Aquarion EVOL - Episode 23 Discussion / Poll

[jinshiroi]

yep, let us see where this leads too indeed. Oh and by defend, i mean rationalize it to the point that they go "hey this is brilliant, everyone come see. this is perfect because of this, this, and this." Still, its their opinion, cant really say anything to change that.

[C.A.]

It definitely is bad writing to turn Apollo into Pollon.

What has happened here is like J. K. Rowling coming up with a new sequel of Harry Potter and then proceed to tell us that 'Harry Potter' is actually not the son of James and Lily Potter and the real baby Harry Potter already died when Voldermort attacked them. And the 'Harry Potter' that was enrolled in Hogwarts is actually the neighbour's child who Voldermort turned into a Hocrux for no reason.

Or Lucas coming up with Star Wars episode 7 telling us that actually Darth Vader is not Anakin Skywalker, who already died in the duel against Obi Wan on Mustafar. And Darth Vader is actually a cyborg clone of Anakin created by Palpatine.

[jinshiroi]

Or Lucas coming up with Star Wars episode 7 telling us that actually Darth Vader is not Anakin Skywalker, who already died in the duel against Obi Wan on Mustafar. And Darth Vader is actually a cyborg clone of Anakin created by Palpatine.

I'd Watch that. That sounds entertaining.

[Zuul]

*whistles* I'm impressed yet again. So Kawamori had the nerve to put Pollon on screen with Apollonius in ep 25 while Toma talked about how Apollonius was reborn into a new form. I can't help but like such audacious trolling. I was already persuaded based on the other evidence that Apollo not being Apollonius + Apollo being Pollon was either planned all along or deliberately left open as a possibility (because there were far too many things to be coincidences), but at this point, I'm more inclined to believe it was planned all along. It's as if ep 25, for example, is saying to us that "Hahaha, you never would have paid attention to this picture before, but it is here, and Toma is being trolled too".

I found the troll absolutely brilliant. I did add it to the list of positive things about aquarion evol.
I have also a list of negative things about aquarion evol, starting with the Amata/Kagura merge (if it were to happen), the bad taste the main characters relationship leaves in my mouth (unless it's intentional), the messed up theme (I wonder how they are going to make the 'fuck fate' thing work, when the only one apparently not involves in thr destiny deal and wanting to go against it for real is suffering, dragging through mud and losing).

[C.A.]

Its hard to come up with worse writing than Episode 1, 2 and 3, or turning your main characters into reincarnation of pets.

[jinshiroi]

Its hard to come up with worse writing than Episode 1, 2 and 3, or turning your main characters into reincarnation of pets.

Ever read my immortal?

[kuromitsu]

So I find the plot twist fun. For people who cared a lot about the reincarnation romances being Apollonius/Celiane and think that them being changed makes a mockery of the series, yes, I can certainly see why they would be really upset.
FWIW I never cared about the romance angle in Genesis (well, except for poor Pierre, I suppose). What I object is them trying to push something this crappy down my throat, and people who hadn't even thought of this before Evol suddenly going "it's so obvious, it's been all foreshadowed, how can you not see the genius behind it"...

[mayumi]

The only thing funny a bout this revelation is that Sirius half knew better than Silvia's half-soul or Touma's soul. I guess he can have the last laugh. That's probably why the poor doesn't even get mentioned in EVOL cause he knew the troll all along and never acknowledged Apollo as Apollonius.

[Guido]

We're just that close towards the third chapter's conclusion to the Aquarion's Legend saga, and I'm very surprised with both the developments and revelations this episode had to offer.

If we take a look back to the first Aquarion series it could most of everything make sense, provided if the Legend from the second chapter told by both Crea and Fudo followed the storyline from the first TV series or the OVA.


I guess it's no longer inconceivable or farfetch'd; in fact, I bet that a few amongst you who were already members of this forums back to seven years ago and watched the first Aquarion, postulated the theory that Apollo might have been the reincarnation of Apollonius' winged mutt, and not Apollonius as it was the mainstream fan theory.

I do recall that there was one who posted that the wheelbound chair, girl from the first Aquarion was the reincarnation of Pollon.

Well, it now makes sense, at least to me, given Apollos' mannerisms, but I believe back then it could have been easily shrugged off because that was the way Apollo was raised and grew-up.
However, I think it was in this series the 13th or 14th episode when Mikage sent Kagura to Vega and addressed the latter as the beast of love, and Kagura enveloped himself within a shadow aura in the form of a beast; wolf or dog.

Given those extraordinary events, I believe that Amata's half, Kagura, may be wrong about fate being preordered from the start, because Pollon made its wish 24,000 years ago to have a chance to fell in love with Celiane if they happened to reincarnate, and they did as Apollo and Silvia 12,000 years later; fact that it was supposed that Celiane would have continued to be in love with Apollonius after she reincarnated as Sylvie had fate been preordained.

Although Amata shouldn't be that worried about losing Mikono to Kagura because are two halves of the same individual reincarnated from Apollo whom he was reincarnated from Pollon, Amata doesn't want to lose literally to the darkness within himself.
Likely, Kagura got Pollon's shadow, while Amata inherited Pollons' wings of light, adding both parts together: Amata as a whole inherited Pollon's shadow, but at the same time inherited as well the light of the wish it made to make it possible to fell in love with Celiane once reincarnationg 24,000 years ago.


Now, Mikage....

I did remember back in the third episode that Mikage could be Toma's reincarnation, which was a theory easily shrugged off because Toma was a Shadow Angel both immortal and ageless, therefore, having no need to reincarnate himself.

This episode proved me right to a certain extent about that theory. Likely, Mikage reincarnated from Toma not in the conventional way, as humans in this series do.
I believe Toma learning from the second betrayal that Apollo wasn't his dear Apollonius but Pollon felt deceived, pushing his hatred and wrath beyond the bounds of the universe, metaphorically speaking.
If Toma once still believed in the love he held for Apollonius shown in the first Aquarions series, the second betrayal left with an empty heartbreak of despair.
Probably, that despair caused Toma to seek a twisted form of love within the shadow thus changing him into Mikage.

I believe Mikage's twisted shadow love is an expression of his insanity for Apollonius and desperately tries to erase all the things that made him felt lonely, sorrowful, and pained.
Of course, he immediately took revenge on Apollo which resulted in the split of souls between Amata and Kagura 12,000 years later.
And, he's likely the reason behind the curse that either killed or turned Altair females into males due to his eternal hatred of Celiane.

Now, the fate of both worlds as in the story of the star-crossed lovers from Japanese mythology, Orihime and Hikoboshi, couldn't become more true in the forms of the split Earth into Altair and Vega giving credence to another revelation that the Altareans from another dimension were and are, after all, the same Earthling humans like the rest of all of Vega's population.

[Nvenya]

Seems I'm a little late to this party. This twist really disturbs me.

Why, in Episode 2 from the original, does Rena see Apollo turn into Apollonius after she bites him.

Was Pollon purposely deceiving everyone by acting like Apollonius? This was also in Episode 2 when Apollo starts yelling at Silvia. Calling her Celiane and telling her that her fight was pathetic. Does she have no pride as a warrior, etc. She even calls him Apollonius.

I suppose all the other changes that happen to Apollo could be chalked up to Aquarion taking him over, but it seems cheap.

Feels like the main characters of the series went from heroes to mascots.

[Destined_Fate]

Simple. The Pollon thing "was" considered in Genesis but was dropped off and it ended with the Apollonius is Apollo angle. That was how the series ended and how they wanted it to be considering all the "hints" they threw in(Far more than the Pollon ones). However, when they went to work with EVOL they kinda had no reason to bring Touma back... Or have any real conflict that connected Genesis and EVOL. So they went back to the dropped Pollon plot and used that for their whole "Destiny" thing and give a reason for Touma to return as a villian. Since all things considered if they went with the Apollonius angle, which they did go with before they decided 7 years later to release a sequel, than Touma would have felt no need to return to troll and would have happily left Apollonius to reincarnate and be happy with Celiane.

It would have been much better if they just focused on the conflict between Vega and Altair and actually stuck with the Apollonius/Celiane deal. Instead we got this. This is what happens when you purposely force your work in a direction different from the original premise to try and give this new story more "depth" or force unneeded themes into the fray that have only served to confuse and anger viewers of both EVOL and Genesis.

You can tell it wasn't their intent for Genesis considering the shoddy job they did implementing it into EVOL, than forgetting about it in the very next episode(So what was the point of screwing Genesis fans over again?), and that they didn't understand any of the ramifications(One-Sided Beastality love prevailing because of a lie) of this change and its long reaching effects(Stealing Apollonius' side of the promise, tricking Celiane into thinking she was getting with her destined Apollonius and not a dog that hyjacked her promise with Apollonius). Or that they've forgotten the far more numrous Apollo = Apollonius scenes than any Pollon scene and how they conveniently dropped Sirius(They pretty much retconned hs role out and made Mikono and Silvia out to be the full Celiane deal) from the plot altogether in EVOL.

[shizora]

Thanks for the summary.

hello that couple of the guy and girl, is that an anime? if so can I have the name. t
hank you.