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Anyone notice that Naruto looks an awfull lot like the fourth hokage?
Just a thought...
NoSanninWa
2003-11-05, 05:26
Jeez. yeah. Lots of people have noticed this. If this was the old forum I'd refer you to a bunch of threads created by people that want to point this out. Since it isn't the old forum, congratulation on being the first to post this old chestnut.
People have a bunch of ideas about why Naruto looks like the 4th Hokage. Some say that it is merely a coincidence of art style. Others think that Naruto is the 4th Hokage reincarnated. Others believe that Naruto is the 4th Hokage's nephew or other relation. The truth is unknown, even to those who read the manga.
Nagare Ryouma
2003-11-05, 05:41
People tend to think Naruto looks like the 4th is due to the fact that he was the one who sealed the 9 tails in Naruto and Naruto happens to have the Rasengan in his arsenal...... Not to mention whenever some kind of past events is brought up especially when Naruto is around, the 4th's names is always brought up. Although all these seems to be connected, but the fact is that the truth is still not known..... The 1-3 generation Hokage's pass has been revealed.... But there's still no sign of the 4th yet..... I'm looking forward to it if that's gonan happen.
Aquillion
2003-11-05, 06:50
Perhaps someone who can (to some degree) read Japanese could go back to the recent episode where Naruto signs that frog contract -- the 4th's name must be on it, after all, and I do seem to recall that we get a clear view of the last few names. That'd at least tell us something.
Since it isn't the old forum, congratulation on being the first to post this old chestnut.
Too bad because this is not even the first time in the new forum lol ^^
And Aquillion, it's a good idea but the name of the 4th is illegible on the scroll ;)
SamGadsby
2003-11-05, 12:43
MANGA CH 124 SPOILER (sorry sub watchers, not out yet on vid)
Hokage says that the jutsu that sealed kyubi will join the souls of the sealed and the sealer forever, so maybe the 4ths soul inside of Naruto influenced his appearance, kyubi influenced Naruto's appearance as well, notice the whisker marks? Also kyubi was a demon, so it takes demon chakra to alter Naruto to resemble a fox, like when he fought the ice mirrors. IMO.
MANGA CH 124 SPOILER (sorry sub watchers, not out yet on vid)
Hokage says that the jutsu that sealed kyubi will join the souls of the sealed and the sealer forever, so maybe the 4ths soul inside of Naruto influenced his appearance, kyubi influenced Naruto's appearance as well, notice the whisker marks? Also kyubi was a demon, so it takes demon chakra to alter Naruto to resemble a fox, like when he fought the ice mirrors. IMO.
Well here is what I have heard
Well in episode 56 jiraiya ask the fourth hokage to not be angry at him for what he was doing to naruto, what we know is that the fourth hokage was connected to naruto in some way other than being just the one thats sealed the demon fox into him. My speculation is that the fourth hokage was naruto's father, also the forth hokage was not even in his thirties, he was the youngest hokage every infact jiraiya was his jounin when he was growing up so its pretty interesting as to what naruto's future holds in store for him.
Wow, never tought I'd see this thread again :P
It's obvious that everybody noticed Naruto looks like the Yondaime.
OFFSPRiNGCo16
2003-11-05, 16:48
Yea..its been discuess, and I think we can all conclude they are probably related on another level other then just him sealing the kyubi inside of him.
so like appearantly someone else was able to read the first character of the fourths name "shi" is all that is legible i have heard many rumours non probably true that his name is shingame doubt it but thats all i have heard
another reason why the names are so hard to read is that jiraiyas is written in kanji naruto's is in harigana as i think its said
ill i can say is after readin some what over and over in the manga they still havnt mentioned any relation to the fourth but i still have a strong belief that the fourth is narutos father
I think kakashi and pervert senin could be related, share teh same taste in books after all. maybe kakashi doesnt know that he's pervert senin's love child
Once again this a thread reappears that we've discussed before...but nothere. So having this topic in a new forum isn't so bad even though it's been discussed.
Anyway I prefer my wild and crazy theory of Naruto being a type of reincarnation or such of the 4th because it's just so much more different then Naruto just being the son or nephew of the 4th whcih looks to be a little too typical.
uglypigs
2003-11-05, 19:09
vote now for naruto for the 4th!
hobobaggins
2003-11-05, 20:08
naruto cannot be the fourth. the position was filled
he can however, be the sixth
not to mention WE cant vote. sasuke votes himself for hokage... and so does sakura probably.... if you go by reader polls, kakashi=hokage, because he is the most popular.
Kakashi is related to Jiraiya. Jiraiya was the 4th's sensei, who was Kakashi's sensei. They're somewhat related. Even so, all the Leaf people pretty much know the Sannin, since they're very famous there.
NenMaster
2003-11-05, 21:24
didnt know jiraiya was the 4ths sensei, might have 2 start watching naruto
didnt know jiraiya was the 4ths sensei, might have 2 start watching naruto
Well, it hasn't been mentioned in the manga yet :D
Just wait a little and you'll know more about the ol' generation teams :heh:
"Wait a little"? Well, you'll have to wait about 30 episodes from now.
Nameless
2003-11-05, 22:46
I think they might some way be related, but in any other case nothing is rock yet. Please don't make comparisons based on techniques they know. Jiraiya taught Naruto the Rasengan just like he taught the 4th the Rasengan. Does that mean Jiraiya is related to them too?
A more concrete theory would be bringing up that Jiraiya apologized to the 4th when he was putting Naruto's life at risk. It doesn't mean the 4th is inside Naruto but it could mean he's apologizing to the 4th because Naruto is an important entity to him. It is possible that the 4th is sealed inside Naruto, but this would only be a sound theory if we knew whether or not the 4th's body was recovered after his confrontation with Kyubi. Another thing to note, is that it has ALSO been mentioned that Orochimaru couldn't summon the 4th against the 3rd. Was it that he couldn't, or that he was stopped? We don't know because translations are never perfect.
I think Orochimaru couldn't summon the 4th, because if the 3rd knew a technique to stop a summon, he would've done it before the 2nd Hokage was summoned, or it would've directly mentioned that he did a technique to stop the summon. We'll know soon enough, you know why? The anime always has fillers with this stuff, so I'm sure if there WAS a technique, they'll go into an entire little demonstration showing what the technique was, how he did it, and Orochimaru will comment on it, even though he wasn't able to stop it. Hell, we might even see another little chakra figure, showing where the 3rd pulled the chakra from to do such a technique.
Yeah....they really look a lot like eachother, but I guess everebody has noticed that........I think that somehow they might be familie....I even think that the forth might be Naruto's father (or am i saying something really stupid now.....please tell me if i am.....)
I even think that the forth might be Naruto's father (or am i saying something really stupid now.....please tell me if i am.....)
Well, he was Hokage and how should he know what/who he did 9 months before the Kyubi attack? :)
Well, he was Hokage and how should he know what/who he did 9 months before the Kyubi attack? :)
yeah......that's what I mean.... :naughty: ;) ;) :naughty:
Kabuto Maniac
2004-04-13, 14:33
wow! that's an old one! damn, november 2003... but: my theory has always been: 4th=naruto mom screwer (sounds better than 'dad'... :D)
hobobaggins
2004-04-13, 14:45
i hope this was just a late april fool's joke...
why does this always get brought up??
oh. this is an old thread.
Yeah....they really look a lot like eachother, but I guess everebody has noticed that........I think that somehow they might be familie....I even think that the forth might be Naruto's father (or am i saying something really stupid now.....please tell me if i am.....) maybe. but your grammar/spelling is shot to hell.
and this is basically what everyone has been saying. so it is only as stupid as those select people on these forums.
if naruto IS the son of the FOURTH, then that would settle a lot of issues.
all the girls inlcuding Sakura would fall for him !! :heh:
he will become the Hokage..
Neji's idea of predestined fate to become a Hokage would come out true...
Sasuke and other badasses would be under his power...
think of all the possibilities ! ! !
pathyfinder
2004-04-13, 15:02
actually it never occured to me that Naruto could be the fourth's kid
perhaps this should be in spoiler tags because it never passed thru my mind....you just wrecked the entire series for me :argue:
this is speculation and speculations are to be in spoiler tags :D
They both don't have whiskers
the forth doesn't appear to be hated by everyone like Naruto was
they may both have the same color hair, but come on there isn't a lot of choices out there for anime hair
the frog never mentioned it
jiraiya never mentioned it
Kabuto Maniac
2004-04-13, 15:05
this is speculation and speculations are to be in spoiler tags :Dthat's called sarcasm, and it belongs in [sarcasm] tags! don't you know the rules!?!Neji's idea of predestined fate to become a Hokage would come out true...wasn't it the other way around?
rEkKaShInObI
2004-04-13, 15:12
the whole worlds coming to an end!! jesus everyone knows naruto LOOKS like the 4th, common sense
that's called sarcasm, and it belongs in [sarcasm] tags! don't you know the rules!?!wasn't it the other way around?
FATE IS DESTINED WHEN YOU ARE BORN. S IF NARUTO IS FOURTH'S SON, THEN NATURALLY HIS CHANCES OF BECOMING THE HOKAGE GO SKY ROCKETTING.
THAT IS WHAT NEJI'S THEORY OF PREDESTINED FATE IS...fate is decided when you are born. hardwork alone does not get you through !!
Evilbunny
2004-04-13, 15:20
ok, so if the fourth is Naruto's father then who is the mother? Tsunade? omg that would be so cool if she was.
pathyfinder
2004-04-13, 15:26
the whole worlds coming to an end!! jesus everyone knows naruto LOOKS like the 4th, common sense well Jesus and I talk a lot but he never mentioned that one, perhaps it's a prayer better left unanswered.
Are you saying I lack common sense???? :sad:
I was hoping the 3rd was the dad and was going to state that on the day he dies!
well Jesus and I talk a lot but he never mentioned that one, perhaps it's a prayer better left unanswered.
Are you saying I lack common sense???? :sad:
I was hoping the 3rd was the dad and was going to state that on the day he dies!
How come nobody is mentioning the MOM !!!
i think it might be Tsunade...may be may be not...another other freaky females fit to be Naruto's Mom ?
ok, so if the fourth is Naruto's father then who is the mother? Tsunade? omg that would be so cool if she was.
:twitch: Tsunade could be the fourth's mother...
I think pathy is right, the 3rd is his father, and Kurenai is his mother, I bet Sarutobi knew pretty well how to caress a woman :naughty:
the whole worlds coming to an end!! jesus everyone knows naruto LOOKS like the 4th, common sense
Put those in coincidence tags! :frustrated:
j/k The truth is we'll never know until the creator decides to tell us! *shakes fist*
Tsunade the mom?? But she's old enough to be his grandmother.
Then again...the 4th might have been attracted to older women. :naughty:
Kabuto Maniac
2004-04-13, 15:37
Tsunade the mom?? But she's old enough to be his grandmother.
Then again...the 4th might have been attracted to older women. :naughty:It might just be me, but I think they were talking about Tsunade being the 4th's mom.... (seen from the reply's...)
and btw, I wouldn't have any problem with a 40-year-old looking like that!!
Put those in coincidence tags! :frustrated:
j/k The truth is we'll never know until the creator decides to tell us! *shakes fist*
Tsunade the mom?? But she's old enough to be his grandmother.
Then again...the 4th might have been attracted to older women. :naughty:
OK then lets make a reconstruction...
fourth was in love with a girl. they give birth to a child. everybody is happy. then kyubi appears. Fourth has to go to save the day. but wait a minute that is not his only reason ! he goes after the monster coz its attacks on the village kills his wife...leaving naruto all alone. so he is going to kick some butt. but realises that Kyubi is too strong and cannot be contained.. he thinks of Naruto too, "poor child.. he will be alone if i die now" he thinks. so he devises a plan, he prepares to give naruto the powers of Kyubi to help him survive in this harsh world," this is a lttle present from your dad" says he. and then kabboooom !! he dies, and becomes a martyr for the village while Naruto, our hero,"4th's look alike" i'd say, acquires Kyubi's power.......
but its only a thought :twitch:
Naruto hasn't any mother, The 4th was knocked up by the chakrachloriens.
Kabuto Maniac
2004-04-13, 15:45
OK then lets make a reconstruction...
fourth was in love with a girl. they give birth to a child. everybody is happy. then kyubi appears. Fourth has to go to save the day. but wait a minute that is not his only reason ! he goes after the monster coz its attacks on the village kills his wife...leaving naruto all alone. so he is going to kick some butt. but realises that Kyubi is too strong and cannot be contained.. he thinks of Naruto too, "poor child.. he will be alone if i die now" he thinks. so he devises a plan, he prepares to give naruto the powers of Kyubi to help him survive in this harsh world," this is a lttle present from your dad" says he. and then kabboooom !! he dies, and becomes a martyr for the village while Naruto, our hero,"4th's look alike" i'd say, acquires Kyubi's power.......
but its only a thought :twitch:but all of that must've happened in a split-second then, cos' naruto had just had his umbilical cord cut off when the Kyuubi was sealed inside him... ;)
jennwenn
2004-04-13, 15:47
OMG, blonde+blonde= Naruto! :heh:
Anyway, Naruto's mother must've been dead if the 4th is his father because who the heck would let him do that to her son?! She would've said "Screw you Yondaime, that kyubi's not going into my baby!"
rEkKaShInObI
2004-04-13, 15:49
naruto came out of thin air, end spoiler.
but all of that must've happened in a split-second then, cos' naruto had just had his umbilical cord cut off when the Kyuubi was sealed inside him... ;)
u never know ! !
ya , naruto does sort of look like the 4th honkage, by their hair colors and their hair styles.
|)arK_Nin
2004-04-13, 16:11
ive noticed this first time i saw the 4th
Manga Spoilers
He also looks like Tsunade's dead brother
Black Jaggan
2004-04-13, 16:20
Right now, I'm wondering why there is a 3 page thread on something we apparently all agree on. That wouldn't be so bad, if everyone had something usefull to say about it, but right now it's just people repeating eachother.
Well then that does it. Naruto's mom MUST be Ramen Girl!
I mean Naruto loves ramen...Ramen Girl makes ramen. 2+2=5?
The similarities are uncanny people!
No wonder Naruto goes to the stand everyday.
She's young, cute, and can cook...what guy wouldn't want to knock her up!
*notices ramen girl fans wavering in the distance* :uhoh:
Kabuto Maniac
2004-04-13, 16:48
Well then that does it. Naruto's mom MUST be Ramen Girl!
I mean Naruto loves ramen...Ramen Girl makes ramen. 2+2=5?
The similarities are uncanny people!
No wonder Naruto goes to the stand everyday.
She's young, cute, and can cook...what guy wouldn't want to knock her up!
*notices ramen girl fans wavering in the distance* :uhoh:maybe it was Ramen Girl's evil twin! I wouldn't mind her dying.. (though... a Ramen Girl treesome...:naughty: big time!!!!!!!)
pathyfinder
2004-04-13, 16:58
Naruto hasn't any mother, The 4th was knocked up by the chakrachloriens. OMGosh LMFHO stop your killing me :bash: :bash: :heh:
oh, thanks Hunter I needed that :D (pure laughs)
well, not like anything in Naruto world has to correlate to ours.....however after a woman is over 30 it is harder for her to make her first baby and if her first baby is over 40 well, she's lucky. BUT, you have this top notch ninja babe in tit top condition, I wouldn't see any problem with her having a baby, however she would know she had a baby unless everyone told her "he died" but I can't see Leaf being that rude to her, even if the kid did have a Kyuubi sealed in it, I can't see anyone doing that. That village isn't that big where they would say "here we have a newborn, and we have no idea where it came from or whose it is"
but all of that must've happened in a split-second then, cos' naruto had just had his umbilical cord cut off when the Kyuubi was sealed inside him... ;) Uhm... that cord is known to stay on a baby for up to a month, most dry and fall off in 7-14 days. So it isn't likeit has to mean that his mom just gave birth to him and then Kyuubi comes a stopping in like Rat-zilla. :eyespin:
I think they might some way be related, but in any other case nothing is rock yet. Please don't make comparisons based on techniques they know. Jiraiya taught Naruto the Rasengan just like he taught the 4th the Rasengan. Does that mean Jiraiya is related to them too?
A more concrete theory would be bringing up that Jiraiya apologized to the 4th when he was putting Naruto's life at risk. It doesn't mean the 4th is inside Naruto but it could mean he's apologizing to the 4th because Naruto is an important entity to him. It is possible that the 4th is sealed inside Naruto, but this would only be a sound theory if we knew whether or not the 4th's body was recovered after his confrontation with Kyubi. Another thing to note, is that it has ALSO been mentioned that Orochimaru couldn't summon the 4th against the 3rd. Was it that he couldn't, or that he was stopped? We don't know because translations are never perfect.
I think Orochimaru couldn't summon the 4th, because if the 3rd knew a technique to stop a summon, he would've done it before the 2nd Hokage was summoned, or it would've directly mentioned that he did a technique to stop the summon. We'll know soon enough, you know why? The anime always has fillers with this stuff, so I'm sure if there WAS a technique, they'll go into an entire little demonstration showing what the technique was, how he did it, and Orochimaru will comment on it, even though he wasn't able to stop it. Hell, we might even see another little chakra figure, showing where the 3rd pulled the chakra from to do such a technique.
i was the first one from wut ive seen to post the theroy of the 4th is in naruto. this was in a diff therad. lol u need to watch it again. the 3rd goes ahh i need to stop him from summoning him(4th) so he stops him. but i forgot what with. u dont need ones body to seal them in the stomah(beast summoned). the justu seals both souls in side the belly of the beast(summon dude forgot name) to fight for enternity. perhaps the 4th did it diff and put kyubi in naruto and his soul wich would explane the apperance untill he summons kyubis charka then he looks like him. that makes since to me more than anything else. only cause when he takes kyubis soul, his and kyubis are supposed to go into that summons stomach but kyubis didnt, its in narutos.. get wut i mean?
the mother and father is the hardest theirs no clues to that. the 4th being the father makes sence. and the mother ehhh dude we just have to wait lol.
actully if naruto is the 4ths son nejis predested crap doesnt mean anything. this isnt the medevil, ages u can change ur status. the 4th and the 3rd arent related.
plus many times does it stat that the kage is the most powerfull and qualified ninja in the village
i was the first one from wut ive seen to post the theroy of the 4ths in naruto this was in a diff therad. lol u need to watch it again. the 3rd goes ahh i need to not let him summon him so he stops him. but i forgot wut wtih. u dont need ones body to seal them in their the justu seals both souls in side the belly of the beast(summon dude forgot name) to fight for enternity. perhaps the 4th did it diff and put kyubi in naruto and his soul wich would explane the apperance untill he summons kyubis charka then he looks like him. that makes since to me more than anything else. only cause when he takes kyubis soul its supposed to go into that summons stomach but it didnt its in narutos.. get wut i mean?
can u write in ENGLISH ?
Kabuto Maniac
2004-04-13, 17:28
Uhm... that cord is known to stay on a baby for up to a month, most dry and fall off in 7-14 days.I hope you aren't serious about that...:eyebrow:
btw, DAyGO: that was... astonishing.
I hope you aren't serious about that...:eyebrow:
btw, DAyGO: that was... astonishing.
im sry lol im horable at grammer but i changed it so maybe it makes more since
ninja babe in tit top condition
I want a ninja babe in tit top condition!!
Uh... I think pathyfinder was serious... because.... er... it sounds familiar.
pathyfinder
2004-04-13, 18:46
Well, the cord is cut after birth between the mother and child however the doctor or whom ever will cut the cord about 2" or so away from the baby belly button, and that "cord" does take a few days to dry up and fall off. I can't remember how long the cord was shown on that scene with naruto with the Kyuubi seal, however I do believe he was perhaps only a day or so old.
The kyuubi ate naruto's mom so like Gaara's mom, having the kyuubi sealed inside of Naruto, thus Naruto's mom can always be with him *ewww gross, I think I just grossed myself out*:eyespin:
Or maybe the Kyubi's the mother of Naruto, she was angry against the Leaf because the 4th raped her...
Poor little foxy :/
Or maybe the Kyubi's the mother of Naruto, she was angry against the Leaf because the 4th raped her...
Poor little foxy :/
lmgdfao lo good theroy think i might stick with that one it seems resonable ehh then u could say that his mother is in his stomach just likes garras mother is in his sand lmfao no im kidding but tis funny
Iruka is obviously Kakashi's father because they both have scars.
O_O;;
Ok.. Kyubi is... Naruto's mother... O_O;; Mmmm... I don't really mind since I'm eating popeyes chicken but... thats disturbing.
rEkKaShInObI
2004-04-13, 19:42
some speculations are just plain dumb (no offense). Is it really important now about whos naruto's dad (if he has one), or how hes gonna beat gaara in the anime?
Bronwen Stx
2004-04-13, 22:30
I think they might some way be related, but in any other case nothing is rock yet. Please don't make comparisons based on techniques they know. Jiraiya taught Naruto the Rasengan just like he taught the 4th the Rasengan. Does that mean Jiraiya is related to them too?
Actually, it was the 4th who created the Rasengan who then taught Jeraiya who taught Naruto. It clearly said in the manga that the Rasengan was the 4th's jutsu (Tsunade keeps on saying it's the 4th's jutsu) because he is the creator and he is the only one (well, as far as we're concerned) who could accomplish to it's final level. The Rasengan has 8 levels apparently. Uh, when Naruto accomplished in mastering the first level of Rasengan and started on the 2nd, Jeraiya said that the 4th was 6 levels above the 2nd level...meaning it was very hard and it took him 3 years to master it...
And yes, heh, Jeraiya is related to them in some way and that is that the 4th and Naruto were/are his students. Seriously, with the jutsus he's learning, Naruto being called the 4th's isan, Jeraiya taking Naruto under his wing...etc.etc. it just sounds ominous that in one way or another Naruto is related to the 4th, as his son.
ayekappy
2004-04-13, 22:47
Yeah....they really look a lot like eachother, but I guess everebody has noticed that........I think that somehow they might be familie....I even think that the forth might be Naruto's father (or am i saying something really stupid now.....please tell me if i am.....)
after having read the da vinci code(just kidding) it's quite obvious that naruto is the product of the kyuubi being merged with the 4th's soul. reincarnation baby. why do you think that there is no marked grave for the fourth?
death couldn't suck kyuubi's soul through the 4th so it broke his contract, but death being the nice guy that he is, left the soul of kyuubi in the 4ths body and the body was reborn with the merging of the two souls.
the hokage didn't want the 4th to be summoned for the simple fact that it would break the seal and kyuubi would burst forth. ever notice that gama and all the older people have a certain understanding of naruto that doesn't really translate to him just being the 'kid with kyuubi'. i mean, he is a mix of kyuubi and the 4th physically, why not spiritualy... with the evil of kyuubi being locked up, that's why they can share chakra. gaara can't use shuk's charka directly can he? that's because they are just sharing, not merging. naruto doesn't have to worry about kyuubi taking over his personality while he sleeps.
my total theory. the 4th gives naruto the personality and charisma. kyuubi gives him the power and will to keep going more than anyone in the history of the naruto universe.
after having read the da vinci code(just kidding) it's quite obvious that naruto is the product of the kyuubi being merged with the 4th's soul. reincarnation baby. why do you think that there is no marked grave for the fourth?
You fell at the first hurdle. Which pretty much invalidates the rest of your post.
There was a marked grave for Yondaime. It was the third one that Oro summoned with his nifty jutsu. Another thing that invalidates your posts.
Wow....really....all these posts because nobody knows who the father or mother of Naruto are.....I shure made an important thread back there........ :) :)
Wow....really....all these posts because nobody knows who the father or mother of Naruto are.....I shure made an important thread back there........ :) :)
srry...I ofcourse mean post.......dumbass me......
ayekappy
2004-04-14, 10:10
You fell at the first hurdle. Which pretty much invalidates the rest of your post.
touche, I need to not post slightly drunk anymore. :) but I feel that it only invalidates my first paragraph, not the whole post.
Kabuto Maniac
2004-04-14, 10:11
srry...I ofcourse mean post.......dumbass me......1)there is a edit button, use it.
2) why do you use so much dots??? it's like morse or something, 'r you sure it aint stuck?
1)there is a edit button, use it.
2) why do you use so much dots??? it's like morse or something, 'r you sure it aint stuck?
Ok. I'm sorry. If it's both irritating i'll work on those two things. :uhoh: :) :)
after having read the da vinci code(just kidding) it's quite obvious that naruto is the product of the kyuubi being merged with the 4th's soul. reincarnation baby. why do you think that there is no marked grave for the fourth?
death couldn't suck kyuubi's soul through the 4th so it broke his contract, but death being the nice guy that he is, left the soul of kyuubi in the 4ths body and the body was reborn with the merging of the two souls.
the hokage didn't want the 4th to be summoned for the simple fact that it would break the seal and kyuubi would burst forth. ever notice that gama and all the older people have a certain understanding of naruto that doesn't really translate to him just being the 'kid with kyuubi'. i mean, he is a mix of kyuubi and the 4th physically, why not spiritualy... with the evil of kyuubi being locked up, that's why they can share chakra. gaara can't use shuk's charka directly can he? that's because they are just sharing, not merging. naruto doesn't have to worry about kyuubi taking over his personality while he sleeps.
my total theory. the 4th gives naruto the personality and charisma. kyuubi gives him the power and will to keep going more than anyone in the history of the naruto universe.
Or it was because he knew he couldn't fight the fourth..Personally I dont think yondaime is the father of naruto, because when yondaime died he was only 24 years old..
thelightandthedark
2004-04-14, 11:10
Or it was because he knew he couldn't fight the fourth..Personally I dont think yondaime is the father of naruto, because when yondaime died he was only 24 years old..
I just realized something kind of obvious, which is that you notice that in naruto the children have the same skills as the parents, Shikamaru, Kiba, Choji and Shino all do and they are not those who have bloodlines like neji and sasuke. It seems that different techniques belong to different families.
If Naruto is one of the only people apart Jiraya and the 4th to both summon Gambunta and perform Rasengan (excuse the spelling). Then a blood connection ic clearly implied
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If Naruto is one of the only people apart Jiraya and the 4th to both summon Gambunta and perform Rasengan (excuse the spelling). Then a blood connection ic clearly implied
Yeah as implied as the fact that Kakashi is the true father of Sasuke and that the 4th is the father of Jiraiya thanks to his secret time-travel kinjutsu.
LithKage
2004-04-14, 13:41
They have similar abilities because they're from the same clan. You can pass jutsu on to whoever you like. If I was a ninja parent I'd teach my kids the best jutsu I knew so that they would live long happy productive ninja lives. I don't think that it proves any relationship other then caring for or trying to help.
Besides if there were 2 people in Naruto that should be related it's Gai and Lee and we already know that they are not.
after having read the da vinci code(just kidding) it's quite obvious that naruto is the product of the kyuubi being merged with the 4th's soul. reincarnation baby. why do you think that there is no marked grave for the fourth?
death couldn't suck kyuubi's soul through the 4th so it broke his contract, but death being the nice guy that he is, left the soul of kyuubi in the 4ths body and the body was reborn with the merging of the two souls.
the hokage didn't want the 4th to be summoned for the simple fact that it would break the seal and kyuubi would burst forth. ever notice that gama and all the older people have a certain understanding of naruto that doesn't really translate to him just being the 'kid with kyuubi'. i mean, he is a mix of kyuubi and the 4th physically, why not spiritualy... with the evil of kyuubi being locked up, that's why they can share chakra. gaara can't use shuk's charka directly can he? that's because they are just sharing, not merging. naruto doesn't have to worry about kyuubi taking over his personality while he sleeps.
my total theory. the 4th gives naruto the personality and charisma. kyuubi gives him the power and will to keep going more than anyone in the history of the naruto universe.
i kinda agree with the idea that if the th was summoned then kyubi would of been relesed but then again. the 4th was considerd the greatest ninja causse he saved the village. 3rd is considered the greatest aswell cause his knowlege of justus i wouldnt want to fight the 4th expecailly with the 1st and second helping him..........gulp
Kabuto Maniac
2004-04-14, 14:21
i kinda agree with the idea that if the th was summoned then kyubi would of been relesed but then again. the 4th was considerd the greatest ninja causse he saved the village. 3rd is considered the greatest aswell cause his knowlege of justus i wouldnt want to fight the 4th expecailly with the 1st and second helping him..........gulphow can you guys be so sure that if the fourth gets summoned kyuubi pops-out? or is that a [spoiler]?
well I think its just some speculations..atleats I didn't read it in the manga..;)
Casshern
2004-04-14, 15:29
how can you guys be so sure that if the fourth gets summoned kyuubi pops-out?
When the third used the jutsu to seal Orochimaru he said that their souls would be bound together and fight each other eternally. The Fourth used the same jutsu to seal the Kyubi so that means that wherever the fourth is, that's where the Kyubi is. The logic behind the idea is that if you release the fourth, you also release the Kyubi that is sealed with him. I don't personally agree or dissagree with this but it is not unreasonable.
Another (irrelevant) thing is that if the Kyubi is bound to the Yondaime, and the Kyubi is sealed in Naruto, then maybe the Fourth is also sealed in Naruto. Not to sure about this, but maybe an idea for discussion if it hasn't been discussed already.
how can you guys be so sure that if the fourth gets summoned kyuubi pops-out? or is that a [spoiler]?
like i said my grammer is bad i just said i kinda like the theory that if he was to be summoned that would happen but ehh. i agree more with the 3rd getting his ass kicked 20 times over by the 4th along with the 1st and 2nd, cause he knew how powerfull the 4th was
Yeah as implied as the fact that Kakashi is the true father of Sasuke and that the 4th is the father of Jiraiya thanks to his secret time-travel kinjutsu.
Which makes sense because Jiraiya is really Naruto's father (see hair relations) and that the 3rd Hokage (suffering from Old Man disease) is actually Asuma's illegitimate child.
:twitch:
lol
kakashilion
2004-04-14, 17:06
Which makes sense because Jiraiya is really Naruto's father (see hair relations) and that the 3rd Hokage (suffering from Old Man disease) is actually Asuma's illegitimate child.
:twitch:
lol
definately lol
When the third used the jutsu to seal Orochimaru he said that their souls would be bound together and fight each other eternally. The Fourth used the same jutsu to seal the Kyubi so that means that wherever the fourth is, that's where the Kyubi is. The logic behind the idea is that if you release the fourth, you also release the Kyubi that is sealed with him. I don't personally agree or dissagree with this but it is not unreasonable.
Another (irrelevant) thing is that if the Kyubi is bound to the Yondaime, and the Kyubi is sealed in Naruto, then maybe the Fourth is also sealed in Naruto. Not to sure about this, but maybe an idea for discussion if it hasn't been discussed already.
when the user takes ones soul they both go in the the summons stomach to fight for enternity or wutever. but kyubi is in naruto so it only makes sence that the 4ths soul is in their 2. when naruto isnt using kyubi he looks like the 4th may not have the same personality but he may , that hasnt been clarified as of yet but jirya has said that naruto freakishly reminds him of the 4th. when he uses kyubi he begains to look more like kyubi with the red charka and when losses all control he kinda acts like him walking on 4 legs and jumping around with teeth showing i think(i think teeth were showin)(can be seen during the haku fight)
Which makes sense because Jiraiya is really Naruto's father (see hair relations) and that the 3rd Hokage (suffering from Old Man disease) is actually Asuma's illegitimate child.
:twitch:
lol
Oh, life's claer to me now...
But let's not forget the fact that the true leader of the Akatsuki is :bow: LORD AKIRA :bow: and its members are Itachi, Hoshigaki Kizame, the zombie pirate LeChuck, Barney the happy dinosaur, Gizmo, Hulk Hogan, Chuck Norris, Friend; and, of course, the true strongest: Naoki Urasawa.
:D
thelightandthedark
2004-04-14, 21:06
Yeah as implied as the fact that Kakashi is the true father of Sasuke and that the 4th is the father of Jiraiya thanks to his secret time-travel kinjutsu.
My bad, should think when stupid ideas pop into my head and should stop wishing for the dead 4ths "I am your Father" line.
if Jiraiya has a time travel jutsu it makes sense that he used it to have sex. But why hasn't he taught it to Naruto yet?
Which makes sense because Jiraiya is really Naruto's father (see hair relations) and that the 3rd Hokage (suffering from Old Man disease) is actually Asuma's illegitimate child.
Hmm good point, so Naruto would be the grandson of the 4th and Tsunade indeed, that's why she always refused to sleep with Jiraiya, she was in fact his young secret mother.
It's also quite obvious that the 3rd was Oro's father, that's why he let him flee in the past.
And all these solid facts carry out to only one obvious conclusion : Jiraiya knocked up Oro-chan when they were both drunk and the result of this awful act of drunken lust and love was Naruto!
He's the heir of all the Hokage and the Sannin and that's why he will be the next Hokage, that's fullproof!
Dunno if it has been discussed before but I wouldn't be surpised if Naruto has more powers than the obvious Nine tailed fox. I mean, why did Naruto get the Nine tailed fox seal? The 4 hokage must've had a reason to give it to Naruto.
First of all I'm guessing Narutos parents must've been something really special to have their child entrusted with this seal. If I would've been the 4th hokage I would've made sure the parents had pure hearts, I mean we wouldn't want a garaa or sasuke type runing around with the potential power the Nine tailed fox grants.
Something which hints Narutos parents must've been special is also his pretty unique apperance. For example, as I guess everybody has noticed, he has 6 lines in his face, 3 on each cheek.
This is all only speculations though, perhaps it's already been answered in the manga as well.
Evolution
2004-04-21, 19:55
There is no mention of Naruto's parents in the manga, but I have my own idea. I think they just chose a child whose parents died fighting Kyuubi. Well thats just my thought you dont have to agree with me
just for confirmation, has it been mentioned anywhere that Narutos parents was killed in the battle vs the Nine tailed fox?
LittleLaptopChan
2004-04-21, 20:03
no. nothing's been said about his parents in the manga or anime.
This subject has been discussed so much its sad. Please use the search feature before you post.
PathofNightshade
2004-04-21, 20:18
Dunno if it has been discussed before but I wouldn't be surpised if Naruto has more powers than the obvious Nine tailed fox. I mean, why did Naruto get the Nine tailed fox seal? The 4 hokage must've had a reason to give it to Naruto.
First of all I'm guessing Narutos parents must've been something really special to have their child entrusted with this seal. If I would've been the 4th hokage I would've made sure the parents had pure hearts, I mean we wouldn't want a garaa or sasuke type runing around with the potential power the Nine tailed fox grants.
Something which hints Narutos parents must've been special is also his pretty unique apperance. For example, as I guess everybody has noticed, he has 6 lines in his face, 3 on each cheek.
This is all only speculations though, perhaps it's already been answered in the manga as well.
In response,
yes it has been discussed on this forum... MANY TIMES!!! Use the search button next time, mmkay??? Thank you.
I merged two threads. Please use spoiler tags.
///_^
Muad'Dib
2004-04-21, 20:35
In the latest couple of episodes, Naruto without the headband on his forehead looked a -lot- more like the 4th than in the manga.
rikudark
2004-04-22, 17:58
Anyone know which episode Naruto signs the summon scroll? I'm tempted to marathon til I see it, but I just did an 80-episode marathon, so I'm not sure if I should...
Anyone know which episode Naruto signs the summon scroll? I'm tempted to marathon til I see it, but I just did an 80-episode marathon, so I'm not sure if I should...
either 52 or 53 I think.
Ultimate Sasuke
2004-04-22, 18:09
Anyone know which episode Naruto signs the summon scroll? I'm tempted to marathon til I see it, but I just did an 80-episode marathon, so I'm not sure if I should...
An 80 episode marathon how long did that take you? :hmm:
rikudark
2004-04-22, 18:13
Well, it took me a week because I have school. If it didn't I could do it in just over a day. something like 28 1/2 hours with mealtimes included...and maybe bathroom breaks too. Thats what I think I'll do this weekend.
Well, it took me a week because I have school. If it didn't I could do it in just over a day. something like 28 1/2 hours with mealtimes included...and maybe bathroom breaks too. Thats what I think I'll do this weekend.
wow...that's pretty sick...If I would do that I'm sure I would really flip out totally...... :twitch:
I had a search for wallpapers of Naruto and found one which is of the fourth Hokage's pic. Initially I thought that he was Naruto, but later then I found out that it is not. So guys, what do you all think?
By the way, I've found a very cool fourth Hokage wallpaper to share with all of you -> http://www.gurukitty.com/dee/wals/leaf/naruto3_1024x768-dee.jpg <-
pathyfinder
2004-05-04, 10:48
Looks too much like just an ordinary person with that shirt and tie on.
I think there is no possibility that the Forth Hokage is Naruto's dad.
So far nothing has been mentioned about Naruto's parents, unless I missed it. He does have an odd resemblance to the 4th though.
Lexander
2004-05-04, 11:45
Sooo Hunter what do you think? Is the 4th his dad? Also ... is Haku female ... and does he wear a tie ... sometimes?
I think it's very much possible, Naruto learns al those jutsu's that mostly only the forth(and Jiraiya) have learned, summoning Gamabunta, Rasengan etc.
tektonik
2004-05-04, 12:12
Maybe naruto's mom died giving birth and his dad died previously(against nine tails or not) so he was a prime candidate for the 4th to seal.
I think Naruto is definately related to the 4th somehow, nothing else could explain his strength, if you look at the genin with non-nin parents most are quite weak in comparison(cept Rock Lee ;)) and if he's even stronger than the heir of uchiha how could that be unless if he has a strong bloodline too. Also I think Jiraiya knows the truth and that is why he choses to become narutos sensei, and also why he keeps teaching him the 4th's stuff.
Sooo Hunter what do you think? Is the 4th his dad? Also ... is Haku female ... and does he wear a tie ... sometimes?
I already explain why it's very obvious that Jiraiya is Naruto's father and Oro-chan his mother.
I think Naruto is definately related to the 4th somehow, nothing else could explain his strength
lol yeah true, what does people think?
That Naruto has a demon inside him or something?
I left out mentioning the kyubi since they say Narutos potential is as great or greater than Sasukes even without it, now give me a good argument for why he shouldn't be related to the 4th and maybe i'll re-evaluate my theories or on second thought, don't I probably wont change my mind until the manga says otherwise.
Nevertheless, there is always something left to be revealed in tales where the hero is an orphant or missing his background, they always mix up some grand heritage in the end to make it more interesting. This goes even more for these power-up animes..
pathyfinder
2004-05-04, 13:40
Me thinks some of this stuff ought to be in a spoiler tag.
Don't you guys remember what the COC rules say about having open spoilers?
ubdevoid
2004-05-04, 14:26
After 81 episodes you still don't think Naruto's dad is the fourth? You all need to go watch it again. Jesus, its so obvious.
I allways assumed that naruto was the 4th's son. I mean it's not like there's some random kid spawn point where Lee, Naruto, and everyone else who's parents we haven't seen appear as an infant. Anyway, we KNOW naruto lives on his own, and has never seemed to have any support. I'd figured he's liveing off leftover cash from the 4th....
Think about it. In Naruto, heritage is a very imporant aspect. Just look at the clan system and as well as how Konohomaru is being treated. If Naruto was Yondaime's son, why wouldn't he be told about this?
I allways assumed that naruto was the 4th's son. I mean it's not like there's some random kid spawn point where Lee, Naruto, and everyone else who's parents we haven't seen appear as an infant. Anyway, we KNOW naruto lives on his own, and has never seemed to have any support. I'd figured he's living off leftover cash from the 4th....
I don't think Naruto was the 4th's son. Somehow I just don't think so. We don't know a whole lot about the 4th just yet so it is a possibility. I somehow think that when the 4th used that jutsu to seal the Kyubi there was some kind of altration where the 4th was reborn instead of just killed.
I think there might have been an older topic about this somewhere about Naruto being some kind of incarnation of the 4th...
Anyway, I think that the sealing jutsu took place similarly to how it did in the 3rd's battle with Orochimaru. The seal goes on you and I guess you die. Somehow, through some other means, I think that instead of just dying, the 4th was somehow reborn at the moment he should have died (or, you know, just appeared there) with Kyubi still bound to his soul, sealed inside him.
I'm not sure how the whole "getting money" system actually works in the Naruto world but it's possible that he was given whatever he needed to live as he grew up, either from whatever the 4th possesed or just some system set up by the elders in Konoha.
Off topic but....
I think it's strange how they never mention who cared for Naruto as a baby or very young child. In the first opening theme they show a rather young child watching the others play, standing alone in crowds and such. I'm sure more of this was done for effect beacuse I doubt a very young child never had anyone to care for him.
Like, babies don't look for food or clean themselves. Someone must have.
For example Gaara had his aunt.
I'm guessing he was initialy in some sort of orphanage then moved out.
Lavilainepieuvre
2004-05-04, 15:23
One thing is sure, if Naruto knew that the 4th was his dad, he would have braged about it. When Neji did his little speech about him being a genius, coming from a strong bloodline, I'm sure Naruto would have been happy to state that he was an hokage's son.
Surely, if the 4th is Naruto's father, Naruto ins't aware of that fact.
But does Naruto know who his parents are?
Why wouldn't he know who is parents are. Even if they died while he was still a baby, surely someone would have told him about his parents.
Still, when Naruto has reminiscence about his youth, about the time when he was alone, never did he have a thought for his parents. If Naruto knew what happened to his parents, it is likely that he would have thought about them, and therefore the manga/anime would have shown some flashbacks of them.
That makes me think that Naruto is unaware of who his parents are. Many hypothesis could explain such a mystery. 1) He was abandonned at birth and no one knew his parents. 2-3-4-5...) There is a reason for not revealing to Naruto who is parents are.
One of the reason could be that his father is the fourth. But why make such a mystery about it?
One thing is sure, the creator of Naruto wants it to be a mystery.
Or maybe, the resemblance between the two is based on the fact that when the demon-fox was sealed in Naruto, the soul of the fourth was also sealed in Naruto. When Naruto grew up, his physical development was influenced by the seal (he has the hair of the 4th and the whiskers of kyubi)
EDIT : Sorry, Gpooj. We somehow thought of the same thing at about the same time. I should have checked if someone had posted when I was writing. I guess that's what happen when you do more than one thing at a time.
Dont know if anybody has mentioned this before, but it could be possible that he is like the reincarnate of the 4th in some way. After all when Sarutobi uses that sealing jutsu on Oro, he gets the swirly seal thing on HIS stomach. Why would the 4th bother putting it into a childs stomach? It doesnt make sense, just like sarutobi, he could have sealed the demon within his own stomach, then when he dies the demon goes too, which obviously is what sarutobi was planning to do to Oro.
Chin1683
2004-05-04, 17:37
If he is in fact the son of the fourth or a relative of his dont you think more people would comment on how he looks like him when they come in contact with him
Lone Wolf
2004-05-04, 18:02
Surely, if the 4th is Naruto's father, Naruto ins't aware of that fact.
...
Why wouldn't he know who is parents are. Even if they died while he was still a baby, surely someone would have told him about his parents.
NO ONE would even talk to him, because he had the fox in him. hell, in the first episode, Naruto didn't even know he had the fox. Remember, Iruka Sensei was the first person to treat him like a human. Also in the first ep. it shows Naruto with the seal as an infant, which means his parents died before he was old enough to remember them.
lonewolf
Lone Wolf
2004-05-04, 20:01
how close do they look alike? lets see...
4th:
http://www.greyskydesigns.com/naruto/4th.thumb.jpg (http://www.greyskydesigns.com/naruto/4th.jpg)
7th??:
http://www.greyskydesigns.com/naruto/6th.thumb.jpg (http://www.greyskydesigns.com/naruto/6th.jpg)
(click for bigger pics)
lonewolf
Dont know if anybody has mentioned this before, but it could be possible that he is like the reincarnate of the 4th in some way. After all when Sarutobi uses that sealing jutsu on Oro, he gets the swirly seal thing on HIS stomach. Why would the 4th bother putting it into a childs stomach? It doesnt make sense, just like sarutobi, he could have sealed the demon within his own stomach, then when he dies the demon goes too, which obviously is what sarutobi was planning to do to Oro.
Actually, I most recently mentioned that.
Look two posts above yours.
In it you'll find what I thought and why I found that Naruto as an reincarnation of the 4th seems plausable.
Chin1683
2004-05-05, 00:16
ya but if he was a reincarnation of the 4th then wouldnt everyone be extremely grateful to him, they wouldnt look down on him like they did when he was a kid
ya but if he was a reincarnation of the 4th then wouldnt everyone be extremely grateful to him, they wouldnt look down on him like they did when he was a kid
If you listen carefully, everyone was suppose to be greatful to Naruto for having Kyubi inside of him, but they weren't. Why? Because of Kyubi, Konoha was destroyed, endless families were killed etc etc. That's why they look down on him. They see Naruto AS Kyubi, the demon that killed and slaughtered, and not as Naruto, the child that houses Kyubi, who "saved" the village.
I also think the reason people won't tell Naruto that he is the 4th, or he's the fourth's son, is because they don't want to "ruin" the 4th's name, by telling Kyubi that hey your father was the 4th.
Lazy Shikamaru
2004-05-05, 01:36
He's not the reincarnation of the fourth. The jutsu requires that you seal the victim in that moment. How can the fourth be alive with his reincarnation there, ready for the seal?
at best, he's related to the fourth.
DarkAngelZ28
2004-05-05, 04:55
The reincarnation theory sounds plausible. I mean in the whole Naruto story the only way we have been shown that the symbol in his stomach is made is like the 3rd did in the fight against Oro. So the 4th had to do that same justu against Kyubi, but since we are working with demons maybe it didn't go as planned. The moment Kyubi went into the 4th body he was supposed to be sealed and the 4th was supposed to die taking Kyubi with him to mingle in battle for eternity. Maybe due to Kyubi's ridiculous regen capabilities it prevented the body from dying and just made it younger and younger till it was just a little boy.
This might explain why he has no parents, why his resemblance to the 4th, why he has been able to master the 4th's previous powers in such short time, why he thinks good strategies on the spot by instinct, why Kyubi is sealed inside him and why he so g'damn much wants to be a Hokage :) Who know's, maybe the 4th's soul is in that dark scary jail beside Kyubi or in another corridor, since Naruto hasn't explored all that place.
It might also explain why they let Naruto live if they knew he had Kyubi inside. All we have been told (well, we implied) is that if Naruto dies, Kyubi dies. So why would Konoha want to keep him alive?
EDIT: The only problem with this theory is that in episode 2 the 3rd Hokage says the 4th sealed Kyubi into a baby that just had his umbilical cord cut off. Still... it might just be more smoke screen if they didnt want the people knowing he was the 4th (dunno, might open a road toward gaining eternal life or something)
Then again, only the creator knows =P
realdeal
2004-05-05, 06:55
Here's a crazy and wild theory, perhaps Naruto is just Naruto and it's just a mere coincidence they look like each other. :P
his character resembles jiriya ... while his looks are like the 4th.. .. maybe they had something in common .. come to think of it, i really hope they will do a little filler towards the end of naruto, i really want to see how does the 4th seals the nine tail fox and how naruto was "born"
The reincarnation theory sounds plausible. I mean in the whole Naruto story the only way we have been shown that the symbol in his stomach is made is like the 3rd did in the fight against Oro. So the 4th had to do that same justu against Kyubi, but since we are working with demons maybe it didn't go as planned. The moment Kyubi went into the 4th body he was supposed to be sealed and the 4th was supposed to die taking Kyubi with him to mingle in battle for eternity. Maybe due to Kyubi's ridiculous regen capabilities it prevented the body from dying and just made it younger and younger till it was just a little boy.
This might explain why he has no parents, why his resemblance to the 4th, why he has been able to master the 4th's previous powers in such short time, why he thinks good strategies on the spot by instinct, why Kyubi is sealed inside him and why he so g'damn much wants to be a Hokage :) Who know's, maybe the 4th's soul is in that dark scary jail beside Kyubi or in another corridor, since Naruto hasn't explored all that place.
It might also explain why they let Naruto live if they knew he had Kyubi inside. All we have been told (well, we implied) is that if Naruto dies, Kyubi dies. So why would Konoha want to keep him alive?
EDIT: The only problem with this theory is that in episode 2 the 3rd Hokage says the 4th sealed Kyubi into a baby that just had his umbilical cord cut off. Still... it might just be more smoke screen if they didnt want the people knowing he was the 4th (dunno, might open a road toward gaining eternal life or something)
Then again, only the creator knows =P
Pretty much the same ideas i was having. I think its definitely possible :)
Narutto Kyuubi
2004-05-05, 19:29
Here is the main reason I think Naruto is the 4th son
Itachi says they are there for the 4th's "Isan" which is a lineage/inheritance/lagacy. If it was the reincarnation of the 4th, then He would have said we've come for the 4th hokage at which time the story would have had a big twist to it. Also, Naruto was originaly a demon monster magic series that the creator decided to scrap but still use naruto cuase the character was very good, and in that naruto was the Kyubi's son that the 3rd was teaching to live with humans and how to use his demon magic. Now we know Naruto isn't kyubi's son in this anime, BUT, He could have changed it to the 4th son.
Also the 4th was a master ninja, he had this raw talent the he refined very fast and had great strenght. BTW the 4th created the Rasengan technigue not jiraiya as I read someone post in much earlier pages somewhere. Also the 4th created the seal technigue that put kyubi inside naruto, cuase the 3rd said that the 4th told him about this jutsu and since was a scholar of konoha jutsu long before the 4th was hokage that means he must have developed it in order for him to be able to teach it to the 3rd.
Next point, THE HAIR, every seems to think that is an artistic coincidence to easily, NObody, NOT one has yellow hair that I can remeber besides the 4th.
In th manga they state that the 3rd Hokage had the job of watching over Naruto, also the 3rd had Kakashi watch over Naruto as his jounin.
here is my Theory on what is going down
Kyubi attacked konoha, maybe it was not a random attack, maybe it was sent there by someone, and we find this out later in a few arcs of story. I think there has been one person old now, Try to take over the entire ninja world, the leader of "atakishi" or whatever Itachi's group is. There were 10 of them and then Orochimaru "escaped", he didnt leave cuase he said that he escaped whcih mean they were strong enough to kill him if they wanted to and wouldn't let him quit so he had to "escape". And Itachi said that he was sent by the higher echelons of this group to get the kyubi. Maybe the 4th knows of the leader (who may not have been the leader of this group at that time) and they just havent talked about that part yet. Also they never say if the 4th was amrried or single or what happened to her, and there is no lady alive claiming to be the gf, widow of the 4th.
I believe the 4th didnt take the kyubi with him but instead gave it to his son, who may or may not be an orphane, naruto becuase he wanted naruto to grow up to be able to 1. protect konoha like he had by keeping the nie tails sealed and using the nine tails to both protect himself and others from all the dangers that were going to face konoha very soon.
PerniciousJuJu
2004-05-11, 16:58
ahh.. I don't know if this is a spoiler but just to be safe I'll put spoiler tags on it..
I remember hearing Jaraiya saying "Sorry, 4th, don't take it personally" when he was trying to teach Naruto how to summon that big weird frog and the only way he can do that is if he's in a life or death situation.
so that's why I believe that the 4th hokage is Naruto's Daddy!! and I agree with the person above me too ^_^
wb_hicks
2004-05-11, 17:11
ahh.. I don't know if this is a spoiler but just to be safe I'll put spoiler tags on it..
I remember hearing Jaraiya saying "Sorry, 4th, don't take it personally" when he was trying to teach Naruto how to summon that big weird frog and the only way he can do that is if he's in a life or death situation.
so that's why I believe that the 4th hokage is Naruto's Daddy!! and I agree with the person above me too ^_^
that an the fact that naruto is learning more and more of his jutsu. like the majority of the characters have family jutsu their main jutsu are family relate yet naruto is learnign more and more of the 4th jutsu. right now they summon the same summons and the resangen which only him jaraiya and 4th can do. and that part makes me wonder if its a bloodline thing because naruto isnt of a bloodlimit yet its a power jutsu that strong people know aobut and is sucked that naruto can do it
Naruto714
2004-05-11, 17:41
I believe he was his father b/c look at this.
IMAGINARY CONVO
The 4th: Hi, can I seal a demon inside your baby and let him be shunned by the entire village
Parent: YOU CAN SHOVE THE DEMON UP YOUR @$$ BEFORE YOU TOUCH MY BABY
END IMAGINARY CONVO
Now if it was his son there wouldn't be that problem
And they look alike so yea....
Hyuuga Neji
2004-05-11, 21:48
that should go in the "what a character would never say" its funny, and I fully agree with Narutto Kyuubi on why I think there related
JOJOS'STAR
2004-06-08, 18:57
This will never end..
Lol 7 pages on this!! :heh: Sorry I just couldn't stop myself even after the 10th time the subject is brought again..
ahh.. I don't know if this is a spoiler but just to be safe I'll put spoiler tags on it..
I remember hearing Jaraiya saying "Sorry, 4th, don't take it personally" when he was trying to teach Naruto how to summon that big weird frog and the only way he can do that is if he's in a life or death situation.
so that's why I believe that the 4th hokage is Naruto's Daddy!! and I agree with the person above me too ^_^
I don't remember hearing Jiraiya saying that but if your theory is correct wouldn't someone already have told him that his father was the fourth. I see no reason why they wouldn't tell him. It wouldn't hurt if he known, maybe it might even made his life easier instead of only being known as the boy who has the demon fox sealed inside of him. I still stick with my theory that Naruto is the fourth reborn again.
Bronwen Stx
2004-06-08, 21:57
Here's a crazy and wild theory, perhaps Naruto is just Naruto and it's just a mere coincidence they look like each other. :P
Unfortunately, when it comes down to this and how many things are still unanswered...I don't believe in coincidence.
Yondaime
2004-06-09, 00:22
How can Naruto be the 4th lol Considering he was born before Yondaime sealed the Nine Tails, and considering the Nine Tails was sealed into the newbon baby so how would Yondaime seal Yondaime into his newborn self when he was an adult. Anyways I'm going for the cliche yet popular Yondaime being Naruto's Dad :D
- Yondaime
Anko Plushy
2004-06-09, 11:32
The fourth is my adoptive brother and I'm Naruto's Aunt! ^_^ That is in my fanfic The Forbidden Ones
So hell yeah Naruto is Yondaime's son and most likely The Uzumaki Clan (if there once was) was able to do the Rasengan and thus Jiraiya is also related! ^_^
BigIdiot
2004-06-29, 00:45
you gotta be dumb not to know already naruto is 4th's son.
oh and wtf is up with that sig of tsunade and her assistant, are they lesbians? sorry i havn't read all of the manga. that would be awesome tho.
you gotta be dumb not to know already naruto is 4th's son.
So I'm dumb because I believe Naruto is the fouth. Well sorry If I don't read the manga or don't pay attention to every stinking detail. So maybe Naruto is his son or maybe not. The truth is that we don't know yet it hasn't been fully explained in the anime or manga. It's a possibility that we all could be wrong.
oh and wtf is up with that sig of tsunade and her assistant, are they lesbians? sorry i havn't read all of the manga. that would be awesome tho.
To my knowledge they aren't lesbians :heh:. Please keep in mind that Tsunade is as old as Jiraiya and her assistant looks really young.
Narutto Kyuubi
2004-06-29, 03:05
To my knowledge they aren't lesbians . Please keep in mind that Tsunade is as old as Jiraiya and her assistant looks really young.
Are you trying to say that young lesbian girls don't fall for old powerfull women like young strait girls do for old powerfull men? :hmm:
Are you trying to say that young lesbian girls don't fall for old powerfull women like young strait girls do for old powerfull men? :hmm:
Heh i wasnt really serious about that but I would assume most young lesbian girls would get turned off by older women in their 50's & 60's. But hey I wouldn't know since im not a girl and a lesbian. :)
hokagenaruto3
2004-06-29, 08:09
Her loved one was a guy who got killed.
You can't change that way
ninja massacre
2004-07-01, 10:37
I can't see anyone else then the 4th to be narutos dad...he sealed the demon inside naruto, why naruto? because he was his father maybe??? and also that he wanted naruto to be protected by the nine-tail and also become a hero...maybe because he wanted his son to take over for him as hokage and protect konoha...
also jiraiya says he's sorry in his mind to the fourth when he put naruto in a life or death situation...and naruto also got the fourths potential and chakra power....(not only naruto has the nine-tails he has a very big normal chakra wich is greater then kakashis) he probablt got it from the fourth...and they look alot alike.
the reason why nobody has told him that the fourth was that the hole thing about the kyuubi was kept as a secret that only the adults in konoha know off.
and one more point... jiraiya talks to kakashi in episode 81 some thing that they have to look over naruto...that was the responsibillity given to them by the fourth
and why have we never been told he's name??...maybe because it's Uzumaki something ;)
venom1221
2004-07-01, 11:26
was the 4th a girl because she looked like one to me with the pink cheeks
I got a good theory...which might even work.
The Uzumaki Clan, they are few but powerfull all of the Uzumaki clan got raw talent and they even got awsome jutsu..
Yondaime is one of them, Naruto is also one of them. Naruto is the son of...the rest is up to you..
notice, they joined recently the leaf...after the 4th died they left without naruto who was "dirty"..
notice, its a noble clan..
BigIdiot
2004-07-01, 12:56
you guys are missing something. tsunade might be 50 but she looks 20's. so that young black haired chick could be her lesbian lover.
venom1221
2004-07-01, 12:56
I got a good theory...which might even work.
The Uzumaki Clan, they are few but powerfull all of the Uzumaki clan got raw talent and they even got awsome jutsu..
Yondaime is one of them, Naruto is also one of them. Naruto is the son of...the rest is up to you..
notice, they joined recently the leaf...after the 4th died they left without naruto who was "dirty"..
notice, its a noble clan..
Edit:nvm found out
ok, so if the fourth is Naruto's father then who is the mother? Tsunade? omg that would be so cool if she was.
SPOILER!!
Tsunade is the Granddaugther of the 1st
As for Shizune.. she's probably her apprentice....
hes inside naruto... when he sealed kyubi he seald his self also...
because when u use that jutsu u both go into the stomach of the summon creature... and it also said that they are to be enemys for enternity (not exact but u get the point) the 4th and kyubi are both in him... he just has his personality.(narutos) with the 4ths chakra and abiltys and looks... he also has kyubis abilty chakra and looks(well when he loses control he looks like him)
well since he was the hokage it would seem easy for him to seal it in some random baby right?.... but why some random baby(wich is why i doubt that) and since everyone feard nine tails i dont think they would let him... cause thier all scared of it and hate naruto... so the 4th would have to be his father.cause his idea, his child, his captured demon... enough said...
ok kids, enough with the discussion. We'll all find out shortly
hes inside naruto... when he sealed kyubi he seald his self also...
because when u use that jutsu u both go into the stomach of the summon creature... and it also said that they are to be enemys for enternity (not exact but u get the point) the 4th and kyubi are both in him... he just has his personality.(narutos) with the 4ths chakra and abiltys and looks... he also has kyubis abilty chakra and looks(well when he loses control he looks like him)
well since he was the hokage it would seem easy for him to seal it in some random baby right?.... but why some random baby(wich is why i doubt that) and since everyone feard nine tails i dont think they would let him... cause thier all scared of it and hate naruto... so the 4th would have to be his father.cause his idea, his child, his captured demon... enough said...
Well IMO Naruto is the 4th. When Sarutobi did the seal the mark went on his stomach, this is why Naruto has it on his stomach as well.
Sure he could have done it on some random baby, but #1 where did he get a baby? #2 why seal it in a baby when you could seal it in yourself then die, ridding EVERYONE of the demon , instead of worrying about it being released again.
My belief is sealing the demon in himself and dieing was his intentions, but something went wrong, reverting him to a baby state. When people found him they assumed it was sealed in a baby by the fourth, and the fourth was nowhere to be found.
Whether it be the Demons healing power that reverted him to a child form, or it being a jutsu backfire, or even an attempt by the fox to keep himself in this world, i think this is the best theory ^^.
I kinda dislike the popular "4th is narutos dad" theory, its just too easy and uncreative. Even my 10 year old brother after watching naruto came up with that theory. Just way too easy and predictable, so i doubt the author will take it that way.
Theres also loopholes like the fact that Naruto should get more respect if he was the son of the fourth, or would be referred to as his son at some point in his 13 years of being alive. Realistically the only way the theory could be true is if nobody knew about the 4th having a son, or even having a wife/GF, because they would kinda notice her being pregnant.
Hyuuga Neji
2004-07-03, 16:14
Well IMO Naruto is the 4th. When Sarutobi did the seal the mark went on his stomach, this is why Naruto has it on his stomach as well.
the seal was diffrent, when Sarutobi did it, the swirl was going in the other way like an australian toilet
http://img77.photobucket.com/albums/v234/darckritual/seal-naruto.gif
Naruto
http://img77.photobucket.com/albums/v234/darckritual/seal-hokage.gifSarutobi
thanks leafninja.com for the images
this is for ppl who believe naruto is the 4th reincarnated. but doesn't the 4th have to die and then naruto is born to b reincarnated? since naruto was alive and the 4th sealed kyubi in naruto i dun think thats possible.. well correct me if im wrong im not really sure about reincarnation juss imo.
the seal was diffrent, when Sarutobi did it, the swirl was going in the other way like an australian toilet
http://www.leafninja.com/images/information/guide/seal-naruto.gif
Naruto
http://www.leafninja.com/images/information/guide/seal-hokage.gif
Sarutobi
thanks leafninja.com for the images
Have no clue what you are talking about, but i checked both seals from the episode when Naruto gets Oros seal removed from him by Jiraiya, and when Saru does the seal and its the same exact seal.... (the swirl on their stomach)
Well IMO Naruto is the 4th. When Sarutobi did the seal the mark went on his stomach, this is why Naruto has it on his stomach as well.
Sure he could have done it on some random baby, but #1 where did he get a baby? #2 why seal it in a baby when you could seal it in yourself then die, ridding EVERYONE of the demon , instead of worrying about it being released again.
My belief is sealing the demon in himself and dieing was his intentions, but something went wrong, reverting him to a baby state. When people found him they assumed it was sealed in a baby by the fourth, and the fourth was nowhere to be found.
Whether it be the Demons healing power that reverted him to a child form, or it being a jutsu backfire, or even an attempt by the fox to keep himself in this world, i think this is the best theory ^^.
I kinda dislike the popular "4th is narutos dad" theory, its just too easy and uncreative. Even my 10 year old brother after watching naruto came up with that theory. Just way too easy and predictable, so i doubt the author will take it that way.
Theres also loopholes like the fact that Naruto should get more respect if he was the son of the fourth, or would be referred to as his son at some point in his 13 years of being alive. Realistically the only way the theory could be true is if nobody knew about the 4th having a son, or even having a wife/GF, because they would kinda notice her being pregnant.
wut u said makes no since..he didnt seal it in his self.. cause he seald it in a baby that just got its cord cut off and he wanted naruto to be known as a hero...
Bah..we'll find out when the time comes so why get mad at each other now for having different beliefs on the topic, pretty stupid if you ask me.
this is for ppl who believe naruto is the 4th reincarnated. but doesn't the 4th have to die and then naruto is born to b reincarnated? since naruto was alive and the 4th sealed kyubi in naruto i dun think thats possible.. well correct me if im wrong im not really sure about reincarnation juss imo.
No clue what you are saying, but the jutsu that was used was clearly stated as the same jutsu that the 3rd used. That means the person is sealed within the body of the jutsu user, how exactly would you seal it into a baby instead, the jutsu user has to hold onto the target so that deaths hands can come out and pull the soul into himself, so how would you get it into a baby instead.
Well anyways, like i stated up there, why put it into a baby to begin with? Why not put it into yourself and die with the creature, intead of leaving it so that it can be unsealed in a baby? Doesnt make sense at all. Seems to make more sense he attempted to seal it in himself and something went wrong, or the demon interfered so he wouldnt die, or perhaps the demon cannot die, so instead the 4th was reborn.
wut u said makes no since..he didnt seal it in his self.. cause he seald it in a baby that just got its cord cut off and he wanted naruto to be known as a hero...
I just re-explained it there, and nobody knows exactly what the 4th wanted, he was supposedly dead before he could say "OH BY THE WAY REMEMBER THIS BABY AS A HERO! OK IM GONNA DIE NOW BYE!". Logically looking at it the third says people should realize him as a hero, as the 4th (or anyone with half a brain) would think the same thing since hes giving his body as a personal prison. However the ignorant people of the village think of him as the fox, for some retarded reason.
BigIdiot
2004-07-05, 13:13
naruto can't be the 4th. "The 4th sealed kyuubi in a new born baby." How could he seal it into a new born baby if he is the baby. that makes no sense.
the baby was alive b4 the jutso. Naruto is the 4th's son!
naruto can't be the 4th. "The 4th sealed kyuubi in a new born baby." How could he seal it into a new born baby if he is the baby. that makes no sense.
the baby was alive b4 the jutso. Naruto is the 4th's son!
OMG if i have to explain this one more time i will explode. Did you even bother reading any of my posts before saying its not possible? Ok READ CARFULLY. WHY would the 4th seal the monster in a baby when he could seal it in himself and die, like with Oro and 3rd (im assuming you CAN remember that fight).
Now ild say the biggest possiblity of my theory is that he TRIED to do the logical thing and die with the monster, however IT DIDNT WORK, either because the monster CANNOT die, so he was reborn with the monster in him, or because of the monsters healing powers (which still has to do with him not dying i suppose). Now of course when people found "Naruto" they would assume he sealed it in a baby, what else could they assume?
Get it?
I kinda dislike the popular "4th is narutos dad" theory, its just too easy and uncreative. Even my 10 year old brother after watching naruto came up with that theory. Just way too easy and predictable, so i doubt the author will take it that way.
Theres also loopholes like the fact that Naruto should get more respect if he was the son of the fourth, or would be referred to as his son at some point in his 13 years of being alive. Realistically the only way the theory could be true is if nobody knew about the 4th having a son, or even having a wife/GF, because they would kinda notice her being pregnant.
Now reply to those loopholes in him being his father or to what i said for real this time, if you want to do some constructive criticism
Nubixkube
2004-07-05, 13:35
Couldn't the fourth have sealed the Kyuubi inside of Naruto instead of inside himself, because the Kyuubi's chakra could have been used as a weapon and he felt that rather than waste the demon's chakra potential by sealing it inside himself; he would instead seal it inside someone else and maybe the only potential canidate would have been a new born baby. By doing this it would enable Naruto to become a weapon or a protector of Konohoa kind of like how Gaara was a weapon of the sand.
Also I feel that the reason why everyone thinks the 4th said to view naruto as a hero, is because he did say it. I'm pretty sure when you march off into battle with a new born baby in your arms, no matter who you are, Hokage or not, you have some explaining to do before you proceed with the plan.
That's the reason why I think he would seal it in a child instead of himself.
If Naruto is the fourth or a reincarnite of the Fourth that would be about as gay as DBGT.
As far as Naruto's relation to the 4th, who knows. They could very well be blood related, but maybe not a father and son relationship. Maybe the 4th is Naruto's brother and their parents died fighting the Kyuubi so the 4th sealed it into Naruto hoping that he would allow the Uzumaki clan to continue to prosper considering he was the last one. But really who the hell knows.
Actually I like that idea. Naruto's father died fighting the Kyuubi and Naruto's mother died during birth. The other Uzumaki clan members if any died during the battle with the Nine tails, leaving the two brothers, the fourth and Naruto (newly born). The fourth realizes that him being the successor to the clan would have to sacrifice his life in order to save the village and his clan. So instead of just dieing and leaving Naruto to learn things on his own, he infused Kyuubi into him in order to give him an advantage in life and hopefully one day reproduce and rebuild the Uzumaki clan.
Couldn't the fourth have sealed the Kyuubi inside of Naruto instead of inside himself, because the Kyuubi's chakra could have been used as a weapon and he felt that rather than waste the demon's chakra potential by sealing it inside himself; he would instead seal it inside someone else and maybe the only potential canidate would have been a new born baby. By doing this it would enable Naruto to become a weapon or a protector of Konohoa kind of like how Gaara was a weapon of the sand.
Also I feel that the reason why everyone thinks the 4th said to view naruto as a hero, is because he did say it. I'm pretty sure when you march off into battle with a new born baby in your arms, no matter who you are, Hokage or not, you have some explaining to do before you proceed with the plan.
That's the reason why I think he would seal it in a child instead of himself.
If Naruto is the fourth or a reincarnite of the Fourth that would be about as gay as DBGT.
As gay as DBGT? Yeah it was gay that Goku was wished into being a kid, but from my theory it isnt just a magical wish. Hardly see how its gay, and would be a lot better than him being his dad, which is would be too easy like i said.
So the 4th comprimised the safety of the village so they can have a super weapon.. still doesnt seem right. The hokages first priority is keeping the village safe, and keeping the demon alive and trying to use it as a weapon doesnt seem like something one should do. Besides if that was the plan, then they would have been trying to teach Naruto to use his power from the beginning rather than scorn him and kick him into a corner.
why don't we all just wait and see eventually they will tell us i think
but:
if he is the 4th's son then why does everibody hate him? don't say; kyuubi coz they would at least treat him with respect if he was the 4th son.
if he is the 4th's reincarnation or yhe 4th himself then
why is he so weak? afterall tsunade said he whas nowhere near the 4th's level
Nubixkube
2004-07-05, 14:05
I edited my post above with a few other ideas, but I do believe that this would be something a Hokage would do. I also don't believe that the Village of Konohoa forces people to be ninjas, they let all the people of Konohoa choose their own path.
Its probably the same reason as Sasuke, even though he was Uchiha, he did not receive any special treatment and for all we know could have been a fisherman if he choose to be.
Also who knows what the 4th knew, maybe he knew about the group Itachi is currently a part of or something even way back then. And maybe it was something worse than the Nine Tails that would potentially threaten Konohoa so he did that to Naruto in order to protect Konohoa.
why is he so weak? afterall tsunade said he whas nowhere near the 4th's level
Well yeah Tsunade did say that in the beginning, but we all know her view has changed dramatically on Naruto after he protected her from Kabuto and mastered the Rasengin. She even told him that he should become a good man and a respectable hokage. I doubt Tsunade would tell a weak person that they should become Hokage one day even though their dream is unattainable. Also I think in the manga it showed Tsunade remembering what she said about Naruto and him trying to learn an impossible technique and Jiraiya encouraging him to follow his dream of becoming Hokage as she was watching him fight Kabuto. I think this was intended to show that while she watched Naruto's fight she had determined his dream was definelty attainable.
why don't we all just wait and see eventually they will tell us i think
but:
if he is the 4th's son then why does everibody hate him? don't say; kyuubi coz they would at least treat him with respect if he was the 4th son.
if he is the 4th's reincarnation or yhe 4th himself then
why is he so weak? afterall tsunade said he whas nowhere near the 4th's level
The 4th wasnt looked down upon, and probably had more important people in his life to push him forward, lets not forget that Naruto did kinda have it rough, and instead of training a lot he pulled pranks to get attention.
Lets face it though, he shouldnt even have been able to pull off that level of a technique (rasengan), after Tsunade sees him do it, shes impressed. They can be the same person, just have lived different lives, therefor their strength is different. Im sure Naruto has the short end of the stick socially compared to his counterpart the 4th like i said anyways ^^
Narutto Kyuubi
2004-07-05, 14:47
Naruto is the definition of a late bloomer, he has made leaps and bounds now that he has important people in his life. At the begining he couldn't even do a proper henge. Now he can do 2000 clones with kagebunshin.
The villagers don't think of naruto as a human being if you pay attention to that part of the story. They only see him as Kyubi. You can't respect someone even a little if you see them as only a evil demon that could start killing people at any time. Only the people who really know naruto give him any respect at all, like the ramen guy.
gangsta905_04
2004-08-18, 01:08
cood it be possible that yondaime is naruto's brother??...cuz sumwhere in the anime it was mentioned that both naruto's parents died fiting the demon fox...and the 4th happened to be strong enuf to seal demon fox into naruto..then he died
cood it be possible that yondaime is naruto's brother??...cuz sumwhere in the anime it was mentioned that both naruto's parents died fiting the demon fox...and the 4th happened to be strong enuf to seal demon fox into naruto..then he died
Heh that's possible I never thought of that.
Naruto can be anything you want...but i doubt that he is de 4th Hokage Son.....
just because if he were the 4th's SOn dont you think evrery one in the village will now?
I mean...cmon is the 4th...and if he had a Son, every one who lived in that moment will have Knonw this
also why keep this matter a secret to the end (in the series?)
i will be a simple answer if in the end Naruto is Yondaime Son......and i willl not uderstand why go to this trouble just to tell us he is hes son....it must be something a lot more complicated.........
Me theroy goes that naruto is the PRoduct OF The Sealing Jutsu...He is Yondaime...and Kyuby, and the seal plays the role of keeping the Kyuby
part of him at bay...
HE has the Hayrdo..and eyes of yondayme..he master a High level techniche that only 3rd and Jirayya can do in one month, as if he had done it before, but had forget it... (also the summone is the same) he has in the Chicks 3 pair of lines that makes him look like a beast...and also have a lot of stamina that must be tied up to the fact that he have the Kyuby chakra.....
The people see Naruto as Kyuubi itself, so they do not acknoledge him. They don't see him as the 4th's son, but as a monster.
hokagenaruto3
2004-08-18, 03:28
Not only Naruto, but the whole series of generations belonging to the Jiraiya group are late bloomers. Jiraiya was considered to have no talent, like Orochimaru said, but he probably had a hidden talent and did the Naruto-thing and became insanely powerfull, most likely stronger than oro, like Naruto surpassed Sasuke.
Anyways, the 4th became incredibly powerfull and managed to succeed the 3th, given the fact that he became Hokage during the 3th's reighn. Being Hokage means that you are the strongest in the village, wich means he surpassed the 3th!!!
Anyways, Jiraiya also said it's no fun to train a prodigy, so the 4th probably wasn't one in the beginning. He had a hidden talent and surpassed even the 3th in the end.
gangsta905_04
2004-08-18, 10:45
another possiblity, jiraiya also looks like the 4th...in a way..possible that jiraiya had a son no1 knew about?....
I think that there is a very coplicated secret there , so it hasn´t been said
If the fourth has some relation with Naruto, but no doubt there is there are
loads of pictures with naruto and the fourth. Like is some kind of weird clue
the author is giving his readers he wants everyone to think they have some kind of relation.
NeoKakashi
2004-08-18, 12:49
*Looks at topic title* No duh....there's NO relation, in my opinion.
gangsta905_04
2004-08-18, 13:08
there are several possiblities...
1. naruto is the reincarnation of the 4th
2. naruto is the 4th's son that no1 never knew about
3.Jiraiya is both naruto's and yondaime father, but never told them..and let them believe that their real parents died fiting the demon fox..thus producing sealin it within naruto...cuz yondaime had no choice...overall makes yondaime and naruto brothers. Uzumaki Naruto...Uzumaki Yondaime...wuts Jiraiya's first part to his name?.
LordFate
2004-08-19, 13:43
Naruto can be anything you want...but i doubt that he is de 4th Hokage Son.....
just because if he were the 4th's SOn dont you think evrery one in the village will now?
I mean...cmon is the 4th...and if he had a Son, every one who lived in that moment will have Knonw this
also why keep this matter a secret to the end (in the series?)
i will be a simple answer if in the end Naruto is Yondaime Son......and i willl not uderstand why go to this trouble just to tell us he is hes son....it must be something a lot more complicated.........
Me theroy goes that naruto is the PRoduct OF The Sealing Jutsu...He is Yondaime...and Kyuby, and the seal plays the role of keeping the Kyuby
part of him at bay...
HE has the Hayrdo..and eyes of yondayme..he master a High level techniche that only 3rd and Jirayya can do in one month, as if he had done it before, but had forget it... (also the summone is the same) he has in the Chicks 3 pair of lines that makes him look like a beast...and also have a lot of stamina that must be tied up to the fact that he have the Kyuby chakra.....
What I find odd is that the 3rd said that he was using the 4ths technique when he took Ochi's arms. Which means that he and Ochi were going to be sealed in the belly of the death god. But then, the demon fox is in Naruto and not the death god. Seems like that needs some clearification. The reason I say this is, what if the 4th is sealed in Naruto too? Would you want to tell a 12 year old kid that his father was trapped inside the kid's body?
Ok, here is my problem with ALL of your theorys. None of it has been written yet. If it had it would be in a Bio or something somewhere. My guess is we will never find out. But, just to prove my point Im gonna borrow some logic from everyone and make my own theory. Naruto is the Death Gods son.... to me that makes as much sence as any of this. Lets go back to the fact that the souls of the enemy get sealed WITHIN the deathgod. Not within the user or third party. Since Im baseing my theory off stuff that is already written I am the most accurate. What if when the 4th summoned the death god he was tierd and couldnt summon the big dog. Just like Naruto cant always summon Gambunta(sp?) That would explain why the demon is inside the boy, and not inside the death god. Now maybe the 4th was pulled in also. Maybe the 4th effected the growth of what might have become the next death god. So that instead of the Death son going back into the dark place from which he was summoned. The 4ths soul kept him here. Not necessarily on purpose. Maybe Naruto isnt even real at all. Maybe its all just a dream and at the end of the anime someone is just going to wake up and its going to be over. My point is. You dont know. I dont know. I doubt the writers have even decided fully the entire back story of every character. What about Jiraya? What of his parents? Doesnt Naruto and Jiraya act and look similar too? Maybe Naruto is Jirayas brother.... Man the mind just goes on forever on this one.
Ok, here is my problem with ALL of your theorys. None of it has been written yet. If it had it would be in a Bio or something somewhere. My guess is we will never find out. But, just to prove my point Im gonna borrow some logic from everyone and make my own theory. Naruto is the Death Gods son.... to me that makes as much sence as any of this. Lets go back to the fact that the souls of the enemy get sealed WITHIN the deathgod. Not within the user or third party. Since Im baseing my theory off stuff that is already written I am the most accurate. What if when the 4th summoned the death god he was tierd and couldnt summon the big dog. Just like Naruto cant always summon Gambunta(sp?) That would explain why the demon is inside the boy, and not inside the death god. Now maybe the 4th was pulled in also. Maybe the 4th effected the growth of what might have become the next death god. So that instead of the Death son going back into the dark place from which he was summoned. The 4ths soul kept him here. Not necessarily on purpose. Maybe Naruto isnt even real at all. Maybe its all just a dream and at the end of the anime someone is just going to wake up and its going to be over. My point is. You dont know. I dont know. I doubt the writers have even decided fully the entire back story of every character. What about Jiraya? What of his parents? Doesnt Naruto and Jiraya act and look similar too? Maybe Naruto is Jirayas brother.... Man the mind just goes on forever on this one.
The souls aren't sealed within the death god, they are given to him and he eats them. Also Naruto is was a newborn baby at the time, he doesnt look like the death god either?lol, and whos the death god's wife?death goddess?
He does look like Jiraiya, but i doubt hes the brother. This will question will prob be revealed in the last 3 manga chapters or something.
The souls aren't sealed within the death god, they are given to him and he eats them. Also Naruto is was a newborn baby at the time, he doesnt look like the death god either?lol, and whos the death god's wife?death goddess?
He does look like Jiraiya, but i doubt hes the brother. This will question will prob be revealed in the last 3 manga chapters or something.
Honestly man... I was TRYING to think of the most insane theory I could right off the top of my head that was loosly based off the facts. I do not in anyway believe either of my theorys. I just thought it was silly to argue over somthing like this. I just find it amusing how heated these otaku are getting about something they will never be able to prove.
i've posted this idea long long ago, may be someone else had the same theory posted previously in this thread, i am too lazy to read through all million pages, so here is my theory: what if Naruto is the 4th, looks very similar, sealing mark (only appears on the person who performed the Sealing Jutsu), may be somehow he used a techninque to regenerate his soul but using his age, thous becoming a baby again and having a new soul...
any thoughts on that one?
Honestly man... I was TRYING to think of the most insane theory I could right off the top of my head that was loosly based off the facts. I do not in anyway believe either of my theorys. I just thought it was silly to argue over somthing like this. I just find it amusing how heated these otaku are getting about something they will never be able to prove.
ya thought it was pretty bizaar :P
Ok, here is my problem with ALL of your theorys. None of it has been written yet. If it had it would be in a Bio or something somewhere. My guess is we will never find out. But, just to prove my point Im gonna borrow some logic from everyone and make my own theory. Naruto is the Death Gods son.... to me that makes as much sence as any of this. Lets go back to the fact that the souls of the enemy get sealed WITHIN the deathgod. Not within the user or third party. Since Im baseing my theory off stuff that is already written I am the most accurate. What if when the 4th summoned the death god he was tierd and couldnt summon the big dog. Just like Naruto cant always summon Gambunta(sp?) That would explain why the demon is inside the boy, and not inside the death god. Now maybe the 4th was pulled in also. Maybe the 4th effected the growth of what might have become the next death god. So that instead of the Death son going back into the dark place from which he was summoned. The 4ths soul kept him here. Not necessarily on purpose. Maybe Naruto isnt even real at all. Maybe its all just a dream and at the end of the anime someone is just going to wake up and its going to be over. My point is. You dont know. I dont know. I doubt the writers have even decided fully the entire back story of every character. What about Jiraya? What of his parents? Doesnt Naruto and Jiraya act and look similar too? Maybe Naruto is Jirayas brother.... Man the mind just goes on forever on this one.
Well if you take away the theory threads, you might as well take away the vs threads too.
Seriously, its a forum, its here so we can discuss things like this. If you dont like this kind of stuff, then you wont like 70% of the discussions in this forum. Take that away and you are left with favorite character threads, and other random threads.
gangsta905_04
2004-08-19, 19:42
well...is it possible to revert your body to a baby's state....well...if the 4th did do that...that wood mean, most of the elders wood kno its him...but like...no1 sed nething like *hey its yondaime in baby form!*..also...if he had the soul within him...he woodnt act like a show off and get attention...but its possible...like...think bout it...naruto does have the potential to become hokage...he looks a bit like the 4th...but we dunno why yondaime became the 4th...sure..naruto mastered the rasengan...but he needs two hands...one to hold the ball, the other to excite it....while we assume yondaime onli needed one....it's still possible tho...ur theory...cuz it makes a little sense...but we'll find out eventually
Well if you take away the theory threads, you might as well take away the vs threads too.
Seriously, its a forum, its here so we can discuss things like this. If you dont like this kind of stuff, then you wont like 70% of the discussions in this forum. Take that away and you are left with favorite character threads, and other random threads.Now to my deffense I never said I didnt like these threads. I said I didnt understand how people were getting so upset about them. I dont remember who it was I was reading earlier on this thread, but they were taking this all too seriously and saying people were wrong and that there was no way that they were right. That is just stupid. People that have such closed minds shouldnt participate in these things. It just doesnt work. The whole idea behind a theory is that it hasnt been proven. Not that it has or might be or that it is impossible. I was just laughing at the people that were as arrogant to think that there was no way they could be wrong based off this and this... and that anything that contradicted THEIR THEORY was wrong.
Edit... thats right! That person that I was reading that is taking this WAY too seriously is YOU... calm down man. Your wrong. The same as everyone else. Untill this thing is through. You know nothing more than anyone else on this thread. You really shouldnt be going around and putting down others idea. I know your not the only one. If I remember correctly some low IQ called you gay. Or your theory. That person, I believe you know more than. Just based off the fact they called anything gay. I mean c'mon kiddies. Gay... Im betting he was like 12. Oh well, Im done with this. I didnt mean to piss ANYONE off. I will sprinkle some prozac over the thread on my way out so everyone can just chill and just ponder the many posibilities of the Naruto universe in peace.
LordFate
2004-08-20, 12:33
Ok, here is my problem with ALL of your theorys. None of it has been written yet. If it had it would be in a Bio or something somewhere. My guess is we will never find out. But, just to prove my point Im gonna borrow some logic from everyone and make my own theory. Naruto is the Death Gods son.... to me that makes as much sence as any of this. Lets go back to the fact that the souls of the enemy get sealed WITHIN the deathgod. Not within the user or third party. Since Im baseing my theory off stuff that is already written I am the most accurate. What if when the 4th summoned the death god he was tierd and couldnt summon the big dog. Just like Naruto cant always summon Gambunta(sp?) That would explain why the demon is inside the boy, and not inside the death god. Now maybe the 4th was pulled in also. Maybe the 4th effected the growth of what might have become the next death god. So that instead of the Death son going back into the dark place from which he was summoned. The 4ths soul kept him here. Not necessarily on purpose. Maybe Naruto isnt even real at all. Maybe its all just a dream and at the end of the anime someone is just going to wake up and its going to be over. My point is. You dont know. I dont know. I doubt the writers have even decided fully the entire back story of every character. What about Jiraya? What of his parents? Doesnt Naruto and Jiraya act and look similar too? Maybe Naruto is Jirayas brother.... Man the mind just goes on forever on this one. :stupid: This is the best theory I've heard yet! Good job! :heh:
Now to my deffense I never said I didnt like these threads. I said I didnt understand how people were getting so upset about them. I dont remember who it was I was reading earlier on this thread, but they were taking this all too seriously and saying people were wrong and that there was no way that they were right. That is just stupid. People that have such closed minds shouldnt participate in these things. It just doesnt work. The whole idea behind a theory is that it hasnt been proven. Not that it has or might be or that it is impossible. I was just laughing at the people that were as arrogant to think that there was no way they could be wrong based off this and this... and that anything that contradicted THEIR THEORY was wrong.
Edit... thats right! That person that I was reading that is taking this WAY too seriously is YOU... calm down man. Your wrong. The same as everyone else. Untill this thing is through. You know nothing more than anyone else on this thread. You really shouldnt be going around and putting down others idea. I know your not the only one. If I remember correctly some low IQ called you gay. Or your theory. That person, I believe you know more than. Just based off the fact they called anything gay. I mean c'mon kiddies. Gay... Im betting he was like 12. Oh well, Im done with this. I didnt mean to piss ANYONE off. I will sprinkle some prozac over the thread on my way out so everyone can just chill and just ponder the many posibilities of the Naruto universe in peace.
Theories can be wrong if they contradict facts in the story thus far. When we find the truth out about Naruto, it will not contradict the facts in the story so far. It will fit together nicely.
Also i never said anyone was wrong, i discussed why i thought it was wrong, thats about it. The only time i got mildly annoyed by people, is because i had to explain it again, its like they didnt even read my theory. I posted facts stating why it could be true, then they are like "no bcuz naruto wuz seeled in teh babi" :heh:
I also never said i was right, im always adjusting my own theory, and overall its mostly a theory ild like to see happen the most, not what will happen. The 4th being Naruto's dad is one ild like to see the least. Im sure the author will surprise us though, so thats why i dont think it will be the Naruto's dad theory.
Theories can be wrong if they contradict facts in the story thus far. When we find the truth out about Naruto, it will not contradict the facts in the story so far. It will fit together nicely.
Also i never said anyone was wrong, i discussed why i thought it was wrong, thats about it. The only time i got mildly annoyed by people, is because i had to explain it again, its like they didnt even read my theory. I posted facts stating why it could be true, then they are like "no bcuz naruto wuz seeled in teh babi" :heh:
I also never said i was right, im always adjusting my own theory, and overall its mostly a theory ild like to see happen the most, not what will happen. The 4th being Naruto's dad is one ild like to see the least. Im sure the author will surprise us though, so thats why i dont think it will be the Naruto's dad theory.
Fine. Topic discussed and beaten to death.
*Smoke Cloud*......
*Vanish*
gangsta905_04
2004-08-21, 01:09
there are endless possibilities...like..there was sumthin bout asuma being related to the 3rd and konohomaru..the 3rd becuz..almost same hairstyle..and same statz almost
when they reviel the fourth´s past is when you will know that he is either narutos dad or that naruto is him reborn or any other stuff like that. at least i am sure naruto ha somthing to do with th fourth.
evil_edea
2004-08-21, 05:15
Out of all the theories, mine's actually backed by the manga!!! :uhoh:
Well, actually, just volume 1 in English. I'm not gonna consider this a spoiler asit's written on the first two pages. If I may quote:
"Once upon a time, there lived a fox spirit.... [blah, blah, wreaked havoc]
The suffering people gathered the great shinobi clans to fight this menace. finally, risking his life, one ninja was able to imprison its soul.
Having defeated the demon, the brave shinobi died.
That shinobi was the fourth hokage, the fire shadow, champion of the village hidden in the leaves..."
[AND THEN CONTINUED ON THE NEXT PAGE...]
"Uzumaki Naruto!!!"
Ok, so it's a bit far-fetched, but it practically tells you that the fourth is Naruto. And it makes sense, too, as supposedly the demon god technique thingy only allows you to seal it inside yourself. I'm guessing to make it completely make sense, there would have to be time travel and stuff, but it's possible, right? If ninjas are able to use random jutsus to pull matter out of a smokescreen, it's only natural that they'd be able to create a time portal...
Also, I want to add the point that Naruto has no family. If he ever had one, he would be a respectable son, albeit with a demon inside of him and probably would have ended up somewhat like Gaara.
What do you think?
BTW, Asuma's name is Sarutobi and he has the same nose as the Sandaime's statue. Look at it.
gangsta905_04
2004-08-21, 13:13
so asuma is related to the 3rd...hmmm quite interesting...
Sarutobi is the first name of the 3rd but the last name of Asuma, they're not from the same familly.
gangsta905_04
2004-08-21, 15:05
hmmmm...thats all weird to me..neways this thread is about the 3rd and naruto..nemore theories ne1?..hmmm..lookin at jiraiya's pic and yondaime..they look alike...mind you the hair...jus exclude the hair color
treetrall-sama
2004-08-21, 16:35
Hey.. guys have you noticed that Naruto has yellow hair ?.
Seriosly, everyone that have watched the anime have recognized this...
I said it before but I asked to Kishimoto the mangaka of Naruto and he explained to me in a Guatemaltec forum that the 4th is the father of Jiraiya thanks to his secret time-travel kinjutsu.
Naruto is the grandson of the 4th and Tsunade of course, that's why she always refused to sleep with Jiraiya, she was in fact his young secret mother.
It's also quite obvious that the 3rd was Oro's father, that's why he let him flee in the past.
And the biggest secret was that Jiraiya knocked up Oro-chan when they were both drunk and the result of this awful act of drunken lust and love was Naruto!
He's the heir of all the Hokage and the Sannin and that's why he will be the next Hokage, that's fullproof!
I said it before but I asked to Kishimoto the mangaka of Naruto and he explained to me in a Guatemaltec forum that the 4th is the father of Jiraiya thanks to his secret time-travel kinjutsu.
Naruto is the grandson of the 4th and Tsunade of course, that's why she always refused to sleep with Jiraiya, she was in fact his young secret mother.
It's also quite obvious that the 3rd was Oro's father, that's why he let him flee in the past.
And the biggest secret was that Jiraiya knocked up Oro-chan when they were both drunk and the result of this awful act of drunken lust and love was Naruto!
He's the heir of all the Hokage and the Sannin and that's why he will be the next Hokage, that's fullproof!
Bold and the beautiful, anyone? :D
gangsta905_04
2004-08-21, 17:22
naruto has become a soap-opera..LOL..XD
LordCook
2004-08-30, 02:14
Kind of off topic, but did I miss something or do they never mention the 4th's name?
NoSanninWa
2004-08-30, 02:22
Kind of off topic, but did I miss something or do they never mention the 4th's name?
Amazingly you missed nothing. He is called Yondaime which is Japanese for "Fourth" and that is the only name ever mentioned for him.
I said it before but I asked to Kishimoto the mangaka of Naruto and he explained to me in a Guatemaltec forum that the 4th is the father of Jiraiya thanks to his secret time-travel kinjutsu.
Naruto is the grandson of the 4th and Tsunade of course, that's why she always refused to sleep with Jiraiya, she was in fact his young secret mother.
It's also quite obvious that the 3rd was Oro's father, that's why he let him flee in the past.
And the biggest secret was that Jiraiya knocked up Oro-chan when they were both drunk and the result of this awful act of drunken lust and love was Naruto!
He's the heir of all the Hokage and the Sannin and that's why he will be the next Hokage, that's fullproof!
haha awesome, it must be true :twitch:
This is to Dauthi. I've been reading and you come up a lot. So, I'm sorry to say but your way is to logical. It doesn’t fit the story line. The whole idea of Naruto being this 4th's son makes it sad and if it ever reveled. It’ll put all the villagers of Konaha into there resectable hellholes. But hey that's just me.
Jetthi
Naruto was probably some random baby that got the nine demon fox AND the 4th's soul sealed in him. Due to the influence of the 4th's soul within, naruto grows up to be similar to the 4th. As he grows, he gains more and more of the 4th's inate talent which explains why he is improving so quickly.....
Srin Tuar
2004-12-24, 00:48
Amazingly you missed nothing. He is called Yondaime which is Japanese for "Fourth" and that is the only name ever mentioned for him.
It makes you wonder if "uzumaki" is Naruto's real family name, or its just an alias he's been living under to hide his true family origins.
If you think about it, everyone else in the whole show has fairly normal realistic names. Naruto is the only one who's name is a total joke.
I think the reason is clearly that some konoha ninja want to hide naruto's true family line not only from himself but from the rest of the village and outsiders. (For his own sake I bet. Yondaime was so famous that many ninja would target his son if they knew he existed, because he would represent a threat. The only way to keep the information from leaking is to deceive the entire village) Perhaps once he reaches a more adult age, Iruka or Jiraiya will tell him who he really is. I also doubt that the fourth's family name was 'Uzumaki", because it would then be all too clear where naruto came from.
My bets are on him being son/nephew/relative of the fourth, its the only explanation that makes any sense to me. I also bet that Godaime knows his true identity. The way she compared Naruto to Yondaime when speaking with Jiraiya was classic adult-speak, talking over Naruto's head so he wouldn't understand. Her words sounded to me just like the way you might compare a son to his father.
BigNarutoFan
2004-12-24, 03:38
http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload4/fourthslegacy.JPG
YondaimeX
2004-12-24, 03:53
The only two characters with blonde hair & blue eyes.
Colordevil
2004-12-24, 07:03
Why form stupid theories if the Gaiken will (hopefully) explain all this?
BigNarutoFan
2004-12-24, 14:37
Why form stupid theories if the Gaiken will (hopefully) explain all this?
Saying that making theories is stupid when you dont know the answer yourself is stupid in itself.
BigNarutoFan
2004-12-24, 14:44
http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload4/fourthslegacy.JPG
same face, same everything imo
Consider this: It could be just an excuse to extend the suspense.
Ever read "Jurassic Park"? All through the novel, Dr. Grant keeps hinting at something about the frog DNA being used to recreate the dinosaurs, but he never tells anybody just what it is. Even when asked what he's talking about, he remains vague. It isn't until the end of the novel that he finally says what's really on his mind.
Now, why did Michael Crichton make Grant remain so mysterious about what he meant when he could have just come right out and said it from the get-go? No reason other than to keep the audience hooked.
Then again, I might just be an indecisive prick. :)
Yondaime
2004-12-24, 18:09
Here are some more comparison pics I made in the argument for a Yondaime/Naruto relationship/similarities :D
http://www.amaranetwork.net/philemon/Naruto%20&%20Yondaime%20Comparison%2001.jpg
http://www.amaranetwork.net/philemon/Naruto%20&%20Yondaime%20Comparison%2002.jpg
http://www.amaranetwork.net/philemon/Naruto%20&%20Yondaime%20Comparison%2003.jpg
http://www.amaranetwork.net/philemon/Naruto%20&%20Yondaime%20Comparison%2004.jpg
Let me know what you think. I myself believe the physical similarities as well as the personality similarities (to a degree) are definitely evident ;)
- Yondaime
The only two characters with blonde hair & blue eyes.
Except for Ino and Temari. SO they must be related to Naruto, too, huh?
Anyway, I figure Yondaime and Naruto are probably father and son. Do I think it's stupid? Hell yeah, but I hate it when things like that work out in tidy little packages. Your mileage may vary.
The only two characters with blonde hair & blue eyes.
:):) Smile :):)
gangsta905_04
2004-12-24, 22:34
judgin by those comparison pics..SUM1 HASNT BEEN USING SPOILER TAGS...but neways...hmm it seems pretty obvious that Naruto and Yondaime are related in some way...reincarnation..possibility; father son, possibility; yondaime with kyuubi in him...possibility...
how bout we jus wait until the anime decides to show us what relation naruto nd yondaime hv..bcuz NO1 has the answers...besides God..
Hisoka??
2004-12-25, 03:09
you guys are all wrong its obvious that naruto is the love child of the 4th and jiraiya( yeah they were having a teacher-student relationship)
they loved each other so much that they wanted a child and thus the 4th used sexy no jutsu and become female to be pregenant and get a child thus the 4th is naruto's mom not dad :)
thats why naruto looks so much liek the 4th and has the character of jiraiya.
thats why no one knows about naruto's heritage, because gays are not accepted and thus they kept it extremely low profile
you guys are all wrong its obvious that naruto is the love child of the 4th and jiraiya( yeah they were having a teacher-student relationship)
they loved each other so much that they wanted a child and thus the 4th used sexy no jutsu and become female to be pregenant and get a child thus the 4th is naruto's mom not dad :)
thats why naruto looks so much liek the 4th and has the character of jiraiya.
thats why no one knows about naruto's heritage, because gays are not accepted and thus they kept it extremely low profile
ban this idiot please
mindspank
2004-12-25, 03:47
I said it before but I asked to Kishimoto the mangaka of Naruto and he explained to me in a Guatemaltec forum that the 4th is the father of Jiraiya thanks to his secret time-travel kinjutsu.
Naruto is the grandson of the 4th and Tsunade of course, that's why she always refused to sleep with Jiraiya, she was in fact his young secret mother.
It's also quite obvious that the 3rd was Oro's father, that's why he let him flee in the past.
And the biggest secret was that Jiraiya knocked up Oro-chan when they were both drunk and the result of this awful act of drunken lust and love was Naruto!
He's the heir of all the Hokage and the Sannin and that's why he will be the next Hokage, that's fullproof!
I assume you were just making fun out of the thread?
mindspank
2004-12-25, 03:49
Saying that a theory is stupid when you dont know the answer yourself is stupid in itself.
A theory might not be grounded in any facts just pure speculation, this was the case here and he pointed that out. Definately not stupid, you're stupid.
BigNarutoFan
2004-12-25, 13:43
A theory might not be grounded in any facts just pure speculation, this was the case here and he pointed that out. Definately not stupid, you're stupid.
He was saying that making theories is stupid. Now join him in the stupid corner. :fingers:
this is how i ment to reply
Why form stupid theories if the Gaiken will (hopefully) explain all this?
Saying that making theories is stupid when you dont know the answer yourself is stupid in itself.
mindspank
2004-12-27, 09:35
He was saying that making theories is stupid. Now join him in the stupid corner. :fingers:
...
No he did not. Try improving your reading skills.
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-03-17, 18:23
I dunno, the 4th was pretty good looking.
I dunno, the 4th was pretty good looking.
The demonic chakra made him look slightly different in appearance.
nah, i believe naruto is either the 4th's son or the 4th's nephew.
how many ppl have u seen that has messy spikey yellow hair and blue eyes.......
sure the yamanakas have yellow hair and blue eyes, but obviously they are not related to the fourth, or u'll see ino being referred as ino-sama, with respect to the 4th.
temari..are u gonna say that the 4th was from suna and is temari's mother's bro..?
relation to tsunade? she could be his grandaunt or smthg.......
im convinced jiraiya is kakashi's uncle. we know kakashi has a father. since not many ppl have white/grey hair. yup. xD plus the obvious love for perverted stories definately proves the family traits. =x
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-03-18, 07:38
No...
Jiraiya is not related to Kakashi....everyone he holds dear has died (including his family)...Jiraiya is someone (Sannin) who is admired...by every Konoha shinobi...and even foreign shinobi.
Tsunade is related to the Shodai & Nidaime..
Konohamaru is related to the Sandaime...but is only called sama or something like that by Ebisu..
And Orochimaru might be related to the ....oh wait...that's a spoiler :p
It's gotta be the fact that Naruto is obviously related to the 4th because the way he punched Konohamaru is definetly not allowed even in front of the 3rds pressence if it wasnt a person related to the Hokages.
They say the 4th was a genius but i doubt that he was sooo great that he could find a way to reïncarnate himself with the Kyuubi. Unless the Kyuubi really cant die.
BlackShinobi07
2007-03-18, 17:11
If naruto is the forths son why wouldnt Sandaime or kakashi treat him with more respect. As powerfull as the 4th was, i would think Naruto would be treated a little more respectfully by the villagers and kakashi. I doubt kakashi would prefer to personally train sasuke instead naruto or give naruto that fingure up the but thing if naruto was really thr 4ths son.
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-03-18, 17:17
If naruto is the forths son why wouldnt Sandaime or kakashi treat him with more respect. As powerfull as the 4th was, i would think Naruto would be treated a little more respectfully by the villagers and kakashi. I doubt kakashi would prefer to personally train sasuke instead naruto or give naruto that fingure up the but thing if naruto was really thr 4ths son.
The answer is simple. Naruto is unaware of his origin and knows now why everyone hated him.
I once said: "If it werent for the 3rd (or Naruto being the 4th's kid) he'd be dead within hours or days"
Dont forget that he was seen as the Kyuubi himself. Also Naruto (definetly in the beginning) was a simple brainless fool. With that kind of people (brainless) you may need to be very direct or rude for them to comprehend that they shouldnt do certain things :p
BlackShinobi07
2007-03-18, 19:02
The answer is simple. Naruto is unaware of his origin and knows now why everyone hated him.
I once said: "If it werent for the 3rd (or Naruto being the 4th's kid) he'd be dead within hours or days"
Dont forget that he was seen as the Kyuubi himself. Also Naruto (definetly in the beginning) was a simple brainless fool. With that kind of people (brainless) you may need to be very direct or rude for them to comprehend that they shouldnt do certain things :p
If everyone in the village was told he was the son of the 4th dont you think that alone would change how they treated him?
I think naruto, pervy sage, and fourth hokage are from the same clan, i don't think that naruto is fourth sons because everyone would know that and respect him. Naruto had to be someone in the fourths family or at least his clan. he could not go up to a complete stranger and ask to use their kid for a jutsu
Fukitsu Naruto
2007-03-19, 08:25
If everyone in the village was told he was the son of the 4th dont you think that alone would change how they treated him?
-Not necessarily. The people could just as easily discern that to be a trick of some sort or a bold-faced lie. After all, Yondaime Hokage was a hero to his village. To hear the words "I am his son" from a being they considered a demon could not only anger them but drive them to the point of wanting to kill him regardless of the consequences.
-Not necessarily. The people could just as easily discern that to be a trick of some sort or a bold-faced lie. After all, Yondaime Hokage was a hero to his village. To hear the words "I am his son" from a being they considered a demon could not only anger them but drive them to the point of wanting to kill him regardless of the consequences.
I don't think so, they would know that he is son since the fourth is preety famous and people would know when and if he got married and if his wife is pregnant.
I really think they are from the same clan.
this is weak but naruto had a frog wallet way before he learned frog summoning of jiraya and fourth hokage, it is posible that their clan are frog summoners
Kakashi is not honorific to any of his students and why Kakashi train Naru over Sasu answer is simple , he is the only known sharingam user in Konoha and Oro was after him he had to get stronger . That was the same reason Sasu was put into team Kakashi .
And no one knows for sure Yondi is Father/Uncle of Naruto but the reasons stated why he cant be lack any backing . Also Naruto was given special treatment by Sarutobi if you see the first few episodes Naru is very social with the Hokkage and Hokkage didnt seem to mind .
BlackShinobi07
2007-03-19, 13:45
-Not necessarily. The people could just as easily discern that to be a trick of some sort or a bold-faced lie. After all, Yondaime Hokage was a hero to his village. To hear the words "I am his son" from a being they considered a demon could not only anger them but drive them to the point of wanting to kill him regardless of the consequences.
Im saying that if the sandaime himself told the villagers that naruto was the son of the 4th, being the hogake, the villagers would defiinately believe sandaime, and probably treat naruto with a little more respect.
2H-Dragon
2007-03-19, 13:51
If everyone in the village was told he was the son of the 4th dont you think that alone would change how they treated him?
Well Gaara is also the son of a former Kazekage. Doesn't mean they will respect him. The fear and hate tends to be stronger most of the time.
BlackShinobi07
2007-03-19, 13:54
Well Gaara is also the son of a former Kazekage. Doesn't mean they will respect him. The fear and hate tends to be stronger most of the time.
Good point. But gaaras father wasnt the most powerfull kage that sunagakure ever had, nor did he sacrifece himself to save the village from certain annihilation like the fourth did to save konoha.
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-03-19, 13:56
If everyone in the village was told he was the son of the 4th dont you think that alone would change how they treated him?
No, because even if you were the son of the pope but the devil is inside you...people would still curse your excistence...that's just an example...
The Kyuubi killed too many to give respect to a new born kid...
Im saying if the sandaime himself told the villagers that naruto was the son of the 4th. being the hogake, the villagers would defiinately believe sandaime, and probably treat naruto with a little more respect.
Like i said...i mean even Iruka had difficulty in accepting Naruto just like so many others....the creature inside him was responsible for the death of sooo many people...
I don't think so, they would know that he is son since the fourth is preety famous and people would know when and if he got married and if his wife is pregnant.
I really think they are from the same clan.
this is weak but naruto had a frog wallet way before he learned frog summoning of jiraya and fourth hokage, it is posible that their clan are frog summoners
The 4th from what i know isnt all that famous....he is pretty much a taboo since they only talk about him that he saved the village from the demon fox....that's it.
And no....Naruto "Uzumaki" can indeed be a clan but the summonings arent linked to them. If Jiraiya decides that Sakura/Sasuke should get a contract with the frogs...and they sign it (with their blood) then they can summon those frogs aswell.
I think Kakashi and possibly his father or his family members (for example) would favor the summoning of dogs...while Kiba raises them instead of summoning (they wouldnt need a summoning)
Just like the Akamchi clan (they transform themselves to huge beings)
Well Gaara is also the son of a former Kazekage. Doesn't mean they will respect him. The fear and hate tends to be stronger most of the time.
Exactly...
Good point. But gaaras father wasnt the most powerfull kage that sunagakure ever had, nor did he sacrifece himself to save the village from certain annihilation like the fourth did to save konoha.
All Kages are respected...(which is why Naruto wanted to become one) and they have the exact same reason to fear/hate Gaara as Naruto.
If everyone in the village was told he was the son of the 4th dont you think that alone would change how they treated him?
I believe that they would lose some respect for the 4rth and say YOU PLACED THIS CURSED CHILD UPON US ALL AND SOME OF US LOST FAMILY AND FRIENDS BECAUSE OF IT. Basically even the greatest person could lose respect based on their past or what they will do in the future.
I mean look at Sasuke many people used to find him as a cool character but ever since he left Konoha he gained lots of disrespect from Naruto fans.
BlackShinobi07
2007-03-19, 16:32
I believe that they would lose some respect for the 4rth and say YOU PLACED THIS CURSED CHILD UPON US ALL AND SOME OF US LOST FAMILY AND FRIENDS BECAUSE OF IT. Basically even the greatest person could lose respect based on their past or what they will do in the future.
I mean look at Sasuke many people used to find him as a cool character but ever since he left Konoha he gained lots of disrespect from Naruto fans.
Why would they lose respect for him? if it wasnt for him they wouldnt even be alive. As for sasuke, hes even more popular among naruto fans now that hes damn near invicible with that sharingan.
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-03-19, 17:07
Why would they losed respect for him? if it wasnt for him they wouldnt even be alive. As for sasuke, hes even more popular among naruto fans now that hes damn near invicible with that shargina.
What i am about to tell you (in case you dont know) is a manga spoiler about Kakashi's father Hatake Sakumo, Kakashi father was respected on a high level...similair and on the same level as the Sannin.
Probably was called Hatake-sama :p...he lost so many of his respect because his mistake which caused the village alot of damage.
The whole village blamed him for the committed damage.
He was disgraced and committed suicide in the end.
He chose the lives of his companions over the village orders...
BlackShinobi07
2007-03-19, 17:12
What i am about to tell you (in case you dont know) is a manga spoiler about Kakashi's father Hatake Sakumo, Kakashi father was respected on a high level...similair and on the same level as the Sannin.
Probably was called Hatake-sama :p...he lost so many of his respect because his mistake which caused the village alot of damage.
The whole village blamed him for the committed damage.
He was disgraced and committed suicide in the end.
He chose the lives of his companions over the village orders...
Its a damn shame that kakashis dad went out like that, but im sure with his presumed skill level that he would have eventually earn their respect again.
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-03-19, 17:17
I am not so sure about it....healing the wounds in people their hearts are sometimes wounds that cant be healed...just like Gaara's uncle.
I mean....sacrificing yourself to save others....the village may be the most noble death there is...but in the end...he would die anyway.
Even though that happened...the Yellow Flash still spoke highly about him...and understood his decisions. I think that's the worst thing that could happen to anyone. Serving the village for so long...and then instead of gaining respect...becoming the black sheep of the village.
Why would they lose respect for him? if it wasnt for him they wouldnt even be alive. As for sasuke, hes even more popular among naruto fans now that hes damn near invicible with that sharingan.
I said some respect and they could because if they thought of the 4rth as the greatest hokage and then he has a baby that seems demonic in the citizens eyes they would probably assume he is a demon too or at least married a demon. Some people overeact to seeing a demon and assume its bad no matter what.
In regards to Sakumo Hatake. He deserved respect for being an example of a good ninja. One who would jeapordize a mission to save his friends. One could imagine what Kakashi would be like if his father didn't die.
One more thing Gaara was hated even when his father was the Kazekage and I dont think Shukaku killed many people when it was transferred into Gaara , still he was hated . All Bijuu carriers are feared and hated , alo they dont diffrentiate between Naruto and Bijuu
Kekkai Genkai
2007-03-20, 15:41
I don't think that Naruto is related to the 4th. In one of the anime episodes ( not sure exactly which one) while Naruto is walking with Jiraya to find Tsunade, Jiraya tells Naruto that he reminds him of the fourth. Naruto, being his natural self, gets excited and thinks that he will just be like the 4th. But then Jiraya says that he just reminds him of the Fourth because of his attitude and appearance.
Hyuuga Hitomi
2007-03-20, 20:56
I don't think that Naruto is related to the 4th. In one of the anime episodes ( not sure exactly which one) while Naruto is walking with Jiraya to find Tsunade, Jiraya tells Naruto that he reminds him of the fourth. Naruto, being his natural self, gets excited and thinks that he will just be like the 4th. But then Jiraya says that he just reminds him of the Fourth because of his attitude and appearance.
He did that in the anime, but in the manga he just looked surprised then the scene switched.
Also I think it would be perfectly reasonable for very few people to know that Naruto is the Yondaime's son. It would put him in even greater danger than he's already in, and as a child if the Yondaime's enemies wanted revenge they could attack Naruto and the villagers probably wouldn't lift a finger.
Going further back, if you were in the Yondaime's position would you want to take the chance of your enemies finding out your lover/wife/whatever was pregant? Would you want to take the risk of them kidnapping said wife? Or would you want to keep it as secret as possible, so the mother and child will be safer?
BlackShinobi07
2007-03-20, 22:43
I think jiraya does know naruto is the son of the fourth. Remember just before he was about to push naruto of the cliff to release the kyuubi chakra, he said "frogive me fourth". Would that imply he knows that naruto is related to fourth in some way. And remeber how much they talked about the fourth in that episode? Intersting isnt it.
I think jiraya does know naruto is the son of the fourth. Remember just before he was about to push naruto of the cliff to release the kyuubi chakra, he said "frogive me fourth". Would that imply he knows that naruto is related to fourth in some way. And remeber how much they talked about the fourth in that episode? Intersting isnt it.
That is pretty interesting. But I believe that Naruto is the regeneration/rebirth of the 4rth. Kishi borrows from DBZ sometimes and he probably borrowed the scene where Goku gets younger.
well some of the online rumors that the 4th is naruto's father
That is pretty interesting. But I believe that Naruto is the regeneration/rebirth of the 4rth. Kishi borrows from DBZ sometimes and he probably borrowed the scene where Goku gets younger.
it can't really be rebirth since they both had to be alive for the sealing to take place
here's my other point. someone raised it already i believe. but anyway, the 4th has iwa as an enemy. imagine if the 3rd proclaimed to the village that naruto is the 4th's son or 4th's relative, den 1) the whole of the village will either treat naruto a little better than as shown or 2) pamper/spoil him.
one more thing, lets say iwa nins learn of this remaining clan member, wont they kidnap naruto? wont they rage another war?
i might have gotten these ideas from fanfiction but it makes alot more sense than rebirth and all...
it can't really be rebirth since they both had to be alive for the sealing to take place
Then again Kishi could put more info on this jutsu like to use it in different ways right before dying. I really wish he would.
what jiraiya said was because he respected the wish of 4th hokage........as he wanted every1 to look upon naruto as a hero and as far as naruto looking like 4th hokage is concerned............ well i think that its just how the writer wanted it to be cause they clearly say that 4th hokage is not father of naruto.............
so i can't really think of anyother reason for him to look like the forth
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-03-28, 16:04
what jiraiya said was because he respected the wish of 4th hokage........as he wanted every1 to look upon naruto as a hero and as far as naruto looking like 4th hokage is concerned............ well i think that its just how the writer wanted it to be cause they clearly say that 4th hokage is not father of naruto.............
so i can't really think of anyother reason for him to look like the forth
I cant remember that!....I cant remember when they said Naruto is his son....but i also cant remember that they said...Naruto isnt his son. Or relative...
I cant remember that!....I cant remember when they said Naruto is his son....but i also cant remember that they said...Naruto isnt his son. Or relative...
Me neither but if Naruto ain't his son then Naruto is the 4rths incarnation/rebirth. I believe it would make more sense to say Naruto is an incarnation of the 4rth that he used to seal his and the Kyuubi's soul inside. Also so he could use the BTJ(body transfer jutsu) so he could live on to perfect the Rasengan with no memories of his past.
Syndicate
2007-03-28, 20:30
Me neither but if Naruto ain't his son then Naruto is the 4rths incarnation/rebirth. I believe it would make more sense to say Naruto is an incarnation of the 4rth that he used to seal his and the Kyuubi's soul inside. Also so he could use the BTJ(body transfer jutsu) so he could live on to perfect the Rasengan.wasn't naruto already born when the fourth was still alive
yes he was so not really rebirth, but incanation seems possible. fourth's spirit goes into and merges with naruto's spirit, Naruto actually possesed by the fourth. we are not going to know untill end or climax of show i guess where naruto and fourth have some subconsious chat and naruto does body flicker or somthing
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