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Master Ran
2004-06-07, 08:27
( I really wish a company would translate the novels into english. ^_^; It's nice that there's a fantranslation of it going along but I would really prefer reading a book and having the book..
How about Condor Hero English comics
http://asiapacbooks.com/
Then search for "Condor" there.
i do have vol. 1, 17 and 18.
The only ones available in my place.
Planning to get the rest :(
JolToN49
2004-06-11, 02:23
Does anybody know where i can find the whole trilogy in english? is it available in english? thanks!
It's not what you're looking for, but I did find a website which has detailed summaries of the entire trilogy. It even contains some extensive info regarding the lore and characters of the Condor novels and how they're all related to one another. I'm sorry, but I can't recall the address right now (I should've bookmarked it). I'll get to it when I come across it again, but right now I don't have the time. Just search around the net. :)
Tofu,
To anyone who has seen this far in the live-action series:
How did they handle the alligators in the chinese drama? I don't imagine they'd act very well :D
I saw the old live action one, they had a rubber aligator for Youka to fight on, looks awesome back then. I was still about 5 yr old, I tought it was real. ^^
theres is going to be a season 2 indeed I can only show you a pic' of youka in season #2 and when he will have one arm and even more better and powerful'er than the first: here you go fans
http://tvcity.tvb.com/special/condor_hero/cast/img/c1_1.jpg
License by Jade Animation
BS Fuji
Oh man! I really hope it's true! Where did you get wind of this?
I do hope the CH staff gets a bigger budget this time around.
!!!! that's a great news. ^^
NoSanninWa
2004-07-19, 01:32
Is there any word on when we should expect season 2? I'm personally hoping that it won't be until after the last 3 episodes are released by Live-eviL. While I'm glad to wait for those episodes, the news that there is going to be a new season, just makes we want it to wait until after I've finally seen all of season 1.
If you go to this webpage: http://www.nippon-animation.co.jp/new/title/kanfu/index.html
and translate this line "第27話から第52話の制作進行中です。（来年秋完成予定）日本での放映につきましては現在未 定です" under the broadcasting schedule and translate it with babelfish this is what you get: "It is the production under way of 52nd story from 27th story. (Fall of next year completion schedule) in Japan presently it is undecided concerning televising"
If you turn it around my guess is that it means that episodes 27-52 are in production for fall of next year, but that televising is still under consideration...
Hmm, they seem to have removed the comment as to the second half being in progress. Unless I'm looking at the wrong broadcasting page... Yes as to translation from here.
At least this keeps my hopes up Truth. There's also a videogame for the PC out now too. :D
This is my favorite series! Argh, I can't wait for the second season. One year is too long to wait.
NoSanninWa
2004-07-20, 14:21
Heh. By fall of next year, there is a pretty good chance that Live-eviL will have finished subbing the first season, so they will be able to start subbing the second. :)
Maybe they'll even rebroadcast the first season in preparation for it so Live-eviL can get better raws. I heard once that they intended to do version 2s of this show if they ever got better raws. I'll cross my fingers about it being true because there is now a good chance that they can get those raws!
LifeRever
2004-07-23, 21:06
This is just a question on Condor Hero.
has it been lisenced or are the ppl doint the subing just taking there time.
iam just wonder and have no intent on being rude. (sorry if it comes of that way).
:uhoh:
This is just a question on Condor Hero.
has it been lisenced or are the ppl doint the subing just taking there time.
iam just wonder and have no intent on being rude. (sorry if it comes of that way).
:uhoh:
No it hasn't been licensed yet and yes the group still subbing it (L-E) can take as long as they wan't to. They prefer quality in their relaseses which is a good thing even though they take forever to release the subs. So just sit back and be patient.
Ways to check to see if a series is licensed or not:
License Database (http://v2.animesuki.com/licensed.php)
How Many Episodes: Answered here! (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=156)
May i check? Currently there is only 23 episodes out right?
NoSanninWa
2004-07-26, 02:25
Your answer is kept continuously updated at AnimeSuki's http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/79.html]Condor Hero series page.
smilealwiz
2004-07-28, 03:59
you guys should watch the Hong Kong dramatization of this, the one where Yokou (Yang Guo) is acted by Andy Lau. :heh: Seriously that kicks ass!!!
And fyi, this Condor Hero series is just the second installment in a long martial arts novel series, which started from Yokou's parents (I believe there's a 3rd installment too, after Condor Hero, but not as closely related as the first two).
used to watch them every week when I was young :heh:
NoSanninWa
2004-07-28, 05:47
you guys should watch the Hong Kong dramatization of this, the one where Yokou (Yang Guo) is acted by Andy Lau. :heh: Seriously that kicks ass!!!
And fyi, this Condor Hero series is just the second installment in a long martial arts novel series, which started from Yokou's parents (I believe there's a 3rd installment too, after Condor Hero, but not as closely related as the first two).
used to watch them every week when I was young :heh:
I'm just pointing out that both of these topics were already disucussed at some length here and there is no reason to get into them, yet again. Please read the thread before getting in this digression.
Even though it has been discussed here, the discussion of the live action dramatization properly belongs in legend of condor hero live action opinions if you want to discuss that subject.
You can only guess why this thread is in this forum :)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002TT01O/104-5070890-5476716?v=glance&s=dvd&vi=tech-info
7thMethuselah
2004-08-16, 17:29
I guess NoSanninWa is doing the happy dance by now :heh:
Ah well, Live-eviL was releasing like one ep every 6 weeks, the DVD's might actually be faster :) But I loved the LE version, those DVD better be damn good !
NoSanninWa
2004-08-16, 17:38
Unless I misunderstand something, those are R2 DVDs?
Just for the record, AnimeSuki lists anime which is release on R2 DVDs with english subtitles as long as the translation of the episodes we list are fansubbed by the group that releases them. In other words we will continue to list Live-eviL's version since they are not subtitle-rips. At least we'll continue to list them as long as Live-eviL doesn't want us to stop.
I hope that Live-eviL continues because I doubt that a R2 company will have english subtitles at the same level of quality that we have become accustomed to.
7thMethuselah
2004-08-16, 17:43
Unless I misunderstand something, those are R2 DVDs?
Just for the record, AnimeSuki lists anime which is release on R2 DVDs with english subtitles as long as the translation of the episodes we list are fansubbed by the group that releases them. In other words we will continue to list Live-eviL's version since they are not subtitle-rips. At least we'll continue to list them as long as Live-eviL doesn't want us to stop.
I hope that Live-eviL continues because I doubt that a R2 company will have english subtitles at the same level of quality that we have become accustomed to.
Well
Edition Details:
• Region 1 (U.S. and Canada only)
So it's clearly region 1. Unless it's a company who releases mostly in region 2 and is trying the US market. I checked other sites and no one mentions anything about a license for R1 concerning Condor Hero.
And R2 companies can be decent in english as well, england happens to be part of region 2 :heh:
Please note that the Amazon page indicates it's a Region 1 release.
Looking at the website of the company releasing this, Tai Seng Entertainment (http://www.taiseng.com/), I'm not actualy sure if it's Legend of Condor Hero, or Condor Hero being released (remember that Legend of Condor Hero is Live-Action while Condor Hero is Anime).
On their site, I can only find the following "We will be premiering our first anime series, THE LEGEND OF CONDOR HERO, in October!". So this seems to imply it's an anime not live-action...
I can find bugger all else about the release on their web site apart from the sentence on the front page. Searching the site brings up nothing. They also seem not to supply info on the Region code for their DVD releases, a typical DVD rlease has this to say for itself
FEATURES: Dolby Digital 5.1 Sound. Languages: Korean Dolby Digital 5.1, Mandarin. On/Off English and Chinese subtitles. Chapters. Letterboxed. Import.No indication if it's R1, R2, or even R0
Edit:
OK, so the Live-Action seems to be called Legend of Condor Hero 2003 and the anime of Condor Hero is also known as Legend of Condor Hero...
So it does seem to be the anime after all.
JustAnotherFan
2004-08-16, 17:55
I was searching for any other sources since I got that amazon link on irc 2 hours ago, but until now I didn't find anything.
The cover on amazon clearly shows anime characters, but I am not too sure whether this is good enough to asume it's the anime.
And uh, did someone consider the chance it might be a bootleg?
7thMethuselah
2004-08-16, 17:56
I can find bugger all else about the release on their web site apart from the sentence on the front page. Searching the site brings up nothing. They also seem not to supply info on the Region code for their DVD releases, a typical DVD rlease has this to say for itself
No indication if it's R1, R2, or even R0
Same here, been going through the website but can't even find the title at all, neither legend of condor hero or condor hero itself.
The cover on amazon clearly shows anime characters, but I am not too sure whether this is good enough to asume it's the anime.
Hah, when I first looked at Amazon, all I got was the red cross-in-a-box :) Now it shows an image. Yes, indeed the anime Condor Hero!
BTW, edited my post above.
Melazoma
2004-08-16, 18:04
Tai Seng is legit, last time I checked. This company also has a frontpage link to Central Park Media. CPM has a link to Tai Seng as well. The two companies' relationship is unclear.
If anything, that is one ugly cover. I've never seen an episode of Condor Hero, I migth read the novel in Chinese one of these days, and until I see something that appeals to me in Tai Seng's handling of this release (redone cover art, Mandarin Dub and Japanese Dub track, a spiffy series artbox and so on), I'm not buying.
NoSanninWa
2004-08-16, 18:04
I was confused by the name of the company that was releasing the DVD. Tai Seng. I didn't recognize the name at first since I wasn't thinking about any of the Hong Kong movies that they import. (I was in an anime only mode.) I should have looked closer. It does indeed seem that Condor Hero might be licensed. I doubt that Tai Seng will do nearly as good a job at subtitling this as Live-eviL did unless it is well above the level of their live action releases. This is a huge disappointment to me.
7thMethuselah
2004-08-16, 18:09
And uh, did someone consider the chance it might be a bootleg?
Hmm, it gets sold here as well but with even less information ...
http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemID=TAI057184
Melazoma
2004-08-16, 18:33
Hmm, it gets sold here as well but with even less information ...
http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemID=TAI057184Found something on Best Prices here (http://www.bestprices.com/cgi-bin/vlink/601641571845IE.html).
It lists the publisher as Tai Seng. This is what I don't get: it says "ENG-CH-SUB." Does that mean there's no Japanese dub track?
Live-Evil pulled the torrents from scarywater.
JustAnotherFan
2004-08-16, 20:21
Live-Evil pulled the torrents from scarywater.
They were gone before the discussion here even started.
hamiko_san
2004-08-16, 21:03
10 things more, you never know.
They were gone before the discussion here even started.
Since no one else pointed this out to the mods and/or torrent listers on this thread, I thought I would. You'd think live-evil wants everyone to stop distribution of a series they consider licensed. :twitch:
Tofusensei
2004-08-16, 23:39
As a representative of Live-eviL, I have to say that we are NOT happy with this license announcement. The company that licensed it is a low-budget, niche company, who will not do much to spread the awareness of this great show. If the show was going to be licensed, this was the worst possible scenario, IMO.
I do have to say that I am excited to be able to finally purchase it on DVD (which better be in the original 16:9 widescreen format or a lot of people are going to be very upset.)
-Tofu
The 2nd series is being made right? is that mean these guys hold the license too?
Ps: Me too, Tofu. I hope their DVD version is high quality. That's the only thing I want since I don't listen to the dub. ^^
Melazoma
2004-08-17, 00:21
I think a lot of people are going to be upset then. According to the Online Retailer BestPrices' Condor Hero Listing Here(linking it again):
http://www.bestprices.com/cgi-bin/vlink/601641571845IE.html
It says: DVD/FF/DD 5.1/ENG-CH-SUB
Which generally means DVD/Full Frame(4:3)/Dolby Digital 5.1.
What I do not understand is the part where it says "ENG-CH-SUB."
There are no concrete information coming from Tai Seng, either...
That's quite the bad news...
But hey, at least this baby's cheap! Maybe everybody can buy the DVDs and Live-eviL could release scripts (for viewing with the DVDs) if the translations really, really suck.
Wow. Condor Hero got licensed? Even though this series is one of my favorites, I never thought it could happen. I mean, I was already satisfied seeing this on AXN, and I've always wanted to collect the entire thing one way or another, but for some reason, I have mixed feelings about this.
I guess it's because of the company that has licensed it. It's the first time I've heard of this Tai Seng, and I have no idea what their street cred is like. Another concern of mine is the Chinese audio track. It'll probably suit the setting and story of the series more, but I've already grown used to the Japanese voice acting. Still, I hope this turns out well.
Something is confusing me though. Here's a link (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002TT01O/102-3057246-0482530?v=glance&s=dvd&vi=tech-info) of the cover. If you click on it for a bigger picture, you'll see that it says, "based on the martial arts novel by Louis Cha!" Wasn't the original novel written by Jin Yong? :confused:
It lists the publisher as Tai Seng. This is what I don't get: it says "ENG-CH-SUB." Does that mean there's no Japanese dub track?
I'm not sure what the problem is here. I assume that "ENG-CH-SUB" means that it has an English subtitle track and a Chinese subtitle track. An assumption can be made thatit also has a Japanese language track (and maybe even English and Chinese dub tracks).
Or do you read "ENG-CH-SUB" to mean an English language track, a Chinese language track and subtitles, therefore no Japanese audio track? If so, it would seem odd to just say "SUB" without saying what language the subs are in.
I would think that it's the first option, "ENG-CH-SUB" is listing the subtitle tracks available. It makes no mention of what audio tracks are present.
But as we have seen, info is scarce about the release. DeepDiscount notes "Language: English", Amazon says nought, BestPrices says "ENG-CH-SUB", Tai Seng Entertainment says nothing at all. To me it just looks like that Tai Seng haven't supplied the retailers a lot of additional info beyond the basics. It would seem the retailers have had to make some guesses as to what the DVD has in the way of subtitle and audio tracks.
jennwenn
2004-08-17, 10:40
As a representative of Live-eviL, I have to say that we are NOT happy with this license announcement. The company that licensed it is a low-budget, niche company, who will not do much to spread the awareness of this great show. If the show was going to be licensed, this was the worst possible scenario, IMO.
I do have to say that I am excited to be able to finally purchase it on DVD (which better be in the original 16:9 widescreen format or a lot of people are going to be very upset.)
-Tofu
I wish CPM would do a co-release with them or something like that. I hope it doesn't end up like the company who's releasing Jojo's, in that its difficult to find their DVDs in stores.
Hopefully, this company will CLEARLY market it as anime, because if anime fans mistake it for Chinese animation, knowing their closed minds and unjustifiable pickiness, they will ignore it. (Silly anime fans...)
Master Ran
2004-08-21, 08:39
My friend bought a DVD Condor Hero (the anime) a month ago...and its Chinese dub with optional Chinese subs.
Mind you, the anime has been telecast in most parts of Asia in its original Japanese track with good english subs.
Anyway, whats creepy about the DVD is that when you start to play the disc,
you see this Warner Brothers logo.
http://www.cinema-city.com/warner41
No kidding. :twitch: lol
He's not really complaining 'cuz the quality of the DVD was pretty good and its really really cheap here :heh:
To those of you who has the DVD vol 1, how far did the story go in reference to what Live_eviL used to have? I believe it was a total of 23 episodes, the last being the 2 the main girl character getting ready to get married.... Thanks
plastic unicorn
2004-08-21, 17:58
To those of you who has the DVD vol 1, how far did the story go in reference to what Live_eviL used to have? I believe it was a total of 23 episodes, the last being the 2 the main girl character getting ready to get married.... Thanks
i am guessing that there are about 3 episodes on vol.1, 75 mins seems right give or take a few mins. ; but it hasnt actually been released yet so I doubt that anyone has a copy of this specific release so as to confirm.
as far as getting a hold of it in England... well, I am confident that it will never come here. i guess i am going to have to not only wait till they get around to retailing the last 3 eps of the first season of condor hero, but then also weeks of expensive shipping from the states.
condor hero is one of my favorite animes, and i am dissapointed that such a dubious publisher has taken to distribute it. it could go very wrong.
maybe LiveEvil might do a favor for the fans and slip us the last 3 episodes?
I was to. Condor Hero was my favorite until it got licensed... dammmit!!!
To those of you who has the DVD vol 1, how far did the story go in reference to what Live_eviL used to have? I believe it was a total of 23 episodes, the last being the 2 the main girl character getting ready to get married.... Thanks
I assume that you meant the DVD volume 1 for the Asian release? A bit hard for anyone in R1 to get the disc when it won't be out till mid October. :)
26 episodes in the first season covering the first half of the novel. The marriage part happens, if I remember correctly,
in the third quarter of the novel instead.
Anyone who can say anything about season 2? Will it soon be out? I hope it`s going to be released with the DVD`s from Taiseng 2 (Hope Taiseng is good with subbing 2 :) )
theres is going to be a season 2 indeed I can only show you a pic' of youka in season #2 and when he will have one arm and even more better and powerful'er than the first: here you go fans
http://tvcity.tvb.com/special/condor_hero/cast/img/c1_1.jpg
License by Jade Animation
BS Fuji
Not to nitpick, but the color of the sword is wrong. The sword he used later is a very dull black sword with no sharp edges. The whole point of that sword is that it's night indestructible, and there are no fancy techniques involved with that sword.
Not to nitpick, but the color of the sword is wrong. The sword he used later is a very dull black sword with no sharp edges. The whole point of that sword is that it's night indestructible, and there are no fancy techniques involved with that sword.
Well i think its the right sword because... SPOIL:
This sword is special, its so heavy that nobody can hold it, Youka`s special training does that he can use it even with one arm. It also 2 more special swords and 2 that isn`t mentioned. the owner of the swords was the "world`s best swordman
Well i think its the right sword because... SPOIL:
This sword is special, its so heavy that nobody can hold it, Youka`s special training does that he can use it even with one arm. It also 2 more special swords and 2 that isn`t mentioned. the owner of the swords was the "world`s best swordman
Dimension wise, the sword look about right. My problem is that the color is wrong. It's simply described as a dull black sword with rounded edge. Yes, it's heavy as hell (think of a sword made of pure tungsten or tungsten carbide).
Dimension wise, the sword look about right. My problem is that the color is wrong. It's simply described as a dull black sword with rounded edge. Yes, it's heavy as hell (think of a sword made of pure tungsten or tungsten carbide).
Well, anyway, same with right sword or not.. hope for the best of season 2 soon..
If you go to this webpage: http://www.nippon-animation.co.jp/new/title/kanfu/index.html
and translate this line "第27話から第52話の制作進行中です。（来年秋完成予定）日本での放映につきましては現在未 定です" under the broadcasting schedule and translate it with babelfish this is what you get: "It is the production under way of 52nd story from 27th story. (Fall of next year completion schedule) in Japan presently it is undecided concerning televising"
If you turn it around my guess is that it means that episodes 27-52 are in production for fall of next year, but that televising is still under consideration...
At least this keeps my hopes up
I'm surprised that the show hasn't been canceled yet, it looked like a complete turkey.
Sure, I've only seen ten minutes of a random episode of this series, but I'm positive that's not much of a loss. The entire Jing Yong martial arts dramas have been done to death by the Hong Kong television industry, and I've subsequently developed a bitter skepticism against the quality of any similar adaptations.
Heck, I'm more surprised that they didn't choose to adapt The Heaven Sword and the Dragon Sabre instead. Surely it's more anime-friendly than the chick-flick plot of Condor?
I'm surprised that the show hasn't been canceled yet, it looked like a complete turkey.
Sure, I've only seen ten minutes of a random episode of this series, but I'm positive that's not much of a loss. The entire Jing Yong martial arts dramas have been done to death by the Hong Kong television industry, and I've subsequently developed a bitter skepticism against the quality of any similar adaptations.
Heck, I'm more surprised that they didn't choose to adapt The Heaven Sword and the Dragon Sabre instead. Surely it's more anime-friendly than the chick-flick plot of Condor?
Oh wow, hold on there. ^^
Not everyone seen this series yet, let alone aware about the books. As far as I know the dramas done by TVB were not available in english. And the novels were printed in Chinese letters. Some people haven't even heard about Jin Yong at all. You'll be surprised. ^^
And there is a good reason why alot of people demanded the 2nd season of Condor Hero. Not to be rude with your preference, but there are people who like Youka and Koko love story and would kill to watch the rest of the story animated. ^^
Who knows maybe after they finished with Condor Hero, they will animate Heaven Sword and Dragon Sabre. ^^
Joker-kun
2004-08-24, 07:49
No it hasn't been licensed yet and yes the group still subbing it (L-E) can take as long as they wan't to. They prefer quality in their relaseses which is a good thing even though they take forever to release the subs. So just sit back and be patient.
Ways to check to see if a series is licensed or not:
License Database (http://v2.animesuki.com/licensed.php)
How Many Episodes: Answered here! (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=156)
Umm, LE doesn't have the best quality, infact id say it's about average. Even if they were amazing Qaulity, I guess the encode, timing and translation each take a month. Doesn't matter anymore anyway, since it's licensed.
I`m one of they who could kill to watch the rest of this fantastic show. I`ve seen Dragon Sword And Heavan Sabre, and i think that Condor Hero (not in anime) and Legend of condor Hero (the 1 we are watching know) is 1000 times better.
finally seen 24-26, very good. Even i couldn`t understand anything, (cantonese, japanese, dual language). Pm if you will se..
ironbomb
2004-09-20, 08:50
finally seen 24-26, very good. Even i couldn`t understand anything, (cantonese, japanese, dual language). Pm if you will se..
Where u get eps 24-26 from!?!?
Where u get eps 24-26 from!?!?
The series is now licensed so you are not allowed to ask where to find downloads (unless you want to be banned of course). There is a reason why this thread is now in the DVD & Licensed forum.
The first DVD release is due on the 19th Oct, contains eps 1 to 3, so it will be a while before the later episodes are available.
Hajime Saito
2004-09-28, 02:58
I've just finished watching Live Evil's Condor hero anime...well the 23 eps they released neways...now I'm crying over the fact I can't see the last 3!!! :-(
I want to buy the DVD but I've read this entire thread and I'm all confused. I checked Tai Sheng's website and they dun even have condor hero listed.
I checked available DVDs for sale on several sites and they only have a canto/mando dub with chinese subs
from the forum i assum there'll be a english version right?? and that's the only way we can finish the anime's last 3 eps right???
NoSanninWa
2004-09-28, 03:02
Eventually. It will be awhile until it catches up to episode 23, so be patient.
I want to buy the DVD but I've read this entire thread and I'm all confused. I checked Tai Sheng's website and they dun even have condor hero listed.
I checked available DVDs for sale on several sites and they only have a canto/mando dub with chinese subs
from the forum i assum there'll be a english version right?? and that's the only way we can finish the anime's last 3 eps right???
The DVD (with English subs) has a release date of the 19th October.
It contains the first three episodes and has a retail price of $20, but you can easily find it for under $13. It's listed at DVDPacific (http://www.dvdpacific.com/) as Legend of Condor Hero (http://www.dvdpacific.com/item.asp?ID=622556).
As for Tai Seng's site, well it used to be there but at the moment it seems to be not listed (searching for "condor" or "legend" doesn't bring up any hits). Nice going Tai Seng!
brood-faun
2004-12-04, 13:35
Is it true the dvd release of Condor hero (seaon 1) contain only Chinese/English Audio (no Jap audio)? Also, a season2 was planned; was it already broadcasted? I am saying that because season2 of condor hero(anime not live action) is already available on dvds with only chinese audio.
Is season 2 of condor hero is licensed as well or not?
Thanks!!!
NoSanninWa
2004-12-04, 18:28
Is it true the dvd release of Condor hero (seaon 1) contain only Chinese/English Audio (no Jap audio)? Also, a season2 was planned; was it already broadcasted? I am saying that because season2 of condor hero(anime not live action) is already available on dvds with only chinese audio.
That's true. The DVDs don't seem to have Japanese audio. Even stranger is that on the Chinese audio track was the usual Japanese OP song, but if you listen to the English audio track, they changed the OP song to an entirely different song in Chinese. I can't explain why they have a Chinese song on the English track and a Japanese song on the Chinese track.
Is season 2 of condor hero is licensed as well or not?
Thanks!!!
As far as we know the second season is not licensed. Perhaps after it has been animated we might hear more about it.
darockiscookin
2004-12-11, 03:57
Great News! Legend of Condor Hero season 2 is air on TV at HK. They are up to episode 35 now. I be going to HK next week I'll see if i could get a copy of season 2 and then see wat will happen maybe get it sub. I'm a great fans of Condor Hero been watching all those live action since the day I was born.
Great News! Legend of Condor Hero season 2 is air on TV at HK. They are up to episode 35 now. I be going to HK next week I'll see if i could get a copy of season 2 and then see wat will happen maybe get it sub. I'm a great fans of Condor Hero been watching all those live action since the day I was born.
Except this thread is about the Condor Hero anime, not the Legend of Condor Hero Live-Action.
Perhaps posting your message in the Legend of Condor Hero 2003 - Live Action Discussion thread would be more appropriate.
Tofusensei
2004-12-11, 14:33
Umm, LE doesn't have the best quality, infact id say it's about average. Even if they were amazing Qaulity, I guess the encode, timing and translation each take a month. Doesn't matter anymore anyway, since it's licensed.
I really resent that comment. We did the best with what we had available. Any "fans" who resent us for taking too long to sub it we'd prefer if you had nothing to do with us, positively or negatively.
BTW, for the REAL people who care about Live-eviL, (CENSORED - This is against forum rules), too bad you aren't one of them :(
-Tofu
Joker-kun
2004-12-12, 01:09
I really resent that comment. We did the best with what we had available. Any "fans" who resent us for taking too long to sub it we'd prefer if you had nothing to do with us, positively or negatively.
-Tofu
I never said you didn't do the best with what you have, but plain fact is the quality was average. It may have been amazing with the RAWs which you got, but overall, it was average quality. As for resenting you for taking too long and not associating with you, I don't download anything of Live Evil's, and once again i was saying a simple fact, you guys take long, wasn't complaining about it.
Tofusensei
2004-12-12, 10:54
I never said you didn't do the best with what you have, but plain fact is the quality was average. It may have been amazing with the RAWs which you got, but overall, it was average quality. As for resenting you for taking too long and not associating with you, I don't download anything of Live Evil's, and once again i was saying a simple fact, you guys take long, wasn't complaining about it.
We did take a long time, no denying this. The sad part is, we were actually pacing our releases. We were planning on wrapping at up at the very end of SUmmer 2004 (September), to get ready for the rumored 2nd season if it did indeed start. The big tragedy of the situation is that we would have had them out on schedule except it got licensed and ruined the whole plan. :/
Also, you are aware that we started the project in spring of 2002, right? So you're looking at the "quality" from a fansub age where divx3 was king and 640x480 was brand new technology and controversial. :) We stuck with the same encoding & typsetting basically throughout for consistency sake, but if you were trying to compare the quality of it to more modern fansubs then I think you're doing an unfair comparison. Maybe comparing it to fansubs of the day would be more fair, or looking at some of our newer titles.
Anyway, I don't mean to be defensive, but no, wait, I do. ^^;
BTW, I've seen you mention about your "group"... what group is this? I am curious ^^
-Tofu
darockiscookin
2004-12-12, 12:53
Except this thread is about the Condor Hero anime, not the Legend of Condor Hero Live-Action.
Perhaps posting your message in the Legend of Condor Hero 2003 - Live Action Discussion thread would be more appropriate.
This is about the anime not the live-action. If you read the title of the anime it is called " The Legend of Condor Hero". I know you are thinking about "Return of the Condor Hero" for the title.
Tofusensei
2004-12-12, 13:18
This is about the anime not the live-action. If you read the title of the anime it is called " The Legend of Condor Hero". I know you are thinking about "Return of the Condor Hero" for the title.
I'm going to fully look into getting raws for this show (albeit in Chinese). There is a good chance that we'll have to wait for VCDs or DVDs to come out though.
Please, if ANYONE knows anything about this show and where to get raws (anything about Chinese warez/tv rip scene), I'd really be interested in it.
Feel free to message me on here or email me at Tofusensei@live-evil.org thank you :)
-Tofusensei (of Live-eviL)
The Yellow Dwarf
2004-12-12, 13:53
I'm surprised that the show hasn't been canceled yet, it looked like a complete turkey.
Sure, I've only seen ten minutes of a random episode of this series, but I'm positive that's not much of a loss. The entire Jing Yong martial arts dramas have been done to death by the Hong Kong television industry, and I've subsequently developed a bitter skepticism against the quality of any similar adaptations.
Heck, I'm more surprised that they didn't choose to adapt The Heaven Sword and the Dragon Sabre instead. Surely it's more anime-friendly than the chick-flick plot of Condor?
I'd say 90% of motion picture adaptations of Louis Cha's novels are flops, including teledramas.
The anime just falls prey to the same-old kiddidization that over-simplified the relationships and conflicts - which is a pretty standard procedure in most anime adaptations of novels. Also, Louis Cha's works have only recently been introduced in Japan (I think it was the mid 90's), so it's still pretty new there I think.
Cha himself had said plenty times in interviews that he doesn't like film/drama adaptations, but I guess it brings in enough money so he doesn't complain much. Although, he had always insisted that Chinese martial arts novels should not be translated into European languages, because they are very cuturally Chinese (particularly Cha's works). Perhaps this is why in attempting to broaden the range of audience the anime just loses the Chineseness and just starts ... sucking.
I wonder how western audiences are responding to it... (The most vocal people about this anime seems to be people who have already read the novels/watched the Hong Kong TV dramas.)
Tofusensei
2004-12-12, 14:15
I wonder how western audiences are responding to it... (The most vocal people about this anime seems to be people who have already read the novels/watched the Hong Kong TV dramas.)
Well, speaking as an operator from live-evil, I have probably one of the best insights into the western audience for Condor Hero pre-licensing, anyway. All I can say is that the vast majority of the fans were
1) Chinese
2) Probably grew up watching the dramas on television
3) Fans of wuxia in general, and may or may not have read the books
4) Very vocal (I think it's a chinese thing).
Every time we'd release an episode of Condor Hero, we'd see our irc channel/forums fill up for about a week or so with very active, vibrant discussions about the whole Condor Hero series (books, dramas, the 1983 one is a particular fan favorite, maybe because it has rerun on TV so many times)...
There were actually very few western fans who were introduced to the series through the english subs of the anime and/or dramas. The few that did like it appreciated it for its epic story more than anything, I believe. It's rare to see an anime or TV drama with such an epic story as say LOCH or ROCH has, so that was a breath of fresh air. But these people are very small in numbers and not very vocal (compared to the Chinese fans.)
Going along with this, there is a reason the show was licensed by a company that focuses on selling Chinese martial arts movies, and I do believe their target audience for this anime in particular was Chinese-Americans or Chinese people living in America/Canada. It has never really been marketed outside of a Chinese context. (not counting Vietnam and southeast Asia.)
I *think* the anime had a really good chance to broaden the fanbase a lot but the vast majority of people who had no connection with the storyline, or wuxia in general were immediately turned off by the low-budget animation, and only the hardcore fans who already knew the story stayed to watch w/ a few westerners who were not so closed-minded.
If they had really shined up the animation and marketed it better in Japan and/or America, I think the storyline is strong enough (especially in ROCH w/ the love story) that it would have really broken some barriers. It's a shame that they didn't and as a result they settled for once again catering to Chinese people only. Although I believe America is starting to open up more to real Chinese media what with the popularity of CTHD, and Hero and now the House of Flying Daggers. These movies are being produced with a western audience in mind (which might be alienating their base Chinese audiences), but it is moving us one step closer to American acceptance of wuxia in general.
I pray for the day that professional translations of the Condor Hero trilogies get released in American bookstores. ^^;
-Tofu
Tofusensei
2004-12-12, 14:37
Posted twice, disregard this. Sorry :(
Tofusensei
2004-12-12, 14:38
If you care at all to see Condor Hero Season 2 (anime), read this, please (http://forum.live-evil.org/YaBB.pl?board=Condor;action=display;num=1102879926 )
-Tofu
The Yellow Dwarf
2004-12-12, 16:03
Going along with this, there is a reason the show was licensed by a company that focuses on selling Chinese martial arts movies, and I do believe their target audience for this anime in particular was Chinese-Americans or Chinese people living in America/Canada. It has never really been marketed outside of a Chinese context. (not counting Vietnam and southeast Asia.)
I *think* the anime had a really good chance to broaden the fanbase a lot but the vast majority of people who had no connection with the storyline, or wuxia in general were immediately turned off by the low-budget animation, and only the hardcore fans who already knew the story stayed to watch w/ a few westerners who were not so closed-minded.
If they had really shined up the animation and marketed it better in Japan and/or America, I think the storyline is strong enough (especially in ROCH w/ the love story) that it would have really broken some barriers. It's a shame that they didn't and as a result they settled for once again catering to Chinese people only. Although I believe America is starting to open up more to real Chinese media what with the popularity of CTHD, and Hero and now the House of Flying Daggers. These movies are being produced with a western audience in mind (which might be alienating their base Chinese audiences), but it is moving us one step closer to American acceptance of wuxia in general.
I pray for the day that professional translations of the Condor Hero trilogies get released in American bookstores. ^^;
-Tofu
Thank you for the response. I kind of expected the audience to be mainly Chinese. I think there is a reason why you would get immense reponses from Chinese audiences - I think Louis Cha is the most widely-read Chinese author today, popular both in China (PRC, HK, TW, etc.) and in Chinese-speaking circles abroad. It is no surprise that they are vocal about it.
While it is disappointing that there are few western viewers, I don't find it surprising. ROCH is very tightly bound to Chinese history and culture (as are most of Cha's works), the story opens with not one, but two Song dynasty lyrical poem in old Chinese; LOCH begins with a narrative about the history of the Song dynasty and the "barbarian invasion." I would expect the same lukewarm treatment if the Arthurian legends were translated into Chinese or Japanese.
Moreover, there are a few central ideas to ROCH that are very jarring to western liberal sensibilities (though perhaps not so much given the climate post 911). 1. one of the main conflicts is the "forbidden love" between a student and a teacher, which is unintelligible to a western audience; 2. a very strong sense of Nationalism in the theme of "defeating the barbarians" (Cha himself favors the unification of China and Taiwan); 3. the negative portrayal of the Mongolian people, the Tibetan people, etc. which may strike a chord in some politic-savvy as PI; 4. unmistakable male-chauvinist attitude.
Perhaps because animation is still primarily seen as a medium targeted mostly at children (which is not too far from the truth), complex plot points, morally ambiguous situations and mature themes are often dropped and the conflicting groups are color-coded and simplified. (I am still lamenting how the anime butchered Ribakushuu - my favorite among Cha's female characters.) That is perhaps why, the theme of "love" is reduced to the relationship between Youka and his "koko", while the original novel has a much more ambivalent attitude towards it.
To paraphrase Cha's description of the fruit of the "Love Flower": "Some of the fruits are really sweet, but some are sour, some are spicy and some are bitter; but you cannot know how each one tastes just by looking at the appearance. An ugly fruit may taste exceptionally sweet; a fruit that looks pretty may not be fit for eating." This again echoes the very beginning, where an old man eats lotus seeds without peeling off the skin and finds it "bitter"; but when a little girl peels it properly for him, he thought it was "crisp and sweet, nothing like what he just chewed on." Without concentrating on Youka's love life, Ribakushuu, her student, the student's cousin, the cousin teacher, the teacher's daughter's students' father, that father's "adopted daughter" - all have had tasted the bitter and ugly love and lead sad, depressing lives because of it. Even the ending closes not with a loving celebration or marriage, but a scene of another young girls' heart broken.
In an anime, it is perhaps not possible to show all of these people they way they are shown in the novel; and certainly they will not be shown should the primarily target audience be children and teenagers. It is unfortunate, but somehow inevitable. The production value of the anime is subpar, but a good script might still save low framerates and bad drawings (within reason, of course), but that is impossible when a loose and convoluted plot is forced to be simplified and compressed for time.
Whew...look at me going on and on, I suppose that's the Chinese in me. :heh:
BTW, The Deer and the Cauldron has been translated into English by a quite capable translator/intepretor John Minford, who showed no mercy in cutting out chunks and chunks of the original (mostly poetry and descriptions of fighting moves with fancy names like "Ten Mile Dragon Roll") to suit the style of a western audience. This is AFAIK the only readable English translation of a Cha novel, but even so it's got more than a tinge of Twainesque tone. Interestingly, some more faithful translations such as Fox Volant of the Snowy Mountain is horribly unreadable.
Is there a anime version of the 1st of the Condor Hero trilogy? I like the 1st one, hate the 2nd one, and really don't care much about the 3rd one.
Azn_Invasion
2004-12-13, 01:24
If you care at all to see Condor Hero Season 2 (anime), read this, please (http://forum.live-evil.org/YaBB.pl?board=Condor;action=display;num=1102879926 )
-Tofu
I went to L E's website and it said that L E had abandoned the Condor hero project and was only doing live stuff?? :confused:
I went to L E's website and it said that L E had abandoned the Condor hero project and was only doing live stuff?? :confused:
No, no, no, no, no (did i already said no?). We abandoned the Condor Hero anime (Season 1) because it got licensed.
We will now work on season 2, as you can see in the post that Tofu made in our forum.
Well count me in as one of the lucky ones who stumbled across this underrated series.. I just finished watching 26 episodes and I want more !!!
This was like a cure after watching 12 kingdoms and not being able to find anything as good for a long time.. such a great story
Anyways.. Someone mentioned about links being posted before, I've searched the forum but coulndnt find any links to translated novels.. perhaps I missed it but still If anyone could post it again It'd be greatly appreciated
Also, I guess theres a 2nd season being aired... How many episodes is it supposed to be?
Great News! Legend of Condor Hero season 2 is air on TV at HK. They are up to episode 35 now. I be going to HK next week I'll see if i could get a copy of season 2 and then see wat will happen maybe get it sub. I'm a great fans of Condor Hero been watching all those live action since the day I was born.
Hey
Any news ?
NoSanninWa
2004-12-23, 07:54
Live-eviL has posted in this thread that they are trying to find a Cantonese translator to help them sub the second season. It is also listed on their forum here (http://forum.live-evil.org/YaBB.pl?board=Condor;action=display;num=1102879926 )!
Crescent_Snow
2006-03-10, 00:25
just what the titles says. i've been waiting a loooonnnnggggg time and was wondering if it was ever going to come out... anybody know?
Probably Not.
It's been over 5 years and it was a chinese production done by Japanese Animators if I remember right.
NoSanninWa
2006-03-11, 02:50
Probably Not.
It's been over 5 years and it was a chinese production done by Japanese Animators if I remember right.
Despite the very long gap between seasons 1 and 2, season 2 was produced just last year, so it is well too soon to rule out a season 3.
Where can i get the season 2?
gumbaloom
2006-03-15, 02:35
Season 2 is licensed dude. Dont ask where to get licensed anime.
-gumbaloom
I think season 2 was completely done by Chinese animators—Jade Animation if I'm not mistaken. Season 2 was also never shown in Japan.
They just have to do season 3! Did you guys watch the last episode of the 2nd season? That was like, the first episode of a new story arc, and they ended the 2nd season with that?! Jesus, how frustrating that was. I should've heeded the warning beforehand, but I just had to watch it. I just had to. And unfortunately, I did.
NoSanninWa
2006-03-15, 03:09
I think season 2 was completely done by Chinese animators—Jade Animation if I'm not mistaken. Season 2 was also never shown in Japan.
They just have to do season 3! Did you guys watch the last episode of the 2nd season? That was like, the first episode of a new story arc, and they ended the 2nd season with that?! Jesus, how frustrating that was. I should've heeded the warning beforehand, but I just had to watch it. I just had to. And unfortunately, I did.
And the ending of season 1 was any less of a cliff-hanger? I think not. At least the cliff-hanger at the end of season 1 was resolved. Now I just have to wait for another few years until season 3 is animated. I just hope that the animation doesn't suck as horribly as the season 2 animation.
Personally, yes. It was less of a cliff-hanger. Of course, we all can't wait to see what happens next, but it was a good season ender in my opinion. The last episode of season 1 --
-- had a sense of "more or less" finality to it. It had a sense of closure for the 1st season, while being open enough for the 2nd. The finale to Season 2 on the other hand, had this "a new adversary appears" tone to it. As others have mentioned before, the second to the last episode would've been a better episode to end the 2nd season.
Season 2 is licensed dude. Dont ask where to get licensed anime.
-gumbaloom
Season 2 was licensed? I hope they hurry, they just barely put out the last disk to Season 1 in English.
i recently finished season 1 and i was very impressed. the love story between guo and goo goo was well pulled off.
hmm btw can anyone whos read the full Return of Condor Heroes novel tell me how it ends?
edit: nm i found a site summarizing the whole novel and the ending. im pretty happy to find out how things turned out :) you can find out here
http://condorheroes.silverthreads.net/roch_guolongnu.php
To those interested: The novel ("Return of the Condor Hero" or as the site translates it, "Divine Eagle, Gallant Knight") has been translated online, (http://wuxiapedia.com/novels/jin_yong/divine_eagle_gallant_knight) and it's already complete too. Even the Third Edition changes have been explained and translated.
Actually, you can find the whole Condor Trilogy over at wuxiapedia.com (http://wuxiapedia.com/)
SolarAdept
2007-05-16, 13:40
Anyone except me saw it? I saw it and it liked it a lot.
MikaMiaka
2009-05-11, 19:38
Just found this randomly -- ^__^
Epic tale is epic!
This story deserves better animation, but I saw the live action version with Andy Lau when I was little and it just doesn't get old (not that I remember much). I also remember there are 2 other tales that are somewhat related to Condor Heroes-- I'm trying to hunt it down now, does anyone know what I am talking about? I remember I saw a live action version of one when I was little and I think it starred Tony Leung.
Damn, this makes me want to learn some hardcore martial arts. :heh:
SagaraSouske
2009-05-11, 20:50
The other two are:
The Legend of Condor Heroes (Prequel)
Heaven Sword and Dragon Sabre (Sequel but not a direct one since most of the characters are no longer alive)
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