View Full Version : Random speculation: Haku vs. Tenten
Iscarecht
2004-11-30, 15:42
Greetings, all. I'm wondering who people think would win this fight: Tenten vs. Haku. Both fight using similar tactics, in general using fast and accurate ranged attacks to beat down their opponents, so I'm curious as to who would come out the victor. Anyway, here's what I thought of: set up a large, forested area (not as large or as infested with dangerous creatures as the Forest of Death, but sorta like that), give each fighter a backpack full of ammo, forbid the use of offensive ninjutsu (e.g. Haku's Demonic Ice Mirrors or Tenten's mass weapon summon technique), and set them loose. Who wins? Also, who wins if the terrain changes from a forest with good cover to an open battlefield, such as the Wave Country Bridge or the arena in Konoha?
Haku could beat Tenten with his eyes closed and legs tied together...
Okay, that's a bit exaggerated, but Haku can easily beat Tenten. Shit, Haku could probably beat Kakashi...
Haku could beat Tenten with his eyes closed and legs tied together...
Okay, that's a bit exaggerated, but Haku can easily beat Tenten. Shit, Haku could probably beat Kakashi...
I'd have that said as well if it wasn't for the fact that Haku cannot use any ninjutsu.
CyberPunk
2004-11-30, 15:52
wtf? haku can't use ninjutsu?
Anthriel
2004-11-30, 16:02
Shit, Haku could probably beat Kakashi...
Well, pre Lee Speed Sasuke with activated Sharingan was able to beat him, I don't think Kakashi would have a problem. I know Zabuza stated the contrary and I know Haku was toying with Sasuke, however, after Sasuke activated Sharingan, Haku had to involve Naruto to beat him.
Haku would still win. Haku would be superior in Taijutsu and Genjusu.
But Haku beating Kakashi?....LOL!
Well, pre Lee Speed Sasuke with activated Sharingan was able to beat him, I don't think Kakashi would have a problem. I know Zabuza stated the contrary and I know Haku was toying with Sasuke, however, after Sasuke activated Sharingan, Haku had to involve Naruto to beat him.
But that's even funnier! Haku could have killed Sasuke and Naruto in a mater of seconds if he really wanted to.
Well, pre Lee Speed Sasuke with activated Sharingan was able to beat him, I don't think Kakashi would have a problem. I know Zabuza stated the contrary and I know Haku was toying with Sasuke, however, after Sasuke activated Sharingan, Haku had to involve Naruto to beat him.
I really hate vs threads - I honestly do - but I just want to say that there is a huge difference between someone who get's serious in mid-fight because he toyed with someone and underestimated and someone who fights seriously from the beginning.
Then again, Haku met his worst possible opponent for the Demonic Ice Mirror jutsu: a Sharingan user.
That being said, I want to point out that you cannot draw conclusion as quickly as you did and saying that Sasuke is stronger than Haku without considering the background of both fighters.
Bakafool
2004-11-30, 16:19
Geez what are u guys talking about? First of all, Demonic Ice Mirrors takes up so much chakra. Haku was playing with Sasuke for so long that his speed went down a bit. His intention was to never kill Sasuke. If he wanted to, he could have obliterated Sasuke easily. Sasuke's Sharingan did little against his ice mirrors. It was Kyubi that beat Haku, remember? And still, he got up to take more punishment. Even against Kyubi, he had the precision to hit Sasuke in such a way as to not kill him. Then, he went and saved Zabuza in the wink of an eye. Honestly, Haku is so underestimated. If he had the slightest amount of killing intent, he could've finished things in 2 seconds.
Iscarecht
2004-11-30, 16:20
Haku would still win. Haku would be superior in Taijutsu and Genjusu.
Well, what I was thinking is that, with clear fields of fire, the battle comes down to who can throw with the greatest accuracy and dodge best. I doubt Haku would have time to open up with Genjutsu if he's got six or seven kunais headed for him at top speed. Granted, this is much more of a possibility in a forest duel (Haku could set up a trap and confuse Tenten before landing a critical shot) but that's why I asked both questions. And Taijutsu...? Do you really think Haku would try and close to melee range while under fire, especially since he's best at flinging senbon?
My opinions on this: Haku wins in a forest environment, since he does have better stealth and the apparent ability to teleport over short distances, which would allow him to get a surprise attack in on Tenten. In a open shooting ground...well, that's what I'm not sure of. Haku can definitely dodge better than Tenten, but she's got some scary accuracy and a good rate of fire. Plus, her hits pack a lot more punch than Haku's, and his constitution looks iffy, so if she gets one or two lucky hits, he's screwed.
And yes, I recognize that Haku would probably cream Tenten if Ninjutsu was allowed...if he uses Demonic Ice Mirrors, Tenten has no clear target, and if she shoots at one mirror, Haku just needs to reflect to another and put a handful of senbon in her back.
As for the other points: Haku could have taken Naruto and Sasuke down in seconds IF HE WANTED TO. As Zabuza put it, he's too kind to do that. And against Kakashi...well, Kakashi did seem to be somewhat unnerved by Haku's power, but I suppose the Copy Ninja would be able to pull some jutsu out of his immense bag of tricks and get out of Demonic Ice Mirrors, assuming Haku didn't land a lucky shot at first.
Oh, and _Sin_...sorry 'bout that. Are vs. threads considered not kosher here?
Anthriel
2004-11-30, 16:39
But that's even funnier! Haku could have killed Sasuke and Naruto in a mater of seconds if he really wanted to. Haku was inferior to Sasuke before he used the Demonic Mirrors. That much is a given, he didn't go out of his way to spare Sasuke at that time. Otherwise, he wouldn't have used Flying Water of a Thousand Kills. Even Zabuza thought "'I don't want to kill you.' he said. Is that what he really thinks?" He didn't anticipate Sasuke would dodge that jutsu either, otherwise he wouldn't have been suprised to see Sasuke in midair.
So, obviously, from all we know, Demonic Mirrors were the only way Haku could beat Sasuke. Haku did spare Sasuke at that point, that's for sure. He continues to own him for some time. Then, Sasuke begins to awaken his INCOMPLETE Sharingan. Haku says. "I was going for his vulnerable spots, but he keeps dodging them." And some time later:"If that's the case, I can't fight for long." A pincushioned Sasuke with incomplete Sharingan was able to completely negate the only way Haku could beat him, Demonic Mirrors.
Thus, Sasuke with Sharingan can beat Haku relatively easily, there is no way Kakashi can not.
Then again, Haku met his worst possible opponent for the Demonic Ice Mirror jutsu: a Sharingan user. That's true, but Kakashi is a Sharingan user as well, a better one than Sasuke.
Well, what I was thinking is that, with clear fields of fire, the battle comes down to who can throw with the greatest accuracy and dodge best. I doubt Haku would have time to open up with Genjutsu if he's got six or seven kunais headed for him at top speed. Granted, this is much more of a possibility in a forest duel (Haku could set up a trap and confuse Tenten before landing a critical shot) but that's why I asked both questions. And Taijutsu...? Do you really think Haku would try and close to melee range while under fire, especially since he's best at flinging senbon?
My opinions on this: Haku wins in a forest environment, since he does have better stealth and the apparent ability to teleport over short distances, which would allow him to get a surprise attack in on Tenten. In a open shooting ground...well, that's what I'm not sure of. Haku can definitely dodge better than Tenten, but she's got some scary accuracy and a good rate of fire. Plus, her hits pack a lot more punch than Haku's, and his constitution looks iffy, so if she gets one or two lucky hits, he's screwed.
And yes, I recognize that Haku would probably cream Tenten if Ninjutsu was allowed...if he uses Demonic Ice Mirrors, Tenten has no clear target, and if she shoots at one mirror, Haku just needs to reflect to another and put a handful of senbon in her back.
As for the other points: Haku could have taken Naruto and Sasuke down in seconds IF HE WANTED TO. As Zabuza put it, he's too kind to do that. And against Kakashi...well, Kakashi did seem to be somewhat unnerved by Haku's power, but I suppose the Copy Ninja would be able to pull some jutsu out of his immense bag of tricks and get out of Demonic Ice Mirrors, assuming Haku didn't land a lucky shot at first.
Oh, and _Sin_...sorry 'bout that. Are vs. threads considered not kosher here?
Right, this topic is pretty shit since you are giving one of the opponents a handicap.
But I'll still contribute. Ten ten is a master of projectiles which is probably the lamest way of fighting there is. There are too many ways in which such a style can be countered with ease.
Also most ninja's have to be accurate with kunais, shurikans etc anyway and I doubt Haku is an exception.
Ten ten is an average Genin and nothing more. (Well a cute one at that)
Whilst Haku is a ninja genius who obviously excels in almost all aspects of the Ninja.
An out cast trained and led by an S class missing nin.
There is just no comparison here at all.
So conclusion. Yes Haku even without his bloodline and ninjutsu skills would definitely still own the average Genin that is Ten ten.
Edit:
Anthriel: I never said Haku could beat kakashi (Not in a million years). I said Haku could have killed Sasuke and Naruto within seconds if he was so inclined, with ease.
And yeah Sasuke at his current level probably could have killed the Haku of was.
But if Haku had survived do you not think he would have improved also?
Oh, and _Sin_...sorry 'bout that. Are vs. threads considered not kosher here?
No need to be sorry since vs. threads between Naruto characters are allowed so go ahead and discuss them. It's just a matter of personal preference that I don't like vs. threads very much since
a) fanboys will not accept anyone other than their favorite character to win (i.e. a hardcore Konohamaru fanboy like me will never admit that Itachi is stronger than him...ever!)
b) our point of view is restricted because the fighting capabilities of the characters are dependent from their opponents. They mostly show only so many Jutsus as they need to win a match. But what if they saved their better, more powerful Jutsus for better opponents?
Even against Kyubi, he had the precision to hit Sasuke in such a way as to not kill him.
Now that's funny, no? :D
Anthriel
2004-11-30, 16:55
Edit:
Anthriel: I never said Haku could beat kakashi. Yeah, but Bflip did.
I said Haku could have killed Sasuke and Naruto within seconds if was so inclined, with ease. Yeah, I never denied that.
And yeah Sasuke at his current level probably could have killed the Haku of was. That's true, but that was not my point. My point was, that even though Haku was able to beat Sasuke before and during the first half of the fight, he wasn't able anymore in the second half of the fight, as soon as Sasuke had Sharingan. I never compared Haku with current Sasuke, but with Sasuke at the end of the Haku arc. My original point was that there is no way Haku could beat Kakashi, if he wasn't even able to beat Sasuke at the end of the Haku arc. And I don't see any fault in that.
Yup, that Sounds fair enough. :D
Haku could beat Tenten with his eyes closed and legs tied together...
Okay, that's a bit exaggerated, but Haku can easily beat Tenten. Shit, Haku could probably beat Kakashi...
We do not know how good Tenten is.... we simply have not see her fight (anime filler does not mean anything to me.. so to me, I have not seen her fight)
I personally think that Haku would win easily because he has the speed to dodge tenten's projectiles.. As well.. he is very strong.
As for Haku beating kakashi... no chance in hell. Kakashi is better in every single area, except for bloodline and ability to make one handed seals.
Kakashi would chidori the demon mirrors.. breaking em..... and easily kill Haku
Iscarecht
2004-11-30, 17:11
Right, this topic is pretty shit since you are giving one of the opponents a handicap.
To be fair, I'm giving both fighters a handicap, since I'm also banning jutsu such as Tenten's mass weapon summon. While I do think that that particular skill is worse than Demonic Ice Mirrors, I could see Haku having problems attacking whilst dodging a massive swarm of flying metal objects. And if Tenten could, theoretically, keep Haku moving and not attacking, she has a decent chance of winning.
Also most ninja's have to be accurate with kunais, shurikans etc anyway and I doubt Haku is an exception.
Ten ten is an average Genin and nothing more. (Well a cute one at that)
Umm...ninjas have to be "accurate," yes, but I'd argue that both Tenten and Haku are accurate to a much greater degree than, say, Naruto. I mean, he can't nail spit with a kunai. Also, they have to be "accurate" against stationary targets. As demonstrated by Sasuke vs. Haku, there's a world of difference between that and a ready opponent. So I'd argue that Tenten's better than average, and the fact that she doesn't beat anyone is due to the fact that Neji and Temari just happen to be good at nullifying ranged physical attacks.
Whilst Haku is a ninja genius who obviously excels in almost all aspects of the Ninja.
An out cast trained and led by an S class missing nin.
Which isn't all there is to it; Sasuke is obviously an exceptional ninja, and he got trained by Kakashi, but he got hammered by Rock Lee in their first fight. Haku's good, yeah, but I can still see somewhat realistic situations where he'd have a hell of a time beating supposedly inferior opponents. Training is a major component to victory, but not all of it.
a) fanboys will not accept anyone other than their favorite character to win (i.e. a hardcore Konohamaru fanboy like me will never admit that Itachi is stronger than him...ever!)
Hrm...that's interesting. I consider myself a big Haku fan, but I can see him losing to a whole mess of other characters (Rock Lee, Gaara, Neji, Shikamaru, plus all the super-powerful ninjas such as the Sannin.)
b) our point of view is restricted because the fighting capabilities of the characters are dependent from their opponents. They mostly show only so many Jutsus as they need to win a match. But what if they saved their better, more powerful Jutsus for better opponents?
Point. However, I was mostly trying to get at who has better accuracy and speed here; hence the restriction on Ninjutsus. After all, Haku's fast, but his accuracy isn't as highly touted as Tenten's...
Also, Kakashi could only Chidori, what, 4 mirrors? He'd better get lucky with it, or Haku's gonna stick senbon in his back as he finishes the jutsu.
We do not know how good Tenten is.... we simply have not see her fight (anime filler does not mean anything to me.. so to me, I have not seen her fight)
I hear this a lot but can you tell me what exactly happens in the manga then?
I mean it coulden't have just simply ignored the fight, because everyone had to fight.
So what happened? Was it just a caption saying "Ten ten was defeated" or what?
Animizzle
2004-11-30, 17:14
Being the warmhearted bishounen that he is, he would probably miss her vital spots, patch her up, and have a nice picknick in the woods.
My original point was that there is no way Haku could beat Kakashi, if he wasn't even able to beat Sasuke at the end of the Haku arc. And I don't see any fault in that.
Still, you don't know if the outcome if the fight would have been different if Haku would have been serious from the beginning. He might have take precautions like Zabuza did with Kakashi (the Mist Jutsu); I'm pretty sure that Sasuke, even with (2 or 3 dot) Sharingan, would have been obliterated by Haku because
a) Sasuke does not how to summon dogs
b) even if he'd knew, Haku would fight defensively and from a distance to avoid getting marked with blood through his Demonic Ice Mirrors
Actually, if Haku could do b) he might even have a chance vs. Kakashi.
I hear this a lot but can you tell me what exactly happens in the manga then?
I mean it coulden't have just simply ignored the fight, because everyone had to fight.
So what happened? Was it just a caption saying "Ten ten was defeated" or what?
In the manga.. they have Ino and Sakura talking for the entire thing.. and the only image we do have is an image of tenten on the end of temari's fan and being thrown off. There are tons of weapons laying around as well. We cannot conclude much just from the outcome of the fight about her abilities though.
In the manga.. they have Ino and Sakura talking for the entire thing.. and the only image we do have is an image of tenten on the end of temari's fan and being thrown off. There are tons of weapons laying around as well. We cannot conclude much just from the outcome of the fight about her abilities though.
LOL! That's all I needed to hear.
Obviously she is just a week non important char, imo it sounds like at least the anime did her some jusice.
Anthriel
2004-11-30, 18:00
Still, you don't know if the outcome if the fight would have been different if Haku would have been serious from the beginning. He might have take precautions like Zabuza did with Kakashi (the Mist Jutsu); I'm pretty sure that Sasuke, even with (2 or 3 dot) Sharingan, would have been obliterated by Haku because
a) Sasuke does not how to summon dogs
b) even if he'd knew, Haku would fight defensively and from a distance to avoid getting marked with blood through his Demonic Ice Mirrors
Actually, if Haku could do b) he might even have a chance vs. Kakashi. Then, why didn't Haku use that jutsu to hit Sasuke? And how would he hit Sasuke in the mist anyway? Zabuza had special training to kill without seeing, but did Haku have that ability as well? We don't know if Haku had any special counters for Sharingan, that is true. However, it is more productive to talk about abilities people have, instead of abilites they might have.
Lee-pimp
2004-11-30, 18:43
number one, im pretty sure there is a rule against vs. threads although they may have gotten rid of that in my absence from the forums.
anyway, pure taijutsu haku wins, tenten hasnt shown any skills except for her weapons, if she had good taijutsu she would have used it against temari, also haku was said to have great taijutsu so hands down haku. With ninjutsu its even more easily haku's fight.
Ok, maybe sasuke can dodge the needles with sharingan(while focusing hard), but theres so much potential to haku's demon ice mirror jutsu:
he could of:
(a) add a layer of ice on the floor so it be slippery and harder for sasuke to dodge
(b) add mist to the air so it be harder for sasuke to see (he show zabuza how to counter the sharingan)
(c) use kunai instead of senbon
(d) freeze sasuke's legs
(e) or do all the above
if haku had any bit of killer intent, sasuke wouldn't have a chance to awaken his sharingan (and naruto wouldn't have time to awaken the fox)
as for TenTen... i see her on par with sakura
neodrag38
2004-11-30, 21:13
The fact is that if Haku was trying to actually kill Sasuke and Naruto, they would be dead. The fact that all he used were senbon needles instead of using like shruiken made of ice show that he was trying to get them out of the way without killing them. I'm also annoyed with this whole Sasuke dodgin the needles yet there was the situation in both the anime and manga that Haku can easily send out projectiles from all the mirrors at the same time, making it pratically impossible to dodge all of those senbons. I don't find it too spectacular for Sasuke to dodge or stop needles not coming from just one or two mirrors.
Also don't forget the fact that this situation had a Sasuke covered in Senbons and that the use of the Sharingan still does take up chakra with the fact he was using it for the first time and wouldn't be able to deal easily with the little setback that follows along with all bloodlines in that a bloodline ability requires the use of chakra. Haku won the fight and still would have won in that Sasuke still doesn't have a complete advantage in battle against Haku during this fight.
Edit: Oh and by the way, there's no way in hell that Tenten would win against Haku for obvious reasons. We're talking about a guy would has been trained to aim for non-fatal and fatal areas of the opponents body, that in itself requires great aim.
If Haku were actually trying to kill Naruto and Sasuke, I predict the following ways in which Naruto and Sasuke would come out on top:
var sarcasm= "Sasuke does a massive replacement no jutsu, puts Sakura in his place, and escapes. Sakura, motionless in fear, is hammered with Haku's needles. Upon seeing this, Kyuubi decides to say "Hi, how ya doin'?" to Naruto, and in the blink of a sharingan eye, Naruto is fired up and ready to rock and roll. Naruto, with the blessing of Kyuubi, shatters the mirrors, and saves the day (much like what happened when Sasuke nearly perished, but to a much greater extent, for it was almost Sakura this time).";
var sarcasm_two = "By the grace of his eyes, Sasuke manages to grab hold of Haku's ankle. Haku trips and falls to the ground. Sasuke helps him up and instructs him to take off his mask and take a good, long look in one of his mirrors. Haku does this reluctantly but full of curiosity. As the mask falls to the ground, Sasuke condems Haku for looking like a girl. Haku quickly glances at several of his mirrors! His image is everywhere, and he falls to his knees where he breaks out in tears. Sasuke and Naruto comfort the poor boy... Haku destroys his mirrors out of shame.";
I hope that clears things up for everyone.
LOL! That's all I needed to hear.
Obviously she is just a week non important char, imo it sounds like at least the anime did her some jusice.
I disagree. If anything, the anime version completely destroyed any credibility Tenten might have had as a ninja by making EVERY single attack of hers seem so useless and futile.
Haku would still win. Haku would be superior in Taijutsu and Genjusu.
But Haku beating Kakashi?....LOL!
But that's even funnier! Haku could have killed Sasuke and Naruto in a mater of seconds if he really wanted to.
Funny how much stronger Naruto is than Kakashi. :P
(I'm talking brute power, not who would win in a fight. It's known that Kyuubi Naruto has more chakra than Kakashi and can heal any blows given to him)
Well, what I was thinking is that, with clear fields of fire, the battle comes down to who can throw with the greatest accuracy and dodge best. I doubt Haku would have time to open up with Genjutsu if he's got six or seven kunais headed for him at top speed. Granted, this is much more of a possibility in a forest duel (Haku could set up a trap and confuse Tenten before landing a critical shot) but that's why I asked both questions. And Taijutsu...? Do you really think Haku would try and close to melee range while under fire, especially since he's best at flinging senbon?
My opinions on this: Haku wins in a forest environment, since he does have better stealth and the apparent ability to teleport over short distances, which would allow him to get a surprise attack in on Tenten. In a open shooting ground...well, that's what I'm not sure of. Haku can definitely dodge better than Tenten, but she's got some scary accuracy and a good rate of fire. Plus, her hits pack a lot more punch than Haku's, and his constitution looks iffy, so if she gets one or two lucky hits, he's screwed.
And yes, I recognize that Haku would probably cream Tenten if Ninjutsu was allowed...if he uses Demonic Ice Mirrors, Tenten has no clear target, and if she shoots at one mirror, Haku just needs to reflect to another and put a handful of senbon in her back.
As for the other points: Haku could have taken Naruto and Sasuke down in seconds IF HE WANTED TO. As Zabuza put it, he's too kind to do that. And against Kakashi...well, Kakashi did seem to be somewhat unnerved by Haku's power, but I suppose the Copy Ninja would be able to pull some jutsu out of his immense bag of tricks and get out of Demonic Ice Mirrors, assuming Haku didn't land a lucky shot at first.
Oh, and _Sin_...sorry 'bout that. Are vs. threads considered not kosher here?
I really don't think Kunais will be difficult for Haku to dodge...
CyberPunk
2004-12-01, 02:42
The fact is that if Haku was trying to actually kill Sasuke and Naruto, they would be dead. The fact that all he used were senbon needles instead of using like shruiken made of ice show that he was trying to get them out of the way without killing them. I'm also annoyed with this whole Sasuke dodgin the needles yet there was the situation in both the anime and manga that Haku can easily send out projectiles from all the mirrors at the same time, making it pratically impossible to dodge all of those senbons. I don't find it too spectacular for Sasuke to dodge or stop needles not coming from just one or two mirrors.
Also don't forget the fact that this situation had a Sasuke covered in Senbons and that the use of the Sharingan still does take up chakra with the fact he was using it for the first time and wouldn't be able to deal easily with the little setback that follows along with all bloodlines in that a bloodline ability requires the use of chakra. Haku won the fight and still would have won in that Sasuke still doesn't have a complete advantage in battle against Haku during this fight.
Edit: Oh and by the way, there's no way in hell that Tenten would win against Haku for obvious reasons. We're talking about a guy would has been trained to aim for non-fatal and fatal areas of the opponents body, that in itself requires great aim.
i agree haku would demolish sasuke pre and post sharingan if he truly intended too, but at that point in the game, haku was also worn out. he even stated that he could not keep up that movement much longer and that attacking sasuke would be dangerous. sasuke would have overcome haku at that point and time.
Haku wins easily. TenTen may never miss... but Haku knows better where to aim with his medical knowledge. He would only need one pin to land in the right spot while TenTen doesn't have that kind of medical knowledge... she'd need a lot more to land before she won.
neodrag38
2004-12-01, 10:21
i agree haku would demolish sasuke pre and post sharingan if he truly intended too, but at that point in the game, haku was also worn out. he even stated that he could not keep up that movement much longer and that attacking sasuke would be dangerous. sasuke would have overcome haku at that point and time.
Yet it seem that Haku still had enough energy to send out senbons for all the mirrors at the same time, got a huge punch in the face by Naruto who Kyubi charged, and still had enough energy to make another mirror to sacrifice himself for Zabuza. That pretty much leans to him still having some energy left. Just because someone has a cautious thought about their opponent doesn't mean they are going to lose, just that they are not insanely cocky and willing to ignore any changes in the opponent.
sasuke would have overcome haku at that point and time.I don't see why people are saying this. Both Haku and Sasuke should've been tired at that time and Sasuke hadn't really done anything towards Haku until he tossed Haku away from Naruto, and at that time Haku "killed" (could have, if he wanted to) Sasuke. No one can say what would happen, but if Haku had fought seriously in the beginning, he would've won. Easily.
I don't see why people are saying this. Both Haku and Sasuke should've been tired at that time and Sasuke hadn't really done anything towards Haku until he tossed Haku away from Naruto, and at that time Haku "killed" (could have, if he wanted to) Sasuke. No one can say what would happen, but if Haku had fought seriously in the beginning, he would've won. Easily.
At the beginning of their fight when Sasuke hadn't started to awake the Sharingan I don't think anyone ever said that Sasuke had a chance to win if Haku really wanted to kill him.
He also chose not to kill him when he used Naruto as a bait to force Sasuke to take hits in order to save his comrade.
But in the other hand after a while when Sasuke awakened his Sharingan, Haku admitted himself that he couldn't hit him anymore, that he couldn't maintain his jutsu for long because it cost too much chakra and thus that he was in trouble and made a mistake attacking Sasuke that way.
Sasuke didn't look very tired, Haku's needles weren't good weapons when they didn't hit vital spots.
He could still perfectly avoid the attacks of Haku and do that more and more easily with time, time which was against Haku using a jutsu costing much in chakra contrary to Sasuke.
Out of his mirrors and low in chakra, Haku who couldn't do much against Sasuke when he hadn't even the Sharingan would have been pretty much screwed.
About Ten-Ten, I can't even start to imagine a way for her to stand against Haku.
neodrag38
2004-12-01, 11:27
At the beginning of their fight when Sasuke hadn't started to awake the Sharingan I don't think anyone ever said that Sasuke had a chance to win if Haku really wanted to kill him.
He also chose not to kill him when he used Naruto as a bait to force Sasuke to take hits in order to save his comrade.
But in the other hand after a while when Sasuke awakened his Sharingan, Haku admitted himself that he couldn't hit him anymore, that he couldn't maintain his jutsu for long because it cost too much chakra and thus that he was in trouble and made a mistake attacking Sasuke that way.
Sasuke didn't look very tired, Haku's needles weren't good weapons when they didn't hit vital spots.
He could still perfectly avoid the attacks of Haku and do that more and more easily with time, time which was against Haku using a jutsu costing much in chakra contrary to Sasuke.
Out of his mirrors and low in chakra, Haku who couldn't do much against Sasuke when he hadn't even the Sharingan would have been pretty much screwed.
About Ten-Ten, I can't even start to imagine a way for her to stand against Haku.
Would you say that Sasuke would be able to dodge projectiles coming at him from all the mirrors all at once like what Haku did to Naruto when he was taken over by Kyubi?
Haku was succesfull in his first attempt to defeat Sasuke with Sharingan (Yes, he did use Naruto as a decoy, but since he in fact was succesfull, that means there could have been lots of other ways. Thus we cannot see the outcome).
Would you say that Sasuke would be able to dodge projectiles coming at him from all the mirrors all at once like what Haku did to Naruto when he was taken over by Kyubi?
Firstly that's an anime filler scene only.
But anyway yes : if Haku can strike like that and admit that dispite that he couldn't hit Sasuke anymore and was forced to seek a different way to be able to touch Sasuke using Naruto as bait then he couldn't hit Sasuke simple as that.
Haku was succesfull in his first attempt to defeat Sasuke with Sharingan (Yes, he did use Naruto as a decoy, but since he in fact was succesfull, that means there could have been lots of other ways. Thus we cannot see the outcome).
No, he was succesfull to defeat Sasuke with the Sharingan with Naruto.
Without threatening Naruto to force Sasuke to be at a known place and make impossible for him to dodge Haku couldn't hit him anymore.
If your point is merely to say that Kishomoto could have invented any other plot in his storyline to make this situation happen differently then okey it's true of course.
But it's not a matter of abilities.
Haku was most than probably overall a better ninja than Sasuke at this time but the Sharingan was just the worst match for Haku's best jutsu.
Actually it's possible that a weaker jutsu than the Demonic Mirrors could have been a better idea against someone with the Sharingan.
MysticNinjaJay
2004-12-01, 12:25
I love fantasy fights but I'm starting to hate fantasy threads. The one thing that interests me is how strong Haku actually was. Was he just so formidable because of his bloodine and ability to devise jutsu like the demon ice mirrors? Or was he far above Genin level and really on par with Kakashi like Sakura and Zabuza said (Sakura being the only one to say Haku was better than Kakashi). He lost out in speed to Sasuke when they fought normally which indicates that he isn't that much above Genin level and yet Zabuza said Kakashi could not defeat him. I don't think there is anyway Tenten of all people could defeat Haku but I think Kakashi could defeat the ice mirrors if Sasuke was able to atleast hit him. Haku was playing around with Naruto and Sasuke because he didn't want to kill them but is he really all that strong compared to a Jounin?
Haku was playing around with Naruto and Sasuke because he didn't want to kill them but is he really all that strong compared to a Jounin?
.....................NO
hmongstang
2004-12-01, 12:50
yo mag readers! mind to tell me who's Haku and tenen?
yo mag readers! mind to tell me who's Haku and tenen?
Haku is the dude that looks like a chick, the one who hangs with Zabuza. In the first arc of the anime.
Tenten is the chick who hangs with Lee and Neji, and basically does nothing special except for throw things at Neji for training purposes.
Frankly I'm amazed you had to ask. :twitch:
hmongstang
2004-12-01, 12:56
Haku is the dude that looks like a chick, the one who hangs with Zabuza. In the first arc of the anime.
Tenten is the chick who hangs with Lee and Neji, and basically does nothing special except for throw things at Neji for training purposes.
Frankly I'm amazed you had to ask. :twitch:
eheeh thanks for the infor.. i should end my self
CyberPunk
2004-12-01, 13:31
Yet it seem that Haku still had enough energy to send out senbons for all the mirrors at the same time, got a huge punch in the face by Naruto who Kyubi charged, and still had enough energy to make another mirror to sacrifice himself for Zabuza. That pretty much leans to him still having some energy left. Just because someone has a cautious thought about their opponent doesn't mean they are going to lose, just that they are not insanely cocky and willing to ignore any changes in the opponent.
i didn't say haku didn't have any energy left. i said he was ALSO worn out, just like sasuke. you implied that sasuke was the only one suffering from drain with his sharingan, when haku was maintaining his mirrors and bouncing around them with his, now useless, method of attacking.
I don't see why people are saying this. Both Haku and Sasuke should've been tired at that time and Sasuke hadn't really done anything towards Haku until he tossed Haku away from Naruto, and at that time Haku "killed" (could have, if he wanted to) Sasuke. No one can say what would happen, but if Haku had fought seriously in the beginning, he would've won. Easily.
i think we've all said that haku would have won in the beginning if he was serious. hell, i even said he could beat a sharingan user sasuke if the killing intent was there from the beginning. but it wasn't and haku would have made a mistake in underestimating sasuke had he not used naruto as bait.
Tsukuyomi
2004-12-01, 22:06
the mask... can he even see through it???
the needles... can they be thrown faster then the kunai??
what other kinjutsu could Haku have learned? TT
I believe Haku would have won because he could have beaten Sasuke who was #1 of the class easily with or without his mask on if he purposely aimed for his vital parts and considering Tenten is a year ahead of sasuke and Neji was #1 before sasuke...
wow! ANBU must be skilled because you cannot possibily see through those masks they wear... or maybe they can - i don't know O_O
UserName
2004-12-01, 23:03
Greetings, all. I'm wondering who people think would win this fight: Tenten vs. Haku. Both fight using similar tactics, in general using fast and accurate ranged attacks to beat down their opponents, so I'm curious as to who would come out the victor. Anyway, here's what I thought of: set up a large, forested area (not as large or as infested with dangerous creatures as the Forest of Death, but sorta like that), give each fighter a backpack full of ammo, forbid the use of offensive ninjutsu (e.g. Haku's Demonic Ice Mirrors or Tenten's mass weapon summon technique), and set them loose. Who wins? Also, who wins if the terrain changes from a forest with good cover to an open battlefield, such as the Wave Country Bridge or the arena in Konoha?
Zabuza said he taught Haku eveyrthing he knew. Which would Include jutsus like the water dragon which would wipe the floor with any genin. We don't know what Haku was completely capable of. But on the topic. Haku would win... he would simply own her....
Prince of Chronics
2004-12-01, 23:50
TenTen is weak... she got smoked so easily by Temari... pitting her against Haku ain't gonna help... it took a kyuubi powered Naruto to beat Haku and last I checked TenTen ain't got powers like that... in both forested areas with lots of cover and in areas that are wide open, Haku would destroy TenTen no problem...
Isis&Osiris
2004-12-02, 23:57
an elite genius shinobi vs a genin? i wunder who vill vin?
i'tll be over in seconds. haku wouldn't need the DIM jutsu. as i recall, he can teleport (if he didn't know the location of zabuza) or he did and used a phase shift technique to save zabuza.
he can use this relocation tech on tenten like Yondaime.
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