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dreamless
2004-07-18, 11:40
Wow! such a great episode!
It's kinda annoying to see Ed and Al act so childish, but then they are indeed just kids, so I guess it's understandable.
So King Bradley seems to be the last homunculus, Pride I presume.
And seeing Martel killed by King Bradley without any sounds... I guess Al should finally realize that people can die so easily... and grow up a bit...
Rose got pregnant and lost her voice during her capture by the Army... so tragic... :sad:
I didn't expect to see Lyra so soon, but Lyra ROCKS anyway :D
Seems this series is really heading towards a darker path... but then I love darker animes! :p
Still no new OP/ED though... :(
Freakman
2004-07-18, 11:49
Can't agree more :)
This episode really rocked.
And
Martel's death really was beautifully done. Really moving :/
SimplyEd
2004-07-18, 11:53
Ugghhh, this episode was rather annoying...not that it was a bad episode but..
i just HATE it when women get raped or skewered to death..be it real or fictional...at this rate i won't get a decent rest tonight.......WHY DID MARTEL HAVE TO DIE IN SUCH A PATHETIC WAY!?!!
dark is good but this is going towards an overdose.
dreamless
2004-07-18, 12:01
Can't agree more :)
Martel's death really was beautifully done. Really moving :/
indeed, I 'm really awed at
the total silence when blood dripping out of Al's armor, that part is so beautifully done. This manipulation of sound (or the lack thereof) really adds to the atmosphere... :cool:
rorosama
2004-07-18, 12:31
So rose was raped? I know this show is dark but didn't think it would step in a sexually dark way.
Ugghhh, this episode was rather annoying...not that it was a bad episode but..
WHY DID MARTEL HAVE TO DIE IN SUCH A PATHETIC WAY!?!!
Well it happened in the manga chaper 30, so they have to do that in anime for certain important event to happen.
(manga spoiler)
When blood spilled on Al's blood seal, he recovered some memory when he was sent to "that side" and lost the body. In the manga, after that event Al no longer need to draw circles to perform alchemy.
So when Martel show up again I know she will die. But in anime the pieces they move to lead to this event just feel too forced. Anyone can kill Martel inside Al. They don't have to move pride all way there just to do this. And why do pride just let Al live anyway when they already want to discard Ed? Was he sure Martel did not tell Al anything? It made sense in the manga but not here.
And then there is Scar's brother, who was shown to have lost the left arm while making Lust, but still have it in later scenes. He must have learn how to grow it back while studying about the stone... :uhoh:
The way which Mustang just protect Al from Kimberley without asking Al before and after is also annoying. He could just arrest him for blowing up the door guard.
So Kimberley was probably punished for losing the red stone, which will be used in enhancing the silver clocks I suppose.
If King Bradley is presumed to be Pride given by all fan speculation, will he have the Ultimate Eye?
dreamless
2004-07-18, 15:03
If King Bradley is presumed to be Pride given by all fan speculation, will he have the Ultimate Eye?
actually, he is clearly shown with the ultimate eye in this episode, that's why I say he's a homunculus with confidence (which is not a speculation :p)
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v297/dreamless0/ultieye.jpg
FeiFongWong
2004-07-18, 15:03
Ugghhh, this episode was rather annoying...not that it was a bad episode but..
i just HATE it when women get raped or skewered to death..be it real or fictional...at this rate i won't get a decent rest tonight.......WHY DID MARTEL HAVE TO DIE IN SUCH A PATHETIC WAY!?!!
dark is good but this is going towards an overdose.
Same here, when I watched this episode I was like... what did Scar just say... I only know as much japanese as one can learn from watching anime. So words I hear a lot I understand. During that scene I made out what Ed said... then made out the last part that Scar said... but the part in the middle, I didn't know the words. But from ED's reaction and the atomosphere at the time, I had a pretty dam good idea what was said. I was like NOO FREAKING WAY... I was so vexed that the forums were down at the time so I couldn't confirm what happened.
Below contains a spoiler for another show...
I also really really really hate it when girls get raped in animes, or in anything in general. I watched Legend of the Condor Heros live action when I was a little kid, like 8 years ago. I liked the first series but didn't like the sequel as much since right off the bat the main char's teacher/girlfriend gets raped.
And rorosama use spoiler tags, if someone haven't watched the episode yet, you just spilled a huge a spoiler.
Youko Recca
2004-07-18, 15:05
Damn was this a great episode!
Yeah Bradley has the Ultimate Eye seemingly, that would explain why the movements during Martel's death seemed a little slow and confusing. Al couldn't have done anything to save her. I am just glad King is still going to be a literal bad ass.
Do you really need spoiler marks in these threads?
To be honest anyone who hasnt seen the episode and is reading these threads obviously wants to know what happened. I doubt anyone just reads this without watching the episode and without wanting to know what happened.
Don't you think is about time for this episode discussion thread to move into the sticky threads?
Youko Recca
2004-07-18, 17:27
Do you really need spoiler marks in these threads?
To be honest anyone who hasnt seen the episode and is reading these threads obviously wants to know what happened. I doubt anyone just reads this without watching the episode and without wanting to know what happened.
Regardless, I think for that person who will look and them maybe doing it out of excitement. With stuff that happens in a show like this even if a person asks I wouldn't spoil it for them.
dreamless
2004-07-18, 18:01
oh, and next week there will a continuous 1-hour-long 2-episode special aired in one week, great! :cool:
Maybe my imagination after this episode. But i got that feeling episodes far ago...
Bradley might be a homunculus version of Erics father ?
Highly unlikely. Hohenheim has a beard for a start (and you know that kind of thing never changes in an anime!)
So that's all the sins accounted for then, but is it Dante or Hohenheim (or someone else?!) who's the big-bad behind it all? :uhoh:
You know i'm so glad this series is not splitting intense episodes up with spoilers any more. I hope at least from now until the Ed/Al's quest/story is fulfilled i hope they don't delay or include fillers because they are annoying.
Esp when everything gets good and you have to wait not 1 but 2 weeks to see the rest. The exitement kinda drops and pisses you off a little.
I would really REALLY like to see Colonel Mustang fight, omg omg, seriously! Such a powerful character and we've never seen him fight a real serious fight with a descent enemy.
Also, i can't wait until this episode! Sounds...exiting, i'm rather spoiled but still wanting it.
Burner of Anime
2004-07-19, 02:44
Off topic but still.
Below contains a spoiler for another show...
I also really really really hate it when girls get raped in animes, or in anything in general. I watched Legend of the Condor Heros live action when I was a little kid, like 8 years ago. I liked the first series but didn't like the sequel as much since right off the bat the main char's teacher/girlfriend gets raped.
Got news for you here, that's the way it has always been through all the show's remakes from HK, Taiwan or Singapore over the last 25 years. This series was originally adapted from a series of chinese kung fu novels and is still quite popular. It's just that what happened as well as the heavy use of poisons [which is a trademark of sorts for the author Louise Cha] can be rather starting for ppl unfamilliar with his work. Fair warning, he doesn't shy with killing off a favourite either.
dreamless
2004-07-19, 02:54
Off topic but still.
Got news for you here, that's the way it has always been through all the show's remakes from HK, Taiwan or Singapore over the last 25 years. This series was originally adapted from a series of chinese kung fu novels and is still quite popular. It's just that what happened as well as the heavy use of poisons [which is a trademark of sorts for the author Louise Cha] can be rather starting for ppl unfamilliar with his work. Fair warning, he doesn't shy with killing off a favourite either.
So Jin Yong's english name is Louise Cha? sounds weird... anyway it's not his trademark, the use of poisons are as much a trademark of chinese martial art novels as the use of chi.
I think "that part" of the Legend of Condor Hero is just one of reasons of why this novel is so great. It ranks my third favorite of his 14 novels (the top two being Tian Long Ba Bu and Lian Cheng Jue)
As usual, Yebyosh's translated preview summaries didn't do it justice...
Although I was disappointed that Scar is still alive. I rather thought he'd die.
Good news on Lust's hair, that will be useful.
Seeing as how I don't understand what's said, I nearly missed what Scar told him about Roze. It took a moment to click in but it makes sense now. Scar isn't acting alone here, that's interesting to note.
Still not sure what Lyra is up to....although I think that will be revealed soon.
It has surpassed expectations as usual.
And to the person who complained about fillers:
It's almost safe to say, that won't happen. We're in the last arc now, ten-twelve episodes out and there isn't time. And at least we know until 44 it's all plot movement, even if some might not seem like it. But I don't see where the filler could even come in at this point.
So next week...
Ed vs. Wrath! I'm hoping for a decent fight...not like the Scar fight.
Oh, and question for those that understand...
Why couldn't Scar take out Ed's automail? I know he tried...what was the explanation there?
Freakman
2004-07-19, 05:13
About King
He says he has the Ultimate Eye when he shows it to Martel.
"Saikyou no me wa aru no de ne."
More precisely, he says : "Fast moves don't work on me, because i have the Ultimate eye".
dreamless
2004-07-19, 05:47
Oh, and question for those that understand...
Why couldn't Scar take out Ed's automail? I know he tried...what was the explanation there?
It's because Ed transmuted his automail material into something other than steel. As Scar's power of alchemy involves understanding and destuction and he can subconsciously analyze the material he holds, but now he presumes the material of the automail is steel, so he fail to desintegrate it.
It's because Ed transmuted his automail material into something other than steel. As Scar's power of alchemy involves understanding and destuction and he can subconsciously analyze the material he holds, but now he presumes the material of the automail is steel, so he fail to desintegrate it.
But...
I thought Scar's arm also gave him information about who and what he touches instantly. Wouldn't he know that it wasn't steel the moment he touched it?
Wow. What an ep.... Wow... This was cool, but I have to indulge myself in a
Martel! NOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooo!!!!!! <<SOB!>> I liked that girl..... ok, I'm composed now.
Very cool episode all things told but I will understand a lot more once I get a chance to SWDAT (Sit With Dictionary And Translate) or alternatively that other thing people like to do with this show....
duckroll
2004-07-19, 10:12
But...
I thought Scar's arm also gave him information about who and what he touches instantly. Wouldn't he know that it wasn't steel the moment he touched it?
I think like any science, he has to actually think about it to analyze the composition. When he used it on Nina, he had all the time in the world and Nina wasn't running away from him. In this battle Ed could be changing the property everytime he taps his arm or leg, Scar assumed it was steel as before, and in a fast battle you can't stop, hold you opponent's arm and analyze what it's made of. You could try but then you would get trashed, which is what happened here. :)
Gabriel710
2004-07-19, 11:12
Hmmm my spoon is still in the diswasher so I'll just use my fork for now.
Damn this ep ruled. The entrance of Mr I kick everyones ass wasnt as great as the manga but its still was great. I really wasnt expecting him to show up in this ep.
Okay Im still sticking with my theory that it will be Mustang that will beat Pride in the end.
Unfortunately, my first fork was stained, rusted, and twisted, so it was not usable anymore.
Good riddance, that I bought a second fork which it is better polished, stainless, and with an improved arrangement.
//If You Know What I Mean
Unfortunately, my first fork was stained, rusted, and twisted, so it was not usable anymore.
Good riddance, that I bought a second fork which it is better polished, stainless, and with an improved arrangement.
//If You Know What I Mean
was the second fork worth it?
Is this talk really needed? :p
Oh well episode 40 was great, I've a question though:
Does Al now know about King Bradley = Homunculus? That part was kind of confusing, I didn't really understood that.
was the second fork worth it?
Right now, I'm using. I'll reply later when I'm done with it.
Is this talk really needed? :p
Oh well episode 40 was great, I've a question though:
Does Al now know about King Bradley = Homunculus? That part was kind of confusing, I didn't really understood that.
I don't think so, Martel was killed before she could tell Al.
Her last words wer "Al, hear me out."
Right now, I'm using. I'll reply later when I'm done with it.
Odd, everyone seemed to have lost their spoons this time. Forks work for me though, mine should be arriving soon, I hope it's as good as my spoon was.
Technovia_EX
2004-07-19, 14:30
Could everyone stop commenting about utensils, esp. the spoon? I get what you mean (Heck, I started it =D. Do a search for spoon in the FMA forums and you'll see mine was the first couple of posts) It's getting really annoying now, and if the mods don't catch it, then they must be stupid cause it's not on topic, and all it's just spam.
Getting back to the topic, the preview was interesting from ep. 39. And the anime does seem to be getting darker, if it wasn't obvious already. I have yet to see a raw or subbed version, but hopefully there will be one eventully.
I don't think so, Martel was killed before she could tell Al.
Her last words wer "Al, hear me out."
Ahhh yes, too bad
You know I really hate these moments where a character gets killed right before she tells something very important :p
Oh well I've to say I didn't see Matel's dead coming, normally they always concentrate on a character too much before they kill him/her *cough*Hughes*cough*
thelightandthedark
2004-07-19, 15:01
This show gets better and better - the ending was so tragic - but so beautiful.
tear :heh:
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Odd, everyone seemed to have lost their spoons this time. Forks work for me though, mine should be arriving soon, I hope it's as good as my spoon was.
nothing is as good as a spoon, but a fork comes right after it
nothing is as good as a spoon, but a fork comes right after it
jesus man, the fork subbing job was THE WORST THING EVER
ARRRRRRRGH HELP MEEEEE, it was a disgrace!!! :mad:
the first fork might have been a tad rusted and warped and looked more like a knife. but now the fork has got got put in some clr so it is now shiny but it didn't fix the acwardness of using a fork where one should use a spoon
Actually, you guys are wrong on why Scar can't destroy Ed's Automail.
It's because alchemy is broken down into three parts: understanding it, breaking the object down, then rebuilding it into something else. Scar stops at the second part. However, as soon as Scar hits Ed with his arm, Ed uses his own alchemic power to finish up the process. So before it's broken down, it's being rebuilt back up by Ed.
Make sense?
ArbalestAS
2004-07-19, 21:09
About Bradley
just wondering what his power is? is it just that he's hella fast, and the ultimate eye lets him see movements like kakashi's sharingan? haha, he even has a scar on his right eye too (why does he even have a scar there, wouldn't his ultimate eye already be there if he were homunculus and not need to look like it was implanted there???), cause the ending with al just letting him kill martel and not moving was weird.
At last, I'm done with episode 40.
I was first awed and in the end distressed.
This is a very huge of spoiler. So ready your reading.
Martel attempts assassination of Kimblee, but he blows a soldier on them. Al manages to save her and performs Alchemy to singlehandely beat him. Martel runs away, as soon as she hears military footsteps.
Roy arrests Kimblee without objections.
The Führer leaves for Ishbal, leaving a dork at head of Central HQ. He's accompanied by Sloth and, from out of nowhere, Wrath appears between both.
During that moment, I thought the Führer was Envy impersonating him.
Scar and Ed's fight ensues at Lior's slums; cornered in an alleyway. Scar tries to blow Ed's automail, but he remarks him that his alchemy possess only the knowledge to desintegrate things. Since Ed, knows about disintegration and reintegration principles of Alchemy, he's able to complete the process faster before Scar blows him.
However, Scar gets a hold of his fleshy arm, and Ed prepares to deliver the coup d' grace, until Sloth's halberd gets in the way of both.
Homunculi Lust and Gluttony make their entrance, and Ed performs alchemy to blow up a steam pipe, letting the boiling vapor loose on both Lust and Gluttony. They scream and when the steam clears both stand up with their bruises immediately healed; Gluttony grins even more wickier.
Lust retorts Ed that since previous times he can't kill them like he did to Greed. However, she's after Scar so she will spare him for tonight. Scar takes a pendant from his robes, and orders Lust to remember that the object was a memento she gave to her brother.
Lust looks indifferently and has no clue what Scar is talking about. Scar orders to pay attention to the pendant, and when she fixes her gazes to the oject, Lust immediately freaks out and faints away.
Gluttony carries her and glares at both with hatred. Then he climbs a wall and eats through the wall, escaping.
Ed demands Scar what he's up to do in Lior, but Rose appears on the scene along with Lyla.
In an underground cellar, everyone clears up to Ed.
The abomination: Rose was raped by someone in the military, and she gave birth to a baby which she tends to preciously.
Ed freaks out after hearing this.
Known revelations: Ed explains to both Lyla and Scar that Homunculi are the result of failed human transmutations. Scar thinks that Lust is his brother's lover, but Ed cuts in that Homunculi are not the same people who died, but rather monsters with an insatiatable desire.
Scar wonders why she stopped on her tracks. Ed takes the pendant that Scar is holding and proceeds to open up a tiny hatch on it. On the inside, there's a tiny compartment that keeps a strand of hair left from the woman who used to be Scar's brother girlfriend.
Just as I suspected. Way back in episode 34, Greed was partially correct. You don't need only the remaining bones of the deceased which were performed transmutation on them for a Homunculus to be borned. They can be also paralyzed with other organic materials from the transmutated deceased like hair, blood, skin, and even finger/toe nails.
Lyla comments Ed that Dante told her that Homunculi were after something that could help them: No surprise the Philosopher's Stone.
Scar begins to tell his past.
His brother used to be an avid supporter of Ishbal, but he deterred from their religious ways by secretly smuggling alchemy books from Central; everyone knows that he wanted to resurrect his girlfriend at all costs but failed in the attempt.
Now I understand why he ended with those tattoos. Likely an after-effect of the transmutation.
The Ishvarite ensued in an escapade after their land was taken over by State Alchemists. However, their escape was short cut by Kimblee to kill everyone by orders of the military. Scar attempted to oppose him, but he blew his forehead giving Scar the "trademark scar" for with he has been known, and then Kimblee blew Scar's right arm.
That scene was crude but not gross because there was no bloodshed displayed and the arm just was thrown away without exploding.
Scar's brother realized the danger. Kimblee kept showing off that they won't be able to harm him, as long as he was possessing the red stone hanging around his neck. The Proto Philosopher's Stone
The moment he saw the crimson stone, the tattoos on Scar's brother reacted, and the stone flew away from Kimblee and was absorbed into Scar's brother body.
Kimblee was late to realize what had just happened when the State Alchemists arrive, so he had to leave the scenery immediately.
After the dust cleared. Scar became awared that his brother partially succeeded in transmutating his arm on him. His brother confessed him that this was all that he was able to do for him in order for his little brother to forgive him.
Back to the present time, Scar though has not yet been able to forgive his brother.
Ed's upset that Scar keeps on thinking that low about his sibling.
What I have doubts is how Rose is essential to whose plans, and why does she was fitted into all of this madness?
Ed figures out a vision about the transmutation undergoing throughout all Lior, and military personnel being disintegrated in the process, and then to an image of Scar, holding a gigantic red crystal: The Perfectioned Philosopher's Stone
Back at the Military's camp HQ
The Führer arrives. Meanwhile, Al searches for Martel throughout the offices. Martel hides in a stretch stone passageway and overheards voices. She stops to an air vent and watches the Führer talking to both Kimblee and Tucker.
The Führer approves of Tucker to create a powerful chimera for military purposes and issues Kimblee to dispatch Edward without fail. The Führer is growing anxious that Ed has gotten very deep into their plans and is growing tired from him.
Upon hearing this, Martel becomes enraged, and as soon as the Führer leaves, she ambushes him in a dark passageway and puts the knife on his throat, threatening him that she won't allow him to kill Ed.
Suddenly, she felt a sort of hit that knocked the knife out from her grasp. The Führer breaks free with no effort at all, and Martel launches a barrage of speedy snake-fists at him which he dodges them with ease, not before she knocks his eyepatch.
The Führer taunts her that she's unable to land not even a single finger on him due to something he means to as the "Ultimate Eye". His left eye, which was covered by the eyepatch, opens up to reveal an Uroboros tattoo on it.
I had to see it to believe it. I'm finally convinced, the Führer is the seventh sin Homunculus, Pride.
Seeing the mark, Martel realizes what the Führer's identity is
Note: I meant "what" not "who". Martel knew about the Führer's identity nature, but not about his identity persona.
She quickly runs for it, followed by the Führer behind; walking calmly with peace as he unsheathes his sword. Martels finally finds Al, and he let's her inside his armor self. She wants Al to listen carefully to what she's about to say, but before she was able to spill the beans.....
.....Al suddenly feels an odd premonition and turns to see the Führer, who greets him with an ease smile; both his eyes are closed. Then, Al feels totally drowsy or unconscious, as the Führer very slowly and calmly sinks the sword, without being hasty, through Al's armor opening between the helmet and the neck area all the way down.
A brief moment of silence. The noise of blood gushing out. The Führer retracts the sword from Al, sheathes it, and apologizes for any trouble to him before leaving.
When Al snaps out, somehow he could feel that Martel's life was extinguished, but likely he didn't have any clue about the killer.
Al bows on his knees and is clearly displayed that his tears try to come out. He sobs the lament of sorrow.
What I can inferred from all this scene is that the Ultimate Eye has an special ability to mesmerize or put into trance other people, regarding being of flesh and metal. The Ultimate Eye likely attacks a person's soul directly at psychological level, that's why Martel couldn't land any punches to the Führer due that his Ultimate Eye delayed her movements by looking directly at it. Same goes for Al, who he couldn't realize the Führer's pressence until he turned around. However, his eyes were shut the moment Al turned to face him. I presume that the Führer performed his Ultimate Eye while Al was still turned backwards; likely the Ultimate Eye affects the person regardless in any sort of direction, as long as the user stands right next to that person.
Martel's death in the anime was handed the very same way as in the manga, except that the place and circumstances of her death were managed differently though.
This was a awed-teary episode. It really moved me. The translation was standard due to some minor grammatical errors that I noticed, but still they were tolerable.
And yes Antonik, it was worth it.
At last, I'm done with episode 40.
I was first awed and in the end distressed.
This is a very huge of spoiler. So ready your reading.
Martel attempts assassination of Kimblee, but he blows a soldier on them. Al manages to save her and performs Alchemy to singlehandely beat him. Martel runs away, as soon as she hears military footsteps.
Roy arrests Kimblee without objections.
The Führer leaves for Ishbal, leaving a dork at head of Central HQ. He's accompanied by Sloth and, from out of nowhere, Wrath appears between both.
During that moment, I thought the Führer was Envy impersonating him.
Scar and Ed's fight ensues at Lior's slums; cornered in an alleyway. Scar tries to blow Ed's automail, but he remarks him that his alchemy possess only the knowledge to desintegrate things. Since Ed, knows about disintegration and reintegration principles of Alchemy, he's able to complete the process faster before Scar blows him.
However, Scar gets a hold of his fleshy arm, and Ed prepares to deliver the coup d' grace, until Sloth's halberd gets in the way of both.
Homunculi Lust and Gluttony make their entrance, and Ed performs alchemy to blow up a steam pipe, letting the boiling vapor loose on both Lust and Gluttony. They scream and when the steam clears both stand up with their bruises immediately healed; Gluttony grins even more wickier.
Lust retorts Ed that since previous times he can't kill them like he did to Greed. However, she's after Scar so she will spare him for tonight. Scar takes a pendant from his robes, and orders Lust to remember that the object was a memento she gave to her brother.
Lust looks indifferently and has no clue what Scar is talking about. Scar orders to pay attention to the pendant, and when she fixes her gazes to the oject, Lust immediately freaks out and faints away.
Gluttony carries her and glares at both with hatred. Then he climbs a wall and eats through the wall, escaping.
Ed demands Scar what he's up to do in Lior, but Rose appears on the scene along with Lyla.
In an underground cellar, everyone clears up to Ed.
The abomination: Rose was raped by someone in the military, and she gave birth to a baby which she tends to preciously.
Ed freaks out after hearing this.
Known revelations: Ed explains to both Lyla and Scar that Homunculi are the result of failed human transmutations. Scar thinks that Lust is his brother's lover, but Ed cuts in that Homunculi are not the same people who died, but rather monsters with an insatiatable desire.
Scar wonders why she stopped on her tracks. Ed takes the pendant that Scar is holding and proceeds to open up a tiny hatch on it. On the inside, there's a tiny compartment that keeps a strand of hair left from the woman who used to be Scar's brother girlfriend.
Just as I suspected. Way back in episode 34, Greed was partially correct. You don't need only the remaining bones of the deceased which were performed transmutation on them for a Homunculus to be borned. They can be also paralyzed with other organic materials from the transmutated deceased like hair, blood, skin, and even finger/toe nails.
Lyla comments Ed that Dante told her that Homunculi were after something that could help them: No surprise the Philosopher's Stone.
Scar begins to tell his past.
His brother used to be an avid supporter of Ishbal, but he deterred from their religious ways by secretly smuggling alchemy books from Central; everyone knows that he wanted to resurrect his girlfriend at all costs but failed in the attempt.
Now I understand why he ended with those tattoos. Likely an after-effect of the transmutation.
The Ishvarite ensued in an escapade after their land was taken over by State Alchemists. However, their escape was short cut by Kimblee to kill everyone by orders of the military. Scar attempted to oppose him, but he blew his forehead giving Scar the "trademark scar" for with he has been known, and then Kimblee blew Scar's right arm.
That scene was crude but not gross because there was no bloodshed displayed and the arm just was thrown away without exploding.
Scar's brother realized the danger. Kimblee kept showing off that they won't be able to harm him, as long as he was possessing the red stone hanging around his neck. The Proto Philosopher's Stone
The moment he saw the crimson stone, the tattoos on Scar's brother reacted, and the stone flew away from Kimblee and was absorbed into Scar's brother body.
Kimblee was late to realize what had just happened when the State Alchemists arrive, so he had to leave the scenery immediately.
After the dust cleared. Scar became awared that his brother partially succeeded in transmutating his arm on him. His brother confessed him that this was all that he was able to do for him in order for his little brother to forgive him.
Back to the present time, Scar though has not yet been able to forgive his brother.
Ed's upset that Scar keeps on thinking that low about his sibling.
What I have doubts is how Rose is essential to whose plans, and why does she was fitted into all of this madness?
Ed figures out a vision about the transmutation undergoing throughout all Lior, and military personnel being disintegrated in the process, and then to an image of Scar, holding a gigantic red crystal: The Perfectioned Philosopher's Stone
Back at the Military's camp HQ
The Führer arrives. Meanwhile, Al searches for Martel throughout the offices. Martel hides in a stretch stone passageway and overheards voices. She stops to an air vent and watches the Führer talking to both Kimblee and Tucker.
The Führer approves of Tucker to create a powerful chimera for military purposes and issues Kimblee to dispatch Edward without fail. The Führer is growing anxious that Ed has gotten very deep into their plans and is growing tired from him.
Upon hearing this, Martel becomes enraged, and as soon as the Führer leaves, she ambushes him in a dark passageway and puts the knife on his throat, threatening him that she won't allow him to kill Ed.
Suddenly, she felt a sort of hit that knocked the knife out from her grasp. The Führer breaks free with no effort at all, and Martel launches a barrage of speedy snake-fists at him which he dodges them with ease, not before she knocks his eyepatch.
The Führer taunts her that she's unable to land not even a single finger on him due to something he means to as the "Ultimate Eye". His left eye, which was covered by the eyepatch, opens up to reveal an Uroboros tattoo on it.
I had to see it to believe it. I'm finally convinced, the Führer is the seventh sin Homunculus, Pride.
Seeing the mark, Martel realizes what the Führer's identity is
Note: I meant "what" not "who". Martel knew about the Führer's identity nature, but not about his identity persona.
She quickly runs for it, followed by the Führer behind; walking calmly with peace as he unsheathes his sword. Martels finally finds Al, and he let's her inside his armor self. She wants Al to listen carefully to what she's about to say, but before she was able to spill the beans.....
.....Al suddenly feels an odd premonition and turns to see the Führer, who greets him with an ease smile; both his eyes are closed. Then, Al feels totally drowsy or unconscious, as the Führer very slowly and calmly sinks the sword, without being hasty, through Al's armor opening between the helmet and the neck area all the way down.
A brief moment of silence. The noise of blood gushing out. The Führer retracts the sword from Al, sheathes it, and apologizes for any trouble to him before leaving.
When Al snaps out, somehow he could feel that Martel's life was extinguished, but likely he didn't have any clue about the killer.
Al bows on his knees and is clearly displayed that his tears try to come out. He sobs the lament of sorrow.
What I can inferred from all this scene is that the Ultimate Eye has an special ability to mesmerize or put into trance other people, regarding being of flesh and metal. The Ultimate Eye likely attacks a person's soul directly at psychological level, that's why Martel couldn't land any punches to the Führer due that his Ultimate Eye delayed her movements by looking directly at it. Same goes for Al, who he couldn't realize the Führer's pressence until he turned around. However, his eyes were shut the moment Al turned to face him. I presume that the Führer performed his Ultimate Eye while Al was still turned backwards; likely the Ultimate Eye affects the person regardless in any sort of direction, as long as the user stands right next to that person.
Martel's death in the anime was handed the very same way as in the manga, except that the place and circumstances of her death were managed differently though.
This was a awed-teary episode. It really moved me. The translation was standard due to some minor grammatical errors that I noticed, but still they were tolerable.
And yes Antonik, it was worth it.
Excellent Spoiler, though i caught it too.. I really wanna know why Dante was killed, maybe soon we'll know soon..
Guido You should be our permanent spoiler poster or rather summary of the episode so people might get some balls about FMA
dreamless
2004-07-19, 23:19
About Bradley
just wondering what his power is? is it just that he's hella fast, and the ultimate eye lets him see movements like kakashi's sharingan? haha, he even has a scar on his right eye too (why does he even have a scar there, wouldn't his ultimate eye already be there if he were homunculus and not need to look like it was implanted there???), cause the ending with al just letting him kill martel and not moving was weird.
I thought maybe his ability is something like the Dragon Eye in Tenjho Tenge XD
Or maybe it has the effect of a Time Stop? Hmmm....
threepac3
2004-07-20, 01:00
Ill give some ppl explainations:
The reason the AL didn't kill or stop the furur, becuase he was killing an outlaw Chimera(that tryed to kill him).
Al still does not know the furur is a Humalaculi because his eyes were closed when he saw the furur.
The reason Scares brother has both arms before he gave Scar one is becuase he never lost it. His brother lost one of his legs not his arms when he was transmutating his girl friend.
The Furur is not PRIDE he is Wrath
BTW this is to answer some ppl's missunderstandings about some scenes in the anime.
ArbalestAS
2004-07-20, 01:18
The reason the AL didn't kill or stop the furur, becuase he was killing an outlaw Chimera(that tryed to kill him).
Al still does not know the furur is a Humalaculi because his eyes were closed when he saw the furur.
The reason Scares brother has both arms before he gave Scar one is becuase he never lost it. His brother lost one of his legs not his arms when he was transmutating his girl friend.
The Furur is not PRIDE he is Wrath
if al didn't care for martel and let fuhrer kill her, what's the point of him saving her from that miliary guy bomb that kimblee made just earlier in the same episode?
where does it say that scar's brother lost his leg when transmuting?
and the already have a wrath in the anime. and the only homunculus postion left is pride. wrath is the kid that looks like envy with long hair that they focused on for like 3 episodes around ep 30.
Pepperidge
2004-07-20, 04:00
Wow, I'm glad to see a couple of plot points skipped earlier from the manga being covered here. I'm happy to see that the anime isn't diverging from the manga completely.
lol, threepac is like wrong on every single aspect of his analysis. If you can't back it up with evidence from the anime (or manga), then you are wrong.
The Fuhrer is PRIDE; Izumi's kid (in homunculus form) is WRATH. It didn't say that Scar's brother lost anything. You are just basing your assumptions on Ed; Izumi lost her internal organs. Losing appendages is not the only result of a human transmutation, so I don't even know why you are bringing up the arm thing.
Here is a question about Al and Martel's death.
Remember in the manga when blood touches the circle inside Al does he see the truth in the Anime like he did in the manga and can he perform alchemy without a circle like Al?[/QUOTE]
To gaheris
It was neither showcased nor implied at that moment in the anime whether or not the blood had touched Al's transmutation array. However, by just watching Al's reaction, it can be inferred safely that he did not saw the truth for the time being.
Although gaheris your hypothetical question could make some point in future FMA anime episodes. I mean, it would be cool, as also come in handy for Al, if he's able to realize it, and peform his alchemy (Highlight the rest of the sentence that is in white) the same way as his brother Ed does.
Maybe next episode he'll be able to. This one doesn't show him seeing "the truth" tho, does it?
I got the impression Scar's brother lost some of his midsection after creating Lust... see ep 35 at time 0:19:58
Sniff... Martel died :(
But, she did say "Al, Ed is in trouble!"
=(
Al should have ran instead of look backwards >.< That eye is kind of like Itachi's sharingan haha...
GrapeSoda
2004-07-20, 14:17
man that sucked. martel died... otherwise great episode although i dont really see how al could have beat kimblee single handedly.
I could see Al running off to Lior now that he knows Martel's warning, to save his brother, although we don't know that yet.
The preview is interesting, for the next ep, isn't it?
Ed shackled with a wooden plank like Kimblee had and beside Lyra. Any thoughts/speculation on this?
Also Wrath vs. Ed, I hope it's better than the Scar battle, because for two people who are supposed to die, they sure are lucky when their opponants just plain suck. That little Scar fight was disappointing, and I hope someone has a good fight with him soon.
Hmm...how long until Kimblee and Tucker attack Ed? If they can that is...
This new arc is very promising in terms of excitement and leading up to a good climax. I hope the ending is complete enough. It may not be happy, probably won't be, but as long as it's complete I think we can be satisfied.
man that sucked. martel died... otherwise great episode although i dont really see how al could have beat kimblee single handedly.
Kimbley's specialty is being able to blow up objects(preferably humans :P), and since he was trapped by the wall, I don't think he could have escaped.
GrapeSoda
2004-07-20, 19:19
Isnt he a nationally certified alchemist? then he should be able to do a basic transmutions like al did and just undo them.
Saitou00
2004-07-20, 22:01
He needs a transmutation circle for this... maybe he just didn't had anything to draw this with him...
If I remember correctly, he has transmutation circles on the palm of his hands.
And what is the more accurate term - State Alchemist or Nationally Certified Alchemist
dreamless
2004-07-20, 22:42
man that sucked. martel died... otherwise great episode although i dont really see how al could have beat kimblee single handedly.
from what I understand, Al first transmuted a line of stone towards Kimblee, who then transmuted the stone into volatile explosive, but then Al transmuted the groud around him and locked him and the stone-which-now-is-volatile-explosive together, so that Kimblee end up blowing himself up.
About the transmutation circle, I guess those Alchmist can only do a pre-defined task with a pre-drawn circle, like Mustang can only start fire with the circle on his glove, and Lyra do only the wind attack with her amulet circle, and Kimblee only turning materials into explosives with the circle on his hand.
wilecoyot
2004-07-21, 00:54
just one small thought, or maybe question.....like we saw in this episode Lust fainted when she was told to remember...and the explinaton for this was given by Greed about the remainings of the failed transmutation and stuff...so here is my question..
its about Wrath...he is a 2 part thing...made from Izumi child and Edward...so if Lust fainted beacuse of her hair in tha neckles....why doesnt Wrath do the same when he is around Izumi or Edward?? Or does this only affect when a person is dead and the remainings are from a dead person....in which case Izumi should go look up the bones on the island and Wrath is gone...
Rockpaperscissors
2004-07-21, 03:03
just one small thought, or maybe question.....like we saw in this episode Lust fainted when she was told to remember...and the explinaton for this was given by Greed about the remainings of the failed transmutation and stuff...so here is my question..
its about Wrath...he is a 2 part thing...made from Izumi child and Edward...so if Lust fainted beacuse of her hair in tha neckles....why doesnt Wrath do the same when he is around Izumi or Edward?? Or does this only affect when a person is dead and the remainings are from a dead person....in which case Izumi should go look up the bones on the island and Wrath is gone...
well here's my two cents to your questions...
I assume anyone who reads has watched all the episodes up including 40...
otherwise what are you doing here??? this episode has one of the most important revelation of the series so get the hell out of here!!! don't spoil it to yourself!!!
first Wrath is different among the homonculi... most human transmutations are done a while after the person has passed away. for that reason they use new material to create the body for the person they intend to resurrect. after the transmutation fails and a homonculus is born there is the homonculus and beside it the failed inhuman body...(remember episode 35 when Lust remembers looking at the mass of failed organic material?)
when these Homonculi are close to the bodies of the people they resemble they are weekend. thats why greed couldn't escape and why Lust fainted...
wrath on the other hand does not have any remains on earth... IZUMI used the original body of her child to resurrect most likely because she already knew how to do human transmutation unlike many who try to learn it after they loose someone they cherish. after the transmutation fails and the baby is born again in an inhumane way she decides what she has done is wrong and does human transmution again and this time she offers her "resurrected baby" to the gate, where the offer is accepted and is taken behind the gate. there the baby matures slowly until a certain pair decides to raise their mother...
wrath on the other hand was untainted when he was "born" with Ed's arm and leg... assuming ed learns how to do the "DANTE sigil" transmutation which causes homonculi to puke their fake philosphers stones, he should become "untainted" again... he also relaxes for a very short time every time IZUMI holds her in her chest so that could be "his weekness".
- another thing about FUHRER... in the manga his title is indeed WRATH! however here wrath is izumi's "resurrected child"... and thus the only title left is "Pride" unless the anime allows two homonculi of the same title to exist which would be veeeery weird...
I doubt making a sin puke up their fake philosophers stones would help.. Greed didn't loose the circle-and-lines markings on his body, part of the whole corruption thing. The problem with innocence is that it's pretty much impossible to regain once you've lost it.. I'll bet we won't be seeing that "inncoent child" ever again. He willingly ate the proto-PS, even though he knew they contained human lives... that's damning himself by his own actions, surely.
So Ed+Al know where to get body parts to counter Sloth and Lust.. that leaves 5 sins to get body parts for, assuming a new Greed isn't on the way, and that it's even possible to get Wrath's remains.
wrath on the other hand does not have any remains on earth... IZUMI used the original body of her child to resurrect most likely because she already knew how to do human transmutation unlike many who try to learn it after they loose someone they cherish. after the transmutation fails and the baby is born again in an inhumane way she decides what she has done is wrong and does human transmution again and this time she offers her "resurrected baby" to the gate, where the offer is accepted and is taken behind the gate. there the baby matures slowly until a certain pair decides to raise their mother...
She doesn't actually do a second human transmutation does she? She blacked out, and woke at the gate, if I remember.
Rockpaperscissors
2004-07-21, 08:47
I doubt making a sin puke up their fake philosophers stones would help.. Greed didn't loose the circle-and-lines markings on his body, part of the whole corruption thing. The problem with innocence is that it's pretty much impossible to regain once you've lost it.. I'll bet we won't be seeing that "inncoent child" ever again. He willingly ate the proto-PS, even though he knew they contained human lives... that's damning himself by his own actions, surely.
So Ed+Al know where to get body parts to counter Sloth and Lust.. that leaves 5 sins to get body parts for, assuming a new Greed isn't on the way, and that it's even possible to get Wrath's remains.
She doesn't actually do a second human transmutation does she? She blacked out, and woke at the gate, if I remember.
she does a second transmutation, blacks out and wakes up at the gate, at least thats what I understood from the sequence in episode 31
what you are saying about taint is true, yet due to the differences in his creation (his true body was used in the resurrection process), wrath actually having "real" body parts and being able to do alchemy and the writers wanting to give us some sort of a happy ending, (especially if more beloved characters pass away later on)
he may just become "normal" should he puke the stones... if not.. well Ed can have a use for that arm and the leg...
possible gravesites of homonculi
also sloth = rizenbool
envy = a gut feeling, hohenheim will have an answer to that
pride = ishbal or central
gluttony = no body parts, he ate them all already!!! :-p
greed = too late for that isn't it???
wrath = will look in the mirror
lust = will you please please put this locket on???
Rrilltrae
2004-07-22, 15:37
Well... I couldn't find my spoon, so I decided to try a fork... I will never use one again, bad for the digestion
Anyways I feel better about the episode now, especially since I understand what's going on.
As far as Rose...
and the baby are concerned, I feel better now that my suspicions are confirmed and that I heard "voice" and never heard "baby" in the discussion between Scar and Ed about Rose... It seems they are deciding to be discreet, and allow older viewers to put together the fact that Rose was raped on their own.. After all, it can't be an orphan, because she was seen breast feeding. I think Scar was also being tactful so as not to bring up the painful experience around Rose, and given Ed's reaction, I think he got the picture.
Also, as far as Martel...
having a trivial death, I thought that was one of the most beautiful deaths in an anime, showing how fragile people can be even at their strongest when facing a force they cannot control. The fact that Al simply stood there makes the moment feel helpless, just as the creators were intending, I believe. Pride is definitely a force to be reconed with, and one has to wonder, how long did he have to keep this hidden to climb the ranks all the way to Fuhrer... I think the fact that he leaves Al alive is a big comment on his character, feeling that he is so insignificant that it really doesn't matter what he knows, he's just a human after all
NeoExcalibur
2004-07-22, 16:58
Yes, I found the SPOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now I can enjoy my beef soup :)
Now back on topic, I hope this episode can reveal more about Pride the crazy conspiracy going on in the military.
FlyByNite
2004-07-22, 19:40
Man... Really dark episode.
We had all pretty much relized by now Scar had his brother's arm, but we get to see the scene.
But there's the rape of a character introduced in the first episode (Rose), which isn't scene but is definitely alluded to through the conversation between Ed & Scar and those looks...
Then we end on the death of Martel, the unveiling of the Fuhrer as a homunuculus (which pretty much everyone knew by now anyway), but I'm glad I saw some spoilers in here about the powers of the ultimate eye because I was wondering why Al didn't do anything at all.
BTW, wtf does Envy do all day? Just slosh around inside of Sloth?
Komataguri
2004-07-22, 20:15
Martel...Martel... OMG.. Martel... *cries, bawls, throws a tear filled fit* WHY?!
Damn you evil Fuhrer asshole bastard man!
Someone destroy the military! I hope Scar transmutates the entire military in the next episode!
just one small thought, or maybe question.....like we saw in this episode Lust fainted when she was told to remember...and the explinaton for this was given by Greed about the remainings of the failed transmutation and stuff...so here is my question..
its about Wrath...he is a 2 part thing...made from Izumi child and Edward...so if Lust fainted beacuse of her hair in tha neckles....why doesnt Wrath do the same when he is around Izumi or Edward?? Or does this only affect when a person is dead and the remainings are from a dead person....in which case Izumi should go look up the bones on the island and Wrath is gone...edward doesnt work for wrath cause they would need thier mothers bones or hair to do it
in episode 41 preview.... was edward captured by lior people??... you can see the part where lyra talked to edward... edward's hands were cuffed?
Ok there is something I didn't understand here... well, actually, there are many thing I don't understand about FMA.
1. How did Dante die? You know the old lady... When Greed came to the house she was dead already, and her corpse was slipt open... ewww... And who killed here like that?
2. What the heck is the Ultimatemate eye? Why are you guys saying that that guy is a homunculos just for having that eye?
3. Why does the fuher want to kill Ed? Isn't enough to make the citizens atack the military first?
4. Why was the fuher together with homunculos at the beggening of the episode?
5. Who is that secretary? I know she is homunculos and that she is an infiltrator and all that. But I mean, who is she? Have we seen her original form somewhere before?
Sorry guys for asking so many questions but I find FMA's story line highly confusing at times...
I know this show is dark but didn't think it would step in a sexually dark way.
Really? I mean, all the times there has been a cute little girl or a woman, something bad happens to them.
I could go down the list, but there hardly has been a female on the show that hasn't ended up worst for wear, not to mention dead.
Rockpaperscissors
2004-07-23, 03:53
Ok there is something I didn't understand here... well, actually, there are many thing I don't understand about FMA.
1. How did Dante die? You know the old lady... When Greed came to the house she was dead already, and her corpse was slipt open... ewww... And who killed here like that?
2. What the heck is the Ultimatemate eye? Why are you guys saying that that guy is a homunculos just for having that eye?
3. Why does the fuher want to kill Ed? Isn't enough to make the citizens atack the military first?
4. Why was the fuher together with homunculos at the beggening of the episode?
5. Who is that secretary? I know she is homunculos and that she is an infiltrator and all that. But I mean, who is she? Have we seen her original form somewhere before?
Sorry guys for asking so many questions but I find FMA's story line highly confusing at times...
1) we don't know yet
2) ultimate eye is how the Fuhrer Himself identifies his special skill. It's not exactly clear what the power is. Lust's skill is identified as ultimate spear and Greed's as ultimate shield
3)Ed knows too much.
4) Fuhrer himself is a homonculus. Every homonculus has the oroburos tatoo...(the one on Lusts chest Gluttonies tounge greeds hand ect ect)
5) that secretary is ed and al's mom resurrected as a homonculus... she doesn't remember anything from her previous life except maybe a couple "flashes" which she doesn't understand.
dreamless
2004-07-23, 04:43
Ok there is something I didn't understand here... well, actually, there are many thing I don't understand about FMA.
1. How did Dante die? You know the old lady... When Greed came to the house she was dead already, and her corpse was slipt open... ewww... And who killed here like that?
Sorry guys for asking so many questions but I find FMA's story line highly confusing at times...
my theory is Dante performed a soul transfer alchemy and transferred her soul into Lyra. And the sould transfer process caused her old body split up.
of course we can't be sure yet, since there's so far very little info about it.
Umm... im a little confused, i think my spoon is telling me lies.
At 21:48 mins.
Lust clearly said refering to pride in episode 39 that: "She said to clear out anyone who finds out the secret about Ishbal."
Spelling Mistake? Or not Prides true form?
duckroll
2004-07-23, 08:35
That is one retarded editing error. You should have said "the subs clearly READ blahblahblah" since she does NOT clearly say anything regarding a "she" at all. :P
She was just continuing Gluttony's sentence of "Pride said to..." and said "....to kill everyone who knows about the secret to Ishbar."
But hey, with unofficial non-professional translations and editing without actual scripts based on nothing but listening to the audio, you don't really expect quality! :)
That is one retarded editing error. You should have said "the subs clearly READ blahblahblah" since she does NOT clearly say anything regarding a "she" at all. :P
She was just continuing Gluttony's sentence of "Pride said to..." and said "....to kill everyone who knows about the secret to Ishbar."
But hey, with unofficial non-professional translations and editing without actual scripts based on nothing but listening to the audio, you don't really expect quality! :)
Yeah sorry i meant read. Thanks for clearing that up.
Fighter Volk
2004-07-23, 10:30
That is one retarded editing error. You should have said "the subs clearly READ blahblahblah" since she does NOT clearly say anything regarding a "she" at all. :P
She was just continuing Gluttony's sentence of "Pride said to..." and said "....to kill everyone who knows about the secret to Ishbar."
But hey, with unofficial non-professional translations and editing without actual scripts based on nothing but listening to the audio, you don't really expect quality! :)
Have you seen some of ADV's DVD releases? Honestly, a whole bunch of times I've found fansubs to be more accurate than DVD releases. And my spoon is not an unofficial spoon. It carries the spirit of other utensils in its past. However, revealing the identity of that utensil would be bad and shameful, so it hides its identity as my spoon.
Simple enough, no? :)
Amazing episode. Looks like I was right all along about the Fuhrer being a homunculus, even though I started doubting it a lot when it was revealed that Sloth was a homunculus. For those who remember, I had a 'Speculation about the Fuhrer' thread back in the day... anyway, the first hint we get of Fuhrer = Pride was way back in episode 16, but BONES handled it well enough so as to never be clearly said until now. Excellent job BONES!
And Martel's death.... one of the most beautiful deaths in anime, for many of the reasons that have already been mentioned above. *breaks into uncontrollable tears*
But Gluttony was awesome in this episode. "I hate you.... I HATE YOU ALL!" and then doing some aerobic leaps and biting through the building wall... reminded me why he's my second favorite sin :D
duckroll
2004-07-23, 10:43
Have you seen some of ADV's DVD releases? Honestly, a whole bunch of times I've found fansubs to be more accurate than DVD releases.
Not going to get into another stupid fansubs vs DVDs debate. I was just stating that fansubbers are expected to be imperfect due to the way things are done. Some are better than others. When a professional release is screwed up, there's no excuse, just wanted to state not to take everything in a fansub to be 100% accurate. :)
Fighter Volk
2004-07-23, 10:49
Not going to get into another stupid fansubs vs DVDs debate. I was just stating that fansubbers are expected to be imperfect due to the way things are done. Some are better than others. When a professional release is screwed up, there's no excuse, just wanted to state not to take everything in a fansub to be 100% accurate. :)
Alright, sorry for my rash response. That was an awful mistake as well, seeing as it wasn't said in the actual Japanese dialogue, but it was WRONG, too. But you're definitely right in saying that fansubs are not always accurate.
I apologise once more for being an idiot.
where does it say that scar's brother lost his leg when transmuting?
Though i dont know this for certain. What i think he lost were his "family jewels" :) ... you can clearly see blood stains that stop at the crotch area when he opens the door.
4) Fuhrer himself is a homonculus. Every homonculus has the oroburos tatoo...(the one on Lusts chest Gluttonies tounge greeds hand ect ect)
5) that secretary is ed and al's mom resurrected as a homonculus... she doesn't remember anything from her previous life except maybe a couple "flashes" which she doesn't understand.
4.Is the mark in his eye a sign that he is a homonculus?
5 When was this part explained?
dreamless
2004-07-23, 15:07
4.Is the mark in his eye a sign that he is a homonculus?
5 When was this part explained?
4. yes, the mark of an uroboros with wings is the sign of a homunculus. Every homunculus has that mark, and it's explained in episode 23 I think.
5. it's not clearly explained, but it's so obviously hinted in episode 38 Winry's response seeing Sloth, and the explanation of the origin of a homunculus.
Wow, I can't believe that was actually Al there at the end. I can't believe he just let Martel die like that, whats wrong with him?!?!?! I was thinking the whole time that it was Envy,but I guess not. Thats kinda f***ed up if ya ask me. :twitch:
I think the reason Al doesn't do anything is because of all the things going on. Martel's running scared, with big news for him about his brother, and the Fuhrer is right behind him with a sword. Al's pretty smart, but I didn't think he comprehended the situation fast enough. That's what I thought when I saw the episode.
First post :D
dreamless
2004-07-23, 23:52
yup, Al is still a kid, a very naive one at that, and he got started a lot. it takes quite a lot of time for him to enter "combat mode"...
duckroll
2004-07-24, 00:27
Alright, sorry for my rash response. That was an awful mistake as well, seeing as it wasn't said in the actual Japanese dialogue, but it was WRONG, too. But you're definitely right in saying that fansubs are not always accurate.
I apologise once more for being an idiot.
You're not an idiot at all. I just didn't want to turn a thread discussing about a GREAT episode into some stupid arguements because other real idiots would definitely want to give everyone their "feedback" on ADV. :)
In about 3 hours, FMA41 and 42 will begin to air.... I can't wait! ^_^
Oh and I wonder if we'll find out who Lyra really is today... :)
AznExzztasy
2004-07-24, 00:45
can someone explain why al didnt move or anything when the fuhrer stabbed him? i dont get it :confused: why would he just stand there and let martel die?
can someone explain why al didnt move or anything when the fuhrer stabbed him? i dont get it :confused: why would he just stand there and let martel die?
Because of his Ultimate Eye. Either Alphone was enchanted/stunned (Think Dominique the Cyclops from Trigun), or the Fuhror was using super speed but it was shown in slow motion. He showed his movement capabilities against Martel before, after all. It is also possible that Alphone was surprised, and didn't react in time due to the Fuhror's abrupt presence and assault. It was sad, though, regardless. =(
Cheesemon
2004-07-24, 02:36
Well, I finally watched Ep. 40. Really, really amazing episode, but I'm banging my head on the table for never questioning the Fuhrer's eyepatch. :twitch:
That was a very powerful ending, especially since I just realized in the last episode that Martel is the cutest female in FMA. I was really looking forward to seeing more of her later, but angst happens. :heh: I think with only a few episodes left, the deaths are going to really start piling up . . . the great thing about FMA is that unlike most anime, they're not afraid to take risks. They know it's almost ending, they know that there will likely not be a second season, so they understand that getting rid of beloved characters for the sake of the story is ok. Emphasis on sake of the story, hopefully there aren't any purposeless deaths. ^^;
One more thing about that ending, it was all the more painful because you could really feel what Al was feeling. Sometimes I find a hard to ellicit a real emotional response from anime because it's just animated cels and the situations are usually very fantastic. But here, you could just feel how sick and shock Al was, just having someone die inside of you. This scene is truly one of the most powerful in all anime, and it's never gonna leave my head!! Ahhh!! XD
Cheesemon :nono: , sorry but you are incorrect.
Cutest female in FMA by far is Riza Hawkeye :)
ArbalestAS
2004-07-24, 05:03
not much to do with much of the episode....just a quick question.
is that temp/lieutenant fuhrer that general hakuro guy back from ep. 5?
duckroll
2004-07-24, 05:55
not much to do with much of the episode....just a quick question.
is that temp/lieutenant fuhrer that general hakuro guy back from ep. 5?
Yup, the stand-in Fuhrer is General Haruko who Ed and Al saved on the train in ep5 and he's the same person that lead the military in Lior originally in ep14. He's also the last person we see with Roze before she reappeared in ep39. He was asking her to reveal the location of the resistance base in Lior. :)
Cheesemon
2004-07-24, 05:59
Cheesemon :nono: , sorry but you are incorrect.
Cutest female in FMA by far is Riza Hawkeye :)
Haha, all the FMA girls are very attractively drawn. ^^; I think I really liked Martel just because of her full lips which I don't think I've seen before on anime women . . . actually, most anime women don't even have lips. ;)
Yeah, but they're usually drawn big elsewhere to compensate for the lips...
BTW, wtf does Envy do all day? Just slosh around inside of Sloth?
Pretty sure that was Wrath (who's been in Sloth before, and we know from the preview is heading to Lior), not Envy (who could just disguise himself as someone else!) :)
He's also the last person we see with Roze before she reappeared in ep39. He was asking her to reveal the location of the resistance base in Lior.
Oooh, well remembered, I forgot about that.. wonder if he's to blame for her current state?
We don't know 100% for certain that Bradley is a homunculus
Since in the manga, Greed was shocked at the idea of an aging homunculus
and he has a wife (yes, this could be explained if he died and came back quickly)
and he doesn't have any visible red circles/lines characteristic of the sins
AND (the biggie) there's a scar around his Ultimate Eye- either harmless from when he lost his original eye, or from when the ultimate eye could have been surgically planted in his head! (Where the other sharingan eye that Kakeshi didn't get went to? ;))
He's almost certainly the homunculus Pride, but until someone says it outright, the vague possibility remains that he's just had the eye stuck in. :)
duckroll
2004-07-24, 07:40
Oooh, well remembered, I forgot about that.. wonder if he's to blame for her current state?
Man, that would be SICK. :)
He's almost certainly the homunculus Pride, but until someone says it outright, the vague possibility remains that he's just had the eye stuck in. :)
Eww. Since we're making wild random guesses... maybe the EYE is the homunculus Pride, and it's controlling him after they surgically implanted it in! Haha..... shit now if that actually happens I'm going to have to stab myself in the head. :(
dreamless
2004-07-24, 10:28
Eww. Since we're making wild random guesses... maybe the EYE is the homunculus Pride, and it's controlling him after they surgically implanted it in! Haha..... shit now if that actually happens I'm going to have to stab myself in the head. :(
lol, I wonder who got resurrected as an eyeball... that would feel bad :D
one thing about FMA is that a lot of the people I previously thought as some non-important side-characters actually plays big roles later... I never thought that we'd see that general again, and like THIS XD
AznExzztasy
2004-07-24, 11:55
lol, the eye is the homoculus? thats kinda weird, but is a possibility. btw, when ed dressed up to go into Lior, he looked EXACTLYY like wrath. same height too? :heh: :heh:
Just a comment about the ending...
It's been said before, but I didn't get the feeling that Al was purposely doing nothing when Martel was killed. As no one's really sure what the Ultimate Eye's exact powers are, I'm going with the explanation that Al was just surprised to find the Fuhrer standing right behind him, and couldn't react fast enough to stop him from killing Martel. I also think the scene was done in slightly slow motion, to give it more impact. This has all been stated before, I'm just concurring with these observations...
inu-fma88fan
2004-07-24, 18:35
wow i just watch 40... it was GREat^^ not that anyone cares but the previews for the next episode was shocking...
who is that baby that roze was holding... gasp i hope its not part scar's child!! cause in the preview roze and scar were close to each other!!
and the idea about using the military for the source to make the ph stone!!! i hope roy and other good military avoid the war!!
haha kimy... he busted himself today... that was soo funny!!
ok i will stopped the random talks and can't wait for the next episode
Agreed sperry, people are jumping to too many "Ultimate Eye hypnotizes" hypothesis for my tastes.
ChainLegacy
2004-07-24, 20:02
wow i just watch 40... it was GREat^^ not that anyone cares but the previews for the next episode was shocking...
who is that baby that roze was holding... gasp i hope its not part scar's child!! cause in the preview roze and scar were close to each other!!
and the idea about using the military for the source to make the ph stone!!! i hope roy and other good military avoid the war!!
haha kimy... he busted himself today... that was soo funny!!
ok i will stopped the random talks and can't wait for the next episode
Eh... Roze has that baby cuz someone in the military raped her... I'm not gonna bother puttin' spoiler tags since you shouldn't look at an ep that's already been widely watched's thread if you haven't seen it...
when does roze get raped??? :twitch: :twitch:
ep 40?? 39? 38? 37? no..
is it just a theory or truth?
ChainLegacy
2004-07-24, 20:41
when does roze get raped??? :twitch: :twitch:
ep 40?? 39? 38? 37? no..
is it just a theory or truth?
Truth... Scar says how the military captured her in ep 40, and now she's got a baby. He doesn't go right out and say it, but it's kind of obvious when you piece things together, and then Ed's reaction just proves what's goin' on.
Scrumhalf
2004-07-24, 22:24
How old is rose?
I'll take a punt - 18.
Or possibly same age as Ed & Winry - 16.
full_metal_31
2004-07-24, 23:14
Can't agree more :)
This episode really rocked.
And
Martel's death really was beautifully done. Really moving :/
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i do agree that martel's death was beautifully done but sad to see someone getting killed.
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i do agree that martel's death was beautifully done but sad to see someone getting killed.
if that was sad.
then there are no words to describe Maes Hughes's Death
Cheesemon
2004-07-25, 05:32
lol, I wonder who got resurrected as an eyeball... that would feel bad :D
LOL, yeah I was just thinking the same thing too! Is ressurrecting an eyeball considered human transmutation or eyeball transmutation? Maybe Gluttony's tongue and Lust's cleavage are the real homonculi too? :twitch:
if that was sad.
then there are no words to describe Maes Hughes's Death
Phew, are we *finally* pass the point where we no longer have to put Hughes behind spoiler tags? :heh: I don't know, I still didn't feel Hughes death was *that* sad, and maybe Martel's death was more shocking than sad. Maybe it's just me, but anime death scenes are much sadder if they're drawn out with dramatic music and some final words from the dying. That's why the death that's affected me the most so far was Greed's. ;) Oh man, did he know how to steal the scene, down to the old school twitching. Someone give him an Oscar!
Shihbang
2004-07-25, 05:51
I haven't read the manga, but I'm curious why they had to include the deal with Roze being raped. Was she the only one? Where was she detained? Does it have some plot significance, or was it just meant to be dark and shocking?
The way FMA presents the military is not unfavorable - all the "bad" people are the bad guys, and everyone else seems to be a good guy, besides the Homonculus. I can't imagine any of Mustang's men doing something cruel like that, and as for General Hakuro, he has a family. I don't think he is desperate enough to stoop to raping prisoners. That's why I'm curious if this revelation about what happened to Roze has some sort of significance later.
How'd she lose her voice? Wouldn't she have to be injured somehow? Or did someone just alchemize her throat?
Scrumhalf
2004-07-25, 06:13
How'd she lose her voice? Wouldn't she have to be injured somehow? Or did someone just alchemize her throat?
Someone wisely mentioned 'oral rape' in one of the threads around here. :thinker: :thinker:
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jmaurice82
2006-01-21, 20:00
Ok im new here and i've just been reading the forums and there is one thing i don't agree with about the Ed vs Scar fight
I dont know how to do spoiler and i really dont see what its for since everyone already seen the episode and i just reflecting on the past so just in case SPOILER!!!!
We all know scar's arm is searching for souls because his arm is incomplete PS. So basically he only able to understand and break down materials skipping out on remaking it to something else.
When he fought with Ed..Ed transmuted his automail into other metals so he couldn't break it down. Someone said Ed finish the 3 steps which i dont buy at all.
Here are the plot holes of it...
When we first met scar he battled with ed and al. He went to attack Ed but Al stepped in and he used his attack on Al forearm. It only bruised Al arm (we see a dent) and Scar replies "That was a human attack that was not ment for you..that why you are only left with just a bruise" so clearly Scar attack still can damage substance without understanding it. So him not being able to destroy Eds arm because he transmuted it to other metals is crap. If he just increased his attack in thinking its a strong metal..he should be able to still damage his arm.
I would buy the "Ed finish the steps" technigue when Ed kick scar in the face and right before Scar could destroy his leg after holding it Ed transmuted his leg..but before the battle...when Ed transmuted his arm Scar never grabbed before he did that. It was clearly 2 seconds Ed arm was in Scar hand he could have read it and understand what it was and figure out his trick. In the other series Scar only needed a few seconds to read and understand things such as "Chimeras Cry" he knew what nina was by placing his hand on her forehead for a couple seconds.
So I see that as a plot hole really.
Astronopolis
2006-01-22, 20:56
just a thought, maybe he was transmuting one of the many metals that naturally occur in the human body, like iron or zinc? ;)
How'd she lose her voice? Wouldn't she have to be injured somehow? Or did someone just alchemize her throat?
it would be trauma that did that too her, being raped isnt a pleasent experience.
Mizu_Alchemist
2006-02-12, 19:42
are we on topic?
Al hides the kid in his armour and when Al k=looks at the Furher, he blows the kid to bits. The Furher is the Homonucolni, or however you spell it. i cant spell today. correct me if you want to fell the need to.
~Mizu_Alchemist
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