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I think that gunslinger girls is awsome anime and like to ask if there is a manga of it too ?
HK anime seeker
2003-12-09, 01:20
I think that gunslinger girls is awsome anime and like to ask if there is a manga of it too ?
They manga does exsist!
http://www.animenation.com/mgg-001.html //This is the english version.
yes... infact i saw volume 1 of the manga in barnes 'n' nobles when i was buying Dreamcatcher today
I bought it from Amazon.co.uk a while back (before I found out they sell it here too...). It's almost identical to the anime. I actually prefer the anime because the action sequences in the manga tend to be very dark (color-wise).
thnx alot. now i have to start saveing some money to get it shipped to finland :)
I bought it from Amazon.co.uk a while back (before I found out they sell it here too...). It's almost identical to the anime. I actually prefer the anime because the action sequences in the manga tend to be very dark (color-wise).
I compared the japanese and the american covers and I must say the american is pretty dark compared to the jap one, I assume you can blame a bad editor for those dark action sequences.
maxthelostboy
2003-12-09, 18:31
the manga is awesome! advmanga does it and i loved it/ For 10 bucks its a great present for any gunslinger fan. I always buy more manga than anime due to it lasts me longer, read it anywhere and i can usally* get more manga for the price of an anime dvd. I love it!
MetaFire
2003-12-12, 01:08
The manga was pretty good, even though mine had a few instances where the world bubbles would be in the binding or the words weren't directly in the bubble. The anime and the manga seem to follow the same storyline. I like the cover the the manga. Can't wait for the next one to come out!
stormy001_M1A2
2004-03-23, 01:58
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/Stormy001_m1a2/misc/Resize_of_090.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/Stormy001_m1a2/misc/Resize_of_091.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/Stormy001_m1a2/misc/Resize_of_092.jpg
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/Stormy001_m1a2/misc/Resize_of_093.jpg
This volume rocks and the story is yet to finish.
A lot of action in this volume, action fans should be quite happy. As you can see above, the bionic operators did not have things their way all the time.
HK anime seeker
2004-04-08, 05:12
WOW! Is that guy just lucky or real good? Also will there be a volume 4?
ADV needs to hurry up and get Vol. 2...i've already gone through withdrawl
HK anime seeker
2004-04-23, 22:55
Is vol.3 the last volumn in the series or is ther more to come?
any one know how many volumes is there in this serie ?
any one know how many volumes is there in this serie ?
3, maybe 4 now
...like i said months ago, ADV needs to hurry up
3, maybe 4 now
...like i said months ago, ADV needs to hurry up
ADV definitly needs to hurry up...and after watching the anime, the manga vol.1 just don't give me as much enjoyment as the anime (though it's still great)...I really want to read the stuff that's not in the anime :heh:
"Gunslinger Girl" is a manga done by Aida Yu, a prominent illustrator in the doujin world.
Aida Yu's JEWELBOX: http://www.remus.dti.ne.jp/~jewelbox/
He gained popularity by doing the illustrations and characters for minori's ero-game, "BITTERSWEET FOOLS"
minori HP: http://www.minori.ph/
"Gunslinger Girl" is serialized on Monthly Dengeki Daioh magazine: http://www.mediaworks.co.jp/special/daioh/index.php
"Gunslinger Girl" is currently at Vol. 3 in the manga tankoubons.
bluemist
2004-06-18, 23:50
I see, so that's why... I remembered looking at some Bittersweet Fools pictures before... I thought it has a similar style as Gunslinger Girl.
Hmm... minori got a .ph domain, hehe (Philippine domain name)
is the manga like has a continuation after the anime or it ends at the exact same time the anime ends?
is the manga like has a continuation after the anime or it ends at the exact same time the anime ends?
no and no
GSG manga is a different telling of the same story
in essence, the "manga version"
no and no
GSG manga is a different telling of the same story
in essence, the "manga version"
Based on the first volume, it seems to be the same events as the anime, just in a different order.
Based on the first volume, it seems to be the same events as the anime, just in a different order.
there are other minor differences as well
for instance, if i remember correctly some of the manga's descriptions of things were a bit more...explicit (i think i remember Henrietta's accident being described in greater detail in the manga)
DarkCntry
2004-08-18, 02:29
I also remember the manga describing the girls in more depth as well, but I could be mistaken as I haven't seen it since my friend showed me an original print :P
angelica died in the manga? and did the manga continue after that (if its inside the manga)
Beyond Panda
2004-09-07, 09:12
Oh man I only found Vol 1 in a local anime store here in canada.
i need volume 2 and 3!
!
RunningTARGET
2004-09-07, 11:29
Oh man I only found Vol 1 in a local anime store here in canada.
i need volume 2 and 3!
!
I'm also on book 1 and its been ages, I bought it at the same time as full metal panic 1 and steel angel kurumi 1 came out and there both on 5 now ( 6 even).
What the fuck is ADV doing. Dont tell they stoped releasing it because is not that popular as the other two, god I hope not. :frustrated:
anyone heard anything about volume two? I picked up volume one the other day and ate it up... then went back for volume two and now I find out it hasn't been translated... :(
HK anime seeker
2004-11-22, 12:16
You know volume four is out in japan right?
You know volume four is out in japan right?
I know but as far as I know there is no english version of anything past volume one. I can't read Japanese.
MakubeX2
2004-11-22, 17:10
Not much stuffs has happened to our girls so you guys don't have to worry.
Except that :-
She gets a new present from Giosef, got into a bit of a fight with Rico but all ends well for her.The problem lies with Giose now as he kinda get into a burn out mode in his relationship with Etta.
Jean is still as cold to her as ever.But we get to see her cute and childish side which is not displayed before Jean.She gets a new "toy" or 2 tp play with and even get dressed in a evening gown in one of her mission
The big sister get pwned by a Repulican Assasin in hand-to-hand combat.Got a bit upset for a short while but she met Mario's daughter and grows up a bit.Oh, we finally get a glimsp into her past.
She still takes it a day at a time.We get to spend a day with her,see what she does and what keeps her going.
It seems that all is not well with Angel.She kind of need drugs to calm her down when ever she gets anxious over a mission but her skills has improve along with her relation with Marco.
We get to see a bit into Gioseffo and Jean's past and what exactly happen to them and their....little sister. Franca's past and what drives her to become a terrorist.Hilscher's first meeting with Triela and Marco's former girlfriend finally finds out what he does.
And according to Amazon. ADV will release GSG Vol.2 next spring, around March 2005.
USCPharmacist
2004-11-23, 03:18
did elsa come back from the grave? j/k
Gunslinger girl is kindda old but it's still my fave, next to Elfen lied and FMP fumoffu. I wonder if the vectors can cut thru pure carbon fiber....might make an interesting crazy cross over comic!!! except of course Japanese are not interested in cheap american sale boosting tactic for their dying superheros series eheheh
MakubeX2
2004-11-23, 06:10
did elsa come back from the grave? j/k
Nope,but there's a new girl in town,Beatric.The group's a sextant now.
Gunslinger girl is kindda old but it's still my fave, next to Elfen lied and FMP fumoffu. I wonder if the vectors can cut thru pure carbon fiber....might make an interesting crazy cross over comic!!! except of course Japanese are not interested in cheap american sale boosting tactic for their dying superheros series eheheh
That will not work.GSG is based reality based. Not much of Sci-Fi stuffs in there.
USCPharmacist
2004-11-23, 12:09
actually that was a joke on the cross over part. I am just making fun of all those cross over in American comic to boost sales.
The comic industries in America must be kindda piss that comic books remain in the nitch market whereas mangas are getting mainstream. Although the rise in american acceptance to manga also coincide with the falling of the Japanese animation industries. Sad isn't it.
UPDATE!!!
YAY!
gunslinger girl, volume two:
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=gu5oeGUAbr&endeca=1&isbn=1413902332&itm=7
due out in march 2005. im so glad i caught that.
Finally. Hopefully it won't be one volume a year.
Catafriggm
2005-12-27, 02:26
I have a couple of questions about the manga.
1. Is the manga still going? I saw there are 6 volumes out in Japan, but that doesn't tell me if the series is still being written (and I can't read Japanese...).
2. Does the manga contain a significant amount of material not in the anime, especially in volumes 4-6?
Catafriggm to answer your questions.
1) Yes currently the series is still ongoing in Japan. Volume 6 just came out about a week ago. It's serialized monthly meaning so many pages are printed in a giant phone book like comic with other different manga series. After so many pages come out they put them in tankoubons aka manga form of about 200 pages plus. And that is your volume format.
2) The anime and manga are pretty much dead on with each other but the manga keeps going with lots more action and story. Plus a few new characters etc. Basically Angelica is still alive and kicking that's why I believe she never died in the anime. The anime barely covers the first 2 volumes maybe half way at most into volume 3. So if they wanted to they have enough reference material to animate another season.
I already have volumes 1-5, while I'm waiting for volume for number 6 to arrive from Japan hopefully sometime this week.
Catafriggm
2005-12-27, 03:02
Aha. Thanks for the info. I did like the anime, and I was wondering if there was any additional material in the manga. That just leaves the question of whether ADV will ever get around to translating the rest of it after volume 3 (considering their manga web site hasn't been updated in a year and a half, it makes me worry about the state of the company... :p).
And while I'm mentioning my own desires, I REALLY wish somebody would license the Elfen Lied manga (as fan groups are doing an underwhelming job of translating it, as well as that I'd also like hard-copies of it).
Yeah I got fed up with ADV and their licensing of a manga series and never releasing them in a timely fashion or the rest of the volumes when they been out in Japan for like a year plus. So since I can read enough japanese I decided I can't wait so I ordered the whole series raw 1-5 even though I bought 1-3 by ADV. I mean volumes 1 to 2 took 1 and half years in the states.
Ridiculous I'll never buy manga from them ever again they are a joke I hope their manga division goes under. Even their translations are going down hill, plus all the errors that get through did you ever preview Yotsuba.
I was waiting for number 6 to come out and came across the release date in time to pre-order it. Man I love this series it really heats up in volume 4 onward and the art work keeps getting better and better.
Actually Dfens I think their manga division did go under. That's why it's taking so long.
MakubeX2
2006-01-01, 08:30
Just an update to what's going on in the manga currently (Chapter 33).
The new 16-year old Red Hair 2nd Stage Prototype, Pavlushka, move in with the other girls in this chapter. She chat up with Claes and tells her handler Alexandro that she find Claes interesting of the glasses she's wearing. Alexandro commented that she must have wear those out of unspoken truamantic experience.And that since Pavl is still "young", she will not understand the things Claes went through and that she should learn more about life from Claes.
Later, when Pavl don Claes' specs out of playfulness when Claes is in the shower. Claes goes Berserk and attack Pavl to get back the Specs. When questioned later, Claes answered that she did so out of natural reaction,not out of anger or anything and could not understand when the glasses are important to her.
Soon, Jean took Claes along with Alexnadro and Pavl out for a test of sorts at a harbour, Claes,upon looking out at sea, commented that it was her first time out of the Coporation and somehow she can't understand why she's crying. But Pavl understands why as she knew that Claes was recalling something eventful but sad from the bottom of her hearts. She ends by saying that she should start building up happiness in her memories.
Hey guys.
Have any of you read the manga for Gunslinger Girl, Vol 6? On the cover there is a girl with red hair; a girl I've never seen before. If someone could identify this mystery girl I'd be very pleased. Thankee ^_^
NoSanninWa
2006-04-11, 03:31
I haven't seen that volume yet, but I suspect the answer is in the post right above yours:
The new 16-year old Red Hair 2nd Stage Prototype
What's taking so long for ADV-Manga to release volume 4? Crikes man! I would think that the manga was over in Japan though, but they're in volume 6? Well beyond the anime? I would love a season 2 of GSG!
What's taking so long for ADV-Manga to release volume 4? Crikes man! I would think that the manga was over in Japan though, but they're in volume 6? Well beyond the anime? I would love a season 2 of GSG!
Because ADV Manga is currently run by An Otaku, a Communist, a Anti-Manga girl, and a photocopier (Hehe just had to take a little dig at Comic Party).
ADV is so far in the red I wouldn't be surprised that the Manga division has a staff of 1 let alone a staff of 4.
I have all 6 volumes of Gunslinger Girl the official Japanese mangas and the volumes 1-3 released by ADV.
Volume 6 came out last December I got it right when it came out. The girl on the cover is the new GSG her name is Petoruushuka which means Petrushka it's a Russian name. She was a ballerina who was very talented but got cancer which would have ruined her career. So the social welfare agencey took her in and wiped her memory and gave her the cybernetic implants.
Out of all the girls she is like Triela the most that she is normal no mental or social issues other than being the oldest she acts and looks like a normal teenager.
The weapon she is given is a Spectre M4, 30 rounds, 9mm submachine gun they haven't shown which pistol she will using yet. But I'm guessing she'll use some sort of Italian gun probably some sort of Beretta.
As for ADV good luck on volume 4 I got tired of waiting all the way back when volume 1 came out in Oct 2003 so I got the Japanese versions since I can read it.
To me ADV manga division is dead they barely started release FMP again after god knows when the last volume came out. But you know their is a problem when GSG volume 2 took over 1 & 1/2 years between issues. Volumes 4 and 5 have been out more than long enough to translate.
The anime covers about half way through volume 3 so they have enough for a second season but who knows if they'll animate more. They kind of left it open for season 2 but also they ended it in a way to end it for good.
Anyone read Vol 7 ? Updates ?
Who are those two in the cover ?
grown up Triela ?
octoberasian
2006-09-05, 19:12
I'm curious, just started with Gunslinger Girl, and finishing watching the anime at the moment, did ADV censor and/or remove certain portions of the manga? I've read that in the English release that there are misplaced text, randomly deleted artwork, and empty text bubbles. If that's true, then getting the English language version would not be worth it if an American publisher is outright censoring major portions of it.
*sigh* Stupid, conservative Americans. They ruin anime a lot. I don't know why I live here in the first place.
What's everyone's thoughts on it? I have no way of acquiring the original Japanese version to do comparisons; nor do I know Japanese well enough to read and comprehend it. But, if it's actually censored and/or has deleted content, I wouldn't be interested in getting it unless it's a one-to-one copy of the original Japanese version without censorship or major editing.
I am also very dissapointed. I do not know Japanese to continue with the manga series and am waiting fot ADV to finish or some one else to pick up the slack. I wish they would do somthing but ADV says they have plans.
Woo I came across this thread again on accident but I'll help out once again.
Kertas: I just got Volume 7 yesterday I was so pissed that it came out back in
July 27,2006. I didn't even know their was a volume 7 till a few days ago when I tried the authors website and by accident found out that their was. Luckily their is a Japanese shopping center around the corner from my house and they have a book store that sells all the mangas from japan.
Anyways the 2 girls on the cover are Triela on the left with Claes on the right. They are not grown up I though that was the case as well until I read the book. The reason they look older is because in this volume they wear more adult oriented clothing and makeup to look older for the mission they are assigned.
octoberasian: ADV did not edit or censor anything. I have all 7 Japanese volumes and the 3 that ADV released and comparing 1-3 of both versions. The only difference is 3 things. One the price the Japanese volumes go for about nearlly 6 bucks but I paid around 8 at that one store. Which is fair since they have to import them from Japan. Two the quality of paper is much better on the japanese versions. And three the Japanese versions have high quality dust covers which I like other then that they're completely the same.
If you have anymore questions feel free to ask.
Looks like ADV Manga is continuing some of their manga-series, including Gunslinger Girl.
At least we have release dates:
Volume 4 (http://www.amazon.ca/Gunslinger-Girl-4-Yu-Aida/dp/141390341X/ref=sr_1_15/701-7679256-5349116?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174306612&sr=1-15) (Jun 27 2007)
Volume 5 (http://www.amazon.ca/Gunslinger-Girl-5-Yu-Aida/dp/1413903460/ref=sr_1_16/701-7679256-5349116?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174306612&sr=1-16) (Sep 5 2007)
Volume 6 (http://www.amazon.ca/Gunslinger-Girl-6-Yu-Aida/dp/1413903525/ref=sr_1_17/701-7679256-5349116?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174306612&sr=1-17) (Nov 21 2007)
chrno_the_sinner
2007-03-19, 21:05
Looks like ADV Manga is continuing some of their manga-series, including Gunslinger Girl.
At least we have release dates:
Volume 4 (http://www.amazon.ca/Gunslinger-Girl-4-Yu-Aida/dp/141390341X/ref=sr_1_15/701-7679256-5349116?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174306612&sr=1-15) (Jun 27 2007)
Volume 5 (http://www.amazon.ca/Gunslinger-Girl-5-Yu-Aida/dp/1413903460/ref=sr_1_16/701-7679256-5349116?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174306612&sr=1-16) (Sep 5 2007)
Volume 6 (http://www.amazon.ca/Gunslinger-Girl-6-Yu-Aida/dp/1413903525/ref=sr_1_17/701-7679256-5349116?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174306612&sr=1-17) (Nov 21 2007)
I think I speak for all of us when I say "WOO HOO!"
It's about time. I've been waiting for a long, loooong time.
Yay! Signs of life continue!
the.Merines
2007-03-19, 22:09
Super awesome-ness-osity!!! I've been patiently waiting for them to get off their rears or let go of the license. Maybe there is hope.
Ouch that's a long time to wait especially if you have been following the series since way back in Oct 03.
Luckily I have the Japanese volumes and the latest chapter releases to keep me going and up to date.
Well I'll by them anyways to add to my GSG collection.
Whoa that is good news, thanks kensuke.
MakubeX2
2007-03-23, 18:11
From the lastest chapter of GSG, Chapter 45 "Crepuscolo" .
http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/6435/ggirl04501hk3.th.jpg (http://img358.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ggirl04501hk3.jpg)
This month's focus is on Angelica, who by some chance is slowly regaining the memory from her past life. This fact puzzles the psychological and technical department. But she is send on a mission neverthless.
Meanwhile, her handler Marco is feeling quite unusual about the fact that Angelica is being very talkative for the day and resolves to talk to the technical department when they get back. When they encounter a suicide bomber.....
Angelica uses herself as a shield to guard Marco.
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/6669/ggirl04524wm9.th.jpg (http://img373.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ggirl04524wm9.jpg)
Marco ends up with superficial injuries. But nothing is known about Angelica as Alex did not mention her nor did Marco ask about her. Chapter ends with Petra and Alex discussion about the incident and Alex said that he, and only he alone. will not be happy if Petra did the same thing.
PS :-
Seems that Angelica will be killed off based on the chapter title (Italian for Dusk) and what happens in this chapter. (It'll tough to survive a close range suicide bomber)
Jose changes his hairstyle.
Vol.8 releasing on the 27th of March.
Alright I've been misssing chapters 38-42 since I found a site that posts the latest ones not too long ago.
So volume 8 is only like a week away plus the few days it takes to ship from japan
Kinokuniya here I come. Now I'll be all caugt up and be able to read the newest chapters without waiting for the volume releases.
Yeah I read chapter 45 the day it came out I hope Angelica makes it but who knows have to wait till April 21st to find out.
jianfish
2007-03-26, 09:55
I wonder if the translated manga volumes are in sync with the raw ones? I read the translated ones up to Vol.3. Does this mean that Vol.3 translated equals to the vol 3 in RAW? I wanted to follow up but I heard that they have stopped translating.
Anyway, went down to my local comics store and saw GSG girl Vol.1 to Vol.7 there. Its in Chinese and so I was wondering if I ought to start from vol 4 where I left off. Appreciate if those reading the Jap raw could advise me.
i;m new to the manga but i had enjoyed the short anime series.
sorry for the noob question (to this thread anyway) but can someone tell me what manga chapters the anime covered? (if it did cover the manga that is...)
what chapter of the manga would post anime story begin? i ask because that's where i'd like to start reading it...
sorry for the noob question (to this thread anyway) but can someone tell me what manga chapters the anime covered? (if it did cover the manga that is...)
The anime only covers the first two volumes of the manga (ch1-ch11).
I wonder if the translated manga volumes are in sync with the raw ones? I read the translated ones up to Vol.3. Does this mean that Vol.3 translated equals to the vol 3 in RAW? I wanted to follow up but I heard that they have stopped translating.
Eh? Chapter shuffling usually occurs when making anime adaptations but I see no reason for them to pull that off for the English translations. The official licensed English translations stalled at volume 3 for quite a while so there are a few (not-so-legal) scanlation groups picking up from volume 4 onwards (currently working on volume 5, if I'm not mistaken). Of course, supporting the licensed version is supposed to be the right thing (cough, cough :heh: ) so you could just wait for the release of the later volumes if you want them in English (refer to Kensuke's post).
jianfish
2007-04-09, 10:25
The anime only covers the first two volumes of the manga (ch1-ch11).
Eh? Chapter shuffling usually occurs when making anime adaptations but I see no reason for them to pull that off for the English translations. The official licensed English translations stalled at volume 3 for quite a while so there are a few (not-so-legal) scanlation groups picking up from volume 4 onwards (currently working on volume 5, if I'm not mistaken). Of course, supporting the licensed version is supposed to be the right thing (cough, cough :heh: ) so you could just wait for the release of the later volumes if you want them in English (refer to Kensuke's post).
Thats all right. The chinese translated mangas are already up to Vol.7 so I guess I'll start from Vol.4 onwards. Wonder how the spell Hernietta in chinese :confused:
I hate sad endings but I know that this will be one story that is going to end up sad inevitably. :(
Roberto4d
2007-04-10, 00:14
Hi Dfens I'm Roberto, I was wondering, could you help me with any information
regarding where I could go to buy those Gunslinger Girl manga vol 4 thru 7?
Even if it's in Japanese, I know I'll enjoy buying those comics.
Also could you tell me the address of that local store you went to, so perhaps I could mail them a payment for comics as well?
One last thing, I've heard of a 5 figure set of GSG. Have you seen them, and if so
any ideas on getting them too?
Thanks for any help you can provide dfens!
Rob
Roberto4d the store I buy all my raw official japanese manga from is Kinokuniya they have a website but it's in japanese OS format so my USA version of windows can't display the text correctly. You see a bunch of ????????.
I have volume 8 of Gunslinger Girl on order but Kinokuniya hasn't got it yet they will call me when it comes in and I can pick it up.
Their address is
San Jose Store
685 Saratoga Ave., San Jose, CA 95129
phone: 408-252-1300/ fax: 408-252-2687
Store hours: 9:00am - 8:00pm
e-mail:sjbookweb@kinokuniya.com
As for the figures if you mean these: http://www.hlj.com/product/BET13077
I have a source who might be able to get them I'm waiting on her to back to me. My guess is since they delayed the release from March to April is the reason why she is having troubling finding them. I see people on Ebay selling pre-orders but I don't trust these HK people. If worse comes to worse I know another guy who is kind of a flake or I'll find someone on Ebay who has them.
I want a full box to guarantee me a full set plus the secret figure which is Elsa. Their is 10 figures to a box, a full set of 6 plus, 4 random extras. I'll probably sell the extras off.
If you have any more questions feel free to ask.
Man Volume 8 should be called the Petoruushuka volume it pretty much stars her for the entire volume. Now the manga is all caught up to the chapters except the last one released chapter 45.
It says expect volume 9 Winter 07.
Chapter 46
Angelica lives!
MakubeX2
2007-04-23, 19:30
Chapter 46
Angelica lives!
But not for long. In fact they didn't expect her to get out of the coma.
Jose even says that sharpnels are all over in her body and it will take a lot of new inplants and parts exchange to get her in perfect working conditions again. The problems is that it will take a lot of drugs to do so, and this will affect her psychological conditions.
However you look at it, Angelica is set for an early doom.
Thats all right. The chinese translated mangas are already up to Vol.7 so I guess I'll start from Vol.4 onwards. Wonder how the spell Hernietta in chinese :confused:
I hate sad endings but I know that this will be one story that is going to end up sad inevitably. :(
Yeah, if one expected this to end well, they would need to be slapped.
Yeah, if one expected this to end well, they would need to be slapped.
I wouldn't mind being slapped though if her death scene would be taken from the anime. That's as happy as it gets for her, I think.
The raw for vol 8 tankoban has been out for about a week (at least since I picked it up).
Kalas_Raven
2007-05-03, 15:50
Hey! I'm new here. I was browsing to see any new developments on Gunslinger Girl, and I found this board. I see you all know that Gunslinger Girl will be continuing. I was the one that pursued it.
I just got confermation yesterday that the 4th volume will be released in July. They were very happy to have such a devoted fan of the seires. To truly show my thanks to ADV I'm going to draw a picture for them to show my gratitude.
ADV is even going to send me a copy of the 4th Gunslinger Girl to boot! I'm so happy! ^__^
I'm happy Gunslinger Girl has a following, and I'm not the only person in the world that loves the series. ^_^
Gunslinger Girl rocks!
~Kalas Raven
Renegade334
2007-06-22, 04:54
Just read the latest chapter of GG right off the RSF site...
O_O
...
Angelica died?
...
Whoa...just whoa...such a sad way for her to go. Well, at least Marco shed tears for her during her last moments, finally offering her the genuine care and concern she so longed for...but, well, suffice it to say, that was one mother tearjerker...
MakubeX2
2007-06-22, 05:12
Going by the recent focus on Petra, I suspect that Aida is getting tired of drawing lolis and will start to kill all the rest chapter by chapter, arc by arc.
Dandruff
2007-06-22, 15:10
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/releases.php?id=9055&yearmonth=2007-06&format=manga
Volume four to come the 30th...lawl...two year gap
Kalas_Raven
2007-07-03, 15:35
Wait... what do you mean Aida will start killing off? Kill off who? The girls?? O__o
I didn't get the fourth one yet, cuz ADV Manga didn't send it to me yet. ;_; I wanna read it soooo bad!
I can't wait to have the fourth volume, I already ordered it but the package hasn't shipped yet, I usually buy several manga and DVDs so it may took time if those are not in stock.
I got volume 4 the english version when it came out what a let down.
For those english only speakers it's ok and a must have but it has some issues I really wished they would fix next time.
I've had the Japanese version for god knows when and it's so much better. The paper is of higher quality and the printing is off the chart.
In the english one by ADV their are some pics where the black is so black it looks like a ink stain, you no longer can see the fine details Aida draws on the characters or the guns. Also a few pages were faded like it was low on ink or didn't print well.
Kalas_Raven
2007-07-22, 18:14
OMG!! I just got GSG volume 4 yesterday!! It's SOOOO awesome! I loved it! I'm sooo happy! :D I'll just say one thing so I don't post spoilers... Poor Triela!!!!! ;_;
MakubeX2
2007-07-23, 08:50
Chapter 49 GSG :-
-Brifeing for all the Handlers by Jean regarding the death of Angelica.
-Revealed by Jean that the new batch of girls is expected to last 5-7 years before they expire.
-Rico feels no remorse for Angelica's death. No idea about the others.
-Petra dances. A further recollection of her past ?
-Alex kisses Petra. He officially has grown too attached to his tool.
-The Agency obviously has put the new batch of girls into full production. And they are very aware of their short life.
-The remains of Angelica is put into cremation by Marco
Chapter 49 GSG :-
-Brifeing for all the Handlers by Jean regarding the death of Angelica.
-Revealed by Jean that the new batch of girls is expected to last 5-7 years before they expire.
-Rico feels no remorse for Angelica's death. No idea about the others.
-Petra dances. A further recollection of her past ?
-Alex kisses Petra. He officially has grown too attached to his tool.
-The Agency obviously has put the new batch of girls into full production. And they are very aware of their short life.
-The remains of Angelica is put into cremation by Marco
Based on your description, sounds like ch49's pretty chunky to cover so many issues.
3) Either she's been condition far too much compared to the other girls or it's just part of her nature. If it's the former, then she's probably the next to go.
5) Kissed her where? Lips, cheeks, forehead, or... :heh:
With the exception of Jean, Lauro, and perhaps Bernardo, every single fratello has become attached to his girl though the relationships had varied. I can't blame them. :(
6) It'd be interesting if they'd start making male cyborgs with female handlers.
7) Marco's single and so is Claes. Possible future pairing?
MakubeX2
2007-07-23, 10:22
Based on your description, sounds like ch49's pretty chunky to cover so many issues.
Perhaps it is best to show what I meant through scans.
The brifing (http://i7.tinypic.com/5xt7xhj.jpg)
The revelation (http://i16.tinypic.com/6bwn791.jpg)
No remorse (http://i13.tinypic.com/663p53b.jpg)
Petra's dance (http://i18.tinypic.com/4oz5a87.jpg)
Alex's kiss (http://i16.tinypic.com/6bw3g40.jpg)
The new girls part 1 (http://i13.tinypic.com/68cs1h3.jpg)
The new girls part 2 (http://i9.tinypic.com/4u0ud6f.jpg)
Angelica's tomb (http://i9.tinypic.com/4q8stc8.jpg)
Just read chapter 49 I can say I'm a little disappointed. I fell in love with this series and the original characters, if Aida is going to focus on these new older girls I don't know if I'll have the will to keep buying the series.
No matter what I guess the gun collector in me will keep me coming back to this series that and the art work which I'm a sucker for.
Kalas_Raven
2007-07-25, 20:24
Aida is putting for emphisis on the other girls in the agency!? What about Triela and Henrietta and Rico!? Don't tell me any spoilers just tell if they're in the manga. Are they still the main characters??
Aida is putting for emphisis on the other girls in the agency!? What about Triela and Henrietta and Rico!? Don't tell me any spoilers just tell if they're in the manga. Are they still the main characters??
Nah, I don't think that there's any need to worry since everybody's been getting their fair share of attention so far. Besides, the introduction of new characters keeps things from getting static.
I'm sorry to say it introducing more characters ruins a series such as this.
The more you add the more they'll fight for more scene time.
When Gretchen appeared it was just one little panel then they gave her a page or two. She hasn't been back since, which is good I could care less about her.
Then Petrushka came on the scene took up like half of volume 6 then all of volume 8. She isn't a bad character but like most people want to read about the original 5 girls, I mean 5 girls to follow is hard to squeze into 1 whole volume and be good.
MakubeX2
2007-07-26, 17:40
I'm sorry to say it introducing more characters ruins a series such as this.
The more you add the more they'll fight for more scene time.
When Gretchen appeared it was just one little panel then they gave her a page or two. She hasn't been back since, which is good I could care less about her.
Then Petrushka came on the scene took up like half of volume 6 then all of volume 8. She isn't a bad character but like most people want to read about the original 5 girls, I mean 5 girls to follow is hard to squeze into 1 whole volume and be good.
Aida could always kill off characters if he wants. Look at how he did just that recently.
Kalas_Raven
2007-07-27, 12:07
ALL of Vol. 8 was about that girl!? Why?? Gunslinger Girl has always been about a lot of the gilrs, one story for each chapter! I don't think I'll like these new gils. I wish Aida stuck with the original 5 girls. We need to know more about them! >_<
Aida could always kill off characters if he wants. Look at how he did just that recently.
I wouldn't mind having a few more deaths in the series. In fact, I'm rather surprised that only 2 of the girls have died so far. Not that I'm a sadistic bastard or anything but their high survival rate is rather unrealistic given the nature of their jobs, even with the artificial enhancements. Yes, it's tragic that their lifespans are so short but I think that people have to be reminded that the situation is much worse because any of the girls may die in any of their missions.
Norihiro Yagi kills off characters on a regular basis in Claymore but many of them are memorable despite their brief appearance. This emphasizes the fact that one of the harsh realities of combat is the number of casualties on both sides. Given that Yu Aida usually tries to make things realistic (gun models, European locations, gray areas in morality, etc) I think that it's about time that he(?) also let a few of the girls perish in combat.
Kalas_Raven
2007-07-29, 12:49
Well they are cyborgs but... I see your point, G. Zeus. Triela should have died in the 3rd volume. (I'm glad she didn't) but she should have. I think it would be more realistic to kill off even some of the more minor characters in the seires, because of the work they are in. It would be more beliveable.
Kill off Triela are you mad the battle royale she had with pinocchio was the best fight in the whole series. Wait till you read volume 5 it was straight up a battle of survival the one who wanted it more wins.
I don't mind a character dying but at least do it for a reason, other than oh I just can. Give it some meaning. Who wants to read something when the main characters die right and left.
Kalas_Raven
2007-07-29, 14:59
I wasn't saying that Triela SHOULD die. She's my favorite character in all of Gunslinger Girl. I'm just saying she should have died in the 3rd book. (That's what Pinocchio was GOING to do, then he stopped.)
I said Aida should kill off at least some of the minor charaters to make life at the agency and their jobs seem more belivable. I don't want the main charaters to be killed off left and right!
Kalas_Raven
2007-08-24, 20:09
It's offical!! Gunslinger Girl is going to have a second season!!!!!! :D YAYYY!!! More GSG!! W00T!!! ^o^
Question for you guys who has probably read the manga back and forth and know all the little gritty detalis.
It's old questions but I don't think it needs a spoiler.
Why does ADV call Jose, Guiseppe?
Regarding a couple of Flashbacks.
Is Hartmann, Hilshire? If so, why did that mafia guy call him Hilshire?
Is Prisicilla, Patricia? I got that vibe from that chapter.
Guiseppe is the proper way to say Jo'se. Basically the english name is Joseph, so I think he went by Jo'se a shortened like nickname version of Guiseppe. So calling him either is correct also latter on like volume 4 onward he went by his proper name so ADV translated it like they were suppose to.
Hartman is Hilshire. His birthname is Hilshire but he changed his last name to Hartman for awhile before he joined the social welfare agency. Now he goes by his original last name.
Prisicilla is the women who works at the social welfare agency in the intelligence division. She loves Henreietta and her job. Patricia the one with the longer hair and glasses is Marco's ex-girlfriend. She left him after she found out he was lying about being in the Military when he claimed he was taken care of a young girl. She said she could smell the gun powder on him. In the chapter your thinking about she met the young girl Angelica and learned what his real job is and why it was so secret. They are still broken up.
Oh I thought Patricia became Prisicilla to get closer to Angelica.
MakubeX2
2007-10-01, 19:58
Guiseppe is the proper way to say Jo'se. Basically the english name is Joseph, so I think he went by Jo'se a shortened like nickname version of Guiseppe. So calling him either is correct also latter on like volume 4 onward he went by his proper name so ADV translated it like they were suppose to.
No. They change it to make it sounds more Italian. Which is stupid considering that there's no way "Jean" sounds Italian.
Hartman is Hilshire. His birthname is Hilshire but he changed his last name to Hartman for awhile before he joined the social welfare agency. Now he goes by his original last name.
Again no. Hartman is his birth name. He changed his name, I believe, due to the fact that he got too involve in Mario's Child Smuggling Ring and is in need of an identity change.
Guiseppe is the Italian name for Joseph. I know I'm half Italian.
I never really heard of Jo'se but it sounds close enough to a nickname, of Joseph. At least it sounds cool when you say it. Ask Aida if you want to know the whole story.
As for Hartman I'm no expert but I don't think that's German. Close as I found a guy who's Canadian with that name, which basically is French.
Hilshire was going by the name Hartman when he was serving in France just before joining the SWA. Seeing a pattern. More than likely took that name you would see in the country he was in. Like at my friends job. He is the only non-Indian working their and some of them have american first and last names even though they were born in India and it's impossible to have a amercian last name if their father is not american.
Also looking up Hilshire is a name of a supposed German sauage company in the states so their you go. German. We know Hilshire speaks it to his mother and his home is in Germany.
As for Jean you don't have to have a proper Italian first name to be Italian. My name was originally French but now is the number one name in the USA. Does that mean I'm French?
MakubeX2
2007-10-02, 09:50
Guiseppe is the Italian name for Joseph. I know I'm half Italian.
I never really heard of Jo'se but it sounds close enough to a nickname, of Joseph. At least it sounds cool when you say it. Ask Aida if you want to know the whole story.
According to the huge Artbook which comes to my posession as a preorder bonus for the first volume of the GSG PS2 Game, the official romanisation of ジョゼ is "Gioseffo" . So we both stand corrected.
Hilshire was going by the name Hartman when he was serving in France just before joining the SWA. Seeing a pattern. More than likely took that name you would see in the country he was in. Like at my friends job. He is the only non-Indian working their and some of them have american first and last names even though they were born in India and it's impossible to have a amercian last name if their father is not american.
Hilshire's first name is "Victor" as evident from his phone conversation with his mother. In the flashback, he again is refered to as "Victor Hartman" as Rachel. Why the drastic change in family name ? I again was led to believe this was to protect his identity due to his involvement with the Smuggling Ring.
As for Jean you don't have to have a proper Italian first name to be Italian. My name was originally French but now is the number one name in the USA. Does that mean I'm French?
As we the case with ジョゼ , there is no official announcement with ジャン''s romanisation. It might have been "Jan" or "Gen".
So following this type of thread then Patricia is Priscilla. Because in the flashback it is told from Patricia's POV instead of Marco's, then it ends with Prisicilla wondering why she did this.
So I guess the Flashback shows that Patricia joined the Agency as an Intel expert.
Uhhh my head hurts now.
Forbin Patricia and Priscilla are two different people you really need to re-read the series.
Priscilla was one of the first agents working at the agency section 2, before Marco even started. She never had long hair and never wore glasses. While Marco and Patricia were still dating Priscilla was working along side him at the SWA, even helping to create the Pasta Prince story that they told Angelica. So that pretty proves that aren't the same person. I think Marco would know his girlfriend in diguise.
Anyways Patricia asked Marco about the girl he was taken care of and about the story he made up. She eventually turned the Pasta story into a series of picture books for children.
Later in volume 5 a padina terrorist tricked Patricia so he could get close to her ex-boyfriend Marco and the agency. When the incident ended the guy was shot by Angelica and she learned that he still is working for the government in a Military like position. Also that they use little girls. So he was telling the truth about caring for a young girl, but still lying about being with the Military. Which caused them to break up.
As far as we know she is keeping her mouth shut to stay out of trouble.
MakubeX2 Gioseffo, is kind of weird you sound it out and it sounds like Joseph. And the art book is amazing I have one as well got it for like under 20 dollars. Now I have people bugging me to buy if for almost 100.
Hehe that's why I asked in the first place. No one answered.
I read 2-3 a LOOOOOOONG time ago. Back when ADV was profitable.
So Patricia was with him the first time, I'd better go back and watch the anime at least.
Oh I thought Marco knew the link, I just thought he doesn't mix work and pleasure. But since they are different people , owells. That darn Hilshire/Hartmann thing threw me off.
The announcement of the new anime adaptation/continuation got me into the series again so I did some sort of character assessment for the first-stage cyborgs because I had nothing better to do (while procrastinating).
Angelica
Handler: Marco
Type of relationship: father and child
Degree of conditioning: moderate to severe
I guess the degree of conditioning depends on which version we're talking about. In the manga, she dies due to physical injuries from a bomb blast but in the anime, it is implied that her death was a direct result of the conditioning taking its toll on her mind and body.
Rico
Handler: Jean
Type of relationship: master and servant/tool/instrument
Degree of conditioning: severe
Rico's case appears to be exceptional in that she appears to have been conditioned to the point that her emotional development is stunted. She can feel emotions but these seem to be shallow and these do not affect her actions and her performance. Unlike the other girls who are desire praise, rewards, and acknowledgment from their handlers, Rico's training is based on negative feedback and physical punishment is not uncommon for her.
Henrietta
Handler: Giuseppe/Jose
Type of relationship: elder brother and younger sister (and perhaps a little more?)
Degree of conditioning: moderate
Among the girls, Henrietta's the one with the highest requirements in terms of emotional maintenance and with the most questionable relationship with her handler. Her solution to Elsa's case showed that Jose would have been a dead man as well had circumstances been different.
Triella
Handler: Hilshire
Type of relationship: colleagues (and perhaps a little more?)
Degree of conditioning: low
Her snappy replies and her slightly rebellious nature may lead some to think that the conditioning has almost no effect on her but her scene after defeating Pinocchio suggests otherwise. Despite this, she is pragmatic and able to act on her own without instructions from her handler. She wears masculine clothing during her missions yet her feminine side also shows with her concern for the "younger girls", her prized collection of teddy bears, and her possible crush on Hilshire.
Fleda Claes Johansson
Handler: Raballo
Type of relationship: mentor and pupil
Degree of conditioning: low
At first, she only followed orders due to her conditioning. Her training under Raballo, along with her exposure to books, eventually enabled her to function independently after her handler's death. She's knowledgeable, taciturn and somewhat distant from the other girls. She only discloses her thoughts to Triella, her roommate and only peer.
Elsa de Sica
Handler: Lauro
Type of relationship: unrequited love
Degree of conditioning: moderate
Devoted to her handler to the point of obsession. If only he had given her more attention, perhaps her life would have been not much different from Henrietta's.
Hooray for boredom.
Dark Wing
2008-01-03, 00:02
The announcement of the new anime adaptation/continuation got me into the series again so I did some sort of character assessment for the first-stage cyborgs because I had nothing better to do (while procrastinating).
Angelica
Handler: Marco
Type of relationship: father and child
Degree of conditioning: moderate to severe
I guess the degree of conditioning depends on which version we're talking about. In the manga, she dies due to physical injuries from a bomb blast but in the anime, it is implied that her death was a direct result of the conditioning taking its toll on her mind and body.
Rico
Handler: Jean
Type of relationship: master and servant/tool/instrument
Degree of conditioning: severe
Rico's case appears to be exceptional in that she appears to have been conditioned to the point that her emotional development is stunted. She can feel emotions but these seem to be shallow and these do not affect her actions and her performance. Unlike the other girls who are desire praise, rewards, and acknowledgment from their handlers, Rico's training is based on negative feedback and physical punishment is not uncommon for her.
Henrietta
Handler: Giuseppe/Jose
Type of relationship: elder brother and younger sister (and perhaps a little more?)
Degree of conditioning: moderate
Among the girls, Henrietta's the one with the highest requirements in terms of emotional maintenance and with the most questionable relationship with her handler. Her solution to Elsa's case showed that Jose would have been a dead man as well had circumstances been different.
Triella
Handler: Hilshire
Type of relationship: colleagues (and perhaps a little more?)
Degree of conditioning: low
Her snappy replies and her slightly rebellious nature may lead some to think that the conditioning has almost no effect on her but her scene after defeating Pinocchio suggests otherwise. Despite this, she is pragmatic and able to act on her own without instructions from her handler. She wears masculine clothing during her missions yet her feminine side also shows with her concern for the "younger girls", her prized collection of teddy bears, and her possible crush on Hilshire.
Fleda Claes Johansson
Handler: Raballo
Type of relationship: mentor and pupil
Degree of conditioning: low
At first, she only followed orders due to her conditioning. Her training under Raballo, along with her exposure to books, eventually enabled her to function independently after her handler's death. She's knowledgeable, taciturn and somewhat distant from the other girls. She only discloses her thoughts to Triella, her roommate and only peer.
Elsa de Sica
Handler: Lauro
Type of relationship: unrequited love
Degree of conditioning: moderate
Devoted to her handler to the point of obsession. If only he had given her more attention, perhaps her life would have been not much different from Henrietta's.
Hooray for boredom.
This is actually pretty good you got every character down pact...even if it was done out of boredom.
Nightengale
2008-01-03, 00:13
I was under the impression that Elsa's conditioning was pretty severe as well, while Henrietta's was low, just that how their relationship, as in the handler's training/raising of their cyborgs along with the cyborg's inherent nature that wasn't completely overtaken by the conditioning enacted different effects.
I was under the impression that Elsa's conditioning was pretty severe as well, while Henrietta's was low, just that how their relationship, as in the handler's training/raising of their cyborgs along with the cyborg's inherent nature that wasn't completely overtaken by the conditioning enacted different effects.
Yeah, Jose's probably too nice to give Henrietta a full dose. However, her frequent fits of jealousy and, more importantly, her violent reactions towards anything that seems to threaten Jose or any gifts from him (1. against the terrorists in the first episode, 2. the poor waiter with the bread knife, 3. Raballo, Jose, and Claes at the shooting range, 4. the thief who stole her camera, etc.) suggests that she's still at the age wherein she is unable to think for herself properly so that, unlike Claes and Triella, she lacks understanding of her conditioning and the will to resist it. As such, even low levels of conditioning affect her to a great extent.
Either that or she's really just emotional. :heh:
Elsa's a bit harder to figure out though due to her lack of screen time. Lauro considered her as nothing more than a tool so it's possible that her conditioning was pretty high compared to the other girls. However, it's rather baffling when you put her beside the only other extreme case that we know of since Rico's almost her exact opposite. Given that each girl has a unique history prior to the implants, perhaps the process of creating a cyborg only erases the memory but leaves part of the initial personality intact, hence the different behaviors.
Sin Ansem
2008-01-04, 11:48
I've never been able to find this manga, which disappointed me because I loved the anime.
Hopefully the second season will be more epic, and yeah, if I care enough I can look over the *where to buy manga* topic.
You know, how does Rico know all about her past?
I just realized that.
It could be a side-effect of large dosages of the conditioning drug. In volume 9
Prior to Angelica's death, she suddenly remembered full details of her past. This is after getting pumped full of the drug during her major surgery after the bomb blast. Triela and Claes also have a conversation marvelling that Angelica was able to remember her dreams, something that neither has ever been able to do. IIRC, Rico has always had her dreams about losing her body. So, I'm guessing there's a good chance of Rico being the next to go braindead, but she hasn't really shown any symptoms of memory loss, which seems to be the stage prior to "regaining" memories... :eyebrow:.
You know, how does Rico know all about her past?
I just realized that.
Remind me, when did this happen
IMO, Rico never been brainwashed since the first time. Jean use power (scolding)insteadt of drug to Conditioned her, since he realized that drug will shorten her lifespan (a good side of him)
btw, did the raw for volume 9 is out? Just asking, Im not asking for source
Rico details her entire past in first-person perspective in v01c02, but all the other girls have their past told in the handler's perspective.
Also, it doesn't seem like the conditioning drug is only used for the initial brainwashing procedure; seems more like it has to be used somewhat regularly, since Angelica is shown getting withdrawal symptoms.
Raws for volume 9 are out as well.
Will I break the rule if I'm asking for the raw? :)
i'd love to at least look at the raws,to see who's featured in this one,I know Angelica is but i'd like to know who else.
Just about everyone's featured in this volume, and amazingly enough, everyone gets "touching" moments with their handlers, even Jean/Rico (somewhat). And in Petrushka's case, too touching :eyebrow:. Alessandro has definitely gotten too attached to his cyborg.
The first half+ of the volume is focused on Angelica, and I have to say, it's better than the anime "version" of the same event. We even get to see the benefits of the cyborg program that's been hinted at throughout the series, ie the advances in prosthetics for common civilians.
Second last chapter has bits of Rico, Petra, V2 cyborgs, and the handlers.
Last chapter is Triela/Hilshire.
There's only a short bit on Henrietta/Giuseppe in this volume. Giuseppe looks really weird in that bit though, for some weird reason :twitch:. Actually, a lot of the characters look really funky in the first couple of chapters in this volume.
All in all though, a pretty good volume, and a lot more interesting than the last two, with the undue focus on Petra... :eyebrow:
Just about everyone's featured in this volume, and amazingly enough, everyone gets "touching" moments with their handlers, even Jean/Rico (somewhat).
Which makes me curious about the one without a (living) handler.
Did you read this from raws or has somebody worked on it already?
Whoops, let me rephrase that. Most everyone, except Claes :p. She actually doesn't appear much this chapter, but she is there in 3 or 4 scenes. In a shower room with Triela, no less :eyebrow:, and basically the next scene has Hilshire inspecting Triela's thighs very closely :twitch:. Of course, I'm taking that a bit out of context :heh:. Awkward moments galore in this volume, what with Alessandro kissing Petra, Triela showering (which iirc nothing similar has happened before in the series), Jean praising and hugging Rico :twitch: (course, he still thinks of her as his tool for revenge...), Hilshire's inspection...
I read it raw. I don't think anyone works on English scanlations, considering it's licensed in the US.
Two days to second season!
Whoops, let me rephrase that. Most everyone, except Claes :p. She actually doesn't appear much this chapter, but she is there in 3 or 4 scenes. In a shower room with Triela, no less :eyebrow:, and basically the next scene has Hilshire inspecting Triela's thighs very closely :twitch:.
Let it be. Claes was meant to be Yuu's last card when the time comes ^^
Aquifina
2008-01-13, 21:29
Yeah, Jose's probably too nice to give Henrietta a full dose. However, her frequent fits of jealousy and, more importantly, her violent reactions towards anything that seems to threaten Jose or any gifts from him (1. against the terrorists in the first episode, 2. the poor waiter with the bread knife, 3. Raballo, Jose, and Claes at the shooting range, 4. the thief who stole her camera, etc.) suggests that she's still at the age wherein she is unable to think for herself properly so that, unlike Claes and Triella, she lacks understanding of her conditioning and the will to resist it. As such, even low levels of conditioning affect her to a great extent.
Either that or she's really just emotional. :heh:
Elsa's a bit harder to figure out though due to her lack of screen time. Lauro considered her as nothing more than a tool so it's possible that her conditioning was pretty high compared to the other girls. However, it's rather baffling when you put her beside the only other extreme case that we know of since Rico's almost her exact opposite. Given that each girl has a unique history prior to the implants, perhaps the process of creating a cyborg only erases the memory but leaves part of the initial personality intact, hence the different behaviors.
In the anime, Jose states explicitly that he uses a minimum dose of conditioning; it's also mentioned by other characters. I assume the manga also said that?; I can't remember right now.
Anyhow, I always saw Henrietta's devotion to Jose as a genuine response to his temperament; a mix of her underlying personality (I think the girls retained their distinctive personalities, even after they lost their memories--in Henrietta's case, she's shy, craving affection, and loving--as opposed to the strong-willed Triela), his treatment of her, and the larger situation both of them are in. In Henrietta's case, I think the external factor that intensifies Henrietta's attachment to Jose is not the conditioning, but the fact that Jose actually treats her like his sister, when none of the other girls receive such treatment. Also, for whatever reason, Jose seems to be able to read Henrietta's emotions almost perfectly; this goes beyond just being "nice." For example, after the opening raid, it's clear he's annoyed at Henrietta for her going beserk. He's counseled by his colleagues to be more stern in his treatment of her. He then proceeds to ignore them, knowing that Henrietta is far harsher on herself than anyone else could be, and gives her the pick-me-up she needs. He does this, even when he's still being somewhat standoffish with her at the beginning of their pairing, perhaps out of lingering loyalty to his dead sister (cf. the chapter where Jose discards some of his reserve, and pinches her cheek).
Combined with Henrietta's own underlying desire for affection, the obvious comparison of her treatment with the others only intensifies her feelings for Jose, which helps lead to the irrational jealousy, and the uncontrolled protectiveness. You'll notice, though, that Henrietta seems much more in control of her emotions as time goes on. All the incidents you cite are pretty early on. In contrast, I think it's vol. 3 or 4 when the doc praises Jose for stabilizing Henrietta's mental state, even as she seems to become even more devoted (if that's possible) to Jose. By that time, she truly seems to be able to do her job at work, not lose control, and then come back home and "cook," to use the doctor's previous analogy. IIRC, in the second visit, there's also no obsessive body count to try to prove her "usefulness" to Jose, which had come up in the first doctor's visit--she herself seems to realize over time that that isn't what Jose wants her to be like. The irony is that at this later point Jose seems to grow weary of reciprocating her devotion, and the doctor needs to give him a pep talk. The memory of his sister also seems to help sustain his affection, which I actually think is genuine (even if he himself doubts that at times).
I think it's a singular (and meaningful) irony of the series that perhaps the most intense affection held by a girls for a fratello (I should say I haven't read the new Russian girl's arc) is the one least influenced by the conditioning; the real source is something more akin to the younger sister who worships her benevolent and seemingly all-knowing older brother, who treats her like a princess in a world filled with death, violence, and suffering. After all, in the flashbacks up to vol. 6 I've seen, Jose's real biological sister also seems to have been absurdly devoted to her big brother--and she also seems to have felt neglected by the other family members.
I actually wonder if the Jose/Henrietta pair has been sort-of developed as far as it can go, barring a catastrophic event like a death, which would explain why it's been getting less attention as far as I can tell in the manga. We've already seen a fair number of flashbacks of Jose's previous younger sister, so the complexities of the situation on his end have been fleshed out. While Henrietta's devotion to Jose seems relatively straightforward, his motivations are hideously complex--a mix of sympathy, pity, obligation, guilt, the desire to replace his sister, and, IMO, genuine concern and affection--yes, indeed, love--for Henrietta the human being. We've already seen much of that, in his flashbacks, moments of self-criticism, and Jean's "conversation" with his sister's ghost. As for Henrietta, is she going to become even *more* devoted to Jose? Is that even possible? The addition of a "romantic" element seems unlikely to me (thankfully, because I would find it really creepy), because it's pretty clear that Jose *does not* think of Henrietta that way (the kaleidoscope raised an eyebrow, but all the flashbacks to his sister count against that). And while Henrietta might very well have become another Elsa (i.e. crazed jilted lover syndrome) if Jose had been like Lauro, Jose isn't, and I think Henrietta is more than content with their purely brother/sister relationship, assuming, of course, that she was the exclusive focus of his life. Which she is. So maybe the only plot development that could scramble things is Jose getting a girlfriend, but that, again, seems to be unlikely, because, as far as I can tell, Henrietta is as much at the center of Jose's universe, as he is for her.
For me, that's perhaps the most compelling part of the series; how you could have such a connection between two people, but in such an unforgiving, cruel, and hateful environment.
But that's just my opinion...
NominalBeast
2008-01-13, 23:40
Alessandro kissing Petra,
You would have to be blind not to see that coming, really. The end of vol. 8 was pretty much a declaration of love. :p
You would have to be blind not to see that coming, really. The end of vol. 8 was pretty much a declaration of love. :p
Well, it's the first case of a Handler showing any romantic interest in his cyborg. It's obvious that a lot of the girls like their handlers, but the other way around?
Anyway, for those that don't know, Gunslinger Girl was originally a doujin manga called "Gun Slinger Girl". There are five short chapters (Rico's the main character, with Henrietta nowhere to be seen), and a whole lot of design sketches and info. There's also an 18+ gaiden chapter, which is rather interesting plot-wise, but the H content feels really tacked on. I don't believe I've ever even seen this mentioned in the English fandom before, so I might be interested in doing scanlations, if I can find some people to help out. The art in the first three chapters is very very amateur, but it might be interesting for some people to see how GSG started out. :eyebrow:
Well, it's the first case of a Handler showing any romantic interest in his cyborg. It's obvious that a lot of the girls like their handlers, but the other way around?
Anyway, for those that don't know, Gunslinger Girl was originally a doujin manga called "Gun Slinger Girl". There are five short chapters (Rico's the main character, with Henrietta nowhere to be seen), and a whole lot of design sketches and info. There's also an 18+ gaiden chapter, which is rather interesting plot-wise, but the H content feels really tacked on. I don't believe I've ever even seen this mentioned in the English fandom before, so I might be interested in doing scanlations, if I can find some people to help out. The art in the first three chapters is very very amateur, but it might be interesting for some people to see how GSG started out. :eyebrow:
Do it!
Ill try to Help (if needed)
Hmm, read up to volume three. Quite a twisted story.
chamelean75
2008-01-17, 16:10
You would have to be blind not to see that coming, really. The end of vol. 8 was pretty much a declaration of love. :p
Can someone fill me in here? As someone who solewatches the anime, who is petra and allessandro. I don't recall those characters ever being mentioned.
Just on a side note, I think Triela prolly has the least about of body modifications seeing that she still has a uterus and is able to have her period.
Can someone fill me in here? As someone who solewatches the anime, who is petra and allessandro. I don't recall those characters ever being mentioned.
They're from manga starting at vol. 6. If season 2 is going to end where I think it is (end of vol. 5), they won't show up this season.
Petra is second generation cyborg, using older girl (about 15-16 yr. old) and less augmentation and conditioning to lengthen lifespan. Alessandro is her handler. They would fall in love in like episode 8.
Doujinshi period Petrushka. (Note: This was released C64, or summer 2003, so about a year after GSG was serialized)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/jonathanyuac/Gunslinger%20Girl/th_TATAKAUMONOTATI3_14_tr.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/jonathanyuac/Gunslinger%20Girl/TATAKAUMONOTATI3_14_tr.jpg)
The current serialized version is very different from this. I have to say though, this old version is very awesome looking. In the gaiden,
she was sent after Giuse and Henrietta, who were running away from the Agency.
The five doujinshi period manga chapters are about 70% translated. I was planning on translating all the author comments and sketches as well, but there's a whole lot of them, so I'm looking for extra translators and an editor/typesetter. PM me if you can help out.
I'm undecided on whether to scanlate the gaiden. It's 18+, and GSG is quite possibly one of the most awkward series to have H scenes, but it is from the original author... :eyebrow:
MakubeX2
2008-01-19, 11:04
Yu Aida did work on a Ero Game titled Bittersweet Fools aound the turn of the century.
The game share a few settings and theme in common with GSG.
MakubeX2
2008-01-23, 07:38
Manga Update :-
Chapter 52 had Hilsher accepting a mission, but opting to executing it himself instead of deploying Triela....
He manage to complete the assignment but not without some hitches. Of course, Triela got upset after she finds out what Hilsher has done. She threw a tantrum, asking why didn't he take her along and questioning "isn't fighting is what I'm meant for ?"
To that Hilsher answered "You role is to live. Fight and live long if and when possible" After hearing that, Triela crys like the girl she is and runs out of the hotel.
PS :- Moe meets Gar in Chapter 52 ! A Triela in a min skirt with her hair down in Tsun-Tsun mode throwing a tantrum, crying and running away is Moe. A Hilsher in l33t Interpol mode, hacking magnetic door, gunning people down even when one of the is behind doors = Gar.
Proof :-
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4647/1201086397048ah8.jpghttp://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7103/1201086212986ph6.jpg
Yu Aida did work on a Ero Game titled Bittersweet Fools aound the turn of the century.
The game share a few settings and theme in common with GSG.
Iirc, the opening video of the game was also done by Makoto Shinkai. I know nothing of the story but it's quite a pretty teaser.
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Manga Update :-
Awesome, looking forward to reading it (someday). Some people would probably prefer having that in spoiler tags though.
Someone remind what happen in 51...
MakubeX2
2008-01-24, 07:35
Someone remind what happen in 51...
Triela's little Christmas Party with Hilsher.
Ends with with him seeing another woman the morning after.
Triela's little Christmas Party with Hilsher.
Ends with with him seeing another woman the morning after.
lol
Me in other forum (with other member there) try to analog-ing Triella-Hillscher relationship as 'Young papa whos trouble with his rebel teen daughter, and have to raise her by himself, after the death of his wife'
lol
Me in other forum (with other member there) try to analog-ing Triella-Hillscher relationship as 'Young papa whos trouble with his rebel teen daughter, and have to raise her by himself, after the death of his wife'And too bad she had to die to save Triela, I would've liked to see her in the Manga more.
And too bad she had to die to save Triela, I would've liked to see her in the Manga more.
Her death does left a purpose
I can imagine, if Rachel still alive, there will be no gitai under the name of Triella
Gunslinger Girl live action movie adaptation to be set in Japan.
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MakubeX2
2008-01-26, 19:31
We have already seen shades of a live action GSG in Leon (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110413/).
That is until somebody writes a feasible GSG script and gets Luc Besson's attention to it.
Machine Gun Girl? Robocop meets Kite? Haha
bladeofdarkness
2008-01-31, 09:04
Totally Gay.
i second that motion
why on earth would anyone want to go and do that
by the way i love the manga but why isnt the an eng version past vol 7 when ADV ditched the manga (it was removed from their website
ADV site for manga has never been that great on current stuff or updates.
We don't really know if they will release volume 8 and the just released number 9. Probably one day.
At the end of volume 6 they showed a preview/add for volume 7. But with all their company problems who knows when they'll release it. From volume 1 to 2 it was nearlly 2 1/2 years. 3 to 4 over two years passed.
I've hand number 7 since July of 06 almost 2 years. Way too long.
bladeofdarkness
2008-02-01, 11:01
vol 7
is it adv or fan made becouse i have it fan made
july 2006 :upset:
this sucks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cant someone just script the damn things
i have vol 7 fan made + vol 8&9 in jap
and the first two chapters from vol 10 (51 and 52) also in jap
adv is either way behind or they droped it all together
and from what i heard they did
(heard it online somewhere)
Ok the Volume 7 I have is the official Japanese one, infact I have all 9 volumes in japanese. I also have the first 6 by ADV in english.
Plus I get each new chapter in japanese as its released. 52 was the last chapter and the new ones come out about once a month. Can't really script it since it's kind of time consuming to translate it and type it up in english.
What happened is I got tired of waiting for the english ones by ADV so I started getting the japanese ones first since they come out in a timely manner. Plus the quality is much better for the paper and printing etc. If you know chinese they are up to number 8, but I only read english and japanese.
As for ADV dropping the series that's all rumors/here say for now. I doubt they gave up on it but who knows if they will take another 2 years to release volume 7. Their was a add for it but no one has a release date, not amazon or anybody as of yet.
Personally volume 7 rocks but 8 and 9 where kind of boring. But 10 is looking good.
LuniNeko
2008-02-01, 20:05
Gunslinger Girl live action movie adaptation to be set in Japan.
eSpCWJnnWVI
That's supposed to be a GSG adaptation? :eyebrow: Yeesh. That girl'd better not be named after any of the actual cyborg girls. I'm gonna hide in my bed when this comes out.
LuniNeko he was joking that crappy movie has nothing to do with GSG. Other than a suppose cyborg girl and guns etc.
Still doesn't even come close to being like GSG.
bladeofdarkness
2008-02-02, 06:03
Ok the Volume 7 I have is the official Japanese one, infact I have all 9 volumes in japanese. I also have the first 6 by ADV in english.
Plus I get each new chapter in japanese as its released. 52 was the last chapter and the new ones come out about once a month. Can't really script it since it's kind of time consuming to translate it and type it up in english.
What happened is I got tired of waiting for the english ones by ADV so I started getting the japanese ones first since they come out in a timely manner. Plus the quality is much better for the paper and printing etc. If you know chinese they are up to number 8, but I only read english and japanese.
As for ADV dropping the series that's all rumors/here say for now. I doubt they gave up on it but who knows if they will take another 2 years to release volume 7. Their was a add for it but no one has a release date, not amazon or anybody as of yet.
Personally volume 7 rocks but 8 and 9 where kind of boring. But 10 is looking good.
if you ever want to translate it i know a lot of people who would like to scanlate it
and would be very greatful
just log on to http://gunslinger-girl.up-with.com/
you will be most welcome there
you might even get the
:bow: transcendent hero cape :bow:
Ok the Volume 7 I have is the official Japanese one, infact I have all 9 volumes in japanese. I also have the first 6 by ADV in english.
Plus I get each new chapter in japanese as its released. 52 was the last chapter and the new ones come out about once a month. Can't really script it since it's kind of time consuming to translate it and type it up in english.
What happened is I got tired of waiting for the english ones by ADV so I started getting the japanese ones first since they come out in a timely manner. Plus the quality is much better for the paper and printing etc. If you know chinese they are up to number 8, but I only read english and japanese.
As for ADV dropping the series that's all rumors/here say for now. I doubt they gave up on it but who knows if they will take another 2 years to release volume 7. Their was a add for it but no one has a release date, not amazon or anybody as of yet.
Personally volume 7 rocks but 8 and 9 where kind of boring. But 10 is looking good.
8 is boring due the lack of first generation gitai (and excessive content of that 'kitten'). How could you find 9 boring, its a tribute volume for Ange!
btw, I have volume 1-8 in Indonesian version. Cant wait for volume 9 release
Lol at that movie. I love how it lists the enemies and weapon.
Volume 9 wasn't really boring it was sad for angelica but I want a little action and gun play.
Least it wasn't like number 8 man I can't believe it was all about petroshuka.
Just finished vol 9 in french i feel bad for Marco but he did get some kind of "salvation" at the end, seeing how the fratello are coping with the death of Angelica it will surely end in fire for Hillshire and Alessandro.
I wonder if the author will use more of the 2nd generation cyborg in the coming chapters, i believe it was the first time we saw them as a group ?
That's supposed to be a GSG adaptation? :eyebrow: Yeesh. That girl'd better not be named after any of the actual cyborg girls. I'm gonna hide in my bed when this comes out.
Good lord even as parody this sucks.
I want Ender's Game with more violence and psych, not a wannabe slasher flick.
( But then, it wasn't made for me, and some liked it. )
Is there any reason the sec gen are going toward pure espionage more than antiterror/kill-the-bad-guy?
how many chapters have been coverd in the 2 anime seasons up to se2ep5? ive seen se2 ep6 raw and id like to know which chapter it is in.
X207 season 2 jumps all over the place that's why it's confusing. Episode 5 was volume 5 chapter 23, while episode 6 was volume 3 chapter 17.
That's one of the reasons I hate this season it can't even follow a liner time line.
At least we know when it's over it will cover up to the end of volume 5.
X207 season 2 jumps all over the place that's why it's confusing. Episode 5 was volume 5 chapter 23, while episode 6 was volume 3 chapter 17.
That's one of the reasons I hate this season it can't even follow a liner time line.
At least we know when it's over it will cover up to the end of volume 5.
o.o yikes, it really jumps areound that much?? i thought the gonzo+RV jumped around alot.
Yeah Season II had me going wtf.
=All this talk of how sad angelica's so-long drawn out deterioration...
I just read ch 45. Seems there was a 30-ton antipersonel weapon driven into the compound Social Welfare were guarding. Angelica took the blast. Even if she survives, can she handle being rebuilt one more time?
After Marco praised her in that incident with the bulletproof 'guini (Ferrari?), she made such improvement psychologically. She even began beating her addiction to the mind control drug.
Perhaps it's best she dies in battle...
Angelica is destined to be like that, no more, no less. Ever since her introduction chapter, she's practically having a rope on her neck. What important is, just like other girls, she received happiness
does anyone know which of the manga chapters se2 eps 7-13/current cover? im most likely gonna wath the raws and the corresponding chapters would be useful as they seem to follow the manga pretty damn closely.
Judging from eps 1-5, I think its mainly on Pino's arc (and anything in between it)
That pretty much last half volume 3-volume5
Judging from eps 1-5, I think its mainly on Pino's arc (and anything in between it)
That pretty much last half volume 3-volume5
ty claes, ....now off to download vol 4-5 and searching for the raws.
Is there any reason the sec gen are going toward pure espionage more than antiterror/kill-the-bad-guy?
My bad I confused two characters.
OK, what happen in the last chapter (54)? How's Hilscher mission? Did his quarrel with Triella ends?
Latest chapter Hil worries too much about Triela's brain drying up the size of a walnut, goes on a mission by himself and gets hurt. Fears are perhaps not unfounded as Triela blows up about being left out. The way she acted... I think Triela's time swiftly approaches.
raw 55 is out (still cant find 54 though)
flashback all the way
My personal favourite Manga of all time.
I also adore the anime series. They are both amazing and epic.
EvaForever
2009-01-14, 20:24
Is adv still publishing it?
Lol ADV isn't publishing jack at this moment, since the last spoiler was over 8 months ago I wonder what's up with the manga.
Sin Ansem
2009-01-17, 20:05
Yeah...
mangafox is up to 56, and Triela has apparently gone to Petra's deep end (LOL TEH KISSIN W/MAH HANDLER).
The crazy dark side effects of working with these kinds of girls... it kinda chills me.
But man I miss Henrietta.
MakubeX2
2009-01-17, 20:45
Focus has been shifted to Henrietta of late. She has slowly becomes aware of the night where her life changed via flashbacks from time to time, which is bad news.
Apparently there's also a new leader on the terrorist side and he know about the girls and their capablities. So much so he manage to take one of them (nobody major) out by using a simple trap.
EvaForever
2009-01-21, 00:34
Does anybody where i can buy the japanese versions? Thanks
MikiMata
2009-01-26, 13:07
Yeah...
mangafox is up to 56, and Triela has apparently gone to Petra's deep end (LOL TEH KISSIN W/MAH HANDLER).
The crazy dark side effects of working with these kinds of girls... it kinda chills me.
That scene with Triela and Hilscher made me cry. Hilscher is a genuinely good person who never intended for Triela to end up as a weapon. And watching Triela come to that realization was truly beautiful. I am hoping against hope that somehow those two manage to stay alive by the end of the series. :(
pandabear
2009-10-25, 04:02
I'm so tired of Petra, when will it end!? Its been like 6 chapters and no Henrietta
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