Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon - S2 - Episode 05 Discussion / Poll

[monir]

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[Kunagisa]

川上稔 ‏@kawakamiminoru
三巻にも繋がる部分なので、ここらは拾って頂きました。
(Something like 【this part is connected to volume 3, here's a taste for it】)

Most discussed tweet on 2ch regarding horizon right now. If anything, this is like the only thing relating maybe to the news of season 3.

EDIT: I really wouldn't take this to mean anything really, but it's better than nothing ┐(￣ー￣)┌

http://i.imgur.com/Wstc8.jpg

30 people (assuming the roster didn't run over to the next frame).

[MisaoFan]

While the festival is still here, Shakespeare is able to see many predictions that are out of nowhere in London. Adele have problems piloting her armored robot with Suzu, Masazumi keeps getting lusted after Drake and Naite getting hurt by Wallsingham. Nevertheless, Ulquiaga and Margot almost defeated Nicholas and the swimmer respectively, and Marga is saved by Gin from getting killed by the wolf, while Futayo will plan on fighting against Walter again. And two dates for Toori/Horizon and Tenzo/Scarred happened, but something even more grand than before will suddenly happens across London. Great episode with impressive fights, will look forward to the double feature in the next two weeks.

[Honda Futayo]

So is Walter's sword invisible or is it just a mass of energy?

And when he blocked Futayo's Tonbokiri attack, was that the sword or was that some other defensive move.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

So is Walter's sword invisible or is it just a mass of energy?

It's some kind of energy/gravity weapon. But acts like a lightsabre so you only need to carry the hilt.

[articuzwolf]

too much and too short battles :(

[Kunagisa]

Can't help it, 5 episodes for ~1000 pages. To quote from 2ch, if this was One Piece this one episode would've taken 3 months, and if it's Dragonball this would taken half a year. Super, super high quality condensed work here.

The water fight's the main one this episode, which is done very well with full duration (boobs+tight body suits are overpowered http://i.imgur.com/KsJUH.gif). The one everyone complaining is short is probably the Walsingham one and that's not over yet.

Again, quoting 2ch

tentatively [guessing]
episode 07 --> fights
episode 08 -->
episode 09 -->
episode 10 --> fights
episode 11 --> fights
episode 12 --> fights
episode 13 --> fights

They gotta conserve the budget somehow, not to mention they're finally starting to use bank images

http://i.imgur.com/4SwhEl.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/LqQNGl.jpg

I mean that one animator for the series said he there are several scenes from the OP that they could use for banking, but then he didn't want to so he drew new ones (which is why people repeatedly say Horizon is a series loved by the staff). Truth to be told, you really rarely see bank images used in Horizon before this episode (not counting the 3D ship models) and the fact they started using it I'm :hoping: they're saving budget for some of the later stuff (ex: the Spanish Armada from the OP comes to mind).

This episode itself probably burnt a lot of the budget already. Recently, I haven't seen any episode with more than 30 key animators besides Smile Precure episode 23 (which was absolutely crazy amazing, should totally watch it even if you don't follow the series weekly). Hell Accel World was so godly this week only due to Abe Nozomu + AHO Army, and Kabashima (who worked on Horizon season 1, but was called to work on Accel as its Super Mecha Animation Director/大メカ作画監督 <--lol) tweeted to Kawakami that AW's made up of veterans and Horizon newcomer animators. When you lack the experience you need the numbers, so even just going by effort Horizon gets a perfect 10 this episode. It also shows that Horizon has a low budget compare to ... well all its "rivals" every season ;__;.

tl;dr: Probably tight budget, still pushed out a lot of effort, can't really complain about fights being short http://i.imgur.com/320uS.gif

Edit: Horizon II vol1 already entered the Amazon yearly sales ranking, the only other one besides Fate/Zero BD Box II so far from series that has not yet actually gone on sale (this is important because it showed that stalker point was way over calculating Amazon's preorders for Horizon, but now at least we know it's overcalculating LESS). Huzzah!

[Marcus H.]

^ With that amount of preparation, I'm pretty sure that we will be blown away by the Grande y Felicisima Armada.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Erm yeah, no way- I'm gonna need the English subs for this one :uhoh:

[Aoi Toori]

Can't help it, 5 episodes for ~1000 pages. To quote from 2ch, if this was One Piece this one episode would've taken 3 months, and if it's Dragonball this would taken half a year. Super, super high quality condensed work here.

The one everyone complaining is short is probably the Walsingham one and that's not over yet.
Again, quoting 2ch

yes I also fell the battle moves a little bit to fast but can't complain much
well if they made it 2 cour every season... I don't mind lower quality as long it was 2 cour actually :heh:


tl;dr: Probably tight budget, still pushed out a lot of effort, can't really complain about fights being short http://i.imgur.com/320uS.gif
^ With that amount of preparation, I'm pretty sure that we will be blown away by the Grande y Felicisima Armada.

I hope this is true not because they want preserve the budget for more profit... or for another 'things'

[Cosmic Eagle]

Malga may not be as strong as Margot but damn...she sure knows how to lay down the hurt.

Also Ukky you lucky bastard...saved by lolicon....

[Kazu-kun]

Malga may not be as strong as Margot but damn...she sure knows how to lay down the hurt.

But Malga is fighting without her weapons, right? Considering that, the fact that she stood her ground for the most part says a lot IMO.

On a related note, I hope Gin kicks the crap out of that freak furball. Anyone who harms Malga deserves severe punishment!

[Cosmic Eagle]

But Malga is fighting without her weapons, right? Considering that, the fact that she stood her ground for the most part says a lot IMO.

On a related note, I hope Gin kicks the crap out of that freak furball. Anyone who harms Malga deserves severe punishment!

Even without weaponry Malga seems to revolve more around spells that FUBAR the opponent in very insidious ways.

Like this one....strengthen Drake's body such that the strain of his roar is amplified causing him to burst his blood vessels.

Yes I agree with that last bit....no one who touches Malga should get away without ending up as scrap at least.

[Znail]

Anyone knows if there are any subbers working on this episode?

[Xacual]

Anyone knows if there are any subbers working on this episode?

Other than the official subs from Crunchyroll, no.

[Mura]

Subs are out for this.

The end got me curious, what is Mary gonna show Tenzo?

[Azuma Denton]

Arrgggh...
Too many battles, too little time...

And why they are challenging Musashi into fight?
I think they are preparing a war with Tres Espana??

[Honda Futayo]

Sadly, someone pointed this out to me. Just how lonely Adele must get inside her suit of armor.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f77/Esoliken/Adele/1344392856468.jpg

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Arrgggh...
Too many battles, too little time...

And why they are challenging Musashi into fight?
I think they are preparing a war with Tres Espana??

If possible, if England manages to defeat Musashi (because they seem easy prey), they could obtain all of Musashi's resources for free.

Testament rules dictates that duels are allowed.

However, this is actually a loophole. You are not suppose to do this unless you have declared war. And so far only Spain have declare war with Musashi.

The barrier spells that bound the characters target government officers. But they accidentally dragged Gin into it because she is an officer too. Gin decided to fight the Half Wolf because she decided that they have broken Testament rules in fighting a secret war.

I consider it rather cute that Gin deliberately tried to make her husband look good. She described herself as "The wife of the strongest man in Spain". What she never told people is that she is stronger than him.

EDIT: I am amused at the "Fish And Chips". They got the chips right. But it appears they interpreted "Fish" as in the entire fish, head to tail. So they battered and fried the whole fish instead of filleting.

EDIT2: The fight underwater is interesting. Margot didn't actually fire energy beams this time; she actually fired blocks of solid ice. Guess it is more effective underwater.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Sadly, someone pointed this out to me. Just how lonely Adele must get inside her suit of armor.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f77/Esoliken/Adele/1344392856468.jpg

You know, when I first saw the episode without the English subs, I could have sworn I heard her say 'Otome Gamu'... >.>

[articuzwolf]

rewatched it using subs, suprisingly it wasn't that bad
so basically they are trying to obtain right to challenge Toori for duel?
well they're screwed if Toori had to battle any of those Trumps :heh:

Masazumi getting skewered by skeleton with skull death joke :heh:
Margot kicked someone ass again
Malga was bullied by a stupid Wolf until Gin came and save the day
Damn you Drake, Gentleman my a$$
and damn, couldn't wait for the continuation battle between F. Walsingham against Nate

I dislike battle between Ulqi and Nicholas Bacon and Futayo against Raleigh
because those were too short and gave you "what the heck" vibes

[FlavoryFantasy]

Adele's armor lol used as an emergency hideout for 2 people. Here I thought she had enough room for just herself in there.

The barrier spells that bound the characters target government officers. But they accidentally dragged Gin into it because she is an officer too.
Ah so that's why certain characters fought. I was wondering why Nicolas didn't just beat that lolicon there in a duel to get to Toori.

Margot in an underwater battle - that was interesting. Glad that she won, Hawkins was a strange one though, one heck of a swimmer battler too.
Malga vs Drake - At least Malga hurt him pretty good there.
Damn you drake...I hope Gin beats him badly.

Nate's going to have a hard time against Walsingham it seems. Disconnecting limbs, gravity manipulation, tough opponent there to go against.
Walter Raleigh vs Futayo a short but nice fight I guess. He had an interesting weapon there for sure though.

Christopher Hatton's self intro, was pretty amusing. :heh: I'm curious to see how Masazumi will win the duel she's in.

[Xacual]

Ah so that's why certain characters fought. I was wondering why Nicolas didn't just beat that lolicon there in a duel to get to Toori.



Lolicon isn't an officer of Musashi so it wouldn't matter. Malga, Margot, Tenzou, Ulki, Futayo, and Naomasa I believe are the 6 on the Chancellor group.

[sento]

Lolicon isn't an officer of Musashi so it wouldn't matter. Malga, Margot, Tenzou, Ulki, Futayo, and Naomasa I believe are the 6 on the Chancellor group.Yes, they are.

Vice Chancellor: Futayo Honda
1st Special Agent: Tenzou Crossunite
2nd Special Agent: Kiyonari Ulquiaga
3rd Special Agent: Margot Knight
4th Special Agent: Malga Naruze
5th Special Agent: Nate Mitotsudaira
6th Special Agent: Naomasa

[FlavoryFantasy]

Lolicon isn't an officer of Musashi so it wouldn't matter. Malga, Margot, Tenzou, Ulki, Futayo, and Naomasa I believe are the 6 on the Chancellor group.

Ah it wouldn't matter...
It does make sense they'd have to beat one of the officers to challenge Toori to a duel now that I think of it.

[Dark Wing]

Man being Malga is suffering...first her only real gets destroyed and now she has been reduced to the series whipping girl.:upset:

[Bombo]

I'm in rage mode after watching Malga vs drake ..He really pissed me off .

[~Yami~]

epic one! lots of battles!

Scarred-Tenzo, Toori-Horizon are enjoying their dates
Kimi and Asama are monitoring the battles
Ulqui has done a good job in dealing with the fairy
Naito also did a good battle with Walsingham
Masazumi is trolled by that skeleton guy.... now, who can help her?
Margot has a great victory
and Naruse, my favorite character in this season so far also did a good effort (her tactic is awesome)... Too bad it's not enough to defeat the wolf.... Thanks to Gin anyway

with this, Naruse has obtained her second defeat in row.... hopefully it will not bring her to despair mode

I think next episode will be focused on Tenzo-Scarred lady

[GenjiChan]

I demand more of Futayo versus Raleigh Showdown!!!!:frustrated:

:bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow:

[articuzwolf]

I understand if Trump attacking Musashi's Enforcer
but why that Skeleton attacked Masazumi as well :confused:
She's in student council, not an enforcer and definitely not a fighter :confused:

[sento]

I understand if Trump attacking Musashi's Enforcer
but why that Skeleton attacked Masazumi as well :confused:
She's in student council, not an enforcer and definitely not a fighter :confused:Well, Toori is not a fighter too and they want to fight him because of that.

Even so, Masazumi position as Vice President of the Council is important enough to be targeted, and between the members she's the weakest fighter so it's a smart move.

[articuzwolf]

Well, Toori is not a fighter too and they want to fight him because of that.

Even so, Masazumi position as Vice President of the Council is important enough to be targeted, and between the members she's the weakest fighter so it's a smart move.

but Toori is a Chancellor which make him Futayo's (Vice-Chancellor) and other Enforcers boss, so it is obvious that they're targeting Toori regardless how weak he is

Masazumi is in Student Council and they didn't bother to attack Neshinbara, Heidi and Shirojiro to get Toori

and if that's the case (attacking weak member of Musashi) they should just go and attack Nenji, Oshiroshiki, and other non-combatant type students, why bother targetting the enforcers in the first place

so far they're (Trump) only attacking Musashi Enforcers excluding (Tenzou and Naomasa) + Masazumi :uhoh:

[Xellos-_^]

but Toori is a Chancellor which make him Futayo's (Vice-Chancellor) and other Enforcers boss, so it is obvious that they're targeting Toori regardless how weak he is

if that's the case (attacking weak member of Musashi) they should just go and attack Nenji, Oshiroshiki, and other non-combatant type students

so far they're (Trump) only attacking Musashi Enforcers excluding (Tenzou and Naomasa) + Masazumi :uhoh:
are Neji, sline and the lolicon a part of the student council?

[Dark Wing]

If anyone is still wondering how Gin got trapped in the barrier as well it's simple when you think about it. When the barrier was casted anyone of officer rank is trapped but it was never said which nation the officer had to be from that's why she was able jump in and join the fight.

[articuzwolf]

are Neji, sline and the lolicon a part of the student council?

they are just examples for non-combatant type students

they didn't attack other student council member

Heidi and Shirojiro is being held by mountain of paperworks while Neshinbara is having scary date with Shakespeare in Comiket (?)

[sento]

Masazumi is in Student Council and they didn't bother to attack Neshinbara, Heidi and Shirojiro to get Toori,

and if that's the case (attacking weak member of Musashi) they should just go and attack Nenji, Oshiroshiki, and other non-combatant type students, why bother targetting the enforcers in the first place.Everyone in the Council and the Chancellor Board qualifies. Heidi and Shirojiro were "attacked" (more like Howard is wasting their times to not help in the duels), they are far stronger than Masazumi and she was alone, so she was an easier target.

[Dynellen]

but Toori is a Chancellor which make him Futayo's (Vice-Chancellor) and other Enforcers boss, so it is obvious that they're targeting Toori regardless how weak he is

Masazumi is in Student Council and they didn't bother to attack Neshinbara, Heidi and Shirojiro to get Toori

and if that's the case (attacking weak member of Musashi) they should just go and attack Nenji, Oshiroshiki, and other non-combatant type students, why bother targetting the enforcers in the first place

so far they're (Trump) only attacking Musashi Enforcers excluding (Tenzou and Naomasa) + Masazumi :uhoh:

They did move against Shirojiro+Heidi, they were swamped with paperwork so they couldn't move to help others. Neshinbara is held down by Shakespeare and going by the next episode preview that situation will be addressed in next ep.

[Kunagisa]

I'm in rage mode after watching Malga vs drake ..He really pissed me off .


I love Drake, he and his wife are like Niounomiya and Zerozaki and they are LITERALLY perfect for each other. Maa~ too bad they had to skim on the details so to add a little bit more:

There are many kind of serial killers, his wife is the kind that has an insane blood thirst, so much that if she can't cut people she would start cutting herself. What she did was she went to a rehab place called On・The・Cutting Board where Living Dead volunteers would come and get chopped, and they (not clear from the wording if it's the rehab people or she) also opened a meat shop there and it's exactly there that Drake propose while he's eating meat. It's hard for her to find a mate who can withstand getting stabbed and he wants to eat meat all the time. This works out perfect cause she is also a super M with self-hurt tendencies (so she doesn't mind being eaten) and he can withstand her physically brutality!!!

Truly one of the best couple in Horizon!!!
Besides, Naruze's moe point is getting her ass beat like Kuro in Saki http://i.imgur.com/Ekc8R.gif

Heidi and Shirojiro is being held by mountain of paperworks while Neshinbara is having scary date with Shakespeare in Comiket (?)

"Comiket" is an actual real event by the way; it's a Kawakami event (with focus on Horizon) that will take place for the 3rd time this October 8th (picture below's slightly outdated).

http://puu.sh/Q9j7
http://i.imgur.com/02pAQ.jpg

[Xellos-_^]

so kawakami is going to have his own booth?

[Cosmic Eagle]

"Comiket" is an actual real event by the way; it's a Kawakami event (with focus on Horizon) that will take place for the 3rd time this October 8th (picture below's slightly outdated).

http://puu.sh/Q9j7
http://i.imgur.com/02pAQ.jpg

Is this like Reitaisai is to Touhou?

Where's it held and when usually?

Oh my god, Sadagiri and Horizon....(*.*)

[ReinhartX]

DANCE.....REVOLUTION

srsly i think christopher is one of the most badass character ive seen in awhile

[Honda Futayo]

DANCE.....REVOLUTION

srsly i think christopher is one of the most badass character ive seen in awhile

"'Ave a nishe deaf!"

Not really sure how to type out that engrish.

[Dynellen]

"'Ave a nishe deaf!"

Not really sure how to type out that engrish.

What Engrish? It was some of the best English I've heard in ages in anime. I could perfectly understand the whole 'Ladies and gentlemen' etc. without subs. Walsingham on the other hand was pretty horrible.

[Suiri Megami Alice]

http://puu.sh/Q9j7
http://i.imgur.com/02pAQ.jpg
I actually got excited when I saw Sayama Mikoto there. The best protag Kawakami had created IMO. He has Masazumi's debating skill, Futayo's fighting skill, and probably more pervert than Toori.
Kawakami should write a OnC/KSnH crossover chapter just like what Kawahara Reki did to AW and SAO.

If I didn't see 近しき親交のための同人誌好事会 there, I would have thought 近親同好会 is about Incest Club.

Is this like Reitaisai is to Touhou?
Where's it held and when usually?
Yeah, I think it's like Reitaisai.

And looking at its homepage, the event date is October 10 and the meeting place will be 大田区産業プラザPIO. Wherever that is.

[Cosmic Eagle]

I actually got excited when I saw Sayama Mikoto there. The best protag Kawakami had created IMO. He has Masazumi's debating skill, Futayo's fighting skill, and probably more pervert than Toori.
Kawakami should write a OnC/KSnH crossover chapter just like what Kawahara Reki did to AW and SAO.

If I didn't see 近しき親交のための同人誌好事会 there, I would have thought 近親同好会 is about Incest Club.


Yeah, I think it's like Reitaisai.

And looking at its homepage, the event date is October 10 and the meeting place will be 大田区産業プラザPIO. Wherever that is.

While maintaining a straight face throughout www

It's an annual event is it? Might plan for it next year if it is so...

[Suiri Megami Alice]

While maintaining a straight face throughout www

It's an annual event is it? Might plan for it next year if it is so...
Yeah. My personal favorite was his straight face as he yanks Setsuna's chinchin. I almost died laughing there. :D

I think it's bi-annual. The last meeting was held April this year (http://ketto.com/sf/forth2circle.htm).

[Kunagisa]

I actually got excited when I saw Sayama Mikoto there. The best protag Kawakami had created IMO. He has Masazumi's debating skill, Futayo's fighting skill, and probably more pervert than Toori.

Heh, I finally have an excuse to post this!
http://i.imgur.com/9oseb.png

As the guy who dethroned I-chan and broke his would be 3rd year reign for the favorite male character spot on Kono Light Novel Sugoi, there's no doubt that Mikoto is the best character that Kawakami constructed. Mikoto's character progression seems pretty impressive as indicated by his steady increase in ranking from 2005 (3rd) and moving up one spot every year. Maa~ to prevent from getting off topic too much, let's just say I would kill to see a Kiryuu animated in Horizon (wiki says they still exist in GENESIS (http://www15.atwiki.jp/ahead-ticket/pages/151.html)!!!).

[Cosmic Eagle]

Dethroned I-chan.....

Then why the heck isn't OnC more popular (´Д｀)