Rozen Maiden [Archive] - AnimeSuki Forum

nekodar

2004-08-21, 06:36

Website at: http://www.tbs.co.jp/rozen-maiden/index-j.html

Staff:
Original Work: PEACH-PIT
Director: <Matsuo Kou> 松尾衡
Screenplay: <Hanada Jyukki> 花田十輝
Script: <Hanada Jyukki> 花田十輝, <??> 岡田麿里, <Tamai Gou> 玉井☆豪
Character Design: <Ishii Kumi> 石井久美
Music: <Mitsumune Nobuyoshi> 光宗信吉
Music Production: Mellow Head
Animation Studio: NOMAD

Cast:
Shinku 真紅: Sawashiro Miyuki 沢城みゆき
Sakurada Jun 桜田ジュン: Sanada Asami 真田アサミ
Sakurada Nori 桜田のり: Rikimaru Noriko 力丸乃りこ
Suigintou 水銀燈: Tanaka Rie 田中理恵

Summary: To come later

ChibiDusk

2004-08-21, 06:51

The main artwork image sort of reminds me of Rizelmine. Hm, looks good, I'll be checking this one out ^_^

Yamano667

2004-08-21, 06:59

The art looks good

nekodar

2004-09-06, 02:27

Updated with the announced voice cast for this show.

Thelastguardian

2004-09-06, 02:52

Looks like the gang of lolita complex would be shaking in joy.

Could be interesting, I will watch it once it is out.

I predict that the 2D otaku will compare the characters to various anime characters base on their physical apparence.

Melty Snow

2004-09-13, 04:32

Saw the/one of the promos....
Anyone know what this is about? It reminds me of Cosette, well only the creepy looking blonde loli part.
The site looks kawaii and happy, but "dangerous night of dolls" from promo does not sound too kawaii nor happy at all. Lifelike doll's already scare me right now :(.

dreamless

2004-09-19, 00:48

I don't really think the site or the promo kawaii or happy :heh: there are already two loligoths in the characters section, the main loli doll "true red" and the even more gothic looking loli doll "mercury lamp", also the line in the promo "Now swear, on the ring fo rose, that you will protect my Rosa Mystica" just sounds super creepy to me especially back the background music... now my only question is, why the music sound almost exactly the same as Avenger :twitch: :eyespin: :confused:

ChibiDusk

2004-09-19, 01:00

why the music sound almost exactly the same as Avenger
Probably because it's by the same artist - See-Saw :)

dreamless

2004-09-19, 01:54

Probably because it's by the same artist - See-Saw :)
umm... but the staff list doesn't say See-Saw, it says Mitsumune Nobuyoshi for music. Besides Avenger music is by Ali Project, not See-Saw... :confused:

Reticia

2004-10-09, 03:45

Does anybody know something about this anime?

EDIT : Excuse me for posting the topic in the fa,sub forum when it was in the General forum, but i didn't see it :heh:

NoSanninWa

2004-10-09, 03:51

Does anybody know something about this anime?
I know that it isn't fansubbed and there is already a thread about it. You thread has been moved and merged accordingly.

If you take a glance above your post you'd see that several people have already posted the information that you'd have found if you had a clue on how to use the search feature. Hint: Click on search and type Rozen Maiden in the bar.

guest

2004-10-09, 04:04

This series looks like 3x3 (eyes) with a... "modern" touch (better music, better character design, better animation). The story seems similar to 3x3, although I only know a little about it.
But the art is gorgeous, I mean the OP and EP. Somehow, other than that, it seems OK. I don't know. I don't think I am going to follow this one, though. Unless it has a good plot, then I might change my mind. :)
Guest...in process of "scanning" new anime to follow for Fall.

stormy001_M1A2

2004-10-09, 05:02

Is it done by Twin Bee studio?

Reticia

2004-10-09, 06:07

I know that it isn't fansubbed and there is already a thread about it. You thread has been moved and merged accordingly.

If you take a glance above your post you'd see that several people have already posted the information that you'd have found if you had a clue on how to use the search feature. Hint: Click on search and type Rozen Maiden in the bar.
I created a topic in the fansub forum, and it was moved here....i didn't know there was already one here :heh:

Lord Raiden

2004-10-09, 08:55

I saw the raw of the first episode of this anime and I was thuroughly unimpressed. It reminded me of a very poorly done Konjiki no Gash Bell!! and strangely enough had a very strange Avenger-esque feel to the opening and part of the show too. This is definately not one I'm going to watch as unless it improves drastically, I'm not even going to try and force myself to watch it. I normally believe in the 3-5 rule, but this one has made me decide not to even bother to follow that rule. But we'll see. I'll check this out again later on in the series because it may surprise me.

dreamless

2004-10-09, 09:25

Now I understand the Avenger-esque music here, indeed Ali Project (responsible for Avenger music) has done some music for Rozen Maiden.

It's done by a studio named NOMAD I think...

Pandora

2004-10-09, 09:38

umm... but the staff list doesn't say See-Saw, it says Mitsumune Nobuyoshi for music. Besides Avenger music is by Ali Project, not See-Saw... :confused:

Mitsumune Nobuyoshi's name should be Mitsumune Shinkichi. I got it off from my Utena OST CD. And yes, he was responsible for the music in Shoujo Kakumei Utena. The OP is by Ali Project, hence the similarity.

Stormy, the production team you are thinking should be Bee Train, not Twin Bee. (ED: And Bee Train is definitely not the production team for this series. Sorry about the confusion.)

By the way, the manga Rozen Maiden is being scanlated by BNC Scanlation. They've finished the first volume. IMO the story isn't very dark at the moment, but you have a kid who doesn't go to school, stays at home all day, and buying things online. There's bound to be some secrets going on. You might want to check out the scans. Go to BNC's IRC channel for the scans.

http://bnc-scanilations.mori-kun.co.uk/

Reticia

2004-10-09, 13:34

Stormy, the production team is Bee Train
Yay ^ ^ :D:D

Kaoru Chujo

2004-10-09, 17:00

I've seen the raw, too, and have a totally different reaction: I really like the character design of the Rozen Maiden, and find the story intriguing. I can't understand everything they say, but it appears that the living doll was put in its case many decades ago, and now is mysteriously delivered to the young on-line-purchasing otaku. Her peeved little expression, with a strange courtly propriety and kindness behind it, is interesting. We'll see where the plot goes.

It's striking that there are two new shows where a tough little magic girl magically enslaves a guy: this and Tsukuyomi/Moon Phase. I've only been watching anime for a few months: is this a common theme?

Kensuke

2004-10-09, 17:21

Strikiing that there are two new shows where a tough little magic girl magically enslaves a guy: this and Tsukuyomi/Moon Phase. I've only been watching anime for a few months: is this a common theme?
Not really, Usually its the other way around. Just watch any harem series. :p
But its good that we have these kind of series also, guy as a "slave".

I decided to watch Rozen Maiden and Tsukuyomi when they are subbed, not raws, even thought its killing me to see new messages posted in threads knowing that they have already watched it. :heh:

Pandora

2004-10-09, 17:34

I decided to watch Rozen Maiden and Tsukuyomi when they are subbed, not raws, even thought its killing me to see new messages posted in threads knowing that they have already watched it. :heh:

Hear, hear! *grin*

Tiamat's Disciple

2004-10-23, 18:04

Anime Keep finally released episode 1 *dances*

Shame they're the only group doing this series, since while i prefer them, they're not as fast as others. And the wait has almost killed me :)

I totaly love this show

Poor Jun getting beaten up by a doll lmao

Any ways, that clown was hillarious, i wonder if him getting beaten up by dolls is going to be a common thing.

First impressions of the show to me seem like this is going to be a story about him getting over his hatred of his folks and filling that 'hole in his heart' the curse doll mentioned. Thats what i thought of anyways :)

Shinku is sooooo cute, she's as cute as Hazuki, just in a different way. I want a new avatar!!! i want a Shinku avatar!!!!

Or better yet a signature pic with them both :) meh i wish i could make em :(

Eagerly awaiting episode 2 now, looks like its going to be fun from the promo.

Kensuke

2004-10-23, 19:41

Just watched the first episode... Holy s***, what an opening song! I don't know should I love it or hate it... I think I love it, very very weird and creepy. Music was awesome in actual episode also.

I was expecting just mediocre series, but in fact of all the series that have started this fall, I think this has a best first episode, even better than Tsukuyomi's. Very weird and funny in the same time. I laughed out loud several times.
Yes, Jun being slapped by doll several times was funny and while Jun reacted "normally" (freaked out) when Shinku began moving and talking, his (a little) air-headed sister goes all starry eyed.
And that fight was funny too, clown doll fighting with cards.

Just one thing. Twins separated in birth?
http://s04.imagehost.org/0041/harry_rozen.jpg

Thank you Anime-Keep for subbing this series.

SiL Eighty

2004-10-23, 21:22

FlyByNite

2004-10-24, 02:11

Just finished watching ep1.... Love the OP. It has a very "Avenger" feal to it, and it sounds like the same singer to boot. Any verification on that?

Story seems very intresting. The snobby doll is cool ^_^. Jun doesnt seem to be a complete whimp, and his sister is some nice airhead comic relief.

Ali Poject does the opening and the also did the OP/ED on Avenger as well as the OP to Noir (So Bee Train must like them)

Also I see the creators of this are Peach Pit who created DearS. It doesn't seem like a natural fit fo what I've come to expect from Bee Train but i enjoyed the first episode.
Jun is a little brat. I'm sure he's got abandonment issues with his parents being gone, but he treats his sister like crap so I hope Shinku bosses him around a lot... ;)

Looking forward to seeing Rie Tanaka voicing that white-haired goth-looking doll floating in the closing.

oasis

2004-10-24, 07:05

the dutch wife comment was hilarious. makes you wonder if shinku comes with, ahem, 'batteries' included.

fairx

2004-10-24, 07:53

Out of many EGL style anime, this one grabs my attention!

Banzai GOTHIC!!
Banzai LOLI!! Banzai EGL..!!

Trax

2004-10-24, 09:46

I didn't get the 'dutch wife' remark at all (I'm dutch so it caught my attention obviously) but looked it up so I understand what it's about now.

First episode was interesting, although the main characters - besides the doll, Shinku, snobby attitude is amusing - are not very interesting yet (one is clumsy, other is antisocial). But why the hell did that clown doll show up to kill him anyway? :/

ZGMF-X10A

2004-10-24, 10:11

the opening has the same music as avenger... i was like.. where have i heard this before.... and the animation kinda reminds me of hack... O.o the story kinda confusing...

dreamless

2004-10-24, 10:21

I hope Ali Project can have more variety in their music, the Noir OP, Avenger OP/ED and now Rozen Maiden OP all sounds too much alike IMO, and in Rozen Maiden's case, doesn't sound really right to the anime :twitch:

Kagari-chan

2004-10-24, 12:47

Anime Keep finally released episode 1 *dances*

Shame they're the only group doing this series, since while i prefer them, they're not as fast as others. And the wait has almost killed me :)

We had delays with episode 1 (mainly with the karaoke, and then it had to be reencoded a half a dozen times... but episode 2 should be out soon.

DarknessTear

2004-10-24, 12:57

This series SURPRISINGLY doesn't suck. I was ready for a suck fest but got a fairly decent experience instead. I guess you really can't judge a book by it's cover.

SeedBoy

2004-10-24, 13:49

Wow, a very interesting anime. I just finished watching ep.1 also. It's soo amazing how Japan's anime come up with all these interesting storyline, characters-plot. Another in my watch list, have about over 10 animes in my current watch list now. Im starting to loose control over all these new season animes cause they are too many. :) I love them all.

Conan-san

2004-10-24, 13:53

Oh, yeah liked this quite a bit. I don't quite get the dutch wife comment ether. :P Anyway I found part where Shinku poked Jun's eyes with her hood (correct term plz) to be graet and oddly enough, I can realy emphisie with Jun for some reasion. Maybe it's cause he looks a bit like me back in my earlyer years but...

Well done Ani-Keep, you've got a monoply on me (with Bleach and Rozen Maiden) as far as "Legal fansubs" are concerned (I'm contining to watch Rockman.exe, Axess and the Digimon Series via Wolfpack as A) Frounteir never made it to the uk so it's unlicenced as far as I care. And I B) I find the dub of Rockman.exe to be appaling.

Muir Woods

2004-10-24, 14:38

Jun is a little brat. I'm sure he's got abandonment issues with his parents being gone, but he treats his sister like crap so I hope Shinku bosses him around a lot... ;)

I just watched 01, and yeah I already have a strong dislike of Jun already. You don't treat your bigger sister like that, especially she's that cute. Nori is older than him. She shouldn't take that crap from Jun. I thought elder siblings are suppose to govern over younger siblings, not the other way around. Because often I see older bro/sis roughing up younger siblings, you know, to show them their place. Even I do that to my younger bro :heh: . On top that that, Nori plays Lacrosse? I saw Lacrosse a few times, and one of my friend plays Lacrosse a lot, and he says it's quite a hardcore sport (its similar to hockey). You can wack people with your Lacrosse stick...and it looks quite painful. Anyways, this anime has quite a peculiar premise, but dolls fighting dolls? Hmm, I never liked dolls after seeing a bit too much Chucky when I was little. Still on my to watch list.

catcat

2004-10-24, 14:56

daft27

2004-10-24, 20:51

Originally Posted by Muir Woods
I just watched 01, and yeah I already have a strong dislike of Jun already.

I know exactly what you mean. In the first half of the episode, Jun just did nothing but disgust with his attitude towards everything. I was thinking that the Rozen Maiden sent to him was something of evil (judging from the opening sequence) but now it looks like the doll will actually help nuture Jun into a better person.

On another note, Jun's character design reminds me a lot of Neneko from DearS.

jonny-mt

2004-10-24, 20:56

Anime Keep finally released episode 1 *dances*

Shame they're the only group doing this series, since while i prefer them, they're not as fast as others. And the wait has almost killed me :)

After probably as many delays as AKeep (that opening really was a bitch), Ayu will be releasing ours very shortly, too. So don't worry; we'll be nipping at each other's heels to get you your quality Rozen fix as fast as possible :heh:

Tiamat's Disciple

2004-10-25, 04:11

After probably as many delays as AKeep (that opening really was a bitch), Ayu will be releasing ours very shortly, too. So don't worry; we'll be nipping at each other's heels to get you your quality Rozen fix as fast as possible :heh:

wooooooooooooooooohoooooooooooooooooooo gimme gimme gimme gimme

I love the opening have to admit, its a really freaky song. Any one fully understand what was going on in the first part of the show, cause it stumped me completely.

fairx

2004-10-25, 11:05

Ali Project Op (Rozen & Avenger) relly sounds like an Arabian song.. don't u guys think?

Onizuka-GTO

2004-10-25, 12:54

I know exactly what you mean. In the first half of the episode, Jun just did nothing but disgust with his attitude towards everything. I was thinking that the Rozen Maiden sent to him was something of evil (judging from the opening sequence) but now it looks like the doll will actually help nuture Jun into a better person.

On another note, Jun's character design reminds me a lot of Neneko from DearS.

Actually Jun is suffering from depression and bullying

He is Hikimori (I think that's how you spell it)

Its the cultural condition suffered by 71% of male teenagers, that have no social interaction skills, suffering from bullying, fear of the outside they lock themselves in their rooms, play games, miss school and refuse to come out for nothing.
Some have been known to suffer up to 6yrs before slowly recovering and coming out again to pick up their broken lives.

Its a very serious problem and isn't help by the "softly-softly" approach ingrained into Japanese health professions and society in general, where even the parents fear getting help, in case the neighbours find out.

:(

It's great that Jun has a great sister, who is trying to help him.

I guess it takes a western approach to help Jun, hence his dutch wif- er i mean Rozen.

and dammn she's a cute little, doll killing thing.

I want to get one for my sisters. (honest! Not that i don't want one too....)
:D

ChainLegacy

2004-10-25, 17:10

Well, with my schedule tightening up I find myself downloading more and more anime and this happened to be one of the new series I checked out.

My initial reaction was confusion, but looking back on this, it looks like it has the potential to be a cool series. Not sure how well it'll live up to that potential, though.

Melty Snow

2004-10-25, 21:13

Being slapped and headbutted by a doll may make Jun even more depressed :(. Then get a whole harem of dolls to slap him..... Ugh if Jun turns out to have a harem of dolls then... that would be kind of cool. But what isn't cool is that his sister looks like she might have a brother complex. Enough with those already, most of those aren't even interesting.

Thelastguardian

2004-10-25, 23:15

What a little over-egonostic hypocritic brat...and what a little blood-culling doll.
One is a vampire like lady while the other is a Duracell battery :D .

What a nice match

And the first three seconds of the intro...frankly it surprised me quite a bit. I never expected to see this kind of make-up in anime :) .

Anyhow it reminds me of Tsukuyomi's plot. In fact, these two probably have more similarity than any other show in this season. Master and servant, caster and battery, you get the point :) .

And the dolls...Don't tell me they are the metaphor of animation model dolls :D .

PS Ani-Keep, could you take out the rose bg in your intro? They look amazing but
1. They destract the viewer
2. They make it hard to see the words
And, frankly, the effect reminded me of those cheesy 60s JDrama for some reason...

Wandering_Youth

2004-10-26, 03:35

Onizuka-GTO

2004-10-26, 06:53

I actually like the opening and the song was charming in a dark way. They did a fine job of drawing Shinku because she give's off that whole European doll look nicely . Ha, I usually hates those kinds of dolls because they're sort of creepy, imo...that and clowns. For a min after the doll fight scene, I thought Jun had sold his soul to Shinku or something, but I was wrong. It's still pretty bad though since he getting owned by a doll :). Anyway, this looks like another fun anime to watch, imo.

Oh god. im absolutely petrified of those dolls (yeah, im a 21yr old bloke who's scared of dolls. its better then of spiders though)

I remember once, that auntie had some in a room, and they were on the shelves, and since she was painting the room, she had white sheets on the funiture. I remember running into that room, during hide & seek, and it was dark and the moon was shining in, and it fell onto one of the dolls. AND I FRIGGING SWEAR IT LOOKED AT MEE!!! THESE DOLLS ARE FRIGGING SATAN!!!
:uhoh: :help:

*cough*

um...yeah. I need to see a shrink or something, dammn that still scares me....

cindialai

2004-10-26, 13:55

Usually most dolls on the market looks like toys not human like so they aren't that scary like barbie...
I would personally want a talking walking speaking doll but not one that slaps me like the rozen maiden #5 doll.

Oh god. im absolutely petrified of those dolls (yeah, im a 21yr old bloke who's scared of dolls. its better then of spiders though)

I remember once, that auntie had some in a room, and they were on the shelves, and since she was painting the room, she had white sheets on the funiture. I remember running into that room, during hide & seek, and it was dark and the moon was shining in, and it fell onto one of the dolls. AND I FRIGGING SWEAR IT LOOKED AT MEE!!! THESE DOLLS ARE FRIGGING SATAN!!!
:uhoh: :help:

*cough*

um...yeah. I need to see a shrink or something, dammn that still scares me....

KoroshiyaX

2004-10-26, 14:29

Onizuka-GTO,

I heard Chucky makes a guest appearance in Ep4 =)

j/k

Himemiyadesu

2004-10-26, 19:59

I definitely think a Boy-is-Girls-Slave theme is going to be a new trend! I like it better than the harem concept.

Rozen Maiden so far looks VERY good. I was skeptical about it, thinking it was just a lolicon-G&L anime, but so far the doll isn't "Wah I am so little take care of me!". I love the boy-slaps.

Wisely

2004-10-27, 06:29

Dolls fighting isn't really my type, I am scared of dolls due to a certain movie...

The slave concept wasn't new but at least not as overused as harem concept, might just download a few episodes more to see what the main story is like

Btw, Jun is dislikable but at least his master Shinku is cute :)

Muir Woods

2004-10-30, 17:49

lamer_de

2004-10-30, 18:30

Keep will redo 01 in widescreen as well, it's just that the widescreen raws are aired a good time later and weren't available the time we released 01 (at least to my knowledge).

CU,
lamer_de

Tiamat's Disciple

2004-10-30, 19:29

I just watched Ayu's episode 02, and Ayu's sub seems to be in higher (video) quality and in widescreen! They did a wonderful job in Shinobu-den, so I'm switching to them now (sorry A-Keep :heh: ).

Anyways, I had a few laughs in 02, especially that toilet scene. Shinku maybe snobbish, but her small stature makes her actions cute enough to be tolerable, such as try to reach the knob to open the door. Makes me wonder, why doesn't she just fly up and open the door? Hina (the blonde doll) however, just disturbs me. Thank goodness her power was taken away. I didn't get one thing though, when Jun and Tomoe-chan met near the stairs, why did Jun sulk? Was it because he didn't like a girl seeing him all dirty and uncouth or something? Maybe I missed something of Jun's brief flashback...

I like it so far.

I loved this episode, Shinku just gets better and better hehe

As for Tomoe, in the flash back he's smiling, then someone touches him on the shoulder and he changes. My soeculation is its her, and something happened that set of the bullying, since before that he seemed happy.

Hina was just a mentaly disturbed doll who had been locked in her chest for to long hehehe she was funny. We're going to be seeing lots oif her i bet. The one that has me all freaked a bit is the dodgy white one with evil eyes we meet next episode. She just looks pure evil incarnate.

Also we got a hint of the true meaning of the Rozen Maiden, they fight each other to take each others power, and by defeating each other they get closer to 'Alice' who or what ever that is. Should be really interesting to see.

Onizuka-GTO

2004-10-30, 19:59

Edited:

Also we got a hint of the true meaning of the Rozen Maiden, they fight each other to take each others power

HIGHLANDER!!!!!

ah.. sorry. *cough*

I dunno what set that off.....

:D

But dammn i can't wait for this episode!

:D :D

Wandering_Youth

2004-10-30, 21:36

Jeez, I knew her sis Nori was dense, but to try and catch a shoot star? :heh: I like this episode since Shinku got to show off some of her fighting skills and her cute sides. At the end of the episode I thought Hina was going to make Nori her medium, the seem to go well together.

Thelastguardian

2004-10-30, 23:52

I thought Hina was going to make Nori her medium, the seem to go well together.To give such a mentally unbalance doll the power to corrupt again? I will pass :) .

Rozen Maiden has just become the most anticipate series of this season. I could sort of see where is show is going and how the plot will float again. Frankly I have high hope on this show :D .

stormy001_M1A2

2004-10-31, 00:18

Interesting series, but it could go wrong very easily

hunterx

2004-10-31, 01:18

meh what's up with these people and dolls. From pokemon to GITS, this doll theme is quite pervasive. Rozen Maiden.. dolls with emotional problems? I'll stick around for a couple of more episodes to see how it turns out.

randall

2004-10-31, 03:36

Tiamat's Disciple

2004-10-31, 05:06

Thanks for your support but A-Keep is good too ;D
You should consider keeping both ^^

the thing i like about your subs, over AK was the lack of the roses on the opening credits. They looked awsome true, but they made reading the subs damned near impossible for me. So yours gave me a chance to fully read the subs.

That said, anyone else feel a little creeped by the opening song :P

Kensuke

2004-10-31, 07:26

As for Tomoe, in the flash back he's smiling, then someone touches him on the shoulder and he changes. My soeculation is its her, and something happened that set of the bullying, since before that he seemed happy.
Yes, I get to feeling that Jun and Tomoe knew each other previously. But what Muir Woods said about her strange behaviour, I have no idea why Jun acted that way in the hallway when they met and he looked at his dirty clothes. I'm sure its related to their past because Jun is acts more like a popular and happy kid in the flashback and he doesn't have glasses.

Hina is just creepy.

And episode 3, that white haired doll from opening appeared in preview. I can't wait to see what's her deal.
Very promising start for this series, definetely one of my favorites in this season. When Anime-Keep releases their wide-screen version it will be hard to me to decide which one to follow.

stormy001_M1A2

2004-10-31, 11:23

You people making demands to A-Keep as if they owe it to you. They doing this for free and you all should shut up and enjoy the free meal.

Geez, people is surely amazing these days.

Yuun

2004-10-31, 11:32

Hmm... This show is OK nia...

But one thing for sure, I really really hate the Hero... He worth not even a single cent in my point of view.

He is so rude to his sister which I could not accept at all, not to mention he treat her like maid... O_O Furthermore... what he knows is to buy all those nonsense stuffs.

Hmpf... Luckily the Doll come into his life and teach him some lessons of life. Sheesh... The clown should have kill him in the 1st place...

I'll give this show another episode for a try before Shift+Deleting it... The only thing keeps me watching is the strange dolls...

P/S: Somehow reminds me about the famous horror movie "Child's Play" Don't you think so? :heh:

Tiamat's Disciple

2004-10-31, 11:33

You people making demands to A-Keep as if they owe it to you. They doing this for free and you all should shut up and enjoy the free meal.

Geez, people is surely amazing these days.

i dont see anyone making demands anywhere. I see people commenting on how AK was just normal while the new releas was done in WideScreen. So that person was moving to the wide screen version. Then AK responded by explaining why they hadnt used the Wide Screen (in that it was aired much later, and that they were now using the wide screen version).

Then we have someone saying how they're not sure which group they'll be going with since both are of a high quality.

Where in all of that is the demand?

Personally, i take whichever comes first, and then when AK release get theirs, since i prefer to support the group that first introduced me to Anime. Thats why there's more than one group, it gives people variety, and lets them chose who they'll watch.

Tiamat's Disciple

2004-10-31, 11:36

SCR512

2004-10-31, 18:20

hopefully, It sets up some "dramaish" scenes in episode one, I'm curious to see how well this show pans out.. Let's hope we don't have another Avenger on our hands.

=p

Yamano667

2004-10-31, 20:14

I see a very promising series on the horizon, I hope it continues like that :D

Bracken33

2004-11-01, 10:16

I have seen episode one and two yesterday.

After the first half of episode one I thought it might be an evil dolls are taking over the world show or at least that they might torment some children. Esspecially the opening and the first minutes have a creepy feeling to them.
For me this kind of dolls and clowns are creepy. Yeah I am a bit odd :uhoh: .

But after watching the rest of episode one and episode two it might not be a dark show after all.
That´s too bad :) .
I still hope it will be like Narutaru but with a better plot and not so bloodthirsty, just creepy...
We need some dead dolls and children here :heh:.

I will watch it even if it will be a cute/romantic/harem show. I like it so far.

Trax

2004-11-01, 20:07

After seeing the 2nd episode we have a general idea of where the plot is going with this, reminded me of Konjiki No Gash Bell although it's a bit different (the dolls are more in control and the price for failure is harsher) and possibly darker. Rozen Maiden looks promising, I hope it delivers. I also like both the op & ed song, with a preference for the ed. Anyone know the name of the ending song, and is a full version out yet?

thyme

2004-11-01, 20:41

After watching the first fansub episode I'm more than willing to see another...and the second one is waiting to be viewed.

The doll seems to me to be a cross between Mrs. Peel and Mary Poppins, but mostly Mary Poppins. She has that no-nonsense-brooking, victorian looking, Brittish sensibilities aura about her. This can only be good news for a kid who really needs a nanny.

Maybe she can help him get over the compulsive disorder of ordering occult items online.

NoSanninWa

2004-11-02, 01:02

Thelastguardian

2004-11-02, 03:56

for a kid who really needs a nanny. Surely Shinku is (seemingly at least) only 8-9 years old. I don't think the usage of the word "nanny" is justify here :) (typical sterotype "nanny = older woman")

Just a side note, when Shinku slapped Tomoe , I look at him, and two things popped into my mind.

1. He looks as if he turns crazy and he is going to do something to the doll
2. Gosh that expression he had looks just like Shinji in EVA :)

Trax

2004-11-02, 05:46

Shinku is a doll, and I think she may be hundreds of years old (not sure what era that first scene in the first episode is, I suck at history). Only her appearance is that of a toddler. ;)

Edit: victorian era comes to mind, which (I looked it up :p) was from 1839 to 1901. So 100-200 years old *if* I'm correct.

daedalus6

2004-11-02, 07:05

I see a very promising series on the horizon, I hope it continues like that :D

Yes I agree. Hope they don't settle just introuducing another doll every ep.

Heh when I saw first ep. I so hated the male lead! But after shinku slapped him I was so happy. And after she made him her bitch I was hooked!

In ep 2 I was glad to see that those crazy hairstyle shinku has is not just for the show. It's also for bitch-slapping. :)

My Friend said this is some overcute anime for 2-year olds. I think that is just not true eve judging for the first few images out of the opening. God damn he is crying blood!

Btw. does anyone know where I could find a nice good quality picture of shinku? I could use this poster and divide it into pieces and then enlargen every piece before printing to get a nice big poster for my room!

The picture where male lead (I allways forget his name) is kneeling down before Shinku and kissing her rose ring.

Trax

2004-11-02, 07:30

Besides some humorous parts I have a feeling this anime could become pretty dark (hopefully), so I don't think it'll be for 2 year old at al. Has he actually watched these first few episodes?? Also the op&ed both have some unorthodox music, I love the eery ed sound especially. The op lyrics are pretty freaky aswell, and I love the moment in the op animation where Shinku turns her head sideways unsmoothly so you actually realize the creepyness of an animated doll. :)

jonny-mt

2004-11-02, 14:15

Surely Shinku is (seemingly at least) only 8-9 years old. I don't think the usage of the word "nanny" is justify here :) (typical sterotype "nanny = older woman")

Our Episode 3's almost to my QC, so I just scanned through the episode to get a feel for what's going on before the .ssa file winds up in my hot little hands. Well, a new character shows up and announces that it's been 586,920 hours 37 minutes since they last met. I'll leave you to do the math on that one ;)

Tiamat's Disciple

2004-11-02, 14:31

Our Episode 3's almost to my QC, so I just scanned through the episode to get a feel for what's going on before the .ssa file winds up in my hot little hands. Well, a new character shows up and announces that it's been 586,920 hours 37 minutes since they last met. I'll leave you to do the math on that one ;)

Dang!!! thats about 24455 days or 67 years old (give or take, i couldnt be bothered to work it out fully, counting for leap years and crap :P ) shes a granny!!!! hehe Atleast i now understand why she has that superior grandma attitude, its cause she IS a grandma :P

hmmm has anyone figured out what the first few minutes are about? I've just about fried my brain trying to figure it out. I get she had another servant, being the girl, but what was that entire thing about, there has to be some meaning to it, but ill be damned if i can figure it out.

KoroshiyaX

2004-11-02, 14:47

Here's huge screenshot spoiler for Ep4

http://www.brideofchucky.com/pixclips/images/photo08.jpg

j/k :)

Kensuke

2004-11-02, 15:12

hmmm has anyone figured out what the first few minutes are about? I've just about fried my brain trying to figure it out. I get she had another servant, being the girl, but what was that entire thing about, there has to be some meaning to it, but ill be damned if i can figure it out.
I don't know what that all about, but it looks like Shinku is brought to life then, and the little girl abandons her, for some reason Shinku don't enslave her or they break their connection.
If we assume that this series takes place 2004, that (give or take) 67 years puts that first scene around 1937 or later, in arictocratic british family. Again I assume that Shinku was locked in that box for 67 years and so she couldn't meet anyone, before Jun opens that box. Its possible that we will see that girl later in this series, she would be between 70 and 80 years old.

Trax

2004-11-02, 15:25

Tiamat's Disciple

2004-11-02, 17:44

That's about 67 years. Hm not as long ago as I thought then. Ofcourse it was hard to tell what timeperiod that took place in to begin (and again, i suck at history) with but that sounds right too. :)

It LOOKED like the english victorian period, but originally i kept telling myself it couldnt be that, this is anime, its all in japan lmao

But yeah, its around the victorian period, but i really want to know what the first part of episode 1 was about, i hjope they clear that up soon otherwise its going to cloud the show for me :(

EtherNEZ

2004-11-02, 19:19

So far so good :) . I won't usually jump on the bandwagon until at least a couple of episodes are out but it's sufficiently different to everything else I've seen so far this year to be interesting.

Shinku is... unintentionally quite amusing, I particularly like her 'slap' style - most painful ^^, and also :

Episode 2:

Toilet tea room - "Ah, this room smells nice..." XD ,
and of course, all attempts to leave a room with a doorhandle will end
in frustration. Though, if she can fix a window as easily as that, why can't she just turn the handle??

I'm also not sure who I feel more sorry for now; Hina Ichigo or Jun! :heh:

Bracken33

2004-11-03, 15:57

...why can't she just turn the handle??

I think she prefers to bully around her servant Jun :D.
Maybe she does not want to waste energy for such banal things. That would of course mean that she is going easy on Jun.

MartAnimE

2004-11-03, 16:52

I know I shouldn't be posting this here, I hope the mods forgive me :uhoh: , but I'm trying to download ayu's episode 1 and 2 torrents and there ain't any seeds, I'm still at 0%... I posted at the resharing torrents thread to but I got no answer :( so, since you guys must have downloaded the files already, I was wandering if you could reshare them, please? Thanks in advance and sorry for the inconvinience...

EDIT: I got an answer already! Thanks Taliesin! so it's a problem with the tracker... ok I'll just wait... In the meantime, and since I haven't really read the previous posts, could you guys give me a little review and tell me what is this show about without spoiling it to much? I really want to watch it cuz I've been told this is from Bee-Train.

Trax

2004-11-03, 17:19

It's not from Bee Train but from Nomad afaik. Still want a little review? :P

randall

2004-11-03, 20:34

Thelastguardian

2004-11-03, 21:58

Btw. does anyone know where I could find a nice good quality picture of shinku?
http://67.19.185.135/Images/m-71-20041017009.jpg

daedalus6

2004-11-04, 13:09

Thanks for the pic. If only it was without the texts. Well I will find a way to edit those off. Thanks. Il use that.

EV|RockLee

2004-11-04, 23:28

one of my top 5 series for the fall season. very fun, very interesting.

YAY!

Za Paper

2004-11-05, 00:13

Shinku is already one of my favorite characters of the season. Her prim and proper attitude is just so funny.

SCR512

2004-11-05, 04:26

This is gonna sound really bad since I fansub this show but:

Ya, I finaly watched my own "work" and this show so far is awsome.... the whole bitch slap maddness in ep 2 was hillarious not to mention the toliet scene... Ep 3 and 4 start getting more in depth with the story. Personaly I am intrested about how this "Alice Game" works out. I agree with most of you guys here, if it keeps with the moody darkness then this should be a good watch... but its so easy for the producers to screw this one up... but... I have faith... don't pull an Avenger!

randall

2004-11-05, 09:11

oh damn SCR, u worked on it?
how come i know nothing of it? =X=X=X=X

since u worked on it, i shall not touch it
*deletes rozen and bans Ayu*

im a cute little doll =p

Takemi_Ikazuchi

2004-11-05, 12:46

Watched episode 5.

Note to self: Dolls can be both viscious and dumb

Next episode: more Suigintou. Yay!

MartAnimE

2004-11-05, 17:44

It's not from Bee Train but from Nomad afaik. Still want a little review? :P

Ok, not from Bee-Train, no need for review thanks, I already watched the first episode, this looks good :) It's kinda like a mix between Le Portrait de petit Cossette and Revolutionary Girl Utena (because of the rose thing) :heh: The opening theme by Ali Project is great, and I also like the music by Mitsumune Shinkichi, the character designs look cute and the art is beautifull, very bright colours... the story ain't bad either :heh: I wanna see more of this! :)

Hikata

2004-11-06, 05:46

oh damn SCR, u worked on it?
how come i know nothing of it? =X=X=X=X

since u worked on it, i shall not touch it
*deletes rozen and bans Ayu*

im a cute little doll =p

Omg Randall o.O;;
How can you delete MY work and AYU's work!?!? o.o;;;
and how dare you ban ayu!! >.< *goes to corner and cries*
Don't you love us like you did before???

Anyways, as the episode goes on, rozen does gets interesting =D
You'll get to meet new characters and their backgrounds!
Hope everyone will enjoy this anime until the end =)

chucky

2004-11-07, 21:24

It is a nice series: it is so anti-Otaku (like Genshiken) and anti-climatic
in every possible way. What a piece of Brechtian work to dissisipate the
aura around anime!

Kensuke

2004-11-08, 08:02

Spuffy

2004-11-08, 09:03

jonny-mt

2004-11-08, 15:55

I'm kind of suprised that neither of them used the 1024x576 captures.
They look like this (guess I should have saved it as a png):

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload5/rozenscreen.JPG

Come to think of it, didn't AF-F's Misaki Chronicles releases also have this resolution?

I'm not 100% sure whether or not those are the raws that are going into the encoding, but I know at least Ayu has them, since I used them for my softsub QC. I imagine one of our encoders could come along and give you a laundry list of technical reasons why we're using the resolution we are, so I'll refrain from that for the time being since I know next to nothing about encoding. For reference, though, they're in .mkv format and weigh in at somewhere between 400-500 megs each.

Well...all right, that's two reasons there, but I'm betting they've got more ;)

SCR512

2004-11-08, 16:25

I'm not 100% sure whether or not those are the raws that are going into the encoding, but I know at least Ayu has them, since I used them for my softsub QC. I imagine one of our encoders could come along and give you a laundry list of technical reasons why we're using the resolution we are, so I'll refrain from that for the time being since I know next to nothing about encoding. For reference, though, they're in .mkv format and weigh in at somewhere between 400-500 megs each.

Well...all right, that's two reasons there, but I'm betting they've got more ;)
Oh yes there is some reasons, lets brake it down shall we?

A:raw sizes are huge, in order to retain that resolution we would have encodes in excess of 233 megs.

B:using a resolution that high will put off some of the viewers that have slower computers, generally the higher the resolution the more CPU time it takes.

To answer the question: Yes we are using these raws. We decided to encode ours at 768x432 as opposed to Akeep's 704x396. We felt that with the raws available, we should retain as much resolution at the expense of file size. Personally, @ about 233 an episode and this series being 12~13 episodes this works out fine.

Then again, I'm not the encoder, but common sense tells me that these were the likely reasons. ^__^

Spuffy

2004-11-08, 16:39

With the risk of being annoying. AF-F released Misaki Chronicles with 1024x576. If you check at anidb you see they were around 198-206 MB for each ep, and I remember them looking really nice, so regarding filesize I don't think there should be any problems. But I can buy the playback issues on ancient computers. The raws in question use ~40% cpu on my P4 3.0 with full post processing.

Anyway, thank you for your replies.

lamer_de

2004-11-08, 16:47

Different shows compress differently. I remember the Tsukihime 856x480 (or similar) raws being 200MB. Now, those Rozen raws approach the 0,5GB for a single episode. Besides, there really is no point in keeping such huge resolutions. Anime does not feature the detail level of live-action movies, where you have film grain, the structure of skin etc pp (where higher resolution might offer a real increase in information). So, there's zero to very small advantage of a higher resolution.

Also, fansubs are not meant to replace commercial releases, and even DVDs don't feature HDTV res, so less incentive to buy DVDs if you have a higher resolution version already, don't you think?

CU,
lamer_de

SCR512

2004-11-08, 16:58

Reguarding the quality argument:

Besides, we should be greatful we have nice Digital-TV rips for these episodes... I remember the beginnings of the digisub scene were we had RM and Analog sources =(

Yes, lamer_de makes the best point: if the show intrests you enough, then when its relased here in the states get the DVDs. Believe it or not we're not in the buisness of providing alternatives to the "real deal".

Just rememebered something: Most of the time (correct me if I'm wrong on this) when these shows are shown on a HDTV network (BS-i,ATX etc) in order to get that nice huge resolution they super sample the source to attain the desired resolution. I have no idea what the source resolution is but if this is the case, then retaining that orginal resolution has no great positives if everything is already stretched and smoothed out.

Muir Woods

2004-11-11, 02:31

Just watched 03. :
Dolls need to eat? :confused: . Anyways, LOL at dolls watching dolls on TV. That's just somehow feels disturbing. So Shinku finally figured out how to open doors: with an umbrella. That's fine and dandy until they encounter a door with a spherical knob :heh: . He says he dislikes kids, but isn't he one? So Jun has an aversion to the outside world and people in general. I wonder what caused this. Bully? Broken heart? Parents died of tragic accident? (by the way, where are their parents? I don't see any adults in their house, just Jun and Nori). Episode 02 gave us a hint, but we use a Jun centered episode to explain why he became like this.

I had a few beers before watching this episode, so forgive me if my thoughts are choppy... :heh:

Onizuka-GTO

2004-11-11, 06:06

Actually Jun is suffering from depression and bullying

He is Hikkikomori (I think that's how you spell it)

Its the cultural condition suffered by 71% of male teenagers, that have no social interaction skills, suffering from bullying, fear of the outside they lock themselves in their rooms, play games, miss school and refuse to come out for nothing.
Some have been known to suffer up to 6yrs before slowly recovering and coming out again to pick up their broken lives.

Its a very serious problem and isn't help by the "softly-softly" approach ingrained into Japanese health professions and society in general, where even the parents fear getting help, in case the neighbours find out.

:(

It's great that Jun has a great sister, who is trying to help him.

I guess it takes a western approach to help Jun, hence his dutch wif- er i mean Rozen.

and dammn she's a cute little, doll killing thing.

I want to get one for my sisters. (honest! Not that i don't want one too....)
:D

I'm too lazy to type it out again. :D

But i hope that answers your question about Jun, Muir woods
and here are some articles on it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/2334893.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/correspondent/2336883.stm

Trax

2004-11-11, 09:06

Saw episode3 yesterday and episode4 today. Jun is finally getting a few moments of 'clarity' now and then, although generally he's still being obnoxious. The 'evil' doll Suigin Tou can apparently visit at any time, can't they put a lock on that mirror? :heh: She was the one that sent the clown in the first episode, although I'm still not sure why it attacked Jun while he wasn't even Shinku's "servant" yet. Then again, it looks like Suigin Tou likes to toy with people for her amusement.

Then in episode 4 there's the gardener doll (1 out of 2 according to things that were said, and ofcourse the opening animation), now Jun is stuck with 3 of them already. At this rate he'll get the complete collection soon hehe. This odd ensemble of dolls might be the right combination to get through to him, Shinku puts him in his place, Hina Ichigo is innocent and generally cheerful, while Susei Seki is afraid of him. I wonder why she hates humans, it's probably also the reason she came to Shinku. Sesei Seki did trust him a little more at the end, it was a nice gesture to remove the demarkation line.

Kensuke

2004-11-11, 09:43

Heh, soon Jun has a harem of dolls in his room.

Episodes 3 & 4
Suigin Tou seemed very powerful, even Shinku's attack was easily stopped by her, so I wonder what is her powersource as Shinku uses Jun, and she even gives Hina ability to move.
I only quess that why she send that clown doll to kill Jun in first episode, because she didn't want him to be her "servant", when she somehow knew that Shinku was awaken again.

Ep. 4 really gives you a good look to Jun's mind, but didn't give any clues about what happened to him. But clearly they are trying to heal him, especially Seki (creat symbolism, Seki as a gardener and Jun as tree :heh: ).
And where these dolls came from? Seki just drops Jun's room through window.

daedalus6

2004-11-11, 09:45

[QUOTE=Trax][spoiler=ep3+4]Saw episode3 yesterday and episode4 today. Jun is finally getting a few moments of 'clarity' now and then, although generally he's still being obnoxious. The 'evil' doll Suigin Tou can apparently visit at any time, can't they put a lock on that mirror? :heh: She was the one that sent the clown in the first episode, although I'm still not sure why it attacked Jun while he wasn't even Shinku's "servant" yet. Then again, it looks like Suigin Tou likes to toy with people for her amusement.

Heh in manga it was not clown but Winnie pooh! Why didnt they have winnie pooh in anime? :twitch:
Trademark issues?

daedalus6

2004-11-11, 09:49

oh damn SCR, u worked on it?
how come i know nothing of it? =X=X=X=X

since u worked on it, i shall not touch it
*deletes rozen and bans Ayu*

im a cute little doll =p

I have to thank you. You really really saved my crappy day when I saw 2 eps of rozen maiden in animesuki!
Good job thanks.

Now I don't even mind the pain after surgery yesterday:)

Kupop

2004-11-11, 10:11

I have to thank you. You really really saved my crappy day when I saw 2 eps of rozen maiden in animesuki!
Good job thanks.
Oh pffft! randall didn't do anything for the Rozen Maiden project. :p And with the next HDTV raw coming out tomorrow, it shouldn't be long before we release ep 5 as well. :D

Edit: Oh, and on another note... in regards to SCR's comment about the raws... the raws themselves are 480p (native reso 852x480). While the actual reso of the raws may be larger, that's mainly because of the fact that it's scaled so that it can be displayed on an HDTV with a higher native reso. In other words, encoding it to any resolution with a Y greater than 480 is pretty much just wasted space anyways. :p If you think about it, 768x432 is pretty good considering the fact that you get a kick-ass resolution and can still fit three eps on a CD (sorry, all of you 175 MB people).

daedalus6

2004-11-11, 12:16

Oh pffft! randall didn't do anything for the Rozen Maiden project. :p And with the next HDTV raw coming out tomorrow, it shouldn't be long before we release ep 5 as well. :D

Well really my comment was ment for all you guys. You rock! :bow:

Muir Woods

2004-11-11, 14:10

I'm too lazy to type it out again. :D

But i hope that answers your question about Jun, Muir woods
and here are some articles on it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/2334893.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/correspondent/2336883.stm

I remember that post, but thanks for the links anyways. I've read through it and; "Mothers will care for their sons until they become 30 or 40 years old." That line disturbed me the most. Anyways, what I was trying to say in my half drunken state was what exactly pushed him over the edge to become a "Hikikomori", because you don't all of a sudden become an introvert (01 hinted that he was healthy before). There must be a reason (they never explicitly showed/explained why Jun is like that). But after watching 04, I think I may have found my answer. :eyebrow: at the Seki's eyes.

Tiamat's Disciple

2004-11-11, 15:02

I remember that post, but thanks for the links anyways. I've read through it and; "Mothers will care for their sons until they become 30 or 40 years old." That line disturbed me the most. Anyways, what I was trying to say in my half drunken state was what exactly pushed him over the edge to become a "Hikikomori", because you don't all of a sudden become an introvert (01 hinted that he was healthy before). There must be a reason (they never explicitly showed/explained why Jun is like that). But after watching 04, I think I may have found my answer. :eyebrow: at the Seki's eyes.

Just watched 03. :
Dolls need to eat? :confused: . Anyways, LOL at dolls watching dolls on TV. That's just somehow feels disturbing. So Shinku finally figured out how to open doors: with an umbrella. That's fine and dandy until they encounter a door with a spherical knob :heh: . He says he dislikes kids, but isn't he one? So Jun has an aversion to the outside world and people in general. I wonder what caused this. Bully? Broken heart? Parents died of tragic accident? (by the way, where are their parents? I don't see any adults in their house, just Jun and Nori). Episode 02 gave us a hint, but we use a Jun centered episode to explain why he became like this.

I had a few beers before watching this episode, so forgive me if my thoughts are choppy... :heh:

Agoraphobia (the fear Jun has) can spring up rapidly, but the vast majority of sufferers are born with it in a small way, and it grows over the years. It normaly becomes a problem during puberty, and can become a serious problem if its not handled.

Episode 2 shows the critical point for him, there was an event during school which was the catalyst and sent over, though he was probably alreadyu showing signs of it.

Most agoraphobics who are children are set off due to peer pressure from school and bullying, which can increase their inferiority complex to breaking point.

Episode 1 explains where the parents are, and part of Jun's problem. the parents are working abroad, and Jun sees this as them abandoning him, that coupled with the above situation was probably all that was needed to send him over the edge, though having a sister like that he probably feels safer on his own hehehe

Takemi_Ikazuchi

2004-11-11, 15:16

It's explained in episode 4.

He became an introvert because he couldn't keep up with expectations of society.

He did very poor academicallly, and became more and more bitter with each passing day.

Finally, he gave up.

NoSanninWa

2004-11-11, 17:43

Episodes 3
Suigin Tou seemed very powerful, even Shinku's attack was easily stopped by her, so I wonder what is her powersource as Shinku uses Jun, and she even gives Hina ability to move.
I only quess that why she send that clown doll to kill Jun in first episode, because she didn't want him to be her "servant", when she somehow knew that Shinku was awaken again.
My feelings about Suigin Tou:
I think that noone really sees what happened in episode 1. She clearly didn't send the clown to keep Jun from forming a pact with Shinku. If she had, then she would have actually tried to kill Jun. Sending the clown gave Jun the incentive to form the pact in order to save his life. The clown then hung out and waited for the pact to be formed. Only after Jun had made his pact did the clown unleash his real attacks.

It seems to me that she WANTED Jun to form a pact with Shinku and sent the clown to make it happen.

The question is what her motives were for wanting this. Perhaps she just feels it would be boring if Shinku didn't have a servant. She does like to play her games after all...

Kensuke

2004-11-11, 18:40

My feelings about Suigin Tou:
I think that noone really sees what happened in episode 1. She clearly didn't send the clown to keep Jun from forming a pact with Shinku. If she had, then she would have actually tried to kill Jun. Sending the clown gave Jun the incentive to form the pact in order to save his life. The clown then hung out and waited for the pact to be formed. Only after Jun had made his pact did the clown unleash his real attacks.

It seems to me that she WANTED Jun to form a pact with Shinku and sent the clown to make it happen.

The question is what her motives were for wanting this. Perhaps she just feels it would be boring if Shinku didn't have a servant. She does like to play her games after all...
Yes, that make sense, but then she fooled even Shinku althought she defeats the clown very easily. I would suspect that Shinku had no objections to make Jun servant, so the clown's appearence served also Shinku's goals.

Doll that uses humans as a kind of dolls... well, they did exactly what she wanted.
But because Shinku and Suigin Tou are enemies, then the real question is why she did that, maybe if she defeats Shinku she gets her powers and Jun. :heh:

Bracken33

2004-11-12, 09:55

Agoraphobia (the fear Jun has) can spring up rapidly, but the vast majority of sufferers are born with it in a small way, and it grows over the years. It normaly becomes a problem during puberty, and can become a serious problem if its not handled.

Being a little bit psycho himself Dr. Bracken33 does not agree with you :heh: .

Maybe I am wrong but Jun´s behaviour looks more like he has soziophobia. He is afraid what other people might think about him, this causes his angst. He wants to avoid his feeling of angst so he avoids people.
That is why he is camouflaging himself. Judgement by aquaintances like classmates is esspecially painfull.

People with agoraphobia can be pretty social in their own appartment or house (even party animals). They enjoy the company of others there.
On the other hand people with soziophobia would have no problem to take a walk in the wilderness alone (at least if they don´t have other phobias). This would be horror for people with agoraphobia, because agoraphobia often goes along with panic attacks.

My guess is that Jun would have no problem leaving the house if he would be a farmer living in a remote farm, because there would be no people near.

Tiamat's Disciple

2004-11-12, 10:40

Being a little bit psycho himself Dr. Bracken33 does not agree with you :heh: .

Maybe I am wrong but Jun´s behaviour looks more like he has soziophobia. He is afraid what other people might think about him, this causes his angst. He wants to avoid his feeling of angst so he avoids people.
That is why he is camouflaging himself. Judgement by aquaintances like classmates is esspecially painfull.

People with agoraphobia can be pretty social in their own appartment or house (even party animals). They enjoy the company of others there.
On the other hand people with soziophobia would have no problem to take a walk in the wilderness alone (at least if they don´t have other phobias). This would be horror for people with agoraphobia, because agoraphobia often goes along with panic attacks.

My guess is that Jun would have no problem leaving the house if he would be a farmer living in a remote farm, because there would be no people near.

I live with an agoraphobic :)

She's suffered from it since school and is slowly coming out of it. Agoraphobia is both a fear of going outside and people. Sal is fine so long as she's in the house, but when its time to leave she goes through hell. And when people want to come into the house, i have to drag her away from the door to let them in.

Like most phobias there are levels, Sal sadly has a really bad agoraphobia, it takes her an hour to open the door to go to work, and by the time she does she's sweating buckets.

Agoraphobia and Anthropophobia (the proper term for soziophobia heheh) are in truth closely linked and related, and are most likely to occur together, each adding to the problem. Jun shows he is most likely both by the reaction he has in the second episode when Tomoe visits (Anthropophobia), and then when he has to leave the house to get Hina's favorite food (Agoraphobia).

To be honest i like this show more for the fact it has these elements in thim, im really looking forward to how they're handled. And now we have a doll with the same fears it should get even better.

Bracken33

2004-11-12, 13:13

:topicoff:

She's suffered from it since school and is slowly coming out of it. Agoraphobia is both a fear of going outside and people. Sal is fine so long as she's in the house, but when its time to leave she goes through hell. And when people want to come into the house, i have to drag her away from the door to let them in.

That is strange. So agoraphobia also includes fear of people, I did not know that.
You probably have already guessed it: I am a Soziophobic. The proper english term for my desease seems to be "social anxiety disorder=SAD".
I have absolutely no problems leaving the house as long as I am sure to meet nobody. So basically I have no fear to go outside.

Agoraphobia and Anthropophobia (the proper term for soziophobia heheh) are in truth closely linked and related, and are most likely to occur together, each adding to the problem.

Yeah, they probably overlap a lot. I also have other nice mental stuff :D.

MidoriShinobi

2004-11-13, 02:10

I just started watching this, since I love gothic lolita fashion, etc.

Well, I really like it a lot! I think the dolls are so cute, and the story is great.

I like the music, too. The OP is rather haunting, in my opinion.

TronDD

2004-11-13, 11:55

That is strange. So agoraphobia also includes fear of people, I did not know that.

If you read the wikipedia article on agoraphobia you can see how it includes a fear of people.

It's interesting to see a character with a real disorder as opposed to the typical, no friends but no real reason why and everything works out in the end just because.

I'd say I have SAD, too. Anytime I see a show with a character like above, I think "It's not really that easy." I'll bet it ends all hunky dory for this kid too, though. :P

daft27

2004-11-13, 16:15

I find the portrayed struggle with agoraphobia in Rozen Maiden quite interesting since a lot of the character development in this series is directly related to Jun's progress made to overcome agoraphobia.

On a different note, I just got the Avenger OST and I just noticed that the songs for both Avenger and Rozen Maiden were done by Ali Project (correct me if I'm wrong).

TronDD

2004-11-13, 16:20

On a different note, I just got the Avenger OST and I just noticed that the songs for both Avenger and Rozen Maiden were done by Ali Project (correct me if I'm wrong).

You're correct. There is no mistaking it. Both OPs sound pretty much the same. :) I'm not complaining, though. I like them both.

Spuffy

2004-11-13, 17:50

Ep5 was kind of unexpected (not storywise). Allthough the preview at the end of ep4 kind of hinted it, I really didn't expect something like this. My question after watching this:
Did they put drugs in the animators' coffe??? The animation for this ep is just wacky and even more wacky. I really liked it though because animation like this gives me a good chuckle. I just didn't expect something like this from this one.
And here (http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload1/collage.JPG) is a collage from ep 5 (Suiseiseki mostly). Suiseiseki is my favourite doll, especially after this ep.

sarcasteak

2004-11-13, 18:21

AzureLight

2004-11-14, 06:07

Bwahahaha, ep5 reminds me of what Kanoso is to Kanon XD

sarcasteak

2004-11-14, 06:46

Bwahahaha, ep5 reminds me of what Kanoso is to Kanon XD
What's Kanoso? I've never seen/heard of it... :(

MakubeX2

2004-11-14, 06:51

What's Kanoso? I've never seen/heard of it... :(

Doujin soft which mix DBZ,Fist of North Star and lots of grabage in with the story and characters of Kanon circa 2000.

Ending

2004-11-14, 07:41

Watched first episode and quit laughing out loud; I simply could not believe how naîve the characters were. "Kiss my ring and be my buddy -or that clown will kill you." Riiight. :heh:

Trax

2004-11-14, 08:34

How is that naive? It's not like getting a visit from a snobby doll and a killer clown is an everyday thing. And she did need someone to extract power from or otherwise she wouldn't be able to get rid of it. :)

Ending

2004-11-14, 13:28

Timeless Enigma

2004-11-14, 13:29

I'm glad I didn't drop this series. Episode 3 was pretty good. From episode 3, I hated Jun... then I realized we have similar traits :uhoh:. I understand his position. He's quite a good guy deep inside.

Yay, episode 4 has another Maiden. Will she job to Shinku as well?

daft27

2004-11-14, 22:32

Er... because dolls that look like a clowns are supposed to be scaaary when equipped with a pack of cards? Oh, ones that sit down nicely while the Redhood and "hero" have a little chat. :heh:

Simply no; that anime has been aimed for a bit too young people. How old the protagonist was again...? There you have it. :p
I dunno about you, but clowns have always been scary. I think the audience for might be a little older than you think if you consider some of the themes involved. Agoraphobia, "The Game" (or was it called Alice?) which essentially is mortal combat, master servant roles, unstable emotions and who knows what else...

Kaoru Chujo

2004-11-15, 00:28

Simply no; that anime has been aimed for a bit too young people.It shows in Japan at 1 a.m. Thursday nights, so I don't think it's aimed at young kids. It seems rather a mature show to me, dealing with real psychology against a dark fairy-tale background.

AzureLight

2004-11-15, 02:38

It shows in Japan at 1 a.m. Thursday nights, so I don't think it's aimed at young kids. It seems rather a mature show to me, dealing with real psychology against a dark fairy-tale background.

Yes I agree - The opening theme and the scenes itself looks very dark. Kinda like all the anime Ali Project sings in.

Ending

2004-11-15, 09:03

It shows in Japan at 1 a.m
Which might also mean that the serie is considered so bad that they use it as a filler for late-night hours, not wanting to waste prime-time. ;)

I think the age of the protagonist gives a bit clearer hint of the age-group in aim. You probably have noticed this trend in anime where all heroes tend to be 15-year old kids at 7th-9th grade, so I'd guess that is what the industry thinks of their general public. :p

dreamless

2004-11-15, 10:23

if they consider it to be so bad even before it starts to air, they may well stop wasting money to produce it. Being aired at midnight and with all those loligoth dolls inside practically mean it's aimed at otakus.

Kaoru Chujo

2004-11-15, 16:02

If you look at the lineup, it's striking how many anime are on after midnight and are therefore probably aimed at people old enough to be up at that hour: Beck, Rozen, Tsukuyomi, Futakoi, Nanoha, Grenadier, Genshiken, Final Approach, WWish, Monte Cristo, Uta-Kata, Kakyuusei, Kannazuki. Here is the list prepared by AndrewLB:
http://www.andrewlb.com/fansub/pukiwiki.php?Fall%202004

It is based on the fuller list in Japanese at Moon Phase:
http://www.moonphase.cc/Html/anime.html

Rotweiler

2004-11-15, 19:54

Which might also mean that the serie is considered so bad that they use it as a filler for late-night hours, not wanting to waste prime-time.

Uhm, no. If the series is bad to begin with, they wouldn't even consider making an anime out of it. There are so many manga that an anime producer can choose to turn into anime but they choose this one. It's because Rozen was based on a popular manga by Peach-Pit which was serialised in BIRZ. BIRZ is targeted mostly to teenagers and not kids because some of its contents are not really appropriate for kids. Gravitation, for example, was one of the titles that was included inside BIRZ for girls.

As for not being able to get into prime-time slot, not many anime are able to make it into prime-time slots because the cost is prohibitive. In order to get into the prime-time, you have to have a lot of budget and a generous sponsor. For example, Yakitate Japan manages to get a prime time spot because it's backed by a large supermarket chain Lawson. Otherwise, it wouldn't be able to afford the insanely-priced half hour slot of prime time TV estate.

NeoSam

2004-11-16, 07:08

FYI Birz comic is targeted at male audience, its a shounen magazine, so Rozen Maiden is also shounen.

look here : http://akane.pos.to/link-ru/book/04zassi.htm (japanese site)
many other sites also classify Birz comic as a shounen magazine.

so it can't be that Gravitation was serialized in it. (maybe it was serialized in Birz comic girl's collection)

Birz comic: shounen magazine (targeted at male audience)

Birz comic girl's collection: targeted at female audience (don't know if its shoujo or josei)

Birz comic SP: don't know

Birz comic Deluxe: don't know

does someone know who is the target audience of Birz comic SP and Birz comic Deluxe?

Rotweiler

2004-11-16, 17:03

so it can't be that Gravitation was serialized in it. (maybe it was serialized in Birz comic girl's collection)

*sigh* that's what I said:

Gravitation, for example, was one of the titles that was included inside BIRZ for girls.

although, I should have separated the sentence from the previous one so people who just skim-read don't confuse it.

Zafo

2004-11-16, 18:39

It's just 67 years since those two met. Thus implies thier great age. I belive it's well into 150 or 200 years as suggested.

Zafo

2004-11-16, 18:47

Anime-Keep also has released first two episodes, their filesize and resolution are smaller (175 MB, 704x396) compared to Ayu's (~229 MB, 768x432), so if you want to pick up either group they both have advantages.
Anime-Keep translated opening credits and seiyuus in ending, so that is definitely good in my book.

Screenshot comparisons:
http://xs2.xs.to/pics/04111/rm_ayu1.jpg

http://xs2.xs.to/pics/04111/rm_keep1.jpg
http://xs2.xs.to/pics/04111/rm_ayu2.jpg

http://xs2.xs.to/pics/04111/rm_keep2.jpg
http://xs2.xs.to/pics/04111/rm_ayu3.jpg

http://xs2.xs.to/pics/04111/rm_keep3.jpg
http://xs2.xs.to/pics/04111/rm_ayu4.jpg

http://xs2.xs.to/pics/04111/rm_keep4.jpg
http://xs2.xs.to/pics/04111/rm_ayu5.jpg

http://xs2.xs.to/pics/04111/rm_keep5.jpg

How dare they make those differences! I mean, Japanese is EXACTLY like English!

You don't just go toa perticular fansub group because of things like codec, resolution and filesize, or speed of subbing, but also thier understanding and interpretation of Japanese into English. That then becomes a taste thing. Personally, I think A-Keep is staying closer to the original Japanese, but Ayu is trying to traslate meaning, rather then words. So it's really up to whomever which they prefer.

NeoSam

2004-11-16, 20:09

*sigh* that's what I said:

Gravitation, for example, was one of the titles that was included inside BIRZ for girls.

although, I should have separated the sentence from the previous one so people who just skim-read don't confuse it.

sorry about that ^^;;

I thought you meant by "BIRZ for girls" that Birz comic is shoujo.

as to Birz comic Girl's Collection its a comic imprint and not a magazine.

Birz comic: targeted at male audience(shounen magazine, Rozen Maiden is serialized in it).
Birz comic Girl's Collection: targeted at female audience(comic imprint, shoujo or josei).

Takemi_Ikazuchi

2004-11-17, 01:56

ep.6

It's time for Suigintou to herself a servant. Shinku kicked her ass pretty badly in her own field.

dreamless

2004-11-23, 15:23

I find the male lead actually becoming more and more likeable as the show progresses, that's actually some good character development... however it seems there's more and more romantic development between him and Shinku :twitch: I still think Tomoe is better than a doll :heh: Suigintou is still the coolest, for dolls that is :p

Ending

2004-11-23, 17:40

"The heart that is about to stop."
"My heart is about to stop."

I sense a small translation mistake, unless *someone's* heart is really going kaput. :heh:

AzureLight

2004-11-23, 19:39

Back to the question of Ayu vs A-Keep, I hope A-Keep corrects Ayu's wrong OP lyrics, but other than that, I will stick to Ayu, not because they're fast, it's also because they are going for the meaning behind the translations. As a song translator I favor more on meaning than literal translation.

And ooh yes, Suigintou is gorgeous, I wanna hug her. And the VOICE! Rie Tanaka (Lacus, Mariel, Chii, etc.)! Her voice is sexy <3

dreamless

2004-11-24, 00:01

"The heart that is about to stop"? that sounds funny :heh: on the other hand "my heart is about to stop" sounds fine...

Kupop

2004-11-24, 00:41

but other than that, I will stick to Ayu, not because they're fast, it's also because they are going for the meaning behind the translations.
I sure hope the reason isn't because we're fast because, truthfully, we aren't. :heh:

Oh, and for the record, even though I'm the second editor for the series, I didn't actually have anything to do with the editing of the songs. :innocent: *whistles innocently to himself*

"The heart that is about to stop"? that sounds funny :heh: on the other hand "my heart is about to stop" sounds fine...
You're saying it sounds funny without even considering the next part of the lyrics. :twitch: That isn't the full line.
Here are both parts:
http://img123.exs.cx/img123/7929/lyricspart1.jpg
http://img123.exs.cx/img123/2508/lyricspart2.jpg

USCPharmacist

2004-11-24, 03:16

Kid and doll, sounds like banable material by the Religious Rights, both Christian and Muslim.

BonBon

2004-11-26, 18:41

Like THAT'S ever bothered us anime watchers...

Srin Tuar

2004-11-26, 18:46

episode 8:

That game of hide and go seek they were playing at the
begining was a little strange. I didnt imagine shinku was
into being chased and picked up like that....

Onizuka-GTO

2004-11-26, 18:56

Kid and doll, sounds like banable material by the Religious Rights, both Christian and Muslim.

We should make that a flagship slogan for Rozen Maiden, it'll shift copies like Aids in a Catholic Co-Ed University during Fresher's Week.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Muir Woods

2004-11-27, 14:26

Yes, I'm aware I'm behind, but I finally saw episodes 05, 06, and 07 (Chinese Subs). I only had about 80% comprehension, and I have a hangover watching those episodes (from last night's CS: Source + Beer binge with friends for hours on end). Anyways...

Episode 05 was pure childishness, hilarious childishness :heh: . The strawberry drama: That evil manipulative little Seki secretly ate the strawberry on Hina's strawberry cake, and blamed it on Hina herself. Hina sulks in Jun room and Nori warns if everyone doesn't make up by dinner, she won't cook (apparently their favorite food) flower-shaped egg on hamburger. Result is that Jun & Hina barricade themselves on the stair top, Seki and Shinku on bottom. Various (amusing) ways are used to persuade other to surrender, especially that truth-proving alligator, and Seki got bitten. LOL, Shinku gets charmed by Jun's Kon Kon doll, but Hina got charmed too! LOL! The chibi forms used further adds to the hilarity of the episode, or it could be an excuse to save animation money :rolleyes: . In the intro of the show, there's a boy who has a crush on Nori. Nori read the boy's letter, but apparently refuses a date because she has an appointment to eat cake with people at home (Jun and dolls) :twitch: .

Beginning of 06 was funny was well. Everyone, except Jun, was afraid of being alone after watching a scary episode of the police detective dolls. When in Suigintou's realm, Jun and company sees a dilapilated motionless doll. Then Shinku said something about "eventually one day we'll become like that". Does that mean that every moving doll eventually will become like a regular doll? Or just when they lose at the "Alice Game"? I’m not too clear on that part. That battle against the Crow-like Suigintou reveals a bit of Jun's feeling for Shinku. And to my surprise, Jun can sew! He sewn together that clowned doll, after getting ripped apart by the crow feathers of Suigintou, and revived him, which is apparently a very unique skill. At the end, Shinku faints!

07 was spent mostly trying to awake Shinku. Beginning was funny ways of trying to wake Shinku up (50 alarms, hurting Jun to see if Shinku will protect him, Kon Kon persuasion). But Jun did some research online and went to the library to find a book about Rozen Maidens, but the book weren't there. The books were being stored at the middle school. Jun has to confront his fear went to the middle school, but is flooded by pained school memories and went home and sulked about being a useless man instead. But on the 2nd try, aided by Tomoe-chan, he gets the info he's looking for. Ended up the reason that Shinku was asleep (supposedly dreaming about stuff), is because there was a crow feather stuck in hole in her back. There are further hints that Jun has feeling for Shinku. LOL, Nori reject's the boy's gift of a new Lacrosse stick, just like that. Poor boy.

I'm really liking this show. I'm still going to download the English versions so I can understand the finer details of the show. Also, the Chinese version weren't widescreen versions :sad: . Oh well...

LK_LoA

2004-11-28, 03:30

I just seen ep 1-4. So far, nice character designs but the story doesn't seem to go anywhere interesting yet. The nice things are the small touches like Shinku having magical power but is unable to reach the door-handle. XD

AzureLight

2004-11-28, 05:18

Trax

2004-12-03, 12:38

*bump* Ep5+6 are out.

Nothing of real importance happens in episode 5, Suisei Seki is pretty misschievous here and it was pretty funny with all the chibiness and Shinku's fascination with Kun-Kun.

In episode 6 things get more interesting, when Suigin Tou decides to pay a visit again and grabs Hina Ichigo to lure Shinku to her 'world'. Here, they almost get defeated, but for some reason Jun supplies a huge power surge to Shinku which allows her to fend of Suigin Tou and free Hina Ichigo. The odd thing is that both Suigin Tou and Shinku were surprised by this, I guess this may get explained later on. Also, Jun manages to fix a doll and it gets its soul back, this is probably related too. But why does Shinku 'pass out'? Going by the preview she falls into some kind of dream state.

Ansible

2004-12-03, 13:04

Woohoo! Glad to see 5+6 out. Thanks Ayu!

Wandering_Youth

2004-12-03, 16:47

Hao Asakura

2004-12-03, 19:48

Heh, episode 6 tis funny and dramatic which is the kind of thing I like. :heh: It was sort of odd seeing all the characters suddenly becoming deformed when they were fighting but it was quite entertaining seeing Shinku swindled by Jun using Kun kun. I think the anime is going a bit fast because Seki had a sudden personality change. She was introduced in episode 5 to be a shy and timid doll while now in episode 6 she is evviiill! I wish this anime were longer because episode 7 felt totally rushed because Tou just appeared suddenly and Shinku has to go fight her in her own realm and won in just one episode.

By the way, I was wondering if they had a term or name in French for people who are masters at making dolls? Any French guys know?

I really do like Hina Ichigo more and more as the show goes. Ep 5 is simply fun and entertaining filler. Really can't stand seeing Seki's and Ichigo's chibi faces (that's what i called MOEEEEEEE :heh: )
Ep 6 is rather serious since Suigin Tou came in contact with Shinku again. This time they let us know a bit more of Alice game.
Nice job Ayu for bringing us these 2 episodes :bow:
Looking forward for ep 7 as the end of ep 6 is such a cliffhanger.

Btw Wandering_Youth, u messed up with the episode numbers

SeedBoy

2004-12-03, 20:00

I really do like Hina Ichigo more and more as the show goes. Ep 5 is simply fun and entertaining filler. Really can't stand seeing Seki's and Ichigo's chibi faces (that's what i called MOEEEEEEE :heh: )
Ep 6 is rather serious since Suigin Tou came in contact with Shinku again. This time they let us know a bit more of Alice game.
Nice job Ayu for bringing us these 2 episodes :bow:
Looking forward for ep 7 as the end of ep 6 is such a cliffhanger.

Yep, I started to like Ichigo more as well because of episode 5. It was a really fun episode and the way she acts, soo cute.

Onizuka-GTO

2004-12-04, 10:37

yeah, loved episode 5, this is the first time i've seen Shinku act as a bashful feminine type!!!

She must really like kun-kun :heh:

it was so out of character for her, i guess we all have our weak points! ehehehehe
And episode 6 shows us that we have some hidden strong points too... :)

Krevnik

2004-12-04, 10:55

Kid and doll, sounds like banable material by the Religious Rights, both Christian and Muslim.
You know, that depends. If we get some sort of bizarre setup where Shinku is 'turned into a real girl' by Father a la Pinnochio, the Christian right would allow it (Why? No clue). Of course, one thing that seemed a little unusual is that Sugin Tou (sp) is much larger than the other three introduced. Something close to 4 feet! Is there some effect on size from the Alice game, as I would expect that Tou would have tore her way through a few of the Rozen Maidens by now (i.e. The more Mysticas you collect, the more life size you become).

USCPharmacist

2004-12-04, 12:15

Naw the religious right doesnt like magical stuffs anyway. To them there is only God's power or miracles and nothing else. But I was only joking about banning cuz if we are talking about nut cases like religious extremists, then we should know that they don't need a reason to do anything to restrict other people's freedoms.

BTW the names of the dolls in Kanji sound a lot better then in English cuz those name actually has meaning like "Shinku" means True Red, and Shingen Tou means mercury lamp. The name kind of give out the looks and personalities of the dolls.

Srin Tuar

2004-12-04, 12:44

BTW the names of the dolls in Kanji sound a lot better then in English cuz those name actually has meaning like "Shinku" means True Red,

her name makes me think of "辛苦" instead.

dreamless

2004-12-04, 12:56

her name makes me think of "辛苦" instead.
well, that's why the names don't look as good in english as in kanji, Shinku is 真红 , which sounds quite fitting to her character too ;)

Bracken33

2004-12-04, 15:55

Thanks again Ayu.

I really liked episode 6.

I hope Shinku can be easily "fixed".

Lance

2004-12-04, 20:42

This show is unexpectedly great. I like how the dolls are completely different in personality and how the VAs fit their roles perfectly.

BTW the names of the dolls in Kanji sound a lot better then in English cuz those name actually has meaning like "Shinku" means True Red, and Shingen Tou means mercury lamp. The name kind of give out the looks and personalities of the dolls.

真紅(Shinku) (http://www.tbs.co.jp/rozen-maiden/menu/chara/shink.html), 雛苺(Hinaichigo) (http://www.tbs.co.jp/rozen-maiden/menu/chara/hina.html), 水銀燈(Suigintou) (http://www.tbs.co.jp/rozen-maiden/menu/chara/suigin.html), 翠星石(Suiseiseki) (http://www.tbs.co.jp/rozen-maiden/menu/chara/suisei.html), and 蒼星石(Souseiseki) (http://www.tbs.co.jp/rozen-maiden/menu/chara/sousei.html) are the Kanji names. Someone please clarify their meanings. :bow:

EDIT:

To Vallen Chaos Valiant: Thanks for the help. I added links. :)

Vallen Chaos Valiant

2004-12-04, 21:37

This show is unexpectedly great. I like how the dolls are completely different in personality and how the VAs fit their roles perfectly.

真紅, 雛苺, 水銀燈, 翠星石, 蒼星石 are the Kanji names. Someone please clarify their meanings :bow:

Thank's, Lance. I've been looking for the name of the Rozen Maidens for some time.

Here is what I believe the names mean: (feel free to correct me if I am wrong.)

真紅: True Red (as others mentioned, linked to her powers in rose petals?)

雛苺: 雛=immature, small, wet-behind-the-ears.. 苺=Berry.
Therefore Small berry/young berry. (note her powers are linked to berry vines.)

水銀燈: 水銀=Mercury 燈=Lamp. Not sure if it's linked to her powers in any way.

翠星石: 翠=one-half of a word that means emerald. I suspect it implies the colour 'green'. 星石=Star stone/star jewel
Therefore 'Green star Jewel'

蒼星石: 蒼=an old Chinese word for 'blue', usually used to describe the sky. 星石=as above. Star Jewel
Therefore 'Blue star Jewel'

Hope this helps.

Have a nice day.

Marine-RX179

2004-12-05, 01:17

It's more or less like the definitions that Vallen Chaos Valiant said, but just to add to what he said:

"蒼星石: 蒼=an old Chinese word for 'blue', usually used to describe the sky. 星石=as above. Star Jewel
Therefore 'Blue star Jewel'"

Instead of saying 蒼 is an old Chinese word for 'blue' (I'm not saying you are wrong), I think it's more appropriate to say it's 'blue' in Japanese kanji, since it still frequently being used in Japan in present days and oftenly it's part of the Japan family name, while Chinese rarely even use this word modern day life to represent 'blue' anymore (usually you may only find it being used in books/novels like on myths and legends etc)

Takemi_Ikazuchi

2004-12-05, 02:22

Suisei Seki = Jade
Sousei Seki = Lapis Lazuli

Wandering_Youth

2004-12-05, 03:13

I really do like Hina Ichigo more and more as the show goes. Ep 5 is simply fun and entertaining filler. Really can't stand seeing Seki's and Ichigo's chibi faces (that's what i called MOEEEEEEE :heh: )
Ep 6 is rather serious since Suigin Tou came in contact with Shinku again. This time they let us know a bit more of Alice game.
Nice job Ayu for bringing us these 2 episodes :bow:
Looking forward for ep 7 as the end of ep 6 is such a cliffhanger.

Btw Wandering_Youth, u messed up with the episode numbers

Meh, it's pretty cold all day around during the winter so my fingers are always a bit numb. :(

On-Topic: I just want to retract my assumption that Shinku isn't a French made doll, instead her true origin is actually from Germany. Judging by the snapshots of the books she reads during episode 6.

chucky

2004-12-05, 04:58

水銀燈: 水銀=Mercury 燈=Lamp. Not sure if it's linked to her powers in any way.

It is terrible Chinese: in many cases you cant break the sentence/term up and
translate the meaning of each segment and then put them back together. It will never work.

It is true that 水銀=Mercury 燈=Lamp. But 水銀燈 (as a whole ) just means
spotlight.

Btw, anyone knows German here? I guess the names have more to do with
the German meanings than the Chinese ideographs here..... Well i dunno
but it is painfully obvious German plays some key role in this anime.

mikeon

2004-12-05, 05:02

I loved episode 5. So much cute chibiness

I loved how Seki is so EEVILL!!! :eek:

dreamless

2004-12-05, 06:36

well, episode 3 has the title 水銀燈 and "Mercury Lamp" under it.

蒼 is pale blue, more often used to describe the sky or something old and grand.

翠 is avid green, more often used to describe something fresh and lively.

for 真紅 True Red, I think apart from the use of rose, it also has a touch of honor and elegance to it.

Reticia

2004-12-05, 13:55

Baka chibi-ichigo :heh: :heh:
I laughed a lot during this episode. I especially liked the kun-kun part :D

Muir Woods

2004-12-08, 17:50

Time to give this thread a bump. I just saw episode 08 and 09 that's been sitting on my harddrive for a couple of days (been studying hard for final exams, just wrote my Physics 101 final, 4 more to go :upset: ).

Another doll is introduced. Suisei Seki has a twin sister similiarly named Sousei Seki. Sousei Seki has eyes just like Suisei Seki, except the colors of her eyes are switched. Sousei has a green right eye and a red left eye. Her master (an old watch fixing man) calls her "Kazuki" (could be wrong with this romanitization) though, after their son. For some reason her master's wife is in a coma. Sousei Seki has a huge gardening scissor as her weapon, a nice compliment to Suisei Seki's growing plant power. I love her stovetop hat. Heh heh, Suisei Seki's punch sure packs a whallop :heh: .

09 reveals and ties up the story in 08. A lot of talk about dreams of the old man and her wife, and traversing through them. The old man's dream is a realm of clocks. Her wife, a complete white blank. Long story short, they both wake up in the end. Suigintou is there in both the episode to be evil again. Was Suigintou trying to strip the rest of the dolls of their powers? I'm not too sure what she was doing.

jonny-mt

2004-12-08, 21:47

Another doll is introduced. Suisei Seki has a twin sister similiarly named Sousei Seki. Sousei Seki has eyes just like Suisei Seki, except the colors of her eyes are switched. Sousei has a green right eye and a red left eye. Her master (an old watch fixing man) calls her "Kazuki" (could be wrong with this romanitization) though, after their son. For some reason her master's wife is in a coma. Sousei Seki has a huge gardening scissor as her weapon, a nice compliment to Suisei Seki's growing plant power. I love her stovetop hat. Heh heh, Suisei Seki's punch sure packs a whallop :heh: .

09 reveals and ties up the story in 08. A lot of talk about dreams of the old man and her wife, and traversing through them. The old man's dream is a realm of clocks. Her wife, a complete white blank. Long story short, they both wake up in the end. Suigintou is there in both the episode to be evil again. Was Suigintou trying to strip the rest of the dolls of their powers? I'm not too sure what she was doing.

Niggling point of order, but Sousei Seki is a guy--Suisei Seki's fraternal twin. Admittedly, I haven't watched 9 yet (I'm only posting right now to avoid doing my sociology reading because it bores me to death...stupid global cities), but his clothes and constant use of 'boku' give it away in 8. Now c'mon, did you think they could make it all the way through an anime about dolls without putting in a gender bender ^_^

Muir Woods

2004-12-08, 23:13

Niggling point of order, but Sousei Seki is a guy--Suisei Seki's fraternal twin. Admittedly, I haven't watched 9 yet (I'm only posting right now to avoid doing my sociology reading because it bores me to death...stupid global cities), but his clothes and constant use of 'boku' give it away in 8. Now c'mon, did you think they could make it all the way through an anime about dolls without putting in a gender bender ^_^

I had an inkling about that too, but Suigintou refered to Sousei as Suisei's sister (at least, that's how it was translated). So that kinda convinced me Sousei was a female. But boku isn't exclusively used for males, is it? Because I heard some anime girls use "boku" as well, such as Sakura in Da Capo.

Princess_of_Hell

2004-12-09, 00:47

Here is a document that I found, that is about the word BOKU:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:qiq7Y7MIvNMJ:www.lsa.umich.edu/ling/nwav33/files/2.doc+boku+female&hl=en

stormy001_M1A2

2004-12-09, 10:15

According to manga, Shinku suppose to lose her right hand to Suigin Tou in second fight. The 1st time she got problem is easily remedied when the boy turns the key in her.

I do wonder if anime will cover that.

Jun braved some test from the rabbit dude with Suisenki's help to retrieve Shinku's missing limb, and as the result, he won her affection sort off.

jonny-mt

2004-12-09, 14:36

I had an inkling about that too, but Suigintou refered to Sousei as Suisei's sister (at least, that's how it was translated). So that kinda convinced me Sousei was a female. But boku isn't exclusively used for males, is it? Because I heard some anime girls use "boku" as well, such as Sakura in Da Capo.

Well, I went back and checked and...you're right! Shinku says that Sousei Seki is Suisei Seki's "futago no imouto"--'younger twin sister'. I knew about the nonstandard use of 'boku', but I was under the impression that it was mostly reserved for songs and for extremely skilled/tomboyish girls. I guess when you watch through the raw during a short break in studying a couple of things slip under the radar. And, of course, had my brain been working on something else besides schoolwork, I would have remembered that Shinku refers to the Rozen Maidens as "sisters" in the episode where Suisei Seki is first released.

Ah, well. At least my "gender bender" comment is still valid :heh:

dreamless

2004-12-13, 14:14

catching up with the series Souseiseki is LOVELY!!! :love: And this series is definitely becoming more and more interesting and surprises me in character development and depth.
oh, and it seems Suigintou is somehow quite obsessed with lactic acid drinks, both in anime and in manga :heh:
http://s02.imagehost.org/0991/mercury_lamp_drink.jpg :love: :love:

USCPharmacist

2004-12-13, 14:27

What the? she looks almost cute? Is she not as evil in the manga as in the anime?

Spuffy

2004-12-13, 19:06

http://s02.imagehost.org/0991/mercury_lamp_drink.jpg
I think Sugintou looks kind of too cute in that image. In the anime she is rather creepy after all. They sure found a good voice actress for her as well. Fits her perfectly.

And I just had to make a gif of Shinku from the Ep10 preview.
http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload0/shinku5.gif

USCPharmacist

2004-12-14, 03:30

So where are the GI Joe dolls? ehehehhe They'll fight each other to take each other's purple hearts to get to President Bush.

Kensuke

2004-12-14, 16:37

More pictures, Shinku this time. :D

http://s05.imagehost.org/0437/shinku.jpg

Muir Woods

2004-12-19, 16:27

Whooo hooo, I finished all my university finals yesterday! So I finally have time to watch some anime, and watched 10 and 11 that's been sitting on my HD for a while.

Beginning of episode 10 Suigintou visited Shinku's dream world and had a chat, setting a time to have a deciding battle for Rosa Mystica. Battle time is set on 11 PM the following night at the M realm (Suigintou's realm). Heh heh, when the dolls were acting out the story of Snow White was kinda funny. Jun was the prince, Shinku was Snow White. Jun blushed at the thought of kissing Shinku :heh: . And Jun blushed some more when Nori took off all the dolls' clothes to wash them (they were wearing only a white peice of clothing underneath). It's not like they're anatomically correct (are they?). Then end of the episode Shinku revealed more about what the Alice Game is about. Apparently the winner of the Alice game who collects all the Rosa Mystica, becomes Alice, some kind of a tremendously beautiful entity. It seems that Jun has an interest in cars as well :heh: .

Episode 11 begins the battle. To have a "no medium assisted" battle, Suigintou trapped Jun into his own dream world, filled with computers. Jun is bombarded into submission by his painful past. This is where Jun's past, and why he is like this, is revealed. Apparently Jun was an exceptional student, who got great marks on exams. Many students thought all he ever did was study and school work. But when he failed an exam, and on top that he had a hobby of sewing, classmates made fun of him (called him "tailor" boy). But Nori and other dolls comes to rescue Jun from his dream world. Jun comes to the rescue of Shinku, and like stormy001_M1A2 said, who's right arm was ripped away by Suigintou in battle.

Seems like the next episode will wrap up the battle. Who's this "father" entity that Shinku keeps mentioning about?

USCPharmacist

2004-12-19, 17:11

Damn the preview make the next episole sounds like the last. nooooooo

Laurie-chan

2004-12-19, 22:55

My favorite is Hina Ichigo. She makes me laugh. :heh:

ele

2004-12-20, 10:38

Damn the preview make the next episole sounds like the last. nooooooo

I certainly agree, qith a title "I am shinku" or something, it does make it look like it's the end. Initially thought it was a 13 ep. show though. Still one of the best of the season

USCPharmacist

2004-12-20, 21:52

BTW do dolls feel pain or are they more afraid of being broken, because that will mean they'll be discarded and be forgotten?

snoopy007

2004-12-20, 22:26

Suisei Seki is so funny when she's in chibi mode! >_< With her red and green eyes... =3

grey_moon

2004-12-22, 11:03

BTW do dolls feel pain or are they more afraid of being broken, because that will mean they'll be discarded and be forgotten?

I watched the chinese subs and Shinku looked like she was in pain when her arm was ripped out and she looked like she was going into shock afterwards. Watching the chinese subs when I can't read chinese is a Bad Thing(TM) it left my head swirly with even more questions. Thank you Muir for the spoilers since that cleared up for me why Jun is the way he is. The funny thing is with the eng subs I was left at a cliff hanger on ep 6 and with the chinese subs i am on another cliff hanger on ep 11, no more cliff hangers pls!!!

Hello everyone and Merry Christmas

Muir Woods

2004-12-25, 20:40

Awww, Shinku so cute when she cries, and also when she's not wearing her hood and when she lets her hair down. Jun fixes Shinku's arm, subsequently, the battle against Suigintou is won, and dies in a blue flame. *Gasp* Suigintou is an incomplete doll. Their "father" never finished making her. Lots of touchy-feely emotional talk about Jun. Long story short, Jun is a changed man. He's become much more confident and better as a person. The dolls disappeared for a while, and they came back with lots of noise and everything's back to "normal". It seems like Jun is stuck with the dolls :heh: .

Hmm...there were no previews at the end of the episode. 12 the last episode right? It says there's 13 episodes at AnimeSuki, and at main site (http://www.tbs.co.jp/rozen-maiden/menu/story/story.html) it seems there's only 12. I felt episode 12 ended pretty definitively... :confused: . Just in case this is the final episode, I'll have my final thoughts: This anime was better than I thought, and exceeded my expectations. Funny at beginning, moving at end. All the characters were likable (well, except Suigintou of course). Nori is such a cute big sister. I thought the VA for Shinku was perfect. Has a slight holier-than-thou tone, but vulnerable and delicate when needed. A better anime of this season, I liked it a lot :D .

USCPharmacist

2004-12-26, 00:21

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO....Suigintou....why!!!!!!!!!!!!! [sob] damn we need to find that father and #$#%%

Srin Tuar

2004-12-26, 00:44

Funny at beginning, moving at end. All the characters were likable (well, except Suigintou of course). Nori is such a cute big sister. I thought the VA for Shinku was perfect. Has a slight holier-than-thou tone, but vulnerable and delicate when needed. A better anime of this season, I liked it a lot :D .

I move to agree.

So many recent shows really left me unsatisfied at the end:
Kannaduki no miko, Samurai 7, Melody of Oblivion, Tenjo Tenge, etc, etc.

I like endings that are either happy or sad, or heck even lukewarm non-changing ones like Rozen's was. Anything beats "cheezy mind fuck"/"We couldnt think of an ending"/"so confusing you can draw your own conclusions"/"we ran out of budget and decided to stop animating properly"/"we'll make the ending so unclear its impossible to know what happened"/etc.

Any show that starts off taking itself seriously shouldnt become a complete cop-out near the end, imo. Rozen at least stayed in tune to the very end, and I appreciate that much :)

Even though I disliked our snot-nosed protagonist to the very end, this was a good series. (the no-parents bit is a tad overused, but you cannot hold that against any particular show (Mommy and Daddy onegai) )

What I want to know, and what I would ask Shinku, is if she would really kill of hina ichigo in order to complete the game.

USCPharmacist

2004-12-26, 00:57

What game? There are only like 5 of them and 4 of them still kicking, and Shinku didn't even take Suigintou Rozen Mystica. I think the game is a big plot hole if you ask me, although I still love the show. I meant, I would really hate to see them fight each other and kill each other....wait the minute, maybe that's what the father wanted. He wants to lure the dolls to think being perfect is everything, but in reality, learning to accept imperfection and giving up on becomeing Alice while surrounded by friends is what turn the dolls to "Alice" a.k.a. humans. What a slide dog the father is. Poor Suigintou didn't understand this and she pay for the price. Actually, as much as I hate what Suigintou did I wish they can redeem her and have all five of the sisters live together, maybe to have Jun finishes her or something later.

Takemi_Ikazuchi

2004-12-26, 02:20

This anime had potential

It was unique
The characters were interesting
The pacing was solid

....
.......

but in the end, the much anticipated drama didn't deliver what it promised...

I would consider this a solid B anime. One step above mediocre, but it's worth to watch based on its unique charm alone.

On another note, I heard the manga was lightyears better.

USCPharmacist

2004-12-26, 03:19

Hope for 2nd season, finger crossing.

Bracken33

2004-12-26, 10:06

This anime had potential
but in the end, the much anticipated drama didn't deliver what it promised...

I would consider this a solid B anime. One step above mediocre, but it's worth to watch based on its unique charm alone.

On another note, I heard the manga was lightyears better.

I somewhat expected this after episode 5, so I asume you are right. Too much comedy imho. But I will watch the rest of the show, so far I still think its good.

Raptor

2004-12-26, 11:33

In my opinion this was definitely 1 of the best this season.

the ending didnt allow much room for a second season

Muir Woods

2004-12-26, 13:01

I somewhat expected this after episode 5, so I asume you are right. Too much comedy imho. But I will watch the rest of the show, so far I still think its good.

Is there such thing as too much comedy :heh: ? Well the humor do subside later.

In my opinion this was definitely 1 of the best this season.

the ending didnt allow much room for a second season

They never really "finished" the Alice game. You know, the more I think about it, the more I think this whole thing was more about Jun than the Alice game itself...anyways, Shinku did say in episode 12 "If I ever become Alice, I want you to make a me a beautiful outfit". So there is some incentive for a 2nd season. Maybe the 2nd season can finish the game, and someone do become Alice or something like that. Like USCPharmacist said, all we can do is hope :heh: . I'd sure want another season too.

Bracken33

2004-12-26, 16:56

Is there such thing as too much comedy :heh: ? Well the humor do subside later.

Then I am looking forward to see the second part of the show.

USCPharmacist

2004-12-27, 00:32

Lost Souls

2004-12-27, 09:28

*cries*

Only upto episode 6 has been released as a sub, we need more Rozen Maiden, i hope this isnt another MoO, dont know if i could handle another of those.

USCPharmacist

2004-12-27, 11:50

Don't worry there are no Cow dolls.....

Pai

2004-12-27, 13:15

2nd season? I don't know.. I'll appreciate it, but I think it's improbable :-/

randall

2004-12-28, 03:09

*cries*

Only upto episode 6 has been released as a sub, we need more Rozen Maiden, i hope this isnt another MoO, dont know if i could handle another of those.

don't worry, we juz had a little break cuz of xmas... the rest of the series should be out very soon ;D

eugeneyan

2004-12-28, 09:26

I like that part where Jun sewed up the tattered clown-doll, it showed a side of him not often seen, a gentle and caring person. Otherwise most of the time, he is constantly screaming at the dolls or storming off in frustration. The battles between suigin tou and shinku are gonna be awesome, the clash of black feathers and cherry blossom (?, or other type of flowers?) petals is like the good 'ol conflict between good and evil. Flower power! :D

Oh yeah, gd to hear that staff at AYU is just going for the xmas break. Yes, do look forward to ep7 and beyond of Rozen Maiden. Cheers people~!

USCPharmacist

2004-12-28, 12:21

I think they are rose petals, no?

Seravy

2004-12-28, 15:37

I think they are rose petals, no?

yup rose petals. ep 13 was great. definitely one of the best shows this season, and hoping for another run. (suiseiseki <3)

Lost Souls

2004-12-28, 15:52

don't worry, we juz had a little break cuz of xmas... the rest of the series should be out very soon ;D

I kinda figured you had, but i was still having withdrawl :)

And its so annoying when people discuss episodes past those that have been released without using spoilers, since it just rubs in how much ive missed hehehe

Ahhhh well, looking forward to more releases :)

eugeneyan

2004-12-29, 02:45

I think they are rose petals, no?

Oh yes, how unobservant of me, I must've been too attracted by the pinkish glow on those petals... :sad:

ordnance11

2004-12-29, 03:55

no room for 2nd season you say? Ever heard of the phrases "New Enemies....", "The return of...", "The revenge of....", "Alternate Universe...", and the famous "I am from the future to bring you a warning...."

j/k :heh:

Even better...a human girl shows up about Jun's age...with Shinku's features, but with Jun's eyes is the messenger. Watch Jun freak out!

USCPharmacist

2004-12-29, 12:11

Let me guess.....she is a terminator going back in time to kill Jun :heh:

chiam_ace

2005-01-01, 05:59

Just finished watching the chinese subs of Rozen Maiden. Was with A-Keep's subs til ep 04 and I found out that I cant wait anymore, so I went on with Ayu's 05 and 06, and waited and waited, then I got 7-12 from chinese subs.

OMG this anime series is going to kill me! It's on my favourites list now. The story went on very well overall, though it's kinda short :( Starts with intros of dolls, and the funny episode 05 ( I REALLY REALLY liked that episode), and then halfway the plots and characters develop very nicely. Plus the ending is very nice, though I would prefer Suigintou to not die, rather realizes that what she did would not make her the perfect doll. She'd just become nice and...uh, lives with Jun and the dolls. She would make a nice addition to Jun's collection as she's kinda tall :heh: but I guess that's not possible unless they change her eye color, it's evil.

The cuteness of the dolls made me gave in to the anime. I love all of them! Hina Ichigo with her extra cute voice and actions, drawing etc. Suisei Seki is lovely (yes I do think so) while the overusage of "desu" doesnt annoy me, at all. I think it's cute :) Sousei Seki is cool... And finally, Shinku - She has it all. Coolness, beauty, anger, demanding, some humor, and the extreme cuteness!!11 argh I loved it so much when she removes her hood and lets down her hair in ep 12 and sit beside Jun, head laid on his shoulder. She also showed feminine when she cried when her arm was torn away, and in episode 05 towards Kun-Kun....lol.

I have little hopes, but I would really really be pleased and happy if there was a second season. The storyline I'd imagine would be probably Shinku on her way towards becoming Alice with another way, instead of killing the dolls and grabbing their Rosa Mysticas... plsplsplsplsplspls gimme more :help:

Jekyll

2005-12-20, 16:43

I made an archive (http://people.freenet.de/rozendetective/Animesuki_Forum_-_Rozen_Maiden.zip) of this thread's missing pages (12-20). Sadly, a complete copy of page 11 was nowhere to be found, thus about 2 posts are lost.

Ziv

2006-09-19, 23:16

I've been watching it and it's been great up till the somewhat disturbing episode 10.

For one, jun is turned on by the seeing the dolls in their underwear. That surprised me considering there really hasn't been any fanservice at all. (I guess the fact that they're loli dolls is enough)

but what really freaked me out is this scene:
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2325/tje0.jpghttp://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1729/weresiblingsnk4.jpg
WHERE THE HECK DID THIS COME FROM!?

Blablabla

2006-09-20, 00:18

So there were an other Rozen Maiden Thread... 2 Threads, 300 pages both together.... best series ever ^^

Lost

2006-09-20, 08:36

Wow, I completely missed this. Maybe a mod should merge the two; this one before the RM:t thread. :D

grey_moon

2006-09-20, 08:52

Wow, I completely missed this. Maybe a mod should merge the two; this one before the RM:t thread. :D

Geeeeez you have me a heart attack I thought we lost all of them pages!

Lost

2006-09-20, 09:22

^ LOL. Relax, dude. :D

I've been watching it and it's been great up till the somewhat disturbing episode 10.

For one, jun is turned on by the seeing the dolls in their underwear.
Was he turned on? I think he was embarassed...

grey_moon

2006-09-20, 09:38

^ LOL. Relax, dude. :D

Was he turned on? I think he was embarassed...

*Drinks a nice cup of relaxing tea*

@Ziv - re: Nori's dream.... I think we will never know what went on in Nori's mind in that dream and if Sui and Sou did dive into it I think that they maybe shocked :D

the.Merines

2006-09-20, 09:39

Holy necromancy! Keep in mind if the 2 RM threads merge, we'd miss someone hitting 6000.

Ziv

2006-09-20, 11:02

Was he turned on? I think he was embarassed...

This is what he says to himself in his room after he sees them

"Why is my heart pounding!?
They're dolls!
I can't allow myself to get so excited!"

then you have the fact that he was given the opportunity to kiss shinku just shortly before, combined with Nori's mumbling in her sleep all in the same episode, and it gets pretty obvious. I dunno. Maybe they did intend for him to just be embarrased. It just seems like a pretty big coincidence.

grey_moon

2006-09-20, 11:12

This is what he says to himself in his room after he sees them

"Why is my heart pounding!?
They're dolls!
I can't allow myself to get so excited!"

then you have the fact that he was given the opportunity to kiss shinku in the same episode, and it gets pretty obvious.

I dunno, nothing really indicates that he would be turned on by them. He doesn't seem to be your average pervy male lead in a anime. Instead he seems to have all the interests of a "normal" lad, toy cars and cursed dolls etc :p

RM to me doesn't have the attributes of a etchi fan service anime at all, I think in context with the rest of the epis I would say Jun was embarrassed... (I must point out I do realise there are lots on connotations coming from Nori, which could be taken quite badly)

Ziv

2006-09-20, 11:20

I dunno, nothing really indicates that he would be turned on by them. He doesn't seem to be your average pervy male lead in a anime. Instead he seems to have all the interests of a "normal" lad, toy cars and cursed dolls etc :p

RM to me doesn't have the attributes of a etchi fan service anime at all, I think in context with the rest of the epis I would say Jun was embarrassed... (I must point out I do realise there are lots on connotations coming from Nori, which could be taken quite badly)
I guess I'm just too used to seeing anime with excessive sexual innuendo/fanservice.

oh ya, does anyone know what Souseiseki means when she says "I'll pay you back in spades"?

martino

2006-09-24, 13:33

I'm halfway through this series and I'm wondering whether it's just me who has got such a weird and creepy taste: Suigintou is so goddamn CUTE!

Potatochobit

2006-09-24, 13:53

"I'll pay you back in spades"

basically a spade is a shovel so it is similar to

ill pay you back alot.
ill pay you back in shovel loads.
ill pay you back in boat fulls.
ill pay you back seven fold.

Deathkillz

2006-09-24, 14:37

I'm halfway through this series and I'm wondering whether it's just me who has got such a weird and creepy taste: Suigintou is so goddamn CUTE!

nope cause i find her the best RM doll too :heh: i think that 50% of ppl would agree...40% being suisei seki and the rest being the others...but thats just me thinking ^_^

p.s didnt even know that there was a sep thread for the first season :heh:

martino

2006-09-25, 10:57

Really nice sig Deathkillz! :D

I actually felt sad when
Suigintou was "killed" by Shinku. Damn, she was so kawaii!
*goes on to watch the 2nd series*

Lost

2006-09-25, 11:13

martino, you'll be suprised at the amount of Gin fanboys. I was too. :heh: See you in the Season 2 thread soon! :) (Beware, plenty of spoilers in there)

Kikaifan

2006-09-25, 11:17

As much as I liked Suigintou, I didn't mind her death much, and I've definitely been affected by character death before. I guess I just felt like it was the expected outcome for a story like hers.

Live by the sword, die by the sword...

Lost

2006-09-25, 11:22

Hmm, if I remember correctly (its pretty blurred now) I initially felt satisfied (:heh:) when she died. And I didnt like her at that time. It was only later when I saw the same scene again that I began to feel sorry and pity for her. I think Megu helped alot in that respect.

martino

2006-09-25, 12:10

martino, you'll be suprised at the amount of Gin fanboys. I was too. :heh: See you in the Season 2 thread soon! :) (Beware, plenty of spoilers in there)
I'll be there in no time, as I'm already watching episode 2 :D

darkanimeghost

2006-10-08, 00:00

Dark Steno

2006-10-08, 00:55

What you have said is right but the fandom of Rozen Maiden is out of your understanding, perhaps. :>

Lost

2006-10-08, 01:41

darkanimeghost; you need to check out our QnA thread. Its still in the midst of construction; but I promise you that you'll find theres more to RM then you think. We are not fans for nothing. Then again, it might not be your kind of show; if so, sorry and move on I guess. ;)

Dark Steno: Lol at your ava! :D

Shinku

2006-10-20, 18:29

So there were an other Rozen Maiden Thread... 2 Threads, 300 pages both together.... best series ever ^^

i agree, out of all the anime series i watched, Rozen Maiden was one of the best! ^_^

Ziv

2006-10-21, 15:31

the.Merines

2006-10-21, 16:43

no offence to all of you but rozen maiden is compleatley emo with how the story line goes.
to sya this i also have to point out why i mean the guy drops out of junior- high because no one under stands him finds a box and becomes a slave o goody what next you find out there is many parionied dolls in somethingcalled the alice game looking for a goth woman.

Making posts without using basic capitalization and punctuation makes you emo.

+/-end grammar-Nazi mode

Truthfully, I can't understand your post enough to post a real response. "Emo" is supposed to be shorthand for "emotional," which Rozen Maiden is. In fact all media is made to invoke some kind of emotional response. I refuse to accept "emo" as a bad thing.

If you're referring to kids that wear tight black clothes, listen to music that isn't "mainstream," wear too much makeup and have odd hair styles... Grow up. If you think being ridiculed and generally destroying one's future prompting one to withdraw from society is strange, you're in the minority. Everyone wants to run away from hopeless situations. With the absence of Jun's parents as a higher guiding force, he runs away when he can. Besides, if you can find a better storypoint to keep him at home all the time and have a messed up personality, more power to you. Write a manga.

Kikaifan

2006-10-21, 16:48

'parionied?' WTF is 'parionied?'

Lost

2006-10-22, 11:57

Well, thats pretty belated bashing..

grey_moon

2006-10-22, 11:59

no offence to all of you but rozen maiden is compleatley emo with how the story line goes.
to sya this i also have to point out why i mean the guy drops out of junior- high because no one under stands him finds a box and becomes a slave o goody what next you find out there is many parionied dolls in somethingcalled the alice game looking for a goth woman.

Errrrr I think its kinda wrong for a person with Strawberry Panic as their sig to call RM emo.... Unless of course you mean it in a good way :) (the no offence part kinda makes that not possible)

But lets look at your statement from a more serious POV. Is RM emo? Well if u mean emo as in whining about your life and wearing black clothes (the new goth?) and sprouting lots of poetry, then no it is not. If you mean emo as in an show that tugs on the viewers emotions on many levels then yes I would have to agree that it is emo...

As mentioned earlier RM deals with a really serious psychological problem which exists in Japan (probably elsewhere in the world just not reconised). The cause of it hinted heavily in S1 is a very nasty and real situation for many children no matter what country you look in.

I think RM deals with these subjects very well, althrough in a very fantasy way.

*Fanboysim on*

For me there is no part of RM (anime) I don't like. The music is great, the characters are all so memorable, and personally I have fallen in love with most of them, I find myself even wanting to know more about the ones I don't like (the bastard bunny for example). Personally I think that the story is so well told.

I don't think that you have followed the monster thread on ASF because the amount of indepth discussions we have had over 24 episodes is amazing. Just search for any of the posts by Alu about RM will give you a good example.

*Fanboyism off*