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If you look at the Ending of Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny closely at the scene where Captain Ramius is kneeling on the ground. Is it just me or there seems to be something on the ground that looks like Neo's mask.
If you look at the Ending of Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny closely at the scene where Captain Ramius is kneeling on the ground. Is it just me or there seems to be something on the ground that looks like Neo's mask.
Please, don't guess. There is nothing.
Sanjuronord
2004-10-29, 23:52
If you look at the Ending of Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny closely at the scene where Captain Ramius is kneeling on the ground. Is it just me or there seems to be something on the ground that looks like Neo's mask.
She's clearly looking for her contact lens, my conspiracy minded friend. :heh:
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Actually its already been discussed several times. The entire rumour started before the show even started airing. So I'm sure there are other threads that discuss this.
You even brought this topic here? the picture is too dark to prove it's a helmet....
You even brought this topic here? the picture is too dark to prove it's a helmet....
Ya. It is a little too dark, but as for it being a helmet... I thought Klueze's mask was made of metal too. Lolz.
Ya. It is a little too dark, but as for it being a helmet... I thought Klueze's mask was made of metal too. Lolz.
Haha,that's why~there were many discussions on these but we can't prove anything yet. Let us wait for the story to reveal the truth! XD :D
Zaku-chan
2004-11-01, 06:38
I doubt Neo is Mwu in disguise and if he was it would completely ruin the point of his death. He was cool, but let the man rest in peace.
I doubt Neo is Mwu in disguise and if he was it would completely ruin the point of his death. He was cool, but let the man rest in peace.
Well rumours are that they changed his death in the SEED special OVA :) Besides SEED/SEED DESTINY are directed by a director who doesn't know what to do with his characters. Wartfeld was first supposed to be dead but then he decided he liked the character and brought him back. I wouldn't be surprised if he did the samething for Mwu.
Zaku-chan
2004-11-01, 06:53
I hope he doesn't though after all what better way to die then to die for the one you love. To bring him back would defeat the purpose of his sacrifice. I know people want to see him again, and I know people want to see him even more with Murrue. There are a lot of characters I really liked that died, but there revival would probably make the show really stupid.
Derelict
2004-11-01, 10:40
Who is Ray ??
Rey, you mean?
And getting on topic, I believe that it may be Mwu, the voice actors sound practically the same and maybe Mwu got his face scarred horribly after blocking the Lohengrin, coupled with what we found out about Crueset towards the end.. I think a nervous breakdown and Mwu turning into Neo sounds logical(in an anime writing sense).
I hope he doesn't though after all what better way to die then to die for the one you love. To bring him back would defeat the purpose of his sacrifice. I know people want to see him again, and I know people want to see him even more with Murrue. There are a lot of characters I really liked that died, but there revival would probably make the show really stupid.
I agree that bringing Mwu back would ruin the meaning of his death, but if they are smart about it, bring him back could be done in a way that makes it OK. I'm personally hoping that Mwu is taking charge of Blue Cosmos' main militay power so he can manipulate things from the inside for the good of all (help wipe em all out :p ). I'm also hoping that he's going to play a major role in furthering the Newtype arch in SEED... which seems very likely from what we've seen so far. But we'll see how it all plays out eventually.
But yeah, this thread is just going back to stuff thats already been discussed.
brightman
2004-11-01, 12:47
Well rumours are that they changed his death in the SEED special OVA :)
The only change they made was to remove Mu's helmet. But after watching that particular scene in Special 3 again I don't see how the removal of the helmet changes anything. Mu still looks pretty dead.
Derelict
2004-11-01, 12:49
The only change they made was to remove Mu's helmet. But after watching that particular scene in Special 3 again I don't see how the removal of the helmet changes anything. Mu still looks pretty dead.
Why would they remove his helmet, though? I think if Marrius becomes an important character in GS: D, Mwu will probably be Neo.
Why would they remove his helmet, though? I think if Marrius becomes an important character in GS: D, Mwu will probably be Neo.
If they remove the helmet, then theres a better chance that Mwu could have survived the blast since he was wearing a space suit and all. Without a helmet to protect him from the vacume of space, he'd be dead for sure. Either way its kind of far fetched though. It would be cool if Neo really turns out to be Mwu, but if they can't come up with a good reason for his survival, I hope they just avoid explaining it, kind of like with Kira in SEED hehe.
Rey, you mean?
And getting on topic, I believe that it may be Mwu, the voice actors sound practically the same and maybe Mwu got his face scarred horribly after blocking the Lohengrin, coupled with what we found out about Crueset towards the end.. I think a nervous breakdown and Mwu turning into Neo sounds logical(in an anime writing sense).
The seiyuus are the same.
Komataguri
2004-11-01, 13:30
The voice actor thing is piss at most.
Just because too characters have the same VA dosn't mean they are the same character.
I mean, Damn, How many times have you heard your favorite VAs in various animes?
Derelict
2004-11-01, 13:40
The voice actor thing is piss at most.
Just because too characters have the same VA dosn't mean they are the same character.
I mean, Damn, How many times have you heard your favorite VAs in various animes?
Why not make a big deal about it? Hell, Mwu's death was pretty strange in the first place, having the same VA as Neo just gives more fuel to the fire.
If they remove the helmet, then theres a better chance that Mwu could have survived the blast since he was wearing a space suit and all. Without a helmet to protect him from the vacume of space, he'd be dead for sure. Either way its kind of far fetched though. It would be cool if Neo really turns out to be Mwu, but if they can't come up with a good reason for his survival, I hope they just avoid explaining it, kind of like with Kira in SEED hehe.
Indeed, why else would they remove his helmet? I don't see any other, really.. Aside from explaining how Mwu will survive.
There are a lot of characters I really liked that died, but there revival would probably make the show really stupid.
Don't be surprised if it happens though. See argument later in the post.
Just because too characters have the same VA dosn't mean they are the same character.
I mean, Damn, How many times have you heard your favorite VAs in various animes?
First off the plural of anime is anime second your absolutely right I mean what does the following Gundam characters from various Gundam shows have in common?:
Dwight Camury (F91), Raior Sabato (V), Zechs Marquise(Wing), Gym Ghingnham (Turn-A) and Mwu La Fraga (SEED)
Absolutely nothing except for the fact that their voices are all done by Koyasu Takehito (one might ask what his obsession is with Gundam, he seem to be appearing in all of them since 0083 :P ), some of them are blonde and all of them are Gundam characters.
Except SEED and SEED DESTINY are not "various" anime nor "various" Gundam one is a direct sequel of the other.
Now of course you could easily counter this saying "Well, Fllay and Stellar voice actress are the sane yet they're not the same character, same goes to Murrue Ramius and Haro in SEED it self". Well Fllay and Stellar have absolutely nothing in common (maybe except that both of them are wacky) neither do Murrue Ramius and Haro (one is a ship captain that doesn't know what a bra is, the other one is a small robot doesn't know when to shut up).
Now what do Mwu La Fraga and Neo Lorrnoke have in common. Well let's start:
Both have the same voice actors (not an important point as you pointed out and I've proven it with examples).
Both are blonde (not a major issue, Koyasu Takehito seem to prefer to do blonde characters anyway).
Both have the same type of head (normally a major issue, now its simply not important as Hirai Hisashi doesn't know how to draw 3 different heads)
Both pilot similiar MA (Moebius Zero and Exus look similar, with gunbarrel system)
Both are Newtypes or have at least newtype-type ( :p ) powers
Look I'm emphazing on the last point...newtypes. Fukuda Mitsuo said in one of his interviews that Mu La Flaga and Rau Le Creuset were supposed to be the last two newtypes in the galaxy. Is he changing his mind again? Not necessarily, he's simply made it in a way that both Mwu and Rau's DNA made a comeback.
Giving Neo's age I'm going to say he can't be a clone unless the project started a long time ago (we don't know how long it takes to grow a clone, but it has to be long, not as long as normal humans considering growth accelerators).
So with the rumours of the SEED special edition removing the helmet I'm going to say that Neo is Mwu himself. Although we don't know that untill after the last Special Edition have been released.
Yes I'm quite aware of the fact that I'm saying that Rey Za Burrel is related/son/clone to Rau Le Creuset (probably another clone started by him or maybe even ZAFT it self :P )
I'm also aware that everything is mere speculation and theories, but hey I'm simply giving more fuel to the fire. ;)
MasaMune
2004-11-01, 19:17
Even Rey's full name has the same ring to it IMO as with Mwu La Fra and Rau Le Creuset, not that that proves anything of course.
Actually, removing or not removing Mwu's helmet from that scene really does not have any significant meaning to it. I mean you've really think Mwu's the only one in Earth Alliance to have that helmet?
omegastar
2004-11-02, 22:54
Well, Mariu (or whatever the name is...) looks like will be depressed for quite some time, since I heard that in the extended version (5 minutes of extra aftermath ending) she was just lamenting the loss.
Also, it's not like you can come back alive after being hit by a RowenGreen shot, with your suit vaporized and in space...
The last Gundam Seed Special Edition has been out for a while already, and not only did the remove Muu's helmet in space, they also removed the scene where you see the Strike melting while he was still inside.
ths1138
Actually, removing or not removing Mwu's helmet from that scene really does not have any significant meaning to it. I mean you've really think Mwu's the only one in Earth Alliance to have that helmet?
I was under the impression that the feather icon on Mwu's helmet was his symbol because he's known as the Hawk of Endymion. So if thats the case, and the icon is on the helmet, wouldn't that make it a unique helmet?
Markgraf
2004-11-03, 13:32
Keep in mind, Flaay and Natarle were both voiced by the same seiyuu. I think it's ironic though, that Koyasu Takehito is taking the role of another masked gundam character.
True but Fllay and Natarle didn't had any relation what so ever. With both Neo and Mwu being newtypes is the biggest hint.
Oh well I think the only type of role Koyasu Takehito didn't do in Gundam is the main character, besides that he basicly did everything :P
Hmm...I'm wondering if this Neo dude is a clone that has the face of Fraga and the characteristic of Kleuze....sounds fitting?
New age of clones?lol :heh:
He can't be a clone, 3 years is awfully short from a baby to assuming somewhere in the 30s. Now Rey Za Burrel on the other hand :P
You know I wouldn't be surprised if Gundam SEED DESTINY will follow Attack of the Clones in a sense of having a clone army (this time of pilots). Seems fitting at the moment :heh:
He can't be a clone, 3 years is awfully short from a baby to assuming somewhere in the 30s. Now Rey Za Burrel on the other hand :P
You know I wouldn't be surprised if Gundam SEED DESTINY will follow Attack of the Clones in a sense of having a clone army (this time of pilots). Seems fitting at the moment :heh:
So meaning that even stella,auel and sting were already born before the war in seed? :confused: (like the druggie trio?? :confused: )For Fraga and Klueze's case is alright since they are the first....But for the rest of the clone that was already born 14 years ago seems unmatching... :heh: I think the clones they made are at fast production rate.... :heh: (therefore,maybe the new trio was instantly produced and trained to replace the druggie trio right after the war?) what do you think? :uhoh:
I knew about the growth accelerators, in Neo's case after 3 years he's 30, seems a bit too fast (ageing 10 years in a year :P ). In the case of the druggies, I always assumed they were normal humans and got enhanced through drugs and that they are neither clones nor coordinators.
I'm assuming Rey is created 4 years ago (ageing 4 years in a year, seem a bit more realistic)
duckroll
2004-11-04, 14:13
The last Gundam Seed Special Edition has been out for a while already, and not only did the remove Muu's helmet in space, they also removed the scene where you see the Strike melting while he was still inside.
ths1138
That's not true, they only removed the helmet. The scene with Flaga inside Strike as it melts and explodes is still there. I have the SEED Specials on DVD (nice mecha box too ^^) so that's about as definitive as it can get. (Not that there was even a broadcast version of the third special, so that doesn't matter either)
That's not true, they only removed the helmet. The scene with Flaga inside Strike as it melts and explodes is still there. I have the SEED Specials on DVD (nice mecha box too ^^) so that's about as definitive as it can get. (Not that there was even a broadcast version of the third special, so that doesn't matter either)
Hmm, then I was mistaken? I could've sworn there's something different with that scene... Then I guess it's just my imagination then... Sorry for the mistake ~_~
ths1138
duckroll
2004-11-04, 16:46
Hmm, then I was mistaken? I could've sworn there's something different with that scene... Then I guess it's just my imagination then... Sorry for the mistake ~_~
ths1138
Yeah, alot of scenes in the specials just "feel" different, but when you check it against the original its exactly the same. Probably part of it has to do with them cropping the top and bottom of the screen to make a "widescreen" resolution, hence playing tricks on our eyes. ^^;
Either way, with or without helmet I find it really hard to believe that Flaga survived, but then again Kira did too... TWICE! So who knows. :)
Timeless Enigma
2004-11-08, 19:03
I'm a bit confused about the mention of New-Types in Gundam SEED. I thought there were just... normals, Coordinators and Coordinators with SEEDs. Is that indeed what Fllaga and Klueze were? New-Types?
I'm a bit confused about the mention of New-Types in Gundam SEED. I thought there were just... normals, Coordinators and Coordinators with SEEDs. Is that indeed what Fllaga and Klueze were? New-Types?
As far as I am concern, New-Types are just more advanced human. Technically, they are still Naturals.
Pepperidge
2004-11-09, 02:55
I'm putting my money on Neo having absolutely no connection with Mu whatsoever apart from being a Newtype, and that Fukuda is laughing at you all right now.
I'm putting my money on Neo having absolutely no connection with Mu whatsoever apart from being a Newtype, and that Fukuda is laughing at you all right now.
I am so with you~lol :D
I'm putting my money on Neo having absolutely no connection with Mu whatsoever apart from being a Newtype, and that Fukuda is laughing at you all right now.
ROFL that would be awsome!
Scherazade
2004-11-18, 05:30
I'm a bit confused about the mention of New-Types in Gundam SEED. I thought there were just... normals, Coordinators and Coordinators with SEEDs. Is that indeed what Fllaga and Klueze were? New-Types?
Basically as George Glenn explained in the thrid volume of Astray was that coordinators weren't the ultimate evolution of man. Coordinators were created to facilitate the evolution of all mankind to the next step [newtypes] and to aid in the exploration of space. Somewhere along the way being a coordinators was desirable because it was a means to be better than the next guy [a sentiment that made Rau want to kill everyone]. Newtype is where humans need to be, Newtypes are also naturals. There has not been shown to be a coordinator newtype to my knowledge.
Rau's genetic make up is not known, there is no official source that states what he is. Since he is a clone of a natural, it would stand to reason that Rau is also a natural. His ability to pilot mobile suits comes from his newtype abilities. Newtypes have been shown to be capable of things that some coordinators are not such as operation of the DRAGOON system. Only Rau and Prayer were capable of doing it. Canard Pars, a failed ultimate coordinator experiment, had to have Dreadnought modified when he started piloting it because he couldn't use DRAGOON.
As far as gunbarrels, being a newtype helps, but isn't necessary since Sting Oakley and Morgan Chevalier can use gunbarrels just fine. Not to mention the 14 other guys that served with Mwu in the Moebius Zero corps.
And for whoever mentioned it, Kira's survival was explained. Just prior to Aegis' detonation an energency hatch shut down in Strike's cockpit. Lowe Gear saw the fight and went in to look at the suits, he opened Strike's cockpit and found Kira, then dragged Kira's body to Reverend Markio's house. After looking at Kira's dogtags, Markio recognized the name as one of Lacus Clyne's friends and decided to take Kira up to the PLANTs with him.
Basically as George Glenn explained in the thrid volume of Astray was that coordinators weren't the ultimate evolution of man. Coordinators were created to facilitate the evolution of all mankind to the next step [newtypes] and to aid in the exploration of space. Somewhere along the way being a coordinators was desirable because it was a means to be better than the next guy [a sentiment that made Rau want to kill everyone]. Newtype is where humans need to be, Newtypes are also naturals. There has not been shown to be a coordinator newtype to my knowledge.
Rau's genetic make up is not known, there is no official source that states what he is. Since he is a clone of a natural, it would stand to reason that Rau is also a natural. His ability to pilot mobile suits comes from his newtype abilities. Newtypes have been shown to be capable of things that some coordinators are not such as operation of the DRAGOON system. Only Rau and Prayer were capable of doing it. Canard Pars, a failed ultimate coordinator experiment, had to have Dreadnought modified when he started piloting it because he couldn't use DRAGOON.
As far as gunbarrels, being a newtype helps, but isn't necessary since Sting Oakley and Morgan Chevalier can use gunbarrels just fine. Not to mention the 14 other guys that served with Mwu in the Moebius Zero corps.
And for whoever mentioned it, Kira's survival was explained. Just prior to Aegis' detonation an energency hatch shut down in Strike's cockpit. Lowe Gear saw the fight and went in to look at the suits, he opened Strike's cockpit and found Kira, then dragged Kira's body to Reverend Markio's house. After looking at Kira's dogtags, Markio recognized the name as one of Lacus Clyne's friends and decided to take Kira up to the PLANTs with him.
Wow... great post. Where did you get all this information?
Basically as George Glenn explained in the thrid volume of Astray was that coordinators weren't the ultimate evolution of man. Coordinators were created to facilitate the evolution of all mankind to the next step [newtypes] and to aid in the exploration of space. Somewhere along the way being a coordinators was desirable because it was a means to be better than the next guy [a sentiment that made Rau want to kill everyone]. Newtype is where humans need to be, Newtypes are also naturals. There has not been shown to be a coordinator newtype to my knowledge.
Rau's genetic make up is not known, there is no official source that states what he is. Since he is a clone of a natural, it would stand to reason that Rau is also a natural. His ability to pilot mobile suits comes from his newtype abilities. Newtypes have been shown to be capable of things that some coordinators are not such as operation of the DRAGOON system. Only Rau and Prayer were capable of doing it. Canard Pars, a failed ultimate coordinator experiment, had to have Dreadnought modified when he started piloting it because he couldn't use DRAGOON.
As far as gunbarrels, being a newtype helps, but isn't necessary since Sting Oakley and Morgan Chevalier can use gunbarrels just fine. Not to mention the 14 other guys that served with Mwu in the Moebius Zero corps.
And for whoever mentioned it, Kira's survival was explained. Just prior to Aegis' detonation an energency hatch shut down in Strike's cockpit. Lowe Gear saw the fight and went in to look at the suits, he opened Strike's cockpit and found Kira, then dragged Kira's body to Reverend Markio's house. After looking at Kira's dogtags, Markio recognized the name as one of Lacus Clyne's friends and decided to take Kira up to the PLANTs with him.
My life has more meaning now. thanks.
Scherazade
2004-11-19, 01:02
Wow... great post. Where did you get all this information?
Gundam SEED, Gundam SEED Destiny, Gundam SEED Astray, Gundam Official website, and [brief] chats with Gundam Officials webmaster. The only reason I talk to him is because he's a member of another forum I go to where I'm working on site content so from time to time I ask him questions and he helps me out. A real nice guy.
Most information about a series can pretty easily be gotten from the series intself. But side stories, like the Astray mangas are a great source of information. I haven't seen, firsthand, a source that says that the Mobius Zero corps was a 15 unit team, but Mark Simmons told me, so I figured that's pretty credible. He says that it was divided into 3 groups of 5, the Alice-Blue team, the Burlywood team, and the Crimson team. Mwu lead Crimson, Winters [never see in the show] led Alice-Blue, and Lindgren [also not seen] led Burlywood team. Another Zero corps pilots is Charles Kane who was in Mwu's group. It's kind of irrelevant since they're all dead now.
Depresionist
2004-11-19, 01:28
So if Kleuze and Fraga are Newtypes, and is able to even use the DRAGOON system (Which Coordinators cannot) why can't Fraga fly Strike using the Coordinator OS?
And why does Kleuze have a Psychic link to Kira during the last battle? Is it just the danger-warning thing that Newtypes have, or does Kira have something special? Genetic-Engineered-Newtype?
Basically as George Glenn explained in the thrid volume of Astray was that coordinators weren't the ultimate evolution of man. Coordinators were created to facilitate the evolution of all mankind to the next step [newtypes] and to aid in the exploration of space. Somewhere along the way being a coordinators was desirable because it was a means to be better than the next guy [a sentiment that made Rau want to kill everyone]. Newtype is where humans need to be, Newtypes are also naturals. There has not been shown to be a coordinator newtype to my knowledge.
Rau's genetic make up is not known, there is no official source that states what he is. Since he is a clone of a natural, it would stand to reason that Rau is also a natural. His ability to pilot mobile suits comes from his newtype abilities. Newtypes have been shown to be capable of things that some coordinators are not such as operation of the DRAGOON system. Only Rau and Prayer were capable of doing it. Canard Pars, a failed ultimate coordinator experiment, had to have Dreadnought modified when he started piloting it because he couldn't use DRAGOON.
As far as gunbarrels, being a newtype helps, but isn't necessary since Sting Oakley and Morgan Chevalier can use gunbarrels just fine. Not to mention the 14 other guys that served with Mwu in the Moebius Zero corps.
And for whoever mentioned it, Kira's survival was explained. Just prior to Aegis' detonation an energency hatch shut down in Strike's cockpit. Lowe Gear saw the fight and went in to look at the suits, he opened Strike's cockpit and found Kira, then dragged Kira's body to Reverend Markio's house. After looking at Kira's dogtags, Markio recognized the name as one of Lacus Clyne's friends and decided to take Kira up to the PLANTs with him.
Man, that's some awsome information. Props to ya! :bow:
Scherazade
2004-11-19, 02:24
So if Kleuze and Fraga are Newtypes, and is able to even use the DRAGOON system (Which Coordinators cannot) why can't Fraga fly Strike using the Coordinator OS?
And why does Kleuze have a Psychic link to Kira during the last battle? Is it just the danger-warning thing that Newtypes have, or does Kira have something special? Genetic-Engineered-Newtype?
The OS that Kira creates for Strike isn't exactly a coordinator OS, at least , it's not a ZAFT OS. I would have to say that Kira's OS is one of a kind. While I am not 100% positive, I would say that Mwu isn't as capable as Rau because Mwu is the son of a Newtype whereas Crueset is the clone of a Newtype. Who knows, if Mwu were given a ZAFT ms maybe he could pilot it. What I'm getting at is that I don't know why Mwu couldn't pilot an ms until he gets the rebuilt Strike. Maybe he just never tried....
Crueset senses Kira in episode 44 and 50 because Kira is attacking him. Pretty much as simple as that. As far as Mwu and DRAGOON, it is reasonable to assume that he could use it, but there's no way to prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt. The only two shown to use DRAGOON are Rau Le Creuset and Prayer Reverie, both are clones of Mwu's father, Al Da Flaga.
According to pretty reasonable explanation, Rau was created intentionally with a lack of telomere so that Rau would age faster to catch up with Mwu so that Rau could replace Mwu as Al's heir. When Rau reached Mwu's age, they tried to stop Rau's accelerated aging, but could not do it permanently, which is why Le Creuset has to take those pills, they stabilize his genetic replication. Without those pills his cells may replicate abnormally, which apparently causes him a fair amount of physical pain. From what I understand of telomere, it's responsible for proper replication of cells. As a person ages they naturally lose telomere. This lose of telomere is what's responsible for the visual signs of aging. Also, since lack of telomere allows cells to replicate abnormally, cancerous cells can form, but I digress.
Rau has to take the pills or he will resume his accelerated aging. Prayer Reverie was a second attempt at making a clone of Flaga. I believe Prayer wasn't tampered with and aged normally, he ended up dying at the end of Astray X because of DNA degeneration although I don't know what caused it. It's possible that Rey Za Burrel is a third attempt at cloning Flaga, perhaps he's a successful one. But that's a question that Destiny will have to answer, at this point, all it is is a guess.
Edit: I need to type slower, fewer typos that way.....
Thanks, Scherazade. You're a gold mine of information. :)
Greatly appreciated.
sarcasteak
2004-11-19, 09:27
The OS that Kira creates for Strike isn't exactly a coordinator OS, at least , it's not a ZAFT OS. I would have to say that Kira's OS is one of a kind. While I am not 100% positive, I would say that Mwu isn't as capable as Rau because Mwu is the son of a Newtype whereas Crueset is the clone of a Newtype. Who knows, if Mwu were given a ZAFT ms maybe he could pilot it. What I'm getting at is that I don't know why Mwu couldn't pilot an ms until he gets the rebuilt Strike. Maybe he just never tried....
Crueset senses Kira in episode 44 and 50 because Kira is attacking him. Pretty much as simple as that. As far as Mwu and DRAGOON, it is reasonable to assume that he could use it, but there's no way to prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt. The only two shown to use DRAGOON are Rau Le Creuset and Prayer Reverie, both are clones of Mwu's father, Al Da Flaga.
According to pretty reasonable explanation, Rau was created intentionally with a lack of telomere so that Rau would age faster to catch up with Mwu so that Rau could replace Mwu as Al's heir. When Rau reached Mwu's age, they tried to stop Rau's accelerated aging, but could not do it permanently, which is why Le Creuset has to take those pills, they stabilize his genetic replication. Without those pills his cells may replicate abnormally, which apparently causes him a fair amount of physical pain. From what I understand of telomere, it's responsible for proper replication of cells. As a person ages they naturally lose telomere. This lose of telomere is what's responsible for the visual signs of aging. Also, since lack of telomere allows cells to replicate abnormally, cancerous cells can form, but I digress.
Rau has to take the pills or he will resume his accelerated aging. Prayer Reverie was a second attempt at making a clone of Flaga. I believe Prayer wasn't tampered with and aged normally, he ended up dying at the end of Astray X because of DNA degeneration although I don't know what caused it. It's possible that Rey Za Burrel is a third attempt at cloning Flaga, perhaps he's a successful one. But that's a question that Destiny will have to answer, at this point, all it is is a guess.
You rock. *thumbs up*
Depresionist
2004-11-19, 14:30
Exactly the answer I was looking for, and then some :P
Sanjuronord
2004-11-19, 16:17
The OS that Kira creates for Strike isn't exactly a coordinator OS, at least , it's not a ZAFT OS. I would have to say that Kira's OS is one of a kind. While I am not 100% positive, I would say that Mwu isn't as capable as Rau because Mwu is the son of a Newtype whereas Crueset is the clone of a Newtype. Who knows, if Mwu were given a ZAFT ms maybe he could pilot it. What I'm getting at is that I don't know why Mwu couldn't pilot an ms until he gets the rebuilt Strike. Maybe he just never tried....
Think you hit the nail on the head there. Whole series could have been drastically different had Mwu tried and successfully piloted the Strike during the Archangel's escape from Heliopolis. Of course there is also the chance that Rau never piloted a MS with a Zaft OS, he could have written his own custom OS for his suits. Might also just be a matter of Rau teaching himself how to use the Zaft OS over time.
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