Planetes, A great series [Archive]

nubby

2003-11-06, 00:59

Lord Raiden

2003-11-06, 01:28

Refresh my memory. Which is the annoying one? Is that the clutz at the beginning of the episode? The one that keeps dropping things and is assigned to the junk reclaimation team?

I also am questioning the quality of this anime myself. Not sure if I'm gonna like it. On top of that, what's up with them using a 30 year old ship? Oh sure, our shuttles for the space program are closing on 20 years, but they look tons better than that beat up old rust bucket. It doesn't look space worthy one bit. I'm just waiting for it to fall aprt and become space junk itself.

Aquillion

2003-11-06, 01:42

What annoys me most isn't all this, but the fact that the show gets preachy and acts like it's showing us Deep Themes™ in every annoying episode without bothering to set up interesting enough characters or storylines to justify its (admittedly hallmark greeting-card level) messages. It's slice of life anime -- in space! And they're going to show us the simple, everyday truths of life by showing us ordinary, everyday people going about their everyday lives -- in space!

Engaging storytelling and interesting characters apparently aren't needed anymore. They just need to make them pedestrian and everyday, then we'll relate to them and be enriched. Especially if they set it in space!

...you know, I think I recognize this format before. The last two times it was with aliens! or with magic! instead of in space!, but the basic idea is still UGGG.

nubby

2003-11-06, 01:44

Yeah I think that's the one. The really really annoying girl with the short pink/red hair. The anime is suppose to take the realistic approach but nobody in the anime really cares about their own safety or anyone elses. I guess you can only like this anime if you're a space junkie wondering about the future of space.

Acespeedy

2003-11-06, 02:08

musouka

2003-11-06, 02:22

Hey if you dont like it DONT watch it. Save hard drive space and dont download it. I happen to like the goddamn series as well as the characters. I cant stand you people who preach about not liking the series and continue to watch it. Piss off already.

Thank you. If you hadn't said it, I would have.

Is the sole reason you people are watching this series to complain about it? Personally, I don't understand why everyone finds Tanabe so damn annoying that they feel they must harp on it every single time an episode comes out. If she really turns you off that much, then drop the show and spare us your preaching.

It's slice of life anime -- in space! And they're going to show us the simple, everyday truths of life by showing us ordinary, everyday people going about their everyday lives -- in space!

What? As opposed to the upteenth billionth robots--in space! Or whiny teenagers -- in space! Or, wait! How about another "wars are really bad" preach-fest -- in space!

Man, perish the thought that there be an anime series that focuses on realistic people -- in space! I guess the only thing to do about it is constantly complain about the very basis of the show!

Listen, if the show doesn't float your boat, that's fine. But, yeah, it's a show about ordinary people doing a somewhat mundane job. If you don't like it, again, then just do us all a favor and drop it already.

Acespeedy

2003-11-06, 02:30

Right on brother. Even though it doesn't have a plot it is still interesting to see how the MAIN characters interact and deal with certain problems. I kinda hope that Tanabe and Hachi get together. Anyways, whats so annoying about Tanabe??? So she has guts...which is more then what you probably have. Dont believe in moral values?? Well got a solution for you, again dont watch it as it wont make sense to you.

Acespeedy

2003-11-06, 02:39

Oh by the way...your talking about a 20 to 30 year old space ship in space.....Jesus H get a life. Its FAN..yes thats right FANTASY...meaning not real. Its also a animated representation of human beings.hmmmmm I think you people need to reflect on what real and whats not.

King_Kevin

2003-11-06, 03:25

i have to agree with the latter response...nobody is forcing you to dl anymore or watch anymore of this series episodes...

i like the way they protray human emotions...sure she might be annoying at times...but they way they did it sure makes it real life like attitude...

it's kinda like a drama series where you get to meet all sorts of people from nice people, ambitious people, annoying people, people who have dreams but are just lazy to make it come true, workers who suck up to their bosses...man you got everything in this show...

:P

GUTB_

2003-11-06, 03:45

I watched two episodes. I quit one third of the way through the 3rd ep. I just couldn't be bothered to sit still with only this anime to keep me occupied. It's so bad on such a fundimental level, it seems like it is blind to how bad it is -- it's that bad.

So I quit and never looked at another episode again.

Zoya

2003-11-06, 03:59

I'm in the group that is enjoying the series. Tanabe isn't so much annoying as she is naive. She is a young, idealistic woman surrounded by jaded "old hands," in what is considered the bottom rung of the space industry. I find the characters to be interesting because they seem like individuals, and come with realistic human foibles.

It is refreshing to see a show that IS slice of life, rather than the fantastical stories that are more common. I also think it is a nice change of pace to see a space show that doesn't fall back on the oft used "teenagers save the world omg" theme.

If you don't like it, why watch it? It's easy enough to just delete the episodes you haven't watched. Why be masochistic about it?

Zoya

nubby

2003-11-06, 04:05

What's up with the flaming? I'm/We're not forcing anyone to not watch the anime, I'm merely voicing my opinion on the anime along with other people just as you are. That's what a discussion forum is for isn't it? I don't see any "no criticizing an anime" rule so I'll criticize it if I want to. If you don't like it, DONT look/reply in my post! How's that?

Anyways, Tanabe is annoying because she's the kind of person who absolutely has to get her point across no matter what. She's nosey, never shuts up and is just annoying whenever she speaks. Heck even the main character, Hachimaki, would agree with me.

I'm still watching this because I usually give an anime 5 episodes to catch my interest and I'm not completely turned off by this one just yet. It's boring but I hope to see some funny episodes ahead. I found episode 1 to be pretty funny but I haven't seen anything funny since then. So if the anime has some more funny moments and the girl becomes less annoying, I actually might enjoy the anime a little bit more.

Acespeedy

2003-11-06, 04:28

What's up with the flaming? I'm/We're not forcing anyone to not watch the anime, I'm merely voicing my opinion on the anime along with other people just as you are. That's what a discussion forum is for isn't it? I don't see any "no criticizing an anime" rule so I'll criticize it if I want to. If you don't like it, DONT look/reply in my post! How's that?

Anyways, Tanabe is annoying because she's the kind of person who absolutely has to get her point across no matter what. She's nosey, never shuts up and is just annoying whenever she speaks. Heck even the main character, Hachimaki, would agree with me.

Your right it is a discussion forum and I apologize but still it seems to me you dont particularily like the anime at hand, and I dont find that particular character annoying as you seem to portray.Wow she speaks her mind, which might be annoying to you...what female isnt. And no, watch the end of episode four and I DONT think Hachimaki would agree anymore.

Acespeedy

2003-11-06, 04:40

*EDITED* Damn I gotta sit through another 2 episode because I downloaded them in a batch. Gonna annoy myself to death!

Ummm oh yah and you just proved our point that we were trying to get across.

Tboz

2003-11-06, 05:12

I enjoy it too... The ordinary bit is actually why I watch it.

Its quite interesting to see how the "irritating" newcomer will actually influence others with her ideas and her passion for life. The part in ep 3 where Tanabe threatened to throw the space coffin into Earth's atmosphere really touched me. Though she can be noisy annoying, she is an adequate catalyst for the show. :D

Granted the show has ordinary people doing mundane job, but I haven't really taken time off to look at life and the people around me closely either. This show did made an emphasis and gave me a look at things in different perspective. Its pretty amusing and thought-provoking, at least to me. :heh:

NoSanninWa

2003-11-06, 05:30

I enjoy it too... The ordinary bit is actually why I watch it.

Its quite interesting to see how the "irritating" newcomer will actually influence others with her ideas and her passion for life. The part in ep 3 where Tanabe threatened to throw the space coffin into Earth's atmosphere really touched me. Though she can be noisy annoying, she is an adequate catalyst for the show. :D
I really liked that part also. At first when she went ballistic I was like, "Oh god! Here she goes again with an irrational emotional outburst." Then she started to explain herself. When she talked about how incredible that the coffin would have come back to earth (and what it should mean) she actually had me taking her seriously. A miracle shouldn't be taken lightly. Even though it could have been happenstance, I still have to say, "Wow" when something like that happens.

zzzz

2003-11-06, 05:34

PlanetES is the best new anime for me!

anyway, tanabe was pretty quiet in ep 4

durrem

2003-11-06, 06:23

I'd have to say that Planetes is my favorite new series of the season (although I also like BPS, which a lot of people seem to hate). In the 4th episode, I wanted to do what Tanabe did for the entire episode. Very satisfying.

King_Kevin

2003-11-06, 06:42

What were they thinking when they decided to put that annoying ass girl, Tanabe, in the anime?!

well but you started to complain about her. oki that's fair enough, but without her in this series then there wouldn't be any point creating this anime. it would just be plain boring and uneventful.

she's just new to the working world. she just doesn't know how the real world works outside her own principles.

she is just naive as someone said, and those sort of people exist in real life as well. i think it makes us realise and stop to think about the people around us as well.

i hope you don't kill yourself as you continue with this series and she continues on with her annoying habit of her rightenousness....heheheheheh

cheers...

gmackenz

2003-11-06, 06:59

I too am looking more and more forward to each new episode of the series...I really don't understand how people can be getting upset at the rookie Tanabe character. She is supposed to shake things up by trying to show what exciting and amazing thing it is to be off our world. I think she's one of the best characters and the I love that we are learning that evidently none of the other main characters are just what they appear to be on the surface (especially Hachimaki who apparently is quite the space-dreamer himself under the defensive rough cool exterior).

I also enjoy a show that isn't teenagers save the world or boy gets 100s of women to embarrass/chase him/live with him/mother him/be servile and clean after him. Boy, the nature of much of the anime coming out of Japan speaks *LOADS* about the strained social dynamics that must be going on between the sexes (of course, watching the shows from here in the US will certainly speak about the problems an oversexualized and undereducated society we have, I mean Governor Arnold of CA? A porn star as a runner-up in the top 10 or so? Sheesh what a disaster!)

Another great thing about this show is the examination of the omnipresent/ultrapervasive corporate culture, especially from the view of the "janitorial" staff who are treated like a hindrence by the rest of the company and yet are most important part as evidently no company can do business in space on this show (makes me think of Wal-Mart which knowingly employed thousands of illegal alien workers for cleaning after hours at most of their stores, treating them like garbage, yet none of us in the US would shop in an unclean store...That's it, the next anime hit WalMartES!).

Tboz

2003-11-06, 08:01

I really liked that part also. At first when she went ballistic I was like, "Oh god! Here she goes again with an irrational emotional outburst." Then she started to explain herself. When she talked about how incredible that the coffin would have come back to earth (and what it should mean) she actually had me taking her seriously. A miracle shouldn't be taken lightly. Even though it could have been happenstance, I still have to say, "Wow" when something like that happens. I was very touched... :upset:

Anyway, just realized ep 4 is out... its download time... :D

Another great thing about this show is the examination of the omnipresent/ultrapervasive corporate culture, especially from the view of the "janitorial" staff who are treated like a hindrence by the rest of the company and yet are most important part as evidently no company can do business in space on this show. Agreed. If anyone reads Weis's Dungeons and Dragons series, you will know that the smallest things can make the biggest difference(think Tas). Right here, our smallest things are the space trash? :p :heh:

Danny Boy

2003-11-06, 10:04

Well, I think Tanabe is too annoying. Especially in episode three when she tried to comandeer the junk thay they're supposed to throw away.

But I don't that's enough to say that the series sucks. I think the characters are offbeat and quirky yet I can identify myself with their situations and feelings, and the stories very engaging, though mundane. I'm not the first to see the resemblance with Patlabor, one of my favorite anime shows.

Wish Tanabe wouldn't be so annoying and naive, but I'm still loving the series nonetheless. Mabye she'll grow up, while at the same time rub off her enthusiasm with "diaper boy."

musouka

2003-11-06, 11:08

cf18

2003-11-06, 12:34

I like it too, one of the few shows this season that has potential to become a classic. The first few episodes are no where as cool and dramatic as the manga vol1 though. I guess they are saving the best stuff for later episode.

Sakaki-

2003-11-06, 14:18

What were they thinking when they decided to put that annoying ass girl, Tanabe, in the anime?! OMG I can't stand her! The girl is so damn annoying, I wish someone would just cut her cord and let her float off into outer space or fry in the atmosphere! The first episode was pretty funny and I thought it had potential but after episode 1, it was BORING and just plain ANNOYING!

*EDITED* Damn I gotta sit through another 2 episode because I downloaded them in a batch. Gonna annoy myself to death!

If you dont like it don't watch it :confused:
Tanabe is actually cool, her characters is awesome. :love:
The quality of this anime is very high imho, Sunrise at it's finest.
I like this anime, Cause its a wonderful experience every episode.
I have a appreciation of the beauty that this series presents to me, And every minute is full of moments, Where you can just sit back an experience what happends and feel satisfied.
This is a brilliant anime, That i can recomend to everyone out there.
Dosen't matter what age you are, You can enjoy it just as much.

To those of you who have not seen it yet.
It is the year 2075.
In a world where travelling in space has become a everyday thing.
Its about Tanabe a teenage girl, Who has received a jobb as a astronaut in the debri section.
"Debris section collects space debris, Cause Space debris is a serious matter and can cause serious accident's if they colide with a space ship."
Its about her work colleague's and the space station, That she and her friends left earth to work on.
This anime presents many morale questions, And questions about life etc.
And it's also about people working hard to achieve their dream's.

Take Care
Sakaki-

tsurumaru

2003-11-06, 22:16

Well, I think this anime makes a refreshing change from the non stop action/horror series that seem to dominate the scene and am really enjoying it at the moment.
It's interesting (and also a little amusing) to see life in space being portrayed so realistically (No sound in space, low gravity working environments etc).
The anime also does touch some very thoughtful subject matter too, and the characters are a diverse bunch yet to be played out. As this is a 26 episode series I'm sure we'll see some good character development along the way. I quite enjoy Tanabe's diatribe's she may be slightly naive, but her heart is in the right place, the perfect rookie :).
Its highly plausible that mankind's eventual steps into further development in space will be driven by large corporations who may look to monopolise the natural resources available on other worlds or the asteroid belt, and there is even the possibility of a leisure travel market's existence.
The multi-nationals alone, apart from the very richest nations will have the resources and capital available to drive such efforts but how quickly will we see such advancements? Simplifying things I think this comes down to two main points:

- When will it become economically viable for such companies? (and this itself will be dependant on technological advancements)

- Is there a demand for such development?

Being that we live on a world with finite resources and constant technological discoveries you can expect that someday (sooner rather than later, at our current rate) there will be considerably more interest in space exploration than there is today. :)

Thats why I think I enjoy watching this series so much, its set not too far ahead in the future and it shows a believable world with "real life" characters performing a normal but essential job. This makes it a lot easier to empathise with the characters lives and actions IMHO.

Anyhow, rather like the show itself I'm gonna wrap my thoughts up here in a nice mellow fashion............ ;)

chibikit

2003-11-06, 22:29

I kind of identify with Tanabe, actually. She's the idealist in a world where pragmatism takes precedence. I understand why she always goes ballistic when Hachimaki (or other people, for that matter) do things that go against her principles - she doesn't want to believe that the world can be that cruel, and really honestly believes that everyone can be better if they just try. More than that, she actually takes action once in a while (with the whole Ibn Fadlan thing, which was a really beautiful story, if I may say so). Sure, people like her can be annoying sometimes, but it's really refreshing to look at an environment as dangerous as space (and life) through eyes like hers.

Regardless of how 'realistic' you think it is, PlanetES is simply a story about the characters in it and just goes to show that humanity doesn't really change all that much, even if our technology makes incredible leaps and bounds. The technology, the plausibility, the realism of how dangerous space is; that's all just to serve as the story's backdrop - it doesn't matter. You could put the entire Half Division in the ocean depths a la The Abyss, or on an oil rig somewhere and it'll still work (though admittedly not as effectively in the latter case). That's the whole thrust of it, right there, and I think it should be watched with that in mind.

Thanks for listening to the 2 cents of a newcomer to the forum. ^_^

brightman

2003-11-06, 22:53

Its about Tanabe a teenage girl, Who has received a jobb as a astronaut in the debri section.
Tanabe is 20 years old... So she's not really a teenageer anymore...

Amok

2003-11-07, 02:50

Not everyone will like the same thing, not everyone views anime the exact same way... that's why we should be grateful that there is so much variety to choose from. I just so happen to enjoy Planetes, yet I didn't even make it through the first episode of Cromartie High before I deleted it.

Heck, I even like Avenger. /ducks

Sakaki-

2003-11-07, 05:24

Tanabe is 20 years old... So she's not really a teenageer anymore...
lol dont be picky im 20 and still feel like a teenageer ;)

Btw "Braces for impact" I like Avenger to xD

Keitaro

2003-11-07, 05:47

Anax

2003-11-07, 11:16

Another fan of the series here--it doesn't have a huge plot, and if they can add one, I'll be somewhat surprised (although I think it's possible)--but it does have a lot of heart. It also reminds me of Patlabor somewhat, as far as drama-and-characterization-over-plot goes. Hmm. Let's see. The big reason I like this, I think, is that it's not just another SF series with the same old themes, but rather a drama series with a fairly hard SF setting. (Hard SF? Yes--we actually see space described in fairly realistic ways, although the fine points of orbital mechanics are hand-waved away.) It's the hard SF aspect that really pulled me in, though, like the British SF series Star Cops, which is basically a cop show with a hard SF setting, most of the action occuring in the Earth-Moon system, and many of the episodes focusing on action that is actually impacted by the realities of space.

Anyway, have to see where things go. A relaxed series, but a very good different thing to see.

Oh, and finally: It's not "PlanetES", it's "planetes", which is an old Greek word meaning "wanderers" (as you can see during the eyecatch). This gave us our modern word "planets"--it was originally attached to the planets as being stars that wandered, unlike the majority which were "fixed" in the heavens.

Sakaki-

2003-11-07, 12:10

I find Planet ES pretty boring even though I know this one of those slice of life animes, but I always download the next episode when it comes out on bt. Maybe i download it cus i already started watching it who knows.

Oh yeah i happened to like Avenger also, Prolly because Layla Ashley really interest me. Me thinks she really an kick ass chick. :love:

Well thats maybe cause the reason i say "It's a Experience watching it."
And the doll interests me more then Layla in Avenger and the music is great :>
Not to forget the music in PlanetES who is nice to :>

Tboz

2003-11-07, 12:13

But I don't that's enough to say that the series sucks. I think the characters are offbeat and quirky yet I can identify myself with their situations and feelings, and the stories very engaging, though mundane. I'm not the first to see the resemblance with Patlabor, one of my favorite anime shows. Yup, it resembles YUA too... :D

Shii

2003-11-07, 14:50

Lord Raiden

2003-11-07, 15:59

Acespeedy

2003-11-07, 19:23

Well, as of today, I have officially dropped this series. Saw the first three episodes and it just didn't seem to go much of anywhere or take off or anything. It was kind of neat to watch for the sci-fi element, but that died perty quickly as well which left you with nothing really interesting to keep your attention. Bummer too, cause it could have been a neat anime.

Bummer too because it still may be a neat anime later on. Watch three eps and say whoop thats it, give it a chance. But if it still doesn't float your boat then ok, fine I do this sometimes too I suppose.

PocariSweat

2003-11-07, 20:45

I usually follow a "three episode rule", never judge by a first episode - they're often deceptive. Maybe because they have to spend so much time just laying out the basic premise. However if I still hate it by #3, then it's on to greener Anime pastures. Maybe I'll miss a show that's slow out of the gate, but with so many series out now, sacrifices have to be made! :)

That being said - so far I like Planetes! I'll agree though Tanabe could sometimes use a good ol' slap upside the head though :heh: Still blind idealism is the birthright of every newbie! :) I do kind of wonder if the show will always rescue her from her moral rants (where she always winds up in the right) or if it'll have the courage have her be tragically wrong at some point?

Aquillion

2003-11-07, 23:58

Well, I guess it takes all types--perhaps I have a low tolerance for annoying characters. On the other hand, to those of you who said you liked Avenger: You are history's greatest monsters!

(Actually, I watch it, too, and I suppose I sort of like it. Layla is boooring with her I'm-so-baddass-I-don't-have-to-have-a-character shtick, and Speedy is a generic postmodern RPG hero; also the setting is contrived and the plot is patched together out of numerous random sci-fi sources to allow as much random, pointless fighting as possible. But for some reason I don't mind, so I have no right to criticize PlanetES.)

bwaugh

2003-11-08, 00:35

Poor Tanabe. No one seems to like her character much. But I must say she's the image of my ideal woman. Righteous anger, I love it.

This is my favorite new series, for many of the same reasons mentioned by others---it's a refreshing break from the robots, magicians, ninjas and world-saving teens. I just hope that the rest of the episodes won't be as theme-oriented as episode three...you know, where they talk about a particular theme throughout the first half of the show, and then in the second half they stumble upon something that comments perfectly on what the first half was all about. For me, that really dampens the reality of the series.

And I hope the series develops some sort of story arc. Not just a romance, but something more active that would give viewers more reason to tune in to the next show.

Well, must get back to downloading episode four.

u&t

2003-11-08, 10:10

you who said you liked Avenger: You are history's greatest monsters!

Layla is boooring with her I'm-so-baddass-I-don't-have-to-have-a-character shtick

Yup, Avenger sure is garbage.

I belive Layla has reasons for behaving like she does there is manga precluding the anime that gives alot more background on the characters. I'm sure we'll see some character backround episodes in the future fleshing out Layla, Yuri and the rest.

Anyway the fact that the rest of the crew (a bunch of desillusioned(sp?) loosers) gets faced with with this totally naive idealistic optimist is whats drawing me into this show. That and the fact that the show also can be interpreted as just a big heap of left-wing anti globalist propaganda. If this is going to be Tanabe vs the system I'm cheering for Tanabe all the way.

NenMaster

2003-11-08, 10:21

dumping this shit as well. u forget it s 2075 or what ever, dont u think the youngsters in that era would be more inteligent?

did u see ep 3, shes a god damn hipacrite

cf18

2003-11-08, 12:22

dumping this shit as well. u forget it s 2075 or what ever, dont u think the youngsters in that era would be more inteligent?

did u see ep 3, shes a god damn hipacrite

Actually kids are getting more stupid these days. Some of them can't even use the shift key... :fingers:

NenMaster

2003-11-08, 15:40

lol, but compared 2 us now they should be more inteligent

DoNt YoU ThInK?

Tboz

2003-11-08, 15:47

dumping this shit as well. u forget it s 2075 or what ever, dont u think the youngsters in that era would be more inteligent?

did u see ep 3, shes a god damn hipacrite you are talking about planetes? :confused:

can elaborate about the hypocrite part?

Sakaki-

2003-11-08, 16:08

dumping this <profanity removed> as well. u forget it s 2075 or what ever, dont u think the youngsters in that era would be more inteligent?

did u see ep 3, shes a god damn hipacrite

Hypocrit ?
Did you actually pay attention to the anime, If you did then elaborate.
More intelligent in the future ?
Comeon we are not much clever then our Great great grand fathers. ;)

NenMaster

2003-11-08, 17:18

She said make a will so that your family will know your wishes are etc and she when on <...> about it.
Then when they find a space coffin she disregarded what the guy said in his will.

Need more?

Edit by Mod (xris): colourful language removed

musouka

2003-11-08, 18:28

No, it was more like she was saying "Death is a serious matter. Leave something to comfort those you leave behind and don't be so selfish." That's why she was having so much trouble writing her will. She wanted to leave something more to her family, not say "follow my instructions to the letter, dammit".

Also, I really don't know what the big stink about her actions in episode 3 is about. Before the board got reset, you heard people complaining that they didn't follow the dead man's wishes...

Well, I've got some pretty shocking news for you, but he's DEAD. He doesn't want anything at the moment, he's just a corpse in a tube. And, hell, if bringing the body back to earth helps the person that's LIVING (his daughter) deal with his death better, then I say go for it. It's obvious that she had regrets about his death, and that maybe having his remains be with her would be a source of comfort. So what's wrong with that? It's not like he's going to magically wake up and get all pissed off about, so I'm afraid I can't see the harm in Tanabe trying to make someone feel a little better about a painful moment in their life.

PocariSweat

2003-11-08, 18:44

Tboz

2003-11-08, 18:52

She said make a will so that your family will know your wishes are etc and she when on like a <bee-ep> about it.
Then when they find a space coffin she disregarded what the guy said in his will.

Need more?Did she said that? :confused:

From the subs. She said "I thought that you're supposed to put word of thanks or farewell messages to your parents and friends in your will..."

And in the warehouse she said "I need to think about what I can leave to my family and friends..."

She never said anything about wishes... :)

PocariSweat

2003-11-08, 19:25

From the subs. She said "I thought that you're supposed to put word of thanks or farewell messages to your parents and friends in your will..."
And in the warehouse she said "I need to think about what I can leave to my family and friends..."

Yes, she seems to not have a good idea about what a will is for. A will is a legal document - she seemed to be thinking more along the lines of a suicide note :heh:

musouka

2003-11-08, 19:29

Well, she made it clear she thought the guy floated back to Earth of his own accord - dead or not. That's the whole reason she was so insistent about not sending him packing again. She thought he had changed his mummified "mind" and wanted to return. So it was for *his* sake and not his daughter's.

You could look at it that way.

Or, what I got out of it was that the daughter had doubts about how much he really cared about her and her mother. She even mentioned that his will contained nothing about the two of them. This is what Tanabe was thinking about earlier in the episode, and I think that's partially what set her off.

Using the "miracle" of him coming back from deep space, she argued that, in fact, he really HAD loved her and her mother, and wanted to be with them. Otherwise our dear mummy in a tube would still be out there floating. She wasn't saying this for the benefit of the mummy. She was telling the daughter "Hey, your dad loved you and wanted to come back to you. That's why he's here."

And that made the daughter feel better. That's why I think Tanabe was so insistant upon the space-mummy going home, otherwise she would have taken action before talking to the daughter.

PocariSweat

2003-11-08, 20:03

You could look at it that way.
That's why I think Tanabe was so insistant upon the space-mummy going home, otherwise she would have taken action before talking to the daughter.

Heh, I think that's just how long it took to percolate through her noggin. I propose this mental transcript (now in XML!)

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>
<TanabesBrain>
<THOUGHT>His return was a "miracle"</THOUGHT>
<THOUGHT>His daugher felt neglected by him</THOUGHT>
<CONCLUSION>He wanted to return to his daughter!</CONCLUSION>
<ACTION style="rash">Steal Coffin now!!!!</ACTION>
</TanabesBrain>

NenMaster

2003-11-08, 21:55

hahaha, he wanted something doing in his will and she ignored it by saying it was a miracle that he came back. so forget the will and bury him on earth

Lanthis

2003-11-08, 23:52

If its not Gundam, DBZ, or Naruto, or does not have fighting, it MUST suck, duh.

zzzz

2003-11-09, 01:28

er, hachimaki and russian guy said it was a miracle since the beginning of ep3.

microlith

2003-11-09, 01:39

I think what disappoints people is that it's not full of whiz-bang action.

I think they're also put off by the lack of one constant storyline. I don't remember how that affected people's perception of Someday's Dreamers (Mahou-tsukai ni taisetsu na koto), and I'm sure such an opinion would have damaged people's perception of Cowboy Bebop!

Personally I like stories like Planetes. They have a rock solid setting, and tell stories within it. The creators (and original manga artist) take no liberties with it being fiction and keep the science aspect "hard," making Planetes as close to true scifi as you can get.

And personally I like all the characters, if a few are a bit over the top at times. Tanabe is still a bit green to the "real world," and Hachimaki seems to have been stomped on by it (but learns to mostly get over it.)

I must say, I thought episode 4 was great. I think by the end everyone including myself was hating the punk kid that was stuck to them. I think anyone who liked the show probably cheered for Tanabe at the end.

So I say:

If you don't like it, don't watch. I don't expect any more than what I've seen but I certainly like it a lot.

musouka

2003-11-09, 01:50

hahaha, he wanted something doing in his will and she ignored it by saying it was a miracle that he came back. so forget the will and bury him on earth

Yes, but the point was that it wasn't hypocritical of her to do so, since she made it perfectly clear that she though wills should be more about the survivors, and not about the people that had died's wants. I don't understand why you have such difficulty grasping this concept.

I must say, I thought episode 4 was great. I think by the end everyone including myself was hating the punk kid that was stuck to them. I think anyone who liked the show probably cheered for Tanabe at the end.

Yeah, I've liked Tanabe since the beginning--I find her more amusing than annoying--but that episode just solidified it in my mind. Sure she has some growing up to do, and, yeah, she can be loud, but at least her heart is always in the right place.

Four was a pretty typical type of story (aka "The Asshole Rich Kid Gets Taught a Lesson") but that doesn't make the ending any less satistfying.

Anax

2003-11-09, 03:06

Thinking about it, Tanabe reminds me a *lot* of Izumi Noa in Patlabor. She's the new kid, she's kind of naive, but she has a lot of heart. In Πλανετεσ, Tanabe is humanity contrasted with the harsh realities of space. From compassion to irrationality even to the urge to *be* in space.

Anyway, this is certainly not the first time that naive newcomer joins team of misfits has been done. And, well, it's been done well before, too. We'll just have to see where this one goes. The danger is that I'm not sure there's much of a possibility of conflict in this series--but, well, I liked Someday's Dreamers well enough even though it was lacking that as well. (I'd really like to see it developed further, though... So many unanswered questions.)

But Πλανετεσ is good, like Someday's Dreamers, for what it's not: it's not a fighting show, it's not a harem show, it's not a moody conspiracy show, and it's not a "So Crazy It's Undefinable!" show. In short, it's *not* just another version of what's currently very popular. (And yes, I do like some of those kinds of shows as well.)

How can it not be good to see people trying to tell a story in a different way?

Tboz

2003-11-09, 03:18

So I say:

If you don't like it, don't watch. I don't expect any more than what I've seen but I certainly like it a lot. Yea, its similar to Evangelion, some people trash it, and some people love it. Some shows are just targeted at specific audience, they can't possibly please everybody and still retain the essence of what they were trying to convey.

Heck, this thread might not have existed if there were none of the thrashing to begin with. :heh:

Yes, but the point was that it wasn't hypocritical of her to do so, since she made it perfectly clear that she though wills should be more about the survivors, and not about the people that had died's wants. I don't understand why you have such difficulty grasping this concept. Exactly. :)

pegleg8607

2003-11-09, 03:38

yushiro

2003-11-09, 05:55

@pegleg8607
You should do a little more research before posting such stuff. Guess who's coming on board in vol 2 of the manga. Tanabe. "Shock!" So much for the "dumb" character added to the anime to make it more interesting. ;)

No, you have to face the fact the she is going to stay and that she will be crucial to the storyline. I have read the manga up to vol 3 now, but i won't give away any spoilers.

Anyway, Planetes is going to rate very high up on my favourite list.

musouka

2003-11-09, 06:07

She probably only was interested in having the father buried on earth cause she has abandonment issues of her own stemming from some sort of childhood tragedy. jeeze, way to force your issues on other people. blaugh.

Huh?

Seriously, how on earth could you get all that from the episode? She said nothing about a tragic past. There was no such thing even HINTED once in the entire episode.

She has very strong feelings, and has a tendency to vocalize them in a rather loud manner. I can understand why people might dislike a character like that, even though I find her hilarious and likeable.

However, making up stuff as an excuse to dislike her just comes across as stupid. You started out expressing your dislike for her on her actual personality. Okay, that's fine. But bringing in this "Ohhh, she probably had a tragic past and is forcing her ideals upon others because of it" is reeeally stretching things.

NenMaster

2003-11-09, 12:12

:) ok as u say

cf18

2003-11-09, 12:31

The only characters I dislike are the two boss. So far they only provide some comedic moments that are not really funny. Fee is probably the one actually running the department.

Kempis Curious

2003-11-13, 01:58

I almost missed this series until I read the beginning of this thread.

I'm glad I downloaded it so far. Ep 3 was really a defining episode, Tanabe realized that the sending the coffin back into deep space would have been regretted after its miraculous return. The others in the crew had only their jobs on their minds... and while its laudable to act professional in whatever job you have, there's absolutely more to life than that.

Well done! This anime got me thinking, which is mighty important.

Otherwise, I can't shake the feeling that it's taking a lot from Patlabor, though there's a lot of differences. Also, most of the humorous situations have fallen flat so far. The setting is mighty interesting, though.

Let's hear it for good mecha! ^_^

-k

Tboz

2003-11-13, 06:31

Yeah, those two are really wimpy and I don't like them at all. But the depiction in ep 4 is somehow true in how older working adults are afraid to loose their job.

Experienced workers are often the target of any retrenchment plans as they are usually holding the most salary and not neccessary doing the most work. Young and energetic workers are prefered as they are usually more creative and can think out of the box.

And as you know, when people get older, its more difficult for them to learn new and be open to new stuff. Unfortunately, they have no choice as they are usually the bread winner of the family. That's why people are learning new skills to make themselves useful at their job. Even if they loose it, the skills they learn can help them in getting a new job. Sigh... :(

Vulkar

2003-11-13, 15:11

I liked this show. It's definitely one of my favorites of the ones that came out recently. It's funny and tells simple little stories which are Entertaining. That's good enough for me. It also has lots of fun quirky characters.

Anyway. defining moment that I knew this anime rocked was the second episode with the dance for the lottery. Very funny.

Briareos

2003-11-13, 15:43

Listen, Planetes is an awesome show. but i have to say that i really, really, really hate Tanabe. She's a stupid, loud-mouth, pesky, righteous, dumb broad with activism in her blood. She likes to preach to people about all these things that she just learned about and they've had to deal with.
She probably only was interested in having the father buried on earth cause she has abandonment issues of her own stemming from some sort of childhood tragedy. jeeze, way to force your issues on other people. blaugh. makes me sick. the manga is wicked awesome but they added this dumb character to the series to make it "more interesting" but the manga was deep on its own without adding a stupid, righteous, preachy character. i say Planetes rules but Tanabe needs to burn. FOREVER!!!! or maybe just for like a week or something.
Uh, watch your sexism there, mister. :innocent: :D I'm an annoying person who preaches that we should be respectful to others and not insult them about a trait handed to them at birth. Eh, call me an idealist and burn me too. ;)

One of the things I like about this anime is that they went for realism in many ways. In real life, you have young, idealistic people who think they know everything. Tanabe is that person in this situation. She's not perfect, but people (even our heros) IRL aren't.

One of the great things about Patlabor is that the characters seem real. They have quirks and flaws, and there is no central "hero" in the traditional sense. Everybody is just doing their job to the best of their ability and learning to deal with the others around them through tolerance. Planetes seems to be taking a similar approach. People like Tanabe aren't usually humbled into an understanding that life isn't as 'black and white' as it may seem -- in our youth -- in a single event. People change over time if they're going to change at all. That's reality as I see it.

Hao Asakura

2003-11-13, 22:08

A-E has released the Planetes ep5 alone. Does that mean L-E has dropped the project and it becomes A-E project alone now????

Tofusensei

2003-11-13, 22:13

Not at all actually.

One member of L-E quit due to some creative differences and he doesn't want L-E's name to be on the project any more, but he wants to continue with it. The same exact people are working on the show as before except it's only going to be called "A-E". So nothing else has changed.

-Tofu

Hao Asakura

2003-11-13, 22:18

Breogan

2003-11-14, 11:22

I'm liking it a lot so far. Not my fav. anime of this season but it's defnitely worth watching :)
Anyone knows how many volumes of the manga are out?

I think I spoted what seems to be a nice engrish (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/141103-Planetes05_00-02-42.jpg) from the show creators in ep 5 too (similar to the Pubric Corporation in Stellvia), although I saw it in the subs too during the episode (that's why I'm not sure).

u&t

2003-11-14, 11:42

I think I spoted what seems to be a nice engrish (http://server3.uploadit.org/files/141103-Planetes05_00-02-42.jpg) from the show creators in ep 5 too (similar to the Pubric Corporation in Stellvia), although I saw it in the subs too during the episode (that's why I'm not sure).

Sure looks engrish to mee but am I the only one wondering why they had to fly to the moon in in a giant cellphone? It even has an antenna and everything!

Xiandu

2003-11-14, 12:20

Yeah lol i thought that was a cell phone too. i was like what the hell??!! rofl

NenMaster

2003-11-14, 12:45

got ep 5 and this will be the ep that will either dump this shit or follow on :P

Kempis Curious

2003-11-14, 16:03

Sure looks engrish to mee but am I the only one wondering why they had to fly to the moon in in a giant cellphone? It even has an antenna and everything!

Yeah, that was really distracting to me too. :(

This wasn't my favorite ep,

The family suicide idea was uncomfortable and unrealistic, ditto the hostage taking and the "we were only filming a movie!". The indirect way they described the porn shoot was classy, though. :)

-k

(inc)

2003-11-14, 17:29

Yeah, that was really distracting to me too. :(
I've prefered ANBU's subs to AonE/L-E's for this series.

With its shades of the beginning of Magnetic Rose, I've enjoyed it so far, though ep 5 was my least favorite as the drama seemed a bit contrived. Did like the Vulcan/Romulan *ears* though...

And Diaper Boy can be every bit as annoying as Diaper Girl ... but then they're supposed to be, lol

(inc)

Tboz

2003-11-15, 03:08

True, this episode didn't make as much as an impact as the previous ones. But I like the confrontation between the parents and the pickpocket. What they argued about was so very true, at least for me. It leaves me with a bitter-sweet feeling. Everything is just so carefree and optimistic when we were young, the same can't be said once we have grown up. Well, maybe I just didn't tried hard enough. :heh:

CompShrink

2003-11-22, 02:36

Well, I don't want to bring back the flames, but this is an example of one common hypocracy I hate. It's fine for people to cricise something, in fact, that's often "cool" to say how much somethign sucks. But then criticise the critise, no way! That's not allowed! If you can say it sucks, then I can say it rocks. People need to be a little more controled about it. Well, this thread's not too abd about it.

Anyway, that said, this is an above par, but not amazingly great, series imho. The people are mundane, and a while ago I started liking that. Flashy and exagerated are fine and good sometimes, but it's nice for a change. Yes, space is a common thing, but so is "in present times" or "in mideavil times" so don't blame it because it's in space. I had thought slightly about space garbage before, but never that seriously. It's true, it is adding up, and what will we do about it? This seems a logical path that may be slightly accurate.

A mildly enjoyable show.

Lina

2003-11-22, 03:37

GATX207_Blitz

2003-11-22, 04:55

alright planetes is a good anime I am used to watching things like blue gender, gundam, avenger and other futuristic space action animes that lack possibility, but I really like watching planetes because of what it is and because there aren't too man out there that are like it.

Tanabe will help the others who have been in space for a long time to realize that caring about small things, that have grown unimportant over the course of repetition, matter because if you stop caring about things like that you'll become less human and that maybe kind of annoying to some because people these days just don't have the time or at least don't think they have the time to care about stuff like that. there are my two cents.

cbm5

2003-11-23, 15:16

For me, I only watched up until the 2nd episode. I liked the first one, it was kinda funny, but the second episode seemed like an entirely different show. And since I do not have that much time to give all animes on suki.com a chance, I stopped watching.

But to all who continue to watch, I'm glad you enjoy it.

I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't like this show. The reason to like it is the complete departure from what you normally get in anime...in fact, they go ahead and make fun of anime stereotypes.

Episode Six, for example...I'll try not to spoil it, but it was one of the funniest things I've seen in anime for a long time. Totally creative, and even funnier since most of us would act like ninjas given the opportunity to live in the Moon's gravity. Absolutely hilarious and I'll keep watching this show as long as it runs.

Check out episode 6 and then maybe you'll be tempted to follow the series again.

SECRET ULTIMATE TECHNIQUE! ROLLING BIG BALL! heh

cbm5

2003-11-23, 15:18

The "attack of the insurance agents" episode was good for a lot of laughs, too. Just sayin... ;-)

u&t

2003-11-23, 17:33

cbm5

2003-11-23, 18:03

Yup, the attack of the Naruto fanboys in ep 6 was pretty hillarious. Also, now when Tanabe fires off one of her obligatory speeches I feel a lot more like "go girl!" than "shut up bitch!". Ha, I'm really beggining to like her I guess.

Well, they also kind of made fun of that too, basically showing her jumping in and winding up into Maximum Tanabe Attack-Rant Mode, then letting her be background noise while focusing on the daring/stupid/hilarious/awesome Ninja Rescue at the end.

I guessing 7 is going to be one of the "serious crisis or discussion of defining concepts of humanity" episodes though, since they appear to alternate....

u&t

2003-11-23, 19:13

I guessing 7 is going to be one of the "serious crisis or discussion of defining concepts of humanity" episodes though, since they appear to alternate....

Probably. But this episode had quite a bit of of social critisism in it. The "executives living at the top and working ppl at the bottom" piece and the fact the the ninja squad were just working guys screwed over hard by some v.c. I'm really surprised this show hasn't been flamed for being socialist propaganda yet.

Oh, and I absolutely love some of the vehicle designs in this show. Last ep it was the giant flying cellphone and in this it was the giant red firetruck.

Knuckles

2003-11-23, 22:23

I think what disappoints people is that it's not full of whiz-bang action.

I think they're also put off by the lack of one constant storyline. I don't remember how that affected people's perception of Someday's Dreamers (Mahou-tsukai ni taisetsu na koto), and I'm sure such an opinion would have damaged people's perception of Cowboy Bebop!

Personally I like stories like Planetes. They have a rock solid setting, and tell stories within it. The creators (and original manga artist) take no liberties with it being fiction and keep the science aspect "hard," making Planetes as close to true scifi as you can get.

I agree. Just because this is a sci-fi does not mean that it is a action or mecha show.
And I personally did not like the first episode, maybe because I was expecting
something totaly different, but I think they are getting better and better (seen 6 ep).

So from what I have seen of the show I think it is more likely that people who like
Rumic Theater will enjoy the show, then people who like, lets say, Gundam.
And if you like both, like me, than I think you should check it out.

Hao Asakura

2003-11-24, 02:41

Yup, the attack of the Naruto fanboys in ep 6 was pretty hillarious.

Yeah... I like it too. Seeing them doing so many Ninpo jutsu is just priceless. Also, Tanabe is not annoying at all in this episode :heh:

LiQuid|J

2003-11-24, 06:00

This show has been slowly but surely growing on me. I agree with the positive sentiments on episode 6. I thought it was particularily hillarious. But in general I'm starting to get more and more attached to the characters and the episodic nature of the show. I still think Tanabe is a little too lippy, but the show's feel good nature and contrasting main characters make it something I really am starting to look forward to seeing every week.

Keitaro

2003-11-24, 06:04

Its getting better, ep6 was so hilarious. LOL Ninjas in space. Im also looking forward to future eps. Im curious to see if that guy ever gets his own spaceship, so I will keep on watching.

koki_2706

2003-11-24, 06:41

After watching episode 6, I think that this must be the most hilarious episode of all. Well, the presence of the 'naruto fanboys' and their outrageous rescue attempt had me laughing in stitches...

Seriously, I think that Episode 5 was the turning point of the series, with less emphasis on the meaningless office banter and idealistic nonsense. There still might be some preaching from our naive Ms Tanabe, but there are signs that she is toning down and turning into a typical clumsy damsel in distress...

I hope this series will keep continuing in this direction, and I will definitely support it...

GATX207_Blitz

2003-11-24, 16:12

yes episode 6 was very funny all the way through I really like it when he like slammed his toes and when he was shot into the metal beams man it was just making me crack up. It seemed to get kind of "serious" towards the end but after they landed and were all in the hospital man lol

NenMaster

2003-11-24, 20:34

ep 6 sounds very interesting, might watch it tonite

Anax

2003-11-25, 08:22

Episode 6 was really really hilarious. Even though I read a spoiler about the ninja thing (ahem ahem, no point in spoiler protecting that part now, is there?),

the interconnection between the two plots (ninjas and marriage) didn't dawn on me until it was basically landing in my lap, making the way things ended up totally crack me up! It sounds from the way it ended that they may be on the moon for a little while--which could be interesting and fun. I hope they don't continue the ninja thing to such an extent that it becomes irritating, though.

Also, I certainly hope Tanabe *isn't* toning down dramatically. :) She's a great character, and this sort of interplay between the serious junior and her somewhat crackpot seniors, while it's rather cliched, still has a lot of dramatic and comedic value. I look forward to seeing how things continue.

|Aion|

2003-11-26, 00:33

By what im reading this series has gotten better since the horrible episode 3 that i watched,is this true?

LiQuid|J

2003-11-26, 02:17

Yes it has.

FlyByNite

2003-11-26, 04:11

The Naruto ninja fanboys in 6 were funny as heck. One shouted out "Sharingan!" right at the end I think... ;)

I also really liked how communication was shown a bit more realistically then you see in some futuristic settings. The delay in phone and video phone for instance.

Keitaro

2003-11-26, 04:18

The Naruto ninja fanboys in 6 were funny as heck. One shouted out "Sharingan!" right at the end I think... ;)

eh he did..... I didn't hear him say it at the end.

Tboz

2003-11-26, 11:38

Heh... this episode is some sort of a naruto spoof... the costumes are weird, the moves are funny. The funniest one for me is the "Human Shuriken", that guy even twist his body into the shape of a shuriken. :heh:

kj1980

2003-11-26, 14:42

I also really liked how communication was shown a bit more realistically then you see in some futuristic settings. The delay in phone and video phone for instance.

Part of the reason why many things like "lunarians," "no sound in space" and "phone delay" are because Planet-es has one huge advisor: JAXA.

JAXA (Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency) is something similar to NASA. Albeit they can't send a human into space on their own like China, Russia, or the US, they have been successful in lauching their own rocket and satellites, and is one of the original members of the International Space Station. JAXA was formed in October 1, 2003 as a result of three separate space agencies in Japan: the Institute of Space and Astronautical Science (ISAS), the National Aerospace Laboratory of Japan (NAL), and the National Space Development Agency of Japan (NASDA).

http://www.nasda.go.jp/index_e.html

axus

2003-11-26, 15:39

That's pretty interesting about JAXA!

I've got to agree with the earlier criticism that the show was taking it's preaching too seriously. All of the dramatic elements like the poor family or the daughter of the space coffin seem too false for my taste! I think because they don't have any fantastical elements to their universe they try to fill it up with this instead.

However, the anime is more good than bad and I can tolerate some poorly done drama because everything else is great. I like the main characters and the ways the show tries to explain the future state of technology and politics in space. Episode 6 was a little better with the drama too, not so annoying or false maybe. Also they don't make the dramas the main theme of the story; if they do, it will be bad!

tsurumaru

2003-11-26, 18:06

EP 6 - Hilarious :D

However I'm more scared by the fact that the Naruto Fanbois reputation has grown so much that they even feature in an Anime!!! :twitch:

Surely this wasn't in the manga version???? :)

FlyByNite

2003-11-26, 19:46

Naruto Fanboys are the Star Wars fanboys of the future! :heh:

NenMaster

2003-11-26, 20:49

ep 6 is alright but i hate tanabe, god stick summin down her throat

Xiandu

2003-11-30, 23:06

Decided to start a new thread since the other one has a negative start and name. Justed watched ep7 and i must say that i loved it. Every episode makes me like this series more and more. Truely a great series about just being human. Nono was just adorable even though she was just a child. I also really liked the voice actress that did her va. What did everyone else think? Really looking forward the next eps.

Painless

2003-11-30, 23:50

I just watched episodes 6 and 7, and I agree with you - this series is very nice. I really like the approach it's taking - no mecha, no intergalactic war, no teenage astronaut chicks in skin-thight costumes, but instead, ordinary people doing ordinary work (well, for the series) in space.

Tommy

2003-12-01, 02:31

Definetly an awesome series. I like it a lot.

GATX207_Blitz

2003-12-01, 04:08

Yes episode 7 was great although I have to say taht everytime I watch episode 6 I get a good laugh. I was quite surprised with what nono was. I thought that that was an interesting thought. I do like how it is progressing even with tanabe. as in how she feels about certain other members of the show. I don't want to do spoiler tags so I'll just beat around the bush like that. ok well I don't know if this thread will be the new thread seeing how the other one is kind of long, but I'll start posting in this one now.

Tboz

2003-12-01, 08:40

Episode 7 was really beautiful the way they presented it. The scene where Nono announced that the barren surface of the moon is her ocean... man that's touching and inspirational.

Makes me wanna appreciate nature more... :D

shinta55

2003-12-01, 13:20

Xiandu

2003-12-01, 13:58

Keitaro

2003-12-01, 18:58

I agree with you guys ep7 was really nice, I kinda felt sorry for nono-chan but after it was all over I see that shes happy with what shes got.

NenMaster

2003-12-01, 19:56

i dont rate it that much but its a okay anime

cbm5

2003-12-01, 21:20

I also agree that planetes is one of the best series this fall. Its realistic yet
mesmerizing beautiful art just amazes me. I wanna see what happens to
Hachi and Tanabe, 'cuz it seems like they're gonna hook up
soon.

I think it would be a good series to run places other than Japan. Might put a different face on anime, so that people don't think it's all mindbending LSD-induced 26 episode hallucinations like NGE, or blatant and unforgivable childrens toy placement like Pokemon 'n clones.

KeishoumoriDei

2003-12-01, 21:25

Hmmm... this series seems interesting from what I heard from you guys. Could you give me some more background info as to what this series is about? Is it like, space exploration and stuff?

cbm5

2003-12-01, 21:58

Hmmm... this series seems interesting from what I heard from you guys. Could you give me some more background info as to what this series is about? Is it like, space exploration and stuff?

Basically they based the show on what they perceived would be about the most mundane job possible in the near future of space exploration: collecting random debris so that spacecraft don't run into it.

Even a small screw or chip of plastic can be dangerous in orbit. Consider the speed that spacecraft must maintain to stay in orbit, then consider the fact that a screw could be orbiting at the same speed *in the opposite direction* and you've got a problem. Already there was quite the small crater blasted in our space shuttle's cockpit windows by a small chip of orbiting paint.

So they focus on the people responsible for going out and collecting these navigation hazards. They are underfunded and looked down upon by the rest of the astronauts, as the job is too easy to equate with mere garbage collection. At the time the series starts, apparently even the debris collectors themselve have fallen under this belief, and take little pride in their work. Tanabe is a new member of this crew, and is truly enthusiastic about what she is doing, and the enthusiasm appears to be spreading to some of the other members of the department. They are beginning to take more pride in their work, and as a result the debris section's image is starting to change.

And wacky hijinks all along the way! That's my synopsis...it's a good show, watch it!

cbm5

2003-12-01, 23:30

Thanks for coming to the new thread. Yeah ep7 really impressed me. I was kinda choked up when Nono was on the Moon's surface and gave that little speech.

*********Spoiler**********
I totally think that Tanabe and Hichaci are going to date each other. You can see that they are starting to feel comfortable around each other. Though I think it will start out pretty rough as Tanabe will tell him her feelings and he will be thickheaded as ever and not notice or ignore his feelings at first. So that it may take some time before they become a "couple".

Yeah, sometimes it's hard to notice it in this anime, since it takes a bit of a more realistic approach. With all the other shows out there, you're almost numbed to the point where if a female character isn't throwing herself on top of the male character at every opportunity, *cough* Maburaho *cough* then we don't see anything. Erase all of that and take Tanabe's actions in the context of reality, and you can tell she's definitely starting to have a thing going.

FlyByNite

2003-12-02, 05:06

This show is probably one of the more realistic takes on the future if we were in space. But with the rate of space programs this would probably be better set in the 22nd century instead of the 21st. I don't see us progressing this far really.

Anyway, Episode 7 I liked Nono's storyline and the revelation since it made sense. A lot of Sci-fi novels I've had have theorized that kids born and growing up in low-gravity environments would be taller and generally slim of build because of how their muscles/bones react to growing in lower gravity. Since we see how a fully grown human can have their muscles wear away while in low-gravity. It's happened mainly with cosmonauts since they were on MIR for so long, probably will see it increase with the International Space Station.

It's funny that in all the years of Star Trek, the original show, Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and now Enterprise. I think only ONCE did they ever look at how a low-gravity world would affect a person when they were then in Earth-type gravity. And that was one episode of Deep Space Nine where a woman was confined to a wheelchair type thing in normal gravity because she grew up on a planet with like half of Earth's gravity.

Nice to see a show that explores space and it's consequences in such a realistic fashion. *I just threw everything under the spoiler not give away Nono's disease ;)

Tboz

2003-12-02, 08:50

I saw the making of Planetes, the production team has a whole shelf of space related text just for referencing. Moreover, they have support from Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) too. :D

Xiandu

2003-12-02, 19:20

Good to see a group who actually studies what they are trying to write about. You get so many things in music, tv, anime, and even movies that try to portray something without the slightest bit of insight or knowledge. I think they are doing a fantastic job on this series. They really add realism to this show.

Ed Bear

2003-12-03, 22:54

So far it has been pretty first-rate, for sure. Like everyone else is saying, I can't quite get over what a fabulous job they're doing in making their world obey real-life physics - and in a character-centered story, no less! It is a real joy to watch just for the little touches of realism they throw in everywhere - as soon as I saw how tall Nono was I guessed that she was a native Lunar citizen. In any other show she would have just been tall girl, but it was obvious that the creators knew their stuff well enough that her height would actually mean something in context. Just brilliant.

The opening music and animation is great too, but I can't quite get past the guy's voice on the closing music. I swear he sounds like the illicit Japanese love-child of Weird Al and Frank Zappa. But maybe that's just me.

I really hope a story arc starts to develop soon, though.

cf18

2003-12-04, 02:52

This show and Twin Spica are almost suitable for the Discovery Channel.

Out of the 5 great chapters in the manga vol 1 they only used one chapter so far - episode 7 is base on chapter 2. So expect more good stuff later on.

Xiandu

2003-12-08, 19:24

Hmm, I noticed that nobody hasn't replied here in a few days, i would hate to see this thread die. Come on you fans out there, talk about this great series some more.

Keitaro

2003-12-08, 19:26

Well their isnt much to talk about at the moment, lets wait until the next ep comes out.

bOcyOgl

2003-12-08, 20:20

i wonder whose the main protagonist in planetes, the girl or the senpai ???

PocariSweat

2003-12-08, 20:32

Well, ok then - here's a question about an older episode (spoliered for folks just starting the series)....

the episode where the pickpocket kidnaps the little girl. They do that G-turn maneuver to create the effect of gravity, but this didn't really make sense to me. It seemed like they forgot about inertia - just because the ship spins doesn't make the people inside spin with it. If people are floating free, wouldn't they be slammed rather violently (perhaps even fatally) into one of the inner walls before centrifugal force could even affect them?

To see it another way, picture a bee flying free in in a big jar, if you spin the jar you don't spin the bee, but if the jar is divided in half, the divider would spin around and hit the bee.

cbm5

2003-12-08, 20:36

This show is probably one of the more realistic takes on the future if we were in space. But with the rate of space programs this would probably be better set in the 22nd century instead of the 21st. I don't see us progressing this far really.

There's really nothing in the show that couldn't be done with today's technology. All we really need is the time and funding to start building. If the world really focused on this and started to get into space travel seriously right now, the level of space development depicted is probably possible within 50 years.

It appears most of the development is being controlled by a large corporation. Several corporations today, in fact, are developing space vehicles and it's only a matter of time before NASA is only a tagalong in the space race. All it takes is for a corporation or an alliance of corporations to proclaim space development as their future, and devote the necessary funds and manpower.

Of course, THAT probably won't happen for quite a while. But if something happened that made space travel appear extremely lucrative, it would grow like you wouldn't believe.

bOcyOgl

2003-12-08, 20:46

PocariSweat

2003-12-08, 21:10

u should imagine a rope is tied to the jar and swing it using the rope at fast revolutions, the bee should be stuck on the wall

The bee would still hit the side of the jar before being stuck to the bottom. Since it's not attached to the jar, inertia will keep it where it is. It won't start swinging with the jar until it splats into the side of the glass. :) Think of a bell clapper - when the bell swings, the clapper stays in place so hits the side.

bOcyOgl

2003-12-08, 21:23

yea thats why they fell on the floor right? ( i'm confused) :help:

rewatched ep5 again, it seems that the moon outside the window going upwards, they should have hit the ceiling instead of the floor.... ?

well whose going for all those details anyway

tsurumaru

2003-12-08, 21:25

Watching this great series made me go out and buy the manga from Tokyopop (Don't worry no spoilers).

The manga story is somewhat different to the Anime series (ie there is no Tanabe or other minor characters so far in Vol 1). Instead it focuses on the lives of Hachi, Yuri and Fei. There do appear to be quite interesting underlying stories that could make for an extremely interesting series though so don't worry.

I still expect them to have a couple of more episodes exploring each of the main characters in a bit more depth before they start to kick off the main plot threads though (as its a 26 episode series).

:)

cf18

2003-12-09, 11:53

I have read manga vol2 and vol3, and they are very different from the anime. I will not post major spoilers. In the manga the story focus on Hichaci, progress much faster and the theme is quite dark. The anime sure take their time to develope Tanabe - she do the space coffin thing right away in her introduction chapter. So far the anime has no indication of development of the manga's two main threads, but they still got 19 eps to go.

ApoLLon

2003-12-09, 17:10

it sure is a good serie :)

IPv6

2003-12-09, 18:14

I watch this serie but am kinda lost as to where its going.

cbm5

2003-12-10, 03:30

Eight was another good episode, but not as good as some of the others. Although, we do discover that the temp girl is a complete fox. ;-)

Leonidas Tzu

2003-12-10, 04:11

I guess I'll start downloading this series, via postive feedback from this thread. Though it does sound remarkably boring.

cbm5

2003-12-10, 04:23

I guess I'll start downloading this series, via postive feedback from this thread. Though it does sound remarkably boring.

It doesn't have a high school, teenage harem, super-strong robot girls, evil aliens, or epic martial arts fights. Well, okay, it does have a little martial arts in episode six. But despite all of that, it's fun and interesting. Who says an anime show can't be interesting unless the main character turns into some incredibly powerful monster that tears planets apart, or a dozen underage-looking girls chasing after him with needle-sharp squeaky squirrel voices?

Sometimes you just gotta have your schoolgirls and mecha. But other times a more normal approach can be even more interesting: you can identify with the characters more, and you can't sit back and think "well, to get out of THIS sticky situation, he's going to clench up his fists and undergo what appears to be a brutal attack of constipation, after which all obstacles will be crushed and all persons in danger rescued."

GATX207_Blitz

2003-12-10, 19:19

hey guys I finished phase 8 and...

I thought it was pretty good. I mean I didn't get anything special like some other episodes have, but I did enjoy learning about fee's past and that she worked with the head chairman (dang it I'm not sure of his title, but yea). What got me most about this episode is by what the piolet said....srry I'm kind of tired and I'm forgetting names too.....which was asking if tanabe had a mate. Hmmm could he have a possible interest in tanabe? Anyways there is a little humor and I think this episode was nicely done.

well what did you guys think?

u&t

2003-12-10, 20:11

Hao Asakura

2003-12-10, 20:56

The most funny part in ep 8 is where Fee-san asked the manager to stay and don't do anything at all to help. Can't believe how that manager and his assistant (Lavi is his name I believe) are so stupid and still can maintain their jobs :D

u&t

2003-12-10, 21:50

Can't believe how that manager and his assistant (Lavi is his name I believe) are so stupid and still can maintain their jobs :D

I'll let you in on a secret. This is how things work in RL. Middle management is where you put people that are usless. It's like you get promoted to your level of incompetence.

It's not only the space stuff being realistic in Planetes. The whole thing about how much it sucks to work for a company/corporation is done very well as well.

Keitaro

2003-12-10, 22:05

Well the later half of the episode was not that exciting but the first one was really funny. I just like Bakanabe more and more for every episode. She's so stupid :p

Finally someone (Hachis ex gf) bitched at her for being such an idiot :)

lol Bakanabe reminds me of the KnGE forums where ppl started calling Takayuki Bakayuki.

I don't think Tanabe is an idiot, shes just young and naive. I wished Tanabe kicked Hachis ex girlfriends ass, that stuck up bitch. What she said to Tanabe was just wrong, she had no right to say that. Since they brought his ex back into the picture I really wan't to find out why she hates his guts so bad and why they broke up in the first place.

u&t

2003-12-11, 06:27

Dont really think Tanabe is an idiot either but as long as she acts like one I'll continue to call her that ;)

I'd guess the reason Hachis ex doesn't seem to like him is that he's just a big looser from her point of view. She seems like a real career-whore and Hachi is not. Just a common case of not living up to someones great expectations...

Sklappu

2003-12-11, 12:51

I've been following this series myself and enjoy it greatly, mostly because as some of you already mentioned, the realism and "proper-ness" of it.
I'm a little bummed by the lack of a greater driving plot so far, but each episode is very good in their own.

It's also the very first series (of any kind; movies, shows, etc) that I've seen which features silence in space. No engine noise and things like that, which had me very impressed and was one of the small yet decisive details which made me decide to follow this series.

Leonidas Tzu

2003-12-13, 04:40

Slow, methodical, and mundane at times.

However it's really really good :).
A delightful and refreshing change of pace from the space anime norm. The characters are superb, plotlines still seem fickle and somewhat juvenile, however that's to be expected in the earlier episodes. I assume it'll thicken as the series delves deeper. Overall, this is easily one of the best anime which I happen to be currently watching.

the0utcast

2003-12-15, 13:10

I'm really digging this series, too. Does anybody have a link to some walpaper or artwork? Just looking for some pictures :D

kj1980

2003-12-15, 13:55

The episodes for the last two weeks were really good....especially about "there are no boundaries from up here."

cbm5

2003-12-17, 14:32

What did you think of episode 9?

I thought it covered a lot of material for one episode...we got to see some real space fighting with the debris-dumpers, learned a lot more background on the main characters, AND started an ominous love triangle....

Painless

2003-12-17, 19:08

cbm5

2003-12-17, 19:39

I think episode 9 was great. I had some fears before that it might not work that well with a more serious plot, but this episode convinced me that it can certainly work. PLANETES is quickly becoming my favorite series.

There's also a kind of an underlying thread developing with the space radiation and cancer problem. I haven't read the manga so I don't know, but maybe Technora doesn't provide enough shielding, or this is something people in space can never get away from and it's the price they must pay. Kind of becomes a major social issue with so many people in space, and relatives on Earth, etc.

Keitaro

2003-12-17, 20:44

Ep 9 was not shabby lots of variety. I can see potential for an love triangle. I'll be looking forward to future episodes from now now.

Rheinhard

2003-12-18, 00:46

I am doing my part to spread awareness of this series among a possible group of fans who would appreciate it but who might not see it otherwise. I've made a DVD of the first 7 episodes and send it off for inclusion on the program of Philcon, a literary oriented science fiction convention in Philadelphia which is among the oldest in the US (running for over 60 years!) There is actually a rift growing in the con between old timers who want to keep it purely literary, and newer members who want to open it up to more tracks of media related programming including anime. It's my hope that with a show like Planetes, with its solid hard-SF elements and powerful presentation of the lives of Man in space (especially that speech about the Sea of the Moon in episode 7) will convince them that there is more to anime than Dragonball Z and Pokemon.

Ballz

2003-12-18, 03:14

It's also the very first series (of any kind; movies, shows, etc) that I've seen which features silence in space. No engine noise and things like that, which had me very impressed and was one of the small yet decisive details which made me decide to follow this series.

Same here. The only other sci-fi anything I've seen that does this as well is 2001: A Space Odyssey. The scene where David blasts back into the ship was made all the more impressive by the fact that there was not a single noise to be heard, not even mood music.

I :love: Planetes. I also wasn't aware the manga was out in the States, now I have to pick it up. Haven't seen episode 9 yet, but I do hope Nono-chan comes back. She's such a cutie, even if she sounds like Chiyo-chan.

cbm5

2003-12-18, 04:56

Haven't seen episode 9 yet, but I do hope Nono-chan comes back. She's such a cutie, even if she sounds like Chiyo-chan.

At 12 years old, she certainly is a Nono.

/where am i going, and why am i in this handbasket?

tsurumaru

2003-12-18, 18:40

This series goes from strength to strength. I can kind of see the ongoing plot threads being put into place now. The next episode looks like its going to deal with some important events that affected one of the team we haven't really seen much of yet.....

:)

GATX207_Blitz

2003-12-18, 19:05

finally I saw eps nine. I was right about the thing the pilot asked in eps 8. its getting better to me can't wait for eps 10 not much else to say about it....Actually tanabe was pretty funny when she got drunk heh

Acespeedy

2003-12-18, 19:06

ok, Im curious about something. It appears that Hachi might feel something for Tanabe, and vice versa...alright got that. But then Hachis friend the brown haired flight guy says he feels something for Tanabe, but then at the preview for episode 10, that blonde haired guy on the debris team looks like he might like Tanabe too...and uhhh yah this kind of reminds me like marmalade boy or something like that.

musouka

2003-12-18, 19:31

that blonde haired guy on the debris team looks like he might like Tanabe too

Nope, I doubt Yuri has any romantic feelings for Tanabe. I'd also imagine that this next episode will go into his past. (I really liked that chapter of the manga)

hunterx

2003-12-18, 20:36

hrm I watched the first episode, talkative like patlabor without the mecha action, I'm still wondering whether I should continue watching or not since it doesnt seem to have a plot so far. But if it turns into some romance love triangle thingy it would suck so much

bOcyOgl

2003-12-18, 21:05

NoSanninWa

2003-12-18, 23:37

trust me the story gets better in later episodes, hope you can get used to her whinings though
Actually I've come to love Tanabe's rants. It's a hoot watching her build up a big head of steam. The great thing about her is that she is just so earnest that she can't imagine why everyone else isn't doing the right thing also! I've also never seen her rant about anything that wasn't right. Of course her rants get funny despite their righteousness because she has no sense for how things actually work in the real world.

It isn't a shock that she was transfered in the honn section, huh? :D

Thelastguardian

2003-12-19, 00:42

i think in esp 9 yuri will say something like he lost his love one in space due to space debris collision. Thats why he is in the job of collecting debris.

FlyByNite

2003-12-19, 13:30

I am just continually amazed at how this show mixes insanely serious topics like cancer, death, etc... Then also throws in completely slapstick comedy like the fanboy ninjas.

I don't think this show will ever get wide mainstream appeal because of it, but I think it will be a cult favorite for a lot of people. And I really like it.

GATX207_Blitz

2003-12-19, 15:19

i think in esp 9 yuri will say something like he lost his love one in space due to space debris collision. Thats why he is in the job of collecting debris.

ahem thats eps 10.... ;p

Thelastguardian

2003-12-19, 20:02

ahem thats eps 10.... ;p

thats why I said the word "will" lol (only guessing the next esp. )

And for the cult comment I think doesn't Naruto generate a big enough cult already :D ?

The producers did an excellent job at blending in serious issues along with more heartlighten moments. The result is so good that you can't really tell the differences.

Ballz

2003-12-20, 15:27

At 12 years old, she certainly is a Nono.

/where am i going, and why am i in this handbasket?

You missed a golden opportunity to add this as well: :nono:

I'm just saying she's precious. Really, that's all.

cbm5

2003-12-20, 23:37

You missed a golden opportunity to add this as well: :nono:

I'm just saying she's precious. Really, that's all.

Oh wow, you're right. But then I'm not really a smilies man. It would have been perfect though.

7hor

2003-12-24, 04:15

Same here. The only other sci-fi anything I've seen that does this as well is 2001: A Space Odyssey. The scene where David blasts back into the ship was made all the more impressive by the fact that there was not a single noise to be heard, not even mood music.

I :love: Planetes. I also wasn't aware the manga was out in the States, now I have to pick it up. Haven't seen episode 9 yet, but I do hope Nono-chan comes back. She's such a cutie, even if she sounds like Chiyo-chan.

I'm sure I just missed it, that somebody already brought this up, but several times, they have had sounds in space. You have to go back and watch it. I was happy that there was no ambient noise when they had shots of space, but if you watch the first episode, where the ship gets nailed by the screw, it had engine noise "on the outside." Also, when the military sattelite flys by the "camera", basically our point of view at the time, it makes a faint sound like it's swooshing by. However, I haven't noticed anything else, besides maybe their thrusters on their suits sometimes, but those could be internal sounds. I am still happy to see most things not make too much noise in a vacuum in Planetes.

thirdwheel

2003-12-25, 05:45

I :love: Planetes. I also wasn't aware the manga was out in the States, now I have to pick it up. Haven't seen episode 9 yet, but I do hope Nono-chan comes back. She's such a cutie, even if she sounds like Chiyo-chan.

The manga is really really worth picking up, even though the art isn't too great IMO.
It conveys the same feeling of inspiration I get from the anime, it's great.

stormy001_M1A2

2003-12-25, 12:55

NenMaster

2003-12-25, 21:43

i aint dumped this series, but i want to see something good apart from these 1 ep storys

CaLBeaR

2003-12-26, 13:56

i'm glad JAXA is behind/sponsoring this anime. it's been a loooong time since i saw a realistic 'no sound in space' show. :)

Ballz

2003-12-28, 15:34

The manga is really really worth picking up, even though the art isn't too great IMO.
It conveys the same feeling of inspiration I get from the anime, it's great.

I got the first volume a few day ago, and I love it, although it is in many ways quite different from the anime.

I like the art too. Fee is quite foxy in the manga. ^_-

And to the person who commented on the sound in space... I must have missed it, because all times I recall hearing sound, it's what could be heard "internally" where there is air.

7hor

2003-12-28, 21:47

There is rarely any sound, and when they thrust, I guess you could in fact hear it, but I don't know why it would be hooked up to them internally ^_^

In the first 10 seconds of the first ep, you see the space ship and sound on the outside, and when the camera cuts inside, the sound changes. So this is infact external sound, but you could say it is just internal sound, but why are they letting us hear it from there.

The only other thing I can find real fast is in episode 1, go to 22:05 or slightly before there, and watch the sattelite whiz by, it made some sound. Besides that, can't find anything else besides thrusting.

Either way, haven't noticed anything else, and I'm glad that most stuff is silent. I'm just a stupid geek who likes to pick up on these things. :P

ato

2003-12-29, 03:17

This might be a bit far fetched, but what the hey...

Thrusting is actually one of the things that could be heard in a spacesuit, provided it is hit by the gasses ejected by the thrust. The pitter-patter of millions of small molecules, hehe. Of course, this would only be the case if you were fairly close to the engine, since the pressure should drop at the cube of the distance even with a constant burn rate.

Likewise, if you are in a spacesuit attached (via magnetic shoes for example) to a vehicle, and that vehicle performs a burn, you are likely to pick up the sound through vibrations in the hull. It won't sound the same as what's heard inside, but there will be some kind of sound.

I haven't studied the scenes to find the sound effects in question, but it just might be something they thought of ;)

7hor

2003-12-29, 23:50

The thrust on their suits is fine :D But the 2 others I found wouldn't happen, but I'm just way too picky. ^_^

Xiandu

2003-12-30, 04:23

Tboz

2003-12-30, 08:40

I was wondering what had happened to ANBU too, other than the Naruto episodes, they haven't release anything else. I guess they are either busy with their lifes or taking a rest due to the holiday season. I am still stuck with episode 7 btw, guess I will just move on to other groups for the time-being. :(

Ballz

2003-12-30, 09:20

Wow it has been a while since i posted here. Been waiting for ANBU the jerks, leave that there personal bias, but i decided to go with A-E and was finally able to see eps 8 and 9. This series just keeps getting better and better. Boy that Fee is something else isn't she. I like her character alot and it was good to see more backstory on her(she's hot too). Ep9 was another great episode and we finally got to meet Hachi's Sensei and see that he become a space cop or sorts. It was another great show of character for both Hachi and Tanabe. The ending was almost a tear jerker and you know that more heartache will come of it. I forgot the manga was available, definitely going to be picking it up when i get some extra spending cash. Well i will post as soon as i see ep10.

It seems that my two favorite anime this season aren't getting the speedy fansub service they deserve as opposed to certain other anime I'm not so fond of... *cough Full Metal Alchemist cough*

But no rush, I suppose. If you got a thing for Fee, definitely check out the manga. The best chapter in volume 1 is a story that involves her that I hope to God comes up in the anime at some point.

Do not get between this woman and her cigarettes. :eek:

Edit - while I do like ANBU's subs the best, A-E is really good as well, so it doesn't bother me which group I have when I download the show.

spav

2003-12-30, 11:21

Do not get between this woman and her cigarettes. :eek:

I just got the manga for xmas, and yes I really want to see this story done also. That would rock. I liked the first volume, and I quite like the series, also.

Xiandu

2003-12-30, 17:36

I have nothing against ANBU taking their time or the job they do, my personal bias and the reason i called them jerks, is because they were being just that jerks when i tried to talk to them in mIRC on their channel. They were very rude and degrading.

Ballz

2003-12-30, 18:01

cbm5

2004-01-02, 03:40

Planetes 10 downloaded and watched.

Quite a nice episode, now we know Yuri's background and motivation. Interesting how they linked right back to the debris impact scene in the first episode. I'm not sure how realistic the falling scene was, as far as being able to see atmospheric effects that close to where they were orbiting.

I also can't believe Yuri would create another unnecessary piece of debris, after what happened.

7hor

2004-01-02, 05:19

Episode 10 was good, although, as cbm5 pointed out, the falling scene is a bit unrealistic.

Let's just say we should be having barbequed Yuri, Hachamaki, and Tanabe for dinner tonight ^_^

Xiandu

2004-01-02, 05:23

I can understand that, not like a carnation is going to cause an accident. It was another great episode and i got choked up at the end, even some tears swelled up. Yuri losing his wife like that was really tragic. We now see that Haichi and Tanabe are eventually going to have something between them. We also know that Yuri has no feelings for Tanabe like some people mentioned. Can't wait to see more. Like it was stated earlier, this show is quickly becoming my favorite show. I love space so much and i am glad to see a great representation of it.

ato

2004-01-02, 06:21

About "soft" debris (as featured in ep 10) we can expect that to be disintegrated through very rapid freeze-drying and subsequent vacuum ablation, so no worries. It's likely gone in 24 hours due to it's large surface area ;)

I hope we get some more background on the other characters in the series as well. I really like the pace they are setting now: Always something happening, but with enough time for constant character development. Definetly my favourite series of the current bunch :)

Ballz

2004-01-02, 11:43

I definitely enjoy the pacing of this series quite a bit. I think I liked how episode 10 presented Yuri's backstory moreso than how it was done in the manga, especially since Tanabe's own internal conflict was added to it.

The next episode previews continue to confound me, so I'll be damned if I know where the show is heading next. Looks like Tanabe will be going on a date? :)

cbm5

2004-01-02, 19:07

About "soft" debris (as featured in ep 10) we can expect that to be disintegrated through very rapid freeze-drying and subsequent vacuum ablation, so no worries. It's likely gone in 24 hours due to it's large surface area ;)

Are you sure? It's an artificial carnation. Fake flowers usually have a wire inside the stem, at any rate they are made of silk and plastic. I don't think it would disintegrate that fast. A paint chip blasted a crater in one of our space shuttle windows, so I think a piece of plastic, maybe a ball of silk, and definitely a length of wire, would be a problem.

It just seemed wierd that they got all hyper about the camera that one guy left out there, but waved off releasing the carnation because Yuri had picked of tons of debris. Maybe they put it in the graveyard orbit or something, where space travel isn't allowed.

Ballz

2004-01-02, 19:26

Are you sure? It's an artificial carnation. Fake flowers usually have a wire inside the stem, at any rate they are made of silk and plastic. I don't think it would disintegrate that fast. A paint chip blasted a crater in one of our space shuttle windows, so I think a piece of plastic, maybe a ball of silk, and definitely a length of wire, would be a problem.

It just seemed wierd that they got all hyper about the camera that one guy left out there, but waved off releasing the carnation because Yuri had picked of tons of debris. Maybe they put it in the graveyard orbit or something, where space travel isn't allowed.

Or maybe it's just going to descend into the atmosphere.

Regardless, you're thinking too much over an overtly symbollic gesture. :)

ato

2004-01-02, 19:37

Are you sure? It's an artificial carnation.

Oh, I thought it was a real flower :heh: The carnations had their stems broken in the opening scene, that's probably what mislead me. But doesn't it seem a bit insensitive to offer a plastic flower at a space funeral?

Heh, Ballz is probably correct on both accounts: It's probably in a rapidly decaying orbit, and I am over analyzing it ;)

Thelastguardian

2004-01-02, 21:43

what i said about "Yuri's love one was lost due to space collision" was right :D

Nicely done esp. even if its a bit common.

GATX207_Blitz

2004-01-03, 12:07

Alright its been a whil since I posted aout this show and I saw eps 10 and I liked it very much. Especially since it discussed about the whole airliner thingy and who was onboard and crap.

Yuri is his name right? (yuri what a weird name...taht is if it is) Anyways I liked this episode seeing how you get to see another side of both tanabe..kind of and yuri. Hey can someone explain what "please save yuri" meant I mean is he like dieing or crazy or something??? I don't get that part. Or maybe his wife was psychic hmm...

hmm o yea and to all those ppl who hate tanabe's whining apparently someone has the hots for that. heh ok then I'll be waiting for eps 11

Ballz

2004-01-03, 13:38

Yuri is his name right? (yuri what a weird name...taht is if it is) Anyways I liked this episode seeing how you get to see another side of both tanabe..kind of and yuri. Hey can someone explain what "please save yuri" meant I mean is he like dieing or crazy or something??? I don't get that part. Or maybe his wife was psychic hmm...

Yuri is a fairly common Russian name.

I took the message to mean that she wanted to be his own personal protector, something fairly noble for any spouse to take up. It wasn't a psychic message, although it did take on extra meaning when Yuri found the compass.

shinta55

2004-01-03, 15:06

I don't think she was much of a psychic, but just before this space travelling trip, she engraved that "Please save yuri" words'cuz she's scared of space travels and she wanted her husband to be saved in case of an accident, which did happen.Yuri was saved thanks to this talisman, i guess.

SomeName

2004-01-03, 15:10

The compass was supposed to be a charm to his wife who was afraid of high altitude flying. I took the message to mean that were anything to happen, above all else she wanted Yuri to be saved.

The dreamer

2004-01-06, 16:01

you still haven't my wallpapers made by me ?
baaaad !
here it is ^^
:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/the.dreamer/wall1.jpg
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/the.dreamer/wall2.jpg
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/the.dreamer/wall3.jpg
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/the.dreamer/wall4.jpg

(the 8 and 10 are really good ! normal, they are adapt from manga ! 3 tomes, but number one for me !!!! )
interview : http://berg.heim.at/tibet/451356/mangk.htm
if you want read the first chapter whith animation (the yuri storie is here i think !)
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/emanga/view.html?manga_no=9&story_no=1&ref=series+9&submit=read

tsurumaru

2004-01-06, 17:08

Thanks a lot, that was a really interesting page, with interviews from several excellent Manga-ka! :)

Ballz

2004-01-06, 17:11

Merci beaucoup. ^_^

h3lldiver

2004-01-13, 10:34

wow all of u said good things about planetes , well i think it good, but i only read the manga only, just courious, is it ended in volume 3?

cf18

2004-01-13, 12:19

wow all of u said good things about planetes , well i think it good, but i only read the manga only, just courious, is it ended in volume 3?

So far only 3 volumes were published in Japanese and Chinese. I did not see anything about "series end" at the end of vol3 so I think it will continue, although if it just end at vol3 it is still a good ending. Hopefully it don't go into a "coma" like Crest of the Stars novels.

Ballz

2004-01-13, 15:55

wow all of u said good things about planetes , well i think it good, but i only read the manga only, just courious, is it ended in volume 3?

The manga is ongoing in Japan, although it's to my understanding the author is SLOW about getting it released.

You should check out the anime, definitely. I can't quite figure out how to compare it to the manga. They're so similar yet at the same time, so different... perhaps the anime is just much more laid back in its pacing compared to the manga, for spoilerish reasons I won't divulge. :)

CC Ricers

2004-01-13, 20:58

This is a very good series. A sci-fi anime that's not over-the-top with crazy robots and physics? No way! I've gotta catch up, I'm only on the 4th episode. But like some people said, this is a refreshing break from other sci-fi anime about regular people doing regular stuff. I'm gonna have to try my best not to read all these spoilers and just wait till I get the episodes. See whether there will be more friction between Tanabe and Hachi.

There's really nothing in the show that couldn't be done with today's technology. All we really need is the time and funding to start building. If the world really focused on this and started to get into space travel seriously right now, the level of space development depicted is probably possible within 50 years.

It appears most of the development is being controlled by a large corporation. Several corporations today, in fact, are developing space vehicles and it's only a matter of time before NASA is only a tagalong in the space race. All it takes is for a corporation or an alliance of corporations to proclaim space development as their future, and devote the necessary funds and manpower.

Of course, THAT probably won't happen for quite a while. But if something happened that made space travel appear extremely lucrative, it would grow like you wouldn't believe.

That is true, but still it's a lot more realistic than having full-blown Martian cities, around the same time Cowboy Bebop takes place. I started watching because I'm starting to get into this space stuff. BTW, Bush is gonna adress his future plans on NASA tomorrow, talking about future moon landings and such (about the only good thing Bush might do this year :p).

Shift_

2004-01-13, 21:18

Well when I first watched this series, I thought it was going to be some crazy boring series.

But it's turning out to be one of my fav series of this season. IT's awsome, and I don't really know why, It draws me like Stellvia drew me, it doesn't focus on action or anything like that, it focuses on character interaction and development. Very relaxed. I just wish it would get subbed faster :)

The dreamer

2004-01-13, 21:21

For french lector, you can buy the 3 volume in french, the manga is edit by generation comics ( he is also in competition in Angouléme for best scenario, i think he have great chances !)
go go planetes !!!

h3lldiver

2004-01-14, 02:41

hehehe yeah i ve just discovered that Planetes manga volume 4 has already been published in my country, just need to wait my friend to brought here.

The dreamer

2004-01-14, 06:39

you have a link ? i see anywhere the volume 4 is out ...
i want it !!!

h3lldiver

2004-01-14, 09:40

what do u mean? there are no link, it is published

CC Ricers

2004-01-14, 19:37

The space theme is novel, but it's really about the character interaction in this series that's done so well. PlanetES is gonna be one of those sleeper hits.

RebootEDC

2004-01-15, 10:55

Ballz

2004-01-15, 12:19

Is manga available anywhere in english??
I wish to download a few chapters in order to see how it is ... Anime is great and I've read that the manga is even better.
Just a question... Does Tanabe's char exist in the manga too ? (I think I'm watching the series, not only because the story, but because her)

Tokyopop is publishing it in North America. I believe they have a sample scan or two of it on their site. The first two volumes are out.

The manga is pretty different from the anime, but still really good (in some ways I prefer it to the anime for reasons I won't spoil). Tanabe does appear, but at the moment, she's a fairly minor character who doesn't appear until volume 2. The story focuses much more on Hachimaki, Fee, and Yuri.

cf18

2004-01-15, 12:24

what do u mean? there are no link, it is published

Really? How come the Japanese version of vol4 is not available yet?
http://shop.kodansha.jp/bc2_bc/search_tyosha.jsp?ty=10558

RebootEDC

2004-01-15, 15:19

Tokyopop is publishing it in North America. I believe they have a sample scan or two of it on their site. The first two volumes are out.
Thanx for the hint, Ballz. I'm Spanish and I didn't know about this online store. Now it's become a bookmark on my navigator. ^^

The manga is pretty different from the anime, but still really good (in some ways I prefer it to the anime for reasons I won't spoil). Tanabe does appear, but at the moment, she's a fairly minor character who doesn't appear until volume 2. The story focuses much more on Hachimaki, Fee, and Yuri.
Yeah, I can see in the preview (which is only from the first book) that Tanabe doesn't even appear... It's a pity, but the manga seems pretty fine !! I hope this shop sells overseas, 'cause I'm afraid this series won't come here.

EDIT: Oh... I had images disabled on my Opera, and I didn't realize that you have Nono as your avatar ^^ ...

Thnx for all guys !!
Greets.
Reb.

Ballz

2004-01-15, 19:12

Thanx for the hint, Ballz. I'm Spanish and I didn't know about this online store. Now it's become a bookmark on my navigator. ^^

Yeah, I can see in the preview (which is only from the first book) that Tanabe doesn't even appear... It's a pity, but the manga seems pretty fine !! I hope this shop sells overseas, 'cause I'm afraid this series won't come here.

EDIT: Oh... I had images disabled on my Opera, and I didn't realize that you have Nono as your avatar ^^ ...

Thnx for all guys !!
Greets.
Reb.

Err... Tokyopop is the publisher, not an on-line store. Well, maybe they do on-line ordering directly, I never checked...

I'm sure there are several on-line retailers that ship overseas. I'm pretty sure amazon.com would do it.

While Tanabe is absent in the first volume, there's plenty of content to keep you interested, trust me (especially towards the end with Fee). And when Tanabe does finally show up... let's just say she leaves quite a lasting impression on Hachimaki. ^_^

7thMethuselah

2004-01-15, 19:35

several volumes are out allready I've seen at least 1 from tokyopop and i think 3-4 in french as well (can't remember which company), drawing style was nice too. Planetes made it to my try - out list for manga

h3lldiver

2004-01-16, 11:07

aackk my stupid friend was just playing around, it is not published yet, sorry for the wrong info :(

stpehen

2004-01-16, 13:48

The 4th volume of Planetes is released in Japan on the 23rd of February. Planetes is serialized at unfixed intervals... a chapter is published whenever the author has one done, which no doubt is a major factor in the extremely high quality of the storytelling. The author has no deadlines to meet and thus doesn't have to submit an installment until he is perfectly satisfied with it. Unfortunately, an online acquaintance of mine told me that the latest chapter was the last in the series, so I believe the 4th volume will be the final one.

vspirit

2004-01-17, 00:43

The author has no deadlines to meet and thus doesn't have to submit an installment until he is perfectly satisfied with it.

how lucky can this guy get...but then again...that prolly contributes to the good quality of the manga storyline...

i read the manga first b4 watching the anime...so i'm biased towards the manga(since the way the story is presented appeals to me more)...Hachimaki seems a little...meaner...in the anime (but then again, faced with Tanabe, who wouldn't be?)....the anime is quite ok i suppose...it's more lighthearted. I don't really like ep06...it's too nonsensical for my taste...

the ed song is nice. I like that.

babbito2k

2004-01-17, 05:32

This series reminds me of Patlabor - it's a workplace comedy, the lead sequence (the uchuu no gomi thing) has crummy CG in it, the lead females are spirited but not cute, there's music I don't care for, and both are well-written with interesting characters and attention to detail. edit: oh and there's also the awkward attempt at a relationship with one of the co-workers in this show, too.

I would have passed this show by if I hadn't seen how much love this thread gets. It just escaped my notice.

It's kind of funny to see people in this thread comparing this series to REALITY - not bad, just funny.

I notice a LOT of references to Japan's economic problems. Having recently read a Japanese mystery novel about people being hunted down by creditors, the subplot of ep. 5 got my attention right away. Apparently creditors in Japan will engage in intense harrassment such as home visits and try to collect the money from family, etc. which was mentioned in ep. 5.

edit: there was some kind of hoohah in this thread about the artificial flower that Yuri sent into space. Expensive artificial flowers are made of silk and would hardly qualify as dangerous projectiles at any speed.

ApoLLon

2004-01-18, 04:09

i wish they fansub this serie more faster.

Starlord

2004-01-18, 07:19

tsurumaru

2004-01-18, 12:23

i dont like it
i saw now some ep´s but all what it gets to me was making me tired...
and now i had discard all ep´s i had downloaded so far...

ok some Reality but, in my Job i have enough Reality.....

Well everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

Personally I'm enjoying a break from the traditional Mecha/Superpowers themes of a lot of current Anime.

Ep 11 was great in my opinion, very poignant actually, without being too cheesy I thought.

Just got Volume 2 of the Manga and there is some serious scope for plot development here.

A spoiler question to manga readers:

Do you think that the Anime series' Security Force Officer Hakkim could be the same character as the SDL/SDF leader Hakkim from the manga? If so this could be a hugely interesting outcome later on in the series

Expecting great things from EP12! :)

shinta55

2004-01-18, 18:26

Yeah, that was what I was wonderin' too. Hakim in manga is the total opposite of Hakim in anime. I wonder if they are going to turn Hakim 180 degrees around to become a terroist in the end or something.

Ballz

2004-01-18, 18:29

Responding to the manga spoiler question...

Are you referring to the goofball magician guy who is in the anime? There is no way in HELL that guy's a terrorist. O_o Although I do believe his name is Hakim, I seriously doubt he's the same as the Hakimu who is in the manga. Their personalities are completely different, their relationship to Hachimaki and the other characters is completely different, and besides the thin mustache, they don't look at all alike. I don't see the Planetes anime taking their comic relief and turning him into a super villain.

Haven't seen episode 11 yet. I am curious if the main story arc of the manga is going to be addressed at all in the anime.

ApoLLon

2004-01-18, 18:42

yeah episode 11 is really great!!! i love this serie :)

cf18

2004-01-18, 23:12

Haven't seen episode 11 yet. I am curious if the main story arc of the manga is going to be addressed at all in the anime.

Well most the characters of the main arc has been showing up in the OP, so they are gona show up eventually. The OP in ep 11 also got a few changes.

Ep 11 is excellent - almost bring me to tears. Of all the new story that did not came from the manga, this one is the best.

Ballz

2004-01-19, 01:12

Well most the characters of the main arc has been showing up in the OP, so they are gona show up eventually. The OP is ep 11 also got a few changes.

Ep 11 is excellent - almost bring me to tears. Of all the new story that did not came from the manga, this one is the best.

Just saw it. Excellent story, and now I am TOTALLY stoked.

Ok, so I got my Hakim's mixed up. The Hakim from the manga has come into the anime as the new protege of Gigalde (I think is his name)... Hachimaki's old mentor. Episode 11 is the second time he's appeared in the show, and yeah, he's being set up as a fairly cold SOB.

What's even cooler is the next episode preview... the terrorists finally appear. So now it looks like the main story arc is about to kick in, as we have all the main characters needed, save for Hachimaki's father, whom I know will show up sooner or later. I've got my fingers crossed that episode 12 will do the "Fee vs. Terrorist" incident from the manga.

Totally stoked, yes indeed.

vasiliki

2004-01-21, 07:30

Ep 11 is excellent - almost bring me to tears.

I cried buckets. I watched it a few hours ago, and I was sitting here sobbing. I surprised myself.

RebootEDC

2004-01-21, 09:22

This series is getting better chapter by chapter !!!
I can't stand the wait !! I need moooooore !! ^^

ApoLLon

2004-01-21, 14:42

is there a sign of OST?

Ballz

2004-01-25, 17:32

This series is getting better chapter by chapter !!!
I can't stand the wait !! I need moooooore !! ^^

Yeah, I've grown so tired of waiting that I've begun downloading the raws. o.o

Unfortunately, I can't find raws for 12 or 13. And 15 finished downloading before 14 so I figured what the hell...

And uh, wow. Stuff's happening. Still no sign of Hachimaki's father tho. -_-

NONO-CHAN IS IN THE PREVIEW FOR EPISODE 16! OMIGOD I'M SO HAPPY

Ballz

2004-01-25, 17:38

*edit* doh, can't delete my own post. Thx for the quick response.

And uh, yay my raw of episode 14 is done! Time to watch! Although I must admit seeing the show in this disjointed order is making things kind of :confused:

Tommy

2004-01-25, 21:42

Yeah its a real shame this series isnt subbed as fast as Naruto, FMA, etc. but thats the way it goes. All my favorite series are being subbed at a snails pace for example:

Mermaids forest- I think its been like a month and half or so since the last episode was subbed.

One Piece- *EDIT* HAHA HA HA Episode 80 is out! The wait is over!

And Good ol Planet E's comes out with an episode about every week and half to two weeks so its not as bad as the others.

Luckily I watch many series so its not so bad that I'm depending on these series to be subbed as fast as possible.

Ballz

2004-01-26, 02:07

I need a Nono-chan fix. :(

Asura Zanmaden

2004-01-26, 17:46

Planetes - Episode 12 by Anime-Empire is out!
Enjoy!!

Ballz

2004-01-26, 18:03

Excellent this totally made my day. ^____^

Keitaro

2004-01-26, 18:03

Planetes - Episode 12 by Anime-Empire is out!
Enjoy!!

Yippy, thanks. Starts dl.

Update,

My thoughts on Ep12

lol Fee-san was insane jus cuz she couldn't smoke for 10 days. Man she should quit, smoking is not good for your health :nono: . But anyways by her snapping like that she saved the space station. One of my favorite episodes of the series so far.

brightman

2004-01-26, 21:51

lol.. Ep 12 is just great... Fee snapping like that is hilarious and the love polygon gets crazier and crazier... Heh heh.

Ballz

2004-01-27, 01:15

ato

2004-01-27, 16:16

Mmmm! More wonderful Planetes goodness! Ep 12 was one of the best so far, and it seems set to become even better up ahead. Woot!

Dang! Fee is one scary person on nicotine withdrawal... The others would do well to keep a pack or two stashed away in case of emergencies :heh:

As for the threat of earth being cut off from space for a long time, that might have happened, but a lot of the junk would have been in highly instable orbits, so the majority would have come down pretty fast (with pretty fireworks as a side-effect, heh). The question is how much would have remained...

tsurumaru

2004-01-27, 19:36

EP12 rocked!

Anyone spot the way Hakkim from the DoOS said "That Toybox huh"

I liked the way they referenced characters from the series so far in the panning shots (whilst the Terrorists aims were being broadcast).

Also the Whole Hachi - Tanabe thing is going very well and as for Fee - fear her when shes got Nicotine withdrawl.

I wonder how they are going to link in with the manga plotline, damn this is a good series. :)

kj1980

2004-01-27, 20:24

Ahh, I feel better now.

Fee pretty much saved humanity with that little stunt. That's why she's one of my favorite characters. ^^ It looks like the series is finally getting on track with the manga, as the next episode is going to introduce Hachimaki's brother.

Ep. 13 - Hachimaki, Tanabe, and Yuri go visit Hachi's home. Kyuutaro. Yuri's move on with life.
Ep. 14 - "Turning Point," new OP cut (same song). Confession.
Ep. 15 - Eidel's past.

Ballz

2004-01-27, 20:52

Ep. 13 - Hachimaki, Tanabe, and Yuri go visit Hachi's home. Kyuutaro. Yuri's move on with life.
Ep. 14 - "Turning Point," new OP cut (same song). Confession.
Ep. 15 - Eidel's past.

Yeah, episode 15 in particular was an interesting diversion, although I can't say I was able to follow it word for word. ^_^ I haven't seen 13 at all, but based on my spotty, out of order viewing of this show, I figured that was the story to be addressed.

Does anyone know if this show is going for 24 or 26 episodes?

*Edit* The "how many episodes" thread says 26, but it also says in parentheses that it may be 13 (which is indeed incorrect), so I dunno how reliable that source is.

Prince of Chronics

2004-01-28, 00:13

I completely understood Fee in ep 12... lol.... when I don't get my morning smoke b4 work or school... I get pretty damn irritable... :heh: but she didn't have a smoke for ten days... haha... and it was the irritating feeling of not being able to have a smoke when u want to that saved everyone... :D

ApoLLon

2004-01-29, 17:43

its a good episode but not as much as ep 11. and subs arent good :(

7hor

2004-01-29, 19:29

12 was hilarious. What was wrong with the subs? Were they any bad translations? I didn't notice anything unless it was a translation prob.

Ballz

2004-01-30, 11:42

Besides AE not being able to decide if his name is "Chenshin" or "Chengshin," I didn't notice anything particularly out of the ordinary with that episode's subs.

Hoeboe2k

2004-01-30, 16:03

Gosh, Planetes is so good. It's one of my favorites now. I saw this thread and was like hey I might as well try dling. Before that I read the synopsis and it sounded kind of dull so I didn't dl it. But now I'm glad I did. It's like in my top 3 series.

stormy001_M1A2

2004-01-31, 13:07

Fee's gallantry and deseperate courage to get to smoke is commendable. Truly a Medal of Honour style of heroism, just for wrong reason.

I cannot imagine if she have PMS and can't smoke at the same time. :heh: :twitch:

Tboz

2004-01-31, 18:29

I thought this is one of the funnier episode since the Naruto spoof in episode 7. Especially with Fee being blasted with water when she's about to light up a ciggarette each time. :heh:

I must also say that the love relationship between Tanabe and Hachi is building up nicely. Its quite amusing to see them throw the mascot soft-toy at each other like quarelling couples. :p

So next episode is Meet the Parents for Tanabe? :heh: