Rozen Maiden ~Träumend~ (Season 2)

[devilgirl11]

thats actually quite a good amv ^__^ its well synced and the music makes it perfectly dark themed...you need a cookie ^_^

cookie *drools*

[TamaNeko]

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5569/1160975427177lz8.jpg

After seeing this pic, I suddenly realized - out of all the dolls, Shinku is actually the most lolified of them all. Sure, Hina and Kanaria look younger, but they're designed moreso for the cuteness factor.

However, Shinku, beneath that prim, proper attitude of hers and supposed matureness, her form is the perfect form for the pedo genre. Small, petite body with those ponytails and the one who got the most blatant fanservice moment out of all the dolls with that nightie of hers...

tl;dr...if you like Shinku, you're a pedo. No wonder 4chan had a tripcoder, appropriately named Humbert, was so obsessed with her. :cool:

[Mincemaker]

Where you get that? But yeah......she does look like a little girl despite the matureness. Even Jun said that she looks like a little girl in episode 1.

As for Suigintou hime-sama, there is no way anyone can call her loli or 'little girl', because she certainly looked adult.

Wait, are you saying Rozen's a lolicon?

[physics223]

I'm saying that I love Rozen Maiden and can't wait for a season to wrap it all up ^^.

[devilgirl11]

I'm saying that I love Rozen Maiden and can't wait for a season to wrap it all up ^^.

i think we all wait for that ^^

[Lost]

the lyrics are just as you said but that wont make the series any worse :heh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wLGLP8rt3o
ha i found the bestest video what they deleted ^^
Very very nice, thanks for finding that. Not only does the tune create just the right atmosphere, but listen to Madonna's lyrics, they're actually quite fitting! Hmm. I wonder if Madonna watches Rozen Maiden with her children.. :eyespin:

Seeing Gin's death again makes me sad. But; knowing as how Gin is not supposed to have a stomach into ~Traumend~, its funny how none of Bara's crystal's went thru to Shinku. Does this mean that Gin was recreated from the start of ~Traumend~ with a mid-section? Could that mean that it was Rozen after all who brought her back to life?

OH, Shinku a loli? Even better, more to add to the Ero Post! :heh:

tl;dr...if you like Shinku, you're a pedo. No wonder 4chan had a tripcoder, appropriately named Humbert, was so obsessed with her.
OMG. The link!! Shinku... Lolita... Pedo... Humbert. You get a cookie for that.

Nah, Rozen's the father of the loli, We are the lolicons :p

I vote for Suiseiseki as the real loli!!
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7724/1142137542209xf6.jpg

[the.Merines]

Suiseiseki is all things to all people. Except those who hate her.

[Suiseiseki]

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5569/1160975427177lz8.jpg

After seeing this pic, I suddenly realized - out of all the dolls, Shinku is actually the most lolified of them all. Sure, Hina and Kanaria look younger, but they're designed moreso for the cuteness factor.

However, Shinku, beneath that prim, proper attitude of hers and supposed matureness, her form is the perfect form for the pedo genre. Small, petite body with those ponytails and the one who got the most blatant fanservice moment out of all the dolls with that nightie of hers...

tl;dr...if you like Shinku, you're a pedo. No wonder 4chan had a tripcoder, appropriately named Humbert, was so obsessed with her. :cool:
If Shinku looked older than we wouldn't have any cute images of her like this one:
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/851/shinkumc5.th.jpg (http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/851/shinkumc5.jpg)

Seeing Gin's death again makes me sad. But; knowing as how Gin is not supposed to have a stomach into ~Traumend~, its funny how none of Bara's crystal's went thru to Shinku. Does this mean that Gin was recreated from the start of ~Traumend~ with a mid-section? Could that mean that it was Rozen after all who brought her back to life?
If you watch Shinku place the deceased Gin onto the ground after Bara stab Gin to death, you would see Gin's dress falls down through the spot where her waist would be at. So no Rozen didn't give Gin a mid-section at the start of Traumend.

I believe that bastard bunny was the one responsible of bringing Gin back to "life". I don't believe she died at the end of the first season since her Rosa Mystica was never taken by Shinku.

[Shinku]

Suiseiseki i found a perfect video for you desu :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7NbnsH-mPU
here is a video of hinaichigo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZhZnVixR-o
here are my favs bara and suigintou:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBX-p2Uf7oc
the best one! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwkkF9vkp6o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r5vIoKGOIU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm55a9d2slg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czicmAhKhJU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKHRVTb9mLc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OcdqBcKPQU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcgEBAbnYzA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAEirIbTdnQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYT6bee8gVU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrucFUjJV4E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjAojqg_qrg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvjEp_uzPmY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF_nEDSaKIQ
last one ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbcvtMXqGx0
thats about it i'll send the pics later :D
wow thats a lot. anyways awesome vids
Correction! It's Hair Lashing!

Hmmm....that part of the lyric sounds like Jun's going to become a masochist and Shinku's becoming a sadist.


THeres nothing wrong with a girl flinging her hair *cough* at people

[Mincemaker]

Very very nice, thanks for finding that. Not only does the tune create just the right atmosphere, but listen to Madonna's lyrics, they're actually quite fitting! Hmm. I wonder if Madonna watches Rozen Maiden with her children.. :eyespin:

Seeing Gin's death again makes me sad. But; knowing as how Gin is not supposed to have a stomach into ~Traumend~, its funny how none of Bara's crystal's went thru to Shinku. Does this mean that Gin was recreated from the start of ~Traumend~ with a mid-section? Could that mean that it was Rozen after all who brought her back to life?

OH, Shinku a loli? Even better, more to add to the Ero Post! :heh:


OMG. The link!! Shinku... Lolita... Pedo... Humbert. You get a cookie for that.

Nah, Rozen's the father of the loli, We are the lolicons :p

I vote for Suiseiseki as the real loli!!
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7724/1142137542209xf6.jpg

Honestly, Suiseiseki resembles a teenager. Shinku....on the other hand.....loli.

And I stand by my word that Suigintou hime-sama looks adult.

[Alu]

Well I might not exactly be the best person to speak on this subject.. ; but since I often like to joke arround it.. :p

Some pictures can realy be over-explicit sometimes, as such happens in that Sui pic Lost posted, in which.. Sui has been compleatly "lolified"; however in what relates to the Shinku one.., that's a diferent story..

Of course it is pretty obvious that Hina & Kana are portrayed in using the "cuteness" factor.., giving us a more child-ish like appearence ; since in fact when compared to most of the other Rozen Maiden.., they are in fact "child's".

Apart from some particular scenes in the story development, mostely they're manners & attitudes are simply just an explosion of cuteness / sillyness.., where nothing else realy comes into play.

On Gin now.., definitly out of all the Rozen Maiden she clearly is the one that seems a more adult appearence, and sometimes this is often emphasized by her own aspects of personality.

Gin has in fact has been the lead of the most tragic aspects of the entire story, giving her a extreamly deep, dark & emmotional caracter ; ..somethings which lead most to love her simply because of such.
Hence, given all of the emmotional charge, and specialy after knowing her devotion to Megu.., Gin definitly comes out as the more adult of the Rozen Maiden.

And speaking of devotion now.., Sou could in fact be considered in the same aspects as Shinku, for she aswell holds a strong personality on the outside, never showing her true feelings, but inside she is compleatly diferent..

However.., such aspects are never given to us through the series ; and specialy not in the same scale as Shinku's..
Hence.., the last image we get of Sou beeing someone who true to her decisions, even though she might end up seeing them rong inside.., her devotion to them is just that great.. ; passing her.., much like Gin, into a much more adult prespective.

What realy now is the main diference that sets Shinku aside more as a loli then all of the rest.., is.. to put it in simple words.., Shinku is a Tsundere :) ; and THAT when compared to Sui is shown much more in her caracter through out the series.

Sui despite most of the times beeing afraid to show her feelings and acting all tough aswell, she does in fact end up showing them more then any other Rozen Maiden.

So, even though Sui is the shyest of the Rozen Maiden.., she oftenly when confronted by a dificult situation cries down and we end up seeing her tough barrier simply crumble and fade away.., something that holds a huge diference on relation to Shinku's caracter.

But well.., the main problem regarding Sui is that.., due to her mischevous attitude & aspects.., sometimes those are the personality aspects that people end up grabbing, which then end up taking a huge part in what her personality realy consists in.

Shinku now, when I said that more then others she is to be portrayed as a tsundere is because.., even though like Sui she puts up a emotion barrier from others while deep inside her feelings are diferent.., she does not let her barrier down on almost Any ocasion.

So.., when she finaly did during the scenes (which can also be seen as fanservice) of her talking with Jun while using his shirt, and crying when she saw Gin was still alive.., it gives us a certain appeal to want to know more on this side of Shinku.

Something that beneath all the up-tight attitude & manners, realy shows us a much more emmotional Shinku, as this beeing her true self which she is perhaps afraid to show.
Then adding now the ponytails & other phisical aspects.., yes.. she then does portray alot more loli factors then any other Rozen Maiden.

But its realy because of this true-self aspect, which is rarely revealed that, I belive leads to the fixation that some people have on her.

If we where to take a more in-dept look at All the Rozen Maiden.., yes.., All of them could in fact be portrayed within the "loli-mold", however when personalities come into place, Shinku's is definitly the one that suits the gender better.

But true fact is.. your all a bunch of lolicons in the end :p

[Mincemaker]

And *you* are not?

[Alu]

And *you* are not?

Me ? Not realy... ^^

Altough I do have alot of friends who literaly go "ahhh.." over Ilya from Fate-stay for example :p
..; I myself just get a kick trying to analyse what the fixation is all about ;)

( but I do joke arround it :p )

[JHawkNH]

Me ? Not realy... ^^

Altough I do have alot of friends who literaly go "ahhh.." over Ilya from Fate-stay for example :p
..; I myself just get a kick trying to analyse what the fixation is all about ;)

( but I do joke arround it :p )

The phrase "Denial isn't just a river in Africa" pops into my head. :p

[JHawkNH]

If you watch Shinku place the deceased Gin onto the ground after Bara stab Gin to death, you would see Gin's dress falls down through the spot where her waist would be at. So no Rozen didn't give Gin a mid-section at the start of Traumend.

I believe that bastard bunny was the one responsible of bringing Gin back to "life". I don't believe she died at the end of the first season since her Rosa Mystica was never taken by Shinku.

This brought up a question for me.
Most of the explinations I have seen as to why Hina and Soi did not come back to life at the end of the season was because both were beaten by real Rozen Maidens. But then why did Gin come back? She was beaten by Shinku at the end of the first season.:confused:

[Shikimori Kazuki]

This brought up a question for me.
Most of the explinations I have seen as to why Hina and Soi did not come back to life at the end of the season was because both were beaten by real Rozen Maidens. But then why did Gin come back? She was beaten by Shinku at the end of the first season.:confused:

Indeed Suijintou has been beaten but do note the fact that her (Sujintou) Rosa Mystica has not been take. As a result, Sugintou continues to live since she still retains her Rosa Mystica with her:p.

Gin came back at in season 2 because Rozen wanted to to start off the Rozen Maiden game with all 7 players in it. Also, since Gin wasnt *completed* during season 1, bringing back Gin in season 2 can enable Rozen to finish her torso off.

However, this leaves me a question regarding Gin. During Season 2, when Gin is back, is her torso repaired or is it still there? or....did Gin only have their torso back at the end of Season 2 where Rozen touches her torso showing us viewers the sign that he Rozen had indeed repaired Sugintou.

[Mamori86]

suigintou is not *complete* until the very end of season two

[Shinku]

I'm saying that I love Rozen Maiden and can't wait for a season to wrap it all up ^^.

we are all eager for the third season to come up and finish the series just like the third episode of Xenosaga. There were soo many questions yet to be answered.

[Lost]

Honestly, Suiseiseki resembles a teenager. Shinku....on the other hand.....loli.
Lol thats funny, comparing the two again, I actually feel that Shinku looks more like the teenager than Suiseiseki, who imo really is completely lolified.

[the.Merines]

suigintou is not *complete* until the very end of season two

Correct. The director made a point to show Rozen placing pressure on Gin-sama's stomach, indicating that he had completed her. The other ramifications of this action, such as other ways to become Alice or Rozen growing soft, are huge.

[JHawkNH]

Indeed Suijintou has been beaten but do note the fact that her (Sujintou) Rosa Mystica has not been take. As a result, Sugintou continues to live since she still retains her Rosa Mystica with her:p.

The only problem that I have with this is that Hina's Rosa Mystica was never taken either, but once the Alice Games had offically started, she was forced to give it up to Shinku.
Why did the same thing not happen to Gin?

Gin came back at in season 2 because Rozen wanted to to start off the Rozen Maiden game with all 7 players in it. Also, since Gin wasnt *completed* during season 1, bringing back Gin in season 2 can enable Rozen to finish her torso off.

*Along the same lines

The game did not start will all 7 players at the begining of season 2. Hina was already disqulified. Why wasn't she allowed to continue like everyone else?

[Suiseiseki]

Lol thats funny, comparing the two again, I actually feel that Shinku looks more like the teenager than Suiseiseki, who imo really is completely lolified.

I dare you call Sui a loli to her face. She'll kick you in the crotch so hard your jewels will end up on Pluto!
Shinku is loli. Sui is a teen. Sou is a teen. Gin is an young adult. Hina and Kana are young kids. And Bara is hot.

The only problem that I have with this is that Hina's Rosa Mystica was never taken either, but once the Alice Games had offically started, she was forced to give it up to Shinku.
Why did the same thing not happen to Gin?



*Along the same lines

The game did not start will all 7 players at the begining of season 2. Hina was already disqulified. Why wasn't she allowed to continue like everyone else?
Perhaps Hina said na no one to many times?

[blitz1/2]

I dare you call Sui a loli to her face. She'll kick you in the crotch so hard your jewels will end up on Pluto!
Shinku is loli. Sui is a teen. Sou is a teen. Gin is an young adult. Hina and Kana are young kids. And Bara is hot.


Perhaps Hina said na no one to many times?

If you say Bara is hot, I guess Kira will fit in the same category?

[mac_pack]

Holy crap! I leave for a few weeks and this happens! Rozen Maiden finally has its on own section! Awesome.:D

[Shinku]

I dare you call Sui a loli to her face. She'll kick you in the crotch so hard your jewels will end up on Pluto!
Shinku is loli. Sui is a teen. Sou is a teen. Gin is an young adult. Hina and Kana are young kids. And Bara is hot.


Perhaps Hina said na no one to many times?
xD lol SHinku is loli, i guess Sousei would be also young adult because shes more mature. lol the funny part is that Sou is younger then Suisei
If you say Bara is hot, I guess Kira will fit in the same category?
lol any good comment about Bara or Kira Blitz will like.

[grey_moon]

Lolicons? Surely we are all dolicons!!!

PS Hiya all, its great we have our own section now, but my history is messed up so I need to go back to see what I have missed..

*Edit*
Just caught up on this thread, happy belated birthday Kismet-chan and nice analysis on their personalities Alu

I dare you call Sui a loli to her face. She'll kick you in the crotch so hard your jewels will end up on Pluto!
Shinku is loli. Sui is a teen. Sou is a teen. Gin is an young adult. Hina and Kana are young kids. And Bara is hot.


Hmmm personally I wouldn't say that Kana is a young kid.... Hina is the only one I think who can hold that crown. Some of the things she does is immature, but it reminds me of a person trying to stay a child then someone who is really a child.

*/Edit*

[Lost]

I dare you call Sui a loli to her face. She'll kick you in the crotch so hard your jewels will end up on Pluto!
Shinku is loli. Sui is a teen.
But but.. she commands me to call her loli every night!! And spank.. :uhoh: Anyway, that was just going by those 2 pictures. Sui as a teenager or loli; I've never given much thought to it, and I dont see any reason to expend energy to that end. :heh:

Welcome back grey_moon. :) Kana is just immature, imho.

[JHawkNH]

I dare you call Sui a loli to her face. She'll kick you in the crotch so hard your jewels will end up on Pluto!

I don't even know if she could kick that high.:confused:

Besides, Pluto is to far. Your jewels would probably end up just above Uranis. :heh:

[Kikaifan]

We've already seen Shinku's methods for dealing out pain to tall folk- hit them in the shins real hard first, then pummel them when they fall.

[Suiseiseki]

But but.. she commands me to call her loli every night!! And spank.. :uhoh: Anyway, that was just going by those 2 pictures. Sui as a teenager or loli; I've never given much thought to it, and I dont see any reason to expend energy to that end. :heh:

She makes you spank you?! If I tried that, she spanks me with a baseball ball!

We've already seen Shinku's methods for dealing out pain to tall folk- hit them in the shins real hard first, then pummel them when they fall.

That sounds more like Sui's method of attack. Shinku slaps or whips the victim with her hair.

[ChibiAurora]

How did I end up here....? ^^;

I suppose it went like this:

I was browsing the web minding my own business when I came accross a rumor that there might be a third season of the Rozen Maiden anime. Being the crazy fanatic I am, I decided to google "Rozen Maiden Third Season" and one of the links provided by said search engine was to one of the (numerous) pages of this very thread XD. So I foud out that there is, in fact, no third season as of yet, but there is an OVA XD so thank you all for that valuable information ^^


I am a SuiginTou fan, just so you know that XD

Why am I a SuiginTou fan? Well, if it wasn't for her, I would never have known of the wonder that is Rozen Maiden. Seriously. I was looking for pictures of anime angels and came accross a picture of her. Unfortunately, the names SuiginTou or Rozen Maiden were not mentioned anywhere on the site...so I went and searched through anime pics until I finally found her @.@ ........so then......I wondered if the anime could be found on youtube and (yay!) I found it! watched the first season in one day, and then waited a bit for the second season to be uploaded. My favorite was SuiginTou even before I knew her name! XD And now, that I have seen her character development, I like her even more!

yeah......I was going to read through all of the posts in this thread but, for obvious reasons, I've decided not to XD

PS Excuse the typos if you find any ^^'

[Mincemaker]

How did I end up here....? ^^;

I suppose it went like this:

I was browsing the web minding my own business when I came accross a rumor that there might be a third season of the Rozen Maiden anime. Being the crazy fanatic I am, I decided to google "Rozen Maiden Third Season" and one of the links provided by said search engine was to one of the (numerous) pages of this very thread XD. So I foud out that there is, in fact, no third season as of yet, but there is an OVA XD so thank you all for that valuable information ^^


I am a SuiginTou fan, just so you know that XD

Why am I a SuiginTou fan? Well, if it wasn't for her, I would never have known of the wonder that is Rozen Maiden. Seriously. I was looking for pictures of anime angels and came accross a picture of her. Unfortunately, the names SuiginTou or Rozen Maiden were not mentioned anywhere on the site...so I went and searched through anime pics until I finally found her @.@ ........so then......I wondered if the anime could be found on youtube and (yay!) I found it! watched the first season in one day, and then waited a bit for the second season to be uploaded. My favorite was SuiginTou even before I knew her name! XD And now, that I have seen her character development, I like her even more!

yeah......I was going to read through all of the posts in this thread but, for obvious reasons, I've decided not to XD

PS Excuse the typos if you find any ^^'

Another Suigintou hime-sama fan! Well, I, like you, started watching Rozen Maiden because of Suigintou hime-sama. I stumbled upon her picture once, and when I browse through Megatokyo, which I regularly visit, I saw Suigintou hime-sama again in Piro's rants and commentary and from there found out Suigintou hime-sama is from Rozen Maiden.

[grey_moon]

That sounds more like Sui's method of attack. Shinku slaps or whips the victim with her hair.

Shinku likes to give them a caning or a knuckle sandwich... I love seeing Shinku fight :)

[Lost]

She makes you spank you?!
T.T Anything for Suiseiseki!!

That sounds more like Sui's method of attack. Shinku slaps or whips the victim with her hair.
Yep, tho Shinku isn't above the occasional satisfying Shin-Kick, but unlike Suiseiseki she does it with dignity intact.

[Shinku]

We've already seen Shinku's methods for dealing out pain to tall folk- hit them in the shins real hard first, then pummel them when they fall.

lol dont forget the hair whip and the slaps! Though i thought that Jun being hit a couple times by Suisei's case (*bed*) was more brutal.

[ChibiAurora]

lol dont forget the hair whip and the slaps! Though i thought that Jun being hit a couple times by Suisei's case (*bed*) was more brutal.

....especially when you consider how fast they fly in those things.....

Someone could get killed like that 0_o

[Potatochobit]

the cases have double padding on the inside, you don't have anything to worry about.

[SlurEXE]

the cases have double padding on the inside, you don't have anything to worry about.

Yes, but that's only on the inside. ;)

[Mincemaker]

I think the problem is not the doll getting hurt, but rather, the guy getting hit on the head getting hurt (in this case, Jun).

[Cloudy]

I dare you call Sui a loli to her face. She'll kick you in the crotch so hard your jewels will end up on Pluto!
Shinku is loli. Sui is a teen. Sou is a teen. Gin is an young adult. Hina and Kana are young kids. And Bara is hot.



Might as well consider Hina and Kanaria as loli since anime girls below 13 is considered as loli.

[Deathkillz]

kanaria loli? :twitch: i agree with hina being a loli but kana looks like an old women tbh :p

[blitz1/2]

kanaria loli? :twitch: i agree with hina being a loli but kana looks like an old women tbh :p

I agree with you. Kanaria just looks old.

[Shinku]

I agree with you. Kanaria just looks old.

shes looks old but also she has the mind and heart like a child.

[grey_moon]

I think the problem is not the doll getting hurt, but rather, the guy getting hit on the head getting hurt (in this case, Jun).

Or Nori's wannabe suitor....

shes looks old but also she has the mind and heart like a child.


For some reason I always find the ones who try to act mature end up acting like the real immature ones (Sou for example).

[Lost]

kana looks like an old women
Its that umbrella she carries around, I swear. :heh:

the cases have double padding on the inside, you don't have anything to worry about.
Whew... thats a relief. Wouldnt want our precious Suiseiseki sustaining any damage, considering the way she drives that thing. :love:

[grey_moon]

Whew... thats a relief. Wouldnt want our precious Suiseiseki sustaining any damage, considering the way she drives that thing. :love:

Sou too, as she was the one who brained Nori's wannbe bloke.

Sui should change her tactics, instead of using her vines she should stick with kitchen utensils and use her suitcase to smash into her enemies!

[Mincemaker]

Sou too, as she was the one who brained Nori's wannbe bloke.

Sui should change her tactics, instead of using her vines she should stick with kitchen utensils and use her suitcase to smash into her enemies!

The twins should never be given a driving license. Look at the amount of atrocities they can do with just a suitcase! Now imagine they transfer their mad suitcase-flying skills to driving a car.

[Suiseiseki]

Sou too, as she was the one who brained Nori's wannbe bloke.

Sui should change her tactics, instead of using her vines she should stick with kitchen utensils and use her suitcase to smash into her enemies!

Sui can kill her enemies simply by cooking for them.

[the.Merines]

Sui can kill her enemies simply by cooking for them.

I thought that was Shinku. The process of cooking is Sui's method of killing. :heh:

[Shadow Miko]

I thought that was Shinku. The process of cooking is Sui's method of killing. :heh:
Me Too. :heh:

[Choki]

I thought that was Shinku. The process of cooking is Sui's method of killing. :heh:

Dont ever give Sui a egg to cook....you either get poisoned or you get blown up :heh:

[Jekyll]

I thought that was Shinku. The process of cooking is Sui's method of killing. :heh:

Shinku's cookies are obviously edible. Kanaria survived eating a whole plate of them. Actually, I wonder how her scones will taste... If she ever gets a chance to make them, that is.

[QueenNori]

Small example of the German Rozen Maiden Dub:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhwfaX6J4ZM

[Shinku]

Small example of the German Rozen Maiden Dub:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhwfaX6J4ZM

lol i thought at first they were speaking funny english but then i found out it was German. xD lol. sorry i just woke up so i was was like ~_~ watching it. Anyways, nice job dubbing

[blitz1/2]

lol i thought at first they were speaking funny english but then i found out it was German. xD lol. sorry i just woke up so i was was like ~_~ watching it. Anyways, nice job dubbing


Hey Shinku, you want to work on a dub with us along with Ethereal Cry?:heh:

[Shinku]

Hey Shinku, you want to work on a dub with us along with Ethereal Cry?:heh:

hmmm... it seeems like a lot of work.... well if we do then ill dub Shinku xD

[grey_moon]

I thought that was Shinku. The process of cooking is Sui's method of killing. :heh:

As Sui (poster) pointed out it's Sui and Hina's skill too, remember the poor crow! Also Sui has the ability to explode microwaves by cooking an egg, but I believe that you don't need to be a RM to achieve this skill....

Just a thought, part from baking cookies I don't think we have seen any of the maidens cook something edible! Not that they need to as they have Nori slave to cook for them and they are vicious snackers!

[the.Merines]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H26PwyP-e3Y

A rather impressive Suigintou AMV.

[Suigintou ~]

Whoa!! This is a 10+ Rate AMV! I like Suigintou Superiority *ò*
After All about Traumed... Someone have cried seeing the Sousei Seki's death? I have cried a lot too... That's a sad period in the series ._.

[Lost]

I cried for Suiseiseki lol. No one cares about Souseiseki :p :p Welcome, Suigintou ~, to this wonderful subforum filled with RM lovers! Hope you feel right at home. :)

As Sui (poster) pointed out it's Sui and Hina's skill too, remember the poor crow!Speaking of that, looks like Kanaria has always been on the receiving end.. :heh:

vicious snackers!That honestly honestly calls to mind the stairwars episode! :D

[blitz1/2]

I cried for Suiseiseki lol. No one cares about Souseiseki :p :p Welcome, Suigintou ~, to this wonderful subforum filled with RM lovers! Hope you feel right at home. :)

Speaking of that, looks like Kanaria has always been on the receiving end.. :heh:
That honestly honestly calls to mind the stairwars episode! :D

Anyone cried for Kanaria's death? I laughed at her death though.

That's what she gets for kill-stealing! Bara and Hina's deaths were a bit emotional.

[Flo]

Anyone cried for Kanaria's death? I laughed at her death though.

That's what she gets for kill-stealing! Bara and Hina's deaths were a bit emotional.

Tsk tsk, shame on you for Kana bashing.:rolleyes:

But then again I was overly happy when that Stinku died.:rolleyes: And got upset when the bitch doll got revived, Stinku should stay dead.

[Deathkillz]

Anyone cried for Kanaria's death? I laughed at her death though.

That's what she gets for kill-stealing! Bara and Hina's deaths were a bit emotional.

agreed...gin sama's death touched me the most tho...she saved shinku but died herself :( actually quite honorable in the sense that gin wanted to be the one to beat shinku not bara...

[Lost]

Anyone cried for Kanaria's death? I laughed at her death though.
Nope, I was crying for Suiseiseki at that point, too. :p Jk jk. On that topic, Hina's death touched me the most. I have yet to find that post I made when I watched her die.

[Potatochobit]

i like kanaria more than souseiseki.

[Suigintou ~]

Welcome, Suigintou ~, to this wonderful subforum filled with RM lovers! Hope you feel right at home. :)

Thanks a lot :) It's a honor for me to meet other RM Fan's. But with you i'm felling a good atmosphere to talk with that anime and my love, GIN (it's a short name of Suigintou Right?) *___*

Well, for sousei seki, she's ben corrupted well from bara and Suigintou, asking to her that alice game it's important to herself and their owner Rozen. In fact, she fight for Rozen's desire... but in advance, to last 2 episode, we discover an another wiev of combat... Kanaria is so awesome with bara which she's broken the right arm... I like the last 2 episode of series because there are more fighting respect the previous series, aim to exploit the main reason to Rozen maiden's life.

I'm waiting a your good reply ;)

PS: i'm the only lover of Suigintou *_*
About hina's death, touch me most too... i have cried, a bit!

[Shinku]

Anyone cried for Kanaria's death? I laughed at her death though.

That's what she gets for kill-stealing! Bara and Hina's deaths were a bit emotional.

lol horray for KS! but theres always a price to pay for it. I also laughed at Kana's death

[Suigintou ~]

Oh, you dislikes so much Kana? remember that bastard crow who steal her lunch! :heh: it's so cute, but she can get "bastard inside" trademark so! :D

[Shinku]

Oh, you dislikes so much Kana? remember that bastard crow who steal her lunch! :heh: it's so cute, but she can get "bastard inside" trademark so! :D

lol dont call the crow that. it did the right thing. lol it was very funny and cute

[Suigintou ~]

maybe, huh? XD
anyway... have you see the hinaichigo+suiseiseki kitchen mistakes trying to make a good lunch for Jun? and that scenes about hina + suisei's battle with jun!! It was so funny... i've see that episode in italian subtitle! there are so good!

but my love is for ever aimed to GIN! *_*
is understable? i think so °_°

[Deathkillz]

its understandable cause im also head over heels for gin sama ^_^ no one out of the RM sisters can even come close to gin imo...shes already alice :D

[Suigintou ~]

you right, therefore, GIN-sama is my girlfriends (maybe... and i need a lucky hits to become its boyfriend). But by first impact, she's damn nice and the first time that i seen this char, i really loved for her!! seriously!

by after, suiseiseki trying to replace my love for gin sama, but has failed! shes also cute!!!

However, i'm already happy to see gin sama, its death in the last traumed episode, is a great knife straight to the heart! ç___ç but she has a torso finally! althought she's not incomplete! ^__^

I like this anime for life!

[Shinku]

you right, therefore, GIN-sama is my girlfriends (maybe... and i need a lucky hits to become its boyfriend). But by first impact, she's damn nice and the first time that i seen this char, i really loved for her!! seriously!

by after, suiseiseki trying to replace my love for gin sama, but has failed! shes also cute!!!

However, i'm already happy to see gin sama, its death in the last traumed episode, is a great knife straight to the heart! ç___ç but she has a torso finally! althought she's not incomplete! ^__^

I like this anime for life!

its funny and strange how she can still move and fight without her torso in the first season. I agree, this is an anime i will not forget!

[Suigintou ~]

its funny and strange how she can still move and fight without her torso in the first season. I agree, this is an anime i will not forget!

you think so well... So, before to get sleep (i'm awake since yesterday... wake up to 5:19 am... i'm getting crazy XD), i'm just ask a questione: someone knows the Suigintou's movement without torso? she haves a magnetic link maybe? o.o
Someone tell me how she can still moves without torso? o.o *repeat*

[blitz1/2]

you think so well... So, before to get sleep (i'm awake since yesterday... wake up to 5:19 am... i'm getting crazy XD), i'm just ask a questione: someone knows the Suigintou's movement without torso? she haves a magnetic link maybe? o.o
Someone tell me how she can still moves without torso? o.o *repeat*

Maybe she doesn't use her lower legs (I don't recall seeing her walking) only flying.

[SlurEXE]

She's a being made of pure anger.

Nah.

It was her will and determination that supported her without her torso. Which kinda ties in with being a being of pure anger.

Another theory is that her clothes held her up.

Either way, she's the most admirable.

[Mincemaker]

Raw willpower becomes the energy source for all of Suigintou hime-sama's action, especially her movement. In fact, she claimed that she does not need a medium, and she did demonstrate that only on rare circumstances would she actually need to draw energy from Megu-san.

Willpower, viciousness, violence and ruthlessness are what draws a person like me to Suigintou hime-sama (the very same thing that drew me to undead Forsaken in WoW).

My daggers are my hidden blades, and I am the hidden blade of Suigintou hime-sama, our beloved Dark Lady. With sheer willpower and absolute ruthlessness, we shall prevail against all odds.

[QueenNori]

Small example of the German Rozen Maiden Dub:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhwfaX6J4ZM
lol i thought at first they were speaking funny english but then i found out it was German. xD lol. sorry i just woke up so i was was like ~_~ watching it. Anyways, nice job dubbing

I like the German Dub, too^^

[Shinku]

Maybe she doesn't use her lower legs (I don't recall seeing her walking) only flying.

a doll flying without her torso - makes the lower body a very weak spot.

[devilgirl11]

a doll flying without her torso - makes the lower body a very weak spot.

that is like so true xD
where is ur mind ppl

[Suigintou ~]

thanks for reply!
i'm agree with the rest of people here. Suigintou is a good example of goddess!! *laught* But it's so attractive! Its purple eyes... sbav!

i think she's a beautiful thing like suigintou: a creatione comes out with a pencil and so many fantasy inside... A good gotic example anyway!!

Which phrases is the only who angry too much the our GIN Sama? ;)

[Deathkillz]

^ junk? :heh:

[grey_moon]

its funny and strange how she can still move and fight without her torso in the first season. I agree, this is an anime i will not forget!

She could if she wanted to pull off Shin's body seperation dodge, but that would ruin her dress.

Even though everyone has their favorite maidens, I'm sensing that the most touching death is Hina sama's *sniffle*

@Deathkillz - Love your avatar

[Zero Shinohara]

I leave this thread for five months, and look what happens! * Inserts 4chan's /b image *


Anyway, in regards to Gin's movement, she does use her legs in the first and second seasons, especially while fighting. Just because she doesn't have her torso, doesn't mean she can't move. It's odd because Shinku lost her arm, and the arm wouldn't move by itself, but Gin manages to use the rest of her body just fine.

It probably has to do with the fact that she's a supernatural being? * Remembers Jun ranting about them in the manga * Who knows.

And I was simply shattered when I realized that we wouldn't have a third season as soon as this fall. Let's just hope that Peach Pit doesn't end the Anime series like that; I'd find it a direct hit in my appreciation for their shows. It's a series with so much potential, and yet they chose not to continue it, at least for this year. Sad, definetly sad.

And I see some of the old guys are still hanging out in the topic, even if I only saw the last few pages. And as said, yes, Rozen Maiden is a series that's difficult to forget, definetly. And posting in the name of all Hikari no Rasenritsu fans ( I SEE YOU THERE PHYSICS ), it's still one of the best songs in the world.

Now let me get back to class, 'cause the teacher is already giving me the grins. Take care all.

[Suigintou ~]

^ junk? :heh:

*Deathkillz Won 40.000 Yen*

[Lost]

lol dont call the crow that. it did the right thing. lol it was very funny and cute
Lol, the crow saved Kanaria's life!

Well, for sousei seki, she's ben corrupted well from bara and Suigintou, asking to her that alice game it's important to herself and their owner Rozen. In fact, she fight for Rozen's desire... but in advance, to last 2 episode, we discover an another wiev of combat... Kanaria is so awesome with bara which she's broken the right arm... I like the last 2 episode of series because there are more fighting respect the previous series, aim to exploit the main reason to Rozen maiden's life.

I'm waiting a your good reply ;)
Thank you :) I like the last 2 episodes for some reasons:

Yes, the fighting was incredible, tho not my main like (But the whacks Shinku gave Bara were OH SO SATISFYING). Maybe what I liked the best was seeing the Doll's true personalities come out in times of crisis in the last 2 episodes. First and foremost, my Love and my Queen and my Goddess, Suiseiseki, showing that braveness and helping Kanaria; then even Kanaria too, suddenly showing courage for once. But most powerful imo was the raw rage displayed by Shinku and Bara. I loved it when Bara lost her cool and speared Jun in the hallway. That was just wow. Before that I didnt know she was capable of feelings. And well, while it didnt really affect it that time; Gin's death was pretty emo too, and I like emo.

What I didnt like however, was that Hina did not come back to life. And the fact that it ended on what amounted to a cliffhanger of sorts. I need Hina alive again.

PS: i'm the only lover of Suigintou *_*
Oh no, you arent. Lol.

'cause the teacher is already giving me the grins
GIVE HIM THE BARA SMILE. Then make him watch RM. Welcome back. :)

p.s. THIS THREAD LIVES YET!! We're on our way to 7K.

[blitz1/2]

Lol, the crow saved Kanaria's life!


Thank you :) I like the last 2 episodes for some reasons:

Yes, the fighting was incredible, tho not my main like (But the whacks Shinku gave Bara were OH SO SATISFYING). Maybe what I liked the best was seeing the Doll's true personalities come out in times of crisis in the last 2 episodes. First and foremost, my Love and my Queen and my Goddess, Suiseiseki, showing that braveness and helping Kanaria; then even Kanaria too, suddenly showing courage for once. But most powerful imo was the raw rage displayed by Shinku and Bara. I loved it when Bara lost her cool and speared Jun in the hallway. That was just wow. Before that I didnt know she was capable of feelings. And well, while it didnt really affect it that time; Gin's death was pretty emo too, and I like emo.

What I didnt like however, was that Hina did not come back to life. And the fact that it ended on what amounted to a cliffhanger of sorts. I need Hina alive again.


Oh no, you arent. Lol.


GIVE HIM THE BARA SMILE. Then make him watch RM. Welcome back. :)

p.s. THIS THREAD LIVES YET!! We're on our way to 7K.


Bara smile? You can try the Kira smile? (1 look/kiss can kill) <-(I think)

[Suiseiseki]

Bara smile? You can try the Kira smile? (1 look/kiss can kill) <-(I think)

I don't think he wants to kill his teacher and flunk his class.

[Shinku]

She could if she wanted to pull off Shin's body seperation dodge, but that would ruin her dress.

Even though everyone has their favorite maidens, I'm sensing that the most touching death is Hina sama's *sniffle*

@Deathkillz - Love your avatar

yeah very true. Bara also had a very emotional death. I only remember there was only one time that Shinku was ever emotional - was when Gin ripped her hand off (aka turn her into junk). And maybe also when she watches Detective Kunkun.

[Suigintou ~]

Bara it's the dead in 1st person. Nothing Else. More than Suigintou i think.

[blitz1/2]

Bara it's the dead in 1st person. Nothing Else. More than Suigintou i think.


dead in the first person? I don't get it.

[Suigintou ~]

Sorry, my english it isnt so good...^^"

i said: with that smile, bara it's the dead in person (it's correct so? sorry a lot for mistake! >_<)

[Mincemaker]

?

Wha?

You mean she's dead in personality?

[Suigintou ~]

ehrrr.... is that so...
Sorry, but i haven't that elasticity to speak english also by keyboard...^^""
Sorry a lot :( :heh:

[Choki]

Bara smile? You can try the Kira smile? (1 look/kiss can kill) <-(I think)

but that wouldnt stop you from getting a kiss from her will you?;)

[the.Merines]

Just make sure she already has a physical body before being intimate. At least that's what the tag on her neck says.

[Shinku]

but that wouldnt stop you from getting a kiss from her will you?;)

blitz will fall for anything Bara or Kira does

Just make sure she already has a physical body before being intimate. At least that's what the tag on her neck says.

lol how would u no that. Only Enju should know cause he created her. lol it will prolly say ~ fragile, do not insert all roza mysticas at once~ on the tag.

[the.Merines]

How would I know? Blitz1/2 told me. Haha, someone missed that particular label... Enju, you moron!

[Choki]

That goes to show that Enju doesnt know his stuff ;)

[grey_moon]

That goes to show that Enju doesnt know his stuff ;)

Enju should have at least tried to make as many if not more Enju maidens before sending them off to take on the Rozen maidens, just shows how arrogant he was about his only product. The man needs to play some more rts games :p

[Lost]

^ Lol, it goes to show how hard it was for him to just make one, and even one that didnt match up to Rozen's standards. Yep, Enju doesnt know his stuff..

[Shinku]

That goes to show that Enju doesnt know his stuff ;)

yeah hes pathetic, and he thinks he could surpass Rozen! Too bad he doesn’t have a second chance. I feel bad Bara – by following and believing in a phoney

[grey_moon]

yeah hes pathetic, and he thinks he could surpass Rozen! Too bad he doesn’t have a second chance. I feel bad Bara – by following and believing in a phoney

I wonder how much of it was their belief and how much was planted by the bastard bunny?

[Shinku]

I wonder how much of it was their belief and how much was planted by the bastard bunny?

omg i hate that bunny - he pissed me off. I hope he doesnt do anything bad to anyone... especially Kira.

[Suigintou ~]

that bunny will be executed with .308 winchester ammo shooted by a Walther WA-2000 (An old [not too much] Hi-caliber sniper rifle)... he's planned everything and she dies Shinku and Suigintou by Bara's hand... bastard! ç___ç

[Mincemaker]

Laplace is a master schemer. I respect his cunning. I wished I had wits like his. That would make my life so much easier, especially when I'm trying to kill a person and still remain unsuspected.

Anyway, take a crossbow, shoot the bastard and then make a stew out of him.

[Shinku]

that bunny will be executed with .308 winchester ammo shooted by a Walther WA-2000 (An old [not too much] Hi-caliber sniper rifle)... he's planned everything and she dies Shinku and Suigintou by Bara's hand... bastard! ç___ç

well, all of the dolls believed in the fake "father" which resulted in all of them to die. And the bunny amuses himself by just watching - that jerk....

Its funny how Rozen only comes to help them after they all died. Like Rozen knew that his creations were believing in the wrong guy, but y dint he do something earlier.

[Choki]

well, all of the dolls believed in the fake "father" which resulted in all of them to die. And the bunny amuses himself by just watching - that jerk....

Its funny how Rozen only comes to help them after they all died. Like Rozen knew that his creations were believing in the wrong guy, but y dint he do something earlier.

Been wondering...what happens if the Larplace is Rozen =/ What he(Larplace) did in the ending of Tramuend set me thinking that.

[Shinku]

Been wondering...what happens if the Larplace is Rozen =/ What he(Larplace) did in the ending of Tramuend set me thinking that.

O_O whoa, i never thought of that. It will be then very chaotic because Larplace is omicient in this case. Like hes sick minded, if he created the dolls just for them to kill each other for his pleasure! Your idea of Larplace being Rozen is not far off because the bunny always has at least one doll on his side. (The end of Traumend, Kira was with him)

[the.Merines]

Laplace is not Rozen. There was a discussion about it a while ago... Basically, I believe Laplace is Rozen's autonomous minion who has been left to his own devices for a couple hundred years. He may or may not have his own agenda but seems to carry Rozen's general will.

[SSJiffy]

RM Marionette (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/SSJiffy/vlcsnap-994444.png)
I'm trying to come up with a design to create the wooden set for a marionette play. Anyone here know what materials to use (decent colors as well) so they come out well? Any advice is appreciated. ^ ^

[Lost]

Yep, if Laplace was Rozen, why would Rozen undo (rebuild the dolls) what Laplace did (kill the dolls). So I dont think Laplace is Rozen too.

And I'm sure Laplace has to have a deeper agenda then just to amuse himself by seeing the dolls fight. Perhaps he too desires to see fruition to the concept of Alice. As Shirosaki, he did show quite an attachment to dolls; to the point of freaking Jun out.

[grey_moon]

If Laplace was Rozen, then I would have peg him as the uncontrollable dark subconscious of Rozen, the Yang that needs to balance the Ying. The destruction that tries to destroy the beauty that Rozen has created. But to be honest I have to agree with everyone else and say that I don't believe that they are the same person.


@Lost - you have just given me an idea....

What if Laplace is the bunny from Alice in Wonderland, what if Alice didn't just conk her head and has a funny period (I'm sure that was one of the renditions), but instead she fell into a n-field which is the domain of the bastard bunny. Now BB (Bastard Bunny aka Laplace), is able to jump around n-fields and peoples dreams and he wants a way to move in our reality too. Now along comes Rozen who's art at making dolls is so great that it bridges reality and the n-fields, hence the Rozen maidens being able to move. BB wants to understand how the Rozen Maidens are able to move so that he can do the same too.... Errrr this falls apart here as he took on human form in the shop and was interacting with Jun etc, unless the shop is a gateway to a n-field....

Bleh I'm rambling....

[Lost]

^ My goodness, you may have a point.. RM may have been meant to be an analogy to Alice in Wonderland. Like you pointed out.. Alice, N-fields, Falling thru the looking GLASS (mirror), Bunnies, Inanimate objects given life (Playing cards vs. Dolls), the dark and gothic theme (oh wait, that was American McGee's Alice :heh:). Now... just what could it mean? Hmmm.. :rolleyes:

Hmm, the figure itself is nice but the face doesn't resemble Shinku. :sad:
* still wishes to come back home one day to see a familiar box at the front door. *Lol, lwl12's post in the Merchandise thread made me think:

What if one day you do find such a box, but when you open it, out comes (already Winded) a doll whom you do not want, or worse, one you really hated and found annoying.. what creative ways could you think of to get her off your back/lose her/intimidate her/destroy her?

[Choki]

Lol, lwl12's post in the Merchandise thread made me think:

What if one day you do find such a box, but when you open it, out comes (already Winded) a doll whom you do not want, or worse, one you really hated and found annoying.. what creative ways could you think of to get her off your back/lose her/intimidate her/destroy her?

I dont really hate any of them.....but doesnt locking them up in their box the best way?:heh:

[Lost]

Lets assume they wouldnt just obediently go back in there when asked. :D Grrr... I can't think of any creative "solutions" for my personal dislike, Kanaria, right now. :heh: Lets see... :rolleyes:

[Mincemaker]

Lol, lwl12's post in the Merchandise thread made me think:

What if one day you do find such a box, but when you open it, out comes (already Winded) a doll whom you do not want, or worse, one you really hated and found annoying.. what creative ways could you think of to get her off your back/lose her/intimidate her/destroy her?

Lock the box with titanium chains, and also weld the lid shut. Problem solved. Don't forget these dolls had to go to their box for bed time at 9pm.

[Deathkillz]

Lets assume they wouldnt just obediently go back in there when asked. :D Grrr... I can't think of any creative "solutions" for my personal dislike, Kanaria, right now. :heh: Lets see... :rolleyes:

well if its for someone with a personality like hina...just lure the doll in with something soft, white and unyu! and slam on a padlock :heh:

[Skane]

Ways to trap them back into their boxes...

Suiseiseki: The truth crocodile.
Souseiseki: A picture of Father.
Shinku: Kunkun plushie.
Hina Ichigo: Strawberry dessert.

Suigintou: Erm... Yakult?

Kanaria: None needed. Just punt her in.

Kira~: Does she even have a box?

Cheers.

[Cinnabon-chan]

Hmmm.......I way to trap Kira.........

A bottle of..........
"Roses be gone! Banishes pesky thorny flowers from your eye socket, in 30 days, or your money back!"

Unless of course she likes having it grow out and freaking people out. Then we could bait her with some BabyBio.

[Suiseiseki]

If Laplace was Rozen, then I would have peg him as the uncontrollable dark subconscious of Rozen, the Yang that needs to balance the Ying. The destruction that tries to destroy the beauty that Rozen has created. But to be honest I have to agree with everyone else and say that I don't believe that they are the same person.


@Lost - you have just given me an idea....

What if Laplace is the bunny from Alice in Wonderland, what if Alice didn't just conk her head and has a funny period (I'm sure that was one of the renditions), but instead she fell into a n-field which is the domain of the bastard bunny. Now BB (Bastard Bunny aka Laplace), is able to jump around n-fields and peoples dreams and he wants a way to move in our reality too. Now along comes Rozen who's art at making dolls is so great that it bridges reality and the n-fields, hence the Rozen maidens being able to move. BB wants to understand how the Rozen Maidens are able to move so that he can do the same too.... Errrr this falls apart here as he took on human form in the shop and was interacting with Jun etc, unless the shop is a gateway to a n-field....

Bleh I'm rambling....

You've given me an idea...

What if The whole Rozen Maiden universe was simply a fantasy dreamed up by Jun?

Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see-
Im just a poor boy,i need no sympathy-
Because Im easy come,easy go,
A little high,little low,
Anyway the wind blows,doesnt really matter to me,
To me

Hmmm.......I way to trap Kira.........

A bottle of..........
"Roses be gone! Banishes pesky thorny flowers from your eye socket, in 30 days, or your money back!"

Unless of course she likes having it grow out and freaking people out. Then we could bait her with some BabyBio.

Bananas. Give her bananas. She's crazy for bananas and bananas are crazy for Kira. Kira and bananas are one and the same.

To be banana or not to be banana. That is the question.
Kira the Poet

Kira has a mind without reason.
Kira's Red Book

Bananas have there beauty but not everyone sees it.
Confucius Kira

When anger rises, think of bananas.
Confucius Kira

mc²=bananas
Kira the Genius

One of the keys to happiness is a banana.
Kira the Chef

Life's greatest happiness is to find a ripe banana.
Kira the Chef.

Nothing takes the taste out of a banana quite like a rotten banana.
Kira the Farmer

We can only learn to love by loving bananas.
Kira the Lonesome Girl

If you didn't know bananas are another way of saying crazy.

[Deathkillz]

You've given me an idea...

What if The whole Rozen Maiden universe was simply a fantasy dreamed up by Jun?

Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see-
Im just a poor boy,i need no sympathy-
Because Im easy come,easy go,
A little high,little low,
Anyway the wind blows,doesnt really matter to me,
To me


you know...if you add the word "darkness" into that poem it would qualify as being emo :p

[Mincemaker]

People, for at least 5 of these dolls, there is no need for a bait. They sleep at 9pm sharp! Remember bedtime!

That's the opportunity to weld the lids shut.

[Mamori86]

You've given me an idea...

What if The whole Rozen Maiden universe was simply a fantasy dreamed up by Jun?

Is this the real life-
Is this just fantasy-
Caught in a landslide-
No escape from reality-
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see-
Im just a poor boy,i need no sympathy-
Because Im easy come,easy go,
A little high,little low,
Anyway the wind blows,doesnt really matter to me,
To me




woot for queen ^_^

Mama,just killed a man,
Put a gun against his head,
Pulled my trigger,now hes dead,
Mama,life had just begun,
But now Ive gone and thrown it all away-
Mama ooo,
Didnt mean to make you cry-
If Im not back again this time tomorrow-
Carry on,carry on,as if nothing really matters-

Too late,my time has come,
Sends shivers down my spine-
Bodys aching all the time,
Goodbye everybody-Ive got to go-
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth-
Mama ooo- (any way the wind blows)
I dont want to die,
I sometimes wish Id never been born at all-

I see a little silhouetto of a man,
Scaramouche,scaramouche will you do the fandango-
Thunderbolt and lightning-very very frightening me-
Galileo,galileo,
Galileo galileo
Galileo figaro-magnifico-
But Im just a poor boy and nobody loves me-
Hes just a poor boy from a poor family-
Spare him his life from this monstrosity-
Easy come easy go-,will you let me go-
Bismillah! no-,we will not let you go-let him go-
Bismillah! we will not let you go-let him go
Bismillah! we will not let you go-let me go
Will not let you go-let me go
Will not let you go let me go
No,no,no,no,no,no,no-
Mama mia,mama mia,mama mia let me go-
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me,for me,for me-

So you think you can stone me and spit in my eye-
So you think you can love me and leave me to die-
Oh baby-cant do this to me baby-
Just gotta get out-just gotta get right outta here-

Nothing really matters,
Anyone can see,
Nothing really matters-,nothing really matters to me,

Any way the wind blows....

[the.Merines]

So... Suiseiseki won the Anime Saimoe tourney after all.

[Cinnabon-chan]

Does anyone know the name of the music when......

When Jun becomes Sueseiseki's medium?

[Choki]

Does anyone know the name of the music when......

When Jun becomes Sueseiseki's medium?
From the rozen maiden OST its Battle of the Rose i think.

[grey_moon]

well if its for someone with a personality like hina...just lure the doll in with something soft, white and unyu! and slam on a padlock :heh:

That would be too cruel, poor Hina! Are you Sui posting behind an alias per chance?

Anyway even if you do lock them in their case, can't they just fly around knocking the 7 shades of poo out of you and your room?

[Ziv]

My off-the-wall theory: Rozen suffers from the same escapism problem as everyone else...except he can make magical dolls and perfect little girls. I'm willing to bet that he lost a daughter, and that "Alice" is his way to bring her back to life. So just like Jun, he's living in (or at least trying to acheive) his own escape from reality at the expense of his loved ones. I'm willing to bet that the happy loving depictions of him are either a misreading of his anticipation of Alice, or happened before he decided to make Alice.

As for Laplace's Demon, the name "Laplace's Demon" comes from an idea some smart dude named Laplace came up with. His idea was that if you had an entity with the capacity to know the position and direction of every atom in the universe, it would be able to predict the past and future with complete accuracy by using Newton's Laws. So I'm willing to bet that Laplace's Demon is toying with all the characters so they all do exactly what he wants. The only thing I can think of is that he's some sort of third party who wants the Rosa Mysticae/Alice for himself. Judging by what Souseiseki saw of Rozen, I don't think he's in much of a state to be doing the things that Laplace's Demon is doing. (unless that was an illusion set by laplace):twitch:

[Deathkillz]

That would be too cruel, poor Hina! Are you Sui posting behind an alias per chance?

Anyway even if you do lock them in their case, can't they just fly around knocking the 7 shades of poo out of you and your room?

i could be :p and i know desu~ would definatly take up this opportunity to smash every window in then house :heh:

about rozen...i think hes a wacko from the start...for abandoning the RM dolls he should be shot!

[Cinnabon-chan]

From the rozen maiden OST its Battle of the Rose i think.

I can't find a battle of the rose.......maybe the site i'm on dosn't ahve the complete soundtrack, but thankyou anyway :)

And I do agree with the idea that Alice is supposed to be recreate of Rozen's daughter..............or maybe he is taking it one step further?

I have a theory that the winning doll of the Alice Game will simply become a vessel for Alice's soul, and lose her own.

And Laplace........well I don't think we'll be finding anything about him soon.......but it makes me wonder why he is dancing with Kira in the ending........I wonder if they are allies, and the events of Truammend were done by Laplace for her benefit, or if he has grander plans, and Kira is going to be a pawn, the way Bara and Enju were.

[the.Merines]

Battle of Rose is track 2 on the season 1 OST.

[Cinnabon-chan]

really? Thankyou very very much! I must have been blind.......it was right there. >_< but at least I have it and my other favorite RM track, bara otome .

[Shinku]

Laplace is not Rozen. There was a discussion about it a while ago... Basically, I believe Laplace is Rozen's autonomous minion who has been left to his own devices for a couple hundred years. He may or may not have his own agenda but seems to carry Rozen's general will.
yeah that makes sense. sorry i srifted off thinking of something else
you know...if you add the word "darkness" into that poem it would qualify as being emo :p

yeah lol. If Suiseiseki was emo .... O_O. What has she become into?

[Mincemaker]

yeah lol. If Suiseiseki was emo .... O_O. What has she become into?

The Laplace is Rozen theory has been discussed before. So is the Alice is Rozen's daughter.

Generally, I don't exactly believe that Rozen had a daughter before he made the dolls. There hasn't been a shred of evidence that he had a daughter. If he created the Rozen Maiden to replace his daughter, wouldn't it make much better sense to make very single one of them to look like his deceased daughter?

I would, if I were in his shoes. But apparently, all the dolls were different from each other as light and day. The appearance, personality, everything varies.

So the goal of Rozen was not to 'bring' his daughter 'back', if he even has a daughter, but his goal was to try and produce a perfect girl, like an artist that he is (obsessed with perfection. A known fact).

Though from season 2, he does show his paternal side, so he might not be a bastard who wants his 'daughters' to kill each other off.

And talking about emo Suiseiseki, I think she has more reasons to be emo. I mean, her very close twin sister was 'dead'.

[Choki]

And talking about emo Suiseiseki, I think she has more reasons to be emo. I mean, her very close twin sister was 'dead'.
Was and still is till further notice ^^

Generally, I don't exactly believe that Rozen had a daughter before he made the dolls. There hasn't been a shred of evidence that he had a daughter. If he created the Rozen Maiden to replace his daughter, wouldn't it make much better sense to make very single one of them to look like his deceased daughter?
This point really make sense.But we do not know what happens to the doll after they become Alice
Though from season 2, he does show his paternal side, so he might not be a bastard who wants his 'daughters' to kill each other off.

Personally,i do not think that Rozen wants them to fight each other.He did say to Shinku that there are other ways to become Alice without the Alice game.So maybe the Alice game is something that Laplace came up? If Laplace is really the counterpart to Rozen, wouldnt he want to do something that would destroy the dolls?

[Cinnabon-chan]

Hmmm...........come to think of it, I am reminded of playing a game called Shadow Hearts Covenant. During one side quest, you go to an abondoned mansion known as the Dollhouse, as a famous doll maker lived there (you have to fight giant cockroaches that swarm all over the screen, ick ick ick.) Anyway, when you read the dollmaker's diary, you discover that he had the ability to make living dolls, that could walk and talk and think. You also discover that he was going to make another doll, his masterpiece to be the vessel of his desceased daughter's soul.

For some reason, that reminds me of Rozen Maiden, and I really have thought Alice will be the vessel for the soul of Rozen's daughter. I don't really know, now that I think about the Dollhouse quest, it sounded pretty similar to Rozen Maiden.

7 dolls, all failed attempts to create Alice.

A number of dolls (I think it might be 6 or 7, you do talk to them) all failed attempts to replace a dead daughter.

[JHawkNH]

Battle of Rose is track 2 on the season 1 OST.

There is also a version that has more of a electric guitar to it. It is somewhere around track 25.

This is actually my favorite version.

[GoTz]

man i wish i watched this anime while this thread was still populated...the first series and this are amazing

[physics223]

Has this thread finally lapsed into oblivion?

This is the problem of getting a forum of our own ... it has less discussion compared to the previous thread-only Rozen Maiden ... :)

[Cinnabon-chan]

Yeeeeeeeeeep! I wish I had come earlier, ths thread is dying. *sniffle snob.* We need a new Topic...........

THE CROW THAT STEALS KANARIA'S EGG ROLLS IS JUN'S FATHER AND HAD AN ILLEGITAMITE RELATIONSHIP WITH NORI AND SHINKU!!!!!

*runs off*

[Mincemaker]

Yeeeeeeeeeep! I wish I had come earlier, ths thread is dying. *sniffle snob.* We need a new Topic...........

THE CROW THAT STEALS KANARIA'S EGG ROLLS IS JUN'S FATHER AND HAD AN ILLEGITAMITE RELATIONSHIP WITH NORI AND SHINKU!!!!!

*runs off*

No! The crow has a grudge against Kanaria, or Kanaria once made a very bad mistake of feeding the crow once, thus trigger the constant crow attacks.

That or this proves that the crow knows Kanaria always had good food with her, and she also happens to be easy pickings for the crow.

[GoTz]

that crow cracked me up
i disliked kanaria a lot at first, not only bcuz she was the weirdest looking doll, but she just irritated me lol

[Suiseiseki]

Yeeeeeeeeeep! I wish I had come earlier, ths thread is dying. *sniffle snob.* We need a new Topic...........

THE CROW THAT STEALS KANARIA'S EGG ROLLS IS JUN'S FATHER AND HAD AN ILLEGITAMITE RELATIONSHIP WITH NORI AND SHINKU!!!!!

*runs off*

But both of Jun's parent were away. I'd say it was Kirakishou in disguise.

Shinku and Nori getting it on with the father? Inconceivable! Nori got it on with Kun Kun while he was disguised as the mysterious Cat-Burglar, while they both multi tasked by surfing and doing the dance of Aphrodite off the south coast of Africa. Now that's more believable in my opinion.

[Lost]

This is the problem of getting a forum of our own ... it has less discussion compared to the previous thread-only Rozen Maiden ... :)
Heh, its interesting how most of our posts shifted to the Image thread! :uhoh: May the fanart never die!

AH... I hope you know that Jun's father IS Nori's father. :heh:

That crow was just to provide comedy; make a desperate Kanaria even more so, lol. No matter, that crow saved her life. Hee. Suiseiseki can't cook.. thats the sad truth. :rolleyes:

[Cinnabon-chan]

Go me. I sparked up some discussion on this board.

And now, for another shocking revelation that will make you spit up your Rosa Mysticas. Bewary, children.

"HINA ICHIGO IS THE LESBIAN LOVER OF SUISESEKI AND BOTH LOVE TO COSPLAY AS SAILOR MOON, AND CREATE A HENTAI VERSION. SOUGINTOU WORKS THE TENTACLES AND HOLDS THE CAMERA. "

And yes, I knew that Jun and Nori are brother and sister. Incest makes everything more dramatic./

[Ziv]

And yes, I knew that Jun and Nori are brother and sister. Incest makes everything more dramatic./

it was nori's idea in the first place.

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/7008/tat3.jpg

[GoTz]

:heh: i totally forgot about that part...i wanted suiseiseki and souseiseki to hop in her dream to see wat the hell was up

[Ziv]

:heh: i totally forgot about that part...i wanted suiseiseki and souseiseki to hop in her dream to see wat the hell was up

Then do you remember in the first episode where Nori asks Jun if Shinku is a "foreign Dutch Wife (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_wife)"? Or how about the time he comes home with a book on the dolls and she says "You don't have to tell us what's in your bag if you don't want to. It's perfectly normal for boys your age to be interested in that sort of thing."

[Mincemaker]

:heh: i totally forgot about that part...i wanted suiseiseki and souseiseki to hop in her dream to see wat the hell was up

They will be scarred for life if that happens.

[Deathkillz]

Has this thread finally lapsed into oblivion?

This is the problem of getting a forum of our own ... it has less discussion compared to the previous thread-only Rozen Maiden ... :)
that is so true >.< give us back our single thread! maybe what made this thread non dying in the first place was beacuse ppl keep bumping it up back to the top again...doesnt seem to work here >.<

it was nori's idea in the first place.

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/7008/tat3.jpg
nori...is desperate...

[GoTz]

They will be scarred for life if that happens.

Then do you remember in the first episode where Nori asks Jun if Shinku is a "foreign Dutch Wife (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_wife)"? Or how about the time he comes home with a book on the dolls and she says "You don't have to tell us what's in your bag if you don't want to. It's perfectly normal for boys your age to be interested in that sort of thing."


haha, maybe that's why i didn't get that part...i didn't know what a dutch wife was :eyespin:

[Cinnabon-chan]

I really really want Nori and that guy who likes her to get together.......I think he's really sweet.

And Nori is desperate...........or very disturbed. Very very disturbed. She wouldn't be the first screwed up meganekko with a creepy fetish.

And on another note, I've found a tin of Orange Pekoe Tea in our cuboard. I like it, but I think Shinku will turn up her nose at how I make it. (pour tea in cup, pour on hot water, add milk.)

[Lost]

Nawh.. she will just say that you made it with love; then refuse to drink anymore :heh: I cant figure out what that guy sees in Nori. She's weird, she's an obvious scatterbrain, she avoids him like the plague, and he leaves with a literal, physical, headache everytime he tries to propose (unless he gets drenched instead; then, he gets a cold).

In other thoughts, I can't believe Rozen Maiden hasn't got licensed yet. :upset:

[Cinnabon-chan]

Hmmm......Shinku sounds nicer then my mom in regards to tea. My mom just demands a fresh cup :heh:

Nooo! Nori is so cutely ditzy and kind. And it's never a dull moment with her.

And I rememeber seeign a dub of Rozen Maiden..........Souseiseki sounded terrible (like a squeaky girl trying to sound like a boy and failing), Hina sounded a bit like Sandy Fox..........and Suiseiseki had this evil squeaky voice.

[Lost]

That must have been a fandub.. thats why it sounded like that (I'm sure they tried their best tho :heh:).

[GoTz]

fandubs are hillarious...i just love them for their effort :heh:

[the.Merines]

I'd say that if Rozen Maiden isn't licensed in 2007... It isn't going to be licensed. I mean, it's been around since late 2004, and the fanbase has been growing all the time but I haven't heard any talk at all about it in the industry. I don't even know how well the manga is doing.

Perhaps since the characters (if not the series) are still popular in Japan, the license is too expensive for US distributers to consider profitable.

[Shinku]

Has this thread finally lapsed into oblivion?

This is the problem of getting a forum of our own ... it has less discussion compared to the previous thread-only Rozen Maiden ... :)
nooo! The traumend era will not die yet, like look how big it got! xD

[devilgirl11]

the german dub of Rozen maiden sounds funny :heh:

[the.Merines]

I'm sure the English dub (if and when) will sound funny, too, simply because I'm so used to hearing the characters Japanese voices.

[Lost]

Indeed.. I just can't hear an American voice saying "Desu." Of course, they probably wont leave it untranslated, but yeah, you get the point. :heh:

[Cinnabon-chan]

Hmmm...............maybe, maybe not. There are times when "chi" and "su" find their way into my normal conversation.

[Nidas]

Indeed.. I just can't hear an American voice saying "Desu." Of course, they probably wont leave it untranslated, but yeah, you get the point. :heh:

The official manga translates "desu" as "yes?" iirc, so presumably they would do the same for a dub, if it ever happens

[Suiseiseki]

The official manga translates "desu" as "yes?" iirc, so presumably they would do the same for a dub, if it ever happens
No, they are planning to translate "desu" to "shazaam!" "Unyuu" will become "sizzle".

[the.Merines]

^I would not be surprised...

Seriously, though, whoever is in charge of "Anglo-cizing" the manga (meaning making the translator's sentences make better sense, I forget the real job title) must not have taken too much thought on our beloved "desu." For me, Suiseiseki's little speaking habit comes across as cute and childlike, whereas "yes?" makes her sound snobby and stuck-up. Grr... And how can strawberry daifuku be stretchy?!

[Choki]

^ by adding rubber as 1 of the ingredient.
Can dolls die of food poisioning?:confused:

[Cinnabon-chan]

Hmm.........is it me, or have they taken out the Doll's titles? I thought Hina Ichigo's title was Kleine Beere, and not Lil' Strawberry.

[Ziv]

Hmm.........is it me, or have they taken out the Doll's titles? I thought Hina Ichigo's title was Kleine Beere, and not Lil' Strawberry.

"Klein Beere" is German for "Little Berry" which is close to "Hina Ichigo" (hina can mean either chick or doll, and ichigo means strawberry). Klein Berry isn't a title, it's her name in German since all the dolls are German to begin with.

[Cinnabon-chan]

"Klein Beere" is German for "Little Berry" which is close to "Hina Ichigo" (hina can mean either chick or doll, and ichigo means strawberry). Klein Berry isn't a title, it's her name in German since all the dolls are German to begin with.

Yeah, but I think it sounds more authentic. While they both mean the same thing, I think Kleine Beere sounds better then Lil' Strawberry which just sounds Americanized and out of history (they're antique dolls after all.)

[Ziv]

Yeah, but I think it sounds more authentic. While they both mean the same thing, I think Kleine Beere sounds better then Lil' Strawberry which just sounds Americanized and out of history (they're antique dolls after all.)

Wait a second are you saying someone translated Klein Berre into english and used it as though it were her official name?

[Suiseiseki]

"Klein Beere" is German for "Little Berry" which is close to "Hina Ichigo" (hina can mean either chick or doll, and ichigo means strawberry). Klein Berry isn't a title, it's her name in German since all the dolls are German to begin with.

That may be, but in the U.S. Hina's name will be translated as Budweiser:heh: .

[Dark Steno]

That may be, but in the U.S. Hina's name will be translated as Budweiser:heh: .

"Shazzam!" and "sizzle!" as well as "budweiser"?

[Cinnabon-chan]

Wait a second are you saying someone translated Klein Berre into english and used it as though it were her official name?

No........Lil' Strawberry is just what the other dolls call her from time to time in the manga. And I just thought Kleine Beere sounds better and more authentic then Lil' strawberry.

[the.Merines]

'lil strawberry = chibi ichigo
kleine berre = hina ichigo

There is a difference. Chibi ichigo is a semi-demeaning and cute name for Hina. I think only Suiseiseki calls her as such.

[Mincemaker]

Kleine Beere actually meant Petite Strawberry, so yeah, Lil' Strawberry, the unamericanized version.

[Lost]

Shinku calls her as such too. Oooh.. I didnt know it could have semi-degratory connotations.

[the.Merines]

Well, Suiseiseki calls Jun "chibi ningen" or runt, which is derogatory. I also seem to recall her saying something like "chibi, chibi, chibi... you're all a bunch of chibis!" when she was frustrated, indicating that she applies that term to things she doesn't like.

[Cinnabon-chan]

Well, Suiseiseki calls Jun "chibi ningen" or runt, which is derogatory. I also seem to recall her saying something like "chibi, chibi, chibi... you're all a bunch of chibis!" when she was frustrated, indicating that she applies that term to things she doesn't like.

Which is just about everything. ;)

[Mincemaker]

Everything is chibi to Suiseiseki. I bet she even calls the California governer chibi.

[Lost]

Ah, he is chibi. Kindergarten cop chibi lol!

Sorry, ignore that. But thats what makes Suiseiseki adorable in my eyes. Degrading everyone in that insecure manner of hers is her trademark I love and cherish.

[Mincemaker]

In the eyes of Suiseiseki, everything, no matter how big, even Pyramid of Giza big, is chibi. No point impressing Suiseiseki by being big, because you are still chibi to her.

[Lost]

Indeed, because she has to be bigger than everything. Thats basically her view of life and herself. She is bigger than everything/one. Of course, if you are lucky enough, you may earn the position of being in a relationship-state where she loves you so much that whether of not she is bigger is of no concern, notable examples being Father, or Souseiseki. Jun is on that path, but he still isn't exempt from her chibi-fying outlook (and I think, never will be).

[devilgirl11]

sui has such a big ego

[Deathkillz]

well just think of sui as a high and mighty princess that has been reduced to a commoner...i can imagine her trying to order ppl around her which has the same/higher status that her still and later getting her ass handed back to her for pissing the wrong guys off :heh:

shes just a prime example of a tsundere as well...

[Ziv]

shes just a prime example of a tsundere as well...

so is Shinku...and Suigintou...

[Kikaifan]

I know Gin is technically a tsundere because of how she treats Megu, but it just doesn't seem right.

[Ziv]

I know Gin is technically a tsundere because of how she treats Megu, but it just doesn't seem right.

I wasn't thinking of that. I was thinking about how she reacts to being called junk and how she acts when she gets "killed" by Shinku. I think the reason it doesn't make sense is because she goes way beyond what the average tsundere character would do to look strong, and she doesn't show her sensitive side to anyone, even herself. (until she meets Megu that is)

[Choki]

Maybe we will see more of it in a season 3?Gin showing her senstive side ;)

[Deathkillz]

I wasn't thinking of that. I was thinking about how she reacts to being called junk and how she acts when she gets "killed" by Shinku. I think the reason it doesn't make sense is because she goes way beyond what the average tsundere character would do to look strong, and she doesn't show her sensitive side to anyone, even herself. (until she meets Megu that is)
oh aye...in SS1 she was just pure evil with no glimmer of hope of being good...so that puts her into the catagory of "evil" but then after she met megu she begins to open up and show more feeling (no a lot but slowly and little by little)...but still it doesnt put her into the tsundere catagory as she is still nasty to megu in a sort of way and it not like she acts "tough" when people are around...her personality is normally tough anyway...

[Xantalus]

was ich vermisse ist das vortschreiten der beziehung zwichen Shinku und Jun aber mal sehen wenns ne 3. Staffel gibt vielleicht....

lets se if u can translate that ^^ and to the germans dont help them solving it :P

[physics223]

Um ... I know! It's gibberish to me! :p

[Suiseiseki]

was ich vermisse ist das vortschreiten der beziehung zwichen Shinku und Jun aber mal sehen wenns ne 3. Staffel gibt vielleicht....

lets se if u can translate that ^^ and to the germans dont help them solving it :P

Translation:
I, Xantalus, swear on pain of torture do hereby claim my undying loyalty to Shinku and Jun. Excuse me now for I must stab myself to death with a staff as ordered by Shinku.

[the.Merines]

Hehe, is that what Babelfish said? j/k

[Xantalus]

Translation:
I, Xantalus, swear on pain of torture do hereby claim my undying loyalty to Shinku and Jun. Excuse me now for I must stab myself to death with a staff as ordered by Shinku.
well somewhat close to that xD

[QueenNori]

was ich vermisse ist das vortschreiten


It's not vortschreiten, it's Fortschreiten^^

[Cinnabon-chan]

Well nearly all the dolls of RM have massive egoes.

Shinku's ego could be considered a small nation

Kanaria is the most intelligent Rozen Maiden and shall become Alice, in La La Land. But that;'s what I find so adorable about her.

Suiseiseki and her constant meglomania and calling everything and everyone a Chibi.

Sugintou........is Sugintou.

[meimei]

Poor Hina...She doesn't deserve to die! She just wanted to save Tomoe!

[Hijuelagranputa]

wow I finally saw souseiseki and hina dead...I was expecting it to be sadder

[Choki]

Not dead! They're not dead....Just sleeping! repeat after me....they're just taking a break from the alice game!

[Mincemaker]

Not dead! They're not dead....Just sleeping! repeat after me....they're just taking a break from the alice game!

....But the truth is, they are 'dead'. For now at least.

[Suiseiseki]

Not dead! They're not dead....Just sleeping! repeat after me....they're just taking a break from the alice game!

Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. Those dolls are definitely deceased, and when I checked them not 'alf an hour ago, you assured me that their total lack of movement was due to them bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged tea party. And don't give me they're pining for the fjords shtick. They're not pinin'! They're passed on! Those dolls are no more! They have ceased to be! They are stiffs! Bereft of life, they rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed them to their beds they'd be pushing up the daisies! They're metabolic processes are now 'istory! They're off the twig! They've kicked the bucket, They shuffled off their mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THESE ARE EX-DOLLS!!

[Mincemaker]

Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. Those dolls are definitely deceased, and when I checked them not 'alf an hour ago, you assured me that their total lack of movement was due to them bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged tea party. And don't give me they're pining for the fjords shtick. They're not pinin'! They're passed on! Those dolls are no more! They have ceased to be! They are stiffs! Bereft of life, they rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed them to their beds they'd be pushing up the daisies! They're metabolic processes are now 'istory! They're off the twig! They've kicked the bucket, They shuffled off their mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THESE ARE EX-DOLLS!!

You can simplify it all and say they are very much dead.

That is unless Kirakishou is nice enough to return their Roza Mystica.

That won't happen for a million years, of course.

[Hijuelagranputa]

You can simplify it all and say they are very much dead.

That is unless Kirakishou is nice enough to return their Roza Mystica.

That won't happen for a million years, of course.

that means that they are comepletely and absolutley DEAD!

[Choki]

that means that they are comepletely and absolutley DEAD!
We can always get Blitz1/2 to nego wif Kirakishou

[grey_moon]

Not dead! They're not dead....Just sleeping! repeat after me....they're just taking a break from the alice game!

I've decided to subscribe to your reality!

*waves his they LIVE flag*

[MaCgRaDy]

btw guys i was wondering whether the rozen maiden ouverture is out anot since i saw alot of sites currently uploaded the op song though. . .i really wanted to know the ouverture is out anot. . .

[blitz1/2]

We can always get Blitz1/2 to nego wif Kirakishou

Sorry, but I don't think Kira will listen to me.

Besides, I support her (even if she's purely sadistic). I don't negotiate, brute force rules! Anyways,

*discusses with Kira on which doll to kiss next and discussing with Bara which doll she should target to get a easy kill (glow technique) *

[Suiseiseki]

btw guys i was wondering whether the rozen maiden ouverture is out anot since i saw alot of sites currently uploaded the op song though. . .i really wanted to know the ouverture is out anot. . .

It airs later this month.

I've decided to subscribe to your reality!

*waves his they LIVE flag*

Look, we'll eat the dolls with french fries, and a bit of stuffing. Then, if you feel a bit guilty about it afterwards, we can dig a grave and you can throw up into it.

[Hijuelagranputa]

It airs later this month.



Look, we'll eat the dolls with french fries, and a bit of stuffing. Then, if you feel a bit guilty about it afterwards, we can dig a grave and you can throw up into it.

Too bad I can't eat french fries :mad:

[the.Merines]

btw guys i was wondering whether the rozen maiden ouverture is out anot since i saw alot of sites currently uploaded the op song though. . .i really wanted to know the ouverture is out anot. . .

The OP single was released on Dec. 5th, which explains why it's available.

[Flo]

The music...wasn't very good this time round IMO

[DrakeNavarone]

I agree. I liked it enough, but it pales compared to the other songs...

Speaking of, I think the video for the OP does too... Nice and all, but it lacks the flair the openings for the first two seasons had.

[Hijuelagranputa]

yah but what you are going to watch is the anime not only the inro:)

[Choki]

but sometime music plays a big factor for the sucess of the anime

[Mincemaker]

I agree. I liked it enough, but it pales compared to the other songs...

Speaking of, I think the video for the OP does too... Nice and all, but it lacks the flair the openings for the first two seasons had.

Well, it was meant to be more melanchonic.

[midnightlumina]

Agreed... That song wasn't the usual for RM but it solely fits Gin-sama

[Nidas]

Speaking of, I think the video for the OP does too... Nice and all, but it lacks the flair the openings for the first two seasons had.

Yeah I thought that too actually. Lets just hope its not a bad omen. Having said that, I do prefer the new take on the art style

[MaCgRaDy]

hmm what we can do is hoped that it turn out well and good for that ouverture =\

[Lost]

That is unless Kirakishou is nice enough to return their Roza Mystica.

That won't happen for a million years, of course.
Hehehe, thats why Jun's gonna have to pwn her sorry ass in Season 3 XD XD

The OP single was released on Dec. 5th, which explains why it's available.
Funny, I cant find the OP video anywhere; could someone kindly help?

[Cinnabon-chan]

[QUOTE=Lost;765997]Hehehe, thats why Jun's gonna have to pwn her sorry ass in Season 3 XD XD

QUOTE]

They should take Soseiseki's shears back, and take them to her creepy eye rose.

She'll be half blind then. :p

[Shinku]

The music...wasn't very good this time round IMO

i agree, the other intro songs were fast and beaty and surprisingly the Ouverture's intro is pretty slow. I hope the ending theme song will be at least as good as Kikari no Rasenritsu.

[Cinnabon-chan]

One thing that really bothered me is that Kira's anime design dosn't really seem to possess the elegance or delicacy of her manga counterpart. I think I prefer the deceptive fragility that she has in the manga, and the delicate colours used. I think she just looks a bit fugly in the anime.

[devilgirl11]

here is the 3rd seasons opening!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4Y6_oBr8ndo

[Lost]

^ That's Ouverture's opening. It isnt season 3.

[Ifurita]

I didn't find this posted before, but how old is Megu? She mentions in the anime that the hospital staff didn't expect her to make it past 10 years old... does this mean she's 10/11 years or older?

[the.Merines]

Yeah... I think she's 16-18.

[Suiseiseki]

Yeah... I think she's 16-18.

She looks mighty old to be in her teens. I'd say she's in her early twenties, though I'm just pulling that out of my...:uhoh:

[Nidas]

I seem to recall someone saying that the Japanese manga has her down as 19. Obviously I can't speak Japanese so I've got no way to confirm this

[the.Merines]

I'm not for sure either. I know I set her age at 20 in my fanfic so she would match the main character, but at the time I seem to remember a couple people pointing out that she was a little younger than that.

But I could be totally wrong, ya just never know.

[sakabatouX]

Hi guys !! i recently watch all the whole 2 seasons of rozen maiden and i was so hooked that i watched all of it in 3 days.... but i got a question for the last part. I read through the Q and A for RM but couldnt find it...

Well, here goes.. Im still puzzled on why souseiseki and hina ichigo couldnt be 'revived' by rozen. I later thought and came to a conclusion that it was because they werent 'killed' by another rozen doll but by barasuishou but what confuses me is suigintous revival. How come she could revive(most likely it was done by rozen i think) when she was 'killed' by another rozen doll(shinku in the first season) and that both Souseiseki and Hina-ichigo couldnt .Ahhh it pains me to see souseiseki go like that..but as long as suigintou and suiseiseki are still around im quite content .Hehe.

[grey_moon]

Hi guys !! i recently watch all the whole 2 seasons of rozen maiden and i was so hooked that i watched all of it in 3 days.... but i got a question for the last part. I read through the Q and A for RM but couldnt find it...

Well, here goes.. Im still puzzled on why souseiseki and hina ichigo couldnt be 'revived' by rozen. I later thought and came to a conclusion that it was because they werent 'killed' by another rozen doll but by barasuishou but what confuses me is suigintous revival. How come she could revive(most likely it was done by rozen i think) when she was 'killed' by another rozen doll(shinku in the first season) and that both Souseiseki and Hina-ichigo couldnt .Ahhh it pains me to see souseiseki go like that..but as long as suigintou and suiseiseki are still around im quite content .Hehe.

I think it is because their bodies were not in an n-field

[Deathkillz]

well i think its because
1) ginsama was in her n-field which didnt cause her real body to go up in flames or it might have lessened the impact to allow her to survive but barely ~ and inside her case she recovered somewat...

remeber at the end of the 1st season gin was burnt to a crisp but when she came back again in the 2nd season to make the contract with megu she looks nearly fully recovered

2) well her rosa mystical wasnt taken unlike hina and sui (i blame the rabbit for this T_T)

[the.Merines]

Right. Shinku never took Suigintou's Rosa Mystica, which apparently allows the defeated doll to suffer massive damage and still be revived and fixed.

PS- in the latest manga chapters, Sou-chan seems to make a return.

[Nidas]

I think its cos Boku and Hina's fights were the only "legitimate" fights. Think about it:

1. Shinku challenges and beats Hina. At the close of the series Hina loses her rosa mystica because she lost legitimately.

2. Boku challenges and loses to Gin (correct me if I'm wrong here, my memory is a bit fuzzy on that part of the series). At the close of the series Boku loses her rosa mystica because she lost legitimately.

All the others lost their rosa mysticas in the "final battle" which was more or less orchestrated by Laplace/Enju/Bara and thus doesn't count cos Bara isn't a real Rozen Maiden.

Gin gets resurrected in the first instance because A. Shinku did not take her rosa mystica and B. she fought without a medium presumably making Rozen think she still has potential so he revives her. The second death is off the record too because she did not lose in a "legitimate" fight. If that all makes sense.

Well thats what I've always assumed anyway. Where my theory runs into problems is how Laplace ends up with the rosa mysticas at the end =/

[Deathkillz]

i bet the laplace is working with rozen T_T he fixed the dolls so he should have had the rosa mysticas with him (to but back into the dolls that he fixed) so if he did indeed decide that hina and sui should remain "lifeless" then he would have to have given the rosa mystica to someone else...thats where laplace comes in >.<

[Alu]

Well thats what I've always assumed anyway. Where my theory runs into problems is how Laplace ends up with the rosa mysticas at the end =/

No, no.. your actualy quite correct on your assumptions.

The Alice Game is A pathway for the Rozen Maiden to take in order to reach Alice; however many implications come into place upon taking the choice to take part in "this" pathway, but above all it is stated that it is a valid (and until before the end of ~Traumend~ to our knowlodge the only) way for a Rozen Maiden to become Alice.

Now as we all know Shinku had a very diferent prespective on what is to become Alice at the time she chose to fight Hina, so implications as those that followed after she had seen what became of Gin in her defeat.., ment little to no matter in her conscience.
Shinku layed down the challenge, Hina toke it.
Hina lost.., so eventualy when the time came for Shinku to reclaim her Rosa Mystica, she could and Hina would have no power over it.

However there are more rules at work here..., as for example the reason as for why Hina's Rosa Mystica started to leave her body, even against Shinku's will is that it seems to be bound to a "there is no going back" rule.
We assume that when a Rosa Mystica leaves the body of a Rozen Maiden, it cannot be set back without the aid of a exceptional skilled Maestro, however the simple fact that one has left its body seems to trigger in motion all the others into following this said rule; as if it was part of the 'game' itself, once triggered.. all immediatly became affected and (as far as we know so far) unable to revert the process on they're own.

Sousei Seki willingly acepted the challenge aswell. Fightning against Gin blinded by her own devotion, she chose this path.
Hence having then been defeated by Gin, and having Gin claimed her Rosa Mystica after, the Alice Game had officialy been moved to its next stage (where such rules then come into play as I previously stated).

Now what differentiates these two outcomes in the Alice Game when in relation to everything that happened when Bara was involved is purely and simply much like Nidas stated, these two challenges where legitimate, for they had been fought solely by true Rozen Maiden.
The Irony in this is.. sadly Bara was fightning a battle that was already lost at the start, however there was no way for her or Enju to know that she would be unable to contain that number Rosa Mysticae within her body without falling apart..

Faced with this outcome and with Bara Suishou not beeing a true Rozen Maiden, Rozen himself then decided to restore all of the Rosa Mystica, those which where won by Bara, into they're rightful bodies.
..however this does not mean that Rozen was unable to restore Hina's or Sou's Rosa Mystica, much by the contrary...

In all comes down to a simple fact... a decision.
Rozen decided that those who had fought in the Alice Game willingly and legitimately, should had then taken in mind its full consequences..., because they had chosen this path they now did not deserve to be restored.
I know it does sound harsh but it is what the Alice Game is about.., the choices that one takes and the consequences that one must bare..., the remaining Rozen Maiden where fooled and guided into battle by Bara, Enju and Laplace.

Making this that.. they did not chose that path solely of they're own will, for as we recall.. most even entered it simply to just try and put a stop to it.
..and to why Rozen toke the decision that he did.

Unfortunatly we are then left with a final piece in the puzzle which holds no answer.., this beeing of course as to how Laplace gains hold of both Hina and Sou's Rosa Mystica.

It is up to Shinku and the remaining Rozen Maiden now to find for themselves a diferent path to become Alice, and in the process to restore Hina and Sou's Rosa Mysticae.., but the reasons as to why and how Laplace now holds keep of them go beyond compreehension.
..Hence.. we can only view this aspect as something aside, something that hopefuly a Season 3 in the future will reveal us.

In the end.. the main answer here regarding Hina's and Sou's Rosa Mystica is that.. Rozen could have in fact restored them, but due to all the implications previously stated, he chose not to.
If Laplace had any influence on this decision or by some mean is designated to hold keep of the Rosa Mysticae that are taken in 'that' process we can (currently) only speculate about.., for if following the correct rules.. Rozen should have given Shinku Hina's Rosa Mystica and Gin's - Sousei Seki's.

I for sure belive there is more detailed information regarding the role of the Alice Game on this post on the Q & A's thread, feel free to check it :)
POST #17 (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=699650&postcount=17)

[Ziv]

Ok here's something I wanna know: What is it that makes us obsess over this show so much? I mean, it's so interesting, but I honestly can't pin down why. It doesn't seem like there's anything in this show that hasn't already been done before. Is it the victorian style dresses? The appealing characters? The emotional issues and character development? Is it the perfect combination of all the above? Or is it just the fact that all the main characters are dolls? I'm leaning towards the fact that the characters are dolls, but I don't get it. What the heck is it that makes talking victorian-clad dolls so interesting?!:confused:

[Lost]

Yes, it is the dolls. They are vulnerable, and need our protection. That equals moe. Plus the ones that matter are tsundere. :heh:

It could also be the fanbase and the nice people posting here that makes us come back again and again (thats true for me). While we're here, what else is there to talk about except Rozen Maiden?

[Mincemaker]

Their personalities. That's what made these dolls so appealing.

[Nidas]

Ok here's something I wanna know: What is it that makes us obsess over this show so much? I mean, it's so interesting, but I honestly can't pin down why. It doesn't seem like there's anything in this show that hasn't already been done before. Is it the victorian style dresses? The appealing characters? The emotional issues and character development? Is it the perfect combination of all the above? Or is it just the fact that all the main characters are dolls? I'm leaning towards the fact that the characters are dolls, but I don't get it. What the heck is it that makes talking victorian-clad dolls so interesting?!:confused:

The characters. Its very rare for me to like so many characters from one series

[the.Merines]

I obsess over it because the story is unfinished.

[Deathkillz]

^ lol nice one :D and also very true ;) ~ with speculations flying here and there on whats gonna happen next (or not) it just keeps the topic alive ^_^

[Shadow Miko]

I'm sure there will be more. Why else would they quit the manga? Right? Right? :heh: Bored of it I suppose. But no more Kira...D;

[blitz1/2]

I'm sure there will be more. Why else would they quit the manga? Right? Right? :heh: Bored of it I suppose. But no more Kira...D;

Why? They must have Kira!

If they dropped season 3, then there would be no point in showing Kira in the end of season 2 with Laplace.

[Suiseiseki]

Ok here's something I wanna know: What is it that makes us obsess over this show so much? I mean, it's so interesting, but I honestly can't pin down why. It doesn't seem like there's anything in this show that hasn't already been done before. Is it the victorian style dresses? The appealing characters? The emotional issues and character development? Is it the perfect combination of all the above? Or is it just the fact that all the main characters are dolls? I'm leaning towards the fact that the characters are dolls, but I don't get it. What the heck is it that makes talking victorian-clad dolls so interesting?!:confused:

For me it's Suiseiseki's doll joints.:love: I find her doll joints soo sexy, I can't stop dreaming about those...

Actually, the reason I like Rozen Maiden is the character development in both seasons and Ouverture. Even though the Alice game provides the driving force behind the Maidens' actions, it was the character development that made me love the show. I like all the dolls, minus nutcase lesbian Kira. equally. Ya, I even like little Kanada, I mean Kanaria.

^ lol nice one :D and also very true ;) ~ with speculations flying here and there on whats gonna happen next (or not) it just keeps the topic alive ^_^

Suiseiseki becomes Alice!

[Mincemaker]

Suiseiseki becomes Alice!

*Triple backstab + cold blood eviscerate. Don't ask how I can pull off three backstabs at once*

Lies! Suigintou hime-sama is the best candidate to become Alice!

[devilgirl11]

i agreee with Mincemaker
Gin-sama is already Alice xD

[blitz1/2]

I prefer Kirakishou for Alice. She could give the best kiss to Father.

[Lost]

Actually, the reason I like Rozen Maiden is the character development in both seasons and Ouverture. Even though the Alice game provides the driving force behind the Maidens' actions, it was the character development that made me love the show. I like all the dolls, minus nutcase lesbian Kira. equally. Ya, I even like little Kanada, I mean Kanaria.
To add to that fine (and OMG serious) comment, I'd like to say that I continue to fawn over this series because I like the themes that the Alice Game create in the show (which the OVA brought back to mind). I like the themes therein - sisters who were made to unmake each other and yet to love each other; also the fairness or lack of it of a father; etc etc. Pretty dark and convoluted, I like. Also, because such a situation seems impossible to solve, this makes it interesting for me. So I guess I really want to see how it'll be resolved.