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a_nevels666
2004-09-03, 12:12
I don't think anyone posted this yet...
Anyway, Bleach is going to be an anime, here's the official website:
http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/bleach/
It starts 5/10/2004 I think...
navi432001
2004-09-03, 14:21
Havent seen the site yet will now but hopefully it has nothing to do with washing sox
hooliganj
2004-09-03, 14:22
This thread covers a lot of the series that are coming up soon, although I don't see why Bleach can't have it's own thread. I know I'm looking forward to it. :cool:
My plan is to make an animated gif of the first scene where Rukia shoves Ichigo's soul out of his body, the effect looked really cool in the manga and I'm hoping to see it in motion. It may become a new avatar. :D
Does anyone know when Its going to become an anime?
My bad, sorry I diden't read the last part of the first post, just clicked on the link.
a_nevels666
2004-09-03, 15:32
Havent seen the site yet will now but hopefully it has nothing to do with washing sox
The main character is blond(ish) so people think he bleaches his hair like Japanese juvinile delinquents do. (He doesn't though.) That's where the title comes from.
It's a shounen action show with some comedy as well, something along the lines of Naruto or Fullmetal Alchemist.
im kinda sad, cuz studio pierrot is doing it....
look what they did to naruto....
maybe thats just me.....
im kinda sad, cuz studio pierrot is doing it....
look what they did to naruto....
maybe thats just me.....
What exactly did they do to Naruto? Follow the Manga to precisely? Have awesome voice actors? Or Make the Lee and Gaara fight to breathtaking for you?
What exactly did they do to Naruto? Follow the Manga to precisely? Have awesome voice actors? Or Make the Lee and Gaara fight to breathtaking for you?
They did a lot of things, like having piss-bad fillers (97 and 99), ruining some of the fights (Naruto vs Kiba in particular) and overall not being able to match up to the greatness of the manga. And they also did Midori no hibi, which is another series I felt they butched a lot.
They did a lot of things, like having piss-bad fillers (97 and 99), ruining some of the fights (Naruto vs Kiba in particular) and overall not being able to match up to the greatness of the manga. And they also did Midori no hibi, which is another series I felt they butched a lot.
Well what animation studio should've done it?
I don't think there are many animation studios that can do a 100+ episode series without having some variation in quality or adding in some fillers.
Besides in my opinion most animes don't match up to their originals anyway.
Im talking about something I know nothing about here anyway I don't even read the Manga for Naruto.:p
Just butting In were I don't belong, don't mind me...
Pierrot is fine, they will make it a big hit. And it's not like anime is expected to be as good as manga anyway. But of course I'm still looking forward it, Bleach anime could be really good. At least the Grand Fisher arc.
the character designs closely resemble those of the manga (Rukia STILL looks a little too much like a boy)
i see this as possible becoming the next naruto/one piece/shaman king
a_nevels666
2004-09-04, 17:24
i see this as possible becoming the next naruto/one piece/shaman king
Well, that's about 99% likely...
It will probably be the next Shaman King. IMO, there are a lot of similarities between these two series. Eventually, both of them become mindless fighting series with nothing but fights and the occasional trainings. And both of them have fights that feature sudden ridicious power-ups and one-hit kills. Well, at least I liked Bleach a lot more than Shaman King....... it doesn't get as messy and repetitive as Shaman King.
As for anime series usually being inferior to the manga counterpart, it's a true fact. However, it doesn't have always have to be that way. Look at FMA, it's an example of a manga-to-anime being done right.
Ambience Blue
2004-09-04, 23:46
whatever it is, I'll be looking forward to it! I asolutely looove Bleach! hooliganj, my first animated av will undoubtedly be KON!!! (possibly when he's getting stomped by Rukia for looking up her skirt XD!!)
sarcasteak
2004-09-05, 00:05
Although I don't have high opinions for Studio Pierrot (see Naruto), I must admit that they are quite suited for a long TV series which Bleach will most likely be. Sub-par art quality, but oh well...yay for animated action sequence!
Im talking about something I know nothing about here anyway I don't even read the Manga for Naruto.:p
Just butting In were I don't belong, don't mind me...Shay, you do give up too easily.
What most of the fans do not even consider the fact that the longer-running series will always compromise, either with filler or inconsistent animation or with some other factors. The reasons should be obvious with the example of the past. Animators can stay true to the script/manga if the show is consisted of no more than 26-52 episodes. Comparing small series with longer running series in the basis of "filler" and "animation inconsistency" is just using poor judgement where the lack of clear thinking is too obvious. Like someone suggested, not every studio will be able to handle big projects such as Naruto or One Piece. I suppose ignorance can be a bliss sometime. As far as I know, FMA is anything but staying true to the manga and the series is also supposed to conclude around the episode 52.
What I would like to understand is how the studio is going to handle another potentially longer-running series without compromising the overall quality of atleast one of the show. The workload should weigh a lot more for that studio compare to their current consignment.
hooliganj
2004-09-05, 03:08
What I would like to understand is how the studio is going to handle another potentially longer-running series without compromising the overall quality of atleast one of the show. The workload should weigh a lot more for that studio compare to their current consignment.
Inu Yasha is going to be ending soon. That's Madhouse, I believe, but it will free up a lot of resources from Shounen Jump's budget to pour into the next smash hit.
Kon would be pretty cool. I might also try to make one of Chad with his power activated, but that's going to take a little while to get to, so I'm starting with Rukia's hand through Ichigo's face. :D
Inu Yasha is going to be ending soon. That's Madhouse, I believe, but it will free up a lot of resources from Shounen Jump's budget to pour into the next smash hit.
Inuyasha is a Shonen Sunday(publisher Shogakukan) manga, not Shonen Jump(Shueisha)... And it's animated by Sunrise.
BTW next Shonen Sunday manga to be animated by Sunrise will be Yakitate!! Japan.
hooliganj
2004-09-05, 13:11
You're right. I hang my fanboy head in shame. :p
I don't think it'll be a problem though. Something will open up, and even if it doesn't, advertising revenue alone on a show like this will probably be enough.
bleach anime should be airing sometime soon and was wondering if any group will be picking up this series?
Enragin_Angel
2004-09-24, 01:26
No, no one is picking up this series.
No wait...actually everyone and their mom is picking up this series.
On here are a list of groups who have announced they are picking up bleach. Remember, these are ONLY the groups who have announced. This won't include all the groups that will pop out of nowhere. I suspect twice as many groups to do bleach than what's on that list.
clem-kun
2004-09-24, 01:58
Oh, joy. A generation of Bleachtards are coming...
Hoshino Hikari
2004-09-24, 02:04
Oh, joy. A generation of Bleachtards are coming...
o-o.. that's not very nice! o-O!!!!!111
a_nevels666
2004-09-24, 04:56
o-o.. that's not very nice! o-O!!!!!111
But it's probably true...
Bleach has plenty of fanboy potential but I never really let that stop me from watching a good show.
But it's probably true...
Bleach has plenty of fanboy potential but I never really let that stop me from watching a good show.
True true. Plus the comic got a fairly big fanbase already.
donna8157
2004-09-24, 14:02
Yeah, this is one series that I'm definitely looking forward to seeing. =D
it's one of the first Shounen Jump series that was brought stateside before the anime ever existed (sandland is the only other one and that one was just riding the fame of Akira Toriyama)
personally i don't care if the art is a little subpar as long as they maintain Ichigo, Orihime, Chad, and Rukia's personalities (especially Orihime!)
oh...and from the site it looks like they already have a MOVIE planned?!
Hoshino Hikari
2004-09-24, 14:52
But it's probably true...
Bleach has plenty of fanboy potential but I never really let that stop me from watching a good show.
True.. Is it gonna be crazy fandom like Inuyasha?! o_O~! Scary. xD
But that doesn't stop me from watching either. ^_^ I can't wait for Bleach!
my schoolmate compared to ruoni kenshin and yu yu hakusho...so is the show like that...will be awsome!
it's one of the first Shounen Jump series that was brought stateside before the anime ever existed (sandland is the only other one and that one was just riding the fame of Akira Toriyama)
personally i don't care if the art is a little subpar as long as they maintain Ichigo, Orihime, Chad, and Rukia's personalities (especially Orihime!)
oh...and from the site it looks like they already have a MOVIE planned?!
No... the movie part is a video i guess... the trailer... i cant wait to see that section open... i want to see the anime in movement...
Hoshino Hikari
2004-09-25, 12:27
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Why did that message by me get deleted? o_O; I don't even remember what I put. T_T;; Don't what?
Pierrot has their BLEACH site up now. There's only the Story, Chracters and Staff/Cast sections.
- http://pierrot.jp/title/bleach/
Ichigo looks pretty good in that picture in the BG. :D But he looks kinda 'bleh' in the Story section. >.>;;
Pierrot seems like a good studio to do Bleach. I am glad for that. It will becoem a smashing hit.
Can't wait to see it.
Burner of Anime
2004-10-03, 21:25
On First reading the manga- I said WTH is Furuba's Kyo/Seiji from Midori no Hibi doing here :twitch: Anymore of his character designs and I'll have to add this guy to the anime clone army of loser male.
About the story itself, I wonder why a houseful of femmes+wierd dad can't figure the lead is cohabiting with an immortal and female angel of death in his closet. Maybe she's invisible to the family :heh: Looking forward to Rukia anyway since it's Orikasa Fumiko in another terminally eccentric role. :heh:
No matter, show will broadcast tommorrow so we shall see if it bombs in execution like TenTen [flashback episodes are bad :(].
hooliganj
2004-10-03, 21:37
I like the flashbacks in TenTen. All the most annoying characters are off screen, although I do miss Bob. :D
They can't see Rukia's soul, because shinigami are supposed to be invisible to anyone who isn't dead, but after Rukia gets the fake body, they should be able to see her just like anyone else.
Ichigo is supposed to be really special, being able to see her while she's on duty, but I think everyone who ends up on the 'squad' has that trait as well - Ichigo, Orihime, Chad, and Quincy Archer. I also suspect that older of Ichigo's little sisters (the one who refuses to admit that she sees the ghosts), and the Childhood Friend (tm) will both eventually develop powers to match the rest of the characters.
And, of course, Don Kannonji will defeat them all with one hand tied behind his back, because he's cool like that. :p
All in all, I'm looking forward to it.
i have a korean subbed promotion video.
the animation looks nice, but i guess its really hard to draw like the original drawings.
voice is not that bad (although i only heard ichigo's voice)
Denen Hiryu
2004-10-04, 00:19
well, for the begining of the topic, what anime is beter then the manga IE berserk manga is way better then the anme BUT the anime is word for word of the manga except no puck made it a girl instead
The promo video was just like I expected. While it was short it did give good picture of what's coming. Ichigo's voice was fitting I guess but the animation style looks indeed little off though thats normal when moving from a comic to an animation. Tomorrow it starts if it's done fine I might well follow it more than just a first episode.
Animizzle
2004-10-04, 12:38
Indeed, I wonder if they'll follow the manga closely or follow their own path.
Bleach has a big world with loads of potential and to follow a different storyline instead of corolation with the manga would't be too bad if it's done good.
Like Yoska said the animation is a bit off and I didn't like Ichigo's voice too much.
but that's (as always) just a matter of getting used to it.
The manga is currently up to chapter 134 so they have loads to go on.
Certainly one to keep your eyes on.
I've read this manga, and the story scheme reminds me of Fullmetal Alchemist in a way, where there's a lot of funny moments combined with some serious situations.
It seems that Bleach is going to be one of the new Anime's coming out. Hopefully it won't be licensed immediately. From what I've seen of the promo just posted today, it looks like the animation is going to kick ass.
I wouldn't be surprised if this anime is one of the most anticipated ones that we have here, along with Naruto.
(My hope is that the licensing companies are put off by the fact that this anime deals a lot with death and the afterlife in a way that's not pc for US sales... but hey, that's just me)
Well, the first episode aires tomorrow. I hope it's good.
DeluxSkillz
2004-10-04, 12:50
it will be good bleach is the shit
Animizzle
2004-10-04, 13:41
are are lad, there is already a bleach thread in General Anime.
Since it's officialy not being subbed YET (i.e. episode 1 hasn't been released yet)
For some reason the mods prefer threads about anime in general anime.
So as soon as ep 1 is on the net the thread will be moved here.
Anyway...go to General anime (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=20024) for now.
and learn you childeren
[B]IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO POST IN AN EXISTING THREAD
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Leo_Otaku
2004-10-04, 17:30
i think it looks fine and really neat only the music SUCKS 0_0
rorosama
2004-10-04, 17:41
This will be the first anime where i read the manga from start to finish(151). I can't frickin wait! It'll be funny seeing ichigo and karin animated with their non-chalant attitude.
Fighter Volk
2004-10-04, 19:06
Speaking of which... does the manga show any signs of finishing yet? I saw lots of new volume 14's over at my local Kinokuniya recently, so I was wondering...
I hope it doesn't stretch out too long. I've only read the first volume, but it was fun and I enjoyed it.
I agree about the bad promo music, though...
Leo_Otaku
2004-10-04, 19:42
Speaking of which... does the manga show any signs of finishing yet? I saw lots of new volume 14's over at my local Kinokuniya recently, so I was wondering...
I hope it doesn't stretch out too long. I've only read the first volume, but it was fun and I enjoyed it.
I agree about the bad promo music, though...
I think the music is the opeing because I heard the ending 0_o its like somthing boat or what and it is pretty bad too, its english 0_0
I think the music is the opeing because I heard the ending 0_o its like somthing boat or what and it is pretty bad too, its english 0_0
Wow, I'm so glad you asked because here I am to gush about the ending song "Life is like a Boat" I have the single and it's not like an ending song at all, a very nice piano ballad that's not sweeping or sad or anything, but very..."pure" I guess you could say.
It's sung by Rie Fu (http://www.riefu.com/) , who is one of my favorite new singers. She's lives in England and Japan (+), speaks Japanese and English (++!), has a great voice- not to screechy or grating, but not really low and gravelly either.
I'm going to watch the first Bleach episode just to hear the ending song, and I'll give the anime a chance too. (Although it seems much closer to the Inuyasha/Naruto end of the anime scale than to the, oh say, Paranoia Agent or Last Exile end of the scale.) Boy, that comment sounded stupid :P
DarknessTear
2004-10-04, 22:02
I liked the promo song, I only wish I could hear it better.
Animizzle
2004-10-05, 01:34
Speaking of which... does the manga show any signs of finishing yet? I saw lots of new volume 14's over at my local Kinokuniya recently, so I was wondering...
I hope it doesn't stretch out too long. I've only read the first volume, but it was fun and I enjoyed it.
I agree about the bad promo music, though...
as it is now...we can expect at least an additional 50 chapters
IMSabbel
2004-10-05, 02:19
About the manga.... With the latest round of power-level inflation, i would guess its more like 200to go then 50....
Animizzle
2004-10-05, 04:45
About the manga.... With the latest round of power-level inflation, i would guess its more like 200to go then 50....
Well..he is making progress very fast, My guess is a few more battles, Quincy will be saved, Hime will have her big battle, Chad slaps some booty,Then ichigo's big battle vs the leet hacker. Rukia saved, the kitty dies offcourse..so all in all that's about 50 chaps
rorosama
2004-10-05, 06:11
Well..he is making progress very fast, My guess is a few more battles, Quincy will be saved, Hime will have her big battle, Chad slaps some booty,Then ichigo's big battle vs the leet hacker. Rukia saved, the kitty dies offcourse..so all in all that's about 50 chaps
I doubt hime will have a big battle. She has 0 fighting experience.
The manga is currently up to chapter 134 so they have loads to go on.
Current chapter is 151. 152 will come out in few days.
Ichigo just arrived to the Rukia's execution place and stopped the phoenix with a help of few captains
Yeah, it won't be over soon. I would say it will go on at least one more mayor (~100 chapters) arc after this current arc. I would like to see more Hallows.
Edit: The first episode should be aired by now.
It looks like some rip off shaman king anime. Hopefully I'm wrong.
UserName
2004-10-05, 08:43
It looks like some rip off shaman king anime. Hopefully I'm wrong.
The only similarity is ghosts...
The only similarity is ghosts...
I heard that they use the ghosts to fight. They may have differences, but if the plot lumes on this, then it isn't very original (in comparison to shaman king).
Don't worry though, it's only early speculation. Like I said before, it will hopefully edge away from any connection to shaman king.
DeluxSkillz
2004-10-05, 09:28
The only similarity is ghosts...
you're wrong
yay ep 1 is out, it follows the manga closely some added scenes and some edited scenes btu i was happy with itt the op was horrible though, i love that they kept some of the blood in i can't wait for ep 2
IMSabbel
2004-10-05, 11:09
Well..he is making progress very fast, My guess is a few more battles, Quincy will be saved, Hime will have her big battle, Chad slaps some booty,Then ichigo's big battle vs the leet hacker. Rukia saved, the kitty dies offcourse..so all in all that's about 50 chaps
And then the next arc will start :)
Master Ran
2004-10-05, 11:27
you're wrong
the op was horrible though, i love that they kept some of the blood in i can't wait for ep 2
Yup. Never like the OP but the song was catchy though. Maybe in a month or so, i'll grow to like it.
And the ED song kinda reminds me of another weird (English) song. Wolfs Rain ED theme.
Overall, the anime was pretty good.
ShikaShika
2004-10-05, 14:25
Didn't like how they removed the blood from the little girl's face, that's the first thing that caught my eye about the manga. But I've only red the first two chapters so I dunno if we can expect more changes like that... :) Anyway, sometimes I wish anime wasn't aimed so much at kids (at least when the manga isn't).
DeluxSkillz
2004-10-05, 14:31
who cares it was just a minor thing with the lil girl, they atleast kept blood at the right places
like when rukia gets bitten by the hollow that would've beeen stupid if they removed the blood there
all in all it turned out great
who cares it was just a minor thing with the lil girl, they atleast kept blood at the right places
like when rukia gets bitten by the hollow that would've beeen stupid if they removed the blood there
all in all it turned out great
Well it sorta ruined the whole scene if she isn't bleeding, hell he didn't even point to her. But other than that I have no complaints.
DeluxSkillz
2004-10-05, 15:43
yeah but it's obvious why it's left out the lil girl can't be bleeding it's not appropriate now if the big bad hollow sprays tons of blod that's just ok cuz it's a monster a bleeding little girl is a no no in japan monsters can bleed as much as they want but not little kids same with naruto they don't show a kunai stuck in his palm but they can show tsunade getting cut up same thing, you also didn't see the little girl die in this ep and she did in the manga so who cares i care more for the bloody fights then a lil ghost girl dying
ShikaShika
2004-10-05, 15:53
But well, it's those little things that add the flavour... but yeah, otherwise it was pretty good so it's just a minor complaint.
I thought the animation was pretty borderline during the episode. Although I thought the OP had pretty good animation.
Youko Recca
2004-10-05, 17:57
It looks like some rip off shaman king anime. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Bullshit. Your hopes have been true for the longest.
Maro-chan
2004-10-05, 18:17
Couldnt help it, so i had to watch the raw.
When the opening started rolling i was staring at the screen in disbelief, i mean what in the... :D But the song was very good and catchy so after watching the opening few times i gotta say it's refreshing to say atleast XD
Episode closely follows manga so no complaints there but but.... the artwork is kinda weak? o.O Fighting scene looked great in the end though.
I was very happy with the voice acting and overall opinion is that yay, finally stuff i can watch while dodging evil Naruto fillers. ;D
UserName
2004-10-05, 19:29
I heard that they use the ghosts to fight. They may have differences, but if the plot lumes on this, then it isn't very original (in comparison to shaman king).
Don't worry though, it's only early speculation. Like I said before, it will hopefully edge away from any connection to shaman king.
They don't use ghosts to fight... they use their own strength. They FIGHT ghosts called 'Hollows'(and other Shinigami).
Animizzle
2004-10-05, 19:36
I doubt hime will have a big battle. She has 0 fighting experience.
Bleach may be quite good, but it's predicatable shit too. Hime joined them in their quest..she has powers. She has serious doubts about her usefullness...
What better to wash away all thought of insecurity with a nice big battle full of cliche's and flashbacks?
Hime is your friend.
And then the next arc will start
lol true, but that is obvious. I was merely talking about this arc.
Youko Recca
2004-10-05, 21:24
First episode was pretty good. Like the OP but could use a bit better ED. Bleach is one of my favorites so hopefully they don't make it into something predictable and weak like some are saying. Keep Kubo Tite's style are we're good.
Bullshit. Your hopes have been true for the longest.
What? lol
Does this makes sence? I don't understand.
Ookla The Mok
2004-10-05, 22:16
The little girl not bleeding and not being pointed to is because this is PLOT HOLE in the manga. Never again after chapter 1 does Ichigo cause other normal people to see ghosts (well, on purpose like that), and do we see any other normal ghosts bleeding?
Lost World
2004-10-05, 22:56
The little girl not bleeding and not being pointed to is because this is PLOT HOLE in the manga. Never again after chapter 1 does Ichigo cause other normal people to see ghosts (well, on purpose like that), and do we see any other normal ghosts bleeding?
Good point. Besides, Kubo Tite is on the staff for the show. I'm pretty sure he'd have approval on the changes taking place.
Maybe he noticed that was a major plothole and asked them to change it.
sarcasteak
2004-10-05, 22:59
The little girl not bleeding and not being pointed to is because this is PLOT HOLE in the manga. Never again after chapter 1 does Ichigo cause other normal people to see ghosts (well, on purpose like that), and do we see any other normal ghosts bleeding?
Yes, we see ghosts/shinigami bleeding all the time. ^_^;;
Youko Recca
2004-10-05, 23:26
What? lol
Does this makes sence? I don't understand.
You said hopefully you're wrong, and your hopes were come to terms. It isn't a ripoff of anything basically is what I'm saying.
ShikaShika
2004-10-05, 23:32
The little girl not bleeding and not being pointed to is because this is PLOT HOLE in the manga. Never again after chapter 1 does Ichigo cause other normal people to see ghosts (well, on purpose like that), and do we see any other normal ghosts bleeding?
Hmmm... yeah I was wondering about them being able to see her... Well I guess I have to take the complaint (minor though it was) back. ;)
Burner of Anime
2004-10-06, 00:41
Something of an oversight in the manga I hope isn't translated into the animation.
At the start of the manga, both Ichigo's sisters were able to see ghosts with Karin having the stronger ability. Much later it seems only Karin could do it, his other sister having lost the ability entirely- or maybe it is simply so weak for Yuzu that it might as well be. Have to read through it again and watch the show proper to see :heh:
Anyway, at least the drew Rukia as more feminine here :p But she's still an eccentric tomboy :D
Ookla The Mok
2004-10-06, 01:15
Something of an oversight in the manga I hope isn't translated into the animation.
Yuzu's lines about seeing the ghost in chapter 1 have been given to Karin in episode 1. Well, I'm sure you'll see soon enough.
yami_uchigo
2004-10-06, 01:51
Hey dudes if any of you want to get a hold of the Bleach file then go here http://www.kyudenanime.com/tss/home.php?page=news.txt
try and download it everyone cos its slow :(
The first episode was fine I think. BGM's weren't as good as I hoped they would be but the voice acting was great. A lot of little changes but the core plot was still there. I loved OP and ED.
Bleach is anything than original. But I would say it's still better than average shounen series like Shaman King, Busou Renkin or Black Cat. Plus Kubo's art is very stylish.
Hideki Keiji
2004-10-06, 09:27
Another change is that in the manga, it is Karin who goes to warn Ichigo, not Yuzu. The two girls basically change places at this part. I wonder why this is?
More changes: Ichigo sees Rukia before she comes into his room(that filler street part), and Ichigo's dad doesn't come upstairs to see who he is talking to.
ShikaShika
2004-10-06, 10:37
I'm not the biggest fan of uncalled for changes, so I'd likt to know as well. Maybe they're building up to something.
Otherwise the first ep is usually a bit condensed to fit as much as possible of what the show is really about.
It seems like Lunar is the only group subbing these Fall anime.
Another change is that in the manga, it is Karin who goes to warn Ichigo, not Yuzu. The two girls basically change places at this part. I wonder why this is?
I'm just guessing here, but it might be that way because it's Karin who can see ghosts, while Yuzu can only feel their precence.
It seems like Lunar is the only group subbing these Fall anime.
Maybe some group will do it later ;)
DryMaltExtract
2004-10-06, 13:33
Is there a set number of episodes for this or is it like the other fighting series and just goes on forever until people lose interest?
DeluxSkillz
2004-10-06, 13:37
the manga is 151 chapters right now so that equals like 75 eps there is no end in sight so it'll probably run forever
I just saw the first episode. This anime seems to the best new anime of the season so far. It reminds me of naruto with its mix of comedy and action, except the action seems to go a lot faster. I also think bleach is rather novel in that usually the main character want to achieve a goal(be shaman king, find dad, be hokage), instead of having some thing thrust upon them like in bleach.
Oh yeah, is it possible for the above posters to put manga comparisons in spoiler tags? I know it's not exactly a spoiler, as it relates to the current episode, but people like me want to stay away from the comparisons that can result in crazy flame wars like in the naruto forum.
AzrielBlack
2004-10-06, 17:16
Just downloading this cant wait.
Just downloading this cant wait.
blah, I'm gonna wait for a DECENT group to sub it before I download it....
The best group already subbed it, why wait? ^^;
The best group already subbed it, why wait? ^^;
any group to treat MEMBERS like Lunar does is NOT a respectable group, I rest my case.
any group to treat MEMBERS like Lunar does is NOT a respectable group, I rest my case.
I have no idea what you just said, but okay.
I have no idea what you just said, but okay.
LOL idd, the grammar... the pain
The_Heavy_One
2004-10-06, 18:13
It was soooo good...! at least i thought so :love:
just hope the rest of the series continues to be this good
First episode was interesting... Super shinigami hehe.
AnimeGurl
2004-10-06, 19:14
I am like soooo totally phyched to see the first episode of Bleach! But I want to make sure I get a good fansub so I was wondering if the Lunar fansub is good. I've never seen their releases but is it like, as good as anbu or aone fansubs? Thanks a bunch. *thrilled Bleach has an anime now* WOOHOOOOO.
I am like soooo totally phyched to see the first episode of Bleach! But I want to make sure I get a good fansub so I was wondering if the Lunar fansub is good. I've never seen their releases but is it like, as good as anbu or aone fansubs? Thanks a bunch. *thrilled Bleach has an anime now* WOOHOOOOO.
Lunar is one of my favorite sub groups, they have a lot of good releases and i was REALLY happy to see them doing Bleach :) No worries, it's an excellent translation (though i do like Viz's "Soul Reaper" translation of Shinigami more than Lunar's "Death god", since they aren't exactly "godlike", they just collect/send souls like Grim Reapers)
really interesting how Viz's manga translation left in more of the Japanese proper nouns (Zanpaku-tou, Kidou so far) than the fansub did :)
also, at the rate things are going, Viz'll (Shonen Jump) be releasing a manga volume that's either ahead or at the same point as the anime :)
the ED absolutely SHOCKED me, i've never heard a song by a japanese singer that blended both japanese and english together so well, and the OP was ok too (sort of like Naruto was at first, then they got the kick ass second opening...come to think of it Bleach's anime production has a LOT in common with Naruto...)
Wai! This looks really good after the first episode. The protaganist reminds me of a combination of..errr. the cat guy from Fruits Basket (forgot his name) coupled with Kyo from Samurai Deeper Kyo. I'll be waiting for the next episode. :D
chamelean75
2004-10-06, 20:18
heheh, I really enjoyed the first episode. The thing that made this anime stick out from all the other new animes, ie. my hime, is the music. hehe the music is really awesome. I need to get the ost when it comes out. The ending song is awesome.
Ero-Senpai
2004-10-06, 20:25
I just got done watching the new bleach anime. all i can say is it was GREAT!
it stayed along the lines on the manga better than most animes do. i had high hopes that they would make a anime out of bleach and my expectations were exceeded greatly. gotta love the opening theme too :)
mintyfresh
2004-10-06, 20:34
I can see this anime getting its own board already...
Za Paper
2004-10-06, 20:41
Someone mentioned that this could be the next big thing like Naruto. If its a good as Naruto I'll be happy. The OP music was good and the ED was awesome. Orange Range and Rei Fu, I'll have to remember that.
Yeah, I dont like translating shinigami as Death God either. I think its one of those words best left untranslated.
dannylu88
2004-10-06, 22:47
Wai! This looks really good after the first episode. The protaganist reminds me of a combination of..errr. the cat guy from Fruits Basket (forgot his name) coupled with Kyo from Samurai Deeper Kyo. I'll be waiting for the next episode. :D
isnt the cat guy from fruit baskets also kyo???
isnt the cat guy from fruit baskets also kyo???
Hah, it is Kyo! So Kyo + Kyo = Ichigo? :hmm: And isn't Ichigo (= strawberry) a somewhat feminine name for a guy?
Burner of Anime
2004-10-07, 00:17
Sawamura Seiji [Midori no Hibi] came to mind when I first saw the character design :eyebrow: And I thought another translation for Ichigo was protector or guardian?
There are a lot of Ichigo names with different kanjis for each. It does just not mean strawberries ( that is Ichigo 苺 as a noun ).
For this series, Ichigo is written as 一護
I too, thought that Seiji has grown and moved out of Midori no Hibi to take on a new job...
FlyByNite
2004-10-07, 00:58
There are a lot of Ichigo names with different kanjis for each. It does just not mean strawberries ( that is Ichigo 苺 as a noun ).
For this series, Ichigo is written as 一護
I too, thought that Seiji has grown and moved out of Midori no Hibi to take on a new job...
I think at some point in the Manga Ichigo actually remarks how feminine his name is because some character then says it's masculine because of it's beginning or something. Wish I could remember it better.
Anyway. I loved the adaption. At times the art is a little weird getting used to. I *LOVE* Rukia's animation and her voice is so fitting for her personality... Great
Infact most of the voices all seem perfect to me so far. Both of the sisters, Karin's is dead-on what I'd imagine from her personality, same with Yuzo. I can't wait till the school characters appear like Orihime :love: she looks cute in the opening animation.
just finished watching the first episode and i thought it was great. I hope it continues to be good since FMA just ended :sad: i need to find a replacement.
Average first episode, but i'm curious enough to follow this to see how it develops, and Fumiko Orikasa as a badass girl is always a good thing in my book.
Looks like this may be a good replacement for FMA.
ShikaShika
2004-10-07, 03:17
Yeah, I dont like translating shinigami as Death God either. I think its one of those words best left untranslated.
I agree, shinigami should be untranslated. The shinigami is quite well known in Japanese culture (at least in anime and manga) and I think you lose some of the cultural identity in the translation (allthough it is a direct translation).
But this is just my preference, I know there are loads of people that don't like to see any japanese words untranslated.
Burner of Anime
2004-10-07, 03:35
Anyway. I loved the adaption. At times the art is a little weird getting used to. I *LOVE* Rukia's animation and her voice is so fitting for her personality... Great
Methinks they hired the only person capable of doing the girl any justice as a sarcastic, terminally frustrated grim reaper forced to masquerade as a mortal teen girl :heh: But is it me or does Orikasa Fumiko specifically look out for voice roles that are not only a challenge in terms of the array of personalities exhibited, but for being plain wierd as well? Just realised that she has almost always taken up the eccentric meganekko's, smart mouth lolies, fish out of water immortals to even a militant amputee [FMA] in addition to all the straight characters.
Anyway, ANN just updated the cast list: Yuki Matsuoka is taking on Orihime and believe it or not Kubotite [the writer] is playing Kon >_<
About the manga to anime change, it could be to showcase what Rukia is fully capable of in a fight. After the first episode she's basically having trouble battling even the small fry. She's still crippled up to now in the manga so this might be her only chance for some heavy action for a good long time :sad:
sarcasteak
2004-10-07, 03:43
I think at some point in the Manga Ichigo actually remarks how feminine his name is because some character then says it's masculine because of it's beginning or something. Wish I could remember it better.
I recall there was something said about names that start with ichi, but I don't remember it clearly either. His name means to "protect one thing/person"...that's masculine enough in my opinion. :)
FlyByNite
2004-10-07, 04:19
Methinks they hired the only person capable of doing the girl any justice as a sarcastic, terminally frustrated grim reaper forced to masquerade as a mortal teen girl :heh: But is it me or does Orikasa Fumiko specifically look out for voice roles that are not only a challenge in terms of the array of personalities exhibited, but for being plain wierd as well? Just realised that she has almost always taken up the eccentric meganekko's, smart mouth lolies, fish out of water immortals to even a militant amputee [FMA] in addition to all the straight characters.
Anyway, ANN just updated the cast list: Yuki Matsuoka is taking on Orihime and believe it or not Kubotite [the writer] is playing Kon >_<
About the manga to anime change, it could be to showcase what Rukia is fully capable of in a fight. After the first episode she's basically having trouble battling even the small fry. She's still crippled up to now in the manga so this might be her only chance for some heavy action for a good long time :sad:
The mangaka is doing the voice of the bear plushy? hahaha. Konta sounded like I imagine him in the preview so good work then :)
the episode had it's moments, it's looking promising if predictable. but that's not always a bad thing. the animation was quite good at some points, and it reminded me of naruto at many points, aware that it is th same studio doing it. but i think they brought a few thigns over from naruto
Hayamaneko
2004-10-07, 11:27
guess i was the only one that was disapionted ^^;;
Ookla The Mok
2004-10-07, 11:29
The mangaka is doing the voice of the bear plushy? hahaha. Konta sounded like I imagine him in the preview so good work then :)
His name is Kon. He says "Kon da!" not "Konta" in the preview.
And he's a lion, not a bear.
Just watched the episode. I remember reading the manga at Toriyamaworld and not being that impressed with the first chapter, and I didn't like the first half of this episode either - but by the end, it had gotten a lot more interesting, and I'll be following this series. I know how popular it got, so I'll be happy to give it a try.
Wasn't too thrilled by the OP - I love Orange Range's silly ED for Naruto, but this song just...was a bit dull. The animation was good, but the ideas for the animation were lacking. I agree - Ichigo looks and behaves a lot like Sawamura Seiji from Midori no Hibi. I guess the idea is that they're delinquent-types who can be redeemed!
The comedy in the first few scenes with the family didn't entertain me - but when Rukia appears, everything improves a lot. The story proper begins, and I'm interested in Ichigo's powers - and want to see why he can do what he can do.
And is Rukia's seiyuu really Pacifica from Scrapped Princess? Wow! I thought it was the girl who did Touya Akira from Hikaru no Go when I was listening!
-BonBon
KeithCourage
2004-10-07, 14:06
Hayamaneko, I was pretty disappointed as well actually. As far as the drawings go I think Ichigo was done the poorest followed by rukia...and those are the only two we've seen...The other characters look good I think though, or at least it seems they will. I liked the OP actually.
On the whole the manga, especially the first two volumes were oooozing style. I don't think they did the best job possible capturing the super cool feel. I think the series will be definitely worth following, but I'm really prefering the manga so far.
UGH Ichigo's hair sux in the anime.
I'm pretty disappointed because my expectations were so high from the manga. Oh well, it's decent at least.
hooliganj
2004-10-07, 15:15
Ambience Blue mentioned this little fellow earlier. :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/hooliganj/Kon64.gif
It'll be a few eps before he shows up, but this clip from the opening works pretty well.
AzrielBlack
2004-10-07, 16:13
I enjoyed it. Will carry on following this but there are better series out this season.
When FMA ends, another show starts, ahh i like this, Hopefully it will be interesting ( never read the manga) Hopefully theres even more awsome shows comming out
I predict that in another year or two, this will become as popular as Naruto is now, and fanboys everywhere will discuss in forums about which character is the strongest. Usernames like IchigoRules!!1!!1! will pop up, and there will be arguments about whether he got that name from Ichigo100% (probably an anime by then).
That's of course if this anime rendition survives that long.
yeah but it's obvious why it's left out the lil girl can't be bleeding it's not appropriate now if the big bad hollow sprays tons of blod that's just ok cuz it's a monster a bleeding little girl is a no no in japan monsters can bleed as much as they want but not little kids same with naruto they don't show a kunai stuck in his palm but they can show tsunade getting cut up same thing, you also didn't see the little girl die in this ep and she did in the manga so who cares i care more for the bloody fights then a lil ghost girl dying
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Wai! This looks really good after the first episode. The protaganist reminds me of a combination of..errr. the cat guy from Fruits Basket (forgot his name) coupled with Kyo from Samurai Deeper Kyo. I'll be waiting for the next episode. :D
It's actually Kyo from Fruits Basket, and Tasuki from Fushigi Yuugi.
Kyokyosuki?
His name is Kon. He says "Kon da!" not "Konta" in the preview.
And he's a lion, not a bear.
Anyone ever seen a "gloomy bear"? That's exactly what it looks like. A cute teddy bear, with teeth and three-inch claws.
Now this is what I call anime. Talk about straight to the action!
From start to finish I was absoloutly sucked in, I could not take my eyes of the screen, simply awesome.
It had all the things I look for in a series, usually it takes me a couple of episodes to get me this exited but that wasn't the case here. NO WAY!
I'm already pining for the next episode.
And the music was also exelent. If you havn't seen this anime yet then hurry, go, believe me when I say you're mising out on something special, it's on the main page, go, go now I tell you!
I have a feeling this is going to be big.
Edit: Guess im a tad late. :heh:
Oh, joy. A generation of Bleachtards are coming...
Oh how right you are my friend, you mark my words.....DBZ+Naruto+Bleach. OMG! We're gonna be unstoppable. :fingers:
The recent wave of BLEACH fansites... is that a good thing or should I also be worried? :p
Anyway, after watching Episode 01 FOUR times (downloaded YeyRAWs, SaiyaMan, Lunar and Keep-ANBU) I don't think the art is THAT bad anymore. The close ups are the best parts. :P
Wow, after reading through this thread i'm certainly glad i'm not a manga reader since I have nothing to compare it too nothing will dissapoint me.
Actually, yeah, I think i'll stay well away from this thread. *Nods* Yup I think that's for the best. :)
Wow, after reading through this thread i'm certainly glad i'm not a manga reader since I have nothing to compare it too nothing will dissapoint me.
Actually, yeah, I think i'll stay well away from this thread. *Nods* Yup I think that's best. :)
But since you saw the anime first, if you read the manga, you would be impressed by it instead of being disappointed by the anime. ;)
Ookla The Mok
2004-10-07, 20:14
Anyone ever seen a "gloomy bear"? That's exactly what it looks like. A cute teddy bear, with teeth and three-inch claws.
Bears don't have manes or long tails.
sarcasteak
2004-10-07, 20:26
The animation and voice-acting are better than I expected...I think I will keep watching. :o
Oh, joy. A generation of Bleachtards are coming...
Oh the horror! :heh:
But since you saw the anime first, if you read the manga, you would be impressed by it instead of being disappointed by the anime. ;)
Ah yes, it works both ways. :D
Burner of Anime
2004-10-07, 20:53
His name is Kon. He says "Kon da!" not "Konta" in the preview.
And he's a lion, not a bear.
He's not even that :heh: Minor spoiler, but Kon really doesn't have a permanent body...
I didn't think it was possible for Orikasa Fumiko to sound so male, yet at the same time come across as a girl >_< Had money on her using the same voice for Ligene [Natsuiro], so the raging and militant tomboy is pretty new and quite a suprise. Of Rukia's character design- bear in mind that in the manga her head is out of purportion to her body [it's pretty big]. In the animation it comes across as more normal despite being built washboard flat.
I take it that Kubotite is using the anime to correct all his mistakes done for the manga and have fun with his baby at the same time.
One more thing concerning the series lenght. The voice cast for every character introduced till book 14 has already been done. At 3 episodes per book [which is a conservative estimate], this show can easily run into 45+ episodes.
Oneesama
2004-10-07, 21:33
I seldom, or rarely post in the fansub forum, *cough* but i have know Bleach from quite long ago, of its manga, i think vol.13 now, but nevermind that, let's talk about the anime! I've been craving for this long enough~ :P
woohoo! 3 % done!
--> i think i will come back to discuss this ^^;;
I am just a bit excited :P pardon me ^^;;
EDIT!!!
I just watched ep 01 today! it was GREAT! just as expected ^___^ OP was good too. ^-^ i say it will be over 50+ eps too ^__^
I think it will become a cool serie. I get the impression it smells abit like Yuyu Hakusho. First half was abit boring but when the god kid arives it becomes wicked.
quikimpulse
2004-10-07, 22:31
looks like this anime has great potential. I can already tell its gonna be big. Over 2000 seeds and leechers for the 1st ep. I wonder how many ep are their. Probably 50+. But it looks like i am gonna be watching Bleach for a while.
Bleach is a series I began reading shortly after Toriyama World started translation.
Initially I was hooked, with the great animation, funny scenes, and interesting story. But after the first 3 volumes I became quite bored of the ongoing Shishigami v. hollow plotline. When Quincy Archer appeared, and the awakening of more allies to Ichigo's side, the action picked up again.. but then.. the manga was licensed by Viz.
I stopped reading for some many months, until I found Manga-Rain's IRC channel, and continued reading. (and am still).
In sum, not to give the plot away, the story early on I felt was boring, but once the details of Soul Society were further developed (and more characters introduced), things got much better.
Esper 28
2004-10-07, 23:34
This may've already been asked (didn't have the patience to look through entire thread) and if it was, I'm very sorry for being redundant but...
Is there any difference between the Lunar's version and AKeep/ANBU's? Both (all three, lol) are extremely good groups, that's why I'm so torn between which one to follow.
Ookla The Mok
2004-10-07, 23:39
This may've already been asked (didn't have the patience to look through entire thread) and if it was, I'm very sorry for being redundant but...
Is there any difference between the Lunar's version and AKeep/ANBU's? Both are extremely good groups, that's why I'm so torn between which one to follow.
Lunar uses Death God, Keep/ANBU use Soul Reaper (like VIZ). Those are probably the two terms which will stand out most to many fans. Of course there are many other differences. One similarity is that both encodes are 23.976 fps.
The anime looks interesting, but the OP is awesome!!
I usually just skip over the OP when I watch an anime for the first time cause I'm not that interested, but the Bleach OP kept me watching and listening.
It definetly reeks of Pillows' style music, which I love. Again, awesome OP. I think I'll see where they take this anime. :)
Funny how some manga fan (not saying in this forum) complained about Rukia's appearance in the anime. I thought she looked exactly the same as she did in the manga.
I liked the anime though. Rukia is very cool.
ViVi_bOi
2004-10-08, 01:59
Bleach Fansubs Comparison Added --> http://ultima.hafio.info :p
sarcasteak
2004-10-08, 02:01
Funny how some manga fan (not saying in this forum) complained about Rukia's appearance in the anime. I thought she looked exactly the same as she did in the manga.
I think the problem is inconsistency. I thought some of the shots Rukia look exactly like her manga counterpart, but at times I do notice that she did not look as good. It's not the huge a difference though, so I can live with it.
Lunar uses Death God, Keep/ANBU use Soul Reaper (like VIZ). Those are probably the two terms which will stand out most to many fans. Of course there are many other differences. One similarity is that both encodes are 23.976 fps.
Another similiarity is that when Bleach is licensed (in which there is a high possibility), they will drop it faster than you can say "ouch" ;)
passenger
2004-10-08, 03:28
Another similiarity is that when Bleach is licensed (in which there is a high possibility), they will drop it faster than you can say "ouch" ;)
and from this aspect lunar has a very bad luck almost all of their recent series are licensed and i couldn't finish some of them. i hope some decent group inclined to have less strict rules will take the series.
ShikaShika
2004-10-08, 05:15
This may've already been asked (didn't have the patience to look through entire thread) and if it was, I'm very sorry for being redundant but...
Is there any difference between the Lunar's version and AKeep/ANBU's? Both (all three, lol) are extremely good groups, that's why I'm so torn between which one to follow.
http://hem.wtnord.net/k00562/lunar.jpg
http://hem.wtnord.net/k00562/anbukeep.jpg
;)
haha
um... if what they say in japanese is included..that would be better to compare =)
oh well
/me is still downloading keep-anbu version atm.
I think in the supplied picture the main problem is that the word for house ("ie") and the
word for picture ("e") are so alike and it's not easy to hear the difference as there is some
kind of music playing at the time this is being said too.
However after listening to it several times, I do think this is being said:
... kono aho mitai na ie ...
(You can cleary hear "ie" not just "e")
So... in my view: Lunar is right, ANBU got it wrong (assuming as usual ANBU is the
translation-providing part of the join). BUT don't take my word for it! I'm no expert!
I think in the supplied picture the main problem is that the word for house ("ie") and the
word for picture ("e") are so alike and it's not easy to hear the difference as there is some
kind of music playing at the time this is being said too.
However after listening to it several times, I do think this is being said:
... kono aho mitai na ie ...
(You can cleary hear "ie" not just "e")
So... in my view: Lunar is right, ANBU got it wrong (assuming as usual ANBU is the
translation-providing part of the join). BUT don't take my word for it! I'm no expert!
The line said is:
まず そのアホみたいな遺影をどうにかしろ
Mazu, sono aho mitaina iei wo dounika shiro
Correct translation in my opinion would be:
First of all, do something about that stupid memorial picture
The word 遺影 (iei) certainly sounds pretty much like 家 (ie), but the word used also in the manga is 遺影
ANBU-Keep translation is closer to the manga:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/antonr/bleach.png
Right... I stand corrected. Like I said, I'm hardly an expert, I knew "ie" and "e", but didn't
consider there possibly being yet another word that fits in this context & sounds similary.
It's made by the same studio as Naruto...but it reminded me more of Full Metal Alchemist with the animation...
Wolfsbane68
2004-10-08, 08:25
It's made by the same studio as Naruto...but it reminded me more of Full Metal Alchemist with the animation...
I had a Yu Yu Hakusho flashback, does not bode well for me.
Burner of Anime
2004-10-08, 10:28
Looking at the context of the translation, could the mangaka have meant memorial shrine? Seems logical that the bloke would put up a huge alter of some sort if he loved his wife to that extent.
Stuck me as sad though :sad: seeing the guy hang on to the memory after so long.
But is it me or does Karin look like a dead ringer for Sasuke in those caps? :twitch:
Tsukiyomi
2004-10-08, 10:29
Also .. Soul reaper vs Death god...?
Bears don't have manes or long tails.
I know enough about animals to know that, at least. I was just saying that the lion looks like an orange version of a gloomy bear, with a cheap mane and tail added on.
i heard bleach was like the next big thing in japan kinda like naruto at that time. I havne't watched it/read it yet but i heard the storyline. Seems kinda weird to me but then again, im sure its good after all the positive responses its been getting. Sort of looking forward to it.
CyberPunk
2004-10-08, 11:59
just watched the first ep...and from the looks of it, i don't think i'm gonna be following this series very long. nothing about it interested me at all. of course, i thought the same about naruto for the first 4 or 5 episodes and have been for the last 20 or so episodes. :P. i'll give it a few more episodes before i completely walk away, but hopefully it'll pick up for me.
is it just me or does Kon look a helluva lot like Lion San from twin spica? They're both dolls as well... Coincidence? oO
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hooliganj
2004-10-08, 12:29
I had a Yu Yu Hakusho flashback, does not bode well for me.
If this much doesn't bode well for you, then you're in trouble. This series has a lot in common with Yu Yu Hakusho.
The 1st ep was good imo. I just hope they stick to the manga and dont do ~1000 filler episodes *ahem* naruto *cough*
Burner of Anime
2004-10-08, 13:06
I really don't see the need to compare this show to anything else done before or after, it stands or fails on it's own and that is usually the end of the story. Bleach is stuck to formula for the shonen action genre [pure filler, power-ups, endless training, harem, ect], but the interaction between the characters [esp. Rukia's relationship with Ichigo] made this one an easy read IMO.
Where the writer doesn't messup is the use of flashbacks. They are exactly what they are described to be- a flash, then it's back to the present where your attention really matters. Oh!Great and Nobuhiro Watsuki should take lessons from this guy >_< on it's proper use. The first 4 books can be considered as monster of the week material, but also useful to introduce supporting characters critical to the current long arc. So it follows that wheter or not this show will be worth keeping up with will be here as well [est: episode 9-12 with the rival ghost hunter introduced]. Bear with the show till then, if it still doesn't make sence then drop it.
Another thing to bear in mind is the fact that the writer of the manga is not only in command of the storyboard, he's also a voice actor as perhaps his favourite mascot character :heh: We can only guess of his intent on being so close to the adaptation process [which is damned rare], but the first episode itself was used to clear a number of major plot holes on the manga and expand a little more on the leads.
The first I mentioned earlier about the position of the sisters being switched during the attack. One was simply more delicious [refering to the later manga chapters] than the other to the Hollow :twitch: The other plothole was why these monsters suddenly appeared and came after the lead, something the manga never even explained. Ichigo radiates a lot of spiritual energy unconsciously, so much he is able to magnify the presence and abilities of ghosts and other sensitive entities [or fuzz them completely :p] with his presence. Yeah, makes him very popular with both good and bad spirits since they feed off these energies
So before raging on the changes done in the anime, pls think how the alterations will affect an event much later in the books. Not a lot of mangaka get the opportunity to revisit their work and fix something that doesn't make sense to them or attempt to make the entire work more cohesive.
sarcasteak
2004-10-08, 13:40
Another thing to bear in mind is the fact that the writer of the manga is not only in command of the storyboard, he's also a voice actor as perhaps his favourite mascot character :heh: We can only guess of his intent on being so close to the adaptation process [which is damned rare], but the first episode itself was used to clear a number of major plot holes on the manga and expand a little more on the leads.
The first I mentioned earlier about the position of the sisters being switched during the attack. One was simply more delicious [refering to the later manga chapters] than the other to the Hollow :twitch: The other plothole was why these monsters suddenly appeared and came after the lead, something the manga never even explained. Ichigo radiates a lot of spiritual energy unconsciously, so much he is able to magnify the presence and abilities of ghosts and other sensitive entities [or fuzz them completely :p] with his presence. Yeah, makes him very popular with both good and bad spirits since they feed off these energies
So before raging on the changes done in the anime, pls think how the alterations will affect an event much later in the books. Not a lot of mangaka get the opportunity to revisit their work and fix something that doesn't make sense to them or attempt to make the entire work more cohesive.
Very well said. I've heard a lot of people complain about these changes but none of them stopped to think why the changes were made.
Oh, and I also like the fact that the little girl didn't get eaten as an appetizer. :D
ViVi_bOi
2004-10-08, 18:04
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Avacado Burger
2004-10-08, 18:04
Personally, Bleach passed the test for me: It kept my attention, interesting characters, and it got to the damn point in the first episode (which a lot of anime has a problem doing).
I see a lot of people didn't like the ED, but I didn't like the OP.
I'll be watching more of this.
Tsukiyomi
2004-10-08, 21:31
With all the talk going on and all.. may i ask when Bleach will be getting its very own forum section here at animesuki? =P
Timeless Enigma
2004-10-08, 22:04
I wasn't too impressed by this anime, since I'm not really into the genre, but I think I'll keep watching.
I liked to OP, I guess I can stomach rap =D. ED was alright, but nothing spectacular. There are much better EDs around this season.
Youko Recca
2004-10-08, 22:09
With all the talk going on and all.. may i ask when Bleach will be getting its very own forum section here at animesuki? =P
Ugh, there is no need for that.
I am REALLY hoping Bleach isn't as popular as Naruto. I want a more subtle success. It was always like that until now when the anime started, signs have been showing, I dearly am hoping...that this doesn't flesh into another Naruto craze like a deja vu. Hearing people constantly overanalyze a cartoon, make imaginary/fictional omens, unnecessary bullshit comparisons that make no sence, people fighting over fiction itself...I want to just avoid crap like that. Not fond of the idea of one of my favorites being put through the gaunlet.
And that thing with Yu Yu Hakusho...I don't see the problem, they aren't mirror images or anything. Shounen? Yeah. What else?
Burner of Anime
2004-10-08, 23:53
Heh, YYh went from Dead guy having a second chance, to ghost hunting to tournament style fights to nearly becoming the bad@$$ king of hell. Will Bleach head the same way? Personally not interested in speculating :p Reason is pretty simple, this isn't my baby so what's the point in wasting braincells attempting to look into the future. Better to spend the time to just look at the thing and see if it makes sense NOW.
So IMO, does the recent changes to the adaptation make sense? Why yes, it's just a number of overlooked detail from the first time round that didn't add up as the writer was going along. Yeah, even the chair. If you're ever put into a situation where your family is threatened you won't want to waste time looking for a suitable weapon. You'de grab the first thing you can lift and do the smacking right away The core of the first story arc is still there: bloke with abnormal psychic powers suddenly having to take more responsibility than he was originally built for. Unless they mess up and just change the theme of a particular arc, then that would be a legit reason to complain :p
Spooky-Electric
2004-10-09, 01:56
Ugh, there is no need for that.
I am REALLY hoping Bleach isn't as popular as Naruto. I want a more subtle success. It was always like that until now when the anime started, signs have been showing, I dearly am hoping...that this doesn't flesh into another Naruto craze like a deja vu. Hearing people constantly overanalyze a cartoon, make imaginary/fictional omens, unnecessary bullshit comparisons that make no sence, people fighting over fiction itself...I want to just avoid crap like that. Not fond of the idea of one of my favorites being put through the gaunlet.
And that thing with Yu Yu Hakusho...I don't see the problem, they aren't mirror images or anything. Shounen? Yeah. What else?
I agree 100%.
WHO WOULD WIN IN A FIGHTZ
I hate that crap. It's hard to find a place where you can discuss shounen manga/anime maturely.
IMSabbel
2004-10-09, 04:14
I agree 100%.
WHO WOULD WIN IN A FIGHTZ
I hate that crap. It's hard to find a place where you can discuss shounen manga/anime maturely.
This WILL come, if it has its own forum or not. 2 days after the first episode and here are already 8 pages or so...
If it doesnt get a own forum, the fansub forum will get all those threads, which will be merged with this one, which will make it unreadable....
Lets face it: its popular (even though the manga isnt that well known, but narutos wasnt, too, the first 10 episodes or so), with 7-8000 people on the torrent for the first episode,
its CLASSIC shounen with power ups, power up lvl2, lvl3,ect, a staff of evil guys that are only defeated because they dont use the highest powerup, or dont want to fight seriously, ect (i see it coming: if *that* captain would have cooperated with his sword, he would be MUCH better then *this* captain....), plus
There WILL be "he would beat the crap of of HIM" discussions, and they are better placed in their own forum than in the general anime.
sarcasteak
2004-10-09, 04:18
i just saw bleech it is so kewl but i want 2 know wut u guyz think okay is rukia stronger than ichigo?!! cuz i think rukia is better cuz of her demon wayz and cuz shez a death GOD!
Oh the horror! ^_^;;
ViVi_bOi
2004-10-09, 04:37
Inuyasha 4ever - Bleach Ep 1 Added into for Fansubs Comparisons -> http://ultima.hafio.info
Youko Recca
2004-10-09, 08:40
This WILL come, if it has its own forum or not.
Then I'm prepared to break people down, whether I take a ban or not.
Wouldn't honestly mind FMA type popularity at most.
7thMethuselah
2004-10-09, 10:41
Yikes; 1 episode out and over 170 post allready :D
I just finished watching episode one and really liked it. A show with potential, possible good characters and lotsa action. I just hope the action is gonna be more than just hack&slash. Bleach certainly sparked my interest and I'm quite curious to see how it will evolve :)
Inuyasha 4ever - Bleach Ep 1 Added into for Fansubs Comparisons -> http://ultima.hafio.info
Looks like ANBU & Anime-Keep have my vote.
hooliganj
2004-10-09, 11:03
Hard to say which sub is best, although the video quality on the IY-F is awful. Lunar's translation has a bit more character to it, in the same sense as the Hecto/Shinsen Gumi subs of Rurouni Kenshin, if anybody remembers those. :D
And, yeah, Bleach could have its own forum, especially if it would prevent 8+ pages per episode in a single thread, plus whatever the manga manages to generate. If somebody volunteered to strictly moderate the thing, it could be kept from degenerating into the typical shounen-fan insanity, but where would be the fun in that? :p
skillosopher
2004-10-09, 13:29
anyone have any info on the soundtrack? im not "asking" for the music itself, but just the information, like the tracklisting, opening and ending song.
anyone?
and, btw, i thought the first episode was great. i have the first 7 volumes of the manga, but im going to wait for the anime instead this time, unlike naruto.
Yeah, the opening music was pretty good, and it was the first time I heard Japanese rap... :twitch: The ending was a bit too calm to fit in with the anime, in my opinion, sounded more like a theme for a "Last Episode". Unfortunately, it looks as if all of the fighting will be hack & slash (from the first episode and the opening theme), which can get boring. This anime has great potential and I'm going to stick with it! Unless it gets too crazy... *remembers talking teddy bear*
Tiamat's Disciple
2004-10-09, 13:52
I liked the show, though i thought he resembled Naruto to much for my liking, but hey its still a decent show :)
As for the opening track, i despise it, ive never heard anything so bad in my life, i thought naruto had bad opening music but this is worse, thank gods for fast forward :P
I love the ending track though, and i personally think it fits really well with the series. The problem im seeing is that it's most likely going to be licensed before its finished, so im going to have to think on if its worth getting into the show or not.
The first I mentioned earlier about the position of the sisters being switched during the attack. One was simply more delicious [refering to the later manga chapters] than the other to the Hollow :twitch: The other plothole was why these monsters suddenly appeared and came after the lead, something the manga never even explained. Ichigo radiates a lot of spiritual energy unconsciously, so much he is able to magnify the presence and abilities of ghosts and other sensitive entities [or fuzz them completely :p] with his presence. Yeah, makes him very popular with both good and bad spirits since they feed off these energies
I didn't mind the changes in Anime but...
In the manga it was explained why hallow attacked. The hallow was after Ichigo's family because of his huge spiritual pressure. I always thought the reason Karin was the one who warned Ichigo because she was able to, unlike Suzu, to saw the hallow and thus avoid it's attack.
And about Ichigo's huge power, my theory is...
He's mom was a former shinigami. This would explain why all her childrens have powers and how she knew about Grand Fisher's trap and could save Ichigo from it.
I liked the show, though i thought he resembled Naruto to much for my liking, but hey its still a decent show :)
As for the opening track, i despise it, ive never heard anything so bad in my life, i thought naruto had bad opening music but this is worse, thank gods for fast forward :P
I love the ending track though, and i personally think it fits really well with the series. The problem im seeing is that it's most likely going to be licensed before its finished, so im going to have to think on if its worth getting into the show or not.
The opposite of my post? Heh.
Tiamat's Disciple
2004-10-09, 14:55
The opposite of my post? Heh.
What can i say, i despise rap in all its forms :)
I tend to look beyond the scope though, i tend to see into the show as to what it can be, and things start to click from there. Thats why i like that ending tune :)
Ookla The Mok
2004-10-09, 15:29
I didn't mind the changes in Anime but...
In the manga it was explained why hallow attacked. The hallow was after Ichigo's family because of his huge spiritual pressure. I always thought the reason Karin was the one who warned Ichigo because she was able to, unlike Suzu, to saw the hallow and thus avoid it's attack.
But no, the manga doesn't explain why the hollows never attacked Ichigo before now. The anime tries to do that but it's pretty iffy.
hooliganj
2004-10-09, 16:28
And about Ichigo's huge power, my theory is...
He's mom was a former shinigami. This would explain why all her childrens have powers and how she knew about Grand Fisher's trap and could save Ichigo from it.
Maybe a former Quincy (weren't those the humans who try to banish hollows?). I don't think you can stop being a shinigami.
TheLaughingMan
2004-10-09, 16:56
Well, I must say Bleach appears interesting. In a way it reminds me of Mirage of Blaze (if anyone watched that), the whole roaming spirits aspect. From the first episode, it seems like the concept of "belief" might be a focal point of the series.
Further thoughts:
Bleach also seems able to go from a comic moment to a serious moment in a flash. In that way it reminds me of Full Metal Panic. I found the whole "spaz dad" thing to be odd. :twitch: I thought it was funny when he kicked the "Soul Reaper", and the dialogue between them in the room. :nono: Does anyone think the "evil spirits" they battled near the end looked like an Evangelion from Eva?
Crimsonmon
2004-10-09, 18:35
Bleach also seems able to go from a comic moment to a serious moment in a flash. In that way it reminds me of Full Metal Panic. I found the whole "spaz dad" thing to be odd. :twitch: I thought it was funny when he kicked the "Soul Reaper", and the dialogue between them in the room. :nono: Does anyone think the "evil spirits" they battled near the end looked like an Evangelion from Eva?
There seems to be a few designs borrowed from Eva, such as a Chad's arm.
Strange... so many ppl hate the opening song, but I really like it.
I can think of many anime songs that are worst than this one (don't kill me people who loved the songs I am about to list)... ie) the fourth Naruto opening, Trigun ending theme, Madax opening...
But I guess each to his own. I just like songs that are rockish. I would not call this song Japanese rap. Rap is Samurai Champloo. They sing too much in this song to be rap.
On the subject of music, I really hope that the anime lives up to my expectations when it comes to the soundtrack. If you read the character profiles at the end of each manga volume, you'll notice that Tite Kubo has given each character a theme song. While I wouldn't expect any of these songs to appear in the series, it's pretty evident that he has his own ideas about how the manga should sound.
This is something that made the manga stand out for me, that the visual style constantly cries out for background music, like how all the chapter in-betweeners look like album covers or something. Shinova mentioned how the OP reminded him of The Pillow's work, which I kinda agree with. More importantly, I was really pleased with the visuals during the OP, and how well they carried the manga's style. I think if Studio Pierrot can take a page out of FLCL's book and really go with the music, they can pull this series off.
The ending gets two thumbs up, for seemless English and Japanese in the same song. If Bleach does end up being a long series, we can probably expect the OP and ED to change at least once, so I hope they continue to pick interesting music.
Burner of Anime
2004-10-09, 19:53
But no, the manga doesn't explain why the hollows never attacked Ichigo before now. The anime tries to do that but it's pretty iffy.
Heh, that part in the adaptation is admittedly tacked on :D Good that it was put in but execution was kind of meh.No biggie, didn't expect a 100% hit rate for directing anyway :p
Still thought Rukia's explaination was the funniest segment in the whole episode. For a 100+ yr old immortal her drawings really do suck :heh:
Interesting !
Even if i find those monster really really ugly ;)
Asakura_Y0h
2004-10-10, 06:54
In my opinion I think this is going to be one of the better animes for the second half of 2004... i liked the story and idea although i think the plot roughly resembles yu-yu .
I think we should wait for a few more episodes and see how it goes. I like the soundtrack on the whole...... although i'm not particularly fond of these types of character designs ......
This wil be on my must watch list for sure.... especially since it was so funny to begin with.... don't mind the crazy humour blend with the slashing... kinda like full metal alchemist for me....
quikimpulse
2004-10-10, 19:02
The intro wasn't too bad for this anime. And as for the first ep, I didn't expect it to be as good as it was. I am definitely gona keep on watching it. I expect great things from this anime, i hope i am not dissapointed.
By the way, this is not a shaman king ripoff. There are no similarities besides the fact that there ghosts in both. After watching the first ep, you can see that the two series ar very different
fierysky
2004-10-10, 21:49
....The comedy in the first few scenes with the family didn't entertain me - but when Rukia appears, everything improves a lot. The story proper begins, and I'm interested in Ichigo's powers - and want to see why he can do what he can do.
Well, if you are watching this anime to find out why Ichigo has such powers, you are going to have to wait for a loooooooonnnnnnnnggggg time. Even the manga, now on chapter 152 in Japan, have yet to shed some light on Ichigo's powers. Some hints are put in here and there, but right now all we can do is speculate and make our own theories.
After watching a bunch of other anime, this seems to be the best of the bunch... u__u;;;
*impatiently waits for the next sub*
Kempis Curious
2004-10-10, 23:40
I'm another one who didn't like it. I suppose it would be ok for someone new who hasn't seen YYH and the umpteen other shonen animes out there.
For the record I liked Naruto and FMA, so I'm not prejudiced against shonen anime. Those two seemed to have a more original setup than this one.
-k
DeluxSkillz
2004-10-11, 06:18
just die it is not like YYH and it's not like Shaman King, Naruto is not original at all it's a DBZ rip off... FMA on the other hand is pretty original but the fact that half the series sucked ass doesn't make it that great...bleach is way better then FMA and if it continues like this way better then Naruto
Burner of Anime
2004-10-11, 10:19
Plothole never explained in the manga:
Why Rukia needs to smack Ichigo with that death's head glove so that he can battle hollows in Shinigami form? We only know she has to do it, the how and why are absent. Pray they fix this in the animation.
No loss if they don't :p Rukia smacking Ichigo for his own good is always funny :heh:
Whoa! What an awsome anime!
In the end of ep. 1 it felt as if Guts/Gats from Berserk has been reawakened.
I'm going to love this show :D Urashii!
hooliganj
2004-10-11, 13:06
Plothole never explained in the manga:
Why Rukia needs to smack Ichigo with that death's head glove so that he can battle hollows in Shinigami form? We only know she has to do it, the how and why are absent. Pray they fix this in the animation.
No loss if they don't :p Rukia smacking Ichigo for his own good is always funny :heh:
At least in the earlier volumes, Ichigo doesn't have the ability to seperate his soul from his body at will, so Rukia has to do it for him whenever they need him to use his shinigami powers. I don't know that she necessarily has to hit him as hard as she does, but that's the kind of character she is, and he probably deserves it anyway. :D
Besides why didn't hallows attack earlier the only other "plot hole" I have ever noticed is
if Ichigo's sword is from Rukia does that mean Zangetsu was originally meant to be Rukia's sword's real form?
It could be pretty interesting scene if our small Rukia would use such a big sword like Zangetsu :heh: .
It's possible Kubo didn't have full concept of shinigami swords in his mind when the series started and now the anime could perhaps fix this if it even is a plot hole.
fierysky
2004-10-11, 16:11
if Ichigo's sword is from Rukia does that mean Zangetsu was originally meant to be Rukia's sword's real form?
It could be pretty interesting scene if our small Rukia would use such a big sword like Zangetsu :heh: .
It's possible Kubo didn't have full concept of shinigami swords in his mind when the series started and now the anime could perhaps fix this if it even is a plot hole.
No, Zangetsu is Ichigo's own sword. This part was explained in the manga. Remember when Ichigo first met Zangetsu, Zangetsu told Ichigo to find his own shinigami powers in one of the boxes. He also explained when Byakuya destoryed Ichigo's shinigami powers, he only destroyed the part given by Rukia. Byakuya did not know that Ichigo also had his own shinigami powers hidden inside. Since Byakuya did not destory Ichigo's own shinigami powers (only Rukia's), Ichigo was able to ragain his shinigami state during vol 8, Chapter 64, Back in Black. All the powers used after the encounter with Byakuya should be Ichigo's own.
Tsukiyomi
2004-10-12, 01:36
Plothole never explained in the manga:
Why Rukia needs to smack Ichigo with that death's head glove so that he can battle hollows in Shinigami form? We only know she has to do it, the how and why are absent. Pray they fix this in the animation.
No loss if they don't :p Rukia smacking Ichigo for his own good is always funny :heh:
Not only that he doesn't have the power to split his soul from his body, but also Shinigami are souls anyways, they don't have real bodies.
gundamfans
2004-10-12, 10:42
Not only that he doesn't have the power to split his soul from his body, but also Shinigami are souls anyways, they don't have real bodies.
Ichigo's sword looks so like Cloud Strife's buster sword...
Neither look special, in my opinion. Cloud's is a simple buster sword, and Ichigo's just looks like a plain Broad Sword. Ichigo's sword is a lot smaller than Cloud's. And... WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?! :-P
The anime is good and I can see it last as long as the manga goes on. I love the ending theme. Life is like a boat by Rie Fu. Makes me think...
Yah, the ending theme's good. I just got the full version of it today - :love:
I'm not too familiar with anime sponsorship arrangements, but if SEGA, Bandai, and Sony are mentioned in the sponsor bit (kono bangumi wa goran no suponsaa no teikyou de okurishimasu) between the OP and the actual episode (and again at the end), does this hint at a possible Bleach game in the works?
DeluxSkillz
2004-10-12, 13:06
yeah a bleach ps2 game has already been annouced
There's also a card game coming out soon.
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Anyway, I haven't seen Episode 02 yet. Getting it now...
Looks like that will be a change in the orignal story plot. "Grand Fisher" in Episode 2 ? Maybe i`m wrong..
Tsukiyomi
2004-10-12, 21:28
nvm.. i do see grand fisher. :heh:
fierysky
2004-10-13, 01:12
Just watched the second episode, here are some thoughts.
Grand Fisher does show up for a few seconds, which was quite a surprise considering he's not supposed to show up till later. Turns out they changed it so that it's Grand Fisher and his minions that turns Orihime's Brother into a Hollow. I guess Kubo Tite wanted to fill in the plot hole in how Orihime's brother because a hollow in the first place. It was mentioned in the manga that only spirits who lost their "soul" or have extreme desires to stay in the world of the living would turn into a Hollow. Well Orihime's brother fits none of those catagories. He wan't a insane killer, nor did he have any violent desires still to be fullfilled. He may feel regret not be able to take care of Orihime anymore but it certainly not a good enough reason to turn him evil.
Anyways, we are going pretty fast. At this rate, if there's no fillers, we are going to the Soul Society Arc probably in about 15? 20? episodes? Maybe less/more? haha...I'm pretty bad at estimating.....
BeNighted
2004-10-13, 03:21
Anyways, we are going pretty fast. At this rate, if there's no fillers, we are going to the Soul Society Arc probably in about 15? 20? episodes? Maybe less/more? haha...I'm pretty bad at estimating.....
I'm guessing it will take about 25-30. When it happens, I think we'll get a new OP and ED. I'm a bit worried about the speed of the anime... the last thing I want is for them to Narutofy it and make RANDOM arcs. That would destroy all that's right with the world </exaggeration>
FlyByNite
2004-10-13, 05:09
Watched the 2nd ep
Really loving the anime version, I like what they did to turn Orihime's brother into a hollow. Plus it really gives more meaning to when Grand Fisher does show up.
Loving the Rukia voice and Orihime is perfect. I couldn't stop laughing at those sounds as she backs and runs away from Ichigo in the hall...And she looks really cute in the anime too. Tatsuki's voice is pretty perfect too, and from the one thing Chad said he sounds great too.
and wow, DON KANONJI! BO-HA-HA-HA-HA! ;)
Bleach has so many minor characters they could probably keep having one show up early for these next episode previews for about 30+ shows easy.
outlaw97
2004-10-13, 08:39
Posting this from somewhere else:
Hmm, I did a little research, and it seems the whole being eaten by Hollows theory might be officially valid after all.
In the Viz novel Vol. 1, page 117, Rukia says,
"Hollows are fallen souls. Souls that were not admitted to the soul society by a soul reaper...souls that were left behind...souls that weren't saved from other hollows. These fall, lose their hearts...and become hollows themselves."
I also checked the toriyama world scanlation, which essentially says the same thing.
So, if we assume that translation is correct, then this scene isn't really different from the manga - more like expanding on what we didn't see in it.
Tsukiyomi
2004-10-13, 10:55
Yes, plus souls eaten by Hollows turn into Hollows. It's cool how they added Grand Fisher's invfluence so early in the series. ^^
also did anyone catch that boogiepop cell phone theme during the scene when Rukia was being suspicious of Orihime's bruises?
Tsukiyomi
2004-10-13, 11:04
The girls of bleach are alot cuter animated than i thought. And Orihime is freakier in person =P .. she's so adorable...~~
Rukia is sooooo cute I love her :love: :love:
Hi, could someone please translate the whole of Life is like a boat?
I'm in love with this song but I feel it would mean so much more to me if I new what she was actually saying.
Thanks in advance, nice juicy good rep for whoever does this for me.^^
Edit: Oh and a gmail invite is also up for grabs to whomever translates the song for me. ;) You don't have to pollute the thread, just send it to me in a PM.
Can you tell i'm desperate?
outlaw97
2004-10-13, 11:10
Orihime's chest is smaller than her manga counterpart, but still respectable :naughty:
Somebody better not dare me to do a manga/screencap comparison ...
Tsukiyomi
2004-10-13, 11:14
i dare you.. hehe
she still seems to have the largest set on the scene =P
Crimsonmon
2004-10-13, 11:31
I've been finding Orihime boring every since...
They entered Soul Society
And Yuzu > All
Tiamat's Disciple
2004-10-13, 12:29
Orihime's chest is smaller than her manga counterpart, but still respectable :naughty:
Somebody better not dare me to do a manga/screencap comparison ...
I double dare you :P no escape!!!!
Hi, could someone please translate the whole of Life is like a boat?
I'm in love with this song but I feel it would mean so much more to me if I new what she was actually saying.
Thanks in advance, nice juicy good rep for whoever does this for me.^^
Edit: Oh and a gmail invite is also up for grabs to whomever translates the song for me. ;) You don't have to pollute the thread, just send it to me in a PM.
Can you tell i'm desperate?
Actually our TL did the whole song before the series even aired in preperation (since we didn't know which parts would be in the TV-version)...
I can't send, as it's his work... but you can ask him in our channel if he'd be willing to share it...
hooliganj
2004-10-13, 16:02
Hi, could someone please translate the whole of Life is like a boat?
I'm in love with this song but I feel it would mean so much more to me if I new what she was actually saying.
Thanks in advance, nice juicy good rep for whoever does this for me.^^
If you don't mind an amateur's work, then I'll take a shot at this. Be warned, the song contains more complex language than I originally expected, so this may be off, but I got it into something I don't mind posting.
Italics represent the translated Japanese verses.
Life is Like a Boat by Rie Fu
Nobody knows who I really am
I never felt this empty before
And if I ever need someone to come along
Who’s gonna comfort me and keep me strong?
We are all rowing a boat of fate
The waves keep on comin’ and we can’t escape
But if we ever get lost on our way
The waves will guide you through another day
I know we have so far to go
Within the connections I see
Thoughts of darkness, and so
I adjust my mask of serenity
I offer up a prayer
And wait for a new day
In the brilliance of the shining sea
Until there is a shore
Nobody knows who I really am
Maybe they just don’t give a damn
But if I ever need someone to come along
I know you will follow me and keep me strong
People go fishing in their hearts
And have become deceitful
And again a new cycle of the moon
Brings someone into my heart (note: this verse had me the most confused :confused: )
And every time I see your face
The ocean seeps out of my heart
You make me wanna strain at the oars
And soon I can see the shore
Oh, I can see the shore
When will my heart see the shore?
I want you to know who I really am
I never thought I’d feel this way towards you
And if you ever need someone to come along
I will follow you and keep you strong
Still, the journey continues on
Even on a gentle day
And again a new cycle of the moon
Sends a shine into my heart
I offer up a prayer
And wait for a new day
In the brilliance of the shining sea
Until there is a shore
And every time I see your face
The ocean seeps out of my heart
You make me wanna strain at the oars
And soon I can see the shore
To the uncertain fate of the heart
The waves are the stages of the moon
To us it seems as if
It’s a wonderful journey
What a wonderful journey
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edit: Thanks for the offer, Shay and I'm glad I could help, but I don't have any intention of using gmail for now, so save the invite for a rainy day. :)
Actually our TL did the whole song before the series even aired in preperation (since we didn't know which parts would be in the TV-version)...
I can't send, as it's his work... but you can ask him in our channel if he'd be willing to share it...
Ok whats your channel? Whats his name? or better yet just ask him for me, if he already has it without having to use his brain (Copy and Paste) then i'm sure he'd just gladly give it to you, don't you think?
I'm even offering sexual favours now....(Or the next best thing anyway)
Edit: *Listening and reading* brb.
Edit:2 People go fishing in their hearts
And have become deceitful
And again a new cycle of the moon
Brings someone into my heart (note: this verse had me the most confused :confused: )
That makes perfect sense, well to me anyway. brb
Edit:3 Ok done. Thank you so much hooliganj that sounds just perfect to me, and can't you just tell why it's a Japanese English mix? It just wouldn't sound right in all English. Oh how I love this song, and her voice is just perfect for it, I don't think anyone else could have pulled it off. And she live in the UK aswell I may have to become a stalker.:p Ok now for the rewards! Pos rep and a gmail invite is on it's way. Is that ok with you?
Again thank you ever so much. :bow:
Edit:4 Just pm me any old email and i'll get that gmail invite to you a.s.a.p Even if you already have one it can't harm to have another can it? I have a couple myself and have invites coming out of my ears. :heh:
But thanks again. Wow I really was desperate. *Takes a deep breath I have it now calm down*
Edit:5 Ok....I respect you even more now. Expect good rep on a regular basis, well as regular as AS will allow me. ;)
FlyByNite
2004-10-13, 16:06
Does Orihime have the largest breasts in the manga or does that Blonde Vice-Captain with the mole? She's prettty stacked, it might be that Orihime has a smaller frame so her breasts look even more gigantic on it?
outlaw97
2004-10-13, 18:07
Oh, you just HAD to double-dare me didn't you?!
http://www.acparadise.com/bleach/orihime.html
Wow, I was wrong - they've stayed pretty consistent with the manga after all.
In response to the above poster about the vice captain:
http://www.acparadise.com/bleach/others.html
Tough call, but I think Ganjyuu's sister (on the right) would have to take the crown for biggest bust...
Who's officially got no life? ME!!!!! :heh:
NoSanninWa
2004-10-13, 18:28
Yes, plus souls eaten by Hollows turn into Hollows. It's cool how they added Grand Fisher's invfluence so early in the series. ^^
also did anyone catch that boogiepop cell phone theme during the scene when Rukia was being suspicious of Orihime's bruises?
Ah! You noticed that, but you didn't understand it. I believe you meant the tune right after Orihime turns to leave and continuing while she crosses the street.
That wasn't a cell phone or Boogiepop. That was the sound of the crossing walk. Many crossingwalks in Boogiepop played that song also and you'll notice it in other anime from time to time. The melody is actually a traditional japanese song. I understand that while many crossing walks used to play that song, it is now very rare to find one.
tntrulez
2004-10-13, 19:17
That guy's sister is like a DD or something. 0_o
Looks nice since she has a small body.
Burner of Anime
2004-10-13, 20:28
Oh, you just HAD to double-dare me didn't you?!
http://www.acparadise.com/bleach/orihime.html
Wow, I was wrong - they've stayed pretty consistent with the manga after all.
Not quite, Rukia seems to have grown a cupsize :love:
But Orihime has been rather boring in the manga up till chapter 14 [the last one I read]. Pray this changes.
Ookla The Mok
2004-10-13, 22:07
I understand that while many crossing walks used to play that song, it is now very rare to find one.
When I was in Fukuoka the crosswalks used one melody for north/south one direction and a different melody for east/west. I can't remember if it was the same song as this one in Bleach though. v_v
Crosswalks in Okayama used the same cheep cheep/kuku kuku sound that I hear in Los Angeles.
fierysky
2004-10-14, 00:33
OMG, Rukia is so funny. The way she talking to people was a riot. The accent was..... lol. She tries so hard to fit into "normal" society. =D
Tsukiyomi
2004-10-14, 02:36
Ah! You noticed that, but you didn't understand it. I believe you meant the tune right after Orihime turns to leave and continuing while she crosses the street.
That wasn't a cell phone or Boogiepop. That was the sound of the crossing walk. Many crossingwalks in Boogiepop played that song also and you'll notice it in other anime from time to time. The melody is actually a traditional japanese song. I understand that while many crossing walks used to play that song, it is now very rare to find one.
Wow really?! I learned something new about metro-japanese culture =] I always thought all the animes borrowed the theme haha... Cuz they had it in Animatrix as well :heh: I always thought it was a cell phone ring tone haha.. altho it would be tite to have a ring tone like that..
BeNighted
2004-10-14, 02:52
I don't care too much for the changes, because I feel a lot of the manga's slight downfalls have been corrected.
I am loving Bleach so far. I can't wait for next week >__<
Wolfsbane68
2004-10-14, 03:00
OMG, Rukia is so funny. The way she talking to people was a riot. The accent was..... lol. She tries so hard to fit into "normal" society. =D
I wonder what book did she use to learn how to address others, one about old Imperial Japanese Navy? :) The officers were supposed to "kisama" each other AFAIR.
Shaheed79
2004-10-14, 04:05
Wow. I set my expectations way too high cause it looked like Naruto's team did this. I was not impressed with the first episode so I guess its just not my thing. I don't get a chance to read the manga so maybe thats why. Cliche's up the wazoo but I'm not gonna bore people with the reasons why I don't like it cause many people here do.
NoSanninWa
2004-10-14, 04:25
Wow really?! I learned something new about metro-japanese culture =] I always thought all the animes borrowed the theme haha... Cuz they had it in Animatrix as well :heh: I always thought it was a cell phone ring tone haha.. altho it would be tite to have a ring tone like that..
Actually, if you have the Animatrix DVD, check the extras for the making of Beyond. The director explains a bit about the tune and what it means.
I wonder what book did she use to learn how to address others, one about old Imperial Japanese Navy? :) The officers were supposed to "kisama" each other AFAIR.
Well I believe Rukia was reading shoujo manga in the manga at one point.
IMSabbel
2004-10-14, 05:44
Wow. I set my expectations way too high cause it looked like Naruto's team did this. I was not impressed with the first episode so I guess its just not my thing. I don't get a chance to read the manga so maybe thats why. Cliche's up the wazoo but I'm not gonna bore people with the reasons why I don't like it cause many people here do.
You outet yourself as a narutard, boy.
Cliche up the wazoo is something i would rather bring in connection with naruto...
Well I believe Rukia was reading shoujo manga in the manga at one point.
Viz translates the title of this manga as "The Jade Hermitage", and gives a brief description between chapters three and four:
Written by: Marie Hatsue
A story about soft-masochist Marianne (older sister) and hard-gay Francoise (younger sister) doing all sorts of things over ajade box given to them by their mother (52-year-old-wrestler). Super scary stuff.
Although perhaps what makes it more scary is that Francoise is actually Marianne's younger brother! At least, that's how TW translated it. So I looked it up in my Japanese copy of Bleach, and there it was; the kanji for younger brother (Äï). Anyway, I'm getting too interested in a manga-within-a-manga, the point was that Rukia is indeed trying to learn modern Japanese through shoujo manga, of the horror variety.
Asakura_Y0h
2004-10-14, 09:08
erm i hope this isn't a stupid question but errr... i'm kinda learning Japanese on my own so help me on this one if someone can
Shinu-gami is what their saying right?
Direct transalation is Death - God....
but Kami is God in the dictionary and can't find Gami... so err... can someone explain the grammatical implications of this...
and another thing... just in case ppl haven't seen it yet
if she punches his soul out of his body... does that mean his body is dead or just souless??
here's a fansub comparison thread as always, if you haven't seen it:
here! (http://www.anime-planet.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13681)
asakura, about 2-3 pages of the discussion above are JUST on the term shinigami, haha... so if you want various fansubber opinions, that's the place to look ;)
"Pfft. Anybody who's anybody knows that shinigami translates to "Death Hair"..."
The problem solved :D
dark-alchemist
2004-10-14, 10:06
that traditional music played in the crosswalk scene.. wad's its title?
Crimsonmon
2004-10-14, 12:01
if she punches his soul out of his body... does that mean his body is dead or just souless??
Just souless, and other souls can go inside his body when it's empty.
ShikaShika
2004-10-14, 13:35
Too bad we never got to actually see
Orihime's fantasy.
cdkobasiuk
2004-10-14, 13:51
I just watched the first 2 eps. and was pleased. I read a little of the manga but now much so I didn't have too many expectations. I thought the action sequences were great. I also enjoyed the look of the anime.
I might have a new passion.
cdk
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