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Xander
2013-08-30, 01:45
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Fireminer
2013-08-30, 03:06
A bit too soon!

monir
2013-08-31, 01:27
A bit too soon!

Isn't there a screening scheduled for the August 31st? Anyway, the thread will help to deter any mix up in discussion between episode two and one. Fans can also use this thread to voice their expectation, anticipation, etc...

Xander
2013-08-31, 01:58
Here's the official information on the 8/31 special screening:

http://www.geass.jp/akito/event.html

There should be early spoilers from that event soon enough. It would be nice if people used spoiler tags to hide them.

And here are the schedules of the Japanese theaters showing this on 9/14:

http://www.geass.jp/akito/movie_theatre.html

Fireminer
2013-08-31, 06:59
Isn't there a screening scheduled for the August 31st? Anyway, the thread will help to deter any mix up in discussion between episode two and one. Fans can also use this thread to voice their expectation, anticipation, etc...

Umm, I mean that it will take months for the sub to come out...

gordol
2013-08-31, 12:15
Spoilers so far:


-No C.C, producer said she'll appear in OVA 3, Spring 2014 apparently
-The face open mode doesn't appear
-No Lancelot, only in OVA 3 PV along a statue of Charles
-Some guy named Julius Bradley/Kingsley appears. Is he Lelouch? Same voice and look. Suzaku is escorting him since he's the new Britannia strategist for EU
-Leila fanservice
-Asura survives along his squad and escapes using Slash Harken
-The Alexander squad is launched in a rocket for a space drop. No Alexander floating in space as seen on PV

If anyone that knows japanese and wants to gather better info just visit this thread and read from post 266 onward:

http://ikura.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/anime2/1376037502/

DuelGundam2099
2013-08-31, 12:45
*Reads that fifth spoiler*

I find that hard to believe (nothing against you, gordol). Regardless I am hoping this will be more action packed than the last episode or at least explain why France is anti-Japanese other than "we just are!".

gordol
2013-08-31, 12:55
*Reads that fifth spoiler*

I find that hard to believe (nothing against you, gordol). Regardless I am hoping this will be more action packed than the last episode or at least explain why France is anti-Japanese other than "we just are!".

Then start believing son because OVA 3 will most likely be:

Suzaku & Lelouch VS W0 unit

Xander
2013-08-31, 13:12
I'm not skeptical about that, based on a cryptic comment the director made earlier this year. Which now makes a bit more sense based on the spoiler in question.

It's a crazy idea, which is fitting for Code Geass, but there's one or two relatively obvious methods to explain that away without affecting continuity.

As with everything else, I won't pass judgment on it before seeing the results for myself.

Other than that...people seem to be very impressed by the battle scenes once again, but there are also more character moments for the new cast.

It appears the second episode is also slightly longer? Some claim it's about 59 minutes or so (including credits and so on, I guess).

gordol
2013-08-31, 13:13
I'm not skeptical about that, based on a cryptic comment the director made earlier this year. Which now makes a bit more sense based on the spoiler in question.

It's a crazy idea, which is fitting for Code Geass, but there's one or two relatively obvious methods to explain that away without affecting continuity.

As with everything else, I won't pass judgment on it before seeing the results for myself.

Other than that...people seem to be very impressed by the battle scenes once again, but there are also more character moments for the new cast.

It appears the second episode is also slightly longer? Some claim it's about 59 minutes or so.

what comment was that? memory has failed me

Xander
2013-08-31, 13:20
what comment was that? memory has failed me


I'm not sure if your usual sources reported this, but...


During an event in Spain, Kazuki Akane said that OVA 2 would have a "gift" for the fans of the original series.

Link:

http://www.deculture.es/2013/05/27/entrevista-kazuki-akane-director-escaflowne/

gordol
2013-08-31, 13:22
I'm not sure if your usual sources reported this, but...


During an event in Spain, Kazuki Akane said that OVA 2 would have a "gift" for the fans of the original series.

Link:

http://www.deculture.es/2013/05/27/entrevista-kazuki-akane-director-escaflowne/


Thanks, now we wait if some good soul gives a decent summary or until the 9/14 when more people will watch it

Expect the PSN version and the free long PV to come around October

DuelGundam2099
2013-08-31, 15:59
Then start believing son because OVA 3 will most likely be:
:twitch: Well I'll be looking out for that. And son? I thought we were around the same age.:heh:
I'm not sure if your usual sources reported this, but...
Hmm, I don't understand [insert language here] but I know google translate!
This past weekend was held in Granada on Ficzone , and on this occasion was attended by Kazuki Akane , director in our country especially known for his work on The Vision of Escaflowne , and other work as Birdy the Mighty , Noein or the recent OVA of Code Geass : Akito the Exiled . We could have a chat with him , in which we talked about his beginnings , his work in Escaflowne , its step by Sunrise and has given us an interesting point of view about fansubs . Hope you enjoy .



What can you tell of his early playing minor positions in works like Bio Armor Ryger , Dragon Warrior or Ronin Warriors ?

All these series I made as co -director, and really did what I asked , not really what I wanted to do, but something needed in the production process. They were jobs I did and then to level up. Get higher power depended on my results in this series .

Years later Escaflowne directorial debut , what comes to the project? Can we speak of him as the great leap of his career ?

As I said , thanks to all the work previously carried out because the producer had liked my Escaflowne action scenes and battle scenes required a level , got the job. And yes , of course , since I moved pretty Escaflowne things for me.
" Escaflowne The first designs were normal robots , I thought that was not as interesting and I really like the samurai , I wanted to introduce the features of these robots"

The series, in fact, is very popular in the West.

Since the end of the broadcast of the series in Japan , two years after I saw it began to translate the series into Spanish , Portuguese, Italian ... And I said I thought so , that the series was succeeding .

4 Interview kazuki akane interview Kazuki Akane , director of Escaflowne

One of the things Escaflowne characteristics are mechanical designs . How did you participate in the production process of these?

Escaflowne The first designs were normal robots , I thought that it was interesting, and as I really like the samurai , I wanted to introduce the features of these robots, like armor and cloaks , mixed together with the shape of the Knights of the series . As I thought that to date had never done anything like that , that's why I designed the robots in this way.

While he has held various positions as director , resume see numerous works by the storyboard , what enjoy most?

I prefer to work as a director, because I like to have control of everything, like the sound , plot, everything. I prefer it to a storyboard mainly because I think the sound is very important , a storyboard only paper, and also as a director is also part of my job to supervise .
" The preparations for the OVA of Code Geass have taken between one and a half to two years "

After Escaflowne would see as a director in Heat Guy J , what perceived differences between what was his first project and this second time ?

After I was doing well Geneshaft Escaflowne , and both this and in Heat Guy J had to use a lot of 3D animation , because the company that made ​​these picture Satelight was originally a 3D animation studio .

So basically this was the difference , having to know how to handle you to enter the 3D in the series, being one of the first jobs that are beginning to use this technique , as seen in robots Heat Guy J.

What leads you to engage in the role of a heroine as Birdy the Mighty ? Starting from the 1996 OVA , how to adapt the series back to anime?

The mangaka who made the original manga , Masami Yuuki , liked my work in Noein , and wanted me to do the anime.

Moreover, when he left the 1996 OVA was when he was with Escaflowne , and the director of the OVA , Yoshiaki Kawajiri , ten years older than me , but did not know it was like my senior , and I really liked their work. So when I had to take care of the series had a bit of pressure in the sense that my senpai had done well and I wanted to keep up .

kazuki akane interview Interview with Kazuki Akane , director of Escaflowne

It has been several years between Birdy and his latest, Code Geass : Akito the Exiled . Why should this period of inactivity by Kazuki Akane ?

It is because I have been engaged in the planning and all the preparations for the OVA of Code Geass , which took between one and a half to two years. We had to change quite a storyboard , and even with him before we had to make arrangements . So I have not been truly " inactive" ( laughs).
"In the second OVA of Code Geass will be a gift for those who saw the television series "

What has it meant for you to engage in a project of the Code Geass franchise ? What can you tell us about the upcoming OVA ?

I had a lot of pressure because it is a popular franchise and this is why the preparation has taken quite a while . As for the second OVA , there will be a gift for those who watched the TV series , is all that I can say ( laughs).

And between his early work and this OVA , what differences have you noticed in the way we work and animation in general in Japan ?

The change that has occurred seems natural to go changing the way we work in the anime. For example , 15 years ago I did not realize the fact of introducing 3D in the anime as it is now , but already Escaflowne incorporate something, but very little in comparison.

Going back to evolution, it seems good to be changing, in fact I think I will continue doing. Also , right now are creating new techniques, and I think this year is going to be important in this regard, the general way of doing things in the anime.

3 Interview kazuki akane interview Kazuki Akane , director of Escaflowne

We could say that Sunrise is one of his favorite studies , how is it working there? What is your work routine ?

Ten years have passed since I started in Sunrise, now I'm back with the OVA of Code Geass , and at first I had the feeling of playing in the "field goal " , as if it were a sport. I went to Sunrise and I worked in other studies, and now I'm back , but as I have over two years involved in the OVA , I really feel like home.

The truth is that I have a particular routine because I do many things , such as checking what everyone else in the study in terms of script, storyboards, I meet with leaders and my superiors ... I have a set routine .

The director is working very hard , facing the producer I can not rest , it is shameful to do so.
" I think this year is going to be important in this regard , in the general way of doing things in the anime"

On more than one occasion has declared his interest in the works of Akira Kurosawa and Hayao Miyazaki , how his work has influenced two directors of styles and works so different?

Yes, these directors have had much influence on me even being different . As a student I saw many films of Kurosawa , and for instance , in Escaflowne , battle scenes and even the samurai theme that I mentioned earlier, are directly influenced by these films. Similarly Miyazaki has influenced me , and I would get as close as possible to your work , it's like my ideal within the world of animation .

Shinichiro Watanabe has worked with on a couple of occasions in the storyboard, with Samurai Champloo and Cowboy Bebop , how is it working with him?

Sunrise We entered the same year as Watanabe has been an anime director called me to do some work , like me if I needed it when I was with some anime I've helped out . I greatly respect and admire your work . But our relationship is not contrary , but at the same level , as friends who go out drinking together.

Do you plan to participate in any of your upcoming projects ?

In principle I have no plan to return to work with, now we're just going to drink together ( laughs).

kazuki interview Interview with Kazuki Akane akane1 , director of Escaflowne

We have seen that has participated in several projects of Gundam and is quite familiar with the series, what do you think the franchise?

Yes I have long loved , but now is a series so long that I'm tired . Besides, I like the challenges of producing new things, not follow something for so long.

Sorry if you had another vision of Gundam (laughs ) .

In an interview said he was interested in making a sequel to Noein , is there any news on this?

Yes , I would like to make a sequel , set in the same world , but not with the same characters. But surely I would not do, because no money or any interested producer .
"Because Internet is too fansubs ranking and will not help to publicize minority works that do not enjoy such success in Japan "

What projects we see coming with the seal of Kazuki Akane ? How would a remake of Escaflowne ?

Right now I have no plans to do anything , nothing is spoken. But in my head I have other things I want to do, and after coming to Granada think I can serve as inspiration for a new work. But for now, until I finish the OVA of Code Geass I can not start with something else.

I think with the new techniques of animation would be nice to see a remake of Escaflowne , but I prefer to leave it as is . The original may be outdated, but I think they did very well at the time and not to change it.

Finally , what is your opinion of the fansubs and how do they affect the industry?

Of course I want to make good sales, but on the other hand I like that people can see the work , and I'm glad of it, but what I do not like is that there is too much information online .

In the case of Escaflowne , in Japan not as successful , but overseas yes, and today the successful anime in Japan are the only people you see outside . Because Internet is too fansubs ranking and will not help to publicize minority works that do not enjoy such success in Japan .

BTW are you the same Xander from Evageeks? Cause it is me, TDSA!

wredsa
2013-08-31, 17:21
*Reads that fifth spoiler*

I find that hard to believe (nothing against you, gordol). Regardless I am hoping this will be more action packed than the last episode or at least explain why France is anti-Japanese other than "we just are!".

Its not actually EU being Anti-Japanese, its just that no one likes weak and losers.

gordol
2013-09-01, 00:22
another impression, no spoilers

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/alphabate/20130901/1378007871

-Battle is on the 2nd half, beginning is slow
-Battle animations surpasses OVA 1

gordol
2013-09-01, 11:36
updated spoilers


-No C.C, producer said she'll appear in OVA 3, Spring 2014 apparently
-No Lancelot, only in OVA 3 PV along a statue of Charles
-Some guy named Julius Kingsley appears. Is he Lelouch? Same voice and look. Suzaku is escorting him since he's the new Britannia strategist for EU
-Leila fanservice
-Asura survives along his squad and escapes using Slash Harken
-The Alexander squad is launched in a rocket for a space drop. No Alexander floating in space as seen on PV
-Battle is on the 2nd half, beginning is slow character development
-Battle animations surpasses OVA 1
-Lancelot on the PV is hand drawn and is on his characteristic launching pose, no Float equipment
-ED pictures are mostly the same but there are some new ones
-There's a flashback to Akito's past
-Those orange MP Alexanders are actually drones controlled by Leila's Alexander
-Face open mode is seen but it seems it's just a berserk mode
-Vercingetorix is seen at least transforming
-Brain Raid System was stabilized on the Type 02 Alexanders, and all of them use them in battle. Perhaps it's when the head sensors become red

Also keep in mind that Julius Caesar fought Vercingetorix. Foreshadowing?

Fireminer
2013-09-01, 13:26
I wonder how much meddling with the Original Series would they do?

gordol
2013-09-01, 17:47
another review with spoilers

http://blog.livedoor.jp/nachibaso/archives/32364993.html


-Brain Raid Akito and others nearly annihilate Ashura Corps until Shin appears and knocks Akito out of berserk state
-Shin and Akito reunion, then Shin just leaves
-Ryo seems to be rebellious, might be a plot point in the future
-The orbit drop is made on individual rockets
-Akito's mysterious power is Anti-Geass like

gordol
2013-09-03, 00:18
Interesting info: in the Akito novel the Euro Britannia's Gloucesters don't use MVS but a kind of Heat Sword.

wredsa
2013-09-03, 08:40
Does anyone know what would the opening and closing song be?

Fireminer
2013-09-03, 09:10
Heat Sword... Not very surprising, consider how much energy a MVS consume. And I remember the sword which Glouchester Custom holds in the teaser has light blue shade, not crimson.

gordol
2013-09-03, 11:03
the ED is the same, OST comes out 9/11

wredsa
2013-09-03, 11:05
the ED is the same, OST comes out 9/11

Thanks. I think that means no op in OVA 2 either.

kaiser11492
2013-09-03, 21:23
Is there anymore insight or info on the EU or the Holy Britannian Empire, such as their militaries, geopolitical status, history, etc?

Xander
2013-09-03, 21:33
It doesn't seem like anyone has specifically mentioned such things in their first impressions, which aren't too comprehensive or detailed, so that's hard to tell at the moment.

gordol
2013-09-07, 12:58
CM 1 is finally out in YT

QxLoEhK5-FY

New CM aired today

wredsa
2013-09-08, 12:05
CM 1 is finally out in YT

QxLoEhK5-FY

New CM aired today

Is that Lelouch at 0:27?

Xander
2013-09-08, 12:14
No, not really. It's Akito, going by hair color and uniform. Lelouch isn't the only one capable of making evil smiles. :heh:

gordol
2013-09-11, 12:45
Free delivery of 7 minutes of OVA 2 on 00:00 9/14 japan time on bandai channel

http://live.b-ch.com/geass

gordol
2013-09-12, 01:29
Brand new info from RD Alexander 2 yukia custom:

-the scissors on the hands are actually Slash Harkens
-Linear Assault Rifle addon that combines to form the sniper rifle is called Rail Gun

Om Nerabdator
2013-09-12, 02:02
i havent watched the first ova but i have a question, is this a sequel to code geass or a parallel world sort of thing

Fireminer
2013-09-12, 02:43
No, it happens in Europe during the one-year-period between R1 and R2.

gordol
2013-09-12, 20:09
OST rip is out, but is full of slow songs besides the known action ones

gordol
2013-09-13, 20:57
Chapter 3 name: 「輝くもの天より堕つ」

Humm... Do you guys remember a scene from the 1st ever PV for OVA 1 where Leila is seen watching a shooting star or something? Getting vibes from there


http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/808514331.jpg?1379125616

http://i.imgur.com/boGzt9h.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/PydQNey.jpg

Cool info from the director:

-Manfredi was scouted to be a KOR but he refused it and went to Euro Britannia. Shin changed the KMF name to Vercingetorix because it had another name since it was meant for Manfredi. Was the Vercingetorix supposed to be a prototype for a KOR's KMF?

Update: Vercingetorix original name was Sagramore 「サグラモール」 another Knight of the Round Table. Source is Great Mechanics DX 26.

*7 min PV summary:

It starts in a forest with infighting between the team.
Suddenly railway guns.
They get lured into the city.
The Asura guys ambush and destroy some of the drones.
Akito and Leila see Ashley.
Commercial for the S1 BD box with Colors playing.

**Hi there Lelouch!

http://i.imgur.com/RZJgGuq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eFONi75.jpg

AkitoW013
2013-09-14, 01:40
What the ...!? Is that official ? What is Lelouch doing dressed like a KoR ???

Xander
2013-09-14, 02:12
Let's just say that for me this has been a very long day indeed. :heh:

Thanks to gordol for gathering a bunch of information from you-know-where in one place.

What the ...!? Is that official ? What is Lelouch doing dressed like a KoR ???


Not exactly. That's officially part of the second OVA, apparently for a couple of minutes or so, but absolutely nothing has been explained in detail yet.

It's better to avoid jumping to conclusions until the story addresses the issue. I suppose you're free to feel excited about it though, that's understandable.

Renegade334
2013-09-14, 03:10
Well, it could be
One of Lelouch's "false lives", assuming Charles' Geass does not suffer from a one-time use limitation. It's possible that before his return to Ashford, the Emperor had Lelouch "do some odd jobs" while the opportunity could still be seized.

That'd explain why this Lelouch lookalike wears an eyepatch (to conceal the Geass that has was probably not properly subdued, though the rewiring of the brain should have deactivated it right off the bat) and why Suzaku is expressly escorting him.


But...well, that's just speculation.

Masurao45
2013-09-14, 03:56
**Hi there Lelouch!

http://i.imgur.com/RZJgGuq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eFONi75.jpg

I don't think he really is Lelouch unless if it says he's Lelouch then he is. Maybe he's a clone like in NoN or some character whose character or design is reused just like how Clamp did with Tsubasa. Looks a bit like Kamui and Subaru from Tokyo Revelations don't you think? If Julius really is a twin brother of Lelouch, that makes them the Vampire Twins of Code Geass: Lelouch-Kamui and Julius-Subaru and a Seishirou counterpart is needed (who is probably Suzaku). Or here's an alternate: Lelouch-Subaru and Julius-Seishirou in X-1999 reference. Julius is like Subaru or Seishirou since he only has one eye exposed and the other closed. Since everyone is debating whether he is Lelouch of not, that makes him the Full Frontal of Akito the Exiled since they too couldn't tell if he was Char Aznable or not. But if Julius is Lelouch with replaced memories, that makes him Neo Roanoke/Mu La Flaga of Code Geass. The reuse of Lelouch's character or Rolo Vi Britannia design is just like using Alice for Maelstrom of Libra-Too many Nightmare of Nunnally going on. It's like Taro Kagami->Teru Mikami from Death Note all over again

Blackmambauk
2013-09-14, 05:49
I

"hiding future events if it is Lelouch then that raises questions on that the creators may be recton stuff in R2 and in other places, as at the moment it's hard to see how all of Akito and Oz ties in with the rest of the anime series, and what if anything actually came out in the end from either series, i.e. what effect they had since they never got mentioned in R2.

Course put this down to the fact neither series were even in production when r2 was made and the fact that each of the people working in either Akito and Oz don't communicate with one another, so consistent continuity and all those sort of stuff tend to be affected.

Plus I'm hoping it isn't Lelouch in that picture, as I fear if it is, then they will focus attention there instead of on the Akito characters like they should be doing. Lulu's story is done, I don't think we need to see anymore on him, On Suzaku and C.C, well that's another discussion for another thread.

But we have this episode of Akito and two more to go, so will have to wait and see, but I can't help but be a bit concerned about this.

gordol
2013-09-14, 06:13
Main site updated, beware SPOILERS!

http://www.geass.jp/akito/character.html
http://www.geass.jp/akito/kmf.html

Fireminer
2013-09-14, 06:21
Main site updated, beware SPOILERS!

http://www.geass.jp/akito/character.html
http://www.geass.jp/akito/kmf.html

OH YEAH!

Glad to see something fresh from the batch!

And ALL HAIL LELOUCH! ALL HAIL THE DEMON EMPEROR OF MARTYRS!"

AkitoW013
2013-09-14, 07:03
YES, YES, YES !!! OH YES ! Can someone translate the update ? I hope "he" will appears in episode 2.

Fireminer
2013-09-14, 07:30
Now I notice it, the Vectolarix use the same "Centaur" motive with the Aquila in the DS game.

And who know, maybe this is just another attempt of C.C to "Wake Up" Lelouch. And she even might success - which would explain Lelouch presents at Ashford Academy.

AkitoW013
2013-09-14, 07:47
Now I notice it, the Vectolarix use the same "Centaur" motive with the Aquila in the DS game.

And who know, maybe this is just another attempt of C.C to "Wake Up" Lelouch. And she even might success - which would explain Lelouch presents at Ashford Academy.

You mean the Vercingetorix and the Regalia ?

Episode 2 is released today isn'it ?

wredsa
2013-09-14, 10:11
I knew it. I saw Lelouch in the Commercial.

Xander
2013-09-14, 11:22
Sigh...some of you guys can't resist talking about this without using spoiler tags, can't you?

Remember that not everyone wants to be spoiled about this and almost nobody outside of Japan has seen the episode.



if it is Lelouch then that raises questions on that the creators may be recton stuff in R2 and in other places, as at the moment it's hard to see how all of Akito and Oz ties in with the rest of the anime series, and what if anything actually came out in the end from either series, i.e. what effect they had since they never got mentioned in R2.

Course put this down to the fact neither series were even in production when r2 was made and the fact that each of the people working in either Akito and Oz don't communicate with one another, so consistent continuity and all those sort of stuff tend to be affected.

Plus I'm hoping it isn't Lelouch in that picture, as I fear if it is, then they will focus attention there instead of on the Akito characters like they should be doing. Lulu's story is done, I don't think we need to see anymore on him, On Suzaku and C.C, well that's another discussion for another thread.

But we have this episode of Akito and two more to go, so will have to wait and see, but I can't help but be a bit concerned about this.

Let's see...

Only time will tell, but I don't think it's especially hard to see how the new projects might possibly tie-in. Obviously any new material will always have the issue of bringing up content that did not exist beforehand and couldn't be retroactively referenced in earlier productions. This is true for Gundam and it is true for Code Geass.

Doesn't necessarily create any continuity problems, since it's not like people need to discuss foreign news or the entire history of the world when they're dealing with more recent developments in other regions. The original events of R2 are far too Japan-centric (even with the visit to the Chinese Federation) and that goes for the interests of the characters as well.

I also think it's an exaggeration to claim this is becoming "Lelouch's story" when the character in question had very little screen time in episode two and will never be the protagonist. Just a secondary member of the cast, albeit one that the fans will take an obvious interest in.

Not to mention that, regardless of this person's real identity, Julius is effectively not Lelouch by definition. He won't think or act like him.

gordol
2013-09-14, 12:08
http://blog.amiami.com/amiblo/2013/09/10.html
谷口(廣): ブリタニア本国と同程度の戦力を持つ「ユーロ・ブリタニア」という
大きな敵が出てきて、その中の「4大騎士団」の団長の一人に、過去に
ナイトオブツーだったキャラがいます。彼はその地位を蹴ってまで
「ユーロ・ブリタニア」に参加しました。

---第1章でシンに殺された「ミケーレ・マンフレディ」でしょうか。

谷口(廣): そうですね。だから『R2』では、ナイトオブツーは空座
だったんです。

Confirmation on Michelle Manfredi being the previous Knight of Two, rejecting the position anf going to Euro Britannia.

That leaves the following KOR spots left with no known named character: 5, 8 and 11

in the prequel novel Bismarck was 5 before becoming 1, and Marianne was 6 before becoming 2

Blackmambauk
2013-09-14, 12:28
Corrected my mistake earlier, you make a good point, yes for all we know he may be very different from Lelouch, most of my words are more of fear, but I have faith the writers will work it out. I just wonder if it that person is Lelouch (has any noticed how the eyepatch seems to have the symbol of Ashford on it though it look more like kor symbol as well, nice purple tinsel at the end of eyepatch, they sure love those jewels don't they), for me makes me wonder what else did Charles use Lelouch for during r1 and r2 if he is Julius Kingsley, nice ref of Caesar and Lelouch's all king shall lead view, as a fanfic writer, sometimes it get's frustrating when new info like this comes out.

but of course i'm sure this will be worked out in the end so have to wait and see, hope this does mesh altogether as r2 at times could definitely leave someone scratching their heads at stuff but I digress.

gordol
2013-09-14, 13:06
谷口(廣): 第2章で登場する「ブレインレイドシステム」が発動した
状態です。平たく言うと「脳の並列化システム」ですね。

「アレクサンダ」に搭載されていて、発動するとホストになるパイロット(アキト)
の思考や情報が、脳がリンクした他の「アレクサンダ」パイロットに流れ込み
ホストのコントロール下に置かれてしまいます。

言うなれば、優秀なパイロット一人を「分身して搭乗させる」システムなので
例えばアキト機がこのシステムを発動すれば、他の「アレクサンダ」に乗って
いるパイロット全員がアキトになってしまいます。


谷口(廣): 元々このシステムは、パイロットが戦況を立体的に把握する
ことを目的とした、ごく機械的なシステムとして開発されました。
例えば、僚機と視覚が共有出来るなら、敵が真後ろに居ても第3者的な
視点で自機を外から見ながら操縦できます。

wZERO部隊に協力している科学者のソフィ・ランドルが開発して、実験的に
「アレクサンダ」に搭載していましたが、ナルヴァ撤退作戦の時は上手く
機能しなかったんです。

ところが、アキトが持ち帰ったデータを基に研究を進めると、どうもアキト
だけはこのシステムへの適正が非常に高い、と発覚したんですね。

さらに、なぜか新しく入ったリョウたち3人にも適性があるし、アキトの
脳波とも相性が良い。その結果、アキトにも「あるギアス」がかかって
いることも作用して、予想しない方向にブレインレイドシステムが発動して
しまいました。ある意味、偶然の産物です。


---戦闘中、アキトの目が赤く輝く描写がありましたね。


谷口(廣): 『反逆のルルーシュ』でも、ジェレミアが人工的に創造した
ギアス能力の実験体になっていましたよね。この『コードギアス』の
世界では、技術があれば人為的にギアスの能力に干渉できる、という
設定があり、それとも関係があります。

そのアキトが「ブレインレイドシステム」を発動させた時、機体を冷却
させるためにこのように顔が開くんです。


---「他のアレクサンダ」というと、第1章ではType-01がアキト機以外
は全滅、第2章ではリョウ達の乗るType-02、という事になりますが
それはワイバァン隊の4人がシステムの対象に……


谷口(廣): なります。「アキト4人分」みたいな戦力になります。
いわばユーロピア共和国連合軍にとっては虎の子のシステムになります。



Brain Raid System explanation

Eternal Dreamer could you give us a summary of the explanation?

azul120
2013-09-14, 14:10
Dang. Sucks for Lelouch to be used like that.

gordol
2013-09-14, 14:12
7 min PV bad rip

http://www.mediafire.com/download/ifoex0vm168i1f3/akito2longpreview.zip

password:lelouch

wredsa
2013-09-14, 17:58
its up on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85PLTXgetiM

gordol
2013-09-14, 19:03
Now we have a decent looking 7 min PV!


ztqnhQ7HUkg


download version:

http://depositfiles.org/files/4qbv027fy

password: lelouch

gordol
2013-09-15, 14:07
Vercingetorix's weapon: HUGE axe

http://i.imgur.com/oobcCHi.jpg

Also OVA 2 is set 1 month after OVA 1

more spoilers:


-Klaus seems to be a traitor/spy
-Ryo was trying to rebel even before the 7 min PV
-Brain Raid actually uses Akito's mysterious power being transmitted to the other 3 Type-02, they were being cornered but as soon as BRS activated they started dominating the battle
-Shin appears alongside Jean(woman actually) while Ashley retreats using harkens
-Shin's makes the BRS system stop and then he tries to capture Akito, but Leila makes Akito snap out of it
-Then a huge E.U army appears and Shin retreats
-Julius and Suzaku arrive by train, END

Update: according to GMDX26 each leader of the 4 Holy Knights units(Raphel, Michael, Uriel, Gabriel) has pilot abilities that match a KOR.

We may be getting more custom KMF for the remaining 3 besides Shin

Fireminer
2013-09-15, 15:32
No Spinzaku this time?

Is Julius the Lelouch-alike? Kind of remind me about Julius Ceasar.

Oh, and does Oz and Akito happen on the exact same time? Just want to know whether would I see that Glouchester-arm Gurren in Akito.

azul120
2013-09-15, 17:45
Vercingetorix's weapon: HUGE axe

http://i.imgur.com/oobcCHi.jpg

Also OVA 2 is set 1 month after OVA 1

more spoilers:


-Klaus seems to be a traitor/spy
-Ryo was trying to rebel even before the 7 min PV
-Brain Raid actually uses Akito's mysterious power being transmitted to the other 3 Type-02, they were being cornered but as soon as BRS activated they started dominating the battle
-Shin appears alongside Jean(woman actually) while Ashley retreats using harkens
-Shin's makes the BRS system stop and then he tries to capture Akito, but Leila makes Akito snap out of it
-Then a huge E.U army appears and Shin retreats
-Julius and Suzaku arrive by train, END

Update: according to GMDX26 each leader of the 4 Holy Knights units(Raphel, Michael, Uriel, Gabriel) has pilot abilities that match a KOR.

We may be getting more custom KMF for the remaining 3 besides Shin

Oh my. Paging GundamFan0083...

Xander
2013-09-15, 18:17
Oh my. Paging GundamFan0083...

Do you think that's a positive or a negative? I think it's appropriate.

The Knights of the Round might be the single highest order of Britannian knights in the land because they answer to nobody but the Emperor, yet it's reasonable that there would be other important knightly orders below them, from which you'd think some of the Knights of the Round would be typically recruited under normal circumstances.

Likewise, since the E.U. campaign seems to be handled less by the Emperor himself and more by factions of other high-ranking nobles, there should be plenty of military and economic autonomy. At least, of course, until Suzaku and the other Rounds intervene.

There's also the fact that the E.U. theater of war should be where the largest conventional battlefields are found, compared to local occupations like that of Japan.

gordol
2013-09-15, 18:31
People are saying Vercingetorix gives vibes of being VERY powerful and has some gimmicks not yet shown besides the horse mode transformation. It's a KOR KMF made by Camelot anyway. Akito gonna need an upgrade to beat that.

I'm dying to see the new Lancelot design but unless there's a camrip or a film piece appears we're going to wait until the PSN rip.

I can also see Julius getting a custom KMF to direct troops directly in the field.

KMF-wise we can look forward to:
-Akito's upgrade
-Custom KMF for the Andrea, Godfroa and Raymond
-Julius custom KMF
-At least new equipment/weapons for the Type 02

Hype through the roof for the 2 remaining OVAs

Fireminer
2013-09-15, 18:44
People are saying Vercingetorix gives vibes of being VERY powerful and has some gimmicks not yet shown besides the horse mode transformation. It's a KOR KMF made by Camelot anyway. Akito gonna need an upgrade to beat that.

I'm dying to see the new Lancelot design but unless there's a camrip or a film piece appears we're going to wait until the PSN rip.

I can also see Julius getting a custom KMF to direct troops directly in the field.

KMF-wise we can look forward to:
-Akito's upgrade
-Custom KMF for the Andrea, Godfroa and Raymond
-Julius custom KMF
-At least new equipment/weapons for the Type 02

Hype through the roof for the 2 remaining OVAs

Conquista?

gordol
2013-09-15, 18:49
Should be at most Lancelot Air Cavalry

Xander
2013-09-15, 18:51
People are saying Vercingetorix gives vibes of being VERY powerful and has some gimmicks not yet shown besides the horse mode transformation. It's a KOR KMF made by Camelot anyway. Akito gonna need an upgrade to beat that.

I'm dying to see the new Lancelot design but unless there's a camrip or a film piece appears we're going to wait until the PSN rip.

I can also see Julius getting a custom KMF to direct troops directly in the field.



I'm sort of expecting a twist where Vercingetorix loses against the Lancelot, so perhaps Akito will have trouble even if they upgrade the Alexander. :heh:

I don't think Julius will have a powerful machine though. Perhaps just a repainted Sutherland or Gloucester. Or maybe he'll stay in a G-1 base all the time. That's more likely.

I'm interested in the rest of the possible upgrades or new units though, especially for the other Britannian knights and their orders.

gordol
2013-09-15, 19:23
I'm sort of expecting a twist where Vercingetorix loses against the Lancelot, so perhaps Akito will have trouble even if they upgrade the Alexander. :heh:

I don't think Julius will have a powerful machine though. Perhaps just a repainted Sutherland or Gloucester. Or maybe he'll stay in a G-1 base all the time. That's more likely.

I'm interested in the rest of the possible upgrades or new units though, especially for the other Britannian knights and their orders.

I wouldn't waste an opportunity of selling a Lelouch custom KMF merchandise, but I agree it's very unlikely he'll get something completely new

Fireminer
2013-09-15, 19:47
Glouchester Long Range Custow with MVS for Lelouch?

Masurao45
2013-09-16, 00:05
I'm sort of expecting a twist where Vercingetorix loses against the Lancelot, so perhaps Akito will have trouble even if they upgrade the Alexander. :heh:

I don't think Julius will have a powerful machine though. Perhaps just a repainted Sutherland or Gloucester. Or maybe he'll stay in a G-1 base all the time. That's more likely.

I'm interested in the rest of the possible upgrades or new units though, especially for the other Britannian knights and their orders.

I agree, Julius will probably be given a Gawain derivative prototype machine before the Galahad and the Gareths roll out if possible.

azul120
2013-09-16, 00:25
Do you think that's a positive or a negative? I think it's appropriate.

The Knights of the Round might be the single highest order of Britannian knights in the land because they answer to nobody but the Emperor, yet it's reasonable that there would be other important knightly orders below them, from which you'd think some of the Knights of the Round would be typically recruited under normal circumstances.

Likewise, since the E.U. campaign seems to be handled less by the Emperor himself and more by factions of other high-ranking nobles, there should be plenty of military and economic autonomy. At least, of course, until Suzaku and the other Rounds intervene.

There's also the fact that the E.U. theater of war should be where the largest conventional battlefields are found, compared to local occupations like that of Japan.

No, no, I'm talking about the Knightmare names. All but one were used by GF0083 in his fanfic.

Scherzo09
2013-09-16, 01:51
Haven't watched it yet, so trying to ignore spoilers (besides a vague understanding of one of the obvious ones), but is Euro-Britannia considered like a separate entity from the main Imperial Britannian Forces, sort of like the French Foriegn Legion or the Flying Tigers. My personal sort of fanon is that the current European war started with Euro-Britannia intervening to restore the Romanov Dynasty to the Russian Imperial throne as a Britannian proxy, which eventually spread to a war against the EU when they initially resisted.

I don't think Britannia would outright annex the entire world; they'd only do it to cultures they see as 'unfit for self-government', much the same way as McKinley views the Filippinos here: http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5575/ Actually, the Untied States occupation and fight against the Filippino insurgency might be a good analog for the Occupation of Area 11.

Masurao45
2013-09-16, 02:37
Haven't watched it yet, so trying to ignore spoilers (besides a vague understanding of one of the obvious ones), but is Euro-Britannia considered like a separate entity from the main Imperial Britannian Forces, sort of like the French Foriegn Legion or the Flying Tigers. My personal sort of fanon is that the current European war started with Euro-Britannia intervening to restore the Romanov Dynasty to the Russian Imperial throne as a Britannian proxy, which eventually spread to a war against the EU when they initially resisted.

I don't think Britannia would outright annex the entire world; they'd only do it to cultures they see as 'unfit for self-government', much the same way as McKinley views the Filippinos here: http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5575/ Actually, the Untied States occupation and fight against the Filippino insurgency might be a good analog for the Occupation of Area 11.

Yeah it's like part of their division whereas the regular britannia controls their own territory consisting of one third of the world similar with Euro Britannia unlike UFN which is made up of various countries to counter them. In R2 episode 16, if you see the map, it is implied that Euro Britannia is part of the color which Britannia takes control of.

Xander
2013-09-16, 02:40
Haven't watched it yet, so trying to ignore spoilers (besides a vague understanding of one of the obvious ones), but is Euro-Britannia considered like a separate entity from the main Imperial Britannian Forces, sort of like the French Foriegn Legion or the Flying Tigers. My personal sort of fanon is that the current European war started with Euro-Britannia intervening to restore the Romanov Dynasty to the Russian Imperial throne as a Britannian proxy, which eventually spread to a war against the EU when they initially resisted.

I don't think Britannia would outright annex the entire world; they'd only do it to cultures they see as 'unfit for self-government', much the same way as McKinley views the Filippinos here: http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5575/ Actually, the Untied States occupation and fight against the Filippino insurgency might be a good analog for the Occupation of Area 11.

That's an interesting question.

Look at this image from the official website for a moment:

http://i.imgur.com/Raoz6f8.jpg

http://www.geass.jp/akito/about_geass.html

The actual map appears to be from R2. I'd wish I could translate the Japanese text in this image, or the other pictures in the same sequence that seem to be rather whimsical but important explanatory material, since it looks like there would be a better official explanation than what I'm about to type, especially for the details...but let's get to the point.

In addition to showing the rarely seen E.U. flag, it also suggests that Euro Britannia both has a slightly different flag and is apparently effectively a regional subdivision of the Holy Britannian Empire, though I don't know if that's formally or just de facto since the Emperor is uninterested in micromanaging the conflict, leaving the European nobles and the Duke leading them to their own affairs.

If you rewatch the first episode, that specific Euro Britannia flag can be seen in a couple of places, like outside the building where Manfredi and Shin are talking.

Previews for the second episode show us an untouched Euro Britannian city with a statue of the Emperor plus what looks like the Cyrillic writing system. I guess that's compatible with your assumption that in certain areas the locals have a Russian or Eastern European culture and don't necessarily see themselves as a conquered people, which might be a hint of what you're speculating about or something equivalent.

In general, I have the impression that the second episode might well try to address some of these things whenever the Euro Britannians are talking among themselves, but most of the spoilers don't really go into the details of the less "shocking" or action-centric parts.

Scherzo09
2013-09-16, 02:42
Well I would guess that Euro-Britannia would be a federation of Monarchies, as opposed to the system of Areas in the Homeland and areas deemed fit for colonization.

Xander
2013-09-16, 02:50
Well I would guess that Euro-Britannia would be a federation of Monarchies, as opposed to the system of Areas in the Homeland and areas deemed fit for colonization.

Maybe that could be the dream or final projected outcome of the Euro Britannian campaign, in the eyes of its participants and organizers, but for the time being they don't seem to have established control over more than Russia (which is already lot!) and various Eastern European territories. So there's not a lot of available crowns to choose from until the fall of Europe in R2.

I also imagine that if the Duke is too ambitious and wants to unilaterally declare himself a monarch that would potentially put him in conflict with the mainland. :heh:

Scherzo09
2013-09-16, 02:55
@Xander: Yeah, a big thing about Britannia to me is that its generally not the Emperor directly directing things unless there's extraordinary circumstances; generally its the Imperial Bureaucracy and Parliament. I think that kinda helps separate what Britannia was under Charles from the honest to God Absolutism Lelouch wielded as Emperor.

My understanding is that Britannia became a haven for the Royal and Noble Families of Europe who fled as the Revolutionary Wave spread from France across the continent. Euro-Britannia is specifically those European houses who wish to reclaim their titles they feel were usurped by the plebs and anarchists; or at least my understanding is that it is. I also (and again this is just fanon) have the war from CC's Flashback being a war between the EU and Russian Empire about 50 or 60 years or so before the beginning of the series; that the Russian Monarchy was the most recent one to fall I feel would make it one of the ideal places to start.

I'm sort of surprised that all these maps keep giving Southeast Asia to the Asian Federation; I thought most of it had been conquered by Britannia before they had even invaded Japan. (I also like to think Indonesia and Indochina were EU colonies before Britannia annexed them)

konart
2013-09-16, 03:16
That's an interesting question.

Look at this image from the official website for a moment:

http://www.geass.jp/akito/about_geass.html

The actual map appears to be from R2. I'd wish I could translate the Japanese text in this image, or the other pictures in the same sequence that seem to be rather whimsical but important explanatory material, since it looks like there would be a better official explanation than what I'm about to type, especially for the details...but let's get to the point.

In addition to showing the rarely seen E.U. flag, it also suggests that Euro Britannia both has a slightly different flag and is apparently effectively a regional subdivision of the Holy Britannian Empire, though I don't know if that's formally or just de facto since the Emperor is uninterested in micromanaging the conflict, leaving the European nobles and the Duke leading them to their own affairs.

If you rewatch the first episode, that specific Euro Britannia flag can be seen in a couple of places, like outside the building where Manfredi and Shin are talking.

Previews for the second episode show us an untouched Euro Britannian city with a statue of the Emperor plus what looks like the Cyrillic writing system. I guess that's compatible with your assumption that in certain areas the locals have a Russian or Eastern European culture and don't necessarily see themselves as a conquered people, which might be a hint of what you're speculating about or something equivalent.

In general, I have the impression that the second episode might well try to address some of these things whenever the Euro Britannians are talking among themselves, but most of the spoilers don't really go into the details of the less "shocking" or action-centric parts.


The place they are entering during th PV is Belarussian town Slonim http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slonim - you can see it's name "Слонiм" written in belarussian on a side of a road and it's seal.

Xander
2013-09-16, 03:27
It seems I missed posting about this... :heh:

No, no, I'm talking about the Knightmare names. All but one were used by GF0083 in his fanfic.

Michael, Uriel, Raphael, Gabriel?

Those aren't actually Knightmare Frame names at all though. They're simply the names of the respective Holy Knight Orders. They're military organizations, not KMF models.

The place they are entering during th PV is Belarussian town Slonim http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slonim - you can see it's name "Слонiм" written in belarussian on a side of a road and it's seal.

That's very good to know. Thanks! :)

Looking at the photos, it seems they did try to maintain some of the town layout and the architectural style in the anime.

@Xander: Yeah, a big thing about Britannia to me is that its generally not the Emperor directly directing things unless there's extraordinary circumstances; generally its the Imperial Bureaucracy and Parliament. I think that kinda helps separate what Britannia was under Charles from the honest to God Absolutism Lelouch wielded as Emperor.

My understanding is that Britannia became a haven for the Royal and Noble Families of Europe who fled as the Revolutionary Wave spread from France across the continent. Euro-Britannia is specifically those European houses who wish to reclaim their titles they feel were usurped by the plebs and anarchists; or at least my understanding is that it is. I also (and again this is just fanon) have the war from CC's Flashback being a war between the EU and Russian Empire about 50 or 60 years or so before the beginning of the series; that the Russian Monarchy was the most recent one to fall I feel would make it one of the ideal places to start.

I'm sort of surprised that all these maps keep giving Southeast Asia to the Asian Federation; I thought most of it had been conquered by Britannia before they had even invaded Japan. (I also like to think Indonesia and Indochina were EU colonies before Britannia annexed them)

They're probably a mix of European Royal houses and various types of nobles who escaped the revolutions, but after a couple of centuries most of their descendants should have properly assimilated into Britannia. Right now, the Duke (Verance, or August Henry Highland) is apparently the political head of the faction which is behind the entire campaign, while the four Holy Knight Orders spearhead the military side of Euro Britannia. It doesn't seem like he has any direct rivals or peers.

Practically speaking, I don't think the Imperial establishment expects to let them reconstitute their countries as semi-independent entities, at least not without maintaining a crystal-clear subservience to the ruling Emperor.

It wouldn't be an understatement to say that Code Geass maps usually made my head spin a little.

Scherzo09
2013-09-16, 03:29
One thing that does bug me a little from a worldbuilding standpoint is how they use Modern World maps to chart the Afro-Eurasian Countries. Like there's no reason why Lesotho should be an EU colony surrounded by a Britannian one.

Scherzo09
2013-09-16, 03:43
They're probably a mix of European Royal houses and various types of nobles who escaped the revolutions, but after a couple of centuries most of their descendants should have properly assimilated into Britannia. Right now, the Duke (August Henry Highland) is apparently the political head of the faction which is behind the entire campaign. It doesn't seem like he has any direct rivals or peers.

One of the things you have to realize though is that the noble houses of Europe were already intermarrying anyways. German princes and princes would often become Russian Tsars, the House Windsor started as a German Royal family, and William III, King of England after the Glorious Revolution, was the Dutch Prince William of Orange. So to the noble aristocracy there was already a common culture anyways. And I think as point of pride and as a practical means of keeping their holdings, they would continue their households constituted in Britannia. IRL there's a lot of bookkeeping you can look up about the noble households for states that have long since stopped being monarchies, such as Germany or Romania. So to me I feel like the European households would still maintain a direct linneage from the old country to the modern day.

Practically speaking, I don't think the Imperial establishment expects to let them reconstitute their countries as semi-independent entities, at least not without maintaining a crystal-clear subservience to the ruling Emperor.

Oh of course not; I was thinking it'd be along the lines of the Holy Roman Empire. I just think that for European countries the illusion of sovereignty would help ease the transition from the EU's democracy to the semi-constitutional Monarchy of Britannia. I don't think Euro-Britannia is acting unilaterally here, its just that I think its goals are somewhat different than the sort of "White Man's Burden" role they see in areas like Area 11.

Xander
2013-09-16, 04:44
And I think as point of pride and as a practical means of keeping their holdings, they would continue their households constituted in Britannia. IRL there's a lot of bookkeeping you can look up about the noble households for states that have long since stopped being monarchies, such as Germany or Romania. So to me I feel like the European households would still maintain a direct linneage from the old country to the modern day.

Your explanation makes perfect sense for real life, but we should take into account the many special circumstances here.

In Code Geass, there seem to be no other active empires or monarchies in the West besides Britannia. This means there were two or three centuries with almost no opportunities to put in practice the vast majority of those European titles, as opposed to whatever Britannian titles were readily available or which were acquired by marriage. The rest would just be paper rights, at least outside of the recently acquired Russian or Eastern territories of Euro Britannia, but then there's the matter of whether the Emperor has allowed anyone to formally become the Russian Tsar just yet. I'm guessing no, either due to formalities or because it could be interpreted as a challenge to the Emperor's authority.

Even if there are detailed records of all these former European titles, there's the matter of exactly how many European nobles have enough rank and influence within Britannia itself, given all the ups and downs of Britannian politics and its cyclical conflicts over succession to the throne. Consolidation of the major titles into less hands through arranged marriages as well as assassinations wouldn't be out of the question.

There's also the issue of exactly how many royal families actually survived to escape to Britannia. And then you have those noble families which may have either stayed in the E.U. by giving up their rights, or those which eventually returned to Europe after defecting from Britannia, like Leila's father, for whatever political, social or economic reasons.

I guess there might well be multiple people with claims equal or superior to whatever old European title is claimed by Duke Verance, though I wouldn't be surprised if he has a claim to something big since Duke is already an important rank for someone who isn't Britannian royalty, but he might still be the single most influential person and thus is recognized as being the head of the Euro Britannian faction within the Holy Britannian Empire.

I'm sure some of these guesses might well be proven wrong or irrelevant by the show though, but a few might be confirmed or hinted at.


Oh of course not; I was thinking it'd be along the lines of the Holy Roman Empire. I just think that for European countries the illusion of sovereignty would help ease the transition from the EU's democracy to the semi-constitutional Monarchy of Britannia. I don't think Euro-Britannia is acting unilaterally here, its just that I think its goals are somewhat different than the sort of "White Man's Burden" role they see in areas like Area 11.

I think the very short conversation between Manfredi and Shin may indicate there is some sort of Euro Britannian ideal which could incorporate those or other similar concepts, in opposition to the stagnant republic, though I don't know if they'll elaborate on the details.

Scherzo09
2013-09-16, 13:18
In Code Geass, there seem to be no other active empires or monarchies in the West besides Britannia. This means there were two or three centuries with almost no opportunities to put in practice the vast majority of those European titles, as opposed to whatever Britannian titles were readily available or which were acquired by marriage. The rest would just be paper rights, at least outside of the recently acquired Russian or Eastern territories of Euro Britannia, but then there's the matter of whether the Emperor has allowed anyone to formally become the Russian Tsar just yet. I'm guessing no, either due to formalities or because it could be interpreted as a challenge to the Emperor's authority.

The time frame depends on what ATB means now. Akito seems to imply that, contrary to the supplementary material of the series, ATB is the exact same dating scheme as Anno Domini. A bit of semantic, I know, but it could be as little as 150 or as much as 200.

I don't think there were necessarily that many households 'open' at the time. America at the time of the French of the Revolution is still for the most part unsettled, so I don't think that it'd be too difficult for disenfranchised noble families to stake claims on the frontier. The extent to wish Non-British culture is extant within Britannia (Bismark, Marianne, and even French names like Clovis and Lelouch (which is a corruption of LaRouche) ) makes me feel like that was kept alive.

I don't think the Britannian government would allow Russia to regain the title Tsar, you're right about that. I think at most they'd let a few states have Kings (most having Dukes or Princes), if only so Charles could claim the title King of Kings.


Even if there are detailed records of all these former European titles, there's the matter of exactly how many European nobles have enough rank and influence within Britannia itself, given all the ups and downs of Britannian politics and its cyclical conflicts over succession to the throne. Consolidation of the major titles into less hands through arranged marriages as well as assassinations wouldn't be out of the question.

Well I take the existence of Euro-Britannia as basically meaning the Continental nobility are a sizable political faction. You have to remember that the core of what would become the Britannian Empire were essentially refugees themselves from Britain, so they'd be on a pretty equivalent footing from the royal families from the rest of Europe who were also driven out by the Revolutionaries. I'm not saying that every European household survived, lineages died off all the time. (England had to go through several dynasties after the English Civil War before the Windsors stuck). But I see the aristocracy of Britannia not just representing British interests but that of the entire Old World aristocracy. That doesn't mean they get along, though.

Also I don't think Britannia's history is quite as turbulent as they make it out to be, because you just can't run an empire with continuous strife. I don't think it'd be anymore turbulent than Britain had been, though that isn't saying too much because Britain did have pretty turbulent wars of succession. But I think generally succession crisis's would've been created mainly by conflicting political interests, and not randomly arising from individual ambition, though that'd certainly play a part. I also think that historically the position of Emperor hadn't been a particularly strong position in practice, with most power vested in the nobility in the Bureaucracy and Parliament.



There's also the issue of exactly how many royal families actually survived to escape to Britannia. And then you have those noble families which may have either stayed in the E.U. by giving up their rights, or those which eventually returned to Europe after defecting from Britannia, like Leila's father, for whatever political, social or economic reasons.

I think if they decided to stay in Europe, for whatever reason, they probably would've considered abdicating and those would be open season for whoever could claim them.

I guess there might well be multiple people with claims equal or superior to whatever old European title is claimed by Duke Verance, though I wouldn't be surprised if he has a claim to something big since Duke is already an important rank for someone who isn't Britannian royalty, but he might still be the single most influential person and thus is recognized as being the head of the Euro Britannian faction within the Holy Britannian Empire.

Well I mean it could be that what Household is entitled to what is also a political issue that people squabble over. There'd probably a Britannian Claims Assessor for things like that.

I'm sure some of these guesses might well be proven wrong or irrelevant by the show though, but a few might be confirmed or hinted at.

Well its a fun thing to think about, I like parsing out worlds worldbuilding.



I think the very short conversation between Manfredi and Shin may indicate there is some sort of Euro Britannian ideal which could incorporate those or other similar concepts, in opposition to the stagnant republic, though I don't know if they'll elaborate on the details.

I think if they're going that route, they need to show the benefits of both a Lockean Republic and a Hobbesian Monarchy. Otherwise I just feel like it'd be jarring for Britannia to suddenly be portrayed as this Austere faction and the Democrats as Decadent, when in the OF series it was the other way around.

Blackmambauk
2013-09-16, 15:36
what I wonder at times is the eu territories in Africa, did they join the eu or were they colonies around the time the EU was set up, plus you have to wonder how the eu has real world map setup, it seems to hint to laziness on the part of the writers to reflect the changed history of code Geass from real world, especially on who beat napoleon at waterloo since he conquered Britain in Code Geass world.

It' ain't impossible but the writers could've been more clear on how the eu came to be about part form what they gave us as the specific's are a bit vague for my tastes, and as I have said before seems to show they didn't really look into European history very well, which is a bit insulting when you come from Europe like me. as someone pointed out on TV tropes, the changed history of Julius caser never conquering Britain and Napoleon conquering Britain actually would mean Britain never existing as a nation in a way, plus Napoleon conquering Europe would most likely mean Germany would never come into proper existence if Bismarck etc. never had the chance to rise.

plus how did the first world war come about, or the war C.C was briefly shown to appear in in episode 25 of season one. It's vagueness like this that makes code Geass a bit annoying at times, feels they wasted the potential to explore a lot of things.

Of course this is all very debateable, plus in the long run matters little since whatever happens in Akito leads on to the eu's state in R2.

But looking forward to seeing the rest of Akito

Fireminer
2013-09-16, 19:38
Probally they reserved it for Akito.

And beside, even Gundam itself (especially 00) has a lot of history hole.

Scherzo09
2013-09-16, 21:13
what I wonder at times is the eu territories in Africa, did they join the eu or were they colonies around the time the EU was set up, plus you have to wonder how the eu has real world map setup, it seems to hint to laziness on the part of the writers to reflect the changed history of code Geass from real world, especially on who beat napoleon at waterloo since he conquered Britain in Code Geass world.

First, I feel like its heavily implied those are colonies of the EU Metropolitan countries, not full member states. To kinda walk back what I said earlier, I like the EU being not much better in the area of treating people of Non-European dissent. In fact I have both the EU and Britannia having this as their colonial policy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assimilation_(French_colonial). I also give the EU the French and Dutch holdings in Southeast Asia before the Invasion of Japan.

The Post-WWII map for states is kind of annoying, but I can't blame them too much for not putting that much detail in (EU Lesotho is ridiculous though). But as the poster above me said, Napoleon has been retconned so that he's arrested and executed before he can enact the 18th of Brumaire Coup D'etat.


It' ain't impossible but the writers could've been more clear on how the eu came to be about part form what they gave us as the specific's are a bit vague for my tastes, and as I have said before seems to show they didn't really look into European history very well, which is a bit insulting when you come from Europe like me. as someone pointed out on TV tropes, the changed history of Julius caser never conquering Britain and Napoleon conquering Britain actually would mean Britain never existing as a nation in a way, plus Napoleon conquering Europe would most likely mean Germany would never come into proper existence if Bismarck etc. never had the chance to rise.

I get around it by having the Britons passively accepting Roman culture instead of having it imposed on them, as obviously Britannia, down to its name, is heavily indebted to Roman Culture, and there's nothing really preventing the Anglo-Saxon invasion. The modern German borders are pretty inexplicable, but really all they'd have to do is add East Prussia and Pomerania and it'd be fine. The EU is basically if the French Revolution had swept up all of Europe.

plus how did the first world war come about, or the war C.C was briefly shown to appear in in episode 25 of season one. It's vagueness like this that makes code Geass a bit annoying at times, feels they wasted the potential to explore a lot of things.

Mentioned this before but my theory is that it was a war in the 1910s/20s between the EU and the Russian Empire.

kaiser11492
2013-09-16, 22:30
First, I feel like its heavily implied those are colonies of the EU Metropolitan countries, not full member states. To kinda walk back what I said earlier, I like the EU being not much better in the area of treating people of Non-European dissent. In fact I have both the EU and Britannia having this as their colonial policy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assimilation_(French_colonial). I also give the EU the French and Dutch holdings in Southeast Asia before the Invasion of Japan.

The Post-WWII map for states is kind of annoying, but I can't blame them too much for not putting that much detail in (EU Lesotho is ridiculous though). But as the poster above me said, Napoleon has been retconned so that he's arrested and executed before he can enact the 18th of Brumaire Coup D'etat.

I get around it by having the Britons passively accepting Roman culture instead of having it imposed on them, as obviously Britannia, down to its name, is heavily indebted to Roman Culture, and there's nothing really preventing the Anglo-Saxon invasion. The modern German borders are pretty inexplicable, but really all they'd have to do is add East Prussia and Pomerania and it'd be fine. The EU is basically if the French Revolution had swept up all of Europe.

Mentioned this before but my theory is that it was a war in the 1910s/20s between the EU and the Russian Empire.

It would make the most sense that most if not all of Africa is composed of colonies/protectorates of the European powers. The map of the EU bothered me too, especially the fact that Poland has East Prussia/Pomerania and that there's an independent Ukraine.

And from what has been seen, the EU seems have a radical liberal government similar to that of the Jacobins during the French Revolution. I believe the word "Floreal" (a month in the French Republican Calendar) appears in Leila's book and we see that the epoch of the EU's calendar is the date of the French Revolution 1789 (in real life the Jacobins used 1792 as the epoch). There's also a scene depicting the Notre Dame de Paris in ruins, which could indicate a Jacobin-like government is in place (Jacobins were fierce opponents of the church).

The supposed retcon of Napoleon just makes things more difficult because without the Napoleonic Wars, then Europe's fate would be changed dramatically. I'm also still somewhat hesitant to accept the change regarding Napoleon as a retcon since we have very little info regarding the EU's development. Also if Napoleon was executed before he could seize power, then wouldn't Revolutionary France under the weak, inefficient Directory be snuffed out by the surrounding autocratic monarchies?

In my opinion, the whole story behind Eowyn repelling Julius Caesar sounds more like legend and propaganda. In actual history, Julius Caesar's invasion of the British Isles was repelled, but the Romans successfully invaded them the second time in 43 AD. In fact the first historical Emperor of Japan is regarded to be Jimmu, despite the fact he's considered more of a legend. Like it was said before, Britannia having references to Romano-British culture doesn't mean that the Anglo-Saxons and the Normans played a role in British history.

For anyone who is interested, this is my approach on Code Geass history.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8237789/1/Classic-History-of-the-Holy-Britannian-Empire

wredsa
2013-09-16, 22:54
Napoleon won against all the monarchs then he was overthrown by the republican and that given the birth of an ideal ( supposedly, we don't know that much about EU ) democratic confedaration.

Scherzo09
2013-09-16, 22:55
It would make the most sense that most if not all of Africa is composed of colonies/protectorates of the European powers. The map of the EU bothered me too, especially the fact that Poland has East Prussia/Pomerania and that there's an independent Ukraine.

Well before the Invasion of Japan, I have Britinnian colonial possessions limited to stuff south of the Congo, though it has greatly expanded since then.

And from what has been seen, the EU seems have a radical liberal government similar to that of the Jacobins during the French Revolution. I believe the word "Floreal" (a month in the French Republican Calendar) appears in Leila's book and we see that the epoch of the EU's calendar is the date of the French Revolution 1789 (in real life the Jacobins used 1792 as the epoch). There's also a scene depicting the Notre Dame de Paris in ruins, which could indicate a Jacobin-like government is in place (Jacobins were fierce opponents of the church).

I think that is true to a certain extent, and I wish they showed stuff like temples to the Goddess of Wisdom and shit like that, but the OVA kinda shows the Republicanism to be a bit of a pretense, with a Bureaucratic elite staying in powering by pandering to Populists.

The supposed retcon of Napoleon just makes things more difficult because without the Napoleonic Wars, then Europe's fate would be changed dramatically. I'm also still somewhat hesitant to accept the change regarding Napoleon as a retcon since we have very little info regarding the EU's development. Also if Napoleon was executed before he could seize power, then wouldn't Revolutionary France under the weak, inefficient Directory be snuffed out by the surrounding autocratic monarchies?

Honestly Napoleon still managing to lose Waterloo is much more inexplicable. It could be that with Britain tied down in British America, probably still suppressing dissidents, that it couldn't manage Europe well. It's also likely that Britain under the Tudors was even more oppressive than it was under the Stuarts, and this lead to a delayed English Civil War which was ignited by the French Revolution. Without the British to worry about, Napoleon could probably achieve his operational objectives on the continent easier, and there was less stress on the Republic's organs of government because the lessened pressure.

In my opinion, the whole story behind Eowyn repelling Julius Caesar sounds more like legend and propaganda. In actual history, Julius Caesar's invasion of the British Isles was repelled, but the Romans successfully invaded them the second time in 43 AD. In fact the first historical Emperor of Japan is regarded to be Jimmu, despite the fact he's considered more of a legend. Like it was said before, Britannia having references to Romano-British culture doesn't mean that the Anglo-Saxons and the Normans played a role in British history.


Don't you mean 'didn't'? I actually re-interpret the whole thing into Eowyn impressing Julius so much with Briton's civilization (which he had whipped into shape with some Geass hijinks) that they came to an agreement where Briton voluntarily became a Foederati of the Republic. Of course, after the fall Britannia would still be subject to the Anglo-Saxon and Norman invasions, just like irl..

Fireminer
2013-09-16, 23:37
Another weird thing about CG is the lack of a diverse force. Sure, KMF is superior, but they aren't invisible. Actually, in urban welfare, they could be considering sitting turtles (due to the lack of free space,...). And all we seen is that everytime Brittania KMF attack, they rarely go with alterliry and infantry support.

Also, they put too much emphasis on CQB. Something like Bamides or Panzel-Hummel is actually having more advantage on firepower and ammunition (two critical elements). But just because they don't have infantry and melee weapon, they were always depicted as inferior.

Kusaja
2013-09-17, 00:12
It would make the most sense that most if not all of Africa is composed of colonies/protectorates of the European powers. The map of the EU bothered me too, especially the fact that Poland has East Prussia/Pomerania and that there's an independent Ukraine.

Aren't you talking about the map shown after Britannia had already defeated the European forces in season two?

If that is the case, then there's not a real issue there, because the EU originally had all of Europe and all of Africa under its possessions as seen in the older previous maps.

Scherzo09
2013-09-17, 06:11
Aren't you talking about the map shown after Britannia had already defeated the European forces in season two?

If that is the case, then there's not a real issue there, because the EU originally had all of Europe and all of Africa under its possessions as seen in the older previous maps.

That still doesn't change the fact that the EU's shown having post-WWII boundaries when there's no adequate explanation for why thatd be the case. Doubly so for modern African states.

Another weird thing about CG is the lack of a diverse force. Sure, KMF is superior, but they aren't invisible. Actually, in urban welfare, they could be considering sitting turtles (due to the lack of free space,...). And all we seen is that everytime Brittania KMF attack, they rarely go with alterliry and infantry support.

Also, they put too much emphasis on CQB. Something like Bamides or Panzel-Hummel is actually having more advantage on firepower and ammunition (two critical elements). But just because they don't have infantry and melee weapon, they were always depicted as inferior.

Well, I get the feeling KMFs were partially designed to be more versatile in an urban environment. If anything, they're worse on an open field than a Main Battle Tank because it has such a tall profile which could be seen over tree tops and terrain for miles.

I mean, a lot of it is simply rule of cool, a lot of the time they don't intend to show actual battle tactics. The extent to which there are some in that PV of episode 2 with Urban Combat was pleasantly surprising enough. Infantry really should have something equivalent to the Regina from the One Year War though.

Renegade334
2013-09-17, 12:33
Could we please move the historical/political discussion to more appropriate threads? Interesting though it may be, it's starting to derail the current topic (episode 2 of Akito). Thanks.

gordol
2013-09-17, 12:54
WOW SHITPOSTING GALORE!

Anyway back on topic, 2 interesting pics from lineart:

-A better view on the Vercingetorix Axe, that's full of gears. Seems interesting

http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/842/asuk.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/asuk.jpg/)


-A halberd for Sutherlands that hasn't appeared yet

http://imageshack.us/scaled/thumb/707/jy3v.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/707/jy3v.jpg/)

Scherzo09
2013-09-17, 13:11
Sorry, I'll make a new page request and bow out of the discussion here until I've actually seen Ep. 2.

DuelGundam2099
2013-09-17, 14:24
Is that a Panzer-Hummel in the top right corner of that first picture?

gordol
2013-09-17, 16:42
Is that a Panzer-Hummel in the top right corner of that first picture?

Yep it has appeared in OVA 1 already and on the website

spoiler for OVA 2

Akito's reaction when he sees Shin

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6560/iiza.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/29/iiza.jpg/)

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mangakid95
2013-09-17, 17:38
Yep it has appeared in OVA 1 already and on the website

spoiler for OVA 2

Akito's reaction when he sees Shin

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6560/iiza.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/29/iiza.jpg/)

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Akito looks like he took a dump in his pants...Where did his usual composure go? Is Shin really that much of a badass to make Akito look fearful?

miroku2192
2013-09-17, 22:04
so when is this episode coming out? or the 3rd episode? I forgot how many i watched of this.

mangakid95
2013-09-17, 23:06
so when is this episode coming out? or the 3rd episode? I forgot how many i watched of this.

This episode (ep 2) came out in Jap theatres on Sep 14th. Assuming that we wait for the the subbers to get the bluray/DVD edition & then sub it. We're looking at it coming out (on anime sites) somewhere between June-August 2014. However there is the rare chance that it comes out & gets subbed early...

konart
2013-09-18, 07:40
This episode (ep 2) came out in Jap theatres on Sep 14th. Assuming that we wait for the the subbers to get the bluray/DVD edition & then sub it. We're looking at it coming out (on anime sites) somewhere between June-August 2014. However there is the rare chance that it comes out & gets subbed early...

Akito is the OVA, not a theatrical movie, it won't take too long to release it.
September 14th was just a screening event. They do this often (1st OVA, 24-25 episodes of season 1, first episode of the second season).

I'm pretty sure will get it by November

Scherzo09
2013-09-18, 10:40
Akito is the OVA, not a theatrical movie, it won't take too long to release it.
September 14th was just a screening event. They do this often (1st OVA, 24-25 episodes of season 1, first episode of the second season).

I'm pretty sure will get it by November

Don't be so sure. Episode was released in theaters in August of last year, and the Blu-Rays didn't come out until April of this year.

gordol
2013-09-18, 11:28
New images from OVA, beware SPOILERS!

http://news.mynavi.jp/articles/2013/09/18/geass/images/002l.jpg
http://news.mynavi.jp/articles/2013/09/18/geass/images/003l.jpg
http://news.mynavi.jp/articles/2013/09/18/geass/images/004l.jpg
http://news.mynavi.jp/articles/2013/09/18/geass/images/005l.jpg
http://news.mynavi.jp/articles/2013/09/18/geass/images/006l.jpg
http://news.mynavi.jp/articles/2013/09/18/geass/images/007l.jpg
http://news.mynavi.jp/articles/2013/09/18/geass/images/009l.jpg
http://news.mynavi.jp/articles/2013/09/18/geass/images/010l.jpg

Bonzo
2013-09-18, 12:02
If that guy is Lelouch, I think they forgot WHAT happened between R1 and R2.

Kusaja
2013-09-18, 12:04
If that guy is Lelouch, I think they forgot WHAT happened between R1 and R2.

It's called making a change, not forgetting it.

Don't be so sure. Episode was released in theaters in August of last year, and the Blu-Rays didn't come out until April of this year.

Episode 1 Releases

August 2012: Theater
October 2012: Playstation Network
January 2013: Blu-Ray

It should be something similar to this.

konart
2013-09-18, 14:30
Don't be so sure. Episode was released in theaters in August of last year, and the Blu-Rays didn't come out until April of this year.

Yeah, but we still had our PSN release, am I wrong?

Scherzo09
2013-09-18, 14:47
Were they able to rip the video from the PSN? I was curious how they got those rips for the initial fan subs.

Shoutmon911
2013-09-18, 17:16
Maybe thats why I was able to see the first episode of the ova sometime around october of last year on youtube. It was probably taken from the PN. Never knew that was possible.

Shoutmon911
2013-09-18, 17:28
Don't be so sure. Episode was released in theaters in August of last year, and the Blu-Rays didn't come out until April of this year.

I dont think so because i remember that i saw episode 1 subbed on youtube around october of last year.

mangakid95
2013-09-18, 19:08
If that guy is Lelouch, I think they forgot WHAT happened between R1 and R2.

It's called retcon. Also, considering the circumstances of Lelouch's mindf*ck by Charles it can be easily pulled off.

What happened in R2 - Lelouch spent 1 yr with Rolo.

What can be retconned because of the OVA - Lelouch spent hypothetically, lets say 6 mths with Rolo & had the other 6 mths of memories implanted.

That gives Lelouch 6 mths "wiggle room" to make an appearance in separate media.

konart
2013-09-19, 01:25
Maybe thats why I was able to see the first episode of the ova sometime around october of last year on youtube. It was probably taken from the PN. Never knew that was possible.

No problem here. Xamd was ripped off the PSN, Gundam Unicorn too

Bonzo
2013-09-19, 03:05
It's called retcon. Also, considering the circumstances of Lelouch's mindf*ck by Charles it can be easily pulled off.

What happened in R2 - Lelouch spent 1 yr with Rolo.

What can be retconned because of the OVA - Lelouch spent hypothetically, lets say 6 mths with Rolo & had the other 6 mths of memories implanted.

That gives Lelouch 6 mths "wiggle room" to make an appearance in separate media.

There's the detail the black knights, (kallen, c.c and other people) always kept lelouch under surveillance for the entire year (taking pictures of him).

In my opinion they just make a cameo for the fans, ignoring the old series.

Kusaja
2013-09-19, 03:51
There's the detail the black knights, (kallen, c.c and other people) always kept lelouch under surveillance for the entire year (taking pictures of him).

I don't think they ever gave a date or a specific period of time for that.

All you have to do is reduce the length to match whatever time this takes.

Scherzo09
2013-09-19, 06:29
Yeah, for all we know, Lelouch could've been living with Rolo for just a week or so when the series starts.

...still don't like him being here though, as a matter of principal.

azul120
2013-09-19, 17:21
That, and he's being put through the ringer even more.

Kusaja
2013-09-19, 19:01
At least he's spending some time in a more interesting way than playing around with Rolo, provided this is actually the same character and not someone else entirely.

That said, he's only like the 10th or 12th thing on my mind when it comes to this particular Code Geass project though. It's not a make-or-break deal for me.

PS: Did anyone notice there's two people who have already rated this episode? Color me surprised.

mangakid95
2013-09-19, 20:40
There's the detail the black knights, (kallen, c.c and other people) always kept lelouch under surveillance for the entire year (taking pictures of him).

In my opinion they just make a cameo for the fans, ignoring the old series.

Again, this can be also be retconned. What's stopping the Black Knights from observing Lelouch even though he was being manipulated? Through C.C., Kallen would have knowledge about geass + Kallen also witnessed Lelouch's geass in the season 1 finale. So him being controlled would be believable for her.

Supposing the reason why they (Black Knights) chose to attack the tower in R2 ep 1 is because this was their first real chance to get to Lelouch. If he really spent the entire year with Rolo, what was stopping them from getting him back?

Scherzo09
2013-09-19, 20:46
I just feel; well, It's not like I hold R2, especially its godawful cliffhanger fakeout beginning, as Sacrosanct, but I think having him involved, if he is really involved, with Akito to be both contrived and also depriving Akito of the ability to be more standalone.

mangakid95
2013-09-19, 21:19
The thing with Code Geass AtE is that Lelouch was bound to appear at some point. I just didn't expect him to appear in this way. (Considering if that even is Lelouch).

He would eventually cross Akito's path:

(1)As Zero, when he was recruiting members for the UFN, he'd possibly meet with Akito's superiors.

(2)As the Emperor, when he began his worldwide war, Akito was bound to clash with his army at some point.

Scherzo09
2013-09-19, 22:11
I didn't think he needed to appear. Amuro and Char didn't need to appear in War in the Pocket or The 08th MS Team.

Those scenarios couldn't have happened because this was an interquel, it takes place between the two rebellions.

GundamFan0083
2013-09-20, 00:14
PS: Did anyone notice there's two people who have already rated this episode? Color me surprised.

Why are you suprised?
All I had to do was read this at AnimeNewsNetwork and realized that this Code Geass was a steaming pile of feces.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-09-15/lelouch-voice-actor-jun-fukuyama-joins-code-geass/akito-the-exiled-cast

The Lelouch-clone is Julius Kingsley, which translates to this to me.

Lelouch Double + R2 ending stabbing + Cart Driver that CC is talking to = Epic Fail Sunrise.

At Xander
Told you Xander, that Lelouch (or a clone of him) would be in Akito and that they had to do it or else their DVD/BD sales would be garbage, and they have been for the most part.
Code Geass is Lelouch and Lelouch is Code Geass.
They put too much weight on this character and they really can't kill him if they want to continue the franchise at this point.
It's Okouchi's fault, and I'm through with this series.

Space Battleship Yamato 2199 is far superior to this anime IMHO, as is Gundam Unicorn, so I'm done with Code Geass at this point.

There's my rant/2 cents.

Kusaja
2013-09-20, 00:14
I didn't think he needed to appear. Amuro and Char didn't need to appear in War in the Pocket or The 08th MS Team.

If you want to be completely meticulous about this sort of thing, there's an elephant in the room: Both of them do show up in prominent secondary roles in Zeta Gundam. It's not even really their story anymore but Kamille's, the conflict is separate from the One Year War and the Titans have emerged as the new threat, and yet they do play a high profile part of it. And you know what? I watched that show before the original Mobile Suit and didn't find either of their actions to be intrusive.

For other examples, I believe Amuro shows up in several Gundam Evolve shorts, and you do see both of their respective robots in a couple of MS Igloo episodes.

And for the record, it could be worse. Like in Votoms, where most of the sequels, prequels and side stories are all about Chirico showing up yet again as the sole protagonist despite his entire character arc being properly resolved at the end of the original TV series. He's in Last Red Shoulder, Pailsen Files, Roots of Ambition, Phantom Arc, Shining Heresy, Alone Again. For a long time Armor Hunter Mellowlink was the only exception to this, at least until they made a couple of one-shot OVAs like Irvine and Finder relatively recently.

EDITED: Just noticed the reply above. Oh, what the hell.

Why are you suprised?
All I had to do was read this at AnimeNewsNetwork and realized that this Code Geass was a steaming pile of feces.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-09-15/lelouch-voice-actor-jun-fukuyama-joins-code-geass/akito-the-exiled-cast

The Lelouch-clone is Julius Kingsley, which translates to this to me.

Lelouch Double + R2 ending stabbing + Cart Driver that CC is talking to = Epic Fail Sunrise.


Curiosity at rating something nobody around here has watched yet. I don't rate anything preemptively.

I don't follow your math above. If anything, it is easier to do something like this when there's a giant one year hole in the time line. It causes the least harm.

This doesn't imply anything about the cart driver at all and there's another tiny little detail: Lelouch is not the point of view character.

I understand not liking an idea, but your reaction strikes me as knee-jerk. Oh, I checked and you did the same for episode one too. Well, shucks.

By the way, you're extremely wrong by assuming that Akito's BD/DVD sales have been garbage.

Or maybe you live in a parallel universe where 30,000 BD/DVD sales are worthless.

GundamFan0083
2013-09-20, 01:56
EDITED: Just noticed the reply above. Oh, what the hell.

Curiosity at rating something nobody around here has watched yet. I don't rate anything preemptively.

I don't follow your math above. If anything, it is easier to do something like this when there's a giant one year hole in the time line. It causes the least harm.

This doesn't imply anything about the cart driver at all and there's another tiny little detail: Lelouch is not the point of view character.

I understand not liking an idea, but your reaction strikes me as knee-jerk. Oh, I checked and you did the same for episode one too. Well, shucks.

By the way, you're extremely wrong by assuming that Akito's BD/DVD sales have been garbage.

Or maybe you live in a parallel universe where 30,000 BD/DVD sales are worthless.

It's also ironic to see someone who likes Yamato complain about reviving or returning popular characters, when that property did that a few times.

My point, which if you hadn't gotten emotional about this you might have noticed, is that Sunrise can's make a Code Geass without Lelouch.
Period.

Yes, I watched the first episode and the music is annoying as fuck.
The battle scenes don't need a damn horn blaring the whole friggin time its going on and the plot was weak, very weak.
So it deserves a 1 because it was painful to watch.
The preview of the second volume in the animenewsnetwork write up looks equally painful with the introduction of a Lelouch clone.

I have discussed this (over a year ago) with people here already in detail and as I said back then, they can't do Code Geass without Lelouch and that shows how weak the storyline really is.

Correction: Make that over 4 years ago.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2805300#post2805300

There is no "alternate universe" about this.
SBY 2199 Volume 1 sold 15,000+ copies in the first WEEK.

Chapter 1 hit #3 with 15,908 units during its first week, Chapter 2 hit #2 at 19,372 units, and Chapter 3 also reached #2 with 23,852 units. Chapter 4′s blu-ray came in at #3 during its first week with 20,941 in sales.

http://ourstarblazers.com/vault/752/

Code Geass can barely make that after months of being out.
It's a flop.

In Yamato (and Gundam) there wasn't such a stink by the fanbase about characters being alive or dead. Nobody threw a hissy fit if anybody suggested that Admiral Okita might still be alive or that he came back in Final Yamato from a coma.
In Code Geass, so much nonsense was built up over the death of Lelouch that the head writer came out and said he was dead.
Now they're going to put him in as a clone and/or alternate personality?
Give me a break.
The show has become a waste of time at this point because they can't get past Lelouch.

Scherzo09
2013-09-20, 02:29
If you want to be completely meticulous about this sort of thing, there's an elephant in the room: Both of them do show up in prominent secondary roles in Zeta Gundam. It's not even really their story anymore but Kamille's, the conflict is separate from the One Year War and the Titans have emerged as the new threat, and yet they do play a high profile part of it. And you know what? I watched that show before the original Mobile Suit and didn't find either of their actions to be intrusive.

For other examples, I believe Amuro shows up in several Gundam Evolve shorts, and you do see both of their respective robots in a couple of MS Igloo episodes.


That's completely and utterly beside the point. Zeta is a sequel series; that's not what Akito is, which is analogous to a side story like War in the Pocket or 08th MS Team, which stand up on their own merits instead of trying to unnecessarily tie back into character or plot threads from 0079. And the thing in IGLOO (which is kinda just a OYW, Zeon Fanboy circlejerk, as much as I personally enjoy it) is no more than a glimpse of the White Devil, it was no more than referencing the Black Knight Rebellion in episode 1, which made since because it was a big deal. But pulling the character into this is another thing entirely.

My point, which if you hadn't gotten emotional about this you might have noticed, is that Sunrise can's make a Code Geass without Lelouch.
Period.

But it didn't need to be this way. It could've been, and may still be for all I know, a standalone story that holds up on its own merits. It certainly has had a different tone than the series. But to me personally its just a move of base pandering to have him in this, that's just honest opinion.

But yeah, objectively, I like Gundam Unicorn and 2199 a lot more than Geass (Mineva Zabi is what Euphemia should have been like). But I liked episode 1, though not as much as Unicorn or 2199, and felt that it could go a long way towards establishing a broader world of Geass. I hope that feeling wasn't wrong.

Fireminer
2013-09-20, 03:31
Geass without Lelouch... Just like Death Note without Light and D: Possible, but won't transfer the same charm like the original.

Kusaja
2013-09-20, 03:37
My point, which if you hadn't gotten emotional about this you might have noticed, is that Sunrise can's make a Code Geass without Lelouch.
Period.


Instead they can only make Code Geass with a "Lelouch"-type of character who is presented as a villain instead of an anti-hero, who doesn't even show up until two hours into a different story, and where the narrative doesn't revolve around him because he arrives halfway through and the Emperor merely uses him as a weapon for fighting Britannia's war. I don't see that being anywhere near as limiting to the storyline nor as personally insulting as you think.

Not going to discuss most of your opinions about the first episode because I share none of them. But now that the soundtrack is out, it is very amusing to still see people complaining about the use of barely two atypical jazz tracks, simply because said two tracks aren't universally appealing.

There is no "alternate universe" about this.
SBY 2199 Volume 1 sold 15,000+ copies in the first WEEK.

Chapter 1 hit #3 with 15,908 units during its first week, Chapter 2 hit #2 at 19,372 units, and Chapter 3 also reached #2 with 23,852 units. Chapter 4′s blu-ray came in at #3 during its first week with 20,941 in sales.

http://ourstarblazers.com/vault/752/

Code Geass can barely make that after months of being out.
It's a flop.


Oh, so you want first WEEK sales only?

Let's use the power of Google and ask the Internet for facts then:

2013 01/28~02/03 BD List
24,507 *1 Code Geass Boukoku no Akito v1

2013 01/28~02/03 DVD List
2,818 *1 Code Geass Boukoku no Akito v1

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-02-05/japan-animation-blu-ray-disc-ranking-january-28-february-3

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-02-05/japan-animation-dvd-ranking-january-28-february-3

That's 24,507 BDs and 2,818 DVDs in the first WEEK.

To highlight the obvious when comparing first WEEKs, 24,507 is a larger figure than 15,908. It would seem reality disagrees with your assessment of "flop" here.

Ignoring cumulative sales doesn't exactly help your case either, since the industry itself doesn't ignore them.

And to quote your own link: An average of 20,000 may not seem like a lot, but since Japanese blu-rays retail for 3-4 times the cost of an American disc, this represents substantial revenue. But apparently this is a "flop" for something that doesn't even have the same running time as any one chapter of Yamato 2199? Nope!


In Yamato (and Gundam) there wasn't such a stink by the fanbase about characters being alive or dead.

That's not really true at all. Let me refresh your memory.



The ending of Farewell to Space Battleship Yamato, which was originally intended to be the final Yamato production, has Yuki dying and the ship itself makes one last suicide run where everyone dies. The end. And what they did do next? They re-made the film as a TV series where that doesn't happen!

If you want to ignore that and look back only to the TV series and how deaths were undone there or later, here's more stuff from that Starblazers site:



In Yamato, the scene is drawn out a bit longer. We see the table where Yuki’s body lies, completely covered (another indication that she is dead,) and Kodai hesitantly pulls back the sheet. With her actually being dead, it’s surprising that Kodai is able to pick her up. Rigor mortis usually sets in within hours and lasts for days. At one point, realizing he’s lost his chance to tell her he loves her, Kodai falls on his knees and sobs, cradling her in his arms.

While this scene is meant to be touching, a demonstration of Kodai’s (literal) undying love for Yuki, it’s really rather disturbing when you realize he’s carrying the corpse of his would-be girlfriend around the ship. While I disliked the “sleeping gas” change, Star Blazers significantly improved this episode by writing this as a coma instead of death. It certainly makes her coming “resurrection” much more believable.

(skip)

We break from the melodrama to Desslok, once again lining up the Argo in his Desslok Cannon sites. The energy beam heads for the Argo. Unable to escape, Sandor hits a switch, and the ship is covered by a milky white film. The beam hits the Argo, only to be reflected right back at Desslok. We get to see a look of horror in his eyes as his ship explodes in a huge fireball. Dessler, like Yuki, is finally, unequivocally dead.

(skip)

Avatar looks at Earth before him and digs out his family photo from his jacket. Tears streaming down his face, he gently touches the photo. His last thought is, “The Earth. I’m sorry I won’t see you green again, but I have seen you.” His arm goes limp and the picture floats to the ground. Dr. Sane peeks in, gasps, then opens the door all the way for a better look. Hardly one for military regs, the doctor nevertheless snaps to a salute.

It’s one of the most moving scenes in the whole series. The animation, script, and score all work to create a wonderfully dramatic scene.

We then see a vignette of Avatar’s face before shifting to Nova. In Yamato, I believe this is to answer his earlier question–Okita’s soul is going to revive Yuki. Of course, that doesn’t quite work when you consider the movie Final Yamato.

(skip)

This last episode is a very satisfying end to the series, hitting the right emotional chords. It’s ultimately uplifting. Although the Captain has gone, he got his last wish to see the Earth. Derek and Nova can now have a future together on a restored planet. Flaws only arise when viewing Episode 26 in the context of future Yamato in which some dramatic moments are undone. (Star Blazers fans didn’t have long to wait for one of them: Desslok is revealed to be alive in the very next episode.) I can’t think of any other cartoon from my childhood that was played as a straight-up drama, allowing even the death of a major character. While it’s easy for anime purists to grouse about what was changed or edited, it’s amazing to consider what was left in.

http://ourstarblazers.com/vault/473/

Keep in mind I am not criticizing the show, but to say nobody was affected by these deaths, including several eventually undone for whatever reason, is unbelievable.


The show has become a waste of time at this point because they can't get past Lelouch.

If the laser-target in your mind is set on only caring provided Lelouch never even shows up in a minor role, that is. I am so glad that doesn't happen to me.

That's completely and utterly beside the point. Zeta is a sequel series; that's not what Akito is, which is analogous to a side story like War in the Pocket or 08th MS Team, which stand up on their own merits instead of trying to unnecessarily tie back into character or plot threads from 0079.

I am of the personal opinion that there isn't some sort of golden rule about what sequels are allowed to do and what side stories aren't.

If you press me, then I can just admit this can be considered an interquel, which makes it both a sequel and a prequel at the same time.

The reason I brought up Zeta is this: it came out long before 0080 and 08th MS Team in production order and was the first official expansion of the Gundam universe.

It's not directly continuing the Zeon vs. Federation war, and I was able to have fun watching that show without knowing anything about the history of Amuro or Char.

Akito the Exiled is the first official expansion of Code Geass and nothing else, since R2 was the 2nd half of the previous story, has been produced before it in animated form.

It's not directly continuing the war for the liberation of Japan, and I have not felt that you need to know much of anything about the history of Lelouch in order to enjoy this.

Whatever the case...I don't think you can say that this is, objectively, deserving of a 1 out of 10 even if you hate the idea of Julius or whoever appearing. Or can you?

mangakid95
2013-09-20, 04:57
It is technically an interquel. It serves as a sequel to R1 & a prequel to R2.

Also I understood what that guy was saying with his cart driver math.
Considering that "Kingsley" doesn't die in AtE, then Lolouch can just geass him to take the stabbing for him. Thus the R2 "Lelouch is dead" ending is rewritten with: "he's still alive, because he was never stabbed in the first place."

Thus, the him being the cart driver theory is proven.

Fireminer
2013-09-20, 07:10
No, I don't think so. There aren't much string attached him with the world: His sister could taking care of herself, Suzaku is Zero, Kallen get back the normal life with her father... Probally C.C and the duty of Watcher, though.

wredsa
2013-09-20, 09:43
If Lelouch is not dead after R2 then his sacrifice would be fraudulent. No one would want to destroy Lelouch's character like that. I hope Sunrise would not bring him back alive. And if they do need to bring him back, he is in the World of C, he can always be contacted by those who can access the World of C.

Scherzo09
2013-09-20, 10:29
It's not really a sequel though, except in a chronological sense. Up until the addition of the new character, it was pretty much completely standalone.

Vallen Chaos Valiant
2013-09-20, 10:31
If Lelouch is not dead after R2 then his sacrifice would be fraudulent. No one would want to destroy Lelouch's character like that. I hope Sunrise would not bring him back alive. And if they do need to bring him back, he is in the World of C, he can always be contacted by those who can access the World of C.

Lulu's character is not destroyed by having him alive. His character can only be destroyed if he intentionally faked his death.

Lulu's survival is not a problem, as long as it was unplanned and unintentional. After all, you can't fault someone for something he didn't try to do.

A sacrifice does not require that it actually be carried out to its conclusion, only that it intended to. Much like when someone performed a suicidal charge to save his comrades, you won't fault him for being captured alive.

Scherzo09
2013-09-20, 10:36
Lulu's character is not destroyed by having him alive. His character can only be destroyed if he intentionally faked his death.

Lulu's survival is not a problem, as long as it was unplanned and unintentional. After all, you can't fault someone for something he didn't try to do.

Well, I think it does rather cheapen it, but tbh I never like the whole "HE DIED FOR THE WORLDS SINS" Thematicism anyways. I found the glorification of him to be insufferable.

However that's all kind of beside the point of the discussion anyways.

GundamFan0083
2013-09-20, 14:58
Instead they can

It deserves the 1 I gave it.
You can get butthurt about it all you want it doesn't change the facts as they are. :heh:

Om Nerabdator
2013-09-20, 15:16
Lulu's character is not destroyed by having him alive. His character can only be destroyed if he intentionally faked his death.


no offense but ive always thought he did do that. he had 2 geass eyes and Charles died choking him with the hand with the mark, he had everything he needed to be immortal

mangakid95
2013-09-20, 15:53
To be completely honest, it doesn't really bother me if Lelouch really did survive or faked his death entirely. At the end of the day, Zero Requiem's goal was to achieve peace, which was achieved. He is still technically "dead", he'll never be able to assume his real identity & he'll never be able to live in any countries that know his face (Which btw is the entire world). So he'll live in isolation if it comes down to that.

He does have a reason for still being alive, he still has his contract with C.C. to fulfill. So him still being alive wouldn't destroy his sacrifice, it just means he has unfinished business.

Also I find death, to be the easy way out, I'd rather he live on & suffer the repercussions of his actions, than just die & leave behind all his problems.

Shoutmon911
2013-09-20, 16:11
It is technically an interquel. It serves as a sequel to R1 & a prequel to R2.

Also I understood what that guy was saying with his cart driver math.
Considering that "Kingsley" doesn't die in AtE, then Lolouch can just geass him to take the stabbing for him. Thus the R2 "Lelouch is dead" ending is rewritten with: "he's still alive, because he was never stabbed in the first place."

Thus, the him being the cart driver theory is proven.

Yeah, i thought that same thing. If this kingsley guy is a clone, whats to say that it wasn't this clone who took the stabbing. But to me it seems unlikley. I saw a picture scene of ATE ep 2 where lelouch/kingsley is with suzaku and suzaku does not seem really happy to see him. In fact suzaku looks furious, thus, it means kingsley probably isnt even a clone. Suzaku doesnt like the idea of working with him. If suzaku is that angry with kingsley he must know that it really is a brain washed lelouch because at that point nobody hated lelouch as much as him.

Shoutmon911
2013-09-20, 16:20
It deserves the 1 I gave it.
You can get butthurt about it all you want it doesn't change the facts as they are. :heh:

hey buddy, If you dont like this ova why are you posting here anyway? :confused:

konart
2013-09-20, 16:26
To be completely honest, it doesn't really bother me if Lelouch really did survive or faked his death entirely. At the end of the day, Zero Requiem's goal was to achieve peace, which was achieved. He is still technically "dead", he'll never be able to assume his real identity & he'll never be able to live in any countries that know his face (Which btw is the entire world). So he'll live in isolation if it comes down to that.

He does have a reason for still being alive, he still has his contract with C.C. to fulfill. So him still being alive wouldn't destroy his sacrifice, it just means he has unfinished business.

Also I find death, to be the easy way out, I'd rather he live on & suffer the repercussions of his actions, than just die & leave behind all his problems.

a) He didn't won't to live. In their dialog with Suzaku (printed in Newtype, if I'm not mistaken. The dialog takes place after Charles is dead) he confirms that there are other ways around, but he does not want to go this way. So no - he definitely didn't fake his death. The only way for him to stay alive was becoming immortal (and as you can guess - even if had the geass code after Charles' death, he had not known about this)

b) He has not. He fulfilled the contract. Unless by fulfilling you mean "had sex and babies so that Sunrise could do a classic trick and make a 3rd season".

//offtopic

mangakid95
2013-09-20, 16:27
Yeah, i thought that same thing. If this kingsley guy is a clone, whats to say that it wasn't this clone who took the stabbing. But to me it seems unlikley. I saw a picture scene of ATE ep 2 where lelouch/kingsley is with suzaku and suzaku does not seem really happy to see him. In fact suzaku looks furious, thus, it means kingsley probably isnt even a clone. Suzaku doesnt like the idea of working with him. If suzaku is that angry with kingsley he must know that it really is a brain washed lelouch because at that point nobody hated lelouch as much as him.

Well, the main point of Kingsley was to give Lelouch fans some fanservice. So whether it's Lelouch or an entirely new character, the fanservice has been delivered.

It also doesn't necessarily need to be Lelouch, it could just be that Kingsley looks so much like Lelouch that Suzaku is reminded of him & his bitter feelings are resurfaced.

a) He didn't won't to live. In their dialog with Suzaku (printed in Newtype, if I'm not mistaken. The dialog takes place after Charles is dead) he confirms that there are other ways around, but he does not want to go this way. So no - he definitely didn't fake his death. The only way for him to stay alive was becoming immortal (and as you can guess - even if had the geass code after Charles' death, he had not known about this)

b) He has not. He fulfilled the contract. Unless by fulfilling you mean "had sex and babies so that Sunrise could do a classic trick and make a 3rd season".

//offtopic

Correction, his contract with C.C. is "die with a smile on your face." So if he is indeed still alive, then that's the only reason he will be alive.

I'm also one of those who supports the "He got Charles' code" theory. If he unknowingly had Charles' code, then he would be in for quite the surprise when he realizes that he died & came back to life.

Also for that theory to work, then the theory that "geass doesn't deactivate until you die" needs to be proven. Since C.C. was wounded by the nun when she got the code, it has been implied that C.C. needed to die for the code to be successfully passed on.

If that can be proven, then him using geass even after Charles' death will be explained.

Kusaja
2013-09-20, 17:47
It deserves the 1 I gave it.
You can get butthurt about it all you want it doesn't change the facts as they are. :heh:

Considering you can't even get sales numbers correct before throwing mud around, facts must mean very little to you. :p

Alright then, keep thinking that way. I disagree but it's your loss.

azul120
2013-09-20, 19:32
Well, I think it does rather cheapen it, but tbh I never like the whole "HE DIED FOR THE WORLDS SINS" Thematicism anyways. I found the glorification of him to be insufferable.

However that's all kind of beside the point of the discussion anyways.

That, and the fact that it was informed as atonement, when it was really a death wish.

I still think he gets mostly abused in the end, only topped by Euphie and Shirley. The Black Knights, among others, at the very least make it out alive despite lesser focus, or in some cases, actually deserving it.

Scherzo09
2013-09-20, 19:40
Eh, Lelouch brought it upon himself; If I were doing Code Geass I'd make it more clear he was undone by his hubris. I mean the reason the Black Knights flip him to Schniezel is because how little Lelouch trusted them, and so I think they were in their rights to not trust him. Though of course Ohgi was thinking with his cock, but I don't think that its as bad some people make it out to be.

On top of the whole Adrian Veidt problem, I think it was also reprehensible because he's leaving Nunnally all alone, when she told him point blank on Damocles that all she wanted was to live out the rest of her life with him.

gordol
2013-09-20, 21:38
Stop the shitposting PV 3 is here!

lots of spoilers:Julius, Brain Raid face open, Vercingetorix, etc

PV 3

h5y_cMfghNk

wredsa
2013-09-20, 22:14
It was Akito smiling and I thought it was Lelouch, My bad.

GundamFan0083
2013-09-20, 22:53
hey buddy, If you dont like this ova why are you posting here anyway? :confused:

Because I can.
This is a discussion/poll thread and it is intended for those of us who don't like it as much as those who do.
I happen to live Code Geass very much, just I am VERY disappointed with this OVA.

Considering you can't even get sales numbers correct before throwing mud around, facts must mean very little to you. :p

Alright then, keep thinking that way. I disagree but it's your loss.

Considering you made the claim that it sold 30,000 (it actually has sold 33,017 total copies DVD/BD), right?
And as of 9/15/2013 that is exactly how many have been sold. (http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showthread.php?p=2032654)


Volume 1 of SBY 2199 on the other hand, has sold a total 37,915 as of 09/12/2013 (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3958392#post3958392) with no signs of letting up, whereas Akito has fizzled as far as I can tell by the data available. Perhaps when the new sales data comes out that will have changed, but for now it is behind even a show as old (in concept/story) as Yamato.

Considering that Akito retails for about $64.00 US (http://www.amazon.com/CODE-GEASS-BOKOKU-AKITO-BLU-RAY/dp/B0098SEZ7Y/ref=sr_1_3?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1379735215&sr=1-3&keywords=code+geass+akito+the+exiled)and SBY 2199 retails for about $89-100 US (http://www.amazon.com/Animation-Battleship-Yamato-BOOKLET-BCXA-485/dp/B00799I57A), I'd say there's considerable difference here in success.
Even with a higher price SBY is selling more.
Why?
Because Akito is for a very limited (albeit devout) fanbase of people like you.
While I commend your loyalty to this show, I don't share your enthusiasm about it and see it as not even worth my time watching because they're bringing Lelouch back into it.
That is my point, and now I've told you for the 3rd and final time.
You may think it's faptacular, but I don't.
To me it is a masterpieceOS, and it's sad, very sad, considering how successful the first 2 seasons were (Code Geass 45,366 total sales, R2 had 42,690 (http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showthread.php?t=111958&page=2)).

I'm betting however, that with Lelouch now in the 2nd volume, the sales of that volume will soar.
Still makes it an epic fail in my book since they can't sell this show without some variant of Lelouch being in it, but no doubt the fanboys/girls will flock to it for their beloved Lulu.
Now, do you understand my point?
Or not?

mangakid95
2013-09-20, 23:00
Stop the shitposting PV 3 is here!

lots of spoilers:Julius, Brain Raid face open, Vercingetorix, etc

PV 3

h5y_cMfghNk

I heard FukuJun, yup Kingsley is a brainwashed Lelouch. It's either that or an elaborate troll set up for the appearace of a lookalike that also has the same voice. -_-

Sunrise if that is a troll, you have a very f*cked up sense of humor.

Kusaja
2013-09-20, 23:19
Considering you made the claim that it sold 30,000 (it actually has sold 33,017 total copies DVD/BD), right?
And as of 9/15/2013 that is exactly how many have been sold. (http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showthread.php?p=2032654)


Oh please, this reads like a bad joke. :eyespin:

Now you're making a big deal out of rounding down from 33,017 to 30,000 when you previously boasted about Yamato 2199 chapter one selling 15,000 copies in one week?

I guess the gap between 33,017 for Akito OVA 1 and 37,915 for Yamato 2199 Chapter One must be as big as the Grand Canyon in your mind, huh? :rolleyes:

Your claim about "differences in success" based on retail price alone (how many goalposts will you keep moving, I wonder?) is also cynically forgetting that Yamato 2199 is a 26 episode TV show initially presented as a series of 7 movies released on relatively quick seasonal schedule, while Akito is a 4 episode OVA presented as 4 movies released yearly. Not to mention that the main reason Yamato has been picking up sales is the fact the entire TV series is now on the air weekly and has been racking up ratings.

Gee, I wonder if that has any influence or provides any additional momentum at all? Nah, surely it doesn't! :rolleyes:

Never mind that Yamato itself is a legend in Japan and was already familiar to multiple generations of viewers from day zero of 2199's production.

I forgot to point out how gloriously misleading your use of Amazon.com Marketplace resellers is, when the actual prices in Amazon Japan are like this:

コードギアス 亡国のアキト第1章
List Price: ¥ 7,140
Price: ¥ 5,290


宇宙戦艦ヤマト2199 1
List Price: ¥ 7,140
Price: ¥ 4,998

It all comes back to how you think Akito is trash so you must use the most narrow-minded and irrational criticism in order to paint selling 33,017 discs as some sort of "abandon ship" flop. Apparently, in your mind, "success" starts at whatever arbitrary point something happens to satisfy your personal needs. Ergo, since a Lelouch-like guy appearing bothers you a lot, it must have been automatically unsuccessful!

In short, your point is great sophistry and poor arguments. Go ask the mania.com sales nuts if they agree with your assessment of Akito being a "flop" with "garbage" sales.

gordol
2013-09-20, 23:36
Stop the shitposting PV 3 is here!

lots of spoilers:Julius, Brain Raid face open, Vercingetorix, etc

PV 3

h5y_cMfghNk

GundamFan0083
2013-09-21, 00:36
Oh please, this reads like a bad joke. :eyespin:



The bad joke here is your inability to admit that I'm right.
They can't make a Code Geass without Lelouch.
You keep deflecting to useless crap because you know you can't deny that Lelouch (or a clone thereof) is now in this series and it proves they can't make this show work without him because the story is so dependent on him that to make it sell he's got to be in it.

http://cdn02.animenewsnetwork.com/thumbnails/fit550x550/cms/news/66442/chara_julius.jpg

You keep jumping over WHY I say this series is an epic piece of shit instead of addressing it head-on.

Is Lelouch in the new series?
Yes.
Is that a fucking asspull on the part of Sunrise?
Yes.
Does it mean that they can't make a Code Geass anime without Lelouch in it?
Yes.
Does that prove my point?
Yes.

Now that Lelouch is in Akito, IT WILL sell.
That's my POINT!
It would not sell without him in it and I see that as total and complete failure on their part, because the story in and of itself cannot stand on its own. Lelouch, has to be in the damn thing.

Is that blunt enough to get through your fanboy-induced fog that has kept you from seeming my point?

This is what I posted originally with regard to this series:

Why are you suprised?
All I had to do was read this at AnimeNewsNetwork and realized that this Code Geass was a steaming pile of feces.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...he-exiled-cast

The Lelouch-clone is Julius Kingsley, which translates to this to me.

Lelouch Double + R2 ending stabbing + Cart Driver that CC is talking to = Epic Fail Sunrise.

Kusaja
2013-09-21, 01:09
Fact: "Lelouch" arrives on a train after almost two (2) hours of completely unrelated events as the introduction of a new enemy character for future episodes.

Your interpretation: This new story totally revolves around him! They can't write anything without him! It's all about Lelouch! 1 out of 10!

Fact: Code Geass Akito sells over 24,000 discs first week and around 33,000 to date.

Your interpretation: It's a flop with terrible sales! They can't hope to sell any of this crap without Lelouch!

Fact: There are people in Japanese forums who say episode two is more interesting than the first one in various ways, like the longer battle scenes for instance.

Your interpretation: I know, they all like it just because Lelouch is present! You can't fool me! That's the only reason it could ever be liked more! That's why it'll sell more too!

Fact: I have been watching this and enjoying it without Lelouch, but I will still watch the next episodes with this new character or his clone/whatever.

Your interpretation: You're a fanboy who thinks this is perfect while it's actually terrible trash!

GundamFan0083
2013-09-21, 01:18
Fact: "Lelouch" arrives on a train after almost two (2) hours of completely unrelated events as the introduction of a new enemy character for future episodes.

Your interpretation: This new story totally revolves around him! They can't write anything without him! It's all about Lelouch! 1 out of 10!

Fact: Code Geass Akito sells over 24,000 discs first week and around 33,000 to date.

Your interpretation: It's a flop with terrible sales! They can't hope to sell any of this crap without Lelouch!

Fact: There are people in Japanese forums who say episode two is more interesting than the first one in various ways, like the longer battle scenes for instance.

Your interpretation: I know, they all like it just because Lelouch is present! You can't fool me! That's the only reason it could ever be liked more! That's why it'll sell more too!

Fact: I have been watching this and enjoying it without Lelouch, but I will still watch the next episodes with this new character or his clone/whatever.

Your interpretation: You're a fanboy who thinks this is perfect while it's actually terrible trash!

Yes I know you can't handle someone else's opinion about this show.
You've made that very clear.
The problem for you in this is that instead of sticking to what I said originally and just stating you didn't think it mattered you jumped on something irrelevant.
I played along with you to see if you'd smarten up and simply disagree, but alas, your fanboyism runs really deep I see and you just can't handle anyone who thinks differently than you do.

Notice that I said I commend your loyalty to this show.
Whereas you lack the decency to simply say that you disagree with my opinion but "to each his/her own."
No, you want to try and FORCE others to like this POS series and that will only help turn undecided folks away.
Afterall, if the fanbase is already starting to get pushy, defensive, and downright antagonistic then the show is not worth watching because it appeals to mostly childish brats rather than adults.

Kusaja
2013-09-21, 01:27
If you keep coming back presenting flawed or incomplete information, which I've directly addressed, you can't expect me to just limit this to respecting a different opinion.

I am "forcing" nobody to watch this. This is simply another circular debate on a forum full of them. If some people are scared off, then they are acting within their rights.

I just think you're a little too harsh and some of your statements are also factually wrong. No matter what your opinion is, though that hyperbolic negativity clearly does not help.

I also don't see anything adult in your attitude, especially not in your ratings. I guess I could rate this a 10/10 to match, but I realize it would be both false and useless.

Bonzo
2013-09-21, 01:39
However, this addition of Lelouch in the akito anime is the umpteenth time japan authors follow fans and otaku desires rather the storyboard.
I bet in future we will produce a Lelouch figure with that clothes.

GundamFan0083
2013-09-21, 01:40
If you keep coming back presenting flawed or incomplete information, which I've directly addressed, you can't expect me to just limit this to respecting a different opinion.

I am "forcing" nobody to watch this. This is simply another circular debate on a forum full of them. If some people are scared off, then they are acting within their rights.

I just think you're a little too harsh and some of your statements are also factually wrong. No matter what your opinion is, though that hyperbolic negativity clearly does not help.

The information about Lelouch being in the new series (which is all that matters with regard to the point I've made) is quite factual.
The animenewsnetwork article isn't a hoax, nor is the image I posted.
And don't tell me you're not trying to force your opinion on me.
You are, and you did when you wrote this:

Curiosity at rating something nobody around here has watched yet. I don't rate anything preemptively.

I don't follow your math above. If anything, it is easier to do something like this when there's a giant one year hole in the time line. It causes the least harm.

This doesn't imply anything about the cart driver at all and there's another tiny little detail: Lelouch is not the point of view character.


You dislike my opinion of the show because you feel it needs to be watched first (you said so above).
I disagree with that opinion.
We judge movies, TV, books, video games, etc by what is presented to us, and while my original hopes for this series were high, they have been disappointed by the introduction of Lelouch.
It's not that don't like the character, it's that Okouchi made it clear that his story was over. Guess that's no longer the case.

As I've said here for years, Sunrise can't make a damn anime of Code Geass without Lelouch in it, and they haven't.
Will that change in the future?
Maybe...maybe not, but for right now HE is in everything that gets animated and it is sickening to me.
I was hoping that this new Code Geass wouldn't have any of the old characters in it, but that was clearly not to be because the story simply isn't strong enough to survive without them.
Pity, because the mecha designs are nice. :(

Kusaja
2013-09-21, 01:42
However, this addition of Lelouch in the akito anime is the umpteenth time japan authors follow fans and otaku desires rather the storyboard.


And it would also the umpteenth time that it is assumed something was done only because of fans and no other reason at all, even if it was already on the storyboard before anyone said anything. That doesn't mean it is good, bad, terrible, great since that is for the rest of the episodes to prove or disprove. I could end up disliking this but only after I watch it.

The information about Lelouch being in the new series (which is all that matters with regard to the point I've made) is quite factual.
The animenewsnetwork article isn't a hoax, nor is the image I posted.

You probably think this is funny, right? I wasn't referring to that.

And don't tell me you're not trying to force your opinion on me.
You are, and you did when you wrote this:


You asked why I found it curious. I briefly explained it, and also added why I didn't think this was causing so much harm to the show.

In other words...I was merely disagreeing with you. How is that forcing you to think differently?

It's natural to rate things after watching them. I have no interest in ever watching Twilight but I would simply refuse to rate it.

Again, I was curious and still disagreed with you.


I was hoping that this new Code Geass wouldn't have any of the old characters in it, but that was clearly not to be because the story simply isn't strong enough to survive without them.


So now you're extending your dislike to not even acknowledging there is at the very least a good reason for having Suzaku in it (and possibly C.C.) as well?

I don't see how you can be angry that the story of a character isn't over when he's not the protagonist and this takes place before the end of his story, which is a year later.

Judging the entire story because of the role played by a couple of old characters is also shortsighted.

It's like you can't see anything beyond them yourself, not just those you accuse. It immediately blocks out any other positive or negative in the show, which is silly.

azul120
2013-09-21, 01:54
Eh, Lelouch brought it upon himself; If I were doing Code Geass I'd make it more clear he was undone by his hubris. I mean the reason the Black Knights flip him to Schniezel is because how little Lelouch trusted them, and so I think they were in their rights to not trust him. Though of course Ohgi was thinking with his cock, but I don't think that its as bad some people make it out to be.

Lelouch had a lot of responsibility, but the thing is, he had a bizarre way of accepting it, not to mention a whole morass of issues. That, and the BKs were incredibly passive aggressive about it, and ultimately beyond hypocritical and myopic about it, and none of them are called on it, ever. The spy who Ohgi keeps a secret all this time, who was responsible for incapacitating him during the Black Rebellion and watches over Lelouch during the interim when he's present at Ashford, and later, Ohgi almost gets himself killed over? She along with Schneizel are among the LAST people who should be trusted over Lelouch. What's more, the deal for Japan is magnitudes worse than the Black Rebellion disappearance, since it left the UFN out to dry. Two things should have happened:

1) Ohgi, after learning that Villetta had been watching over Lelouch for the sake of becoming a noble, should have told her to GTFO.
2) The Black Knights responsible for the betrayal should have been dismissed by the UFN (Kaguya, Xing-ke).

Lelouch may have kept secrets, but there was also stuff he had to deal with they didn't know:

1) His history, and being on Ground Zero when Japan was attacked.
2) Kirihara knowing his identity, and also knowing full well why he couldn't let it be known.
3) Lelouch's memory loss, which was largely responsible for his absence as Zero during the interim.

Kallen was suspicious of Lelouch after he regained his memories when she learned about Geass, but she learned to believe in him on his own terms as she got to vicariously know him. The Black Knights on the other hand? Guilty with no chance of innocence. Ohgi used Kallen to bait him out, accuses her of being under his geass and threatening to gun her down with Lelouch when she tries defending him, and has the gall to go on and accuse Lelouch of using people as pawns. Had they had their way and killed him, Schneizel would have made them his bitches.

On top of the whole Adrian Veidt problem, I think it was also reprehensible because he's leaving Nunnally all alone, when she told him point blank on Damocles that all she wanted was to live out the rest of her life with him.

True. That, and Schneizel had manipulated her. With her truth telling ability, there's just no excuse.

He would have been more useful to the world alive than dead, and would be doing more to atone as such.

Bonzo
2013-09-21, 04:03
If they still use the old characters, nobody care of the new ones.

The merchandise catalogue speak clear, the new kmf, I preordered the robot spirits alexander layla squad, but about human characters? just few stuff and no more.

The new code geass chars not like, maybe the return of old one (also only for cameo) is a consequence, every anime must have a merchandise behind.

Like the "Idol band" composed by lelouch, suzaku, euphemia and cornelia, the figures will out in december and january.

GundamFan0083
2013-09-21, 10:54
You probably think this is funny, right? I wasn't referring to that.

Funny no, typical, yes.
I expected someone who is a diehard fan of Code Geass to get mad, but I'm not going to let that shape my opinion.
It's like telling Star Trek fans you hate Voyager, they get all bent out of shape about it and expect you to change for them.
I admit, I get that way about John Ringo (http://www.amazon.com/Live-Free-Die-Troy-Rising/dp/1439133972)and Ian Douglas' (http://www.amazon.com/Semper-Mars-Heritage-Trilogy-ebook/dp/B0012GTZEI/ref=pd_sim_b_4)stuff, so I know where you're coming from and I understand your irritation, which is why I rolled with it using the sales data to let you blow off some steam.

It is probably this statement more than anything that is irritating to me with regards to this new anime.

From Continue 42 October 2008 issue:

—–Congratulations on the completion of “Code Geass”!! It was a shocking final episode; did you have a difficult time writing it, Mr. Okouchi?

Okouchi: “No. The last episode wasn’t difficult at all; in fact, it was the middle parts of R2 that turned out to be rough going. For the final episode, [I'd/we'd] already decided on the ending when writing the script for the first episode of the previous series. Episode 1, Episode 25 (Episode 1 and the final episode of the previous series) and episode 25 of R2 — these episodes did not deviate much from our original plans.”

—–”Some unresolved mysteries still remain.”

Okouchi: “From the very beginning, [I/we] never planned on explaining everything. In fact, if you ask me, I think we might have overdone the explanations. While it’s undeniable that Lelouch’s story has ended with a full stop, the other characters’ stories are still on-going, and it’s not like the world [of Code Geass] itself has come to an end either. [I/we] didn’t want to end it by closing it up for good.”

—–”Still, isn’t it possible that defeating the wise ruler Schneizel, the person who was supposed to have brought order to the world, might lead to some [viewers] interpreting it as a Bad End?”

Okouchi: “That’s true. There are probably a lot of people who think of it as a Bad End, a tragedy, considering the protagonist’s, Lelouch’s end as well. However, Lelouch says in the first episode: “Only those prepared to be shot are allowed to pull the trigger themselves.” If you were to think of that as his pride, then I think his getting shot (killed) in the end was a logical end. Of course, I understand that not all of the viewers will accept this ending. There were people who wanted a happier ending, after all.”

—–”Was there a dispute among the staff members regarding the ending?”

Okouchi: “No. It was decided fairly naturally. During the “Code Geass” script meetings, there are many cases in which there were a number of disputes, but there were barely any when it came to the scripts for (the previous series’s) episode 25 and the final episode. I think everyone felt the same when it came to the end of the character that is Lelouch.”

—–”Why were you so bold as to choose this ending when the viewers might see it as a Bad End?”

Okouchi: “Bold… yes, we were so bold as to chose this ending. Perhaps the show that is “Code Geass” ending up this way was decided the moment Director Taniguchi and I teamed up. I suppose you can call it our sense of aesthetics, or perhaps a part of our psychological makeup.”

Why?
Because of the years that people have been fighting over whether he was/is alive or not and now in Akito they're going to drag him back into it by putting him in the show.
People are still fighting over whether Lelouch lived or died (http://bokutachinoblog.com/2008/10/01/mythbusting-is-lelouch-really-dead/).
Unless Sunrise enjoys all the emotional fanbase fighting, I'd say that it's time to lay Lelouch to rest and move on with all new characters.
That's what I wanted to see out of this because of all the damn fighting.
I mean, even as a diehard fan, aren't you sick of Lelouch by now?
Honestly, was Amuro Ray in Gundam 0083? No. Was it a good anime on its own? Yes.
Same can be said for 0080 War in the Pocket.
I use those as examples because at the time they were made they were part of the UC Gundam universe and they had completely independent characters set in the same world as Amuro and Char.
That's what Akito should have been IMHO, and it's why it looks like a cheap marketing ploy to me.
Will it be popular with fans?
Now that Lelouch is in it, yes.
However, using a different analogy, the McDonalds Big Mac may be one of the most popular hamburgers in the world, but that doesn't make the meat inside it Filet Mignon.

If as Okouchi stated, Lelouch's story was over at the end of R2, then why do they keep putting Lelouch back into it?
The question is rhetorical and it has only one answer, because they can't sell the damn story without him.
Same reason that Dash in Renya of the Dark is a Lelouch clone.
While I'll admit that I do like Renya of the Dark, I found the "ancestors that look exactly like the characters from the anime" a bit annoying, but not horribly bad because they were not the original characters (save for CC) and they did act different. Taniguichi did a good job of developing them as their own new characters even if they look like the ones from the anime.
In Akito, these are the anime-characters and for me that's a deal breaker as it cheapens the OVA by weakening the new characters ability to take center stage.
Already the talk about this show has started to shift to Suzaku and CC, now that Lelouch is in it I can see the focus shifting almost entirely to him and that makes this OVA Epic Fail in my opinion.

Kusaja
2013-09-21, 13:07
At least it is usually taken for granted that the people complaining about Star Trek Voyager have already seen it.

I am sick of Lelouch as the protagonist. He is not a protagonist here. I wouldn't be interested in watching a direct sequel to Geass R2 where he is the center of the story.

I don't see anything in Akito contradicting what you quoted from the interview because this doesn't change the fact Emperor Lelouch gets stabbed by Suzaku at the end of R2.

The subjective focus of the fanbase is different from the objective focus of the show. I don't judge them as being one and the same thing.

The camera won't follow Julius around for the last two hours of the story while he is occasionally interrupted by Akito and his team. The opposite is what's going to happen.

Gundam 0083's quality is questionable among Gundam fans and other critics. The lack of old characters doesn't remove complaints about the sudden love triangle at the end.

Once again, Amuro Ray and Char Aznable were present in Zeta Gundam as very popular secondary characters, but that didn't make Kamille Vidan irrelevant.

The fact that you prefer Renya of the Dark, which I find to be unevenly paced and underdeveloped, is kind of odd. But I suppose you have the right to like it all the same.

GundamFan0083
2013-09-21, 14:14
At least it is usually taken for granted that the people complaining about Star Trek Voyager have already seen it.

No that's not the case.
Especially not now or at least on on the Trek BBS forums.
There are plenty of Star Trek fans who have expressed not ever wanting to see a particular Star Trek movie, series, or read a specific novel based on what they've seen or heard about it.
Voyager is no different.
The idea that you have to read a book, or watch a show, play a video game etc, in order to judge it is false.
Especially in the world of literary fiction (books), and movies.
Many people will rate a book on Amazon or IMDb without having read or seen it in its entirety.

However, most people will get this decision from a movie/video game trailer, and/or read a sample of the material.
That's what I did with Akito.
I watched the whole first episode, then read the animenewsnetwork articles on the 2nd, saw Lelouch was in it, and decided it is not worth my time.
There are too many other excellent anime, books, and manga out there to waste my time on another Lelouch-based Code Geass.


I am sick of Lelouch as the protagonist. He is not a protagonist here. I wouldn't be interested in watching a direct sequel to Geass R2 where he is the center of the story.

For your sake I hope you're right because I think you may find this show disappointing by the end.
While not a protangonist, it would appear that he isn't going to be just a secondary character in this.
I'm not saying that this is for sure, or that I've any inside information or any nonsense like that, but I am going to speculate and say that it would appear this Julius Kingsley is the main strategist driving Britannia's fight in the European theater alongside Suzaku.
I imagine that means he's going to play more than just a secondary role.
Maybe I'm wrong...but only time will tell.


I don't see anything in Akito contradicting what you quoted from the interview because this doesn't change the fact Emperor Lelouch gets stabbed by Suzaku at the end of R2.

Contradicting, no, I didn't stake that claim.
I said all of the damn fighting Okouchi's comments caused is what aggravated me.
He essentially states that Lelouch's story is over because he's dead.
Implying that any new Code Geass would be devoid of Lelouch.
That is not the case now as this new Akito has shown, so it is unfortunate that Okouchi made such a fuss about Lelouch being dead.
He should have done like Taniguichi and just left it up in the air unanswered.


The camera won't follow Julius around for the last two hours of the story while he is occasionally interrupted by Akito and his team. The opposite is what's going to happen.

That's irrelevant.
It doesn't matter how much screen time Lelouch gets, it matters how he is presented and how much impact to the story he has.
If Lelouch's presence is the only thing keeping people watching Code Geass (save for the few like you), then the show can't stand on its own without him and thus is so dependent on this character's presence that any Code Geass that does not have him in it will fail.
Clearly the makers of Akito want it to succeed and it is for that reason that I believe Lelouch had to be added to it.



Gundam 0083's quality is questionable among Gundam fans and other critics. The lack of old characters doesn't remove complaints about the sudden love triangle at the end.

Yeah, I can agree there. The love triangle between Nina, Gato, and Kou was rushed at the end. However, the show was still very popular at the time it came out and the fanbase ate it up even without Char and Amuro.
Though the solar-cannon thingy was a bit over the top.


Once again, Amuro Ray and Char Aznable were present in Zeta Gundam as very popular secondary characters, but that didn't make Kamille Vidan irrelevant.

Yes they were, and they did detract from Kamille's story.
The whole "IS Quatro Char?" debate consumed many a fan-mail magazine back in the day. Animage dedicated a whole issue to trying to figure that out while poor Kamille was treated like a secondary character.
Hell, just look at some of the poster art for Zeta Gunam.
Who's the smallest character in this?

http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/m/image/1239/14/1239141172577.jpg


That poster actually reminded me of who the real main character is in Gundam.
It's the Gundam, and there hasn't been a Gundam story yet without the mecha in it so I suppose the same could be said for Code Geass.
Sunrise could make an anime of Code Geass without KMFs very easily, but Lelouch would have to be in it for it to be Code Geass.



The fact that you prefer Renya of the Dark, which I find to be unevenly paced and underdeveloped, is kind of odd. But I suppose you have the right to like it all the same.

Yeah, I have the right to like it if I choose, that's a given, Kusaja. :rolleyes:

wredsa
2013-09-21, 14:31
I am not sure about others, but I for one would root for Akito against this "Julius" guy. I guess the creators of this OVA wanted to implement Lelouch-hatred. If they succeed the Lelouch-hatred would be exponentially greater than Suzaku-hatred.

DuelGundam2099
2013-09-21, 14:41
Am I the only person that legitimately does not care if Kingsly is Lelouch or not?:confused: And why is there another PV is the episode was released last week?
People are still fighting over whether Lelouch lived or died.
Unless Sunrise enjoys all the emotional fanbase fighting
If Valvrave rape debating is any indication (with the same writer on staff in both I might add) than probably yes.:heh:

Scherzo09
2013-09-21, 14:43
TBH I wouldn't surprised if the delays were because of writing Lelouch into the episode. I know that's mere supposition on my part and I'll try to keep an open mind, but if that were to be the case that reeeeally rubs me the wrong way.

azul120
2013-09-21, 14:59
I am not sure about others, but I for one would root for Akito against this "Julius" guy. I guess the creators of this OVA wanted to implement Lelouch-hatred. If they succeed the Lelouch-hatred would be exponentially greater than Suzaku-hatred.

Considering that his stint as Demon Emperor didn't entirely have that effect, I would think they would take pity on him instead.

Kusaja
2013-09-21, 15:04
Many people will rate a book on Amazon or IMDb without having read or seen it in its entirety.


Then that just makes those people pitiful in my eyes and it is why Amazon or IMDb ratings tend to be so misleading: prejudice and preemptive bias.

There are too many other excellent anime, books, and manga out there to waste my time on another Lelouch-based Code Geass.


You go do that, but I'll still disagree about your definition of "Lelouch-based" one more time.


For your sake I hope you're right because I think you may find this show disappointing by the end.
While not a protangonist, it would appear that he isn't going to be just a secondary character in this.
I'm not saying that this is for sure, or that I've any inside information or any nonsense like that, but I am going to speculate and say that it would appear this Julius Kingsley is the main strategist driving Britannia's fight in the European theater alongside Suzaku.[

Not if you are paying any attention to the structure of the show. He is a secondary character by definition, since the main characters were all introduced in the first episode and have a significant screen time advantage over him. If you recall the first episode and check what else has been spoiled about the second episode, you would see that's not the case. At most you can say he is arriving because someone has obviously appointed him to go to Europe, but he is not the person leading the fight at this moment.


Contradicting, no, I didn't stake that claim.
I said all of the damn fighting Okouchi's comments caused is what aggravated me.
He essentially states that Lelouch's story is over because he's dead.
Implying that any new Code Geass would be devoid of Lelouch.
That is not the case now as this new Akito has shown, so it is unfortunate that Okouchi made such a fuss about Lelouch being dead.
He should have done like Taniguichi and just left it up in the air unanswered.


Many people who haven't even heard of anything Okouchi said have been fighting over Lelouch's dead or alive state for years. The reason they're arguing about it is because of the ending being what it is, not because of an interview.

And one more time, Lelouch being dead or alive at the end of R2 doesn't factor into Akito.

It doesn't matter how much screen time Lelouch gets, it matters how he is presented and how much impact to the story he has.
If Lelouch's presence is the only thing keeping people watching Code Geass (save for the few like you), then the show can't stand on its own without him and thus is so dependent on this character's presence that any Code Geass that does not have him in it will fail.
Clearly the makers of Akito want it to succeed and it is for that reason that I believe Lelouch had to be added to it.


Screen time does matter unless you want to argue that if he gets just 15-30 minutes of screen time that makes him override everyone else in four hours of story. His actions might be important, but his character isn't a primary one in this situation.

You continue to insist on mixing up the content of a show with the fans of a show.

And you've already been proven wrong about this project automatically failing without Lelouch.


Yes they were, and they did detract from Kamille's story.
The whole "IS Quatro Char?" debate consumed many a fan-mail magazine back in the day. Animage dedicated a whole issue to trying to figure that out while poor Kamille was treated like a secondary character.
Hell, just look at some of the poster art for Zeta Gunam.
Who's the smallest character in this?


Perhaps you should show the other posters, since that's from the new movie trilogy compilation made around the year 2005.

And they didn't detract from Kamille's story. Once again you are confusing fan reaction with the actual content of the show. Quattro and Amuro should have been popular among the audience, but Kamille wasn't a secondary character in Zeta Gundam itself unless your memory of the episodes is incredibly incomplete.


Yeah, I have the right to like it if I choose, that's a given, Kusaja. :rolleyes:


I added that in because, next thing you know, you'll be accusing me of "forcing" you to dislike it. :p

TBH I wouldn't surprised if the delays were because of writing Lelouch into the episode. I know that's mere supposition on my part and I'll try to keep an open mind, but if that were to be the case that reeeeally rubs me the wrong way.

It's a very weak supposition given that his appearance is very short and happens right at the very end, like a cliffhanger.

Considering that his stint as Demon Emperor didn't entirely have that effect, I would think they would take pity on him instead.

You could see that Lelouch was conflicted about his Emperor acts and punished himself in the end. Julius probably won't hesitate for a single moment.

Scherzo09
2013-09-21, 15:28
Well I mean, figuring out the mechanics of working him into the framework of the OVA series.

Kusaja
2013-09-21, 15:32
Well I mean, figuring out the mechanics of working him into the framework of the OVA series.

I think it's more likely they figured that out during the planning between 2008/2010 and 2012 though, not between 2012 and 2013 or during 2013.

GundamFan0083
2013-09-21, 18:07
Am I the only person that legitimately does not care if Kingsly is Lelouch or not?:confused: And why is there another PV is the episode was released last week?

No, over at Myanimelist, there are a lot of people who don't seem to care, but are happy he (or a clone of him) is in it.
There are also quite a few that are not happy about it as well, and some that are absolutely thrilled about it.
Different strokes for different folks as the saying goes.


If Valvrave rape debating is any indication (with the same writer on staff in both I might add) than probably yes.:heh:

Wow, I'm not familiar with that mecha-anime.
Thanks for turning me on to that. :)
I'll have to give it a look-see.

TBH I wouldn't surprised if the delays were because of writing Lelouch into the episode. I know that's mere supposition on my part and I'll try to keep an open mind, but if that were to be the case that reeeeally rubs me the wrong way.

Quite possible considering that Producer of the original anime stated (I think it was in 2010, January) that Lelouch's story had ended but that there was still more of the story to tell.


Considering that his stint as Demon Emperor didn't entirely have that effect, I would think they would take pity on him instead.

I of course agree. :)

Then that just makes those people pitiful in my eyes and it is why Amazon or IMDb ratings tend to be so misleading: prejudice and preemptive bias.

Rating systems have always been that way, and I don't think anyone cares whether you find it pitiful or not. :heh:


Not if you are paying any attention to the structure of the show. He is a secondary character by definition, since the main characters were all introduced in the first episode and have a significant screen time advantage over him. If you recall the first episode and check what else has been spoiled about the second episode, you would see that's not the case. At most you can say he is arriving because someone has obviously appointed him to go to Europe, but he is not the person leading the fight at this moment.

Primary characters can be introduced at any portion of a story.
Take the Emperor from Star Wars.
He's was not introduced until the 2nd movie (episode 5: The Empire Strikes Back, using the chronological order of the movies, not sequence of events) and yet he is one of the main characters in Star Wars.
Not only that, he gets very little screen time, but is the crux of the entire reason for Anakin's descent to the Darkside, and the architect of the demise of the Jedi.
Lelouch's introduction so early in the OVA (2nd episode), tells me he will play a pivotal role in the story, even if he's only shown in fleeting sequences.
That makes him a main character and being Lelouch's clone, he will distract from the other characters. It's a given.



Many people who haven't even heard of anything Okouchi said have been fighting over Lelouch's dead or alive state for years. The reason they're arguing about it is because of the ending being what it is, not because of an interview.

Excluding people living in caves, non-Geass fans, and those who choose not to read online forums on the subject, HOW CAN ANY GEASS FAN NOT have read what Okouchi said about Lelouch?
It's been emblazoned all over the net since 2008.
I find it hard to believe that anyone who has engaged the Cart Driver Club hasn't hit them over the head with his statement at least once over the last 4+ years.


And one more time, Lelouch being dead or alive at the end of R2 doesn't factor into Akito.

How do you know that?
Oh that's right, you don't.
This could easily rewrite the ending of R2, easily.
Sunrise has done it before a la Quatro Bagina, aka Char (who died in the original Gundam at A Boao Qu), among other characters (La Flagga comes to mind).



Screen time does matter unless you want to argue that if he gets just 15-30 minutes of screen time that makes him override everyone else in four hours of story. His actions might be important, but his character isn't a primary one in this situation.

You don't know how much screen time he's going to get, so stop acting like you know.


You continue to insist on mixing up the content of a show with the fans of a show.

And you've already been proven wrong about this project automatically failing without Lelouch.

Really?
Is Lelouch in Akito or not?
Oh yeah, he is, guess that means I'm right.
Sunrise knows it would flop without him so they HAD to add him and they DID.
There's nothing to argue about at this point.
Lelouch/Kingsley is in the new anime because they need the pull of that character to sell Code Geass and they know it.


Perhaps you should show the other posters, since that's from the new movie trilogy compilation made around the year 2005.

Perhaps you should just admit you are wrong and move on.
I chose that poster for the simple reason that it proves my point.


And they didn't detract from Kamille's story. Once again you are confusing fan reaction with the actual content of the show. Quattro and Amuro should have been popular among the audience, but Kamille wasn't a secondary character in Zeta Gundam itself unless your memory of the episodes is incredibly incomplete.


The hell they didn't.
Kamille was a speed bump, a sidestory in the over arching storyline of Char Verses Amuro, which outlasted Kamille as a character into other Gundam stories.

In fact, Akito is a lot like Kamille, his story is like a "Stand Alone Episode" from Ghost in the Shell while Lelouch's story is a "Complex" Episode. Meaning that Akito's character will serve to only enhance Lelouch's.

Kusaja
2013-09-21, 18:40
Rating systems have always been that way, and I don't think anyone cares whether you find it pitiful or not. :heh:


No, that's only limited to rating systems based on popular votes, and I'm sure nobody cares about various parts of your posts either.


Primary characters can be introduced at any portion of a story.
Take the Emperor from Star Wars.
He's was not introduced until the 2nd movie (episode 5: The Empire Strikes Back, using the chronological order of the movies, not sequence of events) and yet he is one of the main characters in Star Wars.
Not only that, he gets very little screen time, but is the crux of the entire reason for Anakin's descent to the Darkside, and the architect of the demise of the Jedi.
Lelouch's introduction so early in the OVA (2nd episode), tells me he will play a pivotal role in the story, even if he's only shown in fleeting sequences.
That makes him a main character and being Lelouch's clone, he will distract from the other characters. It's a given.

Objection: The Emperor has an important role within the Star Wars universe, but he isn't a main character in the original trilogy at all.

You could argue that the prequel trilogy did focus more on him in comparison, which is different, as well as some of the expanded universe stories.

But I can tell you don't have much of a clue about what a main character is. Nor did the Emperor distract people away from other characters like Luke and Darth Vader.

It will only distract those who have problems paying attention to other things, like what takes up most of the story so far.


Excluding people living in caves, non-Geass fans, and those who choose not to read online forums on the subject, HOW CAN ANY GEASS FAN NOT have read what Okouchi said about Lelouch?
It's been emblazoned all over the net since 2008.
I find it hard to believe that anyone who has engaged the Cart Driver Club hasn't hit them over the head with his statement at least once over the last 4+ years.


It seems your experience with the fanbase is rather selective and insular then. This forum isn't the beginning and end of Code Geass discussions. There's a lot of fans both online and offline who either watched the show when it aired on TV or on the official streams which were up for a couple of years in Youtube and Crunchyroll, or who otherwise viewed it without those resources.


How do you know that?
Oh that's right, you don't.
This could easily rewrite the ending of R2, easily.
Sunrise has done it before a la Quatro Bagina, aka Char (who died in the original Gundam at A Boao Qu), among other characters (La Flagga comes to mind).


I don't know for sure, but neither do you. And yet you act like it is somehow written in stone.

Until it actually happens, you won't have any evidence in favor of your excessively pessimistic and cynical speculation.


You don't know how much screen time he's going to get, so stop acting like you know.


You don't know that Julius will dominate the rest of the episodes, so stop acting like you know.


Is Lelouch in Akito or not?
Oh yeah, he is, guess that means I'm right.
Sunrise knows it would flop without him so they HAD to add him and they DID.
There's nothing to argue about at this point.
Lelouch/Kingsley is in the new anime because they need the pull of that character to sell Code Geass and they know it.


You're constantly trying to downplay what anyone remotely familiar with the industry or any experienced sales nuts among the fanbase would describe as "good sales" and quite counter-intuitively treat Akito OVA 1 as if it was some sort of resounding commercial failure. It's cute, in a way, how you prefer to ignore any statements about sales data when they don't favor your arguments. If they sell even more because of this last move, that doesn't suddenly make the previous release a miss.


Perhaps you should just admit you are wrong and move on.
I chose that poster for the simple reason that it proves my point.


Perhaps I won't do that, since it's no wonder how you even need to cherry-pick posters to prove a point.

The hell they didn't.
Kamille was a speed bump, a sidestory in the over arching storyline of Char Verses Amuro, which outlasted Kamille as a character into other Gundam stories.


That's more or less true of Gundam as an entire fictional universe, at least until the end of Char's Counterattack, but it is completely false within the Zeta Gundam TV series.


In fact, Akito is a lot like Kamille, his story is like a "Stand Alone Episode" from Ghost in the Shell while Lelouch's story is a "Complex" Episode. Meaning that Akito's character will serve to only enhance Lelouch's.[

Now you're definitely reaching and jumping to conclusions, but from that statement I can tell you didn't pay a lot of attention to the first episode either.

You could easily argue the opposite: that this is a "stand alone" story in the grand scheme of things, but the presence of the old characters in less dynamic and less developed roles will provide a contrast with the new characters who are being focused on. We already know Lelouch, he won't change at all in this side story. He literally has no freedom of action and is a puppet of Emperor Charles. But how will Akito or Shin react to him? That's more interesting

wredsa
2013-09-21, 18:42
I dont know about other people, but if it is gonna be Akito vs eviLelouch, I would choose Akito.

Also there are others who finds this OVA more interesting than the Series ( example : Monir ) so we ( series lover ) do not have monopoly either.

GundamFan0083
2013-09-21, 20:43
No, that's only limited to rating systems based on popular votes, and I'm sure nobody cares about various parts of your posts either.


I'm not the one with the ego issue here since I've no emotional attachment to this series.
Unlike you. :D


Objection: The Emperor has an important role within the Star Wars universe, but he isn't a main character in the original trilogy at all.

Like hell he isn't.
Did you even watch Star Wars or are you just being foolish on purpose?
Palpatine is a major character, there are no two ways about that.
A minor character is someone like Wedge or Boba Fett, or Jabba the Hut.
Major characters are part of the plot and move it along in the story as central players. Supporting characters are window dressing that help the main characters move the plot.
There would be no plot without Palpatine (or a character like him) in Star Wars.
The "Emperor" figure is required.
To put it in troper terms, he is the "Big Bad (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad)."
Sorry but even TV Tropes has him as the avatar image for the Main antagonist in Star Wars, hence the Big Bad.


You could argue that the prequel trilogy did focus more on him in comparison, which is different, as well as some of the expanded universe stories.

But I can tell you don't have much of a clue about what a main character is. Nor did the Emperor distract people away from other characters like Luke and Darth Vader.

No there is no arguing about it, the prequels ARE part of the main Star Wars universe and Emperor Palpatine IS a main character.
Clearly you're grasping at straws here, why I have no idea since it's not like you're going to win anything in this.
Are you arguing to save face?
To just try and get your way?
What's the point?


It will only distract those who have problems paying attention to other things, like what takes up most of the story so far.

No, if the story was captivating it wouldn't be a problem, but it's not captivating so Sunrise chose to add Lelouch to it.


It seems your experience with the fanbase is rather selective and insular then. This forum isn't the beginning and end of Code Geass discussions. There's a lot of fans both online and offline who either watched the show when it aired on TV or on the official streams which were up for a couple of years in Youtube and Crunchyroll, or who otherwise viewed it without those resources.

No, my experience has ranged from animenewsnetwork, to adult swim, to this place, Myanimelist, varous blogs, etc, et nausium. I used to be an advid fan of this franchise until this new installment.
So yes, Okouchi's interview has been all over the various fansites, it even made it to Gamefaqs and fanfiction.net so I don't see any excuse for a fan to not at least know the head writer said Lelouch was dead and his story over.


I don't know for sure, but neither do you. And yet you act like it is somehow written in stone.

That Lelouch is in the new show is already set in proverbial stone.
It is over and done with now and that's all that matters for my point to be valid.
They can't make a Code Geass anime without him and they just proved it.


You're constantly trying to downplay what anyone remotely familiar with the industry or any experienced sales nuts among the fanbase would describe as "good sales" and quite counter-intuitively treat Akito OVA 1 as if it was some sort of resounding commercial failure. It's cute, in a way, how you prefer to ignore any statements about sales data when they don't favor your arguments. If they sell even more because of this last move, that doesn't suddenly make the previous release a miss.

No, I pulled your sorry little butt back onto my main point and kept you from straying away from it.
I know that hurts, but too bad.
The point is that Sunrise can't make a Code Geass series without Lelouch in it because they know that it will flop.
Now that Lelouch is in Akito, it is a given that Sunrise understands this and from a marketting standpoint it makes perfect sense to do it.
From a story stand point it doesn't, but they obviously don't care.
Money talks and Bullshit walks as the saying goes.
Will the new series now make money?
In my opinion, yes it will.
Why?
Lelouch, and that's it.


Perhaps I won't do that, since it's no wonder how you even need to cherry-pick posters to prove a point.

Your surrender is accepted. :heh:


That's more or less true of Gundam as an entire fictional universe, at least until the end of Char's Counterattack, but it is completely false within the Zeta Gundam TV series.

No it's not "more or less true" it IS TRUE.
Kamille was in one series only, and didn't even make it into the sequel to that series (well not actively anyway he was in a coma for nearly all of it, and then never pilots a Mobile Suit again).
Kamille is a minor character in the Gundam Universe, get over it.
Akito will be the same way.
He will be "hero for a day" and then placed in the same category as Kou Uraki, Christina McKenzie, Judah Ashta, Shiro Amada, etc., etc.
While Lelouch (or some clone thereof)--the Gundam of Geass--will go on and on in each new installment.
It's pathetic.


You could easily argue the opposite: that this is a "stand alone" story in the grand scheme of things, but the presence of the old characters in less dynamic and less developed roles will provide a contrast with the new characters who are being focused on. We already know Lelouch, he won't change at all in this side story. He literally has no freedom of action and is a puppet of Emperor Charles. But how will Akito or Shin react to him? That's more interesting

Since this story is a GAIDEN, a.k.a a side-story, it's a "stand alone" episode meaning a story within the context of a greater story, like an extended episode.
That would have been excellent IMHO if it was about totally new characters without having to drag in the original characters to prop it up.
Shoving Lelouch into this (or a clone of him) was to draw in the fans and nothing else.

Once again I prove my point that there is not now, nor will there likely be any time in the near future, a Code Geass anime without Lelouch in it.

Kusaja
2013-09-21, 22:20
I'm not the one with the ego issue here since I've no emotional attachment to this series.

Considering your various personal attacks, one has to wonder if your attachment isn't just a negative one.


Like hell he isn't.
Did you even watch Star Wars or are you just being foolish on purpose?
Palpatine is a major character, there are no two ways about that.


For the entire fictional universe and for the Star Wars property as it exists now, including prequels, not for each and every movie of the original trilogy.

Nor did you address my other point, that Palpatine's appearance did not take away the spotlight from Luke or Vader.

If anything, his involvement in Return of the Jedi was simply to trigger a resolution of their father/son drama. Defeating him was a means to an end.

The Emperor is a very flat and uninteresting character in the original trilogy. Just a symbol of evil. He wasn't the focus point of those three movies.


Are you arguing to save face?
To just try and get your way?
What's the point?


You could also answer those same questions.


No, if the story was captivating it wouldn't be a problem, but it's not captivating...


Speak for yourself.


So yes, Okouchi's interview has been all over the various fansites, it even made it to Gamefaqs and fanfiction.net so I don't see any excuse for a fan to not at least know the head writer said Lelouch was dead and his story over.


If you really are present in all those places, which aren't the limits of the Internet, you'd realize that information isn't universally known even among the people who go there.


That Lelouch is in the new show is already set in proverbial stone.
It is over and done with now and that's all that matters for my point to be valid.


As long as you keep moving the goalposts of your point depending on the time of the day, I guess?

You were specifically talking about bringing Lelouch back by reviving his dead corpse after R2. This hasn't happened.


No, I pulled your sorry little butt back onto my main point and kept you from straying away from it.

And I'll keep you from straying away from the verifiable fact that Akito episode 1 did not flop even without Lelouch.

Which makes your continued insistence that they weren't making money until Lelouch came up for a cliffhanger in episode 2 both false and disingenuous.


No it's not "more or less true" it IS TRUE.
Kamille was in one series only, and didn't even make it into the sequel to that series (well not actively anyway he was in a coma for nearly all of it, and then never pilots a Mobile Suit again).

Kamille was unquestionably the protagonist of Zeta Gundam. He is not a minor character in Zeta Gundam.

Even Kamille-in-a-coma actually had more of a presence during Double Zeta than either Char or Amuro.

Kamille is a minor character in the Gundam Universe, get over it.
Akito will be the same way.
He will be "hero for a day" and then placed in the same category as Kou Uraki, Christina McKenzie, Judah Ashta, Shiro Amada, etc., etc.


All of those were main characters in their respective series.

And what is so wrong with being "a hero for a day" then? You don't like it, just because Lelouch is there, but other people are fine with that.


While Lelouch (or some clone thereof)--the Gundam of Geass--will go on and on in each new installment.

Purely hypothetically. But even so, it would be better to see him used as a character who isn't the protagonist simply because it's something that wasn't part of the original story.

Like having a Gundam series where the Gundam isn't the protagonist's mobile suit can still be interesting even if the robot itself still shows up in another role.


That would have been excellent IMHO if it was about totally new characters without having to drag in the original characters to prop it up.

You're acting like that is the kiss of death, but it doesn't mean those added characters will take precedence in the context of the story being told.

Let's say Julius pulls off a plan and kills off one of Akito's squad members so Akito and the others have to cope with that and make one last stand.

What's so universe-ruining about that type of story? With or without Julius, it can still work.

Fan reaction isn't everything, since even people who aren't Code Geass fans at all have been enjoying this so far.

Clearly they see something in it unless you can somehow accuse them of being fanboys too.

Once again I prove my point that there is not now, nor will there likely be any time in the near future, a Code Geass anime without Lelouch in it.

If it ever does happen, which you dismiss but I don't, even that doesn't guarantee it will be good or bad.

Fireminer
2013-09-21, 22:31
Let's not turn this into a battlefield, shall we?

And the whole Lelouch/Kingsley fiasco, please wait until you watch ep.2. Then you could based your debate on facts, not on asumtion like this.

GundamFan0083
2013-09-21, 23:28
Considering your various personal attacks, one has to wonder if your attachment isn't just a negative one.

Oh stop whining, you haven't been attacked.
A little ribbing is good for you.
Keeps the ego in check. ;)
My attachment is to Code Geass (S1, R2, Nightmare of Nunnally, Nunnally in Wonderland, Renya of the Dark).
It would have been to this series as well, but it just sucks IMHO and that is irritating because outside of Akito I actually like Code Geass.
Thank Hobby Japan for Oz the Reflection, that one looks interesting since I highly doubt Lelouch will be in it.



For the entire fictional universe and for the Star Wars property as it exists now, including prequels, not for each and every movie of the original trilogy.

For the storyline of the first three movies (which are part 4, 5, and 6 of the six-part story), yes he is.
You seem to forget that Palpatine is a major player in the first 3 acts which WERE written at the same time as the second three.
The last three episodes (or Acts) will be produced in the near future (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_sequel_trilogy).
Palpatine is also rumored to be a major character (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star-Wars-Episode-7-What-We-Know-So-Far-36488.html)in the last three acts of Star Wars.
Why you keep denying this is beyond me.
I'm way more of a fan of Star Wars than I am any anime.
Been into it since I saw episode 4 in the theater in 1979.


Nor did you address my other point, that Palpatine's appearance did not take away the spotlight from Luke or Vader.

Luke and Vader are like CC and Suzaku, who also happen to be in the new Akito.
Wow, why do you think Sunrise did that?
Oh, that's right, because Akito can't stand on its own, that's why.


If anything, his involvement in Return of the Jedi was simply to trigger a resolution of their father/son drama. Defeating him was a means to an end.

The Emperor is a very flat and uninteresting character in the original trilogy. Just a symbol of evil. He wasn't the focus point of those three movies.

What? No, clearly you don't know what a "flat" character is.
A flat character is someone like Rivalz, they have no depth to them, no history or background information and are wholly underdeveloped and have only a minor purpose in the story.


You could also answer those same questions.

I've driven my point home numerous times, but it seems you don't understand it so I keep making an attempt at explaining it to you.
Difficult as it is for you to comprehend, there are legitimate reasons for not liking what Sunrise is doing to Code Geass.


Speak for yourself.

Like I said, some people like McDonalds. :heh:



If you really are present in all those places, which aren't the limits of the Internet, you'd realize that information isn't universally known even among the people who go there.

Most people I debated with about this (Code Geass fans anyways) do know this.


As long as you keep moving the goalposts of your point depending on the time of the day, I guess?

You were specifically talking about bringing Lelouch back by reviving his dead corpse after R2. This hasn't happened.


What are you talking about?
I have not mentioned Lelouch being in the series as proof positive of him coming back from the dead.
I only said it opens the doorway to such nonsense, but I did not state that Sunrise is planning on doing this.
Not that it would surprise me if they did, because profit is more important than storyline.
My point (for the umpteenth time) is that Sunrise cannot make a Code Geass anime without Lelouch in it, and they haven't.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?


And I'll keep you from straying away from the verifiable fact that Akito episode 1 did not flop even without Lelouch.

Which makes your continued insistence that they weren't making money until Lelouch came up for a cliffhanger in episode 2 both false and disingenuous.

The promise of Lelouch being in Akito has been going on prior to the release of the OVA ep 1, so yes, there was Lelouch-hype before it and I would venture that that drove some of the sales.

Like this two-page write up in Newtype about the upcoming Gaiden series.

The first one (even before Renya came out, May 2010)

http://fukanounashigoto.free.fr/livejournal/temp/100510.jpg
The second one (Newtype January 2012):

http://theakiba.com/images/2012/01/2444_code.jpg

There are a few others (even one with Euphie in it), but the gist is the same.
Pair up the new characters with the old in the artwork of the article to draw fans in.


You're acting like that is the kiss of death, but it doesn't mean those added characters will take precedence in the context of the story being told.

Let's say Julius pulls off a plan and kills off one of Akito's squad members so Akito and the others have to cope with that and make one last stand.

Only time will tell whether the old characters overshadow the new ones.
I won't know because I don't care about Akito at this point and you've done a fine job of convincing me that the fan base for this show (assuming they're like you) are too fanatical about protecting it for it to be worth it.


Fan reaction isn't everything, since even people who aren't Code Geass fans at all have been enjoying this so far.

Clearly they see something in it unless you can somehow accuse them of being fanboys too.

How do you know that non-Geass fans are enjoying this show?
Some proof would be nice.


If it ever does happen, which you dismiss but I don't, even that doesn't guarantee it will be good or bad.

No it doesn't, but until Sunrise actually puts Lelouch to rest, we'll never know.

Shoutmon911
2013-09-21, 23:34
[QUOTE=GundamFan0083;4839098]Because I can.
This is a discussion/poll thread and it is intended for those of us who don't like it as much as those who do.
I happen to live Code Geass very much

Okay so you dont like the ova, we get it. You're disappointed. Anyway i recall you saying you were done with code geass, then why are you saying you like it? This kingsley guy was a suprise exlusivley for R2 fans as said by the director. Well, if you dont like it then then that wont hurt the ratings i guess.

GundamFan0083
2013-09-21, 23:42
[QUOTE=GundamFan0083;4839098]Because I can.
This is a discussion/poll thread and it is intended for those of us who don't like it as much as those who do.
I happen to live Code Geass very much

Okay so you dont like the ova, we get it. You're disappointed. Anyway i recall you saying you were done with code geass, then why are you saying you like it? This kingsley guy was a suprise exlusivley for R2 fans as said by the director. Well, if you dont like it then then that wont hurt the ratings i guess.

Now that Lelouch is in Akito, no my like or dislike of it means nothing.
I am well aware of that.
But someone here asked why I gave it a one in the polling and I've explained it (numerous times now).
Kusaja just refuses to accept that I can't stand it.
Why he seems incapable of accepting that I don't know.
If he'd just say something to the effect of: "I accept you don't like it", then I'd let it go, but he can't do that without being snarky, so I have to oblige him with another wall of text. :D

Kusaja
2013-09-22, 00:13
One, I'll make a comment related to those two article spreads:

They are certainly part of hype campaigns but not truly representative of the final product.

Lelouch did not show up in Renya of the Dark, only Dash, which you already said was a different character in practice and that didn't bother you.

Likewise, Emperor Lelouch and prisoner-suit C.C. are not in Akito. Julius will effectively be a different person and C.C. is wearing robes that might be from her cult days.

Nor is Euphemia present, considering she is in fact dead, regardless of her appearance in whatever picture you also referenced.

Finally, the physical release of Akito episode 1 didn't even happen until months after the screenings, by which point everyone should know Lelouch wasn't in the first episode.

Two, I'd say you are still misrepresenting my position in questionable faith, as well as talking down on other people who enjoy this production for perfectly legitimate reasons beyond Julius/Lelouch, but in the interest of restoring some semblance of sanity to this madhouse...I'll drop my half-written reply and just say "do what thou wilt" as a final statement.

GundamFan0083
2013-09-22, 00:18
One, I'll make a comment related to those two article spreads:

They are certainly part of hype campaigns but not truly representative of the final product.

Lelouch did not show up in Renya of the Dark, only Dash, which you already said was a different character in practice and that didn't bother you.

Likewise, Emperor Lelouch and prisoner-suit C.C. are not in Akito. Julius will effectively be a different person and C.C. is wearing robes that might be from her cult days.

Nor is Euphemia present, considering she is in fact dead, regardless of her appearance in whatever picture you also referenced.

Finally, the physical release of Akito episode 1 didn't even happen until months after the screenings, by which point everyone should know Lelouch wasn't in the first episode.

Two, I'd say you are still misrepresenting my position in questionable faith, as well as talking down on other people who enjoy this production for perfectly legitimate reasons beyond Julius/Lelouch, but in the interest of restoring some semblance of sanity to this madhouse...I'll drop my half-written reply and just say "do what thou wilt" as a final statement.

"...shall be the whole of the law."

I came in peace and in peace I'll go. :)

This edit is a courtesy for Kusaja.
You asked which poster had Euphie in it that was promoting the New Code Geass productions (both the manga and anime before we knew what they would be).

Here it is from Newtype March 2010 issue (it's actually a nice piece of artwork to be honest):

http://static.minitokyo.net/downloads/24/32/441624.jpg?1750993258

Other images are available at Minitokyo for anybody interested (http://gallery.minitokyo.net/view/441624).

azul120
2013-09-22, 02:21
You could see that Lelouch was conflicted about his Emperor acts and punished himself in the end. Julius probably won't hesitate for a single moment.

You're missing the point. There were fans who were pulling for Lelouch irrespective of what he was doing at that time as Emperor, just by virtue of being Lelouch, and especially since his former comrades assumed Scrappy status for the betrayal. (For the record, I thought it was an irresponsibly destructive move only explicable as suicide.)

Meanwhile, if Julius really is just Lelouch brainwashed, Charles would assume blame for that and get even more hate for making a pawn of him yet again. If Julius however really is more an evil counterpart, then that's a different story. His identity and actions would be his own.

DuelGundam2099
2013-09-22, 12:22
Wow, I'm not familiar with that mecha-anime.
Thanks for turning me on to that.
I'll have to give it a look-see.
It is a Zegapain remake with vampires replacing computer ghosts, has Code Geass's writing, and the setting of Gundam SEED's first three episodes with tones as consistent as Victory Gundam (that last part according to 2chan anyway) guest starring Amandra from L.Gaim and Tomino, proceed with caution. That's also not counting ep 10's- well you'll see.
Here it is from Newtype March 2010 issue (it's actually a nice piece of artwork to be honest):
Yeah, looks like they noticed the hotlinking.;)
Charles would assume blame for that and get even more hate for making a pawn of him yet again.
Isn't that kind of the main villain's role?:heh:

Xander
2013-09-22, 15:18
Here are some mostly spoiler-free first impressions of Akito the Exiled Episode 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNelvJCZNK4

azul120
2013-09-22, 15:53
It is a Zegapain remake with vampires replacing computer ghosts, has Code Geass's writing, and the setting of Gundam SEED's first three episodes with tones as consistent as Victory Gundam (that last part according to 2chan anyway) guest starring Amandra from L.Gaim and Tomino, proceed with caution. That's also not counting ep 10's- well you'll see.

Yeah, looks like they noticed the hotlinking.;)

Isn't that kind of the main villain's role?:heh:

Well duh. But who says the villain can't get anymore hate for being an even bigger dick just because he's one of the big bads? Point is, he'd be the one responsible (yet again), ergo, the blame would come his way.

GundamFan0083
2013-09-23, 01:40
As I said before, the one thing I do like about Akito is the mecha.
They have some really amazing designs and I like them very much.

Here is a link to Mecha Guy's blog (http://mecha-guy.blogspot.com/2013/09/code-geass-akito-exile-2-7-minutes.html).
I'll post the pictures here, but his blog may cut the link (don't know if he allows hotlinking or not).

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2925hvWOC2Y/UjWoEB0cwJI/AAAAAAAFN4A/wjJpE1_ugZ4/s1600/43.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zqTBibwiTtY/UjWoEMAanjI/AAAAAAAFN3Q/AD_tSfnmaFY/s1600/44.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-W_TXBZJdd0U/UjWoEqt9qSI/AAAAAAAFN3k/2OD0fnm6lnY/s1600/45.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9uyvpuLPM70/UjWoEyr4maI/AAAAAAAFN3g/n1T0x0tmbwg/s1600/46.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pHpzvJFm0Ms/UjWoFpUGJlI/AAAAAAAFN30/ps4NyPgzU0g/s1600/47.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Avhd5Gb0PiU/UjWoF0z_8fI/AAAAAAAFN3w/tjFcqGhhHws/s1600/48.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PPd-gkBrRBo/UjWoGQDODgI/AAAAAAAFN4w/CFr0MIrJkOA/s1600/49.jpg

Lost Cause
2013-09-23, 20:18
They did it! They actually brought "Lelouch" back?!!
This Julius character is pandering to the fans! I so wanted Akito to be more of stand alone than just another carry on!
Might as well do a sequel to R2 now.

Xander
2013-09-23, 21:35
They did it! They actually brought "Lelouch" back?!!
This Julius character is pandering to the fans! I so wanted Akito to be more of stand alone than just another carry on!


I'd prefer to say it is somewhere in between at the moment. To be sure, there is an undeniable element of fan appeasement involved. In spite of this, I trust the specifics will make the viewing experience different enough like they have already done to date. Mind you...one of the things which hasn't been brought up over the last few pages is that Leila seems closer to being the (unofficial) protagonist in practice, not Akito. :heh:

It appears that even in the second episode she is more active than Akito, at least outside of combat roles, but they are obviously setting them up as commander/"princess" and bodyguard/"knight" in terms of interpersonal dynamics. It almost seems a more military-oriented parallel of the Euphemia/Suzaku relationship, instead of trying to copy C.C./Lelouch, though clearly their respective personalities and responsibilities are rather distinct to begin with.

I've also remembered something after looking at the Vercingetorix in both the recent trailer and in the picture GundamFan0083 reposted earlier. The design is reminiscent of Equus from the Code Geass DS game, albeit the golden color scheme is closer to that of Regalia (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/codegeass/geass-ds/regalia.htm), which is the combination of Equus (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/codegeass/geass-ds/equus.htm) and Aquila (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/codegeass/geass-ds/aquila.htm) from said game. There is more of a lingering Lancelot influence involved, which bridges the gap between one of the stranger designs from that particular game and what we've already seen in the original series. Either way, the concept of a horseman/centaur Knightmare Frame seems to be working better in practice than what I imagined back when that design was first announced.

Another thing that doesn't seem to have been mentioned too much before is that Julius is described in his character profile on the official website as being "excessively confident in his own abilities"...which is something that also applies to Lelouch, since we've all seen how he often comes up with complicated plans only for Suzaku to ruin them or some other factor shows up at the last minute. If that happens here and something goes wrong, there is a possibility he'll be sent back to Britannia in shame while Suzaku or some other person cleans up the mess. That's just an idea I've come up with, to give Julius a good amount of spotlight but also plausibly keep him from overwhelming the opposition.

wredsa
2013-09-23, 22:02
Damn, the W-0 is in way over their heads taking on eviLouch and Sukzaku combined ( add to that the rebellious nature of Ryo's group ). Let us see how they fare, I am cheering for Leila and Akito. Go get them Tigers.

Bonzo
2013-09-24, 05:41
Well, at last they're sparing time for the mecha.

Like the transformers toys, change just the head, the robot name and they did a new model.

Zero Gravity
2013-09-26, 14:14
Greetings all, I used to frequent this forum a lot under another guise, but it's been quite some time. Yes indeed, I was drawn back out by this Julius Kingsley character. Sunrise's marketing plan is working.

I'm a little surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet, so want to draw your attention to some info that apparently no one has posted anywhere. Though we do not yet have even the raws for Akito ep 2, the content can pretty easily be extrapolated from recurring themes in Japanese fanart for the episode -Pixiv in particular.

If we look at the fanart, the nature of Julius Kingsley's existence becomes pretty clear. And all I have to say is.......holy shit.

Sunrise really did their homework, I mean they REALLY did. They pegged us Lelouch fangirls dead-on. At this point I'm pretty convinced that the entire last five years was an enormous market research experiment by Sunrise to see how fans reacted to supplementary materials and what the fans turned around and did with the concepts.

Good job Sunrise, good job. Standing ovation from the Lelouch fanbase. Bravo.

I want to stress that the following is EXTRAPOLATION based on recurring trends in fanart and recurring phrases in the very loose Google translate text.

In a nutshell, Julouch and Suzaku's entire relationship seems to consist of exactly what we see when Suzaku drags straightjacket!Lelouch to the Emperor.

Julouch Kingsley is apparently more or less Suzaku's pet, who gives him no freedom whatsoever. Suzaku is never not sending Julius a threatening scowl. Julius has to beg Suzaku even for a drink of water, a request which Suzaku only fulfills by holding his mouth open and pouring water on his face. Suzaku seemingly takes every opportunity to show Julius who's boss and make his life hell. Julius, throughout it all, maintains an infuriatingly smug composure, but breaks on occasion. Perhaps this is why he is said to be 'overly confident'.

Julius also seemingly lives in Suzaku's room..

Alas, poor Julouch...

[Bahahahahahahahahahaha]






http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38625537_big_p1_zps44e05578.jpg

This one is official material:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/tumblr_mt4zb6akoZ1s0n37qo3_500_zps7abb78b5.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/tumblr_mtjhg8hWWo1s2ze7lo2_5001_zps96d794fb.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38678042_p1_zps27955b67.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38702449_big_p1_zps7e3b0e14.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38627285_zpsf98effea.jpg


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38617647_p4_zps19763f58.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38655156_p19_zps8c4d6f6c.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38702449_big_p3_zpsfdcaa3b6.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38607248_big_p4_zps35bea049.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38662463_big_p1_zps05e5e9de.jpg


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38680979_big_p1_zpsd1471b2c.jpg


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38713481_m_zpsccedba1d.png

Xander
2013-09-26, 15:14
I guess that's an interesting...extrapolation about their dynamics, at least in so far as you can take fan art as an indication, but one always requiring a huge grain of salt.

I think it might be fair enough when it comes to Suzaku still being angry at Lelouch and not even regarding him as an actual person though (assumed brainwashing included). Such an attitude on Suzaku's part would make sense during this period of time, especially since I'd speculate he isn't very happy about the whole idea of accompanying Julius either.

That said, I believe the "overconfidence" has more to do with the fact Julius comes out of the train and makes a grand public boast like Zero/Lelouch used to do. Even the newest trailer manages to convey a little of this, if you've seen it, but it's also been mentioned by people who saw the episode. And well...travelling on a train isn't equivalent to living in the same place. But I can see why some fans would jump at the opportunity to read too much into that. Can't deny this is all good for marketing purposes either. :heh:

Zero Gravity
2013-09-26, 21:35
When the themes are recurring though, and the text mentions the same things pretty much across the board, it's pretty indicative. Unless the entire Japanese artist fanbase got together and plotted their attack cohesively.

Also, anyone know what Julouch said when he stepped off the train?

Xander
2013-09-26, 23:39
True, I agree that common themes present in fan art are probably going to be informed or fueled by whatever has actually happened. I just meant that the specific lines between what is directly shown and what is left as a possible - or even obvious - implication are harder to establish. It's still interesting that you brought this up.

Masurao45
2013-09-27, 20:22
Yeah, i thought that same thing. If this kingsley guy is a clone, whats to say that it wasn't this clone who took the stabbing. But to me it seems unlikley. I saw a picture scene of ATE ep 2 where lelouch/kingsley is with suzaku and suzaku does not seem really happy to see him. In fact suzaku looks furious, thus, it means kingsley probably isnt even a clone. Suzaku doesnt like the idea of working with him. If suzaku is that angry with kingsley he must know that it really is a brain washed lelouch because at that point nobody hated lelouch as much as him.

I guess that's an interesting...extrapolation about their dynamics, at least in so far as you can take fan art as an indication, but one always requiring a huge grain of salt.

I think it might be fair enough when it comes to Suzaku still being angry at Lelouch and not even regarding him as an actual person though (assumed brainwashing included). Such an attitude on Suzaku's part would make sense during this period of time, especially since I'd speculate he isn't very happy about the whole idea of accompanying Julius either.

That said, I believe the "overconfidence" has more to do with the fact Julius comes out of the train and makes a grand public boast like Zero/Lelouch used to do. Even the newest trailer manages to convey a little of this, if you've seen it, but it's also been mentioned by people who saw the episode. And well...travelling on a train isn't equivalent to living in the same place. But I can see why some fans would jump at the opportunity to read too much into that. Can't deny this is all good for marketing purposes either. :heh:

I guess that's an interesting...extrapolation about their dynamics, at least in so far as you can take fan art as an indication, but one always requiring a huge grain of salt.

I think it might be fair enough when it comes to Suzaku still being angry at Lelouch and not even regarding him as an actual person though (assumed brainwashing included). Such an attitude on Suzaku's part would make sense during this period of time, especially since I'd speculate he isn't very happy about the whole idea of accompanying Julius either.

That said, I believe the "overconfidence" has more to do with the fact Julius comes out of the train and makes a grand public boast like Zero/Lelouch used to do. Even the newest trailer manages to convey a little of this, if you've seen it, but it's also been mentioned by people who saw the episode. And well...travelling on a train isn't equivalent to living in the same place. But I can see why some fans would jump at the opportunity to read too much into that. Can't deny this is all good for marketing purposes either. :heh:

Greetings all, I used to frequent this forum a lot under another guise, but it's been quite some time. Yes indeed, I was drawn back out by this Julius Kingsley character. Sunrise's marketing plan is working.

I'm a little surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet, so want to draw your attention to some info that apparently no one has posted anywhere. Though we do not yet have even the raws for Akito ep 2, the content can pretty easily be extrapolated from recurring themes in Japanese fanart for the episode -Pixiv in particular.

If we look at the fanart, the nature of Julius Kingsley's existence becomes pretty clear. And all I have to say is.......holy shit.

Sunrise really did their homework, I mean they REALLY did. They pegged us Lelouch fangirls dead-on. At this point I'm pretty convinced that the entire last five years was an enormous market research experiment by Sunrise to see how fans reacted to supplementary materials and what the fans turned around and did with the concepts.

Good job Sunrise, good job. Standing ovation from the Lelouch fanbase. Bravo.

I want to stress that the following is EXTRAPOLATION based on recurring trends in fanart and recurring phrases in the very loose Google translate text.

In a nutshell, Julouch and Suzaku's entire relationship seems to consist of exactly what we see when Suzaku drags straightjacket!Lelouch to the Emperor.

Julouch Kingsley is apparently more or less Suzaku's pet, who gives him no freedom whatsoever. Suzaku is never not sending Julius a threatening scowl. Julius has to beg Suzaku even for a drink of water, a request which Suzaku only fulfills by holding his mouth open and pouring water on his face. Suzaku seemingly takes every opportunity to show Julius who's boss and make his life hell. Julius, throughout it all, maintains an infuriatingly smug composure, but breaks on occasion. Perhaps this is why he is said to be 'overly confident'.

Julius also seemingly lives in Suzaku's room..

Alas, poor Julouch...

[Bahahahahahahahahahaha]






http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38625537_big_p1_zps44e05578.jpg

This one is official material:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/tumblr_mt4zb6akoZ1s0n37qo3_500_zps7abb78b5.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/tumblr_mtjhg8hWWo1s2ze7lo2_5001_zps96d794fb.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38678042_p1_zps27955b67.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38702449_big_p1_zps7e3b0e14.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38627285_zpsf98effea.jpg


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38617647_p4_zps19763f58.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38655156_p19_zps8c4d6f6c.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38702449_big_p3_zpsfdcaa3b6.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38607248_big_p4_zps35bea049.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38662463_big_p1_zps05e5e9de.jpg


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38680979_big_p1_zpsd1471b2c.jpg


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38713481_m_zpsccedba1d.png




If he is a clone, Suzaku isn't happy to see him or work with him due to the fact that Julius reminds him of Lelouch. Working with Lelouch who was brainwashed would be like having two masks to serve him just like how Suzaku went to observe him at Ashford during R2; one who wears a face of a friend while the other who's true face sold him out to the emperor. This time it's a face of a subordinate in place of a friend. If Suzaku did show his hatred to Julius, Suzaku's relationship with Lelouch could be exposed by any chance if so, it's just my assumption. Charles did rewrite Lelouch's memories then V.V. dispatched Rolo and the OSI to observe Lelouch and whatever happened after his memories rewritten is obvious being implied in R2 episode 2.

Due to Akito being set in Europe, if Schneizel is going to make appearance, how will he react to Julius? Nah chances are not cuz Schneizel saw him at Kururugi Shrine during the 2nd Black Rebellion and especially how he was with Rolo during NoN and did not get to see Lelouch. Regarding Nunnally, how will she react? Like NoN all over again, she'll assume it's not her brother but a twin with a familiar voice and during the time Suzaku used her to find out if Lelouch regained his memories. Nunnally may not appear in Akito but in Oz.

Zero Gravity
2013-09-28, 00:26
It will be really interesting to see if Nunnally and Julius interact at all. No chance in hell she wouldn't know it was him though, they would have to hide his face and change his voice before she thought it was someone else. If she ever finds out about the way Suzaku treats him she'd probably go ballistic. Lol

TBH, it's an interesting plot twist because it opens up all kinds of possibilities to give deeper or additional meaning to things that play out in R2. All kinds of possibilities.

I can totally see Suzaku giving Julius refrain to shut him up, hence his turning to refrain when times got tough in R2. I wonder what refrain would do to a person who has no memories beyond whatever the Emperor dictated? :heh:

RRW
2013-09-29, 08:17
when is out for us again?

Lost Cause
2013-09-30, 21:17
Greetings all, I used to frequent this forum a lot under another guise, but it's been quite some time. Yes indeed, I was drawn back out by this Julius Kingsley character. Sunrise's marketing plan is working.

I'm a little surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet, so want to draw your attention to some info that apparently no one has posted anywhere. Though we do not yet have even the raws for Akito ep 2, the content can pretty easily be extrapolated from recurring themes in Japanese fanart for the episode -Pixiv in particular.

If we look at the fanart, the nature of Julius Kingsley's existence becomes pretty clear. And all I have to say is.......holy shit.

Sunrise really did their homework, I mean they REALLY did. They pegged us Lelouch fangirls dead-on. At this point I'm pretty convinced that the entire last five years was an enormous market research experiment by Sunrise to see how fans reacted to supplementary materials and what the fans turned around and did with the concepts.

Good job Sunrise, good job. Standing ovation from the Lelouch fanbase. Bravo.

I want to stress that the following is EXTRAPOLATION based on recurring trends in fanart and recurring phrases in the very loose Google translate text.

In a nutshell, Julouch and Suzaku's entire relationship seems to consist of exactly what we see when Suzaku drags straightjacket!Lelouch to the Emperor.

Julouch Kingsley is apparently more or less Suzaku's pet, who gives him no freedom whatsoever. Suzaku is never not sending Julius a threatening scowl. Julius has to beg Suzaku even for a drink of water, a request which Suzaku only fulfills by holding his mouth open and pouring water on his face. Suzaku seemingly takes every opportunity to show Julius who's boss and make his life hell. Julius, throughout it all, maintains an infuriatingly smug composure, but breaks on occasion. Perhaps this is why he is said to be 'overly confident'.

Julius also seemingly lives in Suzaku's room..

Alas, poor Julouch...

[Bahahahahahahahahahaha]






http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38625537_big_p1_zps44e05578.jpg

This one is official material:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/tumblr_mt4zb6akoZ1s0n37qo3_500_zps7abb78b5.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/tumblr_mtjhg8hWWo1s2ze7lo2_5001_zps96d794fb.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38678042_p1_zps27955b67.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38702449_big_p1_zps7e3b0e14.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38627285_zpsf98effea.jpg


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38617647_p4_zps19763f58.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38655156_p19_zps8c4d6f6c.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38702449_big_p3_zpsfdcaa3b6.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38607248_big_p4_zps35bea049.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38662463_big_p1_zps05e5e9de.jpg


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/toraigan/38680979_big_p1_zpsd1471b2c.jpg


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I must agree! Sunrise dropped a FLEIJA right on top of us with the appearance of "Julouch"(nicely put, by the way!), and were standing there going "wait WHA ....YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME?!?!?!??"@.@
Many here (myself included) said CG wouldn't go over without Lelouch, damned if we weren't right!

Kusaja
2013-09-30, 21:38
I must agree! Sunrise dropped a FLEIJA right on top of us with the appearance of "Julouch"(nicely put, by the way!), and were standing there going "wait WHA ....YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME?!?!?!??"@.@

You sound skeptical, but the fact is Zero Gravity meant that as a positive. And that's fine, really, different people have the right to maintain different interests.

I do want to reiterate that for all practical purposes this isn't Lelouch, just a puppet at Suzaku's beck and call, and those expecting him to be treated like the star are almost certainly going to be disappointed. Since my own interest doesn't exclusively rely on that, my enjoyment should continue to be unaffected either way.

azul120
2013-10-01, 00:01
You sound skeptical, but the fact is Zero Gravity meant that as a positive. And that's fine, really, different people have the right to maintain different interests.

I do want to reiterate that for all practical purposes this isn't Lelouch, just a puppet at Suzaku's beck and call, and those expecting him to be treated like the star are almost certainly going to be disappointed. Since my own interest doesn't exclusively rely on that, my enjoyment should continue to be unaffected either way.

Whether or not it actually IS Lelouch is still going to have an effect. If it isn't, then basically Julius is his just an expy. Otherwise, if it really is Lelouch, then he's being used as a puppet, which affects his story, and relationship, to Suzaku and everyone else affected. The amount of focus he gets here will have little effect on these details.

Kusaja
2013-10-01, 11:07
Whether or not it actually IS Lelouch is still going to have an effect. If it isn't, then basically Julius is his just an expy. Otherwise, if it really is Lelouch, then he's being used as a puppet, which affects his story, and relationship, to Suzaku and everyone else affected. The amount of focus he gets here will have little effect on these details.

At the start of R2, Lelouch already hates Suzaku for his annoying beliefs and how they've been a constant obstacle as well as for selling him out to the Emperor, which led to him losing his memories and being used as bait at school with a fake brother instead of his real sister. This is merely an extension of that, not an earth-shattering revelation. It's basically building on how Suzaku acted towards Lelouch from the duel to the scene in the Emperor's throne room.

Zero Gravity
2013-10-02, 03:23
At the start of R2, Lelouch already hates Suzaku for his annoying beliefs and how they've been a constant obstacle as well as for selling him out to the Emperor, which led to him losing his memories and being used as bait at school with a fake brother instead of his real sister. This is merely an extension of that, not an earth-shattering revelation. It's basically building on how Suzaku acted towards Lelouch from the duel to the scene in the Emperor's throne room.

Obviously you have little regard for their character development. Have you never watched a series where revelations are made at the end of the story that make earlier events ten times more potent?

(Yes, you did, assuming you watched Lelouch of the Rebellion.)

As I mentioned, this presents boundless opportunity to add deeper meaning to events in R2. The fact itself that Julouch seems to exist as Suzaku's psychological punching bag significantly impacts the core of Lelouch and Suzaku's relationship. Yes, handing Lelouch over to the Emperor and having his memories erased was horrible. But now not only do we know that the same thing presumably happened twice, we also know that there was a prolonged period of months wherein Suzaku more or less reveled in continually exacting his revenge on Julouch, who presumably has no idea whatsoever why he is hated so much and denied basic human rights. Suzaku isn't even trying to make him atone for his sins, he's just plain taking advantage of him. It's sadistic.

It's a huge, huge difference from simply turning him in and sending him to Ashford.

Character relationships aren't actually an on/ off circuit, just as I'm sure your friendships are deeper than 'we are friends'.

Kusaja
2013-10-02, 11:38
Obviously you have little regard for their character development. Have you never watched a series where revelations are made at the end of the story that make earlier events ten times more potent?

(Yes, you did, assuming you watched Lelouch of the Rebellion.)

As I mentioned, this presents boundless opportunity to add deeper meaning to events in R2. The fact itself that Julouch seems to exist as Suzaku's psychological punching bag significantly impacts the core of Lelouch and Suzaku's relationship. Yes, handing Lelouch over to the Emperor and having his memories erased was horrible. But now not only do we know that the same thing presumably happened twice, we also know that there was a prolonged period of months wherein Suzaku more or less reveled in continually exacting his revenge on Julouch, who presumably has no idea whatsoever why he is hated so much and denied basic human rights. Suzaku isn't even trying to make him atone for his sins, he's just plain taking advantage of him. It's sadistic.

I'm not sure about what makes you dash to the conclusion that I'd suggest this has no meaning or that I would be disregarding character development.

My only point is it doesn't effectively change what happens next in the established flow of events. I'm saying that it fits within the existing character development arc.

You can absolutely add another layer of meaning and make the results more potent from the viewer's perspective, but Lelouch and Suzaku will still act just as they did in R2.

azul120
2013-10-02, 13:16
At the start of R2, Lelouch already hates Suzaku for his annoying beliefs and how they've been a constant obstacle as well as for selling him out to the Emperor, which led to him losing his memories and being used as bait at school with a fake brother instead of his real sister. This is merely an extension of that, not an earth-shattering revelation. It's basically building on how Suzaku acted towards Lelouch from the duel to the scene in the Emperor's throne room.

If it also becomes part of the actual narrative, it also works against the Black Knights' accusations that "he abandoned us and used us all like pawns" even more, since now it would turn out he'd been used even worse.

Kusaja
2013-10-02, 13:20
That's true but only from an omniscient perspective, since almost all the Black Knights who betrayed Lelouch are supposed to be in jail at this point.

azul120
2013-10-02, 13:26
That's true but only from an omniscient perspective, since almost all the Black Knights who betrayed Lelouch are supposed to be in jail at this point.

True. Still though, it sucks even worse for Lelouch. His middle name might as well be "Chew Toy". (I'm not trying to paint him as an innocent victim, but enough is enough. Not to mention of course everyone who got off much easier.)

And what ZG said about the friendship dynamic, too.

Lost Cause
2013-10-02, 20:18
You sound skeptical, but the fact is Zero Gravity meant that as a positive. And that's fine, really, different people have the right to maintain different interests.

I do want to reiterate that for all practical purposes this isn't Lelouch, just a puppet at Suzaku's beck and call, and those expecting him to be treated like the star are almost certainly going to be disappointed. Since my own interest doesn't exclusively rely on that, my enjoyment should continue to be unaffected either way.

Skeptical? No I was just agreeing with what Zero G said. Nor am I expecting him to get the star treatment, although he will by his fans.
My post was more of a reinforcement of what GundamFan0083 said on how they couldn't pull off a stand alone Code Geass with Lelouch in it.
A shame really since the first episode had me forgetting all about Lelouch of the Rebellion.

wredsa
2013-10-02, 20:25
Skeptical? No I was just agreeing with what Zero G said. Nor am I expecting him to get the star treatment, although he will by his fans.
My post was more of a reinforcement of what GundamFan0083 said on how they couldn't pull off a stand alone Code Geass with Lelouch in it.
A shame really since the first episode had me forgetting all about Lelouch of the Rebellion.

Me too. I totally enjoyed the "Lelouch of the Rebellion"-free casts. Leila, Akito, Ryo, Ayano, Yukia all of them really are awesome characters, I wonder why the producer wanted to insert Lelouch here. Give that guy a break.

Kusaja
2013-10-02, 20:55
Skeptical? No I was just agreeing with what Zero G said. Nor am I expecting him to get the star treatment, although he will by his fans.
My post was more of a reinforcement of what GundamFan0083 said on how they couldn't pull off a stand alone Code Geass with Lelouch in it.
A shame really since the first episode had me forgetting all about Lelouch of the Rebellion.

I found your original post to be a little ambiguous, because that means you're agreeing with both a positive reaction and a negative reaction.

So let me ask you this: are you still interested in Akito the Exiled right now? There's at least three or more different positions about that.

GundamFan0083 didn't like the first episode and doesn't like the news about Julius at all. The reaction was negative.

Zero Gravity is interested in Akito the Exiled because of the news about Julius (can't tell what ZG thinks of the first episode so far). The reaction was positive.

I liked the first episode of Akito the Exiled and I am still interested after the news about Julius. My opinion is currently unchanged.

Fireminer
2013-10-02, 21:06
Nah, who need Julius! Akito has its own charm, you know?

Kusaja
2013-10-02, 21:15
Nah, who need Julius! Akito has its own charm, you know?

I wouldn't even be watching this if I didn't find it to be a distinct experience instead of a repeat of the TV series. Akito is very different in various ways.

What I've said is that I don't think Julius will change everything. I could support Lelouch as Zero, but here I'd simply want Julius to lose or suffer a setback.

Zero Gravity
2013-10-02, 23:10
I'm pretty sure that's why they added Julouch in the manner they did -they know that one segment of the fanbase can't stand Lelouch, and that his being Suzaku's chew toy would go over well with them. They know that the other segment of the fanbase loves Lelouch, but they love him because he's a brilliant mind who is hopelessly flawed and tragic. Thus, injecting him modestly into the story in a way that complicates his tragedy works for everybody all around.

I enjoyed the first ep; it's good to see CG branching out more from the standard giant robot form into more unique stuff. However it did always seem overly obvious to me that Akito himself was a bid by Sunrise to replace Lelouch without fully replacing Lelouch. Come on, at least give the character a different eye and hair color (blue-shifted black and periwinkle don't count..), and give him a personality that isn't cold and sociopathic...

But the Lelouch fanbase didn't even blink at the attempt, hence why they had to call in the cavalry.

Perhaps the addition of Julouch will be good for Akito's character; now Sunrise no longer needs to work so hard to make the character a variable copycat.

Kusaja
2013-10-03, 00:10
I do think the visual resemblance between Lelouch and Akito isn't accidental either, but their personalities differ significantly. What they admittedly share is how they're both "dark" characters who can easily murder people at the blink of an eye, but Akito isn't really the charismatic leadership type. Leila fulfills that role, or at least she's trying to do so.

I'd say Akito is more or less closer to Chirico from Votoms or Setsuna from Gundam 00. He's very much the somber, occasionally snarky yet mostly calm and in control professional soldier...who only goes a bit nuts whenever the Geass activates, but it's different from Lelouch's own brand of extravagant theatrics.

I guess it is a good thing that those who were missing that element will now find it here, but just as well, I am also looking forward to more focus on Akito since he's been set up as a rather mysterious protagonist even within the universe.

azul120
2013-10-03, 04:29
I'm pretty sure that's why they added Julouch in the manner they did -they know that one segment of the fanbase can't stand Lelouch, and that his being Suzaku's chew toy would go over well with them. They know that the other segment of the fanbase loves Lelouch, but they love him because he's a brilliant mind who is hopelessly flawed and tragic. Thus, injecting him modestly into the story in a way that complicates his tragedy works for everybody all around.

As if everything else that happened to Lelouch in R2 wasn't punishment enough...

Blackmambauk
2013-10-03, 05:47
as if we didn't get enough of it in R2, there comes a point where putting through a character through so much angst just get's ridiculous, and Code Geass did that with Lelouch in R2. too much angst isn't good, what's the trope for it again, ah yes Deus Angst Machina.

Come on Sunrise, if Julius is Lelouch, is it necessary to really pile more stuff on him, for me no. But we will find out more in the third episode

anyways getting back on topic, at which point do you guy's think that C.C will appear in Akito, me I think the third episode, since I think I might have read somewhere on here that they confirmed it.

If it is C.C in the picture in the first episode's credits possibly offering what looks like a young Leila a contract, do anyone think's it's the same one for Lelouch, to take her code so she can die, or has C.C got something else in mind.

If Leila does has a geass, what sort of geass do some of you think it is, personally i'm not sure, but hopefully we will find out.

azul120
2013-10-03, 11:28
Here's the thing: if they're making Lelouch into Julius, they're adding to the abuse right off the bat. They're having Lelouch brainwashed by the man he hates, his father, into the type of person doing the type of stuff he HATES, all the while being used like a tool by his then ex-friend looking to enact retribution against him. And he still takes full responsibility for his year-long disappearance from the Black Knights, with no realization on their part of what he went through. (He brought it a bit upon himself via negligence, but still...)

Lost Cause
2013-10-03, 20:00
I found your original post to be a little ambiguous, because that means you're agreeing with both a positive reaction and a negative reaction.

So let me ask you this: are you still interested in Akito the Exiled right now? There's at least three or more different positions about that.

GundamFan0083 didn't like the first episode and doesn't like the news about Julius at all. The reaction was negative.

Zero Gravity is interested in Akito the Exiled because of the news about Julius (can't tell what ZG thinks of the first episode so far). The reaction was positive.

I liked the first episode of Akito the Exiled and I am still interested after the news about Julius. My opinion is currently unchanged.

Yes I'm still interested in Akito, BUT I do think they could have pulled it off without bringing "back" Julius!
I expected cameos of certain characters C.C., Charles, and Zero, but nothing like this. Nor after watching the first episode did I think it required the return of "Lelouch" to bolster its sales.
It was an opportunity to have a new CG with new characters, without getting the old ones back into the mix.
But I'm in for the ride again! And hope it breathes new life in a series that deserves it!

Zero Gravity
2013-10-03, 20:13
Here's the thing: if they're making Lelouch into Julius, they're adding to the abuse right off the bat. They're having Lelouch brainwashed by the man he hates, his father, into the type of person doing the type of stuff he HATES, all the while being used like a tool by his then ex-friend looking to enact retribution against him. And he still takes full responsibility for his year-long disappearance from the Black Knights, with no realization on their part of what he went through. (He brought it a bit upon himself via negligence, but still...)

Ain't it great? :heh:

Don't mind me, I'm just a sadist.

But that's the point, a lot of Lelouch fans are. Sunrise did their homework.

azul120
2013-10-04, 01:47
Ain't it great? :heh:

Don't mind me, I'm just a sadist.

But that's the point, a lot of Lelouch fans are. Sunrise did their homework.

The guy's story already ended in death. Enough is enough. (And he already suffered overkill.)

Kusaja
2013-10-04, 02:03
The greatest "sadist" is probably Taniguchi himself if you take the comments made by the staff at face value, but he's not even remotely involved here.

I am willing to bet that if anyone's suffering is going to be a central point of the Akito story it's not even going to be the suffering of Julius either. His mistreatment should get about as much time as Xingke's illness, proportionally speaking. It'll be pointed out enough to get the idea across, but resolving that isn't the purpose of this project and I don't expect it to occupy a lot of time.

On that note, I think episode 3 is where things will start to get a little too bleak for the members of Akito's team, possibly with the first strike of Julius and Suzaku.

Zero Gravity
2013-10-04, 02:56
The greatest "sadist" is probably Taniguchi himself if you take the comments made by the staff at face value, but he's not even remotely involved here.


To what comments are you referring?

Zero Gravity
2013-10-04, 03:20
If you don't want ep 2 to be spoiled completely, don't click this link, because it will do that: http://touchreceptors.tumblr.com/post/62216438606/okay-so-akito-2-spoilers

[Hahaha..]

Man wow, I totally called the drug thing and I didn't even have a clue. I thought it would just make a cool plot twist.

It can't be refrain though, unless there's a solid form of refrain.

Blackmambauk
2013-10-04, 09:28
bloody hell looked at the link, they really are putting quite the effort into being tormentors aren't they, bloody sunrise, they really know how to do it don't they.

their just cruel gits in my view.

akito proving to be disappointing I feel, shame that, but I guess what do you expect from Sunrise at times. doesn't seem like they are doing much. though that is more of the opinion of the guy in the blog, I hope the two last two episodes make up for the disappointment for the first two episodes, hope c.c's appearance and whatever lelia's geass might be will be interesting to find out.

Xander
2013-10-04, 11:18
If you don't want ep 2 to be spoiled completely, don't click this link, because it will do that: http://touchreceptors.tumblr.com/post/62216438606/okay-so-akito-2-spoilers

[Hahaha..]

Man wow, I totally called the drug thing and I didn't even have a clue. I thought it would just make a cool plot twist.

It can't be refrain though, unless there's a solid form of refrain.

I'm not too sure about this, especially since the person you linked to explicitly says it's their own theory. That's worth confirming or dismissing.

Quickly looking at some Japanese posts...a few seem to mention motion sickness instead, so there's definitely room for another possibility.

It's interesting to see confirmation for several fan art extrapolations you made, but it also seems I was correct in assuming some stuff from those was purely implied too.

Other than that...well, it's really just the first impressions and descriptions from someone who didn't like the film. I don't buy the complaint that there isn't any plot, which seems contradictory based on the information provided, so I'm not inclined to fully trust this person's judgment. Seems to casually dismiss or avoid describing in detail some parts I'd like to hear about, which is a shame, especially since you can't rightfully claim Akito has no development when you're obviously giving several of his scenes purely half-hearted attention. The same thing goes for Leila. This is a work by Kazuki Akane after all, so I think the little things matter. I felt that during the first movie and the second should be no different.

It's also particularly weird to see the scene with Kallen and Suzaku at the waterfall during the original show is being called tasteful. :heh:

I will say it's always good to have more information though, in spite of my own qualms. Oh, before I forget to mention this...one of the related links, here (http://geassactivate.tumblr.com/post/61380717006/i-just-want-to-say-something-about-chapter-2-spoilers), is also worth checking out. It describes what Suzaku and Julius/Lelouch say, including the statement the latter makes at the end.

Zero Gravity
2013-10-04, 12:41
bloody hell looked at the link, they really are putting quite the effort into being tormentors aren't they, bloody sunrise, they really know how to do it don't they.

their just cruel gits in my view.


Yep, told ya.


It's interesting to see confirmation for several fan art extrapolations you made, but it also seems I was correct in assuming some stuff from those was purely implied too.


Inevitably, which is why I was sure to advise not taking them as the Word of God. But I think I nailed most of the main points pretty well. I generally find recurring themes in fanart to be pretty accurately predicting. It's always worth following the fanart.

I will say it's always good to have more information though, in spite of my own qualms. Oh, before I forget to mention this...one of the related links, here (http://geassactivate.tumblr.com/post/61380717006/i-just-want-to-say-something-about-chapter-2-spoilers), is also worth checking out. It describes what Suzaku and Julius/Lelouch say, including the statement the latter makes at the end.

Yeah this link is actually mentioned in the link I provided, which is why I didn't also provide this one. I'm pretty sure these two bloggers actually went to see the movie together.

I agree that these two people probably have a lopsided view of the rest of the movie, because we know they were probably only there because of the Lelouch factor. But at least we know what happens in the movie now -just take their critiques with a huge grain of salt.

Which descriptions mentioned sickness? I'm curious. If this were the case, maybe the 'weird shit' on the table was medication. But if his movements are as erratic as described, that also seems like a pretty serious illness to be letting him waltz around spreading germs in the presence of other important people.

azul120
2013-10-04, 12:59
To what comments are you referring?

Closest thing I remember is something about them making his life harder so that he learns to appreciate what he has.

Xander
2013-10-04, 13:02
Yeah this link is actually mentioned in the link I provided, which is why I didn't also provide this one. I'm pretty sure these two bloggers actually went to see the movie together.

I agree that these two people probably have a lopsided view of the rest of the movie, because we know they were probably only there because of the Lelouch factor. But at least we know what happens in the movie now -just take their critiques with a huge grain of salt.

Which descriptions mentioned sickness? I'm curious. If this were the case, maybe the 'weird shit' on the table was medication. But if his movements are as erratic as described, that also seems like a pretty serious illness to be letting him waltz around spreading germs in the presence of other important people.


The other person seems to be a little bit more positive though still rather forgetful. :heh:

Here's a few links where they bring up the motion sickness I referenced:

http://imgbako.com/208867281.htm
https://twitter.com/oronaiso/status/385060849871642624
http://www.logsoku.com/r/anime2/1379341882/403
http://www.logsoku.com/r/anime2/1379185539/392

Zero Gravity
2013-10-04, 13:06
I don't understand how it could be motion sickness...he can fly a Knightmare around and do crazy stunts at umpteen miles per hour and ride trucks and other trains and motorcycles while reading, but he can't handle this train for some reason..?

Xander
2013-10-04, 13:11
I don't understand how it could be motion sickness...he can fly a Knightmare around and do crazy stunts at umpteen miles per hour and ride trucks and other trains and motorcycles while reading, but he can't handle this train for some reason..?

Well, if it's worth bringing up real life examples...my mother has had a few problems getting on trains or boats but is usually perfectly capable of driving a car.

More on topic, Lelouch's KMF piloting skills aren't very good and we rarely see him doing anything too complicated (beyond the calculations necessary to use the Shinkirou's barrier).

Maybe you can speculate that the transcontinental express is going much faster than the local trains from Area 11 though? Travel time should also be much longer.

Zero Gravity
2013-10-04, 13:28
Yeah but does it cause her to shake uncontrollably and move exaggeratedly? (I don't honestly know, I've never dealt with that kind of thing.)

I guess it's possible. The links that mention it also seem to be in question/ suggestion format though, so either these people have yet to see the movie, or they've seen the movie and they don't even know.

In which case, dammit Sunrise's cliffhangers.

rinichan
2013-10-12, 12:30
Poor Lulu.... I mean Julius....

http://i.imgur.com/ksji64c.jpg

azul120
2013-10-12, 16:50
Poor Lulu.... I mean Julius....

http://i.imgur.com/ksji64c.jpg


If that really is him, and as such, he gets that abuse, I'll be seriously tempted to debase via fanfic a Jerk Sue with Leather Pants from another franchise/fandom. #sourgrapes

Kusaja
2013-10-12, 17:35
Don't see what's so bad about that picture. It matches the previous descriptions.

"Abuse" also seems like too strong of a term for a guy who's just sitting down holding his face and asking for water.

azul120
2013-10-12, 17:46
Don't see what's so bad about that picture. It matches the previous descriptions.

"Abuse" also seems like too strong of a term for a guy who's just sitting down holding his face and asking for water.

If it is Lelouch, he is suffering character abuse by having his memories altered into the type of thing he's against. Not to mention the implications as observed over the past page that Suzaku may be using him as his personal chew toy.

Kusaja
2013-10-12, 18:20
If it is Lelouch, he is suffering character abuse by having his memories altered into the type of thing he's against. Not to mention the implications as observed over the past page that Suzaku may be using him as his personal chew toy.

That's all retroactive and abstract. Julius himself shouldn't realize something is wrong. The known facts about the "abuse" make it seem rather mild. Suzaku has only given him an annoyed look and left his requests unattended for a while. It's not like he's being physically tortured or whatever. He's in good enough health to meet people right after arriving.

azul120
2013-10-12, 22:12
That's all retroactive and abstract. Julius himself shouldn't realize something is wrong. The known facts about the "abuse" make it seem rather mild. Suzaku has only given him an annoyed look and left his requests unattended for a while. It's not like he's being physically tortured or whatever. He's in good enough health to meet people right after arriving.

It may be retroactive, but it still adds to the character abuse toll Lelouch ends up having taken.

MasterVampire
2013-10-15, 05:37
Is episode 2 subbed anywhere?

gordol
2013-10-15, 10:16
PSN release 10/19!

Blackmambauk
2013-10-15, 10:51
awesome, shouldn't take someone or a group of people long to translate it, if they can get a copy of it form there, but then again it was very quick the first episode got translated so.

Thanks Gordol, your posts are always very helpful and welcoming, what would this forum do without you. Where do you get your info?

gordol
2013-10-15, 11:08
awesome, shouldn't take someone or a group of people long to translate it, if they can get a copy of it form there, but then again it was very quick the first episode got translated so.

Thanks Gordol, your posts are always very helpful and welcoming, what would this forum do without you. Where do you get your info?

it's hard being a good poster in a sea of autistic shitposters, but I try to do my best

http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/bmiddle/81cfa85agw1e9m8thnfs1j20di0b9gpk.jpg

http://commu.jp.playstation.com/blog/details/20131015_codegeass.html

DuelGundam2099
2013-10-15, 16:52
Interesting poster, gordol. It could be just me, but is that the image they're using for the OST CDs/download/however OSTs are bought these days?:p
but I try to do my best
And we appreciate it.;)
Is episode 2 subbed anywhere?
I have seen nothing at this time.

gordol
2013-10-16, 09:31
BD on 12/25!

Eternal Dreamer
2013-10-16, 11:05
Thanks for the heads up, gordol! Just pre-ordered it. A nice Christmas gift for myself. :D

konart
2013-10-16, 14:56
Is episode 2 subbed anywhere?

It will be release on PSN on 19th of October and on BD\DVD on 25th of December - how can it possibly be subbed anywhere yet? -_-'

Zero Gravity
2013-10-16, 23:32
He's in good enough health to meet people right after arriving.

Or he

got his fix. Pitchers usually don't have things sticking out of them in addition to handles. It's hard to really tell because the picture is fuzzy, but that looks like a bong to me.

http://i.imgur.com/ksji64c.jpg

Kusaja
2013-10-17, 00:06
Yeah, well...we're apparently days away from being able to answer that question a tiny little bit better....and an unspecified number of months from knowing anything for sure.

Bonzo
2013-10-17, 06:43
I'm still perplexed.

Masurao45
2013-10-17, 22:38
Poor Lulu.... I mean Julius....

http://i.imgur.com/ksji64c.jpg


Based on that picture, looks like Julius is suffering pain just like Rau and Rey in Seed. I wonder if the concept of the C.C drug does apply to LoR from NoN. NoN's Rolo I remember did have problems too before his death and there's a strong hint that Julius could die. I wanna see if he really is taking medication to sustain his health if he was experimented. Plus what I said should explore the mysteries of the Geass Order in LoR because they were trashed during the main storyline and not a lot was yet revealed except for V.V., members, Charles, C.C., Rolo, Bartley, and Jeremiah. They expanded it in NoN though but I wish they could expand them further if movie is a sequel because there's a strong chance that there are surviving members and are rebuilding their organization elsewhere. The members of the Order did say that there's another location in E.U. and I wonder if Akito the Exiled is going to show that? Shin's geass, Shin is strongly hinted to be from the Order. I assume that there are other members of the order who are part of the Britannian military as well.

gordol
2013-10-18, 20:08
Already up on PSN store!

Have some Lancelot

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2623/j5pq.jpg

and some Leila

http://i.imgur.com/p5OUN5m.jpg

GundamFan0083
2013-10-18, 22:03
Already up on PSN store!

Have some Lancelot

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/2623/j5pq.jpg

and some Leila

http://i.imgur.com/p5OUN5m.jpg

Thank you for that Gordol.
The Lancelot does look awesome. :)

gordol
2013-10-18, 22:39
LOL someone uploaded a partial camrip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WARclrUUJ74

Kusaja
2013-10-18, 22:52
Thanks, but the size of those pictures is a little too big without spoiler tags.

I'd rather wait for the complete episode rather than watching bits and pieces though.

Lost Cause
2013-10-20, 12:09
LOL someone uploaded a partial camrip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WARclrUUJ74

Thanks gordol! But in hindsight that was probably the gist of the good stuff from that episode. Still though I want to see it in its entirety, sometimes the dialog can give away things about the upcoming episode.

gordol
2013-10-20, 14:12
Watched OVA 2, my impressions:

http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=484807

OVA 3 PV: gypsy dance and Lancelot Euphie Grief ver.

http://i.imgur.com/w3Ku2bS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nDWFkf3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rxHGegd.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7jo2r3j.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LFCga7C.jpg

Kusaja
2013-10-20, 15:27
Once again thanks, gordol, but let me chuckle for a moment. :heh:

Okay, now actually talking about the second episode of Akito..I liked it, though the source has some technical issues that got in the way of my full enjoyment.

What follows are only my own personal thoughts on a few things, currently without proper translations, so don't read too much into them yet:


-So Shin is apparently the adopted brother or something of that little girl...but the nasty smile on his face suggests that, unlike Lelouch or Xingke, his intentions towards the loli aren't remotely sincere. It comes across as way more manipulative.

-Further confirmation that Akito has some serious mental/emotional damage despite his calm exterior. Obviously caused by his brother's Geass command but compounded by the circumstances. I guess it cements the idea that the objective of this story isn't for Akito to overcome these problems on his own, but for someone to save him.

-And naturally the best candidate for that is Leila, although I don't think they're going for an explicitly romantic angle. He's too distant and self-centered, even more than Lelouch in this respect, so any love is likely to be one-sided. I see it as more of a spiritual/humanitarian thing, though of course that won't stop shippers.

-The random tumblr poster's complaints that Akito was "constantly saving" Leila are a whole load of nonsense. Besides the quick bit from the battle preview, all you get is a scene where he goes to deal with Ashley Asura. Why wouldn't Akito tell Leila to stay back? She's not an ace pilot and the Alexander drones were already defeated.

-It seems the brain scientist lady is going to play a significant role after all, what with the Brain Raid System apparently being based on her frozen husband's (?) ideas. She reminds me a little of the female scientist from Heat Guy J, if anyone has seen that.

-Speaking of BRS, the system appears to create a neural network capable of unintentionally transmitting the effects of Geass across it. I guess we might get some exposition on how that works later on.

-I don't care if someone thinks the rocket launch scene was too long. I thought it was cool.

-Yukiya already has the most obvious death flag of the three Japanese recruits.

-Speaking of the recruits, all of them seem to have learned about Akito's past with Shin through that flashback while under the BRS/Geass effects.

-Not surprising at all, but equal opportunity fanservice with both the girls and boys wearing those skintight pilot suits. I'm fine with all of that.

-Klaus is totally a double agent, apparently for family reasons...the question is for who. Britannia would be the obvious answer but you never know. Also, what the heck is CODE-G supposed to mean?

-Julius/Lelouch isn't really shaking or having exaggerated spasms. Just gesturing with his hand. He doesn't seem drugged to me, even after examining the stuff on the table. It looks like water is spilled all over though.

-Next episode should have a humorous scene with those silly gypsy costumes...but clearly that's not going to last with Suzaku and Lancelot finally entering the stage.

gordol
2013-10-20, 16:01
Regarding Suzaku and Lelouch involvement in the EU front:

They're obviously there for 3 things:
-Geass related shenanigans, looking for C.C
-Control or destroy the Euro Britannia nobles, since they aren't that loyal to Charles
-At least control the territory where the Geass ruins are, so military success is needed

I don't see Suzaku killing the japanese cast, he's more likely to kill the other 3 Knight Order leaders since they are KOR level of skill.

Shin is going to be main cast's antagonist while Suzaku and Lelouch take care of the rest of both E.U and Euro Britannia.

The other OVAs will have the following factions battling each other:
-W0 Unit with their spy and Leila's Geass coming into the spotlight
-Rest of E.U army
-The 3 other Euro Britannia's Knight Orders under Verance
-Michael Knights under Shin trying to take over everything
-Suzaku and Lelouch tag team under direct Charles' orders

THIS GONNA BE GOOD!

Blackmambauk
2013-10-20, 16:23
[QUOTE=gordol;4878468]Watched OVA 2, my impressions:

http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=484807 Gordol is that the link to the vid that freezes at 46:12, which I got this morning or is it a new version that doesn't freeze

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overall episode two didn't seem to have much happen, the battles were well animated and all that, but as far as plot goes, not very interesting in my view.

Most of the characters just don't seem interesting to me, Leila seems to be the only one I find myself interested in, well the other was Michael but they killed him off in 3 minutes in the first episode, Akito (the character) and the other japs just feels boring to me. That's just my view,

Oscar looks more interesting, not surprised that Klaus is a spy, always seem shifty that one. the brain stuff, hmmm not sure what of make of it really.

the rocket scene was ok, though it seems weird they would need a rocket to move their knightmares, do the eu not have any real aircraft or transporters.

Battle scenes alright, Knights of Shin feel one note at the moment, though jean low looked more interesting, Ashura was as hot blooded as he looked.

Would have liked Leila to do a bit more fighting, but I suppose is she more strategist and commander than fighter, so it makes sense.

Shin's Geass was interesting, it seems to have different effects or something, doesn't seem like lulu's Geass at the moment, or there's something about Akito we don't know yet.

Hopefully the final two episodes will be good, as personally I would like to know more about he EU, i.e. more on the council of forty (if they are still going with them being the runner of the,) more on their military, etc. plus what is Leila's geass etc.

Kusaja
2013-10-20, 16:44
Considering the things I pointed out and several others that I left unmentioned, I'd say the episode was actually quite interesting in my opinion, even without being able to discuss anything in great detail right now. That said, for the most part I didn't find it difficult to follow along and the action was very entertaining.

Multiple elements seem to be quite plot relevant and for me the underlying structure of the story has become clearer, but I suppose that's what the eye of the beholder is all about though. We all care about different stuff, and while I felt my attention didn't fade away at any moment, someone else might be bored. Can't help it.

Blackmambauk
2013-10-20, 17:05
I suppose the problem I find myself with Akito is that, for me it just hasn't had a moment that made me go... wow that was awesome, or something that was done in a way that felt different or fresh.

I think that's my underlining problem with Akito, it just feels like the things it does have been done too often in my eyes, or done better elsewhere. Nothing is original, but Akito feel's a bit too what a word for it... play's it safe. Though this all could change in the next two episodes.

As I have rated for the polls above, episode wasn't bad in my view, there are far worser anime out there, but it just didn't really entertain me in the way I wanted it to, which is a shame, as I was really looking forward to watching episode two, but as Kusaja says very well above, it will entertain some people for sure, while bore others, all depends on what your looking to get out of Akito.