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MisaoFan

2012-05-05, 10:16

Original creator : ASCII Media Works X Aniplex
Introduction : 1. Theme is Friendship (?)
2. It features a 14-years old female protagonist
3. The director is also the character-designer
4. It's a bishoujo sci-fi action show
5. There are 5 main heroines
6. Main heroine leaves with her sister and grandfather
7. Main heroine lives in a poor family
8. Series' composition will be handled by both the director and the main scripwritter
9. Among the main staff, one of them is a mecha designer
10. The main characters believe the science in order to better bring the world in peace.
11. The story takes place in two islands : the first one is the one we all know, while the second is a artificial island dedicated to science (scientific academy perhaps ?)
12. Hardworking females are drawn in a cutesy style.
13. The mecha designer previously works as character designer from other series
14. The series' composer and mecha designer were already collaborated on a anime before
15. The series' composer also works as a mangaka
16 (Ultimate mystery). The director has a nickname that most fans call him.

Plot summary : Coming soon...

I'll update as new key elements (16 in total) will be revealed until May 30.

Dextro

2012-05-06, 07:12

4. It's a bishoujo sci-fi action show

I got hooked around the time this came out. Color me interested. :heh:

Scarletknive

2012-05-06, 07:42

Original creator : ASCII Media Works X Aniplex
Plot summary : 1. Theme is Friendship
2. It features a 14-years old female protagonist
3. The director is also the character-designer
4. It's a bishoujo sci-fi action show
5. There are 5 main heroines

I'll update as new key elements will be revealed until May 30.

Thats the anime name or random? Let me do the updates... I am always bored and the next mystery is after 10pm tomorrow.

MisaoFan

2012-05-06, 08:01

Thats the anime name or random? Let me do the updates... I am always bored and the next mystery is after 10pm tomorrow.

I can say that Vinto de Pint is a tentative title, according to its official website address. If the title is different after May 30, then I'll edit.

Cosmic Eagle

2012-05-06, 08:05

Well consider me interested....

MisaoFan

2012-05-06, 08:28

Scarletknive

2012-05-06, 09:01

I wonder if the other themes of the show besides friendship are either :
- Time travel
- Mecha musume
- Virtual reality
- Other

My bet is either time travel or Matrix-style (based on the website's background).

It updates every 2 days at 11pm so if you are awake by then feel free to post.(For I help out in posting the updates too.

let me consider the points you give....

Time travel: Anything related to time travel is hard to create.(Unless you are Key level or Urobuchi level.)
Mecha musume: hmm... I can't say for once but fi they give me IS style I am interested
Virtual Reality: Matrix or Accel World?
Others: Too general can't consider.

Website background is too general. There is no way we can prove what kind of anime it looks like.(This is also a way to let the suspense flowing, plus we need to look at the hints carefully to determine the kind of anime it will look like.)

MisaoFan

2012-05-06, 09:12

Time travel: Anything related to time travel is hard to create.(Unless you are Key level or Urobuchi level.)
Mecha musume: hmm... I can't say for once but fi they give me IS style I am interested
Virtual Reality: Matrix or Accel World?
Others: Too general can't consider.

I would say the combinaison of time travel and virtual reality is a nice combinaison for Vinto de Pint. Considering it's a bishoujo sci-fi show by Dengeki G's, I would say that either Sagu Aoyama (Ro-Kyu-Bu!) or Noboru Yamaguchi (Strike Witches) will be involved in the concept.

Scarletknive

2012-05-06, 09:16

I would say the combination of time travel and virtual reality is a nice combinaison for Vinto de Pint. Considering it's a bishoujo sci-fi show by Dengeki G's, I would say that either Sagu Aoyama (Ro-Kyu-Bu!) or Noboru Yamaguchi (Strike Witches) will be involved in the concept.

Fixed the word in bold for you.

You can't determine that way due to the fact that like i said, the background is too general. Next, the hints given are insufficient, but still are able to give a rough idea.(Like you said. But Try not to judge by the website background.)

Original creator : ASCII Media Works X Aniplex
Plot summary : 1. Theme is Friendship
2. It features a 14-years old female protagonist
3. The director is also the character-designer
4. It's a bishoujo sci-fi action show
5. There are 5 main heroines

I'll update as new key elements will be revealed until May 30.

New info is....
6. MC has a sister and a grandfather, total of 3 members in the family.

desrtsku

2012-05-07, 10:19

New info is....
6. MC has a sister and a grandfather, total of 3 members in the family.

Sounds pretty cute dark, I already smell a tragic development/ending

Utsuro no Hako

2012-05-07, 10:50

Am I the only one who keeps looking at the title and thinking, "Shouldn't that be 'Pint de Vino'?"

Hmm, wiki says "Vinto" is Italian for "loser".

desrtsku

2012-05-07, 11:22

^ Is it really Italian to begin with? O.o
Can anyone confirm that?

Hmm, wiki says "Vinto" is Italian for "loser".

eh? Isn't it the opposite? O.o ... not even sure if Vinto is a "noun" if it concerns Italian. Whichever language I choose on GT to translate it into, it always give the past participle of "win". Whatever, I'm not that familiar with popular romance languages except French so I can't say for sure ...

Well, admitting it really means "loser", it's not that problematic, is it? Actually since the background of the site is full of digits, it would actually make sense in that case ... just like MisaoFan it might be an anime about virtual reality (like a game for instance), so the term "win" or "lose" are more than welcome

Am I the only one who keeps looking at the title and thinking, "Shouldn't that be 'Pint de Vino'?"

Well, people here aren't even totally sure it's the actual "title" of the project itself

pinoscotto

2012-05-07, 12:36

italian here
vincitore=winner
perdente=loser
vinto=loser

MisaoFan

2012-05-07, 12:39

Other than that, I wonder who's going to translate the whole "Vinto de Pint" in english ?

desrtsku

2012-05-07, 13:07

italian here
vincitore=winner
perdente=loser
vinto=loser

And the "pint"?

Edit : if some serious things happen here, I'm seriously gonna drop google translate

Scarletknive

2012-05-08, 03:07

Other than that, I wonder who's going to translate the whole "Vinto de Pint" in english ?

Misao, I will help you out. Leave it to me to update you guys. :)

Mystery No.7:Poor Girl... Maybe i should give you some $. :) (MC's family are very poor... Give the MC some $.)

ivari

2012-05-09, 11:29

Brigadoon?

desrtsku

2012-05-10, 00:43

Mystery No.7:Poor Girl... Maybe i should give you some $. :) (MC's family are very poor... Give the MC some $.)

ok, that's starting to be a bit cruel ... now I'm waiting for the main staff to be revealed, I've already prepared my heart mind for Urobuchi for the most extreme case

NoemiChan

2012-05-10, 00:54

Would there be a male supporting cast? or purely females?

Tempester

2012-05-10, 01:45

Brigadoon?

Part of the information resembles it, but Brigadoon had only one female main character while this new anime is generally focused on 5 girls. Well, if it's anywhere near to as awesome as Brigadoon, it'll be worth watching.
Holy cow, someone else here knows Brigadoon...

Scarletknive

2012-05-10, 09:02

ok, that's starting to be a bit cruel ... now I'm waiting for the main staff to be revealed, I've already prepared my heart mind for Urobuchi for the most extreme case

A-Am I really that bad person? :upset:

MisaoFan

2012-05-10, 09:28

Don't be a bad person so don't worry. :)
But I guess the writer won't likely be Urobuchi but he likely appears in Phychopass.

desrtsku

2012-05-10, 12:02

A-Am I really that bad person? :upset:

No, no, no, you're not ^^, naturally you're not a bad person at all. It's just a misunderstanding. When I said that "it's cruel" I was talking about the fact that she's poor (and living with her GP and sister and all) not the "giving her money" part. After all, "giving money to a poor girl" is a good deed, even though it has some lewd connotations in certain cases ... but it's still a good deed in this case

Don't be a bad person so don't worry. :)
But I guess the writer won't likely be Urobuchi but he likely appears in Phychopass.

So it was confirmed? If he's busy torturing someone else, it's fine with me :uhoh:

totoum

2012-05-10, 17:14

So it was confirmed? If he's busy torturing someone else, it's fine with me :uhoh:

It wasn't confirmed,that's just random speculation.

He is busy with the exiled from paradise (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-04-09/nitro+/toei-exiled-from-paradise/rakuen-tushiho-is-sci-fi) movie though.

What intrigues me though is the director,I don't know many directors that are also chara designers.

7Th

2012-05-10, 17:46

It wasn't confirmed,that's just random speculation.

He is busy with the exiled from paradise (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-04-09/nitro+/toei-exiled-from-paradise/rakuen-tushiho-is-sci-fi) movie though.

What intrigues me though is the director,I don't know many directors that are also chara designers.

Most likely choices:

-Umetsu Yasuomi
-Atsushi Nishigori

Other likely choices:

-Ryochimo
-Kazuhiro Takamura

It's one of these four for sure.

webkid94

2012-05-10, 18:02

Most likely choices:

-Umetsu Yasuomi
-Atsushi Nishigori

Other likely choices:

-Ryochimo
-Kazuhiro Takamura

It's one of these four for sure.

Hopefully Nishigori, as his work with the iDOLM@STER was top-notch and a big step up from the generic character designs of the games.

NaweG

2012-05-10, 19:17

Misao, I will help you out. Leave it to me to update you guys. :)

Mystery No.7:Poor Girl... Maybe i should give you some $. :) (MC's family are very poor... Give the MC some $.)

We're sure they're not confirming the third season of Hayate? I mean if you looked at it from Hina's viewpoint...

duckroll

2012-05-10, 19:57

Most likely choices:

-Umetsu Yasuomi
-Atsushi Nishigori

Other likely choices:

-Ryochimo
-Kazuhiro Takamura

It's one of these four for sure.

Umetsu is actually working on a new TV series he's directing, and also working on character designs for a project. His blog doesn't make it clear if they're the same project, because they were different posts, but he seems to have finished his work on the Blood-C movie in March. If they're the same project, then it is most likely him. He was working on the OP/ED recently.

desrtsku

2012-05-11, 04:28

Most likely choices:

-Umetsu Yasuomi
-Atsushi Nishigori

Other likely choices:

-Ryochimo
-Kazuhiro Takamura

It's one of these four for sure.

Oh now that you mention it, I remembered Takamura has previously worked on multiple "sci-fi action girl" anime before as both director and character designer :uhoh:, personally I'd throw him in the "most likely choices", he has a lot of experience in that part :heh: ... and right now he seems to be free unless they plan another Strike witches for this year, that is.

Scarletknive

2012-05-11, 10:02

Mystery 8:series is done by both Main writer and director...(I think) :heh:

MisaoFan

2012-05-11, 10:09

Mystery 8:series is done by both Main writer and director...(I think) :heh:

You mean, the script ? I don't really understand. :confused:

duckroll

2012-05-11, 10:29

The 8th hint is that the series composition is handled by both the director and the main writer.

7Th

2012-05-11, 11:02

The 8th hint is that the series composition is handled by both the director and the main writer.

Yep; it's definitely Umetsu. Nishigori is still in the running, though. Takamura and Ryochimo are both definitely out.

desrtsku

2012-05-11, 11:13

wow, that director must be running on steroids ... he might really be Nishigori >.>

duckroll

2012-05-11, 11:21

Yep; it's definitely Umetsu. Nishigori is still in the running, though. Takamura and Ryochimo are both definitely out.

Umetsu is really the best choice if we're going to look forward to this for the action. Given the right production values, he could make something really solid. It'll probably not make a lot of sense in the end, but it'll look good! :D

darkchibi07

2012-05-11, 12:36

Here's the website for anyone who wants to keep track of it:

http://www.vinto-de-pint.com/

desrtsku

2012-05-11, 14:04

Umetsu is really the best choice if we're going to look forward to this for the action. Given the right production values, he could make something really solid. It'll probably not make a lot of sense in the end, but it'll look good! :D
Yes, yes, but if THAT guy is in charge of everything like that I seriously doubt this series can be aired on TV :heh:

Scarletknive

2012-05-13, 10:05

Mystery #9: Among the main staffs, 12 of them are mecha designers. (Confirmed for Mecha series. unless you tell me which mecha series has no mecha.(Akb0048 has mecha))

From these hint, I can deduce only 2 things:
-It is a mecha show.
-Theme is friendship.

What animes can we reference to?
1. Rinne no Lagrange.
2. Symphogear.(Maybe)
Or Both mixed together along with Aquarion EVOL type.

duckroll

2012-05-13, 10:15

Oh boy oh boy oh boy. 12 mecha designers in the main staff? I can't keep the excitement in my pants any longer.

duckroll

2012-05-13, 14:23

MisaoFan

2012-05-13, 14:26

Guys, correction! The font for the page is fucking terrible, but that is not a "12" but a "ni". The hint actually says there is a mecha design credit in the main staff credits, not that there are 12 mecha designers among the main staff. >_<

Is it just me, or the official website says there are 12 mecha designers in the main staff ? :confused:

duckroll

2012-05-13, 14:30

Is it just me, or the official website says there are 12 mecha designers in the main staff ? :confused:

It's a に using the crappy scifi font. Not a 12.

VampirePaladin

2012-05-13, 14:59

This sounds like it could be an intriguing series.

duckroll

2012-05-13, 15:21

Umetsu just blogged a few hours ago that he is working on additional designs for the new anime which he is directing and doing character designs for. He is trying to create uniquely cute designs. I think this pretty much confirms that he's working on the Aniplex/DengekiG's project.

desrtsku

2012-05-14, 03:57

What animes can we reference to?
1. Rinne no Lagrange.
2. Symphogear.(Maybe)
Or Both mixed together along with Aquarion EVOL type.

Idolm@ster Xenoglossia ... anyone? :uhoh:

Umetsu just blogged a few hours ago that he is working on additional designs for the new anime which he is directing and doing character designs for. He is trying to create uniquely cute designs. I think this pretty much confirms that he's working on the Aniplex/DengekiG's project.

Wow, seriously?!! I never expected to see "cute" and Umetsu in the same paragraph :twitch: ... did something good happened to him during the time he used to work on those series with ARMS and Green Bunny?

Scarletknive

2012-05-14, 07:22

Idolm@ster Xenoglossia ... anyone? :uhoh:

Wow, seriously?!! I never expected to see "cute" and Umetsu in the same paragraph :twitch: ... did something good happened to him during the time he used to work on those series with ARMS and Green Bunny?

Akb0048-Singing?

So let me remake that statement that I made...
Mystery #9: Out of the main staffs, one of them makes the mecha design. There done.

If there are cute designs, make it badass adorable.(If they say the MC is a tsundere, I will sure lol. If she is voiced by Yui Ogura, I will >_< AHH NO! HHHHHHHHNGGGGGGGGGGGGGG (Heart Shut down till next day 12pm.)

All posts are done by Kurohane, my brother.... *Heart shut down*

MisaoFan

2012-05-14, 07:42

If Yasuomi Umetsu is able to pull moe/cutesy designs, then I'm sold. Like Madoka, Symphogear or pretty much any anime based on the same recent stuff, I would say that the main heroine is a clumsy girl who mysteriously gains some powers. Hope it doesn't end up atrocious like *cough* Guilty Crown *cough* though. :rolleyes:

duckroll

2012-05-14, 09:55

When I think of Umetsu, and I think of "cute", I just end up having more nightmares. :(

desrtsku

2012-05-14, 13:21

Akb0048-Singing?

So let me remake that statement that I made...
Mystery #9: Out of the main staffs, one of them makes the mecha design. There done.

If there are cute designs, make it badass adorable.(If they say the MC is a tsundere, I will sure lol. If she is voiced by Yui Ogura, I will >_< AHH NO! HHHHHHHHNGGGGGGGGGGGGGG (Heart Shut down till next day 12pm.)

All posts are done by Kurohane, my brother.... *Heart shut down*

Why not?

I second the tsundere, ... it'll be fun to watch especially if she's got blond hair, pigtails and thigh-high socks (°w°)

OH BTW, nothing about which studio will do the animation yet?

If Yasuomi Umetsu is able to pull moe/cutesy designs, then I'm sold. Like Madoka, Symphogear or pretty much any anime based on the same recent stuff, I would say that the main heroine is a clumsy girl who mysteriously gains some powers. Hope it doesn't end up atrocious like *cough* Guilty Crown *cough* though. :rolleyes:

Well the main problem of *cough* *cough* Guilty Crown *cough* *cough* is its lack of originality, substance and the horrible quality of the writing, but we have two persons here in charge of it so it might be ok ... probably.

When I think of Umetsu, and I think of "cute", I just end up having more nightmares. :(

Same here ...
Well I already prepared my heart mind in case we got a dark, sadistic or violent series so I don't really mind (ok just a bit). And unlike the other sadist out there Umetsu doesn't really torture (just a bit from time to time though) his MCs ... though the fodders will have a really bad time :heh:.

Scarletknive

2012-05-15, 10:05

Here is some mystery
Mystery #10: Believe in science. It brings us peace for the world.(Get it?)

Time for me to bring in my own scenario.
Random guy: Believe in Science. It brings us peace.
Me: Still need to add songs like Heavyarms girl(Chris) song to bring better peace to the world, for you know science can destroy the moon and the user of that technology can RULE the world. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *TBR'd*

desrtsku

2012-05-15, 11:28

Mystery #10: Believe in science. It brings us peace for the world.

It's something a fanatic would say before performing a genocide by the use a powerful bacteriological weapon >.>

maximilianjenus

2012-05-15, 18:40

sounds like the project that the creator of lone wolf and cub wanted to make after watching madoka.

desrtsku

2012-05-16, 04:15

^ yep to put it bluntly "make a contract with science and you'll become a cyber shoujo" :heh:

Scarletknive

2012-05-16, 05:25

It's something a fanatic would say before performing a genocide by the use a powerful bacteriological weapon >.>

Or blasting the moon using an ancient cannon added with science.

desrtsku

2012-05-16, 06:50

It's something a fanatic would say before performing a genocide by the use a powerful bacteriological weapon >.>
Or blasting the moon using an ancient cannon added with science.

Just hope for him he won't get trolled by one of the main characters too :heh:

MisaoFan

2012-05-16, 07:03

I expect it to be the next Madoka : started as a fluffy series before detetoriating into a grimdark parade. It's like I expected Naruto to be the next DBZ.

desrtsku

2012-05-16, 07:55

Especially because it's actually difficult to expect a dark series from a Cute Girl+mecha combo (like it was for Madoka's Mahou Shoujo reconstruction), no one might actually see it coming so it's gonna work (unless the otaku are on their guards) ... what's left is having the staff saying : "it's gonna be cute & moe, sweet & fluffy from the beginning to the end" and it'll be the perfect trolling :heh:

Scarletknive

2012-05-17, 10:04

Whats the time? Its time for new mystery!

Mystery 11:
Me: The scene of the series is at 2 islands. All i know is one island full of those you know... Worker island which is full of science. The other sounds more nicer to us...
MisaoFan: Heh... Is it? Let me check maybe get you better info.
Me: Sure my bro is busy so I can't get a better translation.
MisaoFan: :)
Me: Sounds like the stage part is more of singing again... My senses are wrong is it?

To MisaoFan for main post: We can't assume the MC thinks that peace can be made through science. My mystery is based on what scenario i want to make.

Judging by the fact that there are mecha designs, means that it is either:
1) A pure mecha anime with some girl action.(From all the mysteries.)
2) The enemies are those look-alike NO FUN police from AKB0048, who knows what robots they create..., and the girls are maybe symphogear style.(Genre is Sci-Fi girl action.)

duckroll

2012-05-17, 10:51

MisaoFan

2012-05-17, 12:28

If anything, the show's elements is like a mix of Railgun with Infinite Stratos (?)

Scarletknive

2012-05-18, 00:32

Hint #11 is "The show is set on an island filled with natural beauty, and an artificial island populated by science and technology."

Hint #10 was "A peaceful world where science can solve all problems."

Hint #10:I said it in a scenario type situation.

#11 I have no idea... Since we have 2 islands, you know what this calls for? it calls for WAR...(From what we usually know, a country filled with greenery will become a urban jungle later. E.G. My own country.)

desrtsku

2012-05-18, 05:32

Hint #11 is "The show is set on an island filled with natural beauty, and an artificial island populated by science and technology."

Hint #10 was "A peaceful world where science can solve all problems."

Who's the other screenwriter ... Kamachi?!! :eyespin:
With that's it's somehow confirmed we'll have non-virtual battles, and all my ideas having a dark series crumbled (not that I mind though :D). Albeit, it's still unknown if they'll troll us with a deconstruction or not :heh:

"A peaceful world where science can solve all problems." : yet they'll create badass weaponry for girls to kick asses >.> ... seriously, I only know a few guys out there who have a peculiar conception of what "peace" is and 3 of them have been mentioned here already :heh:

VampirePaladin

2012-05-18, 14:58

Who's the other screenwriter ... Kamachi?!! :eyespin:
With that's it's somehow confirmed we'll have non-virtual battles, and all my ideas having a dark series crumbled (not that I mind though :D). Albeit, it's still unknown if they'll troll us with a deconstruction or not :heh:

"A peaceful world where science can solve all problems." : yet they'll create badass weaponry for girls to kick asses >.> ... seriously, I only know a few guys out there who have a peculiar conception of what "peace" is and 3 of them have been mentioned here already :heh:

Maybe it starts out peaceful and then halfway through the series war breaks out turning the fun highjinks into serious battles.

Scarletknive

2012-05-19, 10:03

MisaoFan

2012-05-19, 10:08

What time is it? Its mystery time. Ah-kekekekeke.

Mystery #12: Moe Hardworking Girls....BANZAI!!! *Dies after getting hit by Northern Cross*
What it actually means: Hardworking girls are drawn cutely.(?) I can die if there are lolis in there...*lolicon smirk*

I'm pretty sure it refers to the main heroines. :D
Considering it has mecha and science, expect females to wear hard weapons and mecha musume !

Scarletknive

2012-05-19, 10:56

I'm pretty sure it refers to the main heroines. :D
Considering it has mecha and science, expect females to wear hard weapons and mecha musume !

While being cute too... :heh:
Me: Yes, lolicon lord(SaintessHeart)! I will bring them to you. :bow:

*Absolute Zero'd*

desrtsku

2012-05-19, 11:03

What's up with the girls these days?! If they don't have heavy weaponry or superpowers, they become ghost and zombies >.>

*lolicon smirk*

Welcome to the club :D

Maybe it starts out peaceful and then halfway through the series war breaks out turning the fun highjinks into serious battles.

It better happen soon enough in the story though, slow starts are dangerous to anime these days, even if the series is really good (it was almost fatal even to FMAB, thank god that one was strong)

Scarletknive

2012-05-19, 11:06

What's up with the girls these days?! If they don't have heavy weaponry or superpowers, they become ghost and zombies >.>

Welcome to the club :D

It better happen soon enough in the story though, slow starts are dangerous to anime these days, even if the series is really good (it was almost fatal even to FMAB, thank god that one was strong)

Add me in bro. :D

Heavy weaponry for Gundam-Girls only.

darkchibi07

2012-05-19, 11:20

I'm pretty sure it refers to the main heroines. :D
Considering it has mecha and science, expect females to wear hard weapons and mecha musume !

I almost prefer those hard suits like in Bubblegum Crisis. We haven't had an anime series that featured that, haven't we?

desrtsku

2012-05-19, 11:33

Add me in bro. :D
That one was just a figure of speech, of course, but if you know an actual Lolicon thread on this forum please inform me ;)

Heavy weaponry for Gundam-Girls only.

I request an exceptional use of heavy firearms for Mahou shoujo(s) :heh:

To MisaoFan : just bumped into the character design of some Mirai Millenium cast (http://www.dannychoo.com/post/en/26116/Mirai+Millennium+Design.html), is that the genre you're looking for? :)

MisaoFan

2012-05-19, 12:00

To MisaoFan : just bumped into the character design of some Mirai Millenium cast (http://www.dannychoo.com/post/en/26116/Mirai+Millennium+Design.html), is that the genre you're looking for? :)

The mecha musume design in Mirai Millenium is not what I'm looking for, what I'm looking for is the mecha musume pics (https://yande.re/post/index?tags=observerz) designated by an artist named observerz. Also, the heavy weapons will be drawn in a Chaos;Head/Guilty Crown style.
Even though Aniplex is producing the show, I'll expect Tatsuya Katou as the music composer because I loved his epic tracks used in Qwaser of Stigmata and Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere (combining these two styles in this show's music will be awesome).

Scarletknive

2012-05-19, 21:32

That one was just a figure of speech, of course, but if you know an actual Lolicon thread on this forum please inform me ;)

I request an exceptional use of heavy firearms for Mahou shoujo(s) :heh:

To MisaoFan : just bumped into the character design of some Mirai Millenium cast (http://www.dannychoo.com/post/en/26116/Mirai+Millennium+Design.html), is that the genre you're looking for? :)

A certain "magical girl" who uses Nanoha's relics(Well, look-alike and also has the reference of using Nanoha's way of making friends or understand each other.) will like to speak to you.

desrtsku

2012-05-20, 03:22

The mecha musume design in Mirai Millenium is not what I'm looking for, what I'm looking for is the mecha musume pics (https://yande.re/post/index?tags=observerz) designated by an artist named observerz. Also, the heavy weapons will be drawn in a Chaos;Head/Guilty Crown style.

I see now, but the weapon might be another story though ... BTW I like how you guys use loli as references all the time :heh:

Even though Aniplex is producing the show, I'll expect Tatsuya Katou as the music composer because I loved his epic tracks used in Qwaser of Stigmata and Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere (combining these two styles in this show's music will be awesome).

Not sure about that though, it's almost pretty impossible to guess who's gonna provide an anime's soundtrack, there are even times it changes season after season.

A certain "magical girl" who uses Nanoha's relics(Well, look-alike and also has the reference of using Nanoha's way of making friends or understand each other.) will like to speak to you.

Are you talking about Vivio?

Scarletknive

2012-05-20, 03:53

I see now, but the weapon might be another story though ... BTW I like how you guys use loli as references all the time :heh:

Not sure about that though, it's almost pretty impossible to guess who's gonna provide an anime's soundtrack, there are even times it changes season after season.

Are you talking about Vivio?

Read my post.(Note:"Reference")
It is not from Nanoha... So since I can't get you via moderator... I will just post it on spoiler.
Consider si-fi girl action and heavy weapons girl a.k.a heavyarms.

http://i.imgur.com/IhzyP.jpg

Here. Why?
1) It involves relics from ancient times.
2) Sci-fi girl action with heavy weaponry.(And powerful)
3) Took some of Nanoha's element of Befriending.

desrtsku

2012-05-20, 09:32

^ Oh you were talking about her! My bad :meh: , but it would have been much quicker if you just said the girl I use as avatar :heh:

MisaoFan

2012-05-20, 11:58

When you mix Nanoha, Madoka and Symphogear's references completed with mecha musume and science theme, you'll get a ultimate magical girl sci-fi action : Vinto de Pint !

Scarletknive

2012-05-21, 10:04

^ Oh you were talking about her! My bad :meh: , but it would have been much quicker if you just said the girl I use as avatar :heh:

I am lazy to use avatar as free answers usually.

What time is it now? It is Teru Time!

http://videoclipsimage.agaclip.com/051RRRf9Oc0-_-psyco-gundamboss.jpg
"AHH SORRY I DON'T MEAN THAT! WRONG SERIES SORRY! :T_T: " *stomped by the big guy*

I mean mystery time.

Mystery #13: Mecha designer did make character designs from other series. Any hints bros?

Note: The little guy there is me, whereas the big guy is... one of Teru's fan... You guys find out who is Teru.(Though I am expecting an answer soon from MisaoFan.)

To MisaoFan, Symphogear is considered a mix of Nanoha w/ macross w/ Gundams.

desrtsku

2012-05-21, 13:12

Mystery #13: Mecha designer did make character designs from other series. Any hints bros?

A mecha designer who's also a character designer ? ... well I only know Satou Keiichi and Shimada Humikame ... but the later is actually more a "book illustrator" and both of them already have a confirmed project this year

duckroll

2012-05-21, 18:48

The hint is actually more detailed than that. It says that the mecha designer has previously done original character designs for other series, as opposed to just animation character designs. So someone like Shimada Humikame is what we should be looking out for.

DonQuigleone

2012-05-21, 20:03

duckroll

2012-05-21, 21:15

Potential candidates for mecha designer:

Akira Yasuda - Well known mecha designer, but also well known for illustrations and original character designs. Does designs for Capcom fighting games, as well as original character designer on Turn-A Gundam, and original animation character designer on Bodacious Space Pirates. He does not do clean animation character designs, so he fits.

Yutaka Izubuchi - Well known mecha designer. Also known for conceptual design on uniforms and outfits, and creature designs. He doesn't generally do actual character designs, but he is credited for the original character designs of Lodoss War, probably because he did the novel illustrations.

Humikane Shimada - Known for his work on Strike Witches and Sky Girls, but not really a prolific mecha designer in general. He definitely qualifies, but it depends on the sort of design direction this show is going for.

desrtsku

2012-05-22, 01:47

MisaoFan

2012-05-22, 01:51

Scarletknive

2012-05-22, 01:56

I either choose Yutaka Izubuchi or Okama as the mecha designer, but the mecha designs went like this (https://yande.re/post/show/209826/bodysuit-loli-mecha_musume-observerz), this (https://yande.re/post/show/212415/bodysuit-mecha-observerz) and this (https://yande.re/sample/1ccc5a967656c63fb8cdfd45b165ba6b/yande.re%20210960%20sample.jpg).

Will pass if those designs REALLY came about... Well lets wait for the new mystery then we speak...

ivari

2012-05-22, 04:22

Syd Mead anyone?

MisaoFan

2012-05-22, 04:25

If anything to go by, episode 1 must be a perfect troll compared to the rest (hehe, my predictions !).

desrtsku

2012-05-22, 04:41

I either choose Yutaka Izubuchi or Okama as the mecha designer, but the mecha designs went like this (https://yande.re/post/show/209826/bodysuit-loli-mecha_musume-observerz), this (https://yande.re/post/show/212415/bodysuit-mecha-observerz) and this (https://yande.re/sample/1ccc5a967656c63fb8cdfd45b165ba6b/yande.re%20210960%20sample.jpg).
Will pass if those designs REALLY came about... Well lets wait for the new mystery then we speak...

Well, if it were just a bit less hardcore (smaller suits) it will be perfect ^^"

duckroll

2012-05-22, 08:26

Okama is an interesting option, but it would be a case of someone not really known for mecha designs at all. Nothing wrong with that, but it makes the hint sorta deceptive if it's true. Shigeto Koyama is another mecha designer who does character designs, but his line art is clean enough such that he isn't really an "original character designer" but a proper character designer, like on Heroman.

MisaoFan

2012-05-22, 08:31

Since Yasuomi Umetsu is directing, I wish this wouldn't be animated by ARMS but by AIC ASTA, but since they already have a LN adaptation scheduled for this summer, we delay it for next winter, right ?

duckroll

2012-05-22, 09:02

I dunno, if I had to guess, I'll say the animation studio for this is A-1.

desrtsku

2012-05-22, 10:28

I dunno, if I had to guess, I'll say the animation studio for this is A-1.

That's right! I almost forgot they're Aniplex' little buddy and a studio big enough to produce good quality anime several times a year :heh:. If this project is of a great production value then we'll surely get a wonderful piece of work.
I'm still hoping for either Production IG or PA Works though ... sorry, I know it's hopeless but I really want top notch visuals (TwT)

MisaoFan

2012-05-22, 10:34

That's right! I almost forgot they're Aniplex' little buddy and a studio big enough to produce good quality anime several times a year :heh:. If this project is of a great production value then we'll surely get a wonderful piece of work.
I'm still hoping for either Production IG or PA Works though ... sorry, I know it's hopeless but I really want top notch visuals (TwT)

Me too hoping to want top notch visuals, with a good amount of hues on characters' hair, eyes and delicious bodysuits !

desrtsku

2012-05-22, 10:49

^ You're definitively asking for them too

Kaioshin Sama

2012-05-22, 13:53

It seems to be going for a mecha/sci-fi slant, which is fine with me. Mecha was a bit moribund there for a while, good to see it coming back.

The question is if they can squeeze something new out. The hints seem to point towards a slightly mythic vibe, and the fact the protagonist will be a girl will give an interesting twist (given Mecha is traditionally dominated by guys). What would put me off if it's just going for a generic Moé or Harem angle. That said, I don't see them going through this whole "hint hint" rigamarole for a generic show.

Mecha isn't really making any sort of comeback, at least not the real or super robot type I've always been a fan of. It seems like now its almost always mecha musume or some blend of moe on mecha where the actual robots fighting thing always seems like an afterthought. Also the mecha design in these shows always come off as generic to me, especially when they're CGI which often seems to be the case.

I'll give it a chance hoping it'll break the mold a bit but not exactly holding my breath. The whole island setting thing isnt exactly a great sign to me these days either.

desrtsku

2012-05-22, 15:21

^ erm, without trying to be slightly off topic or rude, isn't Unicorn the living example of the good real robot genre coming back to our age? O.o Even though it's probably at the current date the only one, (and considering you're not a fan of the Code Geass genre either that is) it better than nothing ... I'd even say it's really worth praising.
Also it's not like I'm forcing it, but the current movie remake of a certain bio-mecha anime series whose third episode will premiere this fall isn't bad at all either, even though it's not the real mecha genre you guys used to admire ... but I guess it might be up to people's taste ^^"

Back on topic :

the fact the protagonist will be a girl will give an interesting twist (given Mecha is traditionally dominated by guys)

Sorry, I missed that one earlier. ^^"
Not really, the mecha genre has been filled with girls for ages already. There's several mecha anime title whose main charaters are girls that can be mentioned in that premise (Sora wo kakeru shojo, Idolm@ster xenoglossia, Rinne no Lagrange, etc ...) but they're still a minority compared to the outstanding number of mecha anime with male lead out there though. However if you also count supporting characters piloting too, then, I'd say it's even more balanced than what you think :rolleyes:

The question is if they can squeeze something new out. The hints seem to point towards a slightly mythic vibe, and the fact the protagonist will be a girl will give an interesting twist (given Mecha is traditionally dominated by guys). What would put me off if it's just going for a generic Moé or Harem angle. That said, I don't see them going through this whole "hint hint" rigamarole for a generic show.
About that it's pretty much confirmed since the beginning that it'll be moe (Dengeki G+aniplex+girls = Angel beats for instance :heh:), though it's pretty hard for the "harem angle" because of the circumstances set by the said hints that have been revealed so far. And in that regard the chance of it being a real mecha anime is also pretty low, to be accurate certain hints pretty much confirmed that it's a mecha musume one.
As for the story and if this anime will bring any kind or innovation to its genre is currently unknown. Truth to be told, everything mentioned so far in this thread were pure speculation. But, probably (I said probably) if the identity of the main staff will be revealed we might be able to tell if a genre deconstruction is possible or not. But until, then I advise you not to put your hopes too high

Scarletknive

2012-05-23, 10:02

What time is it? It is Heavyarms Girl time...
http://www.gundammodelkits.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Gundam-Model-Kit-Heavy-Arms-Custom03.jpg
Heavyarms: Thats my girl, now get your body off from her or I will shoot.
Me:Sorry, wrong timing...

I mean mystery time...

Mystery #13: Main Writer and Mech designer did done an anime project together before...(Thats from my own knowledge, anyone can elaborate.)

desrtsku

2012-05-23, 10:23

^ ah my head hurts, I seriously thought heavyarms was red

Back on topic :
my mind is blank

MisaoFan

2012-05-23, 10:33

Considering we had 5 main heroines and has mecha musume (?) stuff, I'll expect some yuri hints and love triangle or anything like that, with huge wall of drama/tragedy showing girls crying or gets feared a lot.

DonQuigleone

2012-05-23, 16:15

Not really, the mecha genre has been filled with girls for ages already. There's several mecha anime title whose main charaters are girls that can be mentioned in that premise (Sora wo kakeru shojo, Idolm@ster xenoglossia, Rinne no Lagrange, etc ...) but they're still a minority compared to the outstanding number of mecha anime with male lead out there though. However if you also count supporting characters piloting too, then, I'd say it's even more balanced than what you think :rolleyes:

Yeah, but it's almost never done well, for whatever reason. The only instance of female protagonist (and dominated) Mecha being good is Aim for the Top! Back in the late 80s. So while it has been done, I'd still consider it fairly virgin territory.

About that it's pretty much confirmed since the beginning that it'll be moe (Dengeki G+aniplex+girls = Angel beats for instance :heh:), though it's pretty hard for the "harem angle" because of the circumstances set by the said hints that have been revealed so far. And in that regard the chance of it being a real mecha anime is also pretty low, to be accurate certain hints pretty much confirmed that it's a mecha musume one.
As for the story and if this anime will bring any kind or innovation to its genre is currently unknown. Truth to be told, everything mentioned so far in this thread were pure speculation. But, probably (I said probably) if the identity of the main staff will be revealed we might be able to tell if a genre deconstruction is possible or not. But until, then I advise you not to put your hopes too high

Any anime these days featuring girls is going to feature some Moé. It's a question of degree. If the show is dominated by the Moé with the mecha/sci-fi aspects just an afterthought, it'll be a dissappointment for me. On the flip side, it could be good. If you recall, Aim for the Top! also contained a fair amount of (proto) Moé, and fanservice, but it is nevertheless considered one of the foremost examples of Mecha. The female protagonist (whose name escapes me) bucked the trend for most women in mecha, by being very fleshed out and 3 dimensional. Most importantly, she had plenty of Burning Passion, that is often such an essential ingredient for good mecha. A lot of other female centred mecha fail on this point, having cute, but ultimately unimpressive leading ladies.

desrtsku

2012-05-24, 05:12

Yeah, but it's almost never done well, for whatever reason. The only instance of female protagonist (and dominated) Mecha being good is Aim for the Top! Back in the late 80s. So while it has been done, I'd still consider it fairly virgin territory.

I see, well It's just like how One swallow does not make a summer, is it?

Any anime these days featuring girls is going to feature some Moé. It's a question of degree.
You're exaggerating, there do exist recent anime that aren't moe at all, even if they are centered around girls : Madoka (believe it or not :heh:), Un-go, Gundam Age (if you consider being a loli itself is not moe though), Eden of the east, most Ghibli and other Production IG movies ... if you're seeing something that can be called "moe" or "fanservice" in them it might have been unintentional.

If you recall, Aim for the Top! also contained a fair amount of (proto) Moé, and fanservice, but it is nevertheless considered one of the foremost examples of Mecha. The female protagonist (whose name escapes me) bucked the trend for most women in mecha, by being very fleshed out and 3 dimensional. Most importantly, she had plenty of Burning Passion, that is often such an essential ingredient for good mecha. A lot of other female centred mecha fail on this point, having cute, but ultimately unimpressive leading ladies.

Seems like the moe is settled, then, ...about the other one ... I wasn't born yet at the time so I don't really know (I watched Diebuster though) but I still believe you made a very good point, that's for sure. But, even so, it's not impossible for a not-so impressive female lead to fit in a good mecha anime. After all, "burning passion" isn't actually that essential for any mecha series in the first place, say most successful Gundam series (that doesn't have Char and Armuro as leading roles >.>), as well as Evangelion, and the some of the Macross series all have half backed MC but are still very good series and unforgettable references (well that's what deconstruction are for).
I assert the plot and the mecha battle themselves can make a Mecha series a good one (but not certainly epic though) without having " stunning guys armed with guts and unshakable feelings" as the tip of the sword, just being interesting on their own way and fitting their own context is enough, isn't it? ^^

totoum

2012-05-24, 09:04

You're exaggerating, there do exist recent anime that aren't moe at all, even if they are centered around girls : Madoka

Here's your 2011 saimoe winner (http://www.animesaimoe.org/2011index.html)
Look at the quarter finals,3 out of 4 girls are from madoka.

Westlo

2012-05-24, 09:22

desrtsku

2012-05-24, 09:23

Here's your 2011 saimoe winner (http://www.animesaimoe.org/2011index.html)
Look at the quarter finals,3 out of 4 girls are from madoka.

^ hoy hoy, just because they won it, doesn't mean there's actual "moe" in the series, it's just the result of the Otaku's obsession over a massively popular show ... or would you say K-on!'s the best anime of 2009-2010 because it won several prices two years in a row?

It's like Unicorn isn't selling better than every real robot show before it or something! If only it could be the best selling OVA series ever or something, than it would show mecha is saved! Mecha is dead didn't you hear? Slice of life dominates it even though the 2 Code Geass, 2 Gundam 00 and Macross Frontier TV series were incredibly successful over the last 6 years.... Not to mention the 2 Frontier Movies as well as Gundam 00... those Evangelion movies... total flops.
No one wants to watch mecha, look @ Gundam AGE it flopped all because of the genre and nothing else! Not like we have a set of Code Geass OVA's lined up that could potentially be similar to Unicorn in sales! Eva 3.0? pfft. You would have to be crazy to think that the mecha genre was the best selling genre of the last decade or something!
Eh I don't really get where you're going O.o. Are you guys talking about sales or the quality of the show itself? From my part, I was talking about quality saying UC and the others are good shows, not that they were incredibly successful. And if we're talking about Sales and all, it's not like I don't know which genre dominates the market since 2006 ... but how can you say Eva was a flop with 2 and 4 Billion respectively in the box office and 900K in sales?! O.o

Edit : I forgot the discussion was about the real robot genre coming back in the sense of good Gundam like mecha fighting and not mecha musume or the mecha-sub genre Evangelion created ... or I might have gotten it wrong >.>

totoum

2012-05-24, 10:32

^ hoy hoy, just because they won it, doesn't mean there's actual "moe" in the series, it's just the result of the Otaku's obsession over a massively popular show ... or would you say K-on!'s the best anime of 2009-2010 because it won several prices two years in a row?

Ok let's start over,basically the thought of Madoka not having moe characters in it seems so strange to me that I really have a hard understanding why you'd say that so could you explain?

And to tie this back to Vinto de Pint,we know this is going to have a few female protagonists so what would the anime need to do for them to be moe or not moe?

MisaoFan

2012-05-24, 10:36

Ok let's start over,basically the thought of Madoka not having moe characters in it seems so strange to me that I really have a hard understanding why you'd say that so could you explain?

And to tie this back to Vinto de Pint,we know this is going to have a few female protagonists so what would the anime need to do for them to be moe or not moe?

For me, I always call Madoka moe because of the artstyle, but I know moe is used for cute females' emotions and have the will of being protected with cutesy. As for Vinto de Pint, since the characters are most likely drawn in a cute artstyle, I'll expect the moe overdose for them.

desrtsku

2012-05-24, 11:29

Ok let's start over,basically the thought of Madoka not having moe characters in it seems so strange to me that I really have a hard understanding why you'd say that so could you explain?

ok : Madoka doesn't have the usual trait of trait "moe character" that incite the viewers to have the specific reaction of finding them really "cute" or having some kind of attraction or desire to hug and cherish them as the usual moe character would, because :

1. the hidamari sketch-ish design of course makes them look like some children that would attract the attention of casual lolicon(s) who'd them cute (and probably is the main factor why people think it's moe). Alas, it gives the impression their design aren't drawn with the "best quality there is" ... and is in a very low level of cuteness compared to the usual bishoujo or cute young female character nowadays. (and no need to say that it was done on purpose, leading to the conclusion the show actually have an unique charm with it ... see 4)

2. On top of that, the total absence of the usual moe personality tropes, the nonexistence of real fanservice (barely the innocent ones ... at best if you really try hard with the BD version you can add up to a total of "subjective fanservice" 45s for their transformations and 1m30s for ep 12 :heh:) and their nigh-realistic personality interfere more than often with any probable moe-trait of the show.

3. the story is just too dark, and the viewers are globally shown the tragic side of the show and the characters' sufferings ... and it's not innocent tears that would accentuate their cuteness that you'll get, but tears of despair that make them look pitiable (or do you find it's cute and moe seeing sayaka snapping? ... and it's not even on the same scale as yangire or yandere who at least doesn't really suffer that much when they kill and are really cute/attractive in their dere mode).

4. The cherry-like character design hits backward (from the cuteness) in the dark and complexe universe the story is set, and their constant suffering doesn't make it look better (moe-wise that is) ... creating an Happy tree friends-like effect combined with the deception/surprise of previously expecting a moe-blob show and getting a break-the-cutie parade instead (the trolling of Urobutcher)

And to tie this back to Vinto de Pint,we know this is going to have a few female protagonists so what would the anime need to do for them to be moe or not moe?
As Misaofan said : cute character design (they are cute ^^), "14 year-old" : the age that most of the time otaku think to be where girls last conserve their "innocence", 5 MC (innocent yuri scenes?), the story is set on Islands ... and nowadays island always connote swimsuit and beach episode (for it fanservice + cute 14-year-old shy girl = super cute). And finally the eventuality of having a Mecha musume anime induce a high probability of breast, butt and pantyshot (though most of them might be pettanko)

DonQuigleone

2012-05-24, 13:53

I see, well It's just like how One swallow does not make a summer, is it?

Exactly.

You're exaggerating, there do exist recent anime that aren't moe at all, even if they are centered around girls : Madoka (believe it or not :heh:), Un-go, Gundam Age (if you consider being a loli itself is not moe though), Eden of the east, most Ghibli and other Production IG movies ... if you're seeing something that can be called "moe" or "fanservice" in them it might have been unintentional.

They're very rare, and I don't think your examples are necessarily the best. Madoka (as evidenced by many other responses) is generally considered fairly Moé. Many dark series contain a lot of Moé, a great example being Higurashi. Madoka is fairly subtle though. However the basic idea of Moé is to elicit a "loving/protective" sensation in the viewer, which Madoka certainly does. Likewise, ghibli actually originated a lot of Moé elements, for instance Nausicaa is actually considered one of the first Moé characters, as is Sheeta in Laputa. The difference is that Ghibli never conciously went out to make Moé the way many current producers do. A good example of a show without much Moé would be something like the Tatami galaxy, or Mushishi. But most recent "mainstream" anime contains some Moé.

Seems like the moe is settled, then, ...about the other one ... I wasn't born yet at the time so I don't really know (I watched Diebuster though) but I still believe you made a very good point, that's for sure.

I'd definitely reccomend Gunbuster, it's a lot better (and less fanservicey) then Diebuster, though Diebuster isn't bad either.

But, even so, it's not impossible for a not-so impressive female lead to fit in a good mecha anime. After all, "burning passion" isn't actually that essential for any mecha series in the first place, say most successful Gundam series (that doesn't have Char and Armuro as leading roles >.>), as well as Evangelion, and the some of the Macross series all have half backed MC but are still very good series and unforgettable references (well that's what deconstruction are for).
I assert the plot and the mecha battle themselves can make a Mecha series a good one (but not certainly epic though) without having " stunning guys armed with guts and unshakable feelings" as the tip of the sword, just being interesting on their own way and fitting their own context is enough, isn't it? ^^
Personally I think the Guts and Passion are a big part of what makes Mecha what it is. Some shows are more subtle about it then others (for instance very few shows are quite as blatant as, say, Gurren Lagaan). And that goes for both Super and Real Robot. About the only exception I can think of is Evangelion, and the shows like it, but those shows are meant to "anti- mecha" type shows anyway.

If we look at Gundam, Kira Yamato(Gundam Seed) was passionate, and Setsuna F Seiei (Gundam 00) also became rather passionate, likewise Amuro Ray and Char as you noted. If we look at Macross, it's generally quirky, as Mecha goes, but Macross as always contained a fair dose of melodrama, and fairly passionate dudes. The original Macross had Maximillian Jenius, and Roy Focker, while Hikaru came through in the end. Likewise Macross Frontier's Alto was generally pretty gutsy too.

If we look at Real Robot in particular, while it's certainly more realistic then a super robot show, it's still not that realistic. Part of what a Mecha setting is all about is to make conflicts a lot more personal. Rather then millions of faceless peons shooting each other on a nameless battlefield, you have the modern equivalent of Samurai Warriors, or Knights, facing off with each other. A Genre that consists of men piloting 50 foot tall man sized robots facing off in single combat to determine the fate of civilization is not one based on subtlety (and I wouldn't have it any other way ;) ). The whole point is that it's Romantic (in the medieval sense (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_%28heroic_literature%29)). When their best friend dies, characters don't brood in the corner feeling shellshocked, no, they cry buckets, and go on "revenge" sprees! When they're fighting their enemies, they don't quietly focus on winning the battle, no they have long speeches talking about why they're right, and why their enemy is wrong, all the while trading blows from their lazer swords!

It's notable that most Real Robot Mecha share a lot of similiarities with Chinese epics like Romance of the Three Kingdoms, and other epics. I don't think this is a coincidence. Mecha is all about heroism. Super Robot draws from "man vs. beast" type stories, where the Mecha replaces the heros amazing sword and shield. Real Robot draws from more realistic (but still heroic) epics like the Iliad or RoTK, again, where the emphasis is more about heroic men fighting one another. but a lot of the story telling elements of Mecha shows can be seen in old style epics. For instance, lest you complain about Mecha pilots stopping mid fight to make speeches, in the Iliad, they stop midfight to tell each other all about their ancestors, and why they were so amazing! All the heightened melodrama in Mecha is in a very similiar style.

In addition, because Real Robot mecha are frequently unglamourous mass produced models (except in Gundam ;) ), the focus has to be much more on the pilots personality in order to make him stand out. That's why I think Larger then Life personalities (which often entails Burning Passion) is such a big part of Mecha. Mecha is all about being BIG, and that goes for personality too.

The reason that female protagonists often fail in Mecha, is that in Anime girls are not usually endowed with these kind of big traits(largely for Japanese cultural reasons, Yamato Nadesico are prized for their steadyness and caring disposition, not their bombast), so the saga lacks it's centre, it's hero(es). But it certainly can be done, but the leading lady needs to be played as a hero, not a glorified supporting character (which is what often happens).

totoum

2012-05-24, 14:58

ok : Madoka doesn't have the usual trait of trait "moe character" that incite the viewers to have the specific reaction of finding them really "cute" or having some kind of attraction or desire to hug and cherish them as the usual moe character would, because :

I'm pretty darn sure there's plenty of viewers that feel like huging and cherrishing them,that's why seeing their tragic fate got so much emotional responses from the viewers.

In answer to:

1. The level of cuteness of the design is a subjective thing,there's people that find them extremely cute ,I'm one of them and I'm sure the staff thinks so as well, I honestly don't think they went with these designs because they thought they were low level cuteness.

2. There's plenty of moe characters that show up in animes that lack fanservice,animes like Azumanga Daioh's fanservice consists of swimsuits,shows like Sketchbook or Tamayura are even more tame.So to me discussing fanservice is totaly off topic.

3.The overall tone of a story has no impact on whether or not a character is moe or not,Neon Genisis evangelion's tone doesn't stop Rei from being moe.
I don't find it cute to see Sayaka snap,I find it tragic to see the cute genky tomeboyish girl from episode 1 snap.

4. you can't break the cutie unless you create the cutie first, Madoka Magica used moe to quickly get viewer attachment to the girls and their fates.

As Misaofan said : cute character design (they are cute ^^), "14 year-old" : the age that most of the time otaku think to be where girls last conserve their "innocence", 5 MC (innocent yuri scenes?), the story is set on Islands ... and nowadays island always connote swimsuit and beach episode (for it fanservice + cute 14-year-old shy girl = super cute). And finally the eventuality of having a Mecha musume anime induce a high probability of breast, butt and pantyshot (though most of them might be pettanko)

Again you bring fanservice (with breasts,butts,panty shots) into this which to me is off topic.

Whether Vinto de Pint will go for a setting similar to Rinne no Lagrange or a more distopian setting like AKB0048 isn't going to have an influence on if the characters in it are moe or not.

0utf0xZer0

2012-05-25, 02:41

1. the hidamari sketch-ish design of course makes them look like some children that would attract the attention of casual lolicon(s) who'd them cute (and probably is the main factor why people think it's moe). Alas, it gives the impression their design aren't drawn with the "best quality there is" ... and is in a very low level of cuteness compared to the usual bishoujo or cute young female character nowadays. (and no need to say that it was done on purpose, leading to the conclusion the show actually have an unique charm with it ... see 4)

As a general rule, I’d say if it’s seinen and it has cutesy character designs reminiscent of shoujo works, you can assume that the show is prima facie (“on the face of it”) moe. Because it almost always is.

Moe is pretty much slang for blooming or budding. And moe art is impressionistic – it’s meant to convey the sensation of a girl “blooming” – or, let’s try a synonym, “flowering”. You need to capture a certain girlish kind of vitality.

Mami definitely has it. As powerful as she is, there’s always a sort of feminine elegance to everything she does, even in combat. (The most memorable Mami cosplay I saw at Sakuracon – which, having Gen Urobuchi in attendance, had a lot of Madoka cosplay – was a young woman with a lot of dance background. She had a way of bringing the character to life with her poses that really stood out.)

Madoka and Sayaka are even more obvious IMO because of their costumes. Those colours. And all those frills.

(I’m very tempted to see how far I can stretch this “flowering” analogy. Sick girl characters are like the single flower in a wasteland – kind of a delicate beauty. While someone like Hitagi Senjougahara is more like a rose – beautiful, but prickly, especially to the unwary.)

2. On top of that, the total absence of the usual moe personality tropes, the nonexistence of real fanservice (barely the innocent ones ... at best if you really try hard with the BD version you can add up to a total of "subjective fanservice" 45s for their transformations and 1m30s for ep 12 :heh:) and their nigh-realistic personality interfere more than often with any probable moe-trait of the show.

Several of them are meant to evoke moe archetypes, with Madoka herself being the most obvious. “Clumsy but good natured” is practically the default personality for protagonist girls in moe shows assuming the lead character is female, the only real question is how much fighting spirit they have thrown in. Seriously, the archetype is everywhere… K-On, Hanasaku Iroha, Strike Witches, and Sora no Woto all have lead characters that fit it, to name just a few.

desrtsku

2012-05-25, 05:11

-snip-

Well you also have "Moemura" as the clumsy girl, but then again those archetypes were never that highlighted in the series, they were given those traits not for the usual fan pleasing goal, but to give the show either a semblance of softness in the context (in regard of what one would expect for those kind of show) or to emphasize with character development. This is even more effective since Madoka steps on a very popular genre "mahou shoujo" which has been touched like that more than often and got every possible kinds of sub-genre but still maintain a stereotype, so using very common traits for the characters is inevitable ... but they aren't left there as they are. >.>
Past a certain point in the series, you can always observe the disappearance of certain traits in favor to other ones, for instance Madoka's clumsiness is the result of Homura overprotecting her, or Homura loses her clumsiness in exchange of a stronger personality (even if she's still in the hot-&-cold class) ... as they show respective sense of sacrifice in the process ; same for Sayaka who revert to a colder personality, while Kyoko got softer instead ... and both of them having an issue about how to behave in this dark world ; and Mami who usually strong and protective became a friend killer when she snapped. As you can see, none of the popular idom you mentioned never got this kind of manipulation of their personalities ... To put it bluntly, while you have some tropes that's recurrent in moe/popular shows each character has another personality darker and more realist in contradiction to it => that's why I said it's not so smart to call this show a moe one
Same goes with their design, this cute and cherry design is what one would see in usual Mahou Shoujo, light hearted magical stuffs, etc ... while the universe is as dark as Saya no Uta's. As such, they also have a totally different design (real Eldritch abominations) representing their witches ... strange to say that the two obvious ones are the ones who became witches in the anime/manga, while the other 3 don't have witches (not counting the PSP game where they have a witch version when you lose) Homura had a physical change as her personality grew colder, Mami got the most drastic change of personality among them (but nothing about her appearance, and Kyoko has a present and past version one with a normal design and one with a psychedelic one.

MisaoFan

2012-05-25, 05:29

Even though it's going to be a mecha musume show, they at least show fanservice prominently during fight scenes, since the main heroines will wear skimpy yet armored bodysuits.

desrtsku

2012-05-25, 08:30

oh dammit!! I forgot what the thread was about again ... sorry for being off topic ^^

To Totum : sorry I didn't see your reply previously. Well, that's some good counter argument. Though I'd like to precise by fanservice I didn't mean to speak about pervert stuffs but innocent fanservice (eg : seeing a cute girl blush, saying a cute phrase, shipping, wearing cute clothes, mahou transformation/even the non-partial-nude one etc ... yep they are fanservice too) or like wise using these moe traits to entertain the fan even if it's just for a few seconds (though I did mean it that way for Vinto-de-pint). Well it's true, the story doesn't have impact on how moe a character should be but unlike these girl Ayanami didn't get this kind of character development (rather her slenderness and seeing her getting attached to a certain somebody made her cute), she's still a light within this darkness. On the other hand, the characters from Madoka never had any real chance to make this sort of appeal to begin with.

you can't break the cutie unless you create the cutie first, Madoka Magica used moe to quickly get viewer attachment to the girls and their fates.
*think hard and make some research for 1 about hour*
...
ok I lost, please forgive me :bow:, I really don't know how to answer that, so let's say Madoka isn't that moe instead ^^"

-snip-
sorry I didn't see your reply either ^^"
Yeah, that's right, I also mostly liked Gurren Laggan because of how charismatic and appealing Kamina was (and latter on Simon too) though I think those traits are more present with Gainax shows than any others (who are more other the top that what's already other the top ... minus Demonbane). But, reading your comment (which was super long BTW >.>) also makes me think of how much of an impact Evangelion has on the mecha and the dark genre, and makes me think of either the mecha show reminiscent of Eva can be put in the same deconstruction category or in the general category (but let's forget that).
As for Gundam, I didn't think Kira had that much of passion at first he was too irresolute and emotive (certainly he got better as time goes on, but it still takes some 20~25 episode before arriving at that point ... nonetheless we always welcome character developments :D) ; however in Seed Destiny Shin was far from being impressive and interesting from the beginning to the end (thank god the cool guys were still there). Gundam 00 ... no comment. Macross no comment. But let's just precise that Melodrama is more abut the plot then the characters.
3 Paragraph explanation : globally, you resumed Gurren Laggan in a respectable amount of words :heh:. Well firstly, many components are to be taken in account if I follow you : spectacular fights, story of an epic and fabulous quest, and and the guy. But through using the same line of reasoning, if everything must be big then everything is just as important; like I said average characters can somehow fit in an excessively other the top mecha show as long as the writing, action, etc fill the blank left by the epicness of the character ... though the show might be not as complete as it should be, but it will still be a very good mecha series. Examples have been cited already, so let's keep it there. Though you're right on one important point, the perfect mecha show one that really deserves to be called a masterpiece of the genre must have a superb lead (not count the special exception we already know).
Madoka thing : after being lectured about it by 3 people in 2 days, I think I got the lesson :heh:
As for, the Ghibli thing, Nausicaa, Sheeta, probably Kiki, Shihiro and limit Arrietty too are ok, but the others are just too straight to be moe I think O.o
I'd definitely reccomend Gunbuster, it's a lot better (and less fanservice) then Diebuster, though Diebuster isn't bad either.
Ok I'll try it :D, but please don't make it sound like I watch anime for that reason, ... even though it's not far from the truth >.>

Back on TOPIC :
Even though it's going to be a mecha musume show, they at least show fanservice prominently during fight scenes, since the main heroines will wear skimpy yet armored bodysuits.
thanks for appeasing the tension. But we have to confirm who the staff is to be totally sure. ^^" (though we're 60% sure at this point)
Also there's something that bugs me about the two Island thing ... are they at war or just two different part of the same prefecture?

MisaoFan

2012-05-25, 09:25

thanks for appeasing the tension. But we have to confirm who the staff is to be totally sure. ^^" (though we're 60% sure at this point)
Also there's something that bugs me about the two Island thing ... are they at war or just two different part of the same prefecture?

I always think the two islands are on the same prefecture, but the second island should be created by the academy's director for evil purposes.

EDIT : 15th mystery revealed : The series' composer is also a mangaka.

duckroll

2012-05-25, 10:33

desrtsku

2012-05-25, 10:54

^ and you had to think of the writer of notable dark series (-w-) ...

MisaoFan

2012-05-25, 11:01

My wild guess is :
Director : Yasuomi Umetsu
Series Composition : Yasuomi Umetsu, Tow Ubukata
Character Designer : Yasuomi Umetsu
Mecha Designer : Yutaka Izubuchi, okama or Shigeto Koyama
Animation Production : AIC ASTA

duckroll

2012-05-25, 11:02

Actually if you think about it, a staff line up like this is pretty believable:

Original Concept: Yasuomi Umetsu
Director: Yasuomi Umetsu
Series Composition: Yasuomi Umetsu, Tow Ubukata
Main Writer: Tow Ubukata
Character Design: Yasuomi Umetsu
Mechanical Design: Range Murata

MisaoFan

2012-05-25, 11:05

Mechanical Design: Range Murata

I thought it was a joke, but I'm very dissapointed by Range Murata being a mecha designer for this show. I prefer when the designs looks like they're drawn by observerz, but I hope the kind of mecha musume would be like this (https://yande.re/post/show/209826/bodysuit-loli-mecha_musume-observerz) or this (https://yande.re/post/show/212415/bodysuit-mecha-observerz).

duckroll

2012-05-25, 11:09

I thought it was a joke, but I'm very dissapointed by Range Murata being a mecha designer for this show. I prefer when the designs looks like they're drawn by observerz, but I hope the kind of mecha musume would be like this (https://yande.re/post/show/209826/bodysuit-loli-mecha_musume-observerz) or this (https://yande.re/post/show/212415/bodysuit-mecha-observerz).

It's my guess, but Tow Ubukata and Range Murata did work very closely together on the cancelled Mardock Scramble OVA which was being produced by GONZO, remember? That's what made me realize that Range Murata is also a mecha designer who does a lot of original character designs. It also fits the design sense, because I think Range Murata's art style is much better at complimenting Umetsu's character designs.

But who knows, you could be right, and it could be okama. He also worked with Ubukata before, doing designs for Chevalier. (Whoops, it was toi8, not okama.)

Scarletknive

2012-05-25, 11:25

The second last hint is that the main writer also works as a writer for original manga works. (This does not mean the writer is an artist, because many manga today have both an artist and a writer.)

Edit: I'm going to make a wild guess.

Main Writer - Tow Ubukata
Mecha Design - Range Murata

Dont take things while I am not around...(I was watching Tasogare Otome and Sket Dance...)

Take all things into account, while we can answer all questions.
-Who done original manga stuffs.
-Who will fit in all the stuffs...

The last one I will do, no one is to steal :) If steal again, I will kiraboshii you to bits. :D

ivari

2012-05-25, 11:33

Tsutomu nihei

desrtsku

2012-05-25, 12:43

So, we're back at the staff member guessing thing? Umetsu will surely shed tears of joy if he go to this this thread (>w>)

Scarletknive

2012-05-27, 10:01

Me: It is time for the final mystery ehh..
duckroll: Yeah... Its time.

Mystery FINAL: There is a nickname for the director which the fans call him.

Any idea now who is the director that has nicknames made by the fans?

After this one there is tuesday. Hence, thats the true final anime name.

Tyabann

2012-05-27, 13:39

Yamakan? Nabeshin? :heh:

MisaoFan

2012-05-27, 13:52

Yamakan? Nabeshin? :heh:

Give Yasuomi Umetsu a nickname : Umemin !!

7Th

2012-05-27, 14:41

Welp, this latest clue kinda shot down Umetsu, as far as I know. OTH, Atsushi Nishigori becomes more likely since they call him Gori/Goripon. Now it could look like this:

Director: Atsushi Nishigori
Series Composition: Atsushi Nishigori, Kazuki Nakashima
Main Writer: Kazuki Nakashima
Character Design: Atsushi Nishigori
Mechanical Design: Shigeto Koyama

duckroll

2012-05-28, 07:22

MisaoFan

2012-05-28, 07:27

duckroll

2012-05-28, 08:02

Yeah I hope it's fake too. :(

fertygo

2012-05-28, 08:06

What a buzzkill... Instead we got fascinating original anime with unusual staff, but what we got is basically Strike Witches + freaking Yoshino Hiroyuki writing :uhoh:

duckroll

2012-05-28, 08:21

Man, bad news. The domain http://www.vividred.net is indeed registered by Aniplex. Ughhhhh....

desrtsku

2012-05-28, 08:30

Apparently it's been leaked. I don't see a scan, so I can't confirm for sure, but it seems the show is called Vivid Red Operation, and the director/character designer is Kazuhiro Takamura. The main writer is Hiroyuki Yoshino, and A-1 Pictures is producing. So basically... everyone in here got it wrong, and the show is also probably going to suck. Oh well!

You mentioned A-1 yourself last time didn't you?

Edit 1 : But at this point it's still a rumor, right? Although if there's veracity in that, then, it's not that bad either ... at least it's not directed by Yamakan :heh:. And I don't think it will suck (at least not totally) because it's A1-pictures = a studio with a good track record and that started shining recently. So, there's some chance we'll have some better than average animation quality if they really put effort into it.

However, I can't find worse than Yoshino Hiroyuki :uhoh: ... it's a given the writing will lack the anticipated quality and originality, good!! Another show I'll probably watch only for the pantsu and pretty faces >.>

Also, about Takamura, I remember a certain guy said this (http://forums.animesuki.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=4155096)

Edit 2 :
Man, bad news. The domain http://www.vividred.net is indeed registered by Aniplex. Ughhhhh....
Sh*t

7Th

2012-05-28, 08:35

On the bright side, Umetsu's show is still coming.

desrtsku

2012-05-28, 08:37

^ Oh, yeah, but that one will be an OVA for sure >.>

DonQuigleone

2012-05-28, 08:53

Does the leaked staff conform with the clues? For instance does Kazuhiro Takamura have a nickname?

desrtsku

2012-05-28, 10:14

^ I'd like to know too, but I'd like to believe it's him rather than having Yamakan coming back from the dea- ... Ordet

duckroll

2012-05-28, 10:56

You mentioned A-1 yourself last time didn't you?

Yeah, that was the easy part. I would really literally take ANY other guess on staff anyone else made here, rather than what it seems we ended up with... :(

7Th

2012-05-28, 12:20

Does the leaked staff conform with the clues? For instance does Kazuhiro Takamura have a nickname?

Yes; fans call him "Crotch Director", "股間督" in Japanese.

MisaoFan

2012-05-28, 12:34

How about Yasuomi Umetsu's nickname ?

desrtsku

2012-05-28, 13:45

Yes; fans call him "Crotch Director", "股間督" in Japanese.

Suits him well :heh:
So it's likely to be true then >.>. Our last hope is that Yoshino somehow got better with his writing after seeing how badly criticized his last work *cough*GC*cough* was. Seriously I'd rather have a random Strike Witches copy-paste than something written by this guy ... oh, wait, I forgot he's second to no-one at copy-pasting :heh:

Jokes aside, basically, from the best to the worst point we have :
-A good animation studio
-an average yet famous director
-a writer with a not-so-good track record
Damn, it sounds just like Guilty Crown >.> ... not comforting at all

MisaoFan

2012-05-28, 13:51

I hope Yoshino will make something good for this show, just like Little Busters! fans want J.C Staff trying their best to do so.

zeniselv

2012-05-28, 18:17

so this turned into a fiasco...

DonQuigleone

2012-05-28, 19:08

Yeah, the director seems fine. While his main directorial credit is Strike Witches, he's got episode director credits from several good series, including Gurren Lagaan and Card Captor Sakura.

The writer doesn't fill me with confidence though.

I'm not believing anything until I see the official announcement though. For one thing, I don't see why they'd suddenly change the title. It's possible that's a different title being announced.

darkchibi07

2012-05-28, 23:42

ANN confirms Kazuhiro Takamura involvement:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-05-29/strike-witches-takamura-launches-vivid-red-operation-anime

Tyabann

2012-05-28, 23:51

You guys kind of set yourselves up for this, no offense. :heh:

Scarletknive

2012-05-29, 00:30

Man, bad news. The domain http://www.vividred.net is indeed registered by Aniplex. Ughhhhh....

I click on it and nothing happens.

Well, it sure looks like Strike Witches from the ANN link. So what is it? Strike Witches version 3?

desrtsku

2012-05-29, 05:25

So, are we going to keep discussing about it here or make a new thread called "Vivid Red Operation"?

fertygo

2012-05-29, 05:30

I click on it and nothing happens.

The site just got registered, its nothing in there for now.

MisaoFan

2012-05-29, 05:52

So, are we going to keep discussing about it here or make a new thread called "Vivid Red Operation"?

This thread will change its name from Vinto de Pint to Vivid Red Operation.

winhlp32

2012-05-29, 09:17

Really like how this anime is being set up so far and the character designs are excellent, but having Hiroyuki Yoshino writing means I will have to stay cautious.

Scarletknive

2012-05-29, 10:00

This thread will change its name from Vinto de Pint to Vivid Red Operation.

vividred.net (http://www.vividred.net/) OPEN!

Director: Director of SW.
Series maker: The one who done Macross F.
A-1 is the producer.

desrtsku

2012-05-29, 10:58

vividred.net (http://www.vividred.net/) OPEN!

Director: Director of SW.
Series maker: The one who done Macross F.
A-1 is the producer.

Damn, that's way too optimistic :uhoh:. Macross F didn't really shine for the quality of its writing, but that comment still have some unreasonably nice connotation with it, it seriously doesn't fit with the current mood. :rolleyes:

The "VividRed Operation" logo title is kind of imaginative though.

MisaoFan

2012-05-29, 11:02

Damn, that's way too optimistic :uhoh:. Macross F didn't really shine for the quality of its writing, but that comment still have some unreasonably nice connotation with it, it seriously doesn't fit with the current mood. :rolleyes:

The "VividRed Operation" logo title is kind of imaginative though.

Despite the negative comments made by fans, I still could enjoy watching this one. As desrtku said, the logo is very unique (even with the little Windows-like circle) and the way the girls are wearing sailor top + bloomers-like short shorts is also unique to me. And I'm partially right what I expected the show to be.

desrtsku

2012-05-29, 11:14

^ It's basically the "shutdown logo" you can find in any kind of OS or machine ... which leave us the question about what this one will be really about (>w>)

fertygo

2012-05-29, 19:26

Goddamn, those mini-pants, its another Strike Witches indeed >_>

Midonin

2012-05-29, 19:28

I see no reason why any of these names should fill me with dread, so I'll just say I'm looking forward to this. Anime-original series are worth a shot, at least.

zeniselv

2012-05-29, 19:35

well in the end i enjoyed GC not great though and probably the only reason i wil remember it in a couple years would be because i love the first OP, and i dont think they will piss people again saying theyre making the next evangelion, what worries me is that this turns into yet another K-on clone, ala sora oto.

Tyabann

2012-05-29, 19:39

SnW wasn't a K-On clone though, unless you meant visually.

einhorn303

2012-05-29, 19:50

SnW wasn't a K-On clone though, unless you meant visually.

Generally, modern anime fans can only distinguish things by visuals and tropes, and have lost the ability to think critically about the actual content or meaning of shows.

I am looking forward to this show immensely. Not only does it have the director of my 2nd favorite anime (Strike Witches) and the writer of my 1st favorite anime (Sound of the Sky), but the plot points:

- The theme is "friendship"
- The heroine is a 14-year-old girl
- The genre is "girl science-fiction action"
- It is a peaceful world where science has solved all problems
- The story is set on an island teeming with natural surroundings, and an artificial island built by science
- The heroine's family live an impoverished life in various ways
- The anime cutely depicts girls who strive to do their best

...are basically everything I love in anime. I predict this will be my favorite anime of 2013.

totoum

2012-05-29, 19:56

SnW wasn't a K-On clone though, unless you meant visually.

Yeah Sora no Woto was a mixed bag for me,there were things I liked and things I didn't but it's not a k-on clone.

Yoshino anime originals (including Sora no Woto) have always had settings and concepts that intrigue me but in the end I'm always left with the impression of wasted potential.
Here's hoping that it'll change with this anime.

zeniselv

2012-05-29, 21:51

im not saying visually, it had that focus on a girls slice of life without any romance or comedy, and some plot way there in the background, but well to be honest i dropped sora oto at episode 3.

Midonin

2012-05-29, 21:54

it had that focus on a girls slice of life without any romance or comedy, and some plot way there in the background, .
Besides having a bit of romance and comedy, that's a very broad description that could cover a lot of things. Even then, the environment and tone were very different between the two shows. I would only compare them in the most superficial of senses.

winhlp32

2012-05-29, 22:02

It seems like every season theres a thread or two where people express their fears that a show would "turn into k-on". Why? Because anime turns.

totoum

2012-05-29, 22:04

but well to be honest i dropped sora oto at episode 3.

In no way does the first 3 episodes represent the whole show,it has a plot and drama that come later.

Midonin

2012-05-29, 22:05

If more shows could turn into K-ON! in the sense of being driven by the strength of their characters (I believe characters are more important than story, though the best series utilize both), then that's hardly the worst thing one could turn into.

zeniselv

2012-05-29, 22:30

In no way does the first 3 episodes represent the whole show,it has a plot and drama that come later.
well thats true, but in those 3 episodes nothing interested me so i dropped it.

If more shows could turn into K-ON! in the sense of being driven by the strength of their characters (I believe characters are more important than story, though the best series utilize both), then that's hardly the worst thing one could turn into.
i can´t ague that you prefer characters over story,thats your taste, but its the opposite for me, so i hope it doesnt.

desrtsku

2012-05-30, 00:57

In no way does the first 3 episodes represent the whole show,it has a plot and drama that come later.

Well, you can't really blame anyone in that case, the rules says anyone is free to drop anything if they aren't satisfied after the 3rd episode

Cosmic Eagle

2012-05-30, 02:56

Generally, modern anime fans can only distinguish things by visuals and tropes, and have lost the ability to think critically about the actual content or meaning of shows.

I am looking forward to this show immensely. Not only does it have the director of my 2nd favorite anime (Strike Witches) and the writer of my 1st favorite anime (Sound of the Sky), but the plot points:

- The theme is "friendship"
- The heroine is a 14-year-old girl
- The genre is "girl science-fiction action"
- It is a peaceful world where science has solved all problems
- The story is set on an island teeming with natural surroundings, and an artificial island built by science
- The heroine's family live an impoverished life in various ways
- The anime cutely depicts girls who strive to do their best

...are basically everything I love in anime. I predict this will be my favorite anime of 2013.

IF they're not trolling everyone... I could see it being like Symphogear IE some good clean fun.

Too bad no release on the story yet...

zeniselv

2012-05-30, 03:07

symphogear i did enjoy, nothing great but entretaining, anyways i have a question, does those credited staff members have the same reputation in japan? i mean, its clearly lots of us feel trolled with all that mystery ending with this staff.

totoum

2012-05-30, 08:08

well thats true, but in those 3 episodes nothing interested me so i dropped it.

Well, you can't really blame anyone in that case, the rules says anyone is free to drop anything if they aren't satisfied after the 3rd episode

Just to be clear I'm not trying to put someone on trial for dropping a show :heh:

Just saying that there's reasons in later episodes that make the K-ON comparison dubious at best.

As for the show I'm not sure what to expect yet,just that I think it'll have an interesting setting and A-1 will hire talented animators and give us some nice looking action scenes.

desrtsku

2012-05-30, 09:58

Just to be clear I'm not trying to put someone on trial for dropping a show :heh:

Just saying that there's reasons in later episodes that make the K-ON comparison dubious at best.

I see, my bad, I was lost in the conversation :heh:

Mura

2012-05-31, 14:54

A 30 sec CM.

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Tyabann

2012-05-31, 17:31

Putting a bunch of big names together worked for Madoka, but not for Guilty Crown. This is just another one of Aniplex's bare attempts to create an instant-hit, really.

zeniselv

2012-05-31, 18:27

at this point my other concern is that A-1 has many projects at the same time, and this has proven a failure to other studios such as bones.

fertygo

2012-05-31, 18:35

That's not a problem, A-1 is big studio with almost unlimited power due to their aniplex connection, they always using talented freelance for their project, so its not like they horse riding same staff for all of like work.

Its like thousand times I'm saying this about A-1

zeniselv

2012-05-31, 22:13

totoum

2012-05-31, 22:21

also you shouldn´t forget this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vi-GRL7qPs)

From what I remember that was a deliberate artistic choice

fertygo

2012-05-31, 22:34

natsuiro kiseki having aniplex and sunrise in it didnt help it that much, also you shouldn´t forget this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vi-GRL7qPs), even if i do agree aniplex is the best production company for many years now.

that's "bad"?

the animation is really great on that cut, sometime animator just given freedom to make off-model animation for more animation fluidity. the FMA: Milos movie is perfect example of this.. most people do not know the "uglier" chara design makes equivalent exchange for more animation.

And I know big time animator that working for that birdy cut, maybe totoum can give you the name? I don't watch 2nd season of birdy.

totoum

2012-05-31, 22:45

And I know big time freelance animator that working for that birdy cut, maybe totoum can give you the name? I don't watch 2nd season of birdy.

I havn't watched it but I think I remember seeing that scene in a Ryo-timo (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=100857) MAD but I'm far from being sure.

zeniselv

2012-05-31, 23:10

i didnt call it bad, but i wouldnt call it good, the best description would be unfinished, since they even apologized and fixed it in the dvds/bds, but its kinda my point, that multitasking can drop the quality of the product, and assuming this comes this fall that would be 5 series from a-1.

fertygo

2012-05-31, 23:14

A-1 already doing this since 2-3 years ago though, they're just money machine for aniplex.

totoum

2012-05-31, 23:21

zeniselv

2012-06-01, 00:22

i know they have the resources, but problems usually happen is with overwork with the logistic, anyways my concern its just based on what happened to other studios so is pretty much unfounfed, and i really hope youre right, wich i think is likely but not certain.

Westlo

2012-06-02, 13:11

You guys kind of set yourselves up for this, no offense. :heh:

I still have faith!!!

lol :(

Kaioshin Sama

2012-06-02, 13:28

lol Yoshino again. It really is happening! :twitch:

Swear we're nearing the end of a bubble here....

MisaoFan

2012-06-02, 13:32

lol Yoshino again. It really is happening! :twitch:

Swear we're nearing the end of a bubble here....

Then let's make a discussion focusing on him, just like we had discussions on Urobutcher and Okada.

TJR

2012-06-02, 13:50

at this point my other concern is that A-1 has many projects at the same time, and this has proven a failure to other studios such as bones.

Where Tokyo-based freelancers are concerned, the activities of other studios have just as much impact on scheduling. If Aniplex and A-1 are on top of their game (and have the clout to tie up the best talent across most of their shows), it's actually the competition that might encounter the most difficulty. Nevertheless, they aren't immune to schedule failures.

That's what makes anime production so chaotic. What happens on one project can have an indirect impact on another company's work.

DonQuigleone

2012-06-02, 19:01

If all the talent is getting monopolized by one studio, the upside is that it creates a good circumstance to attract new talent to the industry.

MisaoFan

2012-06-09, 03:14

Interview (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/492/492887/) revealed by the series' producer and his decision the fact why he created the anime (can't fully translate it, sorry)

desrtsku

2012-06-09, 05:47

I don't really understand either but it seems like they're really confident of Takamura-san's work. And think that pairing him with Yoshino is a sup- ... oh wait, is there anyone here who can translate this?

MisaoFan

2012-07-05, 13:59

More informations revealed (http://seventhstyle.com/2012/07/05/operation-vivid-red-has-sexy-red-mizugis/)

desrtsku

2012-07-06, 02:45

Dat swimsuit!!

I'm glad the thread is still barely alive

VampirePaladin

2012-07-06, 20:17

I like her school uniform. Would like to see better pics of it. The swimsuit is cute, but not sure how I feel about it.

winhlp32

2012-07-27, 07:13

Futaba Aoi:

Rich Oujosama
Weak constitution

http://i.imgur.com/FMVmbl.jpg (http://imgur.com/FMVmb)

desrtsku

2012-07-28, 03:13

Futaba Aoi? That name sounds so familiar, where did I heard that already?

Weak constitution : can already guess the setting
Ojou-sama and poor girl on the same team : oh yeah, originality everywhere -_-

NB : she's cute

Shadow5YA

2012-07-28, 03:26

I was wondering why these girls weren't wearing pants or skirts, but then I saw the words "Strike Witches design" in the PV and thought "Ah, I see..."

LoweGear

2012-07-28, 03:40

Futaba Aoi? That name sounds so familiar, where did I heard that already?

The first character to come to mind was Futaba Aoi from You're Under Arrest. Aka the trap :uhoh:

I was wondering why these girls weren't wearing pants or skirts, but then I saw the words "Strike Witches design" in the PV and thought "Ah, I see..."

They technically are wearing pants, just extremely short ones. Basically hot pants :heh:

MisaoFan

2012-07-28, 07:38

The first character to come to mind was Futaba Aoi from You're Under Arrest. Aka the trap :uhoh:

She's also a flat-chested spy from Cat Planet Cuties. And it looks like the show will takes place in Ooshima, a island that serves as a "bridge" between Honshu and Shikoku.

desrtsku

2012-07-28, 11:21

The first character to come to mind was Futaba Aoi from You're Under Arrest. Aka the trap :uhoh:
Oh, yeah that one!
She's also a flat-chested spy from Cat Planet Cuties.
So basically every characters with that name have AAA cup size ... huh. But that one seems to be quite well endowed though.

Pocari_Sweat

2012-08-10, 13:56

I just saw Yoshino as the series composer... and this is an anime original. Lmao.

I'm not touching this unless the consensus is that it's still decent by the one third mark. I'm not going through another Code Geass R2, Fractal or Guilty Crown.

fertygo

2012-08-10, 14:44

I thought Fractale was Okada's masterpiece?

Btw its not like they need much story for T&A Strike Witches style anime anyway.

MisaoFan

2012-08-10, 15:01

I hope the show will be a decent watch unlike Guilty Crown and the other bad animes Yoshino writes even though a mild amount of T&A is still here.

Arabesque

2012-08-10, 15:12

The first character to come to mind was Futaba Aoi from You're Under Arrest. Aka the trap :uhoh:Normally I would chalk it up to being a coincidence, but somehow I can't help but think this is actually the staff setting up for a ''the rich Oujosama with a weak body was actually a rich Ojisama who liked to go under the knife a lot'' ...

（￣□￣；）
They technically are wearing pants, just extremely short ones. Basically hot pants :heh:Mind you, with them being this ... ''short'', they might as well be walking around with panties.

Which makes me wonder, did they opt to have them be in ''pants'' because they were too worried it would be too close to Strike Witches in design, or was it simply because they wanted to add a measure of uniformity in the cast (they couldn't have all the girls running around wearing the same type of underwear, so they had them all wear just really skimpy uniforms)?

God, just typing that made me feel dirty ...

Anyway, any news/rumors about the rest of the staff? In particular, who is handling the music for the show?

desrtsku

2012-08-10, 16:09

I thought Fractale was Okada's masterpiece?
HUH?! Who said that?! I was expecting this kind of remark for at least R2 ...

I hope the show will be a decent watch unlike Guilty Crown and the other bad animes Yoshino writes even though a mild amount of T&A is still here.
I really like how people these days appreciate anime for the contents and not for the top notch visuals anymore :heh:
Oh yeah, if this guy screws up again I might as well end up killing myself ...

totoum

2012-08-10, 16:31

I thought Fractale was Okada's masterpiece?

Yoshino worked on a couple episodes but yeah Okada was the main writer

Director Takamura is listed as a writer alongside Yoshino.

Cloudy

2012-08-11, 01:59

Seems like the hype for this is low compared to other upcoming anime in October, eh?

Pocari_Sweat

2012-08-11, 02:04

Seems like the hype for this is low compared to other upcoming anime in October, eh?

Was high... before Yoshino was announced as the writer, then hype died. :)

totoum

2012-08-11, 02:23

Seems like the hype for this is low compared to other upcoming anime in October, eh?

It's not airing in october though,it'll air later,there'll probably be more hype when we get a trailer.

fertygo

2012-08-11, 03:08

Need more pic/vid of mecha musume showing their crotch for more hype.

Cloudy

2012-08-11, 04:02

Was high... before Yoshino was announced as the writer, then hype died. :)

But I wonder how the Japanese felt about this animu.

winhlp32

2012-08-28, 05:17

Confirmed for TV anime January 2013.

http://i.imgur.com/RXgjwl.jpg (http://imgur.com/RXgjw)

desrtsku

2012-08-28, 06:16

oh, dammit, A1 is going to fit everything for the fall-Winter season ...

Nachtwandler

2012-08-28, 12:37

A1 are J.C. Stuff #2 now with so much animes every season. But they could make it unlike Shaft

dark998

2012-08-29, 03:29

Pocari_Sweat

2012-08-29, 04:44

Yoshino's new project? Picked up. Guilty Crown was fantastic all the way through (sans the ending) so expectations are set high for Vivid Red Operation. That and the design of the redhead is very appealing for some reason.

I admire and praise your courage to openly say that considering how Guilty Crown is one of the most "hated" shows in recent times. Hopefully you won't get a mob of angry people correcting you. :heh:

Dr. Casey

2012-08-29, 04:49

I praise your courage to openly say that considering how Guilty Crown is one of the most "hated" shows in recent times. Hopefully you won't get a mob of angry people correcting you. :heh:

I, an ardent lover of School Days, Myself;Yourself, and 11eyes, will help to fight that mob away. :cool:

Interestingly, the official website's main image makes Red's moe little friend appear to be a lot more antagonistic. Blue has the strikings of a main villain at the main website.

zeniselv

2012-08-29, 04:56

I think the only problem with guilty crown was the overhype the people involved in it created for it, they pretty much thougth that was gonna be the likes evangelion, coboy bebop,gurren laggan, etc.
Sure the writing was poor and cheesy, and the main character was very bad, but its at the very least passable, if anything for the eyecandy, and hey this could easily be a service anime, and most of those dont really benefit much from good writing.

winhlp32

2012-08-29, 05:19

Interestingly, the official website's main image makes Red's moe little friend appear to be a lot more antagonistic. Blue has the strikings of a main villain at the main website.

I think that's a completely different character to the red's friend. The one on the main website should be this girl:

She and Red's friend look alike, but this girl is the one with the scarf, while Red's friend doesn't.
http://i.imgur.com/2RJw1l.jpg (http://imgur.com/2RJw1)

Oh, and here are some other characters:

http://i.imgur.com/EYXSWl.jpg (http://imgur.com/EYXSW)
http://i.imgur.com/4hSFnl.jpg (http://imgur.com/4hSFn)
http://i.imgur.com/0EfuTl.jpg (http://imgur.com/0EfuT)
http://i.imgur.com/KoUFrl.jpg (http://imgur.com/KoUFr)

desrtsku

2012-08-29, 10:39

^ "Ok, I'll watch it! And I won't drop it even it turns out to be an unoriginal and generic <insert something here> ... I'll still keep up on watching it if it's sweet for the eye (and for the Johnny)" ... is something I'd like to say really bad, but I think I'll hold back this time and pray the heavens the actual contents of the series is just as impressive as this. Damn ... it's so cute, I think my nose is bleeding.

Chiaki_chan

2012-08-29, 22:55

I hope it will be as strick witches ... shojo-ai
:heh:

zeniselv

2012-08-30, 03:24

giving that the roster so far its almost full of girls, at the very least its gonna lead to yuri shipping.

Chiaki_chan

2012-08-30, 04:28

I hope and I hope that the story of the anime will be well

:heh:

Ravenblitz

2012-09-03, 18:15

http://i.imgur.com/X51u5l.jpg (http://imgur.com/X51u5)

desrtsku

2012-09-04, 02:06

It's really short

ivari

2012-09-17, 08:14

Isshiki Akane / Red1 = Ayane Sakura
Futaba Aoi / Blue2 = Mai Aizawa (not sure)
Saegusa Wakaba / Green3 = Yuka Ootsubo

Midonin

2012-09-17, 08:47

Those titles make them sound like they're members of Bioman.

desrtsku

2012-09-17, 08:53

more like super sentai ...

totoum

2012-09-17, 08:54

http://i48.tinypic.com/21eafs6.jpg

Isshiki Akane / Red1 = Ayane Sakura
Futaba Aoi / Blue2 = Mai Aizawa (not sure)
Saegusa Wakaba / Green3 = Yuka Ootsubo

How sure are you for the others?

From what I understand the website (http://www.vividred.net/special/index.html) has got recordings of the seiyuus uploaded so that we try and guess who they are.

There's also some high res scans uploaded

Midonin

2012-09-17, 09:06

more like super sentai ...
Bioman is a Super Sentai. One that used that exact naming scheme (though Blue and Green were reversed).

desrtsku

2012-09-17, 09:06

^ I see, my bad

Just a sidenote, I expected something like Saegusa Midori, that goes better with the others

Fiemma

2012-09-17, 10:27

http://i48.tinypic.com/21eafs6.jpg

How sure are you for the others?

From what I understand the website (http://www.vividred.net/special/index.html) has got recordings of the seiyuus uploaded so that we try and guess who they are.

There's also some high res scans uploaded

Madoka and Homura mixed Strike Witches LOL

ivari

2012-09-18, 08:52

http://i48.tinypic.com/21eafs6.jpg

How sure are you for the others?

Ayane Sakura and Yuka Ootsubo each has a very distinctive voice, so I am 99% confident with my ears on that.

Also the fourth—Unknown, Yellow4—maybe Emiri Katou (Kagamin)

MisaoFan

2012-09-25, 12:10

Looks like they released a rather indecent part (http://twitpic.com/ay7ggg) of an upcoming key visual, yet they still haven't released more detailed infos behind the premise ? It started to feel like K because of the storyline being a mystery to fans.

Shadow5YA

2012-09-25, 12:34

Kaioshin Sama

2012-09-25, 15:32

So is this another one of those Romantic Yuri Comedies disguised as a sci-fi show. I mean looking at the characters and their descriptions (and not to mention what they are(n't) wearing) it looks completely like that setup. Poor girl meets Rich girl and at first they don't like each other cause they come from different backgrounds, but knowing how these things work and with Hiroyuki Yoshino at the helm I'd almost expect them to be making out by episode 5 and/or trying to murder each other the episode after for whatever reason. :heh:

Miraluka

2012-09-25, 16:51

CrowKenobi

2012-09-25, 21:32

Btw, can anyone post that key visualn MisaoFan is talking about here?
I can't see it =/
http://i.imgur.com/nPhbgs.jpg (http://imgur.com/nPhbg)

Plus text related to the image:今週土曜（29日）発売・G’sマガジン掲載の描きおろしイラストの色付きをちょっとだけ公開！色が塗られて更に素晴らしくなりました！スタッフの愛が注がれております！！ #vividred

:D

AdamEndless9

2012-09-27, 04:47

Pocari_Sweat

2012-09-27, 04:53

OceanBlue

2012-09-27, 05:09

Wow, I had to look up all of the VAs. I don't recognize a single one.

MisaoFan

2012-09-27, 05:12

Ayane Sakura - Isshiki Akane
Rie Murakawa - Futaba Aoi
Yuka Ōtsubo - Saegusa Wakaba
Aya Uchida - Himawari Shinomiya
http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/otaku_blog/imgs/c/f/cf7ce68b.jpg
http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/otaku_blog/imgs/8/f/8fcedbd9.jpg
http://www.vividred.net/special/index.html updated.

Wow, the cast is almost filled with rookies. Looks like Himawari appears to be a emotionally scarred shut-in despite her generously nice appearance, and something darker will most likely appear in Akane's island (aliens are the likely threat for our poor 6 main heroines).

Archon_Wing

2012-10-01, 03:27

http://i.imgur.com/nPhbgs.jpg (http://imgur.com/nPhbg)

Plus text related to the image:

:D

I will not be fooled by a single ass! ;) Gotta be more at least.

Kaioshin Sama

2012-10-01, 10:22

Why do they all seem to have a key art that's just them standing in naked profile? :twitch:

MisaoFan

2012-10-01, 12:01

Why do they all seem to have a key art that's just them standing in naked profile? :twitch:

I bet the show will offer plenty of fanservice, so I can understand that, given the director wanting to make another Strike Witches.

Sumeragi

2012-10-01, 12:44

Why do they all seem to have a key art that's just them standing in naked profile? :twitch:

Well, frankly, I do mentally look at a character without clothes to see what kind of body that character would have. It helps with keeping the body figures from deforming too much in different scenes.

Kaioshin Sama

2012-10-01, 15:31

Well, frankly, I do mentally look at a character without clothes to see what kind of body that character would have. It helps with keeping the body figures from deforming too much in different scenes.

lol it's anime though, there really is only one body type for females for the most part. Thin torso, long legs, round face, big eyes and not a skin blemish or gram of fat anywhere in sight other than in the chest. Adjust bust size, composition of hair (color, length style) and overall art style as necessary, but generally that rule is gonna hold. :heh:

Sumeragi

2012-10-01, 17:30

And sensitive people can actually pick up on that. That's how I'm able to somewhat accurately measure three sizes if I get a baseline and see whether the art matches up to accuracy. Heck, I once calculated the height and three-sizes of the characters in Haruhi before the official height chart came around.

Kismet-chan

2012-10-03, 13:06

The key visual is EXACTLY what you guys thought it was.

http://i.imgur.com/RSXrLl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/RSXrL.jpg)

Archon_Wing

2012-10-03, 14:50

The only thing I can gather from the show is that there will be asses. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but the designs are a bit too young looking for me. I guess I shouldn't be expecting anything else atm.

Mura

2012-10-03, 14:53

The key visual is EXACTLY what you guys thought it was.

http://i.imgur.com/RSXrLl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/RSXrL.jpg)

I'm a breast man but this series might make me an ass man.:D