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Tofusensei
2003-11-09, 03:18
Okay, Live-eviL has released ep 15 of Condor Hero and it's an awesome episode. This show is really getting better with each ep! :)
Now, new rule, no more bitching about condor hero releases for at least 2 more weeks
-Tofu :nono:
All hale ye who calls himself tofusensei,he has provided us with are fix of the dangerous drug know only as Condor Hero.
And i swear i wont bitch about 16,just to let you know i didnt really bitch,well i did at tanman for telling us all that he was goning to watch it like 2 weeks ago.He was just rubbing it in are faces.
Yeah 15 is out im dloading it now, i cant wait. Thanks Tofu
Thank you so much~! I'm downloading it now. :D I'm *loving* Condor Hero so much! I can't believe I had never heard of it and I'm glad I randomly downloaded it one day. ^-^ Ooh I can't wait~
Miscreant
2003-11-09, 05:47
Okay, I won't bitch. I will however, shake my fits at the sky and wonder why oh why must the only episode we're likely to see for the next few weeks, end on such a cliffhanger?
I've been waiting for months to see Youka -- for lack of a good euphemism -- kick someone's ass, with his new martial arts techniques.
Does that count as bitching? If it does, I'll temper it with a little praise. Great job on this episode guys. Condor Hero is one of the rare animes that I can instantly get back into, even if I haven't seen an episode in a while.
On a side note, was Condor Hero ever released on DVD in Japan?
Just finished watching this episode and I gotta say it was awsome, words cannot explain what I felt when (well u could guess what im going to say but i dont wanna spoil it). In this episode I think I felt what Youka was feeling. Nooooo another two weeks again till the next release, but i'll wait quietly. :)
Don Eunuch
2003-11-09, 11:16
I just watched it. Unfortunately the animation for fights is just terrible. Must be a really tight budget.
Miscreant - Not that I had found. If a R2 version came out in DVD, it was likely a short run.
The anime, though, is available as a Cantonese dub on YesAsia.com, but they're no longer carrying the first 12 episodes. The last batch, episodes 13 through 26, is available.
Tofusensei
2003-11-09, 13:49
Trust me, if there were any available better raws than the one L-E is using, I would have personally bought them the second they were available. :/
-Tofu
whatever123
2003-11-09, 15:12
i watched the episode and it was great i hope youka & shoryuja kick the mongolina bastard asses in the next episode
I just watched it. Unfortunately the animation for fights is just terrible. Must be a really tight budget.
I think it's pretty good, considering it was done in 2001. usually older things pale in comparison when surrounded by the bleeding edge.
I really don't care too much about the animation quality I think the animation level is bearable hardly noticeable. Any fan of CH knows its the story that counts, the story is simply amazing.
Ah! Now I'm dying for the next episode~ I really wish it had been released on R2 DVD because I would *so* buy it. =/ All I can hope for now is maybe someone licensing it .:cough:. ..anywone? lol.
This was a pretty good episode I think. ^_^; I was waiting for him to start showing off his skills. But I cannot wait to see what happens next! X_X
Man I love this series! After watching episode 15, I was so hyped up I felt like running around. :heh: Keep up the good work!
Don Eunuch
2003-11-09, 22:56
i watched the episode and it was great i hope youka & shoryuja kick the mongolina bastard asses in the next episode
I don't think Mongolians will appreciate you calling them that. The author never depicated the Mongol characters as particulary evil, they are "bad" because of political reasons(though they rape and pillage). Most the really evil individuals are Han Chinese and there are quite a few good Mongolians.
The Mongolians were the "good" guys till the end of The Legend Of The Condor Heroes when Ghengis Khan invaded The Song Empire, thus the Song people hated the Mongols, and this topic of hatred between these two nations will be further explored in the sequel, Heaven Sword And Dragon Sabre, where the distinction between good and bad guys are tackled.
Sepiraph
2003-11-10, 00:03
Pretty good episode, but then I already know the story as I've read the Chinese novel. ^_^
I just watched it. Unfortunately the animation for fights is just terrible. Must be a really tight budget.:D..yeap...the animators are being payed minimum wage...result is a terrible fighting scenes...I curse my boss everyday (not outloud) and do as little as possible:D..So I can relate to the animators..But I have to say what the drawing lacks, the story makes up for it..overall a definitely addictive anime...
I don't think Mongolians will appreciate you calling them that..
lol..if Gengish Khan and Halaku Khan hears, they will just abandon their resting place and come out for some good old head-hunting..:D
Relentless
2003-11-10, 00:22
Pretty good episode, but then I already know the story as I've read the Chinese novel. ^_^
I guess there's little hope of finding the novels in English? :sad:
Mind you, I'm not bitching, but from time to time I have this dream where L-E pulls off another "You're Under Arrest 2nd Season Release" and releases all of Condor Hero in one day. :heh:
<sigh> Those were days. I even still remember poor Misuzu. Alas, I knew her well. A girl of infinite bandwidth :love:
Tofusensei
2003-11-10, 00:54
hehe!! The good old days!! ^_^;;;
But I think if the public found out we were hoarding CH eps, I'd probably receive death threats daily!
-Tofu
I am sorta confused on why Koko was acting all lovely dubby with Youka in this episode...those who have seen the Return of the Condor heroes tv drama or read the novels could answer this. Has Koko forgiven Youka for the incident/misunderstanidng in Ep 8?? Or has she found out the truth??
Master Ran
2003-11-10, 03:20
Live-Evil, you're cruel :joke:
Master Ran
I am sorta confused on why Koko was acting all lovely dubby with Youka in this episode...those who have seen the Return of the Condor heroes tv drama or read the novels could answer this. Has Koko forgiven Youka for the incident/misunderstanidng in Ep 8?? Or has she found out the truth??
I wondering about it also, but I guess there just so happy to see each other that they didn't have time to discuss it properly, ie the martial arts tournament. She could of found out that Youka wasn't the one who raped her, but I think the next episodes we'll learn the truth about it.
Don Eunuch
2003-11-10, 05:11
I am sorta confused on why Koko was acting all lovely dubby with Youka in this episode...those who have seen the Return of the Condor heroes tv drama or read the novels could answer this. Has Koko forgiven Youka for the incident/misunderstanidng in Ep 8?? Or has she found out the truth??
Shouryuujo didn't find out anything, she just missed him. BTW koko means aunt and is not a name. Shouryuujo is her name and literally means Little Dragon Girl.
I will also like to point out that the anime made the villians more evil and the good guys more good. IIRC in the original story, Youka was a dishonourable person who first "cheated" and threw needles at the Mongol prince, shaming himself. His uncle has to apologise for his rashness. The Scarlet Immortal's first disciple(the one with dual swords) was also quite a good person. In the anime she is a faceless evil dooer.
Someone had posted a link to a translation project for this novel, but I've lost the URL. They were also up to, I think, chapter 8 at the time. Given that there are a few dozen chapters, you'll have quite a way to go before reaching the end.
http://www.spcnet.tv/jinyong/jyreadingroom.shtml
Thanks for the link! I do think they really translate and release this in the US though.. I would gladly buy it and haven't had any good books to read lately. ^^;
whatever123
2003-11-11, 14:58
i am sorry that my post seemed to cause some misuderstanding.
i meant the bastards who were cheating in the tournament not the mongolians in general.
if i had offended anybody in this forum or anyone in general by my lack of explanation i apologize dearly and sincerely.
i ony read the first 3 chapters of the first book that were translated of legend of the conder hero and yes i do remember that gengis khan was an honorable man so was his generals.
eMpTy265
2003-11-11, 19:25
I am sorta confused on why Koko was acting all lovely dubby with Youka in this episode...those who have seen the Return of the Condor heroes tv drama or read the novels could answer this. Has Koko forgiven Youka for the incident/misunderstanidng in Ep 8?? Or has she found out the truth??
Shouryuujo simply realized that she cannot do without Youka...
she doesn't really realize the truth until later... and by that time...
MASSIVE SPOILER (don't read unless you want to be really spoiled)
Youka had already lost one of his arms.. i won't say from who though. =P
I will also like to point out that the anime made the villians more evil and the good guys more good. IIRC in the original story, Youka was a dishonourable person who first "cheated" and threw needles at the Mongol prince, shaming himself. His uncle has to apologise for his rashness. The Scarlet Immortal's first disciple(the one with dual swords) was also quite a good person. In the anime she is a faceless evil dooer.
Actually, that's not the case...
First:
In the novel, the order of the two fights were reversed, and the reason that Youka interfered was because the weapon of the 'fisherman' (too lazy to find the translation) hit Shouryuujo's foot, and youka made a deal out of it.
By that time, Youka's 'uncle' and their faction had already lost, but youka did the 'you didn't beat my teacher' stuff...
He does beat the mongol prince using poisoned needles (FYI, the poison was the bee poison from before).
Since he (the prince) used it, Youka was justified in using concealed weapons too. Hence it was fair game, and there wasn't much of an apology needed. (Especially when the fate of China relies on the outcome.)
He beat the older disciple using the technique from the 'jiu yin' discipline.... which I won't talk about.
I'll stop here.
Cuz first, the anime deviates from the novel in terms of small details.
Secondly, I don't want to spoil too much by revealing the entire story. Needless to say, this couple (Shouryuujo and Youka) have a REALLY bumpy road ahead of them.
(Ever tried waiting 16 years for someone you love to return?)
MASSIVE SPOILER (don't read unless you want to be really spoiled)
Youka had already lost one of his arms.. i won't say from who though. =P
When does this all happen and from who, spoil me please.
Keitarou20 -
Youka loses his arm at roughly 3/4 of the way through the book. His cousin (and don't ask me her name...) chopped it off in a hissy fit.
Keitarou20 -
Youka loses his arm at roughly 3/4 of the way through the book. His cousin (and don't ask me her name...) chopped it off in a hissy fit.
Thanks Lynnies, do you know if the anime follows the book.
so one of his cousins chop it off, could it be his uncles daughter, the one that seems to like him. For some reason I just cant imagine one arm Youka doing martial arts.
Don Eunuch
2003-11-11, 22:59
First:
In the novel, the order of the two fights were reversed, and the reason that Youka interfered was because the weapon of the 'fisherman' (too lazy to find the translation) hit Shouryuujo's foot, and youka made a deal out of it.
I was talking about the first fight between the scholar and the prince, not the second battle. Youka helped the scholar by throwing his needles when he was standing by the sidelines, before Shouruujo appeared. Do you remember anything about it or was I mistaken?
Thanks for the link! I do think they really translate and release this in the US though.. I would gladly buy it and haven't had any good books to read lately. ^^;
Nah iv asked all over htese boards search yahoo,and amazon.com for them,even called up my local bookstore,not a single place had it.Which pisses me off,See i love the story of condor hero,even if there are any diferneces in the book,than the anime,i still want to read them.And i really dont like to read that much,but i think this story could kepp my head stuck to book instaed of my tv all day.
finally watched it yesterday. it was good but damn these cliff hanger episodes. anyways in the cantonese version, andy lau sings the intro song. that was quite lovely. patience is good.
Keitarou20 -
The anime is faithful to the novel's overarching plotline - up to its stopping point - but it still takes some liberty - as others had pointed out earlier.
Yes, it's Youka's "uncle"'s daughter who did it... with, I think, Shouryuujo's sword that she gave to her. Between the time Youka loses his arm and when he meets up with Shouryuujo after their second parting, he spent some time with the condor learning to use the heavy sword kept in the swords grave that the condor was guarding.
Agent240sx
2003-11-16, 13:54
Wow Just started watching this when a friend recommended the condor hero anime. I've watched the live action one growing up and each time I've watched it I get something new out of this story its amazing, an all time classic. When I was younger it was the most badass kung fu movie, how he came up from nothing and learnt kung fu. Now that i'm older I realised this could possibly be one of the greatest love stories of all time?! wtf! How many times did they seperate and find each other through so many different circumstances and how many obstacles did they have to overcome to be with each other, this story could define love, simply amazing!!
Almost all chinese people know this story glad other people are now able to experience it.
Keitarou20 -
The anime is faithful to the novel's overarching plotline - up to its stopping point - but it still takes some liberty - as others had pointed out earlier.
Yes, it's Youka's "uncle"'s daughter who did it... with, I think, Shouryuujo's sword that she gave to her. Between the time Youka loses his arm and when he meets up with Shouryuujo after their second parting, he spent some time with the condor learning to use the heavy sword kept in the swords grave that the condor was guarding.
Why does Kakufu(a.k.a uncles daughter) do that?
koovoodoo
2003-11-16, 18:59
Why does Kakufu(a.k.a uncles daughter) do that?
She does that because she is jealous of Youka and Koko relationship. IMO, she's just a plain dumb bitch.
Why does Kakufu(a.k.a uncles daughter) do that?
The two had an argument. Youka was being a brat (sort of) and lied to the two brothers who are constantly hanging around Kakufu (that's her name?) that they're going to get married; the brothers went off to fight to see which one was going to court her.
Do not read the below if you still want to have a happy feeling at the end of the anime... :)
Kakufu then told Youka the words that Shouryuujo said before she left him once again, and had Shouryuujo's sword as proof. To add to that, she went ahead and said that Shouryuujo lost her virginity to that priest willingly. Youka slapped her, and being really pissed off, she grabbed the sword and swung.
The two had an argument. Youka was being a brat (sort of) and lied to the two brothers who are constantly hanging around Kakufu (that's her name?) that they're going to get married; the brothers went off to fight to see which one was going to court her.
Do not read the below if you still want to have a happy feeling at the end of the anime... :)
Kakufu then told Youka the words that Shouryuujo said before she left him once again, and had Shouryuujo's sword as proof. To add to that, she went ahead and said that Shouryuujo lost her virginity to that priest willingly. Youka slapped her, and being really pissed off, she grabbed the sword and swung.
Spoilers dont really affect me much,as it always is better to see it than hear about tit.
A few more questions and i guess that can end the spoiling for me.
Why does Shouryuujo leave Youka again
When she tells Kakufu about losing hear virginity,does she say that she thought it was Youka,or that shew always knew it was the preist
Last question,How does Shouryuujo find out that the preist is the one she had sex with
Spoilers dont really affect me much,as it always is better to see it than hear about tit.
A few more questions and i guess that can end the spoiling for me.
Why does Shouryuujo leave Youka again
When she tells Kakufu about losing hear virginity,does she say that she thought it was Youka,or that shew always knew it was the preist
Last question,How does Shouryuujo find out that the preist is the one she had sex withI was also adding the spoiler tags for other people. Don't want to get NoSanninWa mad at me. He/she is scary... ;)
1. "Why does Shouryuujo leave Youka again?"
Youka first went off to rescue his uncle's, Guo Jing, newborn daughter (who plays a significant part in the last quarter of the novel, and ran into the brothers' duel. He felt sorry for their father, who wanted to stop their fight but knew that they would just go ahead and duel when he's not around, and stepped in. While he was mouthing off, Shouryuujo came upon them unnoticed and heard that he's now engaged.
2. "When she tells..."
No, Kakufu heard it from one of the beggars. Two of the priests came by to see her father not too long ago, and a beggar in the beggars clan told her that they were fighting in the room that they were staying. When she went there to satisfy her curiousity, Kakufu heard the argument. Shouryuujo doesn't know at that point.
3. "How does Shouryuujo find out...?"
While she was wandering around in the gardens after she left her sword, she overheard the same two arguing and found out that way. (Love that literary device, BTW...) The guy does die not too long afterwards (within the week if Shouryuujo can be believed) but Shouryuujo didn't kill him.
When I was rereading the book, though, there seems to be a time problem here, or Youka recovered and learned to use that heavy sword of his a lot faster.
I was also adding the spoiler tags for other people. Don't want to get NoSanninWa mad at me. He/she is scary... ;)
1. "Why does Shouryuujo leave Youka again?"
Youka first went off to rescue his uncle's, Guo Jing, newborn daughter (who plays a significant part in the last quarter of the novel, and ran into the brothers' duel. He felt sorry for their father, who wanted to stop their fight but knew that they would just go ahead and duel when he's not around, and stepped in. While he was mouthing off, Shouryuujo came upon them unnoticed and heard that he's now engaged.
2. "When she tells..."
No, Kakufu heard it from one of the beggars. Two of the priests came by to see her father not too long ago, and a beggar in the beggars clan told her that they were fighting in the room that they were staying. When she went there to satisfy her curiousity, Kakufu heard the argument. Shouryuujo doesn't know at that point.
3. "How does Shouryuujo find out...?"
While she was wandering around in the gardens after she left her sword, she overheard the same two arguing and found out that way. (Love that literary device, BTW...) The guy does die not too long afterwards (within the week if Shouryuujo can be believed) but Shouryuujo didn't kill him.
When I was rereading the book, though, there seems to be a time problem here, or Youka recovered and learned to use that heavy sword of his a lot faster.
damn i just couldnt resist reading those spoilers, but it wont matter anyway cause I'll probably forget it before I actually get to see it happen if it happens at all in the series.
damn, thank you man,im itching to ask one more question though.
Last Question i swear,if i ask anohter have Xris-sama ban me.
After Shouryuujo leaves him,does Youka find her quickly,and say "HEy,I never wanted to be engaged to that bitch anyways"Of course this is all assuming he says "bitch why the fuck you cut my arm off,thats it engagment is off"Or at the end of the novel do they just never meet again.
DAMN MY FUCKIN CURIOSITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and my spelling.........
damn, thank you man,im itching to ask one more question though.
Last Question i swear,if i ask anohter have Xris-sama ban me.
After Shouryuujo leaves him,does Youka find her quickly,and say "HEy,I never wanted to be engaged to that bitch anyways"Of course this is all assuming he says "bitch why the fuck you cut my arm off,thats it engagment is off"Or at the end of the novel do they just never meet again.
DAMN MY FUCKIN CURIOSITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and my spelling.........LOL! I don't think that asking questions is grounds for banning someone. ;)
I'll have to go look in the book to be absolutely sure that I'm giving you the correct information, though. This is just what I remember from memory... a dicey thing most of the times.
The two were never engaged outside of an informal discussion between Guo Jing and his wife. Youka just wanted to make sure that the brothers give up their crush on the girl.
Youka does tell Shouryuujo that he would never marry that girl anyway in a rather touching scene, but they met up accidentally when Youka went back to the tomb to see if Shouryuujo was there. He didn't make it in time to keep her from getting injured, though.
I'm guessing that they were apart for (maybe) 2-3 days? Can't be much more than that, though, since there's not much time left.
There is one more time that the two were apart, which was the 16 year separatation that everyone had been talking about; this is just the third time.
Keitarou20 - I'm just putting in spoilers for the book, and not the anime. If my VCDs can be believed - and since I don't understand the language it's in, which is a significant problem in trying to figure out the changes, if any, in the storyline - the visual ending of the series is below.
No spoiler about the storyline, however.
The series ends with Youka and Shouryuujo going somewhere in a boat. Very lovey-dovey, the two appear. ;)
Keitarou20 - I'm just putting in spoilers for the book, and not the anime. If my VCDs can be believed - and since I don't understand the language it's in, which is a significant problem in trying to figure out the changes, if any, in the storyline - the visual ending of the series is below.
No spoiler about the storyline, however.
The series ends with Youka and Shouryuujo going somewhere in a boat. Very lovey-dovey, the two appear. ;)
Thanks for the spoilers, I do hope the anime follows the books that ending sounds really nice for them.
Why does youka have to lose an arm, that just really sucks. Does Kakufu die in the books
Thanks for the spoilers, I do hope the anime follows the books that ending sounds really nice for them.
Why does youka have to lose an arm, that just really sucks. Does Kakufu die in the booksI'm terrible with names and places, BTW, so please forgive.
No, she remains alive at the end of this book.
Of her family, though, I think that her younger sister was the only survivor when the city that their family was protecting finally fell to the Mongols. That is hinted within the third novel of the series.
Thanks for the spoilers, I do hope the anime follows the books that ending sounds really nice for them.
The book doesn't have a "Romeo and Juliet" flavor, no. :)
The book doesn't have a "Romeo and Juliet" flavor, no. :)That is all we, the non-manga reader, ask.:D
gundam44
2003-11-23, 18:50
im sorry to say that
the ending in the anime is very very very different from the novel.
i bought the dvd and finished it just now.The dvd is TVB one so its taiwanese and its dubbed.well didnt have a choice, just have to see the ending....
And what i can say is the ending is quite sad.
Just wondering, how can u see the ending when it is not even made yet? The anime currently is 1-26. The rest of the story 26-52 is not even in production yet. The ending you saw is not the real ending. If the anime follows the original story at all, the ending is a good one.
gundam44
2003-11-24, 02:30
oo
theres a season ..
sorry i dont know.no wonder i see epsiode 26 is like so funny.
it just end quite abruptly.And it didnt even say about youka going to fight the mongolians with guo jing.
bLizz4rD
2003-11-24, 07:36
Legend of the condor heroes was screened (real life actors .. w/ famous andy lau ((hongkee actor)) as the lead as youka) on my television in the 1980s. I think the anime first surfaced almost 2 years ago? In my country that is, but it's in chinese. Though i'm chinese, i simply have difficulties understanding it.
Anyway, Legend of the Condor Heroes is not just a simple badass good guy kill and everything ends happily ever after. There're lots of twist n turns to it (in the actual acting screenings) which made it such a famous ... epic i will say. The original write pened this story in thick books ... probably well over 4000+ pages?
The pace at which the anime moving is pretty fast already, imho. So for all friends outside asia .. enjoy this epic. Nobody dies for no reason, n nobody is a good guy for no reason.
Cheers!
edit1: changed 400+ pages to become 4000+ pages
Originally posted by gundam44
And what i can say is the ending is quite sad.
The whole situation is a plot device, and the ending of the novel is, IMHO, better because it.
bLizz4rD - I think that you mean 4000+ pages instead? :) Page count isn't a really good indicator, though, since it depends a great deal on the publisher; my copy spans 4 books, for example, and approx. 3400 pages.
bLizz4rD
2003-11-24, 13:09
The whole situation is a plot device, and the ending of the novel is, IMHO, better because it.
bLizz4rD - I think that you mean 4000+ pages instead? :) Page count isn't a really good indicator, though, since it depends a great deal on the publisher; my copy spans 4 books, for example, and approx. 3400 pages.
Thanks, i think i missed out 1 more 0.
BTW, for manga readers only, i've seen some publication in my local book stores of the english version of Condor Heroes. I believe they're avaliable in other countries as well. maybe you'll like to check.
Cheers!
bLizz4rD
2003-11-24, 13:15
attached .. a picture of the front cover of a version of the manga in my local stores ...
http://pachome2.pacific.net.sg/~bingrong/18785.jpg
Cheers!
I believe that there are two versions of the novel in English; neither is an 100% faithful translation - read, text only - though. YesAsia.com used to carry one printing, but I'm not seeing anything on their site now.
ComicsOne is also putting out its version using Louis Cha's text also, but Tony Wong's art. The latest book should be out in another month or two; the anime equivalent looks to be at episode 12 or 13.
hey, above, ther was a link to where to buy the cantonese dub to CH, but i checked and i don't think they have it anymore, i love the series, never got a chance to read the books, but saw the shows. and i freaked out when i found out there was an anime on it. problem is, i can't get ahold of either trad. chinese subs or Cantonese dubs, cause it just doesn't feel right, watching it in english subs, lol
and is it ust me or is the drawing technique like practically the same as Cooking Master Boy?
The only site that I knew that was selling the Cantonese dubbed discs was YesAsia.com, and they look to have either sold out (and aren't getting any more) or discontinued the title.
You can always go Googling for other sites, though.
All right awesome!! Been looking forward to this fight!
Thx Live Evil
dling right now thanx L-E & Tofu
edit: just watched it. Man it was fricking awesome, Youka really kicked ass, and its about fricking time too i was waiting for the moment he open a can of womp ass from all the skills he learned.
the preview for the next episode looks like a lot is going to happen. Kakufu get kidnapped..... I say let her ass get kidnapped, no need to rescue :heh:
boy i wish koko would find out youka wasnt the one who took away her virginity already. but from what i heard from ppl who read the novels koko doesnt find out until she hears some ppl talking about it, some time after youka already loses an arm to kakufu and that was like in the middle of the story or something like that correct me if im wrong
NoSanninWa
2003-12-02, 05:05
OMG!! This episode was absolutely awesome! The fights were incredible and I was just boiling at the end when Uncle announced that he was going to marry Youka off to that annoying flirt Kakufu. Then Youka asked Koko to marry him and I was so excited my heart went doki-doki! Then my stomach fell as I heard how their love is forbidden!
AAAAAHHHHH!!!!! I want episode 17 right now! This hurts so much to wait!
Incidently, wasn't that an unacceptable level of cheating when Youka and Shouryuujo teamed up to finish off Kinrinhouou? These were all supposed to be one-on-one matches. Was the crowd just so worked up about Kinrinhouou and Kuduu's dirty tactics that nobody cared about such things any more?
Shouldn't that be in spoiler tags?
NoSanninWa
2003-12-02, 05:30
NoSanninWa points to the episode number in the thread title. Only information on what happens after episode 16 needs to be in spoiler tags since this is a discussion of episode 16. It would be kinda hard to have a discussion of the episode if absolutely everything is a spoiler.
OMG!! This episode was absolutely awesome! The fights were incredible and I was just boiling at the end when Uncle announced that he was going to marry Youka off to that annoying flirt Kakufu. Then Youka asked Koko to marry him and I was so excited my heart went doki-doki! Then my stomach fell as I heard how their love is forbidden!
AAAAAHHHHH!!!!! I want episode 17 right now! This hurts so much to wait!
Incidently, wasn't that an unacceptable level of cheating when Youka and Shouryuujo teamed up to finish off Kinrinhouou? These were all supposed to be one-on-one matches. Was the crowd just so worked up about Kinrinhouou and Kuduu's dirty tactics that nobody cared about such things any more?
I dought the qould have cared cause that old man already interfered with that duded witht the big metal staff,by throwing that rock at Youka.
This episode was great,Ive loved each and every episdoe,gets better each episode i watch.Think ill go along with NoSanninWa, the ending was good but bad also,for a moment there when he pushed shouryuujo down i thought youka was gonna beat the shit out of him,but he didnt
Master Ran
2003-12-02, 06:27
HU-hu-hu (crying)
Thank you evil guys
Master Ran
Wow! I wake up and here's Condor Hero 16! I'm downloading it now. I can't wait~ Maybe this won't be such a bad day afterall. xD
Ok. I just watched it. It was so good it gave me goosebumps! Can't wait till the next episode. ^-^
I really wish this series would get licensed. =(
Shenlong
2003-12-02, 10:42
My heart is breaking.. *sniff*
dark_breaka
2003-12-02, 10:50
Man that was one of the best episodes ever specially since yoka finally got to fight
and show all the different skills he learned damn i just can't wait for the next ep of
this series. Thanks live evil
Hi all. Jus started watching Condor Hero. Can't say I'm impressed even though I already know the whole story myself. I dunno if this anime will follow the actual novel but if I remember correctly...
yoka will REALLY lose an arm, got seperated with his 'master' then meet a weird bird called Condor and learn some awesome martial arts and the two lovers will only meet each other nearly at the end of the show or novel...
whatever123
2003-12-02, 12:40
great episode and its nice to c youka show all of his new moves but there is one thing puaazling me is the scholar who appeared in the previos episodes the as the scholar in the first book the one from the seven weirdos who is supposed to train either youkas dad or kaksui
whatever123 - You mean the guy who fights with the brush? No, I'm fairly sure that the seven martial artists who trained Guo Jing were dead by the time the first novel ended. He's a student of... whoever is the southern master, I think.
Oh man that was an awesome show :) kudos to Live Evil for subbing this awesome series!
whatever123
2003-12-02, 14:33
whatever123 - You mean the guy who fights with the brush? No, I'm fairly sure that the seven martial artists who trained Guo Jing were dead by the time the first novel ended. He's a student of... whoever is the southern master, I think.
thanx LynnieS thats what i wanted to know ( :( i only read the first 3 chapter of the first book the translation site i founded had only released that so i cant go to the next book without finishing the first)
and also r the names altered in the anime or not ????
Names altered? Umm, I think so, but mainly to suit the Japanese palate and pronunciation more than anything else.
The character might be a student of the the eastern master (Gou Jing's wife's father) instead, though. I lose track of everyone too easily. :)
You really don't need to know the first novel to read the others, though, and that's especially true of the third one of the series, IMHO.
Edit - I always manage to put my text into white letters... :p
Names altered? Umm, I think so, but mainly to suit the Japanese palate and pronunciation more than anything else.
The character might be a student of the the eastern master (Gou Jing's wife's father) instead, though. I lose track of everyone too easily. :)
You really don't need to know the first novel to read the others, though, and that's especially true of the third one of the series, IMHO.
Edit - I always manage to put my text into white letters... :p
Nope you guys are wrong. The scholar is the first pupil of the king who became a monk after refusing to save the baby of his wife. In addition the 7 wierdos are all not dead yet. The oldest blind one is still alive.
Nope you guys are wrong. The scholar is the first pupil of the king who became a monk after refusing to save the baby of his wife. In addition the 7 wierdos are all not dead yet. The oldest blind one is still alive.
Okay, it's been awhile since I last read the first novel. Guess it's time I dig it out of my bookshelves, then. ;)
Isn't the monk the southern representative - like Youka's adopted father is the Poison of the West - of the five masters, though? Dunno the guy's name, though...
Okay, it's been awhile since I last read the first novel. Guess it's time I dig it out of my bookshelves, then. ;)
Isn't the monk the southern representative - like Youka's adopted father is the Poison of the West - of the five masters, though? Dunno the guy's name, though...
Yes he's one of the 5
lavarock
2003-12-02, 21:52
Names altered? Umm, I think so, but mainly to suit the Japanese palate and pronunciation more than anything else.
The character might be a student of the the eastern master (Gou Jing's wife's father) instead, though. I lose track of everyone too easily. :)
You really don't need to know the first novel to read the others, though, and that's especially true of the third one of the series, IMHO.
Edit - I always manage to put my text into white letters... :p
In the previous novel, there are 5 masters (since it all happened before this anime, i will not put spoiler tag)
the east one is kaksui's wife dad, the north one is the begger that is kaksui and his wife's master, the south one is only important later in the novel, the west one is the bad guy, (but get mentally confused by kaksui's wife in the end of previous novel and befriend youkas and is youkas's only friend pretty much in the early part of this novel).
The 7 weirdo are also kaksui's master, but they are much weaker than any of the big masters, 6 of them are killed from previous novel by western master.
In this novel only the eldest guy (he is the blind one) is alive and kicking, but not doing much other than get pissed of youka becoz his Dad is the reason the other 6 are killed and kicked him out of the peach blossom island.
The other 7 monks from the daoish temple from the 1st episode of condor hero are the one taught youka's dad in the previous novel. Unfornately, they failed bad and youka's dad ended up get killed (partially credit to kaksui and his wife).
Hopefully i didnt spoil anything, did I?
OMG!! This episode was absolutely awesome! The fights were incredible and I was just boiling at the end when Uncle announced that he was going to marry Youka off to that annoying flirt Kakufu. Then Youka asked Koko to marry him and I was so excited my heart went doki-doki! Then my stomach fell as I heard how their love is forbidden!
AAAAAHHHHH!!!!! I want episode 17 right now! This hurts so much to wait!
Incidently, wasn't that an unacceptable level of cheating when Youka and Shouryuujo teamed up to finish off Kinrinhouou? These were all supposed to be one-on-one matches. Was the crowd just so worked up about Kinrinhouou and Kuduu's dirty tactics that nobody cared about such things any more?
As far as the cheating,
I figured that since Youka had already won the 2 matches that it was all over and Kinrinhouou was just bein a stubborn ass when he wanted to fight Shouryuujo.
As far as the episode in general, it was cool that Youka got to show off n stuff, but like one of the other posters said, I want Shouryuujo to farkin find out that Youka wasn't the one who raped her.
And whats up with the 2 brothers tryin to impress their sister all the time. They act like they've got a crush on her or somethin. I mean, who cares what she thinks...
Don Eunuch
2003-12-03, 03:19
And whats up with the 2 brothers tryin to impress their sister all the time. They act like they've got a crush on her or somethin. I mean, who cares what she thinks...
Those two Wu brothers are not her brothers, but adopted by Kaksui. They are sons of one of the four generals/disciples of Southern King. Two of which dueled in the great heroes meeting.
Kinda of like Da Capo? No?
lavarock
2003-12-03, 04:51
Those two Wu brothers are not her brothers, but adopted by Kaksui. They are sons of one of the four generals/disciples of Southern King. Two of which dueled in the great heroes meeting.
Kinda of like Da Capo? No?
They are two idiots.
a lot of you seem to have read the books....
do so many people here read chinese, or has it been translated into any non-asian languages?
they have been translated here is a link to some fansubs of the series
http://www.spcnet.tv/jinyong/jyreadingroom.shtml
first off, i just want to say that i don't know what it is, but i am in love with this series. i stayed up all last night watching one through 16. seriously though, i really don't know why i like it so much considering all these little things that make absolutely no sense. like when koko and the youka leave the tomb. why did they just leave ribakushuu and her pupil in the cave where that secret martial art style was written? didn't they suspect that the two would eventually wake back up and see the writings on the wall on how to escape the tomb? and if they did wake up, doesn't that mean that they now know the secret style? and why didn't they suspect anything was up when their bodies were suddenly gone the next day when they went back to train? it's just plain dumb. like when youko forgot to close the coffin. and why is it that everytime ribakushuu and youko fight, youko feels he has to run away? if he can do that gambunto-thing or whatever that green laser light is and defeat her once, shouldn't he be able to do it again? why is koko so naiive?? does she really think that youko would paralyze her and then rape her? then when he releases her of the paralysis, she is all in love wanting to be his wife.... seriously now, you were just friggin' raped!!!!! obviously it was someone else. okay, i'm done bitching. and youko and koko better get that whole rape-scene thing sorted out. i think that might've been the reason why i watched through all those filler episodes with the other girls.
I am aware of the book translation project, but it is still incomplete.
I was refering to those who seem to have their own copies of the books.
I'm guessing it's been translated to nihongo and other asian languages, but do non-asian translations exist?
Daeluin - I have only seen the novels in Mandarin Chinese, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they have not been translated into other languages. It simply means that I haven't come across them anywhere.
I should also note that even if the novels had been translated, I wouldn't recognize them anyway... ;)
Perhaps if you ask for a specific language, someone else who understands it and is on the forums can help you out?
NoSanninWa
2003-12-03, 21:01
I can answer two of these questions:
Ribakshu doesn't know the secret style because she doesn't understand the basics of how it is described there. As you recall, Shouryoujou didn't know the advanced techniques of her own art even though she had access to that room. The only think that Youka learned from Zenshinkyou was a chant that explained how to use their techniques. This was needed as a key to understand the markings on the wall. This same key is necessary to learn the secret art so Ribakushuu couldn't learn it.
It's not clear that koko believes herself to have been raped. If she'd known it was that bastard she would be furious beyond belief, but she thinks that she had sex with the man of her dreams. She's probaly a bit upset about the way it happened, but she isn't upset that it did happen. I really hope that they get this sorted out already so that they can kill that pig in a horrible and painful manner like he deserves.
well, I only read english, and I already know the answer there... :p
but I'm getting mixed ideas about how popular the stories are. there are several dramas, - some of which are being redone - the novels, and the anime (which I believe has a second season coming out sometime next year??), all which point towards very popular.
yet the anime has been around for a long time, and only has a very select following. we have beome very dedicated fans, but still there is only one group subbing it, and it's no secret they take their time. sure the translation is a killer, but that hasn't stopped other groups from jumping in to do low quality translations for quick releases and attention in the past. then there's the deal with the raws. the series is over a year old, but as far as I know there have never been decent raws available. wasn't it popular in japan? or were there just so few people capturing back then...
I'm just generally confused why this legend seems so widely appreciated and unpopular at the same time. don't take me too seriously, though I wonder if others are seeing the same thing, or I am just reading it all the wrong way. :eyebrow:
edit: while I'm at it, might as well tie this in with my other posts:
I think I was trying to get a feel for how widespread the novels are. is it just centralized around the china/japan area, or has it been picked up by non-asian cultures, etc...
Chroniss
2003-12-03, 22:26
And now join the rest of us waiting a 2/3rds of a month to one month for an ep :(
L-E will make the episodes available when they're ready. No other group is working on this title also.
1)This is where the anime deviated from the original book. In the original book, Ribakshu never saw the writing on the wall, and Shouryoujou quickly lead her totally out of the cave jsut so she couldn't see the writing. The anime did make it look dumb how Ribakshu woud wake up and find her way out by looking at the drawing but never to notice the advanced technique next to it.
2) The advanced technique on the wall is not related to Zenshinkyou at all and no chant is needed to learn it. (The advanced technique on the wall is not complete and the final part is written in some arabic language--this wasn't mentioned in the anime). Zenshinkyou chant was needed only to learn the Zenshinkyou technique only and not Shouryoujou's tomb technique, which is what Ribakshu is trying to steal.
3) It was a mistake by youko to forget to close the coffin, but everyone makes mistakes, and he even acknowledges it when Ribakushu comes in.
4) Youko's gamabunto thing is not complete. The anime mentions about this many times. Youka can only use it out of emergency. In addition, even though Youka learned many different good techniques, he never spent time to expertise any one of them. He may know them, but he doesn't really know how to use them.
5) Shouryoujou did not know she was raped because first she has been living in the tomb all her life. She does not know or understand any customs and traditions in the real world. She might have thought that when couples have sex, you are supposed to be paralyzed and be hidden. Seriously if you were never taught that that is not the case, you might believe it yourself too. Shouryoujou is naive base entirely on the fact she did not know how to be a wife and how relationships are supposed to be.
NoSanninWa
2003-12-04, 03:27
5) Shouryoujou did not know she was raped because first she has been living in the tomb all her life. She does not know or understand any customs and traditions in the real world. She might have thought that when couples have sex, you are supposed to be paralyzed and be hidden. Seriously if you were never taught that that is not the case, you might believe it yourself too. Shouryoujou is naive base entirely on the fact she did not know how to be a wife and how relationships are supposed to be.
What did she grow up in a cave or something? :D LOL!
What did she grow up in a cave or something? :D LOL!
LOL, she did grow up in the tomb/cave.
I hope Koko finds out that it wasnt Youka who raped her soon because I cant stand it anymore, its eating me up inside everytime I see them together. They seriously need to resolve this issue already.
The preview for ep17 looks exciting, too bad it'll be a long wait though but I take quality over speed subs anyday.
Momo99, nice answers. thanks a lot. now all i want is for those two Zenshinkyou doushis to die and rot in hell. =P
Tofusensei
2003-12-04, 09:13
The anime was not popular in Japan at all. There was no commercial release of it, although it did get rerun twice on the network it aired on. Note that the network it aired on was a small HDTV network that very few people even had access to in 2001-2002 when the show was originally airing.
Needless to say, It's more popular in Chinese speaking countries and in America than it is in Japan at this point :P
Honestly, I don't mean to toot my own horn, but we at L-E are probably directly responsible for its popularity here in the states. We actually began subtitling it with the dream of gaining popularity for it, because the show's run had already been done for over two months by the time we released episode 1, and not a single person had touched it. Anyway, it's no secret that Condor Hero is our flagship series.
-Tofu
NoSanninWa
2003-12-04, 19:02
Anyway, it's no secret that Condor Hero is our flagship series.
If someone didn't know, this might have been a bit of a tip-off: Torrents for Condor Hero (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/79.html)!
Read "fansub info." That message has been there for a while now. :D
:topicoff: And I wonder who put that "One of NoSanninWa's favorite shows." statement in that page too. ;)
Originally posted by Daeluin
edit: while I'm at it, might as well tie this in with my other posts:
I think I was trying to get a feel for how widespread the novels are. is it just centralized around the china/japan area, or has it been picked up by non-asian cultures, etc...Seems to be fairly popular in the Asian countries, I would think, excluding Japan that is. I know that the anime has been translated into Cantonese and Thai, and I heard of a Vietnamese version also. Never seen the last one for myself, though.
NoSanninWa
2003-12-04, 19:47
:topicoff: And I wonder who put that "One of NoSanninWa's favorite shows." statement in that page too. ;)
:D :D :D It is one of only two shows to get that honor. :D :D :D
Tofusensei
2003-12-05, 00:11
If someone didn't know, this might have been a bit of a tip-off: Torrents for Condor Hero (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/79.html)!
Read "fansub info." That message has been there for a while now. :D
Haha!! Cool :D I'd say ep 17 would be out soon, but I don't wanna deal with the controversy that'd cause, hehe ^_^;;;;;;;;;
-Tofu
Sylvanthious
2003-12-14, 04:03
Wow, this show is really something special.
Wow, this show is really something special.
yup i read the novel before, very good
Wow, this show is really something special.
Indeed. Too bad it doesn't get as much attention as it deserves. :p
eMpTy265
2003-12-14, 14:39
yup i read the novel before, very good
Yup... the anime's pretty good.
However, I still don't think it comes anywhere as good as the novel itself.
I'm expecting a season two for this anime... since I can't see how the series can conclude @ 26...
can someone tell me if season one actually concludes the story by shortening it? Or does it end with Youka getting his arm chopped off?
(It seems that all Condor Hero games have split the story into 2, using the arm incident as the cutoff... that or the part where they'll get separated for 16 years...)
I'm expecting a season two for this anime... since I can't see how the series can conclude @ 26...
can someone tell me if season one actually concludes the story by shortening it? Or does it end with Youka getting his arm chopped off?
(It seems that all Condor Hero games have split the story into 2, using the arm incident as the cutoff... that or the part where they'll get separated for 16 years...)Neither one actually. :) If you think about it, though, neither one is the best place to end a series - whether or not the studio intends to finish the title. You're already in the second arc of the novel at that point.
eMpTy265
2003-12-14, 15:18
Neither one actually. :) If you think about it, though, neither one is the best place to end a series - whether or not the studio intends to finish the title. You're already in the second arc of the novel at that point.
Thing is that Condor Hero's already been released for a while already.
The source that Live-Evil uses is already subbed in chinese... and LiveEvil only wrote on top of those subs.
So, all 26 episodes have been available already... it's just that they're not subbed in english.
I'm just curious to know whether anyone's seen the 26 episodes... and whether he/she'd mind telling me what point the anime ends at.
As for the story being in the second half of the arc, I don't really think so.
I mean, they haven't even entered the valley where Youka will get poisoned yet.... so it's not even near the halfway point.
Thing is that Condor Hero's already been released for a while already.
The source that Live-Evil uses is already subbed in chinese... and LiveEvil only wrote on top of those subs.Live-evil (cute word trick, BTW :) ) uses both regular Japanese raws and the Mandarin fansubs. Not entirely certain if their translator goes by the Japanese spoken words only, or if he backs up his translations by the Chinese text where available, though. I suspect that it's done purely through Japanese only, but you'll need to speak with someone from the group.
So, all 26 episodes have been available already... it's just that they're not subbed in english.Given the series ended back in, I think, 2001, yeah, the episodes have long been out. It just wasn't a hot series and, I believe, was never released as a R2 title for purchase.
I'm just curious to know whether anyone's seen the 26 episodes... and whether he/she'd mind telling me what point the anime ends at.Right after the valley mini-arc and heading to meet and kill Guo Jing. I'm going by visuals here since I don't understand the language my VCDs are in.
As for the story being in the second half of the arc, I don't really think so.
I mean, they haven't even entered the valley where Youka will get poisoned yet.... so it's not even near the halfway point.I've added spoiler tags to my quoting of your post since there are people here who haven't seen the series or read the novel.
These are what I consider to be the story arcs, and are solely my opinions. The first main arc goes through the first half of the novel and end with the valley trip. The second main arc ends through the disappearance of Shouyuujo and covers the third quarter of the book, and the last arc covers the last quarter of the novel and ends with everyone on the mountain (not to mention the bit of foreshadowing of the final novel's main plotline).
Edit - Fixed context problem. :p
For people who don't know already, the Legend of the Condor Heroes Live Action 2003 is about Youka's uncle and is the story that comes before the anime Condor Hero. It also gives you a lot of background on stuff like Youka's father and his relationship/interaction with Youka's aunt and uncle and even the daoist monks, who were actually Youka's father's teachers.
Animesuki has episodes 1-3 out for this. It might be interesting to check out.
It goes even as far back as Youka's grandparents.
i just watched all available 16 eps. whew. i can't wait for the ending of this anime series. 2 thumbs up for this title. recommended.
I hope Koko finds out that it wasnt Youka who raped her soon because I cant stand it anymore, its eating me up inside everytime I see them together. They seriously need to resolve this issue already.
The preview for ep17 looks exciting, too bad it'll be a long wait though but I take quality over speed subs anyday.
Unfortunately you will have to wait awhile for Koko to find out...
BTW, where did you see the preview?
The only ep17,18 that I know of is in cantonese.
NoSanninWa
2003-12-16, 16:48
He said "preview". At the end of every episode is a preview for the next episode. That's what Keitarou20 was referring to.
I did enjoy this anime up until ep 16 which animesuki has to offer so far. Hopefully Live-Evil will have the remaining 10 eps available soon enough but what sucks is the fact that the story is kind of cut into a bunch of fragments(which all you fellow novel readers can point out already) but other than that the anime is cool.
divideby0
2003-12-21, 06:59
i must admit one of the true perks of knowing Chinese is being able to read this novel in it's native language and understand all the words that lose meaning/ impact after translation.
Dopeskills
2003-12-23, 01:20
:D :D :D It is one of only two shows to get that honor. :D :D :D
What's the other one?
NoSanninWa
2003-12-23, 01:36
:D :D :D It is one of only two shows to get that honor. :D :D :D
What's the other one?
Well... you could try checking the series page for every show we list until you come across my other recommendation. Or you could use the search function to find out what shows I recommend most often in the suggestions forum and check those to see which one has my other recommendation. Or else I could just take pity on you and tell you that the other show to get that honor is Princess Tutu, but then you wouldn't have to work for it so I don't think I'll do that.
And lord and behold my wish came true :)
NoSanninWa
2003-12-26, 03:58
Just finished watching it. Really good episode. Of course they are all really good episodes... :sigh:
Unfortuantely the ending of the episode had me really distraught. I can't believe that Shouryuujou is thinking that Youka will be unhappy living with her in Koboha. What Youka didn't say, is that however unhappy he might be at never leaving the tomb... he'll be much more unhappy if he never gets to be with Koko at all. I'm afraid that now she's going to leave him in order to spare him the shame of being with her so that he can be happy in the outside world. Arrrggghhh!!!!
Weird usally Tofu would create a new thread whenever they release a new ep of Condor Hero. It was a nice Christmas present indeed thanks to Tofu and LE for putting it out.
I was kinda pissed that Youka didn't say more to Koko when he was asked very seriously what he would he feel about living in Kobaha for the rest of his life. I guess he was too tired to realize the seriousness of Koko. Damn Kakafu you jealous witch why did you have to go and tell Koko that. I'm afraid she might decide to leave again and thus making Youka goes on a journey again to look for her.
I was kinda pissed that Youka didn't say more to Koko when he was asked very seriously what he would he feel about living in Kobaha for the rest of his life. I guess he was too tired to realize the seriousness of Koko.
According to the novel (if I'm not wrong, read that last year)
Unlike koko, Youka was born in/near the cities, he liked to go to the cities (he enjoyed city life?). When he had to decide on staying in the tomb for the rest of his life, he just couldnt decide on it so quickly.
lavarock
2003-12-26, 19:31
According to the novel (if I'm not wrong, read that last year)
Unlike koko, Youka was born in/near the cities, he liked to go to the cities (he enjoyed city life?). When he had to decide on staying in the tomb for the rest of his life, he just couldnt decide on it so quickly.
Maybe this is not the right forum to discuss the book but, IMO, in the book, it's clear that Youka and Koko are very different type of people. Koko is more solitary type of person than Youka, she have basically lived most of her life in a tomb with an old woman. Youka in the other hand, is more sociable. IMO those two are really a weird couple:D
in terms those two, there will be more unions and separations later on in the story, very frustrating indeed.
aniforever
2003-12-27, 01:35
in terms those two, there will be more unions and separations later on in the story, very frustrating indeed.
yup a lot will happen between those two. i haven't read the novel but i did watch the many version of it on tv. the anime and the tv version is pretty much a like just that to me the tv version was much funnier. it kinda suck for me since i already know the ending but i still like to watch the anime i love the op theme. from what i've heard there's gonna be a second season right since from what i've heard so far it's no where near the end or even the middle for that matter.
And lord and behold my wish came true :)
The phrase is "lo and behold"! I hate you forever!
kenny333
2004-01-06, 03:10
According to the novel (if I'm not wrong, read that last year)
Unlike koko, Youka was born in/near the cities, he liked to go to the cities (he enjoyed city life?). When he had to decide on staying in the tomb for the rest of his life, he just couldnt decide on it so quickly.
Novel says something like this. "Although Youka thinks he can easily say he will never be bored in the tomb, he has never lied to his koko..." something to that degree . [/QUOTE]
Don Eunuch
2004-01-06, 07:00
For those wanting to read the books but suffer from poor Mandarin, the complete collection of Jing Yong(the author) has an audio book version.
www.2688.com
Also an English site with information about the Zenshinkyou, with info about the founder, his 7 disciples and the rapist. If you poke around you can read up more on the 7 disciples, esp the famous Qui Chuji who appeared at the start of the liveaction prequel and his visit with Ghengis Khan later in the show.
http://www.eng.taoism.org.hk/general-daoism/major-daoist-sects/pg1-3-20.asp
Anyone know where i may be able to get the Cantonese version with no subs.
I got eps 1 and 2 from a kyonet release. But I cant seem to find the release , site anymore.
THanks in advance.
Slam
have u all watch other versions of condor hero ? there's a china version, a singapore version and hongkong version, i think there's a taiwan version too
Mcdonalds
2004-01-06, 09:52
There are books that represent the story more accurately rather than the cartoon if you want the story to have made more sense but momo seems to know her/his stuff :)
versions of conder hero in cantonese are licenced i think and be brought from yesasia.com
lavarock
2004-01-06, 10:20
Too bad the live action version of this book are mostly sucked...
Hmmm haven't watched this yet, though I know the story pretty well since I've seen the Singaporean live action drama and read the comic series illustrated by a Singaporean artist.
This makes me want to read/watch Return of the Condor Heroes again though...
kenny333
2004-01-06, 13:44
Too bad the live action version of this book are mostly sucked...
I thought the live action version with Andy Lau as Youka was like the best TV show ever made in Hong Kong (officially).
just a note to anyone who has AXN-Asia and watches it and is unaware...they're going to air Legend of Condor Hero starting Jan 21. Forgot which time slot it got tho, and what it's replacing...Groove Adventure Rave maybe...
argh, well, if you're interested you can check out for details here:
http://axn-asia.com/anime/default.asp
Well well well, I got the best late Christmas present - Condor Hero's airing on the local cable channel AXN somewhere in January... I don't even need to download the fansubs now. :D
Well well well, I got the best late Christmas present - Condor Hero's airing on the local cable channel AXN somewhere in January... I don't even need to download the fansubs now. :D
Really, lucky you. Where you from
Singapore.
The only assumption I'm making in what I said earlier is that AXN doesn't become more assholey than it already is and change their plans...
lavarock
2004-01-07, 03:23
I thought the live action version with Andy Lau as Youka was like the best TV show ever made in Hong Kong (officially).
Haha, what a joke.
The best tv show ever made in HongKong? I dont' think so.
Maybe a HongKong native can come and clear the confusion, I am not a Hongkong native, but I think it's a ok show
kenny333
2004-01-07, 03:38
Haha, what a joke.
The best tv show ever made in HongKong? I dont' think so.
Maybe a HongKong native can come and clear the confusion, I am not a Hongkong native, but I think it's a ok show
I think it got the "show of the millenium" during TVB's millenium celebration in Hong Kong.
Mcdonalds
2004-01-07, 10:04
I'm not a Hong Kong native but i am a BBC (British Born Chinese) and as far i understand it is stupidly huge in HK, so i wouldn't be surprised if it was the greatest show ever in HK. I have a recollection that my sister said it was and how its still selling now but i'm not too sure
daimonth
2004-01-07, 14:42
It's been years since I have seen the one with Anday Lau, so my recollection of it is pretty poor. But I think the one done in 95 was a pretty good consider it followed closely to the novel. I can't stand the taiwan versions of it though...
i heard about that andy's condor was very good my mom said ive never saw it
im at 28ep in condor hero anime and its so adictive wish it comes out faster im renting it in TVB rental stores all in cantonese but its very good
eMpTy265
2004-01-31, 17:05
The only thing about most shows with Andy Lau these days is that the show is 'automatically' famous whenever Andy's in it.
Apparently he got the better side of HK opening their media market to mainland China.
(When I went back to China for vacation, at any [and every] moment, there's at least two [out of around 20] channels that's airing a show/movie with Andy... needless to say I got bored pretty quickly.)
(Don't get me wrong, Andy's acting isn't that bad... just that I believe his reputation's a little overinflated... ['Running on Karma' was one movie that I was deeply dsappointed)
N E WayZ... back on topic.
Indeed, the anime version of CH did change many things from the book, and to a certain degree almost affected the storyline. However, watching CH purely as an anime title is still entertaining...
The only bad thing is that I heard that ep.26? actually does NOT conclude the entire novel...
(Which also means that 'Koko' [forgot her anime name] doesn't find out in the first 26?.eps...)
Hopefully there will be a second season...
It wouldn't be long till Koko finds out, and the chase starts. There's going to be really cool character coming up also. The Live action version of Condor hero on Live-evil is sort of like a prequel of the anime. It's very good though and I recommend to who ever read the book. It surpass previous titles in my opinion
Sepiraph
2004-01-31, 19:23
For my 2 cents, I thought the live action version with Andy Lau sucked, and that the 1995 version was much better. Although I believe the older generation from HK would disagree.
IMO, the best live action version of the author's work was "The Proud, Smiling Wanderer", arguably his best literary work as well.
Tofusensei
2004-01-31, 21:12
It's out!
What do you all think? :)
-Tofu
It's out!
What do you all think? :)
-Tofu
:bow: :bow: Thank you Tofu, Live-evil.
Master Ran
2004-01-31, 21:57
Yes. I'm downloading it now.
Btw, AXN-ASIA started showing Condor Hero last week. Its beeing broadcast all over asia (excluding Japan). The good thing is its sub in English. In HK its sub in chinese i think.
So those who have a decoder or something for Asia channels, just tune in to Axn-asia.
Condor Hero, mondays tru fridays, which means i'll get to see all the episodes before this month ends (february i mean) Yeah!!!
Maybe that's partly the reason why i'm not all too excited with Live-evil ep. 18 release. But i'll still DLing it just to get a more perfect translations.
Anyway, Live-Evil, keep it up.
Master Ran
(aka Mask-en-kai)
http://server5.uploadit.org/files/MasterRan-dots.jpg
and in the nick of time, i was starting to forget about this excellent anime (ahh the irony), any how its another excellent encode :bow: - keep up the great work live-evil if by any chance a little qiucker :joke: :D
Very good, it's almost exactly like the 1995 HK version. The next one going to be great I can't wait!!! Thank you Tofu !!! I really hope L-E isn't dead because you're one of my fav. BTW any word on the Live Action version from Binky???
Condor Heroes......
One of my favorite.
I have the chinese version novel.
i watched Louis Ku version live action drama, 2 episode of andy lau's movie.
so glad that axn asia air it, but sadly most of the daytime i m not available for the tv. the graphic is nice, the translation is nice so are the music.
i like the ending song of the condor heroes anime. although i can't find it anywhere....
i also read the pre-condor heroes novel which focus on "Guo Jing"
it is a great romance other than action for an anime
so sad i can't watch on axn asia....
so sad hav to wait for the fan sub....
hope fansub group will fansub the whole serie...
IIRC, the live action Andy Lau version from 83 was not considered the greatest TVB show of all time--that honor went to "The Bund" which starred Chow Yun Fat. However, one year, during their anniversary show, TVB did a countdown of shows that had the highest ratings/viewship in their history. And the wuxia/martial arts tv series that had the highest ratings of all time went to "Legend of the Condor Heroes" which starred Felix Wong and Barbara Yung. It's one of the few times where I completely agreed with a countdown. For those who know the story from just the "Condor Hero" anime, "Legend of the Condor Heroes" is the first part of the saga, and I found, to be a much more satisfying story. Or maybe because I liked the main characters so much from the first story, I didn't exactly like how they evolved in the sequel, "Return of the Condor Heroes/Condor Hero [anime]"
By the way, has anyone here seen the TVB Cantonese dub of the Condor Hero anime and can comment on it? How is the dubbing? I heard the Cantonese theme to the anime [sung by Andy Lau] once and I don't like it nearly as much as the Japanese theme. I think what they should have done is asked Andy Lau and Idy Chan to reprise their roles by doing the Cantonese anime dub--that would've be cool. But TVB's too cheap to dish out any money for dubbing--they usually have it done in-house.
dreamless
2004-02-20, 07:00
I think the live action shows are nowhere near the original novel... and this anime is nowhere near the live action shows...
So, the novel is definitely the best... although it's only around 5th to 6th position on my list of the 14 novels by Jin Yong. My favorite is always Tian Long Ba Bu.
first off, i just want to say that i don't know what it is, but i am in love with this series. i stayed up all last night watching one through 16. seriously though, i really don't know why i like it so much considering all these little things that make absolutely no sense. like when koko and the youka leave the tomb. why did they just leave ribakushuu and her pupil in the cave where that secret martial art style was written? didn't they suspect that the two would eventually wake back up and see the writings on the wall on how to escape the tomb? and if they did wake up, doesn't that mean that they now know the secret style? and why didn't they suspect anything was up when their bodies were suddenly gone the next day when they went back to train? it's just plain dumb. like when youko forgot to close the coffin. and why is it that everytime ribakushuu and youko fight, youko feels he has to run away? if he can do that gambunto-thing or whatever that green laser light is and defeat her once, shouldn't he be able to do it again? why is koko so naiive?? does she really think that youko would paralyze her and then rape her? then when he releases her of the paralysis, she is all in love wanting to be his wife.... seriously now, you were just friggin' raped!!!!! obviously it was someone else. okay, i'm done bitching. and youko and koko better get that whole rape-scene thing sorted out. i think that might've been the reason why i watched through all those filler episodes with the other girls.
I like the story a lot too. which is why perhaps I feel sad at how much more potential that was left untapped from this story. So I'll join in the bitching as well :) I do that only because I genuinely like it, so no offence to anybody who don't agree.
Perhaps because I've read the original novel as well as seen many non-anime renditions of this possibly the best known story (and most widely adapted into serials, manga and stuff) of the original author. I couldn't help but feel a little disappointed. If you feel that the story of the anime is great, all I can tell you is a lot of subtleties are lost in the adaptation. When watching an anime, you can't know in detail what the characters are feeling as well as the 3rd person narration used by a book. As such, a lot of things that feel natural when reading may seem to be awkward when brought to the screen. Even the martial art scenes become intolerable in animation. What they learn is really martial arts, although sometimes carried to the extreme of being almost mystical, it was still more or less believable in the story, and not so...... "X-men" as portrayed in the anime (no offence to X-men fans! I like X-men. But I just don't think X-men are appropriate in ancient china). The actions/animation are of too poor a quality.
I seem to have read somewhere that this was the studio's maiden work? Still, it was not enough of an excuse to almost spoil such a great story by not doing enough homework. It isn't that they could not find a reference unlike many other anime where they have to make up their own or design from scratch. I was hoping that the animators would at least rent all the previous renditions of the story, manga as well as videos of actual martial arts demonstration and watch them for a month before actually starting on this work. And watch some more jackie chan or jet li films to see how action designers plan settings and choreagraph martial art scenes. Even throw in the jedi light sabre fight scene from star wars 2 (which, from the director's own words during a conference, was inspired by the slightly exaggerated martial art films of HK director tsui hark. They even show a clip of the orignal film, which I think was "Swordsman", in cantonese during the presentation, though nobody can understand the dialogue :D). So many possible sources of inspiration and they did not even make use of them. sigh. If they have done some more homework. perhaps then they can inject a little grace into the movements, which will raise this anime from just being good (mostly due to the story) to really great and even one of the best anime of the year.
Maybe after we've finally seen the complete anime, wait for a few years and somebody will make a better version? After all, the manga and drama serials based on this story get remade and remade and remade all over asia year after year. Maybe they have nothing else better to do? Or maybe it's just because the story is that attractive such that no matter how many times it was remade, people still flock to it?
Hmmm haven't watched this yet, though I know the story pretty well since I've seen the Singaporean live action drama and read the comic series illustrated by a Singaporean artist.
This makes me want to read/watch Return of the Condor Heroes again though...
That version also changed many parts of the story (maybe just to limit the number of episodes or save some characters). I've also seen a few copies the comic series. Only so-so, as the comic fail to portray the action well enough.
Anybody know of a version more true to the original? (perhaps the china version?)
Don Eunuch
2004-02-21, 11:42
Anybody know of a version more true to the original? (perhaps the china version?)
The China version hasn't been made yet, coming soon. They are saving the best for last I guess, part 1 and 3 of the trilogy are completed.
megazone23
2004-02-21, 12:46
I thought the live action version with Andy Lau as Youka was like the best TV show ever made in Hong Kong (officially).
I wouldn't say that it was the best TV show ever made in Hong Kong, but everyone I know says that it is the best live-action version made so far. I would have to agree also (after watching both versions recently since the Louis Koo one aired here again recently and I have the Andy Lau one)
I guess I have to agree with what someone else said too (can't remember who again, sorry ><") The older one would appeal more usually to the older HK generation because, well, that is what they grew up with (no, I'm not one, but I did watch it when I was quite young) They're used to the lack-of-special-effects movies because they've probably seen it for a part of their life. These days, special effects seem to play a significant role in whether a movie is good or not.
Storyline-wise, I would think the older one is better. Special effects-wise, I would say the newer one's better (even though some of the fighting was kinda cheesy). Overall though, I'd prefer the prequel to Condor Hero, lol -_-"
Jeffrey Ruebel
2004-02-24, 00:47
I was wandering why does Youko call Shouryoujou Koko?
NoSanninWa
2004-02-24, 01:25
This was fairly well answered (in Live-eviL's note at the top of the screen), back when he first accepts her as his teacher.
Koko is the japanese pronounciation of the Chinese word for Auntie. (I can't remember the Chinese pronounciation.) In China, Auntie is another way to refer to a female teacher of martial arts.
I was wandering why does Youko call Shouryoujou Koko? Remember that this is a Chinese novel adapted by the Japanese into an anime.
The term used "Koko" is actually "Gu1 Gu4" (Hanyu), sounds like "Gooo(long) Gooo(short)" (lilting tone) for non-Chinese speaking English Speakers. It means Aunt. Since most of the Asian culture tends to teach deferential treatment by treating all elders like family, Youko addresses Shouryoujou as Aunt.
And no... generally in martial arts novels, whether the teacher is male or female, the common term is "Shi1 Fu4" (closest japanese term would be sensei) or literally master.
Tofusensei
2004-03-01, 21:03
It's out!
This ep is cool but it's gonna make you wanna see ep 20 BAD. That's my warning ;)
You guys liked it?
-Tofu
It's out!
This ep is cool but it's gonna make you wanna see ep 20 BAD. That's my warning ;)
You guys liked it?
-Tofu
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Doesn't this belong in the torrent submissions or something?...
Just seems outta place >.> (I mean, imagine if every ep that was released of every series was announced like this... we'd have tons of these posts every day =/ ....)
Tofusensei
2004-03-01, 22:45
Doesn't this belong in the torrent submissions or something?...
Just seems outta place >.> (I mean, imagine if every ep that was released of every series was announced like this... we'd have tons of these posts every day =/ ....)
Yeah, but the last ep I didn't do a post like this and people said "Hey, where's Tofu? He always posts when the new condor hero ep is out" and everyone was sad... :X
Besides, a new condor hero ep is a special occasion, doesn't come every day, hehe
-Tofu
NoSanninWa
2004-03-02, 00:27
Doesn't this belong in the torrent submissions or something?...
Just seems outta place >.> (I mean, imagine if every ep that was released of every series was announced like this... we'd have tons of these posts every day =/ ....)
NoSanninWa smiles wryly.
Yeah, except that Condor Hero is special. People are going to need a thread to post what they need to say about the new episode. This show always creates a lot of discussion for each episode. Come to think of it...
NoSanninWa gets an idea...
Tofusensei, have you ever read the novel? :)
Galvatron
2004-03-02, 02:57
oh me love you tofu, me love you long time
babbito2k
2004-03-02, 03:15
Musou is so cute ^_^ I had a feeling she had a thing for Youka
NoSanninWa
2004-03-02, 03:44
Poor Musou. She's only going to be getting her heart broken by Youka. Thank goodness it seems that Youka has finally gotten Ribakshu off their backs.
Now I need to see episode 20!!!!!
Tofusensei
2004-03-02, 03:54
Tofusensei, have you ever read the novel? :)
Sadly, no :(
I can't read chinese, and the only english translation I can find is online... I really have a problem with trying to read a book on my computer. It just doesn't work! I need a nice actual book :/
Anyone know if it has ever been translated into english professionally?
-Tofu
Master Ran
2004-03-02, 08:49
As most of you know, Condor Hero has been telecasted in AXN-ASIA with English subs...chinese for others.
It ended last week, friday. The ending was ah...bitter sweet.
Anyway, i can do some spoiler summaries for eps. 20 and up with pics in this forum.
(I don't have time to make a site though)
So just wondering if thats allowed.
Master Ran
Doesn't this belong in the torrent submissions or something?...
Just seems outta place >.> (I mean, imagine if every ep that was released of every series was announced like this... we'd have tons of these posts every day =/ ....)Yeah, but the last ep I didn't do a post like this and people said "Hey, where's Tofu? He always posts when the new condor hero ep is out" and everyone was sad... :X
Besides, a new condor hero ep is a special occasion, doesn't come every day, hehe
I agree with the point made by Lucier. To this end, I intend to merge all the Condor Hero "episode xx discsussion" threads into one. Sorry, no matter how 'special' the occasion is, it's not fair to the other series to allow Condor Hero to have this leeway.
And in reference to the previous post by Master Ran, I think it would be OK if you did that.
Tofusensei, Condor Heroes trilogy novels has been translated to several different languages around Asia.
Unfortunately there hasn't been any professional translation to english yet. I only found an online translation by fans, they were about 70% done on Youka's story. I do hope with more Live evil's episodes releases, will give more encouragement for those people working on translating the novels. Or hopefully it will atract a publishing company to translate it to english. :)
daimonth
2004-03-02, 23:00
Sigh....
......... the anime completely butchered this part of the story.... They cut out so many cool parts and completely changed the background of the blacksmith....Ah well, I suppose they are running out of time, but still......
Don Eunuch
2004-03-02, 23:59
Sigh....
......... the anime completely butchered this part of the story.... They cut out so many cool parts and completely changed the background of the blacksmith....Ah well, I suppose they are running out of time, but still......
And I thought I was suffering from anmesia. Who will the blacksmith turn out to be?
I stil wished they animate Guo Jing story first, there are so many things missing it's deep meaning. Like when Beggar of the North and Poison of the West finally passed away together, that was like a memorable moment since both of them has been rivals for a long time and both played important roles during Guo Jing's story.
SpikeSpencer
2004-03-03, 12:36
I looked around extensively for the novel but couldnt find anythig in English in a paper form :( but this episode was good... I started watching the show a few weeks ago and am completely hooked...
Mcdonalds
2004-03-03, 15:09
yea, since i started watching this series from the start and i find it one of the better series, although it is tailored to a younger audience, its still got a great storyline. I thought it was a little weird on how the anime has interpreted the reason for the blacksmith telling youka about his past and that bit dragged a little, but it was good ep nonetheless.
its a special occasion when a CH ep is released, since its usually a fair while inbetween.
im still waiting for youka to realise that he's the bee's knee's.
their cant be many people more advanced than him, and yet he's still letting ribakshu kick him around.
come on man, wheres yer stones?!?
Hey I started watching CH just a week ago and now i'm up to ep 19 and still want more. When you say that it takes a fair amount of time between the eps....How long are we talking about? I really want to see this to the end.
Tofusensei
2004-03-06, 19:33
Hey I started watching CH just a week ago and now i'm up to ep 19 and still want more. When you say that it takes a fair amount of time between the eps....How long are we talking about? I really want to see this to the end.
Yukinoroh (main Condor translator guy) says that it'll be done by June. ^^;
-Tofu
Yukinoroh (main Condor translator guy) says that it'll be done by June. ^^;
-Tofu
O thats nice to know. I hope that you mean that all 26 eps will be done by june and not just ep 20 heh
O sorry but I have one more question. I was looking on yesasia.com and they had
The Legend of Condor Hero (Part 2) (Vol.13-26) (To Be Continued) for sale. I am just wondering why it says to be continued when here on animesuki it say there are only 26 eps?
NoSanninWa
2004-03-07, 01:59
O thats nice to know. I hope that you mean that all 26 eps will be done by june and not just ep 20 heh
He meant episode 20. Relax, he's just joking. It usually doesn't take more than 2 months per episode. Sometimes an episode will be done in only 1 month. :heh: No, I'm not joking.
Hehe yeah, that's Live Evil style. They pick up the old cool series too.
Live Evil you are so cruel. >_<
Jeffrey Ruebel
2004-03-10, 18:48
For a english translated novel go to asiapacbooks.com and type in return of condor hero. They are in manga style I believe but it sayed it is in english.
Tofusensei
2004-03-23, 17:48
Ep 20 is out!
http://a.scarywater.net/live-evil/%5BLive-eviL%5D%20Condor%20Hero%20-%20Ep%2020.avi.torrent
Enjoy :)
-Tofu
Ok, as much as I loved this series (and still love the intro sequence), I feel the quality's been going a bit downhill in the last few episodes. Maybe that's due to the namesake novel/whatever...being old, or something, or maybe the anime is taking creative liberties. I don't really care. All I know is the show is beginning to suck.
ANOTHER chick that "bears a striking resemblance to Shouryoujo?" What the hell. How many does there really need to be? The novelty of that creative gimmick wears off FAST.
It's making me sad. The action has become more rare, and of lower quality when it happens.
Hey, wow, there was actually no action at all this episode (20), unless you count that spastic dwarf man getting chased by drunks over a piece of meat as "action." Hint: You don't.
Dude. The series is becoming a PC play-fight cartoon like G.I. Joe or any of those old shows, where no one ever actually gets wounded, despite the fact that the vast majority of antagonists are using swords. Swords that have never seen blood, mind you.
Grah.
Tofusensei
2004-03-23, 20:30
All I can say is... ep 21 will redeem the show :X
-Tofu
Ep 20 was pretty bad, as far as this show goes.
Don Eunuch
2004-03-23, 22:55
Hey, wow, there was actually no action at all this episode (20), unless you count that spastic dwarf man getting chased by drunks over a piece of meat as "action." Hint: You don't.
Hey he's the best character in the series and has the honor of being my first avatar.
:)
Btw Tofusensei, I'm just wondering if Condor Hero 2003 project is being halted. Or are you guys doing Demi Gods, Semi Devils first, since it's the prequel. ^^
Tofusensei
2004-03-24, 12:47
Btw Tofusensei, I'm just wondering if Condor Hero 2003 project is being halted. Or are you guys doing Demi Gods, Semi Devils first, since it's the prequel. ^^
Well, to be honest I am not sure...
L-E doesn't do the work on the drama projects in-house, we actually just distro the subs that another kind fellow (and huge Jin Yong fan) has been subtitling, so it's really completely up to him. I haven't been able to contact him for a while but usually he IMs me every month or two and tells me he has new episodes ready, hehe...
It's my understanding that he plans to continue all three shows he has started (LOCH2003, State of Divinity, and Demigods & Semi-devils), but I cannot be 100% sure.
I for one hope he continues Demigods & Semidevils first cause it's my favorite, hehe! How cool were the fights in ep 1!
-Tofu
Btw Tofusensei, I'm just wondering if Condor Hero 2003 project is being halted. Or are you guys doing Demi Gods, Semi Devils first, since it's the prequel. ^^
Uhh Demi Gods, Semi Devils or 天龙八部 is not really the prequel to Condor Hero 神雕侠侣 . The prequel to the latter is Legend of Shooting Condors or 射雕英雄传.
Demi Gods, Semi Devils or 天龙八部 takes place much much earlier.
Tofusensei
2004-03-24, 13:38
Btw Tofusensei, I'm just wondering if Condor Hero 2003 project is being halted. Or are you guys doing Demi Gods, Semi Devils first, since it's the prequel. ^^
Well, to be honest I am not sure...
L-E doesn't do the work on the drama projects in-house, we actually just distro the subs that another kind fellow (and huge Jin Yong fan) has been subtitling, so it's really completely up to him. I haven't been able to contact him for a while but usually he IMs me every month or two and tells me he has new episodes ready, hehe...
It's my understanding that he plans to continue all three shows he has started (LOCH2003, State of Divinity, and Demigods & Semi-devils), but I cannot be 100% sure.
I for one hope he continues Demigods & Semidevils first cause it's my favorite, hehe! How cool were the fights in ep 1!
-Tofu
Uhh Demi Gods, Semi Devils or 天龙八部 is not really the prequel to Condor Hero 神雕侠侣 . The prequel to the latter is Legend of Shooting Condors or 射雕英雄传.
Demi Gods, Semi Devils or 天龙八部 takes place much much earlier.
Ahh yup, I know Demi Gods, Semi Devils takes place before She Diao Ying Xiong Zhuan. I'm a huge fan of Jin Yong too. ^^
I watched Legend of Condor Heroes, Return of Condor Heroes and Dragon Sabre, New Heaven Sword '83 versions long time ago. But I actually never seen the 2003 versions yet. It's so cool you guys have it. ^^
Also I never watched Demigods, Semidevils before, and episode 1 looks cool, Tofusensei. ^^
SpikeSpencer
2004-03-25, 00:02
I personally thought ep 20 was good. This show became one of my favorites very quickly and so any new episode is welcomed by me....
As for the novels, I am kinda ingorant to the whole saga as watching this anime is the first exposure Ive had to it, but are they availible in english and if so how do they relate to this specific anime?(Thanks in advance)
As for the novels, I am kinda ingorant to the whole saga as watching this anime is the first exposure Ive had to it, but are they availible in english and if so how do they relate to this specific anime?(Thanks in advance)
Glad you like this series. ^^
The relation between the anime and the novel. The condor hero anime is the first part of book 2 of Jin Yong's Condor Hero trilogy. (is that confusing?) :)
Condor Heroes trilogy:
1. Legend of Condor Heroes - Guo Jing's generation story (You ka's uncle)
2. Return of Condor Heroes - You ka's generation story <---- this is where the anime take place.
3. Dragon Sabre, New Heaven Sword - Several generations after You ka.
It's not really necessary to read the entire trilogy because each book has a unique story on their own, but you can fill in alot of gaps and questions if you read them.
For example: Guo Jing's decision to have his daughter and Youka to be married was a long story, a promise between 2 families that have been made before Guo Jing himself even born.
So just to let you know if you like the story in this anime, there are stil alot alot more to the story. ^^
The novels are not officially available in english yet. But there are alot of Jin Yong fans out there, working on translating the novels to english. They basically the same as anime fansub, the difference is they are translating a novel. You can find them by searching Google "Jin Yong translation."
L-E's Legend of Condor Hero 2003 is the story of book 1 Guo Jing's story, it's a live action series and quite close to the novels too.
SpikeSpencer
2004-03-25, 15:47
Excellent :D found a nice site off the bat with translations. The help is appreciated ^^
ironbomb
2004-03-25, 20:02
Dragon Sabre, New Heaven Sword: Can someone tell me how that series goes?
I dont remember the names really well of most series i seen in cantonese.
Ep20 of Ch was pretty boring but it does get betta.
Dragon Sabre, New Heaven Sword: Can someone tell me how that series goes?
I dont remember the names really well of most series i seen in cantonese.
Ep20 of Ch was pretty boring but it does get betta.
Actually its more like New Dragon Sabre, Heaven Sword.
Summary:
Wudang Sect's Zhang Cuishan falls in love with TianYing (Heavenly Eagle) Sect's Yin Susu. Abducted by Golden Lion XieXun who had grabbed the Dragon Sabre to the Isle of Ice & Fire, they married (in the eyes of Heaven and brotherly Xie) and have a kid named Zhang Wuji. Wuji with a orthodox father, unorthodox mother and a vengeful godfather thus seems destined for martial and social greatness.
However when his parents returned with him to China, tragedy struck. Basically without giving too much away, his parents are left dead and he is struck by a deadly skill Legendary Cold palm. He is taken care by his Wudang fosters including the Taichi Grandmaster Zhang Sanfeng.
What follows is basically a tale of how he got superbly powered up, became the Ming Sect leader, acquired a harem of girls (4) all interested in him but due to various factors and reasons most left him. Love & betrayal, integrity & politics all come to play. In the end, he has two of the girls left to take care of.
Hmmm sounds like lovely anime material, doesn't it?
ironbomb
2004-03-25, 23:43
I think i gotta go and get that on vhs :x
Sounds so tempting rite now...Is anyone working on that series anyways?
I was also disappointed with episode 20. Talk about divergance from the novel and live-action series.....Hoping it ends on a high note as i also feel that the the series has been going down hill lately....Maybe i'll watch ROCH 95 again during this spring break to get myself a satisfied feeling :) Besides Carmen Lee is da best!!!!!
Tofusensei
2004-04-09, 18:50
Condor Hero 21 is out!
There will be no bt at first so come get it on irc if you want :)
-Tofu
P.S. How cool was this ep? :D
Jeffrey Ruebel
2004-04-09, 23:04
Your the best Tofu
Jeffrey Ruebel
2004-04-13, 21:26
How do you download ep 21 from irc? :help:
ironbomb
2004-04-13, 22:44
How do you download ep 21 from irc? :help:
GO dl mIRC....... go to there server//channel... request it from a person//bot and start dl or be queued.
SpikeSpencer
2004-04-14, 02:26
DO dl mIRC....... go to there server//channel... requet it from a person//bot and start dl or be queued.
Try this site ..i used it and figured out the rest from the friendly folks in the channel :D
IRC Leeching (http://www.vectori.net/~emi/leech-tut/irc-leech.php)
superman
2004-04-14, 20:59
In China there are several tv series of this anime and it prequel and sequel. there are three main stories that connect with this anime. It the legend of the condor heroes, the condor heroes return(this anime), and the heavenly sword and dragon saber. All of these story revolves around a powerful martial art manuel and the Great Five, which are East Centric, West Venom, South Emperor, Northern Beggar, and Wong Chung Yeung. these stories are really good i grew up watching these series. the legend of the condor heroes and the condor heroes return are connected in many ways. while the heavenly sword and dragon saber only with connected with the condor series because of The martial arts manuel.
Whoaaa, episode 21 and 22!!! I've been waiting patiently, thanks L-E. ^^
Tofusensei
2004-04-26, 00:21
This episode is the only episode so far that has actually made me cry while subtitling it ;_;
-Tofu
nooo is that a spoiler? you are so cruel. >_<
I'm J/k Tofu. ^^
Episode 22
I feel like kicking that perverted old geezer in the nut. That bastard making Youka and Koko suffers so much. I hate that character more than Ribakushu.
Cannot wait for episode 23 now. >_<
Tofusensei
2004-04-26, 11:46
I'm J/k Tofu. ^^
Episode 22
I feel like kicking that perverted old geezer in the nut. That bastard making Youka and Koko suffers so much. I hate that character more than Ribakushu.
Cannot wait for episode 23 now. >_<
Yeah, how sad was it when Shouryuujo jumped into the thorns to suffer together with Youka? Those two love each other so much ;___; I need episode 23 as bad as you do, hehe.
-Tofu
Hehe it was funny moment when the funny old man cut the beard (poor beard guy).
And he run around butt naked scaring the female guards. He's a great character. ^^
Jeffrey Ruebel
2004-04-26, 14:35
episode 22 was very good the show came back compared to the last few shows. Can't wait until episode 23. THANK YOU L-E
Jeffrey Ruebel
2004-04-26, 21:48
I here there's going go be a season 2. Where can I get information about that?
Oh no, I'm addicted, I want more. This serie is so good. I can't wait for more.
I here there's going go be a season 2. Where can I get information about that?
Is there? I really, really hope so. From what I can infer, this series didn't get ratings high enough to warrant a second season. It's probably one of the most underrated shows of all time. Heh, too bad I can't read the originals.
Jeffrey Ruebel
2004-04-27, 16:03
That's what they say over at www.live-evil.org.
Hi.. i read around.. and ppl say that it ends at episode 26.. but then the story does not end there... some people are saying that there are actually 52 episodes..but i haven ot found any proof of this yet.. anyone have any proof that it is 52 episodes and not 26? i really hope they actually end the story and not cut it in the middle
This post was a new thread. For the sake of the great god Tidyness it has been merged with the main Condor Hero thread.
Don Eunuch
2004-05-01, 03:46
i really hope they actually end the story and not cut it in the middle.
It is cut in the middle, and the second half is more delicious.
Happy waiting, or if you really impatient go read the fansubs of the novel.
man, 4 more episodes left, that just feel too soon.
I'm just guessing it will end somewhere after they got away from that fortress and going to trade the antidote poison. It's an awkward place to stop.
The Condor hasn't even come out yet. >_<
NoSanninWa
2004-05-01, 04:04
man, 4 more episodes left, that just feel too soon.
I'm just guessing it will end somewhere after they got away from that fortress and going to trade the antidote poison. It's an awkward place to stop.
The Condor hasn't even come out yet. >_<
As for the antidote poison I'm not so sure that the master has it. I think there is a good chance that is what the old brat gave him to keep safe. He just has to realize that he already has the antidote... at least that is what I think.
As for the antidote poison I'm not so sure that the master has it. I think there is a good chance that is what the old brat gave him to keep safe. He just has to realize that he already has the antidote... at least that is what I think.
I don't quite remember the exact detail where were the antidote is, but that's what I'm guessing too
More about the antidote.
It is a bit more complicated that that, when they found out later on that there is only 1 antidote left....
Master Ran
2004-05-01, 06:23
I don't quite remember the exact detail where were the antidote is, but that's what I'm guessing too
More about the antidote.
It is a bit more complicated that that, when they found out later on that there is only 1 antidote left....
Gawd, i'm itching to tell... :uhoh:
well.. supposidly
spoiler.. (donno how to do that show thing)
that at episode 26 the story is not finished as in its only the middle of the story ..
also, i heard that there are actually 52 episodes which makes more sense because it is impossible to fit the entire story into 26, 20 min episodes
uber_hund
2004-05-02, 14:05
This is not a question why all series are not out..
My question is WHY isn't all episodes there? i can just download to 22 ? and i know there is 26 that should be released... anyone have them or can post them for me so i can download them. ?
Or tell my why there not there atleast...
AnimeSuki only listed english fansub titles, and Live Evil the group who subbing Condor Hero just released episode 22 like a week ago, so be patient and stay tuned. ^^
uber_hund
2004-05-02, 14:44
ahhh, yeah your right.... sorry.
Hokage Ace
2004-05-02, 19:19
It is cut in the middle, and the second half is more delicious.
Happy waiting, or if you really impatient go read the fansubs of the novel.
where can I find the fansubs for the novels? does anybody here know?
I want to buy the VCD that Yesasia.com have, but I am afraid that they might be
in chinese. here is the link to the VCD http://us.yesasia.com/en/prodRvListPage.aspx?pid=1002939175§ion=anime&code=c&
Are these in Japanese or in Chinese?
Mcdonalds
2004-05-13, 15:54
to my knowledge it has no english subtitles and its in chinese dub
to my knowledge it has no english subtitles and its in chinese dub
Thanks for the info, I was afraid that it was a chinese Dub, I would like to know where LE is getting the version in Japanese. I have searched Japanese sites for it but with no luck. I guess I will have to survive with the novel translation and the manga.
I already saw the entire Condor Hero in Chinese. Is there a second season coming out? As you guys said, it ends before the book finishes...
You guys are already approaching the end (L-E currently has ep 22 out) and I will say that the end is somewhat rushed: due to lack of funding? If so, then there probably won't be a second season.
Tofusensei
2004-06-05, 21:45
Well, ep 23 is finally out. Go get it, guys :)
To anyone who has seen this far in the live-action series:
How did they handle the alligators in the chinese drama? I don't imagine they'd act very well :D
-Tofu
Link to bit torrent for CONDOR HERO 23 (http://a.scarywater.net/live-evil/%5BLive-eviL%5D%20Condor%20Hero%20-%20Ep%2023.avi.torrent)
Well, ep 23 is finally out. Go get it, guys :)
To anyone who has seen this far in the live-action series:
How did they handle the alligators in the chinese drama? I don't imagine they'd act very well :D
-Tofu
Link to bit torrent for CONDOR HERO 23 (http://a.scarywater.net/live-evil/%5BLive-eviL%5D%20Condor%20Hero%20-%20Ep%2023.avi.torrent)
Domo Arigatoo :) you just made my day. All hail Live-Evil & Tofu :bow: :bow: :bow: :) I was starting to wonder when the next ep of Condor Hero will be released. Better get out eps 21 & 22 before I see 23, its been awhile.
TheLaughingMan
2004-06-06, 00:20
I have one question (I have only seen eps 1-4 so far) forgive me if it has already been asked in this thread. Can anyone give me some info on the song that plays AFTER the end song and credits, when they are defining terms?
Tofusensei
2004-06-06, 00:37
I have one question (I have only seen eps 1-4 so far) forgive me if it has already been asked in this thread. Can anyone give me some info on the song that plays AFTER the end song and credits, when they are defining terms?
It's "birds" by Maaya Sakamoto, off of her mini-album Easy Listening.
And congratulations, you just asked the most common question I get about CH besides "when is the next episode coming out?!" :D
-Tofu
TheLaughingMan
2004-06-06, 10:48
Must show how catchy the song is. :P
Thanks! You wouldn't happen to have the lyrics would you?
NM, found them (though how accurate is anime lyrics.com...?).
Budweineken
2004-06-06, 12:50
This really sucks... I just can't imagine how are they going to wrap the story up in three episodes... I just know that for lack of episodes I'm going to be very dissapointed... the most dissapointed i'll be after watching an anime...
Don Eunuch
2004-06-07, 00:56
This really sucks... I just can't imagine how are they going to wrap the story up in three episodes... I just know that for lack of episodes I'm going to be very dissapointed... the most dissapointed i'll be after watching an anime...
Maybe you should hold off watching until the second season is finished. Yes?
Budweineken
2004-06-07, 01:13
Well if you can assure me that there will be a second season then i have no problems... even if it is 10 years from now... i'm never in a hurry, but I would hate it if it just ended in 26 episodes... I just hate to have unfinished stories... especially to my favorite series
If it just ends in 26 I suggest a change in name to the Legend of Kobo Hero lol
But nah, I'm prett sure that production is underway and the story will be finished...
Don Eunuch
2004-06-07, 02:57
Someone asked for a translation of the novel a page back.
The site with the translation is undergoing redesign and the translation area is still down. However the reading room translation has only part 1 to 7 and the rest(which is still undergoing translation)can be found in their forum.
http://www.spcnet.tv/
In the Wuxia translation forum
Under ROCH[Return Of The Condor Heroes] by noodles thread
Chapter 8 starts around the bull riding incident.
Names
Zenshinkyou = Quan Zhen Jiao AKA All Truth Sect
Youka = Yang Guo
His uncle Kakusei = Guo Jing
His aunt Kouyou = Huang Rong
Shouryuujo = Xiao Long Nuu AKA Little Dragon Girl
Ribakushuu = Li Mo Chuo AKA Scarlet Immortal
Those people at the wuxia translation forum are amazing, it's probably more works translating an entire chinese novel into english, than translating anime episodes. And they are doing it alone too on their own free time.
I was so happy if I check the board and I find a new chapter translation. ^^
About the 26th episode of Condor Hero, I'm kinda guessing They gona stop somewhere near the battle in Xiang Yang (I'm not sure what that city called in Japanese)
Master Ran
2004-06-07, 06:56
:heh: :heh: :heh: Those people at the wuxia translation forum are amazing, it's probably more works translating an entire chinese novel into english, than translating anime episodes. And they are doing it alone too on their own free time.
I was so happy if I check the board and I find a new chapter translation. ^^
About the 26th episode of Condor Hero, I'm kinda guessing They gona stop somewhere near the battle in Xiang Yang (I'm not sure what that city called in Japanese)
Well, the ending=ep. 26 (Anime)
...kinda sux.
Ending : Koko was cured but not Youka.
They wen't back to Tomb Cave (forgot the place) riding a small boat, miserable but so much in love.
A lot of questions were left unanswered.
An ending narration made sure of this.
That's why a lot of fans we're asking :heh: for a 2nd season LOCH
(The complete live action answered it though)
Anyone of you uses Streamload? 'cuz i have 24-26 subbed (but in LQ)
Budweineken
2004-06-07, 07:14
If you go to this webpage: http://www.nippon-animation.co.jp/new/title/kanfu/index.html
and translate this line "第27話から第52話の制作進行中です。（来年秋完成予定）日本での放映につきましては現在未 定です" under the broadcasting schedule and translate it with babelfish this is what you get: "It is the production under way of 52nd story from 27th story. (Fall of next year completion schedule) in Japan presently it is undecided concerning televising"
If you turn it around my guess is that it means that episodes 27-52 are in production for fall of next year, but that televising is still under consideration...
At least this keeps my hopes up
Yeah I hope they do the 2nd season, because there are so much more haven't been told yet and going to happen to Youka.
And the giant condor, it's my favorite character, he's so cool.
Budweineken
2004-06-07, 07:25
Yeah I hope they do the 2nd season, because there are so much more haven't been told yet and going to happen to Youka.
And the giant condor, it's my favorite character, he's so cool.
Does the Condor appear on this first 26 episodes? because i didnt think they would get that far
I really do hope for a second season. I love this series so far. An incomplete ending would make me sad. :( I really wish a company would translate the novels into english. ^_^; It's nice that there's a fantranslation of it going along but I would really prefer reading a book and having the book.. Nothing like curling up in bed reading a good book. xP But the story is really what makes this anime so great. Well.. The awesome op and ed themes too.. xD Does look like it's cutting close though.. Hm.
Does the Condor appear on this first 26 episodes? because i didnt think they would get that far
I haven't seen passed episode 23 yet, but kinda guessing it won't make it to that point yet. It's been a long time since I read the novels or watch the live action, so i'm not quite sure the chain of events.
But the Condor is like in the later half of the story, that's the point when Youka lost his hand and got seperated with Koko again.
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