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karburator
2012-03-16, 04:00
How can I get more Azure fruits?

Also how do I proceed in the dijenel borderland's monster nest in order to get electric bones?

doujin
2012-03-16, 06:22
after getting this far in the game i cant believe im asking this, but is con for defense vs meele dmg and res defense vs magic?

Wigwams
2012-03-16, 06:26
azure fruits are very high drops from green slime (putteto...?). i get mine from mining those with mil and my garden had some azure fruit plants.

karburator
2012-03-16, 06:33
What's mil?

Wigwams
2012-03-16, 06:52
its an ACC that gives +1 move and +1 drop. so every monster you kill gives 2 items instead of 1.

full name is Ful's Mill.

Mahou
2012-03-16, 06:56
How can I get more Azure fruits?

Also how do I proceed in the dijenel borderland's monster nest in order to get electric bones?

Defeat the trolls and let the yellow monster go the the "!"-area. It won't attack you, so just focus on the trolls so that it won't be defeated. Once it reaches the mark, you can enter that area, where the farm spots are.

karburator
2012-03-16, 08:12
its an ACC that gives +1 move and +1 drop. so every monster you kill gives 2 items instead of 1.

full name is Ful's Mill.

Defeat the trolls and let the yellow monster go the the "!"-area. It won't attack you, so just focus on the trolls so that it won't be defeated. Once it reaches the mark, you can enter that area, where the farm spots are.

Thanks!
One more thing, how do I get Ful's Mill?

Mahou
2012-03-16, 08:29
Thanks!
One more thing, how do I get Ful's Mill?

It's in a chest in I think the Lake zone (not the one where you met Suina). You need the bronze key for it. It should be in the free battle zone.

@Will: I agree that his limited weapon choice is during the normal run very annoying. In maps with those annoying dark warping-enemies he's useless. He was a big help against water-type enemies, though and I let him gain as much exp with the earth axe as I could there. Yuela has her awesome holy sword and other options and Seravi and Emilita magic. But Crayanne seems vastly superior that Cray. Not only did she start two levels higher than the team, she seems overall more powerful. Feeling-wise she's critical hit-happy.

Xacual
2012-03-16, 08:47
It's in a chest in I think the Lake zone (not the one where you met Suina). You need the bronze key for it. It should be in the free battle zone.

@Will: I agree that his limited weapon choice is during the normal run very annoying. In maps with those annoying dark warping-enemies he's useless. He was a big help against water-type enemies, though and I let him gain as much exp with the earth axe as I could there. Yuela has her awesome holy sword and other options and Seravi and Emilita magic. But Crayanne seems vastly superior that Cray. Not only did she start two levels higher than the team, she seems overall more powerful. Feeling-wise she's critical hit-happy.

Crayanne has one of the more useful accessories of the party member ones as well, giving double action. It's a drop from Treants.

karburator
2012-03-16, 09:38
It's in a chest in I think the Lake zone (not the one where you met Suina). You need the bronze key for it. It should be in the free battle zone.

@Will: I agree that his limited weapon choice is during the normal run very annoying. In maps with those annoying dark warping-enemies he's useless. He was a big help against water-type enemies, though and I let him gain as much exp with the earth axe as I could there. Yuela has her awesome holy sword and other options and Seravi and Emilita magic. But Crayanne seems vastly superior that Cray. Not only did she start two levels higher than the team, she seems overall more powerful. Feeling-wise she's critical hit-happy.

Thank you.

I'm farming Guthounds but I only get Electric Skins and Fangs but no Bones.
Is there a requirement for it or is it just rare?

Flying Dagger
2012-03-16, 09:49
Thank you.

I'm farming Guthounds but I only get Electric Skins and Fangs but no Bones.
Is there a requirement for it or is it just rare?

I think bones are excavation only.

//How do I make more crimson seals on Serawi's route?

doujin
2012-03-16, 09:49
hey guys take screen shot of ur house and show it
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q83/doujinftw/kami.jpg

Wigwams
2012-03-16, 10:09
question about gaptahl.

when does he join my party? im already at chapter 9, nearing the end. i believe i finished his quest line where we agreed to neutrality...

molitar
2012-03-16, 10:18
its an ACC that gives +1 move and +1 drop. so every monster you kill gives 2 items instead of 1.

full name is Ful's Mill.

Does the one wearing Ful's Mill have to do the kill for the +1 drop?

Wigwams
2012-03-16, 10:49
Does the one wearing Ful's Mill have to do the kill for the +1 drop?

yeah you need the one equipped with it to do the killing blow.

Flying Dagger
2012-03-16, 11:19
Only room for a harem.
http://i.imgur.com/jdhNy.jpg
Too lazy to change the store to match the theme.

doujin
2012-03-16, 11:25
Only room for a harem.
http://i.imgur.com/jdhNy.jpg
Too lazy to change the store to match the theme.

lol u put nothing in workshop also what the requirement for magnus rank?

Xacual
2012-03-16, 11:43
I think bones are excavation only.

//How do I make more crimson seals on Serawi's route?

You're right bones are excavation only, you have to unlock the cave at Monster Nest and use the mining spot there.

You can't, it's a Yuela route specific item. Like the mining bracelet is for Serawi route.

lol u put nothing in workshop also what the requirement for magnus rank?

First you need to reach Lord through the storyline. Then you should get an event after that to reach Meister, you might need to have met and fought Asmodeus by then, I don't remember. Then once you recruit Asmodeus you should get a quest that requires Wil to reach 500 kills. Once you get your 500th one, he'll go up to Magnus right there. the 400 command limit is very handy, I can finally use whatever unit I want without worrying about the limit now.

Flying Dagger
2012-03-16, 11:45
lol u put nothing in workshop also what the requirement for magnus rank?

but if I put anything in the workshop there wouldn't be enough room for the ladies...

Magnus = Wil gets 500 kills after getting to Meister.

doujin
2012-03-16, 12:17
You're right bones are excavation only, you have to unlock the cave at Monster Nest and use the mining spot there.

You can't, it's a Yuela route specific item. Like the mining bracelet is for Serawi route.



First you need to reach Lord through the storyline. Then you should get an event after that to reach Meister, you might need to have met and fought Asmodeus by then, I don't remember. Then once you recruit Asmodeus you should get a quest that requires Wil to reach 500 kills. Once you get your 500th one, he'll go up to Magnus right there. the 400 command limit is very handy, I can finally use whatever unit I want without worrying about the limit now.

?? ok i did that but my is dominus, wait, did i pass him? lol

molitar
2012-03-16, 12:34
Hmm. Should I put this on Ful's Mil on Aht for the +1 movement or on Yuela because she makes the most kills..

How rare is that pure anklet? Been killing there forever it seems and no drop for it yet. Sat there until turn 35 letting earthmen spawn to get the occassional tainted earthman. I worked Will up a couple levels this way had Servalwi just heal Will while he repeatedly killed the tainted since he currently was wearing Ful's Mill.. And Servalwi to weedle them down.. but no drop for Pure Anklet.

Ok what is best for workshop? Skills or Tools? I still pretty low on the recipe table at Artisan 5 and I have to find quality branch now for the one bow since I now have some feathers.. no wonder I had such problem finding feathers only about 4 or 5 kills before feathers started dropping so I was killing them off too fast and closing portal before that. Now I milk portals for their worth first.

doujin
2012-03-16, 12:37
Hmm. Should I put this on Ful's Mil on Aht for the +1 movement or on Yuela because she makes the most kills..

How rare is that pure anklet? Been killing there forever it seems and no drop for it yet. Sat there until turn 35 letting earthmen spawn to get the occassional tainted earthman. I worked Will up a couple levels this way had Servalwi just heal Will while he repeatedly killed the tainted since he currently was wearing Ful's Mill.. And Servalwi to weedle them down.. but no drop for Pure Anklet.

Ok what is best for workshop? Skills or Tools? I still pretty low on the recipe table at Artisan 5 and I have to find quality branch now for the one bow since I now have some feathers.. no wonder I had such problem finding feathers only about 4 or 5 kills before feathers started dropping so I was killing them off too fast and closing portal before that. Now I milk portals for their worth first.

i find that the drop rate is higher when u the one who getting attack instead of u attacking them.

Mahou
2012-03-16, 12:46
Ugh, I hated the last part of the Gantz questline. Those bloody bandits did much damage, unless the character was Uya, the fox lady or Yuela. 9 - 15 damage to Will, while he dealt 5 or so >_<. I just had him camp the starting zone. For that I could let him loose during his duo quest with Melodiana.
The fox lady wa a god blessing, though. Her fox fire magic was insanely useful. Bowling Ball as usual and Crayanne's magic, too. But, the hassle was worth it. Welcome Ful's Mil no°2. I have also now one of those infamous barkeeper quests available. 50x the item of which I need to farm one ingredient anew again.

Question about Will's second armor enhancements: Which is suggested to focus on? Hit - Avoid, Stregth - Con. I didn't progress much and just kept the default choices.

doujin
2012-03-16, 12:50
Ugh, I hated the last part of the Gantz questline. Those bloody bandits did much damage, unless the character was Uya, the fox lady or Yuela. 9 - 15 damage to Will, while he dealt 5 or so >_<. I just had him camp the starting zone. For that I could let him loose during his duo quest with Melodiana.
The fox lady wa a god blessing, though. Her fox fire magic was insanely useful. Bowling Ball as usual and Crayanne's magic, too. But, the hassle was worth it. Welcome Ful's Mil no°2. I have also now one of those infamous barkeeper quests available. 50x the item of which I need to farm one ingredient anew again.

Question about Will's second armor enhancements: Which is suggested to focus on? Hit - Avoid, Stregth - Con. I didn't progress much and just kept the default choices.

the melee knight using fire sword give ur char the iffrit or inferno necklace

Xacual
2012-03-16, 12:56
Ok what is best for workshop? Skills or Tools? I still pretty low on the recipe table at Artisan 5 and I have to find quality branch now for the one bow since I now have some feathers.. no wonder I had such problem finding feathers only about 4 or 5 kills before feathers started dropping so I was killing them off too fast and closing portal before that. Now I milk portals for their worth first.

Skills just determine how much synthesis experience you get from making something. It's extremely easy to reach M rank so Skills is a useless stat especially since you get the same amount of experience no matter you make, so just make a lot of random small items and you'll level fast. Tools reduces the amount of items needed to make things. At 66 tools, everything but a few items requires 1 only. So cloth instead of requiring 3 string, takes 1, etc. Mutate just lets a few certain items change into different items, usually better ones when you craft them. In NG+ you can get up to 100 tools while still increasing mutate to like 250%.

Why did I not know there was a foursome scene if you put all the girls in gothic outfits. I was wondering why there wasn't an h-scene for that outfit when I upgraded Serawi's.

Flying Dagger
2012-03-16, 13:07
In general I stack Tools. If you make an effort to make at least 1 of every new recipe you should rank up without much difficulty. Its not too hard until S->M.
Store: stack price
Room: knowledge
Yard: stack sense
Note that you only need to hit a certain knowledge/sense benchmark once to unlock a recipe. After that you can revert back to other thngs. This is most important for yard as the highest +sense addons may not be what you really want to grow.

Rare drops are very RNG based. I am current farming for the character accessories in NG+ dungeons. Got 2 of them for Asmodeus but some just refuse to drop.

I put my Ful's Mil on Yuela/Melodianna early on because they were my vanguards. I will make sure they at least kill something every turn, and any additional kills scored during retaliation are only icing on the cake.

I did not use Aht much: her only real action time is when I need to whoop her out to tank a dragon - also leveling her in the process. She is wayyyy too slow.



Ugh, I hated the last part of the Gantz questline. Those bloody bandits did much damage, unless the character was Uya, the fox lady or Yuela. 9 - 15 damage to Will, while he dealt 5 or so >_<. I just had him camp the starting zone. For that I could let him loose during his duo quest with Melodiana.
The fox lady wa a god blessing, though. Her fox fire magic was insanely useful. Bowling Ball as usual and Crayanne's magic, too. But, the hassle was worth it. Welcome Ful's Mil no°2. I have also now one of those infamous barkeeper quests available. 50x the item of which I need to farm one ingredient anew again.

Question about Will's second armor enhancements: Which is suggested to focus on? Hit - Avoid, Stregth - Con. I didn't progress much and just kept the default choices.

Depends highly on how you use Wil. I usually have Yuela tanking the damage while Wil protects her with Guardian and Cover. Due to Yuela's high speed score it is very possible that both of an enemy's attacks would be nullified. Under this setup Str+Hit would be optimal.

If you like to march Wil into the middle of no where and solo rooms go with Con and Hit. Wil's evade, iirc, is somewhat low which makes Evade not as good.

thefitz
2012-03-16, 13:49
Guys I need some help here. I'm stuck at Chapter 6 right after choosing the rich merchant to search for Gantz. I've completed all the maps that I can complete with the brown key and the only thing I can think of that I'm missing is an event with Emilita's Earth Pumpkin Robe which is missing ramius stone ingredient that I can't seem to get no matter what since none of the maps has it from what I see. Maybe I'm missing a creature specific that has it since I don't have a complete monster list. I also can't seem to complete quest 64 and 70 which is investigate and complete altar for the creature. I also have quest 73 Search for Gantz and quest 76 Anti-Angel incomplete. Any tips here will be appreciated.

doujin
2012-03-16, 14:01
Guys I need some help here. I'm stuck at Chapter 6 right after choosing the rich merchant to search for Gantz. I've completed all the maps that I can complete with the brown key and the only thing I can think of that I'm missing is an event with Emilita's Earth Pumpkin Robe which is missing ramius stone ingredient that I can't seem to get no matter what since none of the maps has it from what I see. Maybe I'm missing a creature specific that has it since I don't have a complete monster list. I also can't seem to complete quest 64 and 70 which is investigate and complete altar for the creature. I also have quest 73 Search for Gantz and quest 76 Anti-Angel incomplete. Any tips here will be appreciated.

some of the quest will need to progress through chapter u wont able to finish it all in one chapter check for the quest chapter deadline.

Flying Dagger
2012-03-16, 14:07
Guys I need some help here. I'm stuck at Chapter 6 right after choosing the rich merchant to search for Gantz. I've completed all the maps that I can complete with the brown key and the only thing I can think of that I'm missing is an event with Emilita's Earth Pumpkin Robe which is missing ramius stone ingredient that I can't seem to get no matter what since none of the maps has it from what I see. Maybe I'm missing a creature specific that has it since I don't have a complete monster list. I also can't seem to complete quest 64 and 70 which is investigate and complete altar for the creature. I also have quest 73 Search for Gantz and quest 76 Anti-Angel incomplete. Any tips here will be appreciated.

Ch6 ends with an exam in the mines. Is that available?


?? ok i did that but my is dominus, wait, did i pass him? lol

Ok, MY question: how did YOU get dominus?
=)

Farming all those unique accessories took all the time away from progression.

doujin
2012-03-16, 15:13
Ch6 ends with an exam in the mines. Is that available?




Ok, MY question: how did YOU get dominus?
=)

Farming all those unique accessories took all the time away from progression.

if only i could remember im confuse why my title is different from ur i think i had magnus for a very short time then sudden change to dominus.
hmm is ur will lv 99?

Flying Dagger
2012-03-16, 15:28
if only i could remember im confuse why my title is different from ur i think i had magnus for a very short time then sudden change to dominus.
hmm is ur will lv 99?

Nope, not yet.

//All those NG+ characters with Double Action via accessories are kicking ass. Even Yuela: freeing up that one skill slot allows me to get all the skills I need, as Flurry III and Pierce II can be obtained from equipment.

thefitz
2012-03-16, 15:35
Flying Dagger

Ch6 ends with an exam in the mines. Is that available?

Unfortunately, no. I'm missing something crucial to progress. By the way, I'm fighting the Yuela route. I can post pics if it helps.

doujin
2012-03-16, 15:44
[QUOTE=Flying Dagger;4056060]Nope, not yet.

//All those NG+ characters with Double Action via accessories are kicking ass. Even Yuela: freeing up that one skill slot allows me to get all the skills I need, as Flurry III and Pierce II can be obtained from equipment.[/QUO
some of the special equipment for certain character that u get from the 90 dungeons mobs give the double movement such as: jet black gem - ragsmuena it give her the double movement but it wont show in the description

Xacual
2012-03-16, 15:53
Damn Thunder Peaks, trying to 100% control it in 8 turns is a pain in the ass with the shifting flight barriers and monsters charming half my characters half the time. I think I'll have to wait and come back with some more portal stones to close every portal immediately upon entering. I wish I had more characters with forcefield like Wil, he just goes through all the monsters like crazy because only their ranged attacks apply the debuffs.

On the bright side at least I got Eliza's artifact out of that failed try.

doujin
2012-03-16, 15:57
Damn Thunder Peaks, trying to 100% control it in 8 turns is a pain in the ass with the shifting flight barriers and monsters charming half my characters half the time. I think I'll have to wait and come back with some more portal stones to close every portal immediately upon entering.

On the bright side at least I got Eliza's artifact out of that failed try.

not as hard as pagan seal 100% in 7th turn those angel are bitchin

Xacual
2012-03-16, 16:09
not as hard as pagan seal 100% in 7th turn those angel are bitchin

As long as they don't do a status effect I really don't care, if necessary I could brute force it with constant resses and redeploying if they die. If your unit gets charmed you can't do that, I'd almost rather they just died. Well you can forcibly withdraw them with an egress stone but then you have to wait til next turn to redeploy.

Flying Dagger
2012-03-16, 16:11
not as hard as pagan seal 100% in 7th turn those angel are bitchin

I actually did not have much trouble with Pagan Seal, did not even use portal stones (do those work on flags?).

Phema Mountains is a nightmare. Characters get stuck inside barriers, did not bring enough rubber bracelets (3 is not enough -_-)... you get all sorts of debuffs from range 5 mobs and they like to spread the love to your entire party. On a bad turn I would have 2 guys stuck inside barriers, 4 guys charmed, and the rest would miss half their attacks even with hawkeye bracers.

Unfortunately, no. I'm missing something crucial to progress. By the way, I'm fighting the Yuela route. I can post pics if it helps.

Post a screenshot of your mission log under info.

doujin
2012-03-16, 16:23
I actually did not have much trouble with Pagan Seal, did not even use portal stones (do those work on flags?).

Phema Mountains is a nightmare. Characters get stuck inside barriers, did not bring enough rubber bracelets (3 is not enough -_-)... you get all sorts of debuffs from range 5 mobs and they like to spread the love to your entire party. On a bad turn I would have 2 guys stuck inside barriers, 4 guys charmed, and the rest would miss half their attacks even with hawkeye bracers.



Post a screenshot of your mission log under info.

there new equipment call bull eye ring from one of the place u explore it give u the recipe: 100hit 25 critical/ req rubber bracelet, desert sand and ghost essence

thefitz
2012-03-16, 16:37
Ok here it is:

http://uploadingit.com/file/ttu4bhavsps2k3x0/PIC1.jpg

doujin
2012-03-16, 16:41
Ok here it is:

http://uploadingit.com/file/ttu4bhavsps2k3x0/PIC1.jpg

did u make 3 imp tail and 3 shadow ball thingy

thefitz
2012-03-16, 16:47
doujin
3 imp tail and 3 shadow ball thingy

No I haven't. That's probably what I'm missing. I can make the imp tail now but what shadow ball? Is it maybe dazzling ball?

Nvm After checking what I'm missing in quests it's really dazzling ball I'm missing. Yay now I can continue on with the game.

doujin
2012-03-16, 16:49
No I haven't. That's probably what I'm missing. I can make the imp tail now but what shadow ball? Is it maybe dazzling ball?

yeh dazzling ball 3 of each: after u done making it, if u not going to use it in the fight keep it, don't sell, since when u do a replay u will encounter this quest again, u just have to make 1 of each next time.

Mahou
2012-03-16, 16:53
Aht's second class change was quite good. Her total 4 move count makes her that more viable for now especially as a hp tank character. Normally, 4 move should also be standard for flyers like Melodiana, but you cannot have everything :D. Suina and Emelita suffer from their low movement; they cannot make it always in time unless I send them first in the mob. Uya's power-up quest was also quite cool and he remains very useful with his high movment range.
What about Sharty? I think she loves her job as shop clerk :heh: I fear I missed many class events with her since level 14 :upset:
Nontheless, dear developers, why did you bother to give Will two earth-weapons in a row? It's not like he would be overpowered, had he for example a wind-weapon instead.
And before I completely forget it: Since this also has ero-scenes; most of them have been crap. Simple as that. The slowly growing romance between Will and Yuela wasn't too bad, just nothing astonishing either.

doujin
2012-03-16, 16:54
Aht's second class change was quite good. Her total 4 move count makes her that more viable for now especially as a hp tank character. Normally, 4 move should also be standard for flyers like Melodiana, but you cannot have everything :D. Suina and Emelita suffer from their low movement; they cannot make it always in time unless I send them first in the mob. Uya's power-up quest was also quite cool and he remains very useful with his high movment range.
What about Sharty? I think she loves her job as shop clerk :heh: I fear I missed many class events with her since level 14 :upset:
Nontheless, dear developers, why did you bother to give Will two earth-weapons in a row? It's not like he would be overpowered, had he for example a wind-weapon instead.
And before I completely forget it: Since this also has ero-scenes; most of them have been crap. Simple as that. The slowly growing romance between Will and Yuela wasn't too bad, just nothing astonishing either.

this game is what call comedy ero

Xacual
2012-03-16, 17:10
Aht's second class change was quite good. Her total 4 move count makes her that more viable for now especially as a hp tank character. Normally, 4 move should also be standard for flyers like Melodiana, but you cannot have everything :D. Suina and Emelita suffer from their low movement; they cannot make it always in time unless I send them first in the mob. Uya's power-up quest was also quite cool and he remains very useful with his high movment range.
What about Sharty? I think she loves her job as shop clerk :heh: I fear I missed many class events with her since level 14 :upset:
Nontheless, dear developers, why did you bother to give Will two earth-weapons in a row? It's not like he would be overpowered, had he for example a wind-weapon instead.

Emelita will get levitation and double action in NG+ so don't worry there. 4 movement is actually really slow in NG+. I think most of my units either move at least 5, or have double action so they're moving a possible 8+. Not counting Mylen who has double action and like 8 move, she's ridiculous.

No I haven't. That's probably what I'm missing. I can make the imp tail now but what shadow ball? Is it maybe dazzling ball?

Nvm After checking what I'm missing in quests it's really dazzling ball I'm missing. Yay now I can continue on with the game.

If something shows up in the mission tab, not just the quests tab, then it's required for the main storyline.


Phema Mountains is a nightmare. Characters get stuck inside barriers, did not bring enough rubber bracelets (3 is not enough -_-)... you get all sorts of debuffs from range 5 mobs and they like to spread the love to your entire party. On a bad turn I would have 2 guys stuck inside barriers, 4 guys charmed, and the rest would miss half their attacks even with hawkeye bracers.


Oh man, isn't it? I got it on my 2nd replay, so third time doing the map. Burned 5 portal stones and 4 teleport stones. Also about 6 res potions ressing Uya attacking a creature, getting killed, repeating until he reduced 3 monsters down to about <20% health. He survived the next time so I couldn't do it again, though he got range nuked during the enemy turn anyway.

Not related but I hate the materials required for some of the ultimate weapons, one requiring a Marwen's Ring? Like I'm going to make that anytime soon.

Flying Dagger
2012-03-16, 17:14
I honestly just skip all the ero, I always just want to move on to the next dungeon.

Wil will eventually become very powerful... just wait for it...

//Every once in a while my characters gain +1 mov along with their level ups (outside of class change)
Mylen atm has 10 mov, +2 if I stacked Ful's.

thefitz
2012-03-16, 17:26
doujin

yeh dazzling ball 3 of each: after u done making it, if u not going to use it in the fight keep it, don't sell, since when u do a replay u will encounter this quest again, u just have to make 1 of each next time.

Ok thanks I'll keep it in mind since I am planning to keep playing this until I unlock everything. :D

Xacual

If something shows up in the mission tab, not just the quests tab, then it's required for the main storyline.

Yeah, sorry about that guys. I have been playing this game for like the last 2 weeks nonstop for like 8 hours a day 24/7 so my mind must have turned to mush. Truth is I'm not even 100% sure I'm at Yuela's Route since it's my first playthrough.

Xacual
2012-03-16, 17:34
Yeah, sorry about that guys. I have been playing this game for like the last 2 weeks nonstop for like 8 hours a day 24/7 so my mind must have turned to mush. Truth is I'm not even 100% sure I'm at Yuela's Route since it's my first playthrough.

It's pretty easy to tell, by chapter 6 you should have had a h-scene with the heroine whose route you are on.

Flying Dagger
2012-03-16, 18:12
Not all the ultimate weapons can be made in NG+ I think. The +service gem is required for all the Eushully angels' weapons and I only have 2 of them...

Rayrah
2012-03-16, 18:14
I honestly just skip all the ero, I always just want to move on to the next dungeon.

Hm, what about normal scenes, do you speed through them? Just a little curious, because I imagine doing dungeon after dungeon must get fairly tedious after some time.

Meh. Farming 50 Yellow Fruits is taking a ridiculous amount of time..

Flying Dagger
2012-03-16, 18:21
Hm, what about normal scenes, do you speed through them? Just a little curious, because I imagine doing dungeon after dungeon must get fairly tedious after some time.

Meh. Farming 50 Yellow Fruits is taking a ridiculous amount of time..

Normal scenes I read. Ero = no plot. Normal scenes explain why I am going out of my way to do something even though they are usually pretty silly (and often times they tell you what you have to do for the current chapter).


Question: any of you gotten accessories off the 1st run in lv90 dungeons? I always end up going back to farm for those. I wish I have 9 mils and tears!

Rayrah
2012-03-16, 18:32
Normal scenes I read. Ero = no plot. Normal scenes explain why I am going out of my way to do something even though they are usually pretty silly (and often times they tell you what you have to do for the current chapter).
Ah, fair enough. I personally find the normal scenes to be a much needed breather from dungeon crawling. I guess it helps that I like most of the characters in the game.

Xacual
2012-03-16, 18:43
Question: any of you gotten accessories off the 1st run in lv90 dungeons? I always end up going back to farm for those. I wish I have 9 mils and tears!

You can get weapon drops, I just got a dragonfire staff and icicle gloves, during first run of the 90 dungeons but the artifact accessories are only after you've done it once so you have to do them. I can't find this missing area in Phema Sluicegate. Only enemy left alive is a Garuda and I'm not killing it until I find it. I've gotten the hidden room in top right and in bottom left but my searchers aren't find anything anywhere else.

Edit: Nevermind I figured it out. Hidden Areas that require teleport, that's new.

Flying Dagger
2012-03-16, 19:01
NG+ maps:
http://www7b.biglobe.ne.jp/~innocent_gamer/kamidori/kamidori_dungeon.html

Thanks. Just starting Phema Sluicegate was curious if I should just farm on run 1. This one seem the easiest out of the set.

doujin
2012-03-16, 19:28
hey anyone notice how funny it is that wil have service point but he never able to put in manage shop

Flying Dagger
2012-03-16, 19:35
I find the last evolution of Yuela's sword to be more outrageous... it even adds +10 to service...

doujin
2012-03-16, 20:37
I find the last evolution of Yuela's sword to be more outrageous... it even adds +10 to service...

serving sushi?

molitar
2012-03-16, 23:17
I need some help.. I have all the maps completed in chapter 5 except the 98% one that requires a silver key. I have done Gantz and the dragon but I still have not got the opportunity to advance. Any idea why this would be?

BTW where is the mud so I can do the next Sense level item? I haven't got furniture board yet either for the Ramen Shop.. I have a fountain and the spa. I have purchased all the recipes.. And Koho has joined me as a guest in town but I am not able to go to chapter 6. What am I missing?

mangafreak7793
2012-03-16, 23:25
How can use remove cursed items like soul maul out of a party member?

doujin
2012-03-16, 23:36
How can use remove cursed items like soul maul out of a party member?

go to church and ask for remove curse or buy from church the remove talisman it cost more but u can switch weapon in battle

doujin
2012-03-16, 23:38
I need some help.. I have all the maps completed in chapter 5 except the 98% one that requires a silver key. I have done Gantz and the dragon but I still have not got the opportunity to advance. Any idea why this would be?

BTW where is the mud so I can do the next Sense level item? I haven't got furniture board yet either for the Ramen Shop.. I have a fountain and the spa. I have purchased all the recipes.. And Koho has joined me as a guest in town but I am not able to go to chapter 6. What am I missing?

print screen of of ur current mission so we can be clear on how far u got to

Xacual
2012-03-17, 00:08
So I didn't look too hard but does anyone have a link to a list of which artifacts for characters are from where. So far I know Suina and Paraskevas are from Phema Sluicegate, and Elizasleyn is from Thunder Peaks.

Oh and I guess Hannah is crafted from the item you get from one of her escort quests.

doujin
2012-03-17, 00:39
So I didn't look too hard but does anyone have a link to a list of which artifacts for characters are from where. So far I know Suina and Paraskevas are from Phema Sluicegate, and Elizasleyn is from Thunder Peaks.

Oh and I guess Hannah is crafted from the item you get from one of her escort quests.

wil- adventure set-orc- Valkyrie fall
yuela-eastern hairpin-gigas(lol clear this thing like cross dress) valkyrie fall
emelita-ziltery insgnia-thunder wyrm-phema mountain
ragsmuena-jetblack gem-daitengu-mirrage forrest
phinilly-fairy wing-razor wing- phema mountain
eukleia-wooden sword(its not a weapon)-norn-valkyrie fall
eushully-white maid charm-valkyrie-valkyrie fall
blk eushully-black maid charm-idisi-valkyrie fall
anastia-eggy bucket-devilfish-phema sluicegate
melodiana-blue sky bracer-cherubim-advent bay
crayane-twin leaf clover♀-farnir-mirrage forrest
aht-training dumbell-jormungand-mirrage forrest
uya-tail ornament-freki-phema mountain
gaptahl- gaptah saddle-garuda-phema sluicegate

these are the one i find so far include the 3 u mention above

Flying Dagger
2012-03-17, 01:58
http://i.imgur.com/f9CZG.png
Plus fifty HP!!


- Phema Mountain -
Fire weapon recipes, Anti-death accessory recipe
Emelita-ziltery insgnia-thunder wyrm
Phinilly-fairy wing-razor wing
Uya-tail ornament-freki
Elizasyln - Liebe Microphone - Siren

- Mirrage Forrest-
Earth weapon recipes
crayane-twin leaf clover♀-farnir
aht-training dumbell-jormungand
ragsmuena-jetblack gem-daitengu
Serawi: elven ornament - erdgeist
Roka: Marsterria Crest - Bahamut


- Phema Sluicegate -
Ice weapon Recipes, Faithful Necklace (anti-charm) recipe
Kohakuran: Flame Pouch - Quetzalcoatl
gaptahl- gaptah saddle-garuda
Anastia-eggy bucket-devilfish
Paraskevas: Shell of Memories - Abyssal Terror
Suina: Ice Mana Soul - Lenia Vea

- Valkyria Fall -
Wind Weapon Recipes
wil: adventure set-orc
yuela-eastern hairpin-gigas(lol clear this thing like cross dress)
eukleia-wooden sword(its not a weapon)-norn
eushully-white maid charm-valkyrie
blk eushully-black maid charm-idisi
Lyphia: Manfil Proof - Drakaina

- Advent Bay -
Crayl - Twin Leaf clover : ascended ones
Lily - Demon Lord Shard: chest where the princess was on 2nd run
Mylen - Magician Mask: Pale Rider (only 2, no spawn)
Asmodeus: Beggiade Veil Ophanium
Evelyn: Ring of Control - Seraphim
Melodianna: Blue Sky Bracers: Cherubim

Sharty: Beautiful Jewels: 250 sense, Valkyrie Falls cleared.
Leguna - Pompous mantle: Mutation from Red mantle
Stone Golem - Almighty Stone: Mutation from animation stone

Mahou
2012-03-17, 02:13
I need some help.. I have all the maps completed in chapter 5 except the 98% one that requires a silver key. I have done Gantz and the dragon but I still have not got the opportunity to advance. Any idea why this would be?

BTW where is the mud so I can do the next Sense level item? I haven't got furniture board yet either for the Ramen Shop.. I have a fountain and the spa. I have purchased all the recipes.. And Koho has joined me as a guest in town but I am not able to go to chapter 6. What am I missing?

I post the missions that are in my list for chapter 5 - Yuela's route: Help Raka Village, Talk to your friends, Go to Misanshel (Wil level 22, 5x large potion, large stimulant, large ether), get promoted. I'm sure you have the necessary evaluation rating and your store + workshop upgraded. If you have the money you can simply buy the large potion and co. at the Church.
Mud can be farmed at the spots in Yuidora mines. Furniture board is in the Alchemy section under the "other"-tab. If it's not available yet, wait for the next chapter or increase your synth. rank.

doujin
2012-03-17, 02:53
http://i.imgur.com/f9CZG.png
Plus fifty HP!!



emelita-ziltery insgnia-thunder wyrm-phema mountain
ragsmuena-jetblack gem-daitengu-mirrage forrest
phinilly-fairy wing-razor wing- phema mountain

anastia-eggy bucket-devilfish-phema sluicegate
crayane-twin leaf clover♀-farnir-mirrage forrest
aht-training dumbell-jormungand-mirrage forrest
uya-tail ornament-freki-phema mountain
gaptahl- gaptah saddle-garuda-phema sluicegate


- Valkyria Fall -
wil- adventure set-orc- Valkyrie fall
yuela-eastern hairpin-gigas(lol clear this thing like cross dress) valkyrie fall
eukleia-wooden sword(its not a weapon)-norn-valkyrie fall
eushully-white maid charm-valkyrie-valkyrie fall
blk eushully-black maid charm-idisi-valkyrie fall
Lyphia: Manfil Proof - Drakaina

- Advent Bay -
Crayl - Twin Leaf clover : ascended ones
Lily - Demon Lord Shard: chest where the princess was on 2nd run
Mylen - Magician Mask: Pale Rider (only 2, no spawn)
Asmodeus: Beggiade Veil Ophanium
Evelyn: Ring of Control - Seraphim
Melodianna: Blue Sky Bracers: Cherubim

dagger see if u can get permission to put in the info at kamidori wiki

Xacual
2012-03-17, 03:06
I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but I'd guess Quetzalcoatl from Phema Sluicegate drop something for Leguna then? I haven't had any luck getting their drop yet, only 6 of them total on the map, though the saddle from Garudas was surprisingly fast.

doujin
2012-03-17, 03:13
I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but I'd guess Quetzalcoatl from Phema Sluicegate drop something for Leguna then? I haven't had any luck getting their drop yet, only 6 of them total on the map, though the saddle from Garudas was surprisingly fast.

since we on the topic leguna - red mantle able to mutate to pompous mantle.

Xacual
2012-03-17, 03:16
since we on the topic leguna - red mantle able to mutate to pompous mantle.

Oh right I forgot about that item.

Flying Dagger
2012-03-17, 03:45
The same goes for the animation stone->Almighty stone for the golem.


I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but I'd guess Quetzalcoatl from Phema Sluicegate drop something for Leguna then? I haven't had any luck getting their drop yet, only 6 of them total on the map, though the saddle from Garudas was surprisingly fast.

I suspect its for kohakuren? Not too sure as I haven't gotten around to farm that place yet.

...

meanwhile, the plague in Yuidora and it surroundings celebrated its anniversary as the lord of Yuidora continues to travel to exotic places with his harem to farm for accessories...

tlm10516
2012-03-17, 03:56
i have sin gate but there are no materials to gather there? im at a loss as to wat im supposed to do unless i need to get that giant devil first

ahhh sneaky hidden room DX found it! lol

Xacual
2012-03-17, 04:50
Kind of surprised there wasn't another event with Asmodeus after clearing the final Yuidora Mine area. It seemed like it would have.

Mahou
2012-03-17, 04:56
I want to slap the developper who thought it's a good idea to allow only three skills :mad: Suina's quest class change gave her a handful skills (and +1 move <3) and I have no clue which to choose. Not counting that it's pretty ridiciouslous that a WATER mana must equip dive to travel on water ... The positive? Wil with double order is very nice, though I will most likely only use it when I send him alone to fight (like the battle that requires the Crimson Seal).
I also finally could craft Yuela's holy armor. Yes, I still didn't enhance any of her armor and have kept her in her normal one so far :heh: And Mr. Sea Giant joined Wil's colorful and mixed group. I love also Melodiana's quest line because her developing feelings towards Wil has been quite lovely. Would have been a nice route in a classic VN setting, maybe (except of drama).

molitar
2012-03-17, 08:09
Misanshel, was what I was missing even though it did not say it was required to progress. BTW is Emelita's holy armor really worth it? With the bonuses I did on her previous armor it still seems to outpower the holy armor. I am find the fire armor to be the best all around armor for Yuela and if I was not enhancing her fire armor I would not have gotten the one scene. I did not know enhancing armor was required for scenes. She is the route I am on.

karho
2012-03-17, 09:00
Is there a Chapter requirement for Hannah's escort quest to Melodiana's church? I am currently in Chapter 3 in NG+.
I got Melodiana to join, did the Orange Jellies quest, spent over 10,000 at the church, yet I can't get the quest to trigger.

tlm10516
2012-03-17, 10:01
How exactly does enhanced barrage work? her range is only 9 sometimes. do the parts of the dungeon get in the way or maybe i need to have control of the area near my enemy?

Flying Dagger
2012-03-17, 10:55
I want to slap the developper who thought it's a good idea to allow only three skills :mad: Suina's quest class change gave her a handful skills (and +1 move <3) and I have no clue which to choose. Not counting that it's pretty ridiciouslous that a WATER mana must equip dive to travel on water ... The positive? Wil with double order is very nice, though I will most likely only use it when I send him alone to fight (like the battle that requires the Crimson Seal).
I also finally could craft Yuela's holy armor. Yes, I still didn't enhance any of her armor and have kept her in her normal one so far :heh: And Mr. Sea Giant joined Wil's colorful and mixed group. I love also Melodiana's quest line because her developing feelings towards Wil has been quite lovely. Would have been a nice route in a classic VN setting, maybe (except of drama).

Too bad Melo is only a side character :(. Melo's development feels better than Yuela's (which "happened suddenly").
For Yuela I liked her Earth armor for the evade and high str. Investing some in fire armor for Pervail is nice to have too. (And try to get the 1st tier of elemental attacks of each armor:makes her a lot more useful and not restricted by her sword's property)

Keep an extra crimson seal or two around: you will need one for NG+ and wouldnt be able to make it unless you are in Yuela's route.

Misanshel, was what I was missing even though it did not say it was required to progress. BTW is Emelita's holy armor really worth it? With the bonuses I did on her previous armor it still seems to outpower the holy armor. I am find the fire armor to be the best all around armor for Yuela and if I was not enhancing her fire armor I would not have gotten the one scene. I did not know enhancing armor was required for scenes. She is the route I am on.
Did you have the 5xlarge potion+ether+stimulant?
Do not worry too much about enhancing armor until NG+ where you can really afford it.
You keep the skills granted by an armor even if you are not wearing it (ie: all the spells from holy can still be used if wearing pumpkin suit).
Optimally speaking just wear the armor "of the right element". Or simply wear your best upgraded armor.
Skill wise I liked the pumpkin robes for Pervail and Soul Shield. I think she looks the best in Sage robes (and it offers best defense via resistances).

Is there a Chapter requirement for Hannah's escort quest to Melodiana's church? I am currently in Chapter 3 in NG+.
I got Melodiana to join, did the Orange Jellies quest, spent over 10,000 at the church, yet I can't get the quest to trigger.

Its not 10k, its 80k plus various item collection quests (there are more after orange jelly). You do not get to finish it until ch7 when Eliza joined.

How exactly does enhanced barrage work? her range is only 9 sometimes. do the parts of the dungeon get in the way or maybe i need to have control of the area near my enemy?

It is a range 9 walking distance from where the caster is standing. Walls may be in the way.

tlm10516
2012-03-17, 11:34
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx255/tlm10516/CG000000.jpg

so any reasons why i cant hit that bird of prey even though i have 9 range?

doujin
2012-03-17, 11:59
Is there a Chapter requirement for Hannah's escort quest to Melodiana's church? I am currently in Chapter 3 in NG+.
I got Melodiana to join, did the Orange Jellies quest, spent over 10,000 at the church, yet I can't get the quest to trigger.

spend 70,000 more

doujin
2012-03-17, 12:01
http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx255/tlm10516/CG000000.jpg

so any reasons why i cant hit that bird of prey even though i have 9 range?

because u using enhanced barrage what u looking for is enhanced battery

tlm10516
2012-03-17, 12:31
because u using enhanced barrage what u looking for is enhanced battery

.................forget my stupidity.................

Mahou
2012-03-17, 13:11
Where can I find a Mifu Dragon :confused:? It isn't listed in any of my maps, unless its one of those monsters which appear after x turns from the purple portals. Need them to make Serawi's multi-element armor (or it only appears on her route). I'm currently in the last chapter of Yuela's route.

Flying Dagger
2012-03-17, 13:11
Where can I find a Mifu Dragon :confused:? It isn't listed in any of my maps, unless its one of those monsters which appear after x turns from the purple portals. Need them to make Serawi's multi-element armor (or it only appears on her route).


Shrine of Flame. You get it eventually (I think ch7?) along with Kohakuren being usable. It is to the north of the spawn point: need someone who can see hidden paths to gain access. Same with most other dragons, attacks are mainly earth base and are weak against wind. Sniping with Elven bow should level your 3 archers very quickly with Aht blocking the dragon's path.


//


Made http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=4056750&postcount=563 a little better
someone edit it into the Kamidori wiki because I am lazy :)

Still have to farm mirage forest - doing that place last because of all the projectile defense+big HP/SP/FS drain every single turn. Takes 4FS to move a single tile -_-.

I think for newer players the order should go:
Phema Sluicegate: You get anti-charm accessory there. Monsters spawn slowly and some cannot even retaliate range attacks, not too terrible abilities. No need for special movement skill (except teleport to open up the deployment gates). Mobs weak against Earth elements.

Phema Mountains:
You get anti-death accessory there. Every single mob comes with a range 5 spell that have a chance to cause multiple debuffs (so bring a lot of cures). Requires a lot of rubber bracers+flight.
Anti-charm (faithful) accessory and a good selection of fire casters make this place very easy. The NG+ +hit accessory makes it easier to kill the high avoidance hounds but not necessary.
Note that Yuela's and Eukleia's accessories from Valkyrie Falls grants them Forcefield which can trivialize this map as well. Having some teleportation stones on this map helps. This place has the most annoying mobs if you are not prepared.

Valkyrie Falls:
Everything (except trolls) uses death proc attacks with vorpal counter. Having Anti-death accessories make this place very very easy. Mobs are weak vs fire. Bring a few teleportation stones as well.



// These two should probably be done after two runs of Phema Sluicegate to get characters over lv90+ range:
Mirage Forest:
You get +hit accessory by finishing the dungeon. Mobs all have projectile defense and are weak vs Wind. Big HP/SP/FS drain every turn (Earth typed armor on heroines prevent the drain, I believe Aht and Crayanne are unaffected as well - but Crayanne does not melee too well...).
Shield III, Prevail and Cover, Counter on mobs on top of their projectile defense makes them rather durable.

Advent Bay:
Everything beside non-respawning mobs are weak vs Dark. Angels hit hard with undress III+Pervail. They also come with either Forcefield (no ranged attacks), Seal (no attack skill can be used against them), or Projectile Defense. IMO this place drops the most useful accessories (on a 2nd run) and also each boss drops a decently powerful elemental weapon. I would say this place has the most dangerous mobs.

doujin
2012-03-17, 13:18
Shrine of Flame. You get it eventually (I think ch7?) along with Kohakuren being usable. It is to the north of the spawn point: need someone who can see hidden paths to gain access. Same with most other dragons, attacks are mainly earth base and are weak against wind. Sniping with Elven bow should level your 3 archers very quickly with Aht blocking the dragon's path.


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Made http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=4056750&postcount=563 a little better
someone edit it into the Kamidori wiki because I am lazy :)

Still have to farm mirage forest - doing that place last because of all the projectile defense+big HP/SP/FS drain every single turn. Takes 4FS to move a single tile -_-.

I think for newer players the order should go:
Phema Sluicegate: You get anti-charm accessory there. Monsters spawn slowly and some cannot even retaliate range attacks, not too terrible abilities. No need for special movement skill (except teleport to open up the deployment gates). Mobs weak against Earth elements.

Phema Mountains:
You get anti-death accessory there. Every single mob comes with a range 5 spell that have a chance to cause multiple debuffs (so bring a lot of cures). Requires a lot of rubber bracers+flight.
Anti-charm (faithful) accessory and a good selection of fire casters make this place very easy. The NG+ +hit accessory makes it easier to kill the high avoidance hounds but not necessary.
Note that Yuela's and Eukleia's accessories from Valkyrie Falls grants them Forcefield which can trivialize this map as well. Having some teleportation stones on this map helps.

Valkyrie Falls:
Everything (except trolls) uses death proc attacks with vorpal counter. Having Anti-death accessories make this place very very easy. Mobs are weak vs fire. Bring a few teleportation stones as well.



// These two should probably be done after two runs of Phema Sluicegate to get characters over lv90+ range:
Mirage Forest:
You get +hit accessory by finishing the dungeon. Mobs all have projectile defense and are weak vs Wind. Big HP/SP/FS drain every turn (Earth typed armor on heroines prevent the drain, I believe Aht and Crayanne are unaffected as well - but Crayanne does not melee too well...).

Advent Bay:
Everything beside non-respawning mobs are weak vs Dark. Angels hit hard with undress III+Pervail. They also come with either Forcefield (no ranged attacks), Seal (no attack skill can be used against them), or Projectile Defense. IMO this place drops the most useful accessories (on a 2nd run) and also each boss drops a decently powerful elemental weapon.

also note that seraphim and cherubim have reflect it not list in the monster info i think it have to do with their weapon

karburator
2012-03-17, 13:21
Are there any consequences for using deadbeat?

Flying Dagger
2012-03-17, 13:30
Are there any consequences for using deadbeat?

You get labelled as a deadbeat, will feel terrible until you beat the king putteto at the end (lv70) - not sure if that's a NG+ only thing.

I actually cleared deadbeat for the first time yesterday and it was... a lot easier than I expected.

karburator
2012-03-17, 13:35
What does being labeled as deadbeat does to me?

I'm already feeling terrible :\

Flying Dagger
2012-03-17, 13:39
What does being labeled as deadbeat does to me?

I'm already feeling terrible :\

Gameplay wise, nothing. It just makes you (the player) feel terrible for using the deadbeat dungeon.

karburator
2012-03-17, 13:40
It's working alright..

mangafreak7793
2012-03-17, 15:25
One question. Does anyone know where and who has the rare item exclusively for party members?

doujin
2012-03-17, 15:28
One question. Does anyone know where and who has the rare item exclusively for party members?

dagger take his time and make a list already look at it http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=4056750&postcount=563

Flying Dagger
2012-03-17, 15:56
Just finished farming every single one of those accessories.
Technically Lily has 2 of them: the soul and the doll. Doll is nice for the Trophy Hunter (which is +10str/int) making it a +15str vs bosses (which is everything in lv90 dungeons). However at the same time there are other accessories such as Bullseye ring which gives +25 crit.

Desperation bracers on Lily is not that good because Bloodsuck should keep her at max health all the time. While bloodsuck I and II may suck in the lower levels, bloodsuck III's guaranteed proc+higher dps on your character makes it the best defensive skill there is imo.

doujin
2012-03-17, 16:02
Just finished farming every single one of those accessories.
Technically Lily has 2 of them: the soul and the doll. Doll is nice for the Trophy Hunter (which is +10str/int) making it a +15str vs bosses (which is everything in lv90 dungeons). However at the same time there are other accessories such as Bullseye ring which gives +25 crit.

Desperation bracers on Lily is not that good because Bloodsuck should keep her at max health all the time. While bloodsuck I and II may suck in the lower levels, bloodsuck III's guaranteed proc+higher dps on your character makes it the best defensive skill there is imo.

hey dagger have u manage to figure out what bahamut 3rd drop is yet?
and does anyone know who the 4 th monster that able to drop angel beads so far i only know these 3: elizasleyn, principatus ,and voice of god.
also where to get Athena gem

Flying Dagger
2012-03-17, 16:51
hey dagger have u manage to figure out what bahamut 3rd drop is yet?
and does anyone know who the 4 th monster that able to drop angel beads so far i only know these 3: elizasleyn, principatus ,and voice of god.
also where to get Athena gem

I edited my post: its the accessory for Roka.


my info says Tainted Angel drops beads @ Yuidoria mine with base lv80. Cant check which one atm as I am inside a dungeon. Will edit that in "soon" (tm).

I am guessing Athena gem is the +int gem (it is the only missing gem). I guess its am Emelita route only thing?

Poor Emelita getting neglected in our games...

Xacual
2012-03-17, 16:59
I edited my post: its the accessory for Roka.


my info says Tainted Angel drops beads @ Yuidoria mine with base lv80. Cant check which one atm as I am inside a dungeon. Will edit that in "soon" (tm).

I am guessing Athena gem is the +int gem (it is the only missing gem). I guess its am Emelita route only thing?

Poor Emelita getting neglected in our games...

There are two Tainted Angels in Sharty's challenge level. That's not a good spot to farm though, the other place they appear is the second level 95 dungeon that is the end of the Asmodeus questline, there are two portals there that spawn them. I got 6 angel beads just doing the mission fast and closing the portals asap. It's the Room of Legensaad. You have to have completed every other mine level to get it.

Also I think Sharty's item is crafted, I remember seeing materials for it, requires bags of gems, and some other stuff.

I chose to do Emelita's route last when I was told she had the best story. I really enjoy doing these 90 dungeons though, the recipes they unlock sometimes include weapons for Lily, Golem and Leguna that I can make a bunch of because of a stock of mats. Stone Golem's gauntlets especially seem to sell for a lot. After I finished Mirage Forest I got to put about 1.2m worth of stuff up. Surprisingly Phinilly could actually range nuke them pretty good despite projectile defense because of the element advantage.

doujin
2012-03-17, 17:01
I edited my post: its the accessory for Roka.


my info says Tainted Angel drops beads @ Yuidoria mine with base lv80. Cant check which one atm as I am inside a dungeon. Will edit that in "soon" (tm).

I am guessing Athena gem is the +int gem (it is the only missing gem). I guess its am Emelita route only thing?

Poor Emelita getting neglected in our games...

i seen ur post on bahamut but he also able to drop 1 more item do u might know what is it?

Flying Dagger
2012-03-17, 17:10
i seen ur post on bahamut but he also able to drop 1 more item do u might know what is it?

http://i.imgur.com/JZhOQ.png

Not very useful at all.


The japanese NG+ map site was moved:
http://chaosmemo.net/kamidori/kamidori_dungeon.html

Rayrah
2012-03-17, 17:12
Arena Special Battle -- Rank M. What the hell. Seriously. Am I doing something wrong or is this match ridiculously difficult? Any characters capable of killing the enemies can't handle the damage, and those who can endure the attacks, can't deal enough damage to kill the monsters. So uh, yeah, help please.

After a bit of grinding, all of my party is within the lv40-lv42 range. Sharty is awsum. :>

The latest discussion makes me want to focus on Emelita instead of Serawi in my next playthrough.

doujin
2012-03-17, 17:16
Arena Special Battle -- Rank M. What the hell. Seriously. Am I doing something wrong or is this match ridiculously difficult? Any characters capable of killing the enemies can't handle the damage, and those who can endure the attacks, can't deal enough damage to kill the monsters. So uh, yeah, help please.

After a bit of grinding, all of my party is within the lv40-lv42 range. Sharty is awsum. :>

The latest discussion makes me want to focus on Emelita instead of Serawi in my next playthrough.

um u might want try yuela with earth armor evade shield focus on strength and evade
were u able to upgrade her sword to crescent moon it have disruptor good again melkaviel

Tiberium Wolf
2012-03-17, 17:19
God! I am already lost in the party usable items because even if the item is at 0, also not being used by anyone, there is still the damn picture of it. Each new item to put in your inventory the icon stays there.

Can anyone tell me what does the Con attribute do?

doujin
2012-03-17, 17:25
God! I am already lost in the party usable items because even if the item is at 0, also not being used by anyone, there is still the damn picture of it. Each new item to put in your inventory the icon stays there.

Can anyone tell me what does the Con attribute do?

i think con is melee defense and res is magic defense

Xacual
2012-03-17, 17:26
Arena Special Battle -- Rank M. What the hell. Seriously. Am I doing something wrong or is this match ridiculously difficult? Any characters capable of killing the enemies can't handle the damage, and those who can endure the attacks, can't deal enough damage to kill the monsters. So uh, yeah, help please.

After a bit of grinding, all of my party is within the lv40-lv42 range. Sharty is awsum. :>

The latest discussion makes me want to focus on Emelita instead of Serawi in my next playthrough.

You mean the M ranked 1v5 fight? You probably will want to use Yuela with her crescent sword. Then make sure you have Prevail 3, and some other skills that keep her alive because she will get low and if you're relying on just evade dodging then you'll be in trouble. Once she gets to about 30-40% hp she should be just about one rounding the robots when they attack her. I think i went with Prevail 3, Evasion 2, Pierce 2 and something else. It's hard to remember exactly what since CP costs were really annoying back then.

Remember the trick is that the robots have a big move speed but their nuke is 3 range max so first thing to do is fall back and make them come to you out of range of the rider, he'll just sit there until you're in range so no worries there. then just attack the robots in a way that makes if you kill one of them, force at least one or two of them to have to move to attack you, allowing you to counter attack. Takes a few turns but it's the safest way I found.

Rayrah
2012-03-17, 18:00
um u might want try yuela with earth armor evade shield focus on strength and evade
were u able to upgrade her sword to crescent moon it have disruptor good again melkaviel
Hmm.. my Yeula is rocking her fully upgraded omni suit. And yep, she's currently wielding the Crescent Moon. Doh. I.. forgot to give her a shield with +evade.

You mean the M ranked 1v5 fight? You probably will want to use Yuela with her crescent sword. Then make sure you have Prevail 3, and some other skills that keep her alive because she will get low and if you're relying on just evade dodging then you'll be in trouble. Once she gets to about 30-40% hp she should be just about one rounding the robots when they attack her. I think i went with Prevail 3, Evasion 2, Pierce 2 and something else. It's hard to remember exactly what since CP costs were really annoying back then.

Remember the trick is that the robots have a big move speed but their nuke is 3 range max so first thing to do is fall back and make them come to you out of range of the rider, he'll just sit there until you're in range so no worries there. then just attack the robots in a way that makes if you kill one of them, force at least one or two of them to have to move to attack you, allowing you to counter attack. Takes a few turns but it's the safest way I found.
Yeah, that. I decided to give Yeula a try prior to seeing your reply, and I kept running out of turns to beat the Zielwritter (or whatever the name is). Haha, I was using that exact setup + Heavenly Phantasm (omni).

Alright, will do. The reason I ran out of the time the last time was because I kept stalling until the constructs ran out of SP.

Thanks, you two.

Mahou
2012-03-17, 18:06
The final row of battles in Yuela's route have proved me that it wasn't wise to neglect a handful characters for leveling. Wil managed to wall every enemy who attacked him, but against the gold-star enemies he had bad luck once their Prevail activated. Luckily Yuela's Crescent Moon was neutral against him and she could finish him off. The end is drawing closer :D
Edit: Phew, I can finally access the world map again!

Senile_Monk
2012-03-17, 18:10
The game itself is incredibly good, however I have come across two small problems that need solving:

1: The mission where you must sneak to the event space before the alchemist responsible for illegal dumping of chemicals and other items: I can never seem to get there in time, or are spotted and forced to reload and start again.

2. A freind of mine, who had completed Kamidori and loaded up NG+, had got to the same mission, but during it, The screen went black, Japanese appeared on screen and the game shut itself down. when he loaded it back up, all of his save data, Plus auto-save, had been completly wiped. does anyone know the cause behind this?

Xacual
2012-03-17, 18:11
I think the damn Daitengu are my least favorite thing to try to farm here at Mirage Forest. So far I've gotten the Serawi and Aht artifacts but the tengu and fafnir don't want to drop theirs. Though I've gotten about 6 of the earth hammers from the dragon. I really think the stat drain there is a little ridiculous, something like a third of your hp, sp, and fp drained per turn?

doujin
2012-03-17, 18:33
I think the damn Daitengu are my least favorite thing to try to farm here at Mirage Forest. So far I've gotten the Serawi and Aht artifacts but the tengu and fafnir don't want to drop theirs. Though I've gotten about 6 of the earth hammers from the dragon. I really think the stat drain there is a little ridiculous, something like a third of your hp, sp, and fp drained per turn?

atleast it not bahamut i have to fight through horde of enemy upon arriving he drop his &%%&&*% claws instead of the accessories

Rayrah
2012-03-17, 18:39
I managed to kill the Zielwritter on turn 19 out of 20. So huzzah for that. I was hoping that the gauntlet matches would unlock after I completed every single match available; I guess I was wrong in thinking so. What else has to be done to unlock them? (NG+, Chapter 9?)

Flying Dagger
2012-03-17, 18:42
um u might want try yuela with earth armor evade shield focus on strength and evade
were u able to upgrade her sword to crescent moon it have disruptor good again melkaviel

Yuela with Soul Shield (-30% enemy str)+Pervail can both tank and deal the damage.
Vorpal Counter (also from dark knight armor) can let you dash out some extra damage and give you some added avoidance, though the death effect will not proc off bosses (medaled enemies).

On Counter and Vorpal Counter:
I notice that even with >100 hit on the combat screen (=hit-evade) I am still getting countered by enemies. I am starting to think the two counter skill has some Evasive elements added to them (ie: A character with 0 evade will always have x% chance to counter against an enemy with 200 hit).
While doing NG+ dungeons there are some very very lucky mobs which would have both counter and flurry and hit my characters for up to 7 times...


I think the damn Daitengu are my least favorite thing to try to farm here at Mirage Forest. So far I've gotten the Serawi and Aht artifacts but the tengu and fafnir don't want to drop theirs. Though I've gotten about 6 of the earth hammers from the dragon. I really think the stat drain there is a little ridiculous, something like a third of your hp, sp, and fp drained per turn?

I got really lucky with drops on that map. For the "boss"/non-respawn mobs I would just drop them to low health -> save -> kill. If it does not have what I want, reload->next turn->kill again. Repeat. For regular mobs I just park guys next to their portals and farm away. Sharty, Lily, and Phinnily are very good farmers because bloodsuck keeps them alive.

Good news is that those exploding hammer things sell for quite a lot of money. No clue what Wil was smoking when he invested 2million into a set of ponds that grow minerals that can be easily harvested -_-.

The game itself is incredibly good, however I have come across two small problems that need solving:

1: The mission where you must sneak to the event space before the alchemist responsible for illegal dumping of chemicals and other items: I can never seem to get there in time, or are spotted and forced to reload and start again.

2. A freind of mine, who had completed Kamidori and loaded up NG+, had got to the same mission, but during it, The screen went black, Japanese appeared on screen and the game shut itself down. when he loaded it back up, all of his save data, Plus auto-save, had been completly wiped. does anyone know the cause behind this?

1) Use hermit's monocle if you have it on heroines. There are many hidden shotcuts that you can take. The quest is trivial once you have a character with double action.
2) Your friend possibly have a buggy game. Check the C:\Users\_____\AppData\Local\Eushully\神採りアルケミーマイスタ ー\SAVE file to see if save data is still there.

I managed to kill the Zielwritter on turn 19 out of 20. So huzzah for that. I was hoping that the gauntlet matches would unlock after I completed every single match available; I guess I was wrong in thinking so. What else has to be done to unlock them? (NG+, Chapter 9?)


I believe it is ch9. The rewards of each gauntlet are very nice first playthrough weapons. Yuela's sword with Flurry III built in is exceptionally good. Downside is that some of those require weapon mastery of M which some of my characters did not get until I start working on lv80 dungeons... (You can raise weapon skill by killing anything).

Rayrah
2012-03-17, 18:53
Yuela with Soul Shield (-30% enemy str)+Pervail can both tank and deal the damage.
Vorpal Counter (also from dark knight armor) can let you dash out some extra damage and give you some added avoidance, though the death effect will not proc off bosses (medaled enemies).

On Counter and Vorpal Counter:
I notice that even with >100 hit on the combat screen (=hit-evade) I am still getting countered by enemies. I am starting to think the two counter skill has some Evasive elements added to them (ie: A character with 0 evade will always have x% chance to counter against an enemy with 200 hit).
While doing NG+ dungeons there are some very very lucky mobs which would have both counter and flurry and hit my characters for up to 7 times

Yeah, that reminds me; I really should finish enhancing the rest of Yuela's costumes. I completely forgot about Soul Shield and Vorpal Counter; those two skills would've made the fight much easier. Ah well.

I believe it is ch9. The rewards of each gauntlet are very nice first playthrough weapons. Yuela's sword with Flurry III built in is exceptionally good. Downside is that some of those require weapon mastery of M which some of my characters did not get until I start working on lv80 dungeons... (You can raise weapon skill by killing anything).
Alright, thanks. M mastery? Bleh.. Most of my characters are almost at S mastery. On the topic of chapter 9, is there an obvious point of no return?

Xacual
2012-03-17, 18:55
Yuela with Soul Shield (-30% enemy str)+Pervail can both tank and deal the damage.
Vorpal Counter (also from dark knight armor) can let you dash out some extra damage and give you some added avoidance, though the death effect will not proc off bosses (medaled enemies).

On Counter and Vorpal Counter:
I notice that even with >100 hit on the combat screen (=hit-evade) I am still getting countered by enemies. I am starting to think the two counter skill has some Evasive elements added to them (ie: A character with 0 evade will always have x% chance to counter against an enemy with 200 hit).
While doing NG+ dungeons there are some very very lucky mobs which would have both counter and flurry and hit my characters for up to 7 times...



They definitely do, I forget the proc rate offhand but I think it's something like 20/30/40? or maybe 30/40/50 for counter at least. VP is lower but still pretty good.

Yeah, that reminds me; I really should finish enhancing the rest of Yuela's costumes. I completely forgot about Soul Shield and Vorpal Counter; those two skills would've made the fight much easier. Ah well.

Alright, thanks. M mastery? Bleh.. Most of my characters are almost at S mastery. On the topic of chapter 9, is there an obvious point of no return?

I think boss level creatures are immune to vorpal counter, I've never seen it proc off them anyway. And yeah soul shield was what I had on Yuela for my last skill. I knew it was something like that.

In Yuela's route there's no real point of no return. Some missions chain into other ones but at the end you're given a mission to go to the final area, but you can go do other stuff at the same time. Definitely make sure by the end you've collected every treasure at least from every dungeon you can access.

Flying Dagger
2012-03-17, 19:05
Yeah, that reminds me; I really should finish enhancing the rest of Yuela's costumes. I completely forgot about Soul Shield and Vorpal Counter; those two skills would've made the fight much easier. Ah well.


Alright, thanks. M mastery? Bleh.. Most of my characters are almost at S mastery. On the topic of chapter 9, is there an obvious point of no return?

Not all require M mastery. Some do not have requirements.

I recommend you to wrap things up in ch8. I believe some of the gauntlet fights are not available if the said character has not been recruited/is not high enough level by the time they are made available (not sure about this). Battle for Rags was missing for my 1st playthrough because I stalled for far too long to recruit her. It comes with a very very useful weapon too.

The absolute point of no return would be going into the final mission. I believe it takes place after all the training events you go through with various characters (and they gain additional skills via the extra training).



///General gameplay:
while doing team arena/normal maps at lower levels, make good use of Cover skills. Yuela's Guardian is pretty cheap to pick up for Wil and it stacks with Cover. Guardian (Heroine Guardian, Angelic Gaurdian) are guaranteed to proc on the first successful attack (a dodge will not waste the charge). With Yuela's high-ish speed and evade, buffed further by Battle Orders (gives evade bonus as well), Yuela is a very effective tank.

Also note that a unit that is performing a melee attack moves on top of the enemy to do the attack.

On speed: for those who haven't read the lexicon. A speed difference of >=3 grants an extra attack. Sometimes it is better to not use a special attack in favor of a regular attack which would otherwise hit 3 times (or allow the enemy to retaliate 3x).



//
On Death effects:
They do not work vs bosses (things with a medal; as do a lot of other status effect such as Charm). Not too sure if it works on constructs or ghosts (death never procs on those gargoyles in the mines).
Two items which posses Death procs early game are Bowling Balls and the Ninja Blade (which is a surprisingly good weapon for Yuela as her high speed allow 3 chances to proc and also the blade gives evade).
Any weapon with death effect will allow all of a characters attacks to have a chance to proc death as well.
Death effects pretty much carried my party early NG+ as they allow me to "1 shot" the gobles which would otherwise take a lot of hits to kill. Other situations I recall it being insanely useful would be
Eliza's invasion and Yuela's ch9 missions. Yuela with vorpal counter+ninja blade is can sometimes score 4 kills a turn.

Xacual
2012-03-17, 19:43
So got Valkyrie Falls done and I honestly found it the easiest next to Phema Sluicegate. Death effects don't get a chance to go off if you out of range them and other than the archer amazons everything is melee only. I also noticed it seems like Asmodeus, Gaptahl, and Paraskevas don't get hit by them. At least none of them got death proc'd like some of my other characters did. Paraskevas got 9 levels out of that run from Supersonic nuking the archer amazons. He went from 77 to 86.

Rayrah
2012-03-17, 19:49
In Yuela's route there's no real point of no return. Some missions chain into other ones but at the end you're given a mission to go to the final area, but you can go do other stuff at the same time. Definitely make sure by the end you've collected every treasure at least from every dungeon you can access.
Alrightio. What about the Deadbeat dungeon? The last boss wasn't all that difficult, but the last time I tried to do it, all of the characters fighting it went up around 3 levels.

Not all require M mastery. Some do not have requirements.
Even better, then.

I recommend you to wrap things up in ch8. I believe some of the gauntlet fights are not available if the said character has not been recruited/is not high enough level by the time they are made available (not sure about this). Battle for Rags was missing for my 1st playthrough because I stalled for far too long to recruit her. It comes with a very very useful weapon too.
Well, I have every character possible character recruited (I think), no outstanding quests or missions (excluding the 'Rank Up' one), and my party is lv40+. I hope this will be enough not to miss anything in the final chapter. Speaking of Ragsmeuna, is her death proc an innate skill or does it only proc on when the likes of Death Invitation are used?

There's lots of interesting information in your latest post. I'd rep you for it; but alas, I need to spread the love around first.

Are characters in the list of what gets carried over to NG+? Ragsmuena is my favorite character, and I don't want to have to do up to chapter 8 to recruit it every playthrough. >_<

doujin
2012-03-17, 19:53
Alrightio. What about the Deadbeat dungeon? The last boss wasn't all that difficult, but the last time I tried to do it, all of the characters fighting it went up around 3 levels.


Even better, then.


Well, I have every character possible character recruited (I think), no outstanding quests or missions (excluding the 'Rank Up' one), and my party is lv40+. I hope this will be enough not to miss anything in the final chapter. Speaking of Ragsmeuna, is her death proc an innate skill or does it only proc on when the likes of Death Invitation are used?

There's lots of interesting information in your latest post. I'd rep you for it; but alas, I need to spread the love around first.

Are characters in the list of what gets carried over to NG+? Ragsmuena is my favorite character, and I don't want to have to do up to chapter 8 to recruit it every playthrough. >_<

her own weapon also have death look at it description

Xacual
2012-03-17, 19:54
Well, I have every character possible character recruited (I think), no outstanding quests or missions (excluding the 'Rank Up' one), and my party is lv40+. I hope this will be enough not to miss anything in the final chapter. Speaking of Ragsmeuna, is her death proc an innate skill or does it only proc on when the likes of Death Invitation are used?

There's lots of interesting information in your latest post. I'd rep you for it; but alas, I need to spread the love around first.

Are characters in the list of what gets carried over to NG+? Ragsmuena is my favorite character, and I don't want to have to do up to chapter 8 to recruit it every playthrough. >_<

For Ragsmuena check her weapons. Some have death procs, other have other effects. Most of her high level ones have death on them though. Death Invitation is a death proc attack yes.

And yes if you choose to carry over characters, everyone you have comes with you. A problem I've found is once the character in question joins you as a Guest, you can no longer use the "clone" unit until the guest becomes a party member. So once you get to chapter 7, you'll have to wait until chapter 8 to get Rags back.

If you're for the most part 40-45 you're fine to finish the game. I was in that same range with all my characters when I finished my Yuela playthrough.

Flying Dagger
2012-03-17, 20:12
btw, my Wil is lv99 and I still have not gotten the dominus rank. What do you have to do? Rebirth him? Finish that last dungeon in the mines?

Xacual
2012-03-17, 20:20
btw, my Wil is lv99 and I still have not gotten the dominus rank. What do you have to do? Rebirth him? Finish that last dungeon in the mines?

Oh I figured it would have been answered already. Magnus is the max rank, you only get Dominus if you didn't apply the text fix patch.

doujin
2012-03-17, 20:23
Oh I figured it would have been answered already. Magnus is the max rank, you only get Dominus if you didn't apply the text fix patch.

does the patch make any different in game play? also can u link me the patch?

Xacual
2012-03-17, 20:28
does the patch make any different in game play?

No it doesn't as far as I'm aware. There was some untranslated segments that were fixed but I can't recall if it fixed anything. Well I guess it fixed some stuff like items saying they had such and such stats, but actually having different ones, furniture mostly I think.

http://games.seiha.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=59

doujin
2012-03-17, 20:49
No it doesn't as far as I'm aware. There was some untranslated segments that were fixed but I can't recall if it fixed anything. Well I guess it fixed some stuff like items saying they had such and such stats, but actually having different ones, furniture mostly I think.

http://games.seiha.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=59

thx but not sure if i should put in the patch or cause im afraid it might mess up my current game

Flying Dagger
2012-03-17, 20:52
Back up your saves just in case. I applied my patch mid-game and it worked for me.

400 command is not enough Asmo takes 70 and Eukleia takes 64...

mangafreak7793
2012-03-17, 21:03
How do you unlock the nun and the tournament girl h-scenes.

Flying Dagger
2012-03-17, 21:09
How do you unlock the nun and the tournament girl h-scenes.

Hannah's scene is NG+ only I believe. Keep doing her quests and spend more money in the church and you will get it eventually.

For someone who succumbs to lust, gives out quests that require you to kill angels over and over, she is quite the sinful priestess :). Can't really blame her as her role model Elizaslyn might be terrible influence...

The arena girl I just unlock as I finish up all the arena fights.

mangafreak7793
2012-03-17, 21:10
She succumbs to lust?

doujin
2012-03-17, 21:20
ok i cant find where my save game file anywhere l ready check the path u suggest earlier dagger
i wonder if it hidden on vista

Flying Dagger
2012-03-17, 21:35
ok i cant find where my save game file anywhere l ready check the path u suggest earlier dagger
i wonder if it hidden on vista

Should be under documents and settings in your primary drive (C: ).
Not sure if Vista hides it, just set it to show hidden files under Folder Options.

doujin
2012-03-17, 21:39
Should be under documents and settings in your primary drive (C: ).
Not sure if Vista hides it, just set it to show hidden files under Folder Options.

ok i found it. k the tittle change to magnus now, now i wont feel left out from the rest of the group XD

Xacual
2012-03-17, 21:46
Both Hannah and Jane are NG+ only. Jane just teases you in your first play through even if you do complete the arena.

Flying Dagger
2012-03-17, 22:07
ok i found it. k the tittle change to magnus now, now i wont feel left out from the rest of the group XD

Dominus sound so much more powerful than Magnus though...

Finally going back to the original story with Serawi after finishing the last dungeon in the mines (which was really easy - lily accidentally killed the boss when she retaliated - had to reload to get the items off the side).

I feel that this particular part of the route is better written than the Yuela one with the realization of why the elves keep talking about promises.

doujin
2012-03-17, 22:22
Dominus sound so much more powerful than Magnus though...

Finally going back to the original story with Serawi after finishing the last dungeon in the mines (which was really easy - lily accidentally killed the boss when she retaliated - had to reload to get the items off the side).

I feel that this particular part of the route is better written than the Yuela one with the realization of why the elves keep talking about promises.


i like the cool star more

Xacual
2012-03-17, 23:57
I hate these kinds of games sometimes. It like baits me in. Go to Valkyrie Falls again after clearing to farm up artifacts, first kill of one of the archer amazons, get B. Eushally's. Entire run despite farming everything else, don't see any of the others. Damn it. And yes I know I could just save and reload turns.

Flying Dagger
2012-03-18, 00:05
I hate it more because some items can only be crafted on a 3rd play through :O.
Do I *really* want to make that thing with the stat growth ring? hmmm.... I guess I will deadbeat Leguna and Golem from 1 to 99 or something.

How did paraskevas get up to the floating fortress at the end of the Serawi route? Isn't he like, much bigger than Gaptahl?


I assuming blasting the boss on Turn 1 from range 9 and killing it isn't how I am supposed to finish the mission... There are some ryumil dragons for beads, I guess gotta do it the proper way.

Jofus
2012-03-18, 00:15
Just got this this game, and have come across a number of quests that seem bugged or I just have no clue how to activate them. So if anyone could help me out in finding out how to complete these that would be great! I am currently waiting in chapter 4 in hopes of fixing these.

A Good Drink #3
The third part of the quest chain to bring alcohol to the leader of the fire foxes is not working for me. As far as I know I only need to have 20k and have completed the two prior quests to this for the quest to show up at the bar, but Tian never shows up. Does this quest happen later in the game?

Restore Aht's form.
How is this mission activated? I have visited each floor of the mine and haven't seen an event trigger marker or anything. Aht is currently level 18

Crayls Supplement
I made the item, saw a cutscene where crayl took it and said he was off to use it, but I again don't get any event triggers when I go and explore these places. Crayl is level 20.

There are a few other quests that I have received with vague conditions but considering that I got them this chapter, I am not too worried, however, the 3 above I would like to finish before they become unavailable.

I am currently on Yuela's route if that matters.

Xacual
2012-03-18, 00:43
Just got this this game, and have come across a number of quests that seem bugged or I just have no clue how to activate them. So if anyone could help me out in finding out how to complete these that would be great! I am currently waiting in chapter 4 in hopes of fixing these.

There are a few other quests that I have received with vague conditions but considering that I got them this chapter, I am not too worried, however, the 3 above I would like to finish before they become unavailable.

I am currently on Yuela's route if that matters.

If you see no events anywhere, no conversations at your workshop, you've at least visited each zone before to see if there is an event there(I don't think any map gets used multiple times for a mission, so try to complete each one and you'll never have to go back, except for farming materials), then you probably need to advance to the next chapter. Those quests specifically require chapter 5. This has been asked quite a few times in the thread already.

Wil's Artifact doesn't give double action like the others do, well not like he has that many abilities anyway but still. Actually just noticed that it gave 10 int too, does Wil even use int for anything?

doujin
2012-03-18, 01:49
If you see no events anywhere, no conversations at your workshop, you've at least visited each zone before to see if there is an event there(I don't think any map gets used multiple times for a mission, so try to complete each one and you'll never have to go back, except for farming materials), then you probably need to advance to the next chapter. Those quests specifically require chapter 5. This has been asked quite a few times in the thread already.

Wil's Artifact doesn't give double action like the others do, well not like he has that many abilities anyway but still. Actually just noticed that it gave 10 int too, does Wil even use int for anything?

he can buff with high rune make character more deadly for 5 turn

doujin
2012-03-18, 01:58
Just got this this game, and have come across a number of quests that seem bugged or I just have no clue how to activate them. So if anyone could help me out in finding out how to complete these that would be great! I am currently waiting in chapter 4 in hopes of fixing these.

A Good Drink #3
The third part of the quest chain to bring alcohol to the leader of the fire foxes is not working for me. As far as I know I only need to have 20k and have completed the two prior quests to this for the quest to show up at the bar, but Tian never shows up. Does this quest happen later in the game?

Restore Aht's form.
How is this mission activated? I have visited each floor of the mine and haven't seen an event trigger marker or anything. Aht is currently level 18

Crayls Supplement
I made the item, saw a cutscene where crayl took it and said he was off to use it, but I again don't get any event triggers when I go and explore these places. Crayl is level 20.

There are a few other quests that I have received with vague conditions but considering that I got them this chapter, I am not too worried, however, the 3 above I would like to finish before they become unavailable.

I am currently on Yuela's route if that matters.

all those quest are need to progress through chapters

Flying Dagger
2012-03-18, 02:04
A lot of quest chain spans several chapters. Often time you would not be able to finish the chain before the "expiry date" (usually ch7).

The translator's forum has a good list of join conditions which can serve as a guide. (http://games.seiha.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=102)

Mahou
2012-03-18, 02:05
Just got this this game, and have come across a number of quests that seem bugged or I just have no clue how to activate them. So if anyone could help me out in finding out how to complete these that would be great! I am currently waiting in chapter 4 in hopes of fixing these.

A Good Drink #3
The third part of the quest chain to bring alcohol to the leader of the fire foxes is not working for me. As far as I know I only need to have 20k and have completed the two prior quests to this for the quest to show up at the bar, but Tian never shows up. Does this quest happen later in the game?

Restore Aht's form.
How is this mission activated? I have visited each floor of the mine and haven't seen an event trigger marker or anything. Aht is currently level 18

Crayls Supplement
I made the item, saw a cutscene where crayl took it and said he was off to use it, but I again don't get any event triggers when I go and explore these places. Crayl is level 20.

There are a few other quests that I have received with vague conditions but considering that I got them this chapter, I am not too worried, however, the 3 above I would like to finish before they become unavailable.

I am currently on Yuela's route if that matters.

As Xacual said, most of these events can only be completed in later chapters. For instance, Aht's quest has nothing to do with running into Yudoria's mine ;) You need to alchemize a special items for it, so the ingredients may not always be available in the current chapter.

Pouick
2012-03-18, 02:12
I find that this game is relatively rich and built well, but well, not understanding too indeed English (I am French), I am blocked in having met both twins in the chapter 1, I do not have quest anymore, I have Ath and the ondine but it is everything, that do I have to make to pass in the chap 2?

doujin
2012-03-18, 02:14
hey anyone understand the effect of clotho,lachesis,atropos gem? it said add % skill rate but what exactly does that do?

Xacual
2012-03-18, 02:46
hey anyone understand the effect of clotho,lachesis,atropos gem? it said add % skill rate but what exactly does that do?

Certain skills like flurry, pierce, counter, etc have set % proc rates. Higher ranks having a higher chance of proccing. Those gems increase the proc rate chance even more. Those gems are really good for Serawi and Yuela.

doujin
2012-03-18, 03:00
Certain skills like flurry, pierce, counter, etc have set % proc rates. Higher ranks having a higher chance of proccing. Those gems increase the proc rate chance even more. Those gems are really good for Serawi and Yuela.

k thx but only add to max 5% not really high chance

Xacual
2012-03-18, 03:04
5% chance or a 1 in 20 for all your various skills to proc? When you consider you're attacking at least twice every combat, that's really good. My Yuela runs Ferocity, Pierce and Flurry 3 now, so a 5% more chance for each of those is nice.

doujin
2012-03-18, 03:06
5% chance or a 1 in 20 for all your various skills to proc? When you consider you're attacking at least twice every combat, that's really good. My Yuela runs Ferocity, Pierce and Flurry 3 now, so a 5% more chance for each of those is nice.

i have my with prevail undress and soul shield so it kick all the time

Xacual
2012-03-18, 03:10
You're not using her GodSlayer outfit for Flurry 3? You also have an unused skill with that set up. Even just for flurry 3 though, an extra 5% chance of a double attack is more damage potential than just about anything else you could use a gem slot for.

doujin
2012-03-18, 03:14
You're not using her GodSlayer outfit for Flurry 3? You also have an unused skill with that set up. Even just for flurry 3 though, an extra 5% chance of a double attack is more damage potential than just about anything else you could use a gem slot for.

for the 4th skill i just switch between boss disrupt ect. depend on what i fight. i forgot the free flurry from the armor.

Mahou
2012-03-18, 06:01
Now that I have the first Maven accessory I keep forgetting to equip it when I'm out leveling >_<. I think that I will use it for my weaker units (who are still <level 40). Ironically, Wil is by now my highest character with Level 47 or so. I find it rather difficult to level Emilita and poor Melodiana seems to pale a bit as well (her lack of skills is maybe one reason). Still a bit to do before I can finally complete Yuela's route. I think I collected all bronze and silver key treasures. Don't know if I can be bothered to go for all map comleted-awards.
Those damn treants refuse to drop Crayanne's rare equipment, though. And I feel kinda stupid for ignoring the Serawi and Emilita's enhancements in the starting range of their grid. It was that kind of magic variety I've been looking for (outside of rods for Emi).
It appears as well, that there's a serious lack of wind weapons. Two wind bows and a Wind claw and a wind orb. It's not that bad per say due to Cray's two-shot/1-shot skill

bansoji
2012-03-18, 06:06
Yo, im stuck on Quest no 73, for some reason no events are coming up, this was happening in Chapter 7 so i proceeded to Chapter 8 but its still not proceeding. It also doesnt say that its failed. Grateful for any help.

Mahou
2012-03-18, 06:21
Yo, im stuck on Quest no 73, for some reason no events are coming up, this was happening in Chapter 7 so i proceeded to Chapter 8 but its still not proceeding. It also doesnt say that its failed. Grateful for any help.

According to: http://kamidori.seiha.org/index.php?title=Quests, Will must be level 30 in order to trigger it.

tlm10516
2012-03-18, 06:32
the second quest that u do with evelyn and lyphia is so hard its stupid....why do i have to rely on 2 lvl 50s that i cant train when i have 6 lvl 80s?

do i have to use their combos to finish off those tree guardians?

bansoji
2012-03-18, 06:39
According to: http://kamidori.seiha.org/index.php?title=Quests, Will must be level 30 in order to trigger it.

Oh, soz, forgot to fill you in with mah details xD My will is lvl 49 :) what im wondering is whether im supposed to go through all the dungeons in order to find him by chance or is there an event that comes up.

tlm10516
2012-03-18, 06:43
Oh, soz, forgot to fill you in with mah details xD My will is lvl 49 :) what im wondering is whether im supposed to go through all the dungeons in order to find him by chance or is there an event that comes up.

you should have heard from the merchants that hes hiding in the rouge's den in the limestone caverns and if you have completed all the quests available it should be there

bansoji
2012-03-18, 06:52
Aight thanks, ill check it out, i owe u one <3

In fact, you are right. Thank you so much i can finally get on with this, this is what i get for playing that part whilst half asleep 3am in the morning :L well anyways, thanks and problems solved.

karburator
2012-03-18, 08:39
How does speed affect the members of my party?
It shouldn't change their Mov so what does it do?

tlm10516
2012-03-18, 08:47
How does speed affect the members of my party?
It shouldn't change their Mov so what does it do?

if your speed is 3+ higher than ur opponents you attack more than them when u battle. so you can get off 3 hits every attack instead of 2

karburator
2012-03-18, 08:55
Thanks.

How do I use gems that add strength and stuff like that?

tlm10516
2012-03-18, 08:59
Thanks.

How do I use gems that add strength and stuff like that?

when u enhance your armor to a certain point it opens up slots to add gems

karburator
2012-03-18, 09:06
Thanks again.

thefitz
2012-03-18, 09:21
God I finally got the pure anklet for Aht. It's a total life saver for this character. I'm gonna try and get another one now just to make her mov faster. Even with +3 mov I still find her too slow.

Dhomochevsky
2012-03-18, 09:25
You can only use one item of any type at a time.

Wigwams
2012-03-18, 09:26
can someone make a list of all those rare equipment and their effects and where they drop?

i only know aht has the one that gives +1 move
melodiana has one that gives resu2
crayl has one that gives +15 evasion

Mahou
2012-03-18, 09:55
Done with Yuela's route :D. Gosh, how I hate bosses and their prevail 3. Not fun when only Yuela can deal more than 1 damage (that is without her prevail activated).
As for the route itself: Yuela's dere side was quite cute, but obviously the romance is not intended to be Kamidori's main strenght (nothing wrong with it itself). It would have been the icing on the cake, if the romance had been a bit properly developed.
I don't know if Wil's career progression is the same after Grand Master(?), but here it followed the story smoothly when Wil became the next Lord of Yuidora.
The dungon crawling *can* be fun for leveling, but hunting rare drops is a major pain.

New Game+: To remove the monster level cap or not ... On the one hand it feels like cheating if you leave it off, but it also allows to rush through the early chapters (I assume).

Flying Dagger
2012-03-18, 10:01
the second quest that u do with evelyn and lyphia is so hard its stupid....why do i have to rely on 2 lvl 50s that i cant train when i have 6 lvl 80s?

do i have to use their combos to finish off those tree guardians?

For that particular mission I equipped the training bracers on my main characters and finished it off with evelyn's combo (which outranges the treants).



//

Starting playthrough 3 today. Going to reset character levels and everything as if its a new game.
In run 2 I un-capped the enemies and find that
a) they are way too strong for some of my lower level characters such as Lily back at lv1.
b) they are too weak for my regular characters
So this time I left the cap on. (The first dungeon still have lv10 mobs because the Eushully angels start at lv50).

tlm10516
2012-03-18, 10:02
so im trying to get mylen and yaaaaa was completely overwhelmed the first time i went to her place.... lots of teleporting enemies and i lost on turn 4 cuz they went straight for my base. granted i got a little cocky and only sent 3 ppl lol

Pirkaf
2012-03-18, 10:14
How to kill every opponent at once at the exam at the end of chapter 6?

Mahou
2012-03-18, 10:19
How to kill every opponent at once at the exam at the end of chapter 6?

Try to use Emilita's AoE spell and move so that the effect covers each enemy.

kaylman131
2012-03-18, 10:24
Hello just as Mahou before, just finished my 1st playthrough on the Yuela rute and wondering if I should remove the cap for monsters and if I should export also the characters levels and stats because it seems that you dont aperantly get any more a class change with Will after every level, him being lvl 53 and ofcourse the highest the next being lvl45 yuela because using 3-4 health potions with swap of items from prevail troll hammer or what to to earth axe at the 1 vs 5 M rank at ch 7 (1st playthrough being easy ofcourse) and with the clothes upgrade he finished the final boss HIMSELF with I think 2-3 health potions him having almost 46 str Without any weapons on :)

And started reading the form and is there an accesory witch raises the stats/lvl up? If there is can anybody tell me whats its name and where it drops/from what?

Flying Dagger
2012-03-18, 10:57
Hello just as Mahou before, just finished my 1st playthrough on the Yuela rute and wondering if I should remove the cap for monsters and if I should export also the characters levels and stats because it seems that you dont aperantly get any more a class change with Will after every level, him being lvl 53 and ofcourse the highest the next being lvl45 yuela because using 3-4 health potions with swap of items from prevail troll hammer or what to to earth axe at the 1 vs 5 M rank at ch 7 (1st playthrough being easy ofcourse) and with the clothes upgrade he finished the final boss HIMSELF with I think 2-3 health potions him having almost 46 str Without any weapons on :)

And started reading the form and is there an accesory witch raises the stats/lvl up? If there is can anybody tell me whats its name and where it drops/from what?

Experience is based on the BASE level of a monster. Ie: you will still be getting 1xp by killing a lv99 monster with base level of 1. The scaling of monsters beyond their regular level range is also pretty terrible. My recommendation is to leave the cap ON. This way you can still do dungeons with your lower level characters when benching all the high levels.

Marwen's ring and necklace gives extra stats when leveling. The ring was found in ch9's first dungeon that Rosanna brings you to iirc. Forgot where I picked up the neck: I think its the 2nd NG+ dungeon in the mines.

I actually think the Marwen's item, in a way, is not as necessary because you can grow stat boosting stones out of your yard. In fact, you can simply rebirth your characters (set them back to lv1 but keep all other stats) at lv99 for added overpowerness.

karburator
2012-03-18, 11:13
How is the hit factor affecting my units?
I just got the Hawkeye bracelet that gives 30 hit and I need to choose who to equip this on..

Pirkaf
2012-03-18, 11:25
Try to use Emilita's AoE spell and move so that the effect covers each enemy.

I tried that, of course. I thought it was something else. I figured it out now anyway, had to kill the one in the center first, then move Emelita to his position.. ^_^

kaylman131
2012-03-18, 11:32
Experience is based on the BASE level of a monster. Ie: you will still be getting 1xp by killing a lv99 monster with base level of 1. The scaling of monsters beyond their regular level range is also pretty terrible. My recommendation is to leave the cap ON. This way you can still do dungeons with your lower level characters when benching all the high levels.

Marwen's ring and necklace gives extra stats when leveling. The ring was found in ch9's first dungeon that Rosanna brings you to iirc. Forgot where I picked up the neck: I think its the 2nd NG+ dungeon in the mines.

I actually think the Marwen's item, in a way, is not as necessary because you can grow stat boosting stones out of your yard. In fact, you can simply rebirth your characters (set them back to lv1 but keep all other stats) at lv99 for added overpowerness.


Firstly thanks for the quick reply and yeah if its like that I will listen to your recommendation and the stat boosting stones are also from a NG+ mine or from some quests? (even though I plan on doing if possible all I can and look out more especialy because it seems I wasn't playing attention and skipped the ring)

Reaching lvl 99 sure has its benefits then so will keep the levels on the chars but too bad if you do a NG+ and keep the lvls also wills rank of Grand Master(the biggest possible rank from normal NG) will remain the same... sight It whould have had been fun to have him with over 200HP towards ch8 with barely lvl-ing him up him having 163 if I keep him like that :P

kaylman131
2012-03-18, 11:35
How is the hit factor affecting my units?
I just got the Hawkeye bracelet that gives 30 hit and I need to choose who to equip this on..

the higher the hit is the lower the chances of you getting miss witch I observed with suinas bowling ball it not being that high on hit but as I think it was posted before even if you have 200 or so hit you may still miss, if you have the space for the character, then to that with weapons that have hit under 100 altough I myself never used that bracelet :3

kaylman131
2012-03-18, 11:40
I find that this game is relatively rich and built well, but well, not understanding too indeed English (I am French), I am blocked in having met both twins in the chapter 1, I do not have quest anymore, I have Ath and the ondine but it is everything, that do I have to make to pass in the chap 2?

Upgrade your Workshop and store if you realy dont have any active important quests witch I think you shouldn't that soon yet

doujin
2012-03-18, 11:44
Experience is based on the BASE level of a monster. Ie: you will still be getting 1xp by killing a lv99 monster with base level of 1. The scaling of monsters beyond their regular level range is also pretty terrible. My recommendation is to leave the cap ON. This way you can still do dungeons with your lower level characters when benching all the high levels.

Marwen's ring and necklace gives extra stats when leveling. The ring was found in ch9's first dungeon that Rosanna brings you to iirc. Forgot where I picked up the neck: I think its the 2nd NG+ dungeon in the mines.

I actually think the Marwen's item, in a way, is not as necessary because you can grow stat boosting stones out of your yard. In fact, you can simply rebirth your characters (set them back to lv1 but keep all other stats) at lv99 for added overpowerness.

there a exceptional rule for deadbeat monster i cant explain it myself but try get a lv 93 kill those deadbeat troll and compare it to killing a devil fish(lv90)

Dhomochevsky
2012-03-18, 11:51
can someone make a list of all those rare equipment and their effects and where they drop?

I want to know this too.
Which are the rare drops and which monsters drop them?
I have found the ones mentioned, but are there others?

Flying Dagger
2012-03-18, 13:00
How is the hit factor affecting my units?
I just got the Hawkeye bracelet that gives 30 hit and I need to choose who to equip this on..


On hit:
What I suspect.
Before a fight, each side's hit chance is calculated by simply calculating [Hit-Evade]. This has a cap of 100.
During the fight, defense skills such as Focus, Evasive and maybe Sword Flash kicks in.
Therefore, say, if the battle screen reads that you have 100 hit, but the enemy has Evasive III, they will still have a 20% chance to dodge.
Counter and Vorpal Counter seems to work independently (someone confirm this) not affected by Focus. For example, Unit A has 100% chance to hit and Focus, Unit B has Counter. There is still a chance in which A's attack gets negated and countered.
Note that Counter will not trigger if you have no viable counter attack means.

TLDR: Use hawkeye bracers if your battle screen before the fight says you have a low chance of hitting. One of the first notable application would be Serawi's range 9 bombardment spell which has -10hit.


Firstly thanks for the quick reply and yeah if its like that I will listen to your recommendation and the stat boosting stones are also from a NG+ mine or from some quests? (even though I plan on doing if possible all I can and look out more especialy because it seems I wasn't playing attention and skipped the ring)

Reaching lvl 99 sure has its benefits then so will keep the levels on the chars but too bad if you do a NG+ and keep the lvls also wills rank of Grand Master(the biggest possible rank from normal NG) will remain the same... sight It whould have had been fun to have him with over 200HP towards ch8 with barely lvl-ing him up him having 163 if I keep him like that :P

When you get 100% complete (ie: bonus objectives) in some of the lv90 2.0 dungeons you will be automatically rewarded with mines (yard furniture) that will produce the stat boost stones.

My lv90+ characters (even without their unique accessories which grant Double Action and a big boost to stats) are all very very overpowered even in the 2.0 dungeons: this also have a lot to do with the various end game weapons they possess. 2.0 dungeons were a LOT of fun back when my party was around lv78-82 (did not know which one to tackle so I headed straight to Advent Bay which is one of the more difficult ones).


//
I believe NG+ is meant to be played with character and character levels carried over. You would not have enough regular game content to level your party to lv40 again before some of the NG+ quests expire.

//
I am still not too sure how to proceed with NG++.
> I carried over characters: because I want to be able to use Roka, Lyphia and Evelyn.
Because of that, even with enemy level cap, the first dungeon has lv10 mobs, the 2nd dungeon has lv12 mobs. Taking down lv12 enemies with lv1 and 2s, even with superior numbers, is not necessary the best idea.
I suppose its silly that game mode is set on hard, because I want things to be hard - but not thattt hard. (I had to kill the greyhound in the first dungeon by locking it in place with Wil and Golem, have hannah heal them, and then Lily would kill it with spells (by deploying all those units I go over the command cap).

I might just carry everything over and blow through everything in Emelita's route. This game has well served its purpose for the past week.



A quick tip: remember to make a save before picking your routes in NG+. This way you can unlock the NG+ costume scene of your previous route.

Rayrah
2012-03-18, 13:24
For Ragsmuena check her weapons. Some have death procs, other have other effects. Most of her high level ones have death on them though. Death Invitation is a death proc attack yes.

And yes if you choose to carry over characters, everyone you have comes with you. A problem I've found is once the character in question joins you as a Guest, you can no longer use the "clone" unit until the guest becomes a party member. So once you get to chapter 7, you'll have to wait until chapter 8 to get Rags back.

If you're for the most part 40-45 you're fine to finish the game. I was in that same range with all my characters when I finished my Yuela playthrough.
Haha, opps. I completely forgot about weapons having add-on skills. But aye, thanks for the answer.

I'm sure I'll be fine without Rags for one whole chapter. NG+ is going to be bucket loads of fun with all the new characters.

Mhm, alrightio then.

I can't seem to seize control of more than 93% of the map in the Riverside Ruins located at the Yusof Riverbed. The middle of the map looks like there should be a hidden area there, but even after sending 3 members with search around the map numerous times with different terrain skills equipped (dive, firewalk, grounded, burrow), I still couldn't find anything. Is there some kind of trigger to unlock the rest of the map?

Flying Dagger
2012-03-18, 13:32
Too lazy to make a full list as most of them aren't that great. Do I really want evade on Crayl when he is an archer, cannot really tank any damage, and does not have a high evasion chance to begin with? (lack of diminishing returns means dodge scales exponentially)

The good ones are:

Crayanne: Time Bracelet (Double Action) - Treants (Woodland and the mines)
Meldianna: Revival Bracelet (Revival II) - Deadwolf
Gaptahl: Desperation bracelet (Pervail I)- Takush (Limestone Caverns)
Ragsmuena: Deathless Bracelet (Revival II) - Zombie Goble (Ruinic Forest)

Most of the time you are better off just using the +5 str or +5 int rings. Use +Con if you are taking too much damage. Vs elementals use the proper resistance necklace. If you have the time, mutating the resist necks is a very worthy investment.


I can't seem to seize control of more than 93% of the map in the Riverside Ruins located at the Yusof Riverbed. The middle of the map looks like there should be a hidden area there, but even after sending 3 members with search around the map numerous times with different terrain skills equipped (dive, firewalk, grounded, burrow), I still couldn't find anything. Is there some kind of trigger to unlock the rest of the map?

If that is the map where you harvest the stones for the shrine. There is a secret teleportor at the bottom room by the river that appears only every 10 turns (or something like that). Skip turns until it appears.

Rayrah
2012-03-18, 13:49
If that is the map where you harvest the stones for the shrine. There is a secret teleportor at the bottom room by the river that appears only every 10 turns (or something like that). Skip turns until it appears.
Yeah, that one. Ah, so is that what it is? I saw a 3rd portal appear on my 30th turn there, but I was skipping turns as fast as possible so as to see if any monsters would appear or anything, and I just brushed off the 3rd portal as me seeing things. Ah well. Thanks.

tlm10516
2012-03-18, 14:22
im getting a bunch of lvl 70 dungeons in the mine are these the pre-reqs for asmodeus? if so that really sucks cuz there are like 7+......

Flying Dagger
2012-03-18, 14:31
Not sure if the character locked ones are required, but yes, you will have to clear a lot of them to recruit Asmodeus.
Take your time, you do not want to finish the game that quickly:).

tlm10516
2012-03-18, 14:45
Not sure if the character locked ones are required, but yes, you will have to clear a lot of them to recruit Asmodeus.
Take your time, you do not want to finish the game that quickly:).

lol i wouldnt say quickly i have a good 100+ hours into this game already and im still missing out on a bunch of stuff so ill be playing a lot more.

but for the barrier one how do i get the barrier to go down? and for the 10 turn one? how the hell am i supposed to do that one?

Mahou
2012-03-18, 14:46
New Game+ on Serawi's route. What's with this evil quest that asks to kill a monster starting in chapter 3 and that f*cking bird is level 90 O_O. /Mahou loaded his save pre-accepting the quest.
Shipwreck is also available, but I'm not ready for it ony Yuela and Will are level 48+ right now (the rest of my current crew is around 40) :heh: And I recently got Black Eushully

tlm10516
2012-03-18, 15:08
New Game+ on Serawi's route. What's with this evil quest that asks to kill a monster starting in chapter 3 and that f*cking bird is level 90 O_O. /Mahou loaded his save pre-accepting the quest.
Shipwreck is also available, but I'm not ready for it ony Yuela and Will are level 48+ right now (the rest of my current crew is around 40) :heh: And I recently got Black Eushully

i thought the same thing buts its just some stupid bonus quest and there is more after that i just avoid them seeing as how i dont really have a reason to beat them haha

Xacual
2012-03-18, 15:13
lol i wouldnt say quickly i have a good 100+ hours into this game already and im still missing out on a bunch of stuff so ill be playing a lot more.

but for the barrier one how do i get the barrier to go down?

The first barrier one? Use teleport stones and displace to send a couple units across the middle area. Actually stock up on teleport stones, they are ridiculously handy for a lot of the mine levels.

Tiberium Wolf
2012-03-18, 15:14
There some weapons which has in the description: Lv S

What does it mean? Why chars can't use them?

tlm10516
2012-03-18, 15:19
There some weapons which has in the description: Lv S

What does it mean? Why chars can't use them?

when u play u will notice that sometimes your character weapon level will go up thats what it is. i think u start at E the go up to M. S is one level below M so in order to raise the level kill lots and lots and lots of enemies to level up your weapon level lol

Xacual
2012-03-18, 15:19
There some weapons which has in the description: Lv S

What does it mean? Why chars can't use them?

Go to character status and look at the weapon skill bar. Most characters start from E to A depending on how late into the game you recruit them.

Tiberium Wolf
2012-03-18, 15:41
Go to character status and look at the weapon skill bar. Most characters start from E to A depending on how late into the game you recruit them.

Thx... didn't even know that status window.

Flying Dagger
2012-03-18, 15:58
There some weapons which has in the description: Lv S

What does it mean? Why chars can't use them?

Each character has a weapon mastery. They go from E->D->C->B->A->S->M

New Game+ on Serawi's route. What's with this evil quest that asks to kill a monster starting in chapter 3 and that f*cking bird is level 90 O_O. /Mahou loaded his save pre-accepting the quest.
Shipwreck is also available, but I'm not ready for it ony Yuela and Will are level 48+ right now (the rest of my current crew is around 40) :heh: And I recently got Black Eushully

Yeah... that bird eventually unlocks more quests which gives yard furnitures (traps that produce animal parts). I lost a good 3 hours of game time because of that quest (I failed the quest because I did Roka's quest and the quest spans >10 days).

I would actually recommend doing the shipwreck quest as soon as you recruit the Eushully angels. The first dungeon in the mines (Sin gate) spawns a lot of gargoyle that is strong vs pretty much anything beside Wind elements and also have a chance to proc Death. Roka's quest is actually pretty simple. The last mission is packed with Dark Elves which are weak against holy: an element you should be very strong in.



//On the Eushully Angels:
Generally speaking, they have very high stats, comes with good mitigation and also have powerful weapons. Note that their weapons comes in several tiers: after you fully grow the first the 2nd one will be unlocked. As they (except anastasia) are angels, Angelic Guardian on each other can turn them into a very powerful death squad.

Eukleia is a great melee character that packs a punch with the ability to retaliate attacks at range 2. She is comes with S class physical mitigation (so not as great vs elemental/omni weapons). Ability to proc Death with her special attacks makes her even more powerful vs anything that is vulnerable (very good vs gobles!).

Eushully does less dps compared to Eukleia. Eventually she learns a range 9 spell, which should hit harder than Serawi's due to better weapon choices, higher accuracy, and also higher base str score. Combined with her ability to retaliate melee attacks she is a pretty powerful character.

Black Eushully suffers the same problem as other casters: often time she lags behind the party. She only has range 3 spells. She also cannot retaliate against melee attacks... I personally prefer Eliza over her as Eliza's Angelic Hymm cause charm, have access to Seal (via weapon and skill), and more important comes with Angelic Command. Her only real edge is that she comes with a powerful AoE spell.

Anastasia is very useful in ~the lv70 range. She has high luck (one of my first characters to max luck) and her attack greatly boosts str but sacrifices con. At one point she may be your most damaging character because she can attack 3 times with powerful attacks which would all be criticals. The problem her early maturity is that when you start on the lv90 dungeons the damage and innately high accuracy of enemies cause her to take a little too much damage for my liking...
Another problem with Anastasia is that she is not an angel, she does not benefit from Angelic Guardian.

Note that the +service gem for the Ultimate maid weapons are limited.

Dhomochevsky
2012-03-18, 16:12
What do you guys recommend for the 2nd play through?

I tried starting a NG+ and set all the options there to 'ON'. This resulted in me fighting lvl55 slimes on the first mission and having "Clone characters"...
I have all my stats from the first game, but does this even work? I mean with endgame items and all characters this might get boring. Should I choose other settings?

Moekou
2012-03-18, 16:22
What do you guys recommend for the 2nd play through?

I tried starting a NG+ and set all the options there to 'ON'. This resulted in me fighting lvl55 slimes on the first mission and having "Clone characters"...
I have all my stats from the first game, but does this even work? I mean with endgame items and all characters this might get boring. Should I choose other settings?

Yes, but only because it could get too hard, but if you actually want the main game to be prolonged then you can keep it. Normally on New Game + the main game content is supposed to be a joke, that's the point of most New Game +, so you can stomp over previously insane/unwinnable battles. Instead, the challenge is the actual New Game + content, which there is a lot of in Kamidori. In fact, if you're playing on Hard and un-capped level and this is only your second playthrough, it might get too tough for you at the end, especially if you want to get the good drops.

Dhomochevsky
2012-03-18, 16:29
Yes, but only because it could get too hard, but if you actually want the main game to be prolonged then you can keep it. Normally on New Game + the main game content is supposed to be a joke, that's the point of most New Game +, so you can stomp over previously insane/unwinnable battles. Instead, the challenge is the actual New Game + content, which there is a lot of in Kamidori. In fact, if you're playing on Hard and un-capped level and this is only your second playthrough, it might get too tough for you at the end, especially if you want to get the good drops.
So... everything ON except for 'Remove level cap' then?
I'm just worried that the new content might be as easy as the main content in the beginning if I do that. Will the game actually catch up to me, or would it just be a stomp all the way through until endgame?

Flying Dagger
2012-03-18, 16:30
So... everything ON except for 'Remove level cap' then?
I'm just worried that the new content might be as easy as the main content in the beginning if I do that. Will the game actually catch up to me, or would it just be a stomp all the way through until endgame?

Read my posts on the previous pages. Scaling is pretty terrible that its often better to just turn it off and use your lower lvl characters.

Moekou
2012-03-18, 16:43
So... everything ON except for 'Remove level cap' then?
I'm just worried that the new content might be as easy as the main content in the beginning if I do that. Will the game actually catch up to me, or would it just be a stomp all the way through until endgame?
As Flying Dagger said, one of the biggest difficulties with uncapped levels is that much of your team is likely to fall behind, and it'd be difficult to level outside of Deadbeat Dungeon. As you mentioned, your first fights were against level 55 slimes which are easy...assuming you're using evenly leveled party members. But what if there was some poor level 10 chap you never used? It'd be difficult to level up because the enemies still only give their base exp, so the slime will still count as a level 1 enemy for exp purposes. As the game goes on and you move to the harder content, you're increasingly likely to only use your best characters because everyone else dies in one hit, so you use them less and they fall further behind, and the cycle continues. In my second playthrough I did Hard/Uncapped and it was practically a solo effort at the end with this game's TG Cid while most other characters were support or fodder.

On the other hand, if you're a veteran SRPGer you may enjoy the difficulty spike if you throw yourself into high level areas. It was a thrilling change of pace to be using up dozens of revival potions and potions of every type I've been hoarding in Mirage Forest, where in addition to facing all those level 90 "superbosses" as generic respawning enemies, almost everyone got massive HP/SP/FP drain every turn. I actually found it quite refreshing and epic to constantly be over my command limit throughout the game just trying to survive...just not when I realized I needed to come back and grind these stages again for rare ultimate drops.

tlm10516
2012-03-18, 16:56
Asmodeus can freakin wait cuz i refuse to go through another dungeon like that for a while.... on the last one at least req lvl 95 which i dont have. oh well ill prob just wait for next game now that i know how to do everything and ill max out my chars before going on this way nothing i meant NOTHING will stop me hopefully.

doujin
2012-03-18, 17:09
Asmodeus can freakin wait cuz i refuse to go through another dungeon like that for a while.... on the last one at least req lvl 95 which i dont have. oh well ill prob just wait for next game now that i know how to do everything and ill max out my chars before going on this way nothing i meant NOTHING will stop me hopefully.

were u able to get mylen yet u can use her stage to level yourself a bit, that or the hanah church trial

Xacual
2012-03-18, 17:15
Asmodeus can freakin wait cuz i refuse to go through another dungeon like that for a while.... on the last one at least req lvl 95 which i dont have. oh well ill prob just wait for next game now that i know how to do everything and ill max out my chars before going on this way nothing i meant NOTHING will stop me hopefully.

If you cleared most of the dungeons you should have had an event with Asmodeus? She told you to craft one of each item, make sure you don't equip or place them, then there should be an event at the bar.

I now have 4/5 2.0 append NG+ dungeons completely done / artifacts collected. Just Pagan Seal to go. Damn Bahamut did not want to drop the Roka one.

Flying Dagger
2012-03-18, 17:19
My first NG+ dungeon was Sin Gate. I would say that was a pretty harsh experience as my team was somewhat under leveled (but it was a blast!). I also did not have Phinnily yet, and my Crayl and Gaptahl did not get any love on my first playthrough: so I was severely lacking in the Wind element department.

The mine dungeons after that feels a lot easier, mainly because I am no longer under leveled.

Roka's missions are pretty "easy" (just bring enough potions). Lyphia's is somewhat harder (because the two mandatory chars are lv50 while the rest of my party are lv60+ fighting other lv60+ mobs). You can use Asmodeus before you hit the lv95 dungeons of the mines. The mine dungeons are def easier than most outdoor lv90 dungeons.

Go ahead and give yourself a challenge :). Be prepared with consumables. Abuse skills such as Soul Shield, Cover/Guardian, Death effects (vs gobles, but useless in lv90 zones). The mine dungeons may feel overwhelming at first when a lot of the monsters in the region zergs your base. Play a little defensive and slowly push out. Worst case just use some sealing stones to close portals.

Xacual
2012-03-18, 17:22
Go ahead and give yourself a challenge :). Be prepared with consumables. Abuse skills such as Soul Shield, Cover/Guardian, Death effects (vs gobles, but useless in lv90 zones). The mine dungeons may feel overwhelming at first when a lot of the monsters in the region zergs your base. Play a little defensive and slowly push out. Worst case just use some sealing stones to close portals.

This is definitely key, go slowly and make sure you're fortifying yourself every step of the way, don't send a unit off by itself, unless you're positive it won't die. Most of the mine levels are 60+ turn limits you have more than enough time to go slowly. I don't think I spent more than 30 turns in any of them though, once you get the hang of them they're all pretty much the same and they go relatively fast. Just make sure you kill Asmodeus in your first fight with her, you'll need the devil beads. I killed her and I still ran out.

The level 90 2.0 dungeons on the other hand you access from the world map should be the last thing you do. Harder by leaps and bounds over everything else.

doujin
2012-03-18, 17:23
My first NG+ dungeon was Sin Gate. I would say that was a pretty harsh experience as my team was somewhat under leveled (but it was a blast!). I also did not have Phinnily yet, and my Crayl and Gaptahl did not get any love on my first playthrough: so I was severely lacking in the Wind element department.

The mine dungeons after that feels a lot easier, mainly because I am no longer under leveled.

Roka's missions are pretty "easy" (just bring enough potions). Lyphia's is somewhat harder (because the two mandatory chars are lv50 while the rest of my party are lv60+ fighting other lv60+ mobs). You can use Asmodeus before you hit the lv95 dungeons of the mines. The mine dungeons are def easier than most outdoor lv90 dungeons.

Go ahead and give yourself a challenge :). Be prepared with consumables. Abuse skills such as Soul Shield, Cover/Guardian, Death effects (vs gobles, but useless in lv90 zones). The mine dungeons may feel overwhelming at first when a lot of the monsters in the region zergs your base. Play a little defensive and slowly push out. Worst case just use some sealing stones to close portals.
heheh blood of revival spam

Flying Dagger
2012-03-18, 17:30
I actually try to not let anyone die: if they die I often consider that as a failure to the mission already. Potion spamming is the way to go :O.

While defending home bases there is actually a pretty "cheap" tactic I used:
[H][A][E]
H= home base, A=Ally, E = Enemy.
If you deploy a melee character on H and attack E, the character will have the option to return home after the attack if the attack fails to kill E.

To extrapolate a little, you can deploy any unit with Double Action and use them as scout, and return them on the same turn. This allows you to do a little more on Turn 1, and is useful (I use Uya for this) when collecting things around home base without wasting turns on your good characters.

doujin
2012-03-18, 17:50
I actually try to not let anyone die: if they die I often consider that as a failure to the mission already. Potion spamming is the way to go :O.

While defending home bases there is actually a pretty "cheap" tactic I used:
[H][A][E]
H= home base, A=Ally, E = Enemy.
If you deploy a melee character on H and attack E, the character will have the option to return home after the attack if the attack fails to kill E.

To extrapolate a little, you can deploy any unit with Double Action and use them as scout, and return them on the same turn. This allows you to do a little more on Turn 1, and is useful (I use Uya for this) when collecting things around home base without wasting turns on your good characters.

hey have figure out does sharty have special accessories like everyone else?

Xacual
2012-03-18, 17:53
It's a synthesis item from what I've seen going by screenshots. I'm not 100% sure where to get the pattern though. I haven't leveled Sharty to 99 though, maybe that's it?

mangafreak7793
2012-03-18, 18:33
When I'm doing the extra story for Kohakuran and Uya, I can't seem to unlock the trigger despite the fact I have both of them on the event signs, what do I do?

Xacual
2012-03-18, 18:40
When I'm doing the extra story for Kohakuran and Uya, I can't seem to unlock the trigger despite the fact I have both of them on the event signs, what do I do?

If you check the event signs it will tell you that Wil has to be the one on them. You have to use Kohakuren displace to do it. After you send Wil to an event sign a teleport back close to your base appears there.

mangafreak7793
2012-03-18, 18:44
ooh. Okay thanks.

tlm10516
2012-03-18, 18:49
If you cleared most of the dungeons you should have had an event with Asmodeus? She told you to craft one of each item, make sure you don't equip or place them, then there should be an event at the bar.

ya i saw that after i went to the next chapter lol i have her now after a very long fight =D

Now im meister how do i do those yard things that the Seiha website mentions?

mangafreak7793
2012-03-18, 19:06
Sorry for the double post but how do I get the feather of Elyun?

Xacual
2012-03-18, 19:08
Sorry for the double post but how do I get the feather of Elyun?

You just have to use it? It's the red / white feather that heals a unit that stands on it.

mangafreak7793
2012-03-18, 19:09
Oooh, I forgot.

Xacual
2012-03-18, 20:15
Was searching 4chan archive for sharty's artifact info looks like you need Land of Regrets cleared, and have 250 sense. I've had below 250 for a while because I was farming certain things out of my yard so I'll have to fix that.

doujin
2012-03-18, 20:19
Was searching 4chan archive for sharty's artifact info looks like you need Land of Regrets cleared, and have 250 sense. I've had below 250 for a while because I was farming certain things out of my yard so I'll have to fix that.

thanks btw inst thread been closed for a while?

tlm10516
2012-03-18, 20:50
Some quick questions....

What is the Seiha website talking about when its talking about the money quests and it says NG+ (Wil required to be Meister or Magnus rank)
Yard1: 500,000
Yard2: 800,000
Yard3: 1,000,000
Yard4: 1,500,000
Yard5: 2,000,000

also how do i go about beating Janes Challenge 2? Soul Shield doesnt do anything and i cant get enough damage off before he kills me

Flying Dagger
2012-03-18, 20:51
Clr Valkyrie Falls and 250 sense.
I actually updated the post with the summary with that last night. Maybe someone should PM a mod and have some of those info attached to the OP? (or someone edit it into the kamidori wiki)

//The "yard/mining upgrades" quest that cost a ton of money start automatically in NG+ after you become Meister and if you have the money to pay for them. The quest is not available unless you can afford them. All the things you get out of the investment are not very useful: so don't worry if you cannot afford them. Go spend the money upgrading costumes and on consumables.


Small tip on NG+ boss killing:
You can weaken a boss down to 1hp using Training bracers/unit with mercy. Finish it off with another unit that have both Mil and Tear equipped. Particularly useful against Advent Bay bosses as they all drop elemental weapons and each can sell for a LOT of money.


@Jane's challenge #2.
Use ring of desperation to give Wil Pervail III. I thought the quest, if I am thinking of the right one, requires you to use Wil? (How does soul shield come into play?) Side note: Wil's accessory is rather weak as it only grants him 2x action, advanturer, and interdimensional. Ring of Desperation/Bullseye is a much much better accessory for Wil in general. The Bullseye accessory most of the time not used for its +hit, but rather its critical chance: which does not require you to be at low health to be useful (my Wil has trouble losing any health). In fact if you do not care much for Double Action, which imo is a bit overrated on non-time sensitive missions on MELEE characters (it essentially double the dps of range characters) - Bullseye/Desperation accessory will most likely grant you a lot more power.

On general arena combat: a lot of fights can be cheesed with range attacks. Remember that enemies can only travel 1 square at a time on land that is owned by you. You can use this to your advantage and kite melee enemies.

Xacual
2012-03-18, 20:55
Some quick questions....

What is the Seiha website talking about when its talking about the money quests and it says

also how do i go about beating Janes Challenge 2? Soul Shield doesnt do anything and i cant get enough damage off before he kills me

The challenges don't have a time limit, so just get better gear before doing it again. Challenge 2 is Daitengu right? Never attack him if his attack says it will be assassinate, that will give you a higher chance of avoiding death procs. Other thing to do is to try to stay a square away from him after your turn is over, so use double action to attack and then fall back a space, he'll just use whirlwind slash instead of trying to attack you. Again increases your chance of not having to deal with a death proc. Just work him down slowly is what I did. Oh and a Meister Hammer for the Soul Shield 3 would be good too. At least when it gets low health and prevail starts making it hit hard.

About those money quests, it's the mining development stuff. Shows up after Meister/Magnus rank.


Small tip on NG+ boss killing:
You can weaken a boss down to 1hp using Training bracers/unit with mercy. Finish it off with another unit that have both Mil and Tear equipped. Particularly useful against Advent Bay bosses as they all drop elemental weapons and each can sell for a LOT of money.

For the Advent Bay bosses I was using Mylen equipped with bowling ball and using her 9 range nuke. It's pretty handy. She can do enough damage to kill each one in like one combat.

I've been using the training bracelet for low level raising though. Sharty and Kohakuren went up 30 levels now.

I was thinking about transmigrating all my characters before I started a new game so I'd have all level 1s at the start.

tlm10516
2012-03-18, 21:03
The challenges don't have a time limit, so just get better gear before doing it again. Challenge 2 is Daitengu right? Never attack him if his attack says it will be assassinate, that will give you a higher chance of avoiding death procs. Other thing to do is to try to stay a square away from him after your turn is over, so use double action to attack and then fall back a space, he'll just use whirlwind slash instead of trying to attack you. Again increases your chance of not having to deal with a death proc. Just work him down slowly is what I did. Oh and a Meister Hammer for the Soul Shield 3 would be good too. At least when it gets low health and prevail starts making it hit hard.

Pale Rider is the second challenge and it may sound stupid but when does wil get prevail? im pretty sure i lvl up his armor all the way and i dont have that lol

Xacual
2012-03-18, 21:25
Pale Rider is the second challenge and it may sound stupid but when does wil get prevail? im pretty sure i lvl up his armor all the way and i dont have that lol

I was meaning the Daitengu. I was thinking the challenges went, Valkyrie, Daitengu, Pale Rider, but I guess Valkyrie is different. For Pale Rider I just equipped a sanctified necklace to limit it's nuke damage and went at him. I think it has vorpal counter so just save each turn and if it vorpal counters you that turn, reload and don't attack it. He was much easier for me than the Daitengu.

Flying Dagger
2012-03-18, 21:28
The challenges don't have a time limit, so just get better gear before doing it again. Challenge 2 is Daitengu right? Never attack him if his attack says it will be assassinate, that will give you a higher chance of avoiding death procs. Other thing to do is to try to stay a square away from him after your turn is over, so use double action to attack and then fall back a space, he'll just use whirlwind slash instead of trying to attack you. Again increases your chance of not having to deal with a death proc. Just work him down slowly is what I did. Oh and a Meister Hammer for the Soul Shield 3 would be good too. At least when it gets low health and prevail starts making it hit hard.

About those money quests, it's the mining development stuff. Shows up after Meister/Magnus rank.



For the Advent Bay bosses I was using Mylen equipped with bowling ball and using her 9 range nuke. It's pretty handy. She can do enough damage to kill each one in like one combat.

I've been using the training bracelet for low level raising though. Sharty and Kohakuren went up 30 levels now.

I was thinking about transmigrating all my characters before I started a new game so I'd have all level 1s at the start.

You will have lv1s but there is, in a way, no point as you will just be killing everything as if you are a lv99.

After much much much debate with myself I decided to just start from a blank sheet in NG++. No Roka, Lyphia or Evelyn. No OPed accessories and weapons. I want a challenge and my lv99s are wayyyyy too strong even in lv90 dungeons.

Pale Rider is the second challenge and it may sound stupid but when does wil get prevail? im pretty sure i lvl up his armor all the way and i dont have that lol

Pervail comes from Desperation accessory which you learn how to make when you complete (objectives) of one of the NG+ dungeons.

Vs pale rider its actually pretty easy... Pale riders love to use their holy spell to attack during their turn. Simply wear a +holy accessory to put in some holy gems. Not sure if you have the 4 tail hammer (its a chest in one of the NG+ dungeons I think). It lets Wil cast a ranged fire spell and iirc, Pale riders are weak vs fire (and the 4 base elements).

doujin
2012-03-18, 23:29
hey anyone know where to get karmic staff:?

Flying Dagger
2012-03-19, 01:01
One of the later NG+ mine dungeons, I think the 2nd last one maybe?
Crafting the weapon for Eliza was a debate: Karmic staff allows your spells to proc Death, and casters I believe are reliant on the various elemental staffs in NG+ dungeons for their spells (this is esp true for Hannah whom has a staff of almost all the elements).

doujin
2012-03-19, 01:21
One of the later NG+ mine dungeons, I think the 2nd last one maybe?
Crafting the weapon for Eliza was a debate: Karmic staff allows your spells to proc Death, and casters I believe are reliant on the various elemental staffs in NG+ dungeons for their spells (this is esp true for Hannah whom has a staff of almost all the elements).

thx found it it was hidden. well since have everything it have to offer this play through. its time for Emilita route.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q83/doujinftw/FreeCandy.jpg

bansoji
2012-03-19, 02:10
Is quest 125 only available in NG+?

shakeofinfinity
2012-03-19, 04:49
only serawi can heal?

Xacual
2012-03-19, 04:57
only serawi can heal?

No, quite a few characters get healing spells, Serawi just starts with them. Personally I find it redundant to use them past the first few chapters. After that point you should easily be able to afford the potions you'll be using from the church.

Wigwams
2012-03-19, 06:07
i just got the 5th level angel's gauntlet weapon, it has the seal spell but i cant seem to use it? it doesnt show up in the attack choices.

doujin
2012-03-19, 07:12
i just got the 5th level angel's gauntlet weapon, it has the seal spell but i cant seem to use it? it doesnt show up in the attack choices.

seal is a permanent effect that make enemy cant use skill and magical attack on the particular target that have the skill, only their regular attack able to pass through.

endarion88
2012-03-19, 09:24
of the magnus weapon there is one equippable for lily?
edit: oh maibe i got it it's the devil lord gloves, but than someone knows where can i find the sage proof?

doujin
2012-03-19, 09:28
of the magnus weapon there is one equippable for lily?

demon lord glove, she a beast when she have that.
120 hit, 60 str, 60 int, 5 spd, 25 critical, with range attack: demon lord power

endarion88
2012-03-19, 09:33
demon lord glove, she a beast when she have that.
120 hit, 60 str, 60 int, 5 spd, 25 critical, with range attack: demon lord power

yeah i realized it was that, but i dont know where to find the sage proof

doujin
2012-03-19, 09:46
yeah i realized it was that, but i dont know where to find the sage proof

i think its in one of the yuidori mine high lv dungeon

Flying Dagger
2012-03-19, 10:36
Sage proof iirc is from the map where Ragsmuena has to go feed.
Maria's Heart on the other hand I think is Yuela's route only......

Lily's gloves is one of the better Ultimate because of Demon Lord's Power (and the spell looks awesome). The downside is that it strip Lily of her biggest selling point: ability to use almost any weapon in the game.


//
As I am starting Emelita's route from scratch I wonder if I am still make her NG+ clothing. Going back to the low level days where people actually run out of SP is kind of fun. At the same time since I am a lot better at the game (and I have 3 extra party members) things are still pretty easy.

endarion88
2012-03-19, 10:53
Sage proof iirc is from the map where Ragsmuena has to go feed.
Maria's Heart on the other hand I think is Yuela's route only......

Lily's gloves is one of the better Ultimate because of Demon Lord's Power (and the spell looks awesome). The downside is that it strip Lily of her biggest selling point: ability to use almost any weapon in the game.


//
As I am starting Emelita's route from scratch I wonder if I am still make her NG+ clothing. Going back to the low level days where people actually run out of SP is kind of fun. At the same time since I am a lot better at the game (and I have 3 extra party members) things are still pretty easy.

ok i will try to search there when i reach the chapter..(new game emilita route chap 2) but i dont see it in the map rewards in my old save file, is it in a hidden treasure box?

doujin
2012-03-19, 11:50
Sage proof iirc is from the map where Ragsmuena has to go feed.
Maria's Heart on the other hand I think is Yuela's route only......

Lily's gloves is one of the better Ultimate because of Demon Lord's Power (and the spell looks awesome). The downside is that it strip Lily of her biggest selling point: ability to use almost any weapon in the game.


//
As I am starting Emelita's route from scratch I wonder if I am still make her NG+ clothing. Going back to the low level days where people actually run out of SP is kind of fun. At the same time since I am a lot better at the game (and I have 3 extra party members) things are still pretty easy.

u should still keep the item and use marwen ring and necklace to see how far can u boost them from beginning

Flying Dagger
2012-03-19, 12:49
u should still keep the item and use marwen ring and necklace to see how far can u boost them from beginning

I thought about that but part of the early game fun is that it is difficult to make money. If I kept the items I would just be tempted to sell something and get 30k right away.

Also Marwen's ring+neck indirectly makes the game much easier as you are a lot stronger than what you "should be" (my lv3 char would have the stats of a lv5 with those accessories). Last playthrough I fanatically passed the ring around and a lot of my characters have 100 in str/con/int/res after using just a few stat stones: way too OPed. The only "boost" I have would be the three extra characters for NG+.

Mahou
2012-03-19, 13:17
Each character has a weapon mastery. They go from E->D->C->B->A->S->M



Yeah... that bird eventually unlocks more quests which gives yard furnitures (traps that produce animal parts). I lost a good 3 hours of game time because of that quest (I failed the quest because I did Roka's quest and the quest spans >10 days).

I would actually recommend doing the shipwreck quest as soon as you recruit the Eushully angels. The first dungeon in the mines (Sin gate) spawns a lot of gargoyle that is strong vs pretty much anything beside Wind elements and also have a chance to proc Death. Roka's quest is actually pretty simple. The last mission is packed with Dark Elves which are weak against holy: an element you should be very strong in.


//On the Eushully Angels:
Generally speaking, they have very high stats, comes with good mitigation and also have powerful weapons. Note that their weapons comes in several tiers: after you fully grow the first the 2nd one will be unlocked. As they (except anastasia) are angels, Angelic Guardian on each other can turn them into a very powerful death squad.
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So would you suggest to bring for the last part of Roka's quest mostly angel characters? I just failed at the mission because I couldn't make it in time to the ship, unless there's a shortcut. My team capacity isn't big enough to - for example - deploy each Eushully Angels + keep the original members (maybe Serawi and Emelita aren't that important there). I think I also should get Wil's second earth weapon as the earth axe is starting to become too weak. I agree on the Eushully though, from what I've seen they pack a serious face-stomping while receiving little damage (unless anti-air is involved)

Flying Dagger
2012-03-19, 13:30
So would you suggest to bring for the last part of Roka's quest mostly angel characters? I just failed at the mission because I couldn't make it in time to the ship, unless there's a shortcut. My team capacity isn't big enough to - for example - deploy each Eushully Angels + keep the original members (maybe Serawi and Emelita aren't that important there). I think I also should get Wil's second earth weapon as the earth axe is starting to become too weak. I agree on the Eushully though, from what I've seen they pack a serious face-stomping while receiving little damage (unless anti-air is involved)

Antiair does not trigger if the characters do not have the Flight skill equipped.

For that mission I ignored the sea monster. Angels are not necessary, just people who can use Holy spells and weapons (I did not use melodianna because her stats were really low at that point: she does not get better until the lv90s where she potentially catch up in stats with some NG+ chars).

The neutral ship guards were able to buy me time. I was somewhat close as well but was able to cut off the bishop when he was 2 squares away from the event point. If you must, Kohakuren's displace can provide reinforcements.

You get a lot of Earth hammers doing mirrage forest (lv90+ dungeon). I think Earth is one of the less useful elements in the game.

Tiberium Wolf
2012-03-19, 16:18
I finished Yuelia route and most my chars were at around lvl 40. Why are u ppl talking about lvl 90 and such ? I don't see lvl 90 dungeons.

mangafreak7793
2012-03-19, 16:45
What does the wig do in new game plus?

Rayrah
2012-03-19, 16:45
I finished Yuelia route and most my chars were at around lvl 40. Why are u ppl talking about lvl 90 and such ? I don't see lvl 90 dungeons.
Most people here finished Yeula's route and are on NG+; Dagger and doujin seem to be on NG++.

Man, those gauntlet matches were so damn difficult (on hard, anyway). Wil's, Crayl's, Sharty's, and Uya's gave me fierce problems. Especially Sharty's: that goddamn holy sealed solider thing was an uber pain. Completing all of them was oh so satisfying.

I'm at the few final dungeons of Yeula's route, and the level range of my party is 45~47.

Debating whether or not to turn the level cap on or off. It doesn't help that I don't fully understand it, even if it isn't particularly difficult to understand. Meh.

Off: Monsters' levels begin at 50ish?
On: Monsters' levels begin same as before?

Flying Dagger
2012-03-19, 17:11
Debating whether or not to turn the level cap on or off. It doesn't help that I don't fully understand it, even if it isn't particularly difficult to understand. Meh.

Off: Monsters' levels begin at 50ish?
On: Monsters' levels begin same as before?

Monster level is determined by two things:
i) Their base level: they can never go below their base level
ii) The average level of your top n (maybe 5?) exploring characters. Those whom are shopkeeping does not count.
iii) Monsters always scale for by a few levels even with the cap intact.

Lets take the first dungeon for example. Your team consist of level 50s.
With caps on, you will see Level 10 slimes. That is because the scaling cap of the dungeon is level 10.
With caps off, you will see level 50 slimes.

However, a good part of the game does not scale well beyond the "cap". Therefore, your level 50 characters will most likely make very very short work out of the lv50 slimes. Furthermore, because xp is based on Base Level, those lv50 slimes will still only 1xp per kill.

Because of the above points, I recommend you to leave the cap on. It gives your lower level characters something to do.

Some monsters can scale pretty well esp early in the game, but at the same time, you may have problems with Uya's xformation quest in NG+ if you have not been actively using him. Other quests, such as Mare sister cave you can solo with Wil, and the 2nd guild examination I used a training ring to weaken all the slimes before blowing them up with my underleveled Emelita.

All the old content becomes absolute trivial as soon as you start on NG+ content. Their difficult is no harder than mobs in deadbeat.

A side note: Will will need 500 kills to get his last title. So nuts in NG+ and use him to kill EVERYTHING.

What does the wig do in new game plus?

Nothing beside to give the gold scammer bar keep a new look. It does not do anything to the plot or anything, and you can change his look over and over. The same goes for Lily's form (I picked teenage to start with but lately have been liking her adult form a lot).

I finished Yuelia route and most my chars were at around lvl 40. Why are u ppl talking about lvl 90 and such ? I don't see lvl 90 dungeons.

They are in NG+ (when you start a 2nd game using old save data). You will get them eventually.

doujin
2012-03-19, 17:14
Monster level is determined by two things:
i) Their base level: they can never go below their base level
ii) The average level of your top n (maybe 5?) exploring characters. Those whom are shopkeeping does not count.
iii) Monsters always scale for by a few levels even with the cap intact.

Lets take the first dungeon for example. Your team consist of level 50s.
With caps on, you will see Level 10 slimes. That is because the scaling cap of the dungeon is level 10.
With caps off, you will see level 50 slimes.

However, a good part of the game does not scale well beyond the "cap". Therefore, your level 50 characters will most likely make very very short work out of the lv50 slimes. Furthermore, because xp is based on Base Level, those lv50 slimes will still only 1xp per kill.

Because of the above points, I recommend you to leave the cap on. It gives your lower level characters something to do.

Some monsters can scale pretty well esp early in the game, but at the same time, you may have problems with Uya's xformation quest in NG+ if you have not been actively using him. Other quests, such as Mare sister cave you can solo with Wil, and the 2nd guild examination I used a training ring to weaken all the slimes before blowing them up with my underleveled Emelita.

All the old content becomes absolute trivial as soon as you start on NG+ content. Their difficult is no harder than mobs in deadbeat.

A side note: Will will need 500 kills to get his last title. So nuts in NG+ and use him to kill EVERYTHING.



Nothing beside to give the gold scammer bar keep a new look. It does not do anything to the plot or anything, and you can change his look over and over. The same goes for Lily's form (I picked teenage to start with but lately have been liking her adult form a lot).



They are in NG+ (when you start a 2nd game using old save data). You will get them eventually.

lol dagger u still butt hurt about all those cash he took from u. he does give something nice at the end so forgive him for it.

Flying Dagger
2012-03-19, 17:26
At least with Hannah I get to buy new stuff from the church, I get a lot of love, a usable character who is really fun to use.

That bald head only gives me buddist statues that serve as a constant reminder of "Thou shall not commit adultery". (I will give him credit that the stuff he comes up with can be quite useful: I would take a Miko character over a statue any day.)

endarion88
2012-03-19, 17:28
i got the doll accessory for lily at te pagan seal but if i'm not wrong she have an other special one right?

Rayrah
2012-03-19, 17:52
Monster level is determined by two things:
i) Their base level: they can never go below their base level
ii) The average level of your top n (maybe 5?) exploring characters. Those whom are shopkeeping does not count.
iii) Monsters always scale for by a few levels even with the cap intact.

Lets take the first dungeon for example. Your team consist of level 50s.
With caps on, you will see Level 10 slimes. That is because the scaling cap of the dungeon is level 10.
With caps off, you will see level 50 slimes.

However, a good part of the game does not scale well beyond the "cap". Therefore, your level 50 characters will most likely make very very short work out of the lv50 slimes. Furthermore, because xp is based on Base Level, those lv50 slimes will still only 1xp per kill.

Because of the above points, I recommend you to leave the cap on. It gives your lower level characters something to do.

Some monsters can scale pretty well esp early in the game, but at the same time, you may have problems with Uya's xformation quest in NG+ if you have not been actively using him. Other quests, such as Mare sister cave you can solo with Wil, and the 2nd guild examination I used a training ring to weaken all the slimes before blowing them up with my underleveled Emelita.

All the old content becomes absolute trivial as soon as you start on NG+ content. Their difficult is no harder than mobs in deadbeat.

A side note: Will will need 500 kills to get his last title. So nuts in NG+ and use him to kill EVERYTHING.


Thanks for the thorough explanation; I appreciate it.

When you say 'lower level characters', do you mean the ones that are lagging behind level wise, or do you mean the NG+ characters? Because I've been doing my best to use and get comfortable with all characters. So, to reiterate because it's getting late and I'm feeling a little slow, it'd be best to leave the level cap on and use the 'lower level characters' to complete and explore the dungeons of the old content, as Wil and co. will simply over power monsters if the cap is left on, and the same will occur if the cap is turned off because of the NG+ content? Yeah, leaving the cap on seems like the way to go.

Yeah, I've heard about that. Is that the Magnus rank people keep talking about?

Oh, I haven't finished the game yet, but is it explained what lies behind the seal in the mines? I think I have a slight idea as to what it is.

Xacual
2012-03-19, 17:55
i got the doll accessory for lily at te pagan seal but if i'm not wrong she have an other special one right?

Lily has two accessories from Pagan Seal. The second you have to revisit the area for. It's in a chest where the last slime boss was on your first visit. Actually all 5 of the NG+ 90 dungeons have a chest added on your 2nd visit to get.


Oh, I haven't finished the game yet, but is it explained what lies behind the seal in the mines? I think I have a slight idea as to what it is.

I assume it's what is covered by the NG+ mine areas, especially the ones revolving around Asmodeus.

doujin
2012-03-19, 17:58
Lily has two accessories from Pagan Seal. The second you have to revisit the area for. It's in a chest where the last slime boss was on your first visit.



I assume it's what is covered by the NG+ mine areas, especially the ones revolving around Asmodeus.

the last mine is the most disappointed anticipation of this game why would i need a dam teleport bracelet

Xacual
2012-03-19, 18:04
the last mine is the most disappointed anticipation of this game why would i need a dam teleport bracelet

Well I assume it's just because you can't make them. It's the only reason I can come up with for why the game keeps giving me flight and teleport bracers. I think I have 6 of each now. It's really redundant especially once the artifacts come into play since most give some kind of either of those.

tlm10516
2012-03-19, 18:21
i was meister and happy that i got some new weapons for my characters....then i hit magnus and got a sh*t load more.....im so far away from beating this game!!! lol im never going to be able to play my other games at this rate