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Parasol o Sashite.
Finally the last episode of Marimite 2nd season.
Yumi's confrontation with Touko.
Youko's re-appearance.
Explanation of Sachiko's absence.
Love-love scene between Sachiko and Yumi. :love:
Not a bad episode but IMO is somewhat lacking for me. Many small details that are essential to bring out the emotions were skipped because of the time limit. They even have to change the reason why Sachiko can't tell Yumi of her grandmother's sickness. :( I found it more satisfying when I read the ending in the novel. But I'd like to hear the opinions of non-novel readers.
.....so, where do we get the raws when l33t is down? T_T
I hate this sunday, first Madlax get licensed and now l33t goes down...
Yumi's confrontation with Touko.
That was the best part in the ep. Touko was stunned for a moment. She's cuuute when she blushes.
http://dvd.patkany.hu/hostedpics/touko_blush.jpg
Youko's re-appearance.
And Suguru's. He's driving like a crazy racer... :D :D :D
Love-love scene between Sachiko and Yumi. :love:
At last Sachiko can talk about her feelings. Sweet scene. :love:
Parasol o Sashite.
Finally the last episode of Marimite 2nd season.
Yumi's confrontation with Touko.
Youko's re-appearance.
Explanation of Sachiko's absence.
Love-love scene between Sachiko and Yumi. :love:
Not a bad episode but IMO is somewhat lacking for me. Many small details that are essential to bring out the emotions were skipped because of the time limit. They even have to change the reason why Sachiko can't tell Yumi of her grandmother's sickness. :( I found it more satisfying when I read the ending in the novel. But I'd like to hear the opinions of non-novel readers.
I agree.
Overall, this story was good - but I thought it was "too normal." They put it together regularly and to me, it felt that this was lacking the big emotional movement that I experienced from reading the novel.
On the other hand, I was rather please on how they portrayed Ayako-Yumiko meeting: blatantly obvious, yet neither name was mentioned.
More details as I have written here: http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=316985&postcount=13
I think the Yumi-Touko discussion scene was done neatly - but rather missing something from what I perceived from the novel. Touko-chan does blush, which gave it a good positive effect to me though.
Sei-sama didn't appear when Ikegami Yumiko was at Lillian.
Touko-chan was so moe~ in this story...especially her drill bounce.
And Kashiwagi Suguru drives a nice Maserati 3200GT!! Hmm, somehow I figured he would be driving a Ferrari F550 Maranello. Perhaps the person doing the cars is somewhat of a car maniac to bring in such a great car. Speaking of which, I wonder if people like him (i.e.: Satou Sei) all drive crazy like that.
Youko-sama appears once again, and she looks like a very elite career woman.
This is probably the turning point for Suguru himself as well...as more and more after this, he is reduced to working for Yumi. pa-shi-ri! pa-shi-ri!
And so we go on to Sachiko-Yumi meeting.
"eh?"
Is it just me, or is this whole scene lacking a kind of drama that I saw from the novel? Is it the flow, the cheesy yuri-like expressions (which I actually like), or is it just the dialogue flied by too fast? The special ending sequence was not that bad, and bringing in Sachiko and Yumi underneath their parasol was done well as the novel's cover...but something was lacking.
What do non-novel reader's think?
Warning! Don't read my comments in the spoiler tag if you don't want your judgement of this episode be affected by it. :)
In the novel, Sachiko acted strong, didn't cry, ate very little (if any) and was very weak and thin when Yumi visited her. It was not until Yumi visited her she finally let herself up, had a nice cry and got her appetite back. When Youko saw Sachiko being in that state at the burial ceremony she knew only Yumi can help Sachiko to open up and that was why she came directly from the ceremony to fetch Yumi in order to save Sachiko. There is also the part that Youko left for the convenience store after a (unwilling) short chat with Suguru in the garden because she knew that Sachiko will get her appetite back soon and will want to have something to eat. These are the small details that makes the ending so great, for me at least. Editing out these scenes is like missing out 80% of the emotion.
Ayako-Yumiko part I agree is probably the only part that outdid the novel. Very well done. Some of the conversations between Yumi and Touko were cut and order changed (Yumi's waving hand) which makes it less entertaining as it should have been.
mintyfresh
2004-09-26, 19:47
What do non-novel reader's think?
Well, I thought that the ep was done quite well. I must say, the animation is superb -- I loved the scene where Suguru was creating highway havoc in his flashy sports car (it's only poetic justice for him and Sei to drive alike.. ^^'). And I must say, Touko was indeed cute in this episode. And the fact that Yumi met with her after Shimako noted that she and Yoshino should consider getting petit souers... why, if I hadn't known better, I would have thought that Yumi was going to give Touko her rosary. I'm sure that's what all the other girls that gathered thought (and maybe Touko herself). And even though I have spoiled a few things for myself, I still took her subtle blushes towards Yumi as a foreshadowing of things to come.
:heh:
Now for the important stuff. I'm really liking the new Yumi, and I think that she shines through in this episode -- from the acknowledging of her fans (which didn't seem at all smug and patronizing, but rather cute and friendly) to how calm she acted throughout the entirety of this episode.
Also, I thought that Sachiko and Yumi's reunion (the initial embrace) was very well done (too bad I can't say the same about the "i love you" scene.. I mean really, flowers?? are they actually.... trying to be so stereotypically shoujo..? :heh: ). And I think it showed a distinct transition from Yumi being the one needing Sachiko to Sachiko needing her... or at least that's what I got from it. The dialogue (or what i could understand, anyhow..) was fluffy, but not rediculously so. And during the scene with Sachiko's grandmother, the way that they showed the two pairs of hands clasped over the crucifix was kind of symbolic of a past souer-ship to me. Also, the white roses made me think that Sachiko's grandmother may have been Rosa Gigantea once... but maybe that's going a little too far.. ^^'
All in all, this episode left me with a warm feeling, but i wasn't knocked off my feet and sent swooning (maybe i will be when the subs come out..?). What I wish I'd known for this ep (along with pretty much every other ep), is what might be going on inside the girls' minds. Do the novels give any interesting insights into what Yumi, Sachiko or anyone else might be thinking/going through during this ep?
SleeplessHeart
2004-09-27, 00:06
.....so, where do we get the raws when l33t is down? T_T
I hate this sunday, first Madlax get licensed and now l33t goes down...
lord wu's site
I tried my best to understand this episode (my japanese isn't good at all), and here's some thoughts.
First of all, I really like Yumi's change. She seemed more confident and taking up more responsibility, and was more foreward in a way.
In my mind, Touko's image (from her first appearance in EP 7 up till now) changed a lot too. I disliked her at first sight, but now... I admit she's a nice and cute character.
Youko sama's appearance is definitely COOL!!
I can tell that she worried a lot for her little sister-Sachiko. (and only Yumi can save Sachiko! )
The ending is superb! Yumi is absolutely blooming~ go go rosa chinesis en bouton!!!
Lastly, even though I am a non-novel reader, I also think that Sachiko-Yumi reunion scene is not emotional enough. It was touching for about 2 min (from 7:51 to 7:53).. and then it just went too fast all of a sudden.
Well, maybe it's because my Japanese is not good enough to fully understand the scene and the content of their coversation.
Overall, I really like this episode, but the ending really does lack some strong emotion. I'm also looking forward to the next season, if there's any. (otherwise, i might just go buy the novels and a really good japanese dictionary..)
IntrepidAKP
2004-09-27, 01:00
Any news on a 3rd season? Just curious. I'm still not past episode 7 anyways. Wish I could understand Japanese.
SleeplessHeart
2004-09-27, 01:51
After watching it several times (nobody is perfect...):
Who said that shoujo animes can't have a happy and satisfying ending? :)
I agree with kj1980 that Ayako-Yumiko meeting is presented emotionally while Yumi and Sachiko's ending is slightly below expectaction, but nevertheless it is quite beautiful. I think the producer has a hard time to compress the whole story into a 25 min show.
While everyone remembers that Yumi and Sachiko are soeurs, some have forgotten that Sachiko and Youko are soeurs too. It seems that Youko's visit did not manage to encourage Sachiko to go on with her life. Does it mean that their relationship is much weaker than Sachiko-Yumi relationship?
Orm_Irian
2004-09-27, 04:39
After watching it several times (nobody is perfect...):
While everyone remembers that Yumi and Sachiko are soeurs, some have forgotten that Sachiko and Youko are soeurs too. It seems that Youko's visit did not manage to encourage Sachiko to go on with her life. Does it mean that their relationship is much weaker than Sachiko-Yumi relationship?
The relationship between two soeurs is not exactly meant to be romantic. The soeur ideal is probably close to the purified Classic Greek ideal of elder-youth interaction.
(begin longish historical rant....)
The elder offers counsel, training, protection and shares experience, while the youth follows his/her example and offers help, relief. Bodily and sexual gratification, in contrast to the common perception, was NOT required. (In fact, in Plato's books, it seems that celibacy and moderation in the expression of sexual desire was praised).
The elder/youth relationship was not restricted to males only. In the archaic period , especially in Sparta and the Aegean Islands (which kept intact many matriarchic traditions) women were expected to follow this pattern of relationships. Do I have to refer to Sappho, here? In fact, if we take into context some ancient historians and poets, she was rather the rule than the exception ;)
(...end longish historical rant)
In fact, from my watching of the anime, it seems that the relationship between Youko and Sachiko is the pure soeur relationship as it was proper and intended to be: The elder sister acts as a mentor, adviser and confidante while the younger supports and helps her (and offers ego boost in the form of admiration ;) ). I take it that their becoming soeurs was a thing well thought, well-discussed and even calculated, unburdened by excessive emotion. (I may be extremely wrong here, I haven't read "Answer") Youko and Sachiko may have liked each other as friends but I seriously doubt they were attracted to each other or were emotionally close, at least mutally.
(I think that Youko might have such a HUGE crush on Sei that it renders her incapable of falling for any other, but that's only speculation... :innocent: )
Enter Yumi. Youko has proven, time and again, that she is an excellent judge of people and she immediately sees that Yumi has the major hots for Sachiko. She also notices that Sachiko is also attracted to Yumi big time. It also seems that Yumi can reach Sachiko emotionally in a way Youko cannot do. It's a different sort of relationship, more romantic than classic - if you get what I mean.
Youko makes a mental note and steps aside to let this relationship grow. It would be good for her little sister to open up emotionally, and the easy going, well-meaning, sensitive Yumi seems perfect for the part. Youko graduates, certain that her petite soeur will have someone to support her.
This doesn't mean that Youko doesn't care for Sachiko. She cares an awful lot, but she knows her limitations and knows what support she can or cannot offer. So, when she learns that Yumi and Sachiko have drifted apart, she does the best she can do - brings Yumi back.
Sachiko has suffered a loss and is vulnerable. No logic or counsel could help (the things Youko was capable of). Sachiko needed some affection and someone that could reach her heart, and Yumi was the one that could offer these (not Touko, which is probably impacted too by said grandmother's death and doesn't seem to be the sensitive, supportive type).
Too long, sorry...
Alright, first all hail a good run. The second season was truly no lesser than the first, and Marimite once again proves that shoujo stories don't have to include a mountain of fanservice to attract an audience.
Now on with the thoughts...
Firstly, I do think this last episode was one of the better ones, almost on par with my favorite episode being six (Shimako and Sei). The new potrait of Yumi seemed logical enough considering what she just went through. I have to admit that it was awfully nice to see Yumi for once operating without constantly being on the edge of what Sachiko thinks of her, this arc was if anything, important as an character development chapter for the both of them.
Still, I hope we will get the old Yumi back now and then, she was after all the most humourous factor of this show ^^
I'm not sure how refined the emotional atmospheres was in the novel, it may have been more since they tell a awful lot in only 23 minutes. But really, I loved it, there was extremely little to complain about and especially their reunion was well-potraited to the extreme.
One thing however, Sachiko's confession scene. I had to laught out loud. It is kinda funny that while this show has been anyting but stereotypical this far, the animators just had to blew the last part through an rose explosion (well, kinda, but it was corny). Anything but that would have been fine, but just..sorry XD.
Favorite? How Sachiko confessed, nothing extremely refined or romantic, it was like if she just blubbered it out. And giving those circumstances, it was perfect.
Kinda sad thou, that just when Yumi's and Sachiko's relation developed, second season had to end -_-. Would ave been fun to see what they make out of it.
Well, managed to catch the episode 13 raw. Not that I managed to understand it since Japanese is alien to me. :heh:
So Youko made her appearance and we learned that Suguru is a maniac driver - heh, not surprising, considering what we have seen of him. He is reduced to becoming Yumi's work slave later on in the novels eh? :heh:
I suppose Yumi's meeting with Sachiko should satisfy the cravings of the yuri fans - at least it hinted enough at it. The ending part where they had the blooming roses around them seemed kinda ... well, corny. :heh:
I don't know about the romantic side of Yumi's relationship with Sachiko. It is pretty much ambigious and not as clear cut as say, Sei's aborted relationship with Shiori. Sachiko is pretty much reserved and her emotions rarely leak through even with her peers (but they do occasionally) while Yumi always wears hers on her sleeve.
Yumi is the perfect foil to allow Sachiko to express her feelings and recover from her current emotional hurt from losing her grandmother.
Youko would have sufficed, if Sachiko could open up to her. I suspect that Sachiko's respect and reverence for her onee-sama doesn not allow her to do that. But Youko understands Sachiko enough that Yumi will unconditionally do that for Sachiko. Really, Sachiko is fortunate to have met someone like Yumi.
Anyway, are there plans for a third season? (really, I would want to see Yumi continue turning the tables on Touko and becomnig all Sei-like with her :heh: ) There should be enough material for one, if it is just another 13 episodes for it. Judging from what the novel readers have said, there's Kanako and at least enough story for one more.
Now onto another "yet another viewer who hardly understand japanese" post...
well although i barely managed to understand half of what was happening, I have to say that I pretty much liked this episode. From how the show the rest of the Yamayurikai relationship with Yumi (they are so worried about her that they thresspass the "dont mess with me unless I ask it" rule), the showdown with Touko (bleh I actually liked her portrayal as an evil troublemaker... aw well I think it's nice to know she's humans as well :D) and the Yumiko and Sachiko's grandmother story. Also, for some strange reason my Japanese understanding abilities magically jumped during the Yumi - Sachiko conversation and I was able to understand most of it :) ... however, like other people have commented, I think as well that it was a little rushed, but nevertheless it was rather hearth touching, albeit sthereotypical with the roses portrayal and such.
I also want to fimly believe that the last scene showed the declaration of a profound friendship relationship and nothing else... :D
And now onto another question... after the 1st season was there another sign of a 2nd season being in the works apart from ALI PROJECT's blog?
SleeplessHeart
2004-09-27, 10:54
My sympathy to all marimite fans.
It is very rare to find a serious shoujo anime, let alone a good one.
Marimite is unique and always has a place in my heart.
Meanwhile, let's go on. The fall season is full of interesting titles.
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http://premium.uploadit.org/SleeplessHeart/Ending_Haru_small.jpg
(couldn't resist to capture this)
lord wu's site
Is Lord wu's site open to all? if yes whats the address? thx
SailorMoon4ever
2004-09-27, 13:54
I get all my raws off winny japanese p2p it's pretty fast download.
PS: SleeplessHeart I did the same thing with that pic but added it as a wallpaper :)
paranoia's wish
2004-09-28, 13:32
I heard that theres a petition somewhere in the net with the propose on licensing Marimite to some new MTV channel :twitch: . What do you think of this?
ColeMasta
2004-09-29, 08:40
i wonder if it's that new gay-tv channel i hear they're releasing around february. that'd be pretty cool though, seeing maria-sama on tv here... but thinking about the dubbed voices they'll give to our girls makes me get chills... @_@
Are there any real official announcementes or they are just wishes and rumours?
paranoia's wish
2004-09-29, 10:23
i wonder if it's that new gay-tv channel i hear they're releasing around february. that'd be pretty cool though, seeing maria-sama on tv here... but thinking about the dubbed voices they'll give to our girls makes me get chills... @_@
yah that's the channel. i don't think it's cool because they probably won't show it here and also because everybody will make fun of it and diss it because it's on gay channel :sad: .
Italicus
2004-09-29, 14:59
yah that's the channel. i don't think it's cool because they probably won't show it here and also because everybody will make fun of it and diss it because it's on gay channel :sad: .
:hmm: 'R u sure 'bout that?
I checked on AoD and it turned out to be still unlicensed.... :confused:
paranoia's wish
2004-09-29, 17:21
the petition is real but that doesn't means it gets licensed, right?
Italicus
2004-09-30, 00:38
the petition is real but that doesn't means it gets licensed, right?
Let's all cross our fingers and hope it fails, then.... :)
Wow.... just wow. That's all I have to say that's not already been said by most of the non-novel watchers here.
And I agree with the explosion of roses at the very end. What were the animator's thinking? That sure was cheesy.
Bring on the next season!!! (I hope :D )
Kaoru Chujo
2004-10-01, 23:43
I loved the episode, and the ending. I thought the Yumi-Sachiko reunion went too fast, as others have said. But I actually liked the torrent of roses. "Willing suspension of disbelief." I just relaxed and enjoyed it for its intent. So overblown that it went beyond cheesy to effective, for me.
Takemi_Ikazuchi
2004-10-02, 21:38
Don'f forget when they start the sexy saxophone music
XD
Hum, yeah ^^; my eyebrowns raised by themselves when the roses and the music appeared, I was surprised, hem ^-^;
ColeMasta
2004-10-07, 23:43
ok, i'm going to commit another party foul :nono: , but here goes anyway:
someone on page 1 of this thread asked what the web address for lord wu's website was because l33t is down, but the web address was never actually put up. forgive me again if i have sinned :bow: , but hey, i just wanna see how it ends. i got up to 12 spring! :D
anyway, thanks, and sorry if i oughtta be.
Sweets Yumi
2004-10-16, 12:06
What a big let down this season has been.
I'm not even going to watch the rest of the season. I'll just stop with episode 5 (no point me ever watching evil episode 6 -which is also the last episode I've seen of this season- again)
I HATE Sachiko! She couldn't be more full of herself is she tried. She's also such a user! I can't wait til she graduates and Yumi will be free of this USELESS/ABUSIVE relationship.
This season was soooooooooooooo tacky. :upset: :upset: :upset: :upset:
?????????
Are you kidding me? Episode 13 was one of the best this far in the whole shebang if you like Sachiko and Yumi, next to episode 6 of course, which will forever be my favorite for featuring Sei and Shimako.
I cant help but agreeing with Shingan. I found Chapter 6 to be one of the best of the WHOLE series, with the story being portrayed in quite an effective way.
And I can't understand why you don't like the series because a character caused a bad impression on you. When a character causes an impression on me, even if its bad one, I can call the series good. It's when you are left with nothing at all that you can call it a bad anime :)
Sweets Yumi
2004-10-16, 21:49
Bad impressions don't work for me.
I hate cruel/selfish people. Sachiko is the main character under Yumi, so having her suck as much as she does, ruins the whole series for me. She's like all the worst qualities people can have all rolled into one person.
I haven't watched past episode 6, like I said. But reading about the lame umbrella arc makes me not even care to watch. -Ugh- And it's funny cause I've never liked Sachiko, but somehow I like her less and less, every episode I read. I can even say she's my most hated character in all of anime. >__>
I miss last season, those Valentine episodes were great to me. :(
But I still consider myself a fan, cause Season One will always be dear to me and kept in my possession. ;)
Well if you consider yourself a fan then give the series a chance to the very end... then you could rightfully say you didnt like it instead of relying on hunches ^^ ...
Personally, although ive found the story in s2 to be slightly more rushed, i cant find any significant differences in the episode quality... the only differences is that we get to know the characters in a deeper way. In fact that is something I like about this series; the cast do not remain flat, as the stories advances we learn more about them, about their strenghts, about their weeknesses.... with that you can start liking or disliking different characters.... but IMO that is what makes an anime good. That the characters behave like actual humans :) (That's the main reason this series made it to the #2 in my ranking ^.^)
And well.. on a side note I cant see how you enclose such negative views on Sachiko... sure she is quite short sighted but she cares for the one she loves in her own (maybe twisted from your POV :p) way. Would you actually like this series if everyone was a goodie doodie and nothing ever happened ^^
...or better yet, read the novel (assumption you cannot read Japanese taken into consideration).
Indeed, it is very interesting to hear your despise towards Sachiko. From what most of novel readers get is that Sachiko and Yumi have this strong rapport and symbiotic relationship that we adorn.
Well... usually for reading things like Marimite you need a JLPT 2 level... which is a grade that is usually possesed by foreign Japanese teachers ^^ ... so i guess many of us are a little far from that possibility (at least yet...)
BTW I remember you Sweet Yumi giving a page with some novel translations... i forgot to backup my bookmarks in the last format so could you give it away again :)
Proto hit it pretty well.
The reason to why I specifically like Sachiko and Yumi's, like Sei and Shimako's relationship so much is how the serie has really taken the time to show and explain all the undergoing reasons and emotions that are the causes.
While Sachiko and Yumi sure hit it well in the first arc, I still got the feeling of that neither was entirely comfortable with what there was between them. It's very much alike when you had your first crush way back in middle school or junior high; when there was this person you just really really liked, but neither of you were entirely sure of how to show and act on it, afraid that you may make a wrong move and ruin it.
If you compare Sei and Shimako with our both protagonists, it becomes more evident. While our white rose family's bound certainly don't go as deep and personal as the red roses, both Sei and Shimako knows exactly where they have each other and what to expect from the other. While their relationship is not as depending, they are both entirely comfortable with what they have and have no reason to tip-toe around each other carefully.
Yumi and Sachiko however, as strong and superior as Sachiko is, the both of them are *heavily* dependent on each other. In fact, I actully wonder if Sachiko's dependance on Yumi isn't greater than the reverse. When you have such a precious bound you want to protect, you tend to be very careful with it which the two of them really seemed to be in the first season. The both of them were glad to be together, but as the same time, haven't reached the same deep level of understanding and respect as Sei and Shimako. The second season with the rainy blue arc, strenghtened this aspect something tremendously. While on the contrary to how many people may wish that relationships are, people often are egoistic in a relation. They are this because it is permitted.
I'm sorry if I'm crushing someone's happy love dream now but a relationship is not something a couple naturally have together, how much they may love each other. It is something two separate people are willing to sacrifice and struggle for to build.
And with the second season, the author of Marimite really proved that she excels in understanding and not to mention, potraiting this important fact for the audience. I'm glad that Yumi and Sachiko had their little angsty period, because honestly, that was what they needed.
And oi, in that case, Sei definelty leads the league of worst-character-image. Her little burst-out towards Shimako in the meeting room kinda settled that score :D. Still, you gotta love those two.
mintyfresh
2004-10-17, 15:53
I must agree with what's been said -- many climactic things will occur during the Rainy Blue arc, and I think it's best that you stick with the series the entire way through. You may jut leave this season with a completely new perspective of Sachiko and Yumi's relationship (and of the two characters individually). Goodness knows I did. ^^
Oh, and as for the site with the (in progress) Marimite novel translations, I believe the address was http://www.saicoink.com/marimite/
ok, i'm going to commit another party foul :nono: , but here goes anyway:
someone on page 1 of this thread asked what the web address for lord wu's website was because l33t is down, but the web address was never actually put up. forgive me again if i have sinned :bow: , but hey, i just wanna see how it ends. i got up to 12 spring! :D
anyway, thanks, and sorry if i oughtta be.
I think the only way of getting epp 13 is to use 'Winny' or live in Japan. I did try to use Winny but unsuccessfully (damn my noobness). Anyways we'll just have to wait for Ayu to sub it. I'll appreciate the wait anyway because I hate it when a series ends. :sad:
Nah, by now about 3-4 chinese subs must be out, in that case you can get them from emule... :)
Nah, by now about 3-4 chinese subs must be out, in that case you can get them from emule... :)
Thx for the tip about to watch epp 13 now :)
Sweets Yumi
2004-10-18, 18:37
To me, Sachiko doesn't even care about Yumi. She just uses her.
She used her to get out of the play, is where it started. Then she brings Yumi to tears when during valentines, because Yumi had (seemed to be) avoiding her, then does the same thing herself this season!!!
And Yumi tried to confront her, and Sachiko said "Don't make me angry" or something like that, and (in a way) kicks Yumi into the gutter.
Then she doesn't eat so Yumi will come NOW. Now is when you come Yumi, you come when I say. I'm the master of this relationship, don't try to step over the line! (That's how she seems to me) She could have easily asked Yumi for help way before, and if she's too proud to ask for help, Yumi HAD come to her, but Sachiko blew her off.
She just seems to me plain uncaring. How has she become such a classic character?
Well if you consider yourself a fan then give the series a chance to the very end... then you could rightfully say you didnt like it instead of relying on hunches ^^ ...
I'd like to watch it, but I can't handle bad people very well. (At least people who I see as bad) Like that whole Sei+Erika+Yuko episode, that made my stop watching for a time (and I decided to just read happenings to avoid those scenes anymore)
It's funny cause I LOVE Oniisama e... and who could have been abused more than Rei? But I loved her character so much, I seemed to be able to look past it. And enjoy the show. That may be why... I don't Love anyone from Marimite, just like some more than others. I especially like Tsutako and Minako! I wish there was more of them. ^__^ But I do like the whole soroity setting and sisters and all that. And nothing kooky ever happens at Lillian. Aliens don't show up or anything weird. It is just like a true to life tale. And I know (seemingly) bad people exist in life, so they have to be there (just like at Seiran) but for some reason, i just don't want them there! Not at Lillian. I want Lillian to be basically happy.
Maybe that's why I am so let down....
Would you actually like this series if everyone was a goodie doodie and nothing ever happened ^^
For me it would! ^__^ *hee* Maybe it's my age, but I love a happy cheery tale of kindness and sweetness and fun. ^__^
...or better yet, read the novel (assumption you cannot read Japanese taken into consideration).
No, I can't read or speak Japanese, which is sad when you learn that I own all the novels >__> My father has bought me the novels, mangas and Drama CDs. He's even got me a little green book that tells kanji and a Pimplser Japanese language course, but I'm too lazy to look into it. (I'm so wasteful -_-)
Yumi and Sachiko however, as strong and superior as Sachiko is, the both of them are *heavily* dependent on each other.
*hee* And I don't see Sachiko dependant at all. It's funny how people can see the same event and go away with 1,000 different ideas of what they just saw. ^_~
Then you should see up to chapter 13 if what you want to see is
mild spoiler
Shachiko crawling towards Yumi :p (it's just a metaphore ^^)
But seriously speaking, maybe your opinion of Sachiko will just hit bottom rock, but you will grow more fond of Yumy :)
Not-so mild spoiler I think crawling is overdoing it a bit, but yeah ^^ Sachiko thought that Yumi standing there was a dream so she reached for her and upon realizing that she was physical embraces her.
My favorite line in that part gotta be when Yumi calls her Oneesama and Sachiko replies: "You still want to call me that don't you?" meaning more or less that she's glad that Yumi still considers her her grand souer, despite what they have gone through.
But then, rose-xplosion just had to ruin it after Sachiko finally got the words out...-_- go animators.
And yeah, my image of Sachiko really dropped during the last couple of episodes, just to make a climb back at the end. The most important aspect of this arc was for Yumi to develope some spine really, Sachiko's incompetence to handle their relation there more or less *finally* left Yumi on her own to develope a few personal thoughts aside from her Oneesama. And for chrissake, that was what she absolutely needed, you may love her sweet self or not , but she is the one who in lesser than one year is to be Rosa Chinesis. A job where some indenpendence is needed.
And honestly, if you don't call Sachiko dependant, then what is she? Cuddle-grubby? :uhoh:
LucifersGirl
2004-11-28, 12:12
I wonder if it a little late to add to this, but I'm new to the board and just stumple on this and have something to add..
Originally Posted by SleeplessHeart
After watching it several times (nobody is perfect...):
for One annoying story's logic that keep poking me:
While everyone remembers that Yumi and Sachiko are soeurs, some have forgotten that Sachiko and Youko are soeurs too. It seems that Youko's visit did not manage to encourage Sachiko to go on with her life. Does it mean that their relationship is much weaker than Sachiko-Yumi relationship?
The relationship between two soeurs is not exactly meant to be romantic. The soeur ideal is probably close to the purified Classic Greek ideal of elder-youth interaction.
(begin longish historical rant....)
The elder offers counsel, training, protection and shares experience, while the youth follows his/her example and offers help, relief. Bodily and sexual gratification, in contrast to the common perception, was NOT required. (In fact, in Plato's books, it seems that celibacy and moderation in the expression of sexual desire was praised).
The elder/youth relationship was not restricted to males only. In the archaic period , especially in Sparta and the Aegean Islands (which kept intact many matriarchic traditions) women were expected to follow this pattern of relationships. Do I have to refer to Sappho, here? In fact, if we take into context some ancient historians and poets, she was rather the rule than the exception ;)
(...end longish historical rant)
In fact, from my watching of the anime, it seems that the relationship between Youko and Sachiko is the pure soeur relationship as it was proper and intended to be: The elder sister acts as a mentor, adviser and confidante while the younger supports and helps her (and offers ego boost in the form of admiration ;) ). I take it that their becoming soeurs was a thing well thought, well-discussed and even calculated, unburdened by excessive emotion. (I may be extremely wrong here, I haven't read "Answer") Youko and Sachiko may have liked each other as friends but I seriously doubt they were attracted to each other or were emotionally close, at least mutally.
(I think that Youko might have such a HUGE crush on Sei that it renders her incapable of falling for any other, but that's only speculation... :innocent: )
Enter Yumi. Youko has proven, time and again, that she is an excellent judge of people and she immediately sees that Yumi has the major hots for Sachiko. She also notices that Sachiko is also attracted to Yumi big time. It also seems that Yumi can reach Sachiko emotionally in a way Youko cannot do. It's a different sort of relationship, more romantic than classic - if you get what I mean.
Youko makes a mental note and steps aside to let this relationship grow. It would be good for her little sister to open up emotionally, and the easy going, well-meaning, sensitive Yumi seems perfect for the part. Youko graduates, certain that her petite soeur will have someone to support her.
This doesn't mean that Youko doesn't care for Sachiko. She cares an awful lot, but she knows her limitations and knows what support she can or cannot offer. So, when she learns that Yumi and Sachiko have drifted apart, she does the best she can do - brings Yumi back.
Sachiko has suffered a loss and is vulnerable. No logic or counsel could help (the things Youko was capable of). Sachiko needed some affection and someone that could reach her heart, and Yumi was the one that could offer these (not Touko, which is probably impacted too by said grandmother's death and doesn't seem to be the sensitive, supportive type).
Too long, sorry...
I do agree with Orm Irian on different between Youko-Sachiko's and Sachiko-Yumi's relationship, Yumi can reach Sachiko's emotionally the way Youko can't and Youko's role on this issue. Also I think there's more into it.
I think part of the issue is Yumi absense is also hurt Sachiko. I know it seems little comparing to losing her grandma. "However, remember what Sachiko needs from Yumi is for Yumi to be by her side, but she didn't. And Sachiko knowing too well that it's because of HERSELF." Hence, the; Is it a dream/ It's my fault/ You still call me Oniisama?/ Can you forgive me? Sachiko said (Not exact words but close enough). I think she feel guilty at some level for treating Yumi that way. And I think she realize that when she compare herself and Yumi with her grandma and the old Yumi. She probably convinced that they'll also end up like that.
So when Yumi came and they made up it reminded her Sachiko of her grandma and the old Yumi made up (Hence, The conversation btw Sachiko-Yumi and her grandma-old Yumi is pretty much one of the same), and what reminded Sachiko again that her grandma at least pass away peacefully.
PS Please be patient of my English :) .
Zatoichi8820XX
2007-07-25, 21:07
Ok at episode 13 of spring..why is Youko, and Suguru are dress like the Molder and Scully form the X-files?
I can't say I noticed, but now that you mention it...
One thing's for sure, Youko looks hawt in a suit. :p
Zatoichi8820XX
2007-07-25, 22:25
Also I was thing of the men in black when I saw them
dahl_moon
2007-07-25, 22:36
They had attended the funeral of Sachiko's maternal grandmother. That's why they were dressed formally, in black.
I personally have to disagree with Sweets Yumi. I think Sachiko's problems with social and emotional issues stem more from her upbringing and family difficulties then any true reflection of her character. What I love about Sachiko (incidentally, she's probably my favourite character) is the fact that, while her sensitivity and tenderness is often hidden by a stern and bad tempered exterior, there can never be much doubt that she is, in fact, a lonely and even needy young woman. An example of this is in the episode where Mifuyu recounts her childhood with Sachiko in Lillian Kindergarten. She recalls Sachiko as rather recalcitrant and giving off 'air of severity' that keeps people away, and yet when Mifuyu begins a friendship with her, she is visibly much happier and more 'childlike'. This suggests that Sachiko has to be 'reached', but those who do touch her heart do so immeasurably. Sachiko doesn't give out affection with ease, and I think her earlier difficulties in expressing her feelings for Yumi are down to this deep rooted reservation, not a lack of care for Yumi. The bumpy start to their (later) very solid relationship is part of what makes Marimite such an emotionally honest series when compared to many others; the characters aren't perfect and all have their problems, just as we do in real life; neither do they always know what to do and how to act around people they love or care about (a problem for many of us IMO).
I think this episode reflects the maturation in Sachiko and Yumi's relationship; it has proved that they both depend on each other equally and that they are both young and have things to learn (from each other as well). Perhaps Yumi learns that her earlier worship of and possessiveness towards Sachiko was not really beneficial to their relationship and kept them apart; Sachiko has learnt to express her feelings to Yumi 'from the heart' and through affection rather than from afar. After they have admitted they love each other, which clearly both of them were desperate to say to each other through much of the later episodes, they are able to properly express themselves to each other and their relationship loses the tension and reservation that earlier proved problematic. Yumi realises Sachiko is only human after all, while Sachiko realises Yumi cares about Sachiko so much she isn't interested in how Sachiko appears to her; she simply loves her for who she is. Yumi has seen Sachiko distraught and in tears, showing all her vulnerability and insecurity, yet her love for her isn't changed at all (if anything it's strengthened). I think the fact that Yumi is able to 'forgive' her for past mistakes is what moves Sachiko to finally say what she's been aching to say (even if it's still a little reserved.)
Sorry for the ramble o.o
disney72
2007-07-26, 13:58
wow, that was long.. well said too.. hehe..
silverstri
2007-07-27, 08:18
i love all the soundtracks in this haru spring season! well done!!
Copycatken
2009-02-22, 01:26
I know I'm reviving an old thread but I just finished watching season 2 and I'd like to have something clarified. :)
After Sachiko's grandmother passed away, Sachiko's mother says to Yumi that she called over Youko to help Sachiko out. Youko then answered that she couldn't do anything for her and that's why she went to get Yumi.
My question is, did Youko actually try to comfort Sachiko and wasn't able to, thus creating the need to go get Yumi? Or did Youko already know that in this kind of situation, she wouldn't be able to do anything, and knew that only Yumi could cheer up Sachiko?
My question is, did Youko actually try to comfort Sachiko and wasn't able to, thus creating the need to go get Yumi? Or did Youko already know that in this kind of situation, she wouldn't be able to do anything, and knew that only Yumi could cheer up Sachiko?
Probably the latter. Youko understands Sachiko extremely well, so she would be fully aware of what she could and could not contribute.
By the way, when you're reviving an old thread like this, there's no need for spoiler tags. :)
Slick_rick
2009-02-22, 20:47
In the novel it's actually the former. When Youko goes to comfort Sachiko all she gets is screamed at by Sachiko that she's not Yumi and Sachiko saying that "Yumi hates me." Youko even admits to being jealous of Yumi's importance to Sachiko in the book.
In the novel it's actually the former. When Youko goes to comfort Sachiko all she gets is screamed at by Sachiko that she's not Yumi and Sachiko saying that "Yumi hates me." Youko even admits to being jealous of Yumi's importance to Sachiko in the book.
Ah, it's interesting to learn that. I can see why they decided to not depict this in the anime though.
inisipis
2009-02-23, 09:42
I have a question.
In the last Episode of Maria-sama ni wa Naisho, were Yumi zips back after the credits. In one frame or so, there are writings in Yumi's eyes(it goes like a flash) There's no translation provided. I wonder what those writings mean in English.
I have a question.
In the last Episode of Maria-sama ni wa Naisho, were Yumi zips back after the credits. In one frame or so, there are writings in Yumi's eyes(it goes like a flash) There's no translation provided. I wonder what those writings mean in English.
Kabayan, you mean this?
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d135/soulassassin547/marimite/blink0025.jpg
According to what I asked to the habitues of the Garden of Maidens LJ comm (http://community.livejournal.com/gardenofmaidens/201151.html), it means "the end".
*methinks of that "Sada" in Sadako's eye :naughty:*
inisipis
2009-02-23, 11:53
Kabayan, you mean this?
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d135/soulassassin547/marimite/blink0025.jpg
According to what I asked to the habitues of the Garden of Maidens LJ comm (http://community.livejournal.com/gardenofmaidens/201151.html), it means "the end".
*methinks of that "Sada" in Sadako's eye :naughty:*
Thanks.:D
I wish Right Stuf added that to the Liner notes in the DVD
I wonder if it a little late to add to this, but I'm new to the board and just stumple on this and have something to add..
I do agree with Orm Irian on different between Youko-Sachiko's and Sachiko-Yumi's relationship, Yumi can reach Sachiko's emotionally the way Youko can't and Youko's role on this issue. Also I think there's more into it.
I think part of the issue is Yumi absense is also hurt Sachiko. I know it seems little comparing to losing her grandma. "However, remember what Sachiko needs from Yumi is for Yumi to be by her side, but she didn't. And Sachiko knowing too well that it's because of HERSELF." Hence, the; Is it a dream/ It's my fault/ You still call me Oniisama?/ Can you forgive me? Sachiko said (Not exact words but close enough). I think she feel guilty at some level for treating Yumi that way. And I think she realize that when she compare herself and Yumi with her grandma and the old Yumi. She probably convinced that they'll also end up like that.
So when Yumi came and they made up it reminded her Sachiko of her grandma and the old Yumi made up (Hence, The conversation btw Sachiko-Yumi and her grandma-old Yumi is pretty much one of the same), and what reminded Sachiko again that her grandma at least pass away peacefully.
PS Please be patient of my English :) .
ROFLOL @ Major Hots XDD~
Ok at episode 13 of spring..why is Youko, and Suguru are dress like the Molder and Scully form the X-files?
More ROFLOL!! XDD~~~
But yeah Youko IS MAJOR HAWTNESS in that suit.
Copycatken
2009-02-24, 10:53
In the novel it's actually the former. When Youko goes to comfort Sachiko all she gets is screamed at by Sachiko that she's not Yumi and Sachiko saying that "Yumi hates me." Youko even admits to being jealous of Yumi's importance to Sachiko in the book.
Thanks for clearing that up! My gut feeling was that Youko had tried but failed to comfort Sachiko. However, when I started thinking about it, Youko was portrayed as someone who was so cool, collected and perceptive that it was also quite possible that she would instinctively know that only Yumi would be able to cheer up Sachiko.
It would've been nice if the anime had fleshed out this part a bit more like the novel though. It would have shown how Sachiko's sorrow is so great that even her grande soeur is unable to help. It would also have further contrasted how the Youko-Sachiko soeur relationship is different from the Yumi-Sachiko one.
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