View Full Version : Which is better: Evangelion or Naruto?
luckme10
2003-12-08, 03:58
Hi I'm new to anime and I just wanted some opinions. Naruto seems to be the most popular anime out here so I just wanted to know in your opinion which is better. Evangelion or Naruto and why? Feel free to express your true meanings of what eva was about.
I think they are too different to compare. It would be like comparing a drama to a comedy.
Hi I'm new to anime and I just wanted some opinions. Naruto seems to be the most popular anime out here so I just wanted to know in your opinion which is better. Evangelion or Naruto and why? Feel free to express your true meanings of what eva was about.
honestly why are you comparing this 2 anime in the 1st place, they do not really have the same genre. one is mecha and the other is a ninja flick. no links btw them also. both are nice in their own way, so this poll is considered quite hard to decide. and quite redundant to me.
Rebochan
2003-12-08, 04:33
Evangelion - apocalyptic philosophical mecha series.
Naruto - Ninja fighting show with liberal parts comedy.
I don't think you can compare them unless you take into account that both shows have legions of people who have either dedicated themselves to them and legions who wish to quash those who dare proclaim said devotion (or even mild positive feelings) to the shows. But as fandoms have little to do with the quality of the programs, we can leave THOSE out.
If you like anime that makes you think often and is heavy in philosophical content and brain squashing questions, you should go with NGE.
If you rather like light hearted anime which is simply fun to watch and simple to understand. Then Naruto is the better choice.
NGE wants to mess with your mind and make you ask a lot of deep questions and deal with a lot of tough issues.
Naruto just wants to be fun to watch and enjoyable without having to ask a lot of deep questions.
Which genre do you prefer?
Oh, there's absolutely no doubt that Evangelion is better. That's so obvious it doesn't even need any thought.
It's which will be more enjoyable for any given person that's the rather more complex question. Especially given that people's reactions to Evangelion are notoriously unpredictable. Naruto is a solid genre show, and you can tell with a decent amount of accuracy whether you'll like it by your opinions on the genre. The only way to find out whether you'll like Evangelion is to watch it.
Oneesama
2003-12-08, 05:52
hm~ it is hard to decide~
a quite twristing plot for Evangelion yet wouldn't mind the comedy from Naruto ~
..........thinking
..............debating
.......................final decision:
I'll go for Eva~ it was a masterpiece
LOL this poll is sooooooooooo pointless...
P.S. Bottle Fairy is better than both!
Oranges... definately oranges.
Wait... what was the question again?
Oh, there's absolutely no doubt that Evangelion is better. That's so obvious it doesn't even need any thought.
It's which will be more enjoyable for any given person that's the rather more complex question. Especially given that people's reactions to Evangelion are notoriously unpredictable. Naruto is a solid genre show, and you can tell with a decent amount of accuracy whether you'll like it by your opinions on the genre. The only way to find out whether you'll like Evangelion is to watch it.
Would you believe that I like Naruto a lot more than Neon Genesis Evangelion. A story doesn't need to be metaphysical and extremely thought provoking to be good. I actually sometimes prefer a very light hearted story. Especially after watching stuff like Tsukihime, Avenger, etc.
Both shows are great in their own right. You can't compare them as one is an apple and the other is an orange. If the apple is sweet and crunchy, I will like it. If the orange is sour and juicy I like it too.
I'm basically open to shows of different styles and genre and I hate to miss out on quality work by just sticking to just one type. The only complaint is that I don't have the time to catch them all.
Yes, saying all this means I like both Naruto and Evangelion. They just appeal to me in different ways. Naruto brought my childhood fantasies of playing ninja onto the TV screen and all I had to do is sit back and enjoy the fun of it all. Evangelion may be confusing but all this make me think. The more intriguing it is, the more I want to understand it.
If you are like me, there is really nothing to worry about. Just watch them and judge them yourself. :D
both animes are great , you should make the judgement yourself, u might not really like what we like
Flash_Squirrel
2003-12-08, 08:29
Oh, there's absolutely no doubt that Evangelion is better. That's so obvious it doesn't even need any thought.
Dont try to pass your opinions off as facts.
Someone might want to see an anime full of metaphisical and psycological elements, while some others might enjoy a lot more something light-hearted and fast-paced.
My opinion? Evangelion.
Dont try to pass your opinions off as facts.
Someone might want to see an anime full of metaphisical and psycological elements, while some others might enjoy a lot more something light-hearted and fast-paced.
My opinion? Evangelion.
I wouldn't so quickly discard Lambda's opinion. At least I see where he is coming from. Look at it this way: Evangelion finished years ago (nearly a decade), and yet to this day it still provokes intelligent(?) discussion. Look at us for example, this thread's existance and our posts are proving there are still things to be said about the series. But, the question is; can you see the same level of discussion occuring years after Naruto has finished? I would hope that you concur not.
I love both series, but as everyone else who does will probably tell you, for different reasons. The thread asked which title was better, and "goodness" is a property that can be difficult to judge when making comparisons between objects of such different nature. My own personal definition of how "good" an anime is, comes from the impact it has on a particular genre, or the anime scene as a whole. Not that Naruto isn't an immensely popular series that may be attracting new fans to anime everyday, but I feel that Eva was more genre-defining, more pioneering, and generally more original.
Not that true, Naruto is really attracting alot of new anime fans from kids to adults of all ages. Its exactly what happened with Dragonball back then.
Evangelion may be deep and thought provoking but not much people really have a penchant for such shows. Action-packed sequences are still what the general audience like and such series are the ones attracting fans. Although Evangelion is not very short of action, leisure is still what the casual audience seeks, appreciation may come at a later stage when their taste in anime evolves.
My 2 cents. :)
Oh, there's absolutely no doubt that Evangelion is better. That's so obvious it doesn't even need any thought.
It's which will be more enjoyable for any given person that's the rather more complex question. Especially given that people's reactions to Evangelion are notoriously unpredictable. Naruto is a solid genre show, and you can tell with a decent amount of accuracy whether you'll like it by your opinions on the genre. The only way to find out whether you'll like Evangelion is to watch it.
Would you believe that I like Naruto a lot more than Neon Genesis Evangelion.
Erm, yes? Did you even read my second paragraph?
OK, let's clarify things a bit. This question asks "which is better?" But most people seem to be interpreting it as "which is more enjoyable?" Notice how I was stressing the difference in my previous post as well?
Now of course, if you define the quality of a piece of television purely in terms of how enjoyable it is, then that's perfectly reasonable. But I think such a definition would woefully misrepresent the realities of the situation. Television and film are capable of a lot more than simply entertaining their audience. Take something like Angel's Egg, for example. A purely entertainment-based definition of "good" would assess it as "very poor," despite it being easily the best "completely artsy" film that I've ever seen. Is that really fair? I submit not.
The best way I've come up with to compare the quality of two things that do not have the exact same goals is to assess each of them as acts of creation against their own goals, and compare the levels of achievement reached. Or to use a sporting analogy, you give them a "difficulty" mark from which they start, based on how difficult their goals are, and then modify the mark based on how well they achieve those goals.
So Naruto. Its goal is to entertain, and it does this extremely well. But entertaining is really quite an easy thing to do, you only have to follow reliable established formulae without making any big mistakes, injecting small amounts of creativity where need be.
Evangelion similarly achieves its goals extremely well. But its goals are far more complex, interesting and ultimately more difficult. Entertaining is only a small part of what it sets out to do, it also sets out to carry various subtle points of commentry, be something very different and thus entertain its makers, (Gainax do get bored easily), act as therapy for its director, change the way anime is made, ("new century gospel"), allow its creators to parody genre conventions without too many people noticing and so forth. That it can do all this so well and still become entertaining on a comparable level to "specialist entertainers" like Naruto is an incredible achievement.
So Naruto and Evangelion both perform their functions exceptionally well. But the function of Evangelion is far more complicated and difficult than the function of Naruto, which makes it a far more impressive achievement, a far more impressive act of creation, and therefore better.
Alternative ways of looking at it:
Imagine the talent and creative skill behind Evangelion making something like Naruto. Now imagine the talent and creative skill behind Naruto making something like Evangelion. Which would be more likely to fail?
Naruto is entertaining because of its nature. Evangelion is entertaining, to a large degree despite its nature.
A specialist 100m runner should by all rights be able to easily beat a decathlete over 100m. If it's a difficult question, the decathlete is clearly the better athlete. (analogy.)
Flash_Squirrel
2003-12-08, 11:15
My own personal definition of how "good" an anime is, comes from the impact it has on a particular genre, or the anime scene as a whole.
I will play the role of the evil guy then.
I like fast-paced action with a lot of humor, so my choice would be Naruto.
Genre-defining? How many times you saw a "I want an anime similar to Naruto" in the suggestion forum? Both are "genre-defining" Animes, and there are a lot of people with different opinions.
The "there's absolutely no doubt that Evangelion is better" quote is just plain wrong, but Im not in the position to judge anything or anyone. Im sure that Lambda have his own opinions, but opinions arent facts.
Alternative ways of looking at it:
Imagine the talent and creative skill behind Evangelion making something like Naruto. Now imagine the talent and creative skill behind Naruto making something like Evangelion. Which would be more likely to fail? Now that is very possibly true...
As I have said before Hideaki Anno is a genius. :heh:
Way to different to compare, one´s about Big mechs and the other´s about Ninjas.
But I like Naruto more, not that NGE´s bad or anything.
Im sure that Lambda have his own opinions, but opinions arent facts.
Actually, this is more a question of language than anything.
Now of course, if you define the quality of a piece of television purely in terms of how enjoyable it is, then that's perfectly reasonable.
You admit that what we are doing is perfectly fine. So why do you say in the next line that it isn't perfectly fine? Is that not Contradicting yourself?
But I think such a definition would woefully misrepresent the realities of the situation.
The nature of the situation is anime companies create shows that appeal to all and gain money from the masses. That is the reality of the situation. There is no "art".
Take something like Angel's Egg, for example. A purely entertainment-based definition of "good" would assess it as "very poor," despite it being easily the best "completely artsy" film that I've ever seen. Is that really fair? I submit not.
I love artsy films. I watched punch drunk love because of that. Punch Drunk Love, is a good movie because it is artsy. If it wasn't an artsy movie it would have lost it's substance. Maybe that's what you were getting at.
So Naruto. Its goal is to entertain, and it does this extremely well.
So wouldn't that make it a great show? Since we're comparing different shows, we have to judge on how well it achieves the goal. 90% of people will like or hate naruto because it does everything it has to do.
Evangelion similarly achieves its goals extremely well.
That is debatable. How many people have watched Eva and hated it? Tons! If Eva were achieving it's goal "extremly well" it would have everyone who watches it extremly pleased. It does not achieve that goal, where as naruto most people are only turned off purely because of the genre.
Entertaining is only a small part of what it sets out to do,
No, it sets out to entertain people by using these commentary and etc.
it also sets out to carry various subtle points of commentry,
Which as I said before is how it entertains.
be something very different and thus entertain its makers,
How it is different is how it entertains people. How can it be Genre defining if it's something very different? Entertaining the makers also falls under the category of entertaining.
change the way anime is made
They never set out to "change the way anime is made. They set out to make something that entertains them. They believed that if it entertained them it would entertain other people too. Because it did entertain people to some extent it changed the way anime was made. They never set out to do that in the first place.
You even admit that naruto is done by gifted specialists.
"specialist entertainers" like Naruto
But then you contradict yourself,
Now imagine the talent and creative skill behind Naruto making something like Evangelion. and claim that Naruto isn't made by specialists.
I'm sure if Gainax tried to make a "naruto like anime" They couldn't do it. They just can't think that way. Just like the naruto team couldn't think like Gainax could.
NinjaServ
2003-12-08, 15:27
HEY, I GOT AN IDEA!!! Lets compare Digi Charat to a Hentai :D
>.>
The nature of the situation is anime companies create shows that appeal to all and gain money from the masses. That is the reality of the situation. There is no "art".
Arguing something like this is downright idiotic - different people like different kinds of stuff, and thus neither anime is objectively better.
I´m an idiot, so I couldn´t resist the opportunity ...
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The nature of the situation is anime companies create shows that appeal to all and gain money from the masses. That is the reality of the situation. There is no "art".
´tis a sad day indeed then ... but how do you define art? ;)
So wouldn't that make it a great show?
Matter of taste. I don´t like Naruto at all - that doesn´t mean its bad, only that it doesn´t give me what I want from anime.
That is debatable. How many people have watched Eva and hated it? Tons! If Eva were achieving it's goal "extremly well" it would have everyone who watches it extremly pleased. It does not achieve that goal, where as naruto most people are only turned off purely because of the genre.
Do not think of the goal, but of the means that are used to reach it. That is what makes people like or dislike something.
NinjaServ
2003-12-08, 15:35
HEY, I GOT AN IDEA!!! Lets compare Digi Charat to a Hentai :D
>.>
You even admit that naruto is done by gifted specialists.
But then you contradict yourself,
and claim that Naruto isn't made by specialists.
I'm sure if Gainax tried to make a "naruto like anime" They couldn't do it. They just can't think that way. Just like the naruto team couldn't think like Gainax could. If you are talking about Gainax as a whole, the company has produced anime of variated style ranging from Evangelion to Ebichu. There is bound to be someone who can produce something as good as Naruto. The team behind FLCL will likely be up to it since it is most similar to Naruto. As crazy as the series may be, the characters are actually very well designed and the story has lots of significant references and meaning amidst its unorthodox style.
If you are talking about Hideaki Anno, Evangelion is not the only anime that is credited to him. Nadia Secret of the Blue Water has similar themes on adolescence, growing up like FLCL and Naruto. The showitself is also a great adventure ride, spanning from France to even Africa. I think nothing is really beyond the great Hideaki Anno if he puts his clear mind into it.
A potential flame war thread that exist outside the boundary of Naruto section of the forum. I thought the mods were discouraging for any particular VS thread cause opinions are all based on personal liking or disliking..
Oneesama
2003-12-08, 18:30
Personal Opinions. NO WAR
btw~ NinjaServ : double post? or you really wanna compare the 2? :D
El Diablo
2003-12-08, 19:05
I'd love to post what i did on another forum, bashing eva, although doing so would almost certainly result in a flame war, being the primary reason the thread on the other forum was locked. But all i can say is, fans have read far too much into things in evangelion, so now everything means something, when in fact, a lot of objects were just placed/named for no particular reason, other than towards the end of the series, Anno started reading a psychology book, and wanted to add stuff to it.
Now of course, if you define the quality of a piece of television purely in terms of how enjoyable it is, then that's perfectly reasonable.You admit that what we are doing is perfectly fine. So why do you say in the next line that it isn't perfectly fine? Is that not Contradicting yourself?
No, you're parsing that part of the paragraph incorrectly. I state that what people are doing is perfectly fine under a certain condition, then I challenge that condition. Complex ideas sometimes need to be broken down into multiple sentences, you see.
But I think such a definition would woefully misrepresent the realities of the situation.The nature of the situation is anime companies create shows that appeal to all and gain money from the masses. That is the reality of the situation. There is no "art".
No, you're stereotyping. The situation is far more complex than that, it's true only some of the time.
So Naruto. Its goal is to entertain, and it does this extremely well.So wouldn't that make it a great show? Since we're comparing different shows, we have to judge on how well it achieves the goal. 90% of people will like or hate naruto because it does everything it has to do.
I never said it wasn't a great show. It's possible for something to be significantly better than "great." Although whether doing something easy very well is sufficient for greatness really depends on how high you set your standards. But since this is a comparitive question, it's irrelevant.
Evangelion similarly achieves its goals extremely well.That is debatable. How many people have watched Eva and hated it? Tons! If Eva were achieving it's goal "extremly well" it would have everyone who watches it extremly pleased.
*Sigh.* When making something that experimental, it is impossible to please everyone. (Actually it's impossible to please everyone period.) It's incredibly difficult to get any real popularity at all that way. Do you really think Gainax set themselves impossible goals? As I said, Evangelion entertains a lot of people despite its nature. Your suggestion that something like Evangelion could conceivably be made to please everyone who watched it is ridiculous.
Entertaining is only a small part of what it sets out to doNo, it sets out to entertain people by using these commentary and etc.
You really think putting something in that perhaps only 1 in 10,000 people who watch it (eg, the EU stuff) are going to notice is really Gainax's idea of how to best entertain people? What a strange opinion you have of them.
How can it be Genre defining if it's something very different?
I haven't mentioned the concept of being "genre defining." Why are you putting this in a reply to me?
Entertaining the makers also falls under the category of entertaining.
I think when we talk about entertainment we are usually referring to the audience. Certainly that is the case in the context of the relevant paragraph here.
They never set out to "change the way anime is made.
That's debateable. But when they're basically calling it a "New Century Gospel," parodying conventional anime and attacking many of its more unwelcome conventions (eg. sexism), the conclusion that they are actively setting out to do this is difficult to escape. I'm wondering just how deeply you understand the anime to feel justified in making sweeping statements like this.
You even admit that naruto is done by gifted specialists."specialist entertainers" like Naruto
I think you're seeing what you want to see for the sake of your argument, instead of actually reading the sentence. It refers to the anime, NOT its creators, as a "specialist entertainer". All that "specialist" means is that it specialises in a certain thing and doesn't try to do all that much else. It carries no implications as to the quality of that work. Where have you found the word "gifted"?
But then you contradict yourself,Now imagine the talent and creative skill behind Naruto making something like Evangelion.
and claim that Naruto isn't made by specialists.
Never mind that you've completely misread the thing I'm supposed to be contradicting, how is it that you interpret the implication that a team would find it difficult to move from one activity to a very different one as contradicting the notion that that team is specialised in doing the first activity? I don't see any sense at all here.
I'm sure if Gainax tried to make a "naruto like anime" They couldn't do it. They just can't think that way. Just like the naruto team couldn't think like Gainax could.
Oh, Gainax could certainly "think that way." They'd just get bored very quickly because it's too simple and easy. I think that being unable to do something because you don't want to and being unable to do something because you're not good enough should be regarded as two very different things.
But all i can say is, fans have read far too much into things in evangelion, so now everything means something, when in fact, a lot of objects were just placed/named for no particular reason,
Oh, absolutely. I believe the commentry track to End of Eva has something like "we put those in because they looked cool" on it. Doesn't change the fact that there's an awful lot in it which does mean something. It's just not everything.
NinjaServ
2003-12-08, 22:23
hey everyone, let's compair Digi Charat with some random hentai :stupid:
gravitation
2003-12-08, 22:32
LOL ninjaserv! woah some ppl have posted reaaalll long posts!!! kah-razy!
Anyway evangelion all the way :D better art, story and ermm yeah! ^_^
lol this thread is funny, pointless but funny! ^^
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Alright NinjaServ
Bible Black vs Digi Charat
Of course the answer is Bible Black. It has the nekkid ladies. :naughty:
Sylvanthious
2003-12-08, 22:58
I voted Naruto
NinjaServ
2003-12-08, 23:14
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w0w, would u look at that!!! looks like something off of digi charat, we could call it the "Dildo Horse"
As someone said before, the whole idea of a comparison of these two animes is flawed since they are basically just determined by which genre and specific one you like better. Why not make a poll comparing Evangelion to Rahxephon, or another one comparing Naruto with Kenshin or DBZ, those two polls would at least provide people the opportunity to give valid arguments for why they believe one is better than the other.
Plus, there seems to be this attitude among people to hold Evangelion as a benchmark for the quality of other animes. However, Evangelion should only be held as the benchmark for anime with similar themes or the same genre like philosophical pieces or mecha anime. Naruto is a polar opposite of Evangelion in terms of theme and genre, so you really can't compare them, since there's nothing to base a comparison on except personal opinion. Granted, personal opinion will enter any poll, however this poll seems to elicit particularly conflicting views, since it pits two extremely fanatical groups of otakus against one another.
Nevertheless, since a personal opinion is all I can give to compare the aforesaid anime, I would vote for Evangelion.
Now of course, if you define the quality of a piece of television purely in terms of how enjoyable it is, then that's perfectly reasonable.
You admit that what we are doing is perfectly fine. So why do you say in the next line that it isn't perfectly fine? Is that not Contradicting yourself?
No, you're parsing that part of the paragraph incorrectly.
Are you accusing me of not arguing correctly?
I state that what people are doing is perfectly fine, then I challenge that condition.
That is quite clearly a contradiction. If you're unsure of the definition plese look it up again.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=contradict
But I think such a definition would woefully misrepresent the realities of the situation.
The nature of the situation is anime companies create shows that appeal to all and gain money from the masses. That is the reality of the situation. There is no "art".
No, you're stereotyping. The situation is far more complex than that, it's true only some of the time.
When you argue with other people how come whenever someone tries to prove you wrong you seem to decide that, that person cannot understand the somehow complex issue.
So Naruto. Its goal is to entertain, and it does this extremely well.
So wouldn't that make it a great show? Since we're comparing different shows, w have to judge on how well it achieves the goal. 90% of people will like or hate naruto because it does everything it has to do.
I never said it wasn't a great show. It's possible for something to be significantly better than "great." Although whether doing something easy very well is sufficient for greatness really depends on how high you set your standards.
Yes, obviously you must have a better comprehension of the english language then I do. You're full of shit and you know it.
since this is a comparitive question, it's irrelevant.
Once again my argument is irrelevant eh?
Evangelion similarly achieves its goals extremely well.
That is debatable. How many people have watched Eva and hated it? Tons! If Eva were achieving it's goal "extremly well" it would have everyone who watches it extremly pleased.
Do you really think Gainax set themselves impossible goals?
Yes.
Your suggestion that something like Evangelion could conceivably be made to please everyone who watched it is ridiculous.
So it was made so that people could hate it?
I'm wondering just how deeply you understand the anime to feel justified in making sweeping statements like this.
It's pretty lame how whenever someone insults evangelion they're insulted.
Do you truly understand eva? No, Eva is not about all that bullshit commentary bullshit you're talking about, It's about Anno making a cool anime. That's all he cared about. Some people watch it because of the "commentary" that you claim exists. Although most people watched it because they thought the girls or guys were hot. Take a good look at Gainax's online store. Most of it is Evangelion Hentai, proving that they don't give a damn about a story, they only care about raping people's wallet.
Never got into Eva so I picked Naruto. Also, I know in the long run I would prefer to rewatch Naruto over Eva even if I liked Eva more. Comedy/action over drama/action Just like I would prefer watching Slayer over and over again even now rather than watching Cowboy Bebop the 2nd times. Berserk is an exception :)
Esperchld
2003-12-09, 00:08
Definately Naruto. I loathed NGE (with the exception of one section of death/rebirth), and would rather watch almost anything instead.
I just wanted to post in this thread before it was closed.
Erm, yes? Did you even read my second paragraph?
Yes, and I simply replied that I like it better. I didn't say that your opinion was wrong or stupid, now did I?
*aznplayboi*
2003-12-09, 01:59
after my vote...ITS TIED!
GO NARUTO.....actually i shouldn't be voting since i never read or saw evangelion.
but.... GO NARUTO
What this topic is still open. Well then my vote goes to????
I will take bribes on who to vote for.
lavarock
2003-12-09, 04:40
You just simply can't compare this two...
As far as the impact on the anime industry, EVA far outreached in this catogory than Naruto
FinFangFoom
2003-12-09, 04:49
I think Naruto is much better than Eva for 3 reasons.
A) There were some emotionally charged situations in Eva that could have been great but there was no payoff. Everything just stops and nothing worthwhile happens.
B) If you have to REDO your ending because you failed the first time, then you fail again, you can't be truly great. (Yes it's only my opinion they failed twice but I know there are many many people who agree.)
C) Most of the deep psychological commentary that took place was bulls**t IMHO.
EVA was a good anime that seemed great at the time for many because it was one of their first exposures to anime.
You just simply can't compare this two...
As far as the impact on the anime industry, EVA far outreached in this catogory than Naruto
I don't know about in Japan, but I think it's waaaay to early to say that about the rest of the world because most people have not been exposed to Naruto yet. I think the extremly high popularity of Naruto even before it's licensed outside Japan may lead to it having a giant impact when it goes world wide.
Unsuspected
2003-12-09, 05:55
Although I didn't see Evangelion, I must admit that the tone I hear from the Evangelion fans seems rather snotty. All they have said seems to be along the lines of: "Oh, watch Evangelion if you want a thought provoking anime that is a masterpiece and watch naruto if you want dumb laugh"
I am sorry, but if you want to act smart or what-not, go read a book. There are plenty of famous books you can boast about reading, but don't pick on my Naruto. Naruto has great character development and sinks people in to the story, which is what really matters.
lavarock
2003-12-09, 06:03
BTW, shouldnt' this topic belongs to the Naruto forum?
BTW, shouldnt' this topic belongs to the Naruto forum?
Most normal people can´t bear that forum, so ...
You're full of shit and you know it.
Well, my rectum, and perhaps my colon depending on how you define it, but I'd hardly describe that as being full of it, and what's bodily composition got to do with the topic anyway? Unless that was a random pointless insult designed to turn a perfectly nice thread into a flamewar, of course. I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt over the issue, but. . . Anyway, stay on topic.
It's pretty lame how whenever someone insults evangelion they're insulted.
Don't make statistical deductions from a sample size of one. Unless you're talking about the wider world outside the thread, in which case show your evidence and justify its relevance to the thread.
Do you truly understand eva? No, Eva is not about all that bullshit commentary bullshit you're talking about, It's about Anno making a cool anime.
Actually, Eva actively parodies that kind of anime. But because parody imitates reality, it's done rather subtlely and Gainax are really an exceptionally talented bunch of people, a huge number of people interpret it as such. Including myself, (though with knowledge of what I'm doing in this case), at points, because it helps with the enjoyment.
I won't bother responding to the rest.
Yes, and I simply replied that I like it better. I didn't say that your opinion was wrong or stupid, now did I?
No, but you did say "would you believe" in a manner that suggested I wouldn't. Which was what I was responding to.
lavarock
2003-12-09, 08:15
Most normal people can´t bear that forum, so ...
but now it's contaminating this forum... It has its own forum for a reason right?
Since it's talking about two different titles, "general anime" seems most appropriate.
No, but you did say "would you believe" in a manner that suggested I wouldn't. Which was what I was responding to.
I said that because I don't think there are that many that do hold Naruto as an equal to NGE. That statement is not the same as your opinion is not true.
My statement merely suggested that I liked light hearted anime just as much as deep anime. Nothing more. There are many times when I prefer light hearted anime like Naruto and Hand Maid May to animes like .hack//SIGN and Boogiepop Phantom. Sometimes I don't care about thinking, I just want to be entertained.
Please excuse me if I don't continue to toss this ball around. I have better things to do than get into a discussion over a misinterpreted usage of words. Well, anymore than now anyway.
skittles and hohos
2003-12-09, 20:28
Comparing Naruto to NGE??
You will probably have better luck trying to compare Azumanga to Saikano or something like that instead...
Anyway since I absolutely hate Naruto and thought Eva was one of the best animes I've ever seen, i won't comment any further.
Ack my first post and I might already get flamed :D
I said that because I don't think there are that many that do hold Naruto as an equal to NGE. That statement is not the same as your opinion is not true.
OK, twas a simple misunderstanding which is now resolved. All is well.
I think that Naruto is a better series. I watched both of them and Evangelion was not nearly as entertaining. Is that not the purpose of an anime? I hated Evangelion. No it is not because I am mindles. I thought that all of the acclaimed "deep philisophical content" made little sense. I do not watch anime to learn about the purpose of life or ponder deep questions, I would rather be entertained and I did not find Evangelion entertaining at all.
Are you trying to get Naruto and NGE fans into a war or something? :nono: I hope you didn't realize the incendiary results than may come from this thread... :heh: ^_^ |||
As with most art, anime is subjective. I happen to like both series, though as others have said these anime are as comparable as apples and oranges... they're very different.
As an anime fan, I'd recommend you to watch both! :-D You can (almost) never get enough anime! ;)
My personal anime favorite of all time is Kareshi Kanojo no Jisho (His and Her Circumstances) though :love:... watch that series before the others :D
I do not watch anime to learn about the purpose of life or ponder deep questions, I would rather be entertained and I did not find Evangelion entertaining at all.
If I actually cared about other shows I wouldn't be arguing for the sake of arguing. I find it hillarious how Lambda took this argument seriously. Naruto vs Eva. Anyone who defends either show is retarded. I hate snobby Eva fanbois just as much as I hate naruto fanbois. Atleast most naruto fanbois aren't so damn snobbie. The anime Evangelion is nothing more then escapism. Saying that your interpretation of the show is what makes it great is absolute bullshit. You're not judging it on what happened, your judging it on your interpretation of it.
What actually happened was Some dork got to pilot a mech. For some god damn reason he is damn good at piloting. He meets a few chicks he'd like to bone. He never gets to bone any of them so he starts to cry. Someone needs to punch that dorky retard in the face. The only purpose behind the show is so they could sell tons of hentai merchendise.
Naruto is about some stupid kid that no one likes, except for some stupid bitch. The Main charater has no friends what so ever. Sasuke his main rival is gay. Sakura is a stupid ugly bitch. The only purpose behind the show is to appeal to the gay dragon ball z crowd. I hope they all die.
Please for the love of god close this pathetic shell of a thread. It shouldn't have even been allowed to exist.
I agree this thread should be closed already its only leading up to flame wars an such. What a stupid thread to begin with it was obvious that the thread maker wanted to start something.
FinFangFoom
2003-12-10, 00:53
Saying that your interpretation of the show is what makes it great is absolute bullshit. You're not judging it on what happened, your judging it on your interpretation of it.
I think on this point your wrong. While I personally didn't like any of the pycological crap in EVA, I do prefer music and art that is open to interpretation. And I think anime can deffinatly be considered an art form. If someone is able to see something in EVA that they find to be moving or inspiring or thought provoking then thats great for them and not stupid at all.
About the only stupid thing was your summary of those two anime. Yeah im sure it was mostly said just to get a angry response from people, but it was still stupid. :p
I want read JAppi's summary of Galaxy Express..:D:D
extarbags
2003-12-10, 01:07
Naruto is good if you're a seven year old with an extra chromosome.
Eva is good if you like pretentious, pseudointellectual bullshit, and if you're the kind of guy that likes to pretend that something has meaning so you seem smart.
Naruto is good if you're a seven year old with an extra chromosome.
Eva is good if you like pretentious, pseudointellectual bullshit, and if you're the kind of guy that likes to pretend that something has meaning so you seem smart.
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There should be a Eva Naruto Cross over Doujinshi! Naruto could punch that whiney shinji's ass!
I will say this before reading everyone's else response to this question.
To me Evangilion is better, way better, no wait, untouchable by Naruto, because of Sakura. I have seen all of both (what they got so far). I could sit through and watch Evangilion, but I could not sit through and watch Naruto. Yeah, I know Shingi is a little whinner, but he has something to do with the story. On the other hand Sakura just BYTCHES and is not much of the story. She is just another JarJar Binks. The story could have gone without her (in the anime, I have not read the manga yet). So therefore in my conclusion Evangilion is much better then Naruto.
NenMaster
2003-12-11, 11:03
aint seen evangelion but i know u cant compare them cause there diffrent genre
but if u said hxh and naruto then HXH OWNS THE HELL OUT OF IT
:)
juri_miki
2003-12-11, 11:36
What two exremely different shows to compare. It's almost like comparing Hamtaro to Perfect Blue.
If anything I thought that this was going to be "Which is better, Evanegelion or Rahxephon?" thread.
Well IMHO, people like what they like. Evanegelion has it's fans, but it is true Naruto could be for everyone. Evanegelion is more complex. Naruto has much simpler storytelling making it more appealing to a broader audience than Eva. A much better comparison might've even been Naruto and DB or DBZ since Naruto is based off of that.
I must say this is not good question to poll. Eva fans are famous for their defense of the series and Naruto is just as popular for fans of shonen action. Why even compare the two? In fact this is almost a troll question since we will get nothing but heated debate and flames out of it.
Anime is as diverse as movies. It's like comparing "The Pianist" to "The Matrix" and asking people which is the better film. Let's just please drop the subject.
If the forum owner is reading this, please consider closing this thread.
It's more like comparing the WWE to "Friends", i.e., they're diffent kinds of shows and they both suck.
Oneesama
2003-12-11, 20:49
neverthless~ Eva is beating Naruto by 2 votes ^^
bluemist
2003-12-11, 21:47
It just really depends on different tastes. If possible, watch both, and you decide.
IMSabbel
2003-12-11, 22:06
You could also ask:
Who is the better writer: Hemmingway or Stephen King?
Its not even the same genre, and because its based on a mange, there is little "creative archivement" behind the anime.
Not that i really accept eva has a really good anime. It has many flaws, one of them being the writer on a really big ego fuck trip at the end. Someone who says: "i made it as complicated as possible to make it more intellectual (not exact quote)" has really messed up his priorities.
And its really fun to see what some eva evangelists try put into random stuff. That AT is a common term in psychoanalys, so it HAS to have a DEEP meaning. Or the last words of Rei in End of Evangelion. A late edit by some minor animator because "I wont be killed by the likes of you" sounded cliché....
Actually they are some what similar shows. They are both about adolecanse and growing up. They both have fighting and action. They both have mad fanbois.
The only real diffence is that Naruto fanbois tend to be rather ignorant and Eva fanbois are snobbish.
KeishoumoriDei
2003-12-11, 23:02
Wait people WAIT! Don't close this thread! This thread has a meaningful purpose. BTW, raggy I think you mean Asuka. Anyways, just look at you people! Look at yourselves! This is amazing! The thread itself is a stupid topic, because those two animes have nothing in common, but you guys have managed to successfully compare two completely different animes that can potentially start a flame war! No flame wars have started yet, but everyone is getting their point across. This is an amazing achievement that is not possible on normal message boards/forums! You guys should all give yourselves a BIG pat on the back for your great job.
Now, for my two cents. The thread specifies which anime is ~better~. I definately think that NGE was a better anime due to the work put behind to make it such a controversial anime. You have the basic girl arguements between Rei and Asuka. There is also the room for intelligent debates on its philosophies, and which ending was better. NGE is VERY old, and for such an old anime to be still debated is proof that it was successful. The point is, this thread is not asking for which one people enjoyed, but which was better. My opinion goes with many others that NGE was better. Watching the whole thing felt like reading a novel.. it was epic..... and yes, I really like NGE.
PS: You people really like posting INCREDIBLY long posts, don't you.... those posts that quoted a part and responded were REALLY long... scary..
luckme10
2003-12-13, 05:28
love the Ng kei.. Wow this is like totally amazing! Like a completely balanced scale. Everytime something pulls ahead the other one balances is out! Are you sure someones not pulling a game on this mod? It seems like its too good to be true. Nearly 100 votes and still dead even. Anyways I was hopping someone would tell me what evangelion ment to them. As you all know it can be deeply psychological at times. What did you get out of eva?
User_Name
2003-12-13, 18:13
I, liking pretentious, pseudointellectual bullshit, and being the kind of guy that likes to pretend that something has meaning so you seem smart, like eva a lot more.
Most mature viewers(18+) prefer eva, teens prefer naruto. Not that naruto is bad. If i was 5-6 years younger, i probably would like naruto more, cuz i would be too dumb to understand eva
Oh yeah, i made this account cuz the votes were tied, for eva IS my fav & im no anime n00b. i have well over 1 tb of anime & have watched a lot more anime than i have on my comp cuz i grow up watching anime/manga (lived in korea & japan til i was 11...).
XxNarutoFanxX
2003-12-14, 14:46
I, liking pretentious, pseudointellectual bullshit, and being the kind of guy that likes to pretend that something has meaning so you seem smart, like eva a lot more.
Most mature viewers(18+) prefer eva, teens prefer naruto. Not that naruto is bad. If i was 5-6 years younger, i probably would like naruto more, cuz i would be too dumb to understand eva
Oh yeah, i made this account cuz the votes were tied, for eva IS my fav & im no anime n00b. i have well over 1 tb of anime & have watched a lot more anime than i have on my comp cuz i grow up watching anime/manga (lived in korea & japan til i was 11...).
"You are not an anime otaku if you dont watch Neon Genesis Evangelion"
Quoted that from a mass of anime otakus in AX, School and forums.
To be honest I never watched it and it doesnt really thrill me with all the sci fi kinda stuff. So i cant really compare the two as of now. I really don't want to be confused as much cause i have about 20 animes i am watching at this moment(some i didnt even start yet). Ironically enough i had heard a lot about this and i got into anime last January. I ve even consider watching it one time until my friend told me its confusing as hell at first(like Lain which i never watched either).
Kinda off topic and not to be flaming but
User_Name you've been using this forum now? And your new to this forum? Kind of hard to believe cause you been watching anime since a long time ago? You also have a tb of anime??? a tb? 1000 gb??(exactly 1024 gb) I can believe u can buy that much anime in forms of dvd's but i really cant beleive u have that much money. Do you spend a crap load of money buying that? How rich are you? If my math is right(assuming your collection is all DVD's) you should have 218 + DVD's. IF my math is right again(again assumming that thier all DVD's and all DVD's cost at least $30 USD) you have $6510+ of anime. And I thought my friend was a anime otaku. He probally have half of what you have in DVD's and he has a high paying job.(Software manager for some big company)
The Xenos
2003-12-14, 19:48
bah. younger anime whippersnappers and your na-ru-toe. back in my day we had evangleion and it put a screwdriver into our brains and swirled it around. plus anno's creation was jsut on so many levels, mech, comedy, romance, psychology, religion, relationships. naruto jsut doesn't go that deep and I think while it is solid, it is highly overrated.
acutally, i think the better survey woulda been Naruto and One Piece. I vote One Piece. They're both the top of the line rihgt now for big epic series, but i think One Piece has much much better pacing.
-Xenos
*aznplayboi*
2003-12-14, 20:00
acutally, i think the better survey woulda been Naruto and One Piece. I vote One Piece. They're both the top of the line rihgt now for big epic series, but i think One Piece has much much better pacing.
-Xenos
um....good for you...
I've been a long time reading of these forums.. I just registered so I can make a point.
I think theres one big piece of information everyone is missing here...
The fact that Naruto is still on-going and Evangelion is finished. You can't compare an unfinished project to a project that has been done for years... thats like comparing a half way done piece of art to something like the Mona Lisa. It can't be done and if it is, it's pointless.
You can't compare these 2 anime period. They are two completely different genre, two completely different sort of plot, sort of art, sort of... adience! They cannot be compared.
KeishoumoriDei
2003-12-15, 21:21
Hmm... Rue, that's an excellent point that we missed.... but I still maintain my point that this thread is quite successful... hehehe.... uweeheeheehee.... and ARG! Eva is losing by one vote! NOOOOOooooooOOOOoooo! It can't be! Noooo! *insert dramatic clichéd scene here*
acutally, i think the better survey woulda been Naruto and One Piece. I vote One Piece. They're both the top of the line rihgt now for big epic series, but i think One Piece has much much better pacing.
Hmm i was thinking about the same thing when i read the topic of this thread. Wouldnt it be better to compare one piece with something like the dragon ball series where human strength is blown out of proportion and the show is longer than u could hope for. Still naruto vs one piece works.
As for NGE and Naruto i agree with many people who posted in this thread. They are two complete different things. IMO both show are great to watch and have their ups and downs. NGE was the first anime show that i ever saw and unfotunately i was starting high school when i saw it and it screwed with my head. It was a bit complicated and it was more like puzzle where i had to put all the pieces together. Naruto on the other hand is more like a guilty pleasure for me. I think it has a decent plot and it just fun to sit down and watch some action oriented show for a change. The only problem with naruto is that the pacing of it is so bad that i usually skim through the episodes. Well as i have watched a good deal of anime in these past few years, i think that both of these shows are overrated. doesnt mean that they suck, its just that people praise too much and make them sound better than what they really are.
I liked Eva. I don't care what people say. Of course, I liked it for the sparse fight scenes that were just flat out awesome, but that's besides the point. :P The plot wasn't too bad, either. End of Eva was cool in a screwed up sort of way.
Naruto, I dunno. I'll still watch it, I guess. It's just not nearly as cool as it used to be anymore. Like at first, the novelty of "OMG KAGEBUNSHIN!!!!111" just makes people freak out, but now, it's just getting tedious. Sure, it's still "nice," but a little thing about length just has to be dealt with. Because Naruto so far is going to be at least 200+ episodes (unless Naruto becomes Hokage in the next 3 :P ), it's just going to get dilluted, and it already has. Each fight is like, 4 episodes long, while they could have EASILY condensed it to 1 or at very most 2. The manga's better for not wasting so much time.
And, dude, Jappi? In complete honesty, Lambda DOES have a better comprehension of the English language than you do. He also doesn't mindlessly insult people.
two completely different sort of plot
Not really, they're both about growing up and adolesance (sp?).
sort of art
Eva is just older, you shouldn't really compare a series by it's art form.
sort of... adience!
Not really, they both appeal to the same sort of people who claim anime is some sort of godlike art.
Comparing the two shows is similar to Comparing Prince of Tennis with Aim for the Ace. They're both about more or less the same thing but they have a different presentation of it.
i've never seen such a serie that manages to tell about greatness of "family" and "friendship". i think naruto is better.
KeishoumoriDei
2003-12-16, 19:31
blargh..... eva is still losing by one... blarg.. i'm gonna go and get eva02 to come and kill everyone.. hehe...... on a side note.. how do you people manage to have enough space to keep 200+episodes of naruto while keeping others as well? Do you have like.. MASSIVE harddrives or something? I only have 30 gigs...
The only real diffence is that Naruto fanbois tend to be rather ignorant and Eva fanbois are snobbish.
Snobbish?!? I prefer "jaded". :D
PS this thread is so stupid, its like having a poll to see which is better: Schindler's List or Bad Boys 2.
Alfzilla
2003-12-17, 03:07
blargh..... eva is still losing by one... blarg.. i'm gonna go and get eva02 to come and kill everyone.. hehe...... on a side note.. how do you people manage to have enough space to keep 200+episodes of naruto while keeping others as well? Do you have like.. MASSIVE harddrives or something? I only have 30 gigs...
Its 50/50 now and Naruto is only in the 60's i dont know where u got 200+ from. Also i have a totall of about 200GB worth or hard drive splace and yes most of it is full of anime. Plus allot of other stuff on CD.
Sepiraph
2003-12-17, 14:22
Pointless poll and a pointless thread... why would anyone be comparing these two animes together?
I can see why someone would compare Naruto to Hunter X Hunter, or Neon Genesis Evangelion to RahXephon, but Naruto to EVA? :eyebrow:
*aznplayboi*
2003-12-17, 22:44
why is everybody saying you cant compare?.....thats only for some ppl...
Snobbish?!? I prefer "jaded". :D
PS this thread is so stupid, its like having a poll to see which is better: Schindler's List or Bad Boys 2.
Bad Boys 2 is so much better than Schindler's List. There are like no explosions at all in Schindler's List.
In my opinion Naruto is like the CS of anime ---> HIGHLY overrated.
I admit I follow and enjoy Naruto and download every new episode, but you can't seriously say it's a very high quality anime, can you?
They didn't really put much thought in to the characters in Naruto. IMO many of them are quite useless and could be wiped away without me complaining. NGE had much fewer characters and they were so much more "alive" than the ones in Naruto.
Another thing is the pacing. Naruto tends to crawl forward veeery slowly and they use a lot of useless scenes like "the stunned faces", "the slowly getting up after being beaten to a pulp" and short comments from each character when they see someone doing a cool move. All of those are so cliche by now that it almost disgusts me. Naruto also uses a lot of filler episodes and most of them are very ridiculous. That clover special episode was by far the worst Naruto episode ever made.
The animation quality greatly varies in the series. Sometimes it's really good, sometimes it makes your eyes burn because it looks so terrible, which is not good.
Despite all these flaws, I think Naruto is a good anime, just a bit too simple and sometimes so very childish for my taste.
The Xenos
2003-12-22, 01:30
well said, Archuka. couldn't agree more. as for the crawl and excessive cliche scenes, that is what really bugs me. Maybe if they filled that time better I would like Naruto more, but because of that I think it's overrated. Though the characters and the story is pretty good otherwise. One good comparision, from the little i've seen and all the things i've heard from roomates, is that One Piece crams a lot of movement and story into each ep and fills its time quite well.
-xenos
I have watched both Naruto, and NGE, and i have nothing else to say but, Naruto IS the best anime ever. 10-0 gg.
I have watched both Naruto, and NGE, and i have nothing else to say but, Naruto IS the best anime ever. 10-0 gg.
Congratulations, you're officially a moron :D, if there was any doubt before about your stupidity it has been quashed completely.
voted for NGE, cause naruto is getting annoying friggin soap...
Hey Naruto is beating out NGE by 1% so it must be better. LOL j/k. Why is this thread active again I thought it died, who brought it back again. :mad: This thread isn't relevent anymore theres nothing more to discuss, mods close this thread already.
Sigh, thought this thread was long expired. Think it's time to lay it to rest.
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