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marin
2003-11-24, 13:23
At least, not liscensed in North America anyway...



NaruTaru :twitch:
Puchi Puri Yuushi :sad:
Kanon :sad:
Bottle Fairy :o
Noiseman Sound Insect :eyespin:
Boboboubo Boubobo :eyespin:



What are some series that you wouldn't expect to be liscensed ever in a million years?


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wao
2003-11-24, 13:52
Well hey, if they could license FLCL, why not BoBoBou (for short >_>)...

I saw one episode of the BoBoBou manga in my now ancient and dust-collecting Shounen Jump [Japanese - June], it looks really funny and it's all small and reminds me a little of Dennis the Menace (where they have all the little details).

monir
2003-11-24, 13:54
At least, not liscensed in North America anyway...



NaruTaru :twitch:
Puchi Puri Yuushi :sad:
Kanon :sad:
Noiseman Sound Insect :eyespin:
Boboboubo Boubobo :eyespin:



What are some series that you wouldn't expect to be liscensed ever in a million years?


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Who cares about N. America? Sophistication of animation showed in N. America cannot surpass Pokemon anyway. Disregarding N. America, Narutaru will be the first one to be licensed; it's just to great of a show to not to be. Kanon and Boboboubo Boubobo will be the other anime that will be licensed eventually. Infact, all anime has the potential of being licensed eventually in one region or another. :)

GreyArea
2003-11-24, 14:43
I believe that the NaruTaru manga is already licenced and is released as Shadow Star in the US by DarkHorse Comics. I dont know if the anime will make it over or not though.

Id be surprised to see Jungle wa Itsumo Hale nochi Guu licenced.

Lambda
2003-11-24, 16:05
NaruTaru: Closest comparison would be with Alien 9, and that's licensed.
Puchi Puri Yuushi: It's Gainax and inoffensive, it's bound to be picked up eventually. Companies can stick "By Gainax, creators of Evangelion and FLCL" on it.
Kanon: Well, I don't think anything like that has quite come over before, but given its reputation on the fansub circuit and the fact that there's nothing terribly problematic about it, I'd be optimistic.
Bottle Fairy: If Azumanga Daioh and that sugar snow fairy thing can come over, so can Bottle Fairy.

Don't know the other two.

Jungle Wa thingy I'm sure will come over. It's pretty good, and lots of similar series are licensed.

It's really very difficult to come up with anything fansubbed that you can be confident in it never getting licensed. About the only thing I'd put in that category would be Ebichu.

Kyuven
2003-11-24, 16:37
content has little to do with whether a show is licensed or not, it has to do with relative popularity
i can definately say that any anime that springs to mind immediately will prolly end up being licensed, because they're popular
companies like ADV (ok ESPECIALLY ADV) don't seem to care if the show is kiddish (Angelic Layer) or full on boob bouncin nudity (Steel Angel) if it's popular, it gets licensed
maybe not right away of course
Who cares about N. America? Sophistication of animation showed in N. America cannot surpass Pokemon anyway.
just because what they show on TV is total crap doesn't mean americans are less "sophisticated"
wanna talk mature themes? if you take the time to look at channels offered with satellite/digital cable you'll find channels showing shows like Hellsing, Blueseed, Gatekeepers 21, Silent Mobius, Betterman, Dirty Pair, GTO (Showtime owns the broadcast rights to GTO and Dirty pair apparently) etc.
plus the anime network
the american general public is slowly waking up from the idea of cartoons are for kids. We have adult swim, Matt Groening, and Family Guy to thank for that.

monir
2003-11-24, 18:54
just because what they show on TV is total crap doesn't mean americans are less "sophisticated"That's just taking my words out of context and giving Pres Bush reasons to declare war against me..One doesnt need to watch anime to be sophisticated.. What is the chance of showing all those great animes you mentioned in the Network TV, say in the next 10 years? Beside why would I pay for cable/dish to watch anime, when I can buy them in DVD..and Showtime is not free even when one has cable

Fronzel
2003-11-24, 19:26
Well, your mistake is to have any faith at all in the networks. Cable is nice and fine. Adult Swim has shown lots of anime, and recently announced several more to come in the new year, and some other cable channels are starting to show some, too.


I wasn't around at the time, but didn't people say that Excel Saga would never be liscensed?

I guess Ebichu is out, and really old stuff like Rose of Versailles or Magical Angel Creamy Mami has little chance, although ADV's release of Aura Battler Dunbine gives hope.

Shii
2003-11-24, 19:43
Mahoujin Guruguru hasn't been licensed in, like, 10 years, so that's what I'd put my money on.

FinFangFoom
2003-11-24, 20:16
What is the chance of showing all those great animes you mentioned in the Network TV, say in the next 10 years?

Probably much better than you think. Anime is picking up momentum and gaining popularity very fast. As soon as it becomes profitable to do so they will start airing them. (Just like any other country)

Who cares about N. America? Sophistication of animation showed in N. America cannot surpass Pokemon anyway

The reason people care about N. America is because once it is licensed here then it will no longer be distributed on Animesuki if it continues at all.

monir
2003-11-24, 22:25
Probably much better than you think. Anime is picking up momentum and gaining popularity very fast. As soon as it becomes profitable to do so they will start airing them. (Just like any other country)Even if they contain violence and gore..i.e Hellsing?? This year FCC's most violent dolls for Christmas shopping goes to a Hulk doll/action figure for 3 year old kid ..If pressure applied in the torso area of the doll, it supposed to make noise..In actuality, one needs to hit the doll to get any sound effect..So the doll was labeled as too violent for a 3 year old and banned by the FCC (plastic hammer anyone). You can get the confirmation of the info in the CBS.com.

My point is FCC will chew out the Network TV and force them to edit the show so much, it will be like watching Bottle Fairy accept the characters are not so cute. You honestly believe anime like Hellsing wont be popular if aired in a Network TV channel?
The reason people care about N. America is because once it is licensed here then it will no longer be distributed on Animesuki if it continues at all.Sadly enough, it's true..

FinFangFoom
2003-11-24, 23:46
Even if they contain violence and gore..i.e Hellsing?? This year FCC's most violent dolls for Christmas shopping goes to a Hulk doll/action figure for 3 year old kid ..If pressure applied in the torso area of the doll, it supposed to make noise..In actuality, one needs to hit the doll to get any sound effect..So the doll was labeled as too violent for a 3 year old and banned by the FCC (plastic hammer anyone). You can get the confirmation of the info in the CBS.com.

My point is FCC will chew out the Network TV and force them to edit the show so much, it will be like watching Bottle Fairy accept the characters are not so cute. You honestly believe anime like Hellsing wont be popular if aired in a Network TV channel?


Maybe 10 years is to small of a window, but my reasoning is this. Anime has only been a recognized form or art/entertainment for about the last 11-12 years in the U.S. Sure there where anime shows like Robotech in the early 80's but it never had a name so everyone asumed they where no different than any other cartoon. But then came Akira in the early 90's (to the U.S). I don't think many adults gave it a chance due to the fact that it was in there mind "a cartoon". Just like Nintendo was labeled a "Toy" by adults in the early 80's but videogames are now recognized as being as big of an entertainment medium as movies. Many younger kids like myself watched Akira (or others im sure) and felt it was a epiphany of what animation could be. And it has grown rapidly in popularity with people my age and younger (I guess im basing this off my own experiance with people rather than scientific study) and now we have toonami and anime based magizines poping up on most newstands, and a 24 hour anime channel that is slowly spreading accross the U.S as more cable companies pick it up (im pretty sure it's basic cable not pay extra like showtime). If these make more money and get more popular, Major networks will want in. I don't think the violence will be a problem because networks thrive on violence at late night, as they are able to show much more after (10pm I believe) which is why we have shows like NYPD Blue and a Episode of Angel advertising nudity in their comercials. And I believe that is when some of these shows would have to air. Morality is dieing slowly but surely. Give it time. ;)

If nothing else, I think this will happen as time moves on, and people who are now growing up with anime are going to be assuming positions to make these kind of decissions. Nobody is imortal and the heads and decission makers or these networks will be replaced. Hopfully sooner than later.

This year FCC's most violent dolls for Christmas shopping goes to a Hulk doll/action figure for 3 year old kid ..If pressure applied in the torso area of the doll, it supposed to make noise..In actuality, one needs to hit the doll to get any sound effect..So the doll was labeled as too violent for a 3 year old and banned by the FCC (plastic hammer anyone).

HAHA! Thats pretty funny. :heh:

Tomomi
2003-11-25, 00:37
Here's mine:

Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne
Sister Princess Repure
Slam Dunk
Chrono Trigger

:heh:

JAppi
2003-11-25, 01:07
Well, I personally thinkg that the only shows that won't be licensed are shows that aren't marketable. That would mean that if it's been fansubbed it is possible it will be licensed one day. The only shows that probably won't be licensed are the obscure shows from along time ago. The ones we've never heard of.

ElvenPath
2003-11-25, 01:30
The mysterious cities of gold.

Kamui4356
2003-11-25, 01:49
Here's mine:

Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne
Sister Princess Repure
Slam Dunk
Chrono Trigger

:heh:
Sister Princess was licensed by ADV so I'm sure they at least have an option to repure. Now I don't think Sister Princess will sell, (convinced ADV representive was drunk at the time and thought he was getting Scrapped Princess) but if it does ADV will probably bring Repure over too. I'm sure a lot of anime that right now seems like it'll never be licensed someday will. A smaller company could get a good rep among fans with a release of a series like Kanon or 'Jungle wa Itsumo Hare Nochi Guu' that's well handled

juri_miki
2003-11-25, 02:04
As long as it can sell it will be licensed.
But yes it depends how popular it gets in the fansubbing circuit.

Not even that, some of the shows that I thought would never ever be licensed have been, such as Hana Yori Dango, Boku No Sexual Harassment, Mirage of Blaze, Detective Conan and people were saying that the chance of that happening wasn't even possible.

If I have any shows to throw into the mix it would prolly have to be:
Ebichu, Aka-chan to Boku, Dr.Slump, Cream Lemon, Violinist of Hamelin.

That's all I can think of at the moment though.

Tboz
2003-11-25, 02:37
How about Macross ie. the 7 and the zero?

I heard there are some problem with the distribution rights for the Macross franchises. Can't remember the specific details though. :p

Tabiree
2003-11-25, 05:38
7: music rights are far too expensive

zero: good chance, more than likely has distribution rights already, just hasnt been announced

LuciaMelody
2003-11-25, 12:18
Mermaid Melody... :upset:

Tboz
2003-11-25, 13:11
7: music rights are far too expensive

zero: good chance, more than likely has distribution rights already, just hasnt been announced Ic... I thought its a general case for the recent Macross franchises.

Thanks... :p

Knuckles
2003-11-25, 13:11
I do not think we will see these anime titles licensed.

Akage no Anne - to old
Bottle Fairy - limited marked
Ebichu - too controversial
Hanada - limited marked
Kokoro Library - limited marked
Magical Angel Creamy Mami - to old
Momoiro Sisters - too controversial
One OVA - to old
Papuwa - to old
Piano - limited marked
Psychic Academy - just because
To Heart - just because
Violinist of Hamelin - to old

If anime is over 10 years old I am rather sceptical that someone will license it.
Also some anime titles expect that the viewer knows something about japan
and therefor there is a limited marked.

Kay Hearts
2003-11-25, 19:19
Ebichu

if it was difficult to make an anime version in japan, I donīt see any other country releasing it xDD

hobobaggins
2003-11-25, 19:53
ebichu should not be licensed... they would give another anime for anime-haters to rag on...

there was another manga that makes cartman look angelic. dunno what it is, but i think it was briefly mentioned in shounen jump.

Lambda
2003-11-25, 21:00
I don't think Ebichu is so much a problem due to controversy. I I think it's more than the subbers needed to put so many cultural notes at the beginning to make it understandable that they took up a significant proportion of its running time. Puns which are visually represented so can't be changed but are in a foreign language don't generally appeal.

juri_miki
2003-11-25, 21:16
ebichu should not be licensed... they would give another anime for anime-haters to rag on...

there was another manga that makes cartman look angelic. dunno what it is, but i think it was briefly mentioned in shounen jump.

If that's the cse why even license hentai and extremely violent titles?

As for anime that's over 10 years old not being licensed, that isn't the case. If there's a demand, someone will supply. It's that simple. There have been a lot of 60s and 70s anime popping up as of late.

Seiryuu
2003-11-26, 02:39
Sadly, I would have to put my favorite, Macross 7, on the top of my list of things that won't come for several years. It will come, but only after someone realizes that the legal expenses over the music will definitely be less than the profits to be gained. But to do that, first they'd have to release the old Macross UNALTERED. No one will understand M7 if they haven't seen Macross in its original form.
So far as american anime lacking sophistication, I think Morin should take a look at Amazon.com. Just about any anime that is GOOD draws a crowd in Japan, and these days distributors are grabbing about every good anime within a year of its airing, usually much sooner to DLers' dismay.
BTW, I am SHOCKED. Not one person here has mentioned the most obvious animes of all: Rizelmine and UFO Princess Valkyrie. With the level of concern over child exploitation in the US, any distributor who brings over a show about an adult in a serious relationship with someone under 14 will either be killed or run out of the nation. To be honest, I actually do expect to see Rizelmine here eventually. Yup. Definitely. Just one day after all the pigs in Kansas kill the farmers and fly to the surface of the sun for an ice hockey match.
EDIT: came back across this post and thought I'd note my obvious failure in terms of Valkyrie. I don't know what ADV was thinking.

Fronzel
2003-11-26, 03:03
Wasn't Boku no Sexual Harresment already liscensed?

Koshiba
2003-11-26, 03:14
Rizelmine, Popotan and UFO Princess come to mind.. America seems to be really uptight about "child porn" ^^; I might just eventually get the R2's for Rizelmine though.

Tabiree
2003-11-26, 07:04
Seiryuu: SDF Macross, the original series, has been released by AnimEigo, over 9 DVDs, in three boxed sets. Each set is digitally remastered and is in Japanese with English subtitles only.

7thMethuselah
2003-11-26, 10:08
The mysterious cities of gold.

actually it a licensed anime in europe, it used to be available on VHS in france and belgium. I never considered it anime however, just cartoons. I do have the entire series though :), and i still think zia is a babe :)

Akkarael
2003-11-27, 02:57
I've heard Kodomo no Omocha tossed around as a series that will never be licensed... I guess at some 102(?) episodes filled with cultural references and super-fast dialogue, it might be a tough job to translate for the North American market.

I agree with the verdict on Ebichu, too... if that ever came out on DVD in the US... heh!!

Radd
2003-11-27, 05:00
Macross Seven won't be brought over any time soon due to the cost of licensing both the series and the music. A seperate company owns the music, and wants about as much money just for the music as Big West want's for the series. Too bad, though, since it's a great show.

Macross Zero...you'd expect it to get licensed, wouldn't you? Unfortunately, this may not be the case unless Big West decides that the North American market is worth getting into a legal battle over.

Check out the Macross Legalities thread for more information on that.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=164

raikage
2003-11-27, 05:58
DISCLAIMER: As I live in the U.S., this post relates to the U.S. market (I know nothing about the licensing habits of Europe/Australia/Africa/other Asian markets)

These days, ANYTHING and EVERYTHING is up for grabs...

As anime becomes increasingly popular, companies are releasing more and more stuff into the R1 market

Wasn't DNA≤ around for about ten years before someone got it (made in '94, licensed in '03)

Who remembers watching the fansubs of Azumanga Daioh? Who thought THAT would get licensed? Tons and tons of cultural liner notes, lots of jokes that pretty much only made sense to Japanese people (hence the liner notes),who finds it funny?!? Well, we do, but we make up a VERY SMALL segment of America. The people who get their anime from Cartoon Network & Fox Box will have NO idea what this show is about. Unless you know Japanese culture, it is NOT funny. Yet, ADV picked it up.


Hikaru no Go: With the license of the manga, someone will inevitably license the anime. It's GO!! I loved the show & manga, but what do you think the realistic commercial success of a show about a board game is in the U.S.?

I wasn't around at the time, but didn't people say that Excel Saga would never be liscensed?
I remember hearing that, too. Sure enough, though...

I'm pretty sure Guu will be licensed, seeing as how everyone but me seems to LOVE the show.

I've heard Kodomo no Omocha tossed around as a series that will never be licensed
Isn't Tokyopop releasing the manga?

Koshiba
2003-11-27, 07:49
DISCLAIMER: As I live in the U.S., this post relates to the U.S. market (I know nothing about the licensing habits of Europe/Australia/Africa/other Asian markets)

These days, ANYTHING and EVERYTHING is up for grabs...


Some things won't get licensed because of content though. As far as I know, "child porn" doesn't fly well here in the US. :heh:

Tboz
2003-11-27, 08:53
Macross Seven won't be brought over any time soon due to the cost of licensing both the series and the music. A seperate company owns the music, and wants about as much money just for the music as Big West want's for the series. Too bad, though, since it's a great show.

Macross Zero...you'd expect it to get licensed, wouldn't you? Unfortunately, this may not be the case unless Big West decides that the North American market is worth getting into a legal battle over.

Check out the Macross Legalities thread for more information on that.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=164 Thanks for the link, didn't realize there is a thread for it. :o

Its a big complicated mess from what I see, each company has a small piece of the puzzle and they are not willing to let it go without a price. This is bad...

How about Slam Dunk? It has always been popular, why isn't it licensed? Does it involve some legal battle like Macross too? :confused:

Lambda
2003-11-27, 10:09
Who remembers watching the fansubs of Azumanga Daioh? Who thought THAT would get licensed? Tons and tons of cultural liner notes, lots of jokes that pretty much only made sense to Japanese people (hence the liner notes),who finds it funny?!? Well, we do, but we make up a VERY SMALL segment of America. The people who get their anime from Cartoon Network & Fox Box will have NO idea what this show is about. Unless you know Japanese culture, it is NOT funny. Yet, ADV picked it up.

I know very little about Japanese culture (at least not when I was watching it, I know a bit more now, but it's still not a huge amount), but I still found it funny. There's a lot more to Azumanga Daioh than just culture-based jokes.

monir
2003-11-27, 13:11
So far as american anime lacking sophistication, I think Morin should take a look at Amazon.com. Just about any anime that is GOOD draws a crowd in Japan, and these days distributors are grabbing about every good anime within a year of its airing, usually much sooner to DLers' dismay. With the last batch licensing, my grin cut straight around my head to connect at the back. The downsied is now my head ends at my lower jaw. At least people recognize me better.
BTW, I am SHOCKED. Not one person here has mentioned the most obvious animes of all: Rizelmine and UFO Princess Valkyrie. With the level of concern over child exploitation in the US, any distributor who brings over a show about an adult in a serious relationship with someone under 14 will either be killed or run out of the nation. To be honest, I actually do expect to see Rizelmine here eventually. Yup. Definitely. Just one day after all the pigs in Kansas kill the farmers and fly to the surface of the sun for an ice hockey match.Since Morin doesn't resemble anyone's user name except mine with the first two letter, I will take it..:D...There are sophisticated American animation, few mentioned by Kyuven: Matt Groening (The Simpson, Futurama), Family Guy...Those animations are dedicated to show the social irrationality by masking it via careful comedy...Japanese animation industry do not suffer (atleast to that extent of the American made animation) from many rules and regulation American animation industry has to follow...Not only that, those animation will be dropped at the slightest faltering of rating from the hosting TV network, which is very discouraging to the American Animators...Thus, Network tv safely import animation that suits their rating/popularity needs from Japan, from its various anime-genre as you have mentioned..In business wise they are grabbing anything and everything they can get their hands on, so later in some distant future, far far ahead, they don't have to feel sorry..Beside, they can always sell it to Cable Networks, in the present time..But all these things I reiterated, you covered already...BTW, your grin sounds fierce and extremely painful..As for the pigs, come on, its Kansas we are talking about...Any given day pigs may go for a round trip to the sun for some "ice hockey", if it hasn't happened already and was reported in some tabloids.:D..

Fronzel
2003-11-27, 13:34
I'm pretty sure Guu will be licensed, seeing as how everyone but me seems to LOVE the show

Eh, I thought it was merely "ok," but that's firm reasoning for a liscense. Doesn't Synch Point want it? Why don't they?



I've heard Kodomo no Omocha tossed around as a series that will never be licensed

Isn't Tokyopop releasing the manga?

They are, and they've finished it. Ten volumes. Go get yours today!

Quantsini
2003-11-27, 14:05
isn't the manga of narutaru released in the US? called shadow star or something?

K_R
2003-11-27, 16:07
Some things won't get licensed because of content though. As far as I know, "child porn" doesn't fly well here in the US. :heh:

Funnily enough, there seems to be quite a lot of child pron-type hentai being licensed in the US. Not to mention socially unacceptable practises that are often depicted in H, such as rape.

method
2003-11-27, 18:58
Funnily enough, there seems to be quite a lot of child pron-type hentai being licensed in the US. Not to mention socially unacceptable practises that are often depicted in H, such as rape.

Its easy to get around the child porn thing since they can subtitle the characters as being in college or 18. Problem solved.

Koshiba
2003-11-27, 21:58
isn't the manga of narutaru released in the US? called shadow star or something?

I believe they edited the manga some though.

Koshiba
2003-11-27, 22:00
Funnily enough, there seems to be quite a lot of child pron-type hentai being licensed in the US. Not to mention socially unacceptable practises that are often depicted in H, such as rape.

I haven't seen any US released hentai yet where the characters look like they're 8 years old.. Then again, I'm not into that. And I wasn't talking about hentai. ^^; I was talking about stuff like Rizelmine. Rizelmine would never pass for 18.

monpuchi
2003-11-27, 23:19
Sister Princess was licensed by ADV so I'm sure they at least have an option to repure....

sister princess was licenced? i find that really odd. the reason for that is because incest is much more rare in the US than in Japan. pretty much the only example of open incest (the non x-files kind) in entertainment i can give you from the US off the top of my head is from the movie "the royal tenenbaums" whereas i can give you 30 examples from anime alone.

i'm curious to see how american audiences will react.

Kamui4356
2003-11-28, 01:03
sister princess was licenced? i find that really odd. the reason for that is because incest is much more rare in the US than in Japan. pretty much the only example of open incest (the non x-files kind) in entertainment i can give you from the US off the top of my head is from the movie "the royal tenenbaums" whereas i can give you 30 examples from anime alone.

i'm curious to see how american audiences will react.
I was suprised when I heard it too, but... http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=3865

asaqe
2003-12-01, 00:37
Mermaid melody and tokyo mew mew the first is cause they will screw up on the songs and the other..... well lets think about popularity it will kinda give the american female anime crowd something to diss about and these 2 fit snuggly for that description

Xiandu
2003-12-01, 01:18
Very interesting topic. A lot of anime that no one ever thought would get licensed is starting too. I think it is a bad trend because not everything is for the so called "American audience". But on the otherhand, shows like South Park and Space Lab 2021 deal with stuff that the so called "American audience" would have thought unethical 5 years ago. Hell even "Panty Shot the anime" aka Ikkitousen got licensed. It's only a matter of time before stuff like Rizelmine will become licensed here in America. It will take time however. So stuff may not make it this time around, but stuff like this will be in the not so far future. Just wait and see. Remember how wrong South Park was and how it got so much heat in the press, yet here it is 7-8 years later and the show is still going strong. Hell even Space Ghost has had some controversial shit on. I think it is only a matter of time before "Anime" as a whole will become something of a mainstream not just a fucked up rework for children in the morning.

Seiryuu
2003-12-01, 21:37
Sorry about my last reply. It was late, and I wasn't really awake. The grin thing was pure rambling, but I was a little enthused to find Haibane Renmei, Angelic Layer, Angel's Tail, RAVE, Gundam Seed, and Dragon Drive all licensed. I am semi-fanatical about these series, and didn't expect them all to come in such rapid succession. Many other shows, more "sophisticated", have been licensed. Yes, Monir, I meant you. I just got 2 letters mixed up, so sue me. As far as the pigs and ice hockey, it was perhaps an overuse of mixed metaphors. I just figured that pigs flying, or thinking enough to kill their slaughterers was not quite far-fetched enough without a variation of the "hell-freezes-over" bit. Like I said, I was mostly asleep.
I still believe Rizelmine and Valkyrie won't come to America until things get so screwed up that we have George Bush and Al Gore meeting at a strip club to perform. Sorry, 'nother bad comparison, and scary mental image to boot. One thing I'm sad to see is licensed is Puni Puni Poemi. I saw that show. It was like Excel Saga on crack. And not normal crack, I'm talking the kind that has random chemicals thrown together and then left to steep by the nuclear plant for a few years before distribution. I know it was only logical after Excel, but they should have drawn the line somewhere before that endless abyss of depraved absurdity. At least we're safe from Ebichu.
BTW, Cities of Gold has been here in America, though it might not be in distribution now. I still remember watching a few eps when I was young.
BTW2: Monir, I argued sophistication for awhile, but if you think that the Simpsons, or even worse, the Family Guy, is SOPHISTICATED, then I'm glad most of america doesn't fit your definitions. What is sophisticated about a fat idiot waving his butt around and making pointless jokes about famous people and major groups of people, especially since he obviously has no knowledge of them and is just saying idiotic things and stapling a name to the title? "Look at me, I'm a Christian! I'm reading the Bible! I'm a Christian!" Slugs have more sophistication than that. Monir, the references to the President and his one-time rival was just for you.
I know this was a long thread, but one more thing. It probably will eventually, but I dread the day when Green Green comes here. I don't want to here a voice I can understand coming from the fat boy, especially not in the bear scene...

Vicious
2003-12-01, 22:11
Some very ol' series like Dr. Slump, Dragon Quest (the anime series) and Doraemon will never get licensed, I think.

monir
2003-12-02, 01:11
Monir, the references to the President and his one-time rival was just for you.I am honored.:D I was thinking how Pres. Bush can serve his country beside giving speech while he is high on those nuclear processed steep crack. As for the possibility of Bush and Al performing in a strip club (shudder) is not bad except they (Georgey and Al-y) should make a round trip to Iraq and Afghanistan to perform also. The soldiers there will be entertained by making penis jokes.

I am really shocked to hear that you dont think Simpson and Familiy Guy are not sophisticated. Then what are sophisticated American made animation? Personal views and taste may vary among general American (America as a landscape does not count) but as for social transition to new ideas, those animation are the next best thing to make the transition easier since many truths and pointing fingers are masked behind the ridiculous comedy, IMO.

haha..I am fortunate enough to say I skipped that episode after reading various comment regarding that scene from Green Green..I was busy with other series at that moment..Also I liked your irony filled examples for they made me laugh hard:D..As for my lawsuit, I will save it for next time...

Tabiree
2003-12-02, 01:56
Doraemon

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=3170

Maybe not

Vicious
2003-12-02, 10:57
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=3170

Maybe not
lol came out of the closet :D
Didn't know Doraemon was already licensed... anyways, Dr. Slump and Dragon Quest will never get their chance, I think.

luckme10
2003-12-03, 22:14
"Macross" Will never be licensed in the US That does apply to the north american region which by all means is far superior to any other place on this planet and is by far the center of the world. Everyone knows that. Anyways before I go on a tangent on how great the US is and how everyone wants to be like us I will just say that its called Robotech right? So under the name Macross it won't be licensed.

P.S you better not diss bush. He may pull a Hiroshima on your ass

method
2003-12-04, 00:45
Actually Macross is out in subtitled form from Animeigo

Fei-san
2003-12-04, 06:21
Naruto waaaaaaaaah
and i thought chrono trigger was licensed?
after all with a name like chrono trigger all companies should rush to buy the rights :)

Kyuven
2003-12-04, 15:52
Dr. Slump will likely end up licensed:
it was made by Toriyama
Toriyama made DB, DBZ, and DBGT
DB=money
therefore, Dr. Slump=money
they licensed the SANDLAND manga for chissake

boarder
2004-02-01, 06:42
Dr. Slump will likely end up licensed:
it was made by Toriyama
Toriyama made DB, DBZ, and DBGT
DB=money
therefore, Dr. Slump=money
they licensed the SANDLAND manga for chissake

Is there a plan to license Dr. Slump? I sure hope it will happen.

bluemist
2004-02-01, 08:00
Mermaid melody and tokyo mew mew the first is cause they will screw up on the songs and the other..... well lets think about popularity it will kinda give the american female anime crowd something to diss about and these 2 fit snuggly for that description
I guess I'll count Full Moon wo Sagashite in because it's also a 'singing idol' anime.

But hey, someone licensed Fancy Lala.

In another topic, I would really wonder why Comic Party got noticed first for a license, and not To Heart.

These American companies are very confusing. They get some weird anime to license sometimes. Sister Princess anyone?

Iridi
2004-02-01, 12:12
I guess I'll count Full Moon wo Sagashite in because it's also a 'singing idol' anime.

I too think FMwS is out, not only because it'd be very tough to port the voice talent and songs over, but because it is so depressing yet young-girly and I doubt US marketers could find a proper niche for the thing.

But mostly because they'd probably ruin it if they tried to translate it to a dub, as they can't really just create english songs to run in place of the current japanese ones.

Sad, though (sort of, it's nice that it'll never be ruined, at least)...

Biohazard
2004-02-01, 12:53
I would say Sexy Commando Gaiden: Sugoiyo!! Masarusan will never be licensed! hehehe

CowPower
2004-02-02, 01:01
"Macross" Will never be licensed in the US That does apply to the north american region which by all means is far superior to any other place on this planet and is by far the center of the world. Everyone knows that. Anyways before I go on a tangent on how great the US is and how everyone wants to be like us I will just say that its called Robotech right? So under the name Macross it won't be licensed.

Oh, please. You can hardly compare that tripe called Robotech to the marsterpiece that is Macross. Its like comparing shit and cheese.

Tabiree
2004-02-02, 02:35
Oh, please. You can hardly compare that tripe called Robotech to the marsterpiece that is Macross. Its like comparing shit and cheese.

I happen to like Robotech thanks. I don't jump into threads and have a full-on go at what you like now do I?

wao
2004-02-02, 04:44
I'm just wondering why they haven't licensed Rose of Versailles, if they could license older series... Guess this was just too old, it is hard for many people used to newer animation to watch this.... you'd know what I mean if you've watched it. However, it doesn't have any special cultural notes or anything, it'd be a really nice thing to license. What I want to see licensed is Princess Tutu - I don't really see any reason why not to, and it's a great series. It also can't be controversial or weird in any way... It has been 2 years iirc since it finished, some licensing company better pick it up soon. I'ts not like there are any major legality problems, are there?

JubeiYamazaki
2004-02-02, 08:56
Oh, please. You can hardly compare that tripe called Robotech to the marsterpiece that is Macross. Its like comparing shit and cheese.

You are obviously overlooking the masterfully writing ability of Carl Macek and company, to take three totally unrelated shows (other then the fact they were all produced by the same studio) and forming them into one beautiful story line, the fact that its stellar popularity helped increase the popularity of anime in the America, and lets not forget that it boosted a lot of voice actor careers (Cam Clarke, Tony Oliver) the few voice actors that actually make it worth watching the dubbed version over subbed anime/games. Oh yes, let it us totally ignore the fact that at the time, ROBOTECH challenged the stereotype of what 'cartoons' in the states were by expressing topics that were taboo in children's TV shows at the time (death, hate, prejudice, and politics) And totally forget the great music, and wonderfully sung songs by Cam Clarke and Reba West that are still classic songs to many people (including me) to this day.

So in short, to compare that tripe you call a post, to intelligence, its like comparing shit to cheese.

Edit: Just to stay on topic, I can't see One Piece ever really getting licensed.

Briareos
2004-02-02, 09:22
"Macross" Will never be licensed in the US That does apply to the north american region which by all means is far superior to any other place on this planet and is by far the center of the world. Everyone knows that. Anyways before I go on a tangent on how great the US is and how everyone wants to be like us I will just say that its called Robotech right? So under the name Macross it won't be licensed.

P.S you better not diss bush. He may pull a Hiroshima on your assYa know, with that P.S. B.S., you're the kind of fellow American that I can't stand. Can we stop with the bullying "we're better than you" crap and try being productive and helpful to those not as fortunate? Are you trying to piss people off? *sarcasm* Yeah, let's just rub everyone's noses in Hiroshima.*/sarcasm* What a moronic idea. Do some research and read up on your history. You have a lot to learn, and a lot of maturing to do.

I thought you should know, since you're obviously ignorant of this fact, that Macross IS licensed. Go buy it and see if you think Robotech is better than Macross then.

Macross:
http://store.yahoo.com/animenation/av002-230.html
http://store.yahoo.com/animenation/av002-231.html
http://store.yahoo.com/animenation/av002-232.html

Southern Cross:
http://store.yahoo.com/animenation/dcr-100.html

Genesis Climber Mospeda:
http://store.yahoo.com/animenation/dmo-100.html

Pardon my rant, but I can't stand such basking in such ignorance.

Kyuven
2004-02-02, 14:08
I'm just wondering why they haven't licensed Rose of Versailles, if they could license older series... Guess this was just too old, it is hard for many people used to newer animation to watch this.... you'd know what I mean if you've watched it. However, it doesn't have any special cultural notes or anything, it'd be a really nice thing to license. What I want to see licensed is Princess Tutu - I don't really see any reason why not to, and it's a great series. It also can't be controversial or weird in any way... It has been 2 years iirc since it finished, some licensing company better pick it up soon. I'ts not like there are any major legality problems, are there?
well, the problem is, old shoujo series don't really sell very well unfortunately
hell, all the old series that sell are the ones from the late 80s, Takahashi works, or Lupin -_-

i, too would like to see Princess Tutu licensed, buuuut there are already SO many "princess" titles on the market:
Princess Nine
Sister Princess
UFO Princess Valkyrie
Princess Tutu

that some companies would groan and say "not another PRINCESS title!"

Deralti
2004-02-02, 14:26
I bet Shingetsutan Tsukihime will become licensed(much to my displeasure, because the dubs are going to suck, the voices just...won't be the same), although that certain part at the end of ep 11 won't be shown ;).

I'm sure(and hope) that doraemon will never get licensed. Like mentioned earlier, its way too big, and way too old to make much popularity here. I mean... from what I saw it was a glorified anime-style barney. Still annoying as hell, and still contributing to many hate-based websites.

As for the incest stuff, the main problem isn't the actual actions, its the voices. I mean.. think about it. Compare the # of people that would voice being raped at a younger age(which is, much easier if you're raised in japan, hence having a naturally higher toned accent, to feign immaturity) in japan to the # in America. Thats about 1000 to 1, if not 0.

my two cents.

Kyuven
2004-02-02, 14:30
as anime gets more and more integrated into the US, they'll eventually HAVE to license Doraemon
sooooooo many series make references to Doraemon (GTO's a big one...of course GTO references EVERYTHING from the economy to video games) that people will be wondering "what's Doraemon?"
plus it'll be fun to see all the stupid people debating: "which came first? Digimon, Pokemon, or Doraemon?" (obviously Doraemon came first...come on)

bayoab
2004-02-02, 15:23
Ironically, a few of the series named are already rumored to be licensed...

As for a few which havent been named...
Atashinchi..
One of the macross's is nearly impossible to license...

Tabiree
2004-02-03, 03:46
as anime gets more and more integrated into the US, they'll eventually HAVE to license Doraemon
sooooooo many series make references to Doraemon (GTO's a big one...of course GTO references EVERYTHING from the economy to video games) that people will be wondering "what's Doraemon?"
plus it'll be fun to see all the stupid people debating: "which came first? Digimon, Pokemon, or Doraemon?" (obviously Doraemon came first...come on)


Doraemon is licensed by ShoPro

bayoab
2004-02-03, 13:24
Doraemon is licensed by ShoPro

Doraemon is not licensed by Shopro, Shopro acts somewhere between a middleman for licensing (like Enoki) and an english language version producer. More towards the middleman.

Diedrupo
2004-02-03, 13:48
Urayasu Tekkin Kazoku!

bluemist
2004-02-03, 15:12
Mermaid melody and tokyo mew mew the first is cause they will screw up on the songs and the other..... well lets think about popularity it will kinda give the american female anime crowd something to diss about and these 2 fit snuggly for that description

Tokyo Mew Mew has just been licensed by... 4Kids.

And now it will be Hollywood Mew Mew.

Seriously. They will 'dub' it so that "you'll never know they're from Tokyo".

And some of us thought it will never be licensed...

Domasai
2004-02-04, 07:41
Ya know, with that P.S. B.S., you're the kind of fellow American that I can't stand. Can we stop with the bullying "we're better than you" crap and try being productive and helpful to those not as fortunate? Are you trying to piss people off? *sarcasm* Yeah, let's just rub everyone's noses in Hiroshima.*/sarcasm* What a moronic idea. Do some research and read up on your history. You have a lot to learn, and a lot of maturing to do.

Pardon my rant, but I can't stand such basking in such ignorance.
Unless I miss my guess and the world really is currently the creamy center of Hell, I think he was kidding. And if he wasn't - good point.

As for shows that will NEVER get licensed:
Ebichu won't, which should be obvious. Kodocha WILL be. It's just gonna take another year or so. Naruto and One Piece will make it. If you saw the amount of Naruto and One Piece toys I sell every day to kids whose only exposure to the series is Shonen Jump, you'd have no doubts that they're coming. They are cash cows to end all cows. Just pray 4Kids doesn't get them.

And the number of shows that won't get licensed is simply going to dwindle more and more each year. A lot of the really old stuff won't make it - many have already referenced several in this thread. Doraemon can't possibly come over here. I mean, I love it but I can't fathom there being much of a market here and it's simply too freaking long. I'm shocked when anime distributors in North America license anything with more than twenty-six episodes. And thankfully with the release of the manga to Prince of Tennis and Hikaru no Go in the States, I'm hoping they'll both be picked up sooner or later.

jordanlim4
2004-02-04, 08:06
Kanon - what i think is that, its quite a good anime... however its just too short like some of the animes that it is made not possible to liscense...

Btw... the rest I never/did not watch at all...

Oh well.. Who cares abt North america anyway??... When there's no liscense = no stupid voice acts made by poor actress and actors (voice) from that pathetic poor company.. In my views, chinese voice acts are 500000% better than the english... because they are very close to the real voice actor's / actress's voice acts

Kyuven
2004-02-04, 14:31
Oh well.. Who cares abt North america anyway??... When there's no liscense = no stupid voice acts made by poor actress and actors (voice) from that pathetic poor company.. In my views, chinese voice acts are 500000% better than the english... because they are very close to the real voice actor's / actress's voice acts

because chinese sounds more similar to japanese than english does
it's possible for a dub to sound pretty good, take a look at spirited away

method
2004-02-04, 20:11
Kanon - what i think is that, its quite a good anime... however its just too short like some of the animes that it is made not possible to liscense...

Btw... the rest I never/did not watch at all...

Oh well.. Who cares abt North america anyway??... When there's no liscense = no stupid voice acts made by poor actress and actors (voice) from that pathetic poor company.. In my views, chinese voice acts are 500000% better than the english... because they are very close to the real voice actor's / actress's voice acts


Dang you mean that people have to listen to the dub. Get this most people on this board don't understand Chinese, so it doesn't matter how good you think the Chinese voice actors are. :argue:

kyosuke
2004-02-04, 20:37
why do you think they won't be licensed?
Of course they will be licensed. Well, at least some of them.

Tabiree
2004-02-04, 22:39
Kanon - what i think is that, its quite a good anime... however its just too short like some of the animes that it is made not possible to liscense...

Btw... the rest I never/did not watch at all...

Oh well.. Who cares abt North america anyway??... When there's no liscense = no stupid voice acts made by poor actress and actors (voice) from that pathetic poor company.. In my views, chinese voice acts are 500000% better than the english... because they are very close to the real voice actor's / actress's voice acts


There is no real intelligable reply to this. There really just isn't.

Iridi
2004-02-05, 00:01
(snip) Kodocha WILL be. (snip)

I think Kodomo no Omocha is far too culturally referencing and hyper for US video/tv.
I wouldn't bet against it, but I don't think it'll happen, either.

Masaki_Yukio
2004-02-24, 15:59
It seems that nowadays, the US is closing the gap between the dates that any given series/game released in Japan and here.

That aside......I would have to say(for some odd reason...) Maburaho...

It's just my intuition.. .

JK

chamelean75
2004-02-24, 16:07
hmmm I would say Yumeria and Gun Slinger Girls and Maria-sama Miteru. Maria cause I don't think the lesbian undtertones would do too well in the USA. Yumeria cause of that freakish teacher and his attachment to little girls and Gun Slinger Girls (tho i've never actually watched this anime tho i've read about it on the forum) because it's just waaaaaay too disturbing for American Society.

chamelean75
2004-02-24, 16:10
oh yea and that show with those little pups with tea leaves as ears.

Masaki_Yukio
2004-02-24, 16:38
Personally, i think that Gunslinger Girl will get liscenced. If not in a few months after a DVD release in Japan, then within a year..

JK

stormy001_M1A2
2004-02-24, 17:02
Ebichu The Housekeeping Hamster.

Hehehehe

bluemist
2004-02-24, 17:28
I think Gunslinger Girl will be licensed if the manga gets popularity. Yes, the manga is being released in English over there in America. Forgot who did it though, it's either Tokyopop or ADV Manga.

Masaki_Yukio
2004-02-24, 18:55
The manga is released already by ADV mangas. Glad TokyoPop didn't get to it...

They really suck at it. They downgrade the quality of the work by making the manga bigger...ruining the shadings and stuff... :mad:

JK

Diedrupo
2004-02-24, 19:05
Why would Maria-sama not do well in the US? People love girls!

animelatino
2004-02-24, 19:13
undefined Why wouldn't they License Kanon? I thinkt that that is a story worth licensing, It has comedy, romance and a lot of emotion. And here I was hoping for a release. :sad:

Diedrupo
2004-02-24, 19:42
H game-based anime seem to be cursed when it comes to US releases. Most of the ones currently out here are porn anime (I use the word porn because that's what that particularly type of anime is used for). Comic Party is going to be the biggest non-ero H game-based anime to come out here, and it's probably because it's got a heavy doujinshi/otaku theme.

I think the reason H game anime isn't very viable here yet is because the only people who watch this stuff are guys who like romance and drama, and as we all know, only a small minority of american males are into that kind of stuff. Most guys are Dragonball/Naruto fans.

relentlessflame
2004-02-24, 19:59
H game-based anime seem to be cursed when it comes to US releases. Most of the ones currently out here are porn anime (I use the word porn because that's what that particularly type of anime is used for). Comic Party is going to be the biggest non-ero H game-based anime to come out here, and it's probably because it's got a heavy doujinshi/otaku theme.

I think the reason H game anime isn't very viable here yet is because the only people who watch this stuff are guys who like romance and drama, and as we all know, only a small minority of american males are into that kind of stuff. Most guys are Dragonball/Naruto fans.

Yeah, I was just going to say the same thing. It's the old stereotypes, of course, but the sales and marketing research data seems to back it up, sadly. Personally, I would absolutely love to see the release of some of the great ero-game-based animes, as I really enjoy them a lot; romance/drama is probably my favorite anime genre.

One anime that I think has a good chance of breaking the ero-game curse, though, is Tsukihime, simply because of the theme and the action. I know a lot of guys who are typically action fans, but loved that anime. Those of us who are romance/drama fans, though, probably enjoyed it for a whole other reason (I know I did). So, if ever there were a good "cross-over" anime to break the curse, Tsukihime would be the one.

One thing that surprised me a little is that Sister Princess got licensed. I know that's not based on a game, but it is somewhat similar in terms of theme and "flavour" if I were to say so. Granted, it's a fair bit more light-hearted than Kanon or Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien (okay, a LOT more light-hearted than that), but I would think that it would appeal to the same demographic that would watch an anime like Kanon. I wonder if it is some sort of a market test?

Diedrupo
2004-02-24, 20:04
The other cool thing about Tsukihime is that it is the 2nd anime to be based on a doujin (independently produced).
And Kimi ga nozomu eien does have an excellent story, but unless it's marketed towards girls, it won't do well here. And that probably won't happen.

However, Seraphim Call and Sentimental Journey are coming out here. While not based on games (at least I'm not sure), they are pretty much in the genre or similar to it.

Masaki_Yukio
2004-02-24, 20:10
Yeah.. It seems unlikely that Tsukihime will end up being liscenced... Oh well, I got a DVD player that can play Japanese DVDs, I'll ask my friend in Japan to send me the DVDs (limited editions would be nice..... :heh: )

Personally I am into drama more than action. It seems that there are too many action Anime here in America that it turns me off to it. Ocassionally i can find a good drama Anime (Ima Sokoni Iru Boku) and can go on with my life....

I think I should organize a group and get those types of Anime liscenced.. And take over the world in the process.... :)

JK

relentlessflame
2004-02-24, 20:11
And Kimi ga nozomu eien does have an excellent story, but unless it's marketed towards girls, it won't do well here. And that probably won't happen.
You're probably right in a sense, but there just would seem to me to be something utterly and fundamentally wrong about an anime based on an ero-game like that being mass-marketed to girls. I mean... it would just seem wierd... Oh well, I did enjoy Fruits Basket, and that *was* a "girls" anime; I just didn't think that the guys were "cute" the way my sisters did!


However, Seraphim Call and Sentimental Journey are coming out here. While not based on games (at least I'm not sure), they are pretty much in the genre or similar to it.
Hmm... I'll have to check those out when they get released.

Edit:
I think I should organize a group and get those types of Anime liscenced.. And take over the world in the process.... :)
Oooh! Where do I sign up?

Masaki_Yukio
2004-02-25, 15:09
If I were still living in Korea, I would be watching all of these series now..... :mad:

I wish some of these publishers/distributors would not be so discriminating... :sad:


I hope they get Bushilord liscenced as soon as it comes out...

JK

Seiryuu
2004-02-27, 02:03
I'm not sure, but it seems that Viz always licenses manga before anime. I've seen a few series grabbed in manga form by Viz, and then, when Viz has proof that folks like the story, they grab the anime. Many anime come first in manga. That's why I knew that someone would grab Tokyo Mew Mew, though I weep for what may happen to it(Couldn't they have found a better city of origin than HOLLYWOOD???). Thank God that certain fansubbing groups ignore butcher licenses. This is one series that I'm getting the fansub, and I will never get the DVD.
Sorry, Mew Mew depresses me. Back on subject, given what I've said earlier, I'm certain that a few shows WILL come: Hikaru no Go(I wait longingly for that day...) and Naruto(When that happens, ANBU better not call it quits).
Anyway, they'd BETTER never license Mermaid Melody. And if someone does, then they'd best leave the songs alone. Aside from some Ranma songs, Japanese songs don't do good with English lyrics. I really don't want to hear one of those songs in English any more than I want to hear the fat guy from Green Green I mentioned awhile ago.

bayoab
2004-02-27, 03:18
I'm not sure, but it seems that Viz always licenses manga before anime. I've seen a few series grabbed in manga form by Viz, and then, when Viz has proof that folks like the story, they grab the anime. Many anime come first in manga.

Actually, Viz does not have the rights to a single Shounen jump property that i can recall. They do however license everything rumiko.

What do you mean by come first as manga? If you mean the manga is released in english (R1) before the anime, this is almost untrue. It has only recently happened that manga has been licensed in mass and released before the animes.

Also, 4kids is the only company that is really doing the butchering of their series. Most other companies are careful to edit as little as possible for TV.

Masaki_Yukio
2004-02-27, 15:09
Aside from some Ranma songs, Japanese songs don't do good with English lyrics. I really don't want to hear one of those songs in English any more than I want to hear the fat guy from Green Green I mentioned awhile ago.

Definately. I get tired of these, "Americanized" theme songs, they're so lame... :mad:

Also, 4kids is the only company that is really doing the butchering of their series. Most other companies are careful to edit as little as possible for TV.

Funimation is also one that butchers series. If it weren't for them, i may have (and i highly stress the "May have" greatly) enjoyed DBZ. :twitch:

JK

method
2004-02-27, 16:57
Funi has greatly improved since the early days of DBZ. Also they are going back and redoing the first 53 episodes. They also have done great releases like Blue Gender and Fruits Basket.

Mr_Paper
2004-02-27, 17:14
It's true, they have greatly improved and in their defence the reason
for the so-called "butchered" DBZ was that in order for it to be aired
on television it had to meet PG viewing standards. (ie: no blood, no
death, etc..)

Even so, the uncut/unedited tapes came out just as fast as the edited
versions. If you didn't like how it was televised you could have always
bought the uncut versions. 4Kids doesn't have that excuse... they just
seem to enjoy ruining good series. :eyebrow:

Tabiree
2004-02-27, 19:55
It's true, they have greatly improved and in their defence the reason
for the so-called "butchered" DBZ was that in order for it to be aired
on television it had to meet PG viewing standards. (ie: no blood, no
death, etc..)

Even so, the uncut/unedited tapes came out just as fast as the edited
versions. If you didn't like how it was televised you could have always
bought the uncut versions. 4Kids doesn't have that excuse... they just
seem to enjoy ruining good series. :eyebrow:

Mew Mew is good?

Mr_Paper
2004-02-28, 00:51
Some people think so...

NoSanninWa
2004-10-16, 01:32
However, Seraphim Call and Sentimental Journey are coming out here. While not based on games (at least I'm not sure), they are pretty much in the genre or similar to it.
Hmm... I'll have to check those out when they get released.

Seraphim Call is coming out on two DVDs in December.

I'm a bit shocked myself that it got licensed. I would have thought that the studios would have figured that the storytelling was too weird to sell as a showcase for cute girls.

Bravo for Media Blasters to license this one. Unfortunately I expect that the audience for the series doesn't really exist. Based on their decision to release it on a single $30 set of 2 DVDs, I think that they agree with me that it will be hard to sell.

Joe Dalton
2004-10-17, 07:43
school rumble won't get licensced

_yeah
2004-10-17, 08:16
That's what they said about Azumanga too, you know.

Fox
2004-10-17, 13:50
The 3 Eldoran series probably won't get licensed, simply because they're 10 years old now, and most shows ignored for this long, unless they're classic, tend to be ignored by companies looking for hot new properties. It probably doesn't help that they are kid-oriented either... although Raijin-Oh was 10th on a list of top 10 Super Robo(I think it was just SR) anime polled in a Japanese anime magazine. Don't remember which one, but ran across that in Google when I was looking for some pics of the DX figures.

Most of the Yuusha series will likely never be licensed because they're jointly owned by Takara and Sunrise, IIRC. Given that Takara works with Hasbro stateside, and Sunrise is in Bandai's hip pocket, and that Hasbro and Bandai hate each other's guts...
Well, with GGG they might find a way eventually, but the rest probably wouldn't be considered worth the trouble by the various licensers.

Jenichan
2004-10-17, 14:41
It's funny to see that almost a year after this thread started, a lot of the shows that people said would never be licensed now are. I too am suprised that shows like Princess Tutu (even tho I love it) and Mermaid Melody got licensed as well as Kodomo no Omocha (just for sheer weirdness).

Some more recent shows that I don't think will be licensed? Probably Marimite (cause it's kinda slow for most people) and maaaybe Aishiteruze Baby (I really can't see them releasing that here).

7thMethuselah
2004-10-17, 16:05
It's funny to see that almost a year after this thread started, a lot of the shows that people said would never be licensed now are. I too am suprised that shows like Princess Tutu (even tho I love it) and Mermaid Melody got licensed as well as Kodomo no Omocha (just for sheer weirdness).

Some more recent shows that I don't think will be licensed? Probably Marimite (cause it's kinda slow for most people) and maaaybe Aishiteruze Baby (I really can't see them releasing that here).

I'm not to sure about that actually, they even licensed Piano and that is a show in which NOTHING ever happens :heh: (I loved it though). Even To Heart is licensed. Somehow I'm positive Aishiteru ze Baby will get a license or Maria-sama for that matter...

PS I have to think positive because I want them... really bad :D

FarthingRedFox
2004-10-18, 22:08
If Naruto gets licensed i will yell "Halle-f**kin'-lujah!"

anyways

it's sad to see "Ginga: Nagareboshi Gin" unwanted in the american public

Alcy
2004-10-18, 23:17
Anything could be licensed, technically, but I doubt older series like Highschool! Kimengumi or Mahou no Princess Minky Momo will be licensed anytime soon. I'd also be surprised to see Angelique get licensed, the games have been popular in Japan for 10 years (and the manga and OAVs since their releases), but it's just starting to get fansubbed, and none of it is licensed.

Actually..then again, Sailor Stars will never be licensed for English release because the Japanese production company doesn't want the show to lose its reputation in Western countries.

zrdb
2006-07-17, 21:58
2 years later you guys have to eat a lot of your words-Popotan made it over as did a lot of the other stuff-Sailor Stars never will as all of the us licenses to Sailor Moon have expired and won't get renewed-Slayers is gone and despite Funmation claiming to have picked up the license they dropped it like a hot potato.

Yotsuba
2006-07-17, 23:12
I bet no one would have bet on Koi Kaze being liscenced. Did anyone expect that? Honestly?
Not only is it a pretty huge age difference (15 year old girl with a 27 year old guy) but they're BLOOD siblings.

A lot of times in manga, there's some twist that makes it so that they're actually not related by blood, but they were for 100% in that case. I think anything can get liscened. If they find something TOO objectional, they'll just censor it to their liking, period.

A lot of people are wondering why HachiKuro isn't getting liscened, and I bet part of it is how Hagu looks so young. It's almost believeable in Japan, where there ARE 18 year old girls who look really young and cute for their age, but not in the US. Her character design wouldn't be well recieved. Morita and Takemoto would look like loli-snatchers to most people, and probably wouldn't even give the series a rightful chance, IMO.

aardvark
2006-07-17, 23:36
2 years later you guys have to eat a lot of your words-Popotan made it over as did a lot of the other stuff-Sailor Stars never will as all of the us licenses to Sailor Moon have expired and won't get renewed-Slayers is gone and despite Funmation claiming to have picked up the license they dropped it like a hot potato.
As far as I know Funi are still planning on doing Slayers.

wingdarkness
2006-07-17, 23:50
JoJo's Bizarre adventures...I don't think that ever got a dub...I know I always wanted to buy it because it was one of the first JP fansubs I had ever saw during my anime maturation process...The VHS rip looked completley awful but me and my friends still loved it^^...and I still have it on craptastic VHS...

bayoab
2006-07-17, 23:58
2 years later you guys have to eat a lot of your words-Popotan made it over as did a lot of the other stuff-Sailor Stars never will as all of the us licenses to Sailor Moon have expired and won't get renewed-Slayers is gone and despite Funmation claiming to have picked up the license they dropped it like a hot potato.

As far as I know Funi are still planning on doing Slayers.
Funi is waiting for better materials on Slayers to arrive from Japan iirc.

Kamui4356
2006-07-18, 00:03
JoJo's Bizarre adventures...I don't think that ever got a dub...I know I always wanted to buy it because it was one of the first JP fansubs I had ever saw during my anime maturation process...The VHS rip looked completley awful but me and my friends still loved it^^...and I still have it on craptastic VHS...
I'm pretty sure the dvds (http://www.animenation.com/dvd-anime-dvd--h---k--jojo-s-bizarre-adventure.html) are bilingual. ;)

Anyway, this thread is an interesting read. A lot of the series we were all so sure would never see the light of day in region 1 have since been licensed. :heh:

As for more recent series, I think it's probably safe to say Binchou-tan will never be licensed. Though I'd love to see the reaction if they ever aired it on cartoon network. :heh:

NoSanninWa
2006-07-18, 00:14
I bet no one would have bet on Koi Kaze being liscenced. Did anyone expect that? Honestly?
Not only is it a pretty huge age difference (15 year old girl with a 27 year old guy) but they're BLOOD siblings.

A lot of times in manga, there's some twist that makes it so that they're actually not related by blood, but they were for 100% in that case. I think anything can get liscened. If they find something TOO objectional, they'll just censor it to their liking, period.
I would also have bet my life that Koi Kaze could not be licensed. After that, I will never again say that anything cannot be licensed. Anything.

Aishiteruze Baby and MariMite are a hundred times more likely to license than Koi Kaze.

wingdarkness
2006-07-18, 00:21
Yeah come to think of it other than maybe a chibi erotic ecchi (Like Bichotan seems to be, I've only seen clips) I can't see any anime not being licensed anymore...So much for the anime companies suffering from the online community...That ain't stopping them from licensing every damn show in site...F*ck I wanna be a voice actor now...They have gotta be cleaning-up...How do I get started!?! I actually can do this...

Kamui4356
2006-07-18, 01:22
Yeah come to think of it other than maybe a chibi erotic ecchi (Like Bichotan seems to be, I've only seen clips) I can't see any anime not being licensed anymore...So much for the anime companies suffering from the online community...That ain't stopping them from licensing every damn show in site...F*ck I wanna be a voice actor now...They have gotta be cleaning-up...How do I get started!?! I actually can do this...
It isn't ecchi, it's just... odd... and slow paced. It's slice of life in it's purest form. I liked it, but I can't imagine it having any appeal to the american market. I doubt a company will take a chance on a series that probably won't even break even.

Though you're right, we can't say for sure any given anime won't be licensed. There have been some announcements lately that made me question the sanity of the people in the licensing departments. :heh:

Veritas
2006-07-18, 01:25
Binchotan isn't erotic or ecchi in the slightest.

Anime that won't get licensed? Any unpopular one. Social taboos will always be disregarded if companies think they can make money off of it.

raphaŽl
2006-07-18, 01:59
Bincho tan is the only anime I stopped watching in the middle of the first ep. So boring, so useless, so... nothing. Even the good technical quality can't make it up for that.

I guess it's been mentioned already, but it's quite unlikely something like Ebichu gets licenced. :heh:

About Aishiteruze Baby, I just think the animation sucks too much to be attractive to anyone. Then, if I talk from an european point of view, there's no way a "love-story" between a young man and a 5-year old little girl would be accepted in these days.

Ziv
2006-07-18, 02:31
just because what they show on TV is total crap doesn't mean americans are less "sophisticated"
most of my friends and I don't even watch TV anymore with the exception of a few select shows + anime.

Lotiman
2006-07-18, 07:13
Bincho tan is the only anime I stopped watching in the middle of the first ep. So boring, so useless, so... nothing. Even the good technical quality can't make it up for that.

I guess it's been mentioned already, but it's quite unlikely something like Ebichu gets licenced. :heh:

About Aishiteruze Baby, I just think the animation sucks too much to be attractive to anyone. Then, if I talk from an european point of view, there's no way a "love-story" between a young man and a 5-year old little girl would be accepted in these days.

Well I dono about others, but I hate it at the begining. Same thought as you. But after a few of my friends nagging asking me to continue and as I did and found myself enjoying the show very much. Weird animation but good story. 5/5

DaFool
2006-07-18, 07:25
I'd also be surprised to see Angelique get licensed, the games have been popular in Japan for 10 years (and the manga and OAVs since their releases), but it's just starting to get fansubbed, and none of it is licensed.


I'd expect Media Blasters to license such material.

I bet no one would have bet on Koi Kaze being liscenced. Did anyone expect that? Honestly?
Not only is it a pretty huge age difference (15 year old girl with a 27 year old guy) but they're BLOOD siblings.


I'm certain it was a co-production / co-funded. Geneon USA was in the original credits in the fansubs that were released prior to the DVDs.


Overall I think we're back to the old days of licensing: A few smatterings of blockbuster expensive titles along with multitude of very cheap licenses. I'm pretty sure Honey & Clover, Nana, and other primetime anime are very, very expensive, but not falling within the Naruto / Bleach / FMA crowd, they might be risky investments. Of course I could be wrong.

Hopefully 'blockbuster' titles will cease being just anything that's Gonzo (crap productions included), and the very cheap licenses will include somewhat newer fare, though its great that they're still picking some fan material, even if sub-only.

bayoab
2006-07-18, 09:32
I'm certain it was a co-production / co-funded. Geneon USA was in the original credits in the fansubs that were released prior to the DVDs.
It was.

I would also have bet my life that Koi Kaze could not be licensed. After that, I will never again say that anything cannot be licensed. Anything.

Aishiteruze Baby and MariMite are a hundred times more likely to license than Koi Kaze.
I am pretty sure vegas is still putting 1:100000 on Macross 7, Ebichu (although I wouldn't be surprised if MB got this one eventually), and a few other examples of those "Hell freezes over first before it gets licensed" titles.

Shiroth
2006-07-18, 09:34
Two shows i know that'll never get licensed, Air & Kanon.

And thinking about it a lot more.. Utawarerumono, but its hard to say with that one.

physics223
2006-07-18, 10:27
I'd say Legendary Gambler Tetsuya probably won't get licensed. :)

PastPrime
2006-07-18, 11:51
Bincho tan is the only anime I stopped watching in the middle of the first ep. So boring, so useless, so... nothing. Even the good technical quality can't make it up for that.

I guess it's been mentioned already, but it's quite unlikely something like Ebichu gets licenced. :heh:

About Aishiteruze Baby, I just think the animation sucks too much to be attractive to anyone. Then, if I talk from an european point of view, there's no way a "love-story" between a young man and a 5-year old little girl would be accepted in these days.
You must not have watched Aishiteruze Baby since it was basically a Brother-Sister relationship. The love story involved him and his classmate and I don't think that most people would have a problem with two highschool students.

physics223
2006-07-18, 17:35
Honey and Clover, despite how great it is, will probably have a hard time getting licensed for the sheer fact of the money it will take to license all the songs in it. Suga Shikao, Spitz and Yuki aren't exactly nobodies in Japan.

mangafanatic
2006-07-18, 18:04
I agree with physics223. I don't think Honey and Clover is ever going to get its day in the sun here in N. America. In adddition to the reasons listed by physics223, I think the show won't be licensed because its niche audience doesn't really exist in the United States. I mean, how much of the anime purchasing demographic are adult woman? A relatively small fraction would be my guess. It's a cryin' shame, though. *sigh*

Also, despite its popularity in the fansub circle, it seems no one really cares to license Beck. To an extent, I wonder that this might be due to the fact that the show contained a pretty steady stream of some pretty offensive language in English. It seems that an licenser would be in a bit of a delimna from a rating stand point in aiming the show at the right age group when you consider the sheer number of F words in the show. *The stream of language annoyed me. Urgh.*

So-- it seems that a lot of music in a show dooms it to the pit of un-license-ability. Afterall, how long did it take from some stupid company to pick up Full Moon? Three years?

Forbin
2006-07-18, 18:15
Ummm Mangafanatic,

Beck is licensed. Now how much music made it, that's another question.

Vexx
2006-07-18, 18:42
I never finished the whole Bincho-tan series but my take was that it might make a good naptime story for pre-schoolers... beautifully done of course :)

The stage is almost set for "grownup" anime/animation like H&C, AIR, etc to make an entry into America (at least at a PBS level or so... Anime Masterpiece Theatre) with the long runs of Simpsons, Family Guy, Futurama, South Park, etc.... but it'll take someone with some marketing and funding outside of the current herd of distributors. It may take some homegrown animated dramatic comedy to break the "toon line". I don't see it happening on broadcast tv outside of PBS... more likely cable/satellite.

Lets face it though... a lot of the stuff people like in anime ... is liked *because* it has a japanese cultural flavor. There's an audience in the US for that but it isn't the Survival/Idol/Rockstar 'bread'n'circuses' crowd. The people who like period films, series set in other countries, etc.

I drifted a little (okay a lot).... if the licensing model would change (say, to a "per unit sale" instead of up front) you'd see a LOT more niche items. Most business analysts say the era of Big Ticket Items (aka Britney Spears) are over.. and that with the new distribution streams, having thousands of niche markets is a more sustainable place to be. (like printing up manga as you sell it rather than in clumps).

I guess we'll see.

mangafanatic
2006-07-18, 20:06
Ummm Mangafanatic,

Beck is licensed. Now how much music made it, that's another question.


Wow, when did that happen!? *scrambles off, smacking herself for not hearing this important news!*

SpaceDrake
2006-07-18, 20:29
You know, I wanna say that Higurashi won't be liscensed, but I dunno. It's done well enough on the fansub circle (and despite what they say I'm certain the dub companies DO pay attention to how well material does in the fan circles) and it's got enough of a "Twin Peaks" vibe that it might, just might, get a following in the U.S. Tsukihime saw release here, after all, and did pretty well.

DanielSong39
2006-07-18, 20:31
Candy Candy

The legal battle continues...

DaFool
2006-07-19, 09:15
I agree with physics223. I don't think Honey and Clover is ever going to get its day in the sun here in N. America. In adddition to the reasons listed by physics223, I think the show won't be licensed because its niche audience doesn't really exist in the United States. I mean, how much of the anime purchasing demographic are adult woman? A relatively small fraction would be my guess. It's a cryin' shame, though. *sigh*


I thought at first I'd disagree, then realize that yeah, fangirls (of the yaoi type) aren't exactly the demographic for such show. But then again, the show seems to be popular enough with the shoujo men (i.e. those who like slice-of-life, and tend to be older than the Shonen Jump and even the Guns Babes Blood crowds)

To expand on what I mentioned earlier, its more an issue with splitting agreements among multiple companies. And multiple companies are the norm for expensive productions, or productions that feature multiple talents and / or multiple incarnations. Not everyone tends to be satisfied with the deals, and when the product finally filters to the fans, not everyone can be happy. And licensors would rather forego the headaches and just go with quick one-stop deals. Now this wouldn't be a problem if the corporation (such as Viz or Geneon) was big enough that their parents essentially serve as umbrella for these properties and thus provide consolidation.

.... if the licensing model would change (say, to a "per unit sale" instead of up front) you'd see a LOT more niche items. Most business analysts say the era of Big Ticket Items (aka Britney Spears) are over.. and that with the new distribution streams, having thousands of niche markets is a more sustainable place to be. (like printing up manga as you sell it rather than in clumps).

I guess we'll see.

Actually in the developing world the opposite seems to be taking effect. Everything is heading towards the mainstream, and if its not hot, then it's just not. This doesn't just apply to entertainment but consumer products as well. Then again, it could be just the case of invasion of multinationals who purchase out local industries and streamline their platforms for cost-effectiveness. The franchise system then spills back into the entertainment industry (such as with American / Idol franchise). Why else would corporations be so supportive of Internet 2 if it isn't more control? It's because Internet 2 with its stricter protocols (note I barely know this subject myself) poses a threat to true peer-to-peer, P2P being the true free anarchy that allows for fans entertaining themselves through doujinshi and other means.

Niches are fan-maintained, and they need P2P, not a top-down broadcast system. Of course there are companies who support niches because they serve a specific demographic, but the majority are top-down...thats why they squealed when the television broadcast was invented because they thought it would cut into movies, they squealed again when the VCR was invented because they thought it would cut into television, now they are squealing regarding P2P because they argue it cuts into movies [I]and television, and even the ridiculous expensive sponsor fees couldn't fund them.

Regarding anime licensing, actually its been mentioned (in one of the Ask John's) that most licensing is a combination of up-front plus unit sales, it really depends on the licensor. More likely, the older and less hot the title, the more up-front it would be. Now ideally per unit system sounds good because then there wouldn't be such a hassle when, say the brick-and-mortar retailer feels your DVDs are not selling then ship a whole lot back to you. However note that oil prices being high this system of micromanagement might actually be more expensive.

zalas
2006-07-19, 15:13
Two shows i know that'll never get licensed, Air & Kanon.

And thinking about it a lot more.. Utawarerumono, but its hard to say with that one.
You'd probably be able to sell Utawarerumono as a war epic without too many problems. Ren'ai is a much harder (though not impossible) sell.

Shinji103
2006-07-20, 01:56
Heh, I thought the Jinki: Extend anime would never be licensed, but after it was, I vowed never to doubt a series-es' license-ability. lol

Shiroth
2006-07-20, 14:54
You'd probably be able to sell Utawarerumono as a war epic without too many problems.
You're pretty right there, but even with that.. i just can't see it being licensed. The same with how i feeling about Air & Kanon.

Mr. DJ
2006-07-20, 16:05
as much as I'd like it to...I think everyone knows this..Sailor Moon: Sailor Stars will never see the light of day in the US

SpaceDrake
2006-08-05, 15:15
You're pretty right there, but even with that.. i just can't see it being licensed. The same with how i feeling about Air & Kanon.

Well, guess what got liscensed today. :D

With the title change they do seem to be whipping the "war epic" part for all it's worth, which may or may not be a mistake.

Deathkillz
2006-08-05, 15:24
You're pretty right there, but even with that.. i just can't see it being licensed. The same with how i feeling about Air & Kanon.

rofl now you jinxed it and the new title 'Shadow Warrior Chronicles' just makes it into a warrior/samurai/ninja thing...which it isnt...

stinkie
2006-08-05, 15:31
I really don't think yakitate japan can be brought over just due to the sheer number of references it makes to japan

Veni-vidi-vici
2006-08-05, 16:09
school rumble won't get licensced

That's what I thought at first... but it just got licensed. Part of me just died:upset:

Haohmaru
2006-08-05, 17:52
Monster never got licensed :S. Whereas it's the best thriller ever.

Poseidal
2006-08-06, 07:19
Heavy Metal L-Gaim
Panzer World Galient

These are both old, niche and good. However, Aura Battler Dunbine got licensed out of nowhere (although I hear the localization was pretty poor) so it may yet be possible.

Likely
2006-08-09, 00:31
my vote goes to, boku wa imouto ni koi wo suru, loosely translated as "i love my sister."

i just dont think the american companies are in line to put this thing out on dvd. to the show's credit though, it's closer to romeo and juliet than hentai.

NoSanninWa
2006-08-09, 00:50
my vote goes to, boku wa imouto ni koi wo suru, loosely translated as "i love my sister."

i just dont think the american companies are in line to put this thing out on dvd. to the show's credit though, it's closer to romeo and juliet than hentai.
Oh sure. I would have agreed with you once, but Koi Kaze was licensed and that is also about a brother and sister having a romantic relationship. Having seen both, I will tell you that it just doesn't seem any less likely than Koi Kaze. I might even say it is more more because 1 episode is a lot easier to sell, than than 13 episodes of incest.

Urzu 7
2006-08-09, 02:23
Two words: My Pico. Yeah, that won't make it to US retail stores. :heh:

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs
2006-08-09, 05:14
You need to keep up on liscense news then.

Anyhow, since these topics almost ALWARD get things liscensed because God likes humour, I'll add Nanoha (all of it), KGNE and Yami to Boushi.

Varion
2006-08-09, 05:18
KGNE
But KGNE is licensed... :heh:

raphaŽl
2006-08-09, 09:48
Monster never got licensed :S. Whereas it's the best thriller ever.
Well, I suppose it's just a matter of time. I don't know about America, but in France (and in Europe I would say) the manga was (is) a huge hit. :D

I really don't think yakitate japan can be brought over just due to the sheer number of references it makes to japan
And what about the other references? The manga is already translated in French, and I suppose the anime will follow eventually.

The French covers of the manga (http://www.akata.fr/manga.php?id=38)

Nergol
2006-12-23, 16:43
Who knows? We could all be wrong. When I first saw it, I would have told you that not in ten billion years would Koi Kaze ever be licensed, but it was.

Generally commercial anime companies look for stuff that'll sell. Let me put it this way. In my other hobby (model building) I once asked a hobby shop owner what sells. He said "Fast jets and anything with a swastika". In anime, what sells? Jiggles, pink hair, big swords, robots. Stuff like Bleach and Black Cat will get licensed in a second.

As for stuff I'd like to see licensed but wonder wether it will be, Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni comes to mind.

DragoonKain3
2006-12-23, 20:47
Shounen anime usually has a good chance to be licensed to North America. For me I assume that for much of the popular series of this genre, it's really a matter of 'when' than is it a question of 'if'.

Anime that rarely has a chance to come this side of the Pacific? Shoujo manga-based anime, such as Honey and Clover, AiBaby, Nana, and Ouran. This is because anime does not sell to north american females as well as their manga counterparts do (one could say manga is to female otakus as anime is to male otakus), and so there really isn't any reason as to get the anime here. Sure there's some anomalies like Hana Yori Dango, but those are the exceptions rather than the rule.

Vexx
2006-12-24, 03:09
Extra wierdly... in the US many *males* actually *like* Honey&Clover, Nana, Ouran, etc.... so it would actually do okay here (particularly for those males that want things to watch with their significant others). Those have potential outside the "usual fancrowd".

So I think, once again, someone isn't reading the potential well or is pointlessly restricting their demographic surveying.

ellifeedn
2008-05-19, 18:02
Examples that come to my mind are: Mahojin Guruguru, Girls Saurus (first and second series), Love Monster, Mahoraba, Mysterious Girlfriend X, Yume Tsukai, Captive Heart, and Discommunication.





I know that the title of the thread says "NEVER", but I still have hope that one day a miracle will happen.

Reckoner
2008-05-19, 18:19
Texhnolyze, the least best popular show ever in existence. Sigh.

cyth
2008-05-19, 18:27
Texhnolyze, the least best popular show ever in existence. Sigh.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2304

qtipbrit
2008-05-19, 18:31
Texhnolyze, the least best popular show ever in existence. Sigh.
Yeah, I was pretty sure it's licensed.
And maybe you meant "the best least popular show ever/in existence." or "the least popular best show ever/in existence."

And yes, most anime will never be licensed.
Take Da Capo, which is pretty popular in Japan and hasn't been licensed after five years.
I could list maybe 100 series that will never be licensed, but that would be a waste of time.

Happy_Chip
2008-05-19, 18:44
I could list maybe 100 series that will never be licensed, but that would be a waste of time.

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that during the many decades of the 20th century, Japan produced hundreds or even thousands of of anime tv shows and movies (not to mention j-pop anime music videos, anime short clips, and japanese animated tv commercials) and only a tiny fraction of them will ever see the light of a region 1 DVD release.

This is IMHO why fansubs exist, and will continue to serve an audience regardless of how successful the region 1 distributions are.

bayoab
2008-05-19, 19:09
Yeah, I was pretty sure it's licensed.
And maybe you meant "the best least popular show ever/in existence." or "the least popular best show ever/in existence."

And yes, most anime will never be licensed.
Take Da Capo, which is pretty popular in Japan and hasn't been licensed after five years.
I could list maybe 100 series that will never be licensed, but that would be a waste of time.
Actually, Da Capo was at one point nearly licensed. Something then happened and it never came to fruition. Most likely, whoever was about to buy it discovered they would never make back what they paid for it in those market conditions.

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that during the many decades of the 20th century, Japan produced hundreds or even thousands of of anime tv shows and movies (not to mention j-pop anime music videos, anime short clips, and japanese animated tv commercials) and only a tiny fraction of them will ever see the light of a region 1 DVD release.

This is IMHO why fansubs exist, and will continue to serve an audience regardless of how successful the region 1 distributions are.
I'll ignore all the other problems with this statement and just say the irony of all of this is, many aren't coming out because people are using fansubs as a replacement for buying things.

Statistically, around 4 in 10 titles are licensed per year.

qtipbrit
2008-05-19, 19:10
I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that during the many decades of the 20th century, Japan produced hundreds or even thousands of of anime tv shows and movies (not to mention j-pop anime music videos, anime short clips, and japanese animated tv commercials) and only a tiny fraction of them will ever see the light of a region 1 DVD release.
Yeah, I would probably put the number at more than a thousand (maybe much more than a thousand) anime series/standalone OVA's (not those that are just omakes or extra episodes) that will never be licensed in any region, let alone R1.
This is IMHO why fansubs exist, and will continue to serve an audience regardless of how successful the region 1 distributions are.
Actually, fansubs don't always cover every anime. More often than not, it's the more popular ones that have several groups subbing it, and these more popular ones are more likely to be licensed anyway, so there might always be those series that are left in limbo forever. :(

Vexx
2008-05-19, 19:13
I think its kind of interesting to scan back through the thread and check off the "Never Will Be Licensed" since they were, in fact, later licensed.

I dispute that many "aren't coming out because people are using fansubs as a replacement for buying". True for some folks - but I don't think you can count those as "lost sales" because they'd never buy in the first place. They're rabble in the peanut gallery.
Much of anime isn't coming over because the distributors simply refuse to believe something like H&C would sell.... distributors LIKE blockbusters rather than niche - its less work and they don't have to think so hard. Also, the Japanese producers simply don't bother for a variety of complex stuck-in-a-mental-rut reasons.

If things like AIR, Kanon, and now ARIA sell - maybe some small company will take up some of the "niche" titles (Sketchbook, Petopetosan, even binchotan), but it isn't likely to happen until the anime producers share more of the distribution risk: small up-front fee and assume a return spread over more time.

yezhanquan
2008-05-19, 19:14
Is Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei a good candidate to answer the OP?

GuidoHunter_Toki
2008-05-19, 19:23
I doubt Gundam ZZ will ever be liscensed in North America. I still have feeling it might be, but as more years pass by without that happening I'll start to doubt it even more.

yezhanquan
2008-05-19, 19:27
Statistically, around 4 in 10 titles are licensed per year.

Even if this is true, 60% of the titles are not licensed.

SeijiSensei
2008-05-19, 20:13
Going through the unlicensed shows in my sig....

Oh! Edo Rocket - never; too much about Japanese history and culture; too off-beat
Hataraki Man - never; too josei; no R1 audience for a show about women in the Japanese workplace
Mononoke - maybe; the parent series Ayakashi - Samurai Horror Tales was surprisingly licensed
Baccano! - another maybe; it is about American gangsters and demons after all
Nodame Cantabile - probably not (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1585584&postcount=1282); see Hataraki Man
Moyashimon - another maybe, but only because they can sell the sex and ignore the microbiology
Monster - beats me, but if it hasn't been licensed by now, I'd be surprised if it ever gets licensed
Dennou Coil - another maybe, but it might be seen as "too childish" and "too Japanese;" doesn't have the action of, say, Noein
Bartender - if the AS age distribution (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=48612) is representative of the market, never

Current shows:
Chi's Sweet Home - despite how much fun this show is, with three-minute episodes and story about a kitty, probably never
Daughter of Twenty Faces - it has Hirano Aya, if that matters, and an intriguing plot; a solid maybe
Kure-nai - another maybe, though I'm not sure who the DVD audience would be; not really a harem and not really an action show either
Shion no Ou - probably never even though Hikaru no Go is licensed and Shion has a murder mystery as well
Saiunkoku Monogatari II - never; see below

Shows in my sig that probably shouldn't have been licensed
Saiunkoku Monogatari - too josei, see Nodame Cantabile and Hataraki Man; one of Geneon's mistakes
Seirei no Moribito - the jury's out on this one; another Geneon orphan, but picked up by Media Blasters and already licensed to run on Cartoon Network (?)

Reckoner
2008-05-19, 20:45
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2304

Meh, I should know better than to try and see if it is on Wikipedia. My bad, although I'm surprised a show like this is licensed when other certain shows that are popular in Japan are not.

@qtipbrit92

Yea you caught me on my wording :heh:.

ellifeedn
2008-05-19, 22:20
I think its kind of interesting to scan back through the thread and check off the "Never Will Be Licensed" since they were, in fact, later licensed.Talk about irony.



Other example that probably don't have futures in America that I came up with are as follows: Sexy Commando Gaiden: Sugoiyo!! Masarusan, Okusama wa Joshikosei, Moetan, Bakumatsu Kikansetsu Irohanihoheto, Amaenaideyo and its second season, Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokuro-chan and its second season, Cosmopolitan Prayers and the two other related series, and Futakoi Alternative.

*Note concerning Dokuro-chan* If any company is brave enough to attempt this one I will give them props for having the balls for considering it:cool:.

cicido
2008-05-19, 22:27
R1 will eventually license 90% of the mainstream animes, they'll just be 5 years too late.

qtipbrit
2008-05-19, 22:29
Meh, I should know better than to try and see if it is on Wikipedia. My bad, although I'm surprised a show like this is licensed when other certain shows that are popular in Japan are not.
Yeah, it's unusual. Why would you license Otome wa Boku ni Koishiteru and not Maria-sama ga Miteru? (Though Marimite was recently licensed)
Some other licensing choices are pretty unusual, too.
@qtipbrit92

Yea you caught me on my wording :heh:.
We all do it some time. ;)
*Note concerning Dokuro-chan* If any company is brave enough to attempt this one I will give them props for having the balls for considering it:cool:.
Elfen Lied was licensed by ADV, and it's more gory and explicit than Dokuro-chan, and I'm pretty sure ecchi-type things are second to only action series in likeliness to be licensed.

EDIT: Yeah, the licensing of Air, Kanon 2006, and Shuffle! might mean a turnaround in terms of visual novel adaptation licensing (since Kimi ga Nozomu Eien was licensed a couple of years prior).

Siegel Clyne
2008-05-20, 00:15
Richard's Animated Divots (http://www.animated-divots.com/) has a fairly comprehensive, ongoing List of Anime Television Series. (http://www.animated-divots.com/anitv.html)

Seditary
2008-05-20, 00:49
If things like AIR, Kanon, and now ARIA sell - maybe some small company will take up some of the "niche" titles (Sketchbook, Petopetosan, even binchotan), but it isn't likely to happen until the anime producers share more of the distribution risk: small up-front fee and assume a return spread over more time.

Watch me do all sorts of highly embrassing things if these titles ever get licensed. :heh:

Love SeijiSensei's list as well, much love to any company that licenses and delivers a quality release of those series.

DragoonKain3
2008-05-20, 01:15
^
Well, Kamichu did come to this side of the pacific. And considering I find Petopetosan and Kamichu to be of the same feather, I guess there is a light in the end of the tunnel for these kind of shows.

As for shows I predicted will never be licensed in R1, I guess I was wrong on all accounts apart from aibaby. Kind of odd, since Honey and Clover was really outdated by then.

Hopefully it would be a hit (Nana as well), so other shows like Nodame Cantabile and Hataraki Man can also come here. So yeah, depending on the success of H&C and Nana, these two shows have a pretty good chance of getting here.

bayoab
2008-05-20, 02:44
Is Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei a good candidate to answer the OP?
Since Del Rey has picked up the manga, no. The first season has a decent chance to get licensed in the next couple years, especially if the manga sells well. Arguments that it is too filled with references are pretty vacuous.

I dispute that many "aren't coming out because people are using fansubs as a replacement for buying". True for some folks - but I don't think you can count those as "lost sales" because they'd never buy in the first place. They're rabble in the peanut gallery.
While what you are saying is true, I was more arguing along the lines of "We had 70%+ licensing back in the day when titles were flying off the shelves since the void of anime was finally being filled." They could license anything back then because it would actually sell.

Going through the unlicensed shows in my sig....
Moyashimon - another maybe, but only because they can sell the sex and ignore the microbiology
Monster - beats me, but if it hasn't been licensed by now, I'd be surprised if it ever gets licensed

Monster is likely coming. Viz has begun shopping it around. The only question is who and when.
Moyashimon will very likely get picked up when the manga gets picked up for R1 since it just won a bunch of awards.


Daughter of Twenty Faces - it has Hirano Aya, if that matters, and an intriguing plot; a solid maybe
This is BONES. It is not if, if it is when.

Echoes
2008-05-20, 15:47
Akagi, probably. Since it's about Mahjong and all.

I don't know about Kaiji, it should have a broader appeal, so maybe? Could be too niche/unusual for the general population, but I'd love to be able to buy the DVDs.

Vexx
2008-05-20, 16:35
While what you are saying is true, I was more arguing along the lines of "We had 70%+ licensing back in the day when titles were flying off the shelves since the void of anime was finally being filled." They could license anything back then because it would actually sell.


No argument that with a flood of licensed anime comes the spectre of wins/losses in the profit column since average buyers don't spend all their entertainment budget on anime (and therefore the titles must actually compete for $$$).

Vegard Aune
2008-05-21, 09:06
Actually, Da Capo was at one point nearly licensed. Something then happened and it never came to fruition. Most likely, whoever was about to buy it discovered they would never make back what they paid for it in those market conditions.
Really? That's interesting... There goes one of my entries here... Or not really, I still doubt that it'll ever be licensed.
So yeah, I just have two series to mention. Da Capo and Sailor Moon - Sailor Stars. (Didn't Toei specifically say that they were never going to release that in America? Not to mention how they pulled back the Sailor Moon-license from both ADV and Geneon, thus destroying any small chance the series might have had...)
Apart from those two, all the series I've seen have already been licensed, (I had my doubts as to wether Lucky Star was going to come out, but it did) so I can't think of any others.

stelok
2008-05-21, 12:28
Kodomo no Jikan because the conservative idiots in power will never find the anime's sensitive context the least bit acceptable.

FireBorn
2008-05-21, 16:12
Welcome to the NHK, probably. Unless it's already licensed. I couldn't see it doing well though, either way.

NoSanninWa
2008-05-21, 16:13
Kodomo no Jikan because the conservative idiots in power will never find the anime's sensitive context the least bit acceptable.
All I need to say about that logic is, "Koi Kaze."

If Koi Kaze was acceptable, then someone might license Kodomo no Jikan also. Heck, KnJ is arguably much more marketable than a show about an adult man having sex with his underage sister.

Echoes
2008-05-21, 16:41
Welcome to the NHK, probably. Unless it's already licensed. I couldn't see it doing well though, either way.

It's already licensed.

xris
2008-05-21, 16:42
Welcome to the NHK, probably. Unless it's already licensed. I couldn't see it doing well though, either way.
Hints...

Welcome to the NHK (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/850.html) torrent page.

Welcome to the N.H.K. (http://www.animesuki.com/licensed.php?browse=sz#389) entry in the License Database (http://www.animesuki.com/licensed.php).

Welcome to the NHK discussion thread located in the Licensed forum.

KholdStare
2008-05-21, 16:52
While we're on the subject of intimate stuff not likely to be acceptable outside of Japan (Koi Kaze), I see Moetan as never being licensed.

Deathkillz
2008-05-21, 16:59
Nor Kanokon...(not sure why anyone would though :rolleyes:).

One I would love to see though but unlikely...Seto no Hanayome ;___;

Vexx
2008-05-21, 17:23
All I need to say about that logic is, "Koi Kaze."

If Koi Kaze was acceptable, then someone might license Kodomo no Jikan also. Heck, KnJ is arguably much more marketable than a show about an adult man having sex with his underage sister.

Which makes the whole KnJ manga controversy and concerted drive to stop it being published in the US that much more illogical and bizarre :)

bayoab
2008-05-21, 17:34
All I need to say about that logic is, "Koi Kaze."

If Koi Kaze was acceptable, then someone might license Kodomo no Jikan also. Heck, KnJ is arguably much more marketable than a show about an adult man having sex with his underage sister.
I don't think that's the case. Part of it is the attitude of the series and part of it is marketing. KnJ is pretty much known for the pedophilia part of the story and not much else. It is "That show for pedophiles" to most of the fanbase. Koikaze was a complete blank among the general fandom. Nobody had heard of it except it was "That incest show". From the marketing point of it, Geneon did an absolutely brilliant job of marketing Koikaze by downplaying the "There is incest" side and emphasizing the "There are two people who fall in love..." "Oh... and they are related."

But I don't think KnJ or any of the other hardcore pedophile directed shows will be licensed anytime soon (Today in Class 5-2, Saint October, etc).

yezhanquan
2008-05-21, 19:25
Are there any studios in the US that caters to "niche" series? Again, being a Singaporean means that I know nuts about R1 licenses.

Kamui4356
2008-05-21, 21:11
Are there any studios in the US that caters to "niche" series? Again, being a Singaporean means that I know nuts about R1 licenses.

Nozomi, the licensing branch of TRSI (http://www.rightstuf.com/rssite/main/) has been going for more niche series. They've picked up series like Aria, Miria-sama ga Miteru, Emma, and To Heart.

Vexx
2008-05-21, 22:57
Aye, TRSI .. .and I have to be sure and $$$ reward them for their efforts.

Nemuru
2008-05-21, 23:23
Nor Kanokon...(not sure why anyone would though :rolleyes:).

One I would love to see though but unlikely...Seto no Hanayome ;___;

if magikano can get license i don't see why seto no hanayome can't. It would likely be either ADV or funimation that would pick up this title.

As for Kanokon, haven't seen it myself but shuffle has been successful with funimation which is surprising. maybe there's enough demand for this series.

DragoonKain3
2008-05-21, 23:40
Ugh, TRSI. I applaud their daring to get niche titles and all, but I honestly just couldn't stand their dubs of To Heart. Then again, I'm heavily against using honorifics in standard English dubs (OT, but its THE one caveat I had about Persona 3 as a game), and boy, was it ear bleeding worthy. XD

Now if they had british-sounding people playing the dubs of Emma, I'd be all over them. But alas, no dubs means no money from me. If I can't make an exception for Cardcaptor Sakura (a series I thought was da bomb, but the series proper didn't have dubs), then there probably won't be an exception from me, ever.

Kamui4356
2008-05-22, 10:00
Ugh, TRSI. I applaud their daring to get niche titles and all, but I honestly just couldn't stand their dubs of To Heart. Then again, I'm heavily against using honorifics in standard English dubs (OT, but its THE one caveat I had about Persona 3 as a game), and boy, was it ear bleeding worthy. XD

Now if they had british-sounding people playing the dubs of Emma, I'd be all over them. But alas, no dubs means no money from me. If I can't make an exception for Cardcaptor Sakura (a series I thought was da bomb, but the series proper didn't have dubs), then there probably won't be an exception from me, ever.

The thing is a lot of these titles aren't going to be big sellers. A dub would push them from barely breaking even to loosing money. One could make the arguement that there are people like you who refuse to buy if there's no dub, but for series like Emma, Marimite, or Aria, it's a small minority, and likely not enough to make a dub profitable.

About CCS, remember it came out earily in the dvd era. Companies still saw seperate releases for dubs and subs, standard practice in the days of vhs, as a viable strategy. That they released an uneditted version at all stands in contrast to 'efforts' by companies like 4kids. Now, I haven't seen both versions so I don't know exactly how much they editted it except for heavily, so I'll leave it to someone who did to determine if it would have been feasible for them to do an uneditted dub, then edit it to the same degree.

KholdStare
2008-05-22, 11:30
Meh I wanted to say for some time now that CCS had lots of the controversial elements in KnJ. KnJ just took it a bit further. ;)

Keruri
2008-05-23, 09:37
I agree with Moetan and Kodomo no Jikan.

Some series I never thought would be licensed were Angel's Feather, Nanaka 6/17, and Narue no Sekai, but they were. Koi Kaze as well.

Some others I don't see anytime in the future, if at all-
Papa to Kiss in the Dark
Daa! Daa! Daa!
Mermaid Melody Pichi Pichi Pitch
Kanokon
Rizelmine

One that won't be licensed no matter how you look at it-
Kanon 2002

Chiibi
2008-05-23, 10:02
Hime-chan No Ribbon and any of those other shoujo anime that were made in the early to mid 90s during the magical girl craze. They're old and no one cares about them. :(

Though ADV shocked me when they brought over Wedding Peach....o_o

Daa! Daa! Daa!
Definitely.

Mermaid Melody Pichi Pichi Pitch
There have been attempts. All I know is, I'm not watching it UNTIL Ruchia's voice and all the songs have been dubbed over.:rolleyes:

Dokuro-chan
Am I the only one who thinks this screams for an ADV license? "Excel Saga meets Elfen Lied." It's EXACTLY to their tastes.:heh:

Da~Mike
2008-05-25, 15:18
Has anyone mentioned Inukami?
That was one very weird series...
It was funny the first time I watched it though... I think...

edit: the manga was licensed but that said, the manga is a lot tamer than the anime...

NoSanninWa
2008-05-26, 04:29
Has anyone mentioned Inukami?
You might actually be right about that one. The reverse fanservice in a mxf show might just make it unlicenseable... Maybe.

mandarb916
2008-05-26, 05:10
Naisho no Tsubomi

aohige
2008-05-26, 11:54
Laughing Salesman

Or heck, any of the other Fujiko A Fujio manga based anime such as Kaibutsu-kun, Pro Golfer Saru, etc.

fallin up
2008-06-20, 12:18
amaenaideyo!! i just have that feeling

SinsI
2008-08-12, 15:54
Detroit Metal City, Gag Manga Byori.
It's cheaper just to make a new cartoon instead of licensing these two titles.

AutisticOtakuGirl
2009-07-06, 22:47
Doraemon..... considering there's been anime series and movies ever since the late seventies, and we've yet to see any of it licensed for an American release. After 30 years since it aired on Japanese television it still hasn't been picked up by any American companies. Despite it's popularity among Japanese children (and even the word popular is an understatement). If there hasn't been a release here by now, we will probably never see any.

In case you don't recognize the name, here's a picture of the character Doraemon.
http://www.profilethai.com/wallpaper/original/profilethai_doraemon018.jpg
Considering that Doraemon is basically one of THE most recognized pop culture icons in Japan, (along with Godzilla/Gojira and Hello Kitty) most people have very likely seen this character somewhere before (especially if you've ever been in any import stores that sell anime products, and even oriental markets that sell Japanese snacks (ex:Pocky) Doraemon pictures have appeared on quite a few snack boxes, wrappers, etc. you get the idea.

Kudryavka
2009-07-07, 17:22
I always figured that the reason Doraemon hasn't been liscensed as of late is because it's waaay too long of a series. The show is, like, ~2,000 episodes now? Even though it's extremely popular in Japan, no little anime localizing company is gonna pick up a job that big. If anyone ever brought Doraemon to the West, I'd expect it to be one of the big dogs in television.
And anyways, most people would see it as another Barney. Not that that's a bad thing.

qwertyuiopz
2009-07-07, 20:12
no ones gonna understand gintama if its dubbed

oompa loompa
2009-07-17, 11:40
Doraemon..... considering there's been anime series and movies ever since the late seventies, and we've yet to see any of it licensed for an American release. After 30 years since it aired on Japanese television it still hasn't been picked up by any American companies. Despite it's popularity among Japanese children (and even the word popular is an understatement). If there hasn't been a release here by now, we will probably never see any.

In case you don't recognize the name, here's a picture of the character Doraemon.
http://www.profilethai.com/wallpaper/original/profilethai_doraemon018.jpg
Considering that Doraemon is basically one of THE most recognized pop culture icons in Japan, (along with Godzilla/Gojira and Hello Kitty) most people have very likely seen this character somewhere before (especially if you've ever been in any import stores that sell anime products, and even oriental markets that sell Japanese snacks (ex:Pocky) Doraemon pictures have appeared on quite a few snack boxes, wrappers, etc. you get the idea.

Well... if were not only talking about the U.S.. Doraemon shows in India on a local channel called Hungama. Its actually extremely popular, as is.. err, chibi- maruko chan (if thats the name)

Shadow Kira01
2009-07-17, 11:46
Let me guess...

Unpopular ones in which nobody watches.

Vexx
2009-07-17, 12:19
Actually... the least likely to be licensed these days are those series from more than a couple of years ago. Almost *everything* appears to be getting a license these days unless it hits the Puritan Wall of U.S. (e.g. Kodomo no Jikan).

Some of the most amazing certain-to-be low volume items are getting licensed (e.g. Kannagi) -- great for me since most of the series *I* like tend to be niche items. Likewise, I never expected to own a copy of the ARIA series.

But little series from more than two years ago, like petopetosan or Mahoraba: Heartful Days, are probably permanently in limbo because the tide hadn't shifted when they came out.

Tamad
2009-07-17, 19:38
I still can't ever see Yakitate!! Japan getting a dub.

einhorn303
2009-07-17, 20:41
Time to bow to your R1 Licensing gods! Complete thread compilation of "said it will NEVER be licensed but eventually was," up to this point:


Kanon :sad:


NaruTaru
Kanon

The mysterious cities of gold.


Piano - limited marked

To Heart - just because


...UFO Princess Valkyrie. With the level of concern over child exploitation in the US, any distributor who brings over a show about an adult in a serious relationship with someone under 14 will either be killed or run out of the nation.

Popotan.. America seems to be really uptight about "child porn" ^^;

I've heard Kodomo no Omocha tossed around as a series that will never be licensed... I guess at some 102(?) episodes filled with cultural references and super-fast dialogue, it might be a tough job to translate for the North American market.


Full Moon wo Sagashite


Kanon - what i think is that, its quite a good anime... however its just too short like some of the animes that it is made not possible to liscense...


I think Kodomo no Omocha is far too culturally referencing and hyper for US video/tv.


hmmm I would say Yumeria and Gun Slinger Girls and Maria-sama Miteru. Maria cause I don't think the lesbian undtertones would do too well in the USA. Yumeria cause of that freakish teacher and his attachment to little girls and Gun Slinger Girls (tho i've never actually watched this anime tho i've read about it on the forum) because it's just waaaaaay too disturbing for American Society.

school rumble won't get licensced

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Some more recent shows that I don't think will be licensed? Probably Marimite (cause it's kinda slow for most people)

Two shows i know that'll never get licensed, Air & Kanon.

And thinking about it a lot more.. Utawarerumono, but its hard to say with that one.

Honey and Clover, despite how great it is, will probably have a hard time getting licensed for the sheer fact of the money it will take to license all the songs in it. Suga Shikao, Spitz and Yuki aren't exactly nobodies in Japan.

I agree with physics223. I don't think Honey and Clover is ever going to get its day in the sun here in N. America. In adddition to the reasons listed by physics223, I think the show won't be licensed because its niche audience doesn't really exist in the United States. I mean, how much of the anime purchasing demographic are adult woman? A relatively small fraction would be my guess. It's a cryin' shame, though. *sigh*

Also, despite its popularity in the fansub circle, it seems no one really cares to license Beck. To an extent, I wonder that this might be due to the fact that the show contained a pretty steady stream of some pretty offensive language in English. It seems that an licenser would be in a bit of a delimna from a rating stand point in aiming the show at the right age group when you consider the sheer number of F words in the show. *The stream of language annoyed me. Urgh.*


Nanoha (all of it)

Texhnolyze, the least best popular show ever in existence. Sigh.


Oh! Edo Rocket - never; too much about Japanese history and culture; too off-beat
Baccano! - another maybe; it is about American gangsters and demons after all
Chi's Sweet Home - despite how much fun this show is, with three-minute episodes and story about a kitty, probably never


Amaenaideyo and its second season, Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokuro-chan and its second season

Welcome to the NHK, probably.


One I would love to see though but unlikely...Seto no Hanayome ;___;

amaenaideyo!! i just have that feeling

4Tran
2009-07-18, 13:39
Actually... the least likely to be licensed these days are those series from more than a couple of years ago. Almost *everything* appears to be getting a license these days unless it hits the Puritan Wall of U.S. (e.g. Kodomo no Jikan).
I don't know about that, even this category is more likely to get picked up than the group of shows that have legal issues: the Macross shows being the most obvious example. There's still a chance for those legal issues to get sorted out, so I wouldn't even say that they're the absolutely most unlikely to get picked up. Either that, or it's just wishful thinking :).

Here's my hierarchy of unlikely licenses (from least likely to most):
1. Old shows that have legal and/or financial strings attached: Candy Candy and Macross 7 are the most prominent examples. These shows are unlikely to ever picked up without something big changing in both R1 and R2 land.

2. Old shows that are relatively unknown and nobody cares about. Older children's shows can generally be lumped in here.

3. Fairly well known shows that are over 25 years old. Aim for the Ace! and the like (I'm still holding out some hope for Rose of Versailles).

One of the big reasons why these won't get picked up is the deadly combination of these shows largely appealing to nostalgia (which viewers in R1 won't share) and the fact that there's no other market for them. It's a bit sad really.

MrTerrorist
2009-07-19, 03:01
I still can't ever see Yakitate!! Japan getting a dub.

Actually, Animax-Asia aired Yakitate!! Japan with English dub last year.
Depending on your view, it's good or just annoying watching the whole weird reaction thing.

Ash Falls Town
2009-07-19, 06:23
Time to bow to your R1 Licensing gods! Complete thread compilation of "said it will NEVER be licensed but eventually was," up to this point:
Look at the dates
2003-11-25
2003-11-25
2004-02-04
marin, Lambda and jordanlim4 are talking about the currently unlicensed Kanon.
Maybe you have confused it with the series Kanon (2006) which was licensed by ADV and later rescued by Funimation.

Anyway this has probably made it less likely for Kanon to come to America.

Theowne
2009-07-19, 07:03
Touch.

It has become one of my favourite series yet I don't think I'll ever be able to have a proper subtitled boxset, which is a shame. Apparently this series earned at one point, the highest ratings in Japan any anime has managed to reach, yet it is almost completely unknown here an I don't think it will ever see the light of day in North America. And as we go on, it will only get older and older, decreasing it's already slim chances. It is a shame. I would be willing to drop insane amounts of money to get my hands on it....

SeijiSensei
2009-07-19, 09:10
In my own defense, I'd like to point out I said that Baccano! would "maybe" be licensed, which it was. As for Chi, remember that these discussions concerned licensing in the DVD sense. There weren't legal streaming sources when most of these comments were made. When Chi appears on an R1 DVD, you can say I was wrong in my prediction.

Oh! Edo Rocket remains the most mysterious recent licensing decision I've seen. Other than Sora's intentional similarity in appearance to Eureka, I'm not sure what in this series will attract R1 viewers browsing the aisles at Best Buy. Rocket has a large dose of Japanese history, from an historical period not usually seen in anime, a very anarchic and "post-modern" style, and little "action." I've wondered whether it was part of a package deal between Funi and Madhouse where Funi was required to take Rocket along with another show like, say, Claymore.

SinsI
2009-07-19, 17:44
With the modern electronic distribution, everything that is able to get enough viewership to pay for the subs and some advertising can get a license.
Only the most horrible shows are doomed to never be licensed - and i'm talking about Tank S.W.A.T. or Zaizen Jotaro level of badness.
We might even get a chance to see some subbed episodes of Sazae-san...

Fate21
2009-07-19, 19:34
Doraemon..... considering there's been anime series and movies ever since the late seventies, and we've yet to see any of it licensed for an American release. After 30 years since it aired on Japanese television it still hasn't been picked up by any American companies. Despite it's popularity among Japanese children (and even the word popular is an understatement). If there hasn't been a release here by now, we will probably never see any.

In case you don't recognize the name, here's a picture of the character Doraemon.
http://www.profilethai.com/wallpaper/original/profilethai_doraemon018.jpg
Considering that Doraemon is basically one of THE most recognized pop culture icons in Japan, (along with Godzilla/Gojira and Hello Kitty) most people have very likely seen this character somewhere before (especially if you've ever been in any import stores that sell anime products, and even oriental markets that sell Japanese snacks (ex:Pocky) Doraemon pictures have appeared on quite a few snack boxes, wrappers, etc. you get the idea.


I think everyone knew about Doraemon, but now most of the people in this forum are an adult and teenagers, so they have a more mature taste like other anime.

mg1942
2009-07-19, 22:52
amaenaideyo!! i just have that feeling

umm Media Blasters already aquired that title

SeijiSensei
2009-07-19, 23:09
I think you missed the point of einhorn303's presentation (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2522209#post2522209). That's a list of licensed shows that were incorrectly predicted to remain unlicensed.

Vexx
2009-07-19, 23:25
With the modern electronic distribution, everything that is able to get enough viewership to pay for the subs and some advertising can get a license.
Only the most horrible shows are doomed to never be licensed - and i'm talking about Tank S.W.A.T. or Zaizen Jotaro level of badness.
We might even get a chance to see some subbed episodes of Sazae-san...

Lemme know when Mahoraba: Heartful Days gets a package (definitely not considered a 'horrible series') .... :)

chikorita157
2009-07-19, 23:32
Definitely the ef ~ tales of... series... It have been a few years since it aired and also it's pretty obscure. It will probably take a miracle for it to be licenced. =P

Kameruka
2010-12-04, 20:16
I'm not an American or Canadian but I can see some shows that may not able to make it across the Pacific anytime soon. The reasons may be too obvious but some family-friendly shows won't able to make it with no known reasons.

Anything that have Pretty Cure in it:
I have no idea why this one failed to make its way across the ocean except the Americans don't to see too many magical girl shows in their TVs after Sailormoon, Tokyo Mew Mew and Cardcaptor Sakura ended.

Yumeiro Patissere:
See Pretty Cure up there. I also think that this one may not going to be available in American retail because most female anime fans there preferred bishounen fanservice shows than magical girl ones.

Yosuga no Sora:
They already licensed Koi Kaze but why not this one?

bayoab
2010-12-04, 20:22
Yosuga no Sora:
They already licensed Koi Kaze but why not this one?
It's only 2 months old. It's way too early to claim "why not". (And there is probably a 50% chance of it getting licensed by Media Blasters given how it is basically porn.)

Also, there is already a thread for this (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=1528).

Kameruka
2010-12-04, 20:27
Sorry for that since I am a newbie and the last post on that thread was last year. Merged this thread with the other one please.

Roloko vi Britannia
2010-12-04, 20:33
Definitely the ef ~ tales of... series... It have been a few years since it aired and also it's pretty obscure. It will probably take a miracle for it to be licenced. =P

Sadly this, but I'm hoping NIS or Sentai will get it even tough it will be subbed only it will be better than nothing I guess. Also Shugo Chara since American companies don't tend to license much Shoujo anime since it doesn't sell as good as their manga counterparts.

Konakaga
2010-12-04, 20:42
Bakemonogatari and Katanagatari as Nisio's sense of meta humor, japanese cultural references, and unique writing style are something the majority of the companies here wouldn't touch with a 10 ft pole, despite the recording breaking sales Bakemonogatari's DVD/BR saw in japan.

Aside from them, I'd be pretty surprised if Seitokai Yakuindomo, B Gata H Kei, or MM! did since their sense of humor is a bit too perverted for most companies standards.

einhorn303
2010-12-04, 22:52
Bakemonogatari and Katanagatari as Nisio's sense of meta humor, japanese cultural references, and unique writing style are something the majority of the companies here wouldn't touch with a 10 ft pole, despite the recording breaking sales Bakemonogatari's DVD/BR saw in japan.



Actually Aniplex is actively shopping around Kataganari as a license.

GreatTeacherKen
2010-12-04, 23:07
Despite its popularity in Asia, Doraemon will probably never get licensed in the west because of its age and the fact that it's one of the longest running anime series ever.

Konakaga
2010-12-05, 00:34
Actually Aniplex is actively shopping around Kataganari as a license.

Wow I am really shocked to hear that :heh:, I am giving the average sales of Katanagatari compared to Bakemonogatari, I thought for sure that no1 would consider licensing it :eyespin:.

RelaxRelapse
2010-12-05, 01:22
Kemeko DX! will never be licensed

Electromaster
2010-12-05, 01:28
I don't think Minami-ke will be licensed in North America anytime soon.. it's too bad, even though it's a good SOL series. T_T

TJR
2010-12-05, 03:05
Wow I am really shocked to hear that :heh:, I am giving the average sales of Katanagatari compared to Bakemonogatari, I thought for sure that no1 would consider licensing it :eyespin:.

Well, the producer is just shopping it around. Doesn't necessarily mean an American distributor will bite (for instance, only a certain portion of what Kadokawa shopped a few years ago was actually picked up), although with the sub-only strategy adopted by most companies, a release might be possible given the right price.

SeijiSensei
2010-12-06, 16:50
Thought I'd go back and see how my predictions from two years ago (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=1603387#post1603387) have held up so far.

Errors
Oh! Edo Rocket (http://www4.funimation.com/video/?page=show&b=144) - Still don't know why this was licensed. I'm guessing Madhouse and creator Nakashima Kazuki might have forced a "two-fer" on Funimation as part of licensing Nakashima's Gurren Lagann.
Monster (http://www.hulu.com/naoki-urasawas-monster) - I'll treat this as an error if VIZ ever releases the rest of the series. As of now, it doesn't look like we'll ever get any more DVDs.
Baccano! (http://www4.funimation.com/video/?page=show&b=6) - Gave this a maybe, so I was half-right. It is about Americans after all.

Still Unlicensed
Hataraki Man
Bartender (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/906.html) - Whatever R1 audience these two shows may have had has probably shrunk in recent years since there's been little effort by the licensors to attract mature viewers.
Mononoke (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/1067.html) - Ranks third in most deserving of a license after the two others cited below.
Nodame Cantabile (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/947.html) - Seems like it's all about Sony (http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showthread.php?p=1834544#post1834544).
Moyashimon (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/1116.html) - No longer still in my signature; not licensed either.
Dennou Coil (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/1020.html) - After Nodame, the show that most deserves an R1 license.
Chi's Sweet Home - Second season is on Crunchyroll; the first season has fallen into a black hole (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/1189.html).
Daughter of Twenty Faces (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/1208.html) -Hirano Aya wasn't enough to sell this, probably because it wasn't from Kyoto. No longer in my sig either.
Kure-nai (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/1192.html) - Whatever chances this show might have had at being licensed in R1 disappeared in the aftermath of the Handley verdict (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-02-11/christopher-handley-sentenced-to-6-months-for-obscene-manga). Cf., Dance of the Vampire Bund (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-03-05/funimation-addresses-dance-in-the-vampire-bund-edits).
Shion no Ou (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/1115.html) - Shougi? What's that? Cf. Hikaru no Go which VIZ also failed to release completely here.
Saiunkoku Monogatari II (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/1021.html) - I doubt sales of the first series were sufficient to justify releasing the sequel. Geneon's extortionate pricing policies were no help, either.

FireChick
2010-12-06, 19:28
Let's see..

ANYTHING BY THE WORLD MASTERPIECE THEATER (I mean, come on! These anime are great! Why don't people see this!)
Natsume Yuujinchou
Yumeiro Patissiere
Kobato (I could be wrong, but I dunno)
Dennou Coil
Nanatsuiro Drops
Pita Ten
Kamichama Karin
Minami-ke
Amuri in Star Ocean
Bungaku Shoujo + OVAs
Aoi Hana (again, I could be wrong)
Tamayura
07-Ghost

GreatTeacherKen
2010-12-06, 23:13
Sazae-san, for the same reason as Doraemon, too long and old.

Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari Kōen Mae Hashutsujo or Kochikame for short-- I don't think many people outside of Japan or Asia have even heard of this series, so it probably won't get licensed in the West due to relative obscurity and lack of established audience. I saw a bit of it on TV once on a trip to Taiwan. It's based on the longest running manga (in terms of chapters) ever; this is not hyperbole, it's over 1600 chapters and it's still going!

flying ^
2010-12-07, 03:47
definitely chu bra!:heh:

darkchibi07
2010-12-07, 11:55
Thought I'd go back and see how my predictions from two years ago (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=1603387#post1603387) have held up so far.

Errors
Oh! Edo Rocket (http://www4.funimation.com/video/?page=show&b=144) - Still don't know why this was licensed. I'm guessing Madhouse and creator Nakashima Kazuki might have forced a "two-fer" on Funimation as part of licensing Nakashima's Gurren Lagann.


Except it was Bandai who licensed Gurren Lagann.

SeijiSensei
2010-12-07, 13:17
Except it was Bandai who licensed Gurren Lagann.

Oops. That's what happens when you start sliding into senility. :D I also wondered about Rocket being bundled with Claymore or some other Madhouse title Funi picked up around the same time.

They are mounting a reasonable campaign for the show with streaming at ANN as well as Funi's own sites. I was going to go ahead and order the DVD boxsets, but with Funi dancing around about what shows to release on Blu-ray, I'll wait a bit longer.

tatoearashiga
2011-01-26, 19:10
ONani Master Kurosawa.

Olivia_688
2011-01-27, 06:25
I think Loveless series is not also licensed, heck the series wasnt even finished T__T

Konakaga
2011-01-27, 14:07
Yosuga no Sora an actual well done incest series, so I doubt anyone in America will license it ever :heh:.

bayoab
2011-01-27, 14:45
I think Loveless series is not also licensed, heck the series wasnt even finished T__T

The graphic novel (http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/browse/item/67832/4/0/0) or the TV (http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/browse/item/73390/4/0/0) series (http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/browse/item/90702/4/0/0)?

Zeroryoko1974
2011-01-27, 15:43
Akagi and Kaiji will never be licensed for dvd release. Streaming maybe (I think Kaiji was streamed by Jost)

Chiibi
2011-01-27, 21:14
Kodomo No Jikan Both versions. Everybody's too afraid to touch it. :heh: Which is a shame because it's not about 'sex with kids' AT ALL. I like to think of it as "child pyschology with ecchi bits." And it's quite good. But I can understand that it's way too controversial for America. :uhoh: Still, it saddens me because the anime dubbed in English would be outrageously hysterical if they kept to the original script.

Nurse Angel Ririka SOS There seems to be no demand for 90s magical girl series nowadays. Though I nearly fainted when stupid Wedding Peach got licensed. :twitch:

Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne Anime. If Viz had the rights to it, (GOD FORBID) it could have a chance, but then we'd only get half the series, just like what they did to MY Full Moon :mad:

Insert your favorite shoujo series from 80s-90s here__________________

Vexx
2011-01-27, 22:58
Actually, my list hasn't changed much... there's a number of series from a few years ago that missed the "lets license everything" era (e.g. Petopeto-san, Mahoraba: Heartful Days, etc)

There's still a fair number of shoujo and seinen series that don't make it.... I figure Zakuro is a good recent test check.

Magin
2011-01-28, 01:44
This one is actually a few years old...

Inukami!- because it gives the wrong type of fanservice, so to speak... one sees the "elephant" almost every episode

kk2extreme
2011-01-28, 02:00
School Days for sure

Chiibi
2011-01-28, 02:14
This one is actually a few years old...

Inukami!- because it gives the wrong type of fanservice, so to speak... one sees the "elephant" almost every episode

For real!? I'll have to check that out. The manga looks cute...:heh:

InitialGT
2011-01-28, 06:18
Akagi and Kaiji will never be licensed for dvd release. Streaming maybe (I think Kaiji was streamed by Jost)

why? those 2 are favs of mine