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NightWish
2005-12-17, 11:42
endlessearth
2005-04-30, 05:14
i don't get it, what happen to him.
he just leave the house but how can he be a crow?
the doll kiss mizusu and the crow explodes into yukito, wtf is going on?
i saw yukito in pain in one of the episode and also his scarr.
ahhhh i don't get it, my head my head!!!!
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Stardash
2005-05-01, 13:15
You could look at the spoilers section, but basically...
Yukito just wished for Mizusu not to die(?) He only lessened it but it costed his life and he took the form of a crow. The scar he yelled in pain from was of his past life, since he is the reincarnated form of his ancestor. If you watched the other episode you'll see that the guy that looks like yukito received a wound in the back after obeying an order not to kill. The crow explodes into Yukito since it is yukito adn the doll symbolizes his love(?) for Misuzu and he shows her that he is always by her side :confused: . Meh that's what I thought it meant anyway >_> There aere more through analysis-es in other threads
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FireBorn
2005-05-01, 23:53
KEY games are just like that.. They focus on miracles and stuff like that.
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Morisato
2005-09-10, 02:50
Anyone know where I can find it? or a site with some Air pics from the game?
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Tiberium Wolf
2005-09-10, 03:18
www.boyis.com
In special section.
Of course no hentai pics there.
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Orin
2005-09-13, 08:12
how many episodes is the air summer special. and what is it about? cause i only seen a few eps of air tv.
also where does the air movie fit? when am i suppose to watch that?
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Angelsama
2005-09-13, 08:17
There's already a Air discussion thread, you should ask there.
http://forums.animesuki.com/forumdisplay.php?f=44
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Prodigious
2005-10-15, 16:31
Maybe it's just me, but gao sounds a lot like goal(at least the way Misuzi says those words). I was thinking "gao" was supposed to be representative of Misuzu trying to reach goals but falling short.
I guess the best way to explain it would be this:
Every time she screws up, she says "gao," which to me sounds a lot like goal, except sort of cut off or shortened. In the end, when she does finally achieve what she wanted, she is finally able to say "goal" instead of falling short and saying gao. Another aspect of this theory is that as the story progresses, she says gao less and less(even Haruko mentions this). This seems to fall in line with her getting ever closer to reaching her goals.
I was just wondering if gao was only supposed to be a cute little word to add entertainment value to the character, or if it actually had a deeper meaning like I explained above.
Sorry, if this seems stupid. I've been up since 1AM, so I'm really out of it, and I've only just finished the series a few days ago, so I've got a lot of dumb questions in my head.
btw, this is the only anime that ever made me seriously upset. At least 3 times I really cried, and there were plenty of misty-eyed moments. Suprisingly, it was the psuedo-happy moments that occured during/after the sad events that made me burst into tears. Maybe I'm becoming a woman, but damn this show really got the tears flowing, and I actually like the anime a lot because of that fact. :) It's a real testament to the quality of the story and execution of the show. Most forms of fiction, anything from books to movies, don't draw me in enough to make me truely care about the characters, but this show hit the mark.
Between Air and Shuffle, I'm beginning to think that H-game plots are better than big budget movies! :heh:
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dgreater1
2005-10-15, 17:10
"gao" is actually a Japanese word that correspond to the sound made by intimidating creatures (ex. dinosaur, dragons, godzilla, monster, etc.). [is it?]
Like in english
rustle = leaves making noise
pitter patter = sound of the raindrop
etc.
gao = Grrraa... or growl (imagine a dragon or dinosaur growling)
Misuzu-chin made it sound cute ^_^
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milkmandan
2005-10-15, 22:12
dgreater1 said it, but misuzu isnt the only one who says it.
plenty of other characters out there in other animes say "gao" ;)
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Prodigious
2005-10-15, 23:17
ok thanks for clearing that up. I had never heard gao before, so I assumed it was a funny word that Misuzu had made up(hence why Haruko wanted her to stop saying it), and as such, kind of expected it to mean something important.
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ForeverGoNe
2005-10-16, 11:13
There is a relevance between her love for dinosaurs and her habit of saying "Gao". I remember Haruka saying to Yukito the reason behind Misuzu saying Gao was her affection for dinosaurs and she always thought they said Gao, so she imitates them in a sense.
Just another perspective shed upon this matter.
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Creeping_Death
2005-10-18, 11:37
Ok I need this question answered very fast for a trivia game i play with my friends anyways i watch anime but i have never seen air because i am in u.s. nways can someone please answer this question?
Q:In the Air Serie, Once Yukito realise how important Misuzu was to him and decided to go back to her side, which living form did he took?
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Talesweaving
2005-10-18, 15:23
Yukito changes into a crow.
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Creeping_Death
2005-10-19, 15:39
thanks for ur help
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Richard 23
2005-10-20, 00:02
Hey Creep,
living in the U.S. is no excuse for not seeing Air TV. You are seriously missing out if you have not seen Air. The entire series (and the movie) have been fansubbed.
It is one of the best anime series around. Get it or regret it!
If you have emule or edonkey search for "[KOI] Air TV."
Better yet, use a bittorrent client.
There's only 12 episodes + a recap. Check it out or else....
There's also two "summer special" episodes if you enjoy the series.
Don't just leave it at an answer (Sora the crow) to a trivia question....
Gao.
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Monchan
2005-10-21, 10:11
Ok, here I go:
1) Why was the Movie and the series so different in terms of settings?
2) In the series, Why does Yukito turn into the crow?
3) In the movie Why do you see small Michiru and older Michiru?
4) Does Yukito fall in love with the girl in the series?
That's all I have to say for now.... Thanks in advanced!
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milkmandan
2005-10-21, 13:18
1. well obviously you can tell the artist for the movie was different. i can guess they were probably closer to the artists from the original game. Apparently they got different people to do it. hmm i dont know details but yea ;) i am sure someone else can answer this...
2. this is still hazy to me, i want to write something, but its going to be totally off. lets just say, he does change into a crow because he wants to help misuzu. ;) the reasons why, again i leave to someone else.
3. you do? you see an older one? where? i did not catch this at all..if you are talking near the end, at the fair maybe your eyes are mistaken and really they are the same age..then again its been a while since i saw the movie, i am probably wrong.
4. we presume Yes, they dont actually exchange DIRECT words like "I love you" but you can get the general idea of it. ;)
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Rugal
2005-10-23, 10:25
1) Why was the Movie and the series so different in terms of settings?
-Well... To tell you the truth, Air the Movie was an alternate story to Air since you can't squeeze all the stories into 90 minutes movie anyway. Air the movie was used as a big promotion to Air Series.
Other than that, Movie has differrent characters designer, and is a new interpretation to Air series by Ozaki Desamu. The director. What hurt me at most is he changed Kanna's part story and putting it to nothing but a soap opera. Ugh... I hate how he put it in that row. There are MANY plotholes there.
2) In the series, Why does Yukito turn into the crow?
-To save Misuzu's life and with these wings, he can fly to the girl in the sky and ACTUALLY help her. Not just kept trying to help one part of her like Misuzu, but Kanna herself.
3) In the movie Why do you see small Michiru and older Michiru?
-There are? I seen only Michiru and Minagi after watched it.
4) Does Yukito fall in love with the girl in the series?
-He already fell in love with Misuzu.
Anymore questions?
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Richard 23
2005-10-23, 17:58
3) In the movie Why do you see small Michiru and older Michiru?
I just watched the movie again last night so it's still fresh in my head.
Fortunately it was after reading your question so I played "spot the cameos."
I saw Michiru three times. Once atop a playground jungle jim blowing bubbles. Shortly afterwards in a crowd of kids watching Yukito's puppet show. Then towards the end during the festival where Minagi and Kano also briefly appear. None of them had any speaking role however. Michiru might look younger in context early on in the movie but I think it's all in your head unless you spotted another Micheru that I didn't notice.
The other notable cameo was Poteto of course. He appeared on a television set that Misuzu was watching (the "Adventures of Poteto" anime, perhaps). An obvious reference to Air TV.
I found it kinda funny that before Poteto appears Yukito says "piko piko" during his puppet show.
And I watched for any Kanon cameos as well but to no avail. Ayu, Makoto and Nayuki appeared in Air TV for a blink of an eye. They looked a little older in Air than they did in Kanon, of course Kanon was a few years earlier!
I agree completely with Rugal's characterization of the Movie. Rugal, your many Air posts in this forum have been great and have deepened my appreciation for this wonderful series. I first stumbled across Air TV and the Air movie a few months ago on a WinAmp stream. Thanks to bittorrent and Koi I have my own fansubbed copy of Air. I love this show! If there was an official subtitled DVD (no dubs please) I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Same for the Key games. But it may never happen, huh?
I look forward to any series Key may release in the future....
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Monchan
2005-10-23, 22:54
Ok, At the jungle gym area, you see michiru and the girl by the swings and rounger michiru in the crowd of kids. This happens when Yukito is doing a puppet show for all the kids.
More quesitons:
1) I'm so confused with the Yukito-Sora thing. What happens in the series after Misuzu dies? Where does Sora go? This is a question towards both the series and the movie.
2) So either way Sora fails to do fulfill his purpose? I mean, she dies either way....
3) After Sora turns into a bird, does time go back?
4) I don't get the Old story they keep telling over and over again. In the movie, the old story is totally different from the story told from the summers special/series. I mean, in one story the winged girl confesses love, but in the other, she just kisses her gaurdian and tries to fly away.
5) Isn't Yukito kind of too old for Misuzu?
6) In the old story, wasn't that Uraha lady suppose to have a affair to bring back the winged girl? I don't get that.
7) You know the people in the town? Well, are their situations connected to Misuzu's? Like that girl in the purple hair with that posessing feather?
Well, that's all I have to ask for now. Thanks in advanced for answering them!
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OshadowO
2005-10-24, 00:57
ok i'll try and answer what i can, but most of this is still open to interpretation.
1)Misuzu dies and her soul returns to the sky but this time with happy memories she got from having spent the time with her mother. There's a bit more to it though. There's debate as to whether or not the two kids seen in the ending were yukito and misuzu reincarnated.
2)Sora/Yukito's purpose was to find the girl and give her happy memories so he did that by letting her spend time with her mother. (Yukito becomes sora, misuzu gets more time to live.
3)got me there. This was confusing. I think they just do a recap because it didn't erase yukito from her life. She just thought he went away.
4)The movie is a bit different from the anime. Treat them as two different entities.
5)Yes he is. Yukito san wa hentai!!!
6)Uraha and Soldier boy married so that their offspring could continue on their quest to find and bring happiness to the winged girl. They didn't know where she was trapped, only that she was trapped in the sky. But since neither one was immortal they did what they could. Have kids and pass the tale down in hopes that someone from their line might find and rescue her.
7)They're connected to Misuzu in the sense that their troubles/situations were caused by Kanna's feathers which carried magic power. Since Misuzu was Kanna's reincarnation they were connected like that.
Hope that helped. If you search around the forum you'll find better explanations. The series is a mind bender though.
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Monchan
2005-10-24, 03:12
thanks for the good explination. All I have is one more question.
Is it possible to cure the winged feather girl curse? Is it possible to get rid of the curse or stop the problem from occuring genration after another?
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LinDorK
2005-10-24, 04:33
I rewatched the series over 4 times already, and tried to understand to the best of my abilities (which are very limited, mainly because I'm a sucker for understanding -_-) I interpreted and interpreted but still cannot find an answer.
So here is my question. As far as we see, everyone in the series thus far are there for a reason. Everyone has a reference, a meaning. And those of the present are someohow related to those in the past. Each of the girl that Yukito encountered has something to do with the past. Kano is the reincarnation of Shiraho, Misuzu of Kanna, etc... So what role did Minagi play in the "past" arc? And what reference of Uraha is made in the future???? It is possible that she portrays the image of Yukito's mother, but I am still not sure...
I am sorry that I made this relentlessly long...
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Monchan
2005-10-24, 05:10
I think Uraha is like you said, the mother of misuzu. This again brings up a question about Yukito being Uraha's companion..... I mean, in the series, Yukito turned into a crow and left Misuzu with her mother..... Ok, when I saw the movie I was like, " What just happened?" from the beginning of the movie! GWAAH! Everything is just confusing!
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Richard 23
2005-10-24, 17:21
So here is my question. As far as we see, everyone in the series thus far are there for a reason. Everyone has a reference, a meaning. And those of the present are someohow related to those in the past. Each of the girl that Yukito encountered has something to do with the past. Kano is the reincarnation of Shiraho, Misuzu of Kanna, etc... So what role did Minagi play in the "past" arc? And what reference of Uraha is made in the future???? It is possible that she portrays the image of Yukito's mother, but I am still not sure...
I am sorry that I made this relentlessly long...
You call that long? Get a load of my wordy explanations....
I'm not so sure that Kano is a reincarnation. But...
Kano: the freeplanetling.
When she touched the feather (Kanna's feathers possess [sad] memories) as a child, perhaps the sad memory was passed to her. Like the infant in the flashback, Kano had lost her mother as a child. So maybe she was sensitive to that memory -- the separation of a mother and daughter by death. Recall that Yukito felt nostalgic and sad when he encountered the feather that Kano had touched. The magic feather, Yukito's power and Kano's wish made it possible for her to meet and thank her mother as Yukito had suggested she do. This helped resolve her sorrow and guilt over the loss of her mother and I suppose the feather was returned to Kanna with the happy memory Kano experienced by meeting her mother.
Recall also that the bruise on Kano's wrist disappeared with the feather. The child had the bruise, yet Kano was reciting the words of the mother. So she had a connection to both mother and child from the memory.
As to Minagi, well, she's Minagi, not a reincarnation of someone else.
Minagi and Micheru (the buttshaking-ling).
I think Minagi was a bit of a plot device to get Yukito (and us) to realize that the "girl in the sky" was more than just a folk tale or legend. Michiru, Minagi's sister who died before birth, meets the Kanna, the girl in the sky and borrows one of her feathers which enables her to come to Earth as a "dream," in order to comfort Minagi and reconcile Minagi with her mother, emotionally broken by the loss of Michiru.
Michiru's companionship helps Minagi through the difficult time with her mother; Yukito steers Minagi back home where Minagi and her mother are reunited as a family. In the end the mother finally sees Minagi as herself rather than her dead child. Before she leaves (the dream comes to an end), Michiru gets to finally meet her own mother; another happy memory to bring to Kanna when she returns the feather.
So really neither Kano nor Minagi or Michiru played a role in the past (Summer Arc). Neither did Yukito, Misuzu or Haruko for that matter.
Misuzu dreams of Kanna, she is not Kanna herself. She is one of Kanna's dreams, she is part of Kanna, but not all of Kanna. A winged being's essence cannot fully fit into a human being. Like the water of the ocean, it cannot fit into a teacup without shattering it.
Likewise, Yukito is not Ryuuyu, but he does carry on his will. He is descended from Ryuuyu and Uraha, separated by 1000 years. He inherits Ryuuyu's will (to find and save Kanna) and Uraha's power (magic and the doll with generations of unfufilled wishes which will ultimately be used to help Misuzu save Kanna).
Why did I mention Haruko, Misuzu's substitute mother? There's a similar theme between the Summer and Air arcs. Kanna wished to be reunited with her mother, Misuzu has a similar wish: to experience happy memories with her mother. The goal which has taken 1000 summers to finally reach.
When Yukito has an attack in the hallway and is wounded, later to discover a scar just like Ryuuyu's suggests Yukito suggested to me that Yukito has passed the point of no return. He's experiencing the curse that his mother warned him about: caring about the girl will cause both he and the girl to die. Misuzu's dreams are having a physical effect on both Yukito and Misuzu.
The common theme:
Memories and the mother-child relationship. Families stick together.
Each of the girls in the series, Kano, Minagi, Kanna and Misuzu were separated from their mothers either by death or by circumstance. The goal and wish for each of them is to reconcile that loss. Sad memories hold us back, happy memories give us hope and keep us going. But we cannot live on memories alone.
Each of these girls, even Michiru to some extent, resolve that mother-daughter separation and the guilt or sadness associated with it.
Kano meets and thanks her mother. Kano had felt guilty about her mother's death and accepted part of the blame as the reason for her mother's death. Until Yukito set her straight, Kano had wished to apologize (for having been born) rather than thank her mother. Good advice, Yukito!
Minagi is able to reach her mother and be recognized as herself rather than her dead sister. She had accepted her mother's condition the result of her sin: wishing for a younger sister who unfortunately died before birth. She then lived as a fragment of her mother's dream, taking on the role of Michiru, whose death devastated her mother. That dream had to end to bring Minagi and her mother together.
Misuzu lost her mother as a child and was taken in by her aunt Haruko. The two remained somewhat distant in part because Haruko feared losing Misuzu to her natural father, and Misuzu kept her distance because affection resulted in fits and pain. They overcame these obstacles and became close in the end. Haruko ultimately would have lost Misuzu no matter what she did anyway - the least they could do was to create some happy memories.
Yukito guided each of the girls to their respective goals, but ultimately each had to resolve the obstacles on their own to find happiness. Such is life.
All of these happy memories were returned to Kanna who was all alone in the sky.
Finally a word about Sora the crow.
As tragic as it is that Yukito seems to have run away and abandoned Misuzu when she really needed him and cared for him, he did the right thing. He'd gone as far as the two could go with the way things were. Had Yukito stayed as the freeloader at the Kamio house, Misuzu would have died without reaching her goal. Yukito may have lived on, or he may have died within a year anyway, like his ancestor Ryuuyu had 1000 years earlier. This would have solved nothing.
Instead, like his mother before him, he placed his heart, his wish, into the doll while he still had power, while he was still strong. His wish was to be by Misuzu's side forever and to help her reach her goal, and to save the girl in the sky, Kanna, fufilling Ryuuyu's 1000 year old wish. In the final three episodes Yukito, as Sora
rarely leaves Misuzu's side. He intervenes when Haruko tosses away Misuzu's birthday gift, the baby dinosaur, and alerts Haruko to its presence at the temple towards the end. Misuzu tries her best to reach the dinosaur and succeeds, a rehearsal perhaps for reaching her ultimate goal.
But why a crow? Haruko's (some say corny) speech at the end should give us a clue. Humans cannot fly in the sky, but birds can. After Misuzu reaches her goal, Sora flies away to find the girl in the sky who's still alone to bring her back for a new beginning.
What is the use of wings which cannot flap nor fly?
It's to remind us of those happy memories from when we could fly.
What is the use of friends or family who ultimately die or leave?
The happy memories they leave behind.
I think Uraha is like you said, the mother of misuzu. This again brings up a question about Yukito being Uraha's companion..... I mean, in the series, Yukito turned into a crow and left Misuzu with her mother..... Ok, when I saw the movie I was like, " What just happened?" from the beginning of the movie! GWAAH! Everything is just confusing!
Uraha is not Misuzu's mother. They aren't even related.
Ryuuyu, not Yukito, was Uraha's companion. Their bond to Kanna was as a family. They would do anything, even give their own lives for Kanna's happiness.
Yukito turned into a crow but he never left Misuzu. He's in every scene from his transformation until the end.
Don't confuse the series with the movie. Similar themes but different story. The movie jettisoned a lot of the mystical elements that were in the series other than the legend (soap opera) of Kanna and Ryuuyu and...
the bit at the end where Yukito's doll leads him to Misuzu and then bounces into a feather and disapears. The connection between Kanna and Misuzu, Yukito and Ryuuyu is more thematic than literal in the movie. At least that's how I saw it.
I enjoyed both the series and the movie, but the series is far superior in my view.
I hope this was helpful to someone even though it was a bit long-winded.
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LinDorK
2005-10-24, 18:47
Misuzu dreams of Kanna, she is not Kanna herself. She is one of Kanna's dreams, she is part of Kanna, but not all of Kanna. A winged being's essence cannot fully fit into a human being. Like the water of the ocean, it cannot fit into a teacup without shattering it.
I have the same view as you on this :) I think it was in episode 9 that Uraha quoted that pouring a winged being's soul into a human body is like pouring the entire ocean into a single cup of water. Thanks a lot for your wordy explanations, I enjoyed reading them :)
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Monchan
2005-10-25, 00:31
Ok that makes sense not to mix up the movie and the story...... Well, what I meant by Uraha being Misuzu's mother was that she might have been an re-incarnation.... But obviously, you have answered that.... Anyway, no more questions...... This was a depressing movie....... Time to get on with life....... I might come back to this thread if there are any good posts, but until then see you around......
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Leo_Otaku
2005-11-05, 23:22
Also there is alot of reasoning behind "why a crow" just to put my two cents worth in ^-^"
animeloon
2005-12-21, 06:09
watched air tv 1-12..however still can't understand the ending.
1. who's the 2 kids at the end?are they related to yukito and mizusu?
Quoted from the "spoiler" above:
1)Misuzu dies and her soul returns to the sky but this time with happy memories she got from having spent the time with her mother. There's a bit more to it though. There's debate as to whether or not the two kids seen in the ending were yukito and misuzu reincarnated.
Leo_Otaku
2005-12-22, 22:58
Nobody really knows. They represent "a new beginning".
All these twists and turns and confusing storyline, I think are one of the main reasons that made this anime great
Paper Lilies
2005-12-26, 23:48
Should I Watch the Special, or movie first after the series?
The special is based on the series, so it's preferrable to see the two summer eps to finish off the series.
The AIR movie for all intents and purposes is a standalone alternate telling of the AIR story. Watch it first before the tv series or you can watch it last after seeing the series but keep the two as separate.
Leo_Otaku
2005-12-27, 22:26
Totally watch the TV series first then watch the movie or special next. The movie didn't have the emotional impact and may leave the series with less?
so basically i wan to know the ending
air the movie : mizusu became a angel after she's fevered out*
air 1-13: ??? wats the ending?
juz need to know..
Leo_Otaku:
Or, watch the movie but skip the Aozora scene. I know I'm doing that xD
sniperz:
You remember what Yukito said to Haruko, that after dreaming her last dream she'd die (due to the curse)? That just happened, but not before having happy memories with Haruko. As for the two kids, someone asked about it earlier (Above). It's actually more of an open ending; some people think that he curse was broken (because Misuzu was able to have happy memories, and brought them to Kanna) while some believe that the curse wasn't broken (cos' of what the two kids at the beach said at the final ep; and also of Sora's final words, I will bring her down from the sky or something like that, indicating that "The girl in the sky" was well, still in the sky)
eLcHaKeTeRo
2005-12-31, 07:47
i stumbled onto this series...and i liked it and since it was so short i though that it hadnt ended.....but i guess i was wrong....this was a time filler between bleach episodes, but a GREAT filler at that
I still dont get the part when that guy turns into the freaking bird when the bird and the guy existed in the same time and space ....then later it was shown that he was both...thats a thinker.....
Actually, I'd say that "Bleach is filler between Air episodes" is the more correct way to put it - but I guess that really depends on the person. As for your question, refer to the second post from the top.
eLcHaKeTeRo
2006-01-01, 02:38
Actually, I'd say that "Bleach is filler between Air episodes" is the more correct way to put it - but I guess that really depends on the person. As for your question, refer to the second post from the top.
we'll just agree to disagree....but it still doesnt take anything away from air.....i really liked it alot though
the story was great and completly different that i had seen...i liked the most when haruko and mizusu got really close...it really was great to see....
and thanks for the answer to my previous question
No problem, it wasn't all that difficult to answer. ;)
Frozen_Skye
2006-01-01, 08:30
I read over the posts and was extremely glad that it shed light on alot of things that I was struggling to understand. However, the only thing that I'm still very confused about is Yukito as a crow. In the flashbacks, the story was told from the crow's pov (i think) and it seems the crow was there all along. But Yukito supposedly only turned into the crow after Misuzu got all feverish. So why did it appear like Yukito the bird was there throughout the entire story?
eLcHaKeTeRo
2006-01-01, 08:57
I read over the posts and was extremely glad that it shed light on alot of things that I was struggling to understand. However, the only thing that I'm still very confused about is Yukito as a crow. In the flashbacks, the story was told from the crow's pov (i think) and it seems the crow was there all along. But Yukito supposedly only turned into the crow after Misuzu got all feverish. So why did it appear like Yukito the bird was there throughout the entire story?
OMG......dont u read?.....that was my question!......like he said refer to the second post from the top........im not tryin to be an ass....but i just asked that question....its in the spoiler tag, which u obviously disreguarded..its post num. 12
Frozen_Skye
2006-01-01, 11:05
OMG......dont u read?.....that was my question!......like he said refer to the second post from the top........im not tryin to be an ass....but i just asked that question....its in the spoiler tag, which u obviously disreguarded..its post num. 12
I'm sorry but I srsly tried going thru that mega long post. Maybe its insane length just spins me out but I can't seem to spot the answer to my question. There's very sufficient discussion about WHY he turned into a crow (which I finally understand thanks to that post) but I am still a bit confused as to the timeline/flashback issue. I'd appreciate it if u could perhaps quote the part which answers my question. Thanks!
eLcHaKeTeRo
2006-01-01, 11:18
I'm sorry but I srsly tried going thru that mega long post. Maybe its insane length just spins me out but I can't seem to spot the answer to my question. There's very sufficient discussion about WHY he turned into a crow (which I finally understand thanks to that post) but I am still a bit confused as to the timeline/flashback issue. I'd appreciate it if u could perhaps quote the part which answers my question. Thanks!
......ok......i hope this answers ur question..........
Finally a word about Sora the crow.
As tragic as it is that Yukito seems to have run away and abandoned Misuzu when she really needed him and cared for him, he did the right thing. He'd gone as far as the two could go with the way things were. Had Yukito stayed as the freeloader at the Kamio house, Misuzu would have died without reaching her goal. Yukito may have lived on, or he may have died within a year anyway, like his ancestor Ryuuyu had 1000 years earlier. This would have solved nothing.
Instead, like his mother before him, he placed his heart, his wish, into the doll while he still had power, while he was still strong. His wish was to be by Misuzu's side forever and to help her reach her goal, and to save the girl in the sky, Kanna, fufilling Ryuuyu's 1000 year old wish. In the final three episodes Yukito, as Sora
rarely leaves Misuzu's side. He intervenes when Haruko tosses away Misuzu's birthday gift, the baby dinosaur, and alerts Haruko to its presence at the temple towards the end. Misuzu tries her best to reach the dinosaur and succeeds, a rehearsal perhaps for reaching her ultimate goal.
But why a crow? Haruko's (some say corny) speech at the end should give us a clue. Humans cannot fly in the sky, but birds can. After Misuzu reaches her goal, Sora flies away to find the girl in the sky who's still alone to bring her back for a new beginning.
What is the use of wings which cannot flap nor fly?
It's to remind us of those happy memories from when we could fly.
What is the use of friends or family who ultimately die or leave?
The happy memories they leave behind.
.....its kinda like im doin ur homework........lol
At that moment in time in episode 7, Yukito-san put all his will power into saving Misuzu and "became" Sora. Thus, the space-time continium was altered and the Yukito-san in episodes 10, 11 and 12 was no longer the same Yukito-san who was there before. Or something like that. I'm probably wrong, we have to wait for Rugal to come back here and explain again. :)
ForeverGoNe
2006-01-03, 13:06
At that moment in time in episode 7, Yukito-san put all his will power into saving Misuzu and "became" Sora. Thus, the space-time continium was altered and the Yukito-san in episodes 10, 11 and 12 was no longer the same Yukito-san who was there before. Or something like that. I'm probably wrong, we have to wait for Rugal to come back here and explain again. :)
No, what you said was exactly right. Yukito gave up his life for Misuzu in order she could continue living. Yukito reincarnated into the Crow to observe the relationship that Misuzu had with Haruka.
As for the posts above, it's recommended that you watch the series first. I'll move you in no way you can imagine. The movie is from a different perspective and will completely throw you off if you don't watch the series first. The series tends to be more genuine and true when compared to the movie because there's the romance element inside it. The series focuses more on drama instead.
PersocomChi
2006-01-05, 00:27
Well I finished this series in a day and was really touched.. =.= well every romance anime I watched I've been touched.. but ya anyways... I saw the movie too and the result of poor Misuzu is the same :( .. any rumors that they going to have another season of Air? Because the story still have lots of plothole.. like Yukito still didn't freed Kanna and well I think most think that Misuzu is an incarnation of Kanna but Yukito didn't freed her in the end.. and what happened to Yukito.. turned to a crow? ...
ForeverGoNe
2006-01-05, 21:58
No extra season. It was how the game left off, so I don't see any extra season being made.
Kuragari
2006-01-12, 12:02
I understand the story, I just don't get how they could have left off like that. I watched the series a while ago and finally got up the courage to watch the movie thinking it would be the ending that I was hoping for... There has to be more at least there had to be a plan for more...
Misuzu is Kanna... Yukito is Ryuuya... I thought this was supposed to be the cycle of reincarnation where they finally break the curse... I don't know why they bothered revamping the story... it cut out all the other characters and made it more romantic... but it also cut out alot of the tragedy... I can't express my frustration enough... it's like a big gaping wound in my heart that will never heal until Misuku and Yukito live with Haruko happily ever after... Maybe it's just not meant to be... maybe it's just supposed to be a tragedy... but I don't want it to be... *sigh*
Hum... I want to know which is the best team for Air's tranlation ( Lunar or Triad )
THX you =)
I think Koi's the best, but it's just opinion.
Kuragari
2006-01-13, 20:48
Koi is definitely better, they give translation notes... which I think every translator should do, I've seen such horrible translation over the years... I'm not fluent but there's still so many poor translations out there that aren't even fansubs! Nobody seems to know about japanese culture, but Koi goes so far as to show people about certain customs.
Oki thx =) Koi i'll try :)
I have read that Takeda Honyakubu is good, but they are only on episode 6. Koi is good, but their font is a bit too small when watching on TV.
I just discovered this anime from watching someone's AMV... it was beautiful so it got me interested in checking out this show. I've only watched the first episode so far. I know this question might seem irrelevant and probably dumb, but I wanted to know:- how old are Yukito and Misuzu? He seems a bit old..
Leo_Otaku
2006-01-16, 02:54
I think she is 16 or 17ish and he is 19 or 20ish
Tempestuousfury
2006-01-26, 07:13
*roar* *grr* *foams at mouth*
I gave the cds with air on 'em to a friend, and now all of you have got me wanting to watch it again. *evil eye* *ROAR*
In order to be somewhat productive:
Anyone know what significance feathers have in Japanese myth, etc.?
Is the girl in the sky story based on existing Japanese folklore?
What would be the easiest way of getting the game (I take it it is for the ps2...?) I suppose I'd like the not-hgame, since I'd like to keep the innocent image I have of the girls glued in my head?
Does the game's story augment, set up, match, the movie/ series?
Anyone know of a way to d/l the manga? (I'm not sure how this fits in to the fansubbing thing, so feel free to reprimand me if I am at fault for asking)
Also, 1000th summer? I'm almost positive this should have been asked and answered already, but still wanting to know.
Sorry if I repeated things that were previously asked and if my questions really don't warrant an answer, but I feel that this would be the best place to get these questions answer. *scratches head*
Anyways, thank you in advance.
What would be the easiest way of getting the game (I take it it is for the ps2...?) I suppose I'd like the not-hgame, since I'd like to keep the innocent image I have of the girls glued in my head?
Buy. There's the AIR all ages version for what you want. I also have the same idea, although the AIR game artbook kinda makes me want to delete it and not delete it at the same time, lol. There are "other" ways to obtain it, it's not allowed here though. Don't ask anymore about it, lol.
Does the game's story augment, set up, match, the movie/ series?
The story of AIR was compressed into 12 episodes. AFAIK, the game is superior to the TV series. I recall some people complaining about the Aozora scene, that it was butchered. Well, as I have close to zero Japanese language comprehension, I'll never enjoy the real, full length Aozora scene.
I have no idea for the other questions =/ Someone's gonna have to drop by to anser those.
DanielSong39
2006-01-31, 03:58
Why does Haruko say that Misuzu doesn't really have any friends in Episode 5? I thought Misuzu and Kano were best friends?
Leo_Otaku
2006-02-01, 17:44
I don't remember Kano and Misuzu being close friends at all. I think you missed that.
Monster in a box
2006-02-16, 17:58
I know there's a Q&A thread and all that, but I'm nuts about spoilers, a brief stroll through that thread ran me straight into what might have been some major spoilers...
So...is there any point in downloading the specials? From what I've gathered they are either
A) Based on ep.8 & 9, but kinda different (which would be...well, worthwhile to an extent)
or
B) Ep.8 & 9 treated as one episode. (utterly pointless)
Also, is there any reason to watch ep.13, or is it purely recap? I tried to bring myself to watch it, but the first minute or so just made me want to start from episode 1 again.
Tempestuousfury
2006-02-16, 19:44
I downloaded them, and the show, and the movie, but don't want to spend hours and hours watching it all at once and getting a heartache. :P
However, about episode thirteen, I did the same thing the first time through, so is it worth it?
This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_%28anime%29#AIR_In_Summer_Special) would answer your question about the specials; and yes the recap is purely recap.
Monster in a box
2006-02-16, 22:07
Ah. Guess I missed that the first time I looked through the wiki...
Well, I guess it's more or less worth downloading then. I'd still prefer more stuff with Minagi and...erm...they used her so little that I can't even remember her name. FreeFreePlanetling1.
milkmandan
2006-02-17, 02:50
the specials are def worth downloading. the recap is not..its just a recap
Agreed.. the specials are superb and focus on the lighthearted moments of the trio's journey to take her to mom... it is kind of bittersweet since you know the ultimate fate of these wonderful characters.
I almost wish the series had focused on these characters they were so entertaining.
Shiokaze
2006-02-24, 17:07
Anyone know where to get Air winamp skins?
toshi123
2006-03-12, 12:19
I dont get the ending parts ok the travellor disapears and turns into a cat or something i think crow i forgot and then the girl starts to die away and loses her memory -.-?? that doesnt make any sense and who is that guy and whats up with the girl.... i forgot a bit about AIR but i dont think she dies.. but yehh whats up with that
Why does Haruko say that Misuzu doesn't really have any friends in Episode 5? I thought Misuzu and Kano were best friends?
Not really close friends, fact.. who knows if they knew who each other was before Yukito arrived.
& Toshi123, i know its hard to understand.. but if you just label in order what you don't understand & not all in one big paragraph, then people would be able to help.
buffboyali
2006-03-17, 01:27
Okie does anyone know whats going to happen to the wil of Ryuuri? Since yukito is a crow now, how is anyone going to pass down the wil? This is assuming the mission hasnt been accomplished yet. Or has the will been compeleted??? Because there is arguments on both sides.
This is assuming the mission hasnt been accomplished yet. Or has the will been compeleted??? Because there is arguments on both sides.
There is simply no conclusive evidence to suggest whether the curse had been broken or not. It is an open end story which is upto the viewers to draw their own conclusions.
There was a poll before the forum crash where 2/3 of the participants voted the curse had not been broken while the remaining 1/3 voted it had.
I myself had voted positively simply because the little boy and girl at the end (which I assumed to be reincarnations of Yukito and Misuzu/Kanna) had done two things which are not possible under the curse:
Holding hands walking together (which siginify a close relationship);
Playing at the seaside.
Anyway, that's just my view. Like I said, the ending is really open for interpretation. :)
buffboyali
2006-03-20, 04:25
There is simply no conclusive evidence to suggest whether the curse had been broken or not. It is an open end story which is upto the viewers to draw their own conclusions.
Well I wouldnt say"no" evidence because, soras( and the series's) finals words were:
"Before I knew it, I was looking at the sky, which had always been filled with a sad color, the endless blue that continues forever, the girl who returned to that infinity, the girl who is still all alone. So I will go on a voyage to continue searching for her. And some day I will bring her back, to welcome a new begening"
But this probably alone isnt enough proof to say the curse was brocken or not, but it does lean more towards continueing the wil which ultimately indicates that the curse hasnt been brocken. But its only just in theory and I agree with you saying that it is open ended because there is other evidence that shows( children holding hands) it has.
hoshino_crimsonwings
2006-05-09, 12:25
The curse is transferred from wings beings to wing beings is it not? Because Kanna is the last wing being alive, the "earth's memories" will be transffered to a human this time, and the human is Misuzu. The human's mind of be overwhelmed by the "earth's memories" thus killed in action. What happened is that misuzu was killed by it. So there are no more winged beings, and Misuzu dies. I guess the curse stops?;p
EDIT, one question for the people who played the game (I haven't, although I'm a BIG AIR fan; I don't like hentai so much :/)
What kind of "hentai" does the game actually have? I mean I can imagine yukito screwing other girls, but Misuzu? Wth? That's like pedophile crap, she's a little girl? O.o Who exactly screws who in the game? thanks.
What kind of "hentai" does the game actually have? I mean I can imagine yukito screwing other girls, but Misuzu? Wth? That's like pedophile crap, she's a little girl? O.o Who exactly screws who in the game? thanks.
I haven't played very much of the game, so I can only tell you what I know. However, anyone who has played the game can add or correct me on the items I am about to describe.
The "H-Scenes" that you are referring to exist only in the Dream arc. There is only one adult image in the Summer arc. Yukito basically "does it" with all three of the main girls (Misuzu, Kano, and Minagi). I was a bit shocked at first to see these images as well, but later realized that the adult situations was not the reason why I enjoy AIR so much.
In Misuzu's story, there is a scene where Haruko is "touching" Misuzu. Quite odd, if you ask me. The rest is images of Misuzu naked and being involved in adult situations. The adult images has been censored.
In Kano's story, there is a scene of her and Hijiri "having fun" with Yukito. The rest is similar to Misuzu's story, only with Kano this time.
In Minagi's story, you have a naked image of her. Also, there are two endings to her story. One of them is a "dark" ending, which contains her being involved in adult situations with Yukito.
That's about all I know. Anyone can add to this or correct me if they wish.
By the way, if you're not into the adult images contained in AIR, there is an All Ages version available as well. Just look for it at HimeyaShop.com
hoshino_crimsonwings
2006-05-10, 13:35
Thanks, that was good help; I appreciate it. I don't really mind other girls in hentai situations (Not like I'm interested); but I just think it'd be SICK if Yukito screwed Misuzu. I mean the one from the anime looks uh..a bit under aged. The one in the movie seems older at least. From what it seems, the anime seems to be based off from the game. I'm sure AIR gamers don't play the game for the HCG though, otherwise they wouldn't choose AIR. ;p (By this I mean, they wouldn't want a "detail" plot if they're just looking for something to wank with)
I prefer not to think of Misuzu that way either, but keep in mind that she's described as flighty and immature, and that she doesn't really act her age.
And of course, that's even before she starts breaking down and reverting to childhood in the final story arc...
I haven't seen her age definitively stated anywhere, but personally, I'd put her at sixteen -- consider the shot of her birthday cake in episode two:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d146/onallama/AIR/MisuzusCake.jpg
I count twelve candles, and it looks like 1/4th of the cake has been removed so far, implying that it would have had sixteen candles on it originally.
Minagi and Kano should be pretty much the same age -- Misuzu introduces Minagi to Yukito as a classmate, which I interpret as being in the same year in school. Kano might be a little younger since she refers to having seen Misuzu's face a few times, but doesn't know her name, which could mean they're in different years, or just in different classes. Anyway, that's just my best guess...if there's a more concrete statement of the characters' ages that I've missed somewhere, I'd be glad to have it pointed out.
Regarding H scenes, I could care less for them in any game but obviously there is a significant group of Key fans, in Japan at least that want them.
The outrage by them over Key's "clean" CLANNAD is a good example, forcing Key to make a adult version semi sequel to the sotry.
You can simply ignore them for the most part as they don't add anything much to the plot itself, being mere "requirements" that happen to go with the genre of these games, but Key is notable for minimizing that stuff down greatly for its games more than other traditional ones like Shuffle!.
Misuzu's age is a good question, was there ever any official info on that? In the game manual or manga perhaps? I would put here at around 16 or so. Obviously Yukito is probably around 20ish.
Leo_Otaku
2006-05-12, 00:48
In Misuzu's story, there is a scene where Haruko is "touching" Misuzu. Quite odd, if you ask me. The rest is images of Misuzu naked and being involved in adult situations. The adult images has been censored.
Wasn't that Yukito having some sort of um what would you call it dream? Can't think of the word so tired.... but it didn't really happen it was his imagination.
Wasn't that Yukito having some sort of um what would you call it dream? Can't think of the word so tired.... but it didn't really happen it was his imagination.
Yeah, that seems right (given my very limited knowledge of Japanese). It's still odd of him to think such thoughts, though. ;)
Misuzu's age is a good question, was there ever any official info on that? In the game manual or manga perhaps? I would put here at around 16 or so. Obviously Yukito is probably around 20ish.
To my knowledge, there's no clear cut info about the ages of the three main girls, but most people seem to think they are between 16 and 17 years old. It would nice if there was an official source that info.
Hmm.. Misuzu comes of as a 16 year old to me.. the age kind of fits well with the story.
But yes, it would be good for official information.
buffboyali
2006-05-17, 17:45
i dont think I ever want to see this anime in its hentai version because it would just ruin the characters personalities that they build up. I mean the anime shows us how each girl is and then to all the sudden see them in hentai scenes is totally out of place. But its an H-game so they can do w/e.
buffboyali
2006-05-17, 17:45
edit: sorry double posted by accident
Summer, seems like time for AIR :) I don't quite understand how this could ever be adult. It just wouldnt seem right. The girls have too sweet of personalities.
16, mmm, I thought she was younger, but it doesn't seem all too far off. The other girls do seem around that age.
I'll have to watch it again, but does it seem that Yukito and Misuzu remember what happened in the past or no? There's kinda some confusing parts (like the children at the end), hopefully it'll make sense another time around.
Its enjoyable anyway
Orchunter226
2006-05-18, 00:03
I'll have to watch it again, but does it seem that Yukito and Misuzu remember what happened in the past or no? There's kinda some confusing parts (like the children at the end), hopefully it'll make sense another time around.
Its enjoyable anyway
Yea, I had to watch it like 3 times to really get everything (the ending is sad EVERY time). The kids at the end im still having trouble getting, i think they represent something, but what I don't know. My summer has just started, my last summer as a High School Student, so I think now is the perfect time to rewatch it!
Yea, I had to watch it like 3 times to really get everything (the ending is sad EVERY time). The kids at the end im still having trouble getting, i think they represent something, but what I don't know. My summer has just started, my last summer as a High School Student, so I think now is the perfect time to rewatch it!
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff compressed into those last few minutes. To me, it always feels like it ends three times...they could have ended with the aozora scene, and left it a tragedy; or they could have ended it after Haruko's speech to Sora, and left it hopeful; instead, they end with the kids on the beach, for a complete WTF? ending. I suppose it could still be viewed as hopeful, considering the boy's last line, and the fact that they're walking off hand-in-hand, something which couldn't have happened before, but still...
Yea, I had to watch it like 3 times to really get everything (the ending is sad EVERY time). The kids at the end im still having trouble getting, i think they represent something, but what I don't know. My summer has just started, my last summer as a High School Student, so I think now is the perfect time to rewatch it!
It is sad but soothing, I think drama's come off that way; like a drug or something.
Yea that's something interesting, summer after h.s. FL local? that's cool, same here... 'Think "Mickey"'=Orlando.
instead, they end with the kids on the beach, for a complete WTF?
Yeah, I wonder if it is any clearer in the game?
hoshino_crimsonwings
2006-05-20, 10:10
The kid in the end isn't exactly "Wtf', since your "spirit" in the AIR universe can travel to anytime frame, when you see Yukito disappearing infront of Misuzu's bed, he returns to the past; he finds Misuzu (Or she finds him) when she's at school; trying to get classmates to hang out with her (In which she fails). The "Kid" in the end is actually Yukito, and the girl is Misuzu (reincarnated like Yukito). That's what I heard somewhere.
beef jerky
2006-05-21, 08:57
spoilers: Text to be hidden In the end the 2 kids at the beach are Kanna and Ryuya because on ep. 9 uraha tells ryuya that when the curse breaks kanna will be able to live the cycle of life again and on ep. 12 the voice says that the last child bearing the memories of the stars will have happy memeories. Misuzu being one with inherited memories is able to have happy memories in the end which has to mean that the curse is broken because it is said "the last child who bears memories shall have happy ones." With her being the last one that means the curse is broken which means those to kids have to be kanna and ryuya.
This is all i my opinion but if u have any comments about it or questions feel free to post.
I think the two kids at the end are reincarnations of Yukito and Kanna/Misuzu.For one thing, the boy seems to know who Misuzu and Yukito are when he looked at them, indicating that he has information only attenable if he is: 1.)a viewer of the story (an audience), or 2.)a character of the story that has already lived through the entire story. Since option 1 is non-sensible, I think option 2 works best. Now continuing from that choice, it can be deducted that Yukito, as Sora the bird, is "somehow" able to find Kanna in the sky, is "somehow" able to break the spell, and is "somehow" able to get themselves reincarnated. Now borrwowing notes from beef jerky's explanination, it can be seen that because Misuzu's death may have been able to loosen/break the power of the curse on Kanna (but I don't think it did break since Misuzu still died). However, that event may have help Yukito freed Kanna when he actually finds her. Now perhaps when the curse is finally broken, Kanna can be reborn as a human with no problems (and perhaps Yukito will get to be reborn as a human as well, now that he doesn't need to be a bird any longer). Now we know the story in Air jumps from time to time, literally, so perhaps they get reborn in the past (who's to say reincarnation has to happen in the future). Also the boy's speech would suggest that both he and the girl are the result of the characters' journey through the story. He knows the characters will "suffer a cruel fate for the rest of their days", and implies that these kids are able to begin their lives due to the efforts of those characters.
As for the girl, I would say she is more likely to be Kanna and not Misuzu since she didn't seem to know Misuzu and Yukito, at least she didn't have the same reaction as the boy, and she has blue hair. However, she did seem to have some of Misuzu's memories since she is playing on the beach with a friend, a wish of Misuzu in Ep 1, and she is wearing a summer dress similar to the one wore by Misuzu in Ep 7 when Misuzu is suppose to go to the beach with Yukito. In a way the girl is completing Misuzu's wish.
Also I'd like to add something to the theory why Sora is a crow (and not an other bird); in Ep 7 Misuzu seems to be interested in a crow, so it makes some sense that Yukito came back as a crow to make sure he has Misuzu's attention, which worked as she is the one who went and talk to the crow (and not the other way around) in Ep 9.Now does anyone know what the name of Minagi's other sister is and what job does Haruko have before Misuzu's death? And should I watch Air the movie/Air Ep 13 after I finish the serie's Ep 1-12 and summer specials?
Regarding H scenes, I could care less for them in any game but obviously there is a significant group of Key fans, in Japan at least that want them.
The outrage by them over Key's "clean" CLANNAD is a good example, forcing Key to make a adult version semi sequel to the sotry.I'll never though that will happen. What is name of this sequel?
ForeverGoNe
2006-05-25, 06:23
I think the two kids at the end are reincarnations of Yukito and Kanna/Misuzu.For one thing, the boy seems to know who Misuzu and Yukito are when he looked at them, indicating that he has information only attenable if he is: 1.)a viewer of the story (an audience), or 2.)a character of the story that has already lived through the entire story. Since option 1 is non-sensible, I think option 2 works best. Now continuing from that choice, it can be deducted that Yukito, as Sora the bird, is "somehow" able to find Kanna in the sky, is "somehow" able to break the spell, and is "somehow" able to get themselves reincarnated. Now borrwowing notes from beef jerky's explanination, it can be seen that because Misuzu's death may have been able to loosen/break the power of the curse on Kanna (but I don't think it did break since Misuzu still died). However, that event may have help Yukito freed Kanna when he actually finds her. Now perhaps when the curse is finally broken, Kanna can be reborn as a human with no problems (and perhaps Yukito will get to be reborn as a human as well, now that he doesn't need to be a bird any longer). Now we know the story in Air jumps from time to time, literally, so perhaps they get reborn in the past (who's to say reincarnation has to happen in the future). Also the boy's speech would suggest that both he and the girl are the result of the characters' journey through the story. He knows the characters will "suffer a cruel fate for the rest of their days", and implies that these kids are able to begin their lives due to the efforts of those characters.
As for the girl, I would say she is more likely to be Kanna and not Misuzu since she didn't seem to know Misuzu and Yukito, at least she didn't have the same reaction as the boy, and she has blue hair. However, she did seem to have some of Misuzu's memories since she is playing on the beach with a friend, a wish of Misuzu in Ep 1, and she is wearing a summer dress similar to the one wore by Misuzu in Ep 7 when Misuzu is suppose to go to the beach with Yukito. In a way the girl is completing Misuzu's wish.
Also I'd like to add something to the theory why Sora is a crow (and not an other bird); in Ep 7 Misuzu seems to be interested in a crow, so it makes some sense that Yukito came back as a crow to make sure he has Misuzu's attention, which worked as she is the one who went and talk to the crow (and not the other way around) in Ep 9.Now does anyone know what the name of Minagi's other sister is and what job does Haruko have before Misuzu's death? And should I watch Air the movie/Air Ep 13 after I finish the serie's Ep 1-12 and summer specials?
I'll never though that will happen. What is name of this sequel?
The purpose of Haruko being there before Misuzu's death was so that she could have a second chance actually acting as a real mother for Misuzu. This opportunity only came after Yukito sacrificed himself and reincarnated as Sora. Misuzu being able to spend time with Haruko that summer made it 'complete' for her before she passed away.
Amaranthine
2006-05-25, 07:24
For one thing, the boy seems to know who Misuzu and Yukito are when he looked at them, indicating that he has information only attenable if he is: 1.)a viewer of the story (an audience), or 2.)a character of the story that has already lived through the entire story. Since option 1 is non-sensible, I think option 2 works best. Now continuing from that choice, it can be deducted that Yukito, as Sora the bird, is "somehow" able to find Kanna in the sky, is "somehow" able to break the spell, and is "somehow" able to get themselves reincarnated. Now borrwowing notes from beef jerky's explanination, it can be seen that because Misuzu's death may have been able to loosen/break the power of the curse on Kanna (but I don't think it did break since Misuzu still died). However, that event may have help Yukito freed Kanna when he actually finds her. Now perhaps when the curse is finally broken, Kanna can be reborn as a human with no problems (and perhaps Yukito will get to be reborn as a human as well, now that he doesn't need to be a bird any longer). Now we know the story in Air jumps from time to time, literally, so perhaps they get reborn in the past (who's to say reincarnation has to happen in the future). Also the boy's speech would suggest that both he and the girl are the result of the characters' journey through the story. He knows the characters will "suffer a cruel fate for the rest of their days", and implies that these kids are able to begin their lives due to the efforts of those characters.
As for the girl, I would say she is more likely to be Kanna and not Misuzu since she didn't seem to know Misuzu and Yukito, at least she didn't have the same reaction as the boy, and she has blue hair. However, she did seem to have some of Misuzu's memories since she is playing on the beach with a friend, a wish of Misuzu in Ep 1, and she is wearing a summer dress similar to the one wore by Misuzu in Ep 7 when Misuzu is suppose to go to the beach with Yukito. In a way the girl is completing Misuzu's wish.
Also I'd like to add something to the theory why Sora is a crow (and not an other bird); in Ep 7 Misuzu seems to be interested in a crow, so it makes some sense that Yukito came back as a crow to make sure he has Misuzu's attention, which worked as she is the one who went and talk to the crow (and not the other way around) in Ep 9.
She sees a crow in episode 1 as well, when theyre looking for the doll.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9274/crow03kt.png
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3259/crow106mn.png
I didn't think of that before, and I don't know that I would have if you hadn't pointed it out, but it makes perfect sense. So thanks for that. ^^
Also, I don't remember which episode it was in, but didn't Kanna want to go to the beach as well? I thought that was why Misuzu wanted to play at the beach, because she's a part of Kanna, rather than the it being a reincarnation of Kanna wanting to because of Misuzu's memories at the end.
I do think that it's Kanna rather than Misuzu, but she's not necessarily exactly the same Kanna as we see during the Summer arc. Misuzu was a part of her, and so were all the girls who came before her, and she has their memories. In a way that makes them like her own memories, but each girl was (at least judging by the only one we see, Misuzu), unique in their own right. They're a "part" of her because the soul of a winged being can't be fully contained in a human body, but if they had the body of a winged being, they'd just be a reincarnation of Kanna. So... Misuzu is Kanna, and at the same time she isn't. (This is all the just the way I see it (obviously), and I can't explain it particularly well. :/) So I think that in the same way, the girl we see on the beach at the end is Kanna... but also not Kanna, she's a unique person just like Misuzu and the girls before her... but probaby more of Kanna than any other girl. In a way it's like there's a part of all of them in her, just like there was a part of her in all of them.
It's possible to apply a similar train of thought to the boy, but there's less reason to do so. It would be nice to think though, that there's something of Ryuuya, and everyone who struggled for Kanna's sake after him, in that boy who walks off holding her hand at the end of the series. ;)
That was poorly explained, but I don't think I can do any better right now. I'm just interpreting this optimistically... which is a change for me.
She sees a crow in episode 1 as well, when theyre looking for the doll.
Also, I don't remember which episode it was in, but didn't Kanna want to go to the beach as well? I thought that was why Misuzu wanted to play at the beach, because she's a part of Kanna, rather than the it being a reincarnation of Kanna wanting to because of Misuzu's memories at the end.
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It's possible to apply a similar train of thought to the boy, but there's less reason to do so. It would be nice to think though, that there's something of Ryuuya, and everyone who struggled for Kanna's sake after him, in that boy who walks off holding her hand at the end of the series. ;) Well, it seems liked I missed a scene. ;)
I don't think Kanna actually wanted to go play at the beach, since she never even heard of the ocean until shortly before she was shot at/curse on. Even then she only imagine what life would be like living by the ocean, which is a different thought from wanting to play on the beach. I just rewatched Ep 8 and 9, (most of the summer arc except the little bit at the end of Ep 7), and Kanna never mentioned anything about the beach.
I suppose my reasoning behind who the boy is is not quite concrete. However, since Yukito was also affected by the curse, when he got that slash in Ep 7, I thought that maybe breaking the curse for Kanna may have some effect on him too (even as Sora). But your explaination is good too; its hard to really make sense of the ending (someone go ask the story writers from KEY).
Amaranthine
2006-05-26, 08:34
I don't think Kanna actually wanted to go play at the beach, since she never even heard of the ocean until shortly before she was shot at/curse on. Even then she only imagine what life would be like living by the ocean, which is a different thought from wanting to play on the beach. I just rewatched Ep 8 and 9, (most of the summer arc except the little bit at the end of Ep 7), and Kanna never mentioned anything about the beach.
I wasn't sure, but I didn't have time to go through the Summer arc and check. Your thoughts on that seem to be right then, and it still fits with my theory. :p
About the boy, the most obvious explanation is that he's the reincarnation of Yukito and Yukito alone. My idea was just something that occurred to me when I was thinking about Kanna and all of that stuff. But I'm going to choose to believe it for now, unless I'm proven wrong by the KEY's story writers, like you say. ^^;
To be honest though, I don't know that I'd want a concrete answer to all of this. I like endings that are open to interpretation, at least when they're done well. And this is done very well, IMO.
hoshino_crimsonwings
2006-05-26, 13:16
Interesting read, I'm glad there are so many AIR fans still. <3 that anime alot. About the girl and the kid in the end, as I previously mentioned; in AIR, "spirits" can travel into any time and any place, that's how Yukito traveled back in time when he became the Crow, and thus possibly how he transformed into the kid as well. Notice that the scene where the kid meets Yukito and Misuzu, I think it was the end of the first episode?
Earlier. It was between the OP of the first episode and the beginning of the episode, if I remember correctly. It's when Misuzu said she spent the afternoon sitting next to the sleeping Yukito, watching the kids play on the beach, and wishing that he would wake up and they could play together.
As for Kanna wanting to go to the beach - that was in one of the Summer Special episodes wasn't it? I'm planning on watching AIR again soon, after my exams are over in two weeks. And the Summer Special is almost as sad in it's own way as the final two episodes of the AIR arc - if only for the horrible irony of Kanna's final words to the gorgeous little bunny she adopts.
I miss waiting until 3am to watch the latest episode of AIR. Strange, but true. :)
-Andiyar
I miss waiting until 3am to watch the latest episode of AIR. Strange, but true. :)
Heh, thats a feeling that shall never go away.
Ah well, almost Summer - Air rewatch time. ^_^
Hi,
I watched Air(movie) recently and as I read through this thread afterwards I noticed that I should have watched the series first. Well anyway...there is something that I'm unsure about.
1) Misuzu is a winged human with the curse, right? And how did she end up having the curse?
2) I have read something before about Crow in this thread, but it all got mixed up in my head. Could someone please explain who "Crow" is and what his part in the story is.
Please explain this questions to me in relation to the movie, because I'm planning on watching the series after my exams(just three more days!).
Thank You(I hope that my request doesn't sound somehow rude)
Please explain this questions to me in relation to the movie, because I'm planning on watching the series after my exams(just three more days!).
It's probably best to think of the movie and the anime as two completely different stories. They happen to share the same characters and setting, but other than that, there's really not much of a direct relationship between the two. The movie is a more or less conventional tragic love story, paralleling Yukito/Misuzu with the legend of Ryuuya/Kanna. The anime is, well, a lot more than that.
Like your question, this is not meant to be rude at all -- I just don't want to spoil anything for you. But with that said, the best answer I can give is to suggest that you watch the anime, then come back and join in the fun of figuring it all out. ;)
combat kitten
2006-05-30, 19:13
I was wondering if the last episode in Air, the one with singing the vocal version of Ao sora, if not can anyone give me some info on it pwease :< thank you :3
Wait, what are you wondering again? :)
combat kitten
2006-06-01, 01:58
Wait, what are you wondering again? :)
was wondering if thats what the song is called o_o
aosora vocal ? :confused:
im thinking of going to my local anime shop if that song is in the cd.
was wondering if thats what the song is called o_o
aosora vocal ? :confused:
im thinking of going to my local anime shop if that song is in the cd.
It's just called aozora, or 青空 if you prefer. The instrumental version that you hear several times during the series is called giniro, or 銀色. Both are on the AIR original soundtrack (tracks 22 and 23), which you can get from amazon.co.jp at http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006IUSD/ref=pd_ys_ir_all_5/503-6214511-9513560?%5Fencoding=UTF8, or himeyashop at http://www.himeyashop.com/product_info.php/products_id/695, and probably from other places as well...I just mention those two because I've had good luck with them so far. But if your local anime shop has it, or can get it for you, then by all means support them.
I hope this helps...
The artist who performs Aozora is LIA from I've Sound - for more of her work, check out her site (http://lias-cafe.com/) - note it's a Japanese only site. :)
And another place to pick up the AIR OST that I've had good experiences with is AnimeJungle (http://jungle-scs.co.jp/en/) - check under their Game Music section. :)
-Andiyar
Does giniro actually mean "silver color"?
Does giniro actually mean "silver color"?
Yes -- that's the literal meaning of the kanji used. I'm not sure why they gave that version of the song a different name, but I assume it's a reference to that line in the bridge that translates to something like "Summer has come again, silvery light casts our shadows on the water". Maybe it's because the shortened instrumental version is just a shadow or reflection of the full version of the song?
While on the topic of music tracks, does anyone else here like the the orgel (music box style) versions of Tori no uta and Aozora? I LOVE these typs of tracks.
The Tori no Uta orgel version (named Hane on the OST) seems downright haunting.
The Aozora orgel version is also called Giniro and I forget if they played it during the naime itself but it's brings tears immediately when hearing it.
A sie note Kanon also had a bunch of orgel version, notably of course "Last Regrets."
Yeah, Hane's a nice track on the OST - just like each and every track, it has a certain meaning that means to so to Air.
The Tori no Uta orgel version (named Hane on the OST) seems downright haunting.
The Aozora orgel version is also called Giniro and I forget if they played it during the naime itself but it's brings tears immediately when hearing it.
Hane = haunting...definitely. I think they actually used the orgel version of Giniro a couple of times during the anime, but right now the only time I can remember for certain is in Ryuuya's farewell scene, leading into him and Uraha meeting again and setting off to look for Kanna.In keeping with the topic, I've got to mention that I'm really fond of Natsukage...the wonderful piano melody, the arrangement and the way it goes from diffidently upbeat to almost ominous and moody before the original theme comes back so brightly. Add to that the associations it brings back from the places it's used in the anime, and wow...I don't think I could ever get tired of listening to it. The Kanon / AIR Piano Arrange Album, Re-feel, has a nice version of it too, as well as Denshou, Aozora, Yumegatari, and Tori no Uta.
There's even a CD single (http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000079505/qid%3D1149906624/250-7887284-6503411) available that has a vocal version...it's quite different, but it grew on me very quickly. Now I know what Enya would sound like if she were Japanese... :)
There's even a CD single (http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000079505/qid%3D1149906624/250-7887284-6503411) available that has a vocal version...it's quite different, but it grew on me very quickly. Now I know what Enya would sound like if she were Japanese... :)
Lia's version is too sad for me. I personnally prefer the doujin version sung by 茶太 in Game Music Library's Airness, its' much happier.
In addition to the official albums, some of the doujin ones are quite good as well, e.g. Air Aria by Resound Wav and Faraway by Pine. Unfortunately, most of them can only be found in Yahoo JP (with a high price tag). :(
Lia's version is too sad for me. I personnally prefer the doujin version sung by 茶太 in Game Music Library's Airness, its' much happier.
In addition to the official albums, some of the doujin ones are quite good as well, e.g. Air Aria by Resound Wav and Faraway by Pine. Unfortunately, most of them can only be found in Yahoo JP (with a high price tag). :(
Interesting...personally, I don't mind sad (if I did, would I be an Air fan? ;) ), but I'd love to hear those other versions as well. I always hear the original song as being fairly happy; yes, there's that middle section, but it comes back almost triumphantly afterwards. A vocal version of the song that still keeps that feeling ought to be something special indeed...thanks for the recommendations; I'll have to see if I can track those down.
I sometimes personally compare the tune with "Amazing Grace" which, regardless of one's faith, is quite compelling. I would not mind Aozora sung at my memorial.
Some music just hits that "bigger picture" part of the brain.
Hane = haunting...definitely. I think they actually used the orgel version of Giniro a couple of times during the anime, but right now the only time I can remember for certain is in Ryuuya's farewell scene, leading into him and Uraha meeting again and setting off to look for Kanna.
It also appeared with Yukito & Misuzu first felt the power of Kano's feather.
I haven't seen her age definitively stated anywhere, but personally, I'd put her at sixteen -- consider the shot of her birthday cake in episode two:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d146/onallama/AIR/MisuzusCake.jpg
I count twelve candles, and it looks like 1/4th of the cake has been removed so far, implying that it would have had sixteen candles on it originally.Nice theory :) But in the movie version, she seemed much older to me and Yukito seemed a bit younger than he is in the TV version. I wonder if anyone can eat an onigiri or a piece of cake like Yukito did. I mean he swallowed the whole thing like it was nothing. He really got a big mouth :heh:
Haruko is Misuzu's mother's sister, right? I noticed that in the TV series, she is the younger sister but in the movie, she is the elder sister. I wonder if I'm right about that.
You're probably are right there - its amazing the amount of difference the Anime has to the movie - it's know easy to understand how the movie came about.
& nice idea about the cake Minoto. ^^
Nice theory :) But in the movie version, she seemed much older to me and Yukito seemed a bit younger than he is in the TV version. I wonder if anyone can eat an onigiri or a piece of cake like Yukito did. I mean he swallowed the whole thing like it was nothing. He really got a big mouth :heh:
Haruko is Misuzu's mother's sister, right? I noticed that in the TV series, she is the younger sister but in the movie, she is the elder sister. I wonder if I'm right about that.
I noticed the same thing about the movie...I've always wondered how much of the change is just the result of the different character design, and how much was done intentionally to reduce the age gap between Misuzu and Yukito. Just taking away the saucer-sized eyes that are a Key visual trademark seems to add another year or so to Misuzu's age, as does making her character design more rounded and less delicate...she actually has a relatively realistic design in the movie, but in comparison to the game or TV versions, she looks almost pudgy. The changes to Yukito are less extreme, but nonetheless leave him looking a bit younger as well.
The age gap wasn't that big of a deal in the series, because their relationship was basically Platonic. Given her link to Kanna, and his to Ryuuya, there must have been some subconscious recognition almost from the start, though he didn't fully remember and understand everything until later. To me at least, that helps explain why he settles into his role as Misuzu's babysitter / guardian so readily, even though it seems like a strange thing to be doing. Although he does come to care about her, he remains within his role as her guardian / protector. And she obviously looks up to and loves him, in her own childlike, innocent way, but the key word there is innocent.
The boldest thing she ever says to him in the series amounts to "Don't leave me, stay by my side forever," which is a long ways from something like "You can kiss me if you want," or "You can be more like my boyfriend" in the movie. Since the movie's story was changed to be much more of a standard love story, aimed at a more mainstream audience, it seems like reducing the age difference between the two characters would make it seem a bit more normal and acceptable.
I'm pretty sure Haruko is the younger sister in the series too...when she's at the shine on Misuzu's birthday, talking to Sora, she refers to her sister as "ane" (older sister), and then as she's praying on the way to the shine on the day of the festival, she uses "onee-chan" (again, older sister).
Edit: oops, ignore that...for some reason I read your comment the other way around. You're right about the difference -- good catch!
And yes -- watching Yukito eat is one of the funniest things in the whole series. Did Kano even get more than a bite or two of her lunch that one time? :p
It also appeared with Yukito & Misuzu first felt the power of Kano's feather.
Thanks for remembering that -- I knew I'd heard it elsewhere, but wasn't feeling energetic enough to run through the whole series again looking for it. :)
Why does Misuzu love dinosaur so much? She said something about romance. I really don't get it :confused:
Been a while since I saw it, and it's a minor detail at that. I'm pretty sure she did state a reason. The dinosaur does play a big role in the end because of Sora but as for her liking them in the first place, I have no idea.
It's in the earlier episodes in the first half.
fict_ticious
2006-06-19, 11:05
Why does Misuzu love dinosaur so much? She said something about romance. I really don't get it :confused:
Neither did I, but she did mention it had something to do with their extinction.
Why would that type of question need answering?
She likes dinsours because she posesses latent memories of the winged beings (as seen towards the end of ep 12 I believe).
I'm not sure whether I asked this before or not...anyway.
I should have some free time and I was wondering as to which should I watch first, Summer Special or AIR TV? (I already watched the movie btw :( - wrong move, I know...)
Thanks
Watch AIR TV before the Summer specials, partialy because they take place in the middle of the series.
outcast_within
2006-06-25, 03:09
I watched the series. But i really didn't get it.
What happened to the "sister" of the cool girl. She suddenly poofed away? (The cool girl is my favourite though. The way she said Ultra happy in episode 10 around 13:55. Was really nice. If i had a fast computer i would capture it :) )
Than there was this girl with a bracelet who was possesed with the spirit of a sad mother. How did the feather connect with the wings of Goa girl?
Why was this story told? was it just a side story or did it mean anything to the goa girl story?.
The kids on the beach in the last episode , what's their meaning? are they going to both search for the reincarnation of goa girl?
Is there somewhere on the internet a top ten f.a.q. about things you didn't understand about air? ^_^ if not i'll help someone composing it
Amaranthine
2006-06-25, 04:32
I watched the series. But i really didn't get it.
What happened to the "sister" of the cool girl. She suddenly poofed away? (The cool girl is my favourite though. The way she said Ultra happy in episode 10 around 13:55. Was really nice. If i had a fast computer i would capture it :) )
Than there was this girl with a bracelet who was possesed with the spirit of a sad mother. How did the feather connect with the wings of Goa girl?
Why was this story told? was it just a side story or did it mean anything to the goa girl story?.
The kids on the beach in the last episode , what's their meaning? are they going to both search for the reincarnation of goa girl?
Is there somewhere on the internet a top ten f.a.q. about things you didn't understand about air? ^_^ if not i'll help someone composing it
Michiru dided before she was born, but her spirit met Kanna and used one of her feathers to return to earth, because she knew how much trouble there was with her mother and Minagi. When they're reunited and happy again she no longer has a place there, so she returns Kanna's feather, bringing with it happy memories. She poofed away because she wasn't exactly real...
(And Minagi's my favourite too, btw. ;))
The feather was Kanna's feather; when Kano was able to meet and thank her mother she overcame the "possession", after that the feather returned to Kanna and brought with it that happy memory. So it is important, as it would contribute to breaking the curse that was placed on Kanna. It's also important in a storytelling sense and all that, but if you've watched it I'm sure you can see why.
There's no definite answer as to what the kids at the end mean. There are some post about it though. A couple of examples are this (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=567612&postcount=58) and this (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=569828&postcount=60). Yes, I wrote one of those. That's why I could find them easily to give examples. ^^;
There's also some stuff in the recovered thread content (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=409252&postcount=2) near the beginning of this thread. If you don't want to go through all that, here's one short explanantion.
OshadowO
2005-10-24, 00:57
ok i'll try and answer what i can, but most of this is still open to interpretation.
1)Misuzu dies and her soul returns to the sky but this time with happy memories she got from having spent the time with her mother. There's a bit more to it though. There's debate as to whether or not the two kids seen in the ending were yukito and misuzu reincarnated.
And the last one... hmmm, not that I know of. I think everything's answered throughout this thread though...
I'm not sure whether I asked this before or not...anyway.
I should have some free time and I was wondering as to which should I watch first, Summer Special or AIR TV? (I already watched the movie btw :( - wrong move, I know...)
Thanks
Watch the summer specials half way through episode 8 :) Or, after episode 8 if you'd rather not stop mid-episode. That's chronologically where they fit in and it might make 9 a bit more powerful to have seen it that way.
outcast_within
2006-06-25, 05:35
Michiru dided before she was born, but her spirit met Kanna and used one of her feathers to return to earth, because she knew how much trouble there was with her mother and Minagi. When they're reunited and happy again she no longer has a place there, so she returns Kanna's feather, bringing with it happy memories. She poofed away because she wasn't exactly real...
(And Minagi's my favourite too, btw. ;))
The feather was Kanna's feather; when Kano was able to meet and thank her mother she overcame the "possession", after that the feather returned to Kanna and brought with it that happy memory. So it is important, as it would contribute to breaking the curse that was placed on Kanna. It's also important in a storytelling sense and all that, but if you've watched it I'm sure you can see why.
There's no definite answer as to what the kids at the end mean. There are some post about it though. A couple of examples are this (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=567612&postcount=58) and this (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=569828&postcount=60). Yes, I wrote one of those. That's why I could find them easily to give examples. ^^;
There's also some stuff in the recovered thread content (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=409252&postcount=2) near the beginning of this thread. If you don't want to go through all that, here's one short explanantion.
OshadowO
2005-10-24, 00:57
ok i'll try and answer what i can, but most of this is still open to interpretation.
1)Misuzu dies and her soul returns to the sky but this time with happy memories she got from having spent the time with her mother. There's a bit more to it though. There's debate as to whether or not the two kids seen in the ending were yukito and misuzu reincarnated.
And the last one... hmmm, not that I know of. I think everything's answered throughout this thread though...
Cool thanks for answering the questions. I'm now into it that i'll read the whole topic ^_^
AznOverThere
2006-07-17, 13:42
i watched the seris twice started to get the pionts i didnt befor but the ending..well is to sad >< but i dont really get what the kid ment by "for them cruel days ahead, but for us a new beggining".... o_0 but in my opinin i think this was one of my fav anime =)
if he becomes a crow how would he save kanna or misuzi?or if he fails how will the next generation set her free if hes a crow..?
flair627
2006-07-20, 00:09
What exactly is the aozora scene and how does the anime series version differ from the game version?? Is it the scene with the song thats not the OP or ED?
What exactly is the aozora scene and how does the anime series version differ from the game version?? Is it the scene with the song thats not the OP or ED?
Episode 12, 11:23 - 18:17 or so...the song playing from 12:48 through 14:26 is Giniro (a shortened, instrumental version of Aozora), while Aozora itself comes in from 14:47 to about 18:17. One could say that the scene itself is a bit shorter than that, considering that the most emotional part of the scene ends around 16:15, and the rest is just follow-up, but that should give you the general idea.
I can't really say for sure how it differs from the game, as I haven't gotten that far yet, but from what I've read, the game does a better job of explaining the events (which are somewhat compressed in the anime) leading up to this scene, and it's easier to understand and even more emotionally effective when it occurs. To which, all I can say is "wow..."
I just finished the TV series and Summer Special.
"Sugoi" is all I have to say. Episode 11 and start of episode 12 really made me cry. It's just so much better than the movie, but the movie is allright if you don't want to spend 6 hours watching the whole series.
Oh, and my question:
How did Yukito break the curse?
There's a variety of opinion on whether he *broke* the curse or just made substantial headway in weakening it. I get the impression that previous cycles had made little or no headway and THIS cycle was important because progress was made.
caveat: I've not really built up the nerve to watch the movie because the series messed me up for so long... a lot of my kin (including two younger brothers) have died over the years and the climax of the series just really busted some nice walls I'd constructed for myself. I still tighten up when I hear Aozora ... though its a beautiful tune.
Rengemaru
2006-07-24, 08:59
I don't he broke the seal because like what Ureha said in episode 9
The curse that has taken Kanna captive will break someday. When that happens, Kanna-sama's spirit will return to earth and will probably repeat the cycle of life.
However, transferring the spirit of a winged being to a human is like transforming the water of an ocean to a small container.
Before it finishes pouring in, the container will break.
Kanna-sama's spirit, without time to heal, will return to the cycle of life.
So actually the curse has already been lifted long before Yukito meet Misuzu.
But the true question remains "Did Kanna's wounds were healed and were she able to reincarnate as a normal humen being?"
OK.. that makes sense
(since she's able to return at all for short periods). But clearly there's still a lot of "rescuing" to do over future cycles (or maybe it is better called aid/repair/rehabilitation). The two children at the beach and their cryptic remarks ... (in that odd bit of reverse overlapping timeline incarnation) ... may indicate that she has been healed but I've seen too many pie fights over that idea to really set myself on any strict interpretation.
Rengemaru
2006-07-24, 11:15
I agree but....
that will remain a mystery until the writer or KEY explain it or publish a sequel to it, but it's feared that AIR might become the 2nd evangelion that way. So in my openion, leave it as it is
Amaranthine
2006-07-24, 12:21
I don't he broke the seal because like what Ureha said in episode 9
The curse that has taken Kanna captive will break someday. When that happens, Kanna-sama's spirit will return to earth and will probably repeat the cycle of life.
However, transferring the spirit of a winged being to a human is like transforming the water of an ocean to a small container.
Before it finishes pouring in, the container will break.
Kanna-sama's spirit, without time to heal, will return to the cycle of life.
So actually the curse has already been lifted long before Yukito meet Misuzu.
But the true question remains "Did Kanna's wounds were healed and were she able to reincarnate as a normal humen being?"
Hrrm, I don't agree... don't feel like I'm trying to sway you to my point of view though. I think everyone should stick with the interpretation that makes the most sense to them initially... I just like to present my view of it as well. ^^;
Disclaimer: I find this series easier to understand intuitively rather than rationally and intellectually. Hence this might not be the greatest expanation ever.
I don't believe that her reincarnations are an indication that the curse has lifted, in fact I believe quite the opposite. The curse is forcing her spirit to be reincarnated, and not allowing it to heal. She's suffering, and her spirit needs a period without reincarnation to shake off the effects of the curse... but another effect of the curse is that it doesn't allow her that time.¹ The lives of her reincarantions (er... it might or might not be helpful to know what I think about them, if you haven't already read it here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=569828&postcount=60)) are filled with more suffering, and the whole thing keeps on going. That's why happy memories were necessary to lift the curse. (Yes, I do think it was lifted.)
¹Or possibly one of these is because of a second curse, the one which her mother had... I honestly can't remember about that right now, sorry. :/ It doesn't make much difference though, the effects are what's most important here.
I have more to say on the lifting of the curse and a couple of other things now that I've started this (yes, I love this series), but it's too damn hot to get my thoughts straight. ~_~
And here's one reason I liked AIR... I like Amaranthine's theory too ... so I have 3 or 4 completely irreconcilable interpretations that I like :)
I just love stuff that doesn't have *one* right answer :)
Rengemaru
2006-07-24, 13:32
tell me about it, but i'm relaying on what the writer told us as in what Ureha said to Ryuuya in episode 9
your openion does make sense but Ureha stated that the curse will be lifted in time and THEN she will reincarnate. If it wasn't for that statement, your openion would be the most logical answer
But i don't know x.x it's so confusing, guess i'll need to dig into this topic again.
PS: Just saw the episode and Ureha exactly said (according to Koi's translation)
The curse that has taken Kanna captive will break someday. When that happens, Kanna-sama's spirit will return to earth and will probably repeat the cycle of life.
However, transferring the spirit of a winged being to a human is like transforming the water of an ocean to a small container.
Before it finishes pouring in, the container will break.
Kanna-sama's spirit, without time to heal, will return to the cycle of life.
HamiHami
2006-07-25, 19:43
hi~ i have a question..
does anyone know which group subbed Air, where they have the translator notes at the beginning and the in-folder preview of the file is just a black rectangle?
i changed the name of mine a long time ago so i dont remember... my air 3 and 4 are different and show a splash screen type thingy on the preview and they wont play good :(
i know for sure its not lunar.
thanks for any help!:)
That's Koi's (http://animesuki.com/group.php/354.html) version.
HamiHami
2006-07-25, 20:58
thank you very much :)
chintimz2
2006-07-29, 09:19
Hi I just recently finished watching AIR and I gotta admit it is a really good and thought provoking anime series, however after watching it there is this inconsistency that bugs me. I dunno if its a plot hole or something I just didn't pick up while watching it, so it'll be good if someone can offer an explaination to it.
Its related to Yukito's journey to break the curse placed on Kanna and the whether in the end he was able to break the curse or not.
Alot of people in the forum has said that he probably didn't, but here is something to think about....assuming he failed, how is he able to pass on his knowledge to future generations? I mean in the final episode of the set of episodes that detailed what happened 1000 years ago....it was said by Ryūya and Uraha that they will pass on this story to future generations until someone comes up with a solution to the problem. However, I assume here, that Yukito does not and hasn't produced any offsprings, wouldn't that mean with him turning into a crow, he is the last person in his family line that has knowledge of the curse.
So if he failed wouldn't that mean this whole 1000 years have been for nothing, well I guess thats the really pessimistic/ninhilistic way of looking at it.
So interputing what I said in another way, wouldn't that suggest that Yukoto has suceeded and has managed to break Kanna free from the curse
lol....I am kinda confused about that part....but apart from that everything else has been clear from reading previous posts.
Out of my pack of competing theories, more of them lean towards the idea the team succeeded on this round (particularly because of the comments of the boy and girl at the end). I'm not sure whether there actually had to be a physical "bloodline" but obviously the original pair thought that was important. It *looks* like Yukito's bloodline is done (or he no longer needs that connection to stay in touch). And Kanna's caretaker (gah forgot her name) ... her soul would appear in various formats... in this round she was Kanna's mother.
Perhaps all that is left now is to heal her spirit so she *can* be contained in a human frame??? Blurgh, I need to watch this thing again... preferably with a big bottle of sake to get through the sad parts again.
Your theory seems to be quite interesting. I "would" like to believe that the curse was lifted(it will make me much happier), but there are just too many questions which cannot be answered. However the comment that they boy made me incline to the fact that it was a success, but still...
Perhaps all that is left now is to heal her spirit so she *can* be contained in a human frame??? Blurgh, I need to watch this thing again... preferably with a big bottle of sake to get through the sad parts again.
I've always taken that remark as meaning that the soul of a winged being is too powerful / too vast to be contained in a normal human body...whether it's healed or not, a normal human body wouldn't be able to contain or withstand that kind of power. That would imply that the only way to save Kanna is to free her from the cycle of rebirth completely, since being reborn as a human would always be doomed to failure, and it's kinda hard for her to be reborn as a winged being now if she was the last one in the world 1000 years ago. However, it runs into problems with the general opinion that the boy and girl at the end do represent Ryuuya and Kanna...
Don't you just love something that can keep you arguing with yourself for months?
Amaranthine
2006-07-29, 14:35
My view of the ending is that yes, the boy and girl are reincarnations of Ryuuya and Kanna, and no, Kanna's soul can't be contained in human body (like Minoto said). So although I think the curse is broken, the ending is certainly bittersweet. She can have a happy life now... but she can't have a long one.
Rengemaru
2006-07-30, 17:06
Think about it this, what if the reincarnation Kanna is having is more like pouring parts of her vast souls into human containers? that would make it possible for her to reincarnate as a humen being after losing a big portion of her soul. That idea poped in my head early this morning.
And i do think the girl at the end is Kanna. Because since that girl is used in Air's logo, then she must have an importent or vital role in the series. Since an anime's Logo isn't anything to be choosen lightly. That's what i strongly beleive though.
I still haven't be able to rewatch this, but definitely there is a reason the little girl in the end is a key player.
Does it seem that those children have any idea what is going on with the story?
From the boy's comment at the end it looked like they(or at least the boy) had an idea. Of course she is a key player. Just read any post in this thread ad you'll find out. There are lots of theories and speculations here.
Rengemaru
2006-08-02, 19:19
I'm wondering why the boy in the end wanted to check the coastline and telling her that she wanted to know what's behind it. It wasn't a random thing he said, there should be some purpose behind it maybe since the girl was Kanna and she wanted to see the sea before she died
I'm wondering why the boy in the end wanted to check the coastline and telling her that she wanted to know what's behind it. It wasn't a random thing he said, there should be some purpose behind it maybe since the girl was Kanna and she wanted to see the sea before she died
Hmmm.... my interpretation based on the game materials:
In the game, "going to the sea side" had been mentioned several times:
When Yukito's mother recalled her own experience with the winged girl, she mentioned something like this : "The child would like to go to the sea side but I cannot bring her along. There were so much she would like to do but there was nothing I can do to fulfill her wishes....."
In addition, after Haruko left and Misuzu's health began to deteriorate, Yukito had attempted multiple times to take Misuzu to the sea side in order to cheer her up. Unfortunately, all attempts failed due to Misuzu's poor health (which in turn, was caused by her curse).
Up to that point, the different incarnations of the winged girl had never succeed in going to the sea side. IMO, it is a symbolic way of saying the curse is still there and hurting the winged girl.
After Yukito sacrificed himself by turning into Sora and temporarily improved Misuzu's health, Misuzu finally had the chance to have some fun at the sea side with Haruko . Later, these happy memories helped to break the curse (as hinted by the ancient poem passed from Kanna's mother to Kanna about the winged people : "if the last surviving member of the winged people can possess a happy memory, then our race's mission (of witnessing all that happened on the planet and passing the memories from one generation to another ) will be completed and we can finally take a long rest (i.e. no more memory passing) ")
At the end of the story, by portraying the girl can freely play at the sea side, I think it is a symbolic way to say the curse has been broken and the girl can live a normal life again.
IIRC, most of the above materials are covered in the animation as well. However, unlike the game when they are repeated multiple times, they are only mentioned once or twice and are easily missed.
Anyway, as I have mentioned in my previous post, there is no official anwser and the ending is an open ended one. Whether the story has a bitter-sweet ending or a sad ending depends entirely on your own interpretation. :)
Rengemaru
2006-08-03, 14:22
I really need to see the animation again, how could i've missed those points, I feel like a newb T.T
Anyway thx for your answer nani~
Lungkisser
2006-08-18, 22:54
I have a question and didn't feel like making a new thread for it so hopefully someone can answer it here. I'm watching through Air again (it's been awhile) and I'm wondering if anyone knows what order I should watch them in if I wanted to throw in the two Summer Specials in the middle instead of saving them for last, or if that's even possible. Just FYI, I've only seen 1-12, haven't watched the Summer Specials before so wouldn't know myself.
...I'm wondering if anyone knows what order I should watch them in if I wanted to throw in the two Summer Specials in the middle instead of saving them for last, or if that's even possible. Just FYI, I've only seen 1-12, haven't watched the Summer Specials before so wouldn't know myself.
Personally, I'd save the Summer Specials for last. Chronologically, they come about in the middle of episode 8, and basically just fill in the first part of the journey that takes place in that episode. They make what happens later even more poignant, by giving you a better understanding of how the characters' relations grew up to that point, but they're not required viewing to understand the rest of the Summer arc. So with that in mind, I'd rather watch 1-12, to get the the whole story back fresh in my memory, then watch the specials to add that extra understanding and enjoyment of what I've just seen.
I suppose it would be possible to watch episode 8 up to the right point, then stop it and watch the specials, and finally return to the right point in episode 8, but to me it seems like more trouble than it's worth. You'll be seeing at least some duplicated material either way, but I think it's less of an issue if you're returning to it after having watched the full series.
Whichever way you choose to go, enjoy them -- they're well worth watching. :)
Toss them right in between ep. 8 and 9. Or, alternatively, during the second half of ep. 8, jump back and forth between ep. 8 itself and the Summer specials (like anyone would do that... :heh:)
Edit: and I was beaten... :)
panzerfan
2006-08-25, 09:45
Now that I think of it, perhaps one thing that might have eluded Uraha and Ryuya about the crushing soul of the winged beings is this:
Why would you use only 1 container at any given time to hold the water of the ocean? That and couldn't a container offload itself to another? As long there's countless containers that will carryover what floods out of the next the containers will last much longer... if not drain the ocean eventually. No individual will have to bear the full weight alone by having a growing reservoir of container. Of course, that will mean myriads of prople will have soul portion of winged being, which also satisfies Rengemaru's comment on losing a big part of the soul.
Rengemaru
2006-08-25, 10:58
Since the curse has been lifted, Kanna's soul is reincarnated into a human container (as a last effect of the curse or just because of the nature of life/souls/nature, make your pick). It could be that:
1.As some has said, her soul is going around in circles of reincarnation but it's not possible according to Uraha's statement at the end of the summer arc. (Human body can't contain a winged being's soul)
2.Having her soul being drained into small fragments in little human containers (compared to the Winged being's containers). Where every container shatters/dies whenever it's filled, and then moves into the next container.
Although many people would prefer theory 1 but it's not efficint to free Kanna from this. But in the end she was freed and finally got the chance to life a normal life, thus theory 2 should be the best choice for now.
A question pops into our mind, what is the fate of Kanna's incarnations? Are they treated like the lives of normal human beings or are they gathered back again or something?
Another question would, why was the legend called 1000th summer? since it was a folklore for atleast 300 years if not more. I think it's another clue to stating that Kanna has finally gained a normal life.
panzerfan
2006-08-26, 21:06
Well what I pieced together from all the speculations would be that...
1. The torrent of Kanna's soul breaks any one individual container and that the assumption I have based on what I've seen is that there's supposely only 1 container at any given time.
2. Kannabinomikoto's soul started the reincarnation cycle after her banishment curse wanes, which took 200-300 years.
3. After Fujiwara no Michinaga took absolute control from the emperor at about A.D 1000(they appeased the Buddhist elements by supressing any related material regarding to the winged beings.) he elevated Buddhism.
4. In the history books it stated that there were buddhist faction infightings that essentially ended during AD 995 with the burning of the Temple that Kannabinomokoto was held at by lightning strike. I suppose that if you look at that from the POV of AIR's storyline you can assume that the record was altered to the benefit of the Fujiwara cloistered rulership.
5. After the fall of Fujiwara (took only a century) and going into the era of strife that ended with the beginning of Kamakura period, the entire story of the winged being was covered up and ignored.
I always see the 1000th summer as merely a millennia has come to pass since the banishment of Kannabinomikoto. From the looks of it, none of the container gets to maturity, they all lead solitary existence and... normal I suppose means allowed to reincarnate, not so much to 'live normally'.
I really wanted to ask this long ago but then, I forgot. "Does Yukito has any other relatives?" :confused:
We see Yukito's mother in a flashback, who apparently places her soul into the doll that Yukito carries around with him. I do not think much else was revealed of her though, other than she too was a magical puppet master. And, I don't think anything was mentioned of any other potential relatives, such as siblings or even a father.
Rengemaru
2006-08-27, 17:23
Yes, there was no clue or hint about that. But that could be answered better depending on game materials, but from the anime POV, big NOPE
Well, I just started watching this, and I was confused after He disapeared in the 7-8th eppie, What happened? Then you see something new. But I can't tell, is it like the past or something? or is it a totally different story?
NoSanninWa
2006-09-04, 23:47
Well, I just started watching this, and I was confused after He disapeared in the 7-8th eppie, What happened? Then you see something new. But I can't tell, is it like the past or something? or is it a totally different story?
Episodes 8-9 comprise the Summer Arc. This takes place in the distant past, during the Heian period of history, 794 to 1185 AD. While this is a totally different story, it is related to the story of the present. Watch it and you'll see how the events of that time created Misuzu's situation now.
Samatarou
2006-09-06, 16:58
how is he able to pass on his knowledge to future generations?
.... Yukito hasn't produced any offsprings
See, those scenes in the H-game are important! He may well have produced offspring!
Re pouring big souls into small containers, I think the water analogy only works up to a point. I think of a soul as a unitary thing, I don't see how you could decant it amongst a number of containers. The way I see it, the whole of it goes into one person, e.g. Misuzu. However it takes time to reach its full potential so it doesn't kill her right away. It's like when Skuld put too powerful an engine into Keiichi's motorbike, when he opened the throttle it shook it to pieces.
The only solution for the soul thing is for the cycle of reincarnation to stop, through her achieving peace. My disappointment with the series was that this didn't seem to have happened, even though some happy memories were generated. However this assumes that the children at the end were the next cycle.
panzerfan
2006-09-06, 21:22
Depends on how you come to look at it. From Christian POV, no matter the sect, the 'active force' would be the closest thing to this and flows forth like water. From a Buddhist POV soul really is individualistic and indivisible... atomic in some ways.
That said, in transmission of data, you can breakup a whole into packets... and you can divide a file into several chunks. In streaming of data, as long as the segments are in contiguous order you can view their content (making sense of a fragment is another story).
Rengemaru
2006-09-07, 08:45
Re pouring big souls into small containers, I think the water analogy only works up to a point. I think of a soul as a unitary thing, I don't see how you could decant it amongst a number of containers. The way I see it, the whole of it goes into one person, e.g. Misuzu. However it takes time to reach its full potential so it doesn't kill her right away.
Each of us would have a POV on this issue but think of it this way, why did the writer choose this analogy? The only true solution/answer to this issue is what the writer had in mind, even if he did it in a way so everyone would have their own thought about it and all those thoughts would be correct.
This is kinda similer to Evangelion's philosophy
justMartin
2006-10-15, 11:13
This may have been asked before, but since the forum search too doesn't work for me i'll ask anyway...
In ep 4, what is the song called after kano meets her mother. How come it is not on the OST? And where can I find it?
Thx
I believe that would be "giniro", and if that's the case, it is on the OST (track 23?).
I think he's referring to Shiraho's lullaby -- the song right after the conclusion of Kano's meeting with her mother. Koi's translation notes mention that the melody is similar to a traditional lullaby called Edo Lullaby, but the words are different.
That scene is in the game, but the lines of the song are just superimposed over the CG of Shiraho standing in the field, one by one...there's no actual vocal performance of the song in the game. I assume that it would be on disc 2 of the OST with the other unused game music if they'd recorded it, intending to use it, but then found that it had to be left out for reasons of space or whatever. So, most likely, it was a new recording made for use in the anime, and probably isn't available anywhere else.
That song is not on either of the two AIR Game OSTS's. I'm guessing it is an anime only feature put in by KyoAni.
If you want it that much I don't see why you can't just rip it from the episode using virtualdub^^
Get virtualdub: www.virtualdub.org
Open the video file and move slider to where the song starts.
Goto edit menu> "Set selection start"
Go to where the song ends.
Goto edit menu> "Set selection end"
Then File menu>Save wav
justMartin
2006-10-16, 14:07
thank you for the help, I'll give it a shot with virtaldub.
This has pry already been asked but what is the name of the air tv op?
Deathkillz
2006-11-05, 05:02
its called " Tori no Uta "
Hi,
I'm downloading AIR now. Episodes 1-13 and the Prelude. I see that there are some movies as well. What order should I watch the series in? Should I start with the Prelude or start with EP1?
Thanks!
~Tasdern~
SealedTears
2006-11-20, 16:18
Hi,
I'm downloading AIR now. Episodes 1-13 and the Prelude. I see that there are some movies as well. What order should I watch the series in? Should I start with the Prelude or start with EP1?
Thanks!
~Tasdern~
i think i did it the wrong way, but i watch the movie (then cryd and broke down)
then watch the serie (and cryd some here and there)
then watchd the spesial ( it was fun and worth watching)
so thats how i did it, but if u dont want to totaly get a break down, watch the serie first so u can "preper" ur self to the movie.
sry for my bad english
@ Tasdern
You don't really need to watch the prelude, it's actually more of a trailer than anything else - so just start witih episode 1 and go from there.
As for the movie vs. TV series order... well, I and many of the people here watched the TV series first as it was available, unlike the movie. Keep in mind that the movie and the TV series aren't the same stories, or even really related stories - they are two different interpretations of the source material. Personally, I'd watch the TV series first, then the Summer Specials, then the movie. That's me though ^^
-Andiyar
SealedTears
2006-11-21, 16:26
i think that the movie hard more details to what the story is based on.
but thats what i think, and the movie is much more brutal in a realy sad way :/
so i suggest u watch the seri then the spesials then the movie.
so u can be preperd for the movie at last :p
Samatarou
2006-11-23, 08:44
That song is not on either of the two AIR Game OSTS's. I'm guessing it is an anime only feature put in by KyoAni. Another sign of the brilliance of Kyoto Animation! I thought that song was one of the most moving scenes in the series, a mother singing about her lost child.
If you want it that much I don't see why you can't just rip it from the episode using virtualdub^^ Damn, why didn't I think of that? I'm often ripping tracks from fansubs (e.g. the live version of God Knows from Haruhi, which I prefer to the official CD release) but for some reason I never thought about the fact that this track was missing from the Air OST, maybe it's because there are so many tracks on it to begin with.
Rengemaru
2006-11-26, 06:28
Hi,
I'm downloading AIR now. Episodes 1-13 and the Prelude. I see that there are some movies as well. What order should I watch the series in? Should I start with the Prelude or start with EP1?
Thanks!
~Tasdern~
The best order in my humble openion is:-
1) TV series episodes 1-12
2) Summer specials 1&2
3) Air movie
4) TV series episode 13 (recap episode)
The TV series has most of the beauty, the summer specials are worth watching. The movie offers a different view of the general story, while the recap episode will help understand the difference between the movie and the series plus will give a better understanding of the general story.
Ascaloth
2006-12-07, 00:57
I'm a new convert to AIR (having cut my teeth on Kanon), and here's my view on the boy and girl at the end...
Now, who says those two HAVE to be normal human beings at all? From my POV, they ARE Kanna and Ryuuya.....as spirits wandering the earth forever, free from the cycle of reincarnation, and free to start living an everlastingly happy dream in semi-corporeal form, much like
how Ayu does in Kanon, except for a far happier reason.
I don't know if I make sense, but well, I've said my piece. In a way, I think the cycles are over...and they've 'passed on', in a sense.
I'm a new convert to AIR
Are you sure? No one can claim to be a true convert without feeling empty and depressed for an extended period of time .......:heh:
In a way, I think the cycles are over...and they've 'passed on', in a sense.
IMO, that's the idea the Ending Song (Farewell Song, especially the last sentence of the full version) tries to convey : Forget the past (previous incarnations of Kanna), it's time to move on and live a new life.
Merridew
2007-01-09, 02:04
I'm new in the Air forums here, and after reading the posts in this thread up to here, I found these most appealing to me:
1) The curse put on Kanna 1000 years ago lets her continue to be reincarnated, but doesn't allow her to become close to anyone or she'd risk putting their lives in danger (Yukito/Ryuuyu). And knowing how she had caused the death of the people close around her, the reincarnations always feel a great sadness whenever they become close to a person. The curse continued as a cycle for every reincarnation, and in addition to the length of her life as how Uraha said it, a winged spirit's soul cannot be put in a human body without killing the human, all the reincarnations suffer a short and lonely life. Yukito succeeds in breaking the curse by sacrificing himself, allowing Misuzu to have happy memories with her mother before she dies. Though the curse is broken, Kanna's soul is still of a winged being's. This would mean that her reincarnations still have short lives, but happier ones as she does not have to suffer from loneliness any more.
2) The boy and girl are the signs of a new beginning, and Kanna and Ryuuyu's reincarnations do not have to suffer from short unhappy lives any more.
I think most opinions are a case of 'half-empty', 'half-full' cases. It all depends on your interpretations are.
I concur with Rengemaru's viewing order recommendations.
There's also a "making of the movie" short documentary one might view before watching the movie (lots of seiyuu and director interviews)... can't recall the filename for that though...
@merridew: both seem equally likely to me.... whether 1 or 2 depends on my "morose" level for the day :)
I'm new in the Air forums here, and after reading the posts in this thread up to here, I found these most appealing to me:
1) The curse put on Kanna 1000 years ago lets her continue to be reincarnated, but doesn't allow her to become close to anyone or she'd risk putting their lives in danger (Yukito/Ryuuyu). And knowing how she had caused the death of the people close around her, the reincarnations always feel a great sadness whenever they become close to a person. The curse continued as a cycle for every reincarnation, and in addition to the length of her life as how Uraha said it, a winged spirit's soul cannot be put in a human body without killing the human, all the reincarnations suffer a short and lonely life. Yukito succeeds in breaking the curse by sacrificing himself, allowing Misuzu to have happy memories with her mother before she dies. Though the curse is broken, Kanna's soul is still of a winged being's. This would mean that her reincarnations still have short lives, but happier ones as she does not have to suffer from loneliness any more.
2) The boy and girl are the signs of a new beginning, and Kanna and Ryuuyu's reincarnations do not have to suffer from short unhappy lives any more.
I think most opinions are a case of 'half-empty', 'half-full' cases. It all depends on your interpretations are.
As I understood, it's another curse that's making her reincarnate. (otherwise why wouldn't other winged beings also be reincarnated with the same problem?) In the end, however, Sora heads off to find Kanna and presumably put an end to that curse as well. I know that there's at least two distinct curses since there's one she got from the monks and one from touching her mother.
Question
2007-01-14, 11:47
2 questions.
At the end is the curse broken? Nothing seems to suggest that it does get broken, just that Yukito made this reincarnation happy.
Why did the monks curse Kanna? Right after that scence the head monk explains that they HELPED the winged beings, and i was like "Wtf, then why did you guys do the whole curse thing".
2 questions.
At the end is the curse broken? Nothing seems to suggest that it does get broken, just that Yukito made this reincarnation happy.
Well the curse that made it so that Misuzu couldn't get close to anyone without her and that person dying is indeed gone. In addition, Kanna gets Misuzu's happy memories so she'll be happier. I assume that at the end, Yukito (as Sora) went off to find Kanna and break the other curse that's causing her to constantly reincarnate into bodies that are too small and spend the rest of her time reliving her sad memories.
Why did the monks curse Kanna? Right after that scence the head monk explains that they HELPED the winged beings, and i was like "Wtf, then why did you guys do the whole curse thing".
No, you're confused. It's the Buddist monks who were trying to wipe out all other religions who cursed Kanna. The other monks who took them in were helping them.
dalaga96
2007-02-03, 21:07
Does Air TV a movie too?
Does Air TV have a DVD of it's episodes?
If it does is it English too?
Is Air tv a manga?
Is there going to be more episodes?
:confused:
I am utterly cunfuzzled:confused:
No. Yes. No. No (technically). No. :)
-Andiyar
SealedTears
2007-02-05, 02:05
Does Air TV a movie too?
Does Air TV have a DVD of it's episodes?
If it does is it English too?
Is Air tv a manga?
Is there going to be more episodes?
:confused:
I am utterly cunfuzzled:confused:
1. air tv got a "movie" but its like the episodes just more concentrated on mizusu and that guy (whats he name agend)
2. air tv got dvd's yes just google it and u can find out where you can buy them.
3. i dont know about the english but maybe they dub'ed it.
4. i never read the manga so i dont know if there is one :/
5. i dont think its gona be more episodes, but if u liket air tv watch kanon 2006 :)
Rengemaru
2007-02-08, 19:03
A friend of mine got me an english/chinase dubbed Air DVD so yes it is english too.
And for the manga, I read a few chapters from it and I'll just say that it's more similar to the anime than the movie (although in later chapters it might be considered a 3rd story using Air materials)
A friend of mine got me an english/chinase dubbed Air DVD so yes it is english too.
It must be a bootleg then, since Air didn't get officially licensed. (Although of course, I personally wish it would... ^^')
To clarify...
Air the Movie is not a movie of Air TV. It is a separate treatment of the same source material to create a new and somewhat different story. Additionally, the manga is much the same, it's another 'version' of the Air material. Hence my rather brief 'no' answers before - yes, it's Air, but no, it's not Air TV.
As to your disks Rengemaru... if it ever has dual English/Chinese subs, it's a bootleg. And the set you're referring to, I'm guessing... two DVDs? Maybe three? I've seen both idling about on eBay, and both are indeed bootlegs, made in Hong Kong, with rather terrible subs in general.
Air hasn't yet been licensed. The closest we have at the moment is KAA's DVD-rip treatments, and hopefully soon, Maniac's Blu-ray rip versions. Air may one day get licensed as well all hope, but it isn't yet. :(
-Andiyar
SealedTears
2007-02-14, 14:39
well i dont think it will get licensed. the story isent easy for a "normal" person to understand. i had to watch it about 2 times before i got everything with me.
but well dreams can come happen :P
Maritime
2007-04-15, 09:50
well i dont think it will get licensed. the story isent easy for a "normal" person to understand. i had to watch it about 2 times before i got everything with me.
but well dreams can come happen :P
If shows like Serial Exeriments Lain can get licenced I don't see why Air couldn't.
Anyway, I noticed something interesting last night when I watched the entire series again. During episode four when we watch Kano's family history back in feudal-era Japan there's a scene in which the mother of the scarred baby mentions that her husband was sent away to war, we're then showed a closeup of her husband who seemed to bare a striking resemblance to Ryūya (Kanna's bodyguard). Is it at all possible that Mizuzu and Kano could share the same distant relative?
Rengemaru
2007-04-19, 16:49
As to your disks Rengemaru... if it ever has dual English/Chinese subs, it's a bootleg. And the set you're referring to, I'm guessing... two DVDs? Maybe three? I've seen both idling about on eBay, and both are indeed bootlegs, made in Hong Kong, with rather terrible subs in general.
Sorry for taking so long to reply, but yes my copy is a bootlag and it's the 2 DvD version. I bought it for safe keeping.
Anyway, I noticed something interesting last night when I watched the entire series again. During episode four when we watch Kano's family history back in feudal-era Japan there's a scene in which the mother of the scarred baby mentions that her husband was sent away to war, we're then showed a closeup of her husband who seemed to bare a striking resemblance to Ryūya (Kanna's bodyguard). Is it at all possible that Mizuzu and Kano could share the same distant relative?
Yes they do look alike but I didn't find any evidence regarding your guess. :(
Okay guys heres a good question.. are there any plans thus far to dub and license Air in the US? I've got a bootleg and I love the show but I wouldn't mind having a US version and see what they do to it
I'm not sure you want to see what they would do to it... :D
Samatarou
2007-04-19, 20:19
During episode four when we watch Kano's family history back in feudal-era Japan
I don’t believe that woman was Kano’s ancestor, she was just possessed by her spirit when she touched the cursed feather in the shrine as a child.
Rengemaru
2007-04-20, 03:29
Okay guys heres a good question.. are there any plans thus far to dub and license Air in the US? I've got a bootleg and I love the show but I wouldn't mind having a US version and see what they do to it
one word, NEVER!
This show is too good to be ruined by those bloodsucking evil dubbing companies. And I don't want to disgrace it with english dubs, it's too good for that :(
But I too want to secure a long-living copy of it but having it dubbed is just.....
Well i just finished all the series, main arcs to summer special..
I must say my favorite was the first 1-7 epi's, as a lack of understanding took a bit toward the end, not to mention the sadness and lack of yukito in person.
I had a feeling he was suppose to take to crow form to see what he didnt or couldnt see BUT would revert to human once all is revealed and take some action.. didnt go as i predicted... which is probably for the better....
I plan to see the anime over again to understand the end better (since i have read through the Q and A), but for me it really got "messy" there with the Yukito crow.
prob watch the movie again too XD
assuming my heart wont die on me x.x
anyway,
I saw the movie first, then animie, and lastly if i can continue the order, the game
each progresses with more detail to keep me interested is my theory
I haven't watched any of the Air anime yet but at the end of Kano's route in the game, this person appears: http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1729/personcc2.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3509/air2yq6.jpg
Does anyone know exactly who she is?
possible spoiler:
that is the mother who had to sacrafice herself in place of her child so her child will live on. her memories, imbedded in the feather of Kanna which Kano touched, is what caused Kano to be "suicidal".
according to the anime anyway, since i dont have the game (cant read japanese...).
Kinny Riddle
2007-04-24, 07:48
I haven't watched any of the Air anime yet but at the end of Kano's route in the game, this person appears: http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1729/personcc2.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3509/air2yq6.jpg
Does anyone know exactly who she is?
That is Shiraho. Living in a time of war, most likely a few centuries after Kanna's time. (The events in the Summer arc occurred in 994 AD. ) When her child Yakuma was born with an ominous birthmark, people say the boy was cursed, but Shiraho was determined to give the child a happy life.
A few years after Yakumo got a hold of one of Kanna's feathers, Shiraho's husband was conscripted to fight a war with a "foreign enemy". (Being a history buff myself, I don't think it's the Mongols, for they were thwarted twice by typhoons, or Kamikaze "Divine Winds", but I can't think of any other invasion attempt of the Japanese islands during this period. )
Anyway, her husband never returned. The upper echelons of power heard about a feather mysteriously re-appearing, and fearing the Yokujins, the Winged Beings, might resurface with their awesome power, came hunting for it. Shiraho was forced to flee with Yakumo to the seaside town where Misuzu and Kano lives in present day.
After a plague swept through the village, the townspeople blamed it on Yakumo, the "cursed child". Shiraho decided to take her own life in exchange for Yakumo's. Since then Shiraho's spirit had been residing in Kanna's feather, dying for someone to hear her sad story. Kano in turn got possessed by her, and it wasn't until Yukito used his powers to activate Shiraho's vision that Shiraho's soul was able to go in peace.
Unlike in the anime, in the game, after activating the vision, Yukito loses his powers completely and thus ends the Kano arc.
Rengemaru
2007-04-24, 14:37
Since you mentioned it, how does Minagi's arc ends in the game?
Kinny Riddle
2007-04-25, 08:54
Since you mentioned it, how does Minagi's arc ends in the game?
There are two endings in Minagi's story.
After Minagi runs out of home to live in the station with Yukito for a few days, as Yukito, you come across two subtle choice that determines which ending you'll get.
The first choice suggests Yukito might become closer with Minagi. "How about giving me a morning kiss?" So that when Yukito brought Minagi to her mother's place in hope of reconciling mother and daughter, this time Minagi has become too attached to Yukito that she couldn't bear to bring herself home, and runs away. Michiru then appears, and gives Yukito her sand phial, asking him to make sure Minagi is always happy, and then disappears.
Yukito then finds Minagi sobbing at the roof of the school, in the middle of the rain. Unable to bear it any longer, Yukito takes it upon himself to look after Minagi, and offers to travel around with her as her companion.
The "True Ending", or "Michiru Ending", is of course what you've seen in the anime. Yukito kept his distance with Minagi, for he still hopes for her to return home safely. Eventually, Minagi reconciles with her mother, Michiru is happy that Minagi has finally found her true happiness and makes a tearful farewell with Minagi. The rest is history.
(Minagi's route is the only route where the CGs are spread across the two endings, meaning you need to go through both endings in order to collect all the CGs, including the ero ones for the Standard Edition. )
Samatarou
2007-04-25, 16:57
Well i just finished all the series, main arcs to summer special..
I must say my favorite was the first 1-7 epi's, as a lack of understanding took a bit toward the end, not to mention the sadness and lack of yukito in person.
I liked the early eps best too, it gets too depressing later on. There's plenty of sadness in the early eps too, but it's more constructive in that things get resolved, even though the resolution is bittersweet in the case of Minagi & Michiru. Mind you, after reading all the interpretations of the series that offer hope for Misuzu and Kanna, I intend to rewatch the later episodes to see if I can see them in a better light than I did originally, when Misuzu's victories—having a happy summer for once; making a friend—seemed so pitiful in comparison to the price she paid.
Rengemaru
2007-04-26, 11:26
Kinny Riddle: Thanks for the info!
when Misuzu's victories—having a happy summer for once; making a friend—seemed so pitiful in comparison to the price she paid.
Might seem pitiful at first, but it really shows how kind and modest Misuzu is. Instead of asking for a long happy life, she was just satisfied with a short but extremly happy one (from her point of view). When I first watched it I got really depressed too and sometimes when I hear aozora or watch the ending I cry. But in general, I could never ask for a better ending than this one (although I didn't like Yukito staying as humen in the movie)
Kinny Riddle: Thanks for the info!
Might seem pitiful at first, but it really shows how kind and modest Misuzu is. Instead of asking for a long happy life, she was just satisfied with a short but extremly happy one (from her point of view). When I first watched it I got really depressed too and sometimes when I hear aozora or watch the ending I cry. But in general, I could never ask for a better ending than this one (although I didn't like Yukito staying as humen in the movie)
Her life was far from a happy one, even from her POV. The only amount of happiness she experienced was with the arrival of Yukito. She was distant with her "mother", and she had no friends at school, despite wanting to have some. (She was close to crying/very depressed at one point when she came out of the school).
While the curse might have been lifted in the end, and the next reincarnation might have a happy life, as far as Misuzu herself is concerned - her life was nothing short of tragic.
Kinny Riddle
2007-05-01, 10:00
Her life was far from a happy one, even from her POV. The only amount of happiness she experienced was with the arrival of Yukito. She was distant with her "mother", and she had no friends at school, despite wanting to have some. (She was close to crying/very depressed at one point when she came out of the school).
While the curse might have been lifted in the end, and the next reincarnation might have a happy life, as far as Misuzu herself is concerned - her life was nothing short of tragic.
But in the end it still ended happily for her - and that was enough.
Depends whether you consider kicking the bucket a happy ending :)
Kinny Riddle
2007-05-02, 03:59
Depends whether you consider kicking the bucket a happy ending :)
It's a bittersweet ending, tearful but definitely not sad.
Deathkillz
2007-05-02, 14:31
yea i wouldnt call it sad as there does seem to be hope...unlike other series where an end means a definite end ~ air ended in a hopeful way...on of these days no matter how long mizuho will be saved ~ "it may take another thousand years...but one day...surely" ~ bittersweet indeed *tears up thinking about it*
Rengemaru
2007-05-03, 13:15
Bitter to us, sweet to Misuzu, from our view her life was tragic. but to her, she died with a smile on her face. And as everyone is saying, this alone is enough to make this ending a happy one.
Misuzu's ending is neither happy nor sad, but a mixture of both. Which is why it feels all the more wretched.
She got to reconcile with Haruko and succeeded in making a friend via Yukito (if not lover). Two things that had eluded her prior to the start of the anime's timeline.
I actually consider her "Mama" scene with Haruko to be more emotionally powerful than the "Goal" scene, because it highlighted so strongly on the bonds between her and the only "mother" she ever got to know in her brief lifespan (her biological father can go jump off a cliff for all I care).
(Oh man, I'm getting teary-eyed and sniffle-nosed just from recalling that "Mama" scene as I type this. I guess that how badly affected I was from it. :heh:)
The tragedy comes about from the fact that Misuzu did not get to "enjoy" these developments for the long-run. It was a brief spark of happiness before she passed away, and yet... and yet she was already more fortunate than her predecessors, in that she got to experience it at all.
And so, in the end, while we may feel gutted by her death, we can take some measure of comfort in knowing that she died happy, really happy.
Cheers.
Skane, I blame you for these tears that you started just by mentioning ep.11. *sniffle*
I agree wholeheartedly regarding ep.11, and the ending. I feel like I'll just rephrase what the previous 5-10 posts or so. xD;
Anyway, I think everyone more or less agrees that it's a bittersweet ending; in that Misuzu nor Yukito could not alter her fate ultimately, but at least she reached her goal. Misuzu didn't really want anything else rather than companions, and seeing her finally be able to get there is just satisfying. As long as she's happy, I'm happy.
Ep.11 is the time where Misuzu finally reaches her goal more or less, so I believe it really is the more powerful scene. Ep.11 was also better directed; how the scene played out- the silence, the visuals, the music - everything is just perfect.
Additionally, I can't really say that knowing the ending at the back of my mind didn't help me brace myself and prepare for ep.12. :heh: *sniffle* This is what I don't like about replying to Air topics. :heh: *blows on a tissue*
I watched the movie 2 times now... and that means i HAVE TO watch the anime series again...
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oh man time to show that unmanly side...
i must wait till that summer day where im all alone in a quiet room so i can have a AIR air-a-thon and then tear up...
no one must see me...
if they do... i must get rid of them... -.-;
I honestly almost cried at ep.12-Misuzu is definetly a tragic character-guess that's why I'm attracted to things like Air and Kanon,I won't touch things like Grave of the Fireflies though.
Hi , i am new here . However base on the TV series , i don't think that the curse have been broken in the end . it still continue to cause the little girl to suffer (there is one episode that yukito meet the little girl , and take her home together with misuzu . Misuzu said that the girl have some illness and will go to hospital *i assume that little girl is the one base on same color of hair and hair style .), but this time is different from misuzu . The little girl have someone to be with her . the little boy i think is yukito reincarnate , be by her side , with previous life memory to support her . The little girl have a new beginning , and she accept treatment unlike misuzu . So i think yukito did able to help misuzu at the end .
Kinny Riddle
2007-06-02, 04:58
Hi , i am new here . However base on the TV series , i don't think that the curse have been broken in the end . it still continue to cause the little girl to suffer (there is one episode that yukito meet the little girl , and take her home together with misuzu . Misuzu said that the girl have some illness and will go to hospital *i assume that little girl is the one base on same color of hair and hair style .), but this time is different from misuzu . The little girl have someone to be with her . the little boy i think is yukito reincarnate , be by her side , with previous life memory to support her . The little girl have a new beginning , and she accept treatment unlike misuzu . So i think yukito did able to help misuzu at the end .
The girl you mentioned going to hospital is NOT the girl seen in the ending.
That girl, who appeared in episode 2 while wandering away and ended up hugging Yukito's new doll, had to babysit her. Her name is Shino Saika. And if you look carefully, she has green hair.
Later in episode 10, when Sora is seen trying to drag the dinosaur doll near the temple, Saika's mom (who resembles Nayuki a lot :D) and her sister Maika came to the temple to pray for Saika's health, again they have greenish hair.
In episode 12 in the final scene, the little girl has dark hair, so that's definitely not Saika. Just because Saika goes to hospital does not mean anything. Saika, Maika and her mom does not even have an illustrated appearance in the game, and if they're the same person, do you think Kyo-Ani, with their reputation, wouldn't have made sure they have the same hair colour?
While you've already correctly guessed, as have many before you, that the girl and boy in the ending are the reincarnation of Kanna/Misuzu and Ryuuya/Yukito, I believe the curse has been lifted, as Misuzu was finally able to depart with happy memories, allowing Kanna's soul to reincarnate with a new beginning. This is based on what the boy was saying "To them (Misuzu and Yukito), cruel days, but to us, a new beginning". From their conversation, maybe the girl doesn't remember her past lives, but the boy seemingly remembers something, which was why he said "Farewell" to Misuzu and Yukito.
OIS . Thanks . i didn't see the episode for second time because i'm afraid of ruin the good felling about this series when i know what gonna happen next . Sorry because i didn't check correctly .
OIS . Thanks . i didn't see the episode for second time because i'm afraid of ruin the good felling about this series when i know what gonna happen next . Sorry because i didn't check correctly .
Don't be afraid to watch it again -- it won't have the same feeling of mystery that it did the first time, but it some ways, later viewings are even more rewarding than the first. There's a lot of foreshadowing in the early episodes, and many moments that might have seemed strange the first time you saw them will take on a whole new meaning when you see them again, this time knowing the entire story. :)
I just had a thought after re-watching Air. Do you guys think that the kids on the beach may actually be a reincarnation of the previous pair?
I did think at first that it was Ryuuya and Kanna, but if the curse was broken I don't see why the boy would say "To them cruel days" =/
FatPianoBoy
2007-06-03, 21:22
I just had a thought after re-watching Air. Do you guys think that the kids on the beach may actually be a reincarnation of the previous pair?
That was always my understanding of that scene.
Kinny Riddle
2007-06-05, 09:38
I just had a thought after re-watching Air. Do you guys think that the kids on the beach may actually be a reincarnation of the previous pair?
I did think at first that it was Ryuuya and Kanna, but if the curse was broken I don't see why the boy would say "To them cruel days" =/
Look at the ED animation for the 2 AIR in Summer special episodes. Kyo-Ani specifically replaced the boy and girl holding hands as seen in the logo and final scene with that of Ryuuya and Kanna holding hands. So yeah, you could say they've (that includes Yukito and Misuzu) reincarnated with a clean slate this time, without the curse. As I've mentioned before, the boy seems to remember, and hence his comment "To them cruel days, to us a new beginning".
flightinthesun
2007-06-08, 20:58
did anyone else like the part where uraha basically asked ryuuya to sleep with her? to have kids to carry on the legacy? ace. his face.
but i also thought he was like in love with Kanna so that confused me...:/
i absolutely adore air to bits by the way and believe the curse was basically broken because of all the happy memories the girls (mostly misuzu but also kano, michiru, minagi etc.) brought for Kanna and that the kids are a reincarnation. (the reflection of what the boys says in relations to the kanna, ryuuya and uraha's dream to live by the sea.
Jamezterr
2007-08-24, 15:24
Ok I am confused after watching this Anime series.
Does Kanna actually get saved or what?
I know that Kanna recieved the happy memories from the girls yukito helped reach their goals, but I am still confused on if Kanna is ever saved.
Thanks for reading, Jamezterr.
genesis78
2007-08-25, 16:07
i recently just finished the series too.
and after thinking about it and going through 2 threads on the subject this is what i got, though this is just my interpretaion with other mixed in.
[spoiler] kanna is saved and the two kids at the end of 12 are kanna/misuzu and yukito/ryuuya. from what the boy says at the end of ep 12 it implies that he knows whats going to happen to misuzu and yukito which means either he can see into the future O_o.... or he is ryuuya/yukito reincarnate with some memories of what happened. and the whole reincarnate while theyre still alive thing is better explained in the ending of air thread so i wont try to do it here. but its thought that either the crow found away to break the curse or the fact that misuzu died with all those happy memeories and that the happy memories of those other girls (kano etc.) went to kanna and broke the curse.... this thread explains it much better if you read through it. http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=35547
mickal555
2007-08-26, 07:13
Just recently finished it as well, confusing, though I understand it a little more after reading this thread.
I suppose we may never know what actually happened...
Also, I have the movie but it's missing audio most of it is OK like the background music, but almost all of the dialoge is missing, it's weird.
I never got to see the sumer specials thanks to this licensing thing, I'll get them when they come out I suppose. Does anyone know if Subbed versions will be available, or will it be dubbs....
anti-random
2007-08-26, 07:16
I am actually guessing the episodes will be dubbed. But my experience with licensed anime is that you can chuck on the Japanese audio with English subtitles if you want. As if you would unless the dubbing really, really sucked.
mickal555
2007-08-26, 07:18
I not a huge fan of dubs, no matter how good...
You know, you look at it and expect japenese to come out.
And I don't mind subtitles at all, heck I put them on if I can when watching english stuff.
Samatarou
2007-08-27, 19:03
Also, I have the movie but it's missing audio most of it is OK like the background music, but almost all of the dialoge is missing, it's weird. The movie is in 5.1 audio (even the AVI version), it sounds like your sound mixing is wrong, possibly the centre channel is being lost and only the L/R difference is coming out, that would certainly lose most of the dialogue (it's a well-known way of creating karaoke mixes from normal music tracks for instance). Or maybe you don't have the right directshow filters to decode 5.1 properly.
Heyo, been looking for the AIR Volume 1 DVD in local stores recently and haven't been able to find it. Usually stores like Best Buy or Fry's Electronics, even f.y.e. (where I found Haruhi V1 for less than $10!) are pretty good in stocking anime but neither of them seems to have AIR right now (or if they ever did?).
I could order it online but I'd rather go to a store and purchase it (unless it's really cheap somewhere online like at Right Stuf or something), so if anyone knows of some stores that stock a lot of anime (maybe if anyone knows local ones in the Bay Area), that'd be great. Thanks!
grey_moon
2007-09-22, 07:44
Just found out that Air TV is out as R1 which I ordered posthaste and in celebration I watch the series again. I was amazed that after watching it nearly 30 times now I still need to drink a lot of water or risk dehydration from blubbing so much.
I want to also buy the latest version of the game (Air Standard Edition), but was wondering is it possible to disable the ero scenes, I just don't want my memories of Air to go down that route. Also does anyone know of any decent translations for it? I don't mind reading off a seperate script, but a patch would be nice. I had a brief look but couldn't find anything.
*Edit*
Opps many apologies will post in ending thread
Right after watching it again I have a new theory for the boy and girl, which could be based totally on my clutching at straws for a happy ending for Misuzu and Yukito.
That has been suggested a number of times :) I would suggest that any futher discussion of this is continued in the Ending of Air (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=35547) thread and not here (the Q&A thread is for questions that can be answered by facts). I would suggest you repost the spoiler contents in the other thread.
@ grey_moon
The standard edition of Air doesn't actually contain the H-scenes - so there are no worries for you there. :)
-Andiyar
Actually, the Standard Edition does have the ero scenes; it's a slightly enhanced / improved version of the full game, unlike the all-ages version (http://key.visualarts.gr.jp/product/air/indexall.htm) which (I believe) was basically a backport of the console version to PC. Key lists that as an out of production title now, but you might be able to find a used copy via auction.
grey_moon
2007-09-26, 11:07
Heya all thanks for the info, but does the standard edition have a under 18 mode? I'd rather show my support of the current edition if possible, but if not I guess I'll have subject myself to on-line auctions (shudder).
Go ahead and buy the Standard Edition -- each image is stored as a separate file in the G00 directory under the main folder, so you can easily delete the ones you don't want to see. When you reach those points in the game, it displays a warning about the missing file before continuing on with just the text over a black background. Skip over the text until you're past the scene, then continue on with your memories intact. ;)
Files to delete (all with .g00 extension):
FGKA10A -- FGKA13, FGKA20
S_CGM_SC08, S_CGM_SC15 -- S_SCGM_SC18
FGKN15
S_CGM_SD14
FGMG08 -- FGMG10, FGMG19
S_CGM_SB20 -- S_CGM_SB23
FGMZ19 -- FGMZ22
S_CGM_SA20 -- S_CGM_SA23
grey_moon
2007-10-01, 11:12
Go ahead and buy the Standard Edition -- each image is stored as a separate file in the G00 directory under the main folder, so you can easily delete the ones you don't want to see. When you reach those points in the game, it displays a warning about the missing file before continuing on with just the text over a black background. Skip over the text until you're past the scene, then continue on with your memories intact. ;)
Files to delete (all with .g00 extension):
FGKA10A -- FGKA13, FGKA20
S_CGM_SC08, S_CGM_SC15 -- S_SCGM_SC18
FGKN15
S_CGM_SD14
FGMG08 -- FGMG10, FGMG19
S_CGM_SB20 -- S_CGM_SB23
FGMZ19 -- FGMZ22
S_CGM_SA20 -- S_CGM_SA23
Many thanks :heh: *gets his wallet out*
@ Minoto
Ah, my apologies. I mistook the Standard version for the All ages version. My bad. :)
Out of curiosity, does removing those files from the Standard version cause any errors during gameplay? I'm rather surprised that the game doesn't stutter when it can't find the necessary files.
-Andiyar
No worries -- I'd say there are a few too many versions to keep track of, but then, this is AIR. ;)
Anyway, I can't say that the game doesn't stutter, but I'd describe missing graphics as causing warnings rather than errors. The real heart of the game is the SEEN.txt file in the top level folder; it holds the script of the game along with the commands to the game engine to show this background, play that song, etc. If that was damaged, I'm sure the game engine would get horribly confused, but if it just encounters a missing image, it simply displays a warning and then continues on with the script, minus the graphics. You also get a similar warning when you go into the CG gallery, but that also works fine; there, it just continues to display the placeholder for images that have not yet been unlocked in place of the thumbnail.
Since just deleting the unwanted images accomplished the OP's purpose without preventing the game from continuing, I offered that as the simplest solution. Anyone who's feeling creative, though, can grab Haeleth's rldev kit (http://dev.haeleth.net/rldev.shtml) and use the image converter to replace them with something else, thereby avoiding any warning, as shown in the third shot below. :D
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minhtam1638
2007-10-30, 12:12
Question: Did I see a slice of Kanon somewhere in this series? Which episode?
Yep there is a Kanon cameo in episode 2, right when Yukito goes into the school and talks to Ayu Nayuki and Makoto.
Ok I am confused after watching this Anime series.
Does Kanna actually get saved or what?
I know that Kanna recieved the happy memories from the girls yukito helped reach their goals, but I am still confused on if Kanna is ever saved.
Thanks for reading, Jamezterr.
Kanna had two curses placed on her. One from the Buddhist monks which causes her to constantly reincarnate into human bodies which are too small to contain her, and thus makes it so that none of her reincarnates will live past 16. The second was from touching her mother, which makes it so that she can never become friends with anyone lest both her and her friend die. Kanna received happy memories, which means that the second curse is broken, however, the first curse was left unresolved. It might be implied that Sora left to find Kanna and break that curse, but we'll never know. What is known is that Kanna's reincarnations are now capable of making friends, although they will still never live past 16.
I have just finished watching Air TV and reading all 11 pages of this topic. Well I need a brake to get all this information into my head, but later I will ask you a few questions guys :) Later I am going to watch Air the movie and also read other topics of this thread. And then I will ask a few questions and share my view on this cool anime :)
Right now my Q is: Could I find Air PC game with EN subtitles? Beacuse I started to learn Japan language about a 3 months ago :) So I want to know if there is any EN version of this game ?
Thanks guys and Have a nice day :)
There was a group working on a patch translation but I think the effort proved overwhelming for them. There is no 'official' english version of the game.
I've been browsing for an english patch but pretty gave up last year. I figure my reward for learning Japanese (which I started a couple of years ago) will be playing the game :)
CrazySunshine
2007-12-22, 11:18
Piko (the dog) really strikes me as totally useless. Did he have a presence that was worth it... at all? Except for his funny bark.
Really only thing that I can think off that had NO MEANING at all.
Can somebody prove me wrong?
There's some kind of crazy rule in some japanese anime (and the games they come from) that even quite dramatic films have to have absurd animal sidekicks.
AIR even pokes at this a bit by having Yukito wonder what the hell kind of creature Piko is. Yeah, I'd be fine with no more absurd animal sidekicks that fail the "comedy-relief" test for me.
Greetings fellow Air fans.^^
I just watched the movie AND FREAKIN SOBBED MY EYES OUT (DAMN YOU JAPANESE AND YOUR TRAGIC LOVE STORY ENDINGS) so I'm kinda emo right now but...:heh:
Two questions: In the very last scene when Yukito's on the train, he asks the viewer, "Where am I going? Why don't you ask Misuzu? Because I'm going to be with her for a while, ya see."
Does that mean he intends to die soon to in order to be with her too? That confuses me a little.
And if Misuzu's vital organs were weakening, why would that make her sick? Like the scene when she ran to the water? Or was she coughing up blood? That'd make more sense if it was blood. But I don't really know that much about what happens when your vitals are weak.^^;
I'm debating with myself to finish the TV series....it's just going to break my heart all over again, I'm sure. ;_;
@ Vexx
I've always thought that Potato, although primarily useless, did have a minor role in showcasing what kind of a character Kano was - at least, to me it seemed interesting that she was more likely to open up to a small, fuzzy, sheeplike dog than to a normal human being. Basically, I guess I saw him as a kind of vehicle for her exposition. As well as a cute animal sidekick :)
@ Chiibi
I can't sadly answer your questions right now as I haven't seen the movie in ages - I need to check my parcel box and see if the disk has turned up yet, it's been a while. From my guessing though, at least from the general themes of Air, Yukito intends to keep questing to find the next incarnation/final incarnation of Kanna's soul (depending on how you read the salvation question). So it's possible that's what he meant... although again, I don't remember how much the movie changed it :)
And definitely watch the TV series - it is superior in every way apart from the relationship between Misuzu/Yukito, at least if you want an out and out romantic one. :)
-Andiyar
Not sure if this has been asked before but...
In the movie, it seems that Ryuya and Kanna both get killed, but in the anime only Kanna dies.
I've heard that Yukito is a descendant of Ryuya and Uraha, whereas Ryuya had a child with Uraha.
Because of Uraha, Yukito has the power to control puppets and whatnot.
But...
If Ryuya died, then Uraha had no one to bear a child and pass her powers down.
This was left unexplained, so I was wondering then who Yukito descended from, because if his ancestors originally died, then uhh...where does he come in? Unless he's some resurrection out of the blue.
Not sure if this has been asked before but...
In the movie, it seems that Ryuya and Kanna both get killed, but in the anime only Kanna dies.
I've heard that Yukito is a descendant of Ryuya and Uraha, whereas Ryuya had a child with Uraha.
Because of Uraha, Yukito has the power to control puppets and whatnot.
But...
If Ryuya died, then Uraha had no one to bear a child and pass her powers down.
This was left unexplained, so I was wondering then who Yukito descended from, because if his ancestors originally died, then uhh...where does he come in? Unless he's some resurrection out of the blue.
As far as i know,if my memory serves me right .. Uraha was pregnant when Ryuya died.
But i could be wrong.
Ultima_Rasengan05
2008-01-14, 03:58
well I just finished watching the whole 12 episodes of Air and this has got to be one of the most emotional series next to Kanon and Clannad...but I do have one question though...at the end of episode 12, those two kids, who were they really?? I got kind of confused when the little boy suddenly remembered about a promise and told the little girl about that promise but didn't understand what he was saying. Plus, he also knew that the time that Yukito and Misuzu would spend together would be a tough one...was Misuzu really the reincarnation of Kanna??
Robotnik
2008-01-15, 18:38
well I just finished watching the whole 12 episodes of Air and this has got to be one of the most emotional series next to Kanon and Clannad...but I do have one question though...at the end of episode 12, those two kids, who were they really?? I got kind of confused when the little boy suddenly remembered about a promise and told the little girl about that promise but didn't understand what he was saying. Plus, he also knew that the time that Yukito and Misuzu would spend together would be a tough one...was Misuzu really the reincarnation of Kanna??
There's a separate thread for discussing the "ending of Air" (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=35547); however, to make a long story short, it appears that
the author says the kids are not Yukito & Misuzu/Kanna.
IMO the ending's so vague that it should be left open for personal interpretation; maybe the author's fighting back against a tide of "happy ending" Air doujinshi, and he felt the need to make the "definitive" statement.
Ultima_Rasengan05
2008-01-16, 15:49
There's a separate thread for discussing the "ending of Air" (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=35547); however, to make a long story short, it appears that
the author says the kids are not Yukito & Misuzu/Kanna.
IMO the ending's so vague that it should be left open for personal interpretation; maybe the author's fighting back against a tide of "happy ending" Air doujinshi, and he felt the need to make the "definitive" statement.
Ok, thanks for answering my question and posting up a link to that thread...never knew that it also left a lot of people wondering about the ending.
AuditionEX
2008-01-23, 21:07
I've heard that Air is tear-jerker and some episodes are confusing..
is it worth watching ? and anyone can rate this series for me? :D
I've heard that Air is tear-jerker and some episodes are confusing..
Yes to both. It's not a strongly story-driven show; it's more about creating a mood, and slowly revealing the story BEHIND the story over time. There are quite a few "Huh?" moments along the way, and it takes some strange twists and turns, but the emotional payoff that comes when things are explained and you finally understand what's been going on is huge. It's even better the second time you watch it, and notice all the little hints and clues you missed the first time.
And you will cry your eyes out, but that's a good thing. ;)
is it worth watching ? and anyone can rate this series for me? :D
If you have any interest at all in sad-but-beautiful, emotionally-involving stories, then it's definitely worth checking out. I've stayed out of the ratings thread so far, just because it feels weird to rate it now, but I'd give it a 9/10, taking off one point for timing / rushed pacing at points. And even though I have to do that, I'd be hard-pressed to figure out how to do any better with a story that large and only 13 episodes.
AuditionEX
2008-01-26, 16:50
I give it a rating of 6.
btw i didnt cried as well.
Wow. this animu gives me a headache and a confusion lawl
i wanted to ask if air has a happy ending or not .... Cause im kinda sensible to good but sad animes... and really dont wanna enjoy 2 days while watching the series and end up down for a week :(
An example of what i consider "sad anime" would be Fate Stay Night... and non sad would be like Clannad although it left me with the "wanna see more" thingy =D
Thanks
DJ_RockmanX
2008-04-08, 21:39
If you thought FSN was sad, you're gonna have a hard time with the ending of AIR.
FatalMemory
2008-04-08, 22:52
btw i didnt cried as well.
The "Mama, this is God" scene made me cry, and I'm an atheist!!
So you're either weird or not human.
If you thought FSN was sad, you're gonna have a hard time with the ending of AIR.
I guess i'll have to pass on this one... thanks for the warning :(
GuidoHunter_Toki
2008-09-02, 13:19
Now I'm pretty sure all the Air TV DVD volumes have been released in America so how long before the Boxset? Do they even plan on releasing a boxset in the U.S.?
Interesting question. I've just had a check and it appears that Air was one of the series that floated from ADV to Funimation during AX this year, so Funi is the new distributor. I haven't seen anything announced about a new distribution method for Air, but I wouldn't be surprised if a box set came eventually - though, as I haven't seen anything announced, i wouldn't hold your breath. :)
Some anime are worth buying singles anyway, I feel. Just to say thanks.
-Andiyar
GuidoHunter_Toki
2008-09-03, 15:06
Interesting question. I've just had a check and it appears that Air was one of the series that floated from ADV to Funimation during AX this year, so Funi is the new distributor. I haven't seen anything announced about a new distribution method for Air, but I wouldn't be surprised if a box set came eventually - though, as I haven't seen anything announced, i wouldn't hold your breath. :)
Some anime are worth buying singles anyway, I feel. Just to say thanks.
-Andiyar
Thanks for the help. The only reason I try to buy boxsets is that I don't have a huge amount of room to fit a bunch of individuals all over the place.
Can someone please take some screens from original Air Blu-Ray in full resolution, not from x264 releases and so on ?
can someone translate text from air game?
i mean "game opening", in my version its not translated...
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20081022035641bxg0.jpg
like this,but full version...
Samatarou
2008-10-25, 17:37
can someone translate text from air game?
i mean "game opening", in my version its not translated...
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20081022035641bxg0.jpg
like this,but full version...
Without actually trying to translate the whole sentence, it looks to me like it's probably much the same blurb as occurs at the start of the anime series, since it refers receiving something from his mother (presumably the legend of the winged girl). So I would refer to the opening to episode 1.
In case you're wanting to try look it up yourself, the opening phrase is:
母がいないことを受け入れた時,
aRareObsession
2009-02-01, 06:08
i dont get the story...
can someone plz explain to me what's happening to the girl n what's wrong with her?
Samatarou
2009-02-06, 21:48
Assuming you mean Misuzu, she's the reincarnation of the winged girl that Yukito is looking for.
As she matures (and also due to the impact of Yukito's presence), she's beginning to remember in her dreams her life as a winged girl who was killed a 1000 years ago. But a human body isn't strong enough to contain the spirit of a winged being, so she's becoming ill too, basically her body is being destroyed from within.
Also, the winged girl was cursed by the people who killed her, and this curse prevents Misuzu from making any friends.
For more info you need to read the rest of this thread...
Golden Witch Drugs
2009-07-06, 08:58
Does anyone know if there is a walktrough for the AIR visual novel anywhere?
prnoct90
2009-07-31, 22:36
Can someone please take some screens from original Air Blu-Ray in full resolution, not from x264 releases and so on ?
I second this request. Also, what are the differences between the two Air Blu-Ray releases? Also, does one of the releases have better packaging?
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