Gungrave

[Y fa fret]

What does everyone think of this new production by Madhouse? I watched the first episode and it was kinda iffy, but then I watched the second and it was really different and really better. Seeing how Brandon and Harry get to where they are in the first episode and all.

The action, music and art is pretty good, nothing extraordinary but still good, character design is not bad as well and the story's got me hooked.

I kinda like how Madhouse gives a nod to Trigun in making it seem like this happens on the same planet(it seems like a desert type planet, everyone is gun happy, and there's the bird like steeds with painted eyes), just a lot of time later or something.

[monir]

I see a Gungrave thread exist once more...Nothing but love for this show so far...People who loves Mafia/Mobster theme will fall in love with Gungrave instantly..

[LiQuid|J]

The first episode was laughable. I love how it turned into a mafia show though. I dread the day Brandon turns into "Beyond the Grave" and dons the cowboy outfit again. After that happens I might just have to stop watching this show.

[monir]

I will gladly watch whatever crap they can throw for atleast 2 episode after this excellent setup:D..Seriously, how many anime right now can actually match Gungrave's story? very few..

[Hao Asakura]

The first episode was laughable. I love how it turned into a mafia show though. I dread the day Brandon turns into "Beyond the Grave" and dons the cowboy outfit again. After that happens I might just have to stop watching this show.

I agree with you, o great Ro....sorry....Mechazawa-san :heh:
This show has turned into interesting story from ep 2 up to current ep 7. Love all the mafia's story and can't wait to see how it all turns to be betrayal later on.
Seems like the flashback story (before Brandon Heat turned into Beyond the Grave) is pretty long.
By the way, has anyone played the PS2 game here?

[Seifer_us]

By the way, has anyone played the PS2 game here?

I have, and it's quite fun for an hour... then it loses all playability until you someday once again feel a strong need to blast everything in sight to bits. I own the nice special edition Japanese box for it, mostly because I'm an avid Nightow fan, and I'm collecting anything related to his work.

As for his outfit... c'mon, as if there aren't already a huge amount of ridiculous costumes in anime as it is. Personally, he seems like a slightly modified Brilliant Dynamites Neon.

Anyway, so far, it's great. If there's something that hasn't really been touched on too much in anime, it's mobsters and the mafia. It's a nice change of pace if you ask me, and I'm really looking forward to seeing the rest. *sigh* The second game doesn't come out until January 7th (anime OST on the same day), and I don't even know when the first DVD will be out...

EDIT: WOOT! Correction, the first (R2) DVD will be out on 2004/02/21. :cool:

[Snuble07]

I must say, Gungrave is by far my favorite new series of this season....

[Tboz]

Hmmm... what's wrong with Beyond the Grave's outfit? I think its pretty cool. :D

I don't actually see any resemblances to Trigun besides the fact that they are produced by the same company and that both titles have characters with flashy guns.

Besides the good story and the moderately paced presentation, the thing I like about Gungrave is its music. It reminds me of Cowboy Bebop the way it sets up the atmosphere and blend into the whole show with appropriate use of BGM. The OP is great but the ED is awesome. I think I have found a new favourite in Scoobie Do after listening to this blues rock track.

I think I am going to get it on DVD when it comes out. :D

[Seifer_us]

A few main noticeable similarities between Trigun and Gungrave:

Same (Original) Character Designer: Yasuhiro Nightow created the Trigun manga, but the character designs for the anime were done by Yoshimatsu Takahiro. Gungrave is his first project as Character Designer for an anime. He also has a large say in the story as I understand it.

Same Script Writer: Yosuke Kuroda (Also wrote some scripts for Excel Saga, oddly enough...)

Same Composer: Tsuneo Imahori. The reason that his music sounds similar to Bebop's is because he was a guitarist for the Seatbelts, the group that did the music with Yoko Kanno for Bebop. He and Kanno are also close friends. Try listening to some of the primarily guitar tracks on the Bebop OST's and you'll notice it's usually him playing. Awesome guitarist, isn't he?

A Returning VA: Onasaka Masaya who was the voice of Vash played Balladbird Lee for a few episodes, but from what I can tell, wasn't able to/didn't want to continue and dropped out.

The Races in Episode 5: They are racing Thomas', the odd creatures used for transportation on the planet Gunsmoke, where Trigun takes place. Also, there are two that are named Michael Stampede and Black Chapel.

and yes... there are lots of guns.

I know most of you don't care about any of that stuff, but there it is anyway, just for future reference for anyone curious.

[Tboz]

Nice info there...

Pardon me as its been a long time since I last watch Trigun. The only thing I can remember are Vash's goofy antics and his "LOVE and PEACE!!" motto. I even have to look up the names of the characters so that I can use them in this post. :p

Come to think of it, I vaguely remember Milly and Meryl riding these Thomas... am I right? Michael Stampede obviously pays homage to Vash the Stampede and Chapel the Evergreen is the name of a villian in Trigun.

You enlightened me... Thanks... :D

[Xiandu]

So there's a 2nd game coming out. I didn't know that. Where can I get some more info on it. Even though the 1st got really repetitive, I still loved it. I have loved this anime since episode 1, and I have really loved the background story of Brandon Heat and Harry McDowell. I agree that this is one of the best shows of the year.

[|Aion|]

I will gladly watch whatever crap they can throw for atleast 2 episode after this excellent setup:D..Seriously, how many anime right now can actually match Gungrave's story? very few..
I agree with monir,he story of gungrave is great,but i do have one problem with it,same thing that happened in FMA,The first episdoe is in the present,then after that they go back and explain what happend leading up to that point,if it was for a few episode i can get by without a hateful comment towards it,but it looks like in this its gonna go on for a good while.The whole thing about brandon being brought back to life somehow,and taking revenge on harry,while fighting creepy looking subordnates of his,is what interested me in this,but like i said it back in the past.PLEASE hurry it up and go back to he present,so that i wont end this series.

[Xiandu]

Hmm my opinion is that they don't have to go back to the present if you played the games. I already know how the revenge part plays out for the most part. What i didn't know however was how Beyond the Grave aka Brandon Heat was betrayed and the events that lead to his death. I like how it is staying in the past. Although to please fans, they could show some "now" stuff, then go back to the past again.

[|Aion|]

Yea that would be acceptable,its not that i dont find the leading up to episodes interesting,i just think they shouldnt be carried on as long as they have.

[Seifer_us]

I watched Episode 9 last night. It was okay, but I've been most impressed so far by Episode 8, which was just so heartbreaking. I felt so sorry for everybody in that episode. Except Harry... :mad: Jerk...

On a side note: I don't believe info on this sort of thing is requested that often, so I'm not quite sure if it's okay to post it here or if I should post it someplace else, but it kind of... sort of... pertains to Gungrave... a little... :heh:

Anyway, there have been two commercials that ran during Gungrave that focused on Young King Hours (the monthy serial that publishes Trigun and Hellsing) and I'm looking for encodes of them (any format). I've tried Shonen Gahosha's website and the Hours' own web site as well to no avail. Anyway, if anyone happens to have any info on them, please fill me in.

(I want the first one they showed with Wolfwood in particular. It's emphasizing his upcoming ***** in the manga... :sad: )

* - On the off chance of spoiling it for somebody (yeah, right...). If you don't know what the five letter word is, you need to watch/read more Trigun. :nono:

EDIT: Is this against the animesuki forum rules (asking for info on commercials)? I've been here a while now, and I know the rules pretty well, but this was kind of an uncertainty. I wavered a bit before posting, but ultimetely decided that it was probably okay. If I'm wrong, please mods, delete the post.

[sentinel]

does anybody know how many episodes gungrave have?

[Tboz]

I really don't mind the wait. We need to know the buildup before the revenge arc takes place. Moreover, the flashbacks are telling us necessary infomation on the background settings. We can know more of Harry's character, his motive for betraying his long time comrade etc. It defines the meaning behind the need for revenge and makes the whole story more meaningful.

Anyway, I feel they are doing just fine with the pace of it all. If they hadn't shown the teaser in ep1 to wet our appetites, some people might have drop the series already. :heh:

[Soten]

word, so good!

[Go-lytely]

This show is awesome. I'm surprised people are dissing how its gone into flashback mode. Berserk did the same thing and that is one of my favorite shows. It even has the same basic theme of best friends betraying one another in the end. Remember Guts and Griffith? Anyway, Gungrave already has all the elements of a great show, gritty drama, excellent characterization, and a wonderful storyline so far. Its like Goodfellas anime-style.

[Tboz]

The story is almost done with the laying of foundations and we have come to the part where the zombies are first created. The real betrayal is about to begin... :D

Btw, Brad Wong with his red mane and shiny gold silver revolvers is a major cool badass. I didn't expect him to kill off his men as Cannon Balkan had mentioned using cemetry corpse for the experiments. :heh

[futago]

I dont think Harry will betray Brandon, he wanted Brandon to be an important member of the family when he's the boss. I think the story is going to turn out that Harry betrays the Big Daddy, but Brandon doesnt want to betray Big Daddy and goes against Harry, that's y Harry wanna kill or maybe killed Brandon. Remember Harry said Brandon betrayed him. Too bad two friends turned into foes bcoz of different beliefs. Along with FMA, Gungrave is on my favourite list for this Fall anime season.

[guynextdoor]

the show's really great, and anybody who likes mafia should like in instantly ! :D

p.s. btw, i noticed the eyes were drawn a bit differently from normal, dunno if u get what i mean

[Go-lytely]

Just saw ep 10. One hell of a cliffhanger.

[hunterx]

I dont think Harry will betray Brandon, he wanted Brandon to be an important member of the family when he's the boss. I think the story is going to turn out that Harry betrays the Big Daddy, but Brandon doesnt want to betray Big Daddy and goes against Harry, that's y Harry wanna kill or maybe killed Brandon. Remember Harry said Brandon betrayed him. Too bad two friends turned into foes bcoz of different beliefs. Along with FMA, Gungrave is on my favourite list for this Fall anime season.

well maybe slightly different. I think harry does betray big daddy but brandon stands by harry which makes him an enemy of the millineum. eventually they both get killed but brandon is resurrected as an undead ghoul and the story continues like in episode one.. makes more sense to me

[Xiandu]

Actually Hunterx, you are wrong that Harry dies. He was the head of Milleion when the series started. He even said that he would kill Brandon again like he did before. I agree that Harry will betray Big Daddy and take over Millelion (sorry forgot how to spell it) and that Brandon will not betray Big Daddy and turn against Harry. Damn i love this series. I saw in another thread where someone referred to this show as another mindless action show. Boy how wrong they are. This and Gunslinger Girl are some of my fav's this year.

[hunterx]

he is? I must have missed it. I didn't like the first episode at all, it wasn't until episode 8 that I started watching from 2.. I'll probably have to watch it again, I thought harry died. makes more sense your way if he's alive

[Go-lytely]

he is? I must have missed it. I didn't like the first episode at all, it wasn't until episode 8 that I started watching from 2.. I'll probably have to watch it again, I thought harry died. makes more sense your way if he's alive

Hmm.. why did you start from ep 8 instead of the beginning?

[Seifer_us]

Oooh.... I just saw episode 12. I'll go ahead and put spoiler tags just for sake of it:

Some more time has passed and now Brandon has his hair cut like he had it in the game (complete with the glasses now). A short interesting event happens between Brandon and Bunji as well as a confession from Maria to Big Daddy that she has known for quite some time about Brandon's involvement with the syndicate. Harry also makes a trip to visit Dr. Tokioka and his intentions now become clear... To let you know, the next episode title was "Betrayal" so we can assume that will be the turning point for the series. Oh! Before I forget... Harry is now dating Sherry Walken! Bear's daughter! :twitch:

Oh yeah, and Gungrave will be moving from Mondays to Saturdays on TV Tokyo, I don't know how that will affect all of you that have been downloading fansubs, but I just thought I'd let you know. For the Importers:

Gungrave Merchandise Release Dates:

R2 DVD One: 2004/2/21
Original OST: 2004/1/07
Gungrave O.D. PS2 Game: Sometime in February 2004

Anyway, I'll try to keep you guys more updated on any upcoming Gungrave info from here on out as much as I can.

Grr... I can't get that frickin' Maaya Sakamoto song they play on the commercials out of my head... :help:

[Tboz]

Hmmm... Gungrave commercial? Will it be featured in the OST? :D

Btw, I am taking that Gungrave is getting more and more popular hence the change to a weekend timeslot? Is that Correct? :D

[Seifer_us]

Hmmm... Gungrave commercial? Will it be featured in the OST? :D

Btw, I am taking that Gungrave is getting more and more popular hence the change to a weekend timeslot? Is that Correct? :D

The commercial is just an advertisement for Maaya's new CD, Shonen Alice. It's not related to Gungrave, it just plays during the commercial breaks (the same commercial has run in the same time slot every single week for over a month, so that's why it's stuck in my head :heh: ).

As for the time change, I'm still not sure of the reason. I think that's it's probably a good sign though.

[Tboz]

Oh... dumb me... :heh:

Btw, the idea of Harry dating Sherry don't go well with me too. In any case, she looks very young, probably around 12 years of age?

Why would Bear let her date someone more than twice her age. :twitch:

[Seifer_us]

Btw, the idea of Harry dating Sherry don't go well with me too. In any case, she looks very young, probably around 12 years of age?

Why would Bear let her date someone more than twice her age. :twitch:

Yeah, it's a few years later now, but she's still only maybe 15 or 16. Harry even says at the end of their date, "Next time, we'll do something even more fun... until the morning." and gives her a wink. Yeah, I think Harry's going through the transition from young and verile to dirty old pervert. :heh: After she returns, Bear makes it clear with her that he's apposed to it.

[Mistwrath]

Every epd keeps me longing for more, can't wait for epd 13 to see how things will turn out.

And Harry's grand plan for ... u know what I am talking about.
I wonder what he is trying to do.

[Go-lytely]

The show is good and all but I wish the romance aspect of the show were a little more developed between Brandon and Maria. I'm still not sure why Brandon is avoiding Maria although in the last ep they hinted that Brandon was ashamed at the kind of work he was doing and couldnt face Maria. Why Maria still loves a guy who has avoided her for 3 years is a mystery to me too. I think most girls would dump a guy like that.

[NenMaster]

The show is good and all but I wish the romance aspect of the show were a little more developed between Brandon and Maria. I'm still not sure why Brandon is avoiding Maria although in the last ep they hinted that Brandon was ashamed at the kind of work he was doing and couldnt face Maria. Why Maria still loves a guy who has avoided her for 3 years is a mystery to me too. I think most girls would dump a guy like that.
of course but this is anime, :)

[Tboz]

Hmm... absences makes the heart grow fonder?

Yeah... just realized that its 3 years later, and Bear isn't exactly happy about Sherry's relationship. :p

[Seifer_us]

I'm think I'm going to start putting up new episode info here as they come out, but I'll always be sure to use spoiler tags. The following is for episode 13. Read at your own discretion.

Main Highlights:
Well, that had to get Bear in Harry's corner somehow, and I guess it was by using Sherry as a plot device. In episode 13, Harry begins making his moves to surpass Big Daddy, which includes getting Bear on his side. Bear gives him a long look in the eyes (TAKES HIS GLASSES OFF!! WHOA!! :cool: ) and decides to entrust his fate and his daughter to him.

"You didn't betray the syndicate, but... YOU BETRAYED HARRY McDOWELL!!!", says Bunji as he proceeds to kill off Randy, one of Millenion's higher ups.

A funeral is held for Brandon's former co-worker's mother (the bigger guy from when Brandon first joined Millenion, forgot his name... :heh: ). Brandon comes to support him, but he wonders why Brandon came since they live in such different worlds. Brandon tells him that everyone in Millenion is equally important (generally, I forgot what he actually said), and Big Daddy shows up at the funeral to prove it.

Brandon meets Maria again in the gown he sent her for her birthday. He doesn't say much and tells her he has to go back to work. She tries to stop him, and he turns around and sets his gun on the table and says, "This (emphasis) is work." and proceeds to leave. Big Daddy meets him outside and confesses that he is in love with Maria. Brandon seems to be quite relieved at the fact...

Next Episode Title: DIE (Conclude what you will from it...)

[Prince of Chronics]

I never played the game before but... this show has to be one of my favorites this fall... the story is actually pretty interesting and I like the fact that the show has lots of guns and violence...

[Mr.Minou]

just watched ep 13 and I was wondering

Who the hell is Marias's daughter's father ?? don't tell me that it's big daddy... :hmm:

[Jeff_from_MD]

oh man, just got off watching ep.13.


It looks like the only associate of Harry's who doesn't know what is really going on is Brandon! :(

I guess I wasn't paying attention at first and figured since brandon was cleaning up Harry's opponents full throttle this episode, he was therefore as conniving. But then I went back to the start of the episode where Harry duped Brandon into thinking the firearms smuggling was headed by a family member. Of course Brandon didn't realize that Harry, along with Kugashira Bunji, and the rest had already found a guy to pin this on,--Randy.



EDIT: Thx Mr.Minou. spoiler markups now included.

[Mr.Minou]

mark your spoiler for all who didn't watch this ep ;)

[Hiko Seijuro 14th]

Aside of the greatness that is Naruto, Gungrave is the best anime currently running.

[Seifer_us]

just watched ep 13 and I was wondering

Who the hell is Marias's daughter's father ?? don't tell me that it's big daddy... :hmm:

I'd say that's the case. It's possible that Brandon and Maria have a short fling before he dies, but I kind of doubt it though, as devoted as he is to Big Daddy.

In other news, the show's back in it's original Monday night time slot (I had thought it was going to be a permanant change to Saturdays, but it was only for one week). Oh yeah, and for the importers, Gungrave O.D. (PS2 sequel) should now be up for preorder from wherever you import from. For more info, you can check the gungrave website here:

http://www.gungrave.com/site/grave_top0101.php

Oh yeah, and a nifty wallpaper for it here:

http://www.gungrave.com/site/special/index.php

[Go-lytely]

Saw ep 13 and now I'm dissapointed

Seems like Brandon officially dumped Maria and now Big Daddy and her are going to get married and have a kid. The possibility of Brandon and Maria hooking up now is almost nil. Now its all death and destruction from here on out. I hope there is one more plot twist left. :(

[Lithos]

Must say I give this production a fist to my heart.
It's good. Love the dark atmosphere they have created.

[Seifer_us]

I just saw episode 14... HOLY CRAP, that's a scene that's going down in anime history!* I don't want to spoil it too much, so just a few things:


The child is most definetely Big Daddy's.

Big Daddy holds a large meeting to announce the heir to Millenion, and after looking in Harry's eyes, he quickly changes his mind and gives the honor to someone else. This of course leaves Harry very displeased. (Speaking of Harry, I've never been so freaked out by him as in this episode... brr... chills).

Brandon finally dies (as if you didn't expect it...). Fans of the game will notice the scene to which I referred almost instantly.* It's almost a scene for scene remake of what was shown in the game, only SOOO much more masterfully done.

Anyway, even after playing the game and knowing what was going to happen, I still couldn't say anything but, "whoa..." :heh:

#@$%ING AWESOME STUFF THIS EPISODE FOLKS!!!

Oh yeah, and a nifty tidbit, they actually played "Here Comes The Rain" (A song heard often in the Gungrave game) during this episode.

[Mr.Minou]

Mr.Minou don't read the spoiler...don't read the spoiler...DON'T READ THAT DAMN SPOILER §§§

arghhh you said too much I want to watch this ep ffs §§ :p

[Seifer_us]

Mr.Minou don't read the spoiler...don't read the spoiler...DON'T READ THAT DAMN SPOILER §§§

arghhh you said too much I want to watch this ep ffs §§ :p

:heh: Sorry about that. If you think that's bad though, try having seen it and not having a SINGLE person to talk to about it.... ARGHHH!!! Even the Japanese website's BBS only has a few comments.

Oh yeah, and check this out (no spoilers, don't worry):

http://www.garfieldlee.com/test/mov06130.mpg

It's a preview for Gungrave O.D. at the Asia Game Show. The other characters in the video are Kabane Juuji and Rocket Billy Red Cadillac.

[Go-lytely]

Only thing that annoys me about the show is that have to say everyone's full name. They can't just call anyone Harry, Brandon, Lee, etc.. they have to say Harry... Macdowel.. like its all dramatic.

[Tokubetsu EX]

AAAh i need this episode! im sitting on edge now lol, im gonna start watching the RAWs again lol :D

[Tanma]

Just watched episode 15, without translation, of course i can't give the details, beware the spoilers.

Some months after the death of Brandon, Big Daddy decides to give the command of the syndicate to Harry. Brandon was considered a traitor (everyone seems to doubt about it, but Harry has a lot of power and influence inside Millennion already). The research of the Necro-Rise continues. It seems that Harry became more insane, he killed a man that knock a children in the front of a shop thinking that was doing something good for the children, so the children start to crying because the man was related to her, and then Harry started crying and saying the name of Brandon, showing a liitle of conscience that still remains with him. Right after that, an incident occur involving the Necro-Rise experiments, it seems that Tokioka released them and ran away... then a guy with a long gray hair and two guns appears... :P

[Tokubetsu EX]

ok im a GG crack addict, ive spent big bucks on the collectibles ( games, figure,book and crap) and i think im goin cold turkey..... still no ep 14, i havent even seen the sub yet......as long as i see it... yeah

[naantje]

still goosebumps from ep 14



the kid IS big daddy's altho i find it quite amazing a geezer like him can still produce semen rofl, and the scene where harry blows the shit out of brandon... wow.. we all knew harry would betray him but i t hink thats what makes the plot SO good.. anyway the girl in ep1 is most likely maria's.. and wow i mean wow... im still amazed :O:O:O:O:O:O i guess now well go ffw to the point where ep 1 left off by seeing how brandon got NecroRised etc.. and harry is the scariest evilist anime char ever:((

[brightman]

the kid IS big daddy's altho i find it quite amazing a geezer like him can still produce semen rofl,

Yeah Dr. T already said that Mika is Big Daddy's daughter in the first episode... I'm surprised no one noticed that...

And theoretically, a healthy male can produce semen until the day they die, so it's not that surprising...

[OrO]

incredible episode 14 !!
Did u notice the ending, it's B&W

[Mr.Minou]

wow. just watched ep 14. CAN'T WAIT FOR EP 15 §§!§§ :p

I'm a little disappointed that big daddy IS the father...:/ after all brandon did not have anything left for him :(

[Tokubetsu EX]

wow. just watched ep 14. CAN'T WAIT FOR EP 15 §§!§§ :p

I'm a little disappointed that big daddy IS the father...:/ after all brandon did not have anything left for him :(

While this does sadden me but i think brandon had the right idea, he was not selfish in that he was thinking of what would be Better for Maria (so it show how much he loves her) by letting Big Daddy step in for him. He would be off killin ppl and Maria would always be worried and she could also become a target if she was with while with Big Daddy she would be protected and have a better sense of security.

[Jeff_from_MD]

you know after having watching ep..14,...


I totally understand why brandon was so bent on kicking serious ass in ep. 1. Ep.1 was fun to watch, but all I can think of now about that episode is the pain/grief brandon must've felt. Being betrayed by Harry when he was vulnerable on that elevator, and having Big Daddy and Maria prob killed off sometime after? Brandon was taken for a fool for so long, thinking he'd found a Paradise, and I think Harry whispering to brandon on the elevator about "offing the boss and returning Maria to Brandon?" That message itself was the silver bullet.

[Seifer_us]

Yay! Everybody's finally seen it! Damn good, huh? Now all of you just need to watch 15...

I hope I don't have to leave Japan before it finishes it's run on TV. :sad: <--- (Doesn't want to go back stateside)

[Tokubetsu EX]

Yay! Everybody's finally seen it! Damn good, huh? Now all of you just need to watch 15...

I hope I don't have to leave Japan before it finishes it's run on TV. :sad: <--- (Doesn't want to go back stateside)

I saw the raw of 15, gr8 stuff to, i just want to know what there talking about lol

[Prince of Chronics]

Damn... this episode(14) was great! I have to say that Gungrave is a well directed show... this episode has to be my most favorite one so far (even though it's sorta sad)....

[naantje]

lol yea in theory geezers can produce viable semen till the day they die IF they never have stress dont smoke dont drink dont go outside and basicly live in a bubble

[guynextdoor]

i think Gungrave is one of the better anime airing now, simply because of its excellent directing :)

[Mr.Minou]

finally watched ep 15...

and finally we see brandon as Beyond the Grave...


waaaaaaaaaa can't wait !! I want ep 16 §!§§

[Pacote-San]

WOW! ANIME SIMPLE OWNZ!!!

Want to talk about it with other people

Some screens!

http://img7.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Pacote/gungrave/g1.jpg

http://img7.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Pacote/gungrave/g3.jpg

http://img7.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Pacote/gungrave/g4.jpg

http://img7.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Pacote/gungrave/g5.jpg

http://img7.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Pacote/gungrave/g6.jpg

http://img7.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Pacote/gungrave/g7.jpg

http://img7.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Pacote/gungrave/g8.jpg

http://img7.photobucket.com/albums/v21/Pacote/gungrave/g9.jpg

Edit by Mod (NightWish): It is OK to talk about GunGrave...
As long as you do NOT provide links or any information as to how to download it...

[Tritium]

wow this looks really great i'm downloading it right now :heh: finally a serious anime

[Lord Raiden]

Isn't Gungrave licenced? Or is this a sequel?

[Pacote-San]

Isn't Gungrave licenced? Or is this a sequel?

Its licenced

[Lord Raiden]

That's what I thought.

[Deralti]

I see hellsing and WHR in those screenies... and which of the three came out first? ;).

[Go-lytely]

Wow, this ep was amazing. Each ep just keeps topping the last one. I thought I had Harry figured out but this ep truly shows what a complex character he is. I have to say that this show has some of the best voice acting I've ever heard.

[Seifer_us]

I see hellsing and WHR in those screenies... and which of the three came out first? ;).

I could say that Trigun came before Hellsing, and Hellsing's author was influenced by Trigun, and since Gungrave is an idea by Yasuhiro Nightow who wrote Trigun it all comes full circle. You might be able to say he was influenced by Hellsing, since it runs in the same monthly magazine as Trigun that could easily be possible, but make no mistake, Gungrave is NOT Hellsing, and Hellsing is NOT Trigun.

Besides, we all know that there are no more original ideas... everything is influenced by something. But, I CAN say that Gungrave is the first anime I've ever seen that deals in detail with the Mafia.

By the way, we have another forum for this already.

[Tboz]

I think the guys with cool guns genre came back to a good start with the sucess of Trigun and Outlaw Star years ago. :p

[naantje]

harry must die. horribly i might add.. this is the only char. EVER ive actually been pissed at rofl

[Prince of Chronics]

Harry's character is actually a pretty well designed character! though it seems he's losin it mentally kinda... he seems so calm and collected in most of the previous shows... but this episode showed him as a pretty unstable guy!

but episode 15 was pretty nice still like the rest of the series so far... it was great cuz it furthers the development of Harry's character... and of course... the end to this episode was pretty nice too... gotta love violence/action! :D

[Seifer_us]

Well, I'm back to report on things a bit.

Of recent news, Gungrave O.D., the second upcoming GG game for PS2 was ranked 25 in the most-looked-forward-to games of 2004 in Famitsu magazine, one of Japan's top-ranked gaming magazines. A neat tidbit.

The Gungrave website now has cover art for the first DVD of the GG anime, which can be viewed here: http://www.gungrave.com/site/goods/cd/cd4.php

The first disc is scheduled for release on the 21st of February, and features the first 2 episodes of the series in their original letterbox format. Extras include: Non-credit Opening and Ending, TV spot and Cinema Ad, and a promo video for Gungrave O.D.

As you can see from the pics, there is also a box release with artwork done by Yasuhiro Nightow himself. Now you just have to ask yourself if it's worth the 5,800 yen pricetag (about $50.00 U.S. currency). I know I'm going to be paying it. If you're lucky and get your order in right away, you can also get a nice illustration poster by Nightow as well. *crosses fingers*

Well, I'm a day away from seeing episode 17, "Mika". So I'll give everybody a further update after that runs.

[Prince of Chronics]

I just saw episode 16 and it was another great one... I especially liked:

when Harry went berserk and shot up Big Daddy... I thought that was a great scene... and also... it seems Harry is gonna put bullet holes in Maria too!

This show is always damn interesting! just like Trigun!

[Go-lytely]

Another excellent episode. I'm wondering what is in the suitcase.

PS: someone mentioned an astonishing connection between Gungrave and The Crow movie. Brandon Lee=Brandon Heat. Coincidence??

[Prince of Chronics]

Is it "Brandon" or "Blandon" ..... I meant to ask that in my previous post... but forgot...

and about the suitcase... isn't that where

brandon's gats are located? you know, those two nice looking pistols... that's prolly why Big Daddy told Maria, that when she needed help, she could just give that case to Brandon... (its pretty late, and hopefully I didn't imagine this... lol)

[OrO]

i have just seen episode 16, it's great :)
Did u notice the animation is high for important scenes and low for trivial things ;)

[Mr.Minou]

I just saw episode 16 and it was another great one... I especially liked:

when Harry went berserk and shot up Big Daddy... I thought that was a great scene... and also... it seems Harry is gonna put bullet holes in Maria too!

This show is always damn interesting! just like Trigun!

do you remember ep 1 ? mika says who is her mother's murderer...;)
about ep 16

I'm glad that brandon was in fact aware of harry's scheme...it's a lot more clearer now :)

and about the brandon/blandon thing : it's the same pronounciation for japanese ppl :)

[Seifer_us]

Is it "Brandon" or "Blandon" ..... I meant to ask that in my previous post... but forgot...

Officially, it would seem to be Blandon if you check the tombstone in episode 15, and the opening as well, but I'm NEVER going to call him that... :p I don't know why they changed it anyway. The spelling on the wall in the opening of the first few episodes was Brandon. Oh well...

Also, the tombstone seems to be another hint that this is indeed taking place on the same planet as Trigun. If the date is correct, it would put this extremely far into the future of the planet Gunsmoke.

I never did get around to putting up a summary of episode 17... oh well, in a nutshell:

Maria dies, Mika drags the suitcase to Dr. Tokioka and Grave, we end up right back at where episode 1 started. Oh yeah, and Bob's hand goes all Tetsuo (ala Akira) on us because he can't control his new powers very well.

Oh, and I finally got around to buying the Gungrave OST -righthead- this week and got a nice poster with it. :) It's got some fantastic tracks on it. Highly reccomended. I love the poster... "He's here to kick ass!" is written in english... heh.

EDIT: It's not really a spoiler if you were paying attention in the first episode, but:

The suitcase contains Grave's guns, Righthead and Lefthead, that's it, there's nothing else in there. His big coffin that he uses is in Tokioka's big moter-home thing. :heh:

[Go-lytely]

It seems the Japanese dont care about correct spelling. In a Planetes episode the computer monitor said "status clitical".

[Tboz]

Harry going crazy is quite expected but I didn't expect it to be so soon. He is driven to insanity by that greed and ruthlessness that urge him to climb higher. And boy... I was shocked when he suddenly shot at Brandon, I thought it should take an episode more before Brandon can die. Guess I didn't interpret Brandon's expression correctly when he mentioned about visiting Kenny's grave. That is a hint that he wasn't totally in the dark of Harry's shady dealings.

Not to forget Bunji, in my eyes, he betrayed Brandon too. Damnit... :frustrated:

[westsideplaya]

Harry going crazy is quite expected but I didn't expect it to be so soon. He is driven to insanity by that greed and ruthlessness that urge him to climb higher. And boy... I was shocked when he suddenly shot at Brandon, I thought it should take an episode more before Brandon can die. Guess I didn't interpret Brandon's expression correctly when he mentioned about visiting Kenny's grave. That is a hint that he wasn't totally in the dark of Harry's shady dealings.

Not to forget Bunji, in my eyes, he betrayed Brandon too. Damnit... :frustrated:

Yeah and the fact in Harrys eyes Brandon chose Big Daddy over his childhood friend. But Big Daddy was the father figure he never had and Harry was coming this power hungry dog, only wanting more power.

Its about time their back in the present. Interesting about how the Big Four have powers now. I wonder if their mutations will follow how they looked in the game. If so, these forthcoming episodes are going to be hot. I really want to see Grave vs. Bear walken. That was a crazy fight in the game.

[thegreatjason]

Not to forget Bunji, in my eyes, he betrayed Brandon too. Damnit... :frustrated:

I agree, they were supposed to be "brothers", but I guess when Brandon didn't tell Bunji the truth(when Bunji took that mission a few eps ago alone), Bunji probably thought that Brandon was looking down on him.

[Go-lytely]

Harry has planned every little detail to become the head of Millenion. Does anyone think Harry actually loves Sherry or is she just a pawn to keep Bear Walken in check.

[thegreatjason]

I definitely think she's a pawn, just like everyone else is to Harry. Although when they first started going out I thought Bear would make a move on Harry, oh well.

[Tboz]

I agree, they were supposed to be "brothers", but I guess when Brandon didn't tell Bunji the truth(when Bunji took that mission a few eps ago alone), Bunji probably thought that Brandon was looking down on him. Yeah... Bunji calls Brandon "Aniki", I had thought their relationship were based more on being partners/brothers than being boss and subordinate. Therefore I was also quite suprised to see Brandon slap him in episode 12. And that came just when Brandon decided to make himself look more stern by wearing glasses. Bunji must feel pretty bad being kept in Brandon's shadow all this while.

Harry has planned every little detail to become the head of Millenion. Does anyone think Harry actually loves Sherry or is she just a pawn to keep Bear Walken in check.Hmm.. maybe a combination of both?

I think Bear will want to confront Harry now that Big Daddy is dead. Surely he should have realize by now that Harry can't be trusted with keeping the Harmony. My guess is that Sherry will be implicated and end up dead too. Harry will then go mad as everyone around him starts to die. :o

[westsideplaya]

Yeah... Bunji calls Brandon "Aniki", I had thought their relationship were based more on being partners/brothers than being boss and subordinate. Therefore I was also quite suprised to see Brandon slap him in episode 12. And that came just when Brandon decided to make himself look more stern by wearing glasses. Bunji must feel pretty bad being kept in Brandon's shadow all this while.

Hmm.. maybe a combination of both?

I think Bear will want to confront Harry now that Big Daddy is dead. Surely he should have realize by now that Harry can't be trusted with keeping the Harmony. My guess is that Sherry will be implicated and end up dead too. Harry will then go mad as everyone around him starts to die. :o

I dont think he will go crazy if they start dying. Their all a means to an end.

[Mr.Minou]

I hate Bunji since ep 16 for his behaviour. man he betrayed Brandon !

ep 17 : finally back to the 1st ep ! I want ep 18 !! :p

[thegreatjason]

Wow, was anyone else dissapointed with Harry's voice actor in episode 17? He sound's a little too much like Big Daddy, well, he just sounds too damn old really.

Other than that episode 17 kicked much ass.

Although it was pretty sad when Maria died. And boy, those new "skills" that Lee, Bob, Bear and Bunji have look crazy, can't wait to see what happens in episode 18.

[Tboz]

Yep... although 13 years have passed, Lee, Bob and Bear still look very much the same. Harry on the otherhand has grown alot older. Heck... he even look older than Bear.

Was also quite shock to see Lee and Bob being part of the live experiment. Didn't see anything special with Bunji and Bear though, hope those two didn't take part in it. The worst thing is that the show ended just as Brandon was gonna kick some ass. This is getting exciting. :heh:

[Soul Bro Ryu]

Hmm.. maybe a combination of both?

I think Bear will want to confront Harry now that Big Daddy is dead. Surely he should have realize by now that Harry can't be trusted with keeping the Harmony. My guess is that Sherry will be implicated and end up dead too. Harry will then go mad as everyone around him starts to die. :o

If you want a shock to your system, there seems to be a very BIG reason a certian character was added to the anime, because this person is a MAJOR player in "GunGrave O.D." when it comes out in Japan (on March 4, 2004). And on the Opposition too - and with good reason. ^_^

Although, I don't think that game could make a series as well as the original "GunGrave" is playing out to be, I pray to God Madhouse dosen't wait too long before blessing us with that.

Go to GunGrave.com (http://www.gungrave.com), go to the "O.D." section, and check out the LAST character of the Character section. You'll be plesantly suprised.

BTW, this person even has the same Seiyuu as it's anime counterpart not to mention one other distinguishing feature...

[Go-lytely]

If you want a shock to your system, there seems to be a very BIG reason a certian character was added to the anime, because this person is a MAJOR player in "GunGrave O.D." when it comes out in Japan (on March 4, 2004). And on the Opposition too - and with good reason. ^_^

Although, I don't think that game could make a series as well as the original "GunGrave" is playing out to be, I pray to God Madhouse dosen't wait too long before blessing us with that.

Go to GunGrave.com (http://www.gungrave.com), go to the "O.D." section, and check out the LAST character of the Character section. You'll be plesantly suprised.

BTW, this person even has the same Seiyuu as it's anime counterpart not to mention one other distinguishing feature...

Whoah, that's pretty cool. I wonder when thats going to happen.

I wonder if sherry gets necro-rised or if she just goes nuts

[Seifer_us]

WOO! Just watched episode 18:

It's pretty much episode 1 all over again. Now before you get all worked up, it's taken from a different angle and almost handled like a recap. It has new scenes (most noteably at the beginning and the end), and in said scenes, particularly at the beginning, the animation took a jump from "Meh..." to "F#$@ing AWESOME!" So anyway, you should be pleased.

The new scenes are various small clips, most of which you won't notice unless you've watched episode 1 over about 15 times like I have... :heh: (Okay, so I'm exaggerating a bit...) As I said before, the beginning and ending are the most notable changes. In the opening we get just past where Mika says, "That man is Brandon... Brandon Heat." and we get to see the rest of the fight, which is darn cool. The other scene at the ending involves Mika learning about the fact that Brandon is indeed dead, and that his memories were lost (though now he's regaining them), and meanwhile, back with Harry and crew, they are all discussing what to do about the newly revived Brandon. Bunji says he'll do it, but Bear reminds him that he's dealing with the Necro-rise. Bob takes a stand and says that he can do it because of his new Spelioro (or whatever... how do they spell that in the subs anyway?), and that's pretty much it.

SO... Looks like we can look forward to Bob getting blown away in the next episode. :D

Oh yeah, there was a new commercial for Gungrave O.D. this time as well. I really wish I could download these somewhere... :sad:

[Soul Bro Ryu]

Also, the tombstone seems to be another hint that this is indeed taking place on the same planet as Trigun. If the date is correct, it would put this extremely far into the future of the planet Gunsmoke.

I was thinking that too...at first. Then in Ep. 17, those three guys standing on the pier mentioned about conflicts still going on in the Middle East. Now, the Planet Gunsmoke could have a "Middle East"-type region too (although that whole planet looks like the Mid East. ^_^), but chances are GunGrave still takes place on Earth.

Next thing you know, we might start specualting that Rocket Bill RedCadillac (in "O.D.") is in fact "Vash the Stampede" in disguise. ^_^

[Seifer_us]

Next thing you know, we might start specualting that Rocket Bill RedCadillac (in "O.D.") is in fact "Vash the Stampede" in disguise. ^_^

Nah, Vash wouldn't go on a "HORRIBLE RAMPAGE OF DEATH!!" (patent pending) :) Oh well, maybe Jyuji is really a certain gun-toting preist revived and taught sword techniques! (You know all the fangirls are dying to see it... *is filled with disgust at the thought...* )

Another theory then: Gunsmoke was formed after the humans were forced to leave their original planet in Trigun, right? Let's say then, that planet was Earth, then this would make Gungrave a prequal. In that case, maybe the technology used in Gungrave to raise the dead and make humans more powerful will give birth to the plants, and that moves the world into destruction!! It all fits!!

I love making up silly theories... :D

EDIT: This is a little off topic, but...

NEVER go to a Trigun convention in Japan. You will find yourself utterly disgusted... The main body of the participants are women, and almost the only things there for you to buy are tons upon TONS of yaoi doujinshi... I feel like I'm the only male Trigun fan in Japan... >_<

[Prince of Chronics]

Whoah, that's pretty cool. I wonder when thats going to happen.

I wonder if sherry gets necro-rised or if she just goes nuts

Maybe she just goes nuts.... cuz maybe Brandon will take out Harry... and maybe she'll want some sort of revenge.... just guesses though...

[Soul Bro Ryu]

Maybe she just goes nuts.... cuz maybe Brandon will take out Harry... and maybe she'll want some sort of revenge.... just guesses though...

Don't forget there's another one that she's connected to that'll be on "Beyond the Grave's" hitlist. I actually feel sorry for her, since by series Brandon will about have ripped her heart out by obliterating the two men she cares for.

Gad damn, I love this show. ^_^

[Soul Bro Ryu]

Bob takes a stand and says that he can do it because of his new Spelioro (or whatever... how do they spell that in the subs anyway?), and that's pretty much it.

SO... Looks like we can look forward to Bob getting blown away in the next episode. :D

In the Anime-One subs, they spell it "Speriole", although that can still be up for interpretation. Either way, it's good enough for me...

[westsideplaya]

Don't forget there's another one that she's connected to that'll be on "Beyond the Grave's" hitlist. I actually feel sorry for her, since by series Brandon will about have ripped her heart out by obliterating the two men she cares for.

Gad damn, I love this show. ^_^


She'll probably get "sperioled" too, or go gung ho and just train up. But from the looks of game trailer, Graves got some competition this time in terms of the necro rise candidates. I hope the anime follows the game these last episodes, and if so, we got 6 hot battles coming up.

[Tboz]

Sherri for necro-rise... cool... :cool:

Anyway, I see some difference between Ragnorak and Dr Tokioka's method of necro-rise. Well, mainly Brandon seems to be able to think and even recall the past. The Orcman on the other hand are savage unthinking beast only vent on completing orders.

So if Sherri don't get sperioled by Ragnorak, can we expect her to be raised by Tokioka and persuaded to their ranks? :D

[westsideplaya]

Sherri for necro-rise... cool... :cool:

Anyway, I see some difference between Ragnorak and Dr Tokioka's method of necro-rise. Well, mainly Brandon seems to be able to think and even recall the past. The Orcman on the other hand are savage unthinking beast only vent on completing orders.

So if Sherri don't get sperioled by Ragnorak, can we expect her to be raised by Tokioka and persuaded to their ranks? :D

I doubt that she'll join the "good" side seeing how in the anime shes devoted to Harry and how Grave Ultimately kills Harry and her father

[Tboz]

I doubt that she'll join the "good" side seeing how in the anime shes devoted to Harry and how Grave Ultimately kills Harry and her father Hmm... Did that happen in the game?

But is there really no possibility that Harry will kill Bear first? IMO, the story should end once Harry is dead and the Syndicate crumbles. I see no place for Sherri to come in then.

So my point is... I believe Sherri knows nothing of what Harry is doing to the Syndicate, so for her to agree to take on the experiment is still questionable. She must either be too madly in love to reason or she's going to die first. The touchy part is Bear, he is probably not going to let Sherri be part of the experiment. His sacrifice to serve Harry and betray his principles would be for nought if Sherri comes to any harm. I am sure he will disagree to let Sherri be part of the experiment. :p

So maybe my speculation wasn't spot-on, but my guess is that the situation will comes down to:

a) Bear got killed, but Sherri agrees to the experiment for her love.
b) Bear got killed, Sherri died while seeking revenge and became part of the experiment.
c) Bear got killed, Sherri seeks help from Grave and Dr Tokioka.
d) Sherri agrees to experiment, Bear don't mind. (quite unlikely)
e) Sherri died in some weak accident or illness and Harry just took her body. (quite unlikely)

Well maybe its my wishful thinking. Anyway, it might be better to let Grave work alone, he's usually a lone ranger anyway. No wait... its not even confimed that Sherri will be sperioled in the anime. :heh:

[westsideplaya]

Hmm... Did that happen in the game?

But is there really no possibility that Harry will kill Bear first? IMO, the story should end once Harry is dead and the Syndicate crumbles. I see no place for Sherri to come in then.

So my point is... I believe Sherri knows nothing of what Harry is doing to the Syndicate, so for her to agree to take on the experiment is still questionable. She must either be too madly in love to reason or she's going to die first. The touchy part is Bear, he is probably not going to let Sherri be part of the experiment. His sacrifice to serve Harry and betray his principles would be for nought if Sherri comes to any harm. I am sure he will disagree to let Sherri be part of the experiment. :p

So maybe my speculation wasn't spot-on, but my guess is that the situation will comes down to:

a) Bear got killed, but Sherri agrees to the experiment for her love.
b) Bear got killed, Sherri died while seeking revenge and became part of the experiment.
c) Bear got killed, Sherri seeks help from Grave and Dr Tokioka.
d) Sherri agrees to experiment, Bear don't mind. (quite unlikely)
e) Sherri died in some weak accident or illness and Harry just took her body. (quite unlikely)

Well maybe its my wishful thinking. Anyway, it might be better to let Grave work alone, he's usually a lone ranger anyway. No wait... its not even confimed that Sherri will be sperioled in the anime. :heh:

Those are possibilities. I'm just going by how the game panned out with each memebers of the syndicate and what happened between them and Grave seeing how the anime is so far following the game scenario to a T. The only major fluctuation would be that of sherry, but as stated, she was introduced to coincide with Gungrave OD.

[Seifer_us]

Let me just clear some things up:

Okay, I have a big character chart in front of me here from last month's Young King Hours. It shows that Sherry has joined up with the Corsione family, which is a rival mafia group of Millenion. It says here, in nice bright print, that the group is out to kill Grave. So there's your answer to that. Also, if you can read her profile on the web page, it even says she's betting everything on vengeance. Also, check here: http://red-universe.com/god/godmovie/index.html

That's the opening sequence for Gungrave O.D. In it, you can see a scene of Sherry pointing what looks like a crossbow at Grave. It's only there for about a second, but anyway, I think that's enough evidence. In conclusion, Grave will kill Bear and Harry, and Sherry will want revenge. Most likely, that can be 100% confirmed as "fact".

Oh, and if you want a higher quality Divx encode of the clip above, just e-mail or PM me.

Also, I found this on the AnimeonDVD forums and thought that many of you would be interested to hear it:

Re: Geneon - Gungrave: Brandon or Blandon? [Re: duckroll]

01/15/04 05:46 AM


duckroll said:
Just curious if there are any definite materials from Japan on this matter. It would seem to be "officially" Blandon in Japan at least as they actually CHANGED the opening animation to say BLANDON (ep4+) instead of BRANDON (ep1-3). A really odd choice, and Blandon also pops up in english at some other parts of the show.

Looking forward to the R1 release very much (sweetened all the more by the announcement that the DVD version will feature touched up animation ^__^) and was just wondering whether, if indeed it is Blandon, the dub will say Blandon too.

By the way... Blandon -is- apparently a real name (yes, hard to believe) and is different from Brandon which of course is a much more common name.

When I first noticed this, I asked Cindy Yamauchi, the animation director, about the change, and as always, she graciously responded...



Ah, the "Blandon" issue . I made a huge stink about that myself. You're correct, his name was Brandon for first couple of episodes. Then the game company claimed his name was spelled Blandon. Now, to me, that sounds like really bad Engrish...but we had no choice but to change the opening graphics to accomodate their request.

So...that's the sad story behind the sudden name change of the character.

This may not help in the case of Geneon, but apparently Madhouse was forced into it...

[Tboz]

Roger that. Thanks for clearing up. :D

Some questions though... Isn't Grave doing a big service to Corsione by eliminating Millenium?

Are they afraid that they will become Grave's next target thus they have decided to strike first? Yeeww... Blandon ? :twitch:

[Seifer_us]

Roger that. Thanks for clearing up. :D

Some questions though... Isn't Grave doing a big service to Corsione by eliminating Millenium?

Are they afraid that they will become Grave's next target thus they have decided to strike first?

Possibly. The second game takes place 3 years after Gungrave ends, so the Corsione family might have been, and probably were, small fries when Millenion went under. Of interesting note though, is that Corsione's adopted son (Garimo) was involved with the Necro-rise research when he was 10 years old... I should note that he was a child prodigy.

As for the second question, I haven't seen enough details just yet to know for sure just what the story will totally cover in O.D... Even the story summary on the website is extremely vague...

Side note: It feels really weird jumping back and forth between present and past tenses due to being at two time points in the series at the same time... @_@;;

I feel like I've been spoiling too much...

[westsideplaya]

Possibly. The second game takes place 3 years after Gungrave ends, so the Corsione family might have been, and probably were, small fries when Millenion went under. Of interesting note though, is that Corsione's adopted son (Garimo) was involved with the Necro-rise research when he was 10 years old... I should note that he was a child prodigy.

As for the second question, I haven't seen enough details just yet to know for sure just what the story will totally cover in O.D... Even the story summary on the website is extremely vague...

Side note: It feels really weird jumping back and forth between present and past tenses due to being at two time points in the series at the same time... @_@;;

I fell like I've been spoiling too much...

Not really, a majority of the people played the game and the anime and game created are the same so I doubt he would change it so much from the game seeing as the games story was hot, although very short. The Sherry thing was expected as I read the website info a awile ago and thats why I was trying to state that sherry is definitely bad in Gungrave OD

[Go-lytely]

Watching ep 18 makes me wonder how I would have felt if the creators just started the whole series from ep 2. What do you all think? Was the overall story more effectively served by the first ep or was it unnecessary?

[Caliban]

Watching ep 18 makes me wonder how I would have felt if the creators just started the whole series from ep 2. What do you all think? Was the overall story more effectively served by the first ep or was it unnecessary?I haven't watched ep.18 yet, but I can clearly say that I think they made a wise choice in choosing the way they displayed the episodes. I can't really explain why but all I can say is that their choice made the series have a progression out of the standardized norm. What I mean is that they chose to rather do one big flashback of 16 episodes(2nd to 17th ep.) than rather have flashbacks in each episode which would drag down the pace of the plot and action.

[westsideplaya]

Watching ep 18 makes me wonder how I would have felt if the creators just started the whole series from ep 2. What do you all think? Was the overall story more effectively served by the first ep or was it unnecessary?

No, that wouldnt work in the continuity and overall length of the anime. If he started there, hed barely gave enough material to make a 13 episode series unless he incorporated a whole nother level of story different from the game, but I would find that unlikely since he wrote the story for the game. Besides in the game, all we see is a flashback of when harry kills him and thats it for backstory. Its nice he fleshed out the backstory of how brandon became grave.

[Go-lytely]

No, that wouldnt work in the continuity and overall length of the anime. If he started there, hed barely gave enough material to make a 13 episode series unless he incorporated a whole nother level of story different from the game, but I would find that unlikely since he wrote the story for the game. Besides in the game, all we see is a flashback of when harry kills him and thats it for backstory. Its nice he fleshed out the backstory of how brandon became grave.

Err, I think you misunderstood my statement. I meant because ep 18 was almost exactly like ep 1 except for a few added scenes and editing, was it necessary to even have an episode 1. Why have ep 1 and then flashback for 17 eps when you could have just started the series with the story beginning in ep 2 and just go in chronological order. Was the story better served by telling it the way they did or not? That was my original point.

I guess this is considered the recap ep.

[Tboz]

The retelling from the beginning took at least 14-15 episodes before we actually see something related to episode 1 (the experiments). IMO, it had served its purpose of letting the audience have something to look forward too. Not that the whole retelling arc is boring, its just then the longer I have to wait, the more I want to see it. :heh:

[Caliban]

I just watched ep.18 and it was totally useless, just like Go-lytely mentioned they only added some more scenes at the end of episode 1, they also included some flashback memories from Brandon. I think they could've done something else with this episode, like explaining what is this Speriole technique and what changes in necro-rise did the doctor use on Brandon.

[Soul Bro Ryu]

Episode Descrips for upcoming eps!
Found in GameFAQS forum for "GunGrave O.D." where the series is also being discussed. An Import Newtype subscriber named "DarkLore" translates the upcoming ep descriptions and then posts them here: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=918787&topic=10928474&page=0

Enjoy!

Ep19 - SUPERIOR

Mika learns about Millennion and Brandon's past from Scott, the old informant. The heads of Millennion are holding a big party and Grave crashes it single-handedly. The party is in reality a trap for Harry to lure Grave into the open. Bob demonstrates the power of "Superior" and morphs to battle Grave...

Ep20 - BROTHER

Although they are hiding in the slums, Mika is discovered by a member of Millennion. Grave protects Mika and the two of them escape to the apartment where Maria used to live. It is there that Bunji is waiting...

Ep21 - DUTY

Dr.T takes Grave and Mika to the apartment where Widge and Gary live. At first they are shocked to see Grave but Mika explains to them all that has happened. Grave takes Widge's car to head toward Millennion alone while Mika stays in the apartment. But unknown to Grave, Lee and his assasins are already on their way to Widge's apartment...

Ep22 - REMORSE

Even though he knows it is a trap, Grave must confront Lee to save Mika. He heads to the subway station where he defeats an overwhelming number of Orgemen. Using Mika as a hostage, Lee assaults Grave again and again without resistance, but at that moment Dr.T appears and...

Ep 23 - DAUGHTER

Harry loses one loyal subordinate after another to Grave. The syndicate begins to lose their trust in Harry and plan a rebellion, but he purges all those not loyal to him before they can act. Bear remains ever loyal only because of his daughter who is completely in love with Harry.

BTW, the Raw Ep. 19 was golden. And to think, I was worried how the second half of the series was going to compare to the first. ^_^

[westsideplaya]

Err, I think you misunderstood my statement. I meant because ep 18 was almost exactly like ep 1 except for a few added scenes and editing, was it necessary to even have an episode 1. Why have ep 1 and then flashback for 17 eps when you could have just started the series with the story beginning in ep 2 and just go in chronological order. Was the story better served by telling it the way they did or not? That was my original point.

I guess this is considered the recap ep.

My bad, it was early and I wasnt really paying attention. But yeah, episode 1 in episode 18 should have been like 5 minutes at the most, and the grave vs. bob match should have took place in episode 18. As far as the storyline is going compared to the game it seems like the character designs are going to stay just like the game for when they superior-up, but the places and order in which they fight seems to be out of place for bob and bunji. Lee is in the right spot, but no word yet on Bear. It should go if I recall bob, lee, bunji, bear, big daddy, some big head monster thing, and then he takes care of harry.

[Soul Bro Ryu]

It should go if I recall bob, lee, bunji, bear.

You're close. It's Bob - Lee - Bear - Bunji. I finally went through the game a week ago, and with Bunji being the last of the Millenion Four, he was a bitch to beat. Good fight & great music though. ^_^

BTW, just because Bunji encounters Brandon in the next Ep. dosen't mean they get their full dukeroo on until after the proper order of boss succession. Out of the quartet, Bunji's fight will be the best one by far since in life him and Brandon were pretty closely matched.

DAUGHTER (Ep. 23) should be the episode where Sherry has her encounter with Beyond the Grave and with her destiny as his adversary in "O.D". Can't wait to play that game! ^_^

[westsideplaya]

You're close. It's Bob - Lee - Bear - Bunji. I finally went through the game a week ago, and with Bunji being the last of the Millenium Four, he was a bitch to beat. Good fight & great music though. ^_^

BTW, just because Bunji encounters Brandon in the next Ep. dosen't mean they get their full dukeroo on until after the proper order of boss succession. Out of the quartet, Bunji's fight will be the best one by far since in life him and Brandon we're pretty closely matched.

DAUGHTER (Ep. 23) should be the episode where Sherry has her encounter with Beyond the Grave and with her destiny as his adversary in "O.D". Can't wait to play that game! ^_^

yeah your right. I played the game long ago, but I do remeber that bunji was hard as hell to beat. The way the eps are structured after seeing 19 and from what the episode previews say on the website, it seems like hes after bob, then lee, then bear.

[thegreatjason]

http://red-universe.com/god/system/index.html
A few new movies were release of the new game. Quick question though, was the first Gungrave game(the one this anime is based on) released in the states? Just wondering

[Soul Bro Ryu]

Quick question though, was the first Gungrave game(the one this anime is based on) released in the states? Just wondering

Yep, and it's been out so long that it's priced like a Greatest Hits title, running new at most places for $19.99 or less. You're better off getting it second hand though, for as short as the game is. Unless you want to unlock all the Omake (which include character model displays disguised as an "Action Figure Collection"), or improve your stage ratings, that's about all the replay you'll get from this game. Still fun the first time going through though.

Let's hope there's more to "O.D." than what the first game had to offer. That is, if it comes here...

[Icehellion]

Seeing as Brandon lost some of his memory, I wonder if he will remember who killed him. Seeing as he keeps going on about protecting means not bretaying, then Harry says that Brandon has betrayed him again....I see a potential mind &*%$ for brandon. I don't know, i haven't played the game and i dont have a ps2 :sad:

[Yebyosh]

Episode 19 : Attack of the Flying Lard Bucket

:lol: The boss creature just killed me with laughter :lol:

[Prince of Chronics]

yeah... bob was pretty stupid looking... but I like this ep cuz of the violence... good ep, it was nice to see brandon kinda get his memories back...

I think I'm gonna get the first ps2 gungrave now...

[thegreatjason]

Wow, episode 19 kicked so much ass. When I started watching this show after the first episode I thought it would just be a shitty Trigun/Hellsing rip off, but this show has evolved into one of my favorite shows, all the emotion and twists in this show are phenomenal.

I can't wait till episode 20, I have very high hopes for Bunji vs. Brandon(Blandon, as they call him since like ep 5). I know it sounds wierd, but I LOVE the way all the episodes end, with a few lines at the end I always get goose bumps, and the ending theme is one of my favorites. Damn this show rocks.

[Icehellion]

Oh man, Bob's transformation is funny

[Soul Bro Ryu]

Just finished watching Ep. 20, and I gotta know if it's just me or...

...is Bunji still alive?! Jesus, after the beating Brandon gave him I'd be suprised if he did survive...

BTW, is there anyone up here that has at least rough understanding of Japanese and are watching the raws? This ep had a lot of conversation and I was wondering if anyone could give us the gist of some of the finer points of dialogue of this episode. Especially...

...when Brandon reminisces about Maria & when Mika pleads for Bunji to spare Brandon.

I'm probably asking for too much, but I think it's better than causing the good folks that translate these eps any grief by asking when we'll see them translated. If push comes to shove, I'll just have to be patient. ^_^

[LinChoiSin]

i discovered GG last week and after seeing the 19 th episode i 'm hooked,it's one of my favorite anime so far but there are 2 things that i don't quite understand the first being why Brandon gave way to Big Daddy concerning Maria and why did Maria had a child with BD given the fact that she was supposed to be in love with Brandon,of course there are reasons but i really don't like this part of the story(BD is too old and too soft).I also don't really understand why Bear followed Harry when it was obvious that he would betray the syndicate and BD.Anyway this show is a great one.

[Yebyosh]

i discovered GG last week and after seeing the 19 th episode i 'm hooked,it's one of my favorite anime so far but there are 2 things that i don't quite understand the first being why Brandon gave way to Big Daddy concerning Maria and why did Maria had a child with BD given the fact that she was supposed to be in love with Brandon,of course there are reasons but i really don't like this part of the story(BD is too old and too soft).I also don't really understand why Bear followed Harry when it was obvious that he would betray the syndicate and BD.Anyway this show is a great one. Welcome to the real world (or at least the pyschological plots in GunGrave are pretty real world based). Love is not a 'true' thing, just a balance of emotions. Saying that just because Brandon and Maria love each other, they must be together exist only in fairy tales and wishes.

Brandon gave up Maria due to his own insecurity and self-pity. Plus he is a good nice person. Yeah being good and nice means you'll always be trodden upon since you'll readily sacrifice yourself for others. In his view, he'll only give Maria grief, e.g. worries over him getting killed/maimed/disabled/crippled/etc, no respect (Mafia boss's wife - oooo, Mafia sweeper's wife - *low class harlot*) and not as much material comfort as Big Daddy can provide.

Also considering that he understands Big Daddy (similar personalities) very well, he empathizes with Big Daddy's love for Maria. So he is willing to give up his possible happiness for Maria & Daddy's happiness together. Brandon can accept giving up something so that two others can be happy.

Maria has affections for Big Daddy. Since she is overtly rejected by Brandon, there is a rebound factor involved as well in that fragile instant of moment. Let's just say that things were set up nicely for Daddy to step in and become entrenched in that husband position.

Bear follows because the only bright light left in the world for him, Sherry is following Harry. He also views Harry as the factor that allows the world for him and Sherry to exist in an agreeable state. Bear besides having a loyalty to the organization also knows that to eliminate Harry now would either:

a. get Bear killed and possibly bring grief to Sherry (or get her killed)
b. destabilize Millenium, resulting in gang wars, thus getting result a. as well

[Yebyosh]

Just finished watching Ep. 20, and I gotta know if it's just me or...

...is Bunji still alive?! Jesus, after the beating Brandon gave him I'd be suprised if he did survive...

BTW, is there anyone up here that has at least rough understanding of Japanese and are watching the raws? This ep had a lot of conversation and I was wondering if anyone could give us the gist of some of the finer points of dialogue of this episode. Especially...

...when Brandon reminisces about Maria & when Mika pleads for Bunji to spare Brandon.

I'm probably asking for too much, but I think it's better than causing the good folks that translate these eps any grief by asking when we'll see them translated. If push comes to shove, I'll just have to be patient. ^_^
I have a subbed version on hand, anyways I can understand the Japanese there enough to know what's going on so...

Mika goes "Please don't...". Bunji goes "Shaddup!!!". Repeat ad infiinitum.

Actually that was a ridiculous scene *lol*

It just makes me wonder if Bunji has so much pent-up emotions that a little girl could have made him lose his composure that much. Come on... other than losing all his self-discipline, how could the super hit-man miss a whiny petulent girl at less than 5 meters?

And Brandon/Grave

Remembering his friendship, then viciously pounding your friend to mulch? Ok... Bunji had asked him only why he betrayed Harry, why couldn't he just replied why. Instead he probably sent Bunji to the Institute for the Mentally Retarded at the best. Dead if worst. Well at least we know Harry is not going to get any lighter punishment if that's how Brandon treats his friends. *lol*

Ep21 seems to be a pause between the boss fights. Not much revealed by the preview monologue though.

[westsideplaya]

According to the website it seems that grave will fight lee in episode 22.

[Seifer_us]

Hmm... been a while since I've done any episode summaries... I'll probably do one for this upcoming Monday's (read: Tuesday morning... Gah. Annoying 1:30 a.m time slots) episode...

In other news... I get my first DVD w/ artbox tomorrow! Mwahahaha!!!! I'll be taking pictures of it to post here for all of you who care what it looks like. Oh, and check out what I bought a few days ago:

http://www.imageshack.us/files2/GGClearfiles&Card.jpg

Sorry for the glare on the image, but it's just some nifty little trinkets. I love the business card holder. I should note that the artwork on these is done by Shino Masanori, and not Yasuhiro Nightow. Also, everything is marked with this in English:

"I each hand he wields his matching handguns, "CERUBERUS", and on his back he carries a coffin filled with heavy weapons. Cloaked in darkness and smelling of the grave, he is back to kick ass!"

It's the same text that's above the Gungrave logo normally if you couldn't read it.

EDIT: Oooh... I knew that this existed, but I'd never seen it in action. Check this out: http://www.poseidon.co.jp/3F/cer/cer2.mpg ...and for about $250 dollars, this nifty airgun can be yours. The website actually has an overseas order form for this.

[Tboz]

Hmm... I'm still behind, watched till episode 19 only. And yeah attack of the flying lard bucket fits him perfectly. His transformed state is gross and ugly. That helicopter concept just don't tick. I hope the other big three will will look more menacing after transformation. Well, all the big four were part of the experiment right? Logic tells me that they all are, cause there won't be much of a fight if they are still human. :p

Seifer_us, those stuff you got there are cool. Btw, I know Ceruberus is the name for his pair of guns. But is there any name for the coffin? :D

[westsideplaya]

Hmm... I'm still behind, watched till episode 19 only. And yeah attack of the flying lard bucket fits him perfectly. His transformed state is gross and ugly. That helicopter concept just don't tick. I hope the other big three will will look more menacing after transformation. Well, all the big four were part of the experiment right? Logic tells me that they all are, cause there won't be much of a fight if they are still human. :p

Seifer_us, those stuff you got there are cool. Btw, I know Ceruberus is the name for his pair of guns. But is there any name for the coffin? :D


Only bob, lee, and bear participated. Bunji was all man when he fought brandon in ep 20, and as a result...

[LinChoiSin]

Welcome to the real world (or at least the pyschological plots in GunGrave are pretty real world based). Love is not a 'true' thing, just a balance of emotions. Saying that just because Brandon and Maria love each other, they must be together exist only in fairy tales and wishes.

Brandon gave up Maria due to his own insecurity and self-pity. Plus he is a good nice person. Yeah being good and nice means you'll always be trodden upon since you'll readily sacrifice yourself for others. In his view, he'll only give Maria grief, e.g. worries over him getting killed/maimed/disabled/crippled/etc, no respect (Mafia boss's wife - oooo, Mafia sweeper's wife - *low class harlot*) and not as much material comfort as Big Daddy can provide.

Also considering that he understands Big Daddy (similar personalities) very well, he empathizes with Big Daddy's love for Maria. So he is willing to give up his possible happiness for Maria & Daddy's happiness together. Brandon can accept giving up something so that two others can be happy.

Maria has affections for Big Daddy. Since she is overtly rejected by Brandon, there is a rebound factor involved as well in that fragile instant of moment. Let's just say that things were set up nicely for Daddy to step in and become entrenched in that husband position.

Bear follows because the only bright light left in the world for him, Sherry is following Harry. He also views Harry as the factor that allows the world for him and Sherry to exist in an agreeable state. Bear besides having a loyalty to the organization also knows that to eliminate Harry now would either:

a. get Bear killed and possibly bring grief to Sherry (or get her killed)
b. destabilize Millenium, resulting in gang wars, thus getting result a. as well
For me Brandon and Maria were meant to be together nothing were in they're way (except Brandon's logic )besides that you're perfectly right but at the end i still don't like the fact that BD was Maria's husband but that's just because i don't really like him,concerning Maria i still think that she let Brandon go too easily but in an other hand she always did what she was told.
As for Bear he was more loyal to his daughter than to BD that's a fact .

[Tboz]

About Brandon giving up Maria, do you all think part of the reason he made that decision was because he knew about Harry's secrets? I would think so and being Harry's old comrade, I think he understand him enough to have little hopes of Harry doing any good. He knew that a dogfight will come and he might have made the decision so that he can be assured Maria is protected.


Only bob, lee, and bear participated. Bunji was all man when he fought brandon in ep 20, and as a result... Hmm... I guess that sorta fits in with Bunji's character, the hard cold man that he is supposed to be. Thinking back, he didn't even join Millenium voluntarily. His pride is probably too strong to accept being part of a genetic experiment. I have abit of respect for that, hope it will be a good fight. :mad:

Just a thought, will Bear transform into a bear? :heh:

[hunterx]

About Brandon giving up Maria, do you all think part of the reason he made that decision was because he knew about Harry's secrets? I would think so and being Harry's old comrade, I think he understand him enough to have little hopes of Harry doing any good. He knew that a dogfight will come and he might have made the decision so that he can be assured Maria is protected.


Hmm... I guess that sorta fits in with Bunji's character, the hard cold man that he is supposed to be. Thinking back, he didn't even join Millenium voluntarily. His pride is probably too strong to accept being part of a genetic experiment. I have abit of respect for that, hope it will be a good fight. :mad:

Just a thought, will Bear transform into a bear? :heh:

giving maria up was the best thing he could have done. We all saw what big daddy turned into after he was with maria, a big softie. Brandon knew he couldn't live the life maria wanted him and her to live, not after becoming a hitman. Any relationship between them would have been a weak point for harry to exploit in the future if not earlier

[LinChoiSin]

giving maria up was the best thing he could have done. We all saw what big daddy turned into after he was with maria, a big softie. Brandon knew he couldn't live the life maria wanted him and her to live, not after becoming a hitman. Any relationship between them would have been a weak point for harry to exploit in the future if not earlier

i think that when Brandon Gave up Maria he wanted to follow Harry wholeheartfully and thought that he might get killed and that Maria would be in better hands with Bd which was perfect since Bd and Maria just fell for each other at that exact same time(i still can't stand it :) ) .Hopefully we know from the beginning that Brandon isn't really good at thinking otherwise he may have understood that when Harry kept on saying that he wanted to go to the top he really meant it Besides he should have realised that Bg was nothing without him !

[Soul Bro Ryu]

Just a thought, will Bear transform into a bear? :heh:

Actually, I couldn't tell you exactly what he turns into, and I wish the Gungrave website had pics up of the transformations you I could make it out once and for all. Guess we'll have to wait and see what he looks like in the show, or if I had time I could bust my ass and unlock him in the "Action Figures" mode in the game. ^_^

Bear actually has two forms, one that resembles some sort of beast that rocks machine guns and martial arts that are out of this world. Then when you beat that form, he transforms into a large motorized "Blue Arm" that rocket propels a gigantic fist and/or shockwaves at Grave. In the game it's a fun fight with a pattern that's not so hard to figure out. Hopefully the fight in the show is as insane, although I'm not to sure what to make of that second form. Kinda weird lookin'; as if one of the Nebraska Family from Trigun had lost an arm and then it came to life all it's own. Weird stuff I'd come to expect from Nightow...

[Soul Bro Ryu]

For those who have played through the game, have you noticed that there's no humungous tower that "supports the city" in the anime. In the game when they show the city for the first time, it's really hard to miss. I'm not sure in the game if that's seperate from the Millenion Tower that in the show, but in the game, that giant structure was said to have been there before the city was built. If it's not in the show, that's a BIG plot difference between the game and the series. That leads me to ask...

Will Grave fight "Alien Head" at the end of the series? I know he's destined to fight the "Necro-Rised" Big Daddy, but will "Alien Head" pop out of nowhere after that fight? Hell, they could have it that "Dr. Speriole" (I'm not sure what the scientist that made "Superior" is named) O.D.s on "Superior" and transforms into that. And what about the story angle that Harry was influenced to do the things he did thanks to the alien technology that was responsible for "Superior" & "Necro-Rise" in the first place. The tower in the game is supposed to be from remnants of an old alien race, and in turn I read somewhere that aliens come to control Harry as he comes to take control of Millenion.

Of course, that could all be bullshit, or just concepts they were throwing around when the game was being made. Clearly the only Tower in the middle of the city is the man-made Millenion Tower, and I think it's better looking to boot. I sure hope they don't scapegoat the ending or Harry's motives with that "alien-takeover" nonsense and leave it solely to his madness-riddled drive to find his definition of freedom. When Brandon ventilates MacDowel's crainum atop the Millenion Tower at the end of Ep. 26, I want to know it's a well-deserved end to a great tale of revenge and justice. Not the execution of a puppet of some "extra-terrestrials" behind the scenes. That would only cheapen the WHOLE series.

Guess we'll find out soon enough...

[Seifer_us]

Well, I haven't gotten around to doing an episode summary of 21 yet, but I will eventually. Until then, here's some pictures of the R2 Box:

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[Soul Bro Ryu]

Hot Damn! Look like it ain't over yet!

Bunji DID survive! And he'll probably be Brandon's last obstacle before he reaches the showdown at the tower. Just wished the animation budget in Ep. 21 was a lot better. It's almost as bad as Trigun in some parts...

[Seifer_us]

Just wished the animation budget in Ep. 21 was a lot better. It's almost as bad as Trigun in some parts...

My sentiments exactly. Reusing sequences (even on different backgrounds) that have already been used in 2 previous episodes (1,18), is a serious no-no in my book. Hopefully this will all look much nicer when/if it's redone for the DVD release.

Oh, and I forgot to note that the scene with Jolice in episode 2 is a bit more gruesome on the DVD version. *nudges the fansub watchers towards the nice, shiny DVDs* They're worth every penny people!

[Go-lytely]

My sentiments exactly. Reusing sequences (even on different backgrounds) that have already been used in 2 previous episodes (1,18), is a serious no-no in my book. Hopefully this will all look much nicer when/if it's redone for the DVD release.

Oh, and I forgot to note that the scene with Jolice in episode 2 is a bit more gruesome on the DVD version. *nudges the fansub watchers towards the nice, shiny DVDs* They're worth every penny people!

The First Gungrave DVD hits America on 7/6/04 as well as the first Ippo DVD and the week before is the first ROD TV dvd. The ole credit card is going to see some activity that month.

[aFlipGuy]

i love this series, it just hit my number one list and i will be buying dvd's when it comes out @_@ but so far away i might just buy the hong kong versions ^_^

[Yebyosh]

Episode 22...

Lee: How dare you...
Lee: How dare you...
Lee: How dare you...
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Mika: Stop please!
Mika: Stop please!
Mika: Stop please!

Boy at this rate, I can predict how Episode 23 will be...

Bear: For Sherry! Forgive me...
Bear: For Sherry! Forgive me...
Bear: For Sherry! Forgive me...
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Mika: Wait!
Mika: Wait!
Mika: Wait!

:p

Anyway... Brandon (Blandon if you believe the newspaper at 02:05 min. It's propaganda I tell ya! :p) offs Lee.

Another of Brandon's associates dies.

The potrayal that Harry is unrepentent over his doings is pleasing to me. Especially since there is a hint of regret over his killing of Brandon. Nice character conflict for him. Other than that however it seems the ending stages of this series holds no pieces that were as enticing to me for the early to middle stages. It really seems like they are ending with a trite formula. Set up the fight, go into the fight, have that enemy-Mika routine, kill boss, next!

[Seifer_us]

Set up the fight, go into the fight, have that enemy-Mika routine, kill boss, next!

Isn't that what happens in most revenge movies after the reason for it is explained?

This year Grave will... Kill Bill :heh:

... or rather, Kill Harry.

By the way, I now have an autographed copy of Gungrave O.D.!!! WOOOOOTT!!!!!! I'll edit this post later with more details after I get back from dinner...

[Yebyosh]

Isn't that what happens in most revenge movies after the reason for it is explained?

This year Grave will... Kill Bill :heh:

... or rather, Kill Harry.

By the way, I now have an autographed copy of Gungrave O.D.!!! WOOOOOTT!!!!!! I'll edit this post later with more details after I get back from dinner...
Bah... Gungrave the anime doesn't have the over-the-top goriness/bloodiness of Kill Bill to make it so corny that its enjoyable. :D

What attracted me to this series was seeing the two of them going through thick & thin together. Finally they start to succeed but one of them starts to get corrupted by the power, go mad and finally kill his only true friend because of a huge misunderstanding. :p

[Seifer_us]

Bah... Gungrave the anime doesn't have the over-the-top goriness/bloodiness of Kill Bill to make it so corny that its enjoyable. :D

Just a fun parallel, that's all...

Anywho, like I said, I now am the proud owner of Gungrave O.D. That's great in and of itself, but what's really great, is the story of how I got it...

Well, as a good portion of you might know, two days ago in the great Electric Town of Akihabara, there was a Gungrave event. Now, this was no ordinary event, because the first 100 customers to bring a reciept for Gungrave O.D. to the Sega GIGO building would be given a ticket. This ticket granted the recipient a chance to see the great Yasuhiro Nightow in person and attend a signature session.

Now, being the fan (i.e. I buy everything Nightow like it's goin' out of style) that I am. I decided that I would attempt to be one of those 100. So, I grabbed my copy of NIghtow's, "Little Sandy with Monsters in the Megaforest" and proceeded to make my way (at 5:00 in the morning!) to the Asobit City in Akihabara, which upon my arrival, I found to be vacant of any and all lifeforms. I decided to check out the GIGO and lo-and-behold there were 5 others besides myself waiting to get in. I noticed that none of them had purchased the game yet, and it seemed a bit curious, but I talked to them for a bit and found that they were there for the other event... A chance to win one of Grave's guns, the Ceruberus'. Well, the thought of having that (and noticing the small amount of people waiting) made me decide to stay there and wait it out and talk with them some more... I also showed them my copy of "Little Sandy" and they couldn't believe that an American knew about it, let alone owned it. :heh:

About 3 hours later, a Sega staff member came and greeted us (all 15 of us, by that time)... with tickets! No purchase necessary for us early birds! Now we had quite a bit of time to blow before the show was set to start at 4:00 P.M., so we all went out on a crusade to grab our copies of O.D (which came with a poster). After coming back to the GIGO at around 10:30, we got another treat. We were allowed to spin the roulette (can't think of a better word in English for this) before the prize event was supposed to take place, and I was up first... and lost. But, I still walked away with another poster and a bandana... which was what ALL of us ended up walking away with, unfortunately... *sigh*.

So, time passed and finally the descisive hour came. Yasuhiro Nightow was there, right in front of us, and I had a front row view! After a long question and answer segment with him and Toru Kubo (Anime and O.D. producer), we were allowed to bring our items up to both of them to sign. I walked away with signed copies of Gungrave O.D., Trigun manga Vol. 1, "Little Sandy", and a handshake from Nightow. Needless to say, I had a pretty damn good day...

THE END

Well, now that you've read my raving, I'll try to give the game a bit of a review for those who are wondering. I might be a bit biased, but here goes...

Ratings on a 1 - 5 scale:

Graphics: 4 - The Cel Shading is largely improved over the first game and works extremely well for the cut scenes, but the gameplay graphics suffer a bit of the same old problems. There's often too much action going on to really tell it, though, so it doesn't really detract from the game at all.

Control: 4 - A much improved control system from the first game, having brought in a new combo system that uses your coffin/swords/guitar, and also the ability to knock certain projectiles back at their senders if timed right. The pace of the game also moves much faster than the first, and Grave no longer feels like he's lurching everywhere.

Music: 3 - A 3?? Yes, for only one reason. There is no new music to be found here. All of the music in the game was either in the first game, or in the anime, and it's even accounted for in the credits. While it's great music and it fits very well during the game, I would have preferred some new original music from Imahori.

Gameplay: 5 - The sheer fun of being able to run through stages blowing up absolutely everything with very large projectile weapons can be matched by very few games. I'm on my second time through (this time with Jyuji) and it's still just a blast to play through. The levels are pretty diverse and offer up many different kinds of enemies to blast away at. One more thing... I LOVE the deathblows!!

Story: 3 - I warn you, I spoil quite a bit here, save a very few things, don't click unless you REALLY just HAV'TA know..A now 17 year old Mika Asagi brings Grave back to life in order to take down the evil Corsione family, who have created "seed" which is almost like a new form of the Necro-rise. Grave goes. Grave shoots. Billy and Jyuji help. People from the first game show up... and die again. Grave turns into a Super Saiyan (I kid you not... he's only missing the blond hair...). Corsione's kid, Garino, made a bunch of clones and the little kid Spike is one of them. Garino kills his dad. Mika almost becomes an orcman/orcwoman/whatever. Sherry tries to get revenge for her father and husband... and fails. Garino gets his ass handed to him. The End. Not exactly revolutionary, but not bad either.

And that's it! As for me... I love it. It's really just too fun and addicting to pass up. Highly Reccomended.

That's all I've got for you... Well, just one more thing... In episode 22, don't you guys think Lee looked an awful lot like Hellsing's Alucard when he was in his anime Superior-form?

[Jimbob]

How long was the game, and how was the difficulty?

[Bunk]

Story: 3 - I warn you, I spoil quite a bit here, save a very few things, don't click unless you REALLY just HAV'TA know

Sounds like a good, exciting story line, and maybe It's because I'm partial, but I believe it would provide great groundwork for a second season.

And wow!!! You got his autograph and everything?? Great day is right!! I'm so jealous! I can't wait for the Gungrave DVDs to come out in July. This one I'm absolutely supporting when it gets stateside.

I had hoped that Bear wouldn't fight Brandon in the end, since he seems to be the only one of the five that had a shred of integrity left. Can't blame a guy for looking out for his daughter, right? Though I imagine Harry's sole interest in Sherry was to force Bear's loyalty. Otherwise, Bear would have made VERY short work of him the second he got a betrayal vibe.

I don't believe for a second that Harry even has the capacity to "love". He traded those sentiments in when he joined Millenion.

[Seifer_us]

How long was the game, and how was the difficulty?

It took me about 4 hours my first time through with Grave, probably will be much shorter this time through, though. The difficulty, I think, is just a bit above the level of the first one.

Sounds like a good, exciting story line, and maybe It's because I'm partial, but I believe it would provide great groundwork for a second season.

I can't wait for the Gungrave DVDs to come out in July. This one I'm absolutely supporting when it gets stateside.

Yeah, I also like the storyline myself, but I think that a casual fan isn't going to enjoy it as much as we might. I love the character interaction between Grave, Jyuji, and Billy, and the story has it's really high points. It's just the fact that it feels really constrained for the amount of time the game takes to play through and it also feels a great deal like the first game, only with less of a revenge aspect looming overhead. It's also a bit brighter and (with the addition of Billy and Jyuji) a bit more humorous as well, which sort of moves away from the dark atmosphere that the anime and previous game have set up. I still think it's great , but it's hard to match up to the fantastic story provided in the anime. If they did create a second season of the anime it would be great. I really think the story would work better if told in that medium, rather than just in a 4 hour game. I felt the same way about the first game as well, and... well, my wish came true!

Thanks for supporting! If it does well enough we might very well get that second season. :)

EDIT: Checked out your site Bunk. There's some nice fan art in there. I like the Trigun section, but... Knives and Meryl? :twitch: I gotta' read this...

[Yebyosh]

I don't believe for a second that Harry even has the capacity to "love". He traded those sentiments in when he joined Millenion.
"Love" is not restricted to the people that are considered "good". Whatever it is, Harry might have affections for Sherry. Even though his primary aim was to cement his alliance with Morgan and increase his power base, if he had affections for Sherry, it is a bonus.

Harry is a Machiavelian figure here. His principles and morals can be disputed and argued but that doesn't mean he doesn't have emotions (even though he is crazy now).

[Bunk]

"Love" is not restricted to the people that are considered "good". Whatever it is, Harry might have affections for Sherry. Even though his primary aim was to cement his alliance with Morgan and increase his power base, if he had affections for Sherry, it is a bonus.

Harry is a Machiavelian figure here. His principles and morals can be disputed and argued but that doesn't mean he doesn't have emotions (even though he is crazy now).

:argue:
heh. just kidding. How about some objective expounding on the subject, just for fun? I love this show.

Love is selfless. Harry is not. Sure he can feel affection. He felt it for Brandon, and I'm sure he could feel it for Sherry. But love? No way. This is Harry McDowel, here. One dog, one bone. I'd be inclined to believe he'd give Sherry up in a heartbeat if he thought she was slowing him down. Sure it would sting, but I still could see his character doing it.

And Machiavelian means amoral. Harry's not amoral. He's immoral - his motives are to reach his skewed vision of freedom. It's still all about him. Not about maintaining a strong healthy society by virtue of a wise governship.

Going after the wife and child of the prior mafia boss 13 years after the fact - even though neither had done a thing to undermine his power in all this time, posing no threat by living whatsoever - was immoral. NOW - had Maria been secretly spreading propaganda this whole time against him, then his actions in taking her out would have been Machiavelian.

But Harry's just warped. He's lost his dignity, which will make it all the more sweet when Brandon puts the smack down. :P

[Yebyosh]

Love is selfless. Harry is not. Sure he can feel affection. He felt it for Brandon, and I'm sure he could feel it for Sherry. But love? No way. This is Harry McDowel, here. One dog, one bone. I'd be inclined to believe he'd give Sherry up in a heartbeat if he thought she was slowing him down. Sure it would sting, but I still could see his character doing it.
I would disagree. Just because you love someone doesn't mean you would not hurt them. Love does not conquer other emotions or necessities. Harry killed Brandon in his moment of hate & insanity. I believed he definitely loved Brandon as a brother then. Who is to say that Harry doesn't love Sherry now? Anyone can love. How much they can love is another issue.

And Machiavelian means amoral. Harry's not amoral. He's immoral - his motives are to reach his skewed vision of freedom. It's still all about him. Not about maintaining a strong healthy society by virtue of a wise governship.
Well Machiavelian is applied to his methods "The ends justify the means." not his role. Harry was not fighting to become a ruler. Rather he wanted "freedom" for him & others who wish to follow him to that. For that, Harry has aspects of this. But I do have to agree that many of his objectives are purely for personal reasons.

[LinChoiSin]

I would disagree. Just because you love someone doesn't mean you would not hurt them. Love does not conquer other emotions or necessities. Harry killed Brandon in his moment of hate & insanity. I believed he definitely loved Brandon as a brother then. Who is to say that Harry doesn't love Sherry now? Anyone can love. How much they can love is another issue.

i honestly don't think Harry loves Sherry but we have no informations concerning this matter .Nothing tells us that he doesn't love her either.

Well Machiavelian is applied to his methods "The ends justify the means." not his role. Harry was not fighting to become a ruler. Rather he wanted "freedom" for him & others who wish to follow him to that. For that, Harry has aspects of this. But I do have to agree that many of his objectives are purely for personal reasons.
i think that Harry 's objectives are not so selfish because at the beginning he wanted to avenge his comrades of course after that he kinda lost it but i think that power and craziness made him forget why he was fighting for at the beginning.

[Bunk]

i think that Harry 's objectives are not so selfish because at the beginning he wanted to avenge his comrades of course after that he kinda lost it but i think that power and craziness made him forget why he was fighting for at the beginning.

Oh, Harry was great at first. Remember at the cemetery right before Millenion recruited them? The gansters had Brandon, and Harry could have run away. But he didn't. He'd sooner face death than turn his back on his friend.

He even still had a shred of humanity left when he tattled on Cid for not turning his son in - resulting in Bear going out there to execute his only friend. Harry flinched at that.

One of the best things about this anime is the development of the characters. I LOVE that part about it. Both Harry's and Brandon's journey are SO fascinating to watch, because they evolve into entirely different people - one, finding his place in life, and the other utterly corrupted by power.

I just sent the first four eps to my friend in Argentina, and she was hooked immediately, wanting the rest so she could see how this down and out, street rat mute - Brandon Heat - could possibly turn into the Death Incarnate that she saw in the first episode. It's great stuff I tell ya!

And Yebyosh. :) I think what it comes down to is that our definitions of "love" are entirely different. Mine is a more biblical interpretation. Equated with charity, and all that. Selfless. Like Brandon's love for Maria, and Big Daddy. He loved them more than he loved himself, and knew they could find happiness with each other. THAT'S the love I'm talkin' about.

(though I half-wonder if Maria would have been better-equipped to be the wife of an assassin than Brandon gave her credit for! I mean, she hardly hesitated to go and kill Harry when she found out he'd killed Brandon!)

[LinChoiSin]

One of the best things about this anime is the development of the characters. I LOVE that part about it. Both Harry's and Brandon's journey are SO fascinating to watch, because they evolve into entirely different people - one, finding his place in life, and the other utterly corrupted by power.

it seems to me that both of them found they're place in life because Harry has a clear objective and is willing to do everything it takes to reach it!of course he 's a madman so his case is not the same as Brandon's.

And Yebyosh. :) I think what it comes down to is that our definitions of "love" are entirely different. Mine is a more biblical interpretation. Equated with charity, and all that. Selfless. Like Brandon's love for Maria, and Big Daddy. He loved them more than he loved himself, and knew they could find happiness with each other. THAT'S the love I'm talkin' about.

Love is a very complex thing and there are all kinds of love besides love can make men do everything.

i don't know what you guys think but personally i 'm not a huge fan of Brandon of course he's a very good guy but when i think about it he really betrayed Harry (though one can argue that Harry betrayed him first by fullfilling his doubtfull ambitions) Bear,Baldabird Lee and Bob on the opposite stayed with Harry till the end.Of course at the end everybody 's gonna die so it doesn't make any difference!

[adachis]

I know these episodes have aired, but have they been subbed yet? GotWoot Network is where I've been going but they only list up through 20. Is AnimeOne behind or are they just not posted. If there's a better place to get the torrent files (other than IRC, which I can't stand) can someone let me know?


Thank you!
Adam

[ShinDragon]

Since it's licensed..... you can't really ask for where to DL.

[adachis]

It was licensed? That sucks. I hope the DVDs are coming soon...

[Go-lytely]

It was licensed? That sucks. I hope the DVDs are coming soon...

It was licensed before the show even aired. The first dvd comes out in early July.

[Soul Bro Ryu]

If it turns out that we have to wait for the domestics, I guess I'll have to settle for the Raw versions for now. It's sad though since we were only 6 eps from the end. Maybe they're still being translated, but are available through other means. Then again, word of that would spread by now (not here, of course). Sucks that we'll have to wait until possibly next year before we have a clear cut translation of what happens in the last episodes.

But what of Anime-One's other releases? I know Paranoia Agent is licensed, but Gokusen isn't, and yet I have seen nothing of all three since the last P.A. #4, GG #20, and Gokusen #6. Hope the group isn't in legal woes, but it could be a possibility...

As for episode 23:

The Sherry montage at the climax really stole the show. Not only did that little clip show have more animation than the fight scene that preceded it, the mood, music, and unspoken sentiment behind it were outstanding. Who would have known that Episode #8 would have been a serious prelude/forshadowing to Bear's end, and how much it would parallel Sid Garalde's. I'm ashamed I didn't catch on way back then but pleasantly suprised at the same time.

Peace out, Bear.

P.S.: Scope out Sherry's teddy. Despite the sentiment of that montage, that's the funniest damn thing I've seen in the show. I wonder if they'll market that? ^_^

Gaddamn, I love this show...

[Go-lytely]

If it turns out that we have to wait for the domestics, I guess I'll have to settle for the Raw versions for now. It's sad though since we were only 6 eps from the end. Maybe they're still being translated, but are available through other means. Then again, word of that would spread by now (not here, of course). Sucks that we'll have to wait until possibly next year before we have a clear cut translation of what happens in the last episodes.

But what of Anime-One's other releases? I know Paranoia Agent is licensed, but Gokusen isn't, and yet I have seen nothing of all three since the last P.A. #4, GG #20, and Gokusen #6. Hope the group isn't in legal woes, but it could be a possibility...


I'm sure its one of those delays that happens to fansub groups every once in a while. Aone has no qualms about doing licensed series unless its an ADV series.

[Soul Bro Ryu]

I should have done my homework before speculating...

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=123015#post123015

you know .... lots of people are asking this. It's starting to get annoying. We have had at least 2 flooders in aone main today who flooded things like "I WANT GUNGRAVE 21 GODDAMMIT" or "where's gungrave 21" over and over again. It made me want to smash them, but since it's irc and not real life, I couldn't smash them and had to settle for banning them for an indeterminate amount of time. Anyway ...

Short answer: yes. We're still doing it.

Long answer: yes, but since I'm not caught up on it I don't feel comfortable making it move myself. I'm filling in for like 4 other people right now, whose jobs all happen to be the same... so basically since they all went on vacation or just randomly disappeared all at the same time, it's kinda rough keeping up. That's the whole source of our slowdown right now, we had like 11 things piled up waiting for the same step in the process...

If I still have time and mental energy after these last 2 eps (or depending on a certain bodyguard/encoder, maybe 3 eps), I might decide to say "screw it" and head over there too, which could (in theory, maybe) bring out another 2 eps of that series too... but it really depends...

I'll just have to be patient that's all. BTW, anyone disappointed by the fact that MadHouse has decided to animate most of the latter half of this series like crap? I was thinking that all the major fights would have been animated like the Poundmax battle, but the other throwdowns with Bunji, Lee, & Bear have been less than stunning. I know they are hard at work on Paranoia Agent, but it's a poor business practice when the show you're contracted to do first get's shortchanged in frame quality when new projects appear.

That may not be exactly the case, and maybe they're conserving the series budget for the finale, but this many poorly animated episodes in a row makes me less impressed with MadHouse than when this series first started. I'd like to think this will be rectified with re-drawn scenes for the DVD releases, but I won't hold my breath...

[WLC]

First message.

I have to comment on the Gungrave OD game. I gotta admit, this game was a bit longer than I expected, but it definately was good (and a wee bit harder as well). I gotta admit, its kinda weird seeing Brandon and Mika in this one after watching the anime to where it is currently. For one thing, Brandon is back to his basically emotionless self from GG 1, and Mika is actually pretty tough compared to her whiny self in the anime (but I do like her though).

More on the game, the story is definately a step up from Gungrave 1. Lots and lots of conversation scenes, and I found them all quite interesting. Lots of nice scenes, though I felt as if they just threw some parts in for the heck of it (*cough* such as THAT fight).

It was all good though, and I really hope it does well enough to warrant another one in the series.

[Seifer_us]

(*cough* such as THAT fight).

Which fight? One of these?

The big Bear/Bob/Lee monster fight?
The Bunji fight?
The Insane Super-Saiyan Grave vs. Garino fight?
The stupidly inane first boss fight?

I've played it through with Grave, Billy, and Jyuji now, but oddly enough, Jyuji and Billy's stats for their clear game didn't show up on the data page. Their Jackpot score is still there, but everything else shows "0". The only thing I can think of is that I changed the option for shot range before I started their games. I was pretty sad too, because I got mostly 9's on my skull rankings... :(

[MrMonkey]

heh, seifer, that pic of wolfwood in your sig looks kinda like Bunji :)

[WLC]

Spoilers


At first I was talking about the fight with Bunji, but now that I think about it, the fight with the overkill forms of the Millenion heads felt just thrown in there. It was cool though, just awkward, and felt kinda out of place.

On gameplay matters, do you know of any secret technique for finishing the final boss quickly? That slow-mo on me was HELL, seeing Grave take like 15 or so seconds to fall and get up. Also,about Garino's last conversation when you beat him, what is he talking about? Something about helping someone I think?)

[Bunk]

As for episode 23:

The Sherry montage at the climax really stole the show. Not only did that little clip show have more animation than the fight scene that preceded it, the mood, music, and unspoken sentiment behind it were outstanding. Who would have known that Episode #8 would have been a serious prelude/forshadowing to Bear's end, and how much it would parallel Sid Garalde's. I'm ashamed I didn't catch on way back then but pleasantly suprised at the same time.

Peace out, Bear.

P.S.: Scope out Sherry's teddy. Despite the sentiment of that montage, that's the funniest damn thing I've seen in the show. I wonder if they'll market that? ^_^



Yes. I rewatched that clip three times. :)
And Bear's still a stud, even as an old man. I went through taking screen shots of him out of the anime for a Bear pic page (he's my fav, can you tell?), and after several episodes, I realized that his primary job in this anime is to just look cool. :P

Where the others seem to have forgone their humanity for the sake of power, Bear retained it by virue of his affection for his daughter. In that montage, his hidden side - a side only Sherry had probably ever seen - made him totally dimensional.

In the episode where Bear starts to train Brandon to be an assassin, he asked Brandon 'why' he did it...why he killed for Millennion. Brandon's answer was, "For the same reason as you, I suppse." (or something like that) Which signified that Bear was in it to protect the people he cared about. Not for power. Not for prestige. Which has set him apart.

Back then, Brandon stepped in and killed Cid so Bear wouldn't have to take out his best friend. It's almost kind of a pity that Bear couldn't return the favor when Brandon had to take out Harry. Neither Brandon nor Bear could bring themselves to kill a friend - an integrity that they shared in common.

I can't wait to see what Bear was saying in that ep. :) Did he know that Harry had plotted to kill Big Daddy? Did it matter to him? Did he suspect he'd die? Did he feel Brandon was justified in seeking revenge? He always seemed so much wiser and controlled than everyone else. His take on the whole situation will be fascinating, I'm sure.

[Seifer_us]

Spoilers


At first I was talking about the fight with Bunji, but now that I think about it, the fight with the overkill forms of the Millenion heads felt just thrown in there. It was cool though, just awkward, and felt kinda out of place.

On gameplay matters, do you know of any secret technique for finishing the final boss quickly? That slow-mo on me was HELL, seeing Grave take like 15 or so seconds to fall and get up. Also,about Garino's last conversation when you beat him, what is he talking about? Something about helping someone I think?)

Well...

Just keep using your 3rd from the top demolition shot (level 1, so you don't waste demolition shot rounds, even though they refill automatically in this fight), the one that causes slow-mo for Grave. In this case, it changes everything back to normal. Use it again and Garino will be at a disadvantage (of course, it can go back and forth between the two of you, since he can do this as well). I can usually finish both forms in about 8 minutes. After Garino throws the anti-seed to Grave he says something along the lines of, "You showed me... a... good... fight. You can use that to save the girl..." "Can you... believe... me?" *dies* Jyuji says, "Yeah, I believe you."

I can't remember exactly word for word what he says since I haven't played in a couple of days, but I'm pretty sure it was along those lines. Actually, I've been giving serious thought to doing a translation of the game, but that's a pretty big hassle. If anybody want's to see it done, then let me know, so I can know if it'll be worth my time.


heh, seifer, that pic of wolfwood in your sig looks kinda like Bunji

Doesn't he, though? :heh:

[WLC]

Wow... your thinking about doing a translation? Like just a basic sysnopsis of the scenes, or are you actually thinking about translating each and everyline from the story intermissions? When I think back to it, there was a WHOLE lot of conversation in that game.
It would be cool though, as their were a few parts I didn't get.

On gameplay matters again, do you think this game has some major slow down and fps drops? The first playthrough I thought it was pretty annoying. I'm on my second time through and it doesn't bother me as much now, but their are some parts where it gets pretty bad.

[Yebyosh]

Episode 23 : Daughters

Seems like nobody can get a good raw to work on? My regular fansub which has usually produced good quality 180++MBs now only has a 150MB production. A lot of blurry cloudiness here. The last half is all too dark (as in black). Maybe that explains the drop in size (pitch dark is more compact eh?)

Anyways it is still the ole wham bham nothing great yada yada yada...

I can't wait to see what Bear was saying in that ep. :) Did he know that Harry had plotted to kill Big Daddy? Did it matter to him? Did he suspect he'd die? Did he feel Brandon was justified in seeking revenge? He always seemed so much wiser and controlled than everyone else. His take on the whole situation will be fascinating, I'm sure.
Well, I already answered this subject on another forum when it was episode 18 and it seems I was right :p. To answer your questions...

He doesn't care. He knows Harry did in Daddy but *shrug*. Yes. Yes.

About Harry & Bear,
It seems that Harry knows what Bear was planning since in the restaurant, he had that dirty look when Bear got the call and left. Harry does value Bear. He didn't look too pleased (and a bit sad) when he revealed Bear's death to Sherry (this might give credence to him having some feelings for Sherry).

Bear is just a teddy bear (pun intended) to his daughter.

[Jimbob]

I just watched 23 RAW, and i can already tell it's a good episode, even if it's not subbed yet. However i'm kinda sad on how little they've used from the game's story in the show. Granted, they have to structure it differently to add tension and all, but the settings and mutant forms are all different in the show. Although i have to say Bear's Speriole form was pretty unique looking.

[Seifer_us]

Wow... your thinking about doing a translation? Like just a basic sysnopsis of the scenes, or are you actually thinking about translating each and everyline from the story intermissions? When I think back to it, there was a WHOLE lot of conversation in that game.
It would be cool though, as their were a few parts I didn't get.

On gameplay matters again, do you think this game has some major slow down and fps drops? The first playthrough I thought it was pretty annoying. I'm on my second time through and it doesn't bother me as much now, but their are some parts where it gets pretty bad.

Yeah, I'd be doing every, single, tiny line of dialouge. I don't like leaving things half-way done... :heh:

As for slow down... I've never noticed it. :confused:

[Yebyosh]

Although i have to say Bear's Speriole form was pretty unique looking.
Actually it is out of place. It would fit in more with a mythological setting. And check out those nostalgic 70's robo flying fists!

[outlaw97]

Hi there, first post here - Seifer, if you're interested in translating, I can help by providing screencaps of the dialogue screens, which should eliminate some tediousness. Anyways, let me know, since while I have a vague understanding of Jyuji's story, I have no idea what's up with Billy ^_^;;


And for any who's interested, there's some discussion about GG OD on the gamefaqs messageboard for it:

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/gentopic.asp?board=918787

Now, if I could just get off my lazy butt and bring back my gungrave.net site...


Yeah, I'd be doing every, single, tiny line of dialouge. I don't like leaving things half-way done... :heh:

As for slow down... I've never noticed it. :confused:

[Seifer_us]

Hi there, first post here - Seifer, if you're interested in translating, I can help by providing screencaps of the dialogue screens, which should eliminate some tediousness. Anyways, let me know, since while I have a vague understanding of Jyuji's story, I have no idea what's up with Billy ^_^;;


And for any who's interested, there's some discussion about GG OD on the gamefaqs messageboard for it:

http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/gentopic.asp?board=918787

Now, if I could just get off my lazy butt and bring back my gungrave.net site...

OOooh... That would be very nice if you could do that for me. I haven't been playing recently as I've been busy packing up to head home. There's really not that much to poor Billy... *sigh* He was practically my favorite character up until I got the game...

I tried to register on the GameFAQs boards a while back, but for some reason, my ISP was denied... It would bother me, if only I weren't leaving in two days. :heh:

[WLC]

Wow... screencaps of every single dialogue scene? Whew... good luck.

You've never experienced slow down? Strange.......... that's all I constantly experience. Anytime things get extremely massive on screen (basically 80% of the game), then things crawl to a snail's pace for me.

Or maybe that's a good thing, seeing as hard mode is so unmerciful.

[Outrage]

Does anybody know the name of the other guy in Young DOgs?
There was Jolice, Kenny, Harry and Brandon. Whats the name of the other guy in their gang?

[Jimbob]

Wow, episode 24 is really really good. It's depressing, emotional, and it has the best action sequence in the whole series.

[Yebyosh]

whoa... a soft whoa describes what I think of ep24.

It is a throwback to the earlier 18 episodes. It is that good. It wasn't the Bunji-Brandon fight, it was the plot here (and Harry) that's good.

A real shocker in the plot here especially if we believe certain non-anime information to be true. This shocker also serves to prove that Harry is not as demonic as what some people had jumped to do so.

BIG spoiler. Do not read if you do not want to be spoilt. Really, it is a critical spoiler IMO.
Sherry gets shot and dies in Harry's arms.

Then there is Brandon's condition that makes you wonder if there's going to be a twist in the ending...

[dreamless]

yup, episode 24 is really sad, I kinda feel sorry for Harry and Bunji

when Sherry died in Harry's arms and when Bunji dissolved into nothingness as that little cat came for him... *sniff* *sniff*

Also

The conditions of Brandon and Mika don't appear too well... although this TV series is supposed to be advertising for the Gungrave OD game thus many people assume Brandon will not perish in it, I guess now we can hope for a better twist for a great sad ending as the game has already been out and proven to be a failure... :p

[Jimbob]

Also

The conditions of Brandon and Mika don't appear too well... although this TV series is supposed to be advertising for the Gungrave OD game thus many people assume Brandon will not perish in it, I guess now we can hope for a better twist for a great sad ending as the game has already been out and proven to be a failure... :p

Haha. Ouch. Also...

I like how the cat's ear is healed, showing Bunji cares about it. Seems that all the evil character's caring sides are coming through in these episodes.

[Strider_Lee]

yup, episode 24 is really sad, I kinda feel sorry for Harry and Bunji

when Sherry died in Harry's arms and when Bunji dissolved into nothingness as that little cat came for him... *sniff* *sniff*

Also

The conditions of Brandon and Mika don't appear too well... although this TV series is supposed to be advertising for the Gungrave OD game thus many people assume Brandon will not perish in it, I guess now we can hope for a better twist for a great sad ending as the game has already been out and proven to be a failure... :p

Yea, it sure is; but then again...

if this is suppose to somewhat follow the storyline like that of the games and with Gungrave OD being out (or hopefully coming out soon for everyone else outside of Japan), then Sherry is not technically dead; or rather, she's in the same or similar conditioned state like Brandon is. Check out the official Japanese Gungrave site (www.gungrave.com).

[Soul Bro Ryu]

After watching Ep. 25, I'm counting the seconds until I own this entire series on DVD.

For a second at the end, I thought the series would have ended right then with Brandon & Harry finally meeting face to face at where it all started.

Still the bitter sweet ending is upon us, folks. BTW, did anyone notice that the priest of the church where Sherry's funeral was held (wish I knew what was said) looked a little like Garino Corisone. Maybe he's connected to the Corisones in someway? Or maybe I'm talking out of my ass...

The flashback half of the episode almost had me misty-eyed since it was a time where Brandon and Harry were inseparable, where our hero meets Maria (and makes short work of some potential rapists), and we get to know more of the dynamic between the ill fated members of Harry's original crew. (Kenny's bar slide is priceless!)

And then there's Mika. Looks like she and Brandon aren't riding off into the sunset. Hell, it looks like the remaining members of Millenion are ready to foster her in as the Family's new head. It's cool that some old blood still exists in the Syndicate, otherwise she might have been smoked regardless.

My question is how does this all end. Does B.G. really have the heart to kill his old friend? And would Harry want to kill the only person from his past that he has left? With no syndicate, orcmen, or family to back him, who can he turn to? And what about the "Speriole" Doctor? Does he want revenge on Grave for what he did to his life's work? Will Mika and her newfound "friends" be able to get to Brandon in time before he dies again? So many questions and even more in their wake as we wait for the final ep.

Hope it does the series justice.

Oh, and the ending sequence is in color again! Dig it. ^_^

[Jimbob]

The episode was really nice and uplifiting in contrast to all the other episodes after Brandon was killed. I wonder if they'll include one of the final bosses from the game in the last episode. Although i could hardly see Grave fighting any more monsters with one arm, one gun, no ammo, and a decaying body.

[WLC]

#25 really was a nice episode.... really can't wait to see how #26 is going to end. I actually can't predict what's going to happen for the finale.

[Prince of Chronics]

you're lucky that you're at that ep... I just saw ep 22 for the first time today... I was expecting a bit more from Lee... but yet another good episode again...

so if the doc is gone... who is gonna maintain Brandon? it said in the subs that he would last ten days with that final thing that the doc did.... but there's a gungrave sequel for the ps2 right? so that means he lives longer than 10 days...... so yeah... will it be explained in the coming eps? or is this some continuity issue?

[Jimbob]

So the series has ended in Japan. From what i can make out from reading the gungrave.com boards, it's got everyone teary eyed, and the animation is particularly good. Anyone seen it? And will there be another season revolving around the second game?

[dreamless]

Brandon and Harry fight side by side again... finally Brandon chose Harry over Millenium... After a huge battle, Mika comes and says "we are a family"

I hope they don't do an anime for the second season...

[Jimbob]

Brandon and Harry fight side by side again... finally Brandon chose Harry over Millenium... After a huge battle, Mika comes and says "we are a family"

I hope they don't do an anime for the second season...

wtf, that's completely different from the game.

I expected that Harry would atleast die like in the game. So in the end, he's still alive?

[dreamless]

wtf, that's completely different from the game.

I expected that Harry would atleast die like in the game. So in the end, he's still alive?no, apparently everyone died. Except Mika and co, of course... but then it's quite vague...

Yup, it's completely different from the game, and at the same time completely superior to the game ending. It's wonderful.

[WLC]

Just some misc things I wonder about...


So, uh... cats can see ghosts or something?

The ending is pretty vague. I wonder if Harry pulled the trigger in the end (though, I also wonder how that would matter considering Brandon got emptied with quite a few more bullets), and that last saying by Mika really makes me think as well...

Definately a great ending, and definately better than the game. This also definately in no way can be related to the game or the sequel.

[Dorohn]

Just noticed one thing.

The title of first episode is : The Destroyer Under The Sunset

The title of the final episode is : The Sunset of The Destroyers

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episode 26 definitely lives up to my expection for this serie. The whole serie is just plain powerful. Gungrave will always be on my top 5 best anime list.

can't wait for the whole japanese dvds come out.

[Jimbob]

Wow, just saw the last ep and it was really the best of the series. I'm assuming...

when Mika gets there, Brandon is alive and holding Harry's body. Harry probably couldn't bare to shoot him again. That's probably why Mika was happy, since Grave is alive, and she realizes that Harry and Brandon are still family. Plus all the guys porobably stopped shooting and were just watching, since they were suprised Grave killed Harry after protecting him for so long. Then again, this is 100% speculation, but it's what i think happened.

[Yebyosh]

Yes, ep26 was a fitting end to the series. Barring those episodes where they led up to and had the stupid boss fights, this was an overall good and entertaining show to watch.

Brothers... forever.

[Drunken_Boxer]

I'm surprised that A.S doesnt have this amazing anime to download.
Does anyone else watch this show?

[Secca]

The reason AS doesn't have it, is because it's already licensed.

And the Gungrave thread has move to:

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=1305&highlight=gungrave

[Kairo]

I am watching it .. its pretty good ...
GunGrave is licensed thats why AnimeSuki hasn't it listed i guess ;\

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he .. i'm to slow ;[

[The Marauder]

I am glad that other people are enjoying this anime as much as I have. My friends can't seem to get past the first episode. So it is rather frustrating when I keep ranting about how glorious it really is and all they can say is: the first episode sucked! Eh, I didn't think so, but then again I was probably the only person who paid 50 bucks for the game when it came out. :heh: It is definetly one of my favorite series, as I never expected it to be so well done.

Has anyone played O.D. yet?

[Jimbob]

I also bought the game at full price :) I haven't played OD, and am waiting for it to come to NA. Btw, where did you get that avatar from?

[Spaceghost]

I've been watching it slowly, up to ep 15 now. Nothing is really gripping me, it is too depressing and slow.

[The Marauder]

Jimbob, I made the avatar myself from a Gungrave OD image, which I got from http://www.csusm.edu/anime/ here. I have Gungrave Archives, but I already butchered it to scan all the images. xD

[GuitarMan]

great show. i didn't really think to much of it when my friend was talking about it but after seeing it. damn it is such a good anime. its a shame its not longer.

[Za Paper]

Just saw the end and it was fantastic. This is the kind of anime that I love the most. Serious drama with wonderful storytelling. If it wasnt for the mediocre stretch with the boss fights I'd rank this in my top 5.

[Trilaan]

Wow, I really enjoyed the final episode....up until the ambiguous ending. Though it was definitely interesting. I am surely wondering just what happened. Are they both dead? One would think so, after seeing the way it went. But you can think back to the beginning and the cat which sees Bunji. Bunji was reflected in the cat's eyes so he MUST have been there, right? Perhaps there's something about those that have been Necro-Rised even Tokioka didn't know, perhaps dead isn't necessarily dead. Or, perhaps, by some accident, Brandon/Grave shot Bunji with a faulty round. Finally, was Mika smiling because Brandon/Grave was still alive? Or because she had finally resigned herself to the fact that, even though he was finally dead, they were still family? SO many questions! Yet it can't be denied...great series!

[Tokubetsu EX]

I dont believe Grave is dead. If you watched up until the very end, you heard Mika say "Welcome Home." now, this could be Mika or a maybe Maria welcoming Grave into heaven??? We may never know lol ^_^

[hunterx]

another crappy anime ending I see.. at least they are consistent

[Hao Asakura]

I dont believe Grave is dead. If you watched up until the very end, you heard Mika say "Welcome Home." now, this could be Mika or a maybe Maria welcoming Grave into heaven??? We may never know lol ^_^

It seems to me that Brandon Heat is dead. Even if Harry didn't shoot him, he's going to die within 10 days anyway. So he will die either way. Anyway, it is still a great series despite of its ambiguous ending.

[Budweineken]

another crappy anime ending I see.. at least they are consistent
The ending was faaaaaar from crappy... it was very good... there is barely a loose-end in this series... the only thing clouding people's mind is what happened to Brandon... other than that everything was settled....

[Prince of Chronics]

the ending was not that bad... I like the way it switched back and forth between the past and present character designs... like most animes I've seen, the ending just leaves u wanting more and I think that's a good thing...

straight up though... imo... both of those guys are definitely dead...

[silentpixel]

I just finished watching the last episode. One of my tope favorite anime. Wish it didnt end.

[Spaceghost]

I thought the entire series was so so.

When are the games set?

[USSJ3Trunks]

I just saw the ending. I must say I loved this series. The first episode didn't impress me, but from episode 2 on, Gungrave was awesome. I think they both probably died, but I'm not sure why Mika was smiling. And the Bunji reappearance is a mystery. If you recall correctly, after his final fight with Brandon, when the cat appeared, he suddenly disappeared. So it's not clear what happened to him. He could've finished both brandon and harry off. who knows.

[Superchop]

I'm pretty sure that Brandon and Harry died at the end...Brandon was already falling apart with his time limit reaching it's end...and Harry...well...if he hadn't died then then the mafia would've just killed him afterwards

As for Mika smiling she probably just realized what it meant to have a family and she was happy for Brandon being able to be with his best friend again (one way or another)

And Bunji...him i have no idea...i had thought he died in the building...but when he disappeared and reappeared after a while it confused me...i think it has something to do with his "superior" abilities and the cat...but since i don't think his abilities were fully explained...and he was the only one that didn't transform...we can only guess on what happenned to him

But either way, It was real good (even though i enjoyed the realistic mafia setting more then later on when all those orcmen and superiors started appearing making it the more sci-fi-ish anime)

[silentpixel]

Anyone seen golgo 13? doesnt Buni look like that guy? lmao i liked them both to.

[Jinx626]

Gungrave OD is coming to the States. Confirmed here http://ps2.ign.com/articles/518/518957p1.html

[pontupo]

I just finished this show the other night and, though I agree with what many have said (first ep is weak, show kind of drags?) I still really thought this was one of the better animes I have seen. Granted, I've only watched 15 or so animes all the way through, but I really enjoyed this show. Once the characters were developed, which was done ever so well, I really think that this show rocked. It even isn't hard to forgive the first ep once you've gotten through the flashback just because with a little context Brandon's silly getup don't seem so bad. All in all, I would recommend this show to anyone as a Trigun and Cowboy Bebop level anime..... but that's just me :)

[silentpixel]

Gungrave OD is coming to the States. Confirmed here http://ps2.ign.com/articles/518/518957p1.html thats good news

[Tokubetsu EX]

I still refuse to believe that grave is dead because of the whole "Good Morning" at the very end and also, what about GGOD? it starts out with a similar scene with Mika greeting Grave as he wakes up from some for of sleep.

[ne0_loki]

I agree with monir,he story of gungrave is great,but i do have one problem with it,same thing that happened in FMA,The first episdoe is in the present,then after that they go back and explain what happend leading up to that point,if it was for a few episode i can get by without a hateful comment towards it,but it looks like in this its gonna go on for a good while.The whole thing about brandon being brought back to life somehow,and taking revenge on harry,while fighting creepy looking subordnates of his,is what interested me in this,but like i said it back in the past.PLEASE hurry it up and go back to he present,so that i wont end this series.


thanks for the spoiler jack* :nono: ss

[Mugen]

Loved the series :) , anyways a kinda SPOILER so dont read on if you havent seen it all. I cant remember what exact episode it was because i watched the show quite a while ago, anyways on one of the episodes towards the end, Gungrave has to go up for best punch in anime history, - where he hits bunji n he does like a backflip :). Anyways that was a kinda pointless comment :twitch: but anyways this series was cool!

[dreamless]

well, I love the past arc most, actually I love the anime when the story is different from the game, only when it follows the game straight it becomes a bit boring ie. those "boss fights" against Bob and Lee

[Antonik]

This had been a very unique anime for me. It was very touching and emotional. You absolutely had to fall inlove with the main character "Brandon". Who was a silent character that didnt talk much, he didn't really express his emotions while he was alive. That made the viewer such as myself feel it for him. Thus the story was very strong.
I agree that the past arc was the most interesting as we really got to know our characters, but the "Beyond The Grave" arc was still powerful, especially toward the very end.

Whoever gets a chance to see this, i highly recommend it, Its one of the best animes out there at the moment.

[SirCanealot]

Review of first DVD on AnimeonDVD

GOGOOGOGOGOGOOGOOGOGOOG FARKING DTS TRACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DTS DTS DTS DTS DTS DTS DTSS!!!!!!!!!!!

It also has a DD 5.1 track for all you LAME asses with no DTS reciever :P

[Schwarzwald]

I picked up the first DVD...(slight SPOILERS)
In some places it's good, the story is interesting but...
No real defining tracks like the ones Trigun had...
Action sequences will involve glass explodin demons with tiny wings? Uggh...
Acting is so-so(sub and dub)...
They cheap out on the backgrounds in every episode...

[Hobbes]

So I was on IGN just messing around and looking stuff up on games and I came across this newly released DVD. I was wondering, does anyone know if it is good or if someone could personally recommend it? Thanks.

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/529/529460p1.html

[Prince of Chronics]

the Gungrave anime is good... the whole part of the show where they deal with the past is very good imo... the monster battles are no where as good as how they tell the story.... very good directing imo... the animation is so-so... read the first few pages of this thread to see more comments...

[Superchop]

the whole part of the show where they deal with the past is very good imo... the monster battles are no where as good as how they tell the story

I agree....the realistic type past was the my favorite part...as soon as they introduced the monsters/grave/etc etc i thought it went a bit downhill...but still one of the better anime's i've seen :)

[Wilcon]

Just finished the show, and I can't possibly say anything else than that I absolutely LOVE this anime. Everything is brilliant, the ending were very sad and yet one of the better endings I've seen(err, dont come and say it didn't ended like I think it did :)). It will definitive end up in my top5 list... I love it.

[wakkachubaca]

I've only seen this up to episode 13, and since I have no skills at searching for, oh, anything (I looked for a game system that was on the floor of my room for 2 hours...), does anyone know what the ending theme is called? I just love the music, and I wanted to do a little search to see what little I could find. I already know the op is Family, with my basic kana knowledge, but...that's about it.

[Prince of Chronics]

The ending theme for Gungrave is one of the best ending theme songs I've heard for an anime... the title of the track is "When the Sunset turns Red" by Scoobie Do (or something like that)...

[wakkachubaca]

Indeed, it is one of the best I've ever heard. I just like that style, the feeling, the...slight reminiscence of a sleazy lounge song. Don't know why it reminds me, but it does...I also like the smooth transition between show and theme animation, just that initial reel spin and violin thang...I was actually thinking of the Japanese title, because it's much easier to find when you don't need to go by the translation. Reading page after page of angsty poetry ain't my thing....At any rate, thank you for the fast reply. I really wasn't expecting an answer so soon. :)

[Prince of Chronics]

The title of the track is "Akaneiro ga Moeru Toki".... the full version of the track is available on the single for it or on the Lefthead Gungrave OST...

The violin with the guitars is what does it for me... the vocals go well with that track too... it's unfortunate that I have no idea what they are saying... haha...

[wakkachubaca]

Thanks again! I'm kind of surprised at the speed again, but I suppose that there can always be someone out of the billions o' people that are just as bored as me at the same time, and heppen to pick the same way to pass it...Or maybe you were just passing by. :)
I found this little site with lyrics and translations for a number of anime songs, and some games, and some j-pop. Animelyrics.com, if you're interested. I go there if I want to learn the words or find out what something means. I only know a few lines, because I'm rather slow to learn, but the song's been stuck in my head for a month, so I'd really rather learn all of it, if at least to stop hearing JUST the first line, over and over and over...o_O

[-|(aGe-BuNsHiN-]

this series was a really unique splice between godfather/mafia theme and resident evil shoot-em-all kind of deal. Well i would recommend it to just about everyone.

[Prince of Chronics]

Has anyone checked out that GunGrave Over Dose ova based on the PS2 game that was released recently? ... it has a cel-shaded look to the characters and it looks like a game imo...

I was planning not playing the game so I watched this ova... not sure what to say about it... it was like watching all the in-game movies/ending from the game with subtitles without having to play the game... though, some of the scenes didn't cut to the next one smoothly... or one scene would be depicting something then the next scene was in a completely diffrent situation... plus I didn't who half the characters were... so it was kinda confusing to follow...

The boss fights were funny... cuz it looked like they grabbed in-game footage... they were two second fights with Beyond the Grave doing some crazy shit and ends up killing the boss in a flashy manner with a pose!

Who the hell was that blind guy and the guy with the guitar? I thought they were stupid... in general this vid was kinda weak...

[Secca]

Has anyone checked out that GunGrave Over Dose ova based on the PS2 game that was released recently? ... it has a cel-shaded look to the characters and it looks like a game imo...

I was planning not playing the game so I watched this ova... not sure what to say about it... it was like watching all the in-game movies/ending from the game with subtitles without having to play the game... though, some of the scenes didn't cut to the next one smoothly... or one scene would be depicting something then the next scene was in a completely diffrent situation... plus I didn't who half the characters were... so it was kinda confusing to follow...

The boss fights were funny... cuz it looked like they grabbed in-game footage... they were two second fights with Beyond the Grave doing some crazy shit and ends up killing the boss in a flashy manner with a pose!

Who the hell was that blind guy and the guy with the guitar? I thought they were stupid... in general this vid was kinda weak...

I saw it. But I don't really like it because basically it's kinda pushing the plot.
They revived The Grave again, it's too convenience now.

There were some returning characters that become the enemy boss, one I recognized but didn't like it was Sherry Walken Madowel. Isn't she dead already? Does that mean she was necro rised? That would be so absurd, that mean pretty much everyone can return from the dead and there is no point at all for Brandon to kill them in the first place and there will be no end to Gungrave.

The other one tho I like: Kugashira Bunji, shodown between him and Brandon is always cool. ^^

[Prince of Chronics]

I saw it. But I don't really like it because basically it's kinda pushing the plot.
They revived The Grave again, it's too convenience now.

There were some returning characters that become the enemy boss, one I recognized but didn't like it was Sherry Walken Madowel. Isn't she dead already? Does that mean she was necro rised? That would be so absurd, that mean pretty much everyone can return from the dead and there is no point at all for Brandon to kill them in the first place and there will be no end to Gungrave.

The other one tho I like: Kugashira Bunji, shodown between him and Brandon is always cool. ^^
Yah... I don't think this vid was meant to follow the series, so that's prolly why there were a lot of holes in the story... I really think that this was just a compilation of the in-game movies... the credits in the end had videogame production staff members listed...

About the story... it was indeed pushing it...

it was kinda weak that everyone got necro-rised... though I wasn't too sure about that whole clone part with the blonde guy and the blonde guy with glasses...

The fights would have been so much better if it were animated properly... and not a two second clash... I really wanted to see a good fight between Beyond the Grave and Bunji... but the true question is... why the hell was Bunji there in the first place? ...

maybe some of the members here that played Gungrave O.D. can shed some light on the general story of the game... that way I can sorta understand this vid...

[Mr.Minou]

if I remember correctly, the anime did not follow the 1st game story, at least at the end. in the 1st game

beyond the grave does not die and the "last boss" is a nero rised big daddy (somebody who played the game ? I don't remember where I read this one ^^; )


and the 2nd game (gungrave OD) begins some times after the 1st, that's why the story can seem odd to the anime viewers.

[outlaw97]

It IS a compilation of all the cutscenes from the Gungrave OD PS2 game - it's not meant to be seen like this, hence why it doesn't flow very well or make much sense. Unlike the first game, there's actually a lot of text-driven (and voiced) dialogue inbetween the levels, in addition to these cutscenes. So you find out more about the rest of the characters, and the clips make more sense.

As for continuity, it's a bit sketchy because the first game and TV series went on different paths, and OD is a direct sequel to the game, not the anime - therefore, certain assumptions one might make after watching the TV show are wrong. Specifically:


Sherry being necrorised - it's hard to determine. The first game made no mention of her, so if we're going off the game alone, then she could very well be alive, and just trained herself - she actually wasn't that impressive a fighter in the game ^_^;; The problem is that she speaks of Harry and Bear's deaths in a way that it's referencing the anime.

Bunji being necrorised - again, if we go by the game, he tried to blow himself and Grave up with demolition explosives - so this would be his first time being necrorised. If we follow the anime, it would be an obvious inconsistency, although I don't recall if we actually see his body turn to dust in the anime - I think they just showed him there one second, and in the next second only that black cat's there. So with that, maybe necrorising can happen twice?


<edit by Mod (xris)>At the very least, we would know more about RB and Jyuji other than them being 2 random etheral badasses :heh:

But everybody should support the game when it comes out in September! More Gungrave love!

[Secca]

Bunji being necrorised - again, if we go by the game, he tried to blow himself and Grave up with demolition explosives - so this would be his first time being necrorised. If we follow the anime, it would be an obvious inconsistency, although I don't recall if we actually see his body turn to dust in the anime - I think they just showed him there one second, and in the next second only that black cat's there. So with that, maybe necrorising can happen twice?

I think Bunji looks like a ghost or dead people, just like the new guys that were helping Grave. He looks wasted tho, like a mummy.

I'm kinda curious on the big guy that has a huge cross gun like Wolfwood, he looks like he knows Grave, altho I cannot make out what he said at all. Is he a returning character too?

[outlaw97]

Heh, sorry if I said too much xris, it all just came pouring out, though now I can't even remember what you edited ^_^;;

Anyways, in regards to the big guy with the cross:


His name is Fangorum, and he was actually a result of the prototype necrorise process, Grave being the final version. He was seen briefly in the flashback episodes of the anime (as in, a few seconds floating in a tube), but was never mentioned in the game. As for the cross he carries, Grave's guns are officially known as Cerebus Right Head and Left Head, but according to myth, Cerebus is supposed to have 3 heads. Well, Fangorium has the missing head. Although, if that thing was originally planned for Grave, that's quite a handful, carrying the guns, coffin, AND that cross...

And if we were to follow the game, it would make sense for Bunji to be all mummy-like - I mean, if you set off a bunch of explosives, I would think you'd get burned pretty badly.

Another homage to the original Gungrave is one of the bosses - I'm not sure of the story behind it, but basically the Coriosone family used this new form of Seed to ressurect and combine Big Daddy's 3 (Bob, Lee, and Bear) into one. Not a pretty sight ^_^;;

[Spooky-Electric]

Just finished watching this series and I thought it was amazing, however I felt it really went downhill when Brandon was resseructed as Beyond the Grave. He was even more of a quiet and boring character than he was when he was alive. The realistic Syndicate aspect of the series was better than when it turned into a monster shoot-em-up. I would have liked to see real fights between Brandon and these other characters instead of them turning into spiders and shit. I was also a little weirded out by some of the relationships. Big Daddy and Maria? Yuck. He was her "uncle", her dads friend. He's a nice guy and all but he's like 60 years old. Also, Mika is annoying. I know what happened to her is awful, but all she does is cry and get in Brandon's way.

[MorgaineLeFay]

Hey, newbie here. Just registered so I could get some new opinions in this strange little debate I have been having with myself because I am that lame.

Do you think Brandon died a virgin? It would be tragic if true (just ask any female who's seen the guy) but I personally think the evidence points to "yes." He loved Maria enduringly, and we never got any kind of sign he'd consider seeing anyone else. He doesn't seem the kind of guy who'd use a hooker. He spent his teenage years (normally a young male's most vital period) in monklike seclusion, and anyone who works out that intensely just might be compensating for not doing anything else physical.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

[Tacking]

In the last episode did Brandon and Harry die? And Mika said something about family are she happy she saw Brandon alive?

[Wilcon]

SPOILER

In the last episode did Brandon and Harry die? And Mika said something about family are she happy she saw Brandon alive?
Yes, they died. That's what I think, or more like, that's what I'm almost 100% sure of. Maybe she meant something along the line that Brandon now can meet Maria, just a thought...

[cheezisgoooood]

Hey, I'm new here, but that's not important for this topic.

I found Gungrave on Right Stuf International for 50 bucks. The sale ends today.

I'm pretty sure I made a good choice, since it was so cheap, but I'd like to know what other people think of this series. I've heard nothing but good things about it, so I'm pretty confident. Plus this is the original, legitimate set for 50 damn bucks. That's ludicrous. I've been eyeing the series for a while and now it's finally cheap enough for me to get it.

I've heard this show is based on a video game, and those usually suck, but this one is I guess some sort of exception.

What do you guys think?

Btw, if anyone's interested, this is the link to where I bought it: http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/QGLuP2-T2rkL9TUXfX/browse/item/66729/4/0/0