[Manga] 233 - Naruto Sasuke Question [Spoilers]

[LipidSama]

Do you guys think Naruto and Sasuke have passed kakashi? I think they have, Naruto and Kyuubi have formed a bond, and sasuke has gotten his third dot of the sharingan, and has mastered his curse seal, he is a true sussesor of the sharingan unlike kakashi, and he might have gotten the mag. sharingan, we gotta wait and see tho.

[bricefabber]

Nah, I don't think so. If you think about the fact that the sound 4 struggled to take out 2 exhausted Jounin that were out of chakra, you can conclude that Kakashi still has a comfortable lead on Sasuke and Naruto in terms of strength. Even if Sasuke and Naruto are stronger than the sound 4, Kakashi is stronger than the Jounin who fought the sound (don't remember their names).

[FireBorn]

I think fighting their hardest they have surpassed Kakashi, but normally, no. And they probably wouldn't be fight him, anyways.

[Nubixkube]

I'd say that along the lines of pure power, yes. But Kakashi is still more skilled and has a vast amount of techniques at his disposal, so I'd say no over all Kakashi is still stronger due to his experience and training.

[LipidSama]

I disagree, I think Naruto and Sasuke when fighting, and loosing control of their powers, surpassed Kakashi without even realizing it. I bet a Kyuubified Naruto would mop the floor with kakashi, and the Sasuke with the 3 Star Sharingan would lay him out as well.

Only thing is, Kakashi cant handle the sharingan for long, and we dont know how much he can use out of it. He can copy jutsus but we dont know about the other attributes, so its hard to compare. In a fight tho, I think Sasuke could beat Kakashi now. He may have more Exsperience but Sasuke has more raw Chakra now.

[Animizzle]

I disagree, I think Naruto and Sasuke when fighting, and loosing control of their powers, surpassed Kakashi without even realizing it. I bet a Kyuubified Naruto would mop the floor with kakashi, and the Sasuke with the 3 Star Sharingan would lay him out as well.

Only thing is, Kakashi cant handle the sharingan for long, and we dont know how much he can use out of it. He can copy jutsus but we dont know about the other attributes, so its hard to compare. In a fight tho, I think Sasuke could beat Kakashi now. He may have more Exsperience but Sasuke has more raw Chakra now.

You seem to forget that Kakashi's sharingan Is the same as Sasuke and he has a lot more expierence using it. Furthermore, Sasuke wasn't particulairy fast against Naruto. So what does Sasuke really have against him? A chidori wich he can't hit? You anme it and Kakashi is better at it then Sasuke or Naruto for that matter, Annoying thing about naruto is healing capability but that's about it.
Trust me, Kakashi would be doing the mopping.

That's the shitty thing about this arc, the balance has been distrubed and people begin to wonder how strong so and so is vs. Sasuke and Naruto.
Next time people will think they can fight on par with a Sannin.

[Yogi]

While Sasuke's Evil Chidori does look like bigger than Kakashi's Chidori, it's not the size of the Chidori that counts, but how you use it. Ditto for Naruto.

[Prince of Chronics]

Those two guys just fought really hard in that match... with all their emotions and stuff... they were able to go beyond the limits of their normal abilities and it seemed that they've become super strong... I do not think that either Sasuke or Naruto have surpassed Kakashi... afterall, Kakashi knows like over a thousand techniques or something... and let me add... that even with that new power Sasuke has... I'm pretty sure... his brother would still wipe the floor with him...

[Genei Killua]

You seem to forget that Kakashi's sharingan Is the same as Sasuke and he has a lot more expierence using it. Furthermore, Sasuke wasn't particulairy fast against Naruto.

Hmm, I'm thinking that Sasuke's eyes are better than Kakashi's. After all, not only is Sasuke's blood obviously thick with the talent of the Uchiha (he's able to attain the Mangekyou) he has the complete sharingan, not just one eye. His blood, his talent, and his completeness should be greater than Kakashi, who is not of the blood, and has but one eye.

Of course, I'd be willing to believe that Kakashi would be better at sharingan-induced genjutsu at this point (that is unless Sasuke attained the mangekyou as a result of this latest chapter) but that genjutsu would have no effect against Sasuke.

Hmm, I also believe Naruto was going at speeds greater than that of Kakashi. Perhaps greater than Gai's speed-- and Sasuke was able to dodge it. The reason I can make the comparison is because it seemed Naruto's speed was about 5 times greater than Sasuke's, who has the same speed as Lee without the weights. Now, I don't believe Gai could have much more than 5 times Lee's speed.

I do agree, though, that Kakashi would take down Sasuke or Naruto individually with very little chance of being defeated. Mopping them, though-- I'm not so sure I agree with that. I think he'd have a hard time of hitting Sasuke, and I doubt he can summon something equivalent to what Naruto can. However, Kakashi is a -much- better ninja, and would be able to take them down through many a mean.

[Zek]

Naruto and Sasuke both have raw power, maybe more than Kakashi, but Kakashi has them both beat in skill and experience. There's no way that either of them are stronger than him. They just aren't able to control the power they have well enough to beat someone as experienced as Kakashi. Just because he doesn't have a superweapon like Kyuubi or CL2 doesn't mean he's weaker than them.

[Animizzle]

Hmm, I'm thinking that Sasuke's eyes are better than Kakashi's. After all, not only is Sasuke's blood obviously thick with the talent of the Uchiha (he's able to attain the Mangekyou) he has the complete sharingan, not just one eye. His blood, his talent, and his completeness should be greater than Kakashi, who is not of the blood, and has but one eye.

Oh no, i'd never disagree on you with that. it's just that, what i meant by Kakashi being more experienced with Sharingan is, Sasuke as we read in chapter 231, is all new to the full sharingan. He was amazed at it's possibilites wich leads me to believe that kakashi could make more use of the potential of the Sharingan at this point.

Hmm, I also believe Naruto was going at speeds greater than that of Kakashi. Perhaps greater than Gai's speed-- and Sasuke was able to dodge it. The reason I can make the comparison is because it seemed Naruto's speed was about 5 times greater than Sasuke's, who has the same speed as Lee without the weights. Now, I don't believe Gai could have much more than 5 times Lee's speed.

Certainly, but Kakashi has 1 full sharingan wich enables him to see naruto's speed as well. And we were talking about Kakashi vs. his Pupils.

I do agree, though, that Kakashi would take down Sasuke or Naruto individually with very little chance of being defeated. Mopping them, though-- I'm not so sure I agree with that. I think he'd have a hard time of hitting Sasuke, and I doubt he can summon something equivalent to what Naruto can. However, Kakashi is a -much- better ninja, and would be able to take them down through many a mean.

The "mopping" part is indeed debatable and dependant on how much Kakashi knows about their "new" powers.. wich is very little at this point.

[CaSe-]

This is a pretty stupid arguement. Kakashi is an Elite Jounin One of the strongest ninja's in Konoha. Naruto and Sasuke are genin. Regardless of their current powers, they do not have the technique, skill, experience to even come close to Kakashi. Maybe in 10 years time.

[ace firefist]

I think fighting their hardest they have surpassed Kakashi, but normally, no. And they probably wouldn't be fight him, anyways.
I cant beleieve i'm hearing this.

first when the sound 4 saw kakashi they shit their pants.
Kakashi is an elite jounin.
naruto and sasuke are only at the chunin level,even when they power up.
Kimimaru would still kick sasuke's ass,if he was alive and well.

[LipidSama]

Jounnin, Chuunin, Genin, who cares.

Ep "Naruto_016_The_Released_Seal!" Zabuza even states "What is this terrible chakra.....Kakashi?!?, no it cant be, its to powerful to be his."

As soon as Kyuubi took over Naruto body to fight Sasuke I think he passed Kakashi. The same with Sasuke once he got his third star of the sharingan. Kakashi has more exspierence Im not debating that, but in term of raw talent and power, Sasuke and Naruto beat him. and this 10 years till they catch up to him crap is bullshit. Sasuke cought up to Lee's speed in 1 month of training, it took Lee years to learn it. Naruto himself is growing at speeds that is putting everying in awe. He got the strength in one month with Jiarya to beat Neji.

Kakashi can only use his sharingan for a short while before it impares him, Sasuke can use it as long as he wants. Naruto has a next to unlimited supply of chakra, his whole body is covered in it. Sasuke fire attack didnt even touch him, he just looked at Sasuke screamed, and sent it right back at him.

Kakashi if he got lucky might be able to fight em off for awhile but I dont think he can keep up with them anymore. The yare growing to fast.

Episode "Naruto_005_Failure!_Kakashi's_Conclusion" Even in ep 5 Sasuke got his hands on the bells ;) ... So we know of his extrodinary talent.

He's not a wannabie, hes an uchiha ;) unlike Kakashi.

[CyberPunk]

yea, this 10 years to catch up is horseshit. by the time oro is ready for sasuke's body, which might be about 2 or 3 years, i'm almost positive sasuke will be nearing itachi in terms of skill and ability, he also might have the mangekyou. naruto will most likely also rival the 4th in terms of skill and power if he can get his head straight and mature a little bit.

[Kayess]

During the fight, both Sasuke and Naruto surpassed Kakashi in terms of strength. There is nothing that he could have done to either Kyuubi-Naruto or Level 2 Sasuke which would have stopped them.

You can debate it all you want, but that is how it is.

If you want proof, just look at the chapters. They demonstrated more power/speed, etc than Kakashi has ever. He may be able to outsmart them, but they were stronger.

[FireBorn]

I cant beleieve i'm hearing this.

first when the sound 4 saw kakashi they shit their pants.
Kakashi is an elite jounin.
naruto and sasuke are only at the chunin level,even when they power up.
Kimimaru would still kick sasuke's ass,if he was alive and well.

Ep "Naruto_016_The_Released_Seal!" Zabuza even states "What is this terrible chakra.....Kakashi?!?, no it cant be, its to powerful to be his."

That's all. This was also before Naruto knew Rasengan. That and at in these recent chapters hes probably a hell of a lot more powerful then before.

If I were using your logic, how would you explain Oro defeating the 4th?

[UserName]

I don't think so. The Sound 4 are only chuunins and with the level 2 power all 4 of them were exausted after fighitng 2 special jounins. Kimi not sure how much stronger he is than the Sound 4 but he still is from the same group as them and Kimimaro Level 2 shoudl be quite stronger than Sasuke Level 2. So no they aren't Jounin level.

[Verrik]

yea, this 10 years to catch up is horseshit. by the time oro is ready for sasuke's body, which might be about 2 or 3 years, i'm almost positive sasuke will be nearing itachi in terms of skill and ability, he also might have the mangekyou. naruto will most likely also rival the 4th in terms of skill and power if he can get his head straight and mature a little bit.

The events of this arc and 233 will force Naruto to mature. He failed, Chouji and Neji could be dead. If they are he will feel as though he let them down and there deaths meant nothing. He wont be like his old self for a while.

[Dauthi]

I don't think so. The Sound 4 are only chuunins and with the level 2 power all 4 of them were exausted after fighitng 2 special jounins. Kimi not sure how much stronger he is than the Sound 4 but he still is from the same group as them and Kimimaro Level 2 shoudl be quite stronger than Sasuke Level 2. So no they aren't Jounin level.

I agree. They were fighting eachother at the same level, thats why they seemed to be incredibly fast. They certainly have more potential than Kakashi.. but they cant come close to beating him.

Also would like to add, the sound 4 didnt even face special jounins, i thought they were just normal jounins, so Kakashi would be much stronger, seeing as how he is a genius and elite.

They could both possibly have more raw chakra than kakashi towards the end of the battle, but thats about it. They dont know how to effectively use it yet.

[lotus_lee]

Do you guys think Naruto and Sasuke have passed kakashi? I think they have, Naruto and Kyuubi have formed a bond, and sasuke has gotten his third dot of the sharingan, and has mastered his curse seal, he is a true sussesor of the sharingan unlike kakashi, and he might have gotten the mag. sharingan, we gotta wait and see tho.

Sasuke isn't a true successor of the Sharingan. Itachi is. Sasuke would be nothing had he not received the Curse Seal.

I still don't see how Sasuke can beat Itachi in the near future. Sure, Sasuke may surpass him one day in terms of power (due to his Curse Seal) but it's not like Itachi is just gonna stop training anymore, not learn any more jutsus and simply let Sasuke catch up and beat him like that right?

[LipidSama]

Sasuke isn't a true successor of the Sharingan. Itachi is. Sasuke would be nothing had he not received the Curse Seal.

I still don't see how Sasuke can beat Itachi in the near future. Sure, Sasuke may surpass him one day in terms of power (due to his Curse Seal) but it's not like Itachi is just gonna stop training anymore, not learn any more jutsus and simply let Sasuke catch up and beat him like that right?



ummm lad, put down the beer, and pay more attention to the show, Sasuke is an uchiha, meaning he has the sharingan blood flowing thru his veins. in other words he is a true sussesor to the sharingan. Itachi is his elder brother, making them both sussesors to it.

Sasuke and Naruto are growing as a rapid pace, Orochimaru even said, that Itachi has more raw talent, but Sasuke has more potential. meaning Sasuke has the ability to catch up and pass Itachi is terms of power and skill. As for Naruto, hes just a tank of a guy when it comes to fighting for what you belive, not to mention the little kitty that lives inside him. ^_^

[Hunter]

Sasuke isn't a true successor of the Sharingan. Itachi is.
They both are true successor of the Sharingan, Itachi is just incredibly better than Sasuke.

Sasuke would be nothing had he not received the Curse Seal.
Yeah I mean, without the curse seal he was only crushing easily a Kyubized Naruto when he gained the full Sharingan, that's nothing. Really :D

I still don't see how Sasuke can beat Itachi in the near future. Sure, Sasuke may surpass him one day in terms of power (due to his Curse Seal) but it's not like Itachi is just gonna stop training anymore, not learn any more jutsus and simply let Sasuke catch up and beat him like that right?
If Sasuke gains the Mangekyo and thus become able to resist to the Tsukiyomi, a huge battle of will between the two brothers inside this fake world where both of them would be able to control everything ^^

[Lost World]

Sasuke isn't a true successor of the Sharingan. Itachi is.

Bullshit. Sasuke is the second most important character in this story. In 4 years time he will crush Itachi.

[LipidSama]

Oro has no interesst in Sasuke progressing whatsoever, all he wants is his body.


No, Orochimaru, wants his body at a certain point, he stats this in the chunnin exam, he will most likly train Sasuke, get him to 100% in all aspects of being a ninja. than once he is satsified with Sasuke as a uber ninja, he will come in and take over his body.

[Genei Killua]

In 4 years time he will crush Itachi.

God, I hope not. I'm sure Sasuke will get stronger than Itachi, but by so much and so quickly that he'd be able to crush him in 4 years? No way. (at least I hope not-- you never know in a shonen)

By Sasuke's age, Itachi had wiped out his clan. Itachi was elite jounin-level. Sasuke is now probably only little ANBU level--and that's only when he's using a mind-destroying artifice. Itachi by Sasuke's age knew just about everything there was (presumably) about killing those with the sharingan. Sasuke should know nothing about this.

I'd be really sad if Sasuke got that powerful on the darkside. I'd be much happier if he got stronger than Itachi some other 'purer' way.

Either way--one thing's almost for sure--he'll get stronger than Itachi. That doesn't mean he'll kill Itachi, but he'll definitely get stronger. Hah, just thinking about it--I wonder what Sasuke would do were Naruto to be the one to kill Itachi?

[CyberPunk]

4 years is completely reasonable. i don't even think it will take that long. sasuke, when trained correctly, grows at an incredible rate. all itachi really has over sasuke is the ms, some speed and strength, and more jutsus. now that sasuke has the full sharingan, he should learn an assload of moves by 4 year's time.

The events of this arc and 233 will force Naruto to mature. He failed, Chouji and Neji could be dead. If they are he will feel as though he let them down and there deaths meant nothing. He wont be like his old self for a while.

i understand that, but i don't think he'll lose his brashness and his tendancy to be very headstrong all at once. it will take some time. he's still very young, by the time he's 16 or 17, he'll be a champion.

[DJ*]

4 years is completely reasonable. i don't even think it will take that long. sasuke, when trained correctly, grows at an incredible rate. all itachi really has over sasuke is the ms, some speed and strength, and more jutsus. now that sasuke has the full sharingan, he should learn an assload of moves by 4 year's time.

So Itachi's just going to sit on a rock for 4 years whilst everybody* surpasses him?



*yes I do mean everybody. Oro, Kakashi and Naruto (to name 3) aren't just going to sit about aswell whilst Sasuke gets stronger.

[Lost World]

So Itachi's just going to sit on a rock for 4 years whilst everybody* surpasses him?



*yes I do mean everybody. Oro, Kakashi and Naruto (to name 3) aren't just going to sit about aswell whilst Sasuke gets stronger.

I dunno about Kakashi. We never see him train. And Oro just experienced a substantial decrease in overall strength.

[CyberPunk]

So Itachi's just going to sit on a rock for 4 years whilst everybody* surpasses him?



*yes I do mean everybody. Oro, Kakashi and Naruto (to name 3) aren't just going to sit about aswell whilst Sasuke gets stronger.

of course not, don't be fucking retarded. but sasuke has been said to have more potential than itachi, and taking into consideration the amount of growth potential he's shown when trained properly, span that over 3 or 4 years and you'll have a complete fucking psycho.

[Nine Devil]

of course not, don't be fucking retarded. but sasuke has been said to have more potential than itachi, and taking into consideration the amount of growth potential he's shown when trained properly, span that over 3 or 4 years and you'll have a complete fucking psycho.

Lol, Its the twice for Itachi in a couple of years he passed the Sannin.

[hokagenaruto3]

Don´t forget what Kakashi said. The strenght Sasuke has with the Cursed Seal isn´t real strenght. It´s just being able to use all the chakra in your body.
kakashi said that if Sasuke fully accepted the CS (which he did), that would be it for his strenght growth and he´d never be able to kill Itachi.

Sasuke can now only get stronger in the sense of jutsu knowhow and jutsu quantity. If he would wan´t to get stronger in the sense of power and chakra he´d would have to somehow ditch the CS and that would be it for his current amount of chakra. Don´t think even for a second that he will have wings in that case. he´ll have to rely on his own.

[CyberPunk]

kakashi just said that to deter sasuke from depending on a source of power other than his own. no growth can occur if sasuke just uses the seal in every battle. orochimaru wouldn't put a limiter on a body he would one day try to take.

[Genei Killua]

There's no reason why Orochimaru would want to really train Sasuke. He doesn't need him to get better or anything before he takes over, because if he does, then Sasuke's body is now Orochimaru's body. He can train in it. He can use its bloodline limits. It's not as if the body's ability stops once Orochimaru comes in.

[CyberPunk]

he'd train sasuke because what else is he gonna do for 2 or 3 years? oro feels that he has control over sasuke with the seals, so there's no reason for him not to train sasuke's body and his ability to master the sharingan.

[Hunter]

Quite the opposite actually.
The stronger Sasuke becomes, the better it would be to take his body.

[Genei Killua]

Quite the opposite actually.
The stronger Sasuke becomes, the better it would be to take his body.
Only in that Orochimaru wouldn't have to train. But in regards to jutsus, Oro has no need to teach Sasuke. All he'd want is for Sasuke to get better physically.

Actually, Oro has a couple of reasons for wanting that. :twitch:

[neodrag38]

of course not, don't be fucking retarded. but sasuke has been said to have more potential than itachi, and taking into consideration the amount of growth potential he's shown when trained properly, span that over 3 or 4 years and you'll have a complete fucking psycho.

You know what, I'm sick and tired of all this talk about Sasuke has more potential. Where in the whole manga has it been shown the Sasuke has surpassed his brother in any time line of age. When Itachi was Sasuke's age, he
1. Had already mastered the sharingan at a way earlier age along with graduating earlier.
2. Was already accepted into the ANBU and was actually an ANBU captain at age 13.
3. Killed the entire who Uchiha clan in what seems like less than one day.

How the hell is Sasuke going to catch up with that when he brother had already and has always been ahead not simply in difference in experience, but when you compare how they were like at the same period of age, comparing Sasuke of 13 to Itachi of 13, that Sasuke is still insanely behind.

The only way it would make sense for Sasuke to surpass Itachi is to gain some insane type of justu whatever, Itachi deciding not to train at all which is so out of the question, or wait till Itachi is on his deathbed.

It just wouldn't really make sense for Sasuke to surpass Itachi in 4 years or even that of a decade or two when that gap between will always remain unless Itachi someone is incapable to train anymore.

P.S.
The guy would said that Sasuke has more potential than Itachi, as in Orochimaru, is the said who admitted that he's incapable of taking over Itachi's body and has to take over the body of Sasuke instead.

When you think about it, Orochimaru would be better just shutting the hell up for once since here we have him saying that wanting to take over Sasuke instead of Itachi because he can't beat and take over Itachi, a fact he has never told to Sasuke and I'm sure Sasuke doesn't know about, while saying that Sasuke has more potential than Itachi, I'm within ear shot like baiting a fish.

[Hunter]

Only in that Orochimaru wouldn't have to train. But in regards to jutsus, Oro has no need to teach Sasuke. All he'd want is for Sasuke to get better physically.

Actually, Oro has a couple of reasons for wanting that. :twitch:
The funny thing is that now Oro has no chance anymore to gain the Mangekyo Sharingan : even if he takes over the body of Sasuke I doubt this twisted bastard has anyone that he would consider as a close friend :p

If by whatever way he discovers how the Mangekyo must be obtained he has to make Sasuke killing Naruto before taking his body.

[CyberPunk]

there's always the possibility of kabuto. :P

[Hunter]

I don't think their relation can be called friendship ;)

[neodrag38]

I don't think their relation can be called friendship ;)

I can agree with you on that.

[CyberPunk]

kabuto is oro's closest person though, but i agree that it'd be lame if oro could simply kill kabuto and get the mangekyou.

whatever happens, i really hope that sasuke is able to best itachi, maybe with the speculated susanowo move he'll create.

[neodrag38]

kabuto is oro's closest person though, but i agree that it'd be lame if oro could simply kill kabuto and get the mangekyou.

whatever happens, i really hope that sasuke is able to best itachi, maybe with the speculated susanowo move he'll create.

Do you really wan't to start another argument. Never known Sasuke or anyone with a bloodline ability being the type of create new, never seen jutsus.

[Lost World]

Do you really wan't to start another argument. Never known Sasuke or anyone with a bloodline ability being the type of create new, never seen jutsus.


You're quite blind.

[neodrag38]

You're quite blind.

I meant it in creating a new jutsu not connected to their bloodline abilities. But whatever, we'll see what happens.

[Genei Killua]

Sasuke will almost definitely come up with new abilities based on his bloodline. How else could he really expect to defeat Itachi anytime soon otherwise? Oro's jutsus won't really help much, and he'd have to do a hell of a lot of catching up if he wants to even be on par with Itachi physically. So the quickest way would be for him to search for the power within himself, perhaps on some sort of pilgrimage. But that's just me romanticizing.

[CyberPunk]

Do you really wan't to start another argument. Never known Sasuke or anyone with a bloodline ability being the type of create new, never seen jutsus.

yea, let's start an argument. what's your basis for this disagreement? oh that's right, it's because you hate sasuke.

[Genei Killua]

yea, let's start an argument. what's your basis for this disagreement? oh that's right, it's because you hate sasuke.
Well, if he did mean that we haven't seen ninjas with bloodline limits create new non-bloodline-related jutsu, then he is correct. It seems like people who create new nonbloodline jutsus are those who themselves are without a bloodline, such as the 4th and Orochimaru (I know I'm jumping the gun a little bit, but let's just assume the 4th doesn't have a bll.)

[CyberPunk]

the susanowo move is believed to be related to the sharingan though, that's why i have no idea what neo was talking about.

[socomberetta]

the susanowo move is believed to be related to the sharingan though, that's why i have no idea what neo was talking about.
How so?

And where can I find more info on this susanowo?

[CyberPunk]

it's all speculation, but i'm searching for other posts i made regarding it. i'll edit this when i find them.



edit: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=19657&page=21&pp=20
i made some posts there involving the myths

[socomberetta]

it's all speculation, but i'm searching for other posts i made regarding it. i'll edit this when i find them.
Thanks a bunch.

[Inuzuka]

You seem to forget that Kakashi's sharingan Is the same as Sasuke and he has a lot more expierence using it. Furthermore, Sasuke wasn't particulairy fast against Naruto. So what does Sasuke really have against him? A chidori wich he can't hit? You anme it and Kakashi is better at it then Sasuke or Naruto for that matter, Annoying thing about naruto is healing capability but that's about it.
Trust me, Kakashi would be doing the mopping.

Banzai.Although Sasuke has X2 Sharingan,with 3 spirals in each,dosen't mean he can beat Kakashi,whom only has 1 'fully-matured' Sharingan but has alot more experience in real life battles.(*What's the use of being able to see a few moments into the future and see your oponent's next move,but not be able to dodge it?*)
Nonetheless,Kakashi wouldn't mop the floor with Sasuke.(*Not to that extent anyway*)

That's the shitty thing about this arc, the balance has been distrubed and people begin to wonder how strong so and so is vs. Sasuke and Naruto.
Next time people will think they can fight on par with a Sannin
Yes,the shitty thing about this arc is that it messes up the balence of power in the series.But nonetheless,it gives us a clearer idea of how much the Genins(*In general*) have matured.

[tetra]

You can't really compare sasuke and naruto to kakashi.
Maybe they approach him in strength due to the power boosts but Naruto and Sasuke fight like idiots. They're more like street fighters than ninjas.
Naruto does rasengan on Kakashi?
I bet kakashi woud do like kage bunshin, oh no what is naruto going to do.

And also just cause Orochi says "Sasuke has more potential than Itachi" doesn't really make it true.

[Zek]

I don't think Orochimaru cares about getting Mangekyou. He might not even know about it. Though I'm sure he would like it, the only reason he wants Sharingan is for the ability to copy jutsus.

[Genei Killua]

And also just cause Orochi says "Sasuke has more potential than Itachi" doesn't really make it true.
More accurately, he said something along the lines of "I see in your eyes more potential than that of Itachi" or something like that which was worded to sound like Orochimaru was only saying his eyes could be better than Itachi's, not that Sasuke himself has a greater potential than Itachi.

[Hunter]

No Genei, that means the same thing. It's just an usual sentence for that, the eyes being the reflect of the soul blah blah blah.

Is it far from logical that Sasuke would become stronger than Itachi in a rather short amount of time?
Yes.

Is it however rather probable that it will still happen?
Yes.

Naruto is a Shonen manga guys, the characters such as Naruto and Sasuke will become ridiculously strong in a stupidly short amount of time, that's just how this kind of story works.

[Genei Killua]

No Genei, that means the same thing. It's just an usual sentence for that, the eyes being the reflect of the soul blah blah blah.
Really? I'll admit not as much familiarity with Japanese phrases, but it really seemed to me like Orochimaru was focusing on Sasuke's sharingan abilities.

[CyberPunk]

i can see how there can be some confusion there because right before he said that, he commented on how good sasuke's ability was with the sharingan. but yea, i agree he was commenting on the overall potential of sasuke being greater than itachi.