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kj1980
2004-09-12, 06:35
It's been a while since I watch an anime with much emotion, even though I know what's going to happen. I’m going to write as if Touko-chan as a fiendish usurper here (even though it is not really the case) as to keep in the same thought process as the non-novel readers.

The sakuga quality was exceptionally excellent. I'd assume the animators would use their best skills to portray this last arc of this season, and they did.

In the novel, this whole thing is taking place at the same time as the previous two episodes, but alas there have been no notion shown in this anime of such inter-twining.

So we begin with Sachiko-sama cancelling the amusement park date with Yumi. Something seems to have come up (most likely to be answered in the last episode). And, Touko-chan devilishly appears...

[OP sequence]

Yep, you can't forget about Yumi's blue umbrella...that is an important symbolism.

Minako-sama takes Yumi over to show Sachiko-sama with Touko-chan. Yumi thinks Minako-sama has brought her over so she can get a scoop on a "Red Rose Revolution" (by the way, the Lillian Newspaper showing that is pretty cool). However, Minako-sama does not want to see Yumi and Sachiko break up and end up in the same predicament as her friend.

Hmm, is it just me or that Yasuko, Masumi and Asaka look very scary (it reminds me of Fate/stay night) in this memory scene? While no name is given here (as well as in the novel), a short story was released in this February issue of Cobalt Magazine about this soeur-triangle incident. Yasuko is the gran soeur, Asaka (Minako-sama’s friend) is the 'real' petit soeur and Masumi is the usurper.

Actually, the memory shot doesn't even look like them at all...

Here's a picture of Yasuko and Masumi from this February's issue of Cobalt by illisutrator Hibiki Reine:
http://www.boomspeed.com/kj1980/Yasuko_Masumi.jpg

and this is Asaka:
http://www.boomspeed.com/kj1980/Asaka.jpg

Going back to the story, Minako-sama does not want to see the Rosa Chinensis soeurs to end up in a soeur-triangle, nor does she wish to see Yumi putting on a facade smile.

Yumi looks so cute here trying on her clothes to wear for the next date she promised with Sachiko-sama. Yuuki is happy to see Yumi finally smiling again. Yuuki however strikes a good point on worrying about Yumi on her school life being so dependent revolving around Sachiko-san.

The phone rings…and we finally see a glimpse of Yumi and Yuuki’s mom!!! It’s only her back side though. Yuuki hands over the phone to Yumi…and it is Sachiko-sama. Once again, the date has been cancelled since something has come up. Rage of emotions and questions churns up within Yumi…but she chokes them down into her id and says “it’s okay.” I thought this part was articulated rather well along with the novel. Good job.

Cut to scene on the next day where Touko-chan is waiting in front of the Bara-no-Yakata. It is as if she was waiting for Yumi-sama to appear just to show that she is much more closer to Sachiko-sama. Touko-chan hands Sachiko-sama’s wristwatch in front of Yumi.

Good thing the anime did not forget to cut out the hydrangea lecture.

[Commercial break & eyecatch]

Cut to scene at the Yamayurikai. In the novel, the events that take before this was the incident where Noriko-chan was “lectured” by Sachiko-sama on how to address Shimako. No mention whatsoever was done in this scene, so I’d taken to assume that in the anime, the past two episodes were not happening simultaneously as in the novel.

Yumi asks Sachiko-sama to decide on a next date for their amusement park trip. Yumi’s psychology here is on the verge of frailty as she begins to mutter “As long as I get a promise, I will be at ease until that date” and “I don’t mind it becoming cancelled…as long as I get a promise, I will be rest assured…”

Touko-chan cuts in, whispers something into Sachiko-sama’s ear, and they start to leave. Yumi makes a strong move here by addressing “Onee-sama, we are still under discussion.” Sachiko-sama turns back and tells Touko-chan to wait downstairs, and tells Yumi that “Yumi…I cannot make a promise right now because I don’t have such schedule. Please…understand.” Sachiko-sama starts to walk off. Yumi dashes to Sachiko-sama “Please, don’t go!” while Touko-chan addresses Sachiko-sama to hurry up. Yumi makes her boldest move yet by yelling at Sachiko-sama “So you’ve chosen Touko-chan over me!” Sachiko-sama turns back with a very scary look by ending the conversation with “…okoruwayo” (I will get angry) to Yumi.

Alas, however there was one thing missing in the anime that was in the novel – Yumi’s monologue after this in the novel was of a very strong conjecture. Since non-novel readers would be eager to know what was going on inside Yumi’s mind after this, here is a rough translation of that scene (Mari-mite Vol. 10 pg. 193-194):

Touko-chan calls out for haste from beneath the stairwell. As her (Sachiko) hand reached for the doorknob, Yumi desperately yells

“So you’ve chosen Touko-chan over me!”
Sachiko-sama paused for a moment. As she turned back, her facial expression was of anger that [Yumi] had never seen before.

“…[continue this further and] I will get angry.”

Leaving behing that remark, Sachiko-sama left the room and headed downstairs where Touko-chan was waiting.

“Get angry…?”

Grimaced Yumi as she stood alone in the empty room. If she wants to get angry, go ahead and get angry. It’s much better than making up for the debt with kind smiled or sweet words.

That is why Yumi felt great that Sachiko-sama showed such expression to her. She was able to make Sachiko-sama into such level of anger. Whether or not what was in that angered emotion, it showed that Yumi’s thoughts reached directly at Sachiko-sama.

Yumi thinks to herself what a twisted expression of amour she has – to ask for a promise that cannot be given or to say such things to make Sachiko-sama angry.

She can feel herself becoming more and more unstable. Yumi looks at the rain hitting the side of the window glass.

It’s this rain. It’s all the weather’s fault. That is why my mood does not clear up.

Going back to the anime.

Yumi is in melancholy as she walks with the last thought written in the novel in mind.

Once again, there is a difference between the novel and the anime. In the novel, Sei-sama comes into Yumi’s umbrella because she forgot her umbrella. Sei-sama quickly figures something is wrong with Yumi and figures it has to deal with “that horizontal roll” that she just walking alongside with Sachiko just a few moments ago. Sei-sama tells Yumi that she is willing to lend an open arm to discuss what Yumi has mushed deep within her emotion. Sei-sama adds, “Yumi-chan, please do not give up on Sachiko.” Yumi does not respond as she thinks to herself that she cannot always keep on relying on a person that had graduated – that this is something that she needs to resolve on her own. Too bad this scene was entirely cut from the anime – but I guess time constraints do happen.

Cut to scene at the convenience store. Yumi buys a box of butter (not shown in anime) that her mother asked her buy on the way back home. However, her beloved blue umbrella gets “stolen.” That was the last straw that cut loose the emotions that she packed into the bag within her.

Yumi comes home all wet and crying….and we get our first shot of Yumi’s mom and dad!!! This is the first appearance of Fukuzawa Miki (mom – her surname before being married was Houribe) and Fukuzawa Yuichiro (dad). Take the “yuu” from dad and “mi” from mom, and you get “yumi.” Take the “yuu” from dad and “ki” from mom, and you get “yuuki.” Of course, currently the credits at the ending only says “Yumi’s Mother,” but there that trivia for those non-novel readers. As Miki, Yuichiro, and Yuuki looks at Yumi in shock, Yumi begins to cry in pain and sorrow as she screams “…Don’t take people’s stuff!! Don’t take the things I cherish away from me!!!!”

It’s Sunday again and she decides to call Sachiko-sama to apologize on what happened on Friday. She calls the Ogasawara household only to have the call taken by…Kashiwagi Suguru. He tells Yumi that Sachiko cannot answer the phone as she became carsick. Suguru, not knowing what is going on within Yumi’s mind, rest assures her that Sachiko is doing fine and that Touko-chan is taking care of her at her side. Yumi figures that this was Sachiko’s answer to her question Yumi yelled at her that fateful day. Yumi reaches for her rosario…and takes it off. She had become tired of being in doubt of someone she had admired.

Yumi refused to come to the Yamayurikai meetings that week. Yoshino, being worried, asks what is wrong and tries to help. Yumi, however refuses that it is all too late. Yumi, clenching and shoving her rosario into her skirt-pocket, walks out of the school, leaving a concerned Yoshino behind. There, Sachiko-sama is waiting for Yumi. Sachiko-sama, with the same kind voice, calls Yumi’s name. “I should let you know what is going on,” says Sachiko-sama as she touches Yumi’s tie.

Yumi, looking up to her beloved oneesama, is in mixed emotions – her feelings for her beloved gran soeur still exists, yet ponders deeply how many more times she will be allowed to call Sachiko-sama as her “oneesama.” Her “heart“began to melt” with her beloved oneesama beside her. Just then, Touko-chan appears.

Yumi’s “melting heart froze instantly” as she deduced that Sachiko-sama was not waiting for her, but was actually waiting for Touko-chan. Yumi coolly says to Sachiko-sama, “oh, I understand” and begins to walk away. Touko-chan then has the “nerve” to say, “Wait Yumi-sama. Your discussion has not been finished yet. Would you care to join us on the way as you discuss your matter? Right, Rosa Chinensis” with Sachiko-sama agreeing. Yumi could not stand it any more and runs away into the rain.

Filled with emotions of rage, anger, distraught, sorrow, fear…Yumi cries as she runs in the rain. She is at the bottom of her troubles…when she catches a glimpse of Sei-sama ahead of her. Yumi, throws everything she was carrying and jumps into Sei-sama’s arms crying as if clinging on to her last hope of light. Sei-sama has been always there for Yumi whenever in trouble. Sei-sama kindly wads Yumi’s head. Sachiko tries to call for Yumi, but Yumi refuses to let go out of Sei’s warm arms. Sachiko sighs in despairs to Sei-sama “I am sorry for the trouble” and hands Yumi’s belongings to Sei.

Yumi is still crying in Sei’s arms, when Sei says that Sachiko is about to leave. Yumi realizes that Sei has Yumi’s belongings in her hands – that Sachiko-sama went into the wet and muddy ground to pick up her belongings. Yumi yells “oneesama” once again as she runs towards the car carrying Sachiko-sama and Touko-chan. However, the car leaves behind Yumi as if Sachiko had gave up on her. Yumi cries down in further despair as the car leaves…

We see a shot of Sei-sama…and a glimpse of Katou Kei in the blurry background.

Episode ends with Yumi crying in the rain in the middle of the street.




Next episode: more new characters:
Katou Kei – Satou Sei’s “friend”
Ikegami Yumiko – the elderly woman – Katou Kei’s landlord
Aota Mitsuo – Yumi’s teacher back in first year of middle school, holding Yumi’s blue umbrella.

kj1980
2004-09-12, 06:55
Post viewing thoughts:

Overall, the episode was rather well done...to fit all under 25 minutes.

To be honest however, was that I was somewhat disappointed that the anime was not able to get the portrayal of Sachiko-sama and Touko-chan as in the novel. Moreso, as I got the preclusion that the anime showed Yumi was obviously jumping to conclusions (unless I am assuming that way since I read the novel). I want to know how the non-novel readers took this episode on why Sachiko was cancelling both promises (three in the novel) for her date with Yumi to the amusement park - did you all get the feeling inside you that Sachiko-sama is at fault for putting Yumi into such disarray?

Question two to the non-novel readers: how did Touko-chan portray in this episode? To me, and perhaps lordwu might agree, that it failed to show Touko-chan's assumingly fiendish portrayal that the readers got by reading the novel.

On the other hard, there were many places where they beautifully articulated the scenes - such as Yumi coming home all wet and yelling "don't take away the things that I cherish" and the part where she jumps into Sei-sama's arms.

With comparison to the novel in mind...I give this episode a 90/100.

Takemi_Ikazuchi
2004-09-12, 07:36
some of the worst things are done with the best intentions

Shigan
2004-09-12, 08:09
Where did you find the raw? It's not up yet at l33t, or dont tell me you're one of those lucky <beep>s that have a huge parabola antenna on your roof, making your TV able to access EVERYTHING on the other side of the pacific... o_o

kj1980
2004-09-12, 08:13
Where did you find the raw? It's not up yet at l33t, or dont tell me you're one of those lucky <beep>s that have a huge parabola antenna on your roof, making your TV able to access EVERYTHING on the other side of the pacific... o_o

I don't think having a huge parabola antenna in the US will able to access a VHF signal bounced off from Tokyo Tower...

Answer to your question: I live in Japan.

overfiend
2004-09-12, 12:32
I don't think having a huge parabola antenna in the US will able to access a VHF signal bounced off from Tokyo Tower...

Answer to your question: I live in Japan.

Some people have all the luck.

lordwu
2004-09-12, 13:32
Kei! The much touted, rumored "roommate" of Sei finally made her appearance!

I agree with kj1980 on most of the comments. I think with just under 25 minutes it's really difficult to do what the novel achieved. There is just not enough time to "brew" the emotion. kj already pointed out the most important monologue that's cut from the anime. Not only the monologue, but the emotional breakdown Yumi had after Sachiko left was I think a very important turning point in the story.

And yes, Touko should be more evil. I'm not sure what's missing from the anime exactly that makes Touko less evil though. I think it's probably the additional comments in the novel that make Touko look evil to the readers. It would be quite difficult to put those comments in animation.

I liked the last scene a lot. Although not as dramatic as I thought it would be, it's still quite well done.

mrm
2004-09-12, 15:22
The ep was awesome, probably one of my favourite marimite ones. Can't wait to see ep12 :p

Where did you find the raw? It's not up yet at l33t, or dont tell me you're one of those lucky <beep>s that have a huge parabola antenna on your roof, making your TV able to access EVERYTHING on the other side of the pacific... o_o

winny? :P l33t guys just download raws from there and re-tag them -_-

Sweets Yumi
2004-09-12, 15:45
I want to know how the non-novel readers took this episode on why Sachiko was cancelling both promises (three in the novel) for her date with Yumi to the amusement park - did you all get the feeling inside you that Sachiko-sama is at fault for putting Yumi into such disarray?


(edit, I'm writing this over for I didn't even understand what I had written before) :p

I think Sachiko IS at fault for Yumi. For this same exact thing happened last year during the Valentine Arc.

Yumi was avoiding Sachiko but with good intent last year and Sachiko thought Yumi was avoiding her because she didn't care about her.

Yumi was visiting with Rei, Sei..etc...but not Sachiko. (and not noticing Sachikos concern)


Now Sachikos visiting with Touko but not Yumi. (and not noticing Yumis concern)


I haven't seen this episode yet, but (from what is posted) Sachiko sure seems like a hypocrite. Going off and leaving your soeur in the dark about whats going on, even if it's somehing slight, after going off on Yumi over the same thing last season. Sachiko knows better since she herself was just put in this same situation not too long before.


I suppose I doomed to never like her character. :(

oink
2004-09-12, 17:07
Hmm....I dont demand much, I just wish I know japanese, then I dun need to wait for the translated version......... hehe..... still on episode 7 for me...... sigh

gourami
2004-09-12, 21:26
I think Sachiko IS at fault for Yumi. For this same exact thing happened last year during the Valentine Arc.

I haven't seen this episode yet, but (from what is posted) Sachiko sure seems like a hypocrite. Going off and leaving your soeur in the dark about whats going on, even if it's somehing slight, after going off on Yumi over the same thing last season. Sachiko knows better since she herself was just put in this same situation not too long before.


I suppose I doomed to never like her character. :(


I haven't watched this ep either, but I have to agree with you. The same thing just happened during Valentine's Day!
If my memory is right, Sachiko was scolding at Yumi for not being straight forward in terms of expressing her feelings and all that. However, Sachiko is not much better at this herself! (I guess they ARE alike to some extend)

From kj1980's input, it seems like nightmare all over again for Yumi-chan.

(a side note: I just watched ep 7, and I already wanna kick Touko out of the show... she's evil :nono: )

kj1980
2004-09-12, 23:01
(a side note: I just watched ep 7, and I already wanna kick Touko out of the show... she's evil :nono: )

Hmm, it looks like what I pondered about how the non-novel readers would perceive Touko-chan was nothing to be a worry about.

Too bad you guys would not get that baptismal treatment of レイニー止め* which would further increase your anxiety.

*レイニー止め (Rainy-dome = Rainy Stop) is a term used by Marimite fans who were reading the "Rainy Blue" novel and were left with anticipation and agonizing anxiety for about a month until its antithesis "Parasol o Sashite" was released.

This has become somewhat of a baptismal situation for non-novel readers - a person who hasn't read the "Marimite" novels will get a response from the book store and people who have read the novel in such way:

A: "I heard that 'Maria-sama ga Miteru' has a great story. Is it really that great?"
B: "Oh, it is absolutely great. You should at least read up to Volume 10 - 'Rainy Blue' "
A: "Oh, cool. Thanks."
B: [snickers]

After reading up to "Rainy Blue"

A: "I need to read the next volume!"

pyu
2004-09-13, 01:01
I just watched ep 11, (yet another raw...) and though I couldn't understand what was being said, Yumi's distress was very obvious.

Sachiko seems so distant and cold in this episode. And she is so full of contradictions! On one hand, she is envious at the closeness that Sei and Yumi has, but her attitude and tone towards Yumi seems to indicate she does not expect their relationship to enjoy the same closeness.

And yet, she allows Touko to be close to her - though I guess Sachiko is more used to Touko since they are relatives. Poor Yumi must be so confused at the signals she is getting from her beloved onee-sama. I personally think Yumi is a bit over-sensitive near the end of this ep, though I wouldn't blame her...

As for Touko, she appears so evil and catty. She must be, since she is taunting Yumi on purpose...

Yxy
2004-09-13, 05:55
I watched the chinese sub and the general impression :
Sachiko == idiot
Touko == EVIL
Yumi == jumping around to conclusions w/o much basis (but I can't really blame her though...)

Nork22
2004-09-13, 08:12
I watched the chinese sub and the general impression :
Sachiko == idiot
Touko == EVIL
Yumi == jumping around to conclusions w/o much basis (but I can't really blame her though...)
Having watch the raw with little understanding of Japanese, that's basically the same impression I got with those 3.

Still, I like Touko, even though this episode made her look bad.

Shigan
2004-09-13, 11:29
Awright! Just watched ep 11.

Haven't read the novels, but my whole impression of the scenario was more or less that it wasn't just Yumi who was jumping to conclusions. Of course, Minako's story didn't do a lot of help convincing Yumi that such was not the case but Sachiko's way of handling the brewing conflict left a lot to be desired.

You are the frigging Rosa Chinesis for god's sake. She sure didn't seem so here and gave a rather sad impression of someone who is taking over the work of Mizuno Youko.

Every decision and word she made and spoke could have been better. And this was not about a random school issue that is given to the student council, this was about her own petite soeur. While I don't know the reason for Sachiko acting in this way, it may be forgivable, it may not, but it still doesnt change that she is absolutely no help in handling the situation.

Yumi's big and small signs of needing more attention is obvioulsy not going her by but actually ignored by her. ("So you prefer Touko-chan over me?" <-- If that isn't an obvious cry after attention, *what* is???) Sachiko isn't stupid, but she sure is making an insensitive ass of herself. Ok, Yumi *is* an over-sensitive person, but it isn't like Sachiko don't know that, they are soeurs after all.

To sum it up:

No props for Sachiko in this ep X(

Poor Yumi indeed T_T

Sei still rocks XD

And YAY, we got a Yumi vs Touko rumbling coming up in the next ep. POUNCE THE DRILL Yumi-chan, I'm rooting for you! :D

laurore31
2004-09-13, 15:03
I just watched this episode...

Maybe am i wrong about : sachiko spoke with yumi (in the first minutes of episode) about shigotto (job?) and father ???

I really hate Touko, really !!!!! ontoni !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't understand sachiko. but I think she doesn't want to involve yumi in her pain... maybe her family wants to marry sachiko as soon as possible ? (suguru is at sachiko's home when yumi call there). This decision would make Yumi very sad, with the result that sachiko doesn't say to her...

but Sachiko MUST tell yumi what's going on. it's her SOEUR ! and touko is just a foolish person, an evil, and really ..... (censure!) !

In my opinion, Sachiko must be nice to touko, it's an order from her father ? no ? i wishhhhhhhhhhh to !!! lol oh, I'm trying to find why sachiko is sad when touko appears in the lillian's garden. Her eyes showed us at this moment that Sachiko is in a bad condition and suffers so much... but why does she not tell Yumi ???! I really want to know !!! please, write a spoiler ????????????

I just don't understand, I want to see the next episode and the end...

fightoooooooooooooooo Yumi for the next episode with Touko.

I will get angry for the next episode because it's not really the next story. i want to see Sachiko and Yumi, but in the preview only kei, sei and yumi were here. (with new characters, and Yumi VS Touko lol)

i really like this series ! I didn't think that this serie was going to touch me as much.....

really sorry for my bad english

mintyfresh
2004-09-13, 17:41
ah, finally got the chance to watch this episode, and I must say, this is definitely what I've been waiting for! ^^

Poor Yumi... she really is in bad shape.. she reminded me of a hapless girlfriend or wife, that's become so engulfed in their relaionship with another human being that can no longer see themself as a whole person. I felt so bad for her the entire episode..

The first rather shocking thing that I noticed were the pictures on Yumi's board in her room -- all with her and Sachiko in some way. ..I don't know about anyone else, but for some reason, my mind zipped right back to the Valentines Day arc of the first season, and to Mifuyu's board (which Yumi's bore a striking resemblance to...only less stalker-ly).
It doesn't look good that she counts down the days to their dates, either..
And the scene in the Rose Mansion was definitely Yumi at her worst.

But man oh man, is this season (if not just this episode) definitely scoring some great scenes! I can NOT emphasise how much i loved the scene where Yumi gets the call from Sachiko, and completely lets loose of all her pent up rage and questions in her mind (I don' think I can remember the last time I heard her so angry), and when she was done with her internal onslaught, said a simple "it's okay". Definitely very realistic -- I can remember a few times when that was me in her place.. ^^;

And the scene where Yumi comes home without her umbrella -- I haven't heard that much sadness and raw emotion in her voice since the end of the 2nd episode of the first season.

Anyhow..
I don't know about everyone else, but I don't really think that Yumi was jumping to conclusions. I think this episode does prove that Yumi's personality is indeed quite unstable, but her suspiciousness was not her fault -- Sachiko did not explain herself at all, and if she was confiding anything to anyone, it looked like she was doing all the talking to Touko.

Granted, I couldn't get through this ep without sensing some sort of ulterior motive for Sachiko and Touko's actions (Touko, probably just because I like her.. ^^; ). But still, there were too many signs that I picked up..

what's the significance of the watch?
what the heck was Suguru doing there?
and did Sachiko really get carsick..?

Oh well. This episode did indeed make Touko look bad (horrible, usurping wench bad), and if I wasn't horribly biased, I'd think the blame should be placed entirely on her. But it looks like maybe a little bit of light might finally be shone onto Touko's personality in the next episode...

(Finally, a fight!! A can hardly wait!!! :p )

lordwu
2004-09-13, 18:21
Actually, anyone who hasn't read the novel wants to take a shot at guessing what's Sachiko's business? What's she doing behind Yumi's back? There was a poll held before the release of Parasol o Sashite and there were some interesting results then. :)

mintyfresh
2004-09-13, 19:02
She's pregnant!!! XD



Now, what do i win? :heh:

atua
2004-09-13, 19:29
Actually, anyone who hasn't read the novel wants to take a shot at guessing what's Sachiko's business? What's she doing behind Yumi's back? There was a poll held before the release of Parasol o Sashite and there were some interesting results then. :)
I'll give it a stab... just don't laugh at my wildly incorrect guesses. ;)

My take on Sachiko:

It seems that Sachiko has been pre-occupied with some internal, family related issues (eg conflict/illness/death/something to do with her father/grandfather etc) which has been taking up much of her spare time and thoughts. As a result she's been less attentive to what's going on than usual. Since it's a personal problem, Sachiko didn't want to overly worry or burden Yumi and feels that it's something that she should handle herself. Mind you, this doesn't nullify Shigan's point that Sachiko's current level of inter-personal relationship skill really isn't worthy of a Rosa Chinensis (compared with Youko, for instance) especially considering what had happened during the Valentine's Day incident.

This partly explains why Touko's been hanging around Sachiko so much lately; it's natural as a relative to want to support Sachiko at this time if she can. I really feel that the way Touko's been acting is more out of protectiveness of Sachiko than any conniving or maliciousness towards Yumi. The problem is, Touko is stepping into what Yumi considers her territory and Yumi's already feeling vulnerable. Touko's condescending and snobby attitude doesn't help either... ^^;

Suguru's sudden appearance at Sachiko's home also seems to support the family problem theory. He acted like he thought Yumi already knew what was going on and was only ringing to check up on Sachiko, so obviously he thought Sachiko had told her what's going on already...

Sachiko's biggest mistake this episode was that she should've learnt her lesson from the Valentine's Day incident and been upfront with Yumi all along. She probably should've been more attentive of Yumi as well, but then again her people observation skill was never her strongest point.

My take on Yumi:

Since this episode was told from Yumi's point of view, it's easy as a member of the audience to sympathise for her plight. Having said that, I don't think Yumi is entirely blameless in this mess either. Her lack of self confidence really comes into play this episode, though the series of events that occur, such as her talk with Minako, and the repeat outing cancellations didn't help her cause.

Though Yumi is a huge fan of Sachiko, or maybe it's *because* she's such a big fan, Yumi is rarely open with Sachiko about her true thoughts and feelings. Instead she hides her fears and frustrations behind her smile, when she should've tried to confront and thus deal with her feelings. For example, she didn't voiced her misgivings about Sachiko's cancellation whilst she had Sachiko's uninterrupted attention on the phone but instead just brushed it off as if it didn't really bothered her. Sure Yumi's actions were understandable and I'm sympathetic to her feelings as a viewer, but it looks like Sachiko isn't the only one who should've remembered what happened on Valentine's Day...

Yumi also has a habit of going to Sei (though admittedly an accident this time) for emotional support whenever she has problems with Sachiko instead of dealing with Sachiko directly. I think Sachiko's always been somewhat jealous of Sei & Yumi's easy familiarity and closeness, in contrast to her own more awkward and formal relationship with Yumi. Sachiko would've been quite hurt when rebuffed by Yumi during her attempted explanation for what's happening only to see Yumi run straight into Sei's arms and ignoring all attempts at getting her attention.

At any rate, I enjoyed this episode a great deal and am looking forward to the Yumi/Touko/Sachiko show down! :)

SleeplessHeart
2004-09-14, 02:17
This is surely the most emotional episode so far with a great background music (too bad, they don't have a song).

I rewatched this episode several times to observe what Touko has done.
I did not see that she has done anything wrong here. The problem lies between Yumi and Sachiko. They have taken their relationship for granted. They don't realize that they are very different characters.

laurore31
2004-09-14, 13:12
if sachiko has a family problem, she should tell yumi what's going on. it's natural for friends to be here... or she shoud tell only that she has a problem and she can't go on date with her, Yumi would probably understand... whereas she moves away from Yumi... and yumi is sad... so sad... :-(

I think Touko benefits from the situation... and looks high on Yumi... I hate this type of person... Always and always, she suddenly appears when yumi is arround sachiko... :bash:

yes, this is the most emotional episode...

Yumisuke
2004-09-14, 14:06
I just watched ep 11. I am poor english speaker, sorry. And please don't laugh at my guess (and my english ;) ).

I never doubt Sachilo loves Yumi. But why Sachiko said nothing. Why she didn't took Yumi away from Sei . I guess that refusing Sachiko in Sei's arms, Yumi wanted her to do so and confide everything. That was last chance (for yumi too), but she left... I want to say to Sachiko as she said to Yumi on the day before Valentine's Day in the greenhouse. "Why did you give rosary ?"(I don't remember correct dialog;; )

So I guess Sachiko was worried that if Yumi knows everything, Yumi gives rosary back to her. But what is "evertthing"?? Nothing occurs to me, because I believe also Yumi never dislikes Sachiko whatever happens. ;)

I am really looking forward to next ep.

Nequam
2004-09-14, 16:26
I just watched episode 11, and boy was I impressed. While I haven't read the novel for a comparison, I thought that the script writing, voice acting, music, and everything was spot on to create the most dramatic episode I've seen in Marimite so far.

As for the events of the episode, I honestly can't level any hate towards Touko and I certainly don't blame her for this whole mess (though she certainly didn't help things with her attitude). In fact, it isn't any one person's fault in my eyes. Personally, I think this is just a classic example of a failure to communicate between Yumi and Sachiko... those two really need to work out some of the kinks in their relationship.

Of course, we can always count on Sei to save the day... or at least bring some much needed levity to a heartbreaking situation for poor Yumi. Oooh, I can't wait for the next episode to air!

Proto
2004-12-02, 07:23
Since Ayu loves you all they have included Marimite 11 and Marimite 12 in their mass exodus releases: Props to Ayu and the Marimite team :)

BonBon
2004-12-02, 10:40
*Melts*

Yumi-chan...she's just...

Waaaa! I want to give her a big cuddle!

That mean Sachiko. I don't care what her excuses are. Yumi doesn't deserve to be made to feel like this!

*Is emotional all over the place*

baik!
2004-12-02, 14:26
it's a good thing ayu released both at one time. i am really grateful! thanks! if not, i would have been left to stew in this episode's ending for a long time.......

yeah, the art is awesome. props to the producers for bringing in the big guns at the end. yumi-chan looked like yumi-chan, sachiko looked like sachiko, everyone looked like themselves.

kj1980, your write-up is awesome too. if i could read kanji, i would take it upon myself to translate the books like how you did with that little excerpt you posted. i love it.

after being spoiled silly by all the spoilers that have permeated into this forum, i had a vague idea of what was about to happen. spoiled it a little, so my opinions may be skewed. it was rather difficult to fault sachiko, since it was rather obvious what the circumstances were, and yumi-chan was just worrying about nothing. so to answer your question, as a non-novel reader i still felt as if a big part of the equation wasn't revealed, since the sachiko-touko relationship wasn't implied forcefully enough (in the anime). vague happenings here and there don't constitute sachiko's 'betrayal'; i just felt that we didn't get her half of the story. yumi was jumping to conclusions, sachiko was being vague. both tried to speak (sachiko trying to explain things with touko around, yumi's shouting), but the way they tried was rather.... uneffective.

as for touko, since we're in the dark about what is really happening, i can't say i hate her. the animators tried to make her 'evil' using her facial expressions, but it doesn't seem that way to me. in the next episode, the encounter in the cafeteria drops the evil down by many many notches. it becomes so obvious that yumi got it all wrong.

reading your posts, alot of you think that sachiko was at fault for keeping quiet about things. i agree only to a certain extent, nequam said it well, it felt like just a big miscommunication. when i was watching the scene in the bara no yakata, my mind jumped back to valentine's day too (like alot of you), it was so similar! yumi-chan with her pent-up emotions, sachiko with her inability to express herself well. when yumi shouted at sachiko, it reminded me of that scene where sachiko said "why aren't you attacking me with your feelings (or was it words?)? i won't know what you're thinking if you don't tell me!". yumi shouting at sachiko shows how far she has progressed, and how much sachiko stayed the same. watching it, i felt as if yumi shattered there; but kj1980's post shows how yumi felt more angry and betrayed instead of dismayed and defeated.

atua typed out a great post, i agree with what he (or she) said about both the characters. and with suguru suddenly appearing, i also think it is a family issue.... now lets see, if it involves alot of driving and it is a family issue.... someone got lost? they're searching for something? or they're visiting people to seek help? those are the only things i can think of right now. i don't think it has anything to do with sachiko's family though, since she already mentions that her family is in good health. maybe it's a cancelling of the marriage engagement? (yaaaaay!!!!! :p )

i cried with yumi-chan. :(

more in the next thread. :p

ZeusIrae
2004-12-02, 17:19
Bouuuuuuuouh that'so saaaaaad!I cried at the end of the ep.poor yumi,it'so sad.I need something this so sad.I am i can't see ep2 yet this too much for one day.
This is the first anime that make me feel so sad.that's terrible.
Am i very rationnal here?
try to calm down.......it's so saaaad my fingers are shaking.

Revd
2004-12-02, 19:53
I just registered to say :D

After learnining to patiently wait for the subs two eps in one day is a great reward! Thanks Ayu.

LucifersGirl
2004-12-03, 03:53
It's nice to see more discussion open up again on this Ep, is the fansub just out? Anyway, I do agree with most opion here regarding Sachiko-Yomi-Touko; howver, as a anime-watcher I see Touko more of annoying than Evil.

One thing that bother me is that almost every post the issue that Sachiko's fault for not telling Yumi anything comes up.
Didn't Sachiko try to? In front of school building, regardless of who she's really waiting for, Sachiko would have told Yumi what's going on, if Yumi didn't run off and refuse to even look at her when she called out to.
I know it's a little late, but at least she made an effort to. Bad timing on Touko, but don't think it's intentional.

JokerD
2004-12-03, 04:39
One thing that bother me is that almost every post the issue that Sachiko's fault for not telling Yumi anything comes up.
Didn't Sachiko try to? In front of school building, regardless of who she's really waiting for, Sachiko would have told Yumi what's going on, if Yumi didn't run off and refuse to even look at her when she called out to.
I know it's a little late, but at least she made an effort to. Bad timing on Touko, but don't think it's intentional.

Because it IS her fault for not saying anything. Words which are not spoken cannot be heard. And for more than (?) 3 weeks too. Plus she was seen being close to Touko and not her own seour during this period.
That being said, Yumi should have been a lot more assertive and asked the cause but I guess at that point in time she would not have the self confidence to face Sachiko and Touko together.

LucifersGirl
2004-12-03, 07:18
Ok, maybe I phase the question wrong. I agree that it's Sachiko bad for keeping it for so long, no excuse for that. What I meant to say is why everyone seems to forget to mention that Sachiko did try to tell Yumi what's going on (Before Touko show up and Yumi ran), and still try to talk to her when she's with Sei? Did I miss understand the scene? Does Sachiko not intend to explain her situation in that scene?

JokerD
2004-12-03, 08:40
Yes, she did seem she wanted to tell Yumi something. But right now we don't really know what Sachiko wants to say.
For that I actually blame Touko, lousy timing, lousy choice of words. A simple talk between them, but Touko shows and it all goes to hell. For all Yumi know the next words coming out of Sachiko's mouth could be "Please return my rosery, I want Touko to be my seour now"

I guess in Yumi's state of mind at that moment it would be a "so that's it" kinda thing.
(Am I answering the question? Or am I off the point again?)

LucifersGirl
2004-12-03, 09:33
For all Yumi know the next words coming out of Sachiko's mouth could be "Please return my rosery, I want Touko to be my seour now"

I guess in Yumi's state of mind at that moment it would be a "so that's it" kinda thing.
(Am I answering the question? Or am I off the point again?)

Yes that answered my question. I guess I wasn't thinking what Yumi would have thought at the time. Thanks a lot, JokerD. :)

lordwu
2004-12-03, 13:29
Ok, maybe I phase the question wrong. I agree that it's Sachiko bad for keeping it for so long, no excuse for that. What I meant to say is why everyone seems to forget to mention that Sachiko did try to tell Yumi what's going on (Before Touko show up and Yumi ran), and still try to talk to her when she's with Sei? Did I miss understand the scene? Does Sachiko not intend to explain her situation in that scene?

There was a reason why Sachiko couldn't tell Yumi what she was up to. It was revealed at the very end of the Parasol o Sashite arc in the novel. I don't believe it was told in the anime though.

Proto
2004-12-03, 15:06
Would you mind to spoil us please :)

lordwu
2004-12-04, 00:05
Sachiko told her grandmother a lot of happenings about Yumi when she visited her from time to time. Sachiko's grandmother grew quite fond of Yumi even though she never met her in person and enjoyed listening to Sachiko recounting everything happened between her and Yumi including the date (at the end of the first season). So when Sachiko's grandmother was hospitalized, she asked Sachiko not to tell Yumi about it. Why? She simply didn't want to have Yumi worried about her. And the reason why Sachiko didn't cancel the date to amusement park outright because she actually did want to go with Yumi and to tell her grandmother about the date afterwards to cheer her up in the hospital.

LucifersGirl
2004-12-04, 02:10
Sachiko told her grandmother a lot of happenings about Yumi when she visited her from time to time. Sachiko's grandmother grew quite fond of Yumi even though she never met her in person and enjoyed listening to Sachiko recounting everything happened between her and Yumi including the date (at the end of the first season). So when Sachiko's grandmother was hospitalized, she asked Sachiko not to tell Yumi about it. Why? She simply didn't want to have Yumi worried about her. And the reason why Sachiko didn't cancel the date to amusement park outright because she actually did want to go with Yumi and to tell her grandmother about the date afterwards to cheer her up in the hospital.

Thanks Lordwu: That helps me understand more..
In the anime, Sachiko also gave reason why she couldn't bring herself to tell Yumi what's going on, although it's a different reason from what explain in the Novel. I think the novel's reason makes a lot more sense. The season given in anime isn't all that conviencing.

Lyca
2004-12-05, 12:42
Sachiko told her grandmother a lot of happenings about Yumi when she visited her from time to time. Sachiko's grandmother grew quite fond of Yumi even though she never met her in person and enjoyed listening to Sachiko recounting everything happened between her and Yumi including the date (at the end of the first season). So when Sachiko's grandmother was hospitalized, she asked Sachiko not to tell Yumi about it. Why? She simply didn't want to have Yumi worried about her. And the reason why Sachiko didn't cancel the date to amusement park outright because she actually did want to go with Yumi and to tell her grandmother about the date afterwards to cheer her up in the hospital.


I have often thought that the writers of the show have given Sachiko a colder personality compared to how she actually is in the Novels. From what little I have read on these forums about the Novels it does seem like this has been done deliberatly, possibly to spice the show up a bit.