Rozen Maiden ~Träumend~ (Season 2)

[KiNA]

I kinda like how

Shinku was talking to Rozen and then wakes up to hear and see Jun instead.
An indication further down the line for both of them(Jun and Rozen) in particular ?

[gonzo]

Season 3? Just now I imagine a new story with a disppointed Enju and that Laplace-Bunny. Laplace's revenge or: How Rozen Maiden saved the world. :D


So I have to quote myself ... some kind of prophecy?

Enju may be wiped off, Laplace maybe doing something evil. Rozen Maiden Gang saving whatever.

Anyway, there is no Alice Game, and will never be, because there is no way to become Alice. For nobody, neither human nor doll.

[Kurogane_Shiroikaze]

Episode 12 Summary and Screencaps (http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2006/01/27/rozen-maiden-traumend-12/)

In short, I thought the ending was brilliant. Unexpected and surprising, and above else, leaving us wanting for more (and giving us good cause to believe there will be).

Up until now, the anime has borrowed elements from the manga, but hasn't shared continuity--having it's own unique storyline. With the way things were setup, we would have been led to believe that a conclusion to the story in Traudmend would be the end of the anime franchise for this series.

But what they have done with this ending, is adjust the anime continuity so it can fit in (or at least become parallel to) the manga storyline. Which opens the door to a season 3 and beyond. Which is something I honestly wasn't expecting would happen. (No doubt Peach-Pit's collaboration on this production had something to do with this).

There are many elements to the story which couldn't have been satisfactorily resolved if it had ended now (like Jun's importance). If Shinku had become Alice, or some other absolute ending had occured, that would have shut the door to those other unresolved bits being addressed, leaving things worse off than they would be otherwise.

I think Traumend accomplished what it set out story wise. The stage for the game, the girls purpose in it, their struggle etc. With the way it's ended now, Rozen coming out and actually saying there are other ways, sets things up for the next phase in the story.

I'm personally looking forward to what season 3 has to offer.

I have to agree with you. ~träumend~ did resolve all the important plot lines with the surprising and unexpected ending, and luckily too, pulling it off w/o being Mai HiME cheesy as well. I have to commend the production team for mastefully including enough elements for a possibility of a third season too :).

One thing I hope to see for the 3rd season is Suigintou joining the gang for the comedy moments :heh: . Anyone with me?

[Thewanderer]

One thing I hope to see for the 3rd season is Suigintou joining the gang for the comedy moments :heh: . Anyone with me?
*raises hand*

[Kuro]

I thought this was a GREAT episode, too. After reading the spoilers (I'm an impatient girl, you see), I had my doubts regarding this episode, but surprisingly, it was quite enjoyable. That incredible exchange between Barasuishou and Shinku was worth the series alone.


I kind of figured that Enju wasn't really the father. It just seemed too easy. And believe it or not, prior to watching it, I thought "Hey, what if he's a competitor to Rozen or something"! Can you believe that? hehe. Anyways, I cannot hate father, because despite everything being speculated and everything that was allegedly set up by him, he still has his good points.


And I believe there will be a third season... Despite what the director says. Money goes a looong way in convincing him otherwise. Well, that and a public mobbing or lynching.

At least an OVA or maybe even a movie? Those don't really quality as "another" season, do they?

[Rosa Mystica]

They better do an 3rd season :upset: I just finished watching it and I have to say that was an sad ending.

[JHawkNH]

One thing I hope to see for the 3rd season is Suigintou joining the gang for the comedy moments :heh: . Anyone with me?

You can add me to that list also.

I plan to send an email to the production company thanking them for such a great series, and asking/begging for a third season. I will then wait for an offical anouncement about the continuation of Rozen Maidens.

If they anounce a thrid season, I will send a thank you email. :D
If they anounce that there will be no more, out come the death threats. :frustrated:

[Flo]

Rozen Maiden Traumend OST

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7581/11383725906071fd.jpg
Megu's Song, "Madoka" is reason enough for me.

[Kurogane_Shiroikaze]

Megu's Song, "Madoka" is reason enough for me.

I more than agree with that statement.

[Xellos-_^]

One thing I hope to see for the 3rd season is Suigintou joining the gang for the comedy moments :heh: . Anyone with me?

We can also have Jun visiting megu in hospital and Tomoe getting insanly jealous and She finds this boxcutter....Oh wait:uhoh: this Rozen Maiden not Shuffle.

[Mirtual]

To make it short, I am impressed.
I really like Rozen Maiden and RM Träumend. I liked the ending, the idea, the characters. Overall a real good series.
The funny thing is I didn't even know it existed until something like one week ago. And when I first heared about it I thought that seeing some dolls fighting each other with an Hikikomori as the male lead that this had to be useless and boring. Little did I knew how wrong I was. I nearly stopped sleeping downloading and watching RM and RMT after I saw the first eps.
This is one fine anime.
Too bad it is over already, but on the other hand I never really had to wait for a next week episode.
Guess this will be one of the few anime where I really have to buy the DVDs and OSTs.

And as long as they would keep up the good work (in terms of storyline, music, animation... you get the idea right?) I too would be happy seeing a third season.

[Kuro]

We can also have Jun visiting megu in hospital and Tomoe getting insanly jealous and She finds this boxcutter....Oh wait:uhoh: this Rozen Maiden not Shuffle.

Please do not put Rozen Maiden and Shuffle in the same sentence. =|

[Rosa Mystica]

Please do not put Rozen Maiden and Shuffle in the same sentence. =|

WOW an Rozen Maiden/Shuffle crossover :D Everyone fighting over Jun been their servent! :D

[Kurogane_Shiroikaze]

Please do not put Rozen Maiden and Shuffle in the same sentence. =|

I agree with Kuro here. Please don't degenerate Rozen Maiden to harem. It's one of the non-harem shows that are actually good by having memorable characters and great comedy.

But... come to think of it, Jun does *have* a biit too much female influence over him... I honestly haven't seen male characters other than him, as in major roles, not minor ones please :).

[Xellos-_^]

I agree with Kuro here. Please don't degenerate Rozen Maiden to harem. It's one of the non-harem shows that are actually good by having memorable characters and great comedy.

But... come to think of it, Jun does *have* a biit too much female influence over him... I honestly haven't seen male characters other than him, as in major roles, not minor ones please :).

Theres Rozen, Enju and Laplace for major roles.

Minor is that guy who tries to ask his sister out :rolleyes:

[Conan-san]

We can also have Jun visiting megu in hospital and Tomoe getting insanly jealous and She finds this boxcutter....Oh wait:uhoh: this Rozen Maiden not Shuffle. Actualy, that's what a good deal of Traumend's fans arg going to go do. Take ther boxcutters and go-a-huntin'-for-sum-De-rector.

[Eleutheria]

A reset was pretty much the only way the director could end the arc and still pave the way for another season. Any other method would have prematurely ended the series since one or more dolls would be stiffs...

Also I went over the last conversation again; Jun and Shinku agree they have to take care of the two dead dolls in their living room (korekara seiwa ni naru koto ga ikenai), somehow. She goes on to say that's why Father revived her, so she could find an answer (kaiketsu). Jun replies that they must do so.

[KiNA]

I still need to get a hold on time between the end of the battle and the end of the episode >.<

[kira_lacusXX]

i wish they actually showed what happened between real rozen and jun...they just suddenly skipped evrything o.O

[Flo]

New avatar on stock, feel free to use it.

Bara Otome
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/6451/baraotome0aj.gif

Suigintou
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/9816/gintou5sw.gif Blink once version
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5052/gintou22xn.gif Multiple blinking
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/9444/suigin7ud.gif

Tomoe
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/4868/tomoe2to.gif

[Muir Woods]

Watched Chinese sub of final episode.
There are a lot of highs and lows in this episode, from the intense battles between Barasuishou and Shinku, to the "death" of each doll, to the final resurrection. How one assign each event depends on their bias. Nevertheless, it is fervently entertaining, worthy of a climatic final episode. When I saw Shinku "die", I knew, without a doubt in the back of my mind, that it cannot be permanent, that she must come back. A transcendent entity like her cannot (or at least, must not) be extinguished of life. And her life to be taken away by such a sly way/method just isn't deserving of Shinku. She has far greater functions ahead.

With the final episode aired, I am ready to synthesize my final thoughts. Rozen Maiden: Traumend was a continuation of the anime realm with the climax of the relevation there is not just one path to Alice. I guess one could gather the cliché that violence is never the only option. Traumend served a more personal purpose; it provided more information about Shinku. I spend countless hours of my free consciousness pondering about Shinku, in a never-ending effort to increase my understanding of her. Anyways, Traumend was an excellent show, for it benefited from the same strengths that RM season one had. The distinct and charismatic characters that procure our feelings, the battles, the humor, the emotions, and the story intrigue, all excels in this series to entertain us. This is why RM is so successful, and will be successful in future iterations, if it ever happens.

And most important of all is Shinku, who has brought me feelings and joys that I never found in real life or anywhere else in fiction. Every time she smiles my heart experiences a warmth I never experienced in life before. Her elegant way of drinking tea and her air she exudes, is a sight more pleasurable for my eyes than any wonders I’ve seen in on Earth. Her calm voice and words rings angelic to my ears. Other senses are unapproachable outside the realm of my dreams. I realized after much contemplation, I really don’t care if Shinku becomes Alice or not, she is already perfect to me.

[Sigurd]

New avatar on stock, feel free to use it.

Flo, these gifs are awesome! I think the blinking ones were very lovely. (gotta love the color) But she has such a nice expression in the last one. And Bara Otome was soooo cool. Tough choice but I guess I'll use this one. Thanks, man.
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/9444/suigin7ud.gif

So the real Father, Rozen, fixed everyone. And we got a glimpse of the supposely real Barasuishou? ( The eye-patch on her 'right' eye caught my attention immediately. ) If she's the real one, what the heck has she been doing for all this time.... -_-'' Anyway, the last battle between Shinku and Barasuishou was done exceptionally well. A lot of people said Bara was an uninteresting villain. (Well, I have to agree, she was pale in comparison to Suigintou in the first season.) But her voice actress put on such a great great performance in this episode. I was really impressed and enjoying her character. Her last scene with her 'Father' also was pretty touching. Good job! Barasuishou. Not much to say about the other dolls. Aww... Suigintou really has become a softy. And one really should not test Shinku's patience too much, she was the one who avoided the fight for the whole series, then she snapped. :heh: That was cool, and funny in a way.

All in all, a highly enjoyable series. No, I wouldn't mind a third season at all. *starts praying, it worked last time!*

[eqdoktor]

Thanks for the Bara avatar. Looks cool indeed.


I get the impression that Father finally got around to completing Suigintou. Note the slight pause when you see him handling her in the final scene with the other maidens (her thorax). A reward for her compassion for Megu? Well, IMHO she don't have a reason to be in a permanent snit around the other maidens anymore.

Great series. I really do hope for a 3rd season.

[tea_servant]

you fellow! i was about to get it! you are picking on a little kid!
edit:bara-bara has two sides???
edit2:well,i can bear until you have other avas

[KiNA]

^ No.. she got only 1 side

The gif is her reborned version ;)

[Flo]

Barasuishou - fake doll created by Rozen's Jealous Student, eye patch on left eye
Bara Otome - The real 7th doll created by Rozen, eye patch one right eye *as seen in the Avatar*

[Kuro]

I demand the directors address so I can send him a piece of my mind! (for a third series, OVA or movie)

[kira_lacusXX]

wow nice avatars flo *saves saves saves* im tempted to use the tomoe but its reserved for shana. gomen tomoe

[kitsura]

My thoughts about the final episode...
A suitable ending to a great season. Neither too cheesy (Mai-Hime) nor too depressing (End of Eva, Ideon). One think I guess no one expected was that Barasuishou was a fake doll, no wonder she had the eye patch on the wrong eye. Anyway it seems that I was correct about Enju not being Rozen. Enju just doesn't seem mysterious enough to be him. Alice didn't appear but at least Shinku is still alive.

[Streetor]

Some people seem to be confused on why Hina and Sou are the way they are at the end of the episode.

They both lost to legitimate Rozen Maidens, so they basically lost the Alice Game fairly and did not regain their Roza Mystica. Though why Laplace had it is a mystery to me. Those beaten by Bara, who isn't a Rozen Maiden got their Roza Mysticas back...kind of like a football team losing and the team that beats them gets disqualified after using an illegitimate player so the victory is taken away

Also, as I said before, this series is too popular in Japan to stop at a 3rd season. Even if the studio has to hire another director, they'll do that. It's not the director that controls the series as it goes, especially if they get another director that gets advice on the series from Peach-Pit.

Hell look at Precure. It makes over 50% of Toei's revenue and that series shows no sign of slowing down.

[shaolinx]

Streetor, i hope ur right. i wouldnt mind s3/4 just for the fillers. the happy useless plot and awesome VA/animation is worth it =)

[Nvis]

final ep spoiler:

I was wondering what the Laplace's Demon was holding in his hands when he was with the "real" Bara. Looks like Rosa Mysticas, possibly Souseiseki and Hina Ichigo? Possibly giving/tempting them to the real Bara(because she looked rather happy)?Since when the Fake Bara and Enju disappeared, all the Rosa Mysticas went in different directions.

[Forever]

JUst watched ep 12. A final ending to a fantastic season that leaves 3rd season wide open!

I do hope Jun will meet megu next season though.

[grey_moon]

Many thanks to Animelito and Chachamaru for doing this wonderful series (especially for giving me a reason for watching each episode twice).


What a fantastic ending, with the last few episodes giving my poor heart such a bashing. Even though it crossed my mind that Enu was not Rozen (I thought he might have been a puppet of Laplace), but Bara as false doll really suprised me and I thought it was the perfect way to do a reset without really doing one.
The final battle was an eye opener with the way that they used the defeated dolls powers, and I am so glad that the writers didn't give the dolls dbz powerups each time they gained a Rosa Mystica. I love the way Shinku fights not only can she duke it out with ranged attacks but she can get down and dirty with her fists, but still appear elegant.
I'm glad to see that Hina and Souseseki haven't been left in their suitcases and hope for their return in S3, we have already seen Jun bring another dolls soul back so maybe this is what they will explore in the next season.
I've seen people compare RM anime with the manga, and personally I haven't read the manga yet, but I have to say both seasons for me were absolutley great. Althrough I wonder who did fix up Gin? My guess it was Rozen, but I guess we will find out if Rozen tell us himself, or if Gin does decide to take everyones mysticas and then shatters like Bara...

Even through I do not like Enu at all I felt really sorry for him at the end...

[Thewanderer]

Many thanks to Animelito and Chachamaru for doing this wonderful series (especially for giving me a reason for watching each episode twice).


What a fantastic ending, with the last few episodes giving my poor heart such a bashing. Even though it crossed my mind that Enu was not Rozen (I thought he might have been a puppet of Laplace), but Bara as false doll really suprised me and I thought it was the perfect way to do a reset without really doing one.
The final battle was an eye opener with the way that they used the defeated dolls powers, and I am so glad that the writers didn't give the dolls dbz powerups each time they gained a Rosa Mystica. I love the way Shinku fights not only can she duke it out with ranged attacks but she can get down and dirty with her fists, but still appear elegant.
I'm glad to see that Hina and Souseseki haven't been left in their suitcases and hope for their return in S3, we have already seen Jun bring another dolls soul back so maybe this is what they will explore in the next season.
I've seen people compare RM anime with the manga, and personally I haven't read the manga yet, but I have to say both seasons for me were absolutley great. Althrough I wonder who did fix up Gin? My guess it was Rozen, but I guess we will find out if Rozen tell us himself, or if Gin does decide to take everyones mysticas and then shatters like Bara...

Even through I do not like Enu at all I felt really sorry for him at the end...

How would they have a "DBZ Powerup" if they don't even look like DBZ characters? And if you're generalizing all powerups as such... well there isn't any real logic to that...

And Gin won't end up like Bara, because she's an official Rozen doll made by Rozen.

[Sirmackerel]

Finally got around to watching it, and -

I liked the explanation as to why Souseiseki's Rosa Mystica floated over to Barasuisho. "She's attracted to Suiseiseki." Awww... Too bad Souseiseki's still dead, though.

[Kyuuen]

Here's my thoughts on the last episode, can someone read it and tell me if it makes any sense?

Barasuishou is not a Rozen Maiden, but what i would call a Enju Maiden. The Bara with the eyepatch on the right eye is the real 7th doll. Enju wanted a doll that surpasses Rozen's, so he created a fake 7th doll, and challenged the other dolls. Enju's doll wasn't legit in the match, so when all 6 Rozen Mystica gathered inside her body, she couldn't take it. When Enju's Bara died, there were only 6 Rozen Mystica, meaning that Enju's Bara doesn't have a Rozen Mystica to begin with (probably).

Things i don't know:
- why the real Bara doesn't want to appear before them.
- why Enju 'self-destructed' together with Enju's Bara.
- why Laplace is having so much fun tricking them into a fake Rozen Royal Rumble. He obviously know that it's not a legit match, yet kept on pushing them.

[~PeiPei~]

First post for me ^^;;
but I've come to these boards often and just finished watching ep 12 RM:T
Loved every bit of it.

anyway, just a thought:


Aside from the eye patch being on the wrong side, I think that the "real" Bara might have a different power set... because those crystals from the fake appear nowhere on the "real's" person.

Fake Bara:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/PeiPeiTL/crystals.jpg

eye patch wrong side, crystals in the hairpins etc.

Real Bara (if we're sure Bara is even the real name.. >.>? )
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/PeiPeiTL/vines.jpg

rose vines, eye patch on the other side. etc.
will this one have a "vine" power set.. like Suiseiseki?
(nevermind that "slower" in the upper right.. my screenshot key also happens to be the slower key in my VLC player ^^;;;; )

[grey_moon]

How would they have a "DBZ Powerup" if they don't even look like DBZ characters? And if you're generalizing all powerups as such... well there isn't any real logic to that...

And Gin won't end up like Bara, because she's an official Rozen doll made by Rozen.

And why shouldn't I use DB as a generalisation for crazy overwhelming powerups? Don't need spiky hair and tails to powerup db style...


Hmm my point about Gin was at the end of s1 she was toasted, and s2 she was ressurected by "someone". Now nothing I can see truely indicates that it was Rozen that resuurected her. But thinking about it, it doesn't matter if Gin was brought back by Enu or Rozen since at the end of s2 Rozen does bring her back, or does he.... :p

[Kyuuen]

First post for me ^^;;
but I've come to these boards often and just finished watching ep 12 RM:T
Loved every bit of it.

anyway, just a thought:


Aside from the eye patch being on the wrong side, I think that the "real" Bara might have a different power set... because those crystals from the fake appear nowhere on the "real's" person.

Fake Bara:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/PeiPeiTL/crystals.jpg

eye patch wrong side, crystals in the hairpins etc.

Real Bara (if we're sure Bara is even the real name.. >.>? )
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/PeiPeiTL/vines.jpg

rose vines, eye patch on the other side. etc.
will this one have a "vine" power set.. like Suiseiseki?
(nevermind that "slower" in the upper right.. my screenshot key also happens to be the slower key in my VLC player ^^;;;; )



Pics of both Baras:
http://i1.tinypic.com/mt9d7k.jpghttp://i1.tinypic.com/mt9ef8.jpg

[Thewanderer]

And why shouldn't I use DB as a generalisation for crazy overwhelming powerups? Don't need spiky hair and tails to powerup db style...
Because you're making it sound like ALL powerups are "DBZ Style". Heck, I've even heard of Bleach powerups are DBZ style. They're POWERUPS, but nowhere near DBZish.

Now if you're saying ALL powerups are DBZish, I can argue that DBZ most likely didn't pioneer the idea, and if they did, it don't mean that all powerups should be classified as "DBZish", because powerups are more general... they don't ONLY belong in DBZ, as it more has to do with reiatsu/spirit energy/ki/whatever you call it than the show itself, and DBZ isn't the only show that has a type of spiritual energy.[/rant]

On topic:

Gin still rules:D

[grey_moon]

Because you're making it sound like ALL powerups are "DBZ Style". Heck, I've even heard of Bleach powerups are DBZ style. They're POWERUPS, but nowhere near DBZish.

Now if you're saying ALL powerups are DBZish, I can argue that DBZ most likely didn't pioneer the idea, and if they did, it don't mean that all powerups should be classified as "DBZish", because powerups are more general... they don't ONLY belong in DBZ, as it more has to do with reiatsu/spirit energy/ki/whatever you call it than the show itself, and DBZ isn't the only show that has a type of spiritual energy.[/rant]

On topic:

Gin still rules:D

*Off topic*
Nope I am not trying to make all powers ups dbz style, especially when i reply with "generalisation for crazy overwhelming power-ups". I was attempting to to say that I liked the way RM dealt with the absorption of each others Rosa Mysticas, they didn't make any doll overwhelming and reliant on having the largest number of Rosa Mysticas.

For example Gin lost because of her concern for Megu. I don't think it is possible to say if Gin would have lost with only one Rosa Mystica if Megu was a Duracell bunny like Jun, or if she didn't care and bled her dry.

For me DB style power-ups are when something happens and the person who has powered up can pwn everything until their opponent/s either gains the same powerup or some other plot device. I think this is what other people refer to when they compare Bleach powerups to DBZ. It is in my mind is to do how they handle the powerup not the powerup itself. *edit* forgot the "and repeat cycle to really extend the series" */edit*

*On topic*
Yeah Gin does rule, for me especially the way they humanised her actions with her relationship with Megu.

[Spectrum]

Some people seem to be confused on why Hina and Sou are the way they are at the end of the episode.

They both lost to legitimate Rozen Maidens, so they basically lost the Alice Game fairly and did not regain their Roza Mystica. Though why Laplace had it is a mystery to me. Those beaten by Bara, who isn't a Rozen Maiden got their Roza Mysticas back...kind of like a football team losing and the team that beats them gets disqualified after using an illegitimate player so the victory is taken away
I agree 100% and, in fact, will add on to this.
I postulate that the reason why Sousei Seki and Hina Ichigo's Roza Mysticas don't go to their winners (Suigin Tou and Shinku, respectively) is because when all the Roza Mysticas were returning, the defeated ones couldn't be awarded to the proper dolls. Shinku and Suigin Tou both had to be fixed, then...'booted up', so to speak. While that's happening, I suspect that the Roza Mystica can't be awarded without fubaring something up, so they're available for whichever jackass decides to sweep in and take them, namely Laplace's Demon.

Thankfully, if there's a 3rd season and there's fighting, it's not as if both of those Roza Mystica have extremely strong power sets anyway, so it wouldn't extremely unbalance the Alice Game. Bara would get the Scissors of Doom(tm) but she'd also get Hina's sucky vine power, which is probably redundant given the speculation about her true power. Kanaria's probably screwed, since her melee isn't great, and Suisei Seki is not the greatest close up fighter either, but Shinku and Suigin Tou couldn't care less if it came down to it.
Also, I will echo someone else and say, "Jun, you suck."

[Thewanderer]

For me DB style power-ups are when something happens and the person who has powered up can pwn everything until their opponent/s either gains the same powerup or some other plot device. I think this is what other people refer to when they compare Bleach powerups to DBZ. It is in my mind is to do how they handle the powerup not the powerup itself. *edit* forgot the "and repeat cycle to really extend the series" */edit*
...but that situation is too general to compare it to DBZ. It makes no logical sense, IMO.
*On topic*
Yeah Gin does rule, for me especially the way they humanised her actions with her relationship with Megu.
And who can't love Megu? In my eyes, she defines moé(or maybe it's just my fetish? Oh well:heh: ). And Gin+Megu=the perfect human/doll yuri couple:p

[grey_moon]

...but that situation is too general to compare it to DBZ. It makes no logical sense, IMO.

And who can't love Megu? In my eyes, she defines moé(or maybe it's just my fetish? Oh well:heh: ). And Gin+Megu=the perfect human/doll yuri couple:p

DBZ is powerup & pwn, and then opponent powerup & pwn, repeat cycle (with first an island blowing up, a continent, a planet, a solar system, etc etc). I think DBZ for a generalisation of crazy powerups is a good one and I can't think of a series that has sold so much based on that model.

I like Megu and Gin, because to me it seems that Megu is the human equivalent of Gin, believing that she is junk, but each has a way out with Gin becoming Alice and Megu eating some food and believing she will live (maybe... since we don't know whats wrong with her, but self belief can be the best types of medicine).

@spectrum

Hina's powers were not all that sucky when she went postal on Shinku, also both Shinku and Bara handled the vines and violin pretty well in the last battle. I think there is not enough info to state how much a Rosa Mystica effects each dolls attacks. From what I have seen it seems to be various attributes:
The doll and their passion
Where they are
If they have a medium and the medium themselves
If they have gained any Rosa Mysticas - Although I can't decide does that just gives them their oponents powers and memories or does it boost their powers too.

I can't see why Jun is so sucky, hes like a fusion reactor, who has been approved by Shinku to be her servant, are you saying that you know better then Shinku?? Also if you are refering to him stopping her killing Bara, what do you think Shinku would have felt like if she did kill her out of anger?

[Thewanderer]

DBZ is powerup & pwn, and then opponent powerup & pwn, repeat cycle (with first an island blowing up, a continent, a planet, a solar system, etc etc). I think DBZ for a generalisation of crazy powerups is a good one and I can't think of a series that has sold so much based on that model.
Why the need to compare it to another show anyway? It's like comparing any animé that has monsters in it to Pokémon(sadly, ppl DO do that...), or animé that has dolls to Rozen Maiden. For instance, someone says "This is too much like Rozen Maiden! Why do they have to copy them and go use dolls as the main characters like that?"

At least this is what it's sounding like to me...
I like Megu and Gin, because to me it seems that Megu is the human equivalent of Gin, believing that she is junk, but each has a way out with Gin becoming Alice and Megu eating some food and believing she will live (maybe... since we don't know whats wrong with her, but self belief can be the best types of medicine).
That's hot.

[ChainLegacy]

Rozen Maiden has really won me over. I watched the first season at random, and thought it was an entertaining series with a great conclusion. Traumend started out kind of slow, but, once again, the final few episodes make this series great. I hope that a third season is likely. Rozen Maiden has been bumped into my group of elite favorites.

[Imaginary_num6er]

Ok, I watched ep10 and I want to say a few things about the plot:


Ok, I'm sure most of the people here already know the plot of ep10 so, my main argument would be about plot inconsistancies.

Inconsistancy #1:
What's Barasuishou's purpose/aim in the Alice Game?

Obviously, if she's a Rozen Maiden doll then, she should be doing all that she can do to become Alice right? Clearly, from what you could see from ep10, she didn't even move when Sousei's Roza Mystica was floating in the air. From what I heard from a numerous places and 2ch, there could be a number of reasons why this so.

-Reason 1: Although, she specifically states that she's the "The 7th Rozen Maiden doll", she could be lying.
Enju is technically her "father" so, there is no real reason for her to participiate in the Alice Game if she's not really a Rozen Maiden doll.
-Reason 2: Despite having so much power, she already decided that her role in the Alice Game is to speed up its process.
This would make sense if it were direct orders from "Father."


I guess, I won the prediction back at ep10.:heh:

As you probably know, I'm listed as one of the "main translators" as one of the fansubs of RMT. To tell you the truth, my laptop died the RIGHT BEFORE I got the latest raw. It is said, that its going to take 3 weeks for repairs (I have a Japanese OS system and so, I need to send it back to Japan.). Therefore, I would like to say that if anyone was dissatisfied with one of the subs (I assume, naming which sub I'm associated would be considered "advertisement"), I humbly apoligize for my degradation of the most recent episode due to translation diffculties. This is in NO WAY, an advertisment attempt of a particular fansub, but only, an apology to the RMT fan community that I have done no justice for them. Once again, please do not interpret this as a decision based upon my affiliation with a particular fansub, but only, something that's based upon my own decision as a similar RM fan. I think, most people would understand which fansub I am/was associated with, but once again, I don't think I'm in the liberty to mention which one. Depending on the types of responces I get/see, I will see to it what kind of self-deserving punishment I should deal to myself. :sad:

It is also dissapointing that my involvement with this forum would rapidly diminish along with the end of the series, and hopefully, I could post some new news of the "Rozen Maiden Fan Appreciation Event" in Febuary 18th.

I will view this forum once so often, so please, wait for my formal return 3 weeks later. And once again, I'm very sorry for the types of damage I have caused to the very essence of the RMT series. :sad: :bow:

Imaginary_num6er

[Spectrum]

@spectrum

Hina's powers were not all that sucky when she went postal on Shinku, also both Shinku and Bara handled the vines and violin pretty well in the last battle. I think there is not enough info to state how much a Rosa Mystica effects each dolls attacks. From what I have seen it seems to be various attributes:
The doll and their passion
Where they are
If they have a medium and the medium themselves
If they have gained any Rosa Mysticas - Although I can't decide does that just gives them their oponents powers and memories or does it boost their powers too.

I can't see why Jun is so sucky, hes like a fusion reactor, who has been approved by Shinku to be her servant, are you saying that you know better then Shinku?? Also if you are refering to him stopping her killing Bara, what do you think Shinku would have felt like if she did kill her out of anger?

I maintain that Hina's power set is terrible and that the only reason why she's able to bind Shinku is because a) they're on Hina's N-field and Shinku doesn't have any backup, which means that she has to use personal energy to deal with Hina's zerg swarm (as opposed to when they invaded Suigin Tou's field and brought helpers) and b) I don't recall that Shinku was trying terribly hard to hurt Hina, just perhaps discipline her, while Hina was defending almost all out.

Vines aren't awful, it's just that due to the nature of the Alice Game, alot of the fighting took place outside in N-fields, where flying and the general openness removed many of the advantages that vine attacks provided (that being lockdown and control). Inside that building for the last fight, the vines could actually do some good.

As for Jun, yes I'm referring to the end when he stopped Shinku. Without the not quite Deus Ex Machina reset (and if you're Jun, it's not something you could have known about beforehand), you have a choice between Shinku winning, but feeling pretty terrible about everything and Shinku going back to her pacifist self and getting stabbed in the gut by Barasuishou. I don't know about you, but if I'm in that situation, I choose a live, emotionally scarred Shinku (who can recouperate someday) over a dead Shinku.

[Wandering_Youth]

Err ok, the ending was kind of odd. It's not a good or bad ending, but it just leaves me in awe like, "What the hell was that?!". :eyespin:

Oh well, atleast there's going to probably be another season now. I had enough of this cycle of doom and gloom about the Alice Game and the I hope the next season focuses more on something else.

Who would of ever thought that Enju was not Rozen and Bara was not a Rozen Maiden? Surprised? Yes, I was! Anyways, the last few scenes of the episode were confusing because did Bara die/destoryed and yet we see her dancing with the rabbit in god knows where in the end. Speaking of Bara, she looked quite pretty without the eye patch.

[Radiosity]

Who would of ever thought that Enju was not Rozen and Bara was not a Rozen Maiden? Surprised? Yes, I was! Anyways, the last few scenes of the episode were confusing because did Bara die/destoryed and yet we see her dancing with the rabbit in god knows where in the end. Speaking of Bara, she looked quite pretty without the eye patch.

That was the real Bara dancing with Laplace in Neverland (lol). There is actually a doll called Bara, but she wasn't involved in any of the happenings here, because obviously it was all the fake Bara's doing.

[Guido]

I agree with everyone else that this was not the end, yet.

Last climax for the second act had me in tears and could not stop to grieve for the Rozen Maidens.

1. Shinku's plead to Suigin-Tou to stop the fighting.

2. Suigin-Tou's death.

3. Shinku exploding in anger and attempting to murder Bara-suishou.

4. Shinku's death, crying for Jun's name with her tears.

5. Jun's desperate cry for Rozen to understand the pain and sorrow that his daughters had been enduring in the course of madness.


Rozen at last shows up.....


I sincerely believe for myself, and wish it could turn out true in the manga, that Rozen became touched for what his daughters became afflicted and suffered.

There are three lines that support the evidence on what I'm about to say:

The first was from Rozen encouraging Shinku to dream of becoming Alice once again.

The second thing Rozen revealed to Shinku was that there are other ways to become Alice with no need to exclusively resort to the 'Alice' game.

The third, which I could think of as a gift from their father, was that Rozen told Shinku to handle things on her own from now on.

I'm concluding from that evidence alone that Rozen has put the fate of Alice in Shinku's resolve and to determine it along with the rest of her sisters.


The meaning of Alice for Rozen Maiden.


It is not about to create perfection. Debatable if Rozen once was human or not, humans are flawed and their actions often tend toward mistakes.

Humans possess capacities for what they can do, however, the downside is that those capacities are restricted by limitations. It doesn't matter how much effort or talent is invested because that particular limitation will never be breached.

If you put to analysis, each of the Rozen Maiden possess both qualities and flaws distinctive to their personalities.

I'm just speculating that Rozen never longed for a perfect 'Alice' rather he's expecting the coming of the integral, complete 'Alice'.
For that to happen, all of the Rozen Maidens have to learn about their flaws and coming to terms for what's best for them and for the others to whom they bond.

Enju's just like the rest of the foolish humans which allows his pride to get the better of him. He was absorbed to how magnificient was his Bara-suishou that never thought what ended up creating, what mistakes he had overlooked.

Enju created a child with no heart who resorted to steal the Rozen Maiden's hearts to become full alive. And at the end Enju ended with nothing; his dream shattered not because his child was perfect, because he overlooked that himself was the one who committed the mistake, but still ignored his own limitations.

On the other hand, Jun and Shinku's plead for not desiring the calamitous consequences of the Alice Game to go on has made Rozen to contemplate about his limitations and mistakes.

He has allowed for his children to carry the course of Alice in their hands.

What a real father always does for his children is:
1. Forbid them to do or commit something that will hurt them or others.
2. Encourage them to develop their talents, as well their desire to dream and improve themselves.
3. Love them until the end to much realize that sooner or later the children will have to settle their own lives, therefore, granting their freedom to handle on their own.


Is the Alice Game meant for only Rozen Maiden?

Yes & No. Enju honing the talents to create a living doll, he started the course for his Bara-Suishou to earn the privilege of becoming Alice. There is no restriction in the Alice Game for outsider dolls to complete, since Enju's Bara-Suishou also has the ability to extract Rosa Mysticas.

However, since Enju's Bara-Suishou does not possess her own Rosa Mystica is impossible for her to contain within her body the Rosa Mystica of the other dolls.

She's incompleted with only six of them, thus turning imperfect.

And Suisei-Seki, Canaria, and Suigin-Tou's Rosa Mystica returned because were not stolen by a Rozen Maiden whereas Hina-Ichigo & Sousei-Seki did not.


Is the Alice Game really over?

Difficult for me to come to a proper conclusion with only guesswork from the anime and not reading the manga.

If I simply come to think of it, the Alice Game finished in an incomplete manner. Bara-Suishou was a fake made by Enju not Rozen. Both of them orchestrated the whole mayhem, however, they overlooked that both became puppets from Rozen's Kira-Kishou who realized another way to become Alice without her getting involved in the Alice Game.

Besides, Shinku will not allow the initiation of another Alice Game, because she now has been entrusted by Father to open up another path to become Alice, and both she and Jun had already made their choice about that.


Will there be another continuation for the Rozen Maiden?


If I correctly recall from certain people around here, Japanese tend to keep unannounced whenever they don't want to continue certain anime titles through sequels.

Why the series director bothers to announce that there won't be no more Rozen Maiden when would be easier to just left the news unannounced?

As for myself I cannot come to terms with that conclusion, it seemed to end like an ordinary TV episode; not even they arranged the ending credits to roll when Shinku and Jun returned home.

I believe that continuation for Rozen Maiden will be done in a similar fashion to Wolf's Rain, likewise, through OVA resuming from exactly where Traümend left off.

Let's not forget the words of the rabbit, Laplace no Ma, to Jun that this play was over for now....

[ChronoReverse]

Her name is actually Kirakishou

@Spectrum

As for Jun, yes I'm referring to the end when he stopped Shinku. Without the not quite Deus Ex Machina reset (and if you're Jun, it's not something you could have known about beforehand), you have a choice between Shinku winning, but feeling pretty terrible about everything and Shinku going back to her pacifist self and getting stabbed in the gut by Barasuishou. I don't know about you, but if I'm in that situation, I choose a live, emotionally scarred Shinku (who can recouperate someday) over a dead Shinku.

True, but if I were in Jun's place, I wouldn't have anticipated that Barasuishou would do the point blank stab. And frankly, Shinku betraying herself at this point really would just be making her entire effort of the whole season to have been a lie of a hypocrite. I still feel a bit of "Aww, Jun, it's all your fault" though XD

[Guido]

An interesting note from the people who subbed Traümend


Dear, viewers.

Sadly this great anime series
has come to an end. ToT;
We now know how it is ended, and that
Enju wasn't dolls' father.
There had been some debate on Japanese
blog sites about about whether Enju is
their father or not. And I found it quite
interesting how some people thought he
isn't and would like to share with you.


His name is Enju, or so they say. Enju is
taken from the name of plants "enju" or
"Sophora japonica" or "acacia." There're
many types of Enju, but one that is
generally called enju is a plant that
doesn't have thorns. And of course Rozen is
rose and has thorns. Therefore, Enju can't
be Rozen. (=_=a)
There is a type of enju that does have
thorns though. It's called "Hari Enju
(Thorn Enju)" or "Nise Enju (Fake Enju)"
or "Robinia pseudo-acacia." Basically it is
a fake enju.


Of course, there's no evidence that they
named him because of these facts, but it's
quite possible. And even if they didn't,
it's interesting to know...
don't you think?



Oh and... did you notice true/fake
Bara-suishou?

Pop-quiz!
Is it fake or true Bara-suishou who covers
right eye? ^^



Anyway, we, chachamaru-fansub team (team?
just me, chachamaru, and Kamikaze Duck
though... >.<) would like to thank
everyone and hope you enjoyed this great
show! There might had been several (...ok,
many) mistakes, but please execuse us for
this is our very first attempt in fan-sub
business.

We hope to serve you again somewhere someday.


Until then, ja ne~

-chachamaru

[Mangaka-chan]

[QUOTE=ChronoReverse]Her name is actually Kirakishou

Who are you talking about? :confused:

Anyways, just watched the sub and I've gotta say I really want a thrid season!

And frankly, introducing the real Barasuishou and not reviving Sousei Seki and Hina Ichigo is just leaving the door way open for a sequal. Somebody before me mentioned that perhaps the real Barasuishou found a way to not get physically involved in the Alice Game by getting Laplace to get Rosa Mystics for her. But if that's the case it means we might have a really demented and cunning Rozen Maiden on our hands :heh: I'm also glad that the real Father seems to be a truely gentle and caring person and should there be a third season (cross fingers) I hope we'll get to learn more about him and let Jun play a bigger role than he did in Traumend.

[roro]

a lil question.
Why does the real Bara get Hina Ichigo and Sousei-seki's rosa mysticas? I understand they "were not returned" because they were killed by a real Rozen doll. That's fine.

but, but, but why wouldn't they go to who actually took over them? Why can the real Bara have them snatched for her?

This part really confuses me.

[Flo]

Kirakishou.

http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0866.jpg

[Radiosity]

a lil question.
Why does the real Bara get Hina Ichigo and Sousei-seki's rosa mysticas? I understand they "were not returned" because they were killed by a real Rozen doll. That's fine.

but, but, but why wouldn't they go to who actually took over them? Why can the real Bara have them snatched for her?

This part really confuses me.



Bara doesn't have them though. It's Laplace who's holding them. I'm of the opinion that he's holding them for safe keeping. Shinku should be able to do something about bringing Hina and Sousei-seki back, for which she'd need the Roza Mystica's. Not much use if the Roza's have gone flying off somewhere out of reach :)

Shinku: That's why father brought me back. He told me to solve the problem.
Jun: You can do it. You will definitely be able to.

[Spectrum]

@Spectrum
True, but if I were in Jun's place, I wouldn't have anticipated that Barasuishou would do the point blank stab. And frankly, Shinku betraying herself at this point really would just be making her entire effort of the whole season to have been a lie of a hypocrite. I still feel a bit of "Aww, Jun, it's all your fault" though XD
Yeah, it's not like Jun could have known Barasuishou was a murderous rampaging doll who only wanted to become Alice by killing off Shinku. It's not as if he had a previous encounter with her while other important things were going on. It's not as if she, while having difficulty walking around, was only looking for Shinku and calling her name. It's not as if she snapped and attempted to skewer Jun with a crystal burst, even if seems to be poor form in the series to threaten someone else's medium.

Oh wait.

[Trax]

I'm not convinced that the Bara-suishou that crumbled was a fake, and a copy of the real one. I can't imagine that Enju could be satisfied with a creation that was a copy, regardless if he considered it a superior version or not. It still would not be his unique creation that way. None of the Rozen Maiden knew Bara-suishou so he didn't even have to make a copy in order to fool them, the 'unknown sister' ploy worked just fine.

[grey_moon]

As for Jun, yes I'm referring to the end when he stopped Shinku. Without the not quite Deus Ex Machina reset (and if you're Jun, it's not something you could have known about beforehand), you have a choice between Shinku winning, but feeling pretty terrible about everything and Shinku going back to her pacifist self and getting stabbed in the gut by Barasuishou. I don't know about you, but if I'm in that situation, I choose a live, emotionally scarred Shinku (who can recouperate someday) over a dead Shinku.


Just as you pointed out that there was no way for Jun to know about the "reset", also there was no way to know until after the event, that Bara was going to kebab Shinku. Sure it's easy to say afterwards what a fool his actions caused her death, but if she did kill Bara then we and they would only know that Shinku killed Bara for revenge, which in my opinion would be so un-Shinku like. Shinku had her beat, and decided to spare her, if Bara decided to win at all costs then how is that Jun's fault? All Jun did was stop her from becoming like Bara...

[Scribble]

Does anyone else think that the ending of Rozen Maiden Traumend is saying "Read the Manga To See What is Happening Next" as opposed to "There will be a new season of RM"?

I'm thinking this because of Peach Pit working close with the anime creators, and the fact that the final episode ends so it "fits into the manga", i.e.
(Spoilers for latest chapter of manga as well as final ep of Traumend)
The *real* Barasuishou, aka Kirakishou introducing herself in the latest manga chapter, and also being unveiled in the final episode of Traumend. Also, Souseiseki and Hina Ichigo (I think, I don't read the manga) are apparently dead in the manga

So isn't that an indicator that we are supposed to read the manga if we want to enjoy more Rozen Maiden? It seems to make sense....

[Radiosity]

I very much doubt it. Why force people into a single medium like that when they could make more money by creating a third season of a well received and liked series? Because that's what this all boils down to: Money. If it makes money, keep on doing it. Naruto is a case in point, as is the new 'Original Story' arc of Bleach.

[Xellos-_^]

I very much doubt it. Why force people into a single medium like that when they could make more money by creating a third season of a well received and liked series? Because that's what this all boils down to: Money. If it makes money, keep on doing it. Naruto is a case in point, as is the new 'Original Story' arc of Bleach.

Besides a 3rd won't air for at least a year so they can sell their manga and make money form the anime. Thats having your cake and eating it too.

[Flo]

Come to think of it about Kirakishou
I wonder if Peach-Pit will become insane and create 8th doll, Athrunkishou... :heh:

Ok I've gone completely mental. :heh:

[Scribble]

I very much doubt it. Why force people into a single medium like that when they could make more money by creating a third season of a well received and liked series? Because that's what this all boils down to: Money. If it makes money, keep on doing it. Naruto is a case in point, as is the new 'Original Story' arc of Bleach.

That is true, though I'm curious as to why the creator of the series is saying that he won't be continuing with Rozen Maiden anime. But I suppose there's nothing that can stop him from changing his mind, and he also might be trying to avoid him coming across as milking Rozen Maiden. *shrugs*

EDIT:
Also, which "shou" design does everyone favour? I love the Kirakishou's design better than Bara's, as to me Barasuishou's design didn't really stand out much from the others.


I just hope Kirakishou has a personality similar to Bara. I fell in love with Bara's personality, especially in the last few episodes, where Bara goes psycho at Jun, and ESPECIALLY her exchanges with Shinku while she is being pinned to the ground. Kira may have a completely personality altogether, since this is the first time a 7th doll has been introduced in the manga, and Bara in the anime may have only been given the "echo syndrome" to emphasise the fact that she was just an imitator

[grey_moon]

At the end of s1 my favorite dolls were:
shinku
hina
gin
sui
sou

at the end of s2:
shinku
hina (sniffle)
sui
gin
sou
bara
kana

Not much change, but to be honest I like all of the dolls a lot and only very little seperates them on my list.

How about everyone else did you find your preferences changed a lot by the end of s2?

[Radiosity]

Most disturbing thing for me was Gin. I hate her, with a passion, have done since the first time I heard that damned laugh. But now I find myself somewhat attracted to her and I can't figure out why (attracted not in a 'I'd hit it' sense I might add). On the surface, I still can't stand her, but somewhere under the surface there is an attraction, maybe a sympathy for her that I can't control. Heh, the writers did a good job on that one it seems, because I'm normally 100% on things I like or dislike.

[Swann]

How about everyone else did you find your preferences changed a lot by the end of s2?


At the end of season 1 Shinku was my favorite followed by Gin.

Now, since ep5, Gin is my favorite followed by Shinku.

[grey_moon]

Most disturbing thing for me was Gin. I hate her, with a passion, have done since the first time I heard that damned laugh. But now I find myself somewhat attracted to her and I can't figure out why (attracted not in a 'I'd hit it' sense I might add). On the surface, I still can't stand her, but somewhere under the surface there is an attraction, maybe a sympathy for her that I can't control. Heh, the writers did a good job on that one it seems, because I'm normally 100% on things I like or dislike.

Maybe the way she treats Megu? Her reason for playing the Alice game in s2 seems pretty selfless (apart from the view from the other dolls :p).

For me her character clicked at the very end of s1, and suddenly blossomed in s2. I thought what the writers did with the end of s1 was very very good. I hate it when a character is evil, just because...

It always twangs my heart strings when a character is portrayed as efil, but then we see a kinder side to them... When a goody two shoes character does some thing good its kinda like hmm a bit more of the same thing...

[Ichy]

At the end of s1 my favorite dolls were:

Suigin Tou
Suisei Seki
Shinku
Hina Ichigo
Sousei Seki


At the end of Season2:

Suigin Tou
Kirakishou :D
Suisei Seki
Kanaria
Bara Suishou
Hina Ichigo
Shinku
Sousei Seki

[Spectrum]

Just as you pointed out that there was no way for Jun to know about the "reset", also there was no way to know until after the event, that Bara was going to kebab Shinku. Sure it's easy to say afterwards what a fool his actions caused her death, but if she did kill Bara then we and they would only know that Shinku killed Bara for revenge, which in my opinion would be so un-Shinku like. Shinku had her beat, and decided to spare her, if Bara decided to win at all costs then how is that Jun's fault? All Jun did was stop her from becoming like Bara...

That's where we disagree, although I thought that was made very clear in my *STAB* spoiler reply above. Jun met Bara one on one and has seen her actions throughout the series, especially the cold way she destroys Suisei Seki and Kanaria. He *should* know that Bara would probably take advantage of Shinku letting up and make with the killing.

Maybe it would be un-Shinku like to off Bara to avenge everyone else, but I think that, were you Jun, you take a distraught, changed Shinku to rebuild the rest of your lives with over a dead Shinku (and properly a close encounter with a boxcutter soon afterwards).
As for my order:

during Season 1:
Sui
Gin
Shinku
everyone else can die in a fire

end of S1:
switch Gin and Sui

end of S2:
Gin
Sui
Shinku
Kanaria
everyone else can die in a fire

[Mangaka-chan]

Kirakishou.

http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0866.jpg

Could someone tell me what Kirakishou means? From the kanji I see it has something to do with snow but I don't know what the third character means.

[Kuro]

Most disturbing thing for me was Gin. I hate her, with a passion, have done since the first time I heard that damned laugh. But now I find myself somewhat attracted to her and I can't figure out why (attracted not in a 'I'd hit it' sense I might add). On the surface, I still can't stand her, but somewhere under the surface there is an attraction, maybe a sympathy for her that I can't control. Heh, the writers did a good job on that one it seems, because I'm normally 100% on things I like or dislike.

Yay! Another Gin fan.

[Radiosity]

Oh don't start, I already feel bad enough about liking the person I hate... uh... if that makes any kind of sense lol :D

[Li Jianliang]

Could someone tell me what Kirakishou means? From the kanji I see it has something to do with snow but I don't know what the third character means.
Kirakishou = "Snow Gorgeous, Beautiful Crystal"
...I really hope her German name is less verbose.

[Thewanderer]

Yay! Another Gin fan.
There's lots of us out there. And we could be disguised as anyone...http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Deadbrain80/Smilies/mwahaha.gif
Oh don't start, I already feel bad enough about liking the person I hate... uh... if that makes any kind of sense lol :D
Join us!!!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Deadbrain80/Smilies/mwahaha.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Deadbrain80/Smilies/mwahaha.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Deadbrain80/Smilies/mwahaha.gif

[Spectrum]

Hmm...

GinxMegu (lovely alike doll+human yuri)
vs
GinxShinku (feisty hot rivals/sisters yuri)

Thoughts?

[Streetor]

Hmm...

GinxMegu (lovely alike doll+human yuri)
vs
GinxShinku (feisty hot rivals/sisters yuri)

Thoughts?

No...just no...

[Xellos-_^]

Hmm...

GinxMegu (lovely alike doll+human yuri)
vs
GinxShinku (feisty hot rivals/sisters yuri)

Thoughts?

How about GinXMeguXShinku :D

[Thewanderer]

How about GinXMeguXShinku :D
Seconded. Throw in a li'l Sousei and I'll be happy.

[Spectrum]

If Rozen Maiden goes to a third season, think we'll finally get our own forum?

=D

[Radiosity]

Join us!!!http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Deadbrain80/Smilies/mwahaha.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Deadbrain80/Smilies/mwahaha.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Deadbrain80/Smilies/mwahaha.gif

No.. must... resist... temptation... rising... hngh....

No...just no...

Agreed, doll sex is just... no. However, if they were humanized (is that even a word?) then hell yeah that'd rock :D

edit: Since we seem to be going down this road, I'd have to vote in favour of Suiseiseki being involved.

And if Gin looked like this:

http://www.radiant-studios.net/junk/mmmgin.jpg

And was made into a real person, then I'd forgive her anything, no worries :heh:

Side note: that folder has always been called junk, it's nothing to do with Gin or any other dolls [/disclaimer]

[Thewanderer]

Agreed, doll sex is just... no. However, if they were humanized (is that even a word?) then hell yeah that'd rock :D
As much as "truthiness" is:heh:

And... who said anything about doll SEX? o.O
And if Gin looked like this:

http://www.radiant-studios.net/junk/mmmgin.jpg

And was made into a real person, then I'd forgive her anything, no worries :heh:
Yeah:naughty: I hear ya.

[Radiosity]

And... who said anything about doll SEX? o.O

Hmm...

GinxMegu (lovely alike doll+human yuri)
vs
GinxShinku (feisty hot rivals/sisters yuri)

Thoughts?

Yuri would rather indicate somewhat more than merely a platonic relationship ;)

[Spectrum]

Agreed, doll sex is just... no. However, if they were humanized (is that even a word?) then hell yeah that'd rock :D
*cough*

http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0907.bmp (relaxing gin)
http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0821.jpg (maid gin)
http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0764.jpg (endowed gin)
http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0696.jpg (shinku/gin jackpot!)
http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0670.jpg (megu/gin)
http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0589.jpg (moe santa gin)
http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0562.jpg (lantern festival gin!)
http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0487.jpg (schoolgirl gin? looking rather similar to Natsume Maya from Tenjou Tenge...)
http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0456.jpg (SD dictator gin XD)
http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0438.jpg (shinku/gin...in shinku's dreams XD)
http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0426.jpg (more gin awesomeness...in shinku's dreams XD)
http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0311.jpg (sleeping gin)
http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0282.jpg (nekomimi gin)
http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0281.jpg (maid gin again)


http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0905.jpg (whoops, how'd this get in there?)
http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0755.jpg (!)
http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0749.jpg (...okay, even I can't support this ship)
http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0358.jpg (gangster bara means business!)

[Radiosity]

http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0821.jpg

Okay, I just fell in love with Gin.

/sigh

http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0907.bmp

And again...

You did that on purpose, Spectrum, you knew the temptation was too great damn you :)

[Thewanderer]

Yuri would rather indicate somewhat more than merely a platonic relationship ;)
...but the dolls aren't... ummm... "anatomically correct":upset: (assuming that Rozen isn't a total sicko)
http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0821.jpg

Okay, I just fell in love with Gin.

/sigh

http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0907.bmp

And again...

You did that on purpose, Spectrum, you knew the temptation was too great damn you :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Deadbrain80/Avatars%20and%20Signatures/8dbe1e4b.jpg

[Spectrum]

You did that on purpose, Spectrum, you knew the temptation was too great damn you :)
My work here, folks, is done.

Okay, maybe not quite yet. Dipped into my images folder to see what else I could find...titles are self-explanatory, mostly.
http://www.shinobi-order.com/spectrum/RozenMaiden/adultgin-sketch.jpg
http://www.shinobi-order.com/spectrum/RozenMaiden/ginbara-adult_embarassed.jpg
http://www.shinobi-order.com/spectrum/RozenMaiden/mercurylamp.jpg (ADORABLE)
http://www.shinobi-order.com/spectrum/RozenMaiden/suigintoushinku-holdinghands.jpg
http://www.shinobi-order.com/spectrum/RozenMaiden/suigintoushinku-uglybows.jpg

And pulling from earlier in the thread:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=410777&postcount=30 (more gin love!)

[Muir Woods]

How about everyone else did you find your preferences changed a lot by the end of s2?
The two characters I'm most keen on are Shinku and Suigintou. Have my preferences on them changed? Essentially, no. If anything, Traumend bolstered Shinku incomparible heights, and Suigintou remains the bottom of my rung. The other dolls, I spend negligible thoughts on them so I'm indifferent. There is a key factor that enables one to be a Gin-fan, and that is sympathy. Sympathy for her character; her imperfections in season one, her situation with Megu in Traumend. I have none for Suigintou. A consequence of the reason (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=445056&postcount=140) I gave of my animosity towards Suigintou in this thread. But was I satisfied with Suigintou's return and how she is portrayed/used in Traumend? Yes. Her union with Megu is certainly ironically fitting, and they have convincingly conveyed that sense of dilemma in Suigintou, illuminating her character. But it wasn't like her motives were anything elegant.

I'm a bit disappointed in the paucity of development of Jun in Traumend. His character growth in Traumend, compared to season one, was relatively minor. I was expecting that Jun would have a greater role in Traumend. Jun mainly said some benevolent words, re-inforcing the fact that he is fundamentally a good man. But we know he has the potential to be a great man. Oh well, at least he made Shinku smile again. I wonder how many years or decades will it take Shinku to refine Jun to a man of her equal calibre...probably far outside the scope the RM's time continuum...

It appears we are delegating back to images to keep the RM thread alive. *Opens my Rozen Maiden folder*, 3,563 images...where do I even start? I'll worry about that after I come back from work...

[NaNash|]

I like Suigintou more as the series progress.:p

But is there a possiblity for a third series? But the third series may not be fun without the most funny Hina Ichigo. :(

[Thewanderer]

But is there a possiblity for a third series?(
If there's the possibility of a Digimon season 5 after that Frontier crap, there's cirtainly a chance with RM season 3.

[Angelic Cross]

http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0821.jpg (maid gin)

*gasp* Gin-sama with a drink that's not Yakult?!? Blasphemy!!!

[grey_moon]

*gasp* Gin-sama with a drink that's not Yakult?!? Blasphemy!!!

Shes serving it to someone else, no way would she give away the precious nectar. Anyway I can't see her serving anyone (maybe Megu), so maybe she about to poison Jun?

I like Suigintou more as the series progress.:p

But is there a possiblity for a third series? But the third series may not be fun without the most funny Hina Ichigo. :(

Well imagine if they ressurect Hina in Souseiseki's body and vice versa... I can't start to think of what Sueseiseki would do... And I totally agree with you that she is the most fun, and I love your avatar

[Manatsu]

I just read through a few pages of posts after watching ep 12 and one post about Rozen literally playing the role of a father to the dolls had given me something to think about.

Looking back at one of the final scene where Rozen is affectionately adjusting Suigintou's collar, perhaps Rozen has always been watching the dolls like a loving father. That might explain why Rozen would choose the best time to make his appearance to clean up the mess, which is after everything had ended. So if Rozen loves his dolls so much, why didn't he try to stop the fights before and only appeared now? Well my theory is that he sees everything as a journey for the Rozen Maidens to become Alice. What is Alice?

I think making dolls as life-like as possible is what every doll-makers will try to achieve, but beneath the porcelein skin, dolls are still lifeless beings, incomparable to a real girl. Since Rozen appears to be on a different level with the ability to grant his dolls life, Alice to Rozen is perhaps his dream and vision of his dolls becoming real human girls, like the story of Pinocchio. So he send his dolls on the road, asking them to fight the Alice game, but deep down he wish that they will learn and acquire humanity along their experiences. And if you think about it, a human medium besides supplying power to the dolls can also serve as a model for them to learn from. Take Jun as an example, he has probably influenced the most changes in the dolls. Might be the medium isn't a kind person, but I guess learning from mistakes is also a part of living.

I think at the end, the Rozen Maidens have mostly matured in some ways. Suiseiseki learned to give, Suigitou experienced love, Hina grew up etc. And Shinku specifically for showing the most persistences with her stance of non-violence between sisters must have met Rozen's ideals and maybe as some form of encouragement, he urged Shinku to continue persuing the dream of becoming Alice and assured her that fighting is not the only way to do so.

[Guido]

Looking back at one of the final scene where Rozen is affectionately adjusting Suigintou's collar, perhaps Rozen has always been watching the dolls like a loving father. That might explain why Rozen would choose the best time to make his appearance to clean up the mess, which is after everything had ended. So if Rozen loves his dolls so much, why didn't he try to stop the fights before and only appeared now? Well my theory is that he sees everything as a journey for the Rozen Maidens to become Alice. What is Alice?

I think making dolls as life-like as possible is what every doll-makers will try to achieve, but beneath the porcelein skin, dolls are still lifeless beings, incomparable to a real girl. Since Rozen appears to be on a different level with the ability to grant his dolls life, Alice to Rozen is perhaps his dream and vision of his dolls becoming real human girls, like the story of Pinocchio. So he send his dolls on the road, asking them to fight the Alice game, but deep down he wish that they will learn and acquire humanity along their experiences. And if you think about it, a human medium besides supplying power to the dolls can also serve as a model for them to learn from. Take Jun as an example, he has probably influenced the most changes in the dolls. Might be the medium isn't a kind person, but I guess learning from mistakes is also a part of living.

I think at the end, the Rozen Maidens have mostly matured in some ways. Suiseiseki learned to give, Suigitou experienced love, Hina grew up etc. And Shinku specifically for showing the most persistences with her stance of non-violence between sisters must have met Rozen's ideals and maybe as some form of encouragement, he urged Shinku to continue persuing the dream of becoming Alice and assured her that fighting is not the only way to do so.

Agreed with you. Read my post. It partially coincedes with some of your opinions.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=462135&postcount=302

[JHawkNH]

I am putting my money on a final movie instead of a 3rd season. The same way CCS ended. That way the director wasn't lieing.
I believe they can make alot more money with a movie then another season. And the movie will come out while the series is still extreamly popular.

[gonzo]

Viewing RM-träumend - now! - from a certain distance, it is obvious that the third season has been planned from the very start. RM-träumend is just a kind of intermezzo. It is needed to synchronize manga and anime, at least sort of.

What is Laplace needed for? Nearly nothing. Besides some more or less senseless pseudo-philosophical remarks his only remaining task is to "steal"/"save" the two roza mystica of Hina and Sousei. This is by no means a proper ending.

There will be no Alice Game. There is so much to do for the remaining maidens.

Instead, we shall watch "RM3 - SOS (Save Our Sisters)" or "RM3 - Searching the Lost Souls". Hina and Sousei will be alive again, and all are happy till the end. We all could notice Hina and Sousei sitting on the couch at Nori's, as some kind of undead dolls.

Nothing of Jun's abilities ("magic fingers") has been showing in RM2. Jun will be the legitimate successor of Rozen. Just my 2 cents.

So be patient. RM3 is coming. Really. Really really.

[Swann]

The question is will RM3 be listed as 13(12) episodes or be bumped up to 26?

[gonzo]

The question is will RM3 be listed as 13(12) episodes or be bumped up to 26?

13(12), of course. We need material for RM4! (Preliminary title: "RM4 - Alice strikes again"). No contradiction: Not "Alice Game". Psycho mode off.

[Thewanderer]

Well, now that the season has finished, this thread is going to fade into obscurity, never to be heard from again...

*waves goodbye*

[Flo]

Well, now that the season has finished, this thread is going to fade into obscurity, never to be heard from again...

*waves goodbye*
Unless we discuss the manga.

[SSJiffy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/SSJiffy/Shinkuwins.gif

Rozen Maiden (S1, 2) is clearly twisted darwinism, the premise is of dolls "Rozen Maidens" that are sister creations with differentiating personalities competing to become the one perfect being "Alice". Now assuming Ax+Bx=Cx, and f(x) as lim h->0 =((f(x+h)-f(x))/h), why does Shinku hit Suigintou?


Discuss.:p

[Thewanderer]

Unless we discuss the manga.
This thread is about season 2 of the anime. Hence the name "Rozen Maiden ~Träumend~".

[Muir Woods]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/SSJiffy/Shinkuwins.gif

Rozen Maiden (S1, 2) is clearly twisted darwinism, the premise is of dolls "Rozen Maidens" that are sister creations with differentiating personalities competing to become the one perfect being "Alice". Now assuming Ax+Bx=Cx, and f(x) as lim h->0 =((f(x+h)-f(x))/h), why does Shinku hit Suigintou?
Because as lim (Suigintou -> Alice), Shinku -> Suigintou and the solution quickly converges. Which is why you see Shinku approaching Suigintou at fast speed in that scene. Shinku "hitting" Suigintou can then be thought of as the variable (Shinku) finally attaining that value (Suigintou). That would be the mathematical perspective :p.

Anyways, some fanarts. I find pleasure in seeing Suigintou cry; in tears of sorrow. So I'd like to share my images of Suigintou in misery. There are too many to list, so I'll just link to the folder (http://www.members.shaw.ca/Muir_Woods/Pictures/Suigintou/).

[Tatiana Razajev]

13(12), of course. We need material for RM4! (Preliminary title: "RM4 - Alice strikes again"). No contradiction: Not "Alice Game". Psycho mode off.

Wait you make up a title for the fourth season, but not a title for the third season. I mean something seems wrong there.

[gonzo]

Instead, we shall watch "RM3 - SOS (Save Our Sisters)" or "RM3 - Searching the Lost Souls".


I made even two alternative titles for RM3! Do I really need to quote myself?

[grey_moon]

Because as lim (Suigintou -> Alice), Shinku -> Suigintou and the solution quickly converges. Which is why you see Shinku approaching Suigintou at fast speed in that scene. Shinku "hitting" Suigintou can then be thought of as the variable (Shinku) finally attaining that value (Suigintou). That would be the mathematical perspective :p.

Anyways, some fanarts. I find pleasure in seeing Suigintou cry; in tears of sorrow. So I'd like to share my images of Suigintou in misery. There are too many to list, so I'll just link to the folder (http://www.members.shaw.ca/Muir_Woods/Pictures/Suigintou/).

Wow I checked out your Suigintou folder, and then the folder above it, and I have come to the conclusion that you don't like her... I could be wrong thro :D

[kitsura]

Well once the game is out in Mar we can start discussing that.

[Naruto14]

Well, now that the season has finished, this thread is going to fade into obscurity, never to be heard from again...

*waves goodbye*
Sorry to interupt but thats not true people who still have question on this season will continue to write. Just keep your hopes up! O.K

[grey_moon]

Well once the game is out in Mar we can start discussing that.

Sigh searching the RM thread for the word "game" is not a good thing. Where can I find out more details about the game please?

*EDIT*
Heh I forgot there is a funky tool called google :p

Hmmm adventure game in Japanese... Boohoohoo, why can't we get decent rpgs in English too (before anyone starts on me, decent = a game i want to play ;))
*/EDIT*

[Naruto14]

eh... somehow, that looks a bit creepy ^^;;
Of course because no one can imatate anime no matter what there ways be something diffrent or creepy.

[Flo]

Kira is not impressed with Bara's performace. (Sexy leg btw :heh: )
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/41/rozen09198ic.jpg

[Owaranai Destiny]

Kira is not impressed with Bara's performace. (Sexy leg btw :heh: )
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/41/rozen09198ic.jpg

W-H-O-A. Some pic that is. Who knew she had such shapely legs under that long skirt. :heh:.

That aside, I was wondering about the dying of this thread...Is it possible for a speculation thread to be up until official sources state there is or isn't going to be a third season?

[Xellos-_^]

Kira is not impressed with Bara's performace. (Sexy leg btw :heh: )
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/41/rozen09198ic.jpg

:hmm: I want more :heh: :D

[Guido]

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/41/rozen09198ic.jpg


(Sado-Masochism on the loose)

Bara-Suishou: Motto... Motto!

[KiNA]

Waa.. 3 posts replying on the very same pic.... reposting is bad once it reach once a day in 4chans... this picture get repost 4 times a page o-o

As famous word came ringing ...

SAGE!!!!

:heh:

[grey_moon]

W-H-O-A. Some pic that is. Who knew she had such shapely legs under that long skirt. :heh:.

That aside, I was wondering about the dying of this thread...Is it possible for a speculation thread to be up until official sources state there is or isn't going to be a third season?

I've seen a few people say that there is not going to be a third season *stunned look of despair*, but I hoping that there will be. Anyone got any more solid sources to this?

[Swann]

I've seen a few people say that there is not going to be a third season *stunned look of despair*, but I hoping that there will be. Anyone got any more solid sources to this?


Eps12. It doesn't get much more solid than that.

[grey_moon]

Eps12. It doesn't get much more solid than that.

He he that is so true *starts to breath calmly again*, what's it that Ruuko keeps saying in TH2 again?

[Tatiana Razajev]

I made even two alternative titles for RM3! Do I really need to quote myself?

Ah okay, I need to read topics more carefully. Still I think I prefer the title "Save our Sisters" personally over the other one. Heck maybe it could be written as S.O.S and double as both Save our Sisters and Save our Souls.

[Flo]

My suggestion to the 3rd season. ROZENBALL T!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! (Damn those Japanese fan artists! I don't even like DBZ in the first place XD!)

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/6052/rozenballt1lr.th.jpg (http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rozenballt1lr.jpg)http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/8775/rozenballt013cp.th.jpg (http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rozenballt013cp.jpg)http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/17/rozen07387uf.th.jpg (http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rozen07387uf.jpg)
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/52/rozen07414or.th.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rozen07414or.jpg)http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3649/rozen07370xt.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rozen07370xt.jpg)http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2209/rozen07433be.th.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rozen07433be.jpg)
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/931/rozen08605us.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rozen08605us.jpg)

[Potatochobit]

i dont quite understand why the rabbit had souseiseki and hinaichigo's spirit at the end with barasuisho.

from what it seemed like, was because they were defeated by real ronzen dolls (shinku and suiginto) they could not be returned normally. but why would they end up with the rabbit?

[grey_moon]

i dont quite understand why the rabbit had souseiseki and hinaichigo's spirit at the end with barasuisho.

from what it seemed like, was because they were defeated by real ronzen dolls (shinku and suiginto) they could not be returned normally. but why would they end up with the rabbit?

There have been a couple of theories on this one, defeated by real Rozen dolls (as you have mentioned) and the other is Hina and Sou were not in the N Field. But I was thinking maybe its of combination of these and that maybe Rozen is using this as a chance to give Shinku and Jun a way to grow, so therefore could the rabbit be the MC side of Rozen?

[kitsura]

Sigh searching the RM thread for the word "game" is not a good thing. Where can I find out more details about the game please?

*EDIT*
Heh I forgot there is a funky tool called google :p

Hmmm adventure game in Japanese... Boohoohoo, why can't we get decent rpgs in English too (before anyone starts on me, decent = a game i want to play ;))
*/EDIT*
Posted it quite some time back. Here is the link to the post:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=424830#post424830

[Wacky]

I rewatched ep 12 again, and around 18:13

ep12

Rozen appears with all six Rosa Mysticas


I wonder if this was an animation mistake / plot hole (which could happen if the ending was tacked on at the last minute), or if there's something more to it...

[Guido]

I wonder if this was an animation mistake / plot hole (which could happen if the ending was tacked on at the last minute), or if there's something more to it...


Didn't you pay close attention when the rabbit was keeping Hina-Ichigo and Sousei-seki's Rosa Mysticas?

The true 7th Rozen Maiden doll made a cameo appearance, and we got to see a nice close up shot of her face.

Kira-Kishou.


Bara-Suishou never had a Rosa Mystica of her own. Enju created a living doll without a heart/spirit.
That's why, I think, he bragged about having surpassed Rozen and standing above him.

[Mangaka-chan]

Didn't you pay close attention when the rabbit was keeping Hina-Ichigo and Sousei-seki's Rosa Mysticas?

The true 7th Rozen Maiden doll made a cameo appearance, and we got to see a nice close up shot of her face.

Kira-Kishou.


Bara-Suishou never had a Rosa Mystica of her own. Enju created a living doll without a heart/spirit.
That's why, I think, he bragged about having surpassed Rozen and standing above him.

I think Wacky was trying to say that the fact that Rozen showed up with all six Rosa Mystica after the rabbit left but later the rabbit is shown possessing two of the six Rosa Mystica. If the rabbit had already left the N-field where the six Mysticas were floating around in, how did Sou and Hina's Mysticas end up in his hands afterward?

[Argent]

I think Wacky was trying to say that the fact that Rozen showed up with all six Rosa Mystica after the rabbit left but later the rabbit is shown possessing two of the six Rosa Mystica. If the rabbit had already left the N-field where the six Mysticas were floating around in, how did Sou and Hina's Mysticas end up in his hands afterward?

Time was very fuzzy at that point. There obviously were gaps in what we were shown, so during the time between Rozen showing up with the six and reviving Shinku and later, Laplace was given the two Mystica of the dolls not in that final battle. It is fairly obvious to me that Laplace is a friend or ally of Rozen's in some way.

I found it interesting that Laplace went from sinister to more benign as we discovered the true nature of what was going on. The rabbit is still a big jerk, just not how we originally thought.

If there is a third season, and who knows if there will be or even should be, I suspect much of it will be Shinku's quest to gain the Mystica from Laplace so that the sisters can unite to cure Suigintou's Medium of her illness.

[Mangaka-chan]

Time was very fuzzy at that point. There obviously were gaps in what we were shown, so during the time between Rozen showing up with the six and reviving Shinku and later, Laplace was given the two Mystica of the dolls not in that final battle. It is fairly obvious to me that Laplace is a friend or ally of Rozen's in some way.

I found it interesting that Laplace went from sinister to more benign as we discovered the true nature of what was going on. The rabbit is still a big jerk, just not how we originally thought.

If there is a third season, and who knows if there will be or even should be, I suspect much of it will be Shinku's quest to gain the Mystica from Laplace so that the sisters can unite to cure Suigintou's Medium of her illness.

Hmm, if that's the case then what's up with the scene between the rabbit and Kirakishou? Does that mean she might not be the evil mastermind I had feared her to be? But from the small bit of the manga that I have seen I'd say Kirakishou doesn't seem like she has sisterly love in mind for the other Rozen Maidens. So what I'm trying to say is, if the rabbit is trying to help Shinku then how does Kirakishou fit into the picture? :confused: :confused:

[Wacky]

Well... the first time I watched ep 12, I was going with the assumption that Kirakishou and Laplace Demon = S3 villains - Kirakishou looks sinister after all, and Rozen is actually good (as opposed to Anju, plus Rozen had the yellow godly glow). They don't seem to be on the same side, since the Laplace Demon was helping Anju with what happened in S2.

It doesn't seem like Rozen would just give Rosa Mysticas to Kirakishou and not revive Souseiseki and Hinaichigo. But then again, he was (probably) the one who came up with the sick idea of the Alice Game.

[Neaco]

Well just finished watching the last ep. I just watched both seasons in around three days.

I still find it strange that I was watching a show about talking dolls. But whatever.. Shinku all the way! I really like her character.

The way 2nd season ended leaves many to be explained. But that's exactly how I like it. Let's go for a third :)

One thing I must say is - That rabbit still creeps me out. Really.

[blitz1/2]

Who is Kirakishou again?

I just finished watching episode 12. Season 3 can be something entirely new like a new protagionist. As for the enemies, it can be a rival dollmaker that makes (...) Maidens of his/her own.

[Flo]

Who is Kirakishou again?
http://kanaria.ddo.jp/rozen_upload2/rozen0852.jpg

[blitz1/2]

No offense to anyone but I like the fake Barasuisho's crystal hairclips better than Kirakishou's flower clips.

[Cyz]

the ending is....disappointing. souseiseki and hinaichigo didn't get back their rosa mystica. :topicoff: darn you rabbit!!!! trix is for kids

[Potatochobit]

they are making a shinku doll!!!


i have to get one....

[Neohybrid_kai]

just finished watching eps 12
I hope there is a third season for this series (with all those laplace and kirakishou stuff)

a bit of topic, but after watched the last eps I got some funny idea to make a comparison between the dolls and the seven deadly sins (don't know if someone has already write about this) here's mine:
Suigin Tou - Envy
Hina Ichigo - Gluttony
Suiseiseki - Lust
Souseiseki - Greed
Shinku - Wrath
Canaria - Sloth
Barasuishou - Pride
what do you think?

[Xellos-_^]

just finished watching eps 12
I hope there is a third season for this series (with all those laplace and kirakishou stuff)

a bit of topic, but after watched the last eps I got some funny idea to make a comparison between the dolls and the seven deadly sins (don't know if someone has already write about this) here's mine:
Suigin Tou - Envy
Hina Ichigo - Gluttony
Suiseiseki - Lust
Souseiseki - Greed
Shinku - Wrath
Canaria - Sloth
Barasuishou - Pride
what do you think?

All except Suiseiseki and Souseiseki unless the manga has some stuff inthere those two don't really fit the sin.

[Spectrum]

Canaria fits Pride better, IMO (all the smartest of the Rozen Maiden stuff), while a case could be made for Kirakishou then taking Sloth (just hanging out in N-space while the entire second season is taking place)

I'm not quite sure about Suiseiseki and Souseiseki, too, but not much really fits them from the sins.

[Radiosity]

Hmm:

Suigintou... yes, I can see that one in a way, because she could easily be envious of Shinku, the fact that Shinku is fully complete, has a good medium, and so on.

Hina Ichigo. Yep, spot on, the gluttonous little thing that she is (just how many full-sized burgers with flower shaped eggs on top can she eat?!)

Suiseiseki. Yeah, I'd agree with this one, because secretly she does lust after Jun and wants him to be her medium, even if she goes to silly lengths to deny it.

Souseiseki. As far as I know, she's quite different in the manga, so who knows, this might fit her quite well. But as an anime-only person, I'd say it doesn't fit her so well. Though... she does start the ball rolling, so she could be seen as greedy for starting the game (she wants the Roza for herself to become Alice). So yeah, I think Greed does suit her actually :)

Shinku. No way. No way in hell. Shinku would be Pride, if anything. She has a fierce pride in her own pacifist views on the Game, and prides herself on her manners, etiquette, relationships with others and so on. The only time's she's really shown wrath are at the end of either season at the main showdown, and those are both one-off occasions, not actually part of who she is.

Canaria. Initially, I wouldn't agree with Sloth, because she does take the initiaive and makes the first move against the other dolls. However, after a short while she settles down and grows somewhat complacent at Jun's, along with the other dolls, so Sloth would fit at that point.

Barasuishou. Wrath would fit Bara much better than Shinku IMHO.

[Thewanderer]

Suigintou: Envy
Hinaichigo: Gluttony
Suiseiseki: Lust
Souseiseki: Sloth
Shinku: Pride
Canaria: Greed
Barasuishou/Kirakishou: Wrath

Fixed.

But isn't there a list of good attributes that Rozen made them with? Like Beauty, Loyalty, Innocence, etc... I thought that there was.

[Radiosity]

Seven virtues to go with the seven sins isn't it? Hope, Chastity and all that.

[Thewanderer]

Seven virtues to go with the seven sins isn't it? Hope, Chastity and all that.
No, not that.

*is accidentally vague*:upset: :upset: :upset:

[Xellos-_^]

Seven virtues to go with the seven sins isn't it? Hope, Chastity and all that.

Is Chastity really a viture :eyebrow:

[Radiosity]

No, not that.

Sorry, I was a bit vague there as well, I wasn't really replying directly to your question. I was merely suggesting that it would probably be easy enough to fit each of them to a virtue as well as a sin.

edit: Xellos - yes it is, but not one that I personally abide by ;)

[Thewanderer]

Sorry, I was a bit vague there as well, I wasn't really replying directly to your question. I was merely suggesting that it would probably be easy enough to fit each of them to a virtue as well as a sin.
very true... anyone got a list of virtues?(and the attributes I was talking about as well, if possible)

[Radiosity]

Wow, there are more than I thought:

Faith is belief in the right things (including the virtues!).
Hope is taking a positive future view, that good will prevail.
Charity is concern for, and active helping of, others.
Fortitude is never giving up.
Justice is being fair and equitable with others.
Prudence is care of and moderation with money.
Temperance is moderation of needed things and abstinence from things which are not needed.

That's the Seven Virtues. However, there are also another seven that directly contravene the seven sins as well:

The Seven Contrary Virtues which are specific opposites to the Seven Deadly Sins:
Humility against pride,
Kindness against envy,
Abstinence against gluttony,
Chastity against lust,
Patience against anger,
Liberality against greed,
Diligence against sloth.

You learn something new every day :D

edit: Google (http://www.google.co.uk/) is your friend :D

[kira_lacusXX]

is there anyone here that can do gif avatars for rozen maiden traumend? i requested some in the request thread ages ago and no one answered...the post is http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=454106&postcount=109 if you can. thanks

[Scribble]

My question may get ignored again, but meh, whatever...

Did anyone begin to like Barasuishou more during the final few eps? When she first appeared in RM, I thought she was pretty bland. But her psychotic side portrayed in the last few episodes has really made me take a liking to her. I think she was better in the "main villain" role than Suigintou was.

And the echo thing is so annoying it's cool!

[Spectrum]

My question may get ignored again, but meh, whatever...

Did anyone begin to like Barasuishou more during the final few eps? When she first appeared in RM, I thought she was pretty bland. But her psychotic side portrayed in the last few episodes has really made me take a liking to her. I think she was better in the "main villain" role than Suigintou was.

And the echo thing is so annoying it's cool!
You are, perhaps, the only person so far who I've seen think that way.

Even when we didn't know why she was doing what she did, Gin-sama still had more character and awesomeness in her pinky than Barasuishou ever did.

[Radiosity]

Did anyone begin to like Barasuishou more during the final few eps? When she first appeared in RM, I thought she was pretty bland. But her psychotic side portrayed in the last few episodes has really made me take a liking to her. I think she was better in the "main villain" role than Suigintou was.

Nope. Complete opposite. Hated her more than I hated Suigintou in the first season (and I hated her a lot). That's primarily because she's screwing with the other dolls, and that irritated me when they were happily living as they wanted to live, with Jun.

[Scribble]

You are, perhaps, the only person so far who I've seen think that way.

Even when we didn't know why she was doing what she did, Gin-sama still had more character and awesomeness in her pinky than Barasuishou ever did.

I am thinking at the other end of the spectrum. Please forgive me for awful joke. I think that there is more to Suigintou's character than there is to Bara, but I love to despise villains (in a good way, you feel antagonised by the villain and not just the anime characters). Bara seemed like such a trouble maker, and I think she gains cool points for the way she took down the other dolls and how she manipulated some.

Nope. Complete opposite. Hated her more than I hated Suigintou in the first season (and I hated her a lot). That's primarily because she's screwing with the other dolls, and that irritated me when they were happily living as they wanted to live, with Jun.

This is what I meant above, you seem like you hate Barasuishou for what she has done as a villain. I love villains who you actually despise. If it's unclear as to what I mean, has anyone had the pleasure of experiencing King Hamdo's villainy? I really wanted to jump through my TV screen and beat the stuffing out of him, he angered me so much.

While Bara is far from his level, I think that I liked Bara better than 1st season Suigin because I was more like "Bara must go down" as opposed to "wow, Suigintou is cool"

[Radiosity]

Yeah, I understand what you mean, and I'd agree with your general sentiments :) However, I didn't consider Gin to be cool in season 1 (unlike a lot of others). I hated her primarily for the condescending attitude and particularly the friggin' laugh. In that respect, she beats Bara. But as a badguy/ villain, Bara wins.

I consider it to be a 'win' situation in an anime when I can truly despise the bad guy, and Bara certainly counts :)

[blitz1/2]

Suigintou's laugh from here to there is freaky and so is Bara's piercing eye when she was glowing in episode 2.

I think the villains were okay. (Both of them got sad deaths though)


This might be off topic but do you know what this is or what is it about?
http://www.taito.co.jp/d3/cp/rozenmaiden/

[Flo]

Suigintou's laugh from here to there is freaky and so is Bara's piercing eye when she was glowing in episode 2.

I think the villains were okay. (Both of them got sad deaths though)


This might be off topic but do you know what this is or what is it about?
http://www.taito.co.jp/d3/cp/rozenmaiden/
Season 1 perhaps (Although Bara takes the cake overall), Suigintou was never a villain in Season 2. Although her methods are not the 'Goody-Two-Shoe' way, she more of a Bad Goodguy of the show

[kitsura]

Suigintou's laugh from here to there is freaky and so is Bara's piercing eye when she was glowing in episode 2.

I think the villains were okay. (Both of them got sad deaths though)


This might be off topic but do you know what this is or what is it about?
http://www.taito.co.jp/d3/cp/rozenmaiden/
Rozen Maiden PS2 adventure game due in Mar which deals with the storyline for season 1.

[Cyz]

My question may get ignored again, but meh, whatever...

Did anyone begin to like Barasuishou more during the final few eps? When she first appeared in RM, I thought she was pretty bland. But her psychotic side portrayed in the last few episodes has really made me take a liking to her. I think she was better in the "main villain" role than Suigintou was.

And the echo thing is so annoying it's cool!
suiginto became in between. she's evil, but not too much anymore because she became too attach to megu (?). she still hates shinku though but on the final episode, it shows that she do cares for shinku also.
for barasuishou, yeah she's a bit psychotic :heh: and a cheater too (hitting ppl. from behind) anyway, i admire her determination though to become alice. too bad she disintegrated :eyebrow:

[blitz1/2]

I liked Barasuishou's powers and able to manipulate Suigintou. I think Bara already knows that she is not supposed to become Alice and just wants to become the ultimate doll.

[Cyz]

or maybe she wants to prove that she's the best doll ever. after all, she's created by rozen's jealous apprentice.

[blitz1/2]

In season 3, maybe it would be like Char's Counterattack in Gundam. Shinku and Suigintou have a final duel.

Or... they could have rival dollmakers that reincarnate another Alice makers and drag the Rozen Maidens in.

Or... Kirakishou can cause havoc. Personally, I think she'll control/command fields of flowers now because of her hairclips.

[Radiosity]

Hmm, flowers would kinda suck after the super-cool purple crystals... and besides, flowers/ petals are Shinku's territory :)

[blitz1/2]

I agree, Crystals will beat petals any day!

Bara's crystal sword was cool!

[Kuro]

Barasuishou was a really bad villain. She had no personality, which made me not even care when she did die at the end. I don't understand why she's so calm throughout the entire series, but at the end shrieks and demands Shinku from Jun. Kind of random.

Suigintou > Barasuishou

[Neohybrid_kai]

Shinku. No way. No way in hell. Shinku would be Pride, if anything. She has a fierce pride in her own pacifist views on the Game, and prides herself on her manners, etiquette, relationships with others and so on. The only time's she's really shown wrath are at the end of either season at the main showdown, and those are both one-off occasions, not actually part of who she is.

Barasuishou. Wrath would fit Bara much better than Shinku IMHO.

may be I got carried away by the last eps (and shinku is very scary when she's angry, remember when she's trying to make a cake? lol) but yeah, she's got pride (at least for not killing) and Bara seems fit much better.


My question may get ignored again, but meh, whatever...

Did anyone begin to like Barasuishou more during the final few eps? When she first appeared in RM, I thought she was pretty bland. But her psychotic side portrayed in the last few episodes has really made me take a liking to her. I think she was better in the "main villain" role than Suigintou was.

And the echo thing is so annoying it's cool!

hm.. I kind of understand her obsession to be her father's alice ^ ^ and the final scene is a bit touching for me, but one thing I can't accept, she hit people from behind. Almost screaming when I watch that part ^ ^ (that's not fair! :mad:)
so, suigintou > Barasuishou for me

[blitz1/2]

Barasuishou was a really bad villain. She had no personality, which made me not even care when she did die at the end. I don't understand why she's so calm throughout the entire series, but at the end shrieks and demands Shinku from Jun. Kind of random.

Suigintou > Barasuishou

Well, she is emotionless because she doesn't really have a RM which might represent a soul.

[Scribble]

Barasuishou was a really bad villain. She had no personality, which made me not even care when she did die at the end. I don't understand why she's so calm throughout the entire series, but at the end shrieks and demands Shinku from Jun. Kind of random.

Suigintou > Barasuishou


Yeah, I admit that at first I found it strange that Bara lost her calm behaviour during the final episodes suddenly. But then I realised that she became like this because she knew she was SO CLOSE to achieving everything she wanted to, and Shinku might make her lose out, which explains her shrieking at Jun.

I can't explain why she kept smiling when she was beaten by Shinku though, and the whole echoing thing. Maybe she just snapped in the head when Shinku gained the upper hand, or maybe she was trying to manipulate/taunt Shinku.
Gah, I dunno. Either way, I disagree with Suigintou being the better villain because even in series one, you felt sorry her because you could kind of detect that there was something wrong with her. And Bara was much more scheming.

and the final scene is a bit touching for me, but one thing I can't accept, she hit people from behind. Almost screaming when I watch that part ^ ^ (that's not fair! )
so, suigintou > Barasuishou for me

Again, this is what I mean, Bara's actions "as a villain" made you angry. Technically, Bara's scheming led to ALL of the dolls going down, EVEN the main one, Shinku, who we probably thought would win because "she is the heroine."

I like Suigintou's S2 personality, but in Season 1 my opinion of her was that she was a typical "bwahahahahaha I am here to fight and antagonise you" villain (unless someone can bring up parts where she wasn't I haven't seen season 1 for a year o_o;;), while in Season 2 Bara's did a "little bit here and there" to bring the other dolls down. She didn't show up constantly and try to kill them with crystals. She used other means to get to her goal.

[Owaranai Destiny]

I don't particularly hate any doll...But perhaps why Bara is hated so much because there isn't really an understanding as to why she fought so hard-aside from the obvious fact that any Maiden would fight hard for Father. Indeed, she was a better villain in many ways than one. While Suigintou might have used threats and 'blackmail' to force the dolls to a fight, Bara manipulated. She treats the alliance with Suigintou as nothing more than mere temporary cooperation and attacks her anyway when she stood in front of Shinku.

And the whole, maybe Bara didn't have a real personality or good character (because there was little emphasis on her in the first place) compared to Suigintou, but she is indeed a better villain, slowly revealing her hand, not all at once.

The reason why Suigintou's value as a villain went down is because she was fighting for another reason: To hide her defect, and not purely for the sake of destroying other dolls so that Father could make her Alice...as well as a perfect doll in the first place. Secondly, she showed unexpected compassion in S2 with Megumi and Shinku. And, @ Neohybrid kai: No one ever said they had to play fair. The title 'villain' should already show that much.

So there you have it. While I might agree to an extent that Suigintou is a better character than Bara, she was not really a better villain than her.

[blitz1/2]

Kirakishou might not be the villain for season 3 but could be the protagionist replacing Shinku much like how Shinn replaced Kira for a bit in GSD.

[Neaco]

Bara rules because of the eyepatch. For once, an eyepatch character that didn't automatically look like a pirate :)

If she won, this is probably what everyone would be wearing in season 3. lol

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/6106/fff349wv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Speaking of season three I really don't think they'll make Kirakishou another villian just because her character design is already similar to Bara's. Even if her personality is a total 180 from Baras or what not.

Now that darn bunnyman is a different matter. We really don't know if he has any powers but judging on how he simply does whatever he wants even to Bara/Enju says he might be indeed powerful. Even if he is not, he can teleport everywhere pretty darn well and could warp in from behind and strike you down before you even realized it.

[Scribble]

Yeah, I too am wondering what they will do with Kira in season 3 if there is one.
Kira can be evil in the manga at least, since Bara wasn't in it in the first place.

Haha, nice picture.

[blitz1/2]

Let Kira be the new heroine. She seems nice enough, I think.

[tea_servant]

everyone like this pic? thanks memento for this pic :love:

http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/images/rozenmaiden/cards/card.jpg

[blitz1/2]

everyone like this pic? thanks memento for this pic :love:

http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/images/rozenmaiden/cards/card.jpg

It's okay. But it's missing Bara and Suigintou-sama!

[grey_moon]

It's okay. But it's missing Bara and Suigintou-sama!

*Tries really hard to imagine Bara and Gin letting someone dress them up like dolls... *

But I love the pic! Only I want it in 1024x768 so I can wallpaper it please!!!!

[blitz1/2]

*Tries really hard to imagine Bara and Gin letting someone dress them up like dolls... *

But I love the pic! Only I want it in 1024x768 so I can wallpaper it please!!!!


I don't think Suigintou will work. She'll rather destroy the dress than wearing another one.

As for Bara, it's hard because she is emotionless so I think she'll wear a doll's outfit without complaining.

[grey_moon]

I don't think Suigintou will work. She'll rather destroy the dress than wearing another one.

As for Bara, it's hard because she is emotionless so I think she'll wear a doll's outfit without complaining.

I don't think shes emotionless, just no one apart from Enyu is worthy enough to be shown them. *thinks of epi 12 and sniffles*

But earlier I should have said I can't imagine them letting Micchan dress them up...

[blitz1/2]

"The friction is melting the face!"
LOL!

[grey_moon]

"The friction is melting the face!"
LOL!

Heh imagine the amount of friction to melt porcelain... Fear Micchan!!!

[Flo]

Solution: Get Megu to convince Gin to wear it.

[blitz1/2]

Solution: Get Megu to convince Gin to wear it.

Not really, Gin doesn't follow all of Megu's commands.

I'm trying to imagine how Kirakishou will wear the doll outfits.

[Flo]

Not really, Gin doesn't follow all of Megu's commands.

I'm trying to imagine how Kirakishou will wear the doll outfits.
If it could make Megu happy, I'm sure Gin will wear them. Beside without Megu it would be fortune that Gin even bothered to come to Micchan's house if convince by someone else. A miracle is needed if the others want Gin to dress up.

Suigintou's Daily Routine:
- Find cure for Megu
- Make Megu happy
- Piss Shinku off from time to time
- Buy/Drink Yakult

[blitz1/2]

Maybe if the other dolls ganged up on Gin and make her do it by force. Maybe that would work.

[Neaco]

Actually Gin secretly loves dressing up but as it would ruin her badass image (most importantly to Shinku) she's stuck watching everyone else have fun^^

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2703/4450ap.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[grey_moon]

@Neaco - Priceless :)

[Scribble]

I'm sorry, Barasuishou is the badass now.
*Remembers how she killed Kanaria and Shinku*:D

[Rosa Mystica]

I'm sorry, Barasuishou is the badass now.
*Remembers how she killed Kanaria and Shinku*:D

Yeah! No mercy!

[Neaco]

Somehow I wished Bara would have worn that hood in the anime a bit like she did in the OP. Nothing cooler than looking like the Sith emperor from Star Wars. And she could have done the cool hood removal thing. God I never get tired of seeing that.

Sure some say she's boring but here's ten things I like about Bara :)

10 - She tried to attack Jun in final ep, think about it, if Jun died wouldn't beating Shinku be easier for her? Even Gin wasn't that evil.
9 - Those crazy cat like eyes she has.
8 - Her scary outside the window visit she did in epsiode 4, that was really the only thing in the anime that scared the crap out of me.
7 - Main crystal attack of course, instant shish kabob!
6 - The hood swoosh in the OP
5 - The instant death crystalfication death attack she used on Suiseiseki, that's just insane.
4 - The Crystal sword
3 - The Shinku stab™ (She learned something from Shinn OMG)
2 - The hood swoosh^^
1 - the Eyepatch, nuff said.

[grey_moon]

Somehow I wished Bara would have worn that hood in the anime a bit like she did in the OP. Nothing cooler than looking like the Sith emperor from Star Wars. And she could have done the cool hood removal thing. God I never get tired of seeing that.

Sure some say she's boring but here's ten things I like about Bara :)

10 - She tried to attack Jun in final ep, think about it, if Jun died wouldn't beating Shinku be easier for her? Even Gin wasn't that evil.
9 - Those crazy cat like eyes she has.
8 - Her scary outside the window visit she did in epsiode 4, that was really the only thing in the anime that scared the crap out of me.
7 - Main crystal attack of course, instant shish kabob!
6 - The hood swoosh in the OP
5 - The instant death crystalfication death attack she used on Suiseiseki, that's just insane.
4 - The Crystal sword
3 - The Shinku stab™ (She learned something from Shinn OMG)
2 - The hood swoosh^^
1 - the Eyepatch, nuff said.

All very good points apart from 10... I think Gin was far more efil as she tried to break Jun mentally and just dragged it on like a cat playing with a mouse.

[Scribble]

All very good points apart from 10... I think Gin was far more efil as she tried to break Jun mentally and just dragged it on like a cat playing with a mouse.

Bara's far better at the mental games and the series seems to suggest that she's smarter. But Gin's a far better wind up merchant than Bara because of that laugh
:D

Looking at it now, I really hope Kira is exactly the same as Bara. We could easily see what Kira's personality is like if someone read the manga.

[Cyz]

Actually Gin secretly loves dressing up but as it would ruin her badass image (most importantly to Shinku) she's stuck watching everyone else have fun^^

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2703/4450ap.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

a kodak moment :p

[Scribble]

Wow, Suiseiseki really looks cool in that picture. I think she's the only one that looks good in her "second costume."

[Cyz]

the outfit matches well on her different colored eyes :)

[Flo]

Found this pic which I find it very interesting, I wish this would be 3rd season material but oh well, wishful thinking... XD

Btw can someone translate what it's saying? Thanks :)

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/9499/rozen10533em.jpg

[blitz1/2]

Looks like that they have finally become human!

[Flo]

Some1 in 4chan got Suigintou's translated~ thank you Anonymous, you won the internet =D

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2467/11393639334875kd.jpg

[blitz1/2]

Some1 in 4chan got Suigintou's translated~ thank you Anonymous, you won the internet =D

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2467/11393639334875kd.jpg

Very funny! I never knew Suigintou had a brother?! I wonder what are the other descriptions. Probably Shinku says that she is taking dictatorship school because of her "authority".

[Flo]

Very funny! I never knew Suigintou had a brother?! I wonder what are the other descriptions. Probably Shinku says that she is taking dictatorship school because of her "authority".
Brother means Jun.

Same goes for all the RMs.:heh:

EDIT: Anonymous wins the internet again.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1683/11393666664606da.jpg

[Decagon]

I'd like to be her brother. ;)

[Radiosity]

Wow, Hina Ichigo looks lovely there. So different to the chibi Ichigo we know and love :) Though... surely in Hina's case Jun would be the older brother? Suigintou and Shinku are the only two I'd invisage as being older than him in human form.

[Thewanderer]

I'd like to be her brother. ;)
Ditto.

*filler text*

[Flo]

More to come from 4chan. This time it's Barasuishou

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7776/11393691543408sx.jpg

[Decagon]

I'll lend a hand since you haven't gotten to it yet. Fresh from 4chan, Here's Souseiseki:
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7996/11393720599782li.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Neaco]

wow those are omega kawaii!!

Lactic acid bacteria believer hahaha.

I'd love to see a series based on this.

where's Suiseiseki-chan?

[Flo]

Two for the price of one. Suiseiseki and Shinku

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7451/11393758248220un.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5972/11393736208083rs.jpg

[Neaco]

There's another Suigintou one, I wonder why.
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7706/11393753710923rh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Guess while we're in the image posting mood here's some others.

Well not quite the dress pic people wanted but maybe it's better, mahou shoujo Gin and Shinku :)
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/2083/113929973273021wi.th.jpg (http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=113929973273021wi.jpg)

Megu and Micchan!
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/8471/11393007207232nf.th.jpg (http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11393007207232nf.jpg)

Kunkun Shinku^^
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4594/113921344929718ct.th.jpg (http://img51.imageshack.us/my.php?image=113921344929718ct.jpg)

[Flo]

Kanaria is finally up ~kashira!

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2896/11393817482228ap.jpg

[KiNA]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Flo again.


Yey for Kana ^-^. She's 2nd? I always thought it was Shinku >.<

[Potatochobit]

when i first saw kanaria i didnt much like her design and wasnt sure if i could accept the way she was talking. but after a few episodes i grew to love her very much. i like the way she always doubts herself but then tries to do it.

one thing i didnt like too much was the umbrella. i thought it was too prissy. maybe like a bad mary poppins.it could be that they were trying to give her utility. that is, showing that a woman needs her accessories. such as in the last episode she had the backpack with all the stuff in it. but when she took out the violyn, i was excited at what might happen.

i was really turned on at how each song had its own name. the songs should have been more powerful though or could have assisted the other dolls in battle. that would have been my little cherry on top. i still really liked the final battle scene for kanaria though.

and the photo shoot.... more pics of the photo shoot please :)

[Flo]

Chibi Gin

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6821/11393961656502ms.jpg

[Muir Woods]

one thing i didnt like too much was the umbrella. i thought it was too prissy. maybe like a bad mary poppins.it could be that they were trying to give her utility. that is, showing that a woman needs her accessories. such as in the last episode she had the backpack with all the stuff in it. but when she took out the violyn, i was excited at what might happen.
If you got the impression that the umbrella was too prissy, then the umbrella has done its job. Prissiness is an attribute that corresponded well with Kanaria's self-indulging personality, and in that sense, the umbrella was fitting to Kanaria. It's much like Shinku's cane that highlights her elegance and sophistication.

Finally, those images are translated, hurray. I requested some of them to be translated at 4chan months ago but I was rejected :sad: . Anyways, if you're interested, the artist's hompage is here (http://homepage3.nifty.com/PLASTICERASER/). One of the better fan artists of Rozen Maiden.

[blitz1/2]

I would like to be Bara's brother.

[Flo]

Finally, those images are translated, hurray. I requested some of them to be translated at 4chan months ago but I was rejected :sad: . Anyways, if you're interested, the artist's hompage is here (http://homepage3.nifty.com/PLASTICERASER/). One of the better fan artists of Rozen Maiden.

It started off by an Anonymous who wants to find the website of the raw pic yesterday. Then tons of Anonymous demands translation, then finally one Anonymous translate them.

Ahhh~ the power of Anonymous. :D

Btw are you Humbert Humbert?

[Cyz]

i demand for season 3

[KiNA]

It started off by an Anonymous who wants to find the website of the raw pic yesterday. Then tons of Anonymous demands translation, then finally one Anonymous translate them.

Ahhh~ the power of Anonymous. :D

Btw are you Humbert Humbert?
No.. but I am anonymous :D

[Flo]

No.. but I am anonymous :D
I'm refering to Muir Woods

And I'm Anonymous too...:heh:

[blitz1/2]

Everyone is anonymous. I wonder if there are any death threats to the directors yet.

[Keitaro]

i demand for season 3

Watashi mo. They pratically set Rozen Maiden up for another season at the end of Traumend, If they decide not to then I'm going to be totally pissed and will probably petition the creators of Rozen Maiden. :upset:

[blitz1/2]

Instead of giving the directors death threats, you should give them more ideas on season 3 and how to improve their product.

[Xellos-_^]

Instead of giving the directors death threats, you should give them more ideas on season 3 and how to improve their product.

you mean like sending them H-doujins :naughty: great idea :D

[Muir Woods]

Btw are you Humbert Humbert?
Refer to this hint (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=428066&postcount=80) if you're still unsure. It could not be any more blatant than that without directly answering the question.
And Tomoe's translation is up:
http://img426.imageshack.us/img426/7277/tomoe32p7js.jpg

Too bad the artist did not do Nori.

[blitz1/2]

Refer to this hint (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=428066&postcount=80) if you're still unsure. It could not be any more blatant than that without directly answering the question.
And Tomoe's translation is up:
http://img426.imageshack.us/img426/7277/tomoe32p7js.jpg

Too bad the artist did not do Nori.

Whoa! Double stalker! o_O

[Neaco]

yay Tomoe-chan!! She's my favorite non-doll character.

Something else I found on 4chan

Rozen Maiden doujin fighting game!!!

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/830/image39ix.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Suiseiseki Exploding Microwave Attack^^


Get the demo here:
http://ugi.ksdc.jp/rozen.zip

Main site, it has the character combo charts if you can read the menu on the left.
http://nori200575.hp.infoseek.co.jp/

[grey_moon]

Wow, Hina Ichigo looks lovely there. So different to the chibi Ichigo we know and love :) Though... surely in Hina's case Jun would be the older brother? Suigintou and Shinku are the only two I'd invisage as being older than him in human form.

Maybe they are being referred to as when they were made, we know most of the maidens are way older then Jun, but I guess that the artist is inferring that Bara was made after Jun was born...

Thanks for posting the pics, they really made my day :)

[blitz1/2]

I wonder what is Jun's description.

[grey_moon]

I wonder what is Jun's description.

Mentally disturbed by years of sexual harassment by his sisters? Breaks out in hives whenever touched by a girl... No wait that's another anime :p

[blitz1/2]

Mentally disturbed by years of sexual harassment by his sisters? Breaks out in hives whenever touched by a girl... No wait that's another anime :p

That would be unfortunate for Jun.

[Keitaro]

Instead of giving the directors death threats, you should give them more ideas on season 3 and how to improve their product.

Yeah sure like they would listen to me anyway. -_-

[blitz1/2]

Probably, you never know. I just hope Mediums play a bigger role in season 3.

[Xellos-_^]

Yeah sure like they would listen to me anyway. -_-

Like i said, just sent them a ton of Rozen Maiden hentai Doujin. They will get the point.

[blitz1/2]

Anything you expect from season 3?

These are what I expect from it.
- Kirakishou can be the protagonist
- Explain more about Laplace's demon.
- Mediums become more involved.
- Shinku and Suigintou have a giant duel.

[Spectrum]

I want:
-Shinku and Suigintou publicly feuding while privately having touching/tender/loving/adorable moments in Shinku's dream tea room (Gin-sama has a reputation to consider!)
-Kanaria's misadventures
-Kirakishou to not piss me off when she's introduced
-More GinxMegu
-Some Sui angst
-More TomoexJun

[Thewanderer]

-Kirakishou to not piss me off when she's introducedI second that.-Shinku and Suigintou publicly feuding while privately having touching/tender/loving/adorable moments in Shinku's dream tea room (Gin-sama has a reputation to consider!)o.O

[Flo]

Zomg, Hina Ichigo's oppai is the biggest in human form ~nano.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1815/11395228883865kz.jpg

Season 3 needs

- More Gin
- More Megu
- More Kirakishou
- Megu vs Tomoe
- More Maiden Gear Rozen by Kanaria Snake
- Ridiculous Super Saiya Jin Battles
- Change the Title from Rozen Maiden to Rozen Sentai
- Need Mechas for the dolls to pilot for Rozen Maidens vs Godzilla, with Ultraman as Cameo
- Haado Gei as guest star on one episode
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7853/11381043879029tg.jpg

[blitz1/2]

I want:
-Shinku and Suigintou publicly feuding while privately having touching/tender/loving/adorable moments in Shinku's dream tea room (Gin-sama has a reputation to consider!)
-Kanaria's misadventures
-Kirakishou to not piss me off when she's introduced
-More GinxMegu
-Some Sui angst
-More TomoexJun

What do you mean by "Kirakishou to not piss me off when she's introduced"?

[Keitaro]

Like i said, just sent them a ton of Rozen Maiden hentai Doujin. They will get the point.

Hm...let me think, sounds like a fantastic idea...........NOT. :p Seriously, I could give them so much suggestions for S3 its not even funny. S1 was good, in S2 I was like WTF happen to one of my favorite anime series. O_O

[pianocello]

Things we need in season 3:
The dolls become human
Epilogue set years in the future - two of the characters get married.

[Maids! Maids! Maids!]

I hope I'm not stepping on any toes here, but I've found a lot of Rozen Maiden images that I like a lot, and I wanted to share:

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/1097/tetchi200602081139361483340ma.th.jpg (http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tetchi200602081139361483340ma.jpg) http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/5236/desktop2006020911394868664js.th.jpg (http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktop2006020911394868664js.jpg) http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/7227/desktop2006013011385538532ya.th.jpg (http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktop2006013011385538532ya.jpg)

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/768/sg2006013011385514831264wh.th.jpg (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sg2006013011385514831264wh.jpg) http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7715/tetchi2006020611391994872104ep.th.jpg (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tetchi2006020611391994872104ep.jpg) http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2254/tetchi2006020511391393005699ao.th.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tetchi2006020511391393005699ao.jpg)

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3190/rozen20maiden20wallpaper4nx.th.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rozen20maiden20wallpaper4nx.jpg) http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5312/ronzen6sl.th.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ronzen6sl.jpg) http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1438/ronzenmaiden4hj.th.jpg (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ronzenmaiden4hj.jpg)

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1038/sg2006020511390816736976hk.th.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sg2006020511390816736976hk.jpg) http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1396/tetchi2006020911394860186043mt.th.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tetchi2006020911394860186043mt.jpg) http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/994/cg0916ho.th.jpg (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cg0916ho.jpg)

If nobody objects, I have more I could post.

[Neaco]

Sure why not, must keep the RM thread alive :)

Here's some of mine.

I like this first one for some reason.
http://img446.imageshack.us/img446/607/rozen0389mf.jpg
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5995/rozenmaiden0110240oj.jpg
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1034/rozenmaiden9tp.jpg
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3908/0046bu.jpg
http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/7469/2005120711339605983834kd.jpg

[Maids! Maids! Maids!]

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/8695/2006020411390339628516ck.th.jpg (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2006020411390339628516ck.jpg) http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1509/2006020411390645102620oa.th.jpg (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2006020411390645102620oa.jpg) http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1161/2006020311389364396231ss.th.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2006020311389364396231ss.jpg) http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3307/2006020211388103817031zw.th.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2006020211388103817031zw.jpg) http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5553/2006012911385131207608sl.th.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2006012911385131207608sl.jpg)

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6094/cg1153xp.th.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cg1153xp.jpg) http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7123/rozen0366dh.th.jpg (http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rozen0366dh.jpg) http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/66/sg2006013011385559958252um.th.jpg (http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sg2006013011385559958252um.jpg) http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7721/11330300873031vn.th.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11330300873031vn.jpg) http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/56/tetchi2006020911394141148714kk.th.jpg (http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tetchi2006020911394141148714kk.jpg)

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/535/tetchi200602051139150349557nf.th.jpg (http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tetchi200602051139150349557nf.jpg) http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6004/tetchi2006020511390661511135kc.th.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tetchi2006020511390661511135kc.jpg) http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5306/tetchi2006020511391466082400qa.th.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tetchi2006020511391466082400qa.jpg) http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/6166/tetchi2006020611391537039268lw.th.jpg (http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tetchi2006020611391537039268lw.jpg) http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3577/tetchi2006020811393648216156po.th.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tetchi2006020811393648216156po.jpg) http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/1544/sg2006013011385530048687xl.th.jpg (http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sg2006013011385530048687xl.jpg)

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8158/0011np.th.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0011np.jpg) http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/4190/479zx.th.jpg (http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=479zx.jpg) http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/9586/14779minitokyoanimewallpapersr.th.jpg (http://img462.imageshack.us/my.php?image=14779minitokyoanimewallpapersr.jpg) http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/9372/11348982170619tc.th.jpg (http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11348982170619tc.jpg)

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/9266/desktop2006020911394871353si.th.jpg (http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktop2006020911394871353si.jpg) http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/4417/desktop2006020511391349628wo.th.jpg (http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktop2006020511391349628wo.jpg) http://img428.imageshack.us/img428/2228/desktop2006012611382694553ng.th.jpg (http://img428.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktop2006012611382694553ng.jpg) http://img428.imageshack.us/img428/6841/2006013111386993172490ty.th.jpg (http://img428.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2006013111386993172490ty.jpg)

[KiNA]

Must.
Save.
All.
Gin-sama.
Pic.

>.<

EDIT: waaa.. there's a code preventing all capitals in a post :twitch: I never knew that o_O

[blitz1/2]

Nice pics everybody!

[Forever]

I agree. More Megu is needed for third season

Needs
Jun to meet megu
Megu vs Tomoe for JUn
More gin vs shinku

[grey_moon]

Thanks for the piccies, but I think my mouse finger is suffering from RSI.

S3: Michan dressing Jun up like a doll... and him desperately trying to escape

[Owaranai Destiny]

I agree. More Megu is needed for third season

Needs
Jun to meet megu
Megu vs Tomoe for JUn
More gin vs shinku

I was thinking along that line too. :heh: But for what reason will Megu want to get involved in that way with Jun?

[Flo]

Errr Luv at 1st sight??? :heh:

[Owaranai Destiny]

Errr Luv at 1st sight??? :heh:

:heh: The possibilities....You might have to consider the possible age difference though.

I would agree completely, however, that the three mediums we see so far should meet sometime if there is going to be another season.

[Flo]

Or that all mediums meet up face to face in a Medium Gathering, thanks to Kanaria into convincing everyone. Of cos Gin will be reluctant but will go anyway to keep an eye on Megu while pissing Shinku off.

Gin: Shinku you *Censored* *Deleted Naugthy Word* *Something that kids should not be saying*...
Shinku: *Ignores*
Gin: And to watch a childish show like Kun Kun, hmph what a joke.
Shinku: *Snaps* HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE GREAT KUN KUN! *Charge towards Gin* I'LL KICK YOUR ASS RAAAAWWWWWWRRRRR!!!
Gin: Bring it on *beep*!
*Dolly catfight of the century begins :heh: *

So Jun, Tomoe (former Medium is still medium), the old man, Micchan and Megu meet up in N-Field. Micchan would glomp Jun, Tomoe and Megu and give them the cheek to cheek friction burn of DOOM for being soooooo kawaii!!! The dolls of cos have to kick Micchan's ass before Jun, Tomoe and Megu gets skin burn at the face.

:heh:

[grey_moon]

The dolls of cos have to kick Micchan's ass before Jun, Tomoe and Megu gets skin burn at the face.

:heh:

Or they could all get CORRECTed

[blitz1/2]

Or that all mediums meet up face to face in a Medium Gathering, thanks to Kanaria into convincing everyone. Of cos Gin will be reluctant but will go anyway to keep an eye on Megu while pissing Shinku off.

Gin: Shinku you *Censored* *Deleted Naugthy Word* *Something that kids should not be saying*...
Shinku: *Ignores*
Gin: And to watch a childish show like Kun Kun, hmph what a joke.
Shinku: *Snaps* HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE GREAT KUN KUN! *Charge towards Gin* I'LL KICK YOUR ASS RAAAAWWWWWWRRRRR!!!
Gin: Bring it on *beep*!
*Dolly catfight of the century begins :heh: *

So Jun, Tomoe (former Medium is still medium), the old man, Micchan and Megu meet up in N-Field. Micchan would glomp Jun, Tomoe and Megu and give them the cheek to cheek friction burn of DOOM for being soooooo kawaii!!! The dolls of cos have to kick Micchan's ass before Jun, Tomoe and Megu gets skin burn at the face.

:heh:

Unfortunately Suigintou does watch Kunkun :heh:
http://s29.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1OJH0S69JG0QQ34YR50IVAI576


If there is a fight, I vote Kanaria as Jerry Springer :p
Kana! Kana!


EDIT: Did you notice there are no Rozen Maiden fanfics anywhere? I'm making the first step. I'll post it up at fanfiction.net as soon as it is done.