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neji-kun
2004-09-26, 21:32
well i was wondering if a hokage could remove the curse seal I know it was put on by a sannin but is it that hard of a seal to remove or at least nullyfy? whats your guys opinion on this?

Yakushi-san
2004-09-26, 21:35
_A_ Hokage? It depends on the person, not the title.

A Hokage is not selected _because_ he is able to do so, I can tell you that.

We don't know if any of them could. I don't think the third could, though, because then he might already have done it on Anko and Sasuke.

As for the other three, I don't know.

Rurik
2004-09-26, 22:02
_A_ Hokage? It depends on the person, not the title.

A Hokage is not selected _because_ he is able to do so, I can tell you that.

We don't know if any of them could. I don't think the third could, though, because then he might already have done it on Anko and Sasuke.

As for the other three, I don't know.


Wel I dont think it can be remove by ani other than Orochimaru....

Why i say this..because of the MAnner in wich Oro inflict the curse seal.....He bites them...as if a snake bites its pray and inject a poison in to the body...and you know that to get the antidote of a Snake bite you need a sample of this poison...well thats just my theory....

a doubt that i have, can Tsunade cure it? she is capable of healing ORo's Cursed arm..so i just wondering...

Captain_Dope
2004-09-26, 22:02
Nope. Anko still has her Curse seal on her neck so Sarutobi could not remove it. I guess only the one who gave it to the person can get rid of it (Orochimaru that is)

Lst2touchdasky
2004-09-26, 23:54
Well tsunade was not around when anko was having problems with the seal; and when she was treating sasuke, she was only told to remove the effects of Itachi's sharigan abilities. We dont know if its possible, but jiyara has already removed one of oro's seals within minutes of seeing it. And as we all know, Tsunade is a miracle medical nin, here knowledge on anatomy and biological ninjutsu's far exceeds Jiyara.

chamelean75
2004-09-27, 00:05
Well tsunade was not around when anko was having problems with the seal; and when she was treating sasuke, she was only told to remove the effects of Itachi's sharigan abilities. We dont know if its possible, but jiyara has already removed one of oro's seals within minutes of seeing it. And as we all know, Tsunade is a miracle medical nin, here knowledge on anatomy and biological ninjutsu's far exceeds Jiyara.


That seal that jiraya removed from naruto's body was a basic seaL I believe. It's much different then when he bites people.

Lst2touchdasky
2004-09-27, 00:20
It could be just me, but imo basic seals wouldnt really stop the affects of a jutsu the genius hokage the Fourth used and lost his life too.

xyrrus
2004-09-27, 01:07
I don't even think oro can remove it. It might be permanent, the best solution for it could just be to seal a cursed seal. For the kind of person oro is, I just don't see him ever needing to remove any of his own seals from anyone. This is of course just what I think.

Yakushi-san
2004-09-27, 01:12
Maybe someone could create a new sealing Jutsu that nullifies all previous seals, or just Orochimaru's seal.

socomberetta
2004-09-27, 01:16
Maybe in the near future, Sasuke will learn how to negate the "corroding of your will" effect of the seal, leaving only the powerup.

As to the question:

Yakushi-san is right. If a Hokage has knowledge on curse seals and the like, he/she would have a better chance at removing the seal as opposed to a Hokage who has no such knowledge.

That being said, Tsunade, who has a medical background and was once a teammate of Oro, stands a good chance of finding a way of removing the seal.

Indignation
2004-09-27, 01:16
I don't even think oro can remove it. It might be permanent, the best solution for it could just be to seal a cursed seal. For the kind of person oro is, I just don't see him ever needing to remove any of his own seals from anyone. This is of course just what I think.

Don't forget that the fourth's death seal (I know it's already been mentioned) used on kyuubi/oro is a death seal by a said genious hokage that sacrificed his own life for a contract with some evil God to make the seal. He also invented that jutsu, for the record. If Tsunade can heal that curse, then I would wager that she would possess the ability to heal Susuke as well.

And also note that both Kakashi and the third were not medical nins, while Tsunade is the medical nin.

Sure oro could likely remove it too...but I think tsunade has a more than good chance of almost, if not completely, eliminating it...

Yakushi-san
2004-09-27, 01:40
Don't forget that the fourth's death seal (I know it's already been mentioned) used on kyuubi/oro is a death seal by a said genious hokage that sacrificed his own life for a contract with some evil God to make the seal. He also invented that jutsu, for the record. If Tsunade can heal that curse, then I would wager that she would possess the ability to heal Susuke as well.

And also note that both Kakashi and the third were not medical nins, while Tsunade is the medical nin.

Sure oro could likely remove it too...but I think tsunade has a more than good chance of almost, if not completely, eliminating it...

Yes, but are seals concidered a medical sub-group? Are seals a part of medical studies? If not, then not even Tsunade should be of any help against Orochimaru's cursed seal.

But then again, if seals are not part of medical studies, then it is a whole different study, with different students, that are adept at placing and removing seals... But I guess we'll find out about that later.

Aquillion
2004-09-27, 01:51
Don't forget that the fourth's death seal (I know it's already been mentioned) used on kyuubi/oro is a death seal by a said genious hokage that sacrificed his own life for a contract with some evil God to make the seal. He also invented that jutsu, for the record. If Tsunade can heal that curse, then I would wager that she would possess the ability to heal Susuke as well.Was that really a seal? I thought it was just a technique that removes one's soul and gives it to the god of death or whatever. "Sealing the soul" is just a poetic way of putting it.

In any case, don't forget that Oro didn't really take its full effect. That might be the only reason Tsunade can heal him (well, it is the only reason, since Tsunade obviously can't heal death.)

Yakushi-san
2004-09-27, 02:07
Was that really a seal? I thought it was just a technique that removes one's soul and gives it to the god of death or whatever. "Sealing the soul" is just a poetic way of putting it

It's a Jutsu that seals the soul of one person (or any other thing that has a soul) in your own body, or anyone else's.

Sandaime (3rd) Hokage sealed the souls of Orochimaru's arms into his own body, and died, thus sealing them completely in.

Since Orochimaru's hands' souls are gone, I doubt he will ever be able to replace them. Not even with a brand new body.

Maybe if he takes Sasuke's body, and copies Tsunade's healing Jutsu though...

ShadowClone
2004-09-27, 06:57
I would guess that since Oro is a jutsu-freak, his "Curse Seal" is probably uniquely his own, and he did not want to share it with anyone else. So I would say that only HE can remove it if he wishes to.

Compare that to the one the Fourth used to seal Kyubi. He shared the knowledge of that seal, which is why the 3rd was able to use it against Orochimaru. I have yet to hear of ANY seal in the Naruto universe that CAN'T be unsealed/removed, since there have always been "counter-seals" and/or removal conditions for all seals thus far, i.e.

Oro's Five-Part Seal on Naruto = Jiraiya's Five-Part Unseal
Hyuga Branch Family Curse Seal = Removed when the member dies
Naruto's Kyubi Seal = has a jutsu for unsealing in the Book of Forbidden Jutsus (mentioned in Episode 1)

Shay
2004-09-27, 08:11
I reckon I could remove it.

Lst2touchdasky
2004-09-27, 10:46
Naruto's Kyubi Seal = has a jutsu for unsealing in the Book of Forbidden Jutsus (mentioned in Episode 1)
I think you just read the text wrong- for if the scroll had info about unsealing the 4th's seal and simple school teachers knew about it: then oro would also posess this knowledge and removed his arms from the 3rd's corpse

uchiha masahiro
2004-09-27, 11:38
i am not sure but was it mentioned like jiraiya has a lot of knowledge about seals?

he even sealed black flame of itachi and unsealed oro-kun's 5 elemental seal?

raijin
2004-09-27, 19:40
That seal that jiraya removed from naruto's body was a basic seaL I believe. It's much different then when he bites people.
Actually, Orochimaru's Gogyou Fuuin (Five Element Seal) is classified as an A-rank jutsu. Orochimaru stated that only a Sannin or the 3rd Hokage could have possibly removed it.

A-rank: Forbidden Technique - Super High Class Ninjutsu Level

Orochimaru's Juin Jutsu (Curse Seal Technique) is also catergorized as an A-rank skill. But, it would appear that Orochimaru is the only one who is capable of removing it.

ShadowClone
2004-09-28, 07:29
I think you just read the text wrong- for if the scroll had info about unsealing the 4th's seal and simple school teachers knew about it: then oro would also posess this knowledge and removed his arms from the 3rd's corpse

But the Third was deeply concerned when he learned that Naruto store the Forbidden Scroll...I distinctly remember him saying that Naruto's seal COULD be released from the infromation in the scroll. It may not be an "explicit" technique, i.e.. "how to remove a death-god/kyubi seal", etc. but could LEAD to a technique that does just that.

So my argument still stands...there is no seal in the Naruto universe that cannot be removed and/or unsealed.

Aquillion
2004-09-28, 15:02
But the Third was deeply concerned when he learned that Naruto store the Forbidden Scroll...I distinctly remember him saying that Naruto's seal COULD be released from the infromation in the scroll. It may not be an "explicit" technique, i.e.. "how to remove a death-god/kyubi seal", etc. but could LEAD to a technique that does just that.

So my argument still stands...there is no seal in the Naruto universe that cannot be removed and/or unsealed.I'm still not buying the idea that Oro's arms could be restored with just an unsealing. I mean, look at them--they are dead. Hunks of meat, nothing left in them, dead. The 3rd ripped his arm-souls out and sealed them in hell. Even if Oro could break that seal (probably difficult with no arms), there's no reason to think his arms would spring back to life; he probably needs serious medical attention for that.

Yes, the Kyubi could be released by an unsealing; but the Kyubi is a spirit, so releasing its seal is all you'd have to do. To restore Oro's arms, you'd probably have to unseal them, then somehow attach the spirit back to his body or something.

Hideki Keiji
2004-09-28, 18:52
I'm still not buying the idea that Oro's arms could be restored with just an unsealing. I mean, look at them--they are dead. Hunks of meat, nothing left in them, dead. The 3rd ripped his arm-souls out and sealed them in hell. Even if Oro could break that seal (probably difficult with no arms), there's no reason to think his arms would spring back to life; he probably needs serious medical attention for that.

Yes, the Kyubi could be released by an unsealing; but the Kyubi is a spirit, so releasing its seal is all you'd have to do. To restore Oro's arms, you'd probably have to unseal them, then somehow attach the spirit back to his body or something.
To restore Oro's arms, just have Tsunade heal them. Oro says she can do it, Kabuto says she can do it, even she says she can do it...

But I don't think that's what you're talking about, is it? If it were possible to unseal the sealing of Orochimaru's arms, then I'm pretty sure his arms would be fine.

Small correction, Kyuubi is a demon. If it was unsealed, it's demonic properties would probably result in it regaining it's body. Oro's arms are still there, so if the souls for those arms were unsealed, they would probably just return to him.

Still I don't see how...
Orochimaru's arms were healed simply by switching bodies. Of course there is the possibility that he simply kept the arms of his new body.

Zek
2004-09-28, 19:47
I don't think Tsunade is necessarily skilled in seals just because she's a medical ninja. Sealing/Unsealing just doesn't seem like a medical art to me. Also, Jiraiya seems to be very skilled in seals; he carries high level sealing scrolls with him, like the one he used to seal the Amaterasu flame. I doubt that either of them can remove it because it isn't any ordinary seal, and Orochimaru surely hasn't told anyone how it works.

F!reStr!fe
2004-09-28, 22:09
Oro's arms will never be recovered from the seal of the third first of all because whatever is sealed within the seal is binded to the soul of the person with the seal. If i dont recall the person who uses the technique and the person whos soul is being sealed is entangled in a never ending conflict if i heard so correctly and the thirds soul was consumed by the death god so no way possible. thats why Kyubbi also keeps Naruto alive :)

motoharu016
2008-05-05, 01:08
the key to the cure for the cursed seal may not be tsunade but her apprentice sakura.. you see, it takes more than just reason and research to find a cure for somethin, it also needs passion.. and we all know that sakura is the only one determined enough to save sasuke from the cursed seal.. the key may also lie in one of sasukes subordinates, juugo.. from what i know, it was said that the cursed seal originated from him.. if sakura would be able to get some sample of juugo genetic composition, she might find a way to cure it (what's her 2 1/2 years of training under tsunade for right).. she's a strong and determined woman whose future is to surpass her master in the field of medical ninjutsu.. so there..

Aimingan12
2008-05-27, 23:24
I suppose Orochimaru can remove the curse marks he gives and the others I think can just cover it up like Kakashi did to Sasuke.

HiroInazuma
2008-05-27, 23:48
No but an Itachi can

neji-kun
2008-09-26, 19:55
No but an Itachi can

Lol, Seems like I started this thread a thousand years ago, Only took 300 chapters to get the answer.