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lighter junkie
2003-11-03, 18:18
Argh, since fansub group is one of the most important factors that i look for when i decide to donwload an anime, so i guess this section should be really useful. and more importantly, not completely EMPTY. since i really liked this part of the forum. damn it!
anyhow, i just realized today that anime junkies have been taken out of the group list from the official animesuki website. just wondering if anyone know what happened. they used to....like, release a lot of eps on a daily basis, does it have to do with their violating the licensing rights or something? just curious.
anyhow, i just realized today that anime junkies have been taken out of the group list from the official animesuki website. just wondering if anyone know what happened. they used to....like, release a lot of eps on a daily basis, does it have to do with their violating the licensing rights or something? just curious.
<checks>
They're still there...
http://www.animesuki.com/group.php/24.html
--
-billy-
lighter junkie
2003-11-03, 18:37
<checks>
They're still there...
http://www.animesuki.com/group.php/24.html
--
-billy-
Sorry sorry, must be my eyes, have been watching too much and sleeping too little. anyhow, their site was made for registered users only when I last checked. so i went to check on animesuki and missed ajunkies. don't mind don't mind.
by the way, anyone knows why the change on the aj web?
biscuitless
2003-11-16, 22:25
i was wondering the same thing.
CompShrink
2003-11-17, 04:43
You also can't join their chan, on aniverse (watch out if you have autorejoin on and try this).
They're dead.
EDIT: Ok, well more like in a coma that seems like it will last till their death...
Esperchld
2003-11-17, 05:09
Ah yes, things are looking up in the world. No new torrents listed for AJ since like June. I wonder if this means that we will never have to see them around here again.
Actually their last torrent was from late October, but their public
torrents on www.h3r0.net seem to have dissappeared. And as
thus none of the links were working, we've disabled them. Now
three days later those links are also no longer shown, so the
only torrents available are those who were posted on different sites
ages ago.
NoSanninWa
2003-11-17, 11:29
It is looking possible that AJ has expired when we stopped looking at them. It would be a shame, after all, without AJ who would we have to kick and heap abuse upon? :p
I heard their translator (keep in mind they have like one) for their Korean -> English went on vacation. So They have no means of releasing without the translator. Just a rumor I heard.
Oh don't worry. These groups that have popped up and started subbing naruto are probably just as bad as AJ was.
NoSanninWa
2003-11-17, 20:24
Yeah, some of them are, but they only release one show and there is a good, fast alternative. Quite simply that makes them very easy to ignore.
It is looking possible that AJ has expired when we stopped looking at them. It would be a shame, after all, without AJ who would we have to kick and heap abuse upon? :p
Oh, there are tons of existing groups to kick and heap abuse at that do multiple series and have no ethics or value in their subs. There is no shortage of crap out there now.
Lord Raiden
2003-11-18, 02:01
This might sound like a stupid question, but whatever happened to AJ? AKA Anime Junkies? All torrents for them, and any listing of their group is gone from the site and I can't find any evidence of them anywhere on the net anymore. Did something happen to them that I missed? Just curious.
NoSanninWa
2003-11-18, 02:29
Lord Raiden: Your question is already being discussed under the unlikely name of READ ME! i'm a slim jim. Since that was such a useless thread title I've decided to merge it with your thread. Please look above your post for the answer to the question.
^danshi^
2003-11-18, 16:47
Maybe they were shut down by the industry?
Anlushac11
2003-11-18, 18:22
I for one am sad to see them go.
They were my main supplier of Happy Lesson Advance and Scrapped Princess til I found this site.
Since I started watching fansubs when you were happy to have a subtitle at all, I am not as unforgiving of mistakes in translation. Releasing liscensed stuff I dont agree with but I was happy to have them doing titles I liked.
Heres one person who will miss them.
They were my main supplier of Happy Lesson Advance and Scrapped Princess til I found this site.
Ah, yes, AnimeJunkies, main supplier of people who don't know any better.
You also can't join their chan, on aniverse (watch out if you have autorejoin on and try this).
This must have been very recent... just a few days ago, I think right before GSG 4 came out, I joined their channel and asked if they were going to release GSG 2 before Seichi finished the series. The channel was totally dead, so I just left.
biscuitless
2003-11-19, 00:17
I for one am sad to see them go.
Heres one person who will miss them.
i really enjoyed thier subs too, but then again i was new to anime over the net. i think it is wrong for a group that people knows about to produce subbed anime that is liscenced. but the eventually took it off. i thought they were good episodes (the ones they did) and i still do.
I love it. You're only post is bashing AJ.
Anyway, good riddance.
Ah, yes, AnimeJunkies, main supplier of people who don't know any better.
You also can't join their chan, on aniverse (watch out if you have autorejoin on and try this).
This must have been very recent... just a few days ago, I think right before GSG 4 came out, I joined their channel and asked if they were going to release GSG 2 before Seichi finished the series. The channel was totally dead, so I just left.
they are no longer on aniverse... but on mirc-x now... tho, I do wish they were dead instead... :(
Village Idiot
2003-11-25, 01:22
Anyone notice that soon after they stopped subbing Gundam Seed they just sort of died?
Anyone notice that soon after they stopped subbing Gundam Seed they just sort of died?
Pretty much. It was their most popular series by a longshot.
They'd definately lost their habit of fast releasing, which took away any reason for people to get an AJ release.
Ya know, in defense of A-J, they WERE very prompt with Gundam Seed, and despite them taking liberties with weird translations ("nani yo" translated to "what words?"), they still did a good job. I mean, they didn't translate EXACTLY what was there, but they did put things in context for the general public. It's just weird for someone who does speak Japanese to read the subs and be all "the HELL?! That's NOT what Kira/Asuran/Fllay/Lacus/Kagari said!!!"
Also, no one talked in the chatrooms. Kind of offputting that they had like 50 million people and it was dead silent.
thats too bad I kinda got used to AJ being around I use to dl their releases of Happy Lesson Advance, until they kinda fell behind. O well im sure another fansubbing group well take its place, since like 10+ new fansub groups started poping up. I still have no idea why ppl were bashing them, hmm.....
I still have no idea why ppl were bashing them, hmm.....
Because they are scum.
*Spit*
Good riddance.
I still have no idea why people were bashing them either. I only watched their Gundam Seed, but before I watched it, I'd heard so many bad things about them (especially the infamous mass naked child events incident) that I was quite dreading the experience. The relief I got from watching almost-normal subs (a few dodgy bits, though) was immense. I think they just happened to get such a reputation for bad work that after while people just automatically bashed them without actually bothering to watch their work. If they are dead, then they can rest in peace.
I still have no idea why people were bashing them either. I only watched their Gundam Seed, but before I watched it, I'd heard so many bad things about them (especially the infamous mass naked child events incident) that I was quite dreading the experience. The relief I got from watching almost-normal subs (a few dodgy bits, though) was immense. I think they just happened to get such a reputation for bad work that after while people just automatically bashed them without actually bothering to watch their work. If they are dead, then they can rest in peace.
Beating a dead horse isnt fun, and their average episode contained 15 errors of any type, throw in shitty typesetting, korean scripts and shitty encodes, and there is enough. And i agree with spyre, they are dead, *the crowd cheers*, ok, next group to bash is....
Beating a dead horse isnt fun, and their average episode contained 15 errors of any type, throw in shitty typesetting, korean scripts and shitty encodes, and there is enough. And i agree with spyre, they are dead, *the crowd cheers*, ok, next group to bash is....
you guys sound so ungrateful, please keep in mind AJ was fansubbing these anime shows for the fans, they didn't have to. I agree they have made mistakes maybe a lot but why do you have to bash them so much when they do this for free and not for profit. I heard about the imfamous naked child event incident but I think that was the fault of one disgruntle memeber of that group and not AJ as a whole. I know I sound like im defending AJ but this AJ bashing needs to stop because I know how hard it is to fansub a single anime episode with my friend, we tried and failed.
Firebrand
2003-11-25, 05:01
from fansubber to fans
good riddance
alot more with AJ behind the scenes that people don't know about and that most of us aren't going to bother discussing
ok whatever Mr. Fansubber...... :frustrated: care to enlighten me
Tofusensei
2003-11-25, 05:20
That's the thing...
They weren't fansubbing for the fans, they were fansubbing for themselves. period.
Their only goal was to pack as many leechers into their channel as possible, and they'd resort to any method to do it. This is why they would pick up every single high profile series, cut every single corner when subbing it (since many of their translations came from pre-timed Korean scripts, they didn't have to actually time the eps, and since the translator was unable to do a proper translation of the japanese theme songs, they would just skip the OP/ED typesetting all together, all while more respectable groups were doing nice intro + ending karaoke sequences, etc..)
All this was done with the goal of releasing every project before every other group. Leechers are dumb, and don't notice (care?) about translation/editing errors, for the most part, so this is why they never got the bad rep with the fans, because from the leecher prospective, AJ was the best thing that ever happened to them. It was only other fansub groups who were directly hurt by having projects that AJ competed with them with where they got the evil reputation.
So, understand why so many people don't like AJ. Also, I don't need to get into their blatant disrespect for english-language licenses, do I? So basically the dumb leechers love AJ, the fansubbers hate them, and the industry despises them. That's why they have a bad rep.
-Tofu
Thanks for replying Tofu but I was really looking forward to what Firebrand had to say. I think I understand now thanks to you explaining it, I hate when ppl bash someone/something when they don't explain why.
they would just skip the OP/ED typesetting all together, all while more respectable groups were doing nice intro + ending karaoke sequences, etc..)
You forgot paste their names over the japanese creators names as if they were more important.
and "dont care" is the correct choice.
Enragin_Angel
2003-11-25, 07:11
AJ just had a lack of respect for everyone. They had a lack of respect for anime companies(eg. the UV incident), they lacked a respect for the author by botching everything up with poor translations(eg. mass naked...) and bad encoding etc..., and they lacked respect for the fans because they obviously thought the leechers were too stupid to figure it out.
It was only other fansub groups who were directly hurt by having projects that AJ competed with them with where they got the evil reputation.
Okay, I don't know anything about fansubbing and I admit it, but how would a fansub group be "hurt" by another group fansubbing before them? I mean, they're doing it for free, so it's not like AJ is taking their profits or anything, right? You mean their feelings would be hurt? I don't get it.
dont forget were labeled as the dumb leechers, so we wouldn't understand. To the fansub groups it meant more to them, then what it was to us the fans. To other fansub groups AJ wasn't following the so called Ethics and morals. So I guess the most pissed of ppl are the fansub subbers and the corporations that license anime not the fans. I can sorta understand how they feel.
edit: dont mind me I dont know what the hell im saying...im tired im going to bed now
Tofusensei
2003-11-25, 07:37
Because when you put a lot of work and time and energy into something only to have it passed over by 90+% of leechers because someone took a pre-timed korean script, translated it into english with minimal work, cut every corner possible, and released it before your version... It does hurt. It makes you feel inferior.
The fault is really to blame with the mindless leechers... AJ was just exploiting that "phenomenon".
We wouldn't try and release the most polished, best version we can if we weren't planning on having it seen by the public.
Also, AJ is directly responsible for a general lower quality in translation of fansubs than there would be if they didn't force so many other groups to have to release faster if they even wanted a chance of getting a decent percentage of downloaders. If no one watched my fansubs, I wouldn't fansub. I'd say the same is true for 99% of subbers.
-Tofu
Oh, that was interesting. So AJ hurts their egos, mm that's gotta hurt. :p I'd better stop before I get labelled an AJ-lover; it's not like I ever even knew any of them. :heh: It's just that to this day, I still don't see what the fuss was about AJ. If someone won't download your fansub, that doesn't make them "dumb" or "mindless." They have their own selection criteria for fansubs, you have your own.
Tofusensei
2003-11-25, 14:23
It does hurt. The worst is when you really fall in love with a series, and you watch as parts of the story and dialog get butchered by them so the vast majority of the fans watching it don't appreciate the story as much as you know they could.
It's more than egos, it makes people rethink why they sub at all. Speedsubbing sucks, ask just about every fansubber :P
-Tofu
And I say mindless leechers because they tend to not care about the quality of what they download.
It does hurt. The worst is when you really fall in love with a series, and you watch as parts of the story and dialog get butchered by them so the vast majority of the fans watching it don't appreciate the story as much as you know they could.
It's more than egos, it makes people rethink why they sub at all. Speedsubbing sucks, ask just about every fansubber :P
-Tofu
And I say mindless leechers because they tend to not care about the quality of what they download.
Wow, that is an insightful post. Maybe I should put it in my signature.
The reason I hate them is because they dont care whatsoever about the anime at all, they just care about themselves, and the size of their channel. Their neverending releasing of licensed material (GITS, SEED, etc etc), combined with their Urban Vision incident makes all this more apparent. They are nothing more than a bunch of warez kiddies.
*waits for idiot AJ-supporters to claim they do respect the American anime community*
Enragin_Angel
2003-11-25, 20:26
At the end of their demise...they attempted to produce decent quality fansubs...and they accomplished it with about the same amount of mistakes any other average group makes. But because they were aiming for quality...it deeply cut into their speed release schedule and they eventually self-destructed.
It does hurt. The worst is when you really fall in love with a series, and you watch as parts of the story and dialog get butchered by them so the vast majority of the fans watching it don't appreciate the story as much as you know they could.
It's more than egos, it makes people rethink why they sub at all. Speedsubbing sucks, ask just about every fansubber :P
-Tofu
And I say mindless leechers because they tend to not care about the quality of what they download.
--------For your information, not all leechers are mindless and dumb. Your generalization is terrible. I for one know quality and pick and choose what I download from which fansubber. You should be more confident and proud of your works than that.
Grifis
Tofusensei
2003-11-25, 22:53
Umm, I wasn't saying all leechers are mindless and dumb. There are different types of leechers, and the mindless variety is one of the types (and sadly, there seems to be a lot of this type) :P
Don't misinterpret what I am saying ^_^;;;
-Tofu
NoSanninWa
2003-11-26, 03:55
I'd like to say something about AJ's brand of speed subbing that always irritated me. They would put out the first 4 episodes of a show with lightning speed. They'd sub the episode within two days of its airing. Then they'd ignore the show while the other groups slowly catch up. Finally, about 2 weeks after AJ had finished episode 4, another group finally subs that episode.
Then AJ subs episodes 5 and 6 in a two day span, followed quickly by episode 7. Now the other groups are 3 weeks behind and once again AJ stops subbing until another group has gotten up to episode 7. Guess what happens then? AJ promptly picks up the project again.
It was as if the speed wasn't really important to them. All they cared about was being one up on the other subbers. They were content to ignore a project for week after week until someone got close to them. Then they were off in a flash without ever getting passed.
That's an example of how the lacked respect for other subbers and for other fans. All they cared about was beating the competition, not the anime or the fans.
LordBrian
2003-11-26, 13:47
--------For your information, not all leechers are mindless and dumb. Your generalization is terrible. I for one know quality and pick and choose what I download from which fansubber. You should be more confident and proud of your works than that.
Grifis
Then you're clearly one of the few discriminating leechers who chose not to download AJ releases, so obviously Tofu's comments weren't directed at you. You should be more confident and less defensive than that.
And I say mindless leechers because they tend to not care about the quality of what they download.
--------For your information, not all leechers are mindless and dumb. Your generalization is terrible. I for one know quality and pick and choose what I download from which fansubber. You should be more confident and proud of your works than that.
Grifis
He specified Mindless leechers, so that means that it doesn't apply to the non-mindless leechers.
Hurrah, my nested quotes actually worked!
Then you're clearly one of the few discriminating leechers who chose not to download AJ releases, so obviously Tofu's comments weren't directed at you. You should be more confident and less defensive than that.
------I didn't know that leechers were specified in different groups like 'mindless leechers', 'non-mindless leecher' or whatever. I guess I'm fairly new to this 'language' here. When I see 'leechers are dumb' and 'mindless leechers', I can't help but think that he's blanketing the whole leechers population hence the comment.
Grifis
------I didn't know that leechers were specified in different groups like 'mindless leechers', 'non-mindless leecher' or whatever. I guess I'm fairly new to this 'language' here. When I see 'leechers are dumb' and 'mindless leechers', I can't help but think that he's blanketing the whole leechers population hence the comment.
Grifis
Leech is a fairly indefinte term. The actual meaning is derived from the context. If you are offended by the word leecher it's only if you interpret it's meaning to mean you as well.
biscuitless
2003-11-28, 14:16
ok, ok. ive been reading this and i have been asking myself, what is the imfamous naked child event? hopefully, it is about some anime and not any pedophile kinda thing, cause that is just wrong. answer this, and this could sway my opinion of liking anime junkies. by the way, the other good release they had was get backers.
ok, ok. ive been reading this and i have been asking myself, what is the imfamous naked child event? hopefully, it is about some anime and not any pedophile kinda thing, cause that is just wrong. answer this, and this could sway my opinion of liking anime junkies. by the way, the other good release they had was get backers.
In Anime Junkies' sub of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex episode 16, they completely mistranslated the Korean of one script as "Are you aware of the frequent occurrences of the mass naked child events within the country?". This has often been used as an argument against fansubbing in general by people who don't like the fansub community, to show how badly translated all fansubs are.
boneyjellyfish
2003-11-28, 23:37
Wow! Lots of AJ-bashing going on in this thread, nothing different from the usual...
Anyway, I'm going to take my usual stance on this issue: Anime Junkies eventually became a good fansub group. Around late July or August, when the summer series began to air, barely anybody downloaded any of their releases. I, however, was still somebody who sampled their work along with most of the other groups. I tried every group that was doing Onegai Twins and I found their version to be beaten only by Lunar anime (though this is just my opinion), putting it quite a bit above the zillion other groups that were doing it. After the first episode, I waited for their release of the second episode, then their third episode. It wasn't until the fourth episode that they failed to deliver within five days, so I downloaded the Lunar version and stayed with that until the very end. Unfortunately, AnimeJunkies never really did anything after that.
The other summer series that they did, Happy Lesson Advance, was also very comparable to Anime-Keep's release of it, and I followed that until they stopped releasing it as well, which was around episode 5. I don't know what Anime-Keep is doing with the series now because they haven't released an episode in well over a month. I hope that series didn't end up like Anime Junkies.
If AnimeJunkies were still around, I'd probably check out their versions just like I always have. However, I'm disgusted by the treatment some of you guys are giving them, especially those of you who gave their releases no chance at all, even though the quality was pretty damn good. Tell me, if they were the only group subbing a series, would you still refuse to download it? That doesn't sound like what a true anime fan to me... you posers! :D
DekaMaster
2003-11-28, 23:50
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If AnimeJunkies were still around, I'd probably check out their versions just like I always have. However, I'm disgusted by the treatment some of you guys are giving them, especially those of you who gave their releases no chance at all, even though the quality was pretty damn good. Tell me, if they were the only group subbing a series, would you still refuse to download it? That doesn't sound like what a true anime fan to me... you posers! :D
When AJ was the only group doing Gravion i bought the HK's of it.
boneyjellyfish
2003-11-28, 23:58
When AJ was the only group doing Gravion i bought the HK's of it.
Wait a second... you paid money to watch Gravion? BWAHAHAHAHA!
I'm disgusted by the treatment some of you guys are giving them, especially those of you who gave their releases no chance at all
Not everyone has enough time to watch 5 different subs of the same show. So, naturally we go with the groups we know are good. Why take a chance with AJ? The only thing AJ had to begin with was their speed. They lacked their speed on most of the summer releases so the only group who really cared for their subs, (The mad mindless leechers) decided that they can go to hell.
Tell me, if they were the only group subbing a series, would you still refuse to download it?
Yes I would refuse to Download it, but that arguement is rather irelevant because they usually only subbed the popular shows, the shows that the mad mindless leechers would wanna watch. I don't think AJ even considered Massugu Ni Ikou. Lunar though is working on a sub of it right now.
That doesn't sound like what a true anime fan to me... you posers! :D
Typical AJ fanboi tactics. Trying to insult us and be-little us.
I'm suprised no one has used the lame "OMG IT IS FREE STUFF J00 SHOULD STOP TEH COMPLAINZ0ring!" argument. Which is a rahter pathetic arguement. What about volunteers? Do they do a half assed job? or the UN, they shouldn't have to do a good job because they don't get payed? Plenty of stuff in the world is free, and we still expect quality from it, why should anime fansubs be any different?
FinFangFoom
2003-11-29, 00:22
or the UN, they shouldn't have to do a good job because they don't get payed?
I thought that was the case. :p
Actually I think it really is hard to bash someone who does something for free. And if Anime Junkies really where just leecher whores why did they never pick up Naruto? I think everyone would have to agree that it is the number one leeched anime of all time. But overall I worry to much about getting the best versions of each episode that I can't bring myself to check out a group with a bad rep over a well established group. (Someone called AnimeKeep the new AnimeJunkies in another thread, now im nervous about getting their peacemaker). Although I do download the first version of anything that comes out just in case it gets licensed before my favored group releases. Although I dont watch it untill I get the one I want. Man im paranoid. :p
boneyjellyfish
2003-11-29, 00:33
Typical AJ fanboi tactics. Trying to insult us and be-little us.
Oh noooo, I've been called an AJ "fanboi" by JAppi! My life is over! *cry* JAppi, I expected better from you. Actually, that's a lie. JAppi, you used stock responses to me, and those are typical tactics of an anti-AJ "fanboi".
By the way, what is your point anyway? Are you trying to make yourself look big by doing the exact act that you are saying is wrong? Belittling people from AnimeJunkies is okay, but as soon as they criticize somebody else it's wrong? What kind of twisted logic is that, anyway? I don't mind if I'm being called an AJ "fanboi" by the likes of you, however, I DO mind if my criticism is thrown away just because I show some support for AnimeJunkies.
In my crazy world, everybody deserves a second chance. I didn't care for AnimeJunkies when the whole Ninja Scroll atrocity happened, and I laughed when I saw the mistranslation for Mass Naked Child Events. However, when the new season came around, I gave them their second chance and I didn't regret my decision to do so for an instant. They delivered with good fansubs, and it's people like you who don't give them that second chance that I don't like.
Furthermore, I have no conclusion to make... oh wait, I just thought of something. I don't really care about AnimeJunkies the group, all I care about is the sweet, sweet fansubs. If the subs are high quality, then I don't give a rat's ass about who puts the damn words in it. If there are two groups doing a series, and one is doing a cruddy job on it while AJ is doing a fantastic job on it, I'm going to download the AnimeJunkies version. If it's of a higher quality, then I'm going to damn well get it. If they continue to release quality fansubs, then I don't care what the hell they did in the past. For me, they're the best out there and I'm not going to force myself to put up with a piece of crap just because I don't agree with the group's morality.
JAppi, I expected better from you.
Uhh, if you ever go on #animesuki, you should know better than to expect anything polite from JAppi, other than him not insulting you. ;) Well, actually, he did compliment me in the how-are-fansubs-made thread, but that's because I was trolling :p
However, when the new season came around, I gave them their second chance and I didn't regret my decision to do so for an instant.
AnimeJunkies should have disbanded for disgracing the fansubbing community, period. Their subs sucked enough for people to take notice, and they ridiculed the R1 licensing companies. There was no good reason for them to continue.
boneyjellyfish
2003-11-29, 00:49
JAppi, I expected better from you.Uhh, if you ever go on #animesuki, you should know better than to expect anything polite from JAppi, other than him not insulting you. ;)
Hmm... perhaps you should include the full quote?
JAppi, I expected better from you. Actually, that's a lie.
Zing!
AnimeJunkies should have disbanded for disgracing the fansubbing community, period. Their subs sucked enough for people to take notice, and they ridiculed the R1 licensing companies. There was no good reason for them to continue.
Their subs DID get better, but they were already shunned by the community so much that it just wasn't worth it anymore, it would seem.
When AJ was the only group doing Gravion i bought the HK's of it.
I'm surprised noone took up this comment yet, so I suppose I will. As bad as AJ may seem, they are infinitely better than buying the HK versions. Let me explain why:
Hong Kong pirates blatantly steal the episodes, slap them on a dvd and sell them for 90% profit margins. Every single cent they make goes in their pockets. Its like stealing directly from the anime producers, and is a widespread problem in Asia. By buying from the HK dealers, you're directly helping to support their illegal industry.
At least AJ doesnt charge money for their subs.
HK dvds should not be bought unless there are absolutely no other alternatives. (Fansubs don't exist and the dvds aren't released in Japan r2).
DekaMaster
2003-11-29, 05:19
I'm surprised noone took up this comment yet, so I suppose I will. As bad as AJ may seem, they are infinitely better than buying the HK versions. Let me explain why:
Hong Kong pirates blatantly steal the episodes, slap them on a dvd and sell them for 90% profit margins. Every single cent they make goes in their pockets. Its like stealing directly from the anime producers, and is a widespread problem in Asia. By buying from the HK dealers, you're directly helping to support their illegal industry.
At least AJ doesnt charge money for their subs.
HK dvds should not be bought unless there are absolutely no other alternatives. (Fansubs don't exist and the dvds aren't released in Japan r2).
I guess from the two responses to this around here,that unless emoticons are used,Sarcasm is lost on people :/
LordBrian
2003-11-29, 11:32
Their subs DID get better, but they were already shunned by the community so much that it just wasn't worth it anymore, it would seem.
If that's the case, then perhaps they should ditch the AJ name altogether and start a new group, one without the terrible reputation AJ already has. After all, since they're not leech whores, they won't care about starting fresh, right?
boneyjellyfish
2003-11-29, 11:46
I guess from the two responses to this around here,that unless emoticons are used,Sarcasm is lost on people :/
Unless you tell us it's sarcasm, it's virtually impossible for us to tell that you're being sarcastic. It just doesn't work over the internet, buddy.
Why doesn't AJ just change their name to something different? That's all they really have to do. Not many people actually pay attention to the fansub credits.
It would appear that AJ is not dead, They just released a chrno crusade sub.
I will admit competition is good but when everyone is releasing crappy quick and thai hooker subs the whole competition idea is kinda lost.
maxthelostboy
2003-11-29, 16:45
2003-11-29 Chrno Crusade 1 AnimeJunkies
they are back! If they are better who knows but this ep has been out for days whos gonna download their version?
I'm dling it. Just to see if Boneyjellyfish's claim that they have gotten better holds any water.
:( Their sub doesn't have any karaoke in the opening... I like watching the openings... :eyespin:
DekaMaster
2003-11-29, 18:22
:( Their sub doesn't have any karaoke in the opening... I like watching the openings... :eyespin:
AJ was never really big on karaoke
I'm surprised noone took up this comment yet, so I suppose I will. As bad as AJ may seem, they are infinitely better than buying the HK versions. Let me explain why:
Hong Kong pirates blatantly steal the episodes, slap them on a dvd and sell them for 90% profit margins. Every single cent they make goes in their pockets. Its like stealing directly from the anime producers, and is a widespread problem in Asia. By buying from the HK dealers, you're directly helping to support their illegal industry.
At least AJ doesnt charge money for their subs.
HK dvds should not be bought unless there are absolutely no other alternatives. (Fansubs don't exist and the dvds aren't released in Japan r2).
I did not know that. Here, VCD stores are practically selling Fansub versions as vcds. Fansubbed Chobits now cost US$37.40 for VCD version.
Well after watching AJ's version, I can say that there version isn't signifigantly worse then anyone else's sub, although I'm not very observant.
their subs beats those naruto subbers's sub.
I'm no expert on it but after comparing it to the other's subs the picture quality looks like it's better, but I'm no expert on these things.
So BoneyJellyfish you are correct AJ isn't that bad.
Everyone will shun AJ though. Perhaps they should sub some of those older shows that no one else will sub. Maybe some one should point them to the top 10 shows that need to be subbed thread. If they sub one of those and do a semi-decent job their public image might make a turn around.
LordBrian
2003-11-29, 23:32
Or maybe they should finish one of the dozens of other shows they started but never finished, rather than jumping on the recent bandwagon of oversubbing CC.
PocariSweat
2003-11-30, 00:48
Unless you tell us it's sarcasm, it's virtually impossible for us to tell that you're being sarcastic. It just doesn't work over the internet, buddy.
Yeah, I tell you - those folks like Jonathan Swift and Mark Twain just didn't get it. I've tried to convince my English teacher that for that the written literature of last few hundred years should be thrown out! After all those lame authors never used a single emoticon! What were they thinking!?? As you say, it's impossible to convey subtle emotions like sarcasm and irony without whacking readers over the head with typographical clue-sticks. :) :) :)
Shenlong
2003-11-30, 05:06
hmm.. AJ just released Airmaster 19, looks like they are back and active. It'll be interesting to see if they're still bashed even if their quality has increased. It'll be interesting to see how many mindless sheep are are still on the Mock AJ bandwagon.
Yeah, I tell you - those folks like Jonathan Swift and Mark Twain just didn't get it. I've tried to convince my English teacher that for that the written literature of last few hundred years should be thrown out! After all those lame authors never used a single emoticon! What were they thinking!?? As you say, it's impossible to convey subtle emotions like sarcasm and irony without whacking readers over the head with typographical clue-sticks. :) :) :)
Take a look at what he wrote and tell us how you can interpret that as sarcasm without being told.
And besides that, Swift and Twain rarely used sarcasm as a literary device. They were more prone to use irony and hyperbolae (sp?). I can't think of any uses of sarcasm off the top of my head right now.
Sarcasm is more of a gag used conversationally. The problem was presented during the days of the telegraph that they were talking conversationally, but could not show that they were only kidding. Thus, the smiley was invented.
(I'm not joking this time ;) )
PocariSweat
2003-11-30, 17:02
And besides that, Swift and Twain rarely used sarcasm as a literary device. They were more prone to use irony and hyperbolae (sp?). I can't think of any uses of sarcasm off the top of my head right now.
See that's exactly my point! They didn't use any simlies or <sarcasm></sarcasm> tags so you quite understandably missed their sarcastic jibes at the powers that be (or powers that were). :) :) :)
When literary folks write stuff like...
The ironical humor running through these essays frequently became, when he dealt with subjects on which he felt keenly, incredibly savage and at times extremely coarse; but for the power of his invective and the effectiveness of his sarcasm there is hardly a parallel in the language. (English Essays: Sidney to Macaulay.The Harvard Classics. 1909-14.)
They're clearly showing just their own ignorance of sarcasm's inherent dependance on ASCII art. I'm glad I finally found someone who agrees! :)
So you're right it's completely impossible to tell that the parent post was being sarcastic. When someone uses emoticons you can be 100% sure not to take them seriously - right? :)
For those of you who dont know about the AJ-UV incident
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/editorial.php?id=43
Thelastguardian
2003-12-01, 01:03
Well I guess I cant resist sharing my experience...(and no I am not AJ lover)
I never got to know anything about mass naked child inceident or anything (I pretty much stopped having anything to do with anime started from chobits ending(Oct 2002?) to the initial release of Onegai Twins(somehwhere around August this year), so I cant say much about all the bashing of AJ (I completely missed the starting point). But of course they must did some pretty nasty thing to upset this many people...
If anyone care I will tell you my run-in with AJ a bit more than a year ago (back when no one cares to bash AJ)....
I had been downloading anime since those initial d subs (you no the one that are about 250*100 pixels), so I pretty much watched all the major groups of today grow from 500 to 2000+(aone, akeep, anbu, etc.) . I especially liked to be AJ because they got some pretty intesting people inside at all time.... Then the founder of AJ (killshok or something) started banning anyone for no given explantions(around Aug. 2002). Everyone(included the ops at AJ) thought he was going crazy, but because he was the founder no one could do anything. We even came to the conclusion he banned people who were on Shaw (ISP) or Anime-Fury (rival chobits subbing group). needless to say I fell victum to his "rampage", but there are always some nice mod who are nice enough to unban me, but I finally got piss after the fifth time (yes I am that forgiving) and swore to one of the op I will never set foot again to AJ's channel.
I still watched AJ sub series from time to time, and I am sorry to say that to a certain extent I find the old AJ's subbing are far superior to the new ones. But you shouldn't bash someone who are doing subbing for free, and I don't think the whole AJ crews are the Borg Collective to take over the anime universe. If you don't like AJ, fine I have no opinion, but please don't act like whoever is in AJ is evil.
PS
And also leechers are mindless. I did an experiment with a whole lot of them a few years ago, I put the phase "/me is a copy n' paste freak" into one of my trigger when an esp was release into a 1000+ group :D, and sure enough the channel was filled with the "phase" (until someone ask me to stop). Seeing how the common rule "the bigger the population is, the lower the general intelligence is of the group" work, I have to say they are pretty dumb.
For those of you who dont know about the AJ-UV incident
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/editorial.php?id=43
Well, I guess AJ got what they deserved. I never knew that they were this rude in the first place. I wish that they will learn to get some manners though... :frustrated:
But you shouldn't bash someone who are doing subbing for free.
Read the damn thread... especially the post directly above yours.
Thelastguardian
2003-12-01, 02:05
I read the posts above already.
From what i remember groups used to say "we sub to let all the anime-lovers to enjoy the show", I don't remember pride had anything to do with it.
Yes I know each group has its pride but objectively speaking its up to the watchers to decide if they like a group or not. Not you, me or anyone else. If they like the crappy subs fine let them be but don't say things like "I don't like because they put out crappy esp faster than anyone else and this bruise my pride"or they have bad attitude.(no flame intended)
I think whats left of AJ should regroup and change their name because AJ name is ruined, they have a bad repuatation and anything they sub even if its good as the other fansubbing groups is going to be dismissed by ppl who have heard of their rep. Now that AJ is apperantly back from the grave I wonder if ppl will still dl their releases.
I think whats left of AJ should regroup and change their name because AJ name is ruined, they have a bad repuatation and anything they sub even if its good as the other fansubbing groups is going to be dismissed by ppl who have heard of their rep. Now that AJ is apperantly back from the grave I wonder if ppl will still dl their releases.
Yeah, man... After reading the info in the link, I will think twice before downloading their subs even though I used to be 'download whatever that has the most seeds' anime otaku.
I feel that a fansubber should have pride in what a fansubber is doing. Do it for fans and do what's right.
First of all, every group from the very beginning knew how to exploit the users and get a giant following of fools. It's not rocket science. But what kept anyone from doing it was the pride they had in their own releases, making things they'd feel proud to show to friends that don't know the language, then letting the leechers have them as a little secondary bonus. The fact that AJ defecated on that unwritten rule-book will haunt them for as long as they're still active, and people will be saying "Oh, he pulled an AJ, let's put his testicles in his eye sockets~" for years to come.
I still watched AJ sub series from time to time, and I am sorry to say that to a certain extent I find the old AJ's subbing are far superior to the new ones.
Most of the members that were with AJ in 2002 got fed up with Killshok and left to form XenonFansubs. They're a good group churning out things like PPY (although very slowly), so check their stuff out if you liked their old 2002 work.
stsaturn
2003-12-05, 04:56
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It is looking possible that AJ has expired when we stopped looking at them. It would be a shame, after all, without AJ who would we have to kick and heap abuse upon?
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DekaMaster
2003-12-05, 11:19
You shall be sorely missed. NOT
While I have no love for AJ,the mods here do seem to be pretty biased when it comes to some things. Not that that is a bad thing since this is not a news site.
I don't see the mods here saying anything that an informed fan wouldn't say. If they bash something, you can be pretty sure that those people/groups deserve to be bashed. I mean come on, it's not like animesuki is going around spreading lies or anything. In fact, I'm not even seeing any serious exageration of the truth going on.
stsaturn
2003-12-06, 09:11
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I don't see the mods here saying anything that an informed fan wouldn't say. If they bash something, you can be pretty sure that those people/groups deserve to be bashed. I mean come on, it's not like animesuki is going around spreading lies or anything. In fact, I'm not even seeing any serious exageration of the truth going on.
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1. (I don't see the mods here saying anything that an informed fan wouldn't say. )
I would consider myself generally well informed. I have been was very well informed of AJ's activities from March 18, 2003 untill about mid to late July. I understand why people dislike them but why is everyone so anal? People are sitting around on their computers downloading FREE anime from groups like AJ and then they are bashing groups like AJ.
2. (If they (they refering to AS I think) bash something, you can be pretty sure that those people/groups deserve to be bashed.)
Oh! What was I thinking. Yea your right Anime Suki should be able to bash AJ all they want I mean after all AJ is providing free fansubbed anime to Anime Suki for its patrons.
For Anime Suki's sake I hope snoopy is not a spoksperson
On a final note
People are trying to shut down programs like Bit Torrent and other file swapping applications where fansubbers post their work. Maybe we should stop bitching about the worst couple groups and show more support towards the groups we like. Snoopy might be too new to remember but a while ago a bunch of hating retards pissed off AJ (through posts on AS and IRC chat) so AJ threatened to not release an episode of Gundam Seed untill they got a retarded (like 50,000) number of people in their room. True AJ was stupid for the whole stunt but WTF is up with hating people that are working for free and giving you the option to download it for free. Its kinda like hating Jesus Christ because your a Buhdist (forgive my spelling) if it doesent concern you then leave it at that.
LordBrian
2003-12-06, 12:38
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Oh! What was I thinking. Yea your right Anime Suki should be able to bash AJ all they want
You're absolutely right, glad you agree with someone who makes sense. After all, it's not like AnimeSuki is charging you anything to use their forums or their BT lists, so I'm not sure what right you would have criticizing their opinions. Unless, of course, you don't care about being seen as a hypocrite, in which case I completely understand.
Remember: just because something is free (AJ fansubs) doesn't mean we should want, or accept, them. At work, I'm supposed to sell people 3 free months of AOL with whatever they buy. You'd be surprised how many people tell me that they hate AOL with a passion, and that I couldn't pay them enough to take it. But it's free! Why in the world wouldn't they want it?!
Hmm. Maybe because people have opinions, and like to express them. Just a guess, though.
WTF is up with hating people that are working for free and giving you the option to download it for free. Its kinda like hating Jesus Christ because your a Buhdist (forgive my spelling) if it doesent concern you then leave it at that.
Or maybe it's kinda like hating Jesus-followers because you believe in Allah. You'd think that one would have nothing to do with the other, but that doesn't stop some people from taking action anyway.
getfresh
2003-12-06, 12:56
At work, I'm supposed to sell people 3 free months of AOL with whatever they buy. You'd be surprised how many people tell me that they hate AOL with a passion, and that I couldn't pay them enough to take it. But it's free! Why in the world wouldn't they want it?!
o.O
What are you a telemarketer, or customer service? If your a telemarketer then your evil =p. But on the AJ subject, I agree with LordBrian and snoopy. If what's said is the truth it's not bashing or flaming IMO. All they are doing is showing their dislike and showing reasons behind their loathing of AJ. It's well known among fansubs and scanlators how much AJ sucks, and how they break every moral of fansubbing. If you want to see the difference just read what you thought was bashing again, and then go read the page that the link below directs you to.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=killshok&f=1
Now thats bashing =)
I have to disagree with most of the things that ashibaka and tofusensei are saying here because from tofu's posts all he's shown is that he hated the facts that large amounts of people dled their fansubs. I hate to break it to you but the fact that "the dumb leechers like AJ" is a pretty weak reason for disliking them, look at the group that currently has the largest channel on mircx and you'll see quite a few licensed shows. Although they were very disrespectful to UV, its just as disrespectful for "what you'd consider to be good" groups to blatantly release licensed shows like Last Exile, Read or Die, Gungrave etc.
Infinitely worse is that you two take this "holier than thou" philosophy towards leechers and its annoying because there are people who dont understand japanese and cant tell the real differences between different versions, in fact, there might be literal differences between some fansubs but the meaning is still obtainable. I watched their gundam seed releases starting from the first ep and I managed to completely follow the series. Hence, these "dumb leechers" don't care as long as they get a fansub they can watch, so I dont see why you think the leechers are missing the director's point.
Plus, a lot of the time, leechers are people who have lives beyond anime. As long as the story makes sense, then I really dont care for the aesthetics that you might spend your pointless lives searching for like otakus. Enjoy the fansubs and if you dont like AJ just ignore them, but dont tell other people including leechers that they're stupid for watching other group's releases. In fact, thats all it comes down to, the fact that other fansubbers would prefer to have all of the leechers downloading their stuff so that it says 20000 completed dls in the bt stats.
Thats the same reason that self proclaimed otakus with refined anime tastes dislike Naruto because like you they would prefer for others to see things their way and watch shows they think are better.
But in the end it doesnt matter whose fansub you watch, you still get the same show, so here's props to AJ and Naruto for giving leechers what they want.
getfresh
2003-12-06, 17:46
geez...
Why must someone always cry that fansubbers are tring to act "holier than thou" whenever we voice our opinions, but when you voice yours I guess it's not the same huh? If you wanna hang off of AJ's nuts all day then be my guest. And I personally could care less how many more DLs someone has then me, because it's not a competition. I just personally think killshoks a <colourful language removed> and after his comment that cause a fansubber subbed something they own it and thus can do whatever they want.
I bet you wanna say that I'm acting "holier than thou" too, huh? You sound like a broken record, singing the same old song that everyone else does when they get mad. I guess you all here haven't notice that not many fansubbers come here to post anymore. It's cause we can't say a damn thing without someone saying that we are tring to act better then everyone. So cry someone else a river will ya. You need find something else to acuse us of, cause this ones getting old quick. And if you compare what we, fansubbers A.K.A NORMAL <colourful language removed> FANS, write to your own little speeches, you'll that you communicate to us in the same manor we communicate to you. No ones trying to be above your paranoid ass. So heres your chance to say something more than the same tired old BS I hear from all you poor abused leechers whining about here.
Edit by Mod (NightWish): Please watch your language...
geez...
Why must someone always cry that fansubbers are tring to act "holier than thou" whenever we voice our opinions, but when you voice yours I guess it's not the same huh? If you wanna hang off of AJ's nuts all day then be my guest. And I personally could care less how many more DLs someone has then me, because it's not a competition. I just personally think killshoks a <snip>
I just wanted to know why every time he mentions the word leecher, he puts dumb in front of it, and apparently from some of his posts one would get the idea that he DOES care about the number of people who dl his releases, so why dont you read what he posted before giving me your dumb rant. Please, speak for yourself when you say you dont care about the number of people who visit your channel or dl your releases because obviously there are fansubbers who care.
Enragin_Angel
2003-12-06, 19:32
Maybe they say dumb leecher because they don't want to say ALL leechers. Because that person knows that all leechers aren't dumb so he says dumb leecher. So, if you get offended when he says dumb leecher...then I guess you've identified yourself as a dumb leecher.
So if you get offended when you hear someone called a "nigger" then necessarily you've identified yourself as a "nigger?" Maybe it's a harsh example, but the fact that a derogatory term does not apply specifically to you does not make it any less impolite.
stsaturn
2003-12-06, 23:56
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You're absolutely right, glad you agree with someone who makes sense. After all, it's not like AnimeSuki is charging you anything to use their forums or their BT lists, so I'm not sure what right you would have criticizing their opinions. Unless, of course, you don't care about being seen as a hypocrite, in which case I completely understand.
Remember: just because something is free (AJ fansubs) doesn't mean we should want, or accept, them. At work, I'm supposed to sell people 3 free months of AOL with whatever they buy. You'd be surprised how many people tell me that they hate AOL with a passion, and that I couldn't pay them enough to take it. But it's free! Why in the world wouldn't they want it?!
Hmm. Maybe because people have opinions, and like to express them. Just a guess, though.
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WTF is up with hating people that are working for free and giving you the option to download it for free. Its kinda like hating Jesus Christ because your a Buhdist (forgive my spelling) if it doesent concern you then leave it at that.
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14 posts including this one since burning board was taken out and Zero downloaded torrents from animesuki. yea I am a uber hypocrite. Not to mention I have donated to AS.
LordBrian
(Remember: just because something is free (AJ fansubs) doesn't mean we should want, or accept, them. At work, I'm supposed to sell people 3 free months of AOL with whatever they buy. You'd be surprised how many people tell me that they hate AOL with a passion, and that I couldn't pay them enough to take it. But it's free! Why in the world wouldn't they want it?!)
Maybe you should have Quoted my entire post. This doesent argue any point against me. I think you just hate your job and want to cry about it.
LordBrian
(Or maybe it's kinda like hating Jesus-followers because you believe in Allah. You'd think that one would have nothing to do with the other, but that doesn't stop some people from taking action anyway.)
But is it right? Are you saying you approve actios such as these?
It annoys me when people can't figure out how to use quote tags. [ quote=name ] asdgasdgsad [ /quote ] adgasdggs
LordBrian
2003-12-07, 02:08
Awesome, awesome post. I really must congratulate you, stsaturn, on trying to make me look like an idiot by making bizarre implications and ignoring all the vital parts of my post. Excellent debating strategy, I must say. Now, allow me to "defend" myself against your scathing wit, while utilizing the quote feature intelligently.
14 posts including this one since burning board was taken out and Zero downloaded torrents from animesuki. yea I am a uber hypocrite. Not to mention I have donated to AS. (…)Maybe you should have Quoted my entire post. This doesent argue any point against me. I think you just hate your job and want to cry about it.
Your postcount is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, as is any amount of money you donated. Furthermore, the unquoted part of your post is also irrelevant, which is why I left it unquoted. As you still don’t seem to understand what I was saying, let me elaborate. Complaining about AJ isn’t a problem. Complaining about complainers is dumb, but it’s not the problem here either. You’re welcome to complain about whatever you want, after all. The problem is that you have the gall to tell people what they should and should not complain about, while at the same time complaining yourself. This is where I got the hypocrisy from, because that’s what it is (along with being both arrogant and snotty). I am well aware that people will see this very post as being hypocritical, as complaining about complainers, but that just means the whole point is going over their heads. The point I'm trying to make is that complaining really is all right; telling people what to say and think is not.
To continue, you made a good attempt at defaming my character by portraying me as a whiny little egotist, but if you’ll go back and read my post, you’ll find that there is no evidence to back up that claim whatsoever. To clarify an earlier question, I am a salesman at CompUSA, and it is store policy to try to sell 3 free months of AOL to every customer I help. I didn’t say whether or not I agreed with this policy; I made a statement of fact. The relevant part of the statement was that people complain to me about how much they hate AOL, how much it has screwed them in the past, and how they’ll never use it again. They’re allowed to complain about it, I have no problem with that.
To explain the analogy, since it apparently went over your head the first time: I don’t have a problem with people complaining about AOL, and I don’t have a problem with people complaining about AJ. I understand that people will complain, and take it as a matter of course. I wouldn’t dream of telling them that just because they can get AOL/AJ subs for free, they have no right to complain about it. That’s just plain dumb.
You use the same sort of fallacious logic in your final, somewhat off-topic point, which I shall now take the time to debunk.
Or maybe it's kinda like hating Jesus-followers because you believe in Allah. You'd think that one would have nothing to do with the other, but that doesn't stop some people from taking action anyway.But is it right? Are you saying you approve actios such as these?
Exactly where do you find the basis to ask me such a ludicrous question? Please oh please point to the part of my original quote that leads you to believe that I’m making a judgment call either way. Hint: it doesn’t exist. My opinions on the matter are absolutely meaningless to the struggles going on between the two groups. Whether I’m for or against the actions, the actions will still continue. The only point of your asking the question is, once again, character defamation. By trying to cast me as a hate sympathizer, you are trying to make your argument seem more intelligent because it’s not coming from a warmonger. Excellent tactic, by the way. It’s used in politics all the time, so I’m glad to see that you’re paying attention to the outside world.
To answer your questions so it wouldn’t appear that I’m avoiding the issue, no, it isn’t right, and no, I don’t approve of such actions. But again, it doesn’t matter what I think on this issue, and to attempt to get back on subject, it doesn’t matter if I think it’s retarded to complain about complainers. It’s going to happen anyway. This may lead you to believe that I made a long and ultimately pointless post for very little reason, but if I can get people to see that being a self-deluded hypocrite makes you look retarded, and therefore fewer retarded posts get made, I’ll consider this a victory.
Edit: Typo!
PocariSweat
2003-12-07, 02:39
I think it's fine to complain about something.
I also think it's ok to complain about people complaining.
Hey, I'm even ok with someone complaining about people compaining about someone's complaining.
But what I absolutely can not stand is someone complaining about someone else's complaining about people compaining about someone's complaining.! Thats... just... so WRONG!!!
Oh wait...
maybe that's what I'm doing...
er, nevermind.
Thelastguardian
2003-12-07, 04:39
I think it's fine to complain about something.
I also think it's ok to complain about people complaining.
Hey, I'm even ok with someone complaining about people compaining about someone's complaining.
But what I absolutely can not stand is someone complaining about someone else's complaining about people compaining about someone's complaining.! Thats... just... so WRONG!!!
Oh wait...
maybe that's what I'm doing...
er, nevermind.
you got me confuse starting at your third line XD
anyway I also think its fine to complain about something, even though its free(linux, irc, websites, doctrines, ideas etc.). What irritate me is the fact that people complain about a collection of people's hard(even though you may not agree with this word being use here) work. For gods sake no matter how bad the quality is, you still have to spend time to translate and encode.
And yes i forgive you for thinking that I am complaining about someone else's complaining about people compaining about someone's complaining. ;)
What irritate me is the fact that people complain about a collection of people's hard(even though you may not agree with this word being use here) work. For gods sake no matter how bad the quality is, you still have to spend time to translate and encode.
I dont think people would be complaining if some group released shit and went "yea, its crap, and we admit it". However, if someone goes "OMG, We r best" and releases free crap, of course people should be complaining because it is CRAP. It's like all that free software which claims to do stuff, and then sucks at doing it, you bitch at it for hours.
Free aol for 45 days, it may be free internet for 1.5 months, but its shitty free internet!
This "it is free, it takes work" arguement that people take to defend subbers is completely bogus. If you do a shitty job, you have no defense because it can be done better if you dont try and get it out the same [input any length of time]. If you don't bitch, they wont ever improve.
FinFangFoom
2003-12-07, 05:23
:off topic:
Before Animesuki crashed and had to be reset I would look through old post sometimes and noticed many threads asking about Anime Junkies and everytime a MOD would close the thread imediatly saying the reason is that ANY thread talking about Anime Junkies will degenerate quickly into a flame war. I guess they know their business.
Maybe this thread should be closed to since the arguments are only going in circles and I think we can agree here that nobody is gonna change anyone elses mind. Everyone should be allowed there opinion (I think we all agree) and everyones opinion seems to have been stated at least twice or more. :p
I dont think people would be complaining if some group released shit and went "yea, its crap, and we admit it". However, if someone goes "OMG, We r best" and releases free crap, of course people should be complaining because it is CRAP. It's like all that free software which claims to do stuff, and then sucks at doing it, you bitch at it for hours.
Free aol for 45 days, it may be free internet for 1.5 months, but its shitty free internet!
This "it is free, it takes work" arguement that people take to defend subbers is completely bogus. If you do a shitty job, you have no defense because it can be done better if you dont try and get it out the same [input any length of time]. If you don't bitch, they wont ever improve.
Or you could just not bitch and buy the dvds when they come out and really support the animators instead of storing near perfect fansubs.
NoSanninWa
2003-12-07, 05:47
:off topic:
Before Animesuki crashed and had to be reset I would look through old post sometimes and noticed many threads asking about Anime Junkies and everytime a MOD would close the thread imediatly saying the reason is that ANY thread talking about Anime Junkies will degenerate quickly into a flame war. I guess they know their business.
Maybe this thread should be closed to since the arguments are only going in circles and I think we can agree here that nobody is gonna change anyone elses mind. Everyone should be allowed there opinion (I think we all agree) and everyones opinion seems to have been stated at least twice or more. :p
:sigh: The argument was so staying so civil also... Yeah, it's about time I closed this one because things are just degenerating too fast. I'm gonna try to stop them from getting any worse by closing the darn thread. I'd just like to end with a parting thought.
I don't download any AJ subs, and anyone who does is being a hypocrite when they bash AJ. No one has a right to talk about how much they hate AJ if they are still downloading their subs. If you download their work, then you just don't dislike them as much as you claim so please stop talking about it. As for those of you who don't download their subs, it is OK to say that you don't like them, but there is no reason to go to the wall bashing them. Simply ignoring their work is sufficent, there is no virtue in trying to make others hate them also.
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