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Pellissier
2013-07-05, 07:09
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Miraluka
2013-07-05, 07:49
Looking forward the Level 5's psycho faces and then the collection will be complete.

Haru-kun
2013-07-05, 10:52
Gosh, Mikoto's mental state is in a total mess, if this continues, she would definately end up like other mentally unstable Level 5s.

I am more than satisfied at Mikoto's reaction on 10031's death, thoroughly broken. This show is seriously depressing.

Master Assassin
2013-07-05, 11:04
I don't know if I should feel bad if I kinda cheered "Good! Now break (down) more! And feel so helpless!" when Mikoto was going amok in this episode. :heh:

Also, that next episode preview. We're in for a treat this coming two weeks. :D

dniv
2013-07-05, 11:04
The initial comments on the raw:

This was great.

Excellent battle scenes with Accelerator and Mikoto.

Mikoto... went Skitzo this episode (hearing voices in her head...) I've been waiting for this all season. This was done amazingly. It was executed perfectly. I am very satisfied. Hope they keep up with their amazing rendition. The one scene with Mikoto's guilt made the whole episode for me. It's a pretty stark contrast to... toddler Mikoto :heh:

The death of MISAKA 10031 was very well done. I feel bad for both her and Touma.

Neither of them know anything about the underside of the city. We saw Touma going to Tokiwadai in order to talk to mikoto at the very end.

Otherwise, the first experiment with MISAKA 1 was fun to watch (well... not the bleeding part).

The graphics were great this episode and the new OST was great once again. The OSTs this season really are good. I liked all of the Touma scenes... well I liked every scene :heh:

The preview looked good as well. I can't wait for next episode... one week again... *sigh*

The episodes feel so short because they are so good. :D

Hope subtitles come out soon (within 17.5 hours)

Lulu Vie Britania
2013-07-05, 12:19
Guys what was that? I don't remember this in manga.
http://sep.2chan.net/dec/18/src/1373038973667.jpg

zibi88
2013-07-05, 12:40
Guys what was that? I don't remember this in manga.

Misaka's "hair pin" the one she wears on the right side of her head

Lulu Vie Britania
2013-07-05, 12:51
Misaka's "hair pin" the one she wears on the right side of her head

Heh thanks for the answer, I just thought it was too big for hair pin... well, not important.

DorkingtonPugsly
2013-07-05, 14:09
They're keeping it up with the quality in this adaption. Really happy about that. Felt the chills when 10031 died and Mikoto fell into despair. Which I didn't get much when I read it. Works better for me animated, with colors, voices, and music/sounds.

Next two episodes have been a long time coming. It's gona be Lush.

StaticLord
2013-07-05, 15:36
Yes. The adaptation so far is superb. I can only hope they'll maintain this level of awesomeness in Index 3.

I'm seriously looking forward to Accel vs Touma. I've seen it five times by now but, *uck me I can watch that fight in different renditions and Accel 24\7. The wait is killing me.

Also I want the OST, badly, it badass.

Especially two tracks, one from when MISAKA clones interfere in Accel vs Miko-chin fight. The second track frequently(always?) pops up whenever there are flashbacks about Accelerator's past. Railde always had great OSTs.

Natsurin
2013-07-05, 15:46
Just finished watching it, overall an awesome episode with, as stated above, magnificent quality.

Good to see even more of Accelerator's 'backstory', and the first experiment.

Crazy Misaka owns them all.

And man, this OST. Is. Awesome. I need it to my collection

Whooping 10 on my side, can't wait to see the next episode ... When is next week again? ... Oh wait.

DorkingtonPugsly
2013-07-05, 15:50
Yes. The adaptation so far is superb. I can only hope they'll maintain this level of awesomeness in Index 3.

Yeah really. It'll need it.

Chaos2Frozen
2013-07-05, 16:17
I don't know if I should feel bad if I kinda cheered "Good! Now break (down) more! And feel so helpless!" when Mikoto was going amok in this episode. :heh:


Don't try to hide it- you know you've been waiting all Spring to see it :D

Ihaxlikenoob
2013-07-05, 19:34
why cant I,

hold all these feels?



Lot of character despair in here, also wasn't there a part where Kamijou puked?

Sackett
2013-07-05, 21:17
Very well done episode.

I think I'm a bit impatient, as not every thing needed as much time as given it this episode. However, that just shows that they are taking their time to do it right instead of rushing it. Also the pacing, while slower then it needed to be, did not feel 'off' the way last weeks episode did.

So I'll give it a 9. (I'm rather parsimonious with 10s).

Shinhwa
2013-07-05, 21:20
Finally the climax is soon upon us!!!

HandofFate
2013-07-05, 21:25
Was the first experiment the first time Accel 'killed' someone? Was previous encounters with ruffians just him beating them up and leaving?

Shinhwa
2013-07-05, 21:27
Was the first experiment the first time Accel 'killed' someone? Was previous encounters with ruffians just him beating them up and leaving?

I am sure people who attacked him before have died plenty of times. Especially those who used firearms.

Chaos2Frozen
2013-07-05, 21:33
Was the first experiment the first time Accel 'killed' someone? Was previous encounters with ruffians just him beating them up and leaving?

We don't know for sure either way.

Miraluka
2013-07-05, 21:34
Was the first experiment the first time Accel 'killed' someone? Was previous encounters with ruffians just him beating them up and leaving?
If they died, its because of their fault. Attacking him is like trying to hit a steel wall with your head. He doesn't even needs to defeat them, they defeated themselves :heh:.

omimon
2013-07-05, 21:56
Is it just me or did this episode feel particularly 2008?

Dr. Casey
2013-07-05, 22:00
Do you mean that it seemed reminiscent of the first cour of Index I? Or that it just somehow reminded you of 2008/2008 anime?

eiyuu99
2013-07-05, 22:02
Accelrator is likely to leave the ruffians half-dead, maybe traumatized for life,
but if they killed themselves from reflected shots, it's their own fault.

Random Wanderer
2013-07-05, 22:05
So now the designated male protagonist gets to show up and solve all the problems that the mere female lead couldn't handle no matter how hard she tried. :rolleyes:

No I don't care if his series came first. Screw that series.

Now, Mikoto, you have a few options for stopping this situation. You can destroy the entire city. The will probably put an end to the experiments. Or you can kill all of the people responsible for the experiments, starting at the top and working down.

Ilidsor
2013-07-05, 22:06
This episode was just fantastic 10/10. I loved the Accelerator part with the first Misaka. Actually I love everything with Accelerator but still it was very good.

They handled Misaka's breakdown very well, can't wait for the bridge scene.

No I don't care if his series came first. Screw that series.

Yes, why would you allow logic to get in the way of your hatred?

Ihaxlikenoob
2013-07-05, 22:06
So now the designated male protagonist gets to show up and solve all the problems that the mere female lead couldn't handle no matter how hard she tried. :rolleyes:

No I don't care if his series came first. Screw that series.

Now, Mikoto, you have a few options for stopping this situation. You can destroy the entire city. The will probably put an end to the experiments. Or you can kill all of the people responsible for the experiments, starting at the top and working down.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!

...good one.

Random Wanderer
2013-07-05, 22:07
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!

...good one.

I never said they were reasonable options. :p

Yes, why would you allow logic to get in the way of you hatred?

I never have before, so why start now? :p

Chaos2Frozen
2013-07-05, 22:14
They're not particularly smart suggestions either.

But I guess their naivety suits Mikoto.

Random Wanderer
2013-07-05, 22:28
They're not particularly smart suggestions either.

But I guess their naivety suits Mikoto.

They're probably the most permanent solutions to her problem. They just happen to be essentially impossible for her to accomplish because of... reasons.

Kyouka
2013-07-05, 22:33
railgun is the pampered lvl 5 is what this series shows me i guess

Chaos2Frozen
2013-07-05, 22:39
They're probably the most permanent solutions to her problem. They just happen to be essentially impossible for her to accomplish because of... reasons.

What's the point of impossible solutions then?

Plus if you want her to destroy the whole city because of her own issues that would make her a villain in which case why did you like her character to begin with if you want her to become a villain? And if you're okay with her being a villain then the easier solution is just ignore the clones and go back to her life.

Sackett
2013-07-05, 23:11
railgun is the pampered lvl 5 is what this series shows me i guess

Well apparently she's the most sane, so she's being used as the shining example of how wonderful Academy City is.

Of course that means pampering her and making sure she doesn't find out about the dark side.

Miraluka
2013-07-05, 23:12
So now the designated male protagonist gets to show up and solve all the problems that the mere female lead couldn't handle no matter how hard she tried. :rolleyes:
Shame on her, she never actually asked for help :rolleyes:.

No I don't care if his series came first. Screw that series.
There there.

Now, Mikoto, you have a few options for stopping this situation. You can destroy the entire city. The will probably put an end to the experiments. Or you can kill all of the people responsible for the experiments, starting at the top and working down.
Saying it is easy, putting it into work is another matter.

I never said they were reasonable options. :p

I never have before, so why start now? :p
You can be either funny or naive, thats why they reply you that way.

Kyouka
2013-07-05, 23:15
Well apparently she's the most sane, so she's being used as the shining example of how wonderful Academy City is.

Of course that means pampering her and making sure she doesn't find out about the dark side.

she's the most sane because she's the least involved with the dark side!

Random Wanderer
2013-07-05, 23:19
What's the point of impossible solutions then?

Plus if you want her to destroy the whole city because of her own issues that would make her a villain in which case why did you like her character to begin with if you want her to become a villain? And if you're okay with her being a villain then the easier solution is just ignore the clones and go back to her life.


I believe you are missing the point. I am not listing what would be, could be, or should be done. Only what must be done in order to set the Sisters free. The evil that enslaves them and kills them is throughout the city at every level. It founded the city, and built for its purposes. Such an evil will not be deterred merely by wiping out some of its resources. It has plenty more. Mikoto's current actions would barely even register as a mild inconvenience. To stop it you must either destroy everything it has and everywhere it is, by destroying the whole city; or you must hunt down each and every person that makes up the entirety of that evil, and kill them all.

Neither of these things are desirable for Mikoto or any of our heroines to do. But Mikoto wanted to know how to stop what was happening to the Sisters. These seem to be the most effective ways. The fact that there are numerous obstacles and that doing these things would have incredibly serious psychological effects and other consequences for anyone who did them is a different discussion entirely. She didn't ask "how hard will it be to do it" or "what will happen if I do it" or even "does anyone think it's a good idea if I do it?" Such things are beside the point.

Kyouka
2013-07-05, 23:21
I believe you are missing the point. I am not listing what would be, could be, or should be done. Only what must be done in order to set the Sisters free. The evil that enslaves them and kills them is throughout the city at every level. It founded the city, and built for its purposes. Such an evil will not be deterred merely by wiping out some of its resources. It has plenty more. Mikoto's current actions would barely even register as a mild inconvenience. To stop it you must either destroy everything it has and everywhere it is, byt destroying the whole city; or you must hunt down each and every person that makes up the entirety of that evil, and kill them all.

Neither of these things are desirable for Mikoto or any of our heroines to do. But Mikoto wanted to know how to stop what was happening to the Sisters. These seem to be the most effective ways. The fact that there are numerous obstacles and that doing these things would have incredibly serious psychological effects and other consequences for anyone who did them is a different discussion entirely. She didn't ask "how hard will it be to do it" or "what will happen if I do it" or even "does anyone think it's a good idea if I do it?" Such things are beside the point.

or just they could just let accelerator kill them off setting them free from everything

Traece
2013-07-05, 23:46
This was a really interesting episode. I like that they finally took the time to show more of Accelerator's character. Up to now he's been portrayed as some sort of bloodthirsty psychopath, but that's not exactly good characterization. I never got the impression that he would end up being a psychopath like they imply. So it was refreshing that they took the time to humanize him, if only slightly.

Looks like next episode things are going to progress quite a bit, so it should be quite interesting to see what happens.

Tranhieu
2013-07-05, 23:50
Excellent episode! Misaka's despair was depicted very well, even better than the manga I might say. The episode would have been perfect if they managed to make the transition between each character's view smoother, like there's still a bit of 'discontinuation' when they switch from Misaka's rampage to the experiment ground I think.

Guys what was that? I don't remember this in manga.


I seriously thought that was a piece of her rib! Left me speechless for few seconds there~~

Miraluka
2013-07-06, 00:08
Excellent episode! Mikasa's despair was depicted very well, even better than the manga I might say.

Wrong series!
Here is your sub-forum:
http://forums.animesuki.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=129

Ihaxlikenoob
2013-07-06, 00:10
I believe you are missing the point. I am not listing what would be, could be, or should be done. Only what must be done in order to set the Sisters free. The evil that enslaves them and kills them is throughout the city at every level. It founded the city, and built for its purposes. Such an evil will not be deterred merely by wiping out some of its resources. It has plenty more. Mikoto's current actions would barely even register as a mild inconvenience. To stop it you must either destroy everything it has and everywhere it is, by destroying the whole city; or you must hunt down each and every person that makes up the entirety of that evil, and kill them all.

Neither of these things are desirable for Mikoto or any of our heroines to do. But Mikoto wanted to know how to stop what was happening to the Sisters. These seem to be the most effective ways. The fact that there are numerous obstacles and that doing these things would have incredibly serious psychological effects and other consequences for anyone who did them is a different discussion entirely. She didn't ask "how hard will it be to do it" or "what will happen if I do it" or even "does anyone think it's a good idea if I do it?" Such things are beside the point.

Still won't work no matter what she does, reaching Level 6/SYSTEM is one of main reasons for Academy City's establishment, she cannot just remove one of the core goals; doing so would be tantamount to killing every single researcher/scientist in the city. What you see as evil is the scientists just seeing the Sisters as usable materials -- which is basically how every dark-side researcher sees every Esper -- , even some people with a moral compass will probably say "the ends justify the means".

Level Six Shift is the closest to achieving fruition, the parameters of the experiments given by Tree Diagram, the (former) most advanced and powerful super computer in the world, they aren't going to stop for anything.

Destroy the city? Or rather destroy the dark-side? Don't make me laugh ( oh wait, you did ), didn't you hear Mugino during her insane tirade? Misaka lacks the capability in any way, shape or form to do so, both psychologically and physically. Misaka has never killed anyone, not even Frenda when she threatened to so, what makes you think she'll start? She may be close to breaking, but she still has a moral-compass, watching/reading Index will tell you that. It's also pretty obvious why she can't stop the experiment physically: it's an organization/city-state government vs. a single person ( barring some exceptions ), even if said person has superpowers, who do you think will win?

TL;DR:
Stating that she could destroy AC to solve her problems is being both foolish and naive.

Tranhieu
2013-07-06, 00:10
Wrong series!
Here is your sub-forum:
http://forums.animesuki.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=129

Edited. Thanks :p

OverNOut
2013-07-06, 00:33
Nice episode but its still slow and the next one looks like its gonna be equally as slow.
Its nice that they explained the whole Misaka 10031 and Misaka 10032 thing if not people might get confused again.

FlareKnight
2013-07-06, 01:36
Damn, things just keep going further into the dark for Mikoto. At that point I really could feel the despair. Shutting this thing down just seems far beyond what she can do, but she can't turn away from it. She's already been run into the ground and mentally exhausted knowing every second she isn't solving this problem is a moment closer to another Sister getting killed.

That first experiment with Accelerator was interesting. Showed how detached he's become. He was legitimately affected by that first one. But at this point he can just blow them up or whatever.

Both Touma and Mikoto had horrible sights to witness. Mikoto helpless to stop another death and Touma...seeing the aftermath.

kaizerknight01
2013-07-06, 02:10
Damn, things just keep going further into the dark for Mikoto. At that point I really could feel the despair. Shutting this thing down just seems far beyond what she can do, but she can't turn away from it. She's already been run into the ground and mentally exhausted knowing every second she isn't solving this problem is a moment closer to another Sister getting killed.

That first experiment with Accelerator was interesting. Showed how detached he's become. He was legitimately affected by that first one. But at this point he can just blow them up or whatever.

Both Touma and Mikoto had horrible sights to witness. Mikoto helpless to stop another death and Touma...seeing the aftermath.

Let just say Touma has seen his fair of the grotesqueness in this timeline ... yup this arc is all about Mikoto's despair Imouto's apathy on their lives the tip of the iceberg of darkside of AC

Chaos2Frozen
2013-07-06, 02:32
Nice episode but its still slow and the next one looks like its gonna be equally as slow.
Its nice that they explained the whole Misaka 10031 and Misaka 10032 thing if not people might get confused again.

That's fine and all but there sure is a large number of "unclassified" information that they could divulge in this version...:twitch:

ReddyRedWolf
2013-07-06, 02:41
Let just say Touma has seen his fair of the grotesqueness in this timeline ... yup this arc is all about Mikoto's despair Imouto's apathy on their lives the tip of the iceberg of darkside of AC

Touma here is a blank slate. Though not that different from the first incarnation.

You can take his memories and still be the same guy.

Which is why he can easily fool Mikoto.

But Touma cares whether she is a link to his past or not.

Chaos2Frozen
2013-07-06, 02:49
Touma here is a blank slate. Though not that different from the first incarnation.

You can take his memories and still be the same guy.

Which is why he can easily fool Mikoto.

But Touma cares whether she is a link to his past or not.

Actually, before this Kamijou did have a certain other incident...:uhoh:

Also, another reason he can fool Mikoto is because... Lets face it, she didn't exactly know him that well.

GoddyofAus
2013-07-06, 03:17
It's quite obvious after watching this episode, smack bang at the halfway point, that JC Staff have busted their arses to make sure this was done properly and they've done an amazing job.

If this is the sort of thing we can expect from them now, I think I speak for every Raildex veteran when I say that I've never wanted Season 3 of Index more than I do now, and my fellow Raildex veterans know exactly why.

dniv
2013-07-06, 03:44
The long Index hate discussion above me is really funny :heh:

I didn't think anyone could actually hate Touma so far here... I guess I was wrong :heh: He didn't even do anything wrong yet, so I don't see would anyone would be mad at him... Also, isn't any mention of future events a spoiler? I feel like there are so many spoilers in this thread it is somewhat ridiculous... You guys should tone it down. Some people still aren't sure about what is going to happen...

From the episode preview, I do know that next episode is probably going to be my favorite episode of this season though 12/10 (literally if executed perfectly).

Anyways, moving onto critiquing this episode:

I've already seen it 6 times. The stream 2 times. The raw 2 times. The subtitles 2 times. I've noticed a lot of details in this episode.

1st big comment: the scene with Mikoto's psychosis (talking to herself) was perfect. This was better than perfect. It was at the same level as Key-work if you get what I'm saying. This was perfectly done. Her despair reached a new peak and she couldn't handle it anymore and cracked under the pressure. She has slowly lost her ability to think rationally. We see this when she only talks about destroying everything related to the experiment: destruction.

Mikoto is temporarily (or longer than that) turning into an anti-hero. She's definitely not worthy of having the title of the person who destroys AC and being called perfect. This wouldn't end happily if she did things herself.

The first season of Railgun was about how Mikoto learned to rely on her friends and work together with them in order to overcome difficult challenges. This season, her friendship convinced Mikoto, not to involve her friends. This is why we can easily surmise that Mikoto needs to overcome this cherished protection of her friends in order to be able to solve the problem. This means she can either get her friends' help or Touma's help. Touma is already involved and seems to be asking her the details about the experiment next episode from the preview.

For this obvious reason, it seems good that Touma seems to be stepping in. Mikoto needs to rely on others and not do everything herself. It is bad to do everything yourself. If you do, you end up in the hospital every arc... :heh:

Mikoto is herself when she is not doing things by herself. She has a tendency to try to do things alone, but her personality "shines" when she is doing things in tandem with others. This is why she should get another persons' help whether it's Shirai's, Touma's, Kazari's, or Ruiko's help. (sorry for ranting xD)

OK:

OSTs this episode: 11/10 no joke. They had the same OST as the end of episode 5 for her crazy scene. This made that scene PERFECT 11/10.

Animation this episode: 11/10. This was significantly better than other episodes which I've already given a 10. So I'm giving this animation an 11/10. This was better than the ITEM arc and everything else in Railgun S except the opening. It's on par with the opening graphics (which says something pretty good about this episode).

Content this episode: The Touma scenes were great. Before I read all of the Touma hate... I was going to say: I like Touma here more than Index 1,2. I'm not sure what the difference is, but it's not the preaching... it's something else. (the animation quality obviously helps though :D).

This episode was called One-way road which is the Japanese etymology for Accelerator. This episode was therefore about him.

I really liked the way they showed how Accelerator seemed normal when he started the experiment. He almost said he was looking forward to training with another level 5 :heh: Considering this, he really was a lot more humble and mellow. He was not so arrogant. He also seemed to be somewhat nice... I mean, he did show MISAKA 1 a thing or two, but he didn't want to kill her obviously. I think I now see that he decided to agree with the fact that the clones are dolls merely because MISAKA 1 killed herself "because of Accelerator" because his reflect is on auto-pilot when he wasn't looking, so he didn't want to accept that he had killed a person. That's kind of nice. I never actually recognized this before.... I just thought that Accelerator thought that the clones were dolls because he was told this, not because of the psychological reason that believing this fact would mean that he wasn't a killer instead of being one...

(seeing that flashback, I doubt he was a killer back then or had purposely killed anyone. I don't think he had killed anyone either. He seemed mentally stable and was shocked at MISAKA 1's death).

Going back to the MISAKA 10031 scene... this was even more emotional than expected.

Mikoto watched 10031 die. I'm not sure if she knows that the MISAKA that died was the one she told to get out of her sight. She might know... if so... that would have made it even more painful... That sight was painful... This season really is excellent.

People really should give J.C. staff more credit here, this was an excellent adaptation, top-quality.

After 6 times watching it, it only got better.

The most tantalizing part of the episode of course it how it ends: Touma going to Mikoto's room... and Mikoto recognizing how to stop the experiment after hearing the phrase: "induce a level 6 shift by killing railgun 128 times..."

It's obvious these two things are ominous. This is what I've waited for since the beginning of the season and I was not disappointed. This was simply magnificent. I hope they finish the arc this well: (no wise-cracks about whoever is involved in it). This was just good story placement.

@GoddyofAus yes :D

Arararagi-Senpai
2013-07-06, 04:29
It was a nice episode. You truly felt Misaka's despair not being able to save the Sisters. And that flashback when accelerator participated in the first experiment was interesting. He wasn't always a psyco killer, when he killed MISAKA, he was legitimately affected. It actually made me feel bad for him, just in that moment.

As for the rest of the episode, it's pretty much a retread of Index, so nothing to say in that regard.

Draco Spirit
2013-07-06, 08:32
Another good episode, similar to early episodes, what there trying to do, is to add layers to the story, Railguns mental breakdown is great to watch.

Started reading the Index novels recently, and its interesting to contrast they way the handle then scene with 10031 corpse, with the novel describing it in gory details, but Railgun S using the blood on the camera and Toma scream to imply the horrid details instead.

Which is a way to show the scenes impact without getting this episode made a 15 ;)

Hamster
2013-07-06, 08:51
Maybe Misaka should just...you know... ask Accelerator to stop killing her sisters.

Japanese always seem to do things in a round about way when all they have to do is tell the person directly.

Chaos2Frozen
2013-07-06, 08:56
Another good episode, similar to early episodes, what there trying to do, is to add layers to the story, Railguns mental breakdown is great to watch.

Started reading the Index novels recently, and its interesting to contrast they way the handle then scene with 10031 corpse, with the novel describing it in gory details, but Railgun S using the blood on the camera and Toma scream to imply the horrid details instead.

Which is a way to show the scenes impact without getting this episode made a 15 ;)

I'll be very disappointed if THAT is the 'purple stuff' which Kamijou saw...

Ilidsor
2013-07-06, 09:03
Maybe Misaka should just...you know... ask Accelerator to stop killing her sisters.

Japanese always seem to do things in a round about way when all they have to do is tell the person directly.

It's not really that simple. We know that Accelerator is subconsciously very conflicted, but to Misaka he's just the dirtbag killing her sisters.

Started reading the Index novels recently, and its interesting to contrast they way the handle then scene with 10031 corpse, with the novel describing it in gory details, but Railgun S using the blood on the camera and Toma scream to imply the horrid details instead.
One of us. One of us.

Miraluka
2013-07-06, 10:09
It's not really that simple. We know that Accelerator is subconsciously very conflicted, but to Misaka he's just the dirtbag killing her sisters.
Its worse when the first thing she do is attack him and throw all the blame on him :heh:.

But yeah, if she asked him to stop there was a high chance he will consider it a lot.

kaizerknight01
2013-07-06, 10:43
Its worse when the first thing she do is attack him and throw all the blame on him :heh:.

But yeah, if she asked him to stop there was a high chance he will consider it a lot.


given the situation, Accel killing the clone without hesitation and Mikoto saw what happen , i think it's not possible

lazydoggamer
2013-07-06, 11:02
I'm seriously starting to doubt the sisters really learn from previous battle with Accelerator. I mean over 10000 deaths later and they're still using guns and going wtf when it doesn't work.

Kyouka
2013-07-06, 11:21
I'm seriously starting to doubt the sisters really learn from previous battle with Accelerator. I mean over 10000 deaths later and they're stilling using guns and going wtf when it doesn't work.

well what do you expect from clones =D

Miraluka
2013-07-06, 11:51
given the situation, Accel killing the clone without hesitation and Mikoto saw what happen , i think it's not possible
I don't recall anyone being present and telling him to stop.


I'm seriously starting to doubt the sisters really learn from previous battle with Accelerator. I mean over 10000 deaths later and they're stilling using guns and going wtf when it doesn't work.
Now can you blame Accelerator for thinking something isn't right with them?

ninryu
2013-07-06, 12:52
Mikoto was so badass this episode I had to take screenshots.


http://i.imgur.com/EX59PWY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/BWluf0s.jpg

Xellos-_^
2013-07-06, 12:56
now we need images of Mikoto in Magneto's suit :D

leukrota
2013-07-06, 13:06
Its worse when the first thing she do is attack him and throw all the blame on him :heh:.

Well, he HAD just thrown a railcar on top of an injured girl at the time. It's hard to think him innocent or even reasonable after that sight.

I'll be very disappointed if THAT is the 'purple stuff' which Kamijou saw...

:heh: I really, seriously doubt a bloodied hairpin would make him puke when... "that" something else didn't.

zibi88
2013-07-06, 13:07
but still I have to admit... that when the sister nr.1 was dieing I had a tear in my eye... really heart touching...the music there... she experiancing death.... its adidtionally sad when I think that she never saw the sun, the sky, nerver saw the outside would but just was born and all she saw was the lab walls... then from all experiances death is the first one T__T

2nd heart touching moment was mostly mikoto breaking down after she saw the live broadcast... not mention I feel sad for clone 10031 cant even imagine what pain she had felt when all veins in her body poped broke instantly (not mention that the last thing she experiances was pain from hearing mikoto's words...so generally she felt rejected by this world...so she died with the feeling that she is not wanted ;/ )

so generally a heart touchiung episode that makes you want punch accel till he dies off ^^

episode felt kinda slow but its ok... it goes according to manga with additional scenes its good..... but I was wondering why cant the clones attack fully on accel.... it would be faster and clones would become more of a threat to him if they went 10.000 vs 1.... they could create LOTS of ozone in air like previous time...attack with different tactics.. some with weps... other electo attacks... granades ect.... it would make accel need to calculate a lot his reflect shield to the point where he could made a mistake.... it would be way more challanging then going 1v1 (level 5 strongest in city vs level2 clone)

Rising Dragon
2013-07-06, 13:16
Considering what Accelerator did to 10031 in the light novel and the description of its results, I'm not surprised it got censored in this episode. You'd think Railgun was a very different show if it was shown.

Lulu Vie Britania
2013-07-06, 14:06
Considering what Accelerator did to 10031 in the light novel and the description of its results, I'm not surprised it got censored in this episode. You'd think Railgun was a very different show if it was shown.

He did the same thing to the clone in this episode as he did in the light novel, we just didn't see the result with got out the internal organs. We just can imagine how the clone would look after that.

Shinhwa
2013-07-06, 15:09
Mikoto was so badass this episode I had to take screenshots.


http://i.imgur.com/EX59PWY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/BWluf0s.jpg


Although she was badass, I feel the manga depicted her "despair face" a bit better, as in a bit more yandere way. :p

Rising Dragon
2013-07-06, 16:03
He did the same thing to the clone in this episode as he did in the light novel, we just didn't see the result with got out the internal organs. We just can imagine how the clone would look after that.

That's... what I'm talking about. ._. I'm well aware that they're the same events. I'm also well aware I'd probably get my ass banned for spelling it out in detail.

Ihaxlikenoob
2013-07-06, 16:34
That's... what I'm talking about. ._. I'm well aware that they're the same events. I'm also well aware I'd probably get my ass banned for spelling it out in detail.

You're exaggerating about the ban part, I hope, or I'd be very disappointed in the forum administration.

Chaos2Frozen
2013-07-06, 17:59
^
*Shrugged*

It's hard to say anymore with how things are these days.

Considering what Accelerator did to 10031 in the light novel and the description of its results, I'm not surprised it got censored in this episode. You'd think Railgun was a very different show if it was shown.

Going back to the topic, the Raildex stories always had that gory side especially in the first few stories. If they wanted to really focus on it, they could go all butcher on us with relative ease.

Take the first Railgun season for example and the experiment with the children- That was not strawberry jam on their machines afterwards... :uhoh:

Rising Dragon
2013-07-06, 18:46
Oh I'm aware that the stories aren't afraid of getting bloody, but they don't really show it all that much in the animations. Did we see 9982's leg stump when Accelerator ripped her leg off? No, they covered the stumps in shadow but showed enough that they were moved.

Considering what happened to 10031 encompassed her whole body and the results as described in the novel... I'm not surprised they avoided showing it in full detail. Raildex anime isn't the type to show graphic blood and gore.

rladls716
2013-07-06, 19:01
The Anti-Skills did not even bother investigating through Touma's "prank" deeper.
So Academy city is really good covering things up, did not fool Mikoto though.

The way 10032 said "it is just a experiment" did not convince me that it is really is.

Mikoto, you should at least should figure out Accelator's weaknesses, and try to ascend your personal reality to the next level.
Even she does not have any time to spare, it is still a reasonable way than destroying laboratories while being badass is just a waste of time.

Ilidsor
2013-07-06, 19:15
Mikoto, you should at least should figure out Accelator's weaknesses, and try to ascend your personal reality to the next level.
Even she does not have any time to spare, it is still a reasonable way than destroying laboratories while being badass is just a waste of time.

You make it sound so easy. 1. Misaka has nowhere near enough information on Accelerator to figure out one of his weaknesses. To do that she would have to fight him again which would only result in her death. And he could always simply overcome that weakness to kill her, like he does to several other characters who try that over the course of the series. And 2. We have already learned that it is literally impossible for Misaka to go to the next level, and even if it was it would take so much time that the sisters would already be dead.

Destroying laboratories was the best thing that she could have done. If AC wasn't so damn heartless it would have worked too.

rladls716
2013-07-06, 19:25
Yes sisters would be already dead, but she could have possibly saved the remaining ones if she tried.

No, Destroying laboratories was the worst thing that she could have done because it is just wasting her energy AC still proceed with the experiment.

Just like how Mikoto hacked the AC's database about the SISTERS, she can just hack the database about Accelerator's abilites.

Those "several other character" are amateurs and pushovers, and Mikoto isn't.

lazydoggamer
2013-07-06, 19:29
If Misaka hacks the database to learn more about Accelerator she learns nothing other than the fact he's still unbeatable. At this point in time everyone is a pushover to Accelerator

Ilidsor
2013-07-06, 20:00
Yes sisters would be already dead, but she could have possibly saved the remaining ones if she tried.

Wait what? She could have saved them even though they were dead?

No, Destroying laboratories was the worst thing that she could have done because it is just wasting her energy AC still proceed with the experiment.


Sure we know that now but hindsight is 20/20. At the time it made perfect sense for Mikoto to assume that destroying the facilities would end the experiment.

dniv
2013-07-07, 05:01
I have seen it now 8 times and I have a lot of things I missed the first 6 times that I didn't see at all. Here is the entire episode commented on :heh: ...

The start scene with Accelerator was good. The opening was great. I like how they intermesh Touma, Accelerator, MISAKAK 10032, MISAKA 10031, and Mikoto's scenes. This is making it clear that they are all main characters here.

@Mikoto attacking the robots in the laboratory... she has changed and has positively become ruthless here. I understand that she is doing it in order to stop the project and save lives. But she is doing this through fear and violent displays and mainly destruction towards the scientists, their equipment, their hopes and ambitions. It's somewhat sick. She's dishing out to them what Accelerator is dishing out to her. This isn't right. It's twisted. It's like having the bullied turn into a bully. I am not criticizing her for making this choice... all I am saying is that it is clearly wrong. She isn't even hiding her face anymore. Before she was worried that making herself as an enemy public would make her friends in trouble... well she's beyond that now. Obviously she thinks the lives of the sisters are more important than her friends' safety. Otherwise, she would at least disguise herself.

All I'm saying is that here she is too depressed, anguished to act like her normal self and consider what she is doing.

It's true that in season 1 she also attacked laboratories... but that was to save her friends... now she is attacking laboratories to destroy the dreams of the scientists working in them... 1st season= save the good. 2nd season = destroy the evil. Mikoto, as a result of this destruction, is becoming skitzophrenic, depressed, and tainted.

To put it most expressly: she is:

sink(ing) into the depths of the darkness of Academy City.

We should realize this sheds more light on item just by extension. They are part of the darkness of Academy City as they were introduced to us. However, Frenda asked Takitsubo Rikou or hoped that Rikou would be able to escape it some day. We should realize then that even people that powerful that still gave Mikoto lots of trouble were not able to escape their situation and they most likely knew much more of the darkness than she does now. This is partially foreboding to consider.

This hopefully answers the argument that she should destroy the entire city or its darkness. It is not only impossible, but also probably been attempted before by many people... (this is assumed by extension, but not necessarily true)...

This makes episodes 8, 9, 10 much more crucial to her development however. She is treating the scientists equipment much more cruelly than what she did in episodes 8, 9, 10. She was weak then and just wanted to do her job and go away. Now she wants to make the scientists afraid and destroy their ambitions. This is markedly different.

This makes it also important to consider about Accelerator's situation in which he seems to slide into Academy City's darkness. He seemed to be somewhat polite in the beginning with the flashback. It was brief, but it was certainly there. He said he had never fought another level 5 before and was looking for(ward to it). Accelerator might be part of the darkness of the city originally unwillingly. He only wanted to fight not to kill... This could mean that like ITEM (with the #4 included) even the #1 could not escape the city's darkness...

Mikoto's delusion out of her guilt shows that she is slowly starting to be deeply affected by the darkness's influence and she is sinking to its very depths.

Moving on:

There could be a cool factor involved with this statement but Accelerator said: "In the middle of the city, you are crazy." when she shoots (something) at Accelerator. This is somewhat hard to imagine. He is still aware of the distinction between battlefield and city-life. This means of course that he doesn't consider killing to be the only thing he does with his time. If he considers normal life as distinct from the experiments... this is certainly because of the flashback which shows he only considers the sisters to be masses of proteins. This was a nice tidbit I hadn't noticed before. Accelerator obviously treats the darkness as being separate from the city-life. This means he isn't as pessimistic as Mikoto. I'm not praising him here. I'm just noting that he can see that good things exist. Last episode he praised the silent dolls who would carry out their missions. This episode he talks about how city life is separate from the experiments. He can separate himself from the darkness. However, in Mikoto's case the darkness pervades all of her life. It's an interesting dichotomy.

Moving on:

So: for a lol comment. Since he thinks that MISAKA 10031's "ass is pretty," by extension... he thinks the same thing about... ;) :heh: yeah... That's kind of weird... :heh:

Moving on:

They wear the same shoes, same uniform. I wasn't sure about the shoes before, just the uniform. That's good to know.

MO:

Did they reuse the blood from MISAKA 9982's face for the one scene with MISAKA 10031's blood on her face momentarily... it looked similar. I guess that's the convenient part of animating someone and their clones. You can spend less budget and can put it to better use because a lot of your characters look the same. All you have to do is give them accessories to make them look completely different. :cool: Hopefully, this encourages J.C. in terms of their budget for the animation quality of the rest of the season from here on out as well. The animation has improved each episode bit by bit.

MO:

The expression on MISAKA 10031's face is painful. She even gritted her teeth... that's very different from most of the clones we've seen so far. It's even girly... :heh:

MO:

She also seems to be smarter: she guesses reflection at the riddle... Here Accelerator finally explains his ability at least somewhat.

He usually leaves his ability on reflect (meaning he makes it work 100% of the time. The amount of effort to do this is pretty amazing. If you think about other shows where characters train a lot to make their ability work 100% of the time, this means that Accelerator is very strong. Mikoto's ability works through her skin all of the time. But is only sensed by animals. I think that's slightly different though because even the clones can do that... I think using his ability 100% of the time is more impressive.

Also, being able to transform any vector means that he is very capable. Anything with a direction can be transformed by vector transformation and then turned into something else. I'm guessing the limit of his vector transformation is with physical entities or of vectors relating to physics. The ability to affect ideas (abstract vectors) would be a little unsettling if he could do so.

He can affect momentum, heat flux, and electricity. This makes it clear that Mikoto probably wouldn't be able to do anything to him by using electricity directly. However, I'm not sure that this means that if her electricity is strong enough (beyond his level of ability), she would be able to beat him by using it directly.

Another note: in episode 6 everyone was wondering why he didn't kill her. Right, everyone was being all skeptical to this. I have two interesting comments to point out here. If the experiments started not to long ago (he kills them very quickly... it went from 9982 to 10031 pretty fast in only a few days)... this could mean two things.

1) Accelerator hadn't fought another level 5 before when he fought Mikoto then. This means he might not actually know how strong the other level 5's are. I originally thought he was taunting her by acting all powerful because he already knew he was much stronger than her... I don't think he did. I think he actually didn't know he was that much stronger than any of the other level 5's... especially than the #3... hmmmm.... This season Mikoto also fought a level 5 for the first time fully: Mugino Shizuri...

2) Accelerator doesn't want to kill humans. He just wanted to fight with Mikoto. He automatically reflects vectors, but he didn't want to kill her. He wanted to continue the fight with her. I find this interesting because he could have probably killed her with the railgun. I think he knows by now though to be careful enough not to kill people by using it. He went to the lengths of using vector transformation in order not to kill her. This might mean that the only people he cares to hurt are "evil" people that attack him in alleys... He showed this vigilante justice last episode as well... This makes me wonder about him being totally evil. I think he really thinks the clones are dolls and doesn't believe he is killing them (where killing is the same killing as that of a human...) :twitch:

That's rather fascinating to me.

MO:

The echoing of the voice inside her made this absolutely amazing. Mikoto don't listen to the voice. :D That is still painful to watch.... but not really. It's more like amazing to see happen. I mean I feel bad for her, but at this point I just can't help but notice each time how well J.C. staff did this. This, rather than anything else, catches my attention most with her delusions. She tells the voice inside her to shut up. This, by anime standards, is one of the closest to real examples I've seen of them referencing real skitzophrenia by hearing voices. Most anime use hearing voices as a joke or something... not raildex... :upset:

I note that here they put in the same OST from episode 5. I think I know the reason. (It's slightly different here). It was ominous and depressing then... now it is... This was brilliant. It's called Synesthesia: when you associate sounds or senses with events... J.C. staff is impressing me; they are doing their homework I see :D. They have the same music every time she sees a clone die. This of course makes us subconsciously think of episode 5 when we're seeing her have that skitzophrenia and despair at seeing the clone die. This is used to make the episode more epic. I didn't notice this the first time I saw it (I noticed the OST was the same though). I liked the music both times. I like how they put Touma running towards the site. It makes it awesome.

I do have to say that Touma running towards violence makes him have an interesting character. You can hate Touma all you want, but would you run towards gun violence in order to help someone you know possibly in trouble? I'm not sure I would (honestly assessing my fears), if you would that's great. But he can: this is very commendable. Recognizing that this show is making character's emotions/actions realistic/explainable, this means Touma is the type of person who would do this. Those people are very rare. It makes me appreciate him all the more here... You should realize he barely even knows MISAKA 10032 (who he thinks it is originally). They just met and he already is going to save her. That is something I find very admirable.

MO:

Here, the Mikoto scene ended with sobbing... Her resolve to end the experiment seems to have been washed away temporarily. She just watched "herself" and her ideal to save all of the clones both die a second time after all...

I think Accelerator gave hints to the clones about his powers because he wants better sparring matches. He knows that there are 9979 of them left at this point before MISAKA serial # 10031's death, but he wants a better challenge because he actually wants to have good fights... I think this also explains why in episode 5 he killed MISAKA 9982 quickly after she lost her leg. He wanted to end the fight quickly to end her suffering... and because she couldn't fight him anymore. I'm not sure whether this is a twisted form of compassion or something else. I feel like it could be partly compassion and partly because he thought she wouldn't be able to give him a good fight anymore.

I want to also note that since MISAKA 10031 dies from having her blood twisted so much: it's clear from what he says he hasn't done that to people/clones before. This means he is also technically heading further into the darkness with each battle. Away from where he once was at the beginning before the first experiment, before he had ever "killed" a clone (from his mentality).

I don't think he liked that the experiment was being recorded either... The only reason I think he would feel this way would be that he would think it is sick to watch something like this happen... That's weird to imagine since he's the one doing it... :heh: I don't think he would be perturbed at being watched otherwise... (interesting fact).

MO:

So that was a bone... I didn't notice the first few times... That's painful. But then again: "it's just a mass of flesh, bones, and proteins" nothing to worry about... there's no existential meaning in any of them for him to worry about... :heh:

MO:

The flashback with Accelerator:

This episode is called Accelerator so... this is supposed to really be about him. (I like how J.C. staff is not ashamed to make him a main character here). This is gratifying and it helps with understanding that his character development here is pretty important to think about if you want to get the most out of this show (no matter how much you hate him).

He also feels that the gun is out of place. He wants to fight another level 5 and was polite/respectable about it...

When Accelerator attacked her: I think he was angry because MISAKA 1 was using a gun and not fighting him with level 5 powers. I think he was mad because she was underestimating him... hmmmm... He also is surprised that she lost so easily... this is probably because he was expecting her to be a challenge to him... In this way of wanting to fight strong people... this is actually similar to Mikoto wanting to fight Touma :heh: ... an interesting parallel there. Considering that they are both level 5's, it's nice to see that similarity. I'm guessing all or most of the level 5's are like that... wanting to fight strong opponents 1 v 1. Mugino Shizuri was like that too in episode 10 if you all remember.

Accelerator says: "What a letdown" this means he was obviously expecting a challenging fight. Maybe this is part of the reason he is so emotionless in the experiments. He doesn't even see them as a challenge.

MISAKA 1 was described as someone not ceasing operation like a robot. This makes he death to Accelerator seem like the death of a robot... not like that of a person... even though she acted like that... it is important for the viewer to be able to forget what they already know and be able to think exactly like Accelerator does given what he does know. It makes his actions/views much more understandable. MISAKA 1 obeying her orders and fighting to the death for the experiment didn't exactly help him with his thoughts. She was eager to die. Mikoto herself said earlier in episode 6 that she didn't want to help people who didn't want to even stay alive. However, Nunotaba Shinobu's story had an effect on her. Nunotaba even seemed to think during episodes 8,9 that her attempt to give the clones fake emotions might work on Accelerator. That actually makes the amount of attention they gave to that attempt make a lot more sense. Considering that Accelerator has never seen the clones actually trying to survive and not fight in the experiments... this is interesting to think about.

MO:

Accelerator was thinking: "Cease operation... does that mean? Then, MISAKA 1 killed herself using Accelerator when he wasn't looking... because his ability is set on reflect if he isn't paying attention....................................... She didn't even seem to know what death was... this made her humanity seem even more removed....

Also, with Accelerator's comments about how the clones look. If he thinks of them like objects, it would make sense why he would talk about them like that. People do this all the time-- treating objects badly and sometimes animals as well. You aren't polite to mosquitoes, are you? Well he's not polite to synthesized masses of proteins. There have been enough times where I have shouted bloody murder at mosquitoes because they've bitten me all night. This, I'm guessing is somewhat similar. It makes him much more believable as a character and much more human if you think about it. It makes pretty much every wrong he did disappear from what he believes to be true. This means he wasn't making any bad decisions given what he thought was true. This makes it hard to fault him for anything. You shouldn't be expected to do better if you don't know any better... That's an important fact of life. You can't and should not expect someone to do better unless they know that they should.

MO:

I really appreciate them throwing around the word puppets/ dolls... This is very nice... This makes me appreciate Railgun S even more for those of you who understand what I mean by this.

MO:

Accelerator's private life is separate from the experiment. He is still able to get food normally and think about it normally. He waits for streetlights to turn from red to green. That's law-abiding. That's weird to see though. He's strong enough to do a lot of cool things and yet he waits for streetlights. This in itself is interesting and helps emphasize my point that he separates the experiments from his private life. This is in contrast to my earlier view that he only thought about food because he didn't want to think about other intellectual things. At this point he seems to be in denial with relation to the experiment as soon as MISAKA 1's death happened. We can see that he doesn't want to think of them as humans and therefore is able to carry on with life pretty well. In terms of behavorial psychology, this is considered to be neurotic, but an ok defense against the insanity/absurdity of some things in life. It's worse than acceptance in terms of mental health, but is a tool used by people to cope against horrible situations/truths.

MO:

That frame of the picture when Touma sees MISAKA 10031 is intense. The amount of blood he is seeing is unbelievable. That's scarred him surely... I really feel bad for him here. He saw the death, was unable to do anything about it, and then heard about the situation... this was intense..., and then he yelled as loud as Mikoto did (not quite) the first time she saw a death. This is a parallel between the two of them I am noting here. Mikoto's was a yell of vengeance. Touma's was of concern... they were obviously both concerned... but Touma's I am pointing out didn't have the vengeance mixed in... Interesting thing to note.

MO:

It seems the sisters erased all of the evidence. At least he didn't get in trouble. I can't believe they didn't believe him... That's pretty horrible... he must have thought he was going crazy... or was crazy... I would see why... That makes it even worse.

MISAKA 10032 is casually talking about the death. This obviously freaks Touma out. He hasn't found out about the experiment yet and seems to be living a pretty normal life right now... This obviously makes what is happening all the more intense and strange to him. This points out the fact that for pretty much anyone who sees the death and destruction of the experiment, it is hard to act humanely towards those who are involved in it... this cites that even Touma is human ;)

BTW: I'm just curious... why doesn't Mikoto hack the passcode (like Uiharu told her to) and actually read more about the experiment. She doesn't seem to know that much about it... she could be informed about it 100% of the time. The papers she has, I'm sure, are not up to date (they might not be). This would explain why she didn't know about the data transfer with that other laboratory. She probably would have known if she had hacked the system once again from the other laboratory before she destroyed it. They had cancelled outside communications, but not the internal communications networks. I don't see why she wouldn't look at the data again in the new laboratory especially after new labs with new procedures (most likely) probably got the data. The main explanation would be her depression and psychosis.

It's hard to think straight when you are depressed and psychotic because you are racked with guilt.

The MISAKA clones talk in unison here to Touma... I'm pretty sure this crept Touma out as well. It makes sense why Accelerator would call it creepy. If he's disconnected from the events of the experiment he could still think rationally while involved in it and find them talking in unison like some army of robots (one large brain) as creepy...

MO:

The MISAKA's all seem to understand worry as of now. They apologize for the unnecessary worry Touma has... They are developing as a network, but still don't value their lives yet... something else obviously has to happen if that were to become true.

What are you doing?

Just an experiment.

.................................................. .................................................. ..............................

They are apologizing to Touma... this really is interesting. It's like when MISAKA 10031 apologized to Accelerator for the confusion last episode. They are starting to develop more emotions.

And Touma was speechless here. This time I don't mind ;) It makes sense I guess. Even Touma's human :D

Touma now isn't sure about Mikoto's role in this. This makes sense I guess.

MO:

Now Touma is suspicious of Mikoto... Things are just devolving more and more...

He wonders if she knows about this.... I wonder how he feels about her knowing or not knowing. He obviously feels like it's an awkward topic to talk about... This makes their friendship at least somewhat strained obviously.

Level 6 shift project, by killing railgun 128 times, Accelerator can reach level 6. (Eyes open wide and she she sighs) I see. (stands up) So that's what I should do...

Most ominous quote of the whole episode. It was excellent. I want to briefly make a remark about the crosswalk and the traffic light going from red to green. This episode is Accelerator and also one way road (two possible translations). This episode is symbolically talking about how the clones and everyone involved in the experiment is following down this road. There is only one place it can go and it isn't exactly happy... The symbolism is really very much appreciated. They also use the traffic light doing this when Touma is on the bus on the way to Mikoto's dorm to ask her about the traffic light. This is very good symbolism. I really am appreciating J.C. staff's depth in this production. This level of professional animation is way beyond anything else I have seen them animate. Having a week to spend on appreciating each episode helps see this though (It's the first time I've watched a series as it came out each week. I really appreciate it.)

Touma is still also human and doesn't think about the death of MISAKA 10031 in his spare time. He is keeping the cat warm. Another parallel to Mikoto when she thought about her friends after the experiment in episode 6. Touma is still keeping his promise to take care of the cat. That's interesting to see especially after what he saw and what MISAKA 10032 said/told him. He obviously is a kind person here. That he would go that far after finding out this truth. He even takes the cat with him to see Mikoto. I see that Touma is steeling himself up to get ready to talk to her. I wonder what school district Touma was in before with MISAKA 10032...

They have their last names on the room #'s (is this for privacy reasons). They made the dorm look beautiful. I am guessing having multiple animation directors really helps with the quality of this show. This lets them work on many different aspects of what is going on. I am really appreciating all of this work they have put into this. This makes it absolute that I will buy this when it comes to America (in the original Japanese if I have to) :D.

Touma feels bad about the experiment. Mikoto cried all night after it... this is a contrast between Mikoto and Touma... He keeps on moving forward apparently no matter what happens. (he is dumbstruck sometimes though I guess ;) .

This is really well done here.


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

The windmills are moving in the ending. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It took me seven views to notice lololololol. Now this: I give J.C. staff a 12/10 for. This little thing here really makes me give them credit where credit is due. They even made the windmills spin at the beginning of the ending (beginning of the ending hehehe (MISAKA 9982 & MISAKA 10032's faces) :heh: ) . I am appreciating this a lot. This is better than episode 5, for sure. This was just amazing. This was also better than episode 10. This is my favorite episode so far all season. I am really pleased with this.

The windmills were moving for the entire ending. I am pleased :D

The ending lyrics now make sense to me:

Looking up at a sky I didn't know (the clones).
Always, always, I was walking with you (the clones).
I thought I caught a glimpse of a future different from our past. (hmmm)
So I looked for it.
Everything looked so blurry in my eyes. (hmmm)
I thought that I was wandering lost. (Mikoto obviously after this episode).
But when I touched your heart everything changed. (each individual clone).
I've counted the clouds so much, I'm tired of it. (each individual clone).
And they keep drifting into the distance. (each individual clone).
I chased after them and found it. (guess who).
My dream for tomorrow. (guess who).
This moment will never come again. (yes)
I thought it over, and I understood.
Your feelings. (hmmmm).
I know, one day, I'll give you mine too. (hmmm).
Drifting like a cloud, softly, softly. (Mikoto)
Wherever I go, always, always, forward (Mikoto obviously)


Now that I can mostly guess what the ending lyrics refer to completely, I rate the ending as good as the opening. The opening refers to the action side of all the events of each episode. The ending refers to all of the character development throughout the sisters arc of Railgun S. This was a very good stylistic technique. I am wowed by J.C. staff's planning for this. This is the deepest anime have seen so far. If this continues on like it is now, I will say that this will even beat Clannad After Story in terms of not only action, but in its S of L part as well. This is really amazing. Kamachi: thank you for writing. Please don't change your vocation ever. :D

Finally, episode preview:

It was all for naught. Everything. It's all my fault. And now, the only way I can save them is...

That's the most depressing line of this whole season so far. Wow. That's unlike her. This foreshadowing for the next episode: PROMISE is making me ecstatic. I want next episode already. It's been 13 weeks already. People say 13 is an unlucky number. It seems to be lucky here. hopefully since 13, an unlucky number was so good, 14 will be even better :D

Also, if you guys notice. That last scene from the preview... it's on a bridge. :D

That was my episode review. This was an 11/10 episode. It had some 12/10 scenes in it though. Good job J.C. staff!!!

If anyone wants to beat this wall of text: try it. :D

Shadrala
2013-07-07, 07:01
You made some very interesting points in that mammoth of a post there, dniv- given me some thoughts to muse over for a while. Anyways, about your question:

BTW: I'm just curious... why doesn't Mikoto hack the passcode (like Uiharu told her to) and actually read more about the experiment. She doesn't seem to know that much about it... she could be informed about it 100% of the time. The papers she has, I'm sure, are not up to date (they might not be). This would explain why she didn't know about the data transfer with that other laboratory. She probably would have known if she had hacked the system once again from the other laboratory before she destroyed it. They had cancelled outside communications, but not the internal communications networks. I don't see why she wouldn't look at the data again in the new laboratory especially after new labs with new procedures (most likely) probably got the data. The main explanation would be her depression and psychosis.

It's hard to think straight when you are depressed and psychotic because you are racked with guilt.

I think Mikoto didn't read further about the experiments, not because she couldn't, but because she didn't want to know more. The fact that these 20000 clones of herself were becoming killed without a thought was enough for her to take action. After meeting Accelerator, she had crossed that boundary into the darkness, but wanted to keep herself ignorant. I believe this was shown when she said in episode 8 (to herself): "How often are they holding these experiments? I don't even want to know". She refused to know more than necessary. Ignorance is bliss, you know... and she wanted to allow herself that. I think it also adds to her guilt later on, when she realises everything she had done was for nothing. The fact that she had allowed herself some leniency, believing that she could end it all without having to immerse herself deeper into that darkness, coupled with the original guilt she felt (donating her DNA), led to the messy mental state we found her in this episode.

Well, at least, that's what I think :) I agree with your last statement though. Once she realised none of her plans were working (i.e. tree diagram failure) and fell into desperation, I guess any sense of rationality flew out of the window.

dniv
2013-07-07, 07:40
You made some very interesting points in that mammoth of a post there, dniv- given me some thoughts to muse over for a while. Anyways, about your question:



I think Mikoto didn't read further about the experiments, not because she couldn't, but because she didn't want to know more. The fact that these 20000 clones of herself were becoming killed without a thought was enough for her to take action. After meeting Accelerator, she had crossed that boundary into the darkness, but wanted to keep herself ignorant. I believe this was shown when she said in episode 8 (to herself): "How often are they holding these experiments? I don't even want to know". She refused to know more than necessary. Ignorance is bliss, you know... and she wanted to allow herself that. I think it also adds to her guilt later on, when she realises everything she had done was for nothing. The fact that she had allowed herself some leniency, believing that she could end it all without having to immerse herself deeper into that darkness, coupled with the original guilt she felt (donating her DNA), led to the messy mental state we found her in this episode.

Well, at least, that's what I think :) I agree with your last statement though. Once she realised none of her plans were working (i.e. tree diagram failure) and fell into desperation, I guess any sense of rationality flew out of the window.

Good points. I need to rewatch episode 8 :heh: I forgot about that actually. I wasn't paying too much attention to discussion there because it was with Frenda lol :heh: I'm not sure that's a good thing though...

Lulu Vie Britania
2013-07-07, 08:17
So: for a lol comment. Since he thinks that MISAKA 10031's "ass is pretty," by extension... he thinks the same thing about... ;) :heh: yeah... That's kind of weird... :heh:


Haha I don't think he said it sincerely after all :D Just wanted to hurt her with those words so let's put Mikoto aside :D

dniv
2013-07-07, 08:39
Haha I don't think he said it sincerely after all :D Just wanted to hurt her with those words so let's put Mikoto aside :D

That's funny. Lol.

B-but I don't see why he'd hurt a clone with words if he thinks they are human? Maybe he is beginning to realize they have emotions? I don't think so... He was impressed that clones could silently perform their duties just last episode like 10 minutes or something before the fight... why would that make him say that to "hurt them" :D

BTW: I didn't say it was Mikoto. It can be of course. However, by extension: it is her and any clone of her ;) except MISAKA 1 to 10031 *ouch* that was probably too soon.

chaos_animagic
2013-07-07, 13:39
*mindbreak* Mikoto looks creepy-emo yet badass...

She should sign up to be the major villain instead.

relentlessflame
2013-07-07, 14:47
Note: I created a new thread
Methods and Possibilities for Defeating Accelerator [Speculation]

Some posts were moved there.

freeofgreed
2013-07-07, 15:38
Note: I created a new thread
Methods and Possibilities for Defeating Accelerator [Speculation]

Some posts were moved there.

Are we allowed to reference the LN/Manga in that thread or no?

dniv
2013-07-07, 17:17
If Misaka hacks the database to learn more about Accelerator she learns nothing other than the fact he's still unbeatable. At this point in time everyone is a pushover to Accelerator

I want to point out that if this arc does end happily then he isn't unbeatable. Otherwise, this arcs' ending is going to be hecka sad.

*mindbreak* Mikoto looks creepy-emo yet badass...

She should sign up to be the major villain instead.

For some reason, I was thinking the same thing for a few moments. :D

Goldzero
2013-07-07, 17:24
loved it, this episode was amazing and bonus the fact that touma designs looks great(glad they upgraded it) and the gruesome death imouto 10031 had was unbearably painful to watch. i love how touma feels so different in railgun S he just feels so much more likable and more realistic. i be lieing if i say touma wasn't the most anticipated character for me in railgun. accelerator himself was amazing this episode but sadly im starting to have a hate/love relationship with him now seeing how gruesome he makes hes kills is enough to in flare me with so much rage that it almost made me rooted for that one scene in index season one where he technically almost got(you know by that one scientist) but none of the less he is still 3rd fav character and 2nd in the raildex series.

dniv
2013-07-07, 19:00
loved it, this episode was amazing and bonus the fact that touma designs looks great(glad they upgraded it) and the gruesome death imouto 10031 had was unbearably painful to watch. i love how touma feels so different in railgun S he just feels so much more likable and more realistic. i be lieing if i say touma wasn't the most anticipated character for me in railgun. accelerator himself was amazing this episode but sadly im starting to have a hate/love relationship with him now seeing how gruesome he makes hes kills is enough to in flare me with so much rage that it almost made me rooted for that one scene in index season one where he technically almost got(you know by that one scientist) but none of the less he is still 3rd fav character and 2nd in the raildex series.

Lol. That's your reaction after seeing an episode called Accelerator. I don't think Accelerator would like to see your reaction after an episode called evil Accelerator :heh: ...

This episode actually permanently changed my opinion. Accelerator became my #2 favorite character ahead of Mikoto and Mikoto and Hama---- are tied at #3. This is mainly because even though Mikoto has some really great scenes, Accelerator really is dealing with more troubles than her. Mikoto has had clones made of her which is very painful. Accelerator was forceably tricked into killing 10031 clones that are human. This is ridiculous. Do you know what this would do to his psychological state as soon as he realizes that the experiments and the civilian world are linked? See my massively long post for references to this fact.

I agree with you here about Touma. Touma is actually human :heh: not a God... well... yeah... :D But, Accelerator is pretty much blameless IMO. He didn't know he did wrong, how can you blame him? But he has to deal with it because he did it because that's just how life it. Is isn't what you meant to do. It's what you did. This is what makes this arc so good. The main villain here isn't even really a villain at all, but acts more villainous than most villains. This is the paradox that makes this arc so great from all of the angles. Mikoto, Accelerator, Touma, and the clones all have complex characters.... Well Touma's character isn't that complex yet, but seeing that the PV has him on the bridge next episode talking to Mikoto I am guessing that he does get a more complex character next episode.

Given that fact: this arc is amazing because it isn't black and white or 1-dimensional. Even the scientists don't really realize what they are doing is wrong as Nunotaba points out. They are bad, but mostly not exactly evil. But that's a whole other discussion. Even the clones are trying to kill Accelerator in each fight. So it's not like he's the own one trying to kill. In the first experiment. MISAKA 1 tried to kill Accelerator. The clones are trying to kill as well. How are they any better than Accelerator in this sense? They are ordered to try to kill him and they attempt to do it. Accelerator is just stronger. The clones are just as bad as Accelerator IMO. Accelerator just does worse things when he wins because of how his personality has been twisted in different ways. I really seem to think this arc highlights the best parts of Accelerator's character and makes him my #2 favorite character in raildex for now. It's mainly because I find that he is almost completely blameless, because anyone realistically wouldn't want to accept they are a killer if they just found out they were one of no fault of their own really... but were really one. Accelerator's response to this fact is just as bad as Mikoto's. For many real people it is a type of neuroticism to be able to separate yourself from events. You do it to protect your sanity. It's like Mikoto's experiences with her guilt. She is dealing with it neurotically. This mental instability might have to do with their increased powers, but that is mere speculation here. I really feel bad Accelerator is getting all of the hate that he does. He is really just stronger than the clones. I am sure he would stop fighting them as soon as they told him they didn't want to fight. That's what Nunotaba said to him. Clones obviously make the whole human rights thing mushy as an idea. The fact that this is a city of science obviously makes the issue all the more difficult to consider. If you are religious the answer is obvious, if not the answer is clearly open to interpretation.

relentlessflame
2013-07-07, 19:12
Are we allowed to reference the LN/Manga in that thread or no?
It's a speculation thread primarily and it's in the anime section (not the manga/novel sections), so keep it to a bare minimum.

dniv
2013-07-07, 19:29
It's a speculation thread primarily and it's in the anime section (not the manga/novel sections), so keep it to a bare minimum.

Oh. I'll keep that in mind in future posts. By the way, I wanted to make sure: so when talking about Touma or any character here we can talk about Railgun specific tendencies of him in the episode discussion threads. This episode I tried to synthesize different things from earlier episodes of railgun S. Is this normally allowed/encouraged or would you prefer episode specific discussion? The reason I did it the way I did was because a lot of things from this episode seemed to shed some light on past events that had happened. The most important one in my opinion was why I think Accelerator didn't kill Mikoto in episode 5 (because then we wouldn't have a main character here :heh: ). Thanks in advance for your answer. I try as hard as possible to make my long posts not break any forum rules so that readers and I can get the most out of the forums.

I try to avoid bad posts as I am entering month 3 on the forum. :D

relentlessflame
2013-07-07, 19:52
By the way, I wanted to make sure: so when talking about Touma or any character here we can talk about Railgun specific tendencies of him in the episode discussion threads.
Discussion in the episode threads should primarily relate to things shown in this episode or insights gained as a result of this episode, and should be in the context of the Railgun anime.

There are other threads for insights gained from the Index anime, the Railgun manga, and the Index novels.

Marcus H.
2013-07-08, 02:57
^ Now, that's just confusing. =_=

Anyway, looks like everyone has already talked about what happened.
And I'm still shaken by the events in the episode. I need something to dilute all that despair.

Oh, for those interested, the text below includes the graphic details of what Misaka 10031 looked like in the light novels. Please be warned, it's not pretty at all.

She was lying face up as if she were staring up at the rectangular visible portion of the purple sky.

There was a sea of blood. The sea of blood was so large that it made one wonder if a single human body really held that much blood. It wasn’t just on the ground. Both walls were painted red up to eye-level. It looked like someone had wrung out a human body to get every last drop of blood out.

In the centre of that explosion of red lay a girl.

The arms and legs extending out from the short-sleeves and the skirt were torn up. It was most likely the same on her skin within her clothes that he could not see. Her school uniform had been dyed so red that its original colors could no longer be seen, but the clothes themselves were not torn at all.

Her body seemed to have been torn apart from the inside along the paths of the blood vessels as if someone had passed narrow wires through all of them and then forcibly torn the wires out. Her torn-up arms were reminiscent of a diagram of a dissected frog. The torn-up girl had nothing that could actually be called a “face”. Instead, she had what looked like an open flower or a peeled boiled egg. It was a dark-red cavity with pink muscles and soft yellow fat inside.

Chaos2Frozen
2013-07-08, 03:10
This franchise would have a very different fanbase had they stuck through with every single one of those scenes.

KiraYamatoFan
2013-07-08, 04:21
When I look at how things are going, there are days when I wish Misaka would start killing people involved in that madness. Such scene would be powerful if at every single time, the scientist begs for mercy and says that he/she has a family before Mikoto doesn't give a damn anymore and then electrocutes the person to death on the spot. The chief scientist in the research network deserves to die anyway.

All of that to say that this series is making quite a buildup for fans to wish Mikoto spilling blood on the other side.

Chaos2Frozen
2013-07-08, 04:45
When I look at how things are going, there are days when I wish Misaka would start killing people involved in that madness. Such scene would be powerful if at every single time, the scientist begs for mercy and says that he/she has a family before Mikoto doesn't give a damn anymore and then electrocutes the person to death on the spot. The chief scientist in the research network deserves to die anyway.

All of that to say that this series is making quite a buildup for fans to wish Mikoto spilling blood on the other side.

Mikoto becoming like Mugino is what you desire :nod: ?

KiraYamatoFan
2013-07-08, 05:03
Mikoto becoming like Mugino is what you desire :nod: ?

Well, after what those crazy scientists did, it's hard not to when it comes to how to drop the hammer on them. ;)

Chaos2Frozen
2013-07-08, 05:10
Well, after what those crazy scientists did, it's hard not to when it comes to how to drop the hammer on them. ;)

That's not the point- its what Mikoto would become.

Someone who doesn't have to follow the law to get what she wants, and if it costs a few lives so be it- just justify it away.

Those other Level 5s probably started that way as well.

Ihaxlikenoob
2013-07-08, 05:43
That's not the point- its what Mikoto would become.

Someone who doesn't have to follow the law to get what she wants, and if it costs a few lives so be it- just justify it away.

Those other Level 5s probably started that way as well.

Sunk into the depths of DESPAIR.

Chaos2Frozen
2013-07-08, 05:49
Sunk into the depths of DESPAIR.

Heh, maybe JC Staff will see that more people responded favorably to all this despair than their SOL fluff and we'll get more of them in the future :D

willyvereb
2013-07-08, 05:50
Indeed, Mikoto's current state is very similar to most of the villains we meet in ToAru.

dniv
2013-07-08, 06:29
^ Now, that's just confusing. =_=

Anyway, looks like everyone has already talked about what happened.
And I'm still shaken by the events in the episode. I need something to dilute all that despair.

Oh, for those interested, the text below includes the graphic details of what Misaka 10031 looked like in the light novels. Please be warned, it's not pretty at all.

She was lying face up as if she were staring up at the rectangular visible portion of the purple sky.

There was a sea of blood. The sea of blood was so large that it made one wonder if a single human body really held that much blood. It wasn’t just on the ground. Both walls were painted red up to eye-level. It looked like someone had wrung out a human body to get every last drop of blood out.

In the centre of that explosion of red lay a girl.

The arms and legs extending out from the short-sleeves and the skirt were torn up. It was most likely the same on her skin within her clothes that he could not see. Her school uniform had been dyed so red that its original colors could no longer be seen, but the clothes themselves were not torn at all.

Her body seemed to have been torn apart from the inside along the paths of the blood vessels as if someone had passed narrow wires through all of them and then forcibly torn the wires out. Her torn-up arms were reminiscent of a diagram of a dissected frog. The torn-up girl had nothing that could actually be called a “face”. Instead, she had what looked like an open flower or a peeled boiled egg. It was a dark-red cavity with pink muscles and soft yellow fat inside.

I thought you might find this interesting because you do know the details... I've seen this episode 9 times. There are a few frames if you pause it where you see exactly what you described. You see that exact scene. It is in there. It's only there though if you pause it... So Railgun S really actually put that in... I was pretty surprised, but I wasn't sure anyone else would really notice... so I didn't originally mention it. I hope that shakes up your guys's discussion/opinions because in reality they showed all of it. It was all there for a split-second... :heh:

I don't think I can find the pic online anywhere... but I'll try to post it on TAMNI wikia and use that link... if I can eventually...

Indeed, Mikoto's current state is very similar to most of the villains we meet in ToAru.

Yes, this is somewhat how I feel. They do bad things because they have been driven to do them and are normally good people. In that context, I don't see why Mikoto should be special if every other one of the villains they face has similar circumstances that cause the villains to undergo similar turmoil. If people pity Mikoto here, they should in fact pity all Toaru villains a lot... that is... I don't think Mikoto is in the right here.... But she is doing her best... I guess... I am not happy with her actions... but there are 24 episodes in Railgun S... she became a villain in 13 episodes, she can undo it hopefully in another 11... :heh:

Destined_Fate
2013-07-08, 11:30
It's because Mikoto has friends and Touma that she doesn't end up like them.

hamazura
2013-07-08, 13:29
haha dat misaka 00001 act with pistol is so funny, but cruel end, poor clone :(
Hoping the studio will make super plot twist route where accel kill touma and ultimately kill 20k sister and become level6. So instead of indexIII, we will get to aru badass no accelerator spin-off :p

Apache Thunder
2013-07-08, 16:25
Yeah the first clones are definitely closer to that of small children in terms of behavior and IQ.

Even though they were loaded with information and basic stuff from the Testament machine, they pretty much had little real world experience or social skills relating to interactions with other humans.

I would expect the clones to have developed a little bit since the end of the project but overall I would suspect they are all pretty much in the same standing as Last Order mentally speaking. (hence why they are only level 2/3s)

They have a sorta simplified sense of humor like for example one clone getting a laugh from naming a cat "Dog". :P

Overall they were designed to definitely appear and behave like younger sisters of Misaka and this increases their overall "cuteness" factor and thus make the audience want to emphasize and be protective over them. Thus increasing the drama/sadness when one killed on screen.

dniv
2013-07-08, 20:20
Yeah the first clones are definitely closer to that of small children in terms of behavior and IQ.

Even though they were loaded with information and basic stuff from the Testament machine, they pretty much had little real world experience or social skills relating to interactions with other humans.

I would expect the clones to have developed a little bit since the end of the project but overall I would suspect they are all pretty much in the same standing as Last Order mentally speaking. (hence why they are only level 2/3s)

They have a sorta simplified sense of humor like for example one clone getting a laugh from naming a cat "Dog". :P

Overall they were designed to definitely appear and behave like younger sisters of Misaka and this increases their overall "cuteness" factor and thus make the audience want to emphasize and be protective over them. Thus increasing the drama/sadness when one killed on screen.


This was put pretty much perfectly. :D

Ihaxlikenoob
2013-07-08, 20:25
Yeah the first clones are definitely closer to that of small children in terms of behavior and IQ.

Even though they were loaded with information and basic stuff from the Testament machine, they pretty much had little real world experience or social skills relating to interactions with other humans.

I would expect the clones to have developed a little bit since the end of the project but overall I would suspect they are all pretty much in the same standing as Last Order mentally speaking. (hence why they are only level 2/3s)

They have a sorta simplified sense of humor like for example one clone getting a laugh from naming a cat "Dog". :P

Overall they were designed to definitely appear and behave like younger sisters of Misaka and this increases their overall "cuteness" factor and thus make the audience want to emphasize and be protective over them. Thus increasing the drama/sadness when one killed on screen.

TL;DR

They're supposed to clutch at your heart strings and make you go HHHNNNNNGGG!! when they die. . .

...

I feel sad now.

Apache Thunder
2013-07-08, 20:33
TL;DR

lol you must be lazy :p. That's one of my shorter posts. Here's more text that you most likely won't read. :D



Cuteness in human history evolved to to help parents protect their children and bond with them.

Hence things like small animals and other creatures that show similar appearance and/or behavior of babies and young children tend to evoke the "cute" response and thus what comes with this is the need to cuddle/protect. It's a side effect of an instinct our ancestors have evolved to have to better project our offspring from threats thus guaranteeing that our species survive.

So it makes perfect since that if a character designer want characters with a tragic back-story to be easier to emphasize with, they would make them either physically cute, or make their overall behavior cute. Thus the childlike mindset the clones have. (They are physically 14, but they are much much younger mentally with a small IQ push from the use of the Testament machine)

If they were just complete emotionless drones with little individuality or child like behavior, they would seem more like dolls/robots to the audience and thus harder for folks to see the ethical ramifications of their existence and the terrible losses incurred from the experiment they were forced into and wouldn't have much reason to care for them.

There are a few different types of cute and the clones represent more of a emotional/mental cuteness. While yes Misaka's appearance is a little cute, most of the "cuteness" come from their behavior and not really from their physical appearance which is especially important since they are clones and all share the same physical appearance. Their bodies physical age were artificially accelerated so that their "true age" is hidden. Thus their behavior would be needed to flesh out their true age.

So yes, I found the fate of Misaka clone 00001 sad seeing how it died. When a person perceived as young and innocent and full of potential growth have a tragic ending like that, it makes me feel sad and serves the purpose of causing me to want to help the other clones avoid the same fate. Hence the heart-wrench when a child is killed. :(

If you ever wanted to know what "cute" is in human psychology. I pretty much summed it up. :D

leukrota
2013-07-08, 21:45
@Apache Thunder - Well explained.

Though I'm going a bit off-topic with this (just a bit), you can also see this effect even in our pet selections. There are some dog breeds that are cute/cuddly/defenseless to the point that they would not survive in the wild. Those are animals that evolved through what we could call "the survival of the cutest" and now rely completely on humanity.

That's how ingrained our affection for cute stuff is in our genes. Dependable enough for other species to "take advantage of".


So yeah, cute looking and/or cute behaving clones work very well to provoke that "hhhnnnggg" reaction.

dniv
2013-07-08, 23:59
lol you must be lazy :p. That's one of my shorter posts. Here's more text that you most likely won't read. :D



Cuteness in human history evolved to to help parents protect their children and bond with them.

Hence things like small animals and other creatures that show similar appearance and/or behavior of babies and young children tend to evoke the "cute" response and thus what comes with this is the need to cuddle/protect. It's a side effect of an instinct our ancestors have evolved to have to better project our offspring from threats thus guaranteeing that our species survive.

So it makes perfect since that if a character designer want characters with a tragic back-story to be easier to emphasize with, they would make them either physically cute, or make their overall behavior cute. Thus the childlike mindset the clones have. (They are physically 14, but they are much much younger mentally with a small IQ push from the use of the Testament machine)

If they were just complete emotionless drones with little individuality or child like behavior, they would seem more like dolls/robots to the audience and thus harder for folks to see the ethical ramifications of their existence and the terrible losses incurred from the experiment they were forced into and wouldn't have much reason to care for them.

There are a few different types of cute and the clones represent more of a emotional/mental cuteness. While yes Misaka's appearance is a little cute, most of the "cuteness" come from their behavior and not really from their physical appearance which is especially important since they are clones and all share the same physical appearance. Their bodies physical age were artificially accelerated so that their "true age" is hidden. Thus their behavior would be needed to flesh out their true age.

So yes, I found the fate of Misaka clone 00001 sad seeing how it died. When a person perceived as young and innocent and full of potential growth have a tragic ending like that, it makes me feel sad and serves the purpose of causing me to want to help the other clones avoid the same fate. Hence the heart-wrench when a child is killed. :(

If you ever wanted to know what "cute" is in human psychology. I pretty much summed it up. :D

I agree with you about this, I like long posts :D This one obviously isn't one.

Ihaxlikenoob
2013-07-09, 00:41
lol you must be lazy :p. That's one of my shorter posts. Here's more text that you most likely won't read. :D



Cuteness in human history evolved to to help parents protect their children and bond with them.

Hence things like small animals and other creatures that show similar appearance and/or behavior of babies and young children tend to evoke the "cute" response and thus what comes with this is the need to cuddle/protect. It's a side effect of an instinct our ancestors have evolved to have to better project our offspring from threats thus guaranteeing that our species survive.

So it makes perfect since that if a character designer want characters with a tragic back-story to be easier to emphasize with, they would make them either physically cute, or make their overall behavior cute. Thus the childlike mindset the clones have. (They are physically 14, but they are much much younger mentally with a small IQ push from the use of the Testament machine)

If they were just complete emotionless drones with little individuality or child like behavior, they would seem more like dolls/robots to the audience and thus harder for folks to see the ethical ramifications of their existence and the terrible losses incurred from the experiment they were forced into and wouldn't have much reason to care for them.

There are a few different types of cute and the clones represent more of a emotional/mental cuteness. While yes Misaka's appearance is a little cute, most of the "cuteness" come from their behavior and not really from their physical appearance which is especially important since they are clones and all share the same physical appearance. Their bodies physical age were artificially accelerated so that their "true age" is hidden. Thus their behavior would be needed to flesh out their true age.

So yes, I found the fate of Misaka clone 00001 sad seeing how it died. When a person perceived as young and innocent and full of potential growth have a tragic ending like that, it makes me feel sad and serves the purpose of causing me to want to help the other clones avoid the same fate. Hence the heart-wrench when a child is killed. :(

If you ever wanted to know what "cute" is in human psychology. I pretty much summed it up. :D

Nah, I did read it, I just made that point for others who didn't want to read it entirely.
If you look at the bottom of first page of this thread ( assuming you're set at 40 posts per page ) you'll see a have moderately large sized post too.

I'd be a hypocrite if didn't read other posts as big as mine.

relentlessflame
2013-07-09, 02:03
By the way... when you're responding to a long post and using a quote, you don't need to quote the whole thing and so push the whole page down with a repeat. :heh: Try just to pick the most relevant parts, if possible.

Ihaxlikenoob
2013-07-09, 02:26
By the way... when you're responding to a long post and using a quote, you don't need to quote the whole thing and so push the whole page down with a repeat. :heh: Try just to pick the most relevant parts, if possible.

I was on a phone, too muh text and it's tiresome deleting that stuff.

...

Σ (; ̄Д ̄)

Oh god he was right, I am lazy.

dniv
2013-07-09, 02:54
I was on a phone, too muh text and it's tiresome deleting that stuff.

...

Σ (; ̄Д ̄)

Oh god he was right, I am lazy.

So you read my entire post? I applaud you. It had 3-5 page downs I think :heh:

Apparently not lazy enough not to find the symbols for summation notation and a chair ;)

Apache Thunder
2013-07-09, 11:01
lol I was joking. But it was good knowing I was accidentally correct about you being lazy. :D

StaticLord
2013-07-09, 14:30
It was all there for a split-second... :heh:


Are you like, sure you didin't see things? If you say again you're positive it was there I'm going to search for that scene frame by frame tommorow.

Edit: I just did a frame by frame check from 14:44 to 15:06. Nothing.

Apache Thunder
2013-07-09, 15:15
lol Why are you searching for something you will likely wish you could unsee? :D

dniv
2013-07-10, 05:13
Are you like, sure you didin't see things? If you say again you're positive it was there I'm going to search for that scene frame by frame tommorow.

Edit: I just did a frame by frame check from 14:44 to 15:06. Nothing.


I meant what you could see at 14:57. I mean it shows everything described in the novel pretty much... you just have to look it at for like a full minute to actually realize what you are seeing :heh: ... it's not up close if that's what you were asking for.... :heh:

lol Why are you searching for something you will likely wish you could unsee? :D

To prove a point about the animation quality of J.C. staff :heh:

StaticLord
2013-07-10, 06:49
I meant what you could see at 14:57. I mean it shows everything described in the novel pretty much... you just have to look it at for like a full minute to actually realize what you are seeing :heh: ... it's not up close if that's what you were asking for.... :heh:


Ah, yes. I was actualy expecting her massacred body with all the gory details hidden in some frame.

My bad. :p

dniv
2013-07-10, 06:54
Ah, yes. I was actualy expecting her massacred body with all the gory details hidden in some frame.

My bad. :p

Oh yeah sorry about that... :heh: :p

Cosmic Eagle
2013-07-11, 05:16
I meant what you could see at 14:57. I mean it shows everything described in the novel pretty much... you just have to look it at for like a full minute to actually realize what you are seeing :heh: ... it's not up close if that's what you were asking for.... :heh:


They did show her getting blown up like some war footage though

dniv
2013-07-11, 23:53
They did show her getting blown up like some war footage though

Right.... :heh:

MrTerrorist
2013-07-15, 12:13
Finally manage to watch this episode.
This episode was saddening and horrifying.
Mikoto rampage, Misaka 10031 horrifying death while Mikoto could only do but watch, Misaka 1 final moments.

So much emotion was in this episode and i'm glad Railgun S redid every scene of the events of this arc compare on what happen in Index.

A 10!

HandofFate
2013-07-19, 23:30
It was kind of amusing seeing how 00001 acted.
Pretty much a kid thinking everything is a game. She was actually excited to participate before going "omg the pain"