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Myssa Rei
2013-10-15, 20:56
So as to not clog up the coming series thread of Kantai, all discussion of the game will be redirected here.

For a bit of history, Kantai Collection is a browser-based CCG published by Kadokawa and hosted at DMM. It was launched on 23 April 2013, and has since then experienced a surge in both exposure and popularity, with around 800,000 registered users as of September 2013.

The gameplay is centered upon naval battles, with individual characters represented by various cards with different attributes. Each of the characters are moe anthropomorphisms of World War II naval warships which are depicted as cute girls, known as "Fleet girls" (艦娘, kanmusu, literally "ship daughter"). These personified warships are based on real-life vessels which are explained in detail within the game; the physical characteristics, appearances and personalities of each of the girls correlate in some way to the real-life vessel (for example, ships with a larger displacement tonnage are often depicted with larger breasts, with the notable exception of a few aircraft carriers). The player takes on the role of an admiral (提督, teitoku), who can either male or female, and organises their fleets in battle in order to win. Combat is largely automated, and manual actions by the player include micromanagement such as building and repairing.

So yeah, pretty much Moe Battleship Girls, the Game (tm).

All discussions may start now for Admirals and would-be Admirals.

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-15, 21:28
My lv 19 Yudachi sank today. I just didn't pay attention because my boss called me. I'm such a shitty teitoku. :(

Back on the topic, what is everyone's equipment line up for your carrier? I tried various ways but I don't really see any noticeable difference in the result.

And still no Kongou in sight. I've been wishing for her everyday, but all I got is Hiei and Haruna (not like it's bad, I just want Kongou as my first) and Nagato.


My farm currently. I should feel bad about it, but I just keep doing it.

http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1264877_10152316537939852_859366817_o.jpg

Myssa Rei
2013-10-15, 21:41
I lost my level 9 Yubari the other night as well. It's a good thing that I soon got another one via construction, but that'll teach me to be careless ESPECIALLY in world 1-3 (which has carrier enemies, ouch).

I haven't gotten a Carrier yet, and Chiyoda doesn't count. And when I tried to CONSTRUCT one, I got Kitakami instead (which isn't bad, but now I need Ooi).

EDIT: I have, as of last count, 8 Isuzus. When I finally unlock the 3rd fleet (still need Naka and Sendai), I can start my Isuzu farm in earnest, mwahahaha.

Wild Goose
2013-10-15, 21:49
...this is probably a game that requires you to be able to read and understand Japanese, right? :heh:

LystAP
2013-10-15, 21:52
My farm currently. I should feel bad about it, but I just keep doing it.

http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1264877_10152316537939852_859366817_o.jpg

Akagi the all-devouring wolf. :heh: At least you don't have Yamato.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-15, 21:52
...this is probably a game that requires you to be able to read and understand Japanese, right? :heh:

It also requires you to fool the DMM site that you're using a Japanese connection too, at least at first. Hence the use of VPN.

EDIT: My best ship girl right now is, surprise surprise, Yamashirou, followed by Hagurou.

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-15, 22:21
Maybe they have something against us Allies for sinking most of the original ships. :(

That is not something I'd be joking about. It's like the Pearl Harbor joke. The Japanese really respect their ships.

The main reason is because there are limited slots for players, and if they open the floodgate for outsiders, it's surely will be swarmed with a bunch of foreigner that will hardly pay anything and could even lead to server bottleneck. I've seen them asking people not to play the game on mobile, but a lot of people don't bother listening. I had to join the lottery for 2 weeks before getting my chance, you know.

Back on the game, this is the reason why we need 4 baths. Akagi gets crit all day, everyday. Even a scratch on the BB could put it in the bath for more than 3 hours.

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/q71/s720x720/1383699_10152317000799852_1316853595_n.jpg

...this is probably a game that requires you to be able to read and understand Japanese, right? :heh:

To my experience, a bunch of 4chan guys who have no clue about Japanese still be able to play it, but that requires extensive amount of reading on the wiki, asking around and be able to recognize the Japanese words at least.

At least with the recent announcement, seems like DMM doesn't mind foreigner much, but they won't guarantee anything, so if you suddenly find you're locked out from the game, don't bother complaining.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-15, 22:24
To be fair, ANY ship class above Light Cruiser getting a scratch on their paint will look forward to upwards of 20 minutes or more in the furo to recover from damage. >_> I think my record was 4+ hours for Yamashirou.

Rias
2013-10-15, 23:07
I'm having a hard time breaking through 2-4. Probably need to level up more...

Myssa Rei
2013-10-15, 23:17
I'm having a hard time breaking through 2-4. Probably need to level up more...

I heard that the zone is a massive roadblock for many Admirals. Given how the recommended minimum level is 30, AND a fleet full of fast battleships, hmm...

Have you tried the all-sub tactic? They say it works, but you pretty much have to run a gauntlet to even GET to 2-4 so...

Rias
2013-10-15, 23:21
I heard that the zone is a massive roadblock for many Admirals. Given how the recommended minimum level is 30, AND a fleet full of fast battleships, hmm...

Have you tried the all-sub tactic? They say it works, but you pretty much have to run a gauntlet to even GET to 2-4 so...

I only have 1 sub so far. Havn't used her much as I don't have any equipment for her, and she does minimal damage so far...

Myssa Rei
2013-10-15, 23:26
I only have 1 sub so far. Havn't used her much as I don't have any equipment for her, and she does minimal damage so far...

A full Kongou-class team supported by carriers seem to be the normal way to go, and just pray that RNG blesses you. Using the sub tactic relies too much on your subs being able to survive the first few nodes full of destroyers and light cruisers.

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-16, 00:14
To pass that map, you have to push through night battle, even when some of your ships are in dangerous state, otherwise you will need an average of lv 40 ships for all of your fleet to safely win against that. After chickening out several times, I decided to put all my chips on the night battle while my Fusou and Kaga at half HP. My party at that time consisted of Nagato kai, Fusou kai, Ise, Kaga, Akagi and Kitakami. Only Nagato was at 35, while all the other at 20+.

Luckily none of my girl sunk in that battle, but man, did my heart jump around whenever the enemy made their turn.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-16, 00:56
Still too early in my Admiral career to worry about that myself. World 2-1 pretty much kicked my main fleet's arse by the second node, so I definitely need leveling (and carriers!) to do before I advance even more.

Azuma Denton
2013-10-16, 09:43
Some useful site:
Most complete english wikia about Kancolle
http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Kancolle_Wiki

List of every ship and their maximum stats
http://www56.atwiki.jp/kancolle/pages/42.html




I go with 4BB (Kongo-kai, Fuso-kai, Ise-kai and Hiei) 1 CV (Akagi-kai) 1 CVL (Hiyo-kai).
Still cant pass through boss node of 2-4.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-16, 18:53
STILL not getting Sendai and Naka (the irony!), which I seriously need to get the third fleet slots. On the bright side, I now have carriers (Sohryuu and Ryuujou), just need to level them up to 10 so I can face World 1-4 again.

On the bright side, I'm also getting so many Isuzus... I have the components of the farm already, but without the 3rd fleet slot, I can't actually do any farming...

Need an additional battleship, as I've got a ton of Heavy Cruisers already (even completed the Chikuma-Tone set).

Azuma Denton
2013-10-16, 19:32
STILL not getting Sendai and Naka (the irony!), which I seriously need to get the third fleet slots. On the bright side, I now have carriers (Sohryuu and Ryuujou), just need to level them up to 10 so I can face World 1-4 again.

On the bright side, I'm also getting so many Isuzus... I have the components of the farm already, but without the 3rd fleet slot, I can't actually do any farming...

Need an additional battleship, as I've got a ton of Heavy Cruisers already (even completed the Chikuma-Tone set).
If you want battleship, level your current main fleet so you can get to world 2 fast.
In 2-2, farm Kongou sisters and Fuso sisters...

Dark Faith
2013-10-16, 19:51
This looks.. seriously awesome.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-16, 19:54
If you want battleship, level your current main fleet so you can get to world 2 fast.

Minimum level? My Yamashiro is at level 14, and she still gets her arse handed to her. Not going to tackle the place until I get both my Carriers to 15 maybe, and a few Heavy Cruisers as well.

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-16, 20:23
The last stage of each map is always a huge obstacle. Like how when you break through 2-4, 3-1 and 4-1 is just a breeze, so it's worth to try to pass the last stage to reach new map.

In case of 1-4, I think you only need 2 CVs, 1 BB, 2 CAs and just one ship that doesn't get sunk fast before reaching the boss node. Or you could just put your weakest ship as your flagship. I beat them with my highest ship around level 17, if my mind serves me right.

Azuma Denton
2013-10-16, 20:58
I beat world 1-4 with purely 5 CA and 1 CVL on average lvl 12...
If you have Mogami-class CA, level them to 10 for remodel. After that start eating other ships for better power and defense.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-16, 21:09
FIVE carriers?!? Have enough trouble leveling 2 (plus one Seaplane tender with Chiyoda)... Also wouldn't that just eat through your Bauxite like Akagi at a buffet?

Azuma Denton
2013-10-16, 21:20
CA is heavy cruiser... :heh:

Here is the abbreviation of each ship class:
DD: Destroyer
CL: Light Cruiser
CL(t): Torpedo Cruiser
CA: Heavy Cruiser
BB: Battleship
AV: Seaplane Carrier
CVL: Light Aircraft Carrier
CV: Aircraft Carrier
SS: Submarine

Myssa Rei
2013-10-16, 21:28
Whoops, I keep on mixing that up. But a team heavy cruisers? I remember 1-4 having a Battleship as part of its boss node lineup, and that can shred heavy cruisers on a bad roll.

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-16, 23:29
FIVE carriers?!? Have enough trouble leveling 2 (plus one Seaplane tender with Chiyoda)... Also wouldn't that just eat through your Bauxite like Akagi at a buffet?

If you have air superiority team (putting a bunch of green planes) then they will hardly be shot down than blue one, thus less repairing cost. Also with air superiority, you can put less blue planes and still manage to deal significant amount of damage.

Azuma Denton
2013-10-16, 23:36
Some general tips:
- Finish every daily quest available (defeat 1 & 10 fleet, finish 1 map, pvp 3x, expedition 3x and 10x, repair 3x, resupply 15x and any other daily quest you can get). They can fetch you minimal 1000 resource.
- Make your fleet sparkling first before going to sortie by heading to PVP first. Sparkle fleet means better accuracy, luck and evasion.
- PVP also a better way of training your underlevel ship without fear of being sunk.
- Before eating other ship, make sure to get their good equipment off first.
- Put the blue planes on the longest aircraft lane in carrier.
- Use red weapon on 3 slot BB. Other slot can be allocated to anti air weapon, radar, or recon plane.

Rias
2013-10-17, 00:24
Is Isuzu kai-ni worth it? Or just used for parts is best?

Myssa Rei
2013-10-17, 00:26
Is Isuzu kai-ni worth it? Or just used for parts is best?

I say keep one, then just use the other level 12 Isuzus for their delicious Radar and +4 to AA for moderninzation. :P

risingstar3110
2013-10-17, 05:36
I don't know why so few Japanese game was published in English. I means wouldn't it be cheaper to translate and publish a good game, instead of develop a whole new one? Same server cost, but less effort.

Went so far to set up a fake network , signed up an account and everything. But ended up got the language barriers and the lottery defeated my effort. Don't think there will be a global version anytime soon as well.

Felt the same bitterness that i got back in high school, when all good mmorpg game is restricted to NA

Klashikari
2013-10-17, 06:27
Is Isuzu kai-ni worth it? Or just used for parts is best?Isuzu Kai 2 has the best anti submarine stats in the game. I would definitely keep her if you managed to reach that far with her (mine is lvl45, and she can put up a fight to anything that isn't a BB).

I don't know why so few Japanese game was published in English. I means wouldn't it be cheaper to translate and publish a good game, instead of develop a whole new one? Same server cost, but less effort.
That is not really feasible:
1) Translation, no matter how negligible it can be, still cost you a moderate amount of cash, and that's for a niche game. Suffice to say, there is no guarantee there would be enough foreigners appealed by that kind of game (social games in general aren't the norm in the west) AND expecting them to pay a bit for it (not like Kancolle isn't already too generous to begin with... oh wait).

2) the servers are already overloaded as of now. They only expected 2000ish players around april/may and they are already in the 6 digits. Allowing foreigners to get in will transform the situation into a severe chokepoint.
A lot of potential japanese admirals are already annoyed that lottery slots are taken by gaijin, to the point DMM had to make a specific statetement about VPN users.



As for my own experience with 2-4, spent 2 days in there with a 30-40ish fleet. I used 2BB, 2Torpedo and 2CV and it somehow worked, although crits are just the bane as usual.
That said, I think I will just curse my persistence into trying to remodel Hibiki into bep...

risingstar3110
2013-10-17, 06:36
That is not really feasible:
1) Translation, no matter how negligible it can be, still cost you a moderate amount of cash, and that's for a niche game. Suffice to say, there is no guarantee there would be enough foreigners appealed by that kind of game (social games in general aren't the norm in the west) AND expecting them to pay a bit for it (not like Kancolle isn't already too generous to begin with... oh wait).

2) the servers are already overloaded as of now. They only expected 2000ish players around april/may and they are already in the 6 digits. Allowing foreigners to get in will transform the situation into a chokepoint.
A lot of potential japanese admirals are already annoyed that lottery slots are taken by gaijin, to the point DMM had to make a specific statetement about VPN users.
But it still better than developing yourself a whole new social game as it will still carry the same risk?

I am not sure about the "social games in general aren't the norm in the west" part as if you also played Western social game, you know there are always a top 10% (called "whales") in every game, and who could pay several hundred to a thousand each month. Especially if the game has large population and be competitive.


I don't want mention the name as i don't want to advertise it, but a social game i played before (and quit) and paid roughly $20 a month and played day and night (even waked up in middle of the night), but could not even break in top 5000. Considering how the top 1000 or so whales paid much more than me, my guess is it can bring a revenue as high as a server of 15,000 players for FF14..... and with much less developing or server cost. And for record, my friend who worked in developing those social game said the cost to release an expensive one could reach $2-3 million (including advertisement), while Final Fantasy series (not sure about the mmorpg one) costs anywhere from 50-100 millions.

Klashikari
2013-10-17, 06:41
I don't see why you bring the matter they will make a whole new social game despite there isn't anything about that. The vita version is, for all we know, just a port for the vita or a spin off and it is very unlikely it will have an international release either.

The risk stands as the local market is much more profitable than relying on foreigners who aren't investing as much (I really doubt the likes of Imas cinderella girl would make as much profit as in Japan for example) so having foreigners taking slots away from their targeted customers is not a good business decision at all.

The very fact there are hardcore gamers in the west doesn't change the point it will not bring as much profit as the intended audience. Furthermore, it also adds additional issues regarding payment with foreign credit cards, which is always more detrimental due to how japanese banks work.
It is basically a risky advent for no apparent and certain gain at the end of the tunnel. Not worth it at all.

Azuma Denton
2013-10-17, 08:25
Well, sometimes it's also down to luck in completing 2-4.
That random compass way sometimes really makes me pissed off especially if she sent me into the north abyss of 2-4... :heh:


Regarding the localization. The game itself not really on level of international popular. Maybe in the future after the Vita game, merchandise and anime comes out. Kancolle are still appealing to anime fans only, not on general gaming fans.

And the second one, this game is released as a part of DMM website. DMM have an adult section which may not sits well with some other country regarding their pornography section.

Basically it is still a risky move by Kadokawa to bet on Kancolle, though their bet seems pay off. :heh:

Now back to grinding Mutsu...

Myssa Rei
2013-10-17, 08:44
I tried crafting a Battleship, as well as two carriers. Lucked out, and got Fusou for my Battleship construction, since I needed her anyway for the Fusou+Yamashirou quest, and got Akagi for the Carrier construct... Then I finished the "Destroy Carrier" quest and got another Akagi anyway. OTL

This makes it 3 Standard Carriers, 1 Light Carrier, and 1 Seaplane Tender now though, and the carriers are deal a whole lot of damage, so I guess I'm fine with that. And since I have a stockpile of Bauxite, I don't have to worry about the Akagis eating me out of house and home anytime soon!

Then I get Naka for the other Carrier construction. BUT ITS OKAY, as I needed Naka anyway for the Sendai sisters quest (need that third fleet unlock damnit).

risingstar3110
2013-10-17, 08:53
I don't see why you bring the matter they will make a whole new social game despite there isn't anything about that. The vita version is, for all we know, just a port for the vita or a spin off and it is very unlikely it will have an international release either.

The risk stands as the local market is much more profitable than relying on foreigners who aren't investing as much (I really doubt the likes of Imas cinderella girl would make as much profit as in Japan for example) so having foreigners taking slots away from their targeted customers is not a good business decision at all.

The very fact there are hardcore gamers in the west doesn't change the point it will not bring as much profit as the intended audience. Furthermore, it also adds additional issues regarding payment with foreign credit cards, which is always more detrimental due to how japanese banks work.
It is basically a risky advent for no apparent and certain gain at the end of the tunnel. Not worth it at all.
Actually i means on the opposite. International company/corporation buy the right to release the game oversea/ on international market. Translate it. Make profit from it, and give the Japanese developers a certain royal bonus.

That's why i mentioned about why Westerner developers have to make a whole new game, when the cost likely will be much more than the royal bonus and the cost to translate the work. On the Japanese partner, they faces no risk at all (unless their fan base somehow started to move to international version, which i doubt it), likely to make their name on global market, and could make a nice profit on top of whatever they get. Company like Mobage did it, but only on their own game, rather than Japanese exclusive games like Kantai Collection. So it's a real pity

Slightly off-topic, but just another rant on another game that I (likely) to miss out again :heh:

Rias
2013-10-17, 10:04
Well, sometimes it's also down to luck in completing 2-4.
That random compass way sometimes really makes me pissed off especially if she sent me into the north abyss of 2-4... :heh:


Regarding the localization. The game itself not really on level of international popular. Maybe in the future after the Vita game, merchandise and anime comes out. Kancolle are still appealing to anime fans only, not on general gaming fans.

And the second one, this game is released as a part of DMM website. DMM have an adult section which may not sits well with some other country regarding their pornography section.

Basically it is still a risky move by Kadokawa to bet on Kancolle, though their bet seems pay off. :heh:

Now back to grinding Mutsu...

Suprisingly, Kadokawa don't make much money from Kancolle's in game transactions. There was news about that earlier about how they make very little money after paying DMM for their server and hosting fees.

Goods sales on the other hand, should make a fortune for them.


Back on topic - I've finally unlocked that 3rd fleet. What else is good besides the 5 DD 1 CL formation?

Azuma Denton
2013-10-17, 10:15
^
Wait till the figure and merchandise gushing out like tap water unlocked... :heh:



For expedition?
Meet the minimum requirement for the quest.
I personally recommend quest #3 and #5 as they fetch you the most optimum resource in hourly rate.
For bucket, i recommend #2 and #4.
Just need 1 CL (preferable Isuzu / KTKM-sama / Ooi / Tenryuu) and 3 DD (preferable Shimakaze / Yukikaze / Hibiki / Yuudachi / 6th fleet destroyer)
Dont bother with other DD or CL unless they are your own favourite.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-17, 10:30
Expedition 3 seems to be the most profitable exp-wise per hour (90 exp in an hour!), but depending on the ships you use the cost might outrun the gain. I'm barely breaking even using Tatsuta for example, so I'm thinking of using Tenryuu again instead.

Klashikari
2013-10-17, 10:38
^ Don't use any CL for the third expedition. Just stick with 3 DD and it will be fine for the fuel consomption, as long it isn't Shimakaze, since any other DD share the same low fuel requirement.

You also have to factor periods where you aren't present every 20-30 minutes. For such instance, it is best to send your exploration fleets to 9-11-12.

Azuma Denton
2013-10-17, 10:42
Expedition #3 is mainly geared toward steel.
Here you can see the hourly rate of each expedition.
http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Expedition


Got lost again in 2-4.
Compass girl, why do you mean to me?? Just direct me to boss with shortest route please... :(

Myssa Rei
2013-10-17, 10:43
I don't have the third Fleet slot unlocked yet, so the 2nd fleet is pulling double-duty as both the Expedition go-tos and a quick way to build up experience for my ships without throwing them into 1-2 or 1-3. Kind of works, but with a CL involved the fuel consumption spikes a bit.

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-17, 10:43
Suprisingly, Kadokawa don't make much money from Kancolle's in game transactions. There was news about that earlier about how they make very little money after paying DMM for their server and hosting fees.

Goods sales on the other hand, should make a fortune for them.

Back on topic - I've finally unlocked that 3rd fleet. What else is good besides the 5 DD 1 CL formation?

Betcha all the money comes from the merchandise instead. I must say the game is pretty loose in term of money grabbing, since the only thing I bought are 2 docks for bath expanding for my girls, and I am doing fine.

Regarding expedition, I think this chart will be helpful. I think you can figure it out, but in case it's not clear, the left column are resource gain for each expedition, and the right column are hourly resource gain, in case you want to farm. Just meet the minimum requirement for expedition.

http://i.imgur.com/l9kKCNf.jpg

Klashikari
2013-10-17, 10:48
I don't have the third Fleet slot unlocked yet, so the 2nd fleet is pulling double-duty as both the Expedition go-tos and a quick way to build up experience for my ships without throwing them into 1-2 or 1-3. Kind of works, but with a CL involved the fuel consumption spikes a bit.
To be really honest, I never used expeditions as exp booster, because really, the gain is too meager for that (and it is just unpractical for anything that isn't a destroyer).

Just put ships you want to grind as your flagship during the pvp session. You can also grind them this way with 2-1 and 2-2 without any risk, unless your main fleet is already struggling there.
For example, I didn't mind bringing fresh Shimakaze or Hiei as a flagship in 2-2 and they could get a hefty amount of exp, even without MVP. That's better than just 90 exp per hour which is barely worth a 1-x map.

Betcha all the money comes from the merchandise instead. I must say the game is pretty loose in term of money grabbing, since the only thing I bought are 2 docks for bath expanding for my girls, and I am doing fine.
If anything, Kancolle is too generous in such aspect: the only "essential" stuff you have to spend on are the 2 extra repair docks. That aside, there is nothing worth buying (hell, even instant build and instant repair are grindable without much a hassle).
Not surprising they already have GSC and Max factory for the figures, even though the game is live for a little more than 6 months.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-17, 10:54
Just put ships you want to grind as your flagship during the pvp session. You can also grind them this way with 2-1 and 2-2 without any risk, unless your main fleet is already struggling there.

They are. A single node in 2-1 will literally reduce my main fleet to yellow and red, and that's WITH Akagi and Yamashirou, my heaviest hitters right now. It's simply not sustainable.

Klashikari
2013-10-17, 10:55
They are. A single node in 2-1 will literally reduce my main fleet to yellow and red, and that's WITH Akagi and Yamashirou, my heaviest hitters right now.
What's the level of your ships and their equipment? As far as it goes, I wouldn't try grinding them if your average ship lvl isn't at least lvl20. Lvl15 is borderline, and you are open to crit festival, especially Akagi.
Assuming you are still higher than lvl20, it is likely the usual "curse" with Akagi and Fusou sisters, considering they have the knack of being crit magnets.

At this point of the game, grinding one of the chitose sisters for the mini sub would help a lot, if you have either Kitakami or Ooi.

Azuma Denton
2013-10-17, 10:55
I don't have the third Fleet slot unlocked yet, so the 2nd fleet is pulling double-duty as both the Expedition go-tos and a quick way to build up experience for my ships without throwing them into 1-2 or 1-3. Kind of works, but with a CL involved the fuel consumption spikes a bit.
Only use expedition for grinding your DD...
If you want to grind other type of ship get them to 2-1 or 2-2 with main fleet.
DD will be shining of world 3 where they are many submarine laying around.

They are. A single node in 2-1 will literally reduce my main fleet to yellow and red, and that's WITH Akagi and Yamashirou, my heaviest hitters right now. It's simply not sustainable.
Bring only your decent CA or CL for grinding another ship as the repair time wont hurt your progress.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-17, 11:08
I don't have a ship above level 15 at this point, just a whole lot of level 10s and 6s, so yes, World 2 can and WILL kick my fleets arse. Heck, World 1-4 still regularly does it too, and I've actually lost my first Yubari to that place.

Azuma Denton
2013-10-17, 11:18
Never mind about the lost.
It will serve as a reminder to take care of your kanmusu. :)
On another note. There is a guy on another forum who just got Kongou and then she sinked in her first sortie.


Anyway...
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Klashikari
2013-10-17, 11:40
I don't have a ship above level 15 at this point, just a whole lot of level 10s and 6s, so yes, World 2 can and WILL kick my fleets arse. Heck, World 1-4 still regularly does it too, and I've actually lost my first Yubari to that place.
That's way too underleveled, indeed.
You really better start forming a CL and CA fleet, preferably Isuzu, Kitakami Ooi for the former, and Atago/Takao and Maya for the later.
Most destroyers at this point of the game aren't exactly interesting, although grinding Hibiki and Yudachi will be a good investment in the long term.

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-17, 11:55
If anything, Kancolle is too generous in such aspect: the only "essential" stuff you have to spend on are the 2 extra repair docks. That aside, there is nothing worth buying (hell, even instant build and instant repair are grindable without much a hassle).
Not surprising they already have GSC and Max factory for the figures, even though the game is live for a little more than 6 months.

There are some room decorations that I can't buy because I need some "labor"/whatever it is that cost 300 golds each, so I think most of purchasing will be from that. I was aiming for a 9000 silver tea set and just realize I can't buy it with silver alone after saving up :heh:.

Rias
2013-10-17, 12:39
I'm always having trouble with metal... the repair + ship building cost already takes a chunk out, then there's the occasional remodel event...

Even doing all the easy daily quests, I find myself easily spending all the metal resource. Maybe I have to stop sending out the expensive battleships and carriers...

Myssa Rei
2013-10-17, 13:04
Short-term goals right now is to get Chiyoda and Isuzu to 12 for remodeling, then get the rest of the fleet to level 10. After that, well, try and find Sendai so I can unlock the 3rd fleet already.

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-17, 19:46
Short-term goals right now is to get Chiyoda and Isuzu to 12 for remodeling, then get the rest of the fleet to level 10. After that, well, try and find Sendai so I can unlock the 3rd fleet already.

Try to get Chiyoda to lv 15, since after that she's becoming much better as a CVL.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-18, 10:08
I dunno, I'm actually looking at keeping Chiyoda as a sub tender instead, if only to keep costs down.

And yeah, 2-1 is kicking my fleets' arses. I think its due to the fact that the end nodes always end up having carriers that are in Diamond Formation, which makes them strong against other carrier attacks.

Klashikari
2013-10-18, 10:17
Try to get Chiyoda to lv 15, since after that she's becoming much better as a CVL.

I dunno, I'm actually looking at keeping Chiyoda as a sub tender instead, if only to keep costs down.
I would keep Chiyoda and Chitose as Sea carrier. Not only because the fuel and ammo cost are lower, but every other CL are better than these 2, so remodelling them into CL has little purpose on the long term.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-18, 10:55
That's always been the plan. Plus Type-A Midget subs for everyone!

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-18, 12:47
I found they are not that bad, and my Chiyoda is already at lv 38, aside from the repairing time, her cost for repairing/resupply is much lower than the usual CV, and she still manages to pack a punch.

Klashikari
2013-10-18, 16:36
^ losing the ability to use a torpedo hurts a lot... although Kitakami and Ooi are on heavy duty for that. Regardless of the direction chosen, they will be benched sooner or later considering the carriers available.

By the way, considering the rumors going strong recently, I suggest admirals to keep at least a Shigure, just in case. After how beefed up Yudachi became with her Kai 2 form, Shigure Kai 2 might be really interesting on the long run.

Azuma Denton
2013-10-18, 17:42
Well Chitose sister are only good until you get Kaga, Zuikaku and Shokaku. You will know their difference. :heh:


Anyway just manage to cruise pass world 2-4 using 5BB + 1CV. Finally after 20++ sortie and thousand resources spent on bath time.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-19, 08:14
Irony: I now have all 4 of the Myouko-class heavy cruisers for their quest... except without Sendai, I can't even get their quest until the 3 Sendai-class Light Cruiser quest has been completed. oTL

Also apparently DMM won't allow me to register my credit card (I wanted to buy points to get extra dock slots)... Actually it won't let me register either of my credit cards, which is strange, as far as I know Mastercards and Visas have the same formats EVERYWHERE. And yet the error message that keeps popping up? Invalid card number format. o_O

Klashikari
2013-10-19, 12:08
as far as I know Mastercards and Visas have the same formats EVERYWHERE. And yet the error message that keeps popping up? Invalid card number format. o_O
Wrong. Japan has their very own bank system, with specific Mastercard and Visa there. The only true westerner card that work there is the american express, assuming the website/shop accepts it.

That said, you can bypass this by registering your credit card on the english version of DMM website, then buy the DMM points from the JP website.

Azuma Denton
2013-10-19, 17:27
Been cruising through world 3 and world 4, and so far I am not getting the same difficulty as 2-4. :heh:
Guess it's time for leveling my lovely DD. Man, this will takes lots of time babysitting them until lvl 50++.

Hooves
2013-10-19, 20:35
Can never get the proxy connection to work (maybe because my internet is only for my computer? I can probably hook it up on a router and give it a shot then). But this is definitely getting a huge popularity boost ever since the anime was announced.

Azuma Denton
2013-10-19, 21:23
Can never get the proxy connection to work (maybe because my internet is only for my computer? I can probably hook it up on a router and give it a shot then). But this is definitely getting a huge popularity boost ever since the anime was announced.
Try this...
http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Tutorial:_Proxy_Connection


There will be a new server tomorrow morning (unknown time).

Myssa Rei
2013-10-19, 21:37
New server will still mean a fight via the lottery for player slots.

Speaking of RNG, look who I got this morning before I left for work?

http://i.imgur.com/p6Fh4bZ.jpg

Hooves
2013-10-19, 21:43
Try this...
http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Tutorial:_Proxy_Connection


There will be a new server tomorrow morning (unknown time).

Oh thank you, I was just unknowledgable on how this works exactly. Will definitely fight the mass for that lottery.

Azuma Denton
2013-10-19, 22:57
@myssa
The chance of getting accepted is getting higher by each opening of server.
Last time they open a 20k quota server and many of my friend get in with ease.
I dunno how much quota will they allocate tomorrow.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-19, 23:09
20k still doesn't sound like a lot, especially when you consider how people are getting boxed out of the 8k Lottery draws. ^^;

Anyway, does anyone have a low-level recipe for Red planes? I keep on getting greens for my item making.

EDIT: Managed to get Maya and Choukai, as well as Shouhou during construction. This leaves out Atago out of Takao's sisters. Slowly leveling Shimakaze as well.

Azuma Denton
2013-10-20, 09:43
@myssa
Congratz... :D
Low level recipe for red plane?
30/60/10/120

When 20k slot goes out, that is the only event where my friend doesnt need to sit out at lottery for 30 minutes. They got it after 10 minute.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-20, 18:24
Thanks for the recipe, I'll try it when I get development materials again. Still need Sendai though to maximize resource gathering, so I'm grinding the spots that have Light Cruiser drops that won't kick the arses of my girls (which means worlds 1-2 and 1-3). :(

Azuma Denton
2013-10-20, 19:46
There will be a maintenance schedule for this wednesday.
And a teaser has been revealed about a silver-hair kanmusu.
Many speculate that it will be Musashi, 2nd ship of Yamato-class battleship. :)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1396074_670893139611409_1764717557_n.jpg

Myssa Rei
2013-10-20, 20:01
Rumblings seem to be that it is indeed Musashi, but it's kind of moot as it's likely that she's a world 5 Drop, like the new Light Cruisers. This means she's out of reach for starter Admirals.

Azuma Denton
2013-10-21, 03:48
Maintenance 10/23 (Wed)
A ship will get it's 2nd remodel
3 ships will have additional voices

Maintenance 11/1 (Fri)
There will be an event.
A new ship will be added.

2nd remodel? Rumour that it will be Shigure Kai-Ni
Event and new ship? Musashi... :D

Rias
2013-10-21, 10:22
They are also opening up Yamato for construction... I just hope it's not 999/999/999/999

Klashikari
2013-10-21, 10:59
If she share a ridiculous drop rate like Nagato, I think I would rather have a 999/999/999/999 recipe than 5-6 digits ressources wasted after many failures...

Rias
2013-10-21, 15:04
I wonder what the rate for Nagato is. I have gotten 2 Mutsu so far, but still havn't gotten any Nagato. Different drop rate for the same class?

Then again I still havn't come across Kongou - even though I must have gotten 2-3 of the ships in the same line.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-21, 18:36
I dunno, aren't Superbattleships really steep with regards to resource costs? Might not be worth it until you're around the 50s...

Finally ran out of Development materials. Good thing I got Houshou with the last one, but man, this means that outside of quests I'm going to have to really consider advancing through the rest of World 2. Ack.

Klashikari
2013-10-21, 18:46
Nagato and Mutsu are slightly more steep, but it is manageable around lvl30 already, so long you know what you are doing.
Yamato, OTOH, is a ludicrous prospect, as she is thrice more expensive in resource for both resupply and repair. I don't think Musashi will be an exception.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-21, 19:43
Any level guidelines for world 2? I know that 2-4 needs something like level 30, or level 25s with a whole heaping of RNG luck, but what are the averages for the others? Thanks to the advice in the thread, I've found that 2-1 could be used for level grinding flagships lower than 10, but still requires the escorts to be 11 and above. How about the boss node? 20?

Also that Radar from Isuzu Kai really DOES make a difference during carrier plane interception. Hmm, need more level 12 Isuzus, yes...

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-21, 22:28
Do you equip the Radar on the carrier?

Nagato and Mutsu are slightly more steep, but it is manageable around lvl30 already, so long you know what you are doing.
Yamato, OTOH, is a ludicrous prospect, as she is thrice more expensive in resource for both resupply and repair. I don't think Musashi will be an exception.

Once upon a time I got furious with 2-4, and decide to spam that map with Nagato and 2 others BBs. I then realized my ammunition storage is in worse state than my Bauxite after awhile (read: nearly zero).

However I found the one that's responsible for my lack of steel are those CV. Akagi and Kaga, for example, have a tendency to get crit whenever they can, and took out around 150 - 200 steels for each repairing attempt. I already modernize them to highest armor possible but seems like it doesn't help.

Rias
2013-10-22, 00:04
I think the only thing about 2-1/2-2 are the carriers. If you equip your ships with anti-air guns, it usually isn't too bad to pass. 2-3 should be ok mid-way if you can pass 2-2, but then the end boss have higher grades (flagship class) of CV and BB

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-22, 00:30
I think the only thing about 2-1/2-2 are the carriers. If you equip your ships with anti-air guns, it usually isn't too bad to pass. 2-3 should be ok mid-way if you can pass 2-2, but then the end boss have higher grades (flagship class) of CV and BB

I hardly see carrier in 2-2, though. Most of the time the enemy team consists of heavy cruiser as you can see here (http://wikiwiki.jp/kancolle/?%C6%EE%C0%BE%BD%F4%C5%E7%B3%A4%B0%E8), which hurt a lot.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-22, 01:56
Do Heavy Cruisers have proper counters though? I was under the impression they're the "do-everything" ship of the game.

Rias
2013-10-22, 02:29
I hardly see carrier in 2-2, though. Most of the time the enemy team consists of heavy cruiser as you can see here (http://wikiwiki.jp/kancolle/?%C6%EE%C0%BE%BD%F4%C5%E7%B3%A4%B0%E8), which hurt a lot.

There are carrier/light carriers all past the 1st node.


Finally managed to pass 2-4. Fuel and steel was definitely running low on the past few days of attempts - the random roulette was not on my side and pointed me to go in weird directions. Used 3 battleships, 1 aircraft carrier and 2 heavy cruiser to get through. Was considering leveling up a 4th battleship for the mission, but good thing I got through before them eating up more resources :heh:

Klashikari
2013-10-22, 02:36
Do Heavy Cruisers have proper counters though? I was under the impression they're the "do-everything" ship of the game.
They do everything but they aren't proficient at anything either. They can fill a spot if you don't know what to put, but for specific purposes, they are just meh.
You can always grind 2 just in case for later maps (generally, train Maya considering she has a very good AA stats).

Myssa Rei
2013-10-22, 03:59
Oh hey, lucked out again and got Chitose. Seaplane tender sisters are a go!

Too bad I haven't gotten any luck with Battleships though. Kept on getting Heavy Cruisers, and even then they're ones I already have. Kind of bummed out too when I noticed one construction time was for a Takao-class... only for it to turn into another Maya. :(

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-22, 04:02
There are carrier/light carriers all past the 1st node.


We're talking about 2-2, right? I'm pretty sure aside from boss node there is no other node has any form of carrier, and even with the boss node there are only 1/3 chance to have carrier.

Btw, which is efficient map for farming transport/supply ships? I have never been able to complete the weekly "kill 50 transport ships" mission because the compass just feel like not going any other node aside from the boss in both 2-2 and 2-3. Does it completely depend on luck?

Rias
2013-10-22, 09:24
We're talking about 2-2, right? I'm pretty sure aside from boss node there is no other node has any form of carrier, and even with the boss node there are only 1/3 chance to have carrier.

Btw, which is efficient map for farming transport/supply ships? I have never been able to complete the weekly "kill 50 transport ships" mission because the compass just feel like not going any other node aside from the boss in both 2-2 and 2-3. Does it completely depend on luck?

You're right, I was looking at the 2-1 map instead.

2-2/2-3 has the transports and seems the easiest... 3-2 also has it, but it's with the boss.

Azuma Denton
2013-10-22, 14:55
Oh hey, lucked out again and got Chitose. Seaplane tender sisters are a go!

Too bad I haven't gotten any luck with Battleships though. Kept on getting Heavy Cruisers, and even then they're ones I already have. Kind of bummed out too when I noticed one construction time was for a Takao-class... only for it to turn into another Maya. :(
If you get it pass 2-2, BB will be abundant... :)

Still looking for Haruna and another carrier.
Will try to construct another BB and CV as they say RNGoddess smile brighter after maintenance. :heh:

Myssa Rei
2013-10-22, 19:11
Providing I even unlock 2-2 that is. The compass girls seem to love diverting me from the Boss node when I have my heaviest hitters, and THEN only direct me there when I'm grinding something (which just ends up with many of my girls taking long dips in the bath.

So until then, it's construction again and again until I get more battleships that aren't Fusou or Yamashirou again.

Azuma Denton
2013-10-23, 02:10
Latest update...

本日のメンテにともなうアップデート内容詳細をお知らせします。

01▼駆逐艦娘1隻のさらなる改装が可能に!
→駆逐艦娘1隻が、高い練度(レベル)において、さらなる改装(改造)が可能になりました…同「改二」駆逐 艦は各「時報」ボイス付です!

02▼給糧艦「間宮」確認画面の追加
→給糧艦「間宮」使用時の確認UIが追加実装されました!

03▼長期型「任務」進行度補足表示
→デイリー&ウィークリーの複数回条件のある「任務」において、その進行度によって「50%以上達成」「8 0%以上達成」表示が追加です!

04▼「ちとちよ」姉妹に追加ボイス実装 (Chitose & Chiyoda)
→「千歳」「千代田」の(改)型に「補給」「放置」ボイスが追加されました。さらに同姉妹のそれ以上の改装 後(甲・航・航改・航改二)には「時報」ボイスも追加実装されました!

05▼既存駆逐艦娘3隻に追加ボイス実装
→駆逐艦「朝潮」「大潮」「満潮」に、「補給」「放置」ボイスを追加実装しました。

06▼艦娘グラフィックの一部修正/最適化
→一部の艦娘グラの背景透過処理を最適化して修正再実装しました。

07▼改装(近代化改修)の「max」表示の追加
→改装(近代化改修)において各パラメータが既に最大値に達している場合、改装値のフレームに「max」表 示UIを追加しました。他、地味に細かいUI表示等を一部修正/最適化しました。

08▼家具の一部更新 (Furniture)
→家具が一部追加/更新されました!
・(壁) 壁貼りポスターの更新(※再配信)
・(床) 真っ白なフワフワ絨毯の追加(new! ※特注家具職人不要/CRAFTMAN)
・(床) 飛行甲板(new! ※要:特注家具職人/CRAFTMAN)

Rias
2013-10-23, 11:07
And the new upgrade is as rumored, Shigure-Kai ni

Myssa Rei
2013-10-23, 18:22
Unfortunately, it seems like Yuubari, Shigure requires level 50 for her third upgrade. Ack. That said, one of the quests require you to take Shigure anyway so...

Also RNG is definitely out to get me. I got two, you got it, TWO Mogami, while I was trying for battleships. And also still no Sendai. :(

Azuma Denton
2013-10-23, 19:36
^
Once it happens to me... :heh:
For Sendai, you can try your luck on light cruiser/shimakaze recipe. I get 2-3x sendai from that recipe.

Klashikari
2013-10-23, 19:42
Unfortunately, it seems like Yuubari, Shigure requires level 50 for her third upgrade. Ack. That said, one of the quests require you to take Shigure anyway so...
Actually, Shigure must be lvl60 to be remodeled a second time.

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-23, 20:10
Unfortunately, it seems like Yuubari, Shigure requires level 50 for her third upgrade. Ack. That said, one of the quests require you to take Shigure anyway so...

Also RNG is definitely out to get me. I got two, you got it, TWO Mogami, while I was trying for battleships. And also still no Sendai. :(

This game's desire sensor works pretty well, I must say. All I want is Hiryu, and look at this

http://i.imgur.com/w8nkRsh.png

Myssa Rei
2013-10-24, 21:24
Hilariously, I managed to unlock both 2-2 and 2-3 in one go, while I was grinding Chitose for her second customization (where she gets the Type-As). RNG was smiling, as I didn't get damaged until I hit the boss node of 2-3.

Oh, and isn't 2-3 where you start getting Transport spawns?

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-24, 21:38
It's 2-2. As long as you're not heading to the boss node, there are guarantee at least 2 or 3 transport ships.

Firefly00
2013-10-24, 23:48
And this is reminding me so much of Koei's Naval Ops/Warship Gunner games; I'm tempted to haul the PS2 out of storage and put some more stick time in on WG2...

Myssa Rei
2013-10-25, 01:20
Duo: Yeah, but I've found that you have to luck out on a north compass heading, and even then pray REAL HARD that the transport escort isn't a battleship. Oh, and I did finish the quest, but that was because the spawn I got was two torpedo cruisers and 4 transports, so I cleared it in one go.

Still need Sendai. RNG, why are you so cruel?

Azuma Denton
2013-10-26, 08:23
Got Haruna finally...
Now I am confused what should I do with my 4th fleet... :heh:

Myssa Rei
2013-10-26, 08:34
Ooi GET! Well, I was hoping for Sendai, but hey, completing sister-ship sets is fine too!

Still hope to get Sendai though...

Speaking of which, anyone know when the Musashi thing will begin? From what I heard about the Yamato event, only level 50 admirals with a ludicrous amount of resources and buckets were able to succeed, and it's VERY likely Musashi will be similar.

Azuma Denton
2013-10-26, 09:30
^
Still no update...
I hope it is not during the week I am off from Internet... :)

Currently on lvl 41...
9 level to chase...

Tim yy
2013-10-27, 00:20
Wait a minute............why the heck i'm I here..........
might as well post whatever i posted over there....until someone told me to post it here....

control-copy: I have no idea what is Kantai Collection other than being busty (otherwise) flat girls pretends to be ships. Some people see it as a unique way to learn the names of ships.

here is a video on the Yamato-kai? fight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvIRZT_sLPQ
Masashi is not in the game yet apparently

Myssa Rei
2013-10-27, 00:25
Masashi is not in the game yet apparently

We're kind of expecting an event, as a teaser image of a meganekko-Musashi has been posted on the official Twitter.

Thing is, if it's ANYTHING like the Yamato event from a month or so ago, only the highest-leveled admirals have a chance of getting her (ten-star difficulty on the FIRST STAGE of the event), as one account had a single guy play SEVEN HOURS STRAIGHT and burn through 500+ buckets to get her in one sitting.

Tim yy
2013-10-27, 00:29
We're kind of expecting an event, as a teaser image of a meganekko-Musashi has been posted on the official Twitter.

Thing is, if it's ANYTHING like the Yamato event from a month or so ago, only the highest-leveled admirals have a chance of getting her, as one account had a single guy play SEVEN HOURS STRAIGHT and burn through 500+ buckets to get her in one sitting.

She's worth the salt right?

I mean what other ships can be more powerful than the great Yamato?

I don't know a thing about how the game works or whatever is this "event", but if they released Yamato, there will be little doubt they will release Musashi, and then Shinano

Myssa Rei
2013-10-27, 00:39
She's worth the salt right?

You can go to the first page to see the basics.

By base stats alone, Yamato is likely the most powerful warship at level 1 you can ever get. The problem? She also has three times the resources required to maintain, even MORE than Nagato or Mutsu, and what's more, her repair times take also almost twice as long as Nagato.

That said, she's voiced by Taketatsu Ayana so...

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-27, 00:42
Thing is, if it's ANYTHING like the Yamato event from a month or so ago, only the highest-leveled admirals have a chance of getting her (ten-star difficulty on the FIRST STAGE of the event), as one account had a single guy play SEVEN HOURS STRAIGHT and burn through 500+ buckets to get her in one sitting.

Count me out. I roughly have about 5k spared resoures, and about 170 buckets, with the highest level ship is Nagato at level 50. There is no way I could even dream of clearing that kind of event.

Azuma Denton
2013-10-27, 07:01
This friday begins the special maintenance...
There will be 5 new ships introduced...

秋の特別イベント:期間限定海域【決戦!鉄底海峡を抜けて!】
現在、鋭意実装作業中です。新艦娘【5隻】実装等と共に、現時点では【11/1(金)メンテ明け】より開催させて頂く予定です。止むを得ず開催が遅れる場合は事前にお知らせしますが、 なるべくオンタイムの開催に努めます。

Welcome Musashi... :heh:


And here is what a senior admiral invest when he goes through Yamato event...
E2 資材消費各3000程度 バケツ30

E3 燃料 8000 鋼鉄 8000
弾薬 6000 ボーキ 3000 バケツ 80

E4 燃料17000 鋼材14000
弾薬13000 ボーキ 8000 バケツ160

Well, looks like I'm not qualified yet...

Myssa Rei
2013-10-27, 08:26
And here is what a senior admiral invest when he goes through Yamato event...

E2 資材消費各3000程度 バケツ30

E3 燃料 8000 鋼鉄 8000
弾薬 6000 ボーキ 3000 バケツ 80

E4 燃料17000 鋼材14000
弾薬13000 ボーキ 8000 バケツ160

Well, looks like I'm not qualified yet...

That Fuel, Ammo, and Steel requirement. o_O

Azuma Denton
2013-10-27, 08:38
E1 is ranked 10 star...
Guess, I wont be able to catch up to level 70++ in 4 days...

Myssa Rei
2013-10-27, 18:04
Still no Sendai, but hilariously I got Ooi twice now. Ugh, definitely the "hey you need it, I won't give it to you; when you don't need it, I'll give you extras!" habit of RNG.

Gotten Zuihou, so my light carrier forces are increasing. Still wish I could get Fast Battleship results on construction, as I'm forced to really work Yamashiro and Fuso for worlds 2-2 and onward. :(

Klashikari
2013-10-27, 19:10
Finally my efforts paid off after a month:
http://i.imgur.com/i7F2W1Dl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/i7F2W1D.jpg)

With her and Isuzu Kai 2 + Shimakaze/Yukikaze, I will have enough anti subs specialist for the event, assuming there are treacherous maps with subs, which is highly possible.

That said, not having a Nagato class BB will seriously impair the possibility to break through flagship BB... and to think I finally got a AP shell...OTZ

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-27, 19:42
I still can't beat 3-2. Which average level should all of my DDs get before going there? My best DD currently is Shimakaze, and that's it.

Guess I'll need to grind up Yudachi and Hibiki.

Klashikari
2013-10-27, 19:54
I still can't beat 3-2. Which average level should all of my DDs get before going there? My best DD currently is Shimakaze, and that's it.

Guess I'll need to grind up Yudachi and Hibiki.
My 3-2 Fleet looked like this:
http://i.imgur.com/FBIoBiCl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/FBIoBiC.jpg)

Having Shimakaze and Yukikaze help considering their stats. Yudachi is only good with Kai 2 so waiting for lvl 55 is a chore. It is worse for Shigure as it is lvl60 AND her best stats is actually AA, which you really don't need. Meanwhile, Bep takes an even longer time to grind, so unless you started for a while, focusing on Hibiki for her bep form is a bit overkill.

Generally, you need at least Shimakaze or Yukikaze (preferably both) around lvl 30-40, with "bait" DD around lvl20 (preferably Kagerou class). You can also use the damage control tactics albeit it is overkill imho.

The strategy:
-Give up the moment you get on the south node. Because of the node before the boss fight, you can't afford a needless fight. You have to go to the east node.

-The node before the boss will have a elite BB. Take the last formation for boosted avoidance, and pray that no one get critted. You cannot defeat that node unless you have a incredible crit festival. So just put all your chances to just fail that node, but keeping everyone in green for the boss node.

-You have to go full force on the boss node, and that's very likely you will have to go in the night battle. For your instance, the shape of my fleet before night battle was like this (http://i.imgur.com/XKrxjr9.jpg). I did resort to gamble, hoping the enemy flagship would be critted.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-27, 20:05
The level for 3-2 seems to be anywhere from 35 to 70 in one case. Even then you still need a generous helping of luck. ^^;

NOT looking forward to it when I get to that stage. Still have to get past 2-4 though ahaha. It's why I'm focusing on a few select destroyers even this early (Shimakaze, Hibiki, Shigure, Yuudachi).

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-27, 20:34
Damn, needing both Shimakaza and Yukikaze? I was crafting for almost a week to get Shimakaze. Thank for the tips. Do you get Turbine for everyone?

Myssa Rei
2013-10-27, 20:39
Actually 3-2 just needs any destroyer. If you don't have Yukikaze it's fine. Shimakaze seems to be a preference due to, well, her rarity. XD

Klashikari
2013-10-27, 20:39
Damn, needing both Shimakaza and Yukikaze? I was crafting for almost a week to get Shimakaze. Thank for the tips. Do you get Turbine for everyone?
You don't need both, but at least one of them for a decent chance to get through.
Turbine sure help, and having additional fire power equipment won't really help you since you deal most damage with torpedo phase and night battles, which already have good damage modifier right from the get go.

Generally speaking, my important DD had the 10cm AA main gun, a quad oxygen torpedo, and a turbine.
Don't put Shimakaze or Yukikaze as the flagship considering they are the DD that are the most likely to dodge, unless you really don't want any risk for one of them.

Also I revise one statement: Yuudachi has a very good torpedo stats, but since she still require you to grind her to lvl55, it is really a tad too much.
Actually 3-2 just needs any destroyer. If you don't have Yukikaze it's fine. Shimakaze seems to be a preference due to, well, her rarity. XD
You definitely can do that without any of them, but you have much greater chance with any of the two because of their stats that are just that much better than the rest of the DD. Even Bep isn't really on par with these 2.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-27, 21:10
Random thought here, the fandom seems to take Ise's comment (in the 4koma) at face value about the Abyssal Fleet being the grudges of lost ships given form. This is interpreted of course as them being the sunk ships of careless (player) admirals, but if that's the case, why is it that they're using the English way of measuring their gun calibers?

Sounds suspicious, especially after recently watching documentaries of the Battle of Leyte Gulf. Why? Well, because the English mode of measurement was used by US ships (it's especially noticeable -- see Discovery's Battlefield, where every gun used by US ships are mentioned in inches, even the BOFORS used by the carriers, whereas the guns of the Yamato and the like are referred to via Metric measurements instead).

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-27, 21:25
Isn't that actually the other way around? I believe I have heard about it before the 4koma appeared, that the alien fleet is what your ship girls will be after being sunk.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-27, 21:38
Isn't that actually the other way around? I believe I have heard about it before the 4koma appeared, that the alien fleet is what your ship girls will be after being sunk.

Checking the publication dates, no, the 4koma's comment on the grudge of lost ships came first.

Edit: I might be wrong though, but the earliest Pixiv pic I could find that alludes to the Abyssal Fleet = sank kanmusus is the one with Kaga and the Wo Class...

Endless Knackwurst
2013-10-27, 22:41
Incidentally, is there any specific reason for Shimakaze to be depicted as she is? I figure the blondeness is for the usual purposes of Japanese character differentiation, at least, and the striped stockings resemble the naval flag, but she's still rather unique.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-27, 22:49
Incidentally, is there any specific reason for Shimakaze to be depicted as she is? I figure the blondeness is for the usual purposes of Japanese character differentiation, at least, and the striped stockings resemble the naval flag, but she's still rather unique.

No real reason but to make her look unique. Also, Shimakaze was a singular example historically so...

Seems like the art for the cards is commissioned per artist without any collaboration with each other, which explains why the art styles can vary WILDLY even within ostensibly the same line of ships. For example, compare Mogami (http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Mogami)with Suzuya (http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Suzuya).

Endless Knackwurst
2013-10-27, 23:26
I suppose I might as well also note that Shimakaze's character design is the most blatantly fanservicey of any of the ships that I've seen... and since she showed up early, probably helped popularity quite a bit.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-27, 23:30
and since she showed up early, probably helped popularity quite a bit.

Except she doesn't. She's a rare Destroyer that you can either get via lucking out with a Construction recipe (5% chance!!), or as a (also rare) drop in one of the mid-difficulty worlds.

No, her popularity is BECAUSE of her memorable outfit.

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-27, 23:33
I suppose I might as well also note that Shimakaze's character design is the most blatantly fanservicey of any of the ships that I've seen... and since she showed up early, probably helped popularity quite a bit.

Shimakaze is the bait, and then when people got into the game, they found out their own other waifu.

Mine would be Kongou/Haruna. I'm still looking for the homely Houshou but no luck. Would love to have the Akatsuki daughters :p. They are all adorable in their own way.
There some lovely canon incest yuri, too.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-27, 23:37
I got Houshou, and definitely liking her.

Also for someone supposedly so demure (and mature in a game full of lolis), SHE'S the one who gives the "Would you want the bath first? Dinner? Or... (implication being "Me")?" line, often heard in so many romance and ecchi fantasies.

The Kongou sisters would be also nice, but only got Kirishima so far. RNG ya know.

Azuma Denton
2013-10-27, 23:57
My favourite so far would be Kaga... :heh:
Love her obssesion to Akagi and her gap moe... :heh:

Endless Knackwurst
2013-10-28, 00:06
Except she doesn't. She's a rare Destroyer that you can either get via lucking out with a Construction recipe (5% chance!!), or as a (also rare) drop in one of the mid-difficulty worlds.

No, her popularity is BECAUSE of her memorable outfit.

Not knowing much about the game, I meant that she showed up early in the fan art... suddenly there was this blonde in scandalous clothing showing up on Pixiv and the boorus, and I had little English-language information to go on. The other ships didn't get nearly as much attention early on.

As you said, it's all about the clothes. ;)

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-28, 02:14
Not knowing much about the game, I meant that she showed up early in the fan art... suddenly there was this blonde in scandalous clothing showing up on Pixiv and the boorus, and I had little English-language information to go on. The other ships didn't get nearly as much attention early on.

As you said, it's all about the clothes. ;)

She is being rare is one thing. Another thing is her dialogue. Also, I believe she's the first one that didn't mount guns on her body, and her guns have name, too.

lfhoule
2013-10-28, 02:57
Concerning Shimakaze and her outfit: historically she was a one of a kind destroyer with an experimental power plant and the heaviest torpedo battery ( 15 torps in 3 banks of 5, again, one of a kind). With the power plant, Shimakaze was able to go 40+ knots in trials, making her the fastest destroyer in the IJN, if not in the Pacific theater as a whole... which explains as well her references that she is the fastest in the 4-komas.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-28, 10:06
I tried not to laugh, but given how many MANY admirals on Twitter are sharing about their experiences on 3-2, well...

http://i.imgur.com/IF8V7XZ.png

Tim yy
2013-10-28, 11:22
By the way, how good is Takao in this game, consider she's one of the best heavy cruisers build in WW2? Is she easily obtainable? Is she a tsundere as well? lawl..

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-28, 13:48
Arpeggio's Takao > Kancolle's Takao.

That being said, she and Atago are a few CA that can reach higher than 100 fire power, aren't they? For a CA, they are quite good, but BB trumps them all if you in need of heavy hitters.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-28, 18:36
By the way, how good is Takao in this game, consider she's one of the best heavy cruisers build in WW2? Is she easily obtainable? Is she a tsundere as well? lawl..

Takao and her sisters are some of the better heavy cruisers in the game, with Maya especially having an excellent AA stat. As for easily obtainable, well, RNG...

That said, as heavy cruisers, they fill a weird niche where they can do everything, but excel in nothing, and apparently for a time were the worst class of ships before they got buffed. As Klash mentioned a few posts above, they usually get slotted into your team if you can't decide on what ship to take.

And tsundere? Ahaha, no. Takao in KanColle is very even tempered, but because of her... displacement (which causes stiff shoulders!), she's obvious rule-34 bait, though not as much as her sister Atago (pam-paka-paaaam~).

Klashikari
2013-10-28, 18:52
In term of jack of all trades, I would rather use CL instead of CA.
Problem with CA is that they are much less fuel/ammo efficient than CL, and their better artillery stats isn't enough to break through BB armor, which is supposed to be their assets against "weaker" CL.
And since CL are almost as strong as DD at night, with proper setup you can just wreck stuff with CL instead.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-28, 19:09
Oh, and incidentally I managed to break through 2-3 and unlock 2-4 on one try. RNG was once again on my side, as I only got hit ONCE during the whole affair.

Now to grind stuff to get through 2-4. Hmm. >_>

Firefly00
2013-10-28, 19:23
And now, with those musings about the alien fleet, we have not only a Claymore nod (if the term 'Abyssal' is canonical), but one to Homeworld: Cataclysm. Specifically, how the Beast (http://homeworld.wikia.com/wiki/The_Beast) musters its forces...

Achiuakuna
2013-10-28, 20:01
What do I do when it doesn't show the "reload after 5-10 minutes" page anymore, and shows every server being full instead?

Myssa Rei
2013-10-28, 20:04
What do I do when it doesn't show the "reload after 5-10 minutes" page anymore, and shows every server being full instead?

You try again in the next day's lottery, but you get a higher chance to get in as compensation.

Achiuakuna
2013-10-28, 20:06
You try again in the next day's lottery, but you get a higher chance to get in as compensation.

Thanks~ Guess I'll have to do it on a weekend. Timezone really doesn't allow me to competitively fight over it.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-28, 20:16
Thanks~ Guess I'll have to do it on a weekend. Timezone really doesn't allow me to competitively fight over it.

Don't do it this weekend (Friday), as there's the start of the Musashi event. It's going to be weird for a while as higher-leveled admirals scramble for the requirements.

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-28, 20:24
And tsundere? Ahaha, no. Takao in KanColle is very even tempered, but because of her... displacement (which causes stiff shoulders!), she's obvious rule-34 bait, though not as much as her sister Atago (pam-paka-paaaam~).

Talking about that...this is my new ringtone

QVGG6083JIg

Myssa Rei
2013-10-28, 23:51
Ya know, with the first node in 2-4 giving 300 exp, it should have been a good place to grind one's girls... Except the spawns there almost always include elites, and they WILL kick your arse if you don't have battleships and carriers. Ugh.

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-29, 00:07
Ya know, with the first node in 2-4 giving 300 exp, it should have been a good place to grind one's girls... Except the spawns there almost always include elites, and they WILL kick your arse if you don't have battleships and carriers. Ugh.

You better grind the 2-2 or 2-3, it will cost you less resource for repairing.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-29, 00:13
But 2-2's has a stupid STUPID propensity to route you directly to the boss node, while 2-3 has a bad habit of spawning whole teams of elites.

Might have to consider trying to make turbines then. ^^;

I think I have a good enough line-up to just brute-force 2-4: 4 battleships, and 2 fleet carriers. Just need the levels to try it.

Edit: Got Atago as a drop! Pam paka paaaam~!

http://i.imgur.com/FICfJfk.jpg

Still no Sendai. Damnnit. :(

Azuma Denton
2013-10-29, 05:48
Agree with duo maxwell, if you wanna grind, do it in 2-2 or 2-3.
Unless you want test your luck by advancing through 2-4...

Endless Knackwurst
2013-10-29, 09:00
Edit: Got Atago as a drop! Pam paka paaaam~!

You probably already know what this is going to be.

QVGG6083JIg

SaintessHeart
2013-10-29, 10:39
http://i.imgur.com/L2OswYh.png

http://i.imgur.com/FCxWzOC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/STNlYyx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XLTW7iD.jpg

That last one is adorable. Love how Ikazuchi was both cute and annoying.

risingstar3110
2013-10-29, 10:53
What is the chance of this game being released in English, anyone? Is there something unique about it that may allow even 1% chance of it to happen (since i don't see any other Japanese game made it)? >_<

Watched a video on youtube, and got my interest up again. I possibly can play the Japanese version fine. But my experience on DMT and Million Arthur is: a game will be much less enjoyable if I can't fully understand it. The difference of understanding even 90% of everything, and 100% of everything when playing a game is simply much bigger than I thought

SaintessHeart
2013-10-29, 10:56
What is the chance of this game being released in English, anyone? Is there something unique about it that may allow even 1% chance of it to happen (since i don't see any other Japanese game made it)? >_<

Watched a video on youtube, and got my interest up again. I possibly can play the Japanese version fine. But my experience on DMT and Million Arthur is: a game will be much less enjoyable if I can't fully understand it. The difference of understanding even 90% of everything, and 100% of everything is simply much bigger than I thought

I don't play this game, but I think you can focus on rolling for Atago and she can keep you happy. :D

Myssa Rei
2013-10-29, 11:19
LOL Using both I-168 and I-58 is hilarious at world 2-3. Got them to 20 easy, though this is helped by the fact that carrier planes can't hit them...

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-29, 11:43
What is the chance of this game being released in English, anyone? Is there something unique about it that may allow even 1% chance of it to happen (since i don't see any other Japanese game made it)? >_<

Watched a video on youtube, and got my interest up again. I possibly can play the Japanese version fine. But my experience on DMT and Million Arthur is: a game will be much less enjoyable if I can't fully understand it. The difference of understanding even 90% of everything, and 100% of everything when playing a game is simply much bigger than I thought

The popularity is your 1%. I don't see any other element for it to be released in English, honestly. The script heavy for a web game. Sometimes it crashed my browser. It isn't optimized for mobile, and are recommended against playing on mobile since it makes the server worse. It's for nerds that are familiar to or interest in warship, or cute girls in general, which its art isn't something to boast about.

To tell the truth, there are not much to understand outside of the girls' dialogue, which if you're familiar with anime, I think you could manage it somehow. The other thing like girls' relationship, girls' interactive are mostly belongs to the fandom based on the ships' history and some in-game hilarious mechanic, like Akagi's gluttony, which you could find their arts easily on danbooru, 4chan, etc.

SaintessHeart
2013-10-29, 11:50
The popularity is your 1%. I don't see any other element for it to be released in English, honestly. The script heavy for a web game. Sometimes it crashed my browser. It isn't optimized for mobile, and are recommended against playing on mobile since it makes the server worse. It's for nerds that are familiar to or interest in warship, or cute girls in general, which its art isn't something to boast about.

To tell the truth, there are not much to understand outside of the girls' dialogue, which if you're familiar with anime, I think you could manage it somehow. The other thing like girls' relationship, girls' interactive are mostly belongs to the fandom based on the ships' history and some in-game hilarious mechanic, like Akagi's gluttony, which you could find their arts easily on danbooru, 4chan, etc.

Ah yes, and the Akatsuki destroyers.

Or all the destroyers for that matter*. :naughty:

* - Assuming that you don't have stamps over your eyes.

http://i.imgur.com/DjQGSBQ.jpg

Azuma Denton
2013-10-29, 16:05
What is the chance of this game being released in English, anyone? Is there something unique about it that may allow even 1% chance of it to happen (since i don't see any other Japanese game made it)? >_<

Watched a video on youtube, and got my interest up again. I possibly can play the Japanese version fine. But my experience on DMT and Million Arthur is: a game will be much less enjoyable if I can't fully understand it. The difference of understanding even 90% of everything, and 100% of everything when playing a game is simply much bigger than I thought
I think not.
Kadokawa itself admitted that Kancolle as a game is not very profitable like any web browser / mobile game because it doesnt force you to use real money to play. The only way they can manage to put profit is based on intellectual rights.
If I wanna compare, it is similar to the touhou fandom. :heh:

So chance of the game going international? Well, your best bet is with Vita game that coming out in 2014.


@Saintess
Well, we all know that Tenryuu is the best kindergarden teacher in kancolle universe. I manage to re-model her only by guiding the kindergarden kids... :heh:

Myssa Rei
2013-10-29, 18:25
re Tenryuu: She's compared to a kindergarten teacher as, given her low maintenance (refuel and rearm) costs, as well as you can get her relatively early, means that she's often used to "babysit" the destroyers when they're sortied for Expeditions.

re Exportability: AHAHAHAHA, no. Remember, the popularity of KanColle wasn't expected by Kadokawa, and even then they're barely breaking even on it after server costs paid to DMM (because we're all pretty cheap to buy DMM points). The Vita game is your best bet.

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-29, 20:37
(because we're all pretty cheap to buy DMM points).

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1374835_10152321684564852_249432311_n.jpg

Anything for my ship daughters.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-29, 21:04
The most I shelved out for this point is extra dock slots, and that's it. :P Though I have heard there's another item that increases item and ship limits (the amount you can actually keep I mean).

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-29, 21:14
The most I shelved out for this point is extra dock slots, and that's it. :P Though I have heard there's another item that increases item and ship limits (the amount you can actually keep I mean).

Well yeah. Also, there are fairy (or so I heard how it's called) that required to buy some of the furniture. I really want that Kongou tea set, or that kotatsu.

LystAP
2013-10-29, 21:40
What is the chance of this game being released in English, anyone? Is there something unique about it that may allow even 1% chance of it to happen (since i don't see any other Japanese game made it)? >_<

Watched a video on youtube, and got my interest up again. I possibly can play the Japanese version fine. But my experience on DMT and Million Arthur is: a game will be much less enjoyable if I can't fully understand it. The difference of understanding even 90% of everything, and 100% of everything when playing a game is simply much bigger than I thought

Even if they do "localize" it, I doubt they'll use the same models considering the context (wasn't the game supposed to originally cater towards the Japanese military otaku crowd?). Maybe they'll find an American partner that would instead moeify the American fleet :heh:. It's popular enough "in Japan" to consider I think, although admittedly, the American market could differ?

Firefly00
2013-10-29, 22:21
Maybe they'll find an American partner that would instead moeify the American fleet :heh:...
Well, since you brought it up... I wonder what such a rendering of the Zumwalt-class DD would be like...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Uss_Zumwalt.jpg/640px-Uss_Zumwalt.jpg
(artist's rendering, from Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt-class_destroyer))

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-29, 22:41
Even if they do "localize" it, I doubt they'll use the same models considering the context (wasn't the game supposed to originally cater towards the Japanese military otaku crowd?). Maybe they'll find an American partner that would instead moeify the American fleet :heh:. It's popular enough "in Japan" to consider I think, although admittedly, the American market could differ?

With the closing down of Sword Girls Online, I doubt there will any other publisher willing to invest in moe card games.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-29, 22:44
Shimada Fumikane by the way (of Strike Witches, Girls und Panzer, and Sky Girls fame) has done several original designs for Russian ships as well, which I prefer to some of the other original designs that came up in Pixiv, which like the one done for the SS Albacore, are all OVER-designed, sometimes ridiculously so.

Endless Knackwurst
2013-10-29, 22:45
American market
Ah, that bit of the diagram that includes American fans of military history and moe. (Am I trying to phrase this as "Find a way to get everyone who liked Girls und Panzer into this?")

Myssa Rei
2013-10-29, 22:50
Endless: Girls und Panzer... Not really. Now say Strike Witches, and we might be going somewhere, as the asthetic of Kantai has always been Mecha Musume.

Endless Knackwurst
2013-10-29, 23:11
True about the art style.

When I compare GuP to Kancolle to SW, while stylistically Kancolle and SW are similar due to the mecha musume aspect, my interest in Kancolle comes more from the historical references aspect of it, which is one of the reasons I really liked GuP. SW had plenty of references of its own, it's just that the series and the fanart didn't usually rely on direct historical references (alternate universe and all) as much as it did the fanservice.

Or, for GuP, it was that I visited for the history and stayed for the girls, for SW I went looking for the history and got mugged by the girls, for Kancolle I'm getting baited by the girls but found a really interesting bit of furniture in the parlor.

Of course, historical details in Kancolle are often abstracted, but it seems that the fan(art)s like to include them.

One Fumikane, for those who have not seen:
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/humikane/e-wacs/tw/sda.jpg

Myssa Rei
2013-10-29, 23:21
Endless: The historical in-jokes are actually more about the lines spoken by the girls in-game rather than their designs. See Abukuma being afraid of Kitakami bullying her (the two ships collided, resulting in Abukuma losing her bow), or Kongou speaking in English (because she was constructed in a UK shipyard and designed by an Englishman).

I've found Fumikane's choice of Russian ships for KanColle fanart interesting, as I think USSR ships had MALE names instead of the name of places that the USN and IJN ships had in WW2.

Or, in the case of USN subs, fish.

Endless Knackwurst
2013-10-29, 23:49
Russian ship naming conventions. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_ship_naming_conventions)

The whole thing with ship "girls" gets even more linguistically- and culturally-jumbled when it hits the English tradition of referring to a ship as "she" even if it is named after a man and the Russian language pronoun trouble that has ships be referred to with the male pronoun. Though the Soviet Navy didn't have (anything?) named after a woman anyway.

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-29, 23:55
The most interesting designs of Kancolle, in my opinion, would be those carriers. They also spawns a whole bunch of funny doujin/fanart because of that. Their history, though, are not fun to read. I can't believe there is a day that I feel depress by reading how Akagi going down on wiki.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-30, 00:13
I can't believe there is a day that I feel depress by reading how Akagi going down on wiki.

Please, read the accounts of the Battle of Surigao Straight, where Fusou was torn in half, while Yamashiro sank suddenly after five minutes, and Mogami had her bow torn off. It's easy to read if you think of them as ships (and as a Filipino, ENEMY ships at that), but super-imposing the KanColle designs on the entries to these battles make it weird, to say the least.

Pretty much perfectly-laid trap by the US forces, that one.

On the flip side, there's the Battle off Samar. Given how destroyers are usually portrayed as either kids (the Akatsuki class) or early teens (the Kagerou class) in KanColle, imagine a bunch of kids driving off the grown women of Center Force, which among other things included the Yamato, Kongou, Chikuma, Tone, Kumano, and Haruna...

LystAP
2013-10-30, 00:30
Please, read the accounts of the Battle of Surigao Straight, where Fusou was torn in half, while Yamashiro sank suddenly after five minutes, and Mogami had her bow torn off. It's easy to read if you think of them as ships (and as a Filipino, ENEMY ships at that), but super-imposing the KanColle designs on the entries to these battles make it weird, to say the least.

Pretty much perfectly-laid trap by the US forces, that one.

On the flip side, there's the Battle off Samar. Given how destroyers are usually portrayed as either kids (the Akatsuki class) or early teens (the Kagerou class) in KanColle, imagine a bunch of kids driving off the grown women of Center Force, which among other things included the Yamato, Kongou, Chikuma, Tone, Kumano, and Haruna...

If I recall in the comics, the poor ships usually suffer panic attacks when their historical demise is referenced, from Akagi's "Midway. Pride-induced. Explosion" PTSD to the Submarine Trauma Group, and Mutsu's third turret.

On the American side, we got our own fair share of submarine trauma victims too:heh:. And speaking of the Battle off Samar, don't forget the destroyer escorts, ships that are even smaller than destroyers, charged straight into the fray as well.

Endless Knackwurst
2013-10-30, 01:46
Adding the historical context onto the moe girls can be a little morbid, but naval warfare is a messy thing.

(Given that most of the Kancolle ships thus far are Japanese, most of them had a messy end. Going over the Strike Witches cast, more of their historical counterparts survived, but there is at least one example of a character's real person possibly being killed in WWII by another character's. This would also get interesting if other nations end up in KanColle...)

Myssa Rei
2013-10-30, 03:03
LOL I cleared 2-4 with the dual sub technique. It was funny. ^^;

Now to just grind my ships, but hey, at least I don't have to worry about 2-4 anymore!

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-30, 03:47
Adding the historical context onto the moe girls can be a little morbid, but naval warfare is a messy thing.

(Given that most of the Kancolle ships thus far are Japanese, most of them had a messy end. Going over the Strike Witches cast, more of their historical counterparts survived, but there is at least one example of a character's real person possibly being killed in WWII by another character's. This would also get interesting if other nations end up in KanColle...)

The ships' downfall have much more impact mostly because each of them are treated as individual, I think. You have a type of tank and airplane, but each ship has their own name.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-30, 21:33
So, after trying a run through 3-1, I can see why some people call 2-4 a "tutorial" stage, as it's really a dipstick for minimum levels. Because frankly, anything below 25 isn't cutting it. ^^;

Yeah, time to grind everyone to 30 now...

EDIT: Oh I noticed that I have the "must be this fleet composition and defeat this map" quests available now. Nishimura fleet for 2-3, and 4th Cruiser division for 2-2? Uhm, yeah, need levels then...

Klashikari
2013-10-31, 01:33
That's why cutting corners by using submarines for 2-4 isn't a good idea.
You are missing a certain amount of exp and all by bypassing it. Usually, beating 2-4 "normally" will make 3-1 and the rest look like a joke, except 3-4 for obvious reasons.

Hitenma
2013-10-31, 03:16
Leveling Chiyoda to LV12 just to rip off her midget submarines for KTKM.
Am I a terrible man if I feed the poor girl to KTKM as well since she has served her purpose? :upset:

Myssa Rei
2013-10-31, 03:36
Leveling Chiyoda to LV12 just to rip off her midget submarines for KTKM.
Am I a terrible man if I feed the poor girl to KTKM as well since she has served her purpose? :upset:

Well if you're not collecting, then by all means. Ship slots are limited after all.

I'm collecting, so I only use doubles for modernization.

P.S. I at one point had 4 pairs of Chitose and Chiyoda. Leveled them all up to 12, took the subs, then kept 1 Chiyoda and Chitose as seaplane tenders.

Duo Maxwell
2013-10-31, 05:16
Leveling Chiyoda to LV12 just to rip off her midget submarines for KTKM.
Am I a terrible man if I feed the poor girl to KTKM as well since she has served her purpose? :upset:

Yes you are. I'm leveling Chitose right now so she can catch up to her sister.

http://i.imgur.com/ma70DIh.png

Azuma Denton
2013-10-31, 05:22
Leveling Chiyoda to LV12 just to rip off her midget submarines for KTKM.
Am I a terrible man if I feed the poor girl to KTKM as well since she has served her purpose? :upset:
Not at all...
Sometimes we must do that cruel decision so our beloved kanmusu can grow stronger...



EDIT:
It seems that Kongou will be the first BB to have a 2nd remodel.
*check my Kongou level, only 53. Hope that it will not take 60++ for her 2nd remodel.

Myssa Rei
2013-10-31, 09:24
Actually I was wondering about the stat increase per level for ship classes. It's not +1 per level is it? As I've noticed that my subs pretty much topped out at level 26, with minimum Modernization.

Endless Knackwurst
2013-10-31, 20:32
This sort of thing makes me wonder how the Japanese kanmusu would interact with any American kanmusu.

http://i.imgur.com/PbdoTYql.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/PbdoTYq.jpg)

LystAP
2013-11-01, 01:52
This sort of thing makes me wonder how the Japanese kanmusu would interact with any American kanmusu.

http://i.imgur.com/PbdoTYql.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/PbdoTYq.jpg)

From what we know from the media so far, like the manga? PTSD, lots and lots of PTSD.

Duo Maxwell
2013-11-01, 06:51
And here I am still haven't been able to connect to the server. Seem like the maintenance is taking longer than expected.

http://i.imgur.com/3gXZowi.png

Azuma Denton
2013-11-01, 07:35
Already cleared E1 stage.
If you defeat the E1 boss, you'll get Iku.

Now onto E2...

Myssa Rei
2013-11-01, 22:32
Drat, looks like you need a 75% sortie success rate to even participate. I only have 73%. :(

risingstar3110
2013-11-01, 23:46
Is the server currently down? Also couldn't find that lottery information on their twitter. Devoted all onto the new update?

PS: and yes, i gonna try this again this weekend. Anyone have a clone account that you don't want any more? >_<

Myssa Rei
2013-11-01, 23:59
The servers have been back up since last night. And yes, there was a lottery bulletin.

Usually they're around 5:30 pm Japan time if you didn't catch the tweet so keep trying!.

risingstar3110
2013-11-02, 00:33
which vpn server are you guys using, as this one occasionally got that " no data received error"

Also what it said here?
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/risingstar3110/th_Capture_zps49cb0dbc.png (http://s238.photobucket.com/user/risingstar3110/media/Capture_zps49cb0dbc.png.html)

Seitsuki
2013-11-02, 00:47
Looks like a maintenance notice.

Duo Maxwell
2013-11-02, 00:58
I have a bad news for people who haven't joined the game.

現在「艦これ」提督の接続率が極めて高く各サーバ群とも新規提督着任を受け入れる余剰枠拡張が困難であるこ とと、既存サーバ群のプレイ環境維持/補強に注力するため、新規着任サーバ開放を一時凍結…次回は【11/6(水)】とさせて頂く予定です。

No more lottery until 11/6.

risingstar3110
2013-11-02, 01:06
I have a bad news for people who haven't joined the game.



No more lottery until 11/6.
Apparently they don't want me to try this game :heh:

"Quick that guy already got to account registration, do maintenance now and cancel this week's lottery"

LystAP
2013-11-02, 02:37
Apparently they don't want me to try this game :heh:

"Quick that guy already got to account registration, do maintenance now and cancel this week's lottery"

If I recall, while popular, Kantai Collection apparently isn't very profitable to Kadokawa Games. Unless they find a way to boost revenue, can they afford to add more server space?

Although it makes me wonder how Hearthstone (a online card-game by Blizzard) here in the U.S. is supposed to make money.

Klashikari
2013-11-02, 02:54
E2 is already giving me headache despite it isn't really that difficult... in term of enemy fleet that is.
I can't help but shake my head when one of my ships get critted out of nowhere because of the damn night battle mechanics... and since you better go with DD, the moment they get hit, you better go home unless you have gambler guts, which isn't really worth it for E2.

Had to give up thrice because either Shimakaze or Yukikaze get critted for 30 damage on the node right before the boss.
And that's still not even close to E3 and E4 difficulty.

risingstar3110
2013-11-02, 03:25
which vpn server are you guys using, as this one occasionally got that " no data received error"

Also what it said here?
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff295/risingstar3110/th_Capture_zps49cb0dbc.png (http://s238.photobucket.com/user/risingstar3110/media/Capture_zps49cb0dbc.png.html)
So what exactly is this notice? They won't carry out lottery till next week? Server maintenance?

I guess no one here got a spare clone accounts? Considering that 8000 places or so given out daily, i would have expected 50-70% of that would have been players re rolling

Klashikari
2013-11-02, 03:26
So what exactly is this notice? They won't carry out lottery till next week? Server maintenance?

I guess no one here got a spare clone accounts? Considering that 8000 places or so given out daily, i would have expected 50-70% of that would have been players re rolling
This notice just explains that they filter access after the maintenance to prevent server overload. So they ask people to try logging in later.

And there is absolutely no way people would "reroll": the benefit for doing so is basically inexistent.

risingstar3110
2013-11-02, 03:38
This notice just explains that they filter access after the maintenance to prevent server overload. So they ask people to try logging in later.

And there is absolutely no way people would "reroll": the benefit for doing so is basically inexistent.
Logically, not. But for example, i do tend to re-roll another account if i make a major mistake. Just to have a clean slate, and whatever the old account had won't remind me of such failure. In a game where your favourite card may sink and lost forever, i thought some would also do that

So what do you do if the page appeared? just refresh it?

Klashikari
2013-11-02, 03:44
Logically, not. But for example, i do tend to re-roll another account if i make a major mistake. Just to have a clean slate, and whatever the old account had won't remind me of such failure. In a game where your favourite card may sink and lost forever, i thought some would also do that

So what do you do if the page appeared? just refresh it?
Except that you would have to forfeit all the ressources and other possible rare ships that might not even drop with your second account. That's just inane especially that no ship would ever sink unless you are really doing something wrong. There is no reminder that you had ship sunk anyway (no grave or anything of the sort), and I think having a completely new account is an even worse reminder.
The second issue is that you would still compete for a lottery slot, which is already bothersome, but also not so considerate for others who might have tried for past few months and still fails to get a slot. I had a japanese friend who tried the lottery ever since June and could only get in a server 2 weeks ago.

As for this message, refresh a later time yeah.

risingstar3110
2013-11-02, 03:54
Except that you would have to forfeit all the ressources and other possible rare ships that might not even drop with your second account. That's just inane especially that no ship would ever sink unless you are really doing something wrong. There is no reminder that you had ship sunk anyway (no grave or anything of the sort), and I think having a completely new account is an even worse reminder.
The second issue is that you would still compete for a lottery slot, which is already bothersome, but also not so considerate for others who might have tried for past few months and still fails to get a slot.

As for this message, refresh a later time yeah.
Normally if i do some major mess up (merge a wrong card for example) just by looking at the deck would have remind me of that pain. Would have quit most of the time, but do make a secondary account every few games.

Oh, i got a better reason for players to make clone account in browser/app game: to run both in parallel (while waiting for resources, repair, etc) to see which one is luckier with drop, and then drop one account when you start to think that it's impossible for it to catch up.

Of course it will be ideal for that to not happen as then it will be easier for me to get into lottery for examples. But people will do it anyway

Klashikari
2013-11-02, 04:10
Normally if i do some major mess up (merge a wrong card for example) just by looking at the deck would have remind me of that pain. Would have quit most of the time, but do make a secondary account every few games.

Oh, i got a better reason for players to make clone account in browser/app game: to run both in parallel (while waiting for resources, repair, etc) to see which one is luckier with drop, and then drop one account when you start to think that it's impossible for it to catch up.

Of course it will be ideal for that to not happen as then it will be easier for me to get into lottery for examples. But people will do it anyway
1) There is no way to merge the wrong ship due to the interface and lock, unless you can't read Japanese (even though the lock is a no brainer). And since the vast majority of the playerbase is japanese, it just doesn't occur.

2) They just don't. As far as I checked 2ch, there is arguably no discussion about that. In fact, the only account related discussion are about those who cant get in there. The discussion also shifts to topic about how they can limit gaijin entries, as it deprives lottery slots for the in intended population and lead to account theft.
Also due to how good ships drop way later on and how ressource heavy crafting work, it is just a waste of time to bet on several accounts. It doesnt mean that no one is doing that, but it is flat out a hassle.

If Kancolle wasn't so restricted with IP and lottery I wouldn't be surprised about clone account. But that's really not the case.

risingstar3110
2013-11-02, 04:37
1) There is no way to merge the wrong ship due to the interface and lock, unless you can't read Japanese (even though the lock is a no brainer). And since the vast majority of the playerbase is japanese, it just doesn't occur.

2) They just don't. As far as I checked 2ch, there is arguably no discussion about that. In fact, the only account related discussion are about those who cant get in there. The discussion also shifts to topic about how they can limit gaijin entries, as it deprives lottery slots for the in intended population and lead to account theft.
Also due to how good ships drop way later on and how ressource heavy crafting work, it is just a waste of time to bet on several accounts. It doesnt mean that no one is doing that, but it is flat out a hassle.

If Kancolle wasn't so restricted with IP and lottery I wouldn't be surprised about clone account. But that's really not the case.
Honestly why do we have to argue over this?
I was just trying to ask if anyone here have a black swan. And now we have to get on to the arguments about how absolutely impossible it is for a swan to be black. Fun to argue about , but totally does not serve my original purpose



If it is just for the shake of arguments, then i will say every games does have clone accounts. And it is easy to prove or disprove by looking at the current player population versus lottery ticket given out. The gap make up of a sum of clone accounts and players quitting rate, which would be good for me if anyone here fall into these two groups

Myssa Rei
2013-11-02, 04:52
Holy Haruhi, now I see why people are saying that you have to have a HUGE stockpile of buckets for the event, as Criticals are incredibly common, and you will have to return to the dock ASAP at times. Sheesh.

Cleared E-1. Trying to do E-2, but the night battle start is brutal when the crits happen, with the subs before the boss node particularly painful.

As for the alt argument, Kancolle is one of those games where there's little to no value in doing so, as there's NOTHING you can transfer in between "accounts". Nothing, not even your DMM points.

Azuma Denton
2013-11-02, 09:20
A little note for someone who is new to night battle...

Note: With the November event up, odds are you guys have not really touched upon support expeditions. I will explain how this all works.
So you will noticed that you now have support expedition 109,110 or for the more veteran admirals, 33 and 34. How these work is that you send a fleet into an expedition, who will then provide additonal bombardment during the first phase. Now there are two big differences between 109/33 and 110/34:

- 109/33 supports you in general node battles, the amount of battles they help with seems to be random.

- 110/34 however is for support in the BOSS NODE ONLY. This is generally the one you go for.

To start a support expedition, you will need to bring a minimum of two DD's (Destroyers) with the other 4 slots comprised of whatever you like, however the composition will affect what type of bombing you do.

1) Generally BB's: You will do a 'shelling' bombardment. The damage is based on the overall 'Artillery' stat and it is generally the most used of the three bombardments.

2) CV's + CVL's: You will do a 'aerial' bombardment. All of your planes will basically swoop in and basically bomb/torpedo the ever living daylights out of the enemy. This does less damage than the one above, but people have claimed this is more reliable for actual damage.

3) Neither conditions are fufilled: You will do a 'general' bombardment, which can deal hugely sporadic damage (If you ever played Advance Wars 2 or dual strike, think Jugger or Flak). So you can hit for 333 or hit for 3. Arguably the worst of the 3 types.

So far the optimal formation for E2 is 2 BB 3 CL 1 DD.
Recommended BB for night battle is Fast battleship and Hyuuga (since Hyuuga has long range ). Ooi and Kitakami are recommended for night battle.
Expedition support will only happen when you change from night battle to day battle. You must meet minimum requirement for day battle or the enemy fleet will simple run away and battle will conclude.


@risingstar3110
Apparently their server is still unstable due to the November event. That's why they delayed opening new server. Just be patient. :)

Myssa Rei
2013-11-02, 10:38
I just got Hyuuga, and I have most of what might be needed to clear E-2, but the main enemy really is the crits (especially given how it's Night Battle until you hit the last node before the boss). One hit, and its back to the base.

That said, WHY Hyuuga (or Ise for that matter)? Wouldn't two Fast Battleships be a better idea?

Edit: Forget buckets, I've found that in a SINGLE day I've burned through my entire Steel stockpile due to being forced to repair constantly after the event maps. Ouch.

Klashikari
2013-11-02, 11:16
Honestly why do we have to argue over this?Because I told you it is not possible to get one (except if someone do that for your sake, that is), and you still claim it is possible, using other games as examples despite the context is not the same. You didn't believe me the very instance I mentioned it is for naught and I had to explain everything to drive the point accross, since I have a grasp of the whole lottery issue. That's all. Now if you still look for a clone account, be my guest.
Holy Haruhi, now I see why people are saying that you have to have a HUGE stockpile of buckets for the event, as Criticals are incredibly common, and you will have to return to the dock ASAP at times. Sheesh.
Be sure to stock every buckets at your disposal to use them starting from E3. Using buckets in E1 and E2 is a utter waste.That said, WHY Hyuuga (or Ise for that matter)? Wouldn't two Fast Battleships be a better idea?
Use Hyuuga only if you don't have any of the Kongo Class BB. Hyuuga is really the last resort BB, otherwise she is just too crappy.

Myssa Rei
2013-11-02, 11:25
Oh, I feel stupid now. I only noticed now that the event is based on the freaking Battle of Guadalcanal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Guadalcanal#Naval_Battle_of_Guadalcanal) , down to the bombardment of Henderson Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Guadalcanal#Battleship_bombardment_of_He nderson_Field) for E-4.

Heck, E-3 is even titled Ironbottom Sound (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironbottom_Sound), the area between Savo Island and Guadalcanal where many ships the kanmusus are based on met their end.

LystAP
2013-11-02, 15:21
Oh, I feel stupid now. I only noticed now that the event is based on the freaking Battle of Guadalcanal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Guadalcanal#Naval_Battle_of_Guadalcanal) , down to the bombardment of Henderson Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Guadalcanal#Battleship_bombardment_of_He nderson_Field) for E-4.

Heck, E-3 is even titled Ironbottom Sound (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironbottom_Sound), the area between Savo Island and Guadalcanal where many ships the kanmusus are based on met their end.

I had a thought that perhaps the game takes place in the conceptual afterlife of these ships, and they're basically just trapped re-fighting the same battles in the real world that lead to their demise. The abyssal ships are representations of their own malice and regret, and they endlessly battle them in pursuit of the victory they (their commanders and their crew) were unable to achieve in life; Angel Beats for naval craft. :(

Back to the game, does Musashi have the same resource requirements as Yamato? Or are they both identical in consumption?

Myssa Rei
2013-11-02, 16:59
Actually, given how the Abyssal ships seem to be using the English system of measurement, and only the US and British ships used those (yeah, been watching too many Discovery channel docs on naval battles), it's likely what they're fighting aren't just the malice of sunken ships, but the malice of sunken ALLIED ships (and they're only SEEING them as monsters).

Klashikari
2013-11-02, 17:16
Finally done with E-2. This is a true pain considering you are toasted if you don't have enough DD and CA for this.

My advice for this map: have 1 single BB as the sixth ship. Considering how often the trash ships are protecting the flagship, unless you miss once, your BB will hit hard the flagship by the time it is her turn.

Myssa Rei
2013-11-02, 18:41
What was your composition for E-2 Klash? I've found even with level 20 destroyers, you're at the mercy of your dodge rate for the starting phases.

LystAP
2013-11-02, 18:52
Actually, given how the Abyssal ships seem to be using the English system of measurement, and only the US and British ships used those (yeah, been watching too many Discovery channel docs on naval battles), it's likely what they're fighting aren't just the malice of sunken ships, but the malice of sunken ALLIED ships (and they're only SEEING them as monsters).

So a U.S. adaption would have the enemy as doppelgangers of the IJN girls? :heh:

Myssa Rei
2013-11-02, 19:10
So a U.S. adaption would have the enemy as doppelgangers of the IJN girls? :heh:

It's likely that the US ship girls see Abyssal ships too, if we go by the "endless afterlife" theory.

Added said theory to a WMG entry. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/KantaiCollection)

LystAP
2013-11-03, 01:08
It's likely that the US ship girls see Abyssal ships too, if we go by the "endless afterlife" theory.

Added said theory to a WMG entry. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/KantaiCollection)

Would they? I know quite a few of them were lost in WWII, but a fair amount of American ships survived even until now, although mostly as museum ships; the Iowa-classes are a prime example, I think they're still capable of being recalled into action, all they would need is fuel and ammo. They won their battle, but could fight on for other reasons perhaps. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a surviving (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_museum_ships) Japanese WWII warship (although there's a surviving merchant marine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikawa_Maru)), even the Germans got some U-Boats on display, the IJN is just gone. :(.

I wonder if they'll continue this trend referencing WWII battles in future special events. How long does the current event last?

Endless Knackwurst
2013-11-03, 01:39
Added said theory to a WMG entry. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/KantaiCollection)

That makes me feel sad. :upset:

Japan, why do you hurt your cute things?

Myssa Rei
2013-11-03, 04:15
How long does the current event last?

Up to the 20th, or thereabouts. From what I read, its usually the update + 20 days. More than enough time for low-level admirals to finish the first two missions at least.

Finally unlocked 3-2. This is still a bit early, but the map REALLY pushes you north unless you go full-destroyer huh?

Klashikari
2013-11-03, 12:17
What was your composition for E-2 Klash? I've found even with level 20 destroyers, you're at the mercy of your dodge rate for the starting phases.
-Верный Lv71
-Shimakaze Lv52
-Yukikaze Lv45
-Ooi Lv58
-Kitagami Lv58
-Kongou Lv62

Finally unlocked 3-2. This is still a bit early, but the map REALLY pushes you north unless you go full-destroyer huh?You have to yes. If you have even a single non DD ship, you are going to north.


Finally done with E3, and this was just a pushover map, save for the compass shenanigans.
It drained me: 3101 Fuel, 2682 ammo, 1289 steel, 1540 bauxite, 27 buckets within 9 attemps
Formation was as follow before engaging it:
http://i.imgur.com/qrsaK7Dl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/qrsaK7D.jpg)

I could save 9 buckets if it wasn't for the multiple dead end nodes after my successful 5 boss node in a row (the last one annoyed me because the boss gauge was basically empty, but still "not enough" to finish it off...).

I'm really not looking forwards to E4, considering it is E2 on steroids...

Myssa Rei
2013-11-04, 01:10
I call shenanigans on E-2 being supposedly a "beginner friendly" mission. Got a full squad of 30s now, and I STILL couldn't make it to the boss node without getting creamed by submarines doing ridiculous Crit damage.

Bah, back to grinding 3-2-A then. ^^;

EDIT: KONGOU GET! BURNING LOOOOOVE! Leveling her will have to wait though, need more high level Destroyers and Light Cruisers.

Klashikari
2013-11-04, 04:20
I call shenanigans on E-2 being supposedly a "beginner friendly" mission. Got a full squad of 30s now, and I STILL couldn't make it to the boss node without getting creamed by submarines doing ridiculous Crit damage.
It is somehow a beginner friendly mission, if you plan stopping your progress after this map. From this perspective, E2 is perfectly doable, albeit extremely frustrating.
I usually go with everyone but BB/CTL with a turbine and using the horizontal formation (5th one) all the one and vertical formation against the boss. With some luck, you will avoid most of the scrubs attacks.

Duo Maxwell
2013-11-04, 06:59
I really hate that E-2. Either the compass just went the wrong way, or they manage to 1 hit my BB into red and force me to going back. Maybe I shouldn't waste my resource with that expedition thingy when I couldn't even reach the boss.

Myssa Rei
2013-11-04, 12:08
Hmm, completed the Kongou sisters as well as Ise and Hyuuga. Got 4 Fleet slots now, so... Actually all I need to complete are the carriers Kaga, Shoukaku, and Zuikaku.

But that will come later. Need to grind resources and levels so I can challenge E-2 at the end of the week.

Azuma Denton
2013-11-04, 20:39
Clear E2 using 1BB 1CA 2CLT 2DD.
Though for the last sortie I am gambling cause Mogami got hit hard on the first node. But miracolously, she survived till the end. :heh:

Will try to tackle E3 tonight.

Myssa Rei
2013-11-04, 20:52
Average levels Azuma? Klash pretty much bludgeoned through that map with level 50+ girls. I have mostly 30s, and I'm having trouble there.

Azuma Denton
2013-11-04, 23:31
This is my fleet when I clear it this morning.
http://i.imgur.com/T6aSEDp.jpg

Achiuakuna
2013-11-05, 00:57
Is there really a maintenance, or they are just perma-banning me from registering since I tried too many times from a VPN?

Myssa Rei
2013-11-05, 01:03
Is there really a maintenance, or they are just perma-banning me from registering since I tried too many times from a VPN?

I'm not sure they CAN permaban you.

Try a different proxy server? Because I'm currently in-game, and aside from the slowness due to playing using the office's browser, nothing seems to be up.

Achiuakuna
2013-11-05, 01:33
I'm not sure they CAN permaban you.

Try a different proxy server? Because I'm currently in-game, and aside from the slowness due to playing using the office's browser, nothing seems to be up.

http://gyazo.com/e912c979e3c975e50e7aa80c03e628e7.png

This is the screen I'm getting instead of the lottery related screens.

Klashikari
2013-11-05, 01:42
There is no lottery planned at all due to the ongoing event.
You have to check out the twitter account for the next one.

Achiuakuna
2013-11-05, 01:48
There is no lottery planned at all due to the ongoing event.
You have to check out the twitter account for the next one.

Cool thanks. Gonna check out twitter.

Hitenma
2013-11-05, 04:45
Got Iku from E1 (not bother continuing E2 though).
Having a submarine makes grinding the first node of 2-4 much easier since most of the enemies will shoot her (and miss).
And even if her HP is reduced to 1, her docking time is only around 10 minutes.
Of course I have her equipped with a Repair Kit just in case :heh:

Duo Maxwell
2013-11-05, 12:06
You must meet minimum requirement for day battle or the enemy fleet will simple run away and battle will conclude.



Mind if I ask, what is the requirement for the day battle?

Klashikari
2013-11-05, 12:22
Depends of the map. For E2, if all the elite CA are toasted, there won't be any day battle.
You can be certain that you won't have a day battle if a boss is left alone.

Duo Maxwell
2013-11-05, 12:27
Thank. I was asking about E-2. I haven't used any CA, so I guess that's why I couldn't go to any day battle.

Klashikari
2013-11-05, 14:09
Thank. I was asking about E-2. I haven't used any CA, so I guess that's why I couldn't go to any day battle.You didn't get what I meant: you must not kill all the enemy Elite CA. If these 2 are destroyed, you won't have any day battle.
You don't need CA for E2. In fact, I wouldn't recommend them, unless you don't have enough good DD/CA.

Myssa Rei
2013-11-05, 19:29
That pretty much means that you HAVE to hope that your girls don't kill everything. That's kind of a tall order, unless your ships are mid-level (in which case, you're praying that THEY don't get creamed by the Abyssal ships).

Azuma Denton
2013-11-05, 19:58
Just try E3...
Aiyo, Akagi and Kaga really eat up my bauxite...

Do anyone know what is the regen rate of E3 boss??

Duo Maxwell
2013-11-05, 23:56
You didn't get what I meant: you must not kill all the enemy Elite CA. If these 2 are destroyed, you won't have any day battle.
You don't need CA for E2. In fact, I wouldn't recommend them, unless you don't have enough good DD/CA.

Thank for the clarification.

Btw, my friends claimed that if you take moderate/heavy damage during day time, and you go to night battle, your ship won't sink, is that true?

Myssa Rei
2013-11-06, 00:04
Btw, my friends claimed that if you take moderate/heavy damage during day time, and you go to night battle, your ship won't sink, is that true?

Err, as far as I've experienced, it's the opposite; if you've got moderate damage or more coming into Night Battle, you've got a HIGHER chance to get a sinking on your side, especially since all other ships get increased critical for the duration. I lost my first Yubari that way. :(

I think it used to be though that subs with critical damage were pretty much invulnerable until it was patched.

Edit: Playing here at the office has been a strange experience. Because the browser is so slow, a sortie to 3-2A takes anywhere from 10-15 minutes or more. Strangely enough, this means that because of the time lag for each sortie, this means that the girls I sortie never get fatigued. ^^;

So this means I can use my main fleet over and over without needing to swap out girls. :heh:

Klashikari
2013-11-06, 04:43
That pretty much means that you HAVE to hope that your girls don't kill everything. That's kind of a tall order, unless your ships are mid-level (in which case, you're praying that THEY don't get creamed by the Abyssal ships).Unless your ships are lvl15 or lower, they will most likely one shot the boss escort ships. It is more an issue about luck rather than going with a not so high level fleet.
Do anyone know what is the regen rate of E3 boss??Approximately a milimeter per hour (as in, 1 tiny bar).
Btw, my friends claimed that if you take moderate/heavy damage during day time, and you go to night battle, your ship won't sink, is that true?
Absolutely not. Going through night battle is considered as another fight. If your ships are in moderate damage and/or afflicted by fatigue, they are goign to sink.

Klashikari
2013-11-06, 11:40
Done with E4... this map almost drove me nuts...

http://i.imgur.com/tT7RnCll.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/tT7RnCl.jpg)

I pretty much took the "amoral" path as in: using 3-4 low level DD to minimize damage on the 2 Kongou BB and hoping both will deal enough damage on the boss.
Whilst this strategy takes a lot of time, each sortie cost far less than your usual 1/2 CTL + 1/2 CA + 1 DD + 2 Kongou, and you have far less risk involved in there.
I pretty much grinded the boss with my 2 Kongou and 4 DD, and half way of her HP, I decided to put Takao hoping it would capitalize more on the few boss encounters (considering how trollish the compass is). Of course, Haruna, and thereafter Takao, got repair crew, as you are not safe from random crits on your main ships even if you still have your DD alive by the time you reach the pre boss node.
I actually planned switching to my main fleet, but as the boss had 2 third of a full bar, I managed to finish her off out of the blue, with both Kongou and Haruna critting the boss one after another.

Overall, it took me 6 hours for 37 sorties, 9685 fuel, 5320 ammo, 9322 steel, 50 buckets. (Not taking in account the expeditions done alongside, but probably extra 1000/2000 fuel/ammo). Also at least something like... 40-50 DD (their sinking quotes will haunt me for a while).
Here is some stats for those who are curious:

For the 37 sorties:
-I was stopped cold at the first node 3 times as either Haruna or Kongou got critted way too much.

-I had to give up 9 times on either the second or third node due to too much damage on either of my BB, or forced retreat with Kongou HP in the red.

-I was redirected 9 times to SW because the compass felt like it

-I reached the boss 16 times, but only 14 times were relevant as I once had destroyed the two ships required for the day battle, and the other time that my ships just kept attacking trash, ignoring the boss completely. Suffice to say, the other 14 times, I only dished out the boss full HP only twice, conveniently my first encounter and the last encounter. The rest is basically an average of 200 damage, as low as 60 or "big numbers" to 441.


Regardless of the startegy you are using, note that:
1) you -must- have 2 Kongou class BB in order not to go to east

2) The boss is incredibly weak to Sanshikidan (Type 3 ammo, the AA green bullet equipment). You should equip this to every ships that can use them.

3) Sub tactic is not really encouraged except if you use only 1 as your flagship (that's assuming they are high level enough to dodge/sustain enough punishment so you aren't sent to the base prematurely). They will be useless as the boss cannot be attacked by torpedoes. That said, they will cancel potential cutin from every DD and CA encounter, but you will not have fun time with the other enemy ships...

4) Day battle will only trigger if at least the second or the third enemy ship is still alive. If both are sunk, day battle won't proceed.

5) If you have repair crew / repair goddess, you should equip them: you -will- eat crits left and right and there is nothing you can do except praying RNG Goddess. As such, these items will allow you to push a bit forward, while not having them will force you to retreat at any moment, unless you are really ready to sacrifice your main ships.
Also, even in red state, ships can still deal decent damage on the boss, even DD. At times, Kongou and Haruna destroyed the trash much to my dismay, but my throwaway DD could still dish out 30-50 dmg on the boss during day battle, which helps a lot in this grinding tactic.

6) You definitely need at least 10-15K Fuel/Ammo and 50-70 Buckets for this map, and your average ship (or main ships that is) must be around lvl 50-60. Anything lower is simply suicide.

Azuma Denton
2013-11-06, 19:13
@klashhikari
Congratz... :D

At least you are not getting response like this in video.
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The power of Batsubyou... :heh:

Klashikari
2013-11-06, 19:19
Yeah, I watched this video yesterday. I was like "if THIS happens to me, I will immediately ragequit the event!" especially I don't have as much ressources nor Yamato and all the crap.

I swear the staff idiot who thought night battles only and mutliple cut-in / double attacks enemies were a good idea should watch every daughter sink one after another for a whole week.
Really, the node before the boss was a despairing nightmare. These damn BB could just deny your attempt in a matter of seconds OTZ.

Myssa Rei
2013-11-06, 19:52
I swear the staff idiot who thought night battles only and mutliple cut-in / double attacks enemies were a good idea should watch every daughter sink one after another for a whole week.

Fitting, as during the ENTIRELY of the Guadalcanal campaign (which the event is referencing), many IJN and USN ships met their ends at Ironbottom Sound, including Kirishima and Hiei, if I remember right.

Azuma Denton
2013-11-06, 20:26
Fitting, as during the ENTIRELY of the Guadalcanal campaign (which the event is referencing), many IJN and USN ships met their ends at Ironbottom Sound, including Kirishima and Hiei, if I remember right.
Yes you are right...

Akatsuki (Japanese Akatsuki-class destroyer)
Ayanami (Japanese Fubuki-class destroyer)
Fubuki (Japanese Fubuki-class destroyer)
Furutaka (Japanese Furutaka-class cruiser)
Hiei (Japanese Kongō-class battleship)
Hirokawa Maru (Japanese military transport)
Kasi Maru (Japanese freighter)
Kinugawa Maru (Japanese military transport)
Kirishima (Japanese Kongō-class battleship)
Makigumo (Japanese Yūgumo-class destroyer)
Takanami (Japanese Yūgumo-class destroyer)
Teruzuki (Japanese Akizuki-class destroyer)
Toa Maru (Japanese military transport)
Yudachi (Japanese Shiratsuyu-class destroyer)

risingstar3110
2013-11-06, 21:10
What do you get from clearing the event btw? Especially when seeing everyone was pushing that far to get it done

Myssa Rei
2013-11-06, 21:17
What do you get from clearing the event btw? Especially when seeing everyone was pushing that far to get it done

Each segment cleared rewards a ship girl. The last area gives you Musashi for all your trouble.

Klashikari
2013-11-07, 01:55
Each segment cleared rewards a ship girl. The last area gives you Musashi for all your trouble.
Not exactly, as you don't receive any ship on E3.

Just for the record:
E1
-Submarine i-19 "iku"

E2
-Agano-class Light Cruiser "Noshiro"

E3
-Furniture Item (one time quest reward / cash shop token for certain furniture),
-Repair Crew (one time quests reward/cash shop-only emergency repair item),
-Repair Goddess (Cash shop-only emergency full repair item),
-53cm Oxygen Torpedo (Torpedo +15, Accuracy +2)

E4
-Submarine i-8 "hachi"

E5
-Yamato-class Battleship "Musashi"

Myssa Rei
2013-11-07, 20:51
E-2 is annoying me seriously. I get to the node before the Boss, THEN the game decides to have the Abyssal ships CRIT EVERYWHERE, which forces me to retreat to base.

Tsk.

ganbaru
2013-11-07, 21:52
Do HQ level do have a impact on anything else than weapon crafting and practice's adversary selection ?

kaizerknight01
2013-11-08, 10:07
just stumble on this

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Dancing fast battle ship Kongo :heh::heh: