View Full Version : Chrno Crusade 2 Discussion (Spoilers)
Rune~Grey
2003-12-02, 19:13
Since the thread that followed posting episode one has gotten quite long, I figured it would probably be for the best to start a new thread for discussion of episode 2 for those who were interested. Please remember to mark spoilers where appropriate. ^_^
Personally, I rather liked this episode, once I got past a couple of my kneejerk reactions to some things showing up much earlier in the anime than they do in the manga. The opening is also different, with scenes taken from this episode replacing the ones that took place in episode 1 - a rather neat little touch, at least in my opinion.
This episode covers chapter 2 of the manga, with a bit more added on and some scenes from much later on abbreviated and transplanted into it in order to introduce a few important characters earlier.
Overall the big focus of this episode are unveiling something of Chrno's true nature, as well as introducing Joshua and Fiore in the modern day at the end of the episode. All of the scenes with Joshua in them are somewhat abbreviated from much larger sections of the manga later on - as a big Joshua and Fiore fan, while I wish that they had been able to show the whole scenes involved, it is nice to see some of the more interesting characters being introduced much earlier that I thought they'd be.
Anyways - another great episode. While I have a few reservations about some of the scenes being so short and out of order, it does open up alot of possibilties for later on, and I'm looking forward to seeing how they handle this series. ^^
damn Chrno look badass when he almost fully transformed. i always wanted to know what his true devil form was since ep1. i cant wait for ep3. i dloaded A-Keep's version they finally got an good raw this time.
Rune~Grey
2003-12-03, 04:02
Episode 3 looks like its going to be the beginning of Asmaria's introduction - although the title makes me wonder if they're going to be doing a bit more with Joshua in that episode as well. But it looks like it'll be pretty close to the manga.
This is a fun arc, as it introduces one of the big characters of the series, and we'll probably get to see Chrno Truth appear in episode 4 if they pace things similarly to how they were in the manga. It looks like they'll be covering two chapters tomorrow. And Relaie - who is a rather fun villian who gives us a bit more of a hint of what's going on with Chrno and our first big fight of the series. ^_^ I'm definately looking forward to it.
Yeesh... When he started to transform, he should be saying things like, 'How can you hurt Rosette!?' instead of 'How dare you hurt my most important contractor?' :p
Anyway, I like this episode desu! Joshua looks pretty cute. But gosh, ain't he evil? :)
I also like the scene how they first met Chrno. I was expecting him to be in his true form rather than in the chibi form. And she wasn't afraid of him either. I like his surprised expression when she gave him sweets/cookies. :D
That was one rocking episode! I can't wait to see the next ep! And I really want to read the manga for this too now. -_-;;; Darn, I will loose money again. Ah well... It's so cute!
Togabito_Ion
2003-12-03, 12:08
Much earlier is an understatement, but I'm quite understanding of the fact that they wouldn't have the room to fit it all in the way it's going. I'm actually quite pleased with how they're doing the pacing change. It hasn't train wrecked off of the same track the manga's been following.
Not yet at least.
I'm hoping that it doesn't do that in the future, though, mind you.
Everything with the events with Joshua have happened in vol 2. They've not really breached the vol 1 ending. I think they are, for pacing's sake, going to work with vols 1-3 together in a flurry, as they're really only introductions... or sort of. The introduction of a character named Rizel is pretty much the ending of all character intros and the time to turn over to the 'apparent' plot... Of course, there's another plot underneath everything happening. :3
The line 'how dare you hurt my most important contractor', actually has more power to it, actually, considering Chrno's past.
Manga Spoiler- Events from vol 6 are mentioned here. :3
Rosette isn't his first 'contractor'. His last one was killed by (A)ion... well, the initial injury was caused by him. Chrno himself killed her in order to save his own life out of instinct.
General Series Spoilers :3 (About true forms)
Simply BEING in his true form takes more power than Chrno has available to him. He's a 'hornless demon'. To my knowledge, there are two others like that in the series, but... my personal guess is that they had a choice, unlike Chrno.
If you -are- interested in seeing Chrno's true form, it does show up on a couple of the manga covers:
vol 2 (http://vorfeed.dragonpalace.net/crusade/images/cc02_cover.jpg) - This vol basically follows the story of how it all began, and what happened to Joshua. It's more of an extended version of what happened at the beginning of the ep.
vol 5 (http://vorfeed.dragonpalace.net/crusade/images/cc05_cover.jpg) - Teehee. It's all (A)ion's fault. :3 That's all I'm saying on this issue. *snickers*
The story of 'Contractor' in the manga actually is one of my favorites of the entire manga. It finally gives you a peek of something that may possibly happen in the series (and does! :3 - Moriyama is a master at preplanning. The 'Dive' that occurs later (vol 3) is for a specific purpose in vol 6. :3 )
That's why I'm really happy with the way they're taking the series. It's really nice, I think. They've got a different pacing, but they're covering all the bases that Moriyama covered, so it's all good in my book. ^_^
IMSabbel
2003-12-03, 13:38
Pissed of Chrno reminded me so much of Dark Schneider from Bastard...
The very same reaction when the babe is hurt... (only DS has a bit more **** in his speech :) )
LeiMagusIII
2003-12-03, 16:13
Yay, the Asmaria arc is next! :)
This is what sold me on the series in the first place.
Transformed Chrno = the shiznit :D
VASH THE STAMPEDE
2003-12-03, 17:46
i asked some people what to start and somone on here recomended chrno crusade.
So i decided to give it a wirl. After the first ep i was hooked. All i can say is BADASS!!
I was suprised when they showed scenes of Joshua and Fiore as well and yes... Chrno in his true form makes him a very bad mofo~ I'm not sure if the series will actually catch up to Vol. 6 since the manga hasn't finished running yet...they might stop it earlier~ I hope they do cover it tho~
Much earlier is an understatement, but I'm quite understanding of the fact that they wouldn't have the room to fit it all in the way it's going. I'm actually quite pleased with how they're doing the pacing change. It hasn't train wrecked off of the same track the manga's been following.
Not yet at least.
I'm hoping that it doesn't do that in the future, though, mind you.
Everything with the events with Joshua have happened in vol 2. They've not really breached the vol 1 ending. I think they are, for pacing's sake, going to work with vols 1-3 together in a flurry, as they're really only introductions... or sort of. The introduction of a character named Rizel is pretty much the ending of all character intros and the time to turn over to the 'apparent' plot... Of course, there's another plot underneath everything happening. :3
The line 'how dare you hurt my most important contractor', actually has more power to it, actually, considering Chrno's past.
Manga Spoiler- Events from vol 6 are mentioned here. :3
Rosette isn't his first 'contractor'. His last one was killed by (A)ion... well, the initial injury was caused by him. Chrno himself killed her in order to save his own life out of instinct.
General Series Spoilers :3 (About true forms)
Simply BEING in his true form takes more power than Chrno has available to him. He's a 'hornless demon'. To my knowledge, there are two others like that in the series, but... my personal guess is that they had a choice, unlike Chrno.
If you -are- interested in seeing Chrno's true form, it does show up on a couple of the manga covers:
vol 2 (http://vorfeed.dragonpalace.net/crusade/images/cc02_cover.jpg) - This vol basically follows the story of how it all began, and what happened to Joshua. It's more of an extended version of what happened at the beginning of the ep.
vol 5 (http://vorfeed.dragonpalace.net/crusade/images/cc05_cover.jpg) - Teehee. It's all (A)ion's fault. :3 That's all I'm saying on this issue. *snickers*
The story of 'Contractor' in the manga actually is one of my favorites of the entire manga. It finally gives you a peek of something that may possibly happen in the series (and does! :3 - Moriyama is a master at preplanning. The 'Dive' that occurs later (vol 3) is for a specific purpose in vol 6. :3 )
That's why I'm really happy with the way they're taking the series. It's really nice, I think. They've got a different pacing, but they're covering all the bases that Moriyama covered, so it's all good in my book. ^_^
after reading those spoilers now you got me curious
What is this whole contractor thing, is it some kind of a deal they made between Rosette and Chrno and what was it about.
Rune~Grey
2003-12-03, 20:55
after reading those spoilers now you got me curious
What is this whole contractor thing, is it some kind of a deal they made between Rosette and Chrno and what was it about.
I can tackle this one - its mainly spoilers for the next couple of episodes, since its during the Asmaria arc that they explain what the relationship between Chrno and Rosette is. So instead of my usual kinda/sorta spoilers, this will be pretty direct - read as you will. ^_^
The contract that is talked about between Chrno and Rosette is a soul binding between the two of them - for Chrno to use his powers, he has to draw on Rosette's soul in order to fuel them. Hence, Rosette has signed her soul over to Chrno in exchange for his services, allowing him to use his powers once again in exchange for her lifetime.
The pocketwatch that Rosette is always wearing serves as a limiter, which keeps Rosette's soul from flying over to Chrno all at once - the watch keeps track of how much time Rosette has left to live, and serves as a way for her to control Chrno's powers. She can, if she wishes, unseal the watch and release a large amount of power to Chrno for a limited amount of time - this release is what allows Chrno to assume his true form for a short time.
Most demons don't need to do so, unless they've been summoned by a demon tamer who is using the contract to bind the demon to his will, because they have their horns, which provide them with power. The contract dramatically shortens the contractors life, in proportion to the amount of power used by the demon. Hence why Chrno urged Rosette to use the Gopsel on the ship in episode 1, rather than allowing her to unseal him.
In this episode, Chrno was trying to open the seal on the watch himself in order to use his true form to protect / avenge Rosette. Which was part of the reason Sister Kate was concerned - Chrno would not only return to his true, much more powerful form, but by forcing the watch he might accidently kill Rosette in the process if he took too much from her.
So the 'kid' form that Chrno uses most of the time is to conserve his energy, as it doesn't take much to maintain - he probably is drawing from Rosette to some extent all of the time, and it reduces how much he uses.
I can tackle this one - its mainly spoilers for the next couple of episodes, since its during the Asmaria arc that they explain what the relationship between Chrno and Rosette is. So instead of my usual kinda/sorta spoilers, this will be pretty direct - read as you will. ^_^
The contract that is talked about between Chrno and Rosette is a soul binding between the two of them - for Chrno to use his powers, he has to draw on Rosette's soul in order to fuel them. Hence, Rosette has signed her soul over to Chrno in exchange for his services, allowing him to use his powers once again in exchange for her lifetime.
The pocketwatch that Rosette is always wearing serves as a limiter, which keeps Rosette's soul from flying over to Chrno all at once - the watch keeps track of how much time Rosette has left to live, and serves as a way for her to control Chrno's powers. She can, if she wishes, unseal the watch and release a large amount of power to Chrno for a limited amount of time - this release is what allows Chrno to assume his true form for a short time.
Most demons don't need to do so, unless they've been summoned by a demon tamer who is using the contract to bind the demon to his will, because they have their horns, which provide them with power. The contract dramatically shortens the contractors life, in proportion to the amount of power used by the demon. Hence why Chrno urged Rosette to use the Gopsel on the ship in episode 1, rather than allowing her to unseal him.
In this episode, Chrno was trying to open the seal on the watch himself in order to use his true form to protect / avenge Rosette. Which was part of the reason Sister Kate was concerned - Chrno would not only return to his true, much more powerful form, but by forcing the watch he might accidently kill Rosette in the process if he took too much from her.
So the 'kid' form that Chrno uses most of the time is to conserve his energy, as it doesn't take much to maintain - he probably is drawing from Rosette to some extent all of the time, and it reduces how much he uses.
Yeah, I already know that. :)
But it's just that I feel that Chrno's words are a little off. :p I do support Chrno and Rosette anyway... :D
Anyway, who was the one who intiated the contract? Rosette or Chrno? And does the transformed Chrno remember that he has another form? Does the 'transformed he' remember the memories of the smaller Chrno?
Rune~Grey
2003-12-04, 00:35
Yeah, I already know that. :)
But it's just that I feel that Chrno's words are a little off. :p I do support Chrno and Rosette anyway... :D
Anyway, who was the one who intiated the contract? Rosette or Chrno? And does the transformed Chrno remember that he has another form? Does the 'transformed he' remember the memories of the smaller Chrno?
Almost all spoilers, mostly for the beginning of volume 2 of the manga.
There's no difference between Chrno and Chrno Truth - they are the exact same person, and simply look different. Part of the nature of demons in Crusade is that they are partial shapeshifters to a degree due to their physical makeup. The main difference is that Chrno has a... small problem with his temper. He's got a long fuse, but once he goes off, the results are rather impressive. So any appearance of his not being quite rational are probably due to the fact that he's gone berserk for one reason or another (which we've only seen happen twice in the manga, once as a flashback where Chrno earned himself the moniker of Togabito Chrno, the Hundred Demon Slayer).
And its Rosette who forms the contract with Chrno, although he tells her about it as a sort of 'last resort' sort of deal after Ion mocks him about running out of power a bit, since he's without his horns and rapidly running out of Astro due to being in his true form. Since the situation at that point was quite dire, Chrno agreed to the contract so they might be able to make a difference, and because he believed that it was at least partially his fault that everything was happening.
As for how long the series will run... if they cut some stuff, and actually stick to about two chapters an episode, they should be able to make it to the end of the series in good time. Although they will probably have to abbreviate some things... its interesting to look forward to seeing how they will handle this.
There's no difference between Chrno and Chrno Truth - they are the exact same person, and simply look different. Part of the nature of demons in Crusade is that they are partial shapeshifters to a degree due to their physical makeup. The main difference is that Chrno has a... small problem with his temper. He's got a long fuse, but once he goes off, the results are rather impressive. So any appearance of his not being quite rational are probably due to the fact that he's gone berserk for one reason or another (which we've only seen happen twice in the manga, once as a flashback where Chrno earned himself the moniker of Togabito Chrno, the Hundred Demon Slayer).
Okie... Can you post both of his 'beserk appearances' and what happened here? A Hundred Demon Slayer? Wow, he's quite strong eh... :)
Togabito_Ion
2003-12-04, 03:35
Okie... Can you post both of his 'beserk appearances' and what happened here? A Hundred Demon Slayer? Wow, he's quite strong eh... :)
Hmm... Depends on how much you'd want to know. I'm not sure if I should reeaaaally post them, actually, because that... somewhat goes into a ton of explanation that will start tearing apart the nice little fabric of the series to reveal the -true- underlying plot of everything. :3
...in other words, I can't explain much without too much spoilery information. Really. I swear to you on this. n.n;;
Hmm... Depends on how much you'd want to know. I'm not sure if I should reeaaaally post them, actually, because that... somewhat goes into a ton of explanation that will start tearing apart the nice little fabric of the series to reveal the -true- underlying plot of everything. :3
...in other words, I can't explain much without too much spoilery information. Really. I swear to you on this. n.n;;
Haha, never mind then. :)
Seriously though, the more I see the spoilers from the manga, the more fired up I am to buy the manga. But the thing is that I only have four dollars! Not enough man... :(
Rune~Grey
2003-12-04, 04:56
Haha, never mind then. :)
Seriously though, the more I see the spoilers from the manga, the more fired up I am to buy the manga. But the thing is that I only have four dollars! Not enough man... :(
Its well worth the wait to see things explained and developed in proper time - this is a very deep series, and they build up a lot of levels of background. The descriptions you asked for are really huge spoilers - and would probably require a small essay about the whole series to explain properly. ^^
Worry not - its definately going to be well worth the wait. ^_^
Its well worth the wait to see things explained and developed in proper time - this is a very deep series, and they build up a lot of levels of background. The descriptions you asked for are really huge spoilers - and would probably require a small essay about the whole series to explain properly. ^^
Worry not - its definately going to be well worth the wait. ^_^
*going nuts* :p
Small essay? Wow, that much to explain eh? Anyway, who's the character in your avatar? Joshua from Chrno Crusade?
Hmm... seems like the anime is catching up with the manga pretty fast. The manga is at volume 6 now, so is it going to end soon?
So far there is still no word on the number of episodes. I am afraid that the anime is going to suck if it's forced to break free from the manga. They usually do when something like that happen. :mad:
Togabito_Ion
2003-12-04, 15:19
Considering Rune's mildly obsessing over Joshua at the moment? Yeah. That's actually from the first act of vol 5. :3 Great scene... creepy scene. T_T;;;
However, yes... In order to explain the situation of the those moments, yeah... that takes a lot of explaning to do. ^-^;;
As for the manga and ending... vol 7 is released, and 8 is in the progress of being serialized at this point and time. I'm not sure we can guess if it's near the ending or not, though. o.o;; I think there are a few wild cards that Moriyama hasn't played yet.
Rune~Grey
2003-12-04, 15:57
It also has the benefit of being the ONLY shot of Joshua in the manga that is in color as well, I should note. ^_~ Everywhere else he's in black and white, unlike most everyone else. Waaah. Oh wait, there is one, but its overdone for being used as a Joshua image, so I liked this one better. ^^
I think the series has been confirmed at 26 episodes - although for the life of me I can't remember WHERE I saw this. So take it with a pinch of salt.
It also has the benefit of being the ONLY shot of Joshua in the manga that is in color as well, I should note. ^_~ Everywhere else he's in black and white, unlike most everyone else. Waaah. Oh wait, there is one, but its overdone for being used as a Joshua image, so I liked this one better. ^^
I think the series has been confirmed at 26 episodes - although for the life of me I can't remember WHERE I saw this. So take it with a pinch of salt.
Haha... So that's Joshua in your avatar eh? He's pretty cute! But very evil... Anyway, are those horns of Joshua in episode 2 belongs to Chrno? :)
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