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mayukhers112

2004-06-07, 11:11

Kyuven

2004-06-07, 13:00

abubo

2004-06-08, 15:52

Yep, it just might be licensed by DC Comics along with Musashi #9 (Miyuki Takahashi) and Madara, (Sho-u Tajima and Eiji Otsuka). I wonder how ADV will be reacting to this, that is, IF it is licensed.

here's the news- http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/5046.html

I'm pretty excited if the news is true, because Gals! is one of my fave anime series.
well, I won't call it good news cus chances of DC screw it up is very, very good. The whole American comic scene is utterly out of touch with the anime/manga world, but they all want the slice of the pie. They are so out of it don't be surprised that they publish it FLIPPED and distribute it mostly in geeky, hard-to-find comic shops owned by some fat, smelly manga-hater.

Okay that's generalizing a bit but not far from the truth. I used to collect American comics in the 90's and I've had my share of arguments with some of these bigots; I'll tell you that there's a lot of anti-manga sentiments in the comic industry and I won't trust DC to do anything decent with a manga property.

Spyre

2004-06-08, 19:42

well, I won't call it good news cus chances of DC screw it up is very, very good. The whole American comic scene is utterly out of touch with the anime/manga world, but they all want the slice of the pie. They are so out of it don't be surprised that they publish it FLIPPED and distribute it mostly in geeky, hard-to-find comic shops owned by some fat, smelly manga-hater.

Okay that's generalizing a bit but not far from the truth. I used to collect American comics in the 90's and I've had my share of arguments with some of these bigots; I'll tell you that there's a lot of anti-manga sentiments in the comic industry and I won't trust DC to do anything decent with a manga property.
wow, you're an idiot.

The title hasn't even been announced yet, and you're already saying DC comics sucks, that they'll screw it up, that they hate manga and they're out of touch with everything. wtf? I don't even see how manga can be "ruined" anyway, unless the translation was messed with. But I guess thats probably best left for a different thread.

As for your "fat smelly manga-hating comic shop owners" comments.... ummm every comic shop I go into these days has a significant manga section. Every single one. I live in Toronto, if you're from around here please tell me a store that doesn't. Anyway, those "manga-haters" aren't forced to stock any title. So why do they? Because they like money obviously. Manga attracts much younger audiences into the shops than normal comics do. These people would otherwise not even consider entering the shops. The owners love manga, their busniess has increased a ton. "Anti-manga sentiment"? Maybe back in the 90's (though I doubt it). And I'd like you to explain what you mean by saying the american comics scene being "out of touch" with manga/anime. This makes no sense to me.

Another company joining the industry will only improve things for the customer. More companies means more competition, which will eventually improve prices and quality for the customer. Also believe it or not, DC has a huge distrobution network. Larger than any "pure" manga company. Larger than any other comics company too. They are owned by Warner Brothers, and have other methods of shipping books than only Diamond. They have the resources to research the current market, and make informed decisions (regarding whether they'll flip it or not). Plus the size of their company suggests they could get it into different places than just comic shops and bookshops. I wouldn't be that surprised to find some at convenience stores and grocery store checkouts (actually I would, but DC could actually do that).

I don't think I need to explain why a wider distrobution would help the manga industry. But I will anyway. The wider the distrobution, the more people are exposed to it. In grocery stores, who hasn't seen kids there asking their mom to buy them the Archie on display there? Give those kids manga, and suddenly you have a whole new market. A bigger market would mean more money for the other companies. The more money those other companies make, the better they can make their products. Or the cheaper they can make them. Everyone knows that manga in Japan is dirt cheap compared to here, because of economies of scale.

The ignorance in your whole post is alarming. If they release stuff and its no good is one thing. But to say that DC comics won't do any good BEFORE THEY EVEN SAID THEY WILL DO ANYTHING is astounding. Please shut up, and don't try to pass off your ignorance as fact here. Any way you cut it, DC comics can definately help the manga industry, and this is definately good news for us, the consumer. I really hope they are sucessful with this.

Ugh I didn't really want to rant here, but your post really made me mad. I hope there arent many people who think like you.

Bullsquat

2004-06-09, 03:26

I think its a good thing for DC Comics to be jumping on the bandwagon don't you? It just makes Manga that much more visible, and who knows, maybe a number of Manga haters will have a change of heart or something.

You don't have anything against American Comics do you? Don't tell me you didn't give a hoot about the Death of Superman issue. I bet you got it stacked somewhere in your closet like buried treasure. Oh wait, that's me.

Oh, and let's not resort to name calling my Miyuki loving friend. I'm sure a good argument is enough to get your point across.

Spyre

2004-06-09, 06:09

You're right, I probably shouldn't have name-called... He just made me so mad though ;_;

And yeah I have been reading American comics for ~15 years, and manga for ~5. Even though right now I read more manga than comics, I like to consider myself pretty impartial.

Sydney2K

2004-06-09, 08:18

Ugh I didn't really want to rant here, but your post really made me mad. I hope there arent many people who think like you.

Unfortunately there are. Here's the thread from Anime News Network (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7650).

Widya Santoso

mayukhers112

2004-06-09, 11:29

Unfortunately there are. Here's the thread from Anime News Network (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7650).

Widya Santoso

Yep, something similar's goin on in the Anime On DVD forums- http://forums.animeondvd.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=519566&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

abubo

2004-06-09, 14:13

wow, you're an idiot.
wow, you're creative.

As for your "fat smelly manga-hating comic shop owners" comments.... ummm every comic shop I go into these days has a significant manga section. Every single one. I live in Toronto... "Anti-manga sentiment"? Maybe back in the 90's (though I doubt it).
Well, good for you. I don't live in Toronto... I live in the Pacific Northwest. I've been to quite a bit of comic shops too, and there's not much manga to be found, and fat, smelly owners a plenty. I won't comment on where you live, but I know my backyard.

As for anti-manga sentiment, well, if you haven't seen it, good for you. I've had soo many arguments about how manga's not ALL PORN or CRAP with the simpsions comic-book-guy type store owners that I've started ordering comics from the Internet and avoided thoese stores altogether. In fact, you can find plenty of manga-hating sentiment on comic-centric sites like Newsarama and Comicon. Being a comic fans, you should know these sites, no? In fact there is an unspoken "rule" that when someone posts about manga, there will always someone there say that it's all crap. Even in Art Comic sites like tcj.com.

And I'd like you to explain what you mean by saying the american comics scene being "out of touch" with manga/anime. This makes no sense to me.
Alright, I'll make it easy for you. The American comic industry is dominated by 2 company creating expensive, short pamphlets using old, recycled characters that's only of interest to middle-aged men grew up in the 80's. They never cared about anyone but this audience; not kids, not women, not non-geeky adults. Manga changed the rules, offering genres and titles for all ages, and they discovered that kids and women actually read comics. But how do they answer this? By creating "manga" version of the same old tired characters or by offering "manga-size" digests. Not really getting what makes manga what it is and why people read them, is the reason why I say they are out of touch.

Until the American system offers creator owned work that's not tied to the geriatric spandex superheroes genre at a cheap price with easy accessibility, they are all out of touch. And if they don't change soon, these middle-aged fanbase will slowly decrease until it's no more. Read up on hundreds of the good argument in the comic blogsphere about the survival of the comic industry and how we should learn from the manga system; you'll see how even the fans of the current industy believed that the big 2 are out of touch.

Another company joining the industry will only improve things for the customer. ... Or the cheaper they can make them. Everyone knows that manga in Japan is dirt cheap compared to here, because of economies of scale.
This can all be done with another company. I simply don't trust DC, period. I'm glad you have faith in them, but that's my opinion.

Please shut up, and don't try to pass off your ignorance as fact here. Any way you cut it, DC comics can definately help the manga industry, and this is definately good news for us, the consumer. I really hope they are sucessful with this.
If you read my post, I didn't say anything other than my personal opinion. Obviously, my opinion differs from yours. However, I won't go and state that your opinion is ignorant or stupid, though. Oh, BTW, I won't tell you to shut up in a open, public forum just because I don't agree with your opinon, either.

Ugh I didn't really want to rant here, but your post really made me mad. I hope there arent many people who think like you.
I'm glad you have such a good control over your emotions.

Oh BTW, just before you start thinking I hate American comics, you may want to know that for most the 90's I've collected thousands of comics. I still order some trades today, but I don't buy pamphlets anymore. There's plenty of good stuff out there which are not recycled superheroes, thus I still keep up with the industry. I used to love the American comic industry and I don't want to see it die, but the way it's headed is still sorely misguided.

I AM anti-DC, I guess. I never liked any of their comics and I don't think they will do a good job with manga. I also wish them success, but, like I've said before, I don't trust them to do so.

As for people like myself? I doubt you'll find many of today's kiddies caring about the state of American comic industry like I do. I've seen plenty of manga haters in the spandex comic-dom, but I've not seen too many manga readers care about the DC/Marvel duopoly enough to even form an opinion.

You sounded like an intelligent person, and I'm okay with having good discussion with you, if only if you'll keep your emotion and insults in check. Thanks.

abubo

2004-06-09, 14:23

I think its a good thing for DC Comics to be jumping on the bandwagon don't you? It just makes Manga that much more visible, and who knows, maybe a number of Manga haters will have a change of heart or something.
No I don't. I want DC to learn from the manga system by transforming the AMERICAN comic industry, I don't want them to just be another Dark Horse to make a quick buck.

Manga visibility has already has many converts, I can point to you many comic-only blogs which has started reviews on manga. However, that's not going to save the domestic industry. If DC started to offer a variety of genres with creator-owned works in very accessible and cheap formats like anthologies, I would be their #1 fan.

You don't have anything against American Comics do you? Don't tell me you didn't give a hoot about the Death of Superman issue. I bet you got it stacked somewhere in your closet like buried treasure. Oh wait, that's me
Let me check my closet full of long boxes... hmmm.. let me see... "Dark Knight Returns"... more X-Men, X-this and that than I can count.... old issues of "Love and Rockets"... Nope, not hatin'. But I do not care about that super-hyped Death of Superman issue though... not a DC fan (aside from the Frank Miller stuff) and definately not a Superman fan. Plus, is he really dead? If DC can kill off sups and he STAYED DEAD, then yeah, I would buy the issue and treasure it like you. :)

abubo

2004-06-09, 15:04

And yeah I have been reading American comics for ~15 years, and manga for ~5. Even though right now I read more manga than comics, I like to consider myself pretty impartial.
I have been reading both formats for over 25 years now. Hopefully after you've read my comments you understand where I come from. I'm against DC simply because they were in position to change the industry but didn't (same goes with Marvel). I don't trust them to do a good job to do manga translation because they don't understand manga; their actions in trying to emulate manga shows that they don't have anyone who knows anying about it.

Direct your venom at someone who actually hates the domestic industry. I'm one of the few people who wish It'll change for the better, instead of dying a slow death by relying on the status quo.

Kyuven

2004-06-09, 16:28

actually, DC and marvel both have releases that make it to the graphic novel section, so them ending up in a shop with a sweaty comic guy is equally as likely as them ending up in your local Barnes and Noble

Spyre

2004-06-09, 20:40

How do you explain Vertigo, the DC creator-owned imprint? Titles like Sandman and Preacher are exactly like manga, except they are drawn in american style. I don't see the difference at all. They are definate stories, with a start, middle and end, they have 1 creator doing all the stories, and a complete internal consistancy, and no spandex in sight. There is a lot of non-superhero stuff coming out from DC. Much more than either Marvel or Image. In fact, I don't even think Marvel has a system in place for crator-owned series. Plus theres the independent comics like Cerberus and Bone. Cerberus being around for almost 30 years now (it finally ended this spring).

I guess I probably overreacted to your opinionated post, but I still disagree on nearly all your points. I've never heard any comic store clerks insulting manga. Not once in 15 years.

Likewise, while I don't read newsrama, or tcj, I do read (and post a little) on the comicon boards, and there I have never heard any generalizing anti-manga comments ever. The worst I've heard is that someone cant stand reading backwards ('authentic') and he had about 3 or 4 people jump at him saying its not hard at all and hes severely limiting himself by ruling out manga.

Also, don't you think DC releasing manga will be helpful to the american comics industry? It'll get more kids into the comic shops, and with more kids in there the more likely it is they'll start reading something. Right now one of the major problems with the industry is that it can't attract new readers... something manga does VERY well. Getting DC manga into supermarkets and convenience stores will just expose the industry more, getting more people into it, which leads to more people going into the stores who wouldn't have gone in otherwise.

I see DC releasing manga as beneficial to both the american comic industry, and the manga industry.

A couple final remarks that didnt really fit in with the rest of my post:
-25 years reading manga? What were you reading other than Akira?
-Sure superman died and returned a couple months later. (Nevermind the fact that everyone knew he would come back.) But I'll point out the same stuff happens in manga too. Video Girl Ai and the last volume of Ranma (haha read it last night) instantly come to mind, but I'm certain there are just as many examples as in American comics.

abubo

2004-06-10, 00:51

Plus theres the independent comics like Cerberus and Bone. Cerberus being around for almost 30 years now (it finally ended this spring).
I guess you're still trying to talk to me as I know nothing about the industry. Oh well.

I guess I probably overreacted to your opinionated post, but I still disagree on nearly all your points. I've never heard any comic store clerks insulting manga. Not once in 15 years.
Good for you. Glad to see that you feel justified in your personal attacks. I suppose you think your posts ares more like "facts" while mine were simply opinions worthy of insult. I'm really sorry you feel that way.

Likewise, while I don't read newsrama, or tcj,
Too bad there's no search function in Comicon. Please goto Newsarama and do a search on keyword "manga". You'll see plenty of fun comments (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=12571). Of course, it there were a lot of manga defenders there, but they seemed to fight a bitter battle everytime. Read this illustrative thread (http://www.sequentialtart.com/community/Forum3/HTML/000404.shtml)on Squential Tart, a good site devoted to female comic creators. Although there are some manga fans fighting back, it's just sad to see so much prejudice even in this supposedly open-minded site.

Also, don't you think DC releasing manga....
Again, anything DC could be doing can be done better by other firms. And the direct market is one of the reason for comic's sad state of affairs. Comic and manga should be available to everyone from every outlet possible; not just some hard-to-find hole-in-the-wall place in a strip mall. Again, we differ on this point; if you've actually studied this problem in-depth, maybe there's some disscussion to be had. I'd recommend that you go through some really well-written comic blog sites such as Grotesque Anatomy (http://grotesqueanatomy.blogspot.com/), Sean Collins (http://www.alltooflat.com/about/personal/sean/), and Franklin Harris (http://franklinharris.blogspot.com/), which at one point or another all tried to solve the puzzle of saving the industry while learning from Manga. I don't see a point in continuing this now... let's agree to disagree.

A couple final remarks that didnt really fit in with the rest of my post:
-25 years reading manga? What were you reading other than Akira
Well, that sounds more like an inquiry questioning my credibility, rather than a remark. Hmmmm, let's see.. I started with Doraemon, then Cyborg 009, and then Black Jack... Buddah... Tetsuwan Atom... back then everyone had to read Osamu-sama's work... then as a teen I first got into Dr. Slump and then of course Dragon Ball... oh boy that dragged on for 10 years... my sister let me borrow some shojo classics like Ouke no Monshou, but didn't like it too much... then it just kinda exploded from there. I actually never read Akira. Want to know my anime history too? How about the content of my pull list back in '86? :)

Sure superman died and returned a couple months later. (Nevermind the fact that everyone knew he would come back.) But I'll point out the same stuff happens in manga too. Video Girl Ai and the last volume of Ranma (haha read it last night) instantly come to mind, but I'm certain there are just as many examples as in American comics.
You've missed the point. Coming back to life from death is fine; the problem is, no one important (i.e. selling) in the spandex world will ever die. The series will go on forever and ever and ever, until the circulation is so bad that it's canceled; but the characters always had a chance to return (didn't Marvel just revived that god-awful 70's kung-fu comic, Iron Fist?). When Superman was born, the pop music of the day was Big Band Jazz, and the Depression was raging. After over 70 years, can we move on PLEASE? If Ranma's anything like Superman then Takahashi-sensei would be still drawing Ranma, today, year after year until people stop buying it. Aside from 4-koma comedies like Sazae-san, it's very rare to find these types of "eternal" characters in manga. Yet this type of characters actually dominate the current comic industry, kept alive by utter greed and a profound lack of creativity on the part of the big 2.

Don't confuse the American comic industry with spandex crap fest. There's plenty of good stuff out there. However, are you sure you really want to defend superheroes?

Given the inmicable tone of your last post, I felt that you're still in a vindictive mood rather than trying to have a civilized conversation; thus this will be my last public post in this thread, given my distaste for flame wars. If you wish to continue this discussion, please PM me instead. If you wish to again insult me further in public, however, that's fine too, but please do forgive me if I withdrawal myself from further engagement.

Spyre

2004-06-10, 20:36

Until the American system offers creator owned work that's not tied to the geriatric spandex superheroes genre at a cheap price with easy accessibility, they are all out of touch.I guess you're still trying to talk to me as I know nothing about the industry. Oh well.
I guess I'll have to ask you why you said that if you know about indy and vertigo? I'm replying directly to what you said.
Please goto Newsarama and do a search on keyword "manga". You'll see plenty of fun comments (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=12571). Of course, it there were a lot of manga defenders there, but they seemed to fight a bitter battle everytime. Read this illustrative thread (http://www.sequentialtart.com/community/Forum3/HTML/000404.shtml)on Squential Tart, a good site devoted to female comic creators. Although there are some manga fans fighting back, it's just sad to see so much prejudice even in this supposedly open-minded site.Fair enough. But I thought you were talking about comic store owners being anti-manga. If you were talking about just normal people, then you could extrapolate to the entire population. Sadly, I'd say the % of people who read comics and hate manga is very small compared to the % of people who don't read comics and hate manga. They are the same people who say comics are stupid or for kids. (How do you convert those people to accept comics/manga as an acceptable form of popular entertainment? One answer is more distrobution, more exposure, and more popular acceptance).
Again, anything DC could be doing can be done better by other firms. And the direct market is one of the reason for comic's sad state of affairs. You have yet to say why another firm could do it better. I gave points about DC's established distrobution chains which do NOT only include direct market. DC has networks in convenience stores and grocery stores and bookstores too. Which is something I have yet to see from Tokyopop (except bookstores). With that being a fact, I see this as a plus to DC, not a drawback. Do you really think a new firm with no established distrobution networks will be able to get manga into new locations better than DC could?

Comic and manga should be available to everyone from every outlet possible; not just some hard-to-find hole-in-the-wall place in a strip mall. Again, we differ on this point; if you've actually studied this problem in-depth, maybe there's some disscussion to be had. ...[cut]... I don't see a point in continuing this now... let's agree to disagree. Did you actually read my posts? I said this in both of them. DC has distrobution that tokyopop doesnt have access to, let alone some other new startup company.

Well, that sounds more like an inquiry questioning my credibility, rather than a remark. Hmmmm, let's see.. I started with Doraemon, then Cyborg 009, and then Black Jack... Buddah... Tetsuwan Atom... back then everyone had to read Osamu-sama's work... then as a teen I first got into Dr. Slump and then of course Dragon Ball... oh boy that dragged on for 10 years... my sister let me borrow some shojo classics like Ouke no Monshou, but didn't like it too much... then it just kinda exploded from there. I actually never read Akira. Want to know my anime history too? How about the content of my pull list back in '86? :)Ah I see... I was under the impression that you didn't read japanese manga. (Kinda makes me wonder why this issue matters to you in the first place, but whatever).

Given the inmicable tone of your last post, I felt that you're still in a vindictive mood rather than trying to have a civilized conversation; thus this will be my last public post in this thread, given my distaste for flame wars. If you wish to continue this discussion, please PM me instead. If you wish to again insult me further in public, however, that's fine too, but please do forgive me if I withdrawal myself from further engagement.This is how I type, forgive me for using punctuation and caps on the internet. (Do a search of my previous posts if you don't believe me). And I already said I regretted getting so mad in my 1st post twice, so theres no reason to assume I'm still trying to flamebait you. I'm mearly trying to have a discussion.

---- Above is getting sorta offtopic. ----

I'm sort of unclear about why you think DC would be a bad choice for a new manga publisher. You havn't given any points as to why they would do a bad job at it. I said that they could increase the distrobution into new outlets that tokyopop and viz can't reach, and entice new readers to the medium. You said that because lots of american comic fans hate manga, and DC is all about american comics that DC would be no good at manga (?). There seems to be something I'm missing.

Please re-explain your reasons for thinking that DC distributing manga is bad news rather than good.

OutPhase

2004-06-11, 15:36

GALS! licensed by D.C. Comics....... One thing to say:

SSSSSSSSHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!

Sydney2K

2004-06-11, 20:17

I'm sort of unclear about why you think DC would be a bad choice for a new manga publisher. You havn't given any points as to why they would do a bad job at it. I said that they could increase the distribution into new outlets that Tokyopop and Viz can't reach, and entice new readers to the medium. You said that because lots of American comic fans hate manga, and DC is all about american comics that DC would be no good at manga (?). There seems to be something I'm missing.

Newsarama (http://newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14074) just posted a piece about it. Here's the relevant part

Frankly, DC is doing a lot of things right at the moment. They have one of the most diverse stables of titles in the business, what with the iconic DCU, Vertigo, and Wildstorm. They’re spiking interest with clever use of talent (Jim Lee, etc.) and are drawing media attention for the right reasons (Meltzer on Identity Crisis for example). They’re latching onto top-flight creators (like Dave Gibbons) with exclusive deals. They have the Humanoids deal in place. They have the Elfquest partnership. And they have the manga line in the pipeline. With Batman Begins on the horizon, things definitely look great for the Original Universe.

Once that whole Catwoman thing blows over. Yeesh.

Humanoids is French; DC also have rights to the British 2000AD stable, which includes Judge Dredd. DC are also republishing Will Eisner. If they can handle all that, then CMX will be a piece of cake. You have the DC standard of professionalism, plus learning from what Viz, Studio Proteus, Tokyopop/Mixx and others have done before.

The other thing that the DC branding brings is the fact that the name DC is well known around the world for being the home of Superman. Along with Mickey Mouse and one other who I can't remember, Superman is the most recognisable icon in the modern world. I am *very* sure a lot of manga creators would like to be published by the company that brings out Superman.

If CMX fails, it won't be because of the quality of the work or the distribution- I think it'll be because the public won't care for it.

Widya Santoso

maxthelostboy

2004-06-12, 00:54

maxthelostboy

2004-06-12, 01:00

I guess you're still trying to talk to me as I know nothing about the industry. Oh well.

Good for you. Glad to see that you feel justified in your personal attacks. I suppose you think your posts ares more like "facts" while mine were simply opinions worthy of insult. I'm really sorry you feel that way.

Too bad there's no search function in Comicon. Please goto Newsarama and do a search on keyword "manga". You'll see plenty of fun comments (http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=12571). Of course, it there were a lot of manga defenders there, but they seemed to fight a bitter battle everytime. Read this illustrative thread (http://www.sequentialtart.com/community/Forum3/HTML/000404.shtml)on Squential Tart, a good site devoted to female comic creators. Although there are some manga fans fighting back, it's just sad to see so much prejudice even in this supposedly open-minded site.

Again, anything DC could be doing can be done better by other firms. And the direct market is one of the reason for comic's sad state of affairs. Comic and manga should be available to everyone from every outlet possible; not just some hard-to-find hole-in-the-wall place in a strip mall. Again, we differ on this point; if you've actually studied this problem in-depth, maybe there's some disscussion to be had. I'd recommend that you go through some really well-written comic blog sites such as Grotesque Anatomy (http://grotesqueanatomy.blogspot.com/), Sean Collins (http://www.alltooflat.com/about/personal/sean/), and Franklin Harris (http://franklinharris.blogspot.com/), which at one point or another all tried to solve the puzzle of saving the industry while learning from Manga. I don't see a point in continuing this now... let's agree to disagree.

Well, that sounds more like an inquiry questioning my credibility, rather than a remark. Hmmmm, let's see.. I started with Doraemon, then Cyborg 009, and then Black Jack... Buddah... Tetsuwan Atom... back then everyone had to read Osamu-sama's work... then as a teen I first got into Dr. Slump and then of course Dragon Ball... oh boy that dragged on for 10 years... my sister let me borrow some shojo classics like Ouke no Monshou, but didn't like it too much... then it just kinda exploded from there. I actually never read Akira. Want to know my anime history too? How about the content of my pull list back in '86? :)

You've missed the point. Coming back to life from death is fine; the problem is, no one important (i.e. selling) in the spandex world will ever die. The series will go on forever and ever and ever, until the circulation is so bad that it's canceled; but the characters always had a chance to return (didn't Marvel just revived that god-awful 70's kung-fu comic, Iron Fist?). When Superman was born, the pop music of the day was Big Band Jazz, and the Depression was raging. After over 70 years, can we move on PLEASE? If Ranma's anything like Superman then Takahashi-sensei would be still drawing Ranma, today, year after year until people stop buying it. Aside from 4-koma comedies like Sazae-san, it's very rare to find these types of "eternal" characters in manga. Yet this type of characters actually dominate the current comic industry, kept alive by utter greed and a profound lack of creativity on the part of the big 2.

Don't confuse the American comic industry with spandex crap fest. There's plenty of good stuff out there. However, are you sure you really want to defend superheroes?

Given the inmicable tone of your last post, I felt that you're still in a vindictive mood rather than trying to have a civilized conversation; thus this will be my last public post in this thread, given my distaste for flame wars. If you wish to continue this discussion, please PM me instead. If you wish to again insult me further in public, however, that's fine too, but please do forgive me if I withdrawal myself from further engagement.

colluos died and he never came back and he was one of the main xmen! Phylocke died and she never came back either! Thunderbird same thing. loads of marvel guys die and never come back! destinys dead forever and she was mystiques friend and lover(rumors) marvel girl died at the hands of rouge. ANd unlike manga superman has been writen by many diffrent authors, and drawn by many diffrent artists adding more flavor to his character than ranma drawn byt eh same persona nd written by the same person. but i like it anyhow:) nice arguements:) i respect your beliefes and id like to saw aqua man is the lamest dc guy ever created. ANd its nice to see fans who buy manga and marvel.dc comics like me everyweek too:)

JubeiYamazaki

2004-06-12, 01:22

I've read everything and here's what it boils down to, for me:

abubo - You act as if its only the comicfanboys (Newsorama) are the only ones, cause they hate manga and think its Japanese pornographic garbage don't act so innocent. Just so I can clear things up everyone knows comicfanboys are the worst types of people in the world. I mean, if you change the slightest thing in a character's personality (instead of "the" he says "this" type of trivial shit) you'll have legions and legions of fanboys bashing and swarming sayin how the writer/artist sucks, and how big of a travesty it has become.

Truth is mangafanboys are just as bad sometimes, whenever I want to read a review of a volume, most fansites always have to claim how superior it is to american comics. *roll eyes*. So the hate over comics/manga is a two way street. But the fact you hear DC handling one manga before they actually doing anything does show you are biased, and you will be eatting your words in your claims that DC can't handle your shit.

As for manga being hard to find, I've been to almost every comic shop in Southern CA, and I've found huge sections of manga, and the clerks and I always have lengthy discussions involving the last issue of One Piece, or Scryed or even anime like Ghost in the Shell: SAC. Then at the sametime we dicuss how great Geoff John's The Flash/New Teen Titans run is doing, and how awsome Jim Lee's Superman is. I am sorry where you live it sucks to get manga, but feel free to move to Southern California whenever you can. You won't be judged.

Newsorama is a great comic resource once you avoid all the hate (from US and Japanese comic fanboys), and I did check out the blogs, and they're all just theories (well, whenever I could anything about "saving the US comic industry"). The US government in the mid 50's' and Image during the early 90's are the only two things that literally crippled american comics so when they fix it, they will, manga if anything has had no real impact before then. I read both manga and comics (mainly DC), because I love them. And it does sadden me when fans (from a fundementally same industry) are forced to take sides instead of embrace such a great step in pulling both american and manga readers together. So people can be more like me, and enjoy them both instead of bitching and complaining about which side sucks more

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So I'm going to break it down simply:
If you hate american comics: You are a damn fool. Please leave my industry, since you obiviously don't deserve what it has to offer.
If you hate manga: You are a damn fool. Please leave my industry, since you obiviously don't deserve what it has to offer.