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The-Wolf-Of-Mibu
2004-05-02, 04:04
Is Kakashi a bad teacher for Naruto and Sakura? If you look at it... Hes just lazy and brooding. He doenst really give them special moral support or wisdom like Gai does to his guys.
Kakashi went to train Sasuke in the chidori and left Naruto in the hands of a incompetent fool. If Naruto had not met Jiraiya (something kakashi had no hand in) then he would have lost to Neji for sure and he would have not been able to defeat gaara.
Kakashi seems to depressed about his past to be a good teacher.
Thats my two cents. Hes a cool guy and im sure many will disagree with me.
Sasuke had a better chance of defeating Gaara then naruto matching up with Neji at that time. Of course kakashi or any sensei (except jiraiya) would favour the prodigal student and not some _highly potentialed_ but slow learning fool thats no match for even for the rookies. (he would have lost to kiba if it wasnt for that lucky fart.. well atleast according to kakashi and others)
Plus Sasuke has a high chance of death in the exams then Naruto. Infact Kakashi took charge of the team 7 because of Sasuke.. because sasuke is just like him (It was mentioned by kakashi in some ep)
Everyone underestimates Naruto!
The-Wolf-Of-Mibu
2004-05-02, 05:04
Sasuke had a better chance of defeating Gaara then naruto matching up with Neji at that time. Of course kakashi or any sensei (except jiraiya) would favour the prodigal student and not some _highly potentialed_ but slow learning fool thats no match for even for the rookies. (he would have lost to kiba if it wasnt for that lucky fart.. well atleast according to kakashi and others)
Plus Sasuke has a high chance of death in the exams then Naruto. Infact Kakashi took charge of the team 7 because of Sasuke.. because sasuke is just like him (It was mentioned by kakashi in some ep)
Everyone underestimates Naruto!
So your saying lee is a prodigal student? No hes not. Yet Gai turned him into something great.
Naruto didnt beat Kiba with a lucky fart. That was just a hiccup in teh fight. It was naruto's quick thinking and ingenuity with his repiclations that won him the fight.
Why do you say sasuke has high chance of death in the exams then naruto? I just dont understand that.
Its Kakashi's jist in general. He seems like hed be better off just doing his missions and being left alone. Im sure the main reason he took Sasuke on was to protect him and watch over the seal oro put on him, but its irritating how he has no time for Naruto nor Sakura.
theKankuro
2004-05-02, 05:29
Gai is a great teacher and still he loses to Kakashi, if Kakashi would train Shikamaru, I don't think they would get so far in the training... yet, I don't think Kakashi's lazy or anything but he keeps coming late, (Almost causing Sasuke to be disqualified), but where he fights Zabuza, he says: I wont let my comrades die, which means he is reliable and cares about all three of them, all thought he just trained Sasuke. And as for the "closet pervert" as Naruto calls him ( I dont remember his name...) he wouldn't even be able to teach a dog sit. But Jiraiya was a great teacher (Allthought he rather looks at young girl in bathsuits than training Naruto), so yeah With out Jiraya, the blocking seal Orochimaru put on him wouldn't be gone, and would still be stopping Naruto to defeat any of his oppotents... Also without Jiraiya, Naruto wouldn't have learned the summoning Frog thing. (Maybe he would have learned summoning dogs with Kakashi? Who knows).
Why do you say sasuke has high chance of death in the exams then naruto? I just dont understand that.
I think he meant that Sasuke's fight with Gaara was much more of a life and death situation than Naruto's with Neji. Gaara would have in all likelihood killed Sasuke if Sasuke should have failed, while Neji would have simply defeated Naruto by subduing him (If I am not mistaken, Neji tried to walk away from the fight on a few ocassions thinking he had pummelled Naruto into submission.)
BTW I agree with you, I think Kakashi is a horrible sensei for Naruto and Sakura.
if Kakashi would train Shikamaru, I don't think they would get so far in the training...
LOL
I never thought about that, man, no one would even show up =P
This subject has been beaten to death before. To put it simply, kakashi trained sasuke because he was the only one kakashi actually COULD train with any efficiency. The ONE time he trained sasuke, it was because he could train him over naruto. All kakashi really had was his chidori, he chose to teach sasuke it because:
A) He had copied Lee's taijutsu, and as such could gain the speed necessary to use it, and
B) Sasuke had sharingan, so he could actually detect a counter attack while using chidori, and not smack into spikes, resulting in his gruesome death.
I dont even know why you're mentioning sakura whatsoever, she lost her match, there was no reason to train her. And ever since then, its been one rollercoaster ride after another for the leaf, kakashi hasnt had TIME to train ANY of them.
LuckyStrike
2004-05-02, 06:26
Is Kakashi a bad teacher for Naruto and Sakura? If you look at it... Hes just lazy and brooding. He doenst really give them special moral support or wisdom like Gai does to his guys.
Kakashi went to train Sasuke in the chidori and left Naruto in the hands of a incompetent fool. If Naruto had not met Jiraiya (something kakashi had no hand in) then he would have lost to Neji for sure and he would have not been able to defeat gaara.
Kakashi seems to depressed about his past to be a good teacher.
Thats my two cents. Hes a cool guy and im sure many will disagree with me.
Well, Ebisu-sensei is actually a far better qualified teacher than Kakashi.
Kakashi only taught Sasuke individually because he is most similar to him and can teach Sasuke about Sharingan etc...
In terms of techniques, chakra management and abilities, Naruto is far worse off than Sasuke, Ebisu-sensei can teach Naruto these basics (water walking) etc...
We don't even know how good or what tricks Ebisu-sensei had up his sleeve, you don't see him fighting in the leaf/sound/sand war, more likely he was guarding students and civvies like Anko was.
Anyway, it was definitely luck that Naruto met Jiraiya since he removed the seal put on by Orochimaru, also Jiraiya has decent knowledge of the Kyuubi and plenty of other techniques, he is one of the 3 legendaries afterall.
Sakura on the other hand, he's not exactly an outstanding or genius ninja, however something tells me the 5th teaches Sakura some stuff since some pics and posters hint this.
Et Voila! Is Kakashi making the same mistake the 3rd did? (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=11721). Maybe he is, maybe he isn't.
ma1nstream
2004-05-02, 07:04
Kakashi went to train Sasuke in the chidori and left Naruto in the hands of a incompetent fool.
1. Kakashi left Naruto in the hands of Ebisu and he is a Great teacher, why do you think they would assign him to train Kankuro(sp?) the 3rd Hokages grandson?
2. Kakashi did have a hand in naruto beind trained by Jiraiya(no clue how to spell), Infact...wait...I dont think it has happend yet, but there is a flash back that explains later...or mabey its allready happend...dont remember..damned manga! :P
and 3. I dont think Kakashi is making the same mistake as the 3rd did, for 1 hes not even close to being as powerful and 2 i dont think he has the same Insane mentality as oro, and would never turn evil
now if youve read the manga, my thoughts go with what i said, he isnt dumb/crazy enough to become evil :)
ubdevoid
2004-05-02, 07:15
Kakashi did actually teach Sakura about Genjutsu techniques. I think he trusts Naruto more to be honest, Naruto doesn't really need the close supervision that Sasuke does. I just think that Kakashi has more faith in Naruto than he does in Sasuke, which seems pretty spot on to me.
Budweineken
2004-05-02, 07:22
Is Kakashi a bad teacher for Naruto and Sakura? If you look at it... Hes just lazy and brooding. He doenst really give them special moral support or wisdom like Gai does to his guys.
Kakashi went to train Sasuke in the chidori and left Naruto in the hands of a incompetent fool. If Naruto had not met Jiraiya (something kakashi had no hand in) then he would have lost to Neji for sure and he would have not been able to defeat gaara.
Kakashi seems to depressed about his past to be a good teacher.
Thats my two cents. Hes a cool guy and im sure many will disagree with me.
Nothing that Jirya taught Naruto was used in the fight with Neji... so the outcome would have been the same...
Sakura wasnt training with Kakashi because she was eliminated.... and a teacher per person improves effectiveness since each student has all the attention of the teacher
ubdevoid
2004-05-02, 07:35
You mean apart from how to channel the Kyubi chakra? Which was the point of the training that Jiraiya gave to Naruto.
The-Wolf-Of-Mibu
2004-05-02, 07:36
Great teacher = bring out the best in you.
Water walking would not make naruto beat neji.
Kakashi did actually teach Sakura about Genjutsu techniques. I think he trusts Naruto more to be honest, Naruto doesn't really need the close supervision that Sasuke does. I just think that Kakashi has more faith in Naruto than he does in Sasuke, which seems pretty spot on to me.
Very interesting - I hadn't considered that possibility at all.
Budweineken, Jiraiya taught Naruto how to call on the Kyuubi chakra whenever he needed it AND dispelled the seal messing up Naruto's chakra - which became damn useful near the end of the Neji fight.
So your saying lee is a prodigal student? No hes not. Yet Gai turned him into something great.
Well.. Lee is a genius at hard work and he reminds Gai of himself. So you see..
Sasuke is like Kakashi
Naruto is like Jiraiya
Lee is like Gai
Thus their interests in these students is natural.
Why do you say sasuke has high chance of death in the exams then naruto? I just dont understand that.
Heh.. isnt it obvious that sasuke vs gaara is going to be a life and death match?!
Its Kakashi's jist in general. He seems like hed be better off just doing his missions and being left alone. Im sure the main reason he took Sasuke on was to protect him and watch over the seal oro put on him, but its irritating how he has no time for Naruto nor Sakura.
Every teacher has a fav student but that doesnt mean he will not care about another student.
As ubdevoid said.. he thought Sakura genjutsu and up untill the chuunin exams he though all of them equally.
LuckyStrike
2004-05-02, 10:38
Great teacher = bring out the best in you.
Water walking would not make naruto beat neji.
water walking exercise was to teach naruto the art in chakra control, Naruto was poor at this, used too much to produce too little, only his stamina made up for this short fall (even before Orochimaru's seal, see tree climbing episode)
There wasn't enough time for us to see how much or what other stuff Ebisu would have taught Naruto. So we can only theorise.
However, one thing is still true, Jiraiya didn't teach Naruto the basics still, only summoning technique and using Kyuubi's chakra, while both are great, I still think Naruto would benefit greatly if he was taught and practiced the basics
Joe Dalton
2004-05-02, 10:49
Annother reason sasuke is more likely 2 die is because the others know him... naruto is just annother oponent for them so they have no real intention of doing anything besides beating him up.
Annother reason sasuke is more likely 2 die is because the others know him... naruto is just annother oponent for them so they have no real intention of doing anything besides beating him up.
I'm sorry...I'm not following this train of thought. Sasuke was highly-respected by his village and fellow Academy students/genin. I suppose the rep might make his enemies fight harder against him than they would Naruto, but I wouldn't extend that to a real possibility of death.
whatever123
2004-05-02, 10:58
kakashi trained sasuke over naruto in the chunin exam because:
1- to protect him from being kidnapped by orochimaru
2- to effeciently teach him how to supress the cursed seal
3- by increasing his power (practicing taijitsu and increasing his speed in it, teaching him chidori) he would avoid having sasuke turn to the dark side (going to orochimaru) and enforcing point two and also it would help him protect himself from being kidnapped
4- it is a priority to do all that since the main threat is orochimaru kidnapping sasuke
now if kakashi is a bad teacher or not?
i cant continue this point i have to go know probably later, sorry
theKankuro
2004-05-02, 11:02
Still Jiraiya is a hell lot stronger than Ebisu. Since Jiraiya thaught Naruto lots of stuff! (Like breaking the ball with chakra..). But thats after the fight with Gaara I belive.
And about the tree climbing episode, that was when Naruto couldn't use the nine tails' chakra at all, but still he had alot, just didnt know how to use it... He was pretty incompetent at the beginning, but now he has grown and surpassed Sasuke!
(Btw The 3d hokage's grandson's name is Konohamaru)
Kakashi training Sasuke had to be done I believe Kakashi knows from the Haku fight that in extream situations Naruto can blast away anyone. But for Naruto to find Jiraiya*was like so cool because now Naruto understands the tremendus power that lies within as before he dident quite get it. And as for Sakura well who cares! she should just grow her hair back and sit there looking pretty :p
xArrowofArtemisx
2004-05-02, 11:14
:hmm: I really don't think Kakashi's a bad teacher... in fact, i think he's awesome. He might seem sort of nonchalant, but i think he's the best kind of teacher for the three (well.... i don't know about sakura). I mean, come on, i couldn't see the Team 7 with Asuma or Gai-sensei...
and i was under the impression that Kakashi trained Sasuke because Sasuke needed him more--because of the whole cursed seal thing, and also orochimaru prowling about wanting his sharingan...
i don't know if someone said this or not, but Kakashi also said that Sasuke was like him... and it turned out for the better anyways because Naruto met Jiraiya... :heh:
The closet pervert would have been a fine teacher for naruto. He woukd have kept him doing exercises to controll and mold his chakra.
BUt neither he or kakashi know of orochimaru's seal which was one of the biggest reasons it made his control abilities so out of whack. He probly could have learned better control even with the seal in place but it would have been alot harder
Kakashi training Sasuke had to be done I believe Kakashi knows from the Haku fight that in extream situations Naruto can blast away anyone. But for Naruto to find Jiraiya*was like so cool because now Naruto understands the tremendus power that lies within as before he dident quite get it. And as for Sakura well who cares! she should just grow her hair back and sit there looking pretty :p
Like, yeah, y'know?
While it is true that Jiraiya taught Naruto how to control his power, it's still true that Naruto doesn't know the basics - which he really, really should learn.
It's probably true that Ebisu is a better teacher than Kakashi - so, when the time came to re-teach Naruto the basics, Kakashi found someone that could do the job better than he could. I don't think that makes him a bad teacher at all.
Like, yeah, y'know?
While it is true that Jiraiya taught Naruto how to control his power, it's still true that Naruto doesn't know the basics - which he really, really should learn.
It's probably true that Ebisu is a better teacher than Kakashi - so, when the time came to re-teach Naruto the basics, Kakashi found someone that could do the job better than he could. I don't think that makes him a bad teacher at all.
Blah......basics are for pussy's! Put Naruto in any life threating/protecting precious ppl situation and he will always come up "trumps" even if it means farting in ya face yo!
whatever123
2004-05-02, 11:33
back to my point whether kakashi is a good teacher or not?
well i did explain in my previous post why i think he chose to train sasuke and left naruto to ebisu add to that the point that sasuke is the same type of fighter that kakashi is and that naruto really sucked at basic made more reason for kakashi to train sasuke and leave naruto for ebisu.
now for kakashi, before the chunin exam began iruka and gai didn't believe that kakashi's team was ready for the chunin exam, but when iruka performed the preleminary test he (kakashi) proved them wrong. plus he believes in his team and his team did finish the first two parts of the exam in a good way. all of them had the necesary skills to pass the first two parts and two of the team (naruto and sasuke) had the qualifications to pass the whole chunin exam, even if they didn't pass they did very well in such an exam, and all that in a matter of one year training with kakashi, so i think that this would make kakashi a good teacher
Quoted from "is Kakashi making the same mistake...." thread because I didn't want to type out everything again:
As stated before, Kakashi does not appear to me as the favouring type. He clearly has a strong sense of understanding of all of his students. This is demostrated the most in two situations: during the Chuunin exam, during Sakura's fight. He understand Sakura more than Naruto does (but granted, one could argue against this. Another example would be
his conversation of Jiraiya. He clearly dispicts both Naruto and Sasuke's...dilema
Iruka noted also that Kakashi is one to knows what his genins are truly capable of. And, they are other examples.
It appears recently that he "favours" Sasuke, but I don't think that is at all unreasonable. There is the fact that he knows that Gaara is very dangerous opponent. He knows that Orochimaru is after Sasuke. Sasuke has the curse seal. Kakashi is a very caring person behind that flaky appearance. He knows of Sasuke's desire for power for revenge. If you were a mentor of a student who lives for revenge, would you not try to stop them, rather than to watch them dive into a pit that they wouldn't be able to claim out of? Would you watch your student do something stupid like that while you know what will happen afterwards?
Kakashi has hinted in his conversation with Sasuke, before he [sasuke] ran away with the sound nins, that he seems to understand what revenge will bring you.
Even after the fight between Sasuke and Naruto, and the talk with Jiraiya, he stops to comfort Sakura (mind you, it isn't the first time that he has done so). He hasn't forgotten about her as he hasn't forgotten about Naruto when he trains Sasuke.
Edit: editted the english a bit. I hope my point is clear.
The result of Kakashi training Sasuke would be more rewarding than the result of him training Naruto. It's better to train one of your student (who needs you and who you can teach efficiently) more (the Sharingan and the Chidori since Sasuke is already half way there), than to train one of your other student (who doesn't need you as much and who you can't teach as efficiently) less (basic chakra control). Do I make sense? It's not hard to weigh out the benefits (to the STUDENTS) of who to teach.
The bottom line is, Kakashi trained Sasuke because Sasuke NEEDED it more so than Naruto. That does not make him a bad teacher.
I think he trusts Naruto more to be honest, Naruto doesn't really need the close supervision that Sasuke does. I just think that Kakashi has more faith in Naruto than he does in Sasuke, which seems pretty spot on to me.
Interesting concept. I can see that. There is a lot more to what Kakashi knows than what he is letting on.
Is Kakashi a bad teacher for Naruto and Sakura? If you look at it... Hes just lazy and brooding. He doenst really give them special moral support or wisdom like Gai does to his guys.
Kakashi went to train Sasuke in the chidori and left Naruto in the hands of a incompetent fool. If Naruto had not met Jiraiya (something kakashi had no hand in) then he would have lost to Neji for sure and he would have not been able to defeat gaara.
Kakashi seems to depressed about his past to be a good teacher.
Thats my two cents. Hes a cool guy and im sure many will disagree with me.
How could you possibly think he's a bad teacher!? Showing up late doesn't mean anything as long as they get things done. And having the kind of past he does could only further promote his teaching ablitily from being able to draw on past experiences. All teachers have their own way of teaching, however eccentric it may be. And Lee is a 'prodigal' student as you put it, even if just through his determination. If you took any other student and gave'm to Gai there would not have been the same outcome. In fact, they were impressed at what he actually was able to do at the prelims. I think all other points have been defended pretty well by others.
I think that Kakashi only was ment to teach them the basics,
later on you can see that Sasuke and Naruto recieve lessons from like a "private" teacher.
Naruto, most likely goes on a kind of journey with Jiraiya and probaly Jiraiya will become his mentor or some thing like that.
Sasuke is receiving lessons from Kakashi due the fact that they have both the sharingan.
PerniciousJuJu
2004-05-03, 13:12
No NO No!!
kakashi is a GREAT teacher... :heh:
well, I'm up to epso. 50 and he seems like a good teacher...
Kabuto Maniac
2004-05-03, 14:38
Sasuke is receiving lessons from Kakashi due the fact that they have both the sharingan.is that a reason to just leave Naruto to lose!?! that's so damn unfair! really, when I saw that part, I felt really sad for Naruto. Kakashi just let him down, like an ass... it felt like betrayal for life man! Kakashi just doesn't care shit about Naruto and Sakura, at least, that's what that action there made it look like, of course I don't truly mean that completely... couldn't he have split in 15 days Sasuke and 15 days Naruto? that would've been way more fair I think.
there's quite alot of weird stuff going on in this thread by the way... A Lamer said that Sasuke was able to obtain that speed due to copying Lee's Taijutsu... are you sure? of course not! all he did is like memorize the moves Lee made, as if he had taped it and played back and forward in slow-motion, over and over again until he fully memorized the combo, that's exactly what he did, and that didn't help him shit in his speed training. and; it is true that Sasuke-Gaara was more of a life threatening situation (loss for Sasuke was 100% chance of death, unless somebody stopped Gaara), but: it is not true that Naruto had a very small chance of dying... look at Hinata: she was in a very bad condition too, and if it wasn't for the ANBU guy, well... and she didn't even take the 64 hands of hake thinggy (no idea of the full name). and I forgot who said it, but how the hell did you come up with the idea that Naruto didn't win thanks to the fart?! the only reason he could do his so called "new move" (sasuke copy..) was because poor Kiba almost had his nose burnt down because of a 100 X damage fart (dunno the real multiplication..), if that didn't happen, Naruto would have been dead meat, big time! rewatch the episode if you don't believe me, you'll see. and: somebody said that the Naruto - Jiraya meeting wasn't a coïncidence. thank you very much! it's called [spoiling], or amnesia, cos' in the anime it shows that just because of Ebisu's idea of going to the springs the three of them met. unless of course if Jiraya knew they would go there, and went there too on purpose, but since we [non spoilers] don't know that, it would be called [spoiling]
Joe Dalton
2004-05-03, 15:32
Kakashi gave him a better teacher... how is that betraying him?
Since naruto cant use the same style of fighting as kakashi he needs a diiferent teacher...
also hinata had a past with neji so he ment 2 kill her... noone had a past with or any knowledge of naruto so no reason 2 "go all out" on him since that would only reveal their full ability 2 the others.
Sasuke was famous and everyone wanted 2 show their better then him so would fight him differently then they would naruto.
As far as the speed... speed is not just based on how fast you move but also HOW you move. so watching lee did help sasuke since he was able 2 copy his movements.
other then that it was just intense training
If he didnt fart he would still have won since he is naruto... and his advanced bloodline is being the main character thats supposed 2 win.
sarcasteak
2004-05-03, 15:43
and: somebody said that the Naruto - Jiraya meeting wasn't a coïncidence. thank you very much! it's called [spoiling], or amnesia, cos' in the anime it shows that just because of Ebisu's idea of going to the springs the three of them met. unless of course if Jiraya knew they would go there, and went there too on purpose, but since we [non spoilers] don't know that, it would be called [spoiling]
I didn't exactly find the post from the person who said that, but must everything people speculate be spoilers? It certainly seemed to me that Jiraiya was there at the hot spring by coincidence, but his willingness to teach Naruto certainly didn't seem like it; I don't see how that's a spoiler.
SwiftStar
2004-05-03, 15:45
I too, thought that was really lame of Kakashi to turn Naruto down like that. To me, it didnt look like he did it to train Sasuke. He had just had some run-ins with some serious nins and he himself said he couldnt win the way he was then. He went to train himself and then goes all maternal like when Sasuke shows up. Granted Naruto did need to learn some basics but he looks up to Kakashi a lot and I bet it would have meant something to get at least a little instruction. I see no reason why he couldnt train them both. Two friendly rivals training together usually produces great results.
Hindsight is of course, 20/20 and it all worked out, but I cant help but feel slighted for Naruto.
Kakashi was to train Sasuke.
The fact that he was the only one that could help him to use his sharingan, the fact that Sasuke had to deal with a crazy killer freak like Gaara, the fact that Oro and his men were after him, the fact that Naruto and Sasuke needed two completely different train, the fact that Kakashi needed to train too during Sasuke's hospitalization and finally, Kishimoto needed a reason to introduce Jiraiya.
And Ebisu was the perfect teacher for Naruto for what Kakashi knew.
Naruto had and still has a huge problem of wasting chakra.
Kakashi is a bad sensei, point blank, but to me the word sensei means more then just teacher.. I don't believe he cares for Naruto as much as he should.
He didn't even stay to watch Naruto's prilim nor did he show up on time to see his first match. The cursed seal could have waited to have Kakashi's half as seal put around it. Sasuke wasn't going anywhere in teh condition he was in.
Protecting Sasuke from Orochimaru is b.s. After Kabuto killed 4 ANBU members and attempted to kill Sasuke where was he? (and yes for the anal fanboys I mean after he saved Sasuke) He was training alone on some cliff waiting for Sasuke to leave the hospital still beaten up and find him on his own... some protection.
Did Kakashi have to watch Sasuke's every waking move for 30 days Just to teach him one move? No. Could he have given certian tasks to both of them to be worked on and mastered while supervising both of them? Yes.
If I'm not mistaken they knew about the cursed seal before the prelims. Did Kakashi bother to see what had happened to his other students and if they came out with any other presents from Orochimaru? no.
I could keep going but I'll stop there on why he's a bad Sensei.
Gai is good for kids with bad self esteem. I wish he could work with Hinata.
Asuma made his team develop good team work.
Jariaya is a very good Taoist teacher. He shows the destination but leaves the path to get there up to the student.
Kakashi Sensei
2004-05-03, 22:54
Kakashi is a bad sensei, point blank, but to me the word sensei means more then just teacher.. I don't believe he cares for Naruto as much as he should.
He didn't even stay to watch Naruto's prilim nor did he show up on time to see his first match. The cursed seal could have waited to have Kakashi's half as seal put around it. Sasuke wasn't going anywhere in teh condition he was in.
Protecting Sasuke from Orochimaru is b.s. After Kabuto killed 4 ANBU members and attempted to kill Sasuke where was he? (and yes for the anal fanboys I mean after he saved Sasuke) He was training alone on some cliff waiting for Sasuke to leave the hospital still beaten up and find him on his own... some protection.
Did Kakashi have to watch Sasuke's every waking move for 30 days Just to teach him one move? No. Could he have given certian tasks to both of them to be worked on and mastered while supervising both of them? Yes.
If I'm not mistaken they knew about the cursed seal before the prelims. Did Kakashi bother to see what had happened to his other students and if they came out with any other presents from Orochimaru? no.
I could keep going but I'll stop there on why he's a bad Sensei.
Gai is good for kids with bad self esteem. I wish he could work with Hinata.
Asuma made his team develop good team work.
Jariaya is a very good Taoist teacher. He shows the destination but leaves the path to get there up to the student.
Wow... talk about your arguementitive people...
Is everyone forgetting that in the manga...
Kakashi is FIGHTING because Itachi wants to take Naruto? He's fighting for Naruto. /There/ is care for you.
He does care about Naruto. Only, he can't be there every single second of every single day to look after him. My theory is he likes to let his students explore stuff on their own. Naruto likes to train on his own, as we know also.
Kakashi doesn't /not/ care about Naruto. He pays special attention to Sasuke because Sasuke is so much like him. Also, Jiraiya taught The Third, and though I won't go into that whole thing, he DOES say:
That Naruto reminds him of The Third. Who better to teach than someone who is *cough* like someone you've already taught?
Anyway, Kakashi's SOLE responsibility is not his students. He /does/ have a life somewhere outside of being a sensei. And as for the Anbu, why is it KAKASHI's fault they died??? As if the guy can be everywhere at once? He may be one of the best, but he IS only human, mind you. He's not omnipotent and omniscient. (AKA, he's not God.)
As for being late, his top priority at the moment was making sure Sasuke knew the chidori well enough or whatnot. He needed it to beat Gaara. (Well, not that it really worked, but that's another story...) That few extra minutes or whatnot may have saved Sasuke. Speculation there...
He's NOT a bad sensei. It's the fact he's can't be like 10 places at once, and that he's 'human,' (but still, of course, oh-so-cool.)
(And no offense, but this is getting a little too heated. It's ANIME!)
Bronwen Stx
2004-05-03, 23:04
Kakashi doesn't /not/ care about Naruto. He pays special attention to Sasuke because Sasuke is so much like him. Also, Jiraiya taught The Third, and though I won't go into that whole thing, he DOES say:
That Naruto reminds him of The Third. Who better to teach than someone who is *cough* like someone you've already taught?
Sorry to be a prick, but where and when did he say that? I can't remember at all and I don't remember reading that part. I think you meant the fourth, that would make much sense.
Sorry to be a prick, but where and when did he say that? I can't remember at all and I don't remember reading that part. I think you meant the fourth, that would make much sense.
Yes Jiraiya trained the FOURTH, not the Third, Just to clarify.
and i think Kakashi is a swell teacher. he is like my english teacher, has a different way of looking at things. and his tests are tough! nobody but Team 7 passing his test? Good stuff! But seriously, Kakashi is just one of those teacher's that can see what's underneath the underneath, or what not?
He trained Sasuke because he was a lot like him, for sure. But...didn't he also try to train Naruto the Chidori afterwards? Naruto just couldn't quite do it...but yea he was able to do the Rasengan...*sigh* crazy Naruto In any case, I agree that Kakashi saw Naruto needed no further supervision by Kakashi himself and that another teacher maybe suited to further his development for now. Who better than Jiraiya?
Sakura is a lost cause for now....
Bronwen Stx
2004-05-03, 23:33
Yes Jiraiya trained the FOURTH, not the Third, Just to clarify.
and i think Kakashi is a swell teacher. he is like my english teacher, has a different way of looking at things. and his tests are tough! nobody but Team 7 passing his test? Good stuff! But seriously, Kakashi is just one of those teacher's that can see what's underneath the underneath, or what not?
He trained Sasuke because he was a lot like him, for sure. But...didn't he also try to train Naruto the Chidori afterwards? Naruto just couldn't quite do it...but yea he was able to do the Rasengan...*sigh* crazy Naruto In any case, I agree that Kakashi saw Naruto needed no further supervision by Kakashi himself and that another teacher maybe suited to further his development for now. Who better than Jiraiya?
Sakura is a lost cause for now....
Okey dokey, because you did say the Third in your previous post and I thought I missed something in the manga.
As for Sakura, NO, she will not be trained by Tsunade. Instead she will realize her own potential and train by herself, only seeking help in areas where she needs supervision and then she will become ANBU and become and ANBU leader because she's got the brains, the skill and the heart of the shinobi.
Eventually (a few years later give or take).
Kakashi is a good teacher. He's a cool teacher. I would like him to be my teacher. He does read the underneath the underneath.
Okey dokey, because you did say the Third in your previous post and I thought I missed something in the manga.
that wasn't me who said it was the third in the "previous post" to clarify again. :)
and IMO, Sakura's only purpose is to procreate with Sasuke and make little Uchiha's to run around and rebuild the clan. :heh: but that's just me. Nah, I do hope she gets stronger soon, and gets an awesome battle to boot!
Bronwen Stx
2004-05-03, 23:48
that wasn't me who said it was the third in the "previous post" to clarify again. :)
and IMO, Sakura's only purpose is to procreate with Sasuke and make little Uchiha's to run around and rebuild the clan. :heh: but that's just me. Nah, I do hope she gets stronger soon, and gets an awesome battle to boot!
I apologize, my brain is getting frazzled (hockey). But dude it's wrong, if I see little pink haired Sharingan users running around the streets of Konoha, I think I might just puke alot of things I've eaten for the past year or so.
I do want her to get stronger, on her own and no crap about those parallels and how she's going to be trained by Tsunade. I want her to find her own strength but without excessive necessary guidance. She's alot like Naruto who could realize things on her own except she doesn't have Kyuubi to keep her in trouble.
I apologize, my brain is getting frazzled (hockey). But dude it's wrong, if I see little pink haired Sharingan users running around the streets of Konoha, I think I might just puke alot of things I've eaten for the past year or so.
I do want her to get stronger, on her own and no crap about those parallels and how she's going to be trained by Tsunade. I want her to find her own strength but without excessive necessary guidance. She's alot like Naruto who could realize things on her own except she doesn't have Kyuubi to keep her in trouble.
hehe no problem. But I dunno...little pink haired sasuke's....is ONE OPTION. how about hottie hot girl uchiha's for the GUYS to oogle over this time...instead of the girls oogling over Sasuke and Itachi? I'm trying to see the good in the gene pool. :)
SephirCloud
2004-05-04, 00:30
One thing about Naruto and the basics Ebisu was teaching him...
... Jiraiya specifically stated that since Naruto had so much chakra, it would make more sense for him to be able to access it and use tremendously powerful techniques, thus using it to it's full extent. Since Naruto has so much chakra anyways, chakra wastage isn't so big of an issue for him.
So Jiraiya did in fact notice that Naruto was bad at the basics, but it's just that he also saw that Naruto didn't really need to learn them.
I'd say that learning the basics isn't a priority for Naruto right now, but he should learn them eventually. If Naruto didn't have any powerful techniques, then his massive chakra supply would be more than sufficient. However, as Naruto learns bigger jutsus that tap his mighty chakra, inefficiency would become an issue.
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