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Lord Raiden
2003-12-05, 01:50
Just wanting to build some general comparisons between Anime and Real Life in Japan. Things that are correct, things that are way off, things that are obviously different, or very similar. Here's a few I've noticed and have questions about or made some general observations on.

Observations:
1. Charecters in anime's tend to have rapid mood swings. Like for example, I've seen women go from being sweet, gentle and kind to wanting to kill you and use your head as a rugby ball all within 5 seconds of each other. :eek:

2. Itetakemasu (sp?) is used both in anime and real life (as far as I can tell) and many of the eating customs are portrayed correctly in most anime.

3. I've noticed that shoes are left at the door whenever you come in, and in HS and some businesses, you have "indoor shoes" and "outdoor shoes". I'm guessing it has something to do with hygene.

4. While many of the charecters in Anime have a "Western" appearence, it's nowhere near real life japanese people. At least not that I can see.

Questions:
1. Do people in Japan react so knee jerk like anime charecters do to people who give any hint of being perverted in any way? Do those people become social outcasts for that?

2. How does the majority of people get around in Japan? I've seen a lot of cars being shown in Anime, but there seems to be a huge emphasis on public transportation and bikes too. Is that true in real life Japan?

3. I've also noticed that physical fitness seems to be drilled into everyone to some extent, especialy martial arts and most especially in HS, but definately after HS as well. You almost never see a school day in a japanese HS that doesn't include some kind of PE, regardless of the grade. Is that accurate to what is normally shown in anime or is it overstated or understated?

4. Is there really a law stating at what age someone can get married?

5. Is politeness really taken to the extremes I've seen in anime? I know that it is always a good idea to be polite no matter what, but in anime they seem to go to extremes to be polite and I'm wondering if it's the same way in real life Japan.

6. Playing back on question one under the observations, is that anything like how people react in real life Japan or not? I would suspect not, but I'm gonna play dumb and ask anyways. ^_^

Well, that's all I have for now. I'm sure I'll have more, but that's a few to start. Feel free to share your observations and questions too as I'm sure others will enjoy the info. :)

kj1980
2003-12-05, 02:31
Questions:
1. Do people in Japan react so knee jerk like anime charecters do to people who give any hint of being perverted in any way? Do those people become social outcasts for that?

Umm, can you explain that? I've no idea what you are saying.

2. How does the majority of people get around in Japan? I've seen a lot of cars being shown in Anime, but there seems to be a huge emphasis on public transportation and bikes too. Is that true in real life Japan?

Our one most major transportation is by rail. We choose where we live by "how many minutes it takes to walk" to the nearest train station. In Japan, the train can take you anywhere, and it is crisscrossed all across the metro area that it much better to go by train than say a car. That's because there is too much traffic. I hear that in America, that you do not need to pay to use the freeways. In Japan, we have to pay a toll to use the "expressway," which can cost upwards to $70 depending on how far you traveled. And besides, our car registrations are very expensive, the cost of registration actually goes up as the car ages, due to strict exhaust rules and regulations. The car is mainly a secondary transport - mainly to use by family trips and the like. And public transportation by buses are more readily available and reliable (most trains are always on time and stop directly at the mark, except in cases when people commit suicide by jumping off the train station - then you have massive jam at the stations).

3. I've also noticed that physical fitness seems to be drilled into everyone to some extent, especialy martial arts and most especially in HS, but definately after HS as well. You almost never see a school day in a japanese HS that doesn't include some kind of PE, regardless of the grade. Is that accurate to what is normally shown in anime or is it overstated or understated?

Not martial arts...no. Physical Education, somewhat yes. Our school system is based on having a homeroom, and having the teacher come to your class depending on the subject. (i.e. - you ahve a homeroom teacher, at the end of period one, she leaves and a teacher who teaches...let's say English comes to class and English class begins). Physical Education (or what we refer to as "taiiku") is not regulated everyday, but mostly by the week, and depends on what the teacher wants to do (it could be running around the track, swimming, etc.) But that's only up to high school. After that, there isn't anymore PE. It may seem that we are a physical conscious people...but that's because we indirectly HAVE to exercise everyday - walking to the nearest train station, ride the jammed up trains standing, being pushed and shoved, hopping the connecting train (running to catch that train), shoving and pushing once again, getting to your destination, walking to your place of work - and start your office duties. And that's just in the morning. In the afternoon, your boss may tell you to come with him to go meet a business deal at a different location, and you go through the same process again, and you go through the same process once again when you come back home. Indirectly, we are exercising. That's why we have few fat people....unlike America where everything is driven by car.


4. Is there really a law stating at what age someone can get married?
I believe every nation and every place has that kind of law. It's called "Age of Consent Laws." In Japan, its 16 (male) and 18 (female) without parental permission, and 12 (male) and 14 (female) with parental permission. (Or so the last time I heard)


5. Is politeness really taken to the extremes I've seen in anime? I know that it is always a good idea to be polite no matter what, but in anime they seem to go to extremes to be polite and I'm wondering if it's the same way in real life Japan.

Can you elaborate on that and give me and example? From what I know by watching anime in Japan, nah I have never felt that way, so it probably isn't exaggerated.

6. Playing back on question one under the observations, is that anything like how people react in real life Japan or not? I would suspect not, but I'm gonna play dumb and ask anyways. Please explain number one first.

Mr. Bushido
2003-12-05, 02:51
Just wanting to build some general comparisons between Anime and Real Life in Japan. Things that are correct, things that are way off, things that are obviously different, or very similar. Here's a few I've noticed and have questions about or made some general observations on.

Observations:
1. Charecters in anime's tend to have rapid mood swings. Like for example, I've seen women go from being sweet, gentle and kind to wanting to kill you and use your head as a rugby ball all within 5 seconds of each other. :eek:

2. Itetakemasu (sp?) is used both in anime and real life (as far as I can tell) and many of the eating customs are portrayed correctly in most anime.

3. I've noticed that shoes are left at the door whenever you come in, and in HS and some businesses, you have "indoor shoes" and "outdoor shoes". I'm guessing it has something to do with hygene.

4. While many of the charecters in Anime have a "Western" appearence, it's nowhere near real life japanese people. At least not that I can see.

Questions:
1. Do people in Japan react so knee jerk like anime charecters do to people who give any hint of being perverted in any way? Do those people become social outcasts for that?

2. How does the majority of people get around in Japan? I've seen a lot of cars being shown in Anime, but there seems to be a huge emphasis on public transportation and bikes too. Is that true in real life Japan?

3. I've also noticed that physical fitness seems to be drilled into everyone to some extent, especialy martial arts and most especially in HS, but definately after HS as well. You almost never see a school day in a japanese HS that doesn't include some kind of PE, regardless of the grade. Is that accurate to what is normally shown in anime or is it overstated or understated?

4. Is there really a law stating at what age someone can get married?

5. Is politeness really taken to the extremes I've seen in anime? I know that it is always a good idea to be polite no matter what, but in anime they seem to go to extremes to be polite and I'm wondering if it's the same way in real life Japan.

6. Playing back on question one under the observations, is that anything like how people react in real life Japan or not? I would suspect not, but I'm gonna play dumb and ask anyways. ^_^

Well, that's all I have for now. I'm sure I'll have more, but that's a few to start. Feel free to share your observations and questions too as I'm sure others will enjoy the info. :)

Well, I’m not an expert in Japanese culture, but I’m pretty good with history. And im an expert on korea since im a Korean.
The two countries had an impact on each other A LOT. Japan is like the Australia of Korea. And korea technically developed Japan until the BC ages ended.

The idea that all anime characters are white is BS. Most of them are supposed to be Asian, usually Japanese. The idea that Asians have small eyes and we cannot see well is also false. The average Chinese have bigger eyes than the average American. The average Korean has better eyesight than the average European. (but not better than the average Hispanics. The beans they eat are RICH in Vit. C. so is kimchi~)
That’s why the big eyed anime characters are not white, even tho ppl think that because of the big eyes.

The mood swing grls are not typical of Japanese grls. The violent grls are also not tat of the Japanese grls. (although im not 100% sure on this, someone who’s Japanese can tell me if the Japanese grls are still rather quietr)
Even around the 60’s the women had to be quiet and polite at all times. It was an unwritten law, and when married they were like maids listening to their husbands.

The violent grls are more like the Korean (especially Korean American) grls. Tell me if this is a typical anime scene (true story):

I was looking inside the grls bathroom at church because I heard male voices and it was open. I noticed there was a mini-lobby there inside the bathroom but not inside the “toilet” area. So I thought ppl hang out there since its technically not INSIDE the bathroom. Suddenly I feel a SHARP pain in my leg than my back. I turn around and I see a grl (hot one) and shes kicking me. (yea she’s my friend, not a stranger) apparently she ran towards me and jumpkicked me with her heals because she thought I was doing perverted things.

And since the city ull find the most Koreans besides cities in korea is Tokyo, its highly likely they have seen these actions.

Itetakemasu- used in real life.

Shoes are left outside as an old asian custom. We take off our shoes before going indoor, and since schools and workplaces may not be clean as the houses we live in, we use indoor shoes. Our household have all repair man take off their shoes or wear bags over it before coming in our house.

Perverts are NOT tolerated at all in Japan, Korea, and China. (odd since japan and korea is a rather big porn center) a teacher cannot ask a grl to lift her skirt EVEN if he saw a cheat sheet under it. He has to let it go technically.

Busses, street cars, subways and trains are common transportation of Korea, japan, and…. New york?

Physical fitness is required, and especially these days where japan and korea is threathened by N korea’s invasion.

Japanese ppl are EXTREMELY polite. Most asian languages if not all have the honorific form of their language, but the Japanese are the most polite. As uve seen Tom Green being an asshole all over japan and no one cared, and ppl were generally nice to him. In korea or china, he would’ve been beaten down and thrown in jail.

Like is said: im not 100% sure about the Japanese, but many of the reactions that the anime chacters make are very similar to wat the Koreans do. (especially Korean American) Im guessing its only common sense, or it may be because korea is the #2 anime center in the world, and the ppl are acting more like anime rather than anime is acting lke them? I for one have lots of anime type reaction, and sometimes so does my mom.

Sorry for the long post!

IF I made mistakes: please inform me, especially if ure Japanese. Id hate it if I offended anyone. (although I doubt anything I said would…)

Go-lytely
2003-12-05, 03:16
I hope no one takes what they see in anime as a true reflection of what life is like in Japan.

1. Yeah, I dont really understand that question either. First of all there are very few outwardly perverted people like the ones in anime. If they did act like that then yes, you would be shunned, just like here in America.

2. I think if most Americans went to Japan, or anywhere in Asia, they would be surprised at how crowded it is. Last time I was in Tokyo there were lots of cars but most people take the subway to get anywhere. Whats really cool are the bullet trains. I wish America had some of them because it would save so much time.

3. PE isnt emphasized anymore in Japan than it is in America. I dont know how it is in other American high schools, but my high school had PE everyday and we also had PE uniforms and the most unflattering school swimsuits.

4. Japan has laws about age of marriage, but so does every state in America. So there is really no difference there.

5. I'd like some examples too but maybe he is referring to people calling each other with -sama which no normal person would ever do in real life. Well maybe not never but it would be very very rare.

Mr. Bushido
2003-12-05, 03:18
5. I'd like some examples too but maybe he is referring to people calling each other with -sama which no normal person would ever do in real life. Well maybe not never but it would be very very rare.

i think he means when the characters meet someone new. its always

"hello my name is Zoro" (in honorifics)
"its a pleasure to meet you."

while americans are:

"HEy wats up, name's zoro"
"heeey"

i dont know.

Go-lytely
2003-12-05, 03:34
The idea that all anime characters are white is BS. Most of them are supposed to be Asian, usually Japanese. The idea that Asians have small eyes and we cannot see well is also false. The average Chinese have bigger eyes than the average American. The average Korean has better eyesight than the average European. (but not better than the average Hispanics. The beans they eat are RICH in Vit. C. so is kimchi~)
That’s why the big eyed anime characters are not white, even tho ppl think that because of the big eyes.

Actually, myopia, nearsightness, is more common in Asians than other races. This is somewhat due to an evolutionary factor because most eastern cultures developed agriculture and farming before those in the rest of the world. Since people could grow their own food they really didnt need good eyesight which would be essential for hunting. In other ancient cultures if you couldnt hunt then you would die of starvation and thus you couldn't pass along your bad eyesight genes. Oh yeah, anime characters are not white, it is just the artstyle with its roots influenced by Disney and other american animators.



The mood swing grls are not typical of Japanese grls. The violent grls are also not tat of the Japanese grls. (although im not 100% sure on this, someone who’s Japanese can tell me if the Japanese grls are still rather quietr)
Even around the 60’s the women had to be quiet and polite at all times. It was an unwritten law, and when married they were like maids listening to their husbands.


That is such a wrong stereotype about Japanese girls being all polite and quiet. Sure there are some girls who are genuinely shy but there are also a lot who can be quite rambunctious especially when around their peers and friends.

Mr. Bushido
2003-12-05, 03:44
Actually, myopia, nearsightness, is more common in Asians than other races. This is somewhat due to an evolutionary factor because most eastern cultures developed agriculture and farming before those in the rest of the world. Since people could grow their own food they really didnt need good eyesight which would be essential for hunting. In other ancient cultures if you couldnt hunt then you would die of starvation and thus you couldn't pass along your bad eyesight genes. Oh yeah, anime characters are not white, it is just the artstyle with its roots influenced by Disney and other american animators.




That is such a wrong stereotype about Japanese girls being all polite and quiet. Sure there are some girls who are genuinely shy but there are also a lot who can be quite rambunctious especially when around their peers and friends.


notice how the nearsightness was just uncommon on koreans. Sorry i didnt make that clear. Chinese have bigger eyes, koreans have better vision. Its because: Koreans were like the huns if they were not the huns themselves. And archery was the key weapon of korea until the firearms were introduced. Even today by stats koreans are the best archers in the world. (uve seen the olympics right?) Also kimchi, the korean pepper (which we put in everything) are so rich in vitamin C it gives us REALLY good eyesight. Koreans depended on archery A LOT, especially because we had few ppl. Engineering and sniping became trademarks of Korea until the imperial age. Although koreans were farmers as well, we had to depend on archery. I only have one good eye (the other is blind almost) and my vision and depth preception is better than that of most half blind ppl, and even better than average ppl.
Korea has yet to lose in female archery competion and team archery of both gender. 2000 olympic female archery went like this: gold: korea silver : korea bronze: korea. Team: Gold : korea. silver: forgot i think it was germany. bronze: i think it was america. even if koreans are nearsighted, the stereotype of us being horrible shooter is FAR from the truth

as for china and japan, i do not know very well... haha.

im not stereotyping, its just in general. Its because the japanese culture have made the women like that well into the 80s.
i mean its like the samething as me saying : generally women do better in studies when men are not present. Is it true for ALL women? NO of course not, but studies have shown this to be true especially in the middle school level. In fact this test was done at my middle school.
its not stereotype, its statistics. Take one at a local college sometimes, its actually a fun class. You learn lots of cool pscy things. Like: Men never read directions b4 they do something. Or Boys have higher ADD rate than grls. stats my friend. Not stereotyping.

Japanese ppl are rather rare here in LA, CA... weird? I mean unless they're half something else. i see more mixed japanese than full blood. therefore i have never had a japanese friend who speaks japanese.... even my only full blood japanese friend. (hes the only one i know of in the school)

kj1980
2003-12-05, 04:08
Probably... but actually I don't really understand the japanese thinking of hygene. When I compare the downside of my indoor shoes with my outdoor shoes, the indoor slippers are much dirtier, and also some other things are really strange. I've see it really often, that the people hang out their futons to air... but they hang it over their balconies, or fire stairs, where it was raining one day before, so IMHO they are getting dirtier by this instead of clean.

How often do you vacuum your room in America? In Japan, we vacuum our rooms everyday. And if the slippers do ever get dirty, we replace them. And, at least there isn't dog poop inside the house, much like the outdoors, where you can mistakenly step on dog poop. do you want to wear shoes with dog poop inside the house?

And about the futon over the balconies, people usually hang a "hanging cloth" over the balcony before putting up a futon to "air" it. A futon basked in sunlight is much more soothing to sleep in, when compared to one that hasn't due to how humid Japan is.

kj1980
2003-12-05, 04:38
Hm, I haven't really seen people vaccum their rooms this often, but probably this depends on the individuum. I'm from germany and I've vacuumed my room evertime I felt it was getting dirty... but it wasn't really often, because I've tried to keep it clean from the start. I also always used different shoes in the house (actually I can't really imagine wearing the same shoes the whole day), but at home my inhouse shoes were much cleaner.

About the futons: Actually I don't really have so much time to check everone, but I've seen a lot of people taking their futon outside and just hanging it over the balcony, without something else between this. I would definately use something, because I wouldn't sleep in something which had contact with something as dirty as a balcony banister.

But there are also some other issues: For example I've also seen washed clothes hanging outside to dry... for several days while it was raining in the meantime, and also most of the washing machines I've seen until now only work with cold water.


Maybe my expectations are a bit to high, or I only notice the people beeing a bit lazy with their hygiene, but my opinion on this matter is a bit cleaner. :D

Oh yes, I have seen that too. Then again, some people are lazy, some people forget. It would be better if people would able to get a dryer, but unfortunately, as you would know, our rooms are small. We have to rely on sunlight to dry our clothes, and some people are just plain lazy to put them back in. One time, I saw a house keeping their clothes out to dry for an entire week!!

Like I said, not everyone is perfect, not everyone is hygenetically consciouslly equal....like how some people wash their hands after going to the toilet, whereas some people don't (I'm never going to that cake shop in Gotanda!)

Go-lytely
2003-12-05, 04:42
notice how the nearsightness was just uncommon on koreans. Sorry i didnt make that clear. Chinese have bigger eyes, koreans have better vision. Its because: Koreans were like the huns if they were not the huns themselves. And archery was the key weapon of korea until the firearms were introduced. Even today by stats koreans are the best archers in the world. (uve seen the olympics right?) Also kimchi, the korean pepper (which we put in everything) are so rich in vitamin C it gives us REALLY good eyesight. Koreans depended on archery A LOT, especially because we had few ppl. Engineering and sniping became trademarks of Korea until the imperial age. Although koreans were farmers as well, we had to depend on archery. I only have one good eye (the other is blind almost) and my vision and depth preception is better than that of most half blind ppl, and even better than average ppl.
Korea has yet to lose in female archery competion and team archery of both gender. 2000 olympic female archery went like this: gold: korea silver : korea bronze: korea. Team: Gold : korea. silver: forgot i think it was germany. bronze: i think it was america. even if koreans are nearsighted, the stereotype of us being horrible shooter is FAR from the truth

Vitamin C really has nothing to do with the ability to see things far away. It is an important vitamin to keep your eyes healthy but it is not going to change the shape of your eye and give you better than 20/20 vision. Its mostly genetics.
I've never heard the streotype of Koreans being bad shooters. That's a new one for me. I am however, very aware of Korea's proficiency in archery and you forgot to mention olympic pistol shooting. Korea has won medals in those events as well. The success in those events are also be due to cultural reasons too, not just eyesight. Btw, I have relatives in Japan and Korea so I've eaten lots of kimchi too :)



im not stereotyping, its just in general. Its because the japanese culture have made the women like that well into the 80s.


Well this is the 21 century now and I'm just saying that the generalities of the past dont really hold true as much nowadays.

hunterx
2003-12-05, 05:18
Observations:
1. Charecters in anime's tend to have rapid mood swings. Like for example, I've seen women go from being sweet, gentle and kind to wanting to kill you and use your head as a rugby ball all within 5 seconds of each other. :eek:

people behave pretty much the same everywhere. crazy mood swings are like superhero talk in american cartoons. real people don't behave like that or talk like that.

BME
2003-12-05, 10:19
I hope no one takes what they see in anime as a true reflection of what life is like in Japan.



So doesn't your police use giant mechs like those in Patlabor for instance? :(

What a downer.

Mr. Bushido
2003-12-05, 13:31
Vitamin C really has nothing to do with the ability to see things far away. It is an important vitamin to keep your eyes healthy but it is not going to change the shape of your eye and give you better than 20/20 vision. Its mostly genetics.
I've never heard the streotype of Koreans being bad shooters. That's a new one for me. I am however, very aware of Korea's proficiency in archery and you forgot to mention olympic pistol shooting. Korea has won medals in those events as well. The success in those events are also be due to cultural reasons too, not just eyesight. Btw, I have relatives in Japan and Korea so I've eaten lots of kimchi too :)




Well this is the 21 century now and I'm just saying that the generalities of the past dont really hold true as much nowadays.


a bio major mentioned this to me, vitamin C is good for eyesight. Biologists are genetically enhancing rice to have vitamin c for china and japan who doesnt get enough vitamin C.

well asians in general are known to be bad shooters. Not as much anymore since Japan has proven them wrong in WW2 and korea did more of that in the olympic matches.
koreans arent as good on pistols as archery tho, so thats why i didnt really mention it. a 17 yr old grl managed the silver in 2000 tho.
well cultrual or not, u cant shoot with a good eyesight. Its actually more preception than eyesight actually.

Kimchi is good, it goes with everything. (almost) Dont eat japanese kimchi tho, it doesnt have the korean pepper sauce that makes kimchi famous.

did u know kimchi prevents SARS?? Korea was the last country to have ANY sign of it. its a mixture of the pepper sauce and lettuce. Thats y japan got it and korea didnt. Something with the sauce.

hygine in japan and everywhere else is about the same. Asians dont wear shoes so we have generally cleaner floor/carpet. Weve had the same carpet for 6 yrs and its cleaner than every new carpet that was installed in the apartment. They didnt install it in ours since its too clean to remove. ^^

Lord Raiden
2003-12-05, 16:03
1. Charecters in anime's tend to have rapid mood swings. Like for example, I've seen women go from being sweet, gentle and kind to wanting to kill you and use your head as a rugby ball all within 5 seconds of each other.

Hmm, I guess I wasn't any too clear on that one. Let me see if I can elaborate. To use Scrapped Princess as an example. Look at Pacifica. She's rather quiet for the most part, but she seems to just suddenly snap at people and go balistic on them seemingly instantly, then she can go right back to being nice again all without thinking twice and very quickly too. I hope that explains it better.

kj1980
2003-12-05, 19:28
1. Charecters in anime's tend to have rapid mood swings. Like for example, I've seen women go from being sweet, gentle and kind to wanting to kill you and use your head as a rugby ball all within 5 seconds of each other.

Hmm, I guess I wasn't any too clear on that one. Let me see if I can elaborate. To use Scrapped Princess as an example. Look at Pacifica. She's rather quiet for the most part, but she seems to just suddenly snap at people and go balistic on them seemingly instantly, then she can go right back to being nice again all without thinking twice and very quickly too. I hope that explains it better.

Well it depends on a person's personality doesn't it? You see people like these in real life anywhere. Not all people are like that and not all people aren't like that as well. Then again, sometime we are like that and sometimes we aren't.

You have people like my boss, yelling rowdily on the phone and in the next minute, he's talking to another guy on the phone in a gentle matter. Then again, you have a person like my co-worker who is always quiet and peaceful (though I'm sure he's the guy that when he "snaps" he can go nuts, never seen him angry, so i wouldn't know). Then again, you have a person like me who could be the former one day, and the latter for the next.

It's all about individual personality.

Lord Raiden
2003-12-05, 21:14
IF you've ever had German sauerkraut, it's basically the Korean equivalent of it. Far different taste, same basic concept. Cured cabbage with spices.

Muraki
2003-12-05, 21:15
Mood swings...

PMS....

(Runs away)

kj1980
2003-12-05, 21:19
Hm, it's a bit off-topic, but what since a lot of people here are eating this: What is is Kimchi actually? Is it some sort of plant?

How would one describe that hmm...in Japan we have something like that (by meaning how it used in as a dish serving) called "tsukemono."

Would it be called "an appetizer?" hmm... not quite right...

I'm certain that both "tsukemono" and "kimchi" are made from a certain type(s) of vegetable(s) (I assume it is a mix of Chinese cabbage, garlic, onions, and ginger). "Tsukemono" is salted and fermented, put to asleep for several days (or weeks/months) to get the salty flavor that goes really well with anything (mainly rice). "Kimchi" is peppered and fermented in and put to sleep with kimchi sauce for several days (or weeks/months) to give a hot flavor that goes really well with anything (mainly rice).

Most Japanese families keep a homemade "tsukemono" batch in their homes. And most Korean families keep a homemade "kimchi" batch in their homes as well. It's kinda like a great appetizer that can be easily and cheaply made, stored for a very long time, and tastes better as it ages ^^;

kj1980
2003-12-05, 21:25
Well, I'm a german, so I ate Sauerkraut once in a while. ;)
Somehow I think this Kimchi looks a bit strange, and I'm genereally a bit cautious about strange looking food. :D
And I prefer eating vegetarian (even I'm not really a vegetarian), and I really couldn't see what is in there.

From a Japanese standpoint, American food/cooking is one of the most boring variety that i can ever find. maybe it's that...everyone eats the same variety of food rendundantly that most Americans (especially people that i meet) are usually reluctant to try anything new, whereas most Japanese, Korean, and Chinese people are more willing to try new and exotic gourmets.

Mr. Bushido
2003-12-05, 22:54
IF you've ever had German sauerkraut, it's basically the Korean equivalent of it. Far different taste, same basic concept. Cured cabbage with spices.

Kimchi is cabbages, uh some other vegatable i dont know wat it is in english... i think its radish, cucumber, and much more. Kimchi is not just pickeld cabbage, even tho that is the most popular and most well known one.
You should look for a local Costco if u cant find a Korean store and buy a jar. Kimchi is one of the most popular food in the world. It smells bad, it looks weird, but it tastes GOOD. Koreans have kimchi icebox. Which is a refigerator with only kimchi in it.

From a Japanese standpoint, American food/cooking is one of the most boring variety that i can ever find. maybe it's that...everyone eats the same variety of food rendundantly that most Americans (especially people that i meet) are usually reluctant to try anything new, whereas most Japanese, Korean, and Chinese people are more willing to try new and exotic gourmets.

Most Americans are fools when it comes to food. Whenever they see something new they're always like: "ewww wat is that? thats wat??? omg how can you eat that?"
Of course when these same americans go hungry they start eating their own horses.
all americans will throw up after i say this: Wats wrong with eating dogs??
America has even made eating dog illegal in japan i believe, they tried to do it to korea and china. USA left feeling insulted tho, korea and china still eats it. Hindu ppl are complaining about americans eating cows, and muslims and jews pigs. but does america care? no cuz they like the food, they should lay off other nation's food. America is being openly racist when they say we shouldnt eat dogs.
America can only get certain lbs of meat from a cow, most other countries DOUBLE the amount america takes.

BTW: 97% of the ppl who ate dog unknownigly LOVED it (including me). Americans too. when they find out tho. 70% of the americans throw up or get sick, the other 30% just eats. and 80% of that 30% that eats is because they like the taste. 20% is becuase they dont care wat it is.

Lord Raiden
2003-12-06, 01:35
Well, I'm a german, so I ate Sauerkraut once in a while. ;)
Somehow I think this Kimchi looks a bit strange, and I'm genereally a bit cautious about strange looking food. :D
And I prefer eating vegetarian (even I'm not really a vegetarian), and I really couldn't see what is in there.
No offence or anything, but how did a German like yourself end up in Japan? :confused:
BTW: 97% of the ppl who ate dog unknownigly LOVED it (including me). Americans too. when they find out tho. 70% of the americans throw up or get sick, the other 30% just eats. and 80% of that 30% that eats is because they like the taste. 20% is becuase they dont care wat it is.
Well of course. Who wants to eat Fido? :D It's also a mentality that grown up in America. I have no doubt that dog and cat taste perty good, but when you've grown up in a culture that shuns that kind of thing and sees it as gross and vulger, it's kinda hard to break that mentality. I come from a family who loved liver, but I could never eat it because once I saw what a liver was, I could never bring myself to eat it ever again.

Hey, on another note, I noticed that Japanese eat a lot of vegitable, rice, and fish based foods, but eating any kind of meat is a special thing. They don't seem to have meat for every meal like we do here in the states. The mention of having meat at a meal seems to bring on an air of excitement as though its a special occation or something. Did I miss something about the importance of this? Is meat so expensive over there that it becomes something for special events only?

Mr. Bushido
2003-12-06, 02:09
No offence or anything, but how did a German like yourself end up in Japan? :confused:

Well of course. Who wants to eat Fido? :D It's also a mentality that grown up in America. I have no doubt that dog and cat taste perty good, but when you've grown up in a culture that shuns that kind of thing and sees it as gross and vulger, it's kinda hard to break that mentality. I come from a family who loved liver, but I could never eat it because once I saw what a liver was, I could never bring myself to eat it ever again.

Hey, on another note, I noticed that Japanese eat a lot of vegitable, rice, and fish based foods, but eating any kind of meat is a special thing. They don't seem to have meat for every meal like we do here in the states. The mention of having meat at a meal seems to bring on an air of excitement as though its a special occation or something. Did I miss something about the importance of this? Is meat so expensive over there that it becomes something for special events only?

like i said, americans are fools. AND dont eat cats... there are animals u cant eat, and cats are one of them.

the average death age of japanese women is 110. and for men its 80. Cuz all they eat is fish, vegatables, and rice. This also leads to japanese ppl being the world's smallest nation. an average japanese male is 5'4~5'3. The japanese used to call the koreans "chosunjin" meaning the "people of the Chosun" The chosun dynasty ended by the time the japanese called us tat. in retaliation the koreans called the japanese "chokpari-san" which means "mr small" u get the idea.

japan is an island, and its lands are bad for raising livestocks. fish is ABUNDUNT in japan of course, meat isnt. Today its easier to obtain them, but tradition is always still there. most asian countries dont eat that much meat in fact, and tats why we're smaller. (although korean genese indicate we can grow more than other races thanks to the 9ft tall ancestors known as hwarang warriors)

bad island japan is. Typhoons, tidal waves, EARTHQUAKES. i think its hard to raise livestock there...


EDIT: i dont know about japan. But koreans when they say "we're gonna eat meat!" its usually a BBQ of some sort. we dont call it a bbq, or we have no other special name for it. We just say "goki" which means meat. You should stop by a korean restaurant and try some gal bi with kimchi man~

Kurara
2003-12-06, 03:14
I don't think anime only represents how Japan really is, but how humans really are in general too. Also, it represents the author's point of view. If a guy has always been around really nice girls, he's going to always make nice female characters. If a guy thinks most girls are evil, most of his characters are going to be mean ^_^;; It's that way with american comics too I think..

What kind of bothers me about when we compare America to Japan.. Is that most people think Japanese people are more attractive and better than Americans.. Or I hear things like: "Japanese girls are like this" "American girls are like that" "Japanese people are that way, unlike american people" etc.. I think it's a generalization ^^;;..

.. No?

Mr. Bushido
2003-12-06, 03:29
I don't think anime only represents how Japan really is, but how humans really are in general too. Also, it represents the author's point of view. If a guy has always been around really nice girls, he's going to always make nice female characters. If a guy thinks most girls are evil, most of his characters are going to be mean ^_^;; It's that way with american comics too I think..

What kind of bothers me about when we compare America to Japan.. Is that most people think Japanese people are more attractive and better than Americans.. Or I hear things like: "Japanese girls are like this" "American girls are like that" "Japanese people are that way, unlike american people" etc.. I think it's a generalization ^^;;..

.. No?


uh... maybe saying all american grls are so and so, and all japanese are so and so is bad, but opinions are not. And since americans are a wide varity of ppl including japanese, korean, chinese, hispanics, europeans and etc. u cant really judge "american" cuz tats not nationality. Its a country. No one is pure pure american except the native americans.

kj1980
2003-12-06, 06:03
the average death age of japanese women is 110. and for men its 80.

Though it is true that the Japanese have the highest life span in the world, your numbers are highly exaggerated. It is 77 for males, and 84 for females.

Cuz all they eat is fish, vegatables, and rice. This also leads to japanese ppl being the world's smallest nation.

Actually, the shortest would be Zaire, due to the nature of them having the world's shortest tribe - the Efe Pygmies, where the average male has a height of 137 cm (4 feet 6 inches) and 135 cm for female (4 feet 5 inches). In contrast, the highest is also in Africa - Burundi, as they have the they have the world' tallest tribe - the Watutsi Hutus.

an average japanese male is 5'4~5'3.

The World Health Organization show the average Japanese male to be 170.8 cm (5 feet 7 inches) and female to be 158.6 cm (5 feet 2 inches)

The japanese used to call the koreans "chosunjin" meaning the "people of the Chosun" The chosun dynasty ended by the time the japanese called us tat.

Actually, we called you in reference to your kingdom, not the dynasty. After Shilla fell, the second unified state of Koryo was formed, and when General Yi Song-gye took control - he renamed the kingdom as Choson as he moved the capital from Kaesong to present-day Seoul. We have been using the term "Chosenjin" since the age of Toyotomi Hideyoshi's invasion back in the 15th century. It was the Yi Dynasty that ruled the second unified Korea under the name of Choson. If I am not mistaken, it was the "Choson Imperial Army" led by Adm. Yi Su-Shin who defeated Hideyoshi's forces with "turtle" ships, am I not correct? And were it not the same Yi family successors Yi Kojong and Yi Songjong under the Choson Kingdom at the turn of the 20th century? Technically, speaking, by the time we were calling the people as "chosenjin", the Choson Kingdom did exist, as meaning "people of the Choson kingdom" ("chosen" - Choson, "jin" people; much like "ilbon-in" "ilbo" = Nippon, "in" = people)

Though, under the brutal protectorate annexation/occupation of Korea from 1905-1945, it is plausible that the term "chosenjin" has equated to a derogatory term. But, rest assured, you did refer to yourselves from the Chosun Peninsula, under the three kingdoms of Koguryo, Paekche, and Silla and throughout the Chosun Kingdom era under Yi family rule. And still, North Korea still refers to themselves as "Choson Minjujui Inmin Kyowaguk" (DPRK) in reference to the time that Koguryo (the part that they are) had once unified Korea under the name of Choson. Hence, unless some conservative politician makes a quip, we refer the people of the south as "kankokujin" ("kankoku" = "hanguk" + "jin"), while the north as "chosenjin" (you'll actually be surprised by the number of North Korean residents in Japan who actually takes pride that they should be called "chosenjin" as "they were the true unifiers of Korea," and "we did it once, we - the DPRK, under the guidance of the Great Leader Kim Il Song and Dear Leader Kim Jong-il, will once again create a true Choson nation")

bad island japan is. Typhoons, tidal waves, EARTHQUAKES. i think its hard to raise livestock there...

Actually, if you come from the same Confucian/Lao-Tzu thought shared by each of our nations, you will understand that during those ages, it was considered lowly to eat an animal that walked on four legs. Of course, gradually this has dissipated by the middle of the 12th century. However, much of that ideology did continue in Japan, as the people who prepares such meat were given to the lowest caste of the social ladder - the burakumin. As much as it seems, Japan is a very long nation (roughly the size of the State of California), which the climate can vary from sub-tropical in Okinawa to semi-arctic in Hokkaido. Cows were initially used as a major help to plow and sow rice fields. With the introduction of Western ideology and delicacies, Japan was introduction of cattle meat as a source of food. Grazing a land is one of the important aspects of raising cattle herds, and the most prominent choice that was given in Japan was a region in southern Hokkaido (where the overall climate is rather mild and fair) and Kobe in middle Honshu (where the moist and humid air creates an excellent source of food to raise one of the best cattle meat in the world).

Actually, the price of meat has dropped dramatically in the past 30 years. What anime makes reference to is usually when the animators themselves saw that meat as something special when they were children. Nowadays, meat is meat, used just as regularly as fish and rice. Although, some elderly people disdain the fact that once Japanese start eating like Westerners, they will lose their stance in being the most healthiest and most longetivity nation in the world.

Mr. Bushido
2003-12-06, 16:23
Though it is true that the Japanese have the highest life span in the world, your numbers are highly exaggerated. It is 77 for males, and 84 for females.



Actually, the shortest would be Zaire, due to the nature of them having the world's shortest tribe - the Efe Pygmies, where the average male has a height of 137 cm (4 feet 6 inches) and 135 cm for female (4 feet 5 inches). In contrast, the highest is also in Africa - Burundi, as they have the they have the world' tallest tribe - the Watutsi Hutus.



The World Health Organization show the average Japanese male to be 170.8 cm (5 feet 7 inches) and female to be 158.6 cm (5 feet 2 inches)



Actually, we called you in reference to your kingdom, not the dynasty. After Shilla fell, the second unified state of Koryo was formed, and when General Yi Song-gye took control - he renamed the kingdom as Choson as he moved the capital from Kaesong to present-day Seoul. We have been using the term "Chosenjin" since the age of Toyotomi Hideyoshi's invasion back in the 15th century. It was the Yi Dynasty that ruled the second unified Korea under the name of Choson. If I am not mistaken, it was the "Choson Imperial Army" led by Adm. Yi Su-Shin who defeated Hideyoshi's forces with "turtle" ships, am I not correct? And were it not the same Yi family successors Yi Kojong and Yi Songjong under the Choson Kingdom at the turn of the 20th century? Technically, speaking, by the time we were calling the people as "chosenjin", the Choson Kingdom did exist, as meaning "people of the Choson kingdom" ("chosen" - Choson, "jin" people; much like "ilbon-in" "ilbo" = Nippon, "in" = people)

Though, under the brutal protectorate annexation/occupation of Korea from 1905-1945, it is plausible that the term "chosenjin" has equated to a derogatory term. But, rest assured, you did refer to yourselves from the Chosun Peninsula, under the three kingdoms of Koguryo, Paekche, and Silla and throughout the Chosun Kingdom era under Yi family rule. And still, North Korea still refers to themselves as "Choson Minjujui Inmin Kyowaguk" (DPRK) in reference to the time that Koguryo (the part that they are) had once unified Korea under the name of Choson. Hence, unless some conservative politician makes a quip, we refer the people of the south as "kankokujin" ("kankoku" = "hanguk" + "jin"), while the north as "chosenjin" (you'll actually be surprised by the number of North Korean residents in Japan who actually takes pride that they should be called "chosenjin" as "they were the true unifiers of Korea," and "we did it once, we - the DPRK, under the guidance of the Great Leader Kim Il Song and Dear Leader Kim Jong-il, will once again create a true Choson nation")



Actually, if you come from the same Confucian/Lao-Tzu thought shared by each of our nations, you will understand that during those ages, it was considered lowly to eat an animal that walked on four legs. Of course, gradually this has dissipated by the middle of the 12th century. However, much of that ideology did continue in Japan, as the people who prepares such meat were given to the lowest caste of the social ladder - the burakumin. As much as it seems, Japan is a very long nation (roughly the size of the State of California), which the climate can vary from sub-tropical in Okinawa to semi-arctic in Hokkaido. Cows were initially used as a major help to plow and sow rice fields. With the introduction of Western ideology and delicacies, Japan was introduction of cattle meat as a source of food. Grazing a land is one of the important aspects of raising cattle herds, and the most prominent choice that was given in Japan was a region in southern Hokkaido (where the overall climate is rather mild and fair) and Kobe in middle Honshu (where the moist and humid air creates an excellent source of food to raise one of the best cattle meat in the world).

Actually, the price of meat has dropped dramatically in the past 30 years. What anime makes reference to is usually when the animators themselves saw that meat as something special when they were children. Nowadays, meat is meat, used just as regularly as fish and rice. Although, some elderly people disdain the fact that once Japanese start eating like Westerners, they will lose their stance in being the most healthiest and most longetivity nation in the world.

there were somethings u misunderstood from my post, but i learned a lot from ur post.

i wasnt counting the african tribes, dont ask me why, i just forgot their names. I knew there were midgets in africa. pygmies, couldnt remember the name.

i never said chosunjin was an insult, but during WW2 japanese ppl used that as an insult. LIke koreans were inferior.

really tho?? i thought the japanese were smaller than the chinese. CHina must be starving more than i thought.

genetically china's average warrior was about 5 ft... 7~9 during ancient times. Japanese Samurais which came in 1400s were about 5 ft 7~9 as well. The korean samurangs and hwarang warriors (Circa BC 87 in koguryo period) were the biggest warriors in asia with heights up to 8ft tall.

Correct me if im wrong: Admiral (not general) Yi Sun Shin was about 8ft __ inches and his sword was about 5ft long. he was the admiral that died fighting japan with his new turtle ships, the frst ironclads of the world.


chosun period was really great, korea was strong than. I perfer the Koguryo tho, since they conquered up to half of china.

hmm maybe we should create an asian history thread in general chat section. Here in USA world history and Euro history are the samething. Most of the world does not know asian history well.


hey btw: since ur japanese i got a question.
is kanji really important in the language?? I speak korean do u think that helps?

vio5555
2003-12-06, 17:36
Damn, you have to take trains, I dont know what I would do without a car, its just so liberating to drive, I drive like 50-100 miles at least each day.

FMPFaN83
2003-12-06, 17:51
And now for a Canadian prespective <--- Not to be confused with an AMERICAN

Quote: BTW: 97% of the ppl who ate dog unknownigly LOVED it (including me). Americans too. when they find out tho. 70% of the americans throw up or get sick, the other 30% just eats. and 80% of that 30% that eats is because they like the taste. 20% is becuase they dont care wat it is.

-- they should have been warned out of respect for thier culture--

American Culture --- Oximoron lol kidding :)

You can't expect tolerence from somebody if you don't start lol i know its america but still ;) haven't we all learned to forgive um for that :P

Meat is meat i can understand eating it if its what avaiable, but its a cultural thing here in the west not to eat dog ;) it be like me walking into an eastern person's house with my shoes on. I know its not a food comparison but a good cultural comparison... its just not done.

Statistics are all fine and good but they are usually an average ;) which means you have most ppl coming in above and below. Plus in most first world countries its not that much a difference, lol we go when we go ;)

BTW who cares about all these racial stats... im over 6'0ft it doesn't make me any more or less a man then a guy whose 4'10. Lol my dad is a short guy ;) <-- seems to be a growing trend. I dont know what thier putting in the water...

And English Cusine is the biggest oximoron out there...

I'm not bashing just putting in my 2 cents lol... Beside Japans beautiful I wanna see it asides from pics, its on my life list ;)

Im done:)

America btw much love from you north neighbour please dont blow us up :P

Lord Raiden
2003-12-06, 18:03
I've lived in towns where you either burned up a tank a day fighting the gridlock, or you took the trains. Trust me, the trains are much better. I could get into the center of town and back out in 30 minutes by train of 4-5 hours either way by car. So I took the train. ^_^

Go-lytely
2003-12-06, 23:41
i wasnt counting the african tribes, dont ask me why, i just forgot their names. I knew there were midgets in africa. pygmies, couldnt remember the name.

i never said chosunjin was an insult, but during WW2 japanese ppl used that as an insult. LIke koreans were inferior.

really tho?? i thought the japanese were smaller than the chinese. CHina must be starving more than i thought.

genetically china's average warrior was about 5 ft... 7~9 during ancient times. Japanese Samurais which came in 1400s were about 5 ft 7~9 as well. The korean samurangs and hwarang warriors (Circa BC 87 in koguryo period) were the biggest warriors in asia with heights up to 8ft tall.

Correct me if im wrong: Admiral (not general) Yi Sun Shin was about 8ft __ inches and his sword was about 5ft long. he was the admiral that died fighting japan with his new turtle ships, the frst ironclads of the world.


chosun period was really great, korea was strong than. I perfer the Koguryo tho, since they conquered up to half of china.

hmm maybe we should create an asian history thread in general chat section. Here in USA world history and Euro history are the samething. Most of the world does not know asian history well.


The tales of Admiral Yi or the Hwarang knights being 8 feet tall were "tall tales" (forgive the pun) used to boost morale and scare the enemy. There are no written records as to how tall Admiral Yi was but there were plenty of stories that said he was 8 feet tall and breathed fire. Even to this day, the positive things in Korean history are still told with some "spin". One of my parents friends had a great anecdote about his school days. "The teachers always went on about the 5 times Korea defeated China but they never told you about the 11 wars that they lost."

On a separate note. I was in Korea last year and I was suprised how cheap it was to eat out compared to dining out in America. 10,000 won (~$10) can feed a party of two easily and I'm not talking about some hole in the wall place. Considering that Korea imports most of their beef it was suprising to me. I must have eaten beef (bulgogi,kalbi, etc.) every night but I still somehow lost weight. I think there is some merit to the Atkins diet. The most expensive places were the American chain restaurants like Pizza Hut. If you ever have a chance to eat kalbi pizza I highly recommend it.


hey btw: since ur japanese i got a question.
is kanji really important in the language?? I speak korean do u think that helps?

Personally, I think knowing Korean helps a lot in understanding Japanese. Not that the vocabulary is similar, which it isnt, but there are a lot of grammatical similarities and a cultural mindset that is similar. Korean and Japanese are the only two languages that use a object-verb-subject structure and they both have different levels of politeness in which a speaker can use. This is a characteristic of how the two cultures had a similar sharply defined social-strata. Back to the original question, if you dont know kanji and only hiragana and katakana you will be illiterate and stuck to reading kids books. Speaking Korean doesnt help in learning how to read Japanese. Its too bad Japan never adopted an alphabet like hangul, it would make learning the language so much easier.

Orchunter226
2003-12-07, 03:32
man you guys are off topic but o well i must join in. Man must not be many americans here. But im american and i am very open minded about food as are all the people i know. Hell if someone was standing next to me and i was starving to death they better run far far away.(as you can tell im not very religous) In my area there are many asians and they seem to be much happier here then they were in asia, and they like the food, so you all need to calm down and get on topic. You guys should create new thread for this stuff. :topicoff:

Why in anime do the people never really talk about the rest of the world they act if japan is the center of the world and are not active in politics. Is this somewhat true in real life? Do most japanese people not pay attention to politics? (ive noticed that almost all americans are active in politics we all think we are president lol and most of our movies seem to include rest of world in some way)

Thelastguardian
2003-12-07, 04:17
1. Charecters in anime's tend to have rapid mood swings. Like for example, I've seen women go from being sweet, gentle and kind to wanting to kill you and use your head as a rugby ball all within 5 seconds of each other.

Well I have more rapid mood swings than any anime characters you will ever see (sometimes people ask if I am alway like that). It really depends on the person you are talking about. For exmp. most Japanese I know don't have that rapid mood swing. Its just popular to see those things in anime (sort of like pistol-carrying hero rush into a base and wipe everyone up in hollywood movies).
PS most american thinks canadian are tree-hugging hippies who lives in forests and drink untreated water ;)

2. Itetakemasu (sp?) is used both in anime and real life (as far as I can tell) and many of the eating customs are portrayed correctly in most anime.

Why shouldnt they, the main audience of animes are those 300mil japanese in japan(sry I forgot the # ).

3. I've noticed that shoes are left at the door whenever you come in, and in HS and some businesses, you have "indoor shoes" and "outdoor shoes". I'm guessing it has something to do with hygene.

Once I almost got spank by forgetting to do that :D . As I said this is just Japanese costume. You get your own slipper (usually fluffy one nowaday ;) ) and if it ever get dirty, you just change another one. As I said this is japanese costume, Chinese and others (malay. etc.) have nothing like it.

4. While many of the charecters in Anime have a "Western" appearence, it's nowhere near real life japanese people. At least not that I can see.

I don't see every American looks like the Simpson or King of the Hill or Micky Mouse. They draw anime like that because people (including me) think its cute.

1. Do people in Japan react so knee jerk like anime charecters do to people who give any hint of being perverted in any way? Do those people become social outcasts for that?

As far as I know, every cultures are like that. Well most people (usually guys) just snicker regradless if they are american, japanese, chinese, korean, canadian etc. And if you think about it, why shouldnt people who shows pervertness become social outcasts (girls don't like perverts....except slutty one I guess).

2. How does the majority of people get around in Japan? I've seen a lot of cars being shown in Anime, but there seems to be a huge emphasis on public transportation and bikes too. Is that true in real life Japan?

When one of my Japanese friend hear I drive to get to school, he blinked and laugh :-\ Here are the methods most Jap uses to get to their destination: Train, walk, bus, bike. If you own car(s) in Japanese you are consider very rich :).

3. I've also noticed that physical fitness seems to be drilled into everyone to some extent, especialy martial arts and most especially in HS, but definately after HS as well. You almost never see a school day in a japanese HS that doesn't include some kind of PE, regardless of the grade. Is that accurate to what is normally shown in anime or is it overstated or understated?

Well one of the common sterotype about American is their fitness. You tell me if all Americans are fit as a bull. Obviously not. You can say this as one of the law of anime: in PE usually something exciting will happen.

4. Is there really a law stating at what age someone can get married?

Again its just culture. Any woman thats over 27 and still single in jap are consider "old nun" (something like that). Culture encourage women to marry a good husband early and take care of the family.

5. Is politeness really taken to the extremes I've seen in anime? I know that it is always a good idea to be polite no matter what, but in anime they seem to go to extremes to be polite and I'm wondering if it's the same way in real life Japan.

Japs are famous for their politness. Anime actually portrait this trait pretty accuratly.

notice how the nearsightness was just uncommon on koreans. Sorry i didnt make that clear. Chinese have bigger eyes, koreans have better vision. Its because: Koreans were like the huns if they were not the huns themselves. And archery was the key weapon of korea until the firearms were introduced. Even today by stats koreans are the best archers in the world. (uve seen the olympics right?) Also kimchi, the korean pepper (which we put in everything) are so rich in vitamin C it gives us REALLY good eyesight. Koreans depended on archery A LOT, especially because we had few ppl. Engineering and sniping became trademarks of Korea until the imperial age. Although koreans were farmers as well, we had to depend on archery. I only have one good eye (the other is blind almost) and my vision and depth preception is better than that of most half blind ppl, and even better than average ppl.
Korea has yet to lose in female archery competion and team archery of both gender. 2000 olympic female archery went like this: gold: korea silver : korea bronze: korea. Team: Gold : korea. silver: forgot i think it was germany. bronze: i think it was america. even if koreans are nearsighted, the stereotype of us being horrible shooter is FAR from the truth

as for china and japan, i do not know very well... haha.

im not stereotyping, its just in general. Its because the japanese culture have made the women like that well into the 80s.


Yes its true that Korean depnds a lot on archery, but scientificly these traits cant be inherit. Practice makes perfect you know, just like how chinese people used to do king fu (nowaday only a handful of chinese know king fu). On scientific scale, the genetic similarity of Asians are too similar to have any meaningful conclusion. Only external factors can creat differences.

I make my own kimchi because I am too lazy to buy the commerical one. I put for exp. cabage, vinegar, saurces, peppers, and god-know-what-else into the jar, seal it for 2 weeks for the acid to soak in, and eat it. You can't eat kimchi on its own as it is too sour. But just as soy saurces they make excellent by-foods.

As for eating dogs I once got trick into them :) , I continued eating them after finding out (I throw up on cats, and rats though). Doesnt the french like to eat the snail as desert? Same idea here. The only difference is no one like snails, thus no one stand up for them.

Well of course. Who wants to eat Fido?

:D how did they find all those dogs anyway :D

If I remember correctly Japan had invaded Korea for where before 1500s, and the Korea asked Chinese to help? Not sure on the dates but saying one race is superior than the other is just pure bs. Just as the "asians are smart""american are arragont but strong""french sucks". I don't believe in these craps. Those battles depends on the technology level of each nation (Age of Empire 2?).

kj1980
2003-12-07, 05:28
genetically china's average warrior was about 5 ft... 7~9 during ancient times. Japanese Samurais which came in 1400s were about 5 ft 7~9 as well. The korean samurangs and hwarang warriors (Circa BC 87 in koguryo period) were the biggest warriors in asia with heights up to 8ft tall.

Again, you are combining analects with history. If you love history, I will want you to take the first course in the University that you get as a history class...and learn the differences between primary and secodary sources. Learn how history is written - what is used to "describe" history and which ones are used to "record" history.

I am not going to refute your statement on the tales of the mighty Koguryo samurangs or the fierce Silla hwarang warriors as being 8 feet tall, as they are are an important aspect of describing ancient Korean history.

I will dispute the fact that you are you are using the reference of a secondary source as a means of defining a recorded history. Your usage is quite dangerous in a historian standpoint - it is analogous to say "the bear and the tiger in the cave eating nothing but garlic, the tiger becoming human and giving birth to Tangun" is true, much as "the two divine gods dipped a sword into the ocean, and the rocks that fell became the four islands of Japan." Are these true? No, it is a myth. BUT, it is a VERY IMPORTANT aspect of Korean and Japanese history in DESCRIBING the nature of history - but not as RECORDED history.

A word of advice in your quest to further history knowledge - learn the five rules that you must remember when one tries to define history by a usage of a source:

1. Motive and goal of the author (or painter, etc.)
2. Arguments and strategies she or he uses to achieve those goals
3. Presuppositions and values
4. Epistemology (evaluating truth content)
5. Relate to other texts (compare and contrast)

And I cannot further stress #5 in recording history - history cannot be made by an one-sided view - especially if such source is of a secondary and tertiary medium. If the samurangs of Koryo and hwarangs of Silla were indeed 8 feet tall, are there any "recorded" documents saying that they indeed were from the Paekche point of view? Much like the Japanese daimyo warlords were have been said that they were "bullish and of mightiest strength that can uplift a whole mountain."


hey btw: since ur japanese i got a question.
is kanji really important in the language?? I speak korean do u think that helps?

I'm sorry, I do not understand the question at hand. Please elaborate.


Personally, I think knowing Korean helps a lot in understanding Japanese. Not that the vocabulary is similar, which it isnt, but there are a lot of grammatical similarities and a cultural mindset that is similar. Korean and Japanese are the only two languages that use a object-verb-subject structure and they both have different levels of politeness in which a speaker can use. This is a characteristic of how the two cultures had a similar sharply defined social-strata. Back to the original question, if you dont know kanji and only hiragana and katakana you will be illiterate and stuck to reading kids books. Speaking Korean doesnt help in learning how to read Japanese. Its too bad Japan never adopted an alphabet like hangul, it would make learning the language so much easier.

Umm, first our languages are defined by "Subject-object-verb." In linguistic terms, we are classified into the SOV category (Japanese, Korean, several Altaic languages, Turkish, Kazak, Mongolian)

example:
"Kare wa anime ga suki"
Kare = he (second person subject), anime (noun/object), suki = love (action verb)

"Chonun, ilbon-nin imnida"
Cho = I (first person subject), ilbon-nin = Japanese (noun/object)
imnida = am (defining one's action of being; action verb)

Second of all, the hiragana and katakana writings are an official "alphabet" consisting of 50 words, which are directly derived as a shorthand of the basic Chinese letters that was in use in the upper class of the Heian era. The hiragana and katakana alphabets were actually invented by women of the aristocracy - who were forbidden to learn to write Chinese scripts as those were relageted to the male elite. The most famouse "secondary" source info is that the Heian female novelist Murasaki Shikibu had a great story in her mind, but since she was not allowed to record her thoughts in Chinese kanji - she came up with a simplified alphabet consisting of 50 phonetical words derived from the basic kanjis in use at the time. This was the "in tale form," the intro of the hiragana alphabet system, and Ms. Shikibu went on to create the word's first long series novel - "The Tale of Genji."

By your stance, you refer to "an alphabet" as something that is used entirely on its own. Ah, there in lies the misnomer, as in fact an "alphabet" is merely a method used to write down something and not to be used as something that is "original" or not. Take for example, the Korean hangul - it is composed as a combination of the boshi (parent sound) and the koshi (child sound), albeit leave the pakchims out of the picture. Japan's hiragana and katakana systems are derived from the shorthand of the kanji. Both alphabet systems, Korean and Japanese, even the Chinese kanji pictoral scripts are unique in the own definitive way - a beautiful mastery of one's definitive culture of the East Asian world. Throw in Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Sanskrit, Arabic, Thai, Viet...each has its own alphabet system, derived from many different methos and ways. If your statement was impliued to portray a superiority of the Korean alphabet system as a means to signify that the Korean language is original in its own way...well, all alphabet systems in the world are original in its own way. They are all beautiful and creative - a great invention made by lexicographers and penmanship handed down throughout the ages. Point taken that it is difficult to learn to "write" Japanese - but not to speak the language itself. But then again, what better way is there to learn a language than going and living in that country itself? Is it that much of a big deal to understand how easy the writing is - or is it much more important to visit a nation and understanding the culture - respecting the cultural differences that one sees and opening your mind to broader world view?

JohnArk
2003-12-07, 08:20
What? You mean Animes aren't real??? And here I was running my life like an anime. Saying Itatakimasu before eating. Speaking somewhat-bad japanese with my friends. Punching myself in the nose when I see a hot chick to force my nose to bleed. Always bringing a water bottle with myself so when I feel embaressed I can simulate a tear-drop falling off my head.

Ya know what I wanna know? How in the world did they come up with the stuff you see in animes like Full Metal Panic, Da Capo, Naruto, etc...

Archuka
2003-12-07, 15:18
I'm sorry, I do not understand the question at hand. Please elaborate.


I think he wants to know how well you can communicate by writing if you only know hiragana and katakana. And probably also how important it is to know kanji when reading written Japanese.

I'm no expert, but as far as I know, only Kid's books don't use kanji. I suppose you could write in only hiragana and katakana and any Japanese person would still understand it, though.

Go-lytely
2003-12-07, 16:29
Umm, first our languages are defined by "Subject-object-verb." In linguistic terms, we are classified into the SOV category (Japanese, Korean, several Altaic languages, Turkish, Kazak, Mongolian)

Actually there are some schools of thought that say Korean and Japanese are unrelated to the altaic languages.


example:
"Kare wa anime ga suki"
Kare = he (second person subject), anime (noun/object), suki = love (action verb)

"Chonun, ilbon-nin imnida"
Cho = I (first person subject), ilbon-nin = Japanese (noun/object)
imnida = am (defining one's action of being; action verb)

My apologies, I made a typo as I was thinking subject-object-verb, but wrote object-verb-subject instead.


Second of all, the hiragana and katakana writings are an official "alphabet" consisting of 50 words, which are directly derived as a shorthand of the basic Chinese letters that was in use in the upper class of the Heian era. The hiragana and katakana alphabets were actually invented by women of the aristocracy - who were forbidden to learn to write Chinese scripts as those were relageted to the male elite. The most famouse "secondary" source info is that the Heian female novelist Murasaki Shikibu had a great story in her mind, but since she was not allowed to record her thoughts in Chinese kanji - she came up with a simplified alphabet consisting of 50 phonetical words derived from the basic kanjis in use at the time. This was the "in tale form," the intro of the hiragana alphabet system, and Ms. Shikibu went on to create the word's first long series novel - "The Tale of Genji."

Actually, I already knew this. :)


By your stance, you refer to "an alphabet" as something that is used entirely on its own. Ah, there in lies the misnomer, as in fact an "alphabet" is merely a method used to write down something and not to be used as something that is "original" or not. Take for example, the Korean hangul - it is composed as a combination of the boshi (parent sound) and the koshi (child sound), albeit leave the pakchims out of the picture. Japan's hiragana and katakana systems are derived from the shorthand of the kanji. Both alphabet systems, Korean and Japanese, even the Chinese kanji pictoral scripts are unique in the own definitive way - a beautiful mastery of one's definitive culture of the East Asian world. Throw in Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Sanskrit, Arabic, Thai, Viet...each has its own alphabet system, derived from many different methos and ways. If your statement was impliued to portray a superiority of the Korean alphabet system as a means to signify that the Korean language is original in its own way...well, all alphabet systems in the world are original in its own way. They are all beautiful and creative - a great invention made by lexicographers and penmanship handed down throughout the ages. Point taken that it is difficult to learn to "write" Japanese - but not to speak the language itself. But then again, what better way is there to learn a language than going and living in that country itself? Is it that much of a big deal to understand how easy the writing is - or is it much more important to visit a nation and understanding the culture - respecting the cultural differences that one sees and opening your mind to broader world view?

I think you've taken my statement out of context as I never meant to imply any superiority. No, you dont have to learn how to write to speak any language but writing is an important form of communication and it could be argued is just as important as speaking. Could you really understand a culture if you never read any of the great Japanese literary works or were unable to read a newspaper? I think it would be very difficult. I was arguing that kanji is a cumbersome, inflexible and inefficient method of writing and that an alphabet, no matter what alphabet Korean, Greek, Latin or Arabic benefits everyone. It used to be that learning kanji was only a privilege of the rich aristocracy while the masses were left to toil in illiteracy. With a benefit of an alphabet the masses can learn how to write quickly and with very little time involved. Even today, a Chinese student spends many more hours studying learning how to write than a Japanese or Korean student just because of the thousands of kanji. Also, it is much harder to introduce foreign words in kanji. At least Japanese has katakana to simplify things.

Lord Raiden
2003-12-07, 17:25
Yeah, I agree. The lack of understanding of Kanji isn't so much a handycap for the writer as it is for the reader. You can scate by with knowing the basics when writing, but it don't even begin to cut it when reading.

Loki_Sama
2003-12-07, 17:43
Just wanting to build some general comparisons between Anime and Real Life in Japan. Things that are correct, things that are way off, things that are obviously different, or very similar. Here's a few I've noticed and have questions about or made some general observations on.

Observations:
1. Charecters in anime's tend to have rapid mood swings. Like for example, I've seen women go from being sweet, gentle and kind to wanting to kill you and use your head as a rugby ball all within 5 seconds of each other. :eek:

2. Itetakemasu (sp?) is used both in anime and real life (as far as I can tell) and many of the eating customs are portrayed correctly in most anime.

3. I've noticed that shoes are left at the door whenever you come in, and in HS and some businesses, you have "indoor shoes" and "outdoor shoes". I'm guessing it has something to do with hygene.

4. While many of the charecters in Anime have a "Western" appearence, it's nowhere near real life japanese people. At least not that I can see.

Questions:
1. Do people in Japan react so knee jerk like anime charecters do to people who give any hint of being perverted in any way? Do those people become social outcasts for that?

2. How does the majority of people get around in Japan? I've seen a lot of cars being shown in Anime, but there seems to be a huge emphasis on public transportation and bikes too. Is that true in real life Japan?

3. I've also noticed that physical fitness seems to be drilled into everyone to some extent, especialy martial arts and most especially in HS, but definately after HS as well. You almost never see a school day in a japanese HS that doesn't include some kind of PE, regardless of the grade. Is that accurate to what is normally shown in anime or is it overstated or understated?

4. Is there really a law stating at what age someone can get married?

5. Is politeness really taken to the extremes I've seen in anime? I know that it is always a good idea to be polite no matter what, but in anime they seem to go to extremes to be polite and I'm wondering if it's the same way in real life Japan.

6. Playing back on question one under the observations, is that anything like how people react in real life Japan or not? I would suspect not, but I'm gonna play dumb and ask anyways. ^_^

Well, that's all I have for now. I'm sure I'll have more, but that's a few to start. Feel free to share your observations and questions too as I'm sure others will enjoy the info. :)


OMG dude.........WTF is this? im sorry but i dont get your point at all.......
its like if u wanna compare................. jacki chan VS GOKU (DBZ)
dude that is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay of reality.......y cant compare reality and fiction.....that is just plain stupid......fiction is made so ppl can scape reality for a moment, and enjoy that......relief stress and other stuff......OMG......

Mr. Bushido
2003-12-07, 21:45
secondary sources??? im sorry i shouldve told u my sources...

when i was 6 or 7 i went to the official Admiral Yi Sun Shin museum. Saw the armour AND sword personally.

i take college European History this year (im am 11th grader, or 2nd yr high school in japanese terms) i know enough about history. But when ure raised in America, asian history is VERY limited. (internet is too unreliable)

Most Korean and i think Japanese college graduates can read Chinese. I bought a book and in the cover it had chinese writing (Sun Tzu's Art of War) and i told my dad it was Sun Tzu, but he didnt know who that was. But when he read the cover, he said "Oooo... ____ i know" (the blank is korean pronounciation of Sun Tzu's art of war) Its hard to learn hanmun and kanji (are they the exact same? cause that would HELP ALOT, since my parents can read it)

i have a japanese card captor book, it was the only worthwhile suvounier in Little Tokyo (they have nothing over there... they had to set up a korean restaurant......) and every kanji (yes i can tell the difference between the 3 "alphabets") there was hiragana in small writing above it. Do they do that a lot? or was it because CCS is aimed towards younger kids as well?

Ya know what I wanna know? How in the world did they come up with the stuff you see in animes like Full Metal Panic, Da Capo, Naruto, etc...

same with disney, marvel and DC. who frst made ZzZzZ a sleeping symbol? and why? other examples are there... but i just cant think right now. (no im not high or drunk, just tired)

maxthelostboy
2003-12-07, 22:37
howcome you never really see people in animes who are african ?
some series have them but they have very little roles.

Kempis Curious
2003-12-07, 23:30
howcome you never really see people in animes who are african ?
some series have them but they have very little roles.

Do you mean of Africans actually from sub-saharan africa, or just people of black African descent? Of the latter there sure are more representing that group than... say Latin Americans, Native Americans, Australian Aboriginals, and maybe East Indians. (Some animes I can think of off the top of my head are Macross, Macross Zero, Cowboy Bebop, Blood the Last Vampire, ummm... )

But anyways, I'd bet people of African descent only get portrayed as much as they are only because they are the largest and most identifiable minority in American movies and television. I'm just glad the Japanese animators have stopped drawing them with big, pink lips. That really bugged me. :mad:

-k

Mr. Bushido
2003-12-08, 02:20
I'm just glad the Japanese animators have stopped drawing them with big, pink lips. That really bugged me. :mad:


Of course they also did the stupid blond white guy usually from america or Germany. Every western guy happens to be stupid in asian anime, and as you say the black ppl come out with giant lips and nose.... tat is bad it sucks of course.... But its not very common anymore, u noticed of course??

so why is it tat in american cartoons asians still come out as super chinky eyed ppl with horrible english and a stupid accent? my english is better than most ppl in my school and the local community college schools! none of my family members have super small chinky eyes!
and comedy central loves to make fun of asians. black comedians mostly.

Duh? think about WHY the japanese do it, its retaliation, not an attack. At least they kept it to cartoon form rather than nuclear bombs from Enola Gay.

FinFangFoom
2003-12-08, 03:51
O.K I'm kind of late comming into this one but iv'e read almost every post (except ones about eyesight and writing)

What kind of bothers me about when we compare America to Japan.. Is that most people think Japanese people are more attractive and better than Americans.. Or I hear things like: "Japanese girls are like this" "American girls are like that" "Japanese people are that way, unlike american people" etc.. I think it's a generalization ^^;;..

.. No?

I don't know about Japanese people being considered more attractive as a whole since i've never meet a white american girl who is obsessed about Japanese or asian men although i'm sure there are a few. But the reason there is probably a large amount of guys obssesed with Japanese and asian women are plenty. The most obvious one (at least for me) is that they have the physical qualities some men find most attractive (dark hair, petite, darker skin thats not to dark). The other big reason is that many men are just stupid. The belief among some men is that Japanese women as well as many other asian cultures, are attracted to western men (which i'm sure is true to some extent but not for the reasons they think, I won't mention the reason they think because it's offensive to asian men) and therefore they believe that if they go over to those countries that they will be like some rockstar with their choice of the crop regardless of the fact that they're out of shap, balding and work as a custodian (true story according to what a middle-aged, balding, fat janitor told my friend).



ZoroI don't see why Americans are foolish for not wanting to eat something they hold in high regard. I think "Man's best friend" is mostly an American or Westerner term.

And don't you ever check your PM box? ;)
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As for how blacks are portrade in anime and videogames, I've figured it's probably because of the fact that most of them have probably never even seen a black person in real life, so they probably have a lot of prejudices. Have you seen that Japanese TV clip of that family walking around saying "WASSUP NIGGA?!" (o.k that was funny :heh: ) But on top of that i've seen it discussed in gaming magazines that it's probably the reason that black character in FFVII talked the way he did. But of course I'm no expert, i'm just talking out of my ass. :p

Mr. Bushido
2003-12-08, 04:09
O.K I'm kind of late comming into this one but iv'e read almost every post (except ones about eyesight and writing)



I don't know about Japanese people being considered more attractive as a whole since i've never meet a white american girl who is obsessed about Japanese or asian men although i'm sure there are a few. But the reason there is probably a large amount of guys obssesed with Japanese and asian women are plenty. The most obvious one (at least for me) is that they have the physical qualities some men find most attractive (dark hair, petite, darker skin thats not to dark). The other big reason is that many men are just stupid. The belief among some men is that Japanese women as well as many other asian cultures, are attracted to western men (which i'm sure is true to some extent but not for the reasons they think, I won't mention the reason they think because it's offensive to asian men) and therefore they believe that if they go over to those countries that they will be like some rockstar with their choice of the crop regardless of the fact that they're out of shap, balding and work as a custodian (true story according to what a middle-aged, balding, fat janitor told my friend).



ZoroI don't see why Americans are foolish for not wanting to eat something they hold in high regard. I think "Man's best friend" is mostly an American or Westerner term.

And don't you ever check your PM box? ;)
__________________________________________________ _______________

As for how blacks are portrade in anime and videogames, I've figured it's probably because of the fact that most of them have probably never even seen a black person in real life, so they probably have a lot of prejudices. Have you seen that Japanese TV clip of that family walking around saying "WASSUP NIGGA?!" (o.k that was funny :heh: ) But on top of that i've seen it discussed in gaming magazines that it's probably the reason that black character in FFVII talked the way he did. But of course I'm no expert, i'm just talking out of my ass. :p

u misunderstood me! i said americans are foolish for doing tat with EVERYTHING new. not just dogs... hahaha

btw: i just checked my PM box. THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANK YOU sooooooooooooo damn much. i already have naruto, but thanks alot, i owe u. when u need back up on a thread (hahaha) ill be there hahaha. Thanks a lot.

Go-lytely
2003-12-08, 12:56
Of course they also did the stupid blond white guy usually from america or Germany. Every western guy happens to be stupid in asian anime, and as you say the black ppl come out with giant lips and nose.... tat is bad it sucks of course.... But its not very common anymore, u noticed of course??

so why is it tat in american cartoons asians still come out as super chinky eyed ppl with horrible english and a stupid accent? my english is better than most ppl in my school and the local community college schools! none of my family members have super small chinky eyes!
and comedy central loves to make fun of asians. black comedians mostly.

Duh? think about WHY the japanese do it, its retaliation, not an attack. At least they kept it to cartoon form rather than nuclear bombs from Enola Gay.

The reason Japanese animators drew them that way was not because of retaliation but because they fell for the same stereotypes that plagued American animators back in the day. If you've ever watched Tom and Jerry they had lots of offensive sterotypes. Every time something exploded in Tom's face they made him look like some black guy. Its amazing that they still show those cartoons today. It looks like political correction has spread across the Pacific because foreigners in anime are portrayed a little more realistically nowadays.

Mr. Bushido
2003-12-08, 13:23
The reason Japanese animators drew them that way was not because of retaliation but because they fell for the same stereotypes that plagued American animators back in the day. If you've ever watched Tom and Jerry they had lots of offensive sterotypes. Every time something exploded in Tom's face they made him look like some black guy. Its amazing that they still show those cartoons today. It looks like political correction has spread across the Pacific because foreigners in anime are portrayed a little more realistically nowadays.

every cartoon and anime has a "hidden" msg for the older audiences.

Rugrats, i heard, is full of them. ive only spotted one since i only watched it once after i grew up.

anyways... why does it matter? its only cartoon. If youre really upset about racism, turn on the channel to comedy central. YEA thats a lot over there. Watch Simpsons, or just about any american comedy shows.

Go-lytely
2003-12-08, 13:31
every cartoon and anime has a "hidden" msg for the older audiences.

Rugrats, i heard, is full of them. ive only spotted one since i only watched it once after i grew up.

anyways... why does it matter? its only cartoon. If youre really upset about racism, turn on the channel to comedy central. YEA thats a lot over there. Watch Simpsons, or just about any american comedy shows.

Actually, I'm not upset by it at all. I was just giving my observations. How do you consider Simpsons offensive?

Mr. Bushido
2003-12-08, 13:47
Actually, I'm not upset by it at all. I was just giving my observations. How do you consider Simpsons offensive?

srry u misunderstood. i was saying that to kempis curious.

anyway: as for simpsons even tho its off topic, ill tell u

it has every stereotype in it. and it has offensive jokes:

"Thats absurd! its like a smart italien!"
"We can do something, or just sit here like the french!"
all asian guys have tat corny accent. Look at Apu thats the ultimate stereotype of an indian liquor store owner. List goes on, but i rather not go thru 300+ eps. haha.
i dont find it offensive really, but kempis complaining about black ppl with big lips on anime is nothing compared to wat ppl have complained about simpsons.

mana.
2007-08-31, 14:58
So even though I love anime/manga, I've never been to Japan.

But I was wondering, since so many anime and manga have somethings, are they true to life in Japanese school life:

1. Do a lot of highschool students/ teens really live on their own as much as they do in the anime/manga? It's like in everyone school life thing I've seen someone is always living on their own, even if it's about 15-16 year olds.

2. Are the rooftops in schools in Japan normal places to hang out?

and last one

3. do they really have fanclubs for popular STUDENTS?

I know random questions, but I keep encountering these same things in numerous anime and manga and they always make me wonder.

Terrestrial Dream
2007-08-31, 15:14
So even though I love anime/manga, I've never been to Japan.

But I was wondering, since so many anime and manga have somethings, are they true to life in Japanese school life:

1. Do a lot of highschool students/ teens really live on their own as much as they do in the anime/manga? It's like in everyone school life thing I've seen someone is always living on their own, even if it's about 15-16 year olds.

2. Are the rooftops in schools in Japan normal places to hang out?

and last one

3. do they really have fanclubs for popular STUDENTS?

I know random questions, but I keep encountering these same things in numerous anime and manga and they always make me wonder. I doubt it, from what I know Tokyo has the one of highest living cost so unless all Japanese kids are rich I doubt it. Also I think Japan also has one of the world highest population density so probably housing would cost a lot.


About the rooftop, they probably do hang around there. Unlike in US shcool in Asia most kids would go to rooftop to eat, or sleep and to cut classes.

I have never heard of popular student club before :confused:

aohige
2007-08-31, 15:14
So even though I love anime/manga, I've never been to Japan.

But I was wondering, since so many anime and manga have somethings, are they true to life in Japanese school life:

1. Do a lot of highschool students/ teens really live on their own as much as they do in the anime/manga? It's like in everyone school life thing I've seen someone is always living on their own, even if it's about 15-16 year olds.

2. Are the rooftops in schools in Japan normal places to hang out?

and last one

3. do they really have fanclubs for popular STUDENTS?

I know random questions, but I keep encountering these same things in numerous anime and manga and they always make me wonder.

1. Of course not. The stereotype of protagonist living alone became popular due to the rising popularity of adult games. Protagonist in most of these games live alone. For the obvious reasons. Having parents will get in the way of covinient sex scenes. :heh:

2. Depends on the school, but yeah, it's a popular place to go in many of the schools. One of the stereotype (but commonly seen in real life) is punk kids sneaking out to skip class to go take a smoke. :rolleyes:
In many schools, rooftops are off-limits to students, but that doesn't stop people from going there. :D

3. No, not really. It's a common joke to declare yourself a fan of a student, by saying "I'm a fan club member". The fan clubs you see in anime are simply exaggeration of those common jokes.

mana.
2007-08-31, 18:19
whooopsss. my bad for starting a new thread.

But thanks for everyone who replied to my question!

Vexx
2007-08-31, 20:38
Mostly you seem to have resurrected from the year 2003 some of the most mind-boggedly stupid posts I've ever had the misfortune to browse :)

Its a good thing I'm better about checking dates (most of these posts are from 2003) before starting to troutslap. I can now say with more confidence that the level of conversation here has improved somewhat since then (though there are still pockets of addled banter).

Kaioshin Sama
2007-09-01, 02:00
Mostly you seem to have resurrected from the year 2003 some of the most mind-boggedly stupid posts I've ever had the misfortune to browse :)

Its a good thing I'm better about checking dates (most of these posts are from 2003) before starting to troutslap. I can now say with more confidence that the level of conversation here has improved somewhat since then (though there are still pockets of addled banter).

I don't know, I never knew the Stone Age was only 4 years ago. My how language has progressed through the Bronze Age of 2004, The Iron Age of 2005, The Modern Age of 2006 and now here we are in The Information Age of 2007 with the power of the dictionary and good prose behind us.

mana.
2007-09-01, 02:09
Mostly you seem to have resurrected from the year 2003 some of the most mind-boggedly stupid posts I've ever had the misfortune to browse :)

Its a good thing I'm better about checking dates (most of these posts are from 2003) before starting to troutslap. I can now say with more confidence that the level of conversation here has improved somewhat since then (though there are still pockets of addled banter).



haha, I actually started a whole, brand new thread and whoever runs the site scolded me and merged it with this one. I've already commited a crime in the first 72 hours I've been here. :p

Cheezy
2007-09-01, 09:57
This thread is a pretty interesting read.

Terrestrial Dream
2007-09-01, 16:03
This thread is a pretty interesting read. From what I seen this topic went off topic fast.

Cheezy
2007-09-01, 19:16
From what I seen this topic went off topic fast.

That doesn't change the fact that it's interesting.

Greenish Growth
2007-09-01, 20:41
I have a couple of questions:

1. Do most Middle and High Schools in Japan have incinerators where trash is burned up?

I see many anime where students have the class chore of dumping trash into the incinerator. Incinerators have been banned in Los Angeles (where I live) since the 1950's and 1960's.

2. Do students leave their "inside shoes" lockers unlocked?

I've seen a lot of anime where someone puts a love letter in there (or they mess up the items in their locker as part of a hazing thing). I don't recall seeing padlocks on shoe lockers. I guess they are just very trusting over there or what? :)

aohige
2007-09-02, 15:18
I have a couple of questions:

1. Do most Middle and High Schools in Japan have incinerators where trash is burned up?

I see many anime where students have the class chore of dumping trash into the incinerator. Incinerators have been banned in Los Angeles (where I live) since the 1950's and 1960's.

2. Do students leave their "inside shoes" lockers unlocked?

I've seen a lot of anime where someone puts a love letter in there (or they mess up the items in their locker as part of a hazing thing). I don't recall seeing padlocks on shoe lockers. I guess they are just very trusting over there or what? :)

Yes, to both of those questions. There are no locks to the shoe cases.

Meiaminkbell
2007-09-06, 16:58
If I am not mistaken, isn't a popular "bullying" crime to take one's indoor/outdoor shoes and hide/destroy them?

Karnot
2007-10-08, 14:16
Well, while studying I got bored, so I took a break, boarded an airplane and know I'm here... that's it basically.

By the way, is it true that its impossible to just come live in Japan ? That you MUST marry a Japanese, or you get kicked out after your work contract is over ?
Any other country in the world you can easily apply for citizenship, but no such thing in Japan, is that so ?

Kyuusai
2007-10-08, 14:57
By the way, is it true that its impossible to just come live in Japan ? That you MUST marry a Japanese, or you get kicked out after your work contract is over ?
Any other country in the world you can easily apply for citizenship, but no such thing in Japan, is that so ?

Like almost any other country in the world, you cannot establish residency in Japan without an employment, student, spouse, or dependent visa. That means you must have a sponsoring employer, student, spouse, or parent, respectively. It also means abiding by the restrictions of that visa while there.

If you violate the terms of your visa (especially overstaying, by even a day), you can be fined severely, barred from reentry for years (or permanently), and almost certainly lose any chance at establishing permanent residency or citizenship later.

Some basics on Japanese immigration. (http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2221.html)

Permanent resident status or citizenship require many years of consecutive Japanese residency, lots of documentation, paperwork, a history of excellent behavior, and a lot of waiting... and there's no guarantee.

Vexx
2007-10-08, 18:58
Immigrating to most countries and becoming a citizen (legally) is pretty difficult. Its just that the Japanese are stricter on enforcement and they really want you to be integrated into society (language, etc). Anyone watching other countries where that integration doesn't happen should see the advantages of being at least on the same page if not on the paragraph.

Karnot
2007-10-09, 01:49
Immigrating to most countries and becoming a citizen (legally) is pretty difficult.
Nevertheless, if i want to go live in France - they wont REQUIRE me to get married to a French. And living on visa is not considered a citizenship, so why you mentioned this i dont know.

Its just that the Japanese are stricter on enforcement and they really want you to be integrated into society (language, etc).
Whats the point ? People will stare at you anyway, no matter how integrated you'll seem to be. Its said that the cops in Japan will always stop a foreigner first, if anything remotely criminal happened around.

Siegel Clyne
2007-10-09, 03:56
The New Multi-Ethnic Japan - Newsweek: International Editions - MSNBC.com

Page 1 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14640269/site/newsweek/page/1/) 2 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14640269/site/newsweek/page/2/) 3 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14640269/site/newsweek/page/3/) 4 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14640269/site/newsweek/page/4/)

This is the New Japan

Immigrants are transforming a once insular society, and more of them are on their way.

And the fundamental consequence, says Arudou, is clear: "We're going to see people who don't look Japanese being Japanese. That's undeniable." Essentially, any foreigner who has lived in Japan for five years, can prove he or she is in good financial health and has no criminal record can petition the Justice Ministry to become a citizen. In reality, the naturalization process is more complicated, and can take about 1 to 2 years to complete.


Five years ago a group of communities with large foreign populations sent a set of urgent policy recommendations to the government. They're still waiting for an answer. And they're not the only ones who are worried. Japan's business leaders are at the forefront of calls for a comprehensive immigration policy. Japan's Health, Labor and Welfare Ministry has predicted that the present work force of 66 million people will decline by 10 million by the year 2030. Before he stepped down earlier this year, the chairman of the Japanese Business Federation, Hiroshi Okuda, made headlines by calling on the country to accept foreign workers "in all business categories."


He might well get his wish, and manage to stay. But if he does, it's in Japan's own interest to respond to the challenge he posesâ€"by making it easier for people who are born in the country to apply for citizenship; by forcing employers to bear some of the costs for social insurance; by making education mandatory for the children of foreigners legally in the country, and by providing resources to ensure that foreign residents learn Japanese. None of those measures may have been all that critical in the Japan of the past. But they're the only way to the future.

Correction: In "This Is the New Japan" (September 11, 2006), we wrote that 15,000 foreigners had been naturalized as Japanese citizens. That is the number naturalized annually. An estimated 400,000 citizens have been naturalized overall. Also, Marutei Tsurunen is not the only naturalized Japanese citizen in the Diet. Renho, formerly of Taiwanese nationality, and Haku Shinkun, formerly of South Korean nationality, also serve in the body.

© 2007 Newsweek, Inc.

Kyuusai
2007-10-09, 09:32
Nevertheless, if i want to go live in France - they wont REQUIRE me to get married to a French. And living on visa is not considered a citizenship, so why you mentioned this i dont know.

Sorry, I misread your question last night (being overly tired is little excuse, but I'm using it as one anyway).

You can, in fact, become a permanent resident or a naturalized citizen in Japan without marrying a Japanese person (although marrying a Japanese person certainly makes it easier). It's not trivial as it is in the United States, though.

You would be interested in these pages:
http://www.debito.org/permres.html
http://www.debito.org/residentspage.html#naturalization

Karnot
2007-10-10, 01:41
Very explicit resourse, my thanks.

Another question. Probably everyone saw Azumanga or Lucky Star. They had sports festivals. And thats high school. But i read somewhere that there are NO sports festivals after elementary school. So wheres the truth ?

Ryougi Shiki
2007-10-10, 01:45
Very explicit resourse, my thanks.

Another question. Probably everyone saw Azumanga or Lucky Star. They had sports festivals. And thats high school. But i read somewhere that there are NO sports festivals after elementary school. So wheres the truth ?

Lucky Star has people born with purple hair.

Karnot
2007-10-10, 04:19
Which has no effect on their daily lives at all. Now, back on topic.

DisavateraMX
2007-10-10, 04:30
Lucky Star has people born with purple hair.

I think you mean to say "how realistic can it get, eh?"

Well, one can't expect too of anime...they have a plot to follow, and fans to please.

Mostly, sports festivals are secondary, the weird goings-ons are the primary. That's anime.
In real life, sports festivals are primary, the weird goings-on are the secondary.

Except when it happens to the sportsmen/women themselves, that is.