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tsuki_desu
2003-11-17, 19:56
Who reads the mangas from that publisher?Tokyopop (http://www.tokyopop.com)
I do. Are you looking for opinions on one of their titles or something similiar?
tsuki_desu
2003-11-17, 20:05
Na, just wondering. I read them but on some forums people have something against it. But I will take suggestions! Always looking for new stories to read!
Hmm. Wasn't there a Suggestion thread for the Manga forum before the Great Reset happened? If so, I guess it hadn't been resurrected yet.
This would work in a pinch. So which title(s) have you read and liked? I can just give you a list of TokyoPop's titles that I had enjoyed, but ...
tsuki_desu
2003-11-17, 20:18
I like clamp's work! I own chobits and Angelic Layer by them. Then I have Fushigi Yuugi by Yuu Watase. If any of Tanemura Arina's work gets translated I'm definetly gonna buy it! Like fullmoon wo sagashite and Kamikaze kaitou jeanne. They're the best stories I've ever read!(japanese; can read little but it's not too clear lol!)
I recommend GTO.
And regarding TokyoPop, they butcher Initial D, and their editors are... well, *not good*. Also they translated 'Ikkitousen' as 'Battle Vixen', and yeah, that makes me officially hate them. Not that I really love Ikkitousen, but by the principal of the thing.
tsuki_desu
2003-11-17, 20:20
What about viz comics? Do you think that they do a good job?
From TokyoPop, I'd go for "Wish", which is by CLAMP also. It's a four-book series about an angel's relationship with a human doctor; it's an early work. "X/1999", I hear, is good, but I've never read the books for myself.
Del Rey is also putting out CLAMP's "Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle" in early 2004. There's an associated title that is linked to this one, "XXXholic", but I hadn't picked up the book yet. Various CLAMP characters are in these.
"Marmalade Boy", also from TokyoPop, is very good also. The manga covers eight books with the anime coming out in April 2004. It's shoujo and heavy on the relationships. Something of a feel-good soap opera. The author of this title, Yoshizumi-san, wrote "Ultra Maniac" also, which isn't available in English manga [yet].
"Clover" is... IMHO, a little bit weird. I've only read the first book; the quality of the book is higher than the usual so cost-wise, it's higher. Think of the main character as the predecessor of Chii, but human/mutant instead of an android.
"Kare Kano" is the manga for "His and Her Circumstances". Also very good, and the anime is faithful to the manga. Book 6 should be out by now too. Quality of the art has gone down, I think, though.
"Wild Act" is like a homage to James Dean(?). Girl loves dead but really famous actor and falls in love with good-looking and talented guy who is mentioned in the same breath as her hero.
tsuki_desu
2003-11-17, 20:48
Wish is cute I've read the first one. Is there really 4 books? I thought there were 3... Well, I borrowed it from a friend and tomorrow I'm gonna borrow my other friend's book (x/1999). It looks good!
Not that I really love Ikkitousen, but by the principal of the thing.
Principle, dearest, it's the principle of the thing.
And with Tokyopop, I really like their Peach Girl, even though they used a really horrid font for it. Peach Girl is typical shoujo, but it's GOOD typical shoujo. And it's almost complete too!
Not really. Viz is notorious for publishing their manga flipped and translating all the sound effects to English. Plus the release schedual for most of the manga sucks (one voulme every 3 months? I CAN'T WAIT THAT LONG!). They have been better lately though, releasing all the new stuff unflipped (Ranma re-releases are still flipped though).
Despite all that, ADV is still the best publisher I've seen so far, and they only have 2 titles (Full Metal Panic! and Azumanga Diaoh). The manga is all unflipped, the sound effects are left alone (and they even have translations written in small print underneith them, something TP started to do in Love Hina, but quit by volume 8), and they even do the "last name first" bit correctly; a feat which I have not seen in any other manga.
Wish is cute I've read the first one. Is there really 4 books? I thought there were 3... Well, I borrowed it from a friend and tomorrow I'm gonna borrow my other friend's book (x/1999). It looks good!
There are four books in "Wish", but it's more like three and a bit. They placed authors' corner sections in at least three of the books that I can think of at the end. With little chibi CLAMP authors! :)
tsuki_desu
2003-11-17, 21:05
I read Fushigi Yuugi from Viz. It's the greatest! It's funny and cute! But I like tokyopop better cuz you can read it the way japanese do! It's cool.
Mr. Bushido
2003-11-17, 21:13
tokyopop is the best group... i dont know wat u guys are talking about. they're translation is good for their works. Real Bout Highschool, Samurai deeper kyo and love hina were almost perfect. btw they make a volume a month for their books, while Viz can take up to 3 freakin months. Go to the Love Hina thread and read it.
I recommend Love Hina, its probably the best manga for tokyopop.
tsuki_desu
2003-11-17, 21:20
Love hina is good but it gets annoying. I've read up to the 4th book.
"Kare Kano" is the manga for "His and Her Circumstances". Also very good, and the anime is faithful to the manga. Book 6 should be out by now too. Quality of the art has gone down, I think, though.
*Snoopy looks down at volume 15*
.... The art's great... granted, maybe 5 years ago when volume 5 was released it wasn't up to this standard... but they based the anime on the art of volumes 7 and 8, and all of the little sketchy looking pictures in the end of the anime are actual manga pages, and they look wonderful...
Also, from what I hear (I don't buy very many English mangas, so I can't speak from personal experience), KareKano is done very poorly, both in editing and translating. Some people I've talked to have sworn off all TP releases after reading volume 1 of KareKano. And these are people who generally read just about anything, so it hit me kinda hard. Anyway, this is my favorite shoujo manga of all time. I love it more than is natural for a man to love a manga written for 16 year old girls.
I love Kodomo no Omocha, which Tokyopop also translated. I didn't expect to like it much, but it's now one of my favorites.
Others from tokyopop that I like are, as mentioned by others, Love Hina and Marmalade Boy. And Gravitation of course!!!
They didn't exactly have to translate Shutterbox, but it's really good anyways.
I'm really excited that they picked up Pitaten and Fruits Bakset as well!
*Snoopy looks down at volume 15*
.... The art's great... granted, maybe 5 years ago when volume 5 was released it wasn't up to this standard... but they based the anime on the art of volumes 7 and 8, and all of the little sketchy looking pictures in the end of the anime are actual manga pages, and they look wonderful...
Also, from what I hear (I don't buy very many English mangas, so I can't speak from personal experience), KareKano is done very poorly, both in editing and translating. Some people I've talked to have sworn off all TP releases after reading volume 1 of KareKano. And these are people who generally read just about anything, so it hit me kinda hard. Anyway, this is my favorite shoujo manga of all time. I love it more than is natural for a man to love a manga written for 16 year old girls.
I wouldn't know - at least, not yet. :) I'm slowly adding to my Japanese manga collection now, but my English one comes first since it's much easier to read.
Book 15? Hasn't #16 been out for awhile now, though? I thought that I had seen it on the shelves for the past few months...
moose_and_squirrel
2003-11-17, 23:55
the last tokyopop manga i bought was initial d vol. 2... after that i boycotted them...
Love hina is good but it gets annoying. I've read up to the 4th book.
Oh tsuki, tsuki, FINALLY! FINALLY! Someone who agrees with me!!! It's not that Love Hina sucks, it's just that it got real old REAL fast. I, too, managed to make it to vol 4 before I gave up in boredom and something bordering on nausea. Oh, I thought I was all alone in the world! *weeps tears of relief*
moose_and_squirrel
2003-11-18, 00:10
Oh tsuki, tsuki, FINALLY! FINALLY! Someone who agrees with me!!! It's not that Love Hina sucks, it's just that it got real old REAL fast. I, too, managed to make it to vol 4 before I gave up in boredom and something bordering on nausea. Oh, I thought I was all alone in the world! *weeps tears of relief*
heh, i got to about volume 5... although i liked the anime...
I'm not all that fond of Tokyo Pop.. They really like to Americanize translations and the editing is usually very bad. I still buy from them anyways since English is the only language I know. =/ Viz and ADV are better companies in my opinion..
Mr. Bushido
2003-11-18, 01:27
Oh tsuki, tsuki, FINALLY! FINALLY! Someone who agrees with me!!! It's not that Love Hina sucks, it's just that it got real old REAL fast. I, too, managed to make it to vol 4 before I gave up in boredom and something bordering on nausea. Oh, I thought I was all alone in the world! *weeps tears of relief*
!?!?! WAT!! thou shalt be shot down!! really it gets better.
BUT we all have different opinions, if we didnt this would be such a boring world to live in.
I still think tokyopop is one of the best there. Maybe they americanize it a little, but most of them u can just read them in traditional japanese way and not change the translation too much.
i read krn... but i dont like to drive 18 miles to go to K-town and pick up a krn translated book especially since im a better english speaker.
Not really. Viz is notorious for publishing their manga flipped and translating all the sound effects to English. Plus the release schedual for most of the manga sucks (one voulme every 3 months? I CAN'T WAIT THAT LONG!). They have been better lately though, releasing all the new stuff unflipped (Ranma re-releases are still flipped though).
Despite all that, ADV is still the best publisher I've seen so far, and they only have 2 titles (Full Metal Panic! and Azumanga Diaoh). The manga is all unflipped, the sound effects are left alone (and they even have translations written in small print underneith them, something TP started to do in Love Hina, but quit by volume 8), and they even do the "last name first" bit correctly; a feat which I have not seen in any other manga.
I can see people's problems with the flipping, since I myself prefer unflipped (imagine the editor's chagrin when they couldn't flip one panel because the guy had a Buddhist symbol on it that would become a swastika if reversed ^^;), but I think translating the sound effects is something to look for, instead of something detrimental. Who's gonna know that 'za-zan' means waves splashing on shore? As for last name first, that's more a stylistic issue and I think as long as they stick with one convention it would be fine. As far as I know, Viz uses (or used to use) really high quality masters for their manga, as opposed to Tokyopop.
I still can't get over the fact that ADV made Yukari-sensei a Spanish teacher, but didn't do so consistently... (I can see where they are coming from with the Spanish teacher though, but if it's not consistent, that's just shoddy work)
Furthermore, I'm sure Tokyopop has "creative tendencies" about manga covers, but the "XXX" ads they stuck into Chobits was just in poor taste, and the logo they made for it wasn't the feeling that I imagined Chobits would be. The Kodansha bilinguals are more preferable in my opinion.
I can probably dig up some problems with Tokyopop's KKNJ translations, but you get the idea...
I wouldn't know - at least, not yet. :) I'm slowly adding to my Japanese manga collection now, but my English one comes first since it's much easier to read.
Book 15? Hasn't #16 been out for awhile now, though? I thought that I had seen it on the shelves for the past few months...
Yeah, 16's out, I just haven't gotten the chance to purchase it yet :sad:
tsuki_desu
2003-11-18, 17:09
lol! no you're not!
*aznplayboi*
2003-11-19, 21:32
Love hina is good but it gets annoying. I've read up to the 4th book.
Take my advice and finish it. Yes, it is kinda boring for the first few books but it gets hella better.
Not really. It just gets hella repetitive. Suu makes new mecha turtles, Naru falls a little bit more for Keitaru then beats him down, they find something new in the inn, they go and discuss everything in the bath and start groping each other, they kill Keitaru for listening to said groping. It's all terribly repetitive. If you don't believe me, count the number of times Keitaro walks in on Naru taking a bath then gets punched across the water, then come back and say that you were shallow enough to enjoy it every single time.
The last 3 or so volumes were less repetitive, I'll give it that, but that's only in relation to the beginning, not in relation to the rest of the manga you'll find at the store.
As always, snoopy, your brutal honesty is greatly appreciated.
although translations might be a bit crappy it does not make that much difference. u just ve to keep on readin and keep on lookin forward to ur next manga;). u ll always find mistakes at translations cuz u cant alway xpress the same thing in 2 languages. try to relax and read ur manga and give a **** about tokyopops translators. i think text is less then 30%of the manga.
although translations might be a bit crappy it does not make that much difference. u just ve to keep on readin and keep on lookin forward to ur next manga;). u ll always find mistakes at translations cuz u cant alway xpress the same thing in 2 languages. try to relax and read ur manga and give a **** about tokyopops translators. i think text is less then 30%of the manga.
Just to point out, there IS a difference between a "mistake" in translation and a "different interpretation" in translation. Translations can always be mistake free if done properly and yet still have problems with interpretation. The interpretation part comes from the fact that the two languages are different and the two cultures are different. For example, I wouldn't consider ADV's Azumanga Daioh's changing Yukari-sensei into a Spanish a translation mistake. However, from what I've heard, her inconsistency as a Spanish teacher is an editing mistake, sigh.
I only read Rebirth from tp; volume 1 was just really dark, but volume 2 looked like they were using magazine scans. x.X
maxthelostboy
2003-11-30, 16:35
I love tokyo pop. They release so many good mangas and soon they will release get backers! anyhow without them i doubt viz and adv manga(both relaly good) would be publishing their mangas at 9.99 when they used to be like 18.99 in north america
I'm going to assume the blatant mistranslations (I'm not refering to the interpretation things, I mean like blatant, 'this should not mean what it says' errors) are actually intentional on the part of the project supervisors for TokyoPop. There is no professional translator in the world capable of such stupidity and still getting hired, so I'm going to say that the translations they provide originally must be accurate, then those translations are gagged and raped, then force fed to the oblivious public, who in turn claims what they bought is correct. Why? Because they bought it. I love America.
And to elian85, manga relies 60+% on text. Without text, you'd never know what was going on. Have you ever read any of the gag releases some of the scanslators put out every once in a while with made up text changing the whole plot of the chapter? That proves beyond any doubt that the story is told by the narrative. And I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you read manga for the story... granted, the previous conversation was about Love Hina, so I could be wrong.
Not really. It just gets hella repetitive. Suu makes new mecha turtles, Naru falls a little bit more for Keitaru then beats him down, they find something new in the inn, they go and discuss everything in the bath and start groping each other, they kill Keitaru for listening to said groping. It's all terribly repetitive. If you don't believe me, count the number of times Keitaro walks in on Naru taking a bath then gets punched across the water, then come back and say that you were shallow enough to enjoy it every single time.
The last 3 or so volumes were less repetitive, I'll give it that, but that's only in relation to the beginning, not in relation to the rest of the manga you'll find at the store.
I couldn't agree more. The only reason I finished Love Hina is because I was extremely bored at work and had borrowed the series from a friend who kept telling me the story would get better as it went along. If I had to buy this manga rather than borrowing it I wouldn't have read past the first volume. I was unimpressed with the series overall.
Back to Tokyopop...I completely loved Mars, Marmalade Boy and Kodocha, although I am a little irritated that no bookstore in my area has Kodocha 10 yet. It was supposedly released November 11th! I'm also looking forward to Fruits Basket's release this spring.
I don't know any Japanese and am just now getting into manga so I haven't read any fansubs, so I can't attest to their translation accuracy. I can say I also like Viz and ADV's manga, but I am easy to please. The only problems I have is when sound effects aren't translated and I have no way of telling from the panel what the sound effect is meant to represent.
well. if i could read japanese i wouldn't rely on companies like all the above, instead i can't so i do read their stuff.
while i know i've seen some bad edits, i've also seen some good edits from the same companies, i guess it's got alot to do with what kind of masters the company gets and the ability of the chosen editors (for instance tokyopop has either some really good editors or really good masters for Samurai Deeper Kyo, but some horrible ones for Initial D)
if they need editors that much, even i might be able to get a job there....
well. if i could read japanese i wouldn't rely on companies like all the above, instead i can't so i do read their stuff.
while i know i've seen some bad edits, i've also seen some good edits from the same companies, i guess it's got alot to do with what kind of masters the company gets and the ability of the chosen editors (for instance tokyopop has either some really good editors or really good masters for Samurai Deeper Kyo, but some horrible ones for Initial D)
if they need editors that much, even i might be able to get a job there....
Well, you can also get the bilingual versions that Kodansha puts out in Japan. A bit pricey, but not terribly so.
You do realize that scanslation groups have better masters than have the stuff in Initial D, right? If it sucks so bad, then scan it again, damnit. That's how we work, and we aren't paid for it. Same goes for the shitty editing. I wouldn't let half of TokyoPop's editors into my little group unless they got their acts together, and that's pretty damn sad.
Then again, some of them are good, but you know, a chain is only as strong as its most god-awful link.
SirCanealot
2003-12-02, 11:49
Hmm I've been reading a lot of English bought manga now me and my freind is buying quite a bit of it. I can't really comment on the translations, not speaking Japanese or having seen scalations of most of the titles I'm reading. But editing is really killing me...
Tokyo Pop go somewhat up and down, I've never had a problem with their GTO (apart from the typos.........), Love Hina or some of their other stuff. But I hate the americanisation and bad editing in Ragnarok, Rebirth and some other stuff. Viz don't seem to americanise as much, but their editing is lackluster. I point out to myself dozzens of times every volumes ways they could have worded sentances better or used better words. All companys right now are also inconsistant with Japanese signs. Cant you people do it right? Leave them the damn way they are, and put a note under the box. Not randomly replace/ignore them.
Companys I have been impressed with have been ADV and Darkhorse. I've read through FMP! Vol1 and Berserk vol1 and I was impressed with their editing. Especially in FMP!, I think ADVs editors got Saguras speech almost perfect. Dark Horse also seem pretty good, I don't remember having much of a problem with Berserk Vol1.
I still can't say I'm terribly crushed over any of the companys(except Art of the Dopplerganger, that's just disgusting, I seriously would have been okay with "Shadow Clone Technique, but Viz just had to take the piss didn't they). They're providing cheepish manga (£6/7 for a volume really isn't bad for something in England), some of the companies cases at a decent speed, with decent quality. I still stress, that is a company does a duff job on a series, anime or manga, theres LITTLE chance of it ever getting a better job. Also, considering we are paying out of our pocket for Viz/etc to pay other people to translate this stuff they should be doing a better job.
And on Love Hina, I really like the manga. I used to like the anime, but after the manga it kills me. I can see why people do dislike it, but power to ya. I like it, so there :P
Okay...
First off, I prefer untrans manga in general as long as it has furigana (face it, no matter how good a translation job, something will always be lost to language.)
But, sometimes it can be easier to find the English versions, so I have several of those as well. Here's what I think of Tokyopop:
The good: Price is reasonable compared to other translation companies. Availability and selection are high. Sound effects are left untranslated (they make more sense that way to me/most who can read them.). Unflipped.
The bad: A few of their works have been censored (though increasingly fewer). The frequent typographical and printing errors are irritating (most commonly doubled words, or eyecatch pages from the wrong series, sometimes and more seriously missing chapters, Wild Act 1 is missing gloss on back cover). Some names are poorly romanized ( In Clover, "Suu" becoming "Sue", confusing to people who know basic Japanese pronunciation). Early works such as Magic Knight Rayearth (first-print) were downright clumsy.
The ugly: The company has recently started publishing American-made "manga", mostly based off U.S. childrens' shows and movies, which is rather demeaning to manga fans (and authors!). I hope that this trend does not continue.
Titles currently published that I'd recommend:
Paradise Kiss
Fake
Chobits
Marmalade Boy
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-06, 17:17
And I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you read manga for the story... granted, the previous conversation was about Love Hina, so I could be wrong.
just because u dont like a series doesnt mean u have to go on and tell ppl that they shouldnt like it either. You act like ure the almighty manga god and that if you dont like the series it must be stupid and crappy. Learn snoopy ppl are different, and NO one will listen to you if you think ure opinions are higher than others.
I personally liked Love Hina a lot the anime sucked, but the manga is well worth it. You can act like ure opinion and taste is the base for good anime, but love hina got the best USA release of 2002. Its also extremely popular.
everyone makes mistakes, and tokyopop did make a lot, but its a lot harder than you think. Do you speak japanese or any other foreign language fluently? Lot of the expressions, words, and "emotion" is extremely difficult to translate. I speak korean and i worked as an interpreter at church. Its hard to say certain things in english from korean, especially jokes. These ppl actually manage to do it with the story intact. so why dont you stop, and look at the GOOD points they have for a second instead of saying all the bad things like you tend to do in all of ur posts here. How the hell would u like it if everyone just said ur work is shitty all the time? Wat if you invented a invisible suit and all ppl are saying is "yea its kinda expensive, that sucks" or "i can do better" or "yea i can still notice u if i stare at you for a long time and listen to ur movements"
be more grateful, and if you dont like it, dont friggin buy it or read it. Thats all u have to do.
:eyebrow:
http://www.snoopycool.com <--- That's me.
And to me, my opinions ARE higher than everyone else's.
Rebochan
2003-12-07, 02:18
Tokyopoop titles are hit and miss. When they hit, they're good (Tokyopop pulls in some BIG licenses). When they miss, you get this urge to burn the graphic novel, no matter how darn cheap it was. Do your research before you buy one. The worst of their translations, hands down, goes to Sailor Moon. When it wasn't crappily Americanized, then the translations were so sloppy and inconsistant that a character's name would change in the middle of the book (and it would STILL be wrong!). Though Sailor Moon is very close to Initial D, and I probably only rank Sailor Moon higher due to my own bias. Initial D was completely crapped on. The sad part is that Initial D had an accurate first volume before they decided to Americanise the entire plotline. Miracle Girls is another crappy one - I'm not sure what's changed plot wise, but the most recent releases were even this year and they STILL changed the names of every single character to really stupid American names (Mikage and Tomomi are "Mika and Toni." Oh, and their boy toys are now "Chris and Jackson." BLEGH!).
What's sad is they are the only people bringing out popular shoujo titles and a good number of them are getting some of the sloppiest translations to boot.
I've heard Love Hina was censored. Anyone know a little more? I'm just getting into it myself and if it's been censored in any way, I'm not buying another one.
As far as sound effects are concerned, I actually hate having the Japanese effects in there with no translation provided. It gets really confusing to have gigantic sound effect phrases in a foreign langauge thrown at you unless you know what they stand for. Probably one of the best methods I've seen was in Comics One's Onegai Teacher release, where the sound effects were retained, but an English translation appeared right near them so they could be understood.
As far as sound effects are concerned, I actually hate having the Japanese effects in there with no translation provided. It gets really confusing to have gigantic sound effect phrases in a foreign langauge thrown at you unless you know what they stand for. Probably one of the best methods I've seen was in Comics One's Onegai Teacher release, where the sound effects were retained, but an English translation appeared right near them so they could be understood.
That sounds like a good method for them, since the US fanbase is so divided on the issue. However, I strongly recommend to any big fan of anime/manga to learn a bit of the language-it's a lot easier than most think(I've never even had a class) and can really improve your enjoyment of any series! (Plus untrans is far cheaper when it's available)
Rebochan
2003-12-07, 04:01
I've been working on Japanese myself, though that's another story. I know my hiragana and bits of katakana, but sadly, just because I know what the word says doesn't mean I know what it means:heh: I like the method of combining the best of both worlds so that the art is retained without losing comprehension.
I agree with you about manga prices. You guys think Tokyopop charging 9.99 for manga is cheap? Try 5.00 in Japan. Actually, it's usually cheaper than that! Though I believe they also use cheaper paper quality in a lot of them..
I've heard Love Hina was censored. Anyone know a little more? I'm just getting into it myself and if it's been censored in any way, I'm not buying another one.
I have no idea where you heard this from. I have a scanlation of the originals and all 14 volumes of the TP release. There is absolutly no censorship in the Tokyopop release, and it is even rated OT for ages 16+ to cover their butts for such a thing.
I've been working on Japanese myself, though that's another story. I know my hiragana and bits of katakana, but sadly, just because I know what the word says doesn't mean I know what it means:heh: I like the method of combining the best of both worlds so that the art is retained without losing comprehension.
I agree with you about manga prices. You guys think Tokyopop charging 9.99 for manga is cheap? Try 5.00 in Japan. Actually, it's usually cheaper than that! Though I believe they also use cheaper paper quality in a lot of them..
It's 6 euro for the french versions here and those are imported so 9,99dollar is absolutely not cheap. XD
The printing and paper quality in Japan for tankouban releases is equal to that of translated mangas. At least it is for the english ones that I've purchased, while some of the japanese ones are actually superior (I have yet to buy an English manga with color pages or a special foldout art page, for example). And they're like $6.50. And if you buy them used, you can usually find perfectly fine copies for around 2 bucks. And those are the prices in LA, it's cheaper in Japan.
Rebochan
2003-12-07, 07:02
I have no idea where you heard this from. I have a scanlation of the originals and all 14 volumes of the TP release. There is absolutly no censorship in the Tokyopop release, and it is even rated OT for ages 16+ to cover their butts for such a thing. I just heard it on a message board. I was actually pretty skeptical anyway, seeing how if they didn't censor Su flipping through Keitaro's porn magazines (and proudly displaying them to Naru!), I couldn't imagine they'd censor anything else. Still, seeing how Love Hina kept coming up, I figured it couldn't hurt to find out while the topic was fresh :)
As far as Japanese manga quality, yes, it is much higher. Examples:
-Almost all Japanese manga comes with a high-gloss slipcover (the kind you find on most hardcover books in the US)
-Cover art is always from the original artist (Tokyopop tends to rearrange bits of artwork for some series-Love Hina comes to mind, and Ironcat did a terrible disservice to the covers of Futaba-kun Change)
-Many series contain colour front pages/foldouts/other extras (first prints especially contain nice goods)
-You can see the artist's real handwriting in omake sections! (though, many of them aren't very legible XD;;)
-Printing errors much rarer (I have yet to encounter any myself)
Ooh, I don't know how many of you guys know about these, slightly OT, but I just found out they have manga kissaten over there! (Cafes with large shelves full of manga, paid by amount of time spent in the place!)
Yeah, I've heard about the manga kissaten craze... but I don't live in Japan, so I can't say that I've ever been to one :(
And I've actually found a few mistakes in printed mangas before. Mostly inconsistencies with place names. But usually things like that are weeded out between the weekly release and the tankouban release (you see a substantial increase in stupid mistakes in the weeklies). Granted, that's nothing to the incredible ammount of spelling errors and the like in translated releases.
-Cover art is always from the original artist (Tokyopop tends to rearrange bits of artwork for some series-Love Hina comes to mind...)
They only did this to volume 1. All the rest are the same as the Japanese relase
First off, I prefer untrans manga in general as long as it has furigana (face it, no matter how good a translation job, something will always be lost to language.)
I've been thinking of picking up some as well. Do you have anything you've tried and which wasn't impossible hard? I've been taking Japanese for half a year now, so while I'm still a beginniner I know my way around hiragana and katakana (and about 150 Kanji). Unfortunately no stores around here has any Japanese manga, and if I order there's no way of checking for furigana beforehand.
Now personally I rather like Tokyopop. They are a bit cheaper than others (almost half the price of DH here in Sweden) and for that I can tolerate some misses. Besides I like that they don't flip it (why pay more money for getting less quality and just plain stupidity?) and that they often keep the onomatope ("sound" effects) in the original form and add translations. The best way I've seen it done was in the Swedish manga magazin "Manga Mania". They had the original katakana/hiragana and below the frame they had the hiragana/katakana, the romaji transliteration (very nice IMHO) and naturally a translation (or comment on what was ment, since translation is not always possible).
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-07, 20:37
Not really. It just gets hella repetitive. Suu makes new mecha turtles, Naru falls a little bit more for Keitaru then beats him down, they find something new in the inn, they go and discuss everything in the bath and start groping each other, they kill Keitaru for listening to said groping. It's all terribly repetitive. If you don't believe me, count the number of times Keitaro walks in on Naru taking a bath then gets punched across the water, then come back and say that you were shallow enough to enjoy it every single time.
The last 3 or so volumes were less repetitive, I'll give it that, but that's only in relation to the beginning, not in relation to the rest of the manga you'll find at the store.
srry, but i had to respond to this as well....
Every anime has a some sort of repetition in it. Even the ones that seem so great and complicated has a repeating pattern. Its one of the base of anime.
to explain better, ill use Naruto, which almost everyone likes, as an example and comparison to Love Hina.
Suu makes new mecha turtles
in the entire manga u only see: mecha tamago 1, 3, 4, 30. 30 comes in for one frame and leaves. even if you count ALL of Suu's machine, less than 10 survive 1 frame.
Naruto gets a new trainer every time. Iruka, Kakashi, Ebisu, and Jiriya. Thats just as much as mecha tamas as u see in Love Hina.
Naru falls a little bit more for Keitaru
this is the BASE storyline of Love Hina. Its not a surprise it happens every volume. I could easily say Naruto gets stronger every volume. Sasuke does too, and lot of the gennins.
they find something new in the inn
like wat? the secret passage ways in 2 chapters??
they go and discuss everything in the bath and start groping each other
i dont know why ure complaining.... ANyways. Discussion in the bath is also rare, and groping in the bath has occured ONCE. So where is the repetition?
they kill Keitaru for listening to said groping. It's all terribly repetitive. If you don't believe me, count the number of times Keitaro walks in on Naru taking a bath then gets punched across the water, then come back and say that you were shallow enough to enjoy it every single time.
so u decide to call the "signature" of an anime repetitve? THats just the same as saying the following:
Pokemon: Ash always throws his pokeball and flips his hat....
One Piece: Luffy always stretches to defeat opponents.
Digimon: they always digivolve.
Full Metal Panic: Sosuke's always hit by a fan.
Furi Kuri: things always come out of Naota's head
Naruto: Naruto always uses kage bunshin.
i could go on, but i rather not.
i understand u dont like the series, but give reasonable examples of why u dont like it. U just stated one of the base structures of writing a series. I write too, and im planning on a professional career with it. Some anime may seem complicated, but if u look carefully all anime have some sort of repetition. Its just that some writers are better at covering it and making the viewers feel like a new thing every volume or eps. From the way u wrote that post up there it doesnt even seem like u read the manga, just watched the anime.
As for the japanese and tokyo pop thing::
First off, I prefer untrans manga in general as long as it has furigana (face it, no matter how good a translation job, something will always be lost to language.)
tat is true. Unless ure translating from british english to american english :rolleyes:
Love Hina was not censored, and.... except vol. 1 all covers are the same as the japanese ones.
TP is expensive.... its 9.99 in the US. Japanese mangas are around $1, even in Korea a manga is $3. (around: 120 yen, and 3600 won respectively)
France and Germany gets it rather cheap too.... USA is always getting screwed over with expensive shit. But can u blame japan? if i got nuked twice....
in the entire manga u only see: mecha tamago 1, 3, 4, 30. 30 comes in for one frame and leaves. even if you count ALL of Suu's machine, less than 10 survive 1 frame.
Psst... Look at volume 5, page 165 last panel. You see Mecha Tamago #2 http://forums.animesuki.com/images/smilies/heh.gif
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-07, 21:01
Psst... Look at volume 5, page 165 last panel. You see Mecha Tamago #2 http://forums.animesuki.com/images/smilies/heh.gif
eh another 1 framer... so wat?
I've been thinking of picking up some as well. Do you have anything you've tried and which wasn't impossible hard? I've been taking Japanese for half a year now, so while I'm still a beginniner I know my way around hiragana and katakana (and about 150 Kanji). Unfortunately no stores around here has any Japanese manga, and if I order there's no way of checking for furigana beforehand.
Now personally I rather like Tokyopop. They are a bit cheaper than others (almost half the price of DH here in Sweden) and for that I can tolerate some misses. Besides I like that they don't flip it (why pay more money for getting less quality and just plain stupidity?) and that they often keep the onomatope ("sound" effects) in the original form and add translations. The best way I've seen it done was in the Swedish manga magazin "Manga Mania". They had the original katakana/hiragana and below the frame they had the hiragana/katakana, the romaji transliteration (very nice IMHO) and naturally a translation (or comment on what was ment, since translation is not always possible).
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Most publishers do use furigana. Some I recommend:
Hanatoyume (tajjii majjii, teruteru x shounen)
Asuka DX (Angelique...my current favourite!)
Kodansha/Kodansha Friend/Betsukomi (Lots of stand-alones...one I found particularly easy was "Dreaming Doll" by Hanae Tachibana, though it's long out of print-also responsible for Sailor Moon)
FC(BOX Kei!, Minmin!)
As far as places that sell it, see if there's a Kinokuniya anywhere near you (http://www.kinokuniya.com), it's definitely the best chain located in the US. There are also many online stores, look around! (Sorry but I can't think of the URLs right now X_X;;)
Geh... those two posts were dripping with fanboi-ism... did you even look at them before posting? Where in the world should I begin?
I'll be blunt. I simply dislike manga with stupid characters and pointless love stories. I believe that I outgrew them before I ever started reading manga, actually (that would be when I was 16, btw). In the realm of shonen love stories, Love Hina is like the bastard child that I wake up to in the morning, slap around, then piss on, and it makes my day better. And people claiming to love it actually fuels that feeling.
Perhaps counting the scenes makes it seem less repetitive, but that's just a cop-out, my friend. If you read the 14 volumes in one sitting and say "Wow... they sure did <blank> a whole hell of a lot. It's like he ran out of ideas starting in chapter 2." Then you have a repetitive series. And the fact that the stuff between the fan-service was so mind-numbing made the repetition stand out all the more vividly (by comparison, most fighting mangas pull on the same things over and over, yet they're still entertaining... but Love Hina isn't a fighting manga... the 'story', as you so generously put it, is all it has).
If you want a love story for guys, read I"s or Video Girl Ai, or if you're up to it, read Ii Hito or SaiKano. If you want fan-service, then read Pretty Face or Ichigo 100%. If you want a half-assed blend of both with a little hint of pedophilia, read Love Hina.
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-08, 03:40
Geh... those two posts were dripping with fanboi-ism... did you even look at them before posting? Where in the world should I begin?
I'll be blunt. I simply dislike manga with stupid characters and pointless love stories. I believe that I outgrew them before I ever started reading manga, actually (that would be when I was 16, btw). In the realm of shonen love stories, Love Hina is like the bastard child that I wake up to in the morning, slap around, then piss on, and it makes my day better. And people claiming to love it actually fuels that feeling.
Perhaps counting the scenes makes it seem less repetitive, but that's just a cop-out, my friend. If you read the 14 volumes in one sitting and say "Wow... they sure did <blank> a whole hell of a lot. It's like he ran out of ideas starting in chapter 2." Then you have a repetitive series. And the fact that the stuff between the fan-service was so mind-numbing made the repetition stand out all the more vividly (by comparison, most fighting mangas pull on the same things over and over, yet they're still entertaining... but Love Hina isn't a fighting manga... the 'story', as you so generously put it, is all it has).
If you want a love story for guys, read I"s or Video Girl Ai, or if you're up to it, read Ii Hito or SaiKano. If you want fan-service, then read Pretty Face or Ichigo 100%. If you want a half-assed blend of both with a little hint of pedophilia, read Love Hina.
u call me a "fan-boy" but ur posts are nothing but "i dont like it so its stupid" like i said before, u think ur opinion is the base of what good manga is.
u still havent shown how its repetitive, which is ur only argument thus far of why this is a crappy series. All you said was: "if you read it all together then its repetitive" counting the scene makes it less repetitive cuz it ISNT so repetitive. (not more than any ohter anime anyways)
its YOUR opinion that its not entertaining, but thousands of ppl find it entertaining. Duh? Pointless? again ur opinion. Plus the only POINT in reading a manga is for self enjoyment, ure being verbiage over there with "its not entertaining, and its pointless"
Stupid characters... this is nothing but ure opinion, so i cant argue with u. We all have our opinions, maybe u should resepect other ppl's opinions for a change.
IF he ran out of ideas after volume 2: he couldve ended it there since thats when he takes the Tokyo U test for the frst time. u overexaggerate.
fighting mangas doing the samething over and over is not entertaining. But tats only my opinion.
Yes the anaology of u beating a bastard child and claiming that makes u feel better proves ure an moronic asshole. You have no difference from HItler who thinks what he belives in and thinks is the base of the world's thought. I dont care when u say u think the anime sucked and u didnt like it. But dont go on insulting ppl who like it, and ESPECIALLY DO NOT INSULT THE WRITER. Ive never been insulted for my work, but i know how it would feel. (bad essay scores is miniscule to it)
WHEN U MAKE A BETTER SERIES BY POPULAR OPINION NOT OF COUPLE OF INDIVIDUAL PPL, THAN START INSULTING US "FANBOYS" AND THE AUTHOR.
till than go beat ur wife and kids like the asshole u are.
Hm.. Love Hina to me.. is like one of the many soaps on tv. x)
Rebochan
2003-12-08, 04:28
Uhhh, can we get back to the topic at hand, which was the quality of Tokyopop manga, instead of making it into a Love Hina flame fest that will send the whole thread down the toilet?
You are free to like whatever you want, and hate whatever you want. Let's leave it at that, okay?
... I'm only 21, dude, I have no interest in marriage or kids... the bastard child thing was just to get my point across. Kinda like when I tell my friends 'slap her like a redheaded step child'... I don't actually want him to slap redheaded stepchildren, just the chick we're talking about. And I called you a 'fanboi'. Please paraphrase me correctly in the future.
What I meant (and I'm pretty sure I got the point across the first time, but I'll spell it out in big letters this time, just so you can't ignore it) is that looking at numbers, anyone can say that anything is either repetitive or not repetitive. You can just take the number of total scenes and then compare the number of scenes in question and say 'Yeah, there are lots' or 'What... it's only 40% of the manga, that's not even half'. But the true measure of repetition is how you feel about it after you've finished it, and it's easier to get a feel for a story when you read it through from start to finish. It's my opinion, I'm intitled to it. Do you understand? Or do I have to brand it on your forehead?
And I used the fighting genre as an example, there are others, but none of them are love stories. You see, mangas based entirely on interactions between a never-changing cast of characters canNOT be repetitive. The saving grace of fighting mangas is that the characters change often, providing for new interactions, and moving the repetitive actions and ideals into the background. Love stories have tried to do this, but you can only add so many love interests before even the most dim-witted of readers figures out what you're trying to do.
And one last thing. I never insulted the artist. I insulted the work. Actually, you could call it 'criticism' that he'll never read. If I wanted to insult Akamatsu Ken, I'd bring up his CCS doujins, but I don't believe I did that in this thread... although I suppose I could be confused.
If you want a love story for guys, read I"s or Video Girl Ai, or if you're up to it.
Would this be a good time to mention that I thought both I"s and Video Girl Ai really really sucked? :uhoh:
You're intitled to your own opinion~ I enjoyed I"s a lot until around volume 7 or so... then the confession caught my attention and I started liking it again. I didn't really like the ending, tho... seemed too corny.
But really, I'm more a fan of serious stories like SaiKano and the like when it comes to love stories. I'll always pick Takahashi Shin over... the guy that did I"s... Matsuru? Something like that.
And I should have added in anything by Adachi, as well. Touch and H2 are two of my favorite mangas (love story or otherwise). But really, we should get back onto the topic of TokyoPop and move this discussion into one of the many love hina threads... or hell, Zoro could simply read one of the other love hina threads and see it in its entirety. It's kinda like looking into the future.
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-08, 13:19
if u didnt notice:
i said u could have ur opinion, i just said dont think ur opinion is the only thing that matters. i dont give a shit wat u like and what u dont like, but when u call the readers dimwits, and its fans shallow moronic fool, ure only making urself look like an asshole. Did u read my posts carefully and THOUGHT about it, or did u read it and went to ur Nazi mode? You remind me of Hitler or the Southern white folks during the civil war.
40% is an exaggeration. The repeating things u have mentioned doesnt even make a total of 50 frames. Considering each pg has about an average of 5 frames per pg, and each volume has an average of 200 pgs. 14 volumes... YOU do the math.
So ure saying that the repetitiveness of Love Hina is soley based on how YOU feel???
The way YOU feel has nothing to do with wat others feel about it, so stop pretending like it.
The more repetitiveness is part of the story and it rolls rather nicely. SHould i say it again? 1000s of ppl thought so too.
and the fact that u perfer serious love stories is also a reason you dont like Love Hina, stop trying to go around the fact tat its just ur taste. THats the only reason u dont like it, cuz its not ur type, so just stop trying to JUSTIFY the fact tat u disrespected the writers, readers, and the fans.
i personally dont like love stories, Love Hina is a comedy based story more than Love story. Its catergorized as comedy, it says that in the back of every love hina books. Its just not ur type, say it tat way... dont go and insult ppl who read it.
I read the Love Hina section, it doesnt have anyone who doesnt like love hina in there. I POSTED in it, so ovbiously u havent been there for awhile have you?
Hm.. Love Hina to me.. is like one of the many soaps on tv. x)
see... just like that. Simple its just his opinion of the manga and not an insult of the ppl who likes it. You should learn some respect, if u went to high school u shouldve learned it. Im assuming you did, seeing that u have time to go online and not work at Vons.
Back to Tokyopop now:
has anyone read FLCL? is it just as crazy, funny, and unintelligent as the anime? in other words is it just as good? (lol)
i read the 1st volume of samurai deeper kyo, looks corny, does it get better?
same with real bout high school.
Back to Tokyopop now:
has anyone read FLCL? is it just as crazy, funny, and unintelligent as the anime? in other words is it just as good? (lol)
Euuuuh, I hate the anime and the manga is actually worse, believe it or not. I only read like half of chapter 1, but the art is nearly incomprehensible for someone who hasn't watched the anime, and the story feels rushed. SDK, well Snoopy assures us that it gets better, but from those 6 scanslated volumes I read, I'd have to say it gets much worse before it gets better (if it does at all).
SDK being Samurai Deeper Kyo, right? I'm a fan of bloody shonen fighting series, and I don't try to hide it. I like to just sit back, turn my mind off, and watch some all-powerful guy blow the gray matter out of a loser's ears. That's why I love Houshin Engi so much. 'Cause there's lots of death :naughty:
But SDK actually gets slightly compelling, if you ask me. It's not for everyone, of course, but the fact that good and evil are kinda grayed and mixed together to a point where you can't really make them out anymore makes for an interesting story. Especially when you compare it to other shonen series, where the value is based on the variety of explosions the mangaka can draw.
To Zoro:
1) I am an asshole. At least when I'm in front of a computer, I am. Plus I don't consider AnimeSuki a place where I need to put up a front of kindness and caring (not that I don't respect AS or anything, love 'ya guys *huggle*). If you were to talk to me on the street about Love Hina, I'd probably smile and nod until you were through, but not here. (Really, I recall saying this at least once before here... it seems people always assume that I'm failing in attempts at being nice, but that's not quite the case :fingers: )
2) The average shonen manga volume has 186 pages (seinen mangas tend to be around the 220+ mark, tho), not counting the last page of publisher info (I don't know if that's in TP releases... but I'll just assume it is). And I only know that because I've scanned in more manga than you've read.
3) Yes, to me, my opinion is the word of God. And anyone who disagrees with me, while they are entitled to that right, are wrong. You, sir, are wrong.
4) 1000's of people thought Hitler was the greatest thing since sliced bread. He even made Time's Man of the Year.
5) The reason I mentioned that I liked serious love stories was to give yet another reason why I didn't like Love Hina. I don't know why you bothered to reiterate.
6) Perhaps it was in one of the Negima threads, then. They're all the same to me. Any thread talking about anything related to Akamatsu turns into a Love Hina discussion eventually.
And yes, unless TP did something weird to the FLCL manga, it's just as freaky as the anime. So if you like one, you'll most likely like the other.
:confused: This thread started out as one in which one wants to know who here reads TokyoPop's manga titles. It then became a suggestions type question, but also for TokyoPop titles, and now it's something of a flame thread?
No no. We're still talking about tokyo pop, we're just having a little argument on the side. *Points to top and bottom of his most recent post*
my opinion of tokyopop is they're not as good as say.... darkhorse, but they are getting better. as some of the newest tokyopop projects have decent, if not good editing, and the translations (while i don't know japanese) seem to make good contextual sense.
as for FLCL, since i'm an avid fan of the anime, i had to get the manga, if for nothing but to say i owned it. and.... it's wierd, very non-sensical humor, sometimes not even meant to be humor..... i think. .... in other words... i love it.
There's no way most of the humor in the FLCL manga can be translated into english without extensive translation notes. And I mean extensive, as in like 5 or 6 big ones per chapter. Thus I can only come up with the scenerio that has TP replacing the japanese humor with random nonsense.
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-08, 21:10
SDK being Samurai Deeper Kyo, right? I'm a fan of bloody shonen fighting series, and I don't try to hide it. I like to just sit back, turn my mind off, and watch some all-powerful guy blow the gray matter out of a loser's ears. That's why I love Houshin Engi so much. 'Cause there's lots of death :naughty:
But SDK actually gets slightly compelling, if you ask me. It's not for everyone, of course, but the fact that good and evil are kinda grayed and mixed together to a point where you can't really make them out anymore makes for an interesting story. Especially when you compare it to other shonen series, where the value is based on the variety of explosions the mangaka can draw.
To Zoro:
1) I am an asshole. At least when I'm in front of a computer, I am. Plus I don't consider AnimeSuki a place where I need to put up a front of kindness and caring (not that I don't respect AS or anything, love 'ya guys *huggle*). If you were to talk to me on the street about Love Hina, I'd probably smile and nod until you were through, but not here. (Really, I recall saying this at least once before here... it seems people always assume that I'm failing in attempts at being nice, but that's not quite the case :fingers: )
2) The average shonen manga volume has 186 pages (seinen mangas tend to be around the 220+ mark, tho), not counting the last page of publisher info (I don't know if that's in TP releases... but I'll just assume it is). And I only know that because I've scanned in more manga than you've read.
3) Yes, to me, my opinion is the word of God. And anyone who disagrees with me, while they are entitled to that right, are wrong. You, sir, are wrong.
4) 1000's of people thought Hitler was the greatest thing since sliced bread. He even made Time's Man of the Year.
5) The reason I mentioned that I liked serious love stories was to give yet another reason why I didn't like Love Hina. I don't know why you bothered to reiterate.
6) Perhaps it was in one of the Negima threads, then. They're all the same to me. Any thread talking about anything related to Akamatsu turns into a Love Hina discussion eventually.
And yes, unless TP did something weird to the FLCL manga, it's just as freaky as the anime. So if you like one, you'll most likely like the other.
1. at least we agree on something... considering u only talk shit online must mean ure not the type that would defend urself so well when a big guy decides to attack u all of a sudden. So in real life u cant do it, so here online u feel secure and decided to be an asshole.
2. i dont care, b4 i bought it it said 200 pgs for most of the mangs of love hina. Youve scanned more manga than ive read?? ARE YOU KIDDING!? I was born and semi-raised in korea, the 2nd most biggest center of anime and manga. I probably read an entire series b4 u saw the cover of it. Korean liscenced can come out the same day as japanese versions. Its a high chance while ure scanning it i was in a manga store in korea reading the next volume. and ive been reading manga since u were perhaps 5. So dont talk about me as if u know me.
3. being christian, wat u say is an offense to my religion. i have to say ure stupid. Your opinion is only high to urself, respect others. i never said u have to be nice, i just said u need to respect
4. unlike hitler, 1000s of ppl that liked love hina was not under propaganda. Nor did the fans of love hina have all their money reduced to shit. We also never got screwed over by a stupid treaty in versailles.... i can go on why the nazi ppl decided hitler was so great. Hitler did have charisma ill give you that.
5. THATS EXACTLY WAT I SAID! You dont like it... do u read my posts then think? or do u think of a response before u read?
6. because the word believes Love Hina is Akamatsu's best work.
Is FLCL worth the buy tho? I mean i really liked the anime, i really dont have a reason why. It was one of those animes that u just like without a reason.
no one here read Real Bout Highschool??
can't say about real bout hischool or whatever, i glanced through it quick once and didn't really like it, but that's personal opinion, from what little i saw it seemed like a non-ecchi ikkitousen or something.... (i read like .... oh.... 2 chapters)
as for FLCL being worth the buy, the art is very different, the story is also different, i liked it, but it took a while to figure out what was happening, best way to figure that out for yourself would be to flip through it and see if it's worth it to you.
and... since love hina seems to be discussed, my opinion is i don't like it..... i just don't like that kinda story is my case and defense.
so there.
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-09, 02:23
can't say about real bout hischool or whatever, i glanced through it quick once and didn't really like it, but that's personal opinion, from what little i saw it seemed like a non-ecchi ikkitousen or something.... (i read like .... oh.... 2 chapters)
as for FLCL being worth the buy, the art is very different, the story is also different, i liked it, but it took a while to figure out what was happening, best way to figure that out for yourself would be to flip through it and see if it's worth it to you.
and... since love hina seems to be discussed, my opinion is i don't like it..... i just don't like that kinda story is my case and defense.
so there.
yea real bout highschool is even rated for ppl 13 and up, so no ecchi.
FLCL story is different? Like completely out there different or like love hina and one piece manga/anime differences?
you dont need to defend ur opinion on anything. Gee, u just have to say whether u like it or not. Snoopy just went out there saying horse shit along with his opinion, tats why i got pissed off, nothing more nothing less.
Heheh..as far as Love Hina, I've read the first three manga volumes and saw Spring Movie. I think it's cute and amusing, granted not the deepest plot, but fun regardless. Perhaps I'm one of the few series fans that doesn't even like girls? I think it's funny to see Keitaro get pushed around. I'm sick like that, I know. XD
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-09, 02:54
Heheh..as far as Love Hina, I've read the first three manga volumes and saw Spring Movie. I think it's cute and amusing, granted not the deepest plot, but fun regardless. Perhaps I'm one of the few series fans that doesn't even like girls? I think it's funny to see Keitaro get pushed around. I'm sick like that, I know. XD
hes the luckiest guy in the world.... i want to see him punched around too. Hes too lucky...
ANYWAY back to TP.
wat are upcomming titles for 2004? anyone know yet? or do they usually announce that at anime expo? (wait tats in july....nvm)
K, I just have 1 paragraph this time, I'll condense. Yes, I'm small, and would probably run from someone capable of beating the shit out of me. I hope you would too. I'm sorry, from your posts, I assumed you were a 14 year old new jersey boy who assumed 'manga' was the printed version of anime until 3 months ago. I'm christian, too. God's a loser. For the 5th, I was curious why you bothered quoting the concession I made as a point to yourself... I think you misunderstood me. The world is stupid, for LH is his second best work, behind Ai ga Tomaranei. But that's not saying either ranks in the realm of wonderful manga.
If you want something similar to Love Hina, go for Phsycic Academy. We translated the whole of it before it was licensed, and TP should be releasing the beginning really soon.
And I also think they were the ones that licensed Get Backers, weren't they?
Yes, it was them. Get Backers is a good manga, and the characterization is subtly different from and better than that in the anime. Just reading the two scanslated vols rendered me incapable of watching the anime. I think I'll buy it when it comes out, Ban is such a sexy idiot.:heh:
Tokyopop also licensed Fruits Basket manga, I'll have to see how good a job they do on it. Oh, and how could I forget Peach Girl!! Tokyopop used a horrible font for it, but PG is still really good. Yay for more peachy goodness!!
wat are upcomming titles for 2004? anyone know yet? or do they usually announce that at anime expo? (wait tats in july....nvm)
Well, I know of 2 that I'm going to get that are being released in January: AI Love You, and Ai Yori Aoshi (yes, I am a sucker for the romance genre). Other titles being released off the top of my head are Ikkitosen (under an english name. Battle Vixens I believe), Candidate for Goddess, and Power!!! (released as Girl Got Game).
I propose a world-wide boycott on 'Battle Vixens'. Someone needs to slap TokyoPop for such a blatant insult to the manga community. I need a barfing emoticon...
Eek. x_x I'm not familiar with that series, but Americanization is just stupid. (If we wanted something American, we would've bought something American, you know?)
The fact that 'Ikkitousen' translates into something along the lines of 'strength of a thousand' means that 'Battle Vixens' is TokyoPop's way of saying that as long as there's panties in it, America will like it. Sadly, it's true. But still.
edit: Didn't wanna make a new post, but I have more to say :/
Another thing about TP. People always say stuff like 'they're staying true to the original by leaving the sounds untranslated'. But everyone that says that has no idea what the hell the sounds are. ADV does it right. Viz does it semi-right (I think the japanese sounds artistically enhance the pages, so changing them to english ones hurts my heart, but at least the illiterate know what's going on). The only reason TP stopped doing it the viz way was for the same reason the scanslators don't do it the VIz way. Because it's EASIER. Seriously, anyone with a limited knowledge of the Kana can guess a sound based on the pronunciation and the drawing style. But there's no way for some 15 year old to know that the boxy 'ドゴン' at the bottom of the panel is the sound of some guy falling off a horse. He just pretends he does. You know, 'cause it makes him feel smarter.
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-09, 13:22
y do they still americanize everything anyways?? is this some racist thing where they want the kids of america to be as "american" as they can be or something? I know korea used to blank out japanese writings in anime when they were still bitter about the war. But wat does america have against a country they nuked to hell?? Boycott it until at least the names are the original japanese names.
14 yr old new jersey boy??? wrong coast, wrong age group, wrong ethnicity too.
like ive said, been reading mangas since 198_ (i was too young then to remember the yr)
no i dont run often since ive gotten this weird thing going on with my body. I dont get hurt too often. Ive been trhu shit and it just never hurt... oddly. I dont know if its a good thing or a bad thing since i can still get injured or die even if it doesnt hurt....If u go to the general chat section, u might have read my posts in the "fight..blahblah" section. I dont talk shit online because i get picked on in real life like the 14 yr olds from new jersey ;) (im not saying u are, just pointing out the common ppl who do)
anyways: get backer seems really popular, but i never looked into it before. I dont know, something about the title kept me away. (dont ask me wat since i dont know) Wats the story about??
Maveric: im not really a fan of love stories....LH is the only one, if u even count it as a love story actually... I think i liked LH partially because some of the things have happened to me (not exact same situation, jsut similiar)
btw snoopy: do u still have psychic academy on ur site? or do i have to wait for TP to publish and buy the rip off 9.99?
*grrr*... I just edited my post... yet I could have waited like 2 minutes and written it in here... *sigh*
Actually, I'm the kind of guy that no one bothers to pick on. My best friend actually was talking to me about it the other day saying "You know... I don't think anyone actually -dislikes- you... some may not like you, but no one would bother messing with you..." I'm nuetral amongst the nuetral people. Kinda like that guy who's standing behind you but that you never notice until you step backwards and run into him.
Get Backers: Two guys with special powers, one has the Jagan (evil eye), and the other controles electricity, are 'repo agents'. They get stuff back that people lose. Basically, they have fights with 'transport agents' (I totally forget the one word name for that... damn.. this'll bug me...) and stuff like that. The longer it goes, the more incredible the opponents become, and you learn alot about 'mugenjou', the giant towering wreck of buildings in the middle of the city. It's really entertaining. Actually, I think I was hooked from the very beginning, which is odd for me.
PA's off the site. Actually, it was only on the site for like a day before it was taken off (when it was announced, we simply put everything that was finished... ie, all of it... on the site, 'cause I couldn't let the work go to waste). But it's still available through backdoor means and stuff... since there's no way to really get rid of it. I recommend you check out a few chapters and buy it if you like it.
Another thing about TP. People always say stuff like 'they're staying true to the original by leaving the sounds untranslated'. But everyone that says that has no idea what the hell the sounds are. ADV does it right. Viz does it semi-right (I think the japanese sounds artistically enhance the pages, so changing them to english ones hurts my heart, but at least the illiterate know what's going on). The only reason TP stopped doing it the viz way was for the same reason the scanslators don't do it the VIz way. Because it's EASIER. Seriously, anyone with a limited knowledge of the Kana can guess a sound based on the pronunciation and the drawing style. But there's no way for some 15 year old to know that the boxy 'ドゴン' at the bottom of the panel is the sound of some guy falling off a horse. He just pretends he does. You know, 'cause it makes him feel smarter.
I disagree. I can read the sounds, and that's why I like them. They make sense to me, unlike many romanized sounds. In fact, some of those are downright confusing. I don't know how many people are familiar with the English version of Raika, but I had to actually pause and think about those. o_o And I don't know why you're discriminating against younger people, either. I'm 17, almost 18, and have been literate in Japanese for four years.
EDIT: Perhaps I was a bit harsh there. I guess for people clueless as to basic kana, Viz does make sense usually. Whoever published Raika (can't remember except that it was obscure) would've only succeeded in further confusing them. But, for the rest of us, there's either Tokyopop or untrans. Untrans isn't always easy to find, and sometimes on a high level, so Tokyopop with kana inclusions can benefit students. I suppose it would be fairer to those who don't know Japanese to add footnotes or something, though.
From what I've seen of TP, they make no effort at doing anything with sfx. Be that romanizing them or translating them. ADV leaves them in, yet provides a translation (bam, boom, chirp, etc) off to the side, which I believe to be the best method, leaving it for purists such as myself, and giving illiterate 15 year olds a way to know what's happening. And no, not all 15 year olds are japanese illiterate. But I was, so there.
And I've never seen Raika, so I can't comment on that...
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-09, 19:54
From what I've seen of TP, they make no effort at doing anything with sfx. Be that romanizing them or translating them. ADV leaves them in, yet provides a translation (bam, boom, chirp, etc) off to the side, which I believe to be the best method, leaving it for purists such as myself, and giving illiterate 15 year olds a way to know what's happening. And no, not all 15 year olds are japanese illiterate. But I was, so there.
And I've never seen Raika, so I can't comment on that...
TP attempted the side sfx translation in LH up tp vol.7, then they gave up. Wonder why tho?
maxthelostboy
2003-12-09, 19:55
From what I've seen of TP, they make no effort at doing anything with sfx. Be that romanizing them or translating them. ADV leaves them in, yet provides a translation (bam, boom, chirp, etc) off to the side, which I believe to be the best method, leaving it for purists such as myself, and giving illiterate 15 year olds a way to know what's happening. And no, not all 15 year olds are japanese illiterate. But I was, so there.
And I've never seen Raika, so I can't comment on that...
snoopy is so cool! i like knowing the sound affects but not them changing the art.
TP attempted the side sfx translation in LH up tp vol.7, then they gave up. Wonder why tho?
Because it takes about 15 minutes more per chapter. That's 2 hours per volume. Which would mean that one editor could produce roughly 1 more volume per week without translated sound effects. Then there's the price of translations... I don't know if the difference is even noticable, tho. That's the only reason I can think of. TokyoPop made their name by being fast and snatching the best mangas. They know perfectly well that people will buy GTO whether they edit it well or not, so what's the point in paying a good editor to do it?
Really, some company should take a chance and hire scanslators to coordinate one of their mangas... seriously, we get things done so much better than half of the professionals out there, and we work 9 to 5 jobs or go to school on top of it. It's almost depressing how poorly the majority of the American manga companies handle business and fan relations.
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-09, 20:33
Because it takes about 15 minutes more per chapter. That's 2 hours per volume. Which would mean that one editor could produce roughly 1 more volume per week without translated sound effects. Then there's the price of translations... I don't know if the difference is even noticable, tho. That's the only reason I can think of. TokyoPop made their name by being fast and snatching the best mangas. They know perfectly well that people will buy GTO whether they edit it well or not, so what's the point in paying a good editor to do it?
Really, some company should take a chance and hire scanslators to coordinate one of their mangas... seriously, we get things done so much better than half of the professionals out there, and we work 9 to 5 jobs or go to school on top of it. It's almost depressing how poorly the majority of the American manga companies handle business and fan relations.
well... good news is, the next generation editors will know how crappy it is to have all these errors, and ppl like you will take up to jobs. Im glad im young enough to have had anime fans who hated americanizing to start getting old enough to take these jobs. Go for it, anime fans know better than these editors probably.
It's a pipe dream, man. I could get into the industry if I wanted (I'm sure some one would hire me...), but it's not like the work horse gets a say. Especially not in a company like TP or Viz. On the other hand, some people in the community are actually working on finding capitol to start a new company, and I've been communicating with them for a while. But it's probably not going to happen, and if it does, it'll be real real small.
Really, things are moving in generally the correct direction. Prices are falling, which is a good thing (they're still too high, but they were way higher), flipped manga is virtually never made anymore, and some companies are beginning to respect the art form as much as it deserves. And the driving force behind the changes was actually TokyoPop. Back when Viz was the only name in manga, they would have laughed in your face if you asked them to stop flipping the pages and changing the character's names to what they knew we wanted them to be from the beginning ( :dots: ). Then TP came along and released faster and cheaper, and Viz had to change it's strategy, but then people started to look more closely at TP and we realized they have just as much faults as what they replaced, only they're the kind that eat at you over time rather than jump at you from the page. And now ADV's come along... there release schedule is... bad, but the rest is what I would do if I was in charge.
Really, things are moving in generally the correct direction. Prices are falling, which is a good thing (they're still too high, but they were way higher), flipped manga is virtually never made anymore, and some companies are beginning to respect the art form as much as it deserves. And the driving force behind the changes was actually TokyoPop. Back when Viz was the only name in manga, they would have laughed in your face if you asked them to stop flipping the pages and changing the character's names to what they knew we wanted them to be from the beginning ( :dots: ). Then TP came along and released faster and cheaper, and Viz had to change it's strategy, but then people started to look more closely at TP and we realized they have just as much faults as what they replaced, only they're the kind that eat at you over time rather than jump at you from the page. And now ADV's come along... there release schedule is... bad, but the rest is what I would do if I was in charge.
I haven't seen any manga by ADV yet. What titles have they picked up? Do they have a site?
Full Metal Panic and Azumanga Daioh are both ADV... and there may be others, I'm not really familiar with their full license list. So far I've only picked up FMP volume 1, but I thought it was done exceedingly well, and I hear that others are similar.
maxthelostboy
2003-12-09, 22:28
ADVMANGA COPY RIGHTS
*Numbers relate to number of volumes kown as the time of this info*
angel/dust Aoi Nanase 1
ARIA R^2 3+
Azumanga Daioh Kiyohiko Azuma 4
Blue Inferior 4
Cat Girl Nuku Nuku
Cat Shit One
Chrono Crusade 6+
Dark Side Blues
Demon City Hunter 17
Demon City Shinjuku 2
Demon Palace Babylon 2
Desert Coral 3+
Figure 17 2
Full Metal Panic! Gatoh Shoji & Tateo Retsu 6+
Gunslinger Girl 2+
Happy Lesson 1+
Jinki: Extend 3+
Kagerou Nostalgia ~The New Chapter~ 1+
KI-ME-RA
Louie the Run Soldier N/A
Najica Blitz Tactics 3+
R2 - Rise R to The Second Power 1+
Seven of Seven 3
Steel Angel Kurumi 9
Those Who Hunt Elves 21
To Heart 3
Yours and My Secret
source: http://mangabits.com/publishers/publisher.php?id=7
so far i got full metal panic (good)
Gunsligner Gilrs vol1 cool book
and city hunter looked cool yet to read .......
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-09, 23:42
i heard ADV is the best out there. Not lazy, not stingy with prices, and appreciates the fan's wishes. Im picking up Full MEtal Panic next time i go to borders, love the anime.
wat was the price on the manga back then? (when u started) Until recently ive read all my mangas in korean, which are 25 cents to rent and $3 to buy at K-town mana (korean for manga) stores. REALLY cheap eh? i could by an entire series with the same price for 1 book in english. im a better english speaker tho, so im more comfortable with english. was still a kid when i left good ol korea.
Viz is kinda sad... i hate how they changed the names of attacks in One Piece, but everything else is good.
maxthelostboy
2003-12-09, 23:55
well $18 - 15$ was the norm still hasnt changed with stupid dark horse yet and they licensed 3 great series! Trigun! Hellsing! Beserk! Get with it darkhorse we dont want those high prices anymore! SHonen jump novels r still the cheapest. Maybe with more competition on the way will have even cheaper prices! RUn out and get full metal panic manga you wont be angry at all after words. also gunslinger is a must if you watch the show! Manga is 10x cooler than anime and alot cheaper most the time
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-10, 00:11
well $18 - 15$ was the norm still hasnt changed with stupid dark horse yet and they licensed 3 great series! Trigun! Hellsing! Beserk! Get with it darkhorse we dont want those high prices anymore! SHonen jump novels r still the cheapest. Maybe with more competition on the way will have even cheaper prices! RUn out and get full metal panic manga you wont be angry at all after words. also gunslinger is a must if you watch the show! Manga is 10x cooler than anime and alot cheaper most the time
like i said, i could have an entire series in korean for the same price of one book. hahaha. I knew i shouldve study korean better. Its hard for me to read the more "mature" titles. It sucks cuz korean is a closer language than enlgish is to japanese.
wat was the price on the manga back then? (when u started) Until recently ive read all my mangas in korean, which are 25 cents to rent and $3 to buy at K-town mana (korean for manga) stores. REALLY cheap eh? i could by an entire series with the same price for 1 book in english. im a better english speaker tho, so im more comfortable with english. was still a kid when i left good ol korea.
Wow. I've heard there were a lot of good original Korean series as well-except I don't know any Korean. Since many Japanese series get translated into Korean, what about K to J? Sorry if this is kinda OT here!
SHonen jump novels r still the cheapest. Maybe with more competition on the way will have even cheaper prices! RUn out and get full metal panic manga you wont be angry at all after words. also gunslinger is a must if you watch the show! Manga is 10x cooler than anime and alot cheaper most the time
Shounen Jump...ehh, I get kinda iffy on them. I picked up one issue (US version) on a whim, DBZ was the censored version and I assume other series in it may be as well. (I also was displeased at romanizations in Yuu Yuu Hakusho, including the title, but Funimation's really to blame for that.) If you're looking for an English manga anthology, I'd recommend Animerica Extra over it, even though it is flipped...or Raijin, though at the time of the issue I read, there was only one series I really liked.
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-10, 01:23
although ive never read them myself, i believe the most famous korean manga is Ragnarok. I never picked it up since the art looks like a clutter of fan art... and since i never found Vol. 1. It supposed to be pretty good.
koreans do make lots of og manga. (#2 in world...) But the specialty that koreans have shown is animation. Watch a disney movie or an episode of naruto and wait for the credits. The animators will have last names such as :kim, lee, park, chung, etc etc of koreans. Krns are famous in animation, but not so much in manga yet.
If the Japanese get krn manga translated, they would have to read the opposite way~ since krn is like english, left to right. hahaha thats funny, i can imagine japanese ppl going "i cant believe Seoul Pop flipped the manga!! And wat kinda name is 'Namato?' its supposed to be 'Nam Ho'!!"
If the Japanese get krn manga translated, they would have to read the opposite way~ since krn is like english, left to right. hahaha thats funny, i can imagine japanese ppl going "i cant believe Seoul Pop flipped the manga!! And wat kinda name is 'Namato?' its supposed to be 'Nam Ho'!!"
WOw, that would be funny to see. XD XD And the funniest part is, I think I came across a Tokyopop version of a Korean series and it was flipped to read in the Japanese direction! XD
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-10, 02:13
WOw, that would be funny to see. XD XD And the funniest part is, I think I came across a Tokyopop version of a Korean series and it was flipped to read in the Japanese direction! XD
o_O u sure!?! TP cant be THAT stupid!! haha what is the author's name and wat title is it??? If you know i mean...
o_O u sure!?! TP cant be THAT stupid!! haha what is the author's name and wat title is it??? If you know i mean...
It was a while ago, I was thinking about picking up something that kinda looked good...I could be wrong about it being flipped but I don't think so. It was probably I.N.V.U.....I actually decided against it since I really don't know anything about Korean culture or language and figured it might confuse me, though I might pick up Under the Glass Moon...
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-10, 03:11
It was a while ago, I was thinking about picking up something that kinda looked good...I could be wrong about it being flipped but I don't think so. It was probably I.N.V.U.....I actually decided against it since I really don't know anything about Korean culture or language and figured it might confuse me, though I might pick up Under the Glass Moon...
of course i can answer any cultrual or humour questions. ^^
but really we should open a new forum for this when it comes up.
of course i can answer any cultrual or humour questions. ^^
but really we should open a new forum for this when it comes up.
Aww, thanks! Yeah, this thread did get pretty hijacked. *laughs*
Ace_of_Hearts
2003-12-12, 04:30
I don't know about Tokyopop. They massacred the Initial D series. They changed their names, which isn't bad normally but when they even massacre the names, there's a problem. They also changed the story. Now that's bad. I don't know about Tokyopop's other mangas but because they ruined Initial D, I'm not really big on them.
hyung-nim
2003-12-14, 03:57
dang, ADV manga was kool while I read the Azumanga Daioh, but it broke my heart when they changed the Bruce Lee gag into some Van Damn gag... Damn, they ALMOST kept it original, but had to screw it up right there. haha, hey snoopy, when are you gys coming up with more "Midori no Hibi" chapters? I can't wait. It's just too damn good. ^_^
Mr. Bushido
2003-12-15, 11:40
dang, ADV manga was kool while I read the Azumanga Daioh, but it broke my heart when they changed the Bruce Lee gag into some Van Damn gag... Damn, they ALMOST kept it original, but had to screw it up right there. haha, hey snoopy, when are you gys coming up with more "Midori no Hibi" chapters? I can't wait. It's just too damn good. ^_^
wat a lame name, wat if ure one of the youngest here? ure wat 18? lol jk
Midori won't be released again until Christmas. But there'll be enough in that update to make up for the lack lately.
Leo_Otaku
2004-01-03, 19:54
I like Tokyo Pop the best. Viz is UBER annoying and so is ONE comics. First of all Viz charges WAY to much for their manga, and they screw up what the characters says, such as spelling. For Di Gi Charat they say meow instead of nyo and the spell her name Degiko instead of Dejiko. And ONE comics discontinued WEED. That pissed me and quite a few other ppl off.
I like Tokyo Pop the best. Viz is UBER annoying and so is ONE comics. First of all Viz charges WAY to much for their manga, and they screw up what the characters says, such as spelling. For Di Gi Charat they say meow instead of nyo and the spell her name Degiko instead of Dejiko. And ONE comics discontinued WEED. That pissed me and quite a few other ppl off.
Actually Kenshin's pretty cheap ($8). As for the meow/nyo thing, I guess they were trying to edit way too hard while localizing it ^_~ As for Dejiko, I can see if they did Digiko, but degiko is just kinda weird O_O
maxthelostboy
2004-01-03, 20:48
Look what viz did to galazy express 999 manga! Gave up on it $16 copies. FLipped ugh good things those days r gone but i want a rerealse of galazy express 999 unflipped and $10 copies like all viz's new manga. Also why is ranma and inu yasha still flipped?
Actually, I've seen a lot of spelling mistakes, and a few bad romanizations from Tokyopop.
Bad romanizations/name issues I can think of offhand:
-In Clover, "Suu" became "Sue", which confused most readers- in the library copy I borrowed, someone wrote the hiragana 'su-e' over it thinking that was her name.
-Also in Clover, "Oruha" inexplicably became "Ora".
-In Wish, "Kouryuu" became "Koryu", while it's correct by certain romanization systems, it is confusing to see it without the lengthened vowel sound.
-In Chobits, the name Sumomo was translated to Plum. While correct, it was inconsistant, since most Japanese names do have a meaning to them, and are rarely ever translated. Curiously, an email address coming from that persocom contained "sumomo" instead of "plum". Also, like above, Chii was cut off as Chi.
In previous posts in this thread I've also listed other kinds of mistakes companies are notorious for (such as printing errors). Sometimes a translator makes an error in story, too-for example, in Paradise Kiss, Isabella is labeled as a dragqueen in Tokyopop's description. Volume 3 or 4 proves this to be false, Isabella is a pre-op transsexual. "...when I was so obviously a girl on the inside".
tsuki_desu
2004-01-07, 13:27
Actually, I've seen a lot of spelling mistakes, and a few bad romanizations from Tokyopop.
Same here. But I don't really care cuz at least I can understand it. I can read japanese, it's just that I don't understand most of wat i'm reading. :uhoh:
Oh! And haven't you noticed how sometimes they change the titles? Like Catcher in the horoscope became Zodiac P.I. when it got translated. I liked the other title better....
Chib and Aima
2004-01-08, 15:34
:help:
I'm doing an asignment for my General Business class and I kneed to know Who started TokyoPop, How it got started, Why it was started, When it was started, Where it was started, and what dificultys offored while starting.
It's due 1/15/04 here and right now it's 1/8/04. Please help me. The only information I can find I have to pay for.
:help:
SirCanealot
2004-01-08, 16:53
Pay for? Why don't you just email them and ask? :P
I'm sure their not to busy to not answer a few questions for a fan. Just be tactful and polite...
Chib and Aima
2004-01-13, 00:02
:help:
AHHHH!!!!! I've E-mailed thim awhile ago, but they havn't responded. Since they havn't responded by know I doubt they're going to respond.
this really sucks. I'm the same as out of done and I don't even have all the information I kneed much less a visual that would really help.
If anyone knows anything, PLEASE help me.
:help:
Hmm..
Actually, I translate commercial manga, and I always have a big problem with things like names, and sound effects.
As far as names go, if they are just katakana-versions of English names, I change it to the English spelling. Also, I have had one case where I had to change a name, because it became a bad word in English when romanized.. (>_<) Otherwise, I just leave it the way it is.
And for sound effects, I try my best to translate them into English, but many times it's really impossible. There aren't enough sound words in English... Fortunately, my company leaves the Japanese versions in there too, so anyone who can memorize 46 katakana characters can still read them.
Anyway, the preferences of the average customer is a lot different than those of people who really like manga and are willing to learn a little japanese.. so a lot of companies are forced to kind of dumb-down their translations to get a wider market.
Another thing, English is a lot more wordy than Japanese, so to say the exact same thing is nearly impossible, because of space issues. That's why a lot of English manga seems really vague, because a lot of nuiance doesn't get through..
Anyway..
Reina
SirCanealot
2004-01-13, 14:44
Hmm..
Another thing, English is a lot more wordy than Japanese, so to say the exact same thing is nearly impossible, because of space issues. That's why a lot of English manga seems really vague, because a lot of nuiance doesn't get through..
This is where perhaps the companies need to make sure they get in good editing staff - which I've heard isn't happening in some companies (no point mentioning which ones... ), and in my experience some stuff could really need tightening down on. It's possible for a good editor to find better ways of wording stuff and keeping the meaning in than a lesser one would. But I'm just nit picking now, so no worries. I've seen some bad scanlations in my time..... ugh.
And on sound effects... well I'm sure "fffwahhhoghzthgajothjinosthrgth" is better than a load of Japanese symbols :P
Carrackus
2004-01-14, 23:08
WOW! Long thread got through half of it!
The way tokyopo did GTO isn't that bad, I'm hooked on that one.
I see where everyone is getting about TP's Initial D. I just found out how many editing stuffs and tone of the manga was sort of changed in the american release. I knew abuot the name changes already, but i didnt know what anyone was talking about till i got ahold of some volumes.
ADV did a really good job on both Azumanga Daioh and FMP.
my 2 cents ;)
So far, the only manga I read has been released by Tokyopop: Cowboy Bebop, GTO, Love Hina, Samurai Deeper Kyo, and Scryed.
Extreme bump, but that's ok.
I bought Tokyopop's first issue of Psychic Academy a few days ago, and after reading it I felt it was ok. But a few points in the story is a little bit strange, kinda hard to grasp properly. So I downloaded a scanlated version of it I found, and... yikes! The differences in the two translations are HUGE!!
One example is Ai's brother. While he is an honour student in the scanlation, he's the new aura teacher in TP's version.
Another one is the class where they are supposed to work with strengthening the "aura guard". In TPs version, everyone thinks Ai is awsome for taking the gym teachers attack without using his aura power, and apparently that's what the rabbit told him to do. Even the gym teacher asks him "You've been in combat before?", and some fellow students say "Awsome! You're Zero's little brother alright!". And I ask myself, "what for? Anyone could do that".
The answer is given in the scanlation. There, the teacher asks "What? You're a beginner?", and the fellow students say "That's impossible! He's the legendary boy's brother!". And the rabbit apparently wanted him to use his aura, if I interpret the sentence "think of his power as nothing" correctly.
This, and loads of other inconsistencies and differences, truly make me sceptical to the way Tokyopop seems to change the stories of the mangas they license. I think the general dialogues of TP's version are better, they sound better in English. But the accuracy might be questionable, if the scanlation is anything to go by.
It just seems so stupid that I have to read one version to get good-sounding dialogues, and another version to get the CORRECT story.
I do got love hina, battle royale, samurai deepper kyo, real about high school, magick knight of rayearth, A.i. love you (vol1) and Escaflowne from tokyopop :)
skillosopher
2004-03-25, 12:53
i know get backers was done by tokyo pop. is there any news on the manga's progress?! ive been dying to get my hands on the manga after the anime died. anyone have any tips?
i know i saw the first chapter released in some anime magazine i picked up at borders books. are they selling whole books yet? if not is there anywhere else i can find it?
About GetBackers, you'll find Dranz did a review of the first volume recently. Check the second and third pages.
Lina Inverse
2004-03-27, 21:44
I got some issues from them just because I was curious about the series which weren't avaiable over here, but what I found was absolutely horrible :twitch:
It was Americanized a great deal, censored a lot with lots of arbitrary changes, the names had be changed to some awful sounding ones, the retouch work nearly made me throw up etc. After getting an accurate translation from one of the series and compared, I noticed that the "translation" (dunno if it deserves that names) was often totally off and sometimes didn't have to do anything at all with the original anymore, as if someone did a hit-and-miss on what it could mean :twitch:
Thus, series are often butchered and maimed vigorously so that nothing much of its original charme remains, totally ruining the series. If you didn't know the original, you'll probably not be able to realize the true extent of how awful it actually is.
All in all, I clearly nominate them for the most atrocious editors ever, as this is by far the worst I've ever seen. :mad:
I got some issues from them just because I was curious about the series which weren't avaiable over here, but what I found was absolutely horrible :twitch:
It was Americanized a great deal, censored a lot with lots of arbitrary changes, the names had be changed to some awful sounding ones, the retouch work nearly made me throw up etc. After getting an accurate translation from one of the series and compared, I noticed that the "translation" (dunno if it deserves that names) was often totally off and sometimes didn't have to do anything at all with the original anymore, as if someone did a hit-and-miss on what it could mean :twitch:
Thus, series are often butchered and maimed vigorously so that nothing much of its original charme remains, totally ruining the series. If you didn't know the original, you'll probably not be able to realize the true extent of how awful it actually is.
All in all, I clearly nominate them for the most atrocious editors ever, as this is by far the worst I've ever seen. :mad:
While I'm not really a big fan of Tokyopop, I'd like to ask you where you're getting the "accurate translation" from in your comparison of translations...
7thMethuselah
2004-03-28, 06:22
Having read several of Tokypop's manga's I can't just in general say I like or dslike them. It really depends on the manga. The one thing I can't stand is when they change the names of characters (the Sumomo - Plum thing for example) but I'm happy that they keep the Japanese way of reading (flipping the art is horrible) and they don't translate the action sounds.
Some manga I was happy with were Love Hina, Planetes and Chobits (apart from the names).
However manga like GetBackers really sucked since they overdid it in trying to add cool language in it, it really got annoying after a while. I recently picked up ai Yori Aoshi and so far no complaints about it yet. Still have to read Full Metal Panic and a few others ...
bluemist
2004-03-28, 08:44
I am going to follow their Fruits Basket manga. I got the first volume, and I have no complaints. It's just plain fine to read, I don't need to nitpick about those translations and stuff like that. As long I understand what I read, that is good enough.
Still have to read Full Metal Panic and a few others ...
Full Metal Panic is a product of ADV Manga, not Tokyopop.
7thMethuselah
2004-03-28, 17:03
Full Metal Panic is a product of ADV Manga, not Tokyopop.
you're right, gomen gomen :heh: I just bought it yesterday haven't really looked at it yet, catching up on Ah! My Goddess first (french version) :)
zeldalover
2007-11-14, 14:54
Who reads the mangas from that publisher?Tokyopop (http://www.tokyopop.com)
Dude, almost all the manga that I have are from tokyopop, heck, I got a profile from Tokyopop.com its pretty cool really and a really frienly place to make friends.
^_^
Hmm...inetresting thread necromancy.
Almost all of the posts were complaing about TP, but they were all from 2004. Does anybody know if they've gotten better in the last 3 years?
Ookla The Mok
2007-11-18, 17:05
I just read Kare Kano volumes 2 and 3... Yeah, TOKYOPOP has gotten a world of better since then.
becky-chan
2008-04-14, 15:57
I have tons of manga from TOKYOPOP
I love how they keep the manga right to left,its confusing to read left to right manga now :heh:
But what really ticked me off was the sumomo-plum thing in chobits,but its a good publisher,none the less.
Tiamat's Disciple
2008-04-14, 17:19
They arent a good company, they're average. They're to hit and miss with translations and the way they handle the manga. Then you get releases like Psychic Academy which are throw backs to their Mixx days.
They have done some good ones, but meh.
Full Metal Panic is a product of ADV Manga, not Tokyopop.
Actually, TP have the license for the light novels.
Potatochobit
2008-04-14, 17:21
well, to be fair tokyopop did not start out as a manga publisher.
in my opinion, it was an idea way ahead of its time.
but with so many financial loses they took, i hope they are recovering well with their manga and anime releases.
I think I have chobits and rozen maiden and maybe ai yori aoshi from them?
KimmyChan
2009-04-03, 13:41
I use to read Tokopop published manga a lot a few years back, but hardly anymore now :p
alamarco
2009-04-03, 18:40
Speaking of FMP light novels, TokyoPop has put them on hold. Big shame because the 4th novel had a release date at December, but never came. Really got on my nerves as I can no longer read FMP :(.
yongshun
2009-04-03, 21:38
I have a ton of tokyopop mangas but right now I just want them or someone to release Beck. Sucks that they released up to volume 11 and them lost the license for it.
Speaking of FMP light novels, TokyoPop has put them on hold. Big shame because the 4th novel had a release date at December, but never came. Really got on my nerves as I can no longer read FMP :(.
I felt the same about Kino no Tabi, Gosick and Karin.
It's also one of the reasons why I'm learning Japanese. :p
Once I get obsessed with a series, it just drives me crazy that I can't finish it.
Tiamat's Disciple
2009-04-04, 12:42
In fairness to TP, Kino no Tabi is out of their hands. The issues they're facing come from the japanese publisher, not from TP. It's not a case of they won't publish it, but that they can't.
That said TP is dying, almost all of their LN line up has been put on hold (effectively canceled) as has a vast majority o their manga. THey're facing huge losses, and TBH i think they'll either die of within the next year or so, or be bought out by another compan
I know several other publishers have been trying to get TP to sell some of their canceled and held series
alamarco
2009-04-04, 12:59
I felt the same about Kino no Tabi, Gosick and Karin.
It's also one of the reasons why I'm learning Japanese. :p
Once I get obsessed with a series, it just drives me crazy that I can't finish it.
I'm with you on that one, I hate not being able to complete a series. If I dislike it I have to finish it.
Maybe once I'm done school I'll try to find a tutor. How are you learning the language, through a tutor, a course?
@Tiamat's Disciple: It would be nice if companies would give up their cancelled/put on hold series, but that would be rare to see. It's a capitalist world and they wont be giving up a product so another company would benefit. Unless they actually do go under, I don't think we'll see them give up any of their titles.
I'm with you on that one, I hate not being able to complete a series. If I dislike it I have to finish it.
Maybe once I'm done school I'll try to find a tutor. How are you learning the language, through a tutor, a course?
@Tiamat's Disciple: It would be nice if companies would give up their cancelled/put on hold series, but that would be rare to see. It's a capitalist world and they wont be giving up a product so another company would benefit. Unless they actually do go under, I don't think we'll see them give up any of their titles.
This is what I've been doing:
Using Heisig - Learning the Kanji for kanji, obviously. Very helpful so far. Already learned hiragana + katakana just by drilling it for about a week.
For grammar, I use this site:
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/
If I need help reading a certain kanji, I'll write it in IME pad and input the kanji here: http://www.saiga-jp.com/kanji_dictionary.html
I read raw manga and watch raw anime for practice.
Once I start college, I'll be taking classes. I'm hoping to major in Japanese.
Tiamat's Disciple
2009-04-04, 21:38
I'm with you on that one, I hate not being able to complete a series. If I dislike it I have to finish it.
Maybe once I'm done school I'll try to find a tutor. How are you learning the language, through a tutor, a course?
@Tiamat's Disciple: It would be nice if companies would give up their cancelled/put on hold series, but that would be rare to see. It's a capitalist world and they wont be giving up a product so another company would benefit. Unless they actually do go under, I don't think we'll see them give up any of their titles.
Even if they go under their licenses will just end up in limbo and be a pain to get sorted. Happened a few times already. Would be better for them (as in better for fans) to be absorbed by another publisher, which would give a semblance of hope for a rerelease.
I also can't see them giving up the licenses for the LN's either TBH. They claimed Scrapped Princess was canceld for lack of sales, but thats different to what i was told by a rep. He claimed it was pulled to cut costs, much like most of their line up. Sure it was't raking in the cash, but they were doing better than average apparently.
Sad thing is they cancelled all those titles to cut costs, but in doing so alienated a huge chunk of fandom. I know a load of people who refuse to buy TP titles at all anymore in protest over it.
alamarco
2009-04-05, 04:18
@MatriXX: Thanks for the information, I appreciate it. Good luck on the rest of your studies, it's amazing how it only took you about a week.
@Tiamat's Disciple: I wont be one of the ones avoiding TokyoPop. I'll still be buying the Fate/stay night manga, and I really hope they don't cancel that. If they do, that may well be the last straw. The Full Metal Panic light novels were the first I got from TokyoPop, so I guess one mistake I can forgive.
KimmyChan
2009-04-05, 07:23
There's only one Tokyopop series that I'm bothering to read & buy lately - V.B. Rose :)
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