chisato asks for him to reach out; chib!Chisato is just too darn cute. Bob head to one side, reach out her hands, bob head to other side while closing eyes? Show is gonna kill me with moe overdose lol.
Heh, so I wasn't the only one. I feel like watching it again now.. (and maybe even making an avatar or two..)

Hm, while this episode definitely did ship Chisato with Oojima, I think she may just be central to the plot (her.. dislike(?) of chocolate + the fact that 'chocolate' is in the title of the show'). I think getting Chisato to deal with her chocolate related problem may be what all of the routes have in common in the V/N? (I haven't played it or read any spoilers about it; just simply guessing here)

Having said that, I'd love to see Oojima end up with Chisato.. but.. Satsuki is fine, too. Oh well. If he does end up with Chisato, I'll make sure to comfort Satsuki in her time of sorrow. :heh: Dem hips, man. Dem hips.

Did anybody else notice that the underside of Chisato's hair is a little.. green? s:

ookamigirl

2012-07-13, 09:48

Flashback to their childhood was sweet.
So their club will be shut down if they don't run for and win the elections.
No surprise they were pushing Yuuki to run for student council president.
Those girls sure like their club, but I it's no wonder ^^
Oojima seriously lacked resolve and motivation.
Shinonome made a difference and managed to persuade him to fight.

D-KLAC

2012-07-13, 11:06

so this ep yuki tried to get not be run for president after some wonder & talks from females, head of the financial affairs department, & current pres.

well give wonder speech & talks who snack club to run for pres it end up back to yuki for pres.

give seeing yet more hmm like chisato's bit hmm on chocolate & etc hmm on it.

Cosmic Eagle

2012-07-13, 11:52

What can I say, I love how cute this show is...the childhood part with Chisato..so sweet.

Beggar

2012-07-13, 13:03

blakstealth

2012-07-13, 13:37

Why didn't any of them even consider running for student council president themselves when the mc didn't show up and they were trying to find other solutions?
They must have not really wanted the job they were trying to push on the mc.I mentioned this in a previous page. They're probably all assholes.

I really enjoyed this ep. We finally get some Satsuki (good gawd hnngggg) interaction, who seems like a pretty cool gu-..girl. I also loved that scene with both Bowjima and Chisato in bed and the one near the end when she got all embarrassed during the speech. That was pretty adorable.

Lord of Fire

2012-07-13, 16:07

So, exactly what is Chisato's problem with chocolate? I doubt she's allergic to it, but that she has some underlying psychological problem that prevents her from eating it. Maybe that dream sequence really happened and she can't eat the stuff anymore, because he seems to have forgotten the promise he made her back then?

And Oojima is a genuine chick magnet.

Silverwyrm

2012-07-13, 16:32

First ep she rides him, this time she gets in his bed and lets him grope her (obviously liking it if I may add, finally, mc doesn't get punched for it). This girl isn't gonna play tsundere with him it seems XD.

Seems to be some bigger underlying issue with the chocolate.

asdffdsa

2012-07-13, 17:24

Nvis

2012-07-13, 17:32

Why does dude only one that sees the propeller and the mask(guy)?

Silverwyrm

2012-07-13, 17:38

For anyone who has played the VN, does this seem to be following Chisato's route? Out of all of the characters, I like her the best. Also, childhood friend rarely wins ;_; , please let this be an exception for once.

Yes I like her too, she is similar but different from other childhood friend characters at the same time. I find her pretty refreshing.

relentlessflame

2012-07-13, 18:43

For anyone who has played the VN, does this seem to be following Chisato's route? Out of all of the characters, I like her the best. Also, childhood friend rarely wins ;_; , please let this be an exception for once.
To answer your question specifically would require game spoilers, and you'll have to go to the game thread to ask for that.

That said, I can say one thing about the game structure that isn't a spoiler (but I'll put it in spoiler tags just in case anyone wants to be extra safe).

Keep in mind that almost all VNs have a Common Route that branches into heroine routes eventually, and this game is essentially no different in that regard. So I think even game players can't really do much more than speculate at this early juncture.If you had asked me to speculate beforehand based on the promo material for this show, I would have speculated that the anime producers are trying to sort of set-up a rivalry/triangle with Satsuki and Chisato. But that's not really based on the game or anything else, just the way they promoted it in on posters and the like. I'm not sure that I can really either prove or disprove that theory/supposition at this point. I think we'll need more episodes to see how things go.

Edit: Other than that, regarding the first two episodes in general, I like the way things flow from one thing to the other. Even though they're hurrying to introduce as many elements as possible, it feels fairly well-paced. And Yuuki, as a main character, has a fair bit of personality; you can see why they all voted for him at the end of the episode, since he has a lot more charisma than he realizes.

lansglenn

2012-07-13, 18:46

I love girls that teases and freely gives it. +1 for the childhood friend route.

Iron Maw

2012-07-13, 19:14

She was, though. :0

But Satsuki is in the OP, right? Like 40 seconds after the OP starts, and she looked over to the trio near the end of it.

Hmm.. well I was half a sleep when I watched it so I wouldn't be surprised if missed her. Sounds like she was barely there anyway. [/pessimism]

Looks like someone ordered an extra large serving of 'Bumping into Bishoujos' this episode :heh:

At least Oojima showed some 'variety' in dealing with these traditional situations :heh:

Oojima being one of few harem leads who seemingly isn't completely obvious to attention he get from girls is why I like him better than others of his kind.

Why didn't any of them even consider running for student council president themselves when the mc didn't show up and they were trying to find other solutions?
They must have not really wanted the job they were trying to push on the mc.

Considering how "serious business" the school politics are going by the first episode, I wouldn't want to either. :uhoh:

Khu

2012-07-13, 19:53

The pairing is strong in this one.

GenjiChan

2012-07-13, 20:55

The pairing is strong in this one.

Definitely, though there are threats of being attracted by the other girl, I bet our lead guy will not give up on his Chisato that easily. They're one of the best pairs this season.

KyriaL

2012-07-13, 21:29

He has a harem, but still goes out to look for more? You don't see that everyday.

00Coyote

2012-07-13, 22:44

http://i.imgur.com/G8Wdc.gif
This and the dream sequence were cute scenes.

TurkeyPotPie

2012-07-13, 23:09

Ugh, the professor character really gets on my nerves. I know her speech patterns are supposed to be cute, but on someone that old it's very annoying.

Kyuu

2012-07-14, 04:18

OK. It took an image of a boob grabbing scene for me to even want to check this series out. Just sayin'... :heh:

@GEMC

2012-07-14, 04:43

If you had asked me to speculate beforehand based on the promo material for this show, I would have speculated that the anime producers are trying to sort of set-up a rivalry/triangle with Satsuki and Chisato. But that's not really based on the game or anything else, just the way they promoted it in on posters and the like. I'm not sure that I can really either prove or disprove that theory/supposition at this point. I think we'll need more episodes to see how things go.

I agree
I like them to do a love triangle of chisato and satsuki well I vote for satsuki more cause sometime I don't like childhood friend character:D:D:D:D

Lord of Fire

2012-07-14, 05:42

I agree
I like them to do a love triangle of chisato and satsuki well I vote for satsuki more cause sometime I don't like childhood friend character:D:D:D:D

I wouldn't mind childhood friends, if most of them weren't so annoying and pushy. For some reason, they think that because they've known the guy for a long time, they automatically are first in line to marry him. Heaven forbid him dating another girl. And if the guy made a marriage promise back when he was 4, she'll hold onto that promise forever, because 4-year-olds can apparently make completely rational decisions.

OceanBlue

2012-07-14, 06:41

To my pleasant surprise, not a boring episode.
Not that I dare to say it was interesting either, but well... Makes you feel the importance of voice actors...
Looks like the childhood friend character is at the top right now, but she doesn't seem to have that much of a lead. It would be interesting if she lost though, despite seeming like the main heroine so far. But being a childhood friend is such a lose flag, so in that way, it wouldn't be surprising.

I liked the weird dance by the professor character though. :heh:

I'm glad to see that someone made the dance their avatar, or at least just made it a GIF :heh:.

Such a cute episode. Chisato is really adorable, although I like Isara's design better. I'm kinda surprised they spent an entire episode to establish his motivation towards being a candidate, but I guess the character introductions were the underlying main point for this episode.

blakstealth

2012-07-14, 07:24

http://i.imgur.com/G8Wdc.gif
This and the dream sequence were cute scenes.b'awwwww~ x3

Khu

2012-07-14, 08:30

I am now rewatching this episode for the Chisato.

;o

Mura

2012-07-14, 10:17

Hopefully Michiru gets some more attention in one of these episodes. I find her reactions very cute and would like to know more about her. Favorite girl thus far for me.:D

Candyshark

2012-07-14, 10:36

Well Isara, Michiru and Mifuyu are still around. So would not count them out.

Imagine Chisato was his alarm clock all these years. Wouldn't mind it to become running gag of the series.

Ddraig

2012-07-14, 10:49

So far I dont like how this is going already with too much screen time with Chisato that kinda tell us that she will end up being the winner at the end. Childhood friend end up as lover is too common and predictable in anime that I feel sick of watching it. It just make us who cheer for other girls feel that is pointless and should not waste time.

Chaos2Frozen

2012-07-14, 10:56

It's entirely conceivable that they will keep on the straight path of the Chisato route without making any other girls fall for Oojima, hence sparing them any heartbreak.

asdffdsa

2012-07-14, 11:12

I don't understand where this idea comes from that childhood friends win too frequently. My experience has been the complete opposite. In fact I thought the trope (for anime at least) was that the childhood friend always loses.

Pocari_Sweat

2012-07-14, 13:20

Episode 2 was an improvement from the first episode, but it was still very annoying. The camera is as in your face as you can get - I lost count at the number of shots that involved boob grabbing, boob jiggling, boob zooms, ass zooms and that really annoying censorship scene that was similar to the one in ep1. And there was that ever cliche scene of the MC bumping into characters, one of them being a heroine. This happened not once but I counted at least 3 times. It feels like this series is deliberately trying to fit in as many cliches and be generic as possible to the point it's almost a parody, but I highly doubt that.

Regardless, I do know how VN adaptations work and that you have to watch most with with "low expectations" and that shipping is pretty much a requirement. So I lay down my preferring shipping pair and that is Satsuki, the Finance Commissioner. I like her both looks wise and personality. I also don't mind Mifuyu and Isara. So if the series hints at shipping any of these three, I'll be content and I'll likely continue.

However, if the series decides to ship Chisato I will drop this faster than a bullet. Or any of the two mega annoying lolis from the Food Research Club, but I doubt that will be the case.

Hoping it drastically improves after the common route is over. All these cliches are starting to heavily weigh down on me... and it'll be such a shame to drop this series because the art is really nice!

DragoonKain3

2012-07-14, 13:34

I don't understand where this idea comes from that childhood friends win too frequently.
Statistics derived not just from a sample of anime, but from VIRTUALLY ALL anime made in the digital distribution age (yes I have that much free time). 2011 alone for example has somewhere in the high 70's in percentage win (unusually high that it even surprised me), and IIRC from 2000-2011 the average is somewhere in high 60's (good rule of thumb is 1 lose:2 wins)

My experience has been the complete opposite.
You haven't experienced enough. :p

In fact I thought the trope (for anime at least) was that the childhood friend always loses.
Common misconception that really grates my nerves, considering THE reason I have anime as my 'waste my time' medium of choice IS because childhood friend wins more often than not there. Very glaring when you compare it to western stuff, where childhood friend has close to zero win.

chaos_animagic

2012-07-14, 17:50

What interest me is...

Why does the school not allow a student to join clubs if they're in a scholarship program?

Usually schools encourage any student to join clubs to improve the social standing of the school...

Tho this is Japanese School... might be related to how most schools get their funds from rich people...

Ravenblitz

2012-07-14, 21:13

http://i.imgur.com/xeRx7l.jpg (http://imgur.com/xeRx7)

GenjiChan

2012-07-14, 22:21

Candyshark

2012-07-15, 10:47

Even though romcoms and harems are 90% about cute girls, fanservice and embarassments.
Personaly I still need parallel plot to lead romance development. Koichoco has few threads that can be interesting if handled right or bomb horribly.

That is the reasoning behind my rankings. Mifuyu and Satsuki.

To all childhood friend shipper for all we know Mifuyu could also fufill that role. We saw their small perfomance, Yuki didn't have any problems to hug and say "I love you" to Mifuyu which is good indicator they are pretty confortable with each other. That also can sprout some drama. Satsuki is their "enemy" plus she has hot sis who is club's surpivisor-freeloader. Michiru looks like a mascot-kitty replacement. Isara who knows what is going on there. Chisato some emotinal drama. All in all anime has few hints to keep me watching.

Valky

2012-07-15, 13:49

This series is probably the one that I like the most so far. Probably because the animation, the songs and bgm, and the story so far is pretty good. The other running series are kinda betraying my expectations, so far.

Anyways, looking forward to the next episode.

DragoonKain3

2012-07-15, 17:55

To all childhood friend shipper for all we know Mifuyu could also fufill that role.
Mifuyu definitely has shown some signs, considering how comfortable the trio are with each other.

That said, Mi-chan seems conspicuously absent in all flashbacks so far, and she doesn't seem to be aware of Chisato's aversion to choco. Something tells me that they met Mi-chan during middle school if anything. So while friends since middle school evokes the same kind of emotions from me as childhood friends, Japan technically excludes them from the term osananajimi.

So I personally don't mind a Chi-chan or Mi-chan ending, though right now I VASTLY prefer Chisato due to that scene at 3:04. I swear, I must have watched it at least 30 times.... and goddamit, I wanna watch it again now. BRB

GenjiChan

2012-07-15, 18:01

..... though right now I VASTLY prefer Chisato due to that scene at 3:04. I swear, I must have watched it at least 30 times.... and goddamit, I wanna watch it again now. BRB

I did it only four times... reading the exact lines... and jump to the ending in the room with the chocolate. I think Chisato deserves every chances to be with Yuki. Seeing the two "do" each other.. melts my hearts..:heehee:

DragoZERO

2012-07-15, 20:59

Episode two was good. Plenty of LOLs and some good classy fan service.

The worst part of all this is I can't pick a girl. They are all awesome in their own way.

Shimapan

2012-07-15, 21:00

OK. It took an image of a boob grabbing scene for me to even want to check this series out. Just sayin'... :heh:

Now if that isn't the best reason ever :D
Really liked that she didn't hit him after he fondled her. Big plus for Chisato :D
The series still has other good stuff on top of that.

GenjiChan

2012-07-15, 21:01

Now if that isn't the best reason ever :D
Really liked that she didn't hit him after he fondled her. Big plus for Chisato :D
The series still has other good stuff on top of that.

Glad she didn't slap him.....:heh:

Master_Yoma

2012-07-15, 21:30

Why dose Chisato hate chocolate and she dosent mind when Oojima grab her boob :heh:

Kimidori

2012-07-15, 22:04

Why dose Chisato hate chocolate

i think there might be some backstory about it

she dosent mind when Oojima grab her boob :heh:

and even seem to enjoy it :heh:

asdffdsa

2012-07-15, 22:26

Damn. This two is the best couple!!!! The childhood flash back nearly fainted me. Its so sweet!!! :heehee::heehee::heehee:
I say behind their constant argument. The feeling is there. They're actually comfortable with each other.
It didn't end up there, look at the ending!!! I want Yuki to grab Chiato and kiss her already!!!:blush::blush::blush:

Right there with ya! If it's indeed going to follow her route, I can't wait for the moment in which he comes to realize his feelings. I hope they do a good job of building up to it :smile:

DragoonKain3

2012-07-15, 22:48

Why dose Chisato hate chocolate and she dosent mind when Oojima grab her boob :heh:
The first part is million dollar question of the series. So only the game players would know, and I don't think the anime is going to reveal it any time soon.

As for the second part... yeah, inconsistent reaction with last episode's 'awakened' protagonist, if you know what I mean. But then again, she pretty much instigated this time around, so it's nice to know she just doesn't thwack MC every time he does something H.

GenjiChan

2012-07-16, 21:29

Why dose Chisato hate chocolate and she dosent mind when Oojima grab her boob :heh:

First, I don't know. Its probably about something in the past. I bet Yuki knows it coz... he is affected when Chisato goes lonely. Kiss her now, YUki no baka!!!!

Second. She's used to it... Probably thankful coz the massage made her boobs big.... seriously she's used to it and there childhood friends. No malice for her..

MisaoFan

2012-07-17, 13:52

Imagine Chisato was his alarm clock all these years. Wouldn't mind it to become running gag of the series.

Well, that's pretty possible, until something bad and dramatic will happens...:cool:

Flower

2012-07-17, 14:36

Ep 2 was pretty enjoyable. :)

Nothing overwhelming or anything like that, but nice.

Oh, and the ED is kinda pretty too....

GenjiChan

2012-07-17, 20:46

I'm still curious whats the title of the inserted song on the opening scenes....

Midonin

2012-07-17, 20:59

I'm still curious whats the title of the inserted song on the opening scenes....
It was given in the ending credits as "Hello Mellow" (ハローメロウ) by Annabel. It's not the B-side to the OP single, so I don't know when it will be released.

hyl

2012-07-17, 21:04

It was given in the ending credits as "Hello Mellow" (ハローメロウ) by Annabel. It's not the B-side to the OP single, so I don't know when it will be released.

Atleast the B-side track "Step ahead" is used as the Koichoco's psp opening.

APleN9s7nJU

edit: one site mentioned that the b-track is step ahead though, so i am not entirely sure if it's true

GenjiChan

2012-07-17, 21:14

It was given in the ending credits as "Hello Mellow" (ハローメロウ) by Annabel. It's not the B-side to the OP single, so I don't know when it will be released.

Damn... can;t wait

Midonin

2012-07-17, 21:16

dit: one site mentioned that the b-track is step ahead though, so i am not entirely sure if it's true
Your information was correct. (http://www.lantis.jp/release-item.php?id=173312a2934fe4b4971c302cf74a04f1)

Candyshark

2012-07-18, 11:57

Damn! That's some dakimakura at the end of the clip. I like how they take out risky stuff out of psp version but from other merchandises.

Been spinning chara song for a while especially Michuru and Satsuki. Hopefully anime version will be as good.

tsunade666

2012-07-18, 12:59

I just finished episode 02.

Another enjoyable episode for me. He manage to find his reason by meeting to people who will be deeply connected to him if he went through presidency. A good rival and supporter.

Their club activities are indeed just waste of funds and time and also facility. They aren't really doing any club activities that will give them value or achievement. At most they are like social circles or just like what Satsuki describe and use as a comparison for them.

And Oojima dig his own grave when he give that awesome speech.

What's the deal with the chocolate? I haven't seen any hit yet pertaining to it but it looks like she doesn't want it or its not allowed to her to eat. Allergy perhaps?

hyl

2012-07-18, 13:03

The chocolate thing will be told later as a plot point. So i don't think it's needed to inquire too much about it so soon. :)

Shimapan

2012-07-18, 18:56

Why dose Chisato hate chocolate and she dosent mind when Oojima grab her boob :heh:

No complaints here :D
In my opinion, that's much better than if it was the other way round ;)

GenjiChan

2012-07-18, 19:06

No complaints here :D
In my opinion, that's much better than if it was the other way round ;)

What will she grab then?:eyespin:;)

MisaoFan

2012-07-19, 07:20

What will she grab then?:eyespin:;)

How about Chisato grabbing a girl's boobs during girls' conversation ? I'll imagine it as a new joke for me !

As far episode 3 goes :
A black haired guy named Yakumo establishes a strategy towards the Cooking Club students, asking if Yuki could enter in the election as a opponent or not, and everyone agrees. On the other side, Satsuki is facing against her older sister's motivations while Yuki is invited by the latter for a little conversation. The next episode will take place in a school trip and focuses on Isara.

Midonin

2012-07-19, 13:24

And now, the politics commence! About half the episode was taken up by political strategizing, but I'm actually fairly interested in hearing what they had to say. I know using the girls in the club was part of it, at least. Yuki probably does stand a chance, but I wonder what it would do for his campaign if everyone knew he was getting friendly with Satsuki. (Besides Chisato, her reaction was spelled out pretty clearly.) That silent moment at the end does raise a lot of questions, both with Hazuki and Michiru looking up at her harmonica. As long as the rest of the food club is around, I don't think the atmosphere will become too heavy, but things are heating up, for sure.

hyl

2012-07-19, 13:31

That silent moment at the end does raise a lot of questions, both with Chisato's mother and Michiru looking up at her harmonica. As long as the rest of the food club is around, I don't think the atmosphere will become too heavy, but things are heating up, for sure.

I am pretty sure it was just Hazuki that Yuuki was with at the end of the episode, not Chisato's mother.

Midonin

2012-07-19, 13:34

My mistake.

GenjiChan

2012-07-19, 19:26

How about Chisato grabbing a girl's boobs during girls' conversation ? I'll imagine it as a new joke for me !

I meant,what will Chisato grab on Yuki? if "its the other way around".:heh::eyespin:

Silverwyrm

2012-07-20, 05:10

As for the second part... yeah, inconsistent reaction with last episode's 'awakened' protagonist, if you know what I mean. But then again, she pretty much instigated this time around, so it's nice to know she just doesn't thwack MC every time he does something H.

I'm going with she's just scared of Willy....

MisaoFan

2012-07-20, 06:08

I hope the love triangle match between Yuki, Chisato and Satsuki will start so soon, but I couldn't spoil it more.

OceanBlue

2012-07-20, 06:12

It looks like they're going to spend half of each episode advancing the election plot and the other half resolving character conflicts. There were definitely a lot of hints being thrown around and a lot of sidestories being set up this episode.

I wonder if Chisato knows that he cooks for Hazuki. Hazuki and Yuuki seem pretty intimate, which is pretty strange. I'm definitely liking Hazuki a lot more after this episode, though, because of how she shows concern for the club and because I feel like we've seen more of her as a character. The scene with her and Satsuki was pretty poorly paced and out-of-nowhere though :heh:.

It seems that Isara is getting screentime next episode. Hopefully, she can become involved in the plot, since she's my favorite design-wise :heh:. I'm also curious about the rest of the haremettes and what will happen with them. Morishima already seems like an interesting character. Stalkers are always interesting, after all, and the fact that she and the Student Council President seem to have some history is pretty nice too.

Overall, although this isn't the most well executed anime, I feel like they do a really good job in making me interested in each character's issues. Sometimes, the way they introduce the issues are jarring, but the fact that they don't throw it all at once at you and resolve in the same breath is really nice. I'm really interested in seeing how each character is connected with each other and what sort of drama will occur between them. Having it between a couple of characters is definitely more interesting than just between the main character and the heroine, in my opinion.
I wrote a lot more than I thought I would for this episode. I'm really liking it a lot more than I expected to. It's not technically amazing, nor does it have an interesting gimmick, but I already really like the characters a lot. I also love how energetic the OP is. This show and its characters are just a lot of fun :heh:.

Edit: Well, now that I think about it, the protagonist trying to participate in an election to become part of the Legendary Student Council is a pretty good hook :heh:.

DXMichael

2012-07-20, 07:33

Episode 3.

That teacher is really chugging down those beers. How is she still sobar? :heh:

That was a smart plan they came up with to gain the support of the other clubs that are being threatened with budget cuts of disbandment. It's just too bad the actual club couldn't come up with it themselves :p But I guess everyone needs help with something every once in a while. Also, using the female club members to make the request to male clubs to vote for them and get signatures? Such deviousness, yet brilliant :p

However, this anime gave many hints that we should be suspicious of President Mouri, so things aren't going to end well one way or another :p

Ahh! That was quite the tease they gave me. I seriously thought Chisato was giving him a kiss when they were resting on the bench. Gah, don't tease me! :heh:

Speaking of Chisato, still no clues to why she hates cohoclate. I'm expecting something like "Chocolate killed my parents" which would cause me to facepalm :heh: Nah, i'm expecting some sort of suitable reason soon enough :p

D-KLAC

2012-07-20, 07:39

ep.3

ok then now got tomoya 2.0 in run for pres but what to do?

here close eyes pres coming in to help give teacher & some has feeling he up to something give hmm for now with let him help in.

while drunk teacher ask her sister who challenge tomoya 2.0 in pres race is for personal or school reasons give answer for school yet also aim higher than her sister teacher.

yep also chisato went coffee can wild on it about tomoya's other girls & seem more going on it hmm what next?

ookamigirl

2012-07-20, 07:41

Campaign mode on!
It's cool how even Yakkun is helping out the campaign.
Seems like Yuuki has a pretty strong support so far.
Their elections seems to be on a pretty high level.
The way they were talking about it was like it was real politics.
These elections and Yukki running for president is more like he's doing Yakkun a favor by not letting the competition win and at the same time saving his club.
Yakkun sure is a smooth guy who knows exactly how to turn things into an advantage.
Looks like Yuuki has a thing for Shinonome. Wonder how that's gonna effect the elections later on..

DragoonKain3

2012-07-20, 07:57

WTF, protagonist is THAT close to sensei? Is there something you're not telling us.... >_>

Speaking of Sensei, colour me surprised that her and Ms. Rival have different mothers considering they look like a person and their younger self.

And oh yeah, Ms. Rival rears her ugly head again. Yuuki, you must not fall into the dark side!

All that said, I think the Senkyo part was the strongest part of this episode. It's really interesting how these people are putting in effort on the campaign, though what's the purpose of the other male in the club, I can not say.

Haak

2012-07-20, 09:47

Wow...he just totally buried his face in his teacher's chest didn't he? Narmiest moment of the series right there...

No Matsuri cameo made this episode crap for me. If there's none next episode then I might as well drop the show already.

novalysis

2012-07-20, 10:05

I don't see that hug as narm, but yet another hint that there's something under the surface that we , the viewers are not privileged to. The sudden tonal shift at the end, from light-heartedly domestic to melancholic does not seem so much clumsy writing, but rather, a deliberate choice to flag that there's something up about their relationship, and there's backstory we'd like to know more.

It's the same with Chisato and the Chocolates. Infact, it seems that a good proportion of the food club members have interesting backstories. In part, it's because this anime makes it blatantly clear that we are dropped In Media Res, and NONE of the characters are Blank Slates with sketchy pasts, which would be what we expect to see from a.. more generic harem. In-fact, I am hesitant to call this Harem, to be honest - the MC's relations with the Food Club, with the exception of Chisato seem to be at the Platonic Level, at most.

And President Mouri.... yes. The fact that we SHOULD feel suspicious of him indeed adds to the political angle of the show. Of course, we don't have a full picture what's exactly going on behind the scenes, but the VERY opening scene of the anime again hints.

Finally, I'm glad that Chocolate chooses to focus more on politics this time round. What Chocolate needs to be more than average would be a very close focus on characterization (Sensei got quite a good deal, so did Chisato ), and above all, a focus on the political angle. If the gender balance in the Food Club was more even, I think people would be taking this anime more seriously- unfortunately, the sheer number of females throws this into the unfortunate "harem" box. The problem is, with a One Cour count, and the number of hints they are throwing, I fear Chocolate would remain just that: a mass of tantalizing hints, but no denouement.

If Chocolate was treated as a harem it'd be a rather boring one. If it was treated as Political Commentary warped around in a Significant Slice of (Unusual) Elite School Life, that's where it starts getting more interesting. I'd say the same for the other milder Harem airing, Imouto too- if one looks at both animes beyond their Harem aspects, it becomes much more enjoyable, and interesting to watch.

Rather than simply condemning certain sections as Narm, I think scenes like the Hug do happen for reasons we the viewers have not yet and may never see because of the In Media Res manner where we are dropped ontop of ongoing character development whose origins were not shown. Is it frustrating? Maybe, but what do you expect out of a One Cour anyway?

Avaricia

2012-07-20, 11:05

Why did Yuuki said Mom when Chisato emailed him on where he is atm?

ars89

2012-07-20, 11:22

Interesting that the Yakumo is helping the club out to get Yuuki elected. Satsuki really dislikes her sister for some reason. Wonder why Yuuki was at Hazuki's place at the end, but it certainly changed the tone again like with Chisato and the chocolate last ep. Also Michiru with the harmonica looked sad.

Haak

2012-07-20, 11:23

hyl

2012-07-20, 11:31

Why did Yuuki said Mom when Chisato emailed him on where he is atm?

Haven't you seen how Chisato reacted when Yuuki was with Satsuki? Try to imagine how he could ever explain this to her.

flack

2012-07-20, 12:21

That breast hugging scene was just not normal same as the bloody incident at the beginning of this anime. There is something going on, something darker probably...

GoddyofAus

2012-07-20, 13:28

Dude, he has the opportunity to shack it up with the hot teacher? Fuck yes, Okazaki 2.0 is rockin it.

Enternal

2012-07-20, 14:04

Dude, he has the opportunity to shack it up with the hot teacher? Fuck yes, Okazaki 2.0 is rockin it.

However he does not seem to be interested at all because no matter the teasing from Hadzuki, he was not shocked or flustered at all and easily brushed it off. Hadzuki sighing after he left was also interesting. That whole scene between Yukki and Hadzuki is just rather surprising though.

Satsuki... lol I did not really expect her to get so close to Yuuki so quickly. She definitely seems to be enjoying talking with Yuuki even though he's the opponent. I'm definitely liking her more and more. What I love about this episode so far is the details of the scenes. If we were not shown Satsuki all happy and giggling right after she saw Yukki a ways off, I would have started to be suspicious of her motives of getting closer to Yuuki. However since we were shown that, it shows that she genuinely enjoys Yuuki's company as well.

Satsuki's relationship with Hadzuki is interesting as well. During that scene, I did not feel any hatred really. There's something else to it and not only that, they looked rather sad than angry or hate. Might be more of a family issue rather than just a thing between those two.

Chisato! That "monster" scene of hers was so funny! Love how Yukki tossed the coffee can and she ran after that as well. Also love the fact that she said that Yukki really is precious to her hehe.

The whole politics angle in the first half of the show is also pretty cool. I already liked President Mouri and now like him more because he seems to be really smooth about it (and of course we still don't fully understand his motive yet).

Flower

2012-07-20, 14:26

I was (pleasantly) surprised with the series story becoming a bit more serious in ep 3. Hmm. Am looking forward to the next ep....

blakstealth

2012-07-20, 16:29

After taking AP Gov't and Politics, I definitely appreciate the politics portion that this series has. The whole student gov't stuff is really taken seriously; and it's just not some student council either. Hazuki also mentioned how the teachers are hired by students themselves. I find that pretty interesting. Speaking of Hazuki...GODDAMN.

Shinonome Sisters = the best sisters.

Pen3

2012-07-20, 17:07

Now that i think about it. In episode 1 only Yuuki knew that Hazuki and Satsuki were sisters. That should be the first clue in Yuuki and Hazuki knowing each other pretty good and maybe before even the club was formed.

Nvis

2012-07-20, 17:13

Think I'll have to drop this series.

OP's good, that's about it.

Pen3

2012-07-20, 17:20

Think I'll have to drop this series.

OP's good, that's about it.

ok have fun

Flower

2012-07-20, 17:22

To be honest I prefer the ED to the OP, although the OP is not horrible, per se. :heh:

I can definitely see how a series like this would not be someone's cup of tea, though. I happen to like this kinda thing - at least as it has shown itself to be over the past 3 eps, that is. :)

amoirsp

2012-07-20, 19:42

I liked the manga intro better. No contact with the student council girl in the first episode and lack of sighting in the OP suggest that she won't be end girl.

I'll just put useless interjection.

The MC in Mashiro didn't encounter Miu until the second episode. Then again Miu was clearly in the OP so nevermind.

On an anime standpoint I do find intriguing the formula they're using.

Like Mashiro, if the goal of the anime was to get people interested in the game, well, they got me to want it, that's for sure.

Will look forward to how things that were hinted at come to fruition. I have no idea what will happen next other than the preview title.

I will say this though, I love the technology they and their facilities use like the rotating desks and the poster painting mechanism. I wouldn't mind having a table where I can store and use both the top and underside of at will. That'd be rather useful!

EDIT: Additional thing to add.

Scholarship can also mean a grant or financial aid, in which Isara may be subject to the latter. If she was under scholarship, the splendid school pays for you version she probably wouldn't need a public transit bus, she would have like, something else. I was about to say limo but that makes no sense. Speaking of which, for an elite school, a limo or something high class is completely absent, which I find interesting as well.

hyl

2012-07-20, 19:52

Meh, the only thing that i can say as someone who has read koichoco it's not clear yet who it will based on the first 3 episodes.

Enternal

2012-07-20, 19:57

Meh, the only thing that i can say as someone who has read koichoco it's not clear yet who it will based on the first 3 episodes.

At the same time I'm glad Mashi-iro Symphony screw up a lot of people expectations of who the end winner is. As a result, even if you feel like it's Chisato/Satsuki/Isara/Mifuyu/Michiru/Hadzuki(lol!), who knows it could be someone else entirely... that is if Koichoco is going to do the same thing as Mashi-iro did.

Cosmic Eagle

2012-07-21, 10:46

Damn, this show is really starting to get good...

The character relations seem like they could be rather deep and interesting.

Only question though...how the heck did student bodies gain so much power in that school...

lansglenn

2012-07-21, 14:18

Episode 3 was way too much election, too little love and chocolate.

TurkeyPotPie

2012-07-21, 15:49

I was on the verge of dropping this because the female characters just weren't doing anything for me (especially some of the secondary characters like Non), but the electoral politics in episode 3 were pretty interesting. I'm kind of rooting for Satsuki since I can empathize with the difficulty she'll face in trying to rein in spending on the "useless" clubs. :heh:

tsunade666

2012-07-21, 16:00

Nice episode 03

The election plot is shaping up and the current president is a good ally. He guides them in the campaign. And it looks like their is a feud between Satsuki and her sister and her sister which is the Teacher of Oojima. What is her relationship with Yuu? I was surprised at the near end with him putting his head on her chest and her embracing him. It looks like their is more to it but I just can't tell or rather I'm interested but not that interested to even bother. This story is good but it really isn't hyping me up. I just like the story and excited for more because its entertaining. That's all.

GenjiChan

2012-07-22, 03:17

Episode 3

Hmmm... No sweet opening for Chisato and Yuki... Hmmm... I smell a love war.... hehehe

Obelisk ze Tormentor

2012-07-22, 03:52

Well, I'm following this series coz it promises to present me a story of student election instead of standard harem. Thus, episode 3 delivers :D.

Also, what's with the teacher breast-hugging the MC? Is that simply a "payment" for his cooking? :p

@GenjiChan
Genji, it's fasting time now. Please "fix" that avatar of yours. :D Can't be too naughty now can we?

GenjiChan

2012-07-22, 04:00

Genji, it's fasting time now. Please "fix" that avatar of yours. :D Can't be too naughty now can we?

Hey, hey. I don't eat females.:heh:

Obelisk ze Tormentor

2012-07-22, 04:07

Hey, hey. I don't eat females.:heh:
But you do "eat" female :D (coz you're a man). We gotta stop our lust temporarily, right? :cool::p:D

GenjiChan

2012-07-22, 04:11

But you do "eat" female :D (coz you're a man). We gotta stop our lust temporarily, right? :cool::p:D

You opened the naughtiness bro... I don't see my avy as naughty... its you who looks as it as naughty.... tsk tsk... :heh:

anyway... pm for other stuffs:D

pikachuwei

2012-07-22, 05:59

I want satsuki to win

her voice too sexy

Khu

2012-07-22, 09:48

CHARACTER RELATIONSHIPS

SOMEONE GET SOME THUMBTACKS AND STRING

GOTTA MAP OUT THIS STUFF

so confused. @_@;

Midonin

2012-07-22, 09:57

The website's already done it for you (http://www.koichoco.com/chara/index.html)

DragoonKain3

2012-07-22, 10:02

Well, it's not as bad as Kokoro Connect, where multiple characters has possible romantic connections to multiple other characters. In here, it's pretty obvious that everyone is interested in only one person except for the protagonist, who despite last episode's comments, I feel still can go for Satsuki or even her older sister. :heh:

HandofFate

2012-07-22, 10:52

Watched episode 1.
The moods in this anime are all over the place.
Girl gets run over. Happy Time in Do-Nothing-Club. Sinister school politics. Girl in Coma. Grr Anger.

Not sure if I continue, since I have no idea what kind of story this is suppose to be.

Arturia Polaris

2012-07-22, 13:17

Pretty interesting VN adaption. I'll be all over this as it progresses.

Cheers
Arturia

Lukeman1884

2012-07-22, 13:24

I have a feeling that when the current president finally opens his eyes, shit's gonna get REAL

Mahou

2012-07-22, 13:42

Episode three was nice. The relationship between Yuuki and Hazuki seems to be quite friendly. Seeing that despite her teasing Yuu willingly accept her "hugging-pose". And given the dinner request-sms, he has probably cooked more than once for her ;). Then, there's Michiru following Yuuki "secretly". So far Satsuki has received a fair share of screentime together with Chisato, whereas the latter is like more natural by his side (osananajimi bonus?) seeing that they are in the same class, club and apppartment building :D.
I find it interesting how complex the school elections are, especially that something like student president doesn't exist in german schools and universites, IIRC. Or at least not with such an heavy influence :p.

As for "too much focus on election, not enough love + chocolate": Well, I assume it follows one of the common VN-adaption concepts so that the romance development will happen somewhere after the first half of the total episodes is over. Of course, sooner or later depending on whether the developers want to give each possible girl a roughly even amount of screentime (maybe as with Isara based on the sneak view at the end of ep. 3)

OceanBlue

2012-07-22, 21:23

I have a feeling that when the current president finally opens his eyes, shit's gonna get REAL

I want to know what the deal is with him and the other candidate with the のもの mask. They're in the group picture in the OP, so I'm not sure if that means that they're important or that they're "friendly". For now, I feel that either of them could become the real antagonist of the series, or that everyone could be a sympathetic character under different circumstances. I hope it's the latter to be honest.

csuree

2012-07-23, 03:30

Maybe hugging his teacher like that has to be because of a trauma from the past and she was there to comfort him. Something that is like a big secret. Chisato is adrable, cute, and lovable as she seduces Yuuki and tells him that she is near him. But he brushes her off, even though he deeply cares for her. I really hope they will go with the Chisato route. The other girls did not get enough screentime yet but they look lovable too. Except the cat like girl. She gives me the creeps.

So far the story is good, i like it.

Chaos2Frozen

2012-07-23, 04:49

Hell, if they really want to make it like real politics, these secret late night meetings with his teacher might be used as a scandal against his campaign later on :eyespin:

DragoonKain3

2012-07-23, 06:48

Actually I have a feeling it would be used as leverage against him AND Satsuki if it were ever found out.

Snuffle

2012-07-23, 08:53

The website's already done it for you (http://www.koichoco.com/chara/index.html)

That chart is not really accurate imo. Especially for Yume :p

amoirsp

2012-07-23, 12:51

That chart is not really accurate imo. Especially for Yume :p

I like how Kana, the name of the girl who got ran over at the start of episode 1 isn't on there. I guess it's like those series where you have an unnamed cop get defeated. It's tragic but the character isn't relevant.

I haven't seen that Kimika character yet though. And while Ayumu and Matsuri's names are mentioned, I don't recall Mao's name mentioned. How does the viewer know their names? Same with Hidaka who shows on the OP and in the middle of episode 1, but hasn't made a direct encounter with Oojima (though the encounter is almost guaranteed in a future episode).

I don't remember too well but wasn't there a character poll where Michiru was #1 while Chisato was #5?

hyl

2012-07-23, 13:14

I don't remember too well but wasn't there a character poll where Michiru was #1 while Chisato was #5?

Those were not the results unless you were talking about a different poll.

http://sprite.gr.jp/products/koichoco/information/images/VoteResult.jpg

Snuffle

2012-07-23, 14:03

I don't remember too well but wasn't there a character poll where Michiru was #1 while Chisato was #5?

I doubt's that's spoiling anything but anyway. Can you remember where you found that? I'm curious about the other rankings. Not surprised about the #5 either :rolleyes:

Enternal

2012-07-23, 14:27

I doubt's that's spoiling anything but anyway. Can you remember where you found that? I'm curious about the other rankings. Not surprised about the #5 either :rolleyes:

Character poll? I tried looking on the official website and also with relentlessflame's help and could not find it. However I definitely don't remember Chisato being #5. She might not be popular with some people but she's still quite popular especially once you get to know her more. The anime so far have not develop her very much so you won't know about her sides and skills yet.

hyl

2012-07-23, 14:39

Character poll? I tried looking on the official website and also with relentlessflame's help and could not find it. However I definitely don't remember Chisato being #5. She might not be popular with some people but she's still quite popular especially once you get to know her more. The anime so far have not develop her very much so you won't know about her sides and skills yet.

I already looked through sprite's official blog and i didn't find any polls in 2011 or 2012. The only official character poll that i could find was held 7 months before the game came out though. Chisato was the most popular in that poll.
So i don't think it was that accurate when it comes to characters though, but rather for their designs.

edit:
The only other poll that i also know off was for deciding who got his/her own route in the psp game.
Nozomi won that one.
http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/485/485457/

Mahou

2012-07-23, 15:52

I haven't seen that Kimika character yet though. And while Ayumu and Matsuri's names are mentioned, I don't recall Mao's name mentioned. How does the viewer know their names? Same with Hidaka who shows on the OP and in the middle of episode 1, but hasn't made a direct encounter with Oojima (though the encounter is almost guaranteed in a future episode).

Yeah, Hidaka will most likely play her role when the different election stages are beginning. The arrow that points to the ショッケン/shokken-frame and 自治生徒会/autonomous student council-frame says "data collection".

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next episode because I'd like to see how many much screentime Isara will receive.
And I count to those people who prefer the ending music more than the op.

Snuffle

2012-07-23, 17:03

I already looked through sprite's official blog and i didn't find any polls in 2011 or 2012. The only official character poll that i could find was held 7 months before the game came out though. Chisato was the most popular in that poll.
So i don't think it was that accurate when it comes to characters though, but rather for their designs.

Personally, I hope that's an art design poll... I'm not impressed on how she is in the VN, and that has nothing to do with her being a tsundere. Although I can accept her being #1 if it's about her design.

So far I like how the anime adaption is mixing things up but it has yet to reach the meat of the story. I just hope AIC doesn't mess things up when they get there.

hyl

2012-07-23, 17:20

Sprite apparently blocks foreign ip and i have my browser set up to auto proxy most japanese sites (like Minori).
I am not sure if my previous post of poll results of 2010 could be seen by others
So this time i uploaded that image somewhere else instead of directly linking to the site.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/hyl/VoteResult.jpg

tsunade666

2012-07-23, 18:04

So Chisato is in the winning side and next is Satsuki? (not sure on the name but she is the one running as a president too right?) then next is the girl which I can't remember her name and her character.... like a cat? she doesn't do much yet in the anime so I can't tell why is she 3rd.

amoirsp

2012-07-23, 18:09

It might have been an unofficial one then.

To be specific the image presented was NSFW.

It was an image that had Morishita with Strawberries. Um, that's all I can say. It has convenient censorship.

I think the image says Dengeki G's Magazine SPECIAL or something. Actually it could be fake nevermind.

Since I can't read Japanese it might have just been a poll on like, NSFW image so I thought it was a character poll kind of like how the #1 character gets some specific wallpaper or something.

For the anime itself I find there will probably be character specific episodes, but at the moment I'm sure everyone can agree that so far the anime has not done something like a "character showcasing" of sorts and you had more focus on what's going on (sort of) rather than trying to showoff a bishoujo girl. [Quite frankly, 3/5 characters so far have totally played more of a support/side character role and had hardly taken screen time.]

This series from watching so far does feel like it has more of a team aspect, sort of. I can't quite coin the flavor of what exact word fits the description of what's so nice so far.

But seriously though in terms of pure anime watching I just felt like so far there's like so much non-information I'm wondering how other people process the information.

hyl

2012-07-23, 18:26

Oh, a character poll in an issue of Dengeki G. After looking it up and that one is indeed held later.

But seeing all the available merchandise (figure, dakimakura's, mousepads) I think Satsuki is more popular though.

wagnerr

2012-07-24, 04:48

episode three too little fan service

GenjiChan

2012-07-24, 04:50

episode three too little fan service

What concern me is the romance? Where's my human alarm clock during every episode!!!:heh:

DragoonKain3

2012-07-24, 06:20

I thought the average person is tired of the 'childhood friend wake you up every morning' cliche? I personally love it, but then again, I'm not the average person. :heh:

MisaoFan

2012-07-24, 06:24

episode three too little fan service

What concerns me the most is simply romance, plot and character development, but then again I sometimes cares about fanservice if something censored happens.

tsunade666

2012-07-24, 08:52

episode three too little fan service

It has good strategy meeting and execution for the election by the current president so I'm sold for this episode. The only big question is the near end where what's the connection between the teacher and student.

Arya

2012-07-24, 10:22

My same big curiosity, what was that breast-hugging, bow-jima (how did Shinonome call him the second time again?) looked mesmerized just before hugging them. Or it was simply a sudden change of mood.
All in all I'm enjoying the show even if there are really too many girls so I hardly remember them. So I tend to lose my attention here and there. But not when Shinonome is on screen :p
The other, minor, concern is the chocolate issue, whatever is the reason behind it I can't figure out something enough serious to justify the way they are handle the matter so far.
About fanservice, the way they are censoring it is a bit annoying, better not have it at all if they intend to keep that method.

Snuffle

2012-07-24, 11:24

All in all I'm enjoying the show even if there are really too many girls so I hardly remember them. So I tend to lose my attention here and there. But not when Shinonome is on screen :p

Too many girls? Shows like Sister Princess and Baby Princess have too many girls. Over ten each! (not that I'm complaining :heh:)

Speaking of Satsuki. Does anyone feel that the school uniform is designed specifically for her? Just look how it not only perfectly captures her chest area, but is designed in such a way that it MAKES YOU focus there! lol. I find it funny since I'm a legs man :heh:

Arya

2012-07-24, 12:11

The website's already done it for you (http://www.koichoco.com/chara/index.html)

Too many girls? Shows like Sister Princess and Baby Princess have too many girls. Over ten each! (not that I'm complaining :heh:)

Well, but they are over ten, I count eleven girls, and I'm skipping the 4 girls pakojima bumped into in the last episode. (but I'm counting Oboro in obviously). They are to many for me, I have to skim them off :heh:

amoirsp

2012-07-24, 15:46

I thought the average person is tired of the 'childhood friend wake you up every morning' cliche? I personally love it, but then again, I'm not the average person. :heh:

I think the way it was executed it was slightly less annoying, despite having all the common cliches and whatnot or running it for a decent duration. Also there were slight reasons to it such as the first notation showing a plot point while the second shows the contrast of the protagonist not wanting Chisato around him all the time.

Chisato also has a lower airheadedness and while the actions are still a little extreme, it's also within reason.

Arya, I believe Shinonome-san called him "Pow-jima" the second time. So it went from peko to pako I believe.

Yeah, the anime didn't need any pants flashing at all.

For a series that has so many characters, because of the high relevance of a select few, it's surprisingly manageable. Also the anime doesn't seem to emphasize a beauty of a character too excessively for too long (though they did do that of course).

OceanBlue

2012-07-25, 05:13

I thought the average person is tired of the 'childhood friend wake you up every morning' cliche? I personally love it, but then again, I'm not the average person. :heh:

I guess I'm not average either. I think it's really cute most times.

Cosmic Eagle

2012-07-25, 10:02

I thought the average person is tired of the 'childhood friend wake you up every morning' cliche? I personally love it, but then again, I'm not the average person. :heh:

Who gives a flying f*ck about the average person....it's kinda sweet the way they did it.

GenjiChan

2012-07-25, 10:08

I thought the average person is tired of the 'childhood friend wake you up every morning' cliche? I personally love it, but then again, I'm not the average person. :heh:

I wish I had a female childhood friend.:)

Shadow5YA

2012-07-25, 12:04

I thought the average person is tired of the 'childhood friend wake you up every morning' cliche? I personally love it, but then again, I'm not the average person. :heh:

I never saw anything wrong with it, only the cliche that comes afterwards: childhood friend gets groped or seen upskirt, which then leads her to violently beat down the male lead for it.

As long as no violence happens, it's a wonderful moment to me.

sapper

2012-07-25, 21:31

ok im really wondering what relationship the teacher has with the MC could be really interesting lol ;p

MisaoFan

2012-07-26, 11:54

Yuki meet a young schoolgirl named Isara Aomi. As the Food Research club continues to learn everything about the next election proposed by Yakumo, a school festival is also planned. Unfortunately, Isara falls into darkness as she gets harassed by female delinquents due to how poor and lazy her life represent and the way she's badly different from others. Next episode is a half-fanservice episode containing steam roll cake and girls in school swimsuits.

hyl

2012-07-26, 12:11

Yuki meet a young schoolgirl named Isara Ohmi. As the Cooking club continues to learn everything about the next election proposed by Yakumo, a school festival is also planned. Unfortunately, Isara falls into darkness as she gets harassed by the female delinquents due to how poor and lazy her life represent and the way she's special. Next episode is a half-fanservice episode containing steam roll cake and girls in school swimsuits.

Minor corrections eventhough i haven't watched this episode.
her name is Isara Aomi.
The shoken is a food research club (more like a food snacking/eating club seeing how it's used, but whatever) and not a cooking club.
I don't think that she is bullied because she special, but rather that she is "less special" because she is not considered to be a regular student.

Midonin

2012-07-26, 13:26

Nice to see the club putting their skills - inventions and eating - to good use in getting Yuuki's message out there. The legendary Oojima Roll would be too cost-intensive, so the Yaoi Sticks it is. The scene of Michiru getting herself all wrapped up while trying to get the campaign stuff managed was pretty cute. You can always count on the food club to provide some levity in this series. And that's more important now than ever.

Another encounter with Satsuki. She's looking less like a rival and more like a friend at this point, I can see her and Yuuki putting their differences aside and agreeing to take down Moheiji, because from the preview, anyone who has themselves cast in shadow is clearly up to no good. I also wonder what role Isara is going to play in this story. She's been in semi-regular contact with Yuuki since day one, and he respects her regardless of her social standing. If one vote could ever sway an election...

I've also noticed that area with the fence and the vending machines has been used a lot so far. VNs typically do have a limited range of settings, but I wonder what the importance of this one is. People are always separated by that fence. I think I'm picking up on a motif here.

Marina2

2012-07-26, 13:46

Does the scene in the begining of the first ep. really relate to the election plot of this show???............I guess they want me to forget it for now. OK.

hyl

2012-07-26, 13:50

Does the scene in the begining of the first ep. really relate to the election plot of this show???............I guess they want me to forget it for now. OK.

Maybe it will be relevant for the story or maybe it won't. It depends on how close the anime will be following a specific route in the original game.

relentlessflame

2012-07-26, 21:21

Does the scene in the begining of the first ep. really relate to the election plot of this show???............I guess they want me to forget it for now. OK.
Well, they already gave us some apparent pieces of the puzzle:

1. Beginning of Episode 1: Kana gets hit
2. End of Episode 1: Current President asks (comatose?) Kana what he should do in the coming election (and sheds a tear for her) (You can compare to see that it is the same person.)
3. Episode 3: Current President helps out Yuuki's candidacy

So we can suppose that, in addition to what he's said so far, the reason he's helping Yuuki may have something to do with that opening scene in the first episode. Of course, we don't know the details yet.

novalysis

2012-07-26, 21:35

My speculation was that whatever information Kana managed to gather would have saved the Current President's Presidency. Perhaps he feels that he has failed Kana in some ways, by asking of her something so dangerous that she nearly paid for her loyalty with her life.

There's more than meets the eye here, and personally, I'm more interested in the Chocolate and Elections part.

Chocolate = Backstory, Drama
Elections = Politics, Intrigue
Love = Romantic Comedy/Harem Element.

Somehow, I wonder whether Love and Chocolate suggest that the winner might not be Chisato. Chocolate is a clear reference to both Chisato and Yuuki's past. If Love and Chocolate are two distinct plots, perhaps Satsuki and not Chisato might be the romantic winner.

It would be quite an interesting way of telling a story- relegating romance to a sub-plot, while dragging personal drama and electoral politics to the forefront.

I guess ultimately, the question is whether we've left the common route, or is the anime telling a modified story fusing the various routes together, taking the Clannad option.

The thing is, Love Elections and Chocolate is very ambitious. We have three plots running concurrently, interacting with one another, and the risk is that it all comes crumbling down, or ending in a rushed mess.

Somnus

2012-07-26, 23:45

Just watched 1-3. There's nothing here that makes me think this show is special in any way, but I'll stick around out of sheer curiosity of a few things (Kana, the teacher, Chisato and chocolate).

Though, I will say that teacher is fantastic. Even more so after episode 3. I'd be hopelessly shipping her and MC if the vibes from every other alternative wasn't overwhelmingly stronger.

BladeEntity

2012-07-27, 00:19

Haven't watched a VN adaption in a while, having been scared after watching akaneiro. the fact they can go a number of routes annoys me to hell, but is also the charm of a VN.

thundrakkon

2012-07-27, 05:12

Jarmel

2012-07-27, 05:29

hyl

2012-07-27, 05:32

The original Koichoco VN had lot's of drama in all of the routes, while the overall tone of the game was lighthearted. So far i think that the anime does capture the same mood.

novalysis

2012-07-27, 06:52

The problem I have with this show is that parts of it seem so tonally disconnected from other parts. We have these stupid club activities which are so lighthearted and fluffy and then other extremely serious parts to it and they don't really mesh that well.

Also it looks like the Finance Committee is probably in the right. People are having these stupid clubs and wasting funds while financial aid is being slashed.

In a sense though, there's a stronger air of believably to this. A homogeneous tone to a story, even when multiple characters at multiple situations are involved is more simplistic and unrealistic.

What we have here are several overlapping stories occurring simultaneously. Indeed, there is no reason why they can't, even with sharply contrasting tones. If anything, this makes Chocolate a rather ambitious show, since there are multiple sub-plots and character stories running around simultaneously, at various degrees of drama.

So, no, I don't think Chocolate should be condemned for it's tonal contrast. If anything, it should be judged on how they handle the tonal shifts, and perhaps it's not working for you. But it is working for me, with only One Cour to go around....

In any case, I don't feel they are clumsily handled, since they are usually accompanied by a scene and perspective change. Think of the Light Hearted Food Club Humor and nonsense as merely what goes on in public. Underneath it all, multiple character dramas are playing out simultaneously.

I think one reason why people tend to be very harsh on this show is because in reeks of harem and smells of Eroge/Echii VN. Both of which has been in disrepute among English speaking viewers in recent years, partly because of the HUGE flood of titles beating this concept, over and over, and over again.

At least Chocolate is doing things differently. Just look at Who is Imouto (which is straight forward, even if it's a fairly plausible harem with a plausible reason why the MC would get one) and compare it with the ambition of Chocolate.

There's a light hearted exterior to Chocolate, but underneath it all are TONS of issues, drama, intrigue and more. To me, if you are going to argue that the latter are shoehorned in , I can just as well argue that the former is just as shoe horned in. Chocolate clearly isn't about Moe Girls and VN Harem Stereotypes fooling around in the Club Room and running for Elections. There are deeper issues in here, even if there are criminally shallow characters like those two "monkeys."

So far, they haven't dropped the ball. But the main risk to Chocolate is NOT that it'll end up Mediocre, but rather, the plots end up collapsing on itself, and the whole story descends into one big incoherent mess because of the sheer scale of the plot.

In a way, I'd suggest (though this may be one of the more contentious points I'm making here) that Chocolate suffers from the same first impression issue as Kokoro Connect. The character designs and the backdrops led many, many to dismiss it from the onset as one huge boring cliche ridden fanservice fest, the capstone of what doomsayers were suggesting was going to be crappy Summer Season.

Really? How many of those naysayers would like to comprehensively justify that point at this stage?

There are already signs of that. For example, the Dog Eared Girl's story seems to have been left hanging.

DragoonKain3

2012-07-27, 07:21

I personally like the 'dark side' of the story, as real life politics ain't all fun and games either. Heck, it's actually the beginning scene that differentiated this from a lot of the other anime that aired this summer, as it's established by the first episode that it's going to be mostly light hearted but sprinkled with the not so pretty side of humanity.

As for this episode, I'm loving the election side more and more. So after you put yourself in the running, now you must raise funds for the campaign? Sounds logical to me. I love the election side so much that I don't care who wins romantically anymore... actually that's a total lie, as I still am rooting a bit for Chisato (though Mii-chan is cute too). Too big a shipper to ignore it, and that's why I'm still very wary of Satsuki as she's getting consistent screen time. :heh:

Somehow, I wonder whether Love and Chocolate suggest that the winner might not be Chisato. Chocolate is a clear reference to both Chisato and Yuuki's past. If Love and Chocolate are two distinct plots, perhaps Satsuki and not Chisato might be the romantic winner.
I dunno man, the title is Love, Election, AND Chocolate. If we're gonna deduce the winner just from the title alone, she must be involved all three. ;)

Ddraig

2012-07-27, 07:26

Chaos2Frozen

2012-07-27, 07:31

Can anyone tell what the stuff say in MC pc message board that he read near the end of the episode? I have a feeling that this whole election and fund cutting might have something to do with scholarship funding and the bullying of scholarship student. Like they bully Isara cuz scholarship taking money from school funding that could have be use for there club.

No, they're bullying Isara just because she is poor and has to work odd jobs.

The Scholarship system is meant to replace the current system of Financial aid where the student have to work part time to repay the loan, but that would only happen if they can get the money for it.

I personally like the 'dark side' of the story, as real life politics ain't all fun and games either. Heck, it's actually the beginning scene that differentiated this from a lot of the other anime that aired this summer, as it's established by the first episode that it's going to be mostly light hearted but sprinkled with the not so pretty side of humanity.

Between Koi-Choco and Kokoro Connect, there's no shortage of heavy drama covered with light hearted-ness this season.

As for this episode, I'm loving the election side more and more. So after you put yourself in the running, now you must raise funds for the campaign? Sounds logical to me. I love the election side so much that I don't care who wins romantically anymore... actually that's a total lie, as I still am rooting a bit for Chisato (though Mii-chan is cute too). Too big a shipper to ignore it, and that's why I'm still very wary of Satsuki as she's getting consistent screen time. :heh:

(Either Chisato or Satsuki is fine :p)

I really, really want to praise the amount of time and detail put into the Election preparation as well as all the little jokes and even fuwafuwa moments, but every thing was thrown out the window and replaced by the last 5 minutes.

I really feel bad for Isara though, I wonder if this would put a solid dent in Oojima's resolve to run for presidency once he learned how the money wasted on clubs could in fact be used to help people like Isara.

ookamigirl

2012-07-27, 07:50

Oojima officially on the running-for-president board.
Aomi & her problem. She's one weird girl ^^"
Oojima became enchanted by her smell instead of worrying about campaign finances.
Looks like they just found the first serious obstacle on their political road.
That baazar, some candidates are exactly that just to be able to sell stuff.
Campaign goods they decided to use were pretty interesting.
Shinonome sure knows how to deal with student affairs.
Her manifest seems to be a good thing for student equality.
This way Aomi and others like her wouldn't be bullied.

DragoonKain3

2012-07-27, 08:14

Between Koi-Choco and Kokoro Connect, there's no shortage of heavy drama covered with light hearted-ness this season.
To be fair though, Kokoro Connect was all light-hearted until episode 3, unlike here where it's established literally at the very beginning it isn't going to be all that. Which thankfully KC did, as I was ready to drop it then and there.

Chaos2Frozen

2012-07-27, 08:19

To be fair though, Kokoro Connect was all light-hearted until episode 3, unlike here where it's established literally at the very beginning it isn't going to be all that. Which thankfully KC did, as I was ready to drop it then and there.

Not really, Kokoro Connect already had hints in the second episode- similarly, despite the scene in the first episode which quite a few people didn't know what to make of it, the heaviness in Koi-Choco didn't really hit home until this episode.

D-KLAC

2012-07-27, 08:22

so this week ep race for president still going seeing many faces running on it.

tomoya 2.0 meet ladder oh help a girl & smell good.
plans idea for election for money to raise after many hmm go with yaoi bars?!
of course get it re-cover & safe take a lot of work.
tomoya 2.0 see Shinonome vs air sumo club yea total air they are.
then isara still fixing til "oh no" a bunch of HO-SKI bullies.
after day works tomoya 2.0 & rest walking home see isara in the area ask what happen?
back in school isara still in pain from those HO-SKI bullies after did to her.
yea they rip & throw her undies yea so UNCALLED for to do cue light blub break.

to be continued...

DragoonKain3

2012-07-27, 08:36

Not really, Kokoro Connect already had hints in the second episode- similarly, despite the scene in the first episode which quite a few people didn't know what to make of it, the heaviness in Koi-Choco didn't really hit home until this episode.
I dunno man, the very first scene of Koi Choco already had embezzlement and attempted freaking murder, which hit home hard considering the title is "Love, ELECTION, and Chocolate." Basically it said that the election isn't going to be without the underhandedness of a lot of the RL politics going on in the world. And that's not going into Chisato's choco and Hazuki's hug at the end of episodes 2/3 to darken the mood further.

Kokoro Connect on the other hand had nothing episode 1, had really small hints that could go either way episode 2, and only really got the ball rolling in episode 3. It's really no contest; Koi Choco established in the very beginning it wasn't going to be all fun and games, but it's Kokoro Connect that transitioned very slowly into heavy drama.

lolmeh

2012-07-27, 08:41

i got confused when oojima read the manifesto.......
was it cancelling the finacial aid program? thus screwing over students like Isara? or is it helping them?

please clarify this for me.

frivolity

2012-07-27, 08:46

The manifesto suggests a reform of the financial aid program to a scholarship program. I presume that this means students like Isara will not have to pay school fees at all, as opposed to the current system where they still have to pay a reduced amount.

At the very least, it seems to be an attempt to elevate the status of financial aid students from one where they are looked down upon for being poor to one where they are to be respected for earning a place in an elite school.

Mura

2012-07-27, 09:53

I don't think it'll look good if Yuuki implements her own manifesto though. If so then what was the point of trying to beat her and her ideas?

I raged so heard when I saw what happended to Aomi, guess I'm kinda sensitive to those kind of things. Anyone noticed at the end of the preview when she held her stomach? Don't tell me she is pregnant....

Chaos2Frozen

2012-07-27, 10:07

I don't think it'll look good if Yuuki implements her own manifesto though. If so then what was the point of trying to beat her and her ideas?

I guess he would need to come up with a way to do it without getting rid of the clubs.

Either way, I don't think anyone with any common decency could just ignore the issue when their friend is a victim.

I raged so heard when I saw what happended to Aomi, guess I'm kinda sensitive to those kind of things. Anyone noticed at the end of the preview when she held her stomach? Don't tell me she is pregnant....

Wrong Character :p

Mura

2012-07-27, 10:11

Wrong Character :p

Oh I didn't mean Aomi, just her name is slipping my mind right now. I'll look it up later.

Edit: Mifuyu, that was her name. Watching too many things to remember everyone's names.

Haak

2012-07-27, 10:14

I dunno man, the very first scene of Koi Choco already had embezzlement and attempted freaking murder, which hit home hard considering the title is "Love, ELECTION, and Chocolate." Basically it said that the election isn't going to be without the underhandedness of a lot of the RL politics going on in the world. And that's not going into Chisato's choco and Hazuki's hug at the end of episodes 2/3 to darken the mood further.

Kokoro Connect on the other hand had nothing episode 1, had really small hints that could go either way episode 2, and only really got the ball rolling in episode 3. It's really no contest; Koi Choco established in the very beginning it wasn't going to be all fun and games, but it's Kokoro Connect that transitioned very slowly into heavy drama.

Kokoro Connect may have been light-hearted from the beginning but we weren't seeing any cutesy moe or fanservice bait either. I would much prefer Kokoro Connect's slow but seamless transitioning into drama than this rather haphazard method we're seeing here tbh.

DragoonKain3

2012-07-27, 10:28

Snuffle

2012-07-27, 10:33

Some more interesting developments in episode 4. I really feel for Isara. For someone so cute that even the MC has the hots for, it is hard to believe that both MALES and females would treat her badly because of her status. Although she has no shot with the MC as is, I still really like her character. It breaks my heart to see characters like her. You just want to go right at them and protect them from all the evils of the world.

Actually it's not hard to imagine. A rich school with poor students is an obvious setup for bullying. Since those bullies are snobs, they don't give a damn on how people not around the same "value" as them feel. Things like this still happen in the real world. And I agree, I just wanted to protect her. ;)

So far, they haven't dropped the ball. But the main risk to Chocolate is NOT that it'll end up Mediocre, but rather, the plots end up collapsing on itself, and the whole story descends into one big incoherent mess because of the sheer scale of the plot.

That's what I'm worried about... Plots getting mashed together and not really making proper sense near the end will just lower the overall grade of the show. But there is still time to see how it will be handled.

I dunno man, the title is Love, Election, AND Chocolate. If we're gonna deduce the winner just from the title alone, she must be involved all three. ;)

I don't think it's always the main heroine that gets chosen. Mashiro was a pretty darn good example of this by going for Miu's route, unless she was the main heroine. :uhoh: But I think it's the most favorite among fans on which girl gets the win.

I raged so heard when I saw what happended to Aomi, guess I'm kinda sensitive to those kind of things. Anyone noticed at the end of the preview when she held her stomach? Don't tell me she is pregnant....

I could empathize with Yuuki's anger towards those bullies, especially because Isara's my favorite. And Mifuyu pregnant? :heh: I'm pretty sure she's just working so hard that she has had no time to eat and thus is just really hungry.

DragoonKain3

2012-07-27, 10:39

Hey, all I was saying that IF you had to deduce the winner from the title, you need to count all three and not separately, considering the Japanese title uses 'to'. Nothing more, nothing less. ;)

(BTW, no main heroine in mashifony. But Sakuno would always be the main one in my heart. <3)

Mura

2012-07-27, 10:45

I could empathize with Yuuki's anger towards those bullies, especially because Isara's my favorite. And Mifuyu pregnant? :heh: I'm pretty sure she's just working so hard that she has had no time to eat and thus is just really hungry.

I certainly hope thats the case, its just that was the first thing that popped in my mind. My mind is in the gutter.:eyespin:

novalysis

2012-07-27, 11:02

Chocolate's selling point is Politics and Drama. Without those two, it's no better than Who is Imouto. At this point, I don't consider it harem at all.

Drama, Romance, Seinen - is there a Political or Intrigue tag on Animesuki too?

Haak

2012-07-27, 11:29

I personally like to see what an anime is really about from the get go, rather than taking 25% of the total air time just to set it up. One cour is too short to waste that much time just to get interesting.

I think most people understood what Kokoro Connect was going to be after the second episode so really only the first episode was "wasted". It did take three episodes to actually get to that point but then again we can't really say Koi has actually kicked off yet. So far we only have hints and snippets. The actual character drama hasn't truly begun.

Guardian Enzo

2012-07-27, 12:44

There are elements of Koichoco that feel very typical for a VN adaptation. I’m finding more and more that these shows need a few episodes to really “start” – they rarely hit the ground running like some anime do. And this one is certainly the same way – the process of world-building in a VN adaptation always seems to be awkward as compared to other sorts of series. But Koichoco strikes me as unusual among its brethren in one important sense – this show is primarily about the plot, and the interpersonal relationships seem secondary to that. It’s not as if the characters are terrible or even uninteresting, but it feels as if the creative energy here is really in the premise itself, which in romance VN is often just a necessary adjunct to the main event.

DragoonKain3

2012-07-27, 12:54

I think most people understood what Kokoro Connect was going to be after the second episode so really only the first episode was "wasted". It did take three episodes to actually get to that point but then again we can't really say Koi has actually kicked off yet. So far we only have hints and snippets. The actual character drama hasn't truly begun.
Meh, Koichoco isn't really much about totally about character drama, unlike Kokoro Connect. It's literally about Love, Election, And Chocolate. We've touched on the first and last, so we know it's going to be a part of it, but the Election part has kicked off to full swing already. Including it's ugly side, it seems.

And most people understood what Kokoro Connect is to be about by the second episode? Nah, the second episode is a bit of a stretch... at best you'd be able to claim 'some' people understood. Just going by Asuki posts alone, from posts 202-324 (the time periode between eps 2 and 3), them having a feeling it turning dark has been mentioned in only like 7 or 8 posts. Then discussion about the more grim nature of Kokoro Connect only went full swing after the third episode aired.

And what most people said about episode 2? This guy sums it up pretty nicely.

This second episode is even more intriguing and funny than the first. It keeps making me wanting for more.
...
also help that some characters have their own family problem to add to the plot, but not too much to ruin the mood.

Haak

2012-07-27, 13:17

Meh, Koichoco isn't really much about totally about character drama, unlike Kokoro Connect. It's literally about Love, Election, And Chocolate. We've touched on the first and last, so we know it's going to be a part of it, but the Election part has kicked off to full swing already. Including it's ugly side, it seems.

If that's the case then it's kinda pointless to compare. The most that can be said is that Kokoro made a slow but seamless transition whilst Koi is still struggling to connect it's three elements in a coherent way.

And most people understood what Kokoro Connect is to be about by the second episode? Nah, the second episode is a bit of a stretch... at best you'd be able to claim 'some' people understood. Just going by Asuki posts alone, from posts 202-324 (the time periode between eps 2 and 3), them having a feeling it turning dark has been mentioned in only like 7 or 8 posts. Then discussion about the more grim nature of Kokoro Connect only went full swing after the third episode aired.

And what most people said about episode 2? This guy sums it up pretty nicely.

I think many people understood that Kokoro Connect was going to take the body swapping seriously and use it explore the characters, and many people had already guessed Yui's problem. So no I don't think the guy summed it up. I still think it's a stretch to say Kokoro Connect was all light-hearted until episode 3.

OceanBlue

2012-07-27, 13:47

Although she has no shot with the MC as is, I still really like her character. It breaks my heart to see characters like her. You just want to go right at them and protect them from all the evils of the world.
You captured my thoughts exactly. I felt awful by the end of the episode. I was mad in the beginning when I thought they were just beating her up, but humiliation like that killed it for me. Poor Aomi...

DragoonKain3

2012-07-27, 15:24

If that's the case then it's kinda pointless to compare.
All I said was that KoiChoco established its identity in episode 1, while Kokoro Connect took 3. Wasn't even comparing them to be the same type of anime. :shrug:

The most that can be said is that Kokoro made a slow but seamless transition whilst Koi is still struggling to connect it's three elements in a coherent way.
It's shaping up quite nicely I must say. You've got the series now focusing on the Election part, but the Koi love triangle is starting to creep up because of it (damn you Satsuki! XD), and the Choco backstory is tied to Chisato on why her Koi has or hasn't come to fruition yet (which obviously they're saving the full reveal for the climax).

I think many people understood that Kokoro Connect was going to take the body swapping seriously and use it explore the characters, and many people had already guessed Yui's problem.
More like the minority, as the post count has suggested. Really jarring when you compare it to the post eps 3 discussion in Kokoro Connect.

I still think it's a stretch to say Kokoro Connect was all light-hearted until episode 3.
I didn't say it was, only that the vast majority of it since they only dropped a hint or two that could've went either way in episode 2.

Kaoru Chujo

2012-07-27, 16:00

Meh, Koichoco isn't really much about totally about character drama, unlike Kokoro Connect....And that's the main reason I have struggled to find any interest in this show, while loving Kokoro Connect from the start. I did have the advantage there of having read the manga up to the equivalent of ep2. I do think that we knew from the beginning that that show would be strong on characters, since the characters were strong from the beginning, but we didn't see the dark and serious side until into ep2.

Even the very straightforward harem show NakaImo seems to me to have more character interest than this show, so far. At least the characters seem to have feelings.

Heck, I'm finding Ebiten more enjoyable than this show, even two episodes in, and with only Chinese subs to go by. I just don't feel the humour here, and the development seems plodding, to me.

But that's just me. Sorry to be negative. I'm still watching, hoping things will start to click for me.

Haak

2012-07-27, 16:11

All I said was that KoiChoco established its identity in episode 1, while Kokoro Connect took 3. Wasn't even comparing them to be the same type of anime. :shrug:

Yes but different types of anime will often have different types of storytelling and that includes how it establishes it's identity

It's shaping up quite nicely I must say. You've got the series now focusing on the Election part, but the Koi love triangle is starting to creep up because of it (damn you Satsuki! XD), and the Choco backstory is tied to Chisato on why her Koi has or hasn't come to fruition yet (which obviously they're saving the full reveal for the climax).

These are all rather superfluous at the moment. I wouldn't say it's established itself quite well yet. I dodn't even realise there was a love triangle forming. I just thought Oojima was raising flags like normal. And I had no idea that her Choco phobia is tied to her obvious romance with Oojima that way.

More like the minority, as the post count has suggested. Really jarring when you compare it to the post eps 3 discussion in Kokoro Connect.

That's probably because Episode 3 is when it actually started happening when Episode 2 was mostly foreshadowing. There are definitely far less that thought it would still be light-hearted compared to those that already figured what the focus would be.

I didn't say it was, only that the vast majority of it since they only dropped a hint or two that could've went either way in episode 2.

Oh I got confused because of your earlier post (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=4275943&postcount=409)...

But no I don't think it could've gone either way. Heartseed definitely put a very sombre spin on things, Yui's hints were easy to spot (and were unlikely to be taken lightly) and Iori sealed the deal with her grim philosophical talk on what would happen to their identities. And of course the preview definitely helped.

DXMichael

2012-07-27, 16:18

Aww man, I felt really bad at the end of this episode :( Whhhyy did they have to leave us with that depressing scene D= I wanted someone to comfort her or help her or something XD I hope this anime perks up next episode and that girl gets treated much better.

Haak

2012-07-27, 17:49

For what it's worth I am interested in how the show will handle class warfare. That last scene saved it for me and it certainly piqued my curiosity.

relentlessflame

2012-07-27, 18:33

Regarding the cohesion of elements in this show, based on the way the story has been presented so far, I would suggest that all the plot threads are heading in their own directions, but are ultimately on a collision course. I think it won't be until that collision occurs that you'll see the way the elements connect and the show will really deliver its message. In the meantime, I think they will continue to introduce a lot of different ideas on all fronts, setting the stage for the collision to come. This may make the story a little bit hard to follow (since there is a lot to keep track of), but I suspect that it will all make sense in the end (and it'll be the sort of show that you will understand differently during a re-watch).

I wouldn't say this is either a better or worse approach overall, but it is a bit different compared to some other shows. The key thing they have to try to do is keep you hooked enough to stay interested in where they're going.

amoirsp

2012-07-27, 20:01

I will have to say I have to agree with those that are saying Koichoco has a weakness of being diluted on multiple concepts.

While it's good to have thoughts on many things shown, as there are a quite a number of them, in a pure anime watching standpoint there's uncertainty if there is a clear picture. On a random note this totally reminds me of like, one of the Iron Man Marvel cartoons where episode 1 starts right into the action and for a new viewer it doesn't make sense but it does if you have all the backstory information.

Well, in terms of studio production I'm guessing they need to balance momentum/linearity with new watchers and watchers familiar with the game. So far I find it functional, and as I've stated before, in terms of the anime making it such that I want to know more or what happens next, it's doing fine. However likewise I can't help but also say the dilution also makes me unsure what is going to happen next (or why it was shown), hence the disjointed feeling of the things going on.

I DO like how the presentation of this VN adaptation, while having a massive number of similarities to other ones, I do find it does have something particularly different. Just something about it makes me enjoy it particularly more. I won't go as far as to say it's realistic but it does make me think and wonder.

Pretty much these episodes will require subsequent ones to bring closure or explain things, because as standalones there are very many question marks.

This isn't spoiler but I do want to ask This is irrelevant but I noticed the cameo characters didn't appear this episode. Is this synonymous with the fact that episode 4 has entered some beginning parts of route specific territory?

... or basically whatever relentlessflame said, yes I find it's going this direction. Ironically this method of hooking ALSO dissuades viewers that prefer a different format.

But to add to the relentless point: I do find it amusing that Satsuki literally says to Oojima/Hazuki that the things she does for one end (elections) are separate (or different reasons) from other things she does (private matters or finance stuff). I personally find this particular pointer key.

If you've noticed, as you all obviously have, I felt like Oojima has been "carried" through the adventure. The disbanding is a sudden event that shakes the daily (club) routine. The nomination was forced/recommended on him, the load was pretty much put on him. Two pretty girls literally ramming into him. Yume wants him, other men crashed into him. Oojima roll cooking assignment was put on him.

I think my only complaint is that these characters actually have adequate strengths (as they are indeed in an elite school) but since we got right into the action there wasn't really much of a setup to really say who is good at what. Like, Oojima can cook a unique Oojima Roll [However, yes the episode spent like 30 seconds explaining it's exquisite flavor]. But it's like well, I don't recall them mentioning Oojima can cook.

In other words I'm finding a lot of things implied (intellect, capability, other strengths), and then verifying these strengths through actions and events. It's pretty good but it seems to be set up at the same time it is used.

The "Chisato and Yuuki combination" thing is implied and shown, particularly in say episode 3, but it's not explicitly stated.

Likewise, because this was a pre-existing club, I don't feel like I see this much. (Usually series that have clubs are either forming them or if there isn't a club then there's some invincibility or hot impact complex from protag encountering super powerful lead girl or protag joining some club of prestigious elites)

I do really like the election planning and math. The series has adequately shown good fundamentals on that aspect. It shows teamwork and setting up roles for all different types of characters utilizing strengths and accommodating for weaknesses.

Yes, I have had to re-watch, despite re-watching already. So many elements are so subtle. Now I'm like omg is one cour enough to explain all the possible combinations?

For now I'll just think they'll run with four things for now: Election, and 3 character dedicated episodes to Michiru, Isara, and Satsuki to resolves portions already shown. I have no idea what it would be for Michiru, while Isara's is a bit more obvious. Satsuki, well, she directly influences the plot (election opponent) so I don't know.

It's also interesting how many underhanded or unknown things are going on behind the scenes, and the food research club is totally third party in relation to it.

Also since none of the club members are part of the financial aid system, their manifesto portion had nothing in favor of it until Yuuki noticed the Aomi abuse. Keep in mind only Yuuki directly sees and senses and cares about it. This will likely be key for later. Also keep in mind that the club didn't care about matters unrelated to them.

Also based on the opening Isara is probably going to put her help and inputs for the campaign but she is an outsider more or less.

So many selfish matters it's rather amusing. You have Satsuki who wants to keep two things separate, but more or less has private incentives, while you have a character like Isara who is totally like yo I'm selfless but I stand for myself and do what I can the best I can. Heck even Chisato can be slightly selfish in the sense of having precious property Yuuki lol.

Then there's all the administrative organizations with their own agenda which haven't even been mentioned or coming into light lol.

Yeah ... sooooo many things going on, and there's hardly any delving to specific character backstories! (Beginning components maybe, but hardly much after that). I find this series very interesting thus far and can't wait to see what will happen next!

novalysis

2012-07-27, 20:20

It's all very interesting, but with only 13 episodes to play around with, the last half may end up feeling very rushed. Too many interesting stories and concepts being thrown around, too little time to develop them properly.

If this was 26 episodes, then I'd say that the pacing feels just right. But 4 episodes in, out of a total of 13, and the beginning of new character plot-threads is quite a worrying sign, for a one Cour anime. It seems like there's alot of material to go on in the background, enough for 26 episodes, which has to be compressed into 13. For example, I don't even think there is time to explore the relationship between the Yuuki and the Club Adviser, beyond hints.

hyl

2012-07-27, 20:25

To be fair though when it comes to VN's, the character development of the heroines usually start in their own specific stories and not in the "common route". The anime is still in the common route

Clarami

2012-07-27, 23:53

Great episode, but seeing Aomi suffer like that is really unfair specially towards someone who has done nothing wrong and get persecuted for unfair selfish reasons. It sucks we don't see enough of Aomi to understand her personality, granted I haven't played the game, but let me get back on this in an anime sense. based on what I've seen/observed.

This episode made it clear that Aomi's a heroine that can be sympathized with because of the way she's horrendously treated because her status at the school. It's clear that she's poor, and works in a factory to maintain an education and provide for her family, and it pains her so much because she'll willingly to put up with this mistreatment for siblings it seems. Just watching her at the end, accompanied by dramatic music, during the episode really just kills me inside, and I really hope that she'll have the courage to ask for help and for someone to help her get through this.

All and all, excellent episode, don't care much for politics but the campaign is going smoothly for Oojima and the rest of the club members...for now, but Aomi I hope someone helps her. People can be cruel especially towards those who work hard for a noble goal and because of one's status. I know it's to add drama for the series, but she doesn't deserve this.

GenjiChan

2012-07-28, 05:16

Funny, but the Posters are more like a Campaign for next Anime Idol.

tsunade666

2012-07-28, 12:00

I had little time but still manage to watch it and still manage to comment and made a review of it. The episode itself is fun with still the election campaign in full throttle with the different strategy to won over the voters and different means to fund the campaign. I liked that part but the one I liked the most is their is more to Satsuki's manifesto and a hidden (a bit) of darkness into the story.

Bullying. One thing that totally pisses me of. The last part with the girls and the middle part with the boys pisses me of. The guys saying bad things and the girls even doing such physical harassment. That angers me and also the end part with her in the corridor. That's really sad.... it hits my heart that I even think of playing the game (if not for it being a moon rune game -_-)

I want to see next episode on how will he handle this new hurdle to his campaign as a president because his initial reason to stop the disbandment of club seems shallow for me and I will full on support Shinonome-san on her goal.

Om Nerabdator

2012-07-28, 12:10

Jmko

2012-07-28, 12:54

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2952/96141766.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/209/96141766.jpg/)

Our MC and Tachibana Junichi are on the same level of pervertedness. :heh:

Funny, but the Posters are more like a Campaign for next Anime Idol.

Looks like normal japanese campaign posters.

http://i.imgur.com/I7iyk.jpg

DragoonKain3

2012-07-28, 16:39

And that's the main reason I have struggled to find any interest in this show, while loving Kokoro Connect from the start.
...
But that's just me. Sorry to be negative. I'm still watching, hoping things will start to click for me.
To each their own Kaoru... you can't possibly like every anime in the sun (goodness knows there's a bunch of anime I hate that everyone else loves), so no need to be sorry. I personally love this show because it has such a heavy emphasis on the election part. Which is quite unique as I can't recall any anime like it, but I can understand that not everyone is going to like it.

Yes but different types of anime will often have different types of storytelling and that includes how it establishes it's identity
And I didn't say otherwise. I just personally have a beef with how Kokoro Connect did it's identity, as it took way too long.

These are all rather superfluous at the moment. I wouldn't say it's established itself quite well yet. I dodn't even realise there was a love triangle forming. I just thought Oojima was raising flags like normal. And I had no idea that her Choco phobia is tied to her obvious romance with Oojima that way.
If that's how you think... well, there's nothing I can say that will change your mind. I mean, how can you miss the scene where Chisato goes bonkers when Oojima meets up with Satsuki? :heh:

That's probably because Episode 3 is when it actually started happening when Episode 2 was mostly foreshadowing. There are definitely far less that thought it would still be light-hearted compared to those that already figured what the focus would be.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree here, considering that I can't convince you even when I pointed out that the majority of the 100 or so posts between episode 2 and 3 were still talking about non-heavy drama stuff like "If I switched bodies with a girl, I would be very curious" or my favourite part, shipping. XD

But no I don't think it could've gone either way. Heartseed definitely put a very sombre spin on things, Yui's hints were easy to spot (and were unlikely to be taken lightly) and Iori sealed the deal with her grim philosophical talk on what would happen to their identities. And of course the preview definitely helped.
Really, Heartseed was someone who put a 'sombre spin on things'? Mr. "I'm LITERALLY doing this for the lulz" can't go either way? I... I'm speechless on what to say. I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye Haak. :heh:

Haak

2012-07-28, 18:47

And I didn't say otherwise. I just personally have a beef with how Kokoro Connect did it's identity, as it took way too long.

That sounds more like a general comment than an actual argument.

If that's how you think... well, there's nothing I can say that will change your mind. I mean, how can you miss the scene where Chisato goes bonkers when Oojima meets up with Satsuki? :heh:

Played for laughs. I was actually even more convinced they weren't going to go anywhere too serious with a love triangle after seeing that.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree here, considering that I can't convince you even when I pointed out that the majority of the 100 or so posts between episode 2 and 3 were still talking about non-heavy drama stuff like "If I switched bodies with a girl, I would be very curious" or my favourite part, shipping. XD

Yeah but that's not even related to the topic of it's identity so we can't say they djdn't know. Most of the people who had something to say about it's identity generally said it had become a drama.

Really, Heartseed was someone who put a 'sombre spin on things'? Mr. "I'm LITERALLY doing this for the lulz" can't go either way? I... I'm speechless on what to say. I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye Haak. :heh:

Oh come on. Everything about that scene was about creating a tense and creepy atmosphere. How tense and unamused the main characters were, the serious music, the way violence was used. The fact that a supernatural being was so easily toying with thier lives just for kicks was also meant to add to the creepyness factor.
There wasn't anything lighthearted about that scene.

Master_Yoma

2012-07-28, 21:14

How many people are running it looks like the whole school is and how much cuter can Michiru get

Poor Isara she being bullied

Midonin

2012-07-28, 21:17

We'll have plenty of time to work out our issues with the show, because this is yet another program going on a two-week break (and subsequent two-episode return) because of the Olympiad.

relentlessflame

2012-07-28, 21:52

We'll have plenty of time to work out our issues with the show, because this is yet another program going on a two-week break (and subsequent two-episode return) because of the Olympiad.
Interesting. The Blu-Rays suggest the show will have 13 episodes, but the break (and double-broadcast) suggests the 13th episode could be a bonus episode and not air on TV. I guess we'll see...

Chaos2Frozen

2012-07-29, 02:49

So basically everything on Thursday late night is going on break?

superslinger2007

2012-07-29, 03:06

BladeEntity

2012-07-29, 09:12

Hmm the Aomi situation is extremely rage inducing... and also reminds me of another character from Yume Miru Kusuri who faced bullying named started with A too.

On another note the drama undercurrent being shown actually makes the series more interesting as well as raises my expectations for the other heroines who might possibly have just as equally bad "issues" or even worse. Aomi is bad enough but there is promise that it could become worse.

As far as the romance perspective of series goes which is an element, well the only heroine with definitive interest is Chisato who has probably own Ojima the longest. Aomi and Satsuki have shown interest but not full grown feelings and well the last 2 heroines unless that get explored are probably not part of the race. My support goes with Chisato its been a while since a childhood friend wins from a VN adaption and her backstory still proves to pique my interest.

The whole scene at the end definitely created lots of sympathy... its damn sad enough said.

DragoonKain3

2012-07-29, 10:37

That sounds more like a general comment than an actual argument.
Wait a minute... we were arguing about something here? Again, all I said was that Kokoro Connect took 3 episodes to know what its truly about, but you knew what you were getting into with KoiChoco with the very first episode. :eyespin:

Played for laughs. I was actually even more convinced they weren't going to go anywhere too serious with a love triangle after seeing that.
Meh. A 'not serious' love triangle is still a love triangle. Heck, I expect KoiChoco to be more grim with the Election part (or even the Choco part) than I do with the Koi/love triangle part. :shrug:

Yeah but that's not even related to the topic of it's identity so we can't say they djdn't know. Most of the people who had something to say about it's identity generally said it had become a drama.
Not with the second episode, at least not with 'most people' as you have not provided evidence to go beyond 'some people'. I mean, eight posts out of more than a hundred, and all they said that they were just hints to something that MAY be dark in the future, as nothing was explicit then. If that's how you define 'most'... well, I won't say anything more about the matter.

Oh come on. Everything about that scene was about creating a tense and creepy atmosphere. How tense and unamused the main characters were, the serious music, the way violence was used. The fact that a supernatural being was so easily toying with thier lives just for kicks was also meant to add to the creepyness factor.
There wasn't anything lighthearted about that scene.
I personally was actually amused by how 'tense and creepy' the scene was, but almost burst out laughing when he said the reason for his actions. I'm sorry, but it's very hard to take someone that seriously when the reason they did something is literally 'for the lulz'. But I guess if you can't see it that way, there's nothing I can do to convince you.

Pocari_Sweat

2012-07-29, 10:47

Hmm the Aomi situation is extremely rage inducing... and also reminds me of another character from Yume Miru Kusuri who faced bullying named started with A too.

I remember that character arc from the VN. God was that disturbing. Poor gal commits suicide if you get a bad end or don't choose her arc :frustrated:.

Anyways, back on the series. I was on the verge of dropping this but then Aomi started her arc which diverted attention from that god annoying Chisato. So it's back to watchable again. Still mega annoyed at the harem/VN cliches though.

MisaoFan

2012-07-29, 11:01

i know right i watched the first ep and saw that girl hit by the car at the start then what followed that..........it just didnt match at all so i dropped it straight away. i dont like animes who are jumping from one extreme to the next.

For me, they're added just to expect drama later on, which were already hinted at the start.

Obelisk ze Tormentor

2012-07-29, 11:25

I just read DragoonKain3’s post on page 22. Wow, I’ve never expected to be quoted as an example. :uhoh:
And what most people said about episode 2? This guy sums it up pretty nicely.
@DragoonKain3
You’re right. I thought Kokoro Connect was a lighthearted SoL anime at its core when I watched it’s first episode. Episode 2 didn’t change my perspective even though I was aware that some serious trouble is starting to creep in (or “foreshadowing “ as Haak said). But even then, I saw the potential that the anime will explore the body-swapping issues more seriously than in many other anime.

Yes, the body-swap is a tired premise, but how this series execute it is the interesting thing. It also help that some characters have their own family problem to add to the plot, but not too much to ruin the mood. Also, the “creepy guy” who somehow responsible for the body-swap turns out to be quite interesting. I guess that’s one question down, others will follow. By “seriously” I mean involving some character conflicts too which I know won’t be light-hearted anymore (even though we still get few light-hearted elements in the gloominess of episode 3 & 4). Also I’m glad they didn’t drop the “doom & gloom” in eps 2 yet. That makes Kokoro’s transition from cheerful to serious better. Also, some series do benefit from "misleading" episode 1 ^^Back on topic:
Wow, more and more about the election strategy! I like it very much! This is why I’m following this series. And yeah, realistically, I’ll def vote for Shinonome. Why? It’s obvious. On one side, we have Aomi, (from what we’re shown so far) a good lass and a very diligent student, live her school-life painfully coz her “lack of money”. On another side, we have our MC(s) who worked so hard to be elected just so they can still get money from school to have leisure time in their useless club that has no official achievement (or even no purpose) whatsoever? Thus, my vote will automatically goes to the one who has the guts to say no to these useless clubs and save school’s money for better and more noble use (and that one is Shinono).

Haak

2012-07-29, 11:29

Wait a minute... we were arguing about something here? Again, all I said was that Kokoro Connect took 3 episodes to know what its truly about, but you knew what you were getting into with KoiChoco with the very first episode. :eyespin:

I took this as a statement of fact:
One cour is too short to waste that much time just to get interesting.

But given that you were talking about personal opinion before that perhaps I misunderstood.

Meh. A 'not serious' love triangle is still a love triangle. Heck, I expect KoiChoco to be more grim with the Election part (or even the Choco part) than I do with the Koi/love triangle part. :shrug:

"Not serious love triangle" to me is just harem shenanigans and no attempt at drama.

Not with the second episode, at least not with 'most people' as you have not provided evidence to go beyond 'some people'. I mean, eight posts out of more than a hundred, and all they said that they were just hints to something that MAY be dark in the future, as nothing was explicit then. If that's how you define 'most'... well, I won't say anything more about the matter.

Most people that had something to say about its identity generally said it became a character drama or something to that effect:

Also de geso/A girl loaths guys, knows karate and gives mole/C girl a mouthful when mole/C Girl thinks it's okay to be alone at home. I really hope it's not as bad as I think it is.

Yeah, I'm getting very worrisome vibes from her male phobia as well. She has something dark in her past, I'd be willing to bet on it.

That was tremendously better than the first episode. I'm officially sold on this series. The body switching was handled a lot better, a couple characters (including Iori who came across as the most shallow last week) gained appreciable depth, and it was hinted the story might actually get pretty serious. It looks each of the kids have issues they need to resolve. Color me intrigued.

I think Taichi is going to help Yui out with her phobia problems more than the other characters.

I doubt this'll be a "thriller", but I'm definitely foreseeing a lot of drama and trauma. Everyone has their own issues, secrets they don't want revealed and motivations that people never really see

Kokoro Connect adds to the list of Animes that shouldn't be judged by their first episode, and it looks like they're diving into the serious side of the story right off the bat.

The first episode didnt look too promising but it seems like things are turning around. The characters are getting really interesting and I'm looking forward to next weeks episode now; lets hope Yui's backstory isn't what I think it is.

Wow this show has really drawn me in. Hope, as others have said, that they each find out more about each other then overcome their individual things together. Backstory!!

I watched the two starter episodes one after the other last night due to time constraints over the previous week, and I have to say that I am glad that I did. The first episode is very slow and feel like a heavy introduction with the main plot dynamic being used for a gag rather than something a bit deeper. If I had only watched that one episode and then had to wait a week, I'd have easily been underwhelmed as by the end of it I was a bit bored, unimpressed, and looking for something else. Thankfully, I had the second episode and I got to see the show really take itself into much more serious territory as it delved into some philosophical questions as well as the difficulty of the kids to deal with their changes in sexual identity.

this is the second series this season that pretty much flipped upsode down in the second episode in a good way, i pretty much thougth this was natsuiro kiseki wothout the fun(yuri), also silver link have been producing very interesting anime lately, an it seem this is one of those.

just watched the 2nd ep

the first ep was fun and enjoyable but i feel this is gonna get alot darker from now on which im not looking forward too and that little argument about Iori being home alone just made it certain that later on we will see a scene with someone being inside Ioris body at home being attacked then suddenly switching back again, then everyone trying to save her.

I really do feel that this is gonna happen :(

The 2nd episode certainly had a more darker feel to it compared to the first, its unexpected but certainly welcomed. Let's see how good they can make it.

Hm. I feel a bit guilty for writing this series off initially.

Mind you, it's nothing spectacular. However, it's much better than my expectations warranted. From the looks of it, the whole body-switching schtick works not only for the sake of introducing hilarious scenarios but also as a device for exposing each character's individual stories. I'm certainly glad at the direction this has taken thus far. Right now, it's a good combination of fun and tense.

The mood in ep.2 was quite different, much more serious... color me surprised, I was somewhat disappointed with the first episode, but the staff now showed some ambition in their work :D

Holy fuck, things got serious really quick. Lovin it.

I like how, with this episode, Kokoro Connect is going in a much more serious direction. The dialogue was excellent, and there was a nicely intense/ominous feeling to many of the scenes.

BTW, is it me, or does the series which start from a mystery light-hearted comedy, turning into a sort of dark drama mystery? (most comedy is starting to disappear)

I personally was actually amused by how 'tense and creepy' the scene was, but almost burst out laughing when he said the reason for his actions. I'm sorry, but it's very hard to take someone that seriously when the reason they did something is literally 'for the lulz'. But I guess if you can't see it that way, there's nothing I can do to convince you.

That would make it Narmish, not lighthearted. If you thought it was amusing, it certainly wasn’t intentional. That would be like me saying the hug in episode 3 was not an actual attempt at drama (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=4264066&postcount=331) despite it clearly being so.

Rayrah

2012-07-29, 13:39

http://i.imgur.com/DexAUl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/DexAU.jpg)

http://i.imgur.com/HVk3Ql.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/HVk3Q.jpg)

Satsuki looks great in a bikini. :3

MisaoFan

2012-07-29, 14:13

http://i.imgur.com/DexAUl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/DexAU.jpg)

http://i.imgur.com/HVk3Ql.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/HVk3Q.jpg)

Satsuki looks great in a bikini. :3

I loved both pics, and the shadow used in the first one looks gorgeous. It's nice for me to see those main heroines in swimsuits, too bad we wouldn't get a beach episode.

Pen3

2012-07-29, 14:21

I rather get a pic of Hazuki in swimsuit.

OceanBlue

2012-07-29, 14:38

Chisato is so adorable.

Mahou

2012-07-29, 14:40

"Not serious love triangle" to me is just harem shenanigans and no attempt at drama.

And just because a serious love triangle contains drama doesn't automatically conclude that the used drama is in any form and utilisation well-done. All those drama triangle I, at least, have read and watched has been pretty BS and were as fun as banging your head against a wall. Then again, I count to the group of people who don't need any form of drama to be entertained, so I'm very, very biased against it :heh:

@episode 4: Someone should push those b!tchy bully girls down a cliff or at least slap them multiple times in the face. It's sad that Yuuki, Chisato or Satsuki (due to her anti-bully sub-point on her mainfesto) weren't there at that time to kick them out.
Other than this rage-moment (which provoked the correct "rage emotion"), the episode was rather normal. Main focus still on Chisato and Satsuki; and possibly the start line for Isara? The election preparations seem to progress without too much difficulties (thanks to Chisato and the current student president) and Yuuki's in thinking mode after reading Satsuki's manifesto again, so maybe he will consider another selling point as well than just saving the club(s).

hyl

2012-07-29, 15:31

Even a "non serious love triangle" can result into drama. An example that i can think of was Toradora.

Haak

2012-07-29, 15:58

And just because a serious love triangle contains drama doesn't automatically conclude that the used drama is in any form and utilisation well-done. All those drama triangle I, at least, have read and watched has been pretty BS and were as fun as banging your head against a wall. Then again, I count to the group of people who don't need any form of drama to be entertained, so I'm very, very biased against it :heh:

I'm aware of that. The point was that I don't think one scene that was played for laughs actually suggests it will turn serious. I just assumed it would be typical harem hijinks and nothing more. If there's anything that can go either way, it's that.

Even a "non serious love triangle" can result into drama. An example that i can think of was Toradora.

That's probably because there wasn't a love triangle at first and when one formed, it was generally treated seriously

hyl

2012-07-29, 16:57

I'm aware of that. The point was that I don't think one scene that was played for laughs actually suggests it will turn serious. I just assumed it would be typical harem hijinks and nothing more. If there's anything that can go either way, it's that.

That's probably because there wasn't a love triangle at first and when one formed, it was generally treated serious.

As if the hint at the end of episode 1 of Toradora didn't suggest that Taiga would eventually fall in love with Ryuuji or other hints like the opening monologue or the title ToraDora itself.

Haak

2012-07-29, 18:15

Yeah but those hints were serious too.

hyl

2012-07-29, 19:41

I personally thought that some of hints were subtile , seeing that both of the title characters had already someone whom they had a crush on.

As for Koichoco anime itself, i am anxiously waiting how the anime will handle connecting all the (sub)stories at one point.

SoFarGone

2012-07-29, 23:13

So does Satsuki want to cut/disband club budgets and use that money for scholarships in her manifesto? Sounds good to me.

hyl

2012-07-30, 05:33

So does Satsuki want to cut/disband club budgets and use that money for scholarships in her manifesto? Sounds good to me.

Actually Satsuki's plan prevents students with less income going to Takafuji, because if i am not mistaken she also wanted to abolish the scholarships.
edit: yeah, that is somewhat her idea of stopping the discrimination problem. By not letting those students enter in the first place.

zgmf-x19a

2012-07-30, 15:36

Has anyone here played the game ?
If yes could someone please post a summary with spoilers tags regarding the different story for each heroine ?
Please pm the summary instead :)

OceanBlue

2012-07-30, 15:51

Has anyone here played the game ?
If yes could someone please post a summary with spoilers tags regarding the different story for each heroine ?

Or have them PM it to you. :heh:

Haak

2012-07-30, 15:56

Yes, spoilers are not allowed on anime threads. There's a Game thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=108645) you can go to.

zgmf-x19a

2012-07-30, 15:57

Or have them PM it to you. :heh:

sure PM is fine too :)

technomo12

2012-07-31, 12:20

Ok that was RAGE inducing!!!!!!!!!

reminds me of that another girl being bullied to extreme ends and decides to suicide if you dont get her good end arc

and also reminds me of a certain school bullying in sankaku

as for MC running for president
well lets hope he wont take this lightly if he ever gets appoint as president i do hope that he would be smart about it and well let shinonome Do the club disbandment but on a controlled state also DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE FINANCIAL AID bullying

if not id vote for shinonome since im with the GO home club

zgmf-x19a

2012-07-31, 14:50

I think Yuki wants to maintain all the clubs and he will now do something about the bullying of financial aid students

technomo12

2012-07-31, 15:06

I think Yuki wants to maintain all the clubs and he will now do something about the bullying of financial aid students

better yet

make shinonome her Vice prez/treasurer
to make sure that all school funds are not WASTED un neededly

and i soo want spoilers on every Route soo who ever played the game pls Spoilers

pme me a wall of text

relentlessflame

2012-07-31, 17:33

and i soo want spoilers on every Route soo who ever played the game pls Spoilers

pme me a wall of text
You don't need to ask for a PM, just go ask in the game thread instead. The people who have played the game can respond there. (That said, speaking for myself, it's been a while since I've played, so I don't remember all the details enough to write that "wall of text"...)

SoFarGone

2012-07-31, 21:04

I think Yuki wants to maintain all the clubs and he will now do something about the bullying of financial aid students

lets be honest the food club is lame. All you do is eat snacks. Its almost as useless as the air sumo club. These clubs should be disbanded.

Midonin

2012-07-31, 21:07

The snacking does serve a purpose. It serves as the testing ground for Yume's latest confectioneries. For that reason, at least, it should be kept around.

MisaoFan

2012-07-31, 21:14

lets be honest the food club is lame. All you do is eat snacks. Its almost as useless as the air sumo club. These clubs should be disbanded.

I rather disagree with you. I always want Yuki to try his best at studying food rather than eating snacks with his friends because he's the protagonist after all. I also wanted him to mentally defeat Satsuki too. :p

relentlessflame

2012-07-31, 21:55

lets be honest the food club is lame. All you do is eat snacks. Its almost as useless as the air sumo club. These clubs should be disbanded.
Well, I guess the question is: how much is their budget? I am assuming that it can't be all that high, given that their needs aren't all that high either. It also isn't clear how that funding is determined. I think part of the issue is that, under Satsuki's plan, some clubs get their funding cut, but others get disbanded, and she has made the determination of what falls under what category. It would probably be more fair to come up with a new funding formula and some sort of a review process, rather than "I've decided you don't deserve to exist". Being on the Finance Committee, I assume that she's worked all the numbers and has come up with a plan that would appear to reach the goal with the smallest overall impact on an objective level, but the way she's going about it will certainly rub the affected people the wrong way. So it's sort of like: right idea, perhaps, but wrong implementation. It makes her seem arrogant/conceited (like "I know what's best for you") when she should be opening a dialogue. Of course, with the way the power structure works at that school, and the heavy emphasis on the three big players, there's reason to believe that those inconvenienced/upset are too few to make a difference (and that may have been why they chose to close all the small clubs in the first place). Which opens the door for "a populist candidate", Yuuki.

(Incidentally, while she's cutting the funding and eliminating the smaller clubs, how are the bigger groups, like her own, being affected by the cut-backs? That's probably the key line of "attack"; is she being fair, or just favouring the big established groups?)

Edit: To be clear, this has nothing to do with the "nobility" of her reasons for doing it, hence the conflict that Yuuki is feeling right now. He may believe in what she's doing, but still has to fight against it if he wants to win.

Arturia Polaris

2012-07-31, 22:00

Food club is a waste of resources. I agree with oopai-sama on that point.

If those resources went into financial aid they'd be much more productive. Let kids buy their own snacks. If that actually happened IRL where a few clubs are trying to buy their sports equipment and another club is just buying snacks and "researching" them, people would rage.

Cheers
Arturia

Guardian Enzo

2012-08-01, 00:58

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2012-08-01, 01:25

technomo12

2012-08-01, 01:28

I read that totally differently. It seemed to me that she was arguing that instead of forcing the aid students to work off their tuition, there would be a scholarship fund for them - and some of that money would come from the savings in abolishing some of the clubs.

yes its was stated in that manifesto that she wants to abolish the financial aid system and replace it with a scholar ship system since lets be honest its waaaaaaaaay better than doing PHYSICAL labor so that you can study

it will only lower ones self esteem even more and the discrimination will worsen

unlike scholarship system they may bully her but lets face it a Top ranking person even though poor will commend recognition and more possible a better future

relentlessflame

2012-08-01, 01:34

Actually Satsuki's plan prevents students with less income going to Takafuji, because if i am not mistaken she also wanted to abolish the scholarships.
edit: yeah, that is somewhat her idea of stopping the discrimination problem. By not letting those students enter in the first place.

I read that totally differently. It seemed to me that she was arguing that instead of forcing the aid students to work off their tuition, there would be a scholarship fund for them - and some of that money would come from the savings in abolishing some of the clubs.

Well, I'm not sure about either of these things (and, to be clear, I completely forget what happened in the game in this regard, so I'm only going on what the anime is saying).

In Episode 4, Satsuki implies that she's making the budget cuts for a reason, and implores him to read her full manifesto. When Yuuki does read the manifesto, the first thing he discovers is the bit about the scholarship students. So there is clearly a connection between the need to save money, and whatever they intend to do about the scholarship students. If they were to abolish the program, you would think that would save money, which should invalidate the need for all the cutbacks. So, I don't think it would make any sense from what we've seen if her proposal is to use the club savings (?) to eliminate a scholarship program. It does make more sense, in context, if her proposal is to at least replace the scholarship program with something else so that the students will be recognized as full-fledged students, and not be bully targets.

They also previously commented that some of her policies regarding the scholarship students wasn't terribly popular, and given that they seem to be widely disliked, I don't think a policy about "getting rid of them" would provoke that reaction (isn't that what the bullies want?).

So yeah... something isn't clear here.

Edit: Ah!
yes its was stated in that manifesto that she wants to abolish the financial aid system and replace it with a scholar ship system since lets be honest its waaaaaaaaay better than doing PHYSICAL labor so that you can study

it will only lower ones self esteem even more and the discrimination will worsen

unlike scholarship system they may bully her but lets face it a Top ranking person even though poor will commend recognition and more possible a better futureYes, I see. So that means basically both original points are right, but hyl misstated slightly. She is eliminating the financial aid program (support based on financial need) and replacing it with a scholarship program (support based on academic merit regardless of financial status). So it means that some students who aren't up to academic par may be asked to leave, but those who remain will be those with academic merit. And because of that, the students in the scholarship program won't have to work to supplement the amount of the scholarship, thus the program will be more expensive than the existing system. Hence the need for cuts to the clubs.

technomo12

2012-08-01, 01:44

Well, I'm not sure about either of these things (and, to be clear, I completely forget what happened in the game in this regard, so I'm only going on what the anime is saying).

In Episode 4, Satsuki implies that she's making the budget cuts for a reason, and implores him to read her full manifesto. When Yuuki does read the manifesto, the first thing he discovers is the bit about the scholarship students. So there is clearly a connection between the need to save money, and whatever they intend to do about the scholarship students. If they were to abolish the program, you would think that would save money, which should invalidate the need for all the cutbacks. So, I don't think it would make any sense from what we've seen if her proposal is to use the club savings (?) to eliminate a scholarship program. It does make more sense, in context, if her proposal is to at least replace the scholarship program with something else so that the students will be recognized as full-fledged students, and not be bully targets.

They also previously commented that some of her policies regarding the scholarship students wasn't terribly popular, and given that they seem to be widely disliked, I don't think a policy about "getting rid of them" would provoke that reaction (isn't that what the bullies want?).

So yeah... something isn't clear here.

edit
also there is no POOR student who is is lower than rank 50
i know since in my school and collage all top rankees half of them are the lower than the lower class people...

Edit: Ah!
Yes, I see. So that means basically both original points are right, but hyl misstated slightly. She is eliminating the financial aid program (support based on financial need) and replacing it with a scholarship program (support based on academic merit regardless of financial status). So it means that some students who aren't up to academic par may be asked to leave, but those who remain will be those with academic merit. And because of that, the students in the scholarship program won't have to work to supplement the amount of the scholarship, thus the program will be more expensive than the existing system. Hence the need for cuts to the clubs.

well one can have high academic merit if one persist
it may sound harsh but with this them scholarship grantee wont be targeted by them annoying Bullies.................
and in turn have more time learning and getting along with the student body
im not saying financial aid system is bad but lets face it with that system it will be hard to live a life of a student instead your like doing part time job instead of keeping the money, all income goes to school for tuition fees

edit
there is no POOR student who is rank 100 below
since they are poor the poor always strie to be the best no matter what
tried and proven both in anime and reality
and i can vouch since in my school and former college all ther top 50 rankees almsot all of the scholarship grant student i know is in that top 50

relentlessflame

2012-08-01, 01:56

im not saying financial aid system is bad but lets face it with that system it will be hard to live a life of a student instead your like doing part time job instead of keeping the money, all income goes to school for tuition feesYes, this is a good point. With the current system the way it's implemented now, it would be very hard for the financial aid students to improve their academic standing and fit in with the rest of the school because of their work situation. Having to do this work means they can't participate in clubs or other extra-curricular activities, and the time they spend working means that they're also not able to use that time to study to improve their grades. And given the fact all the money they make goes to the school, they may be forced to take additional odd jobs (like she did in this episode) to help make ends meet. So the Financial Aid system they have now is fundamentally flawed -- it lets people who are otherwise unable go to the school, sure, but it basically turns their school life into a "second-tier" experience. It's natural that they're being ostracised.

technomo12

2012-08-01, 02:22

Yes, this is a good point. With the current system the way it's implemented now, it would be very hard for the financial aid students to improve their academic standing and fit in with the rest of the school because of their work situation. Having to do this work means they can't participate in clubs or other extra-curricular activities, and the time they spend working means that they're also not able to use that time to study to improve their grades. And given the fact all the money they make goes to the school, they may be forced to take additional odd jobs (like she did in this episode) to help make ends meet. So the Financial Aid system they have now is fundamentally flawed -- it lets people who are otherwise unable go to the school, sure, but it basically turns their school life into a "second-tier" experience. It's natural that they're being ostracised.

thank you sir you have given a more detailed version of my point

that i was trying to say but cant seem to put it in text >_<

SRanger

2012-08-01, 02:31

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2012-08-01, 02:47

Is this show worth picking up? I couldn't even stand the first couple of minutes or so (it's pretty bad in my opinion), but I am ..intrigued, by the classroom teacher. Is there a romance with her at all?
Watch it until episode 3. I think you'll get a hint for the teacher there. You can decide after that. If you want spoiler, you can go to KoiChoco Game thread.

hyl

2012-08-01, 06:22

Haak

2012-08-01, 06:39

hyl

2012-08-01, 06:54

It was also my understanding that Satsuki was trying to abolish clubs to save money for the scholarship students funding. And that makes me root for her even more. Honestly it's kinda hard to get into this Election business when the POV is the team that I really want to lose. To me they're no less annoying than the Air Sumo club.

I wish Satsuki was the main character...

Without using any game spoilers and only based on the anime, i think it's too early to say that. While there is a relation between the budget cuts and the scholarship changes, you can't conclude that based on the (partially readible) manifest that she is using the saved money for directly assisting scholarship fundings.

technomo12

2012-08-01, 06:55

Based on Satsuki's manifest, she indeeds want to reform the current "ketoku" with a regular scholarship. If i am not mistaken, any form of scholarships in japan do have to be paid back at some point, while you are exempt from paying fees using the current system by "working for it". I am pretty sure this will deter lots of people with low income going to Takafuji.

Yeah, all of the speculations on the scholarship matter are mostly correct so far. The anime has not mentioned a few details (yet) for any further detailed explanation.

really??
you will pay em back at some point???
aint it already covered in income tax cuts?
well im not to sure about scholarship but in my country there is 3 types of scholar ship

Type 1 Valedictorian scholarship
100% free admission and no need to pay tuition fees and other collective fees all you have to pay are the uniform and books

Type 2 Salutatorian scholarship
50% discount on all fees except books and uniform

Type3 Athletical scholarship
Discount and freebies will depend on your athletic results and academic grades

but im soo rooting for shinonome
but still i do hope MC wont just run for SC Pres. just to save his club
i want him together with former SC press and Shinonome to make an EPIC trio team of anti corruption SC >_<