Shakugan no SHANA Anime Season 1 Discussion [Archive] - Page 4

Sushi-Y

2006-03-06, 04:43

All I can say is "Do not hope too much for the 2nd Season" .
That's what people said after the Negima anime, and look, it's still crawling around (referring to the recent announcement that a "new" Negima anime will be produced by SHAFT). People should never hope (or not hope) for a second season in animes (unless it's already announced) because you never know what might happen. Rather, anime second seasons are always a "consider yourself lucky if you get one, but nothing to cry over if not" kind of thing.

As for the deviation: you don't really expect them to stick to the novel all the way to the end, do you? They only have a handful of episodes left and they need to finish it in some way. Just like most animes based on a yet-unfinished series, the last few episodes always have to deviate so the anime can get a proper end.

The original novel is obviously better in terms of story contents and details (and in some cases, certain atmosphere and moods). But I think the anime's great visuals and musics more than makes up for that.

Owaranai Destiny

2006-03-06, 12:54

Finally caught up on episode 21...

It was alright...But I feel sympathy for Yuji. His doubt at his importance of his existence is hurting many...

Deviated or not, I think that the anime's going great. Whether there's going to be a second season or not...Well, some can hope and some can be skeptical about it. There shouldn't really be too much argument about it anyway. It's pointless.

LytHka

2006-03-06, 13:46

Oh, yeah, I almost forgot. I scanned the covers of the first volume releases (for those who haven't got them yet and wish to get them).

http://www.lythka.com/dl/Haze/shanavol1.png
http://www.lythka.com/dl/Haze/shanamagajin.png

Bahamut

2006-03-06, 14:45

...followin the novel or not i can still say that im enjoying SnS very much...if the novel is indeed 100 times better in story then i cant possibly imagine how good the novel can be... (what? the story is better than sex? ...now i want those novels lol...)

...but isnt the manga also not following the novels directly? ...or so i heard...and besides if the anime were to follow the novel word from word then wouldnt it kinda suck for those who have read them? ...since they know what happens it would be as if you were spoiled when lining up for starwars ep 4-6 and someone yelled that darth was lukes' farther...oh no! i spoiled the movie!!! ...atleast this way it would still give a little something extra to those who have read the novels...

...of course...if the novels are alot better...then that would mean people who havent read them (like myself) are missing out on something amazing...

...btw...shana is still cute even with a hole in her stomach haha...

tun

2006-03-06, 16:36

20 bucks says that when Shana rescues him he'll probably still be clueless as to why she sacrificed herself for him :p

I mean in 21 he thought the complete opposite when Shana saved him from Wilhemia.
Sadly that will probably be the case. When someone goes to risk their life to save you, it should be pretty obvious how important you are to them.

Mr.Hawq

2006-03-06, 17:34

No, the main reason why they did it is simply because they're following what actually happened in the novel: Kazumi confronts Shana at school, and then goes on the offensive.

Well then put it like, they do this to piss off the reader, who read most japanese shounen manga's/novels.

Bahamut

2006-03-06, 17:50

20 bucks says that when Shana rescues him he'll probably still be clueless as to why she sacrificed herself for him :p

I mean in 21 he thought the complete opposite when Shana saved him from Wilhemia.

...durring the Wilhemina scene...Shana addressed Yuji as a thing (although she did addressed him by name but quickly changed it to mistes...rather Yuji heard his name prior is anyone's guess) and as a result Yuji of course took it the wrong way...cant blame him really...when someone says something that challenges your values and beliefs its understandable (even if you're already dead) its like calling a lady "just some dumb chick" or even telling a religous person "God is dead, you and i...we are his murderer..." (Nietzsche)

Sadly that will probably be the case. When someone goes to risk their life to save you, it should be pretty obvious how important you are to them.

...yeah that last scene there should be no reason for Yuji to think Shana hates him unless she ruins it by chopping his arm off later...but even then normally your emotions take over and rationality becomes absent after such things and at the moment Yuji isnt thinking about Shana's feelings (well shes feeling pain thats for sure) but rather was shocked and worried about her condition when he cried Shana...unless he was being a panzy and was merely crying for help which i dont think he was considering his character...

...but when you think about it...whenever someone does a sacrificial-related act...dont everyone always ask "why the **** did you do that?!?" rather than "so i mean that much to you?" (heck, even Wilhemina asked why) ...plus if someone like Eita sacrificed himself for Yuji then would that mean... *shivers* ...dont even wanna think about it...

...either way Shana is gonna have to confess to Yuji since shes the one with the feelings so he has to be somewhat clueless unless J.C. Staff ends it with Yuji reaching for Shana's hand saying "we'll be together always" or some other crap...

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-03-06, 17:53

Well my point is is that Shana's sacrifice should at least make Yuji think twice about what he originally thought about Shana's recent actions.

Mr.Hawq

2006-03-06, 17:55

don't worry ofcourse he will think twice, afterall he screamed"Shana!" when he got kidnapped.

Prodigious

2006-03-06, 18:36

Nah he won't figure it out until the very end. It really annoyed me in the parts where he actually had an internal monologue and asked himself what she meant when she was saying all the stuff about "us" at the festival. I mean, plain ignorance is acceptable, but to ponder over these things and still not be able to put 1 + 1 together is really bad. Maybe when she finally kisses him then he'll realize it. Then again, maybe not.

Also, when's Miss Alcoholic coming back? I know she couldn't have left for good. I want to see her henchies get all inspired and pick up that stupid sword(I just know there's gonna be a "trick" which lets them do it).

btw, please don't spoil this if you've read the novels, but do you guys think Shana's going to have to use that unrestricted spell, the one that breaks its container? I think that'd be a great, but sad way to end the show. Something like her sacrificing herself for Yuji, and him somehow either transferring his existence or using the Reiji Maigo whatever to let her keep on living, and then he disappears when the clock strikes midnight.

Shiroth

2006-03-06, 18:44

Also, when's Miss Alcoholic coming back? I know she couldn't have left for good. I want to see her henchies get all inspired and pick up that stupid sword(I just know there's gonna be a "trick" which lets them do it).
Like i've said before, Margery Daw exit was just screaming out "I'll be back in time for the big fight". You know deep down she has feelings for her two helpers, and imo she needs them.

Sushi-Y

2006-03-06, 18:52

Also, when's Miss Alcoholic coming back? I know she couldn't have left for good. I want to see her henchies get all inspired and pick up that stupid sword(I just know there's gonna be a "trick" which lets them do it).
According to the ep22 preview on the official site, Satou and Tanaka entrusts the Blutsauger (Blood Sucker, Sorath's sword) to Shana before she leaves to save Yuuji. Kazumi also puts her little conflict with Shana aside for the moment and implores Shana to rescue Yuuji.

As for Yuuji, he should figure it out soon enough, it's always a tease right down to the last episodes.

Prodigious

2006-03-06, 20:23

So does that mean Shana's going to be doing a little dual wielding action? :heh:

And she sure as hell better tell Yuuji that she loves him next episode. "Soon enough" was 15 episodes ago.

Cyz

2006-03-06, 20:23

you know, wilhelmina has one track minded. she'll kill yuuji without hesitations. but i guess emotions of hesitations is not included on her mind ne?

blitz1/2

2006-03-06, 20:25

Shana wielding 2 swords Halo 2 style! That would be cool!

kira_lacusXX

2006-03-06, 20:35

i second what prodi says...shana better tell yuuji she loves him...and right in front of wilhelmina too...that would hurt :P. wilhelmina would probably attack shana if shes stupid enough [i hope shes not though!!!] i loved her in the flashback, but now i dont know...:(

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-03-06, 20:37

Let's see here, how would this go?

Wilhemia would take on that old hag

Shana has two swords so the blood sucker should be impaled into metamorphiser and the Shana sword jabbed into hecate.

Hey no discrimination! Everyone wins! :heh:

Plant42

2006-03-06, 20:39

Also, when's Miss Alcoholic coming back? I know she couldn't have left for good. I want to see her henchies get all inspired and pick up that stupid sword(I just know there's gonna be a "trick" which lets them do it).

btw, please don't spoil this if you've read the novels.

There are nothing to spoil about this , Because in the novel there are no annoying stuffs like Margery leaves the town .

And that's all.

Shana wielding 2 swords Halo 2 style! That would be cool!

This will be the worst thing ever , Because

The Blutsauger is the sword for Yuuji to used , not Shana .
And he uses it to finish off Wirhelmina in only one strike .

Prodigious

2006-03-06, 20:42

I clicked that spoiler by accident. Damnt.

Being able to read makes me sad. :(

oh and my please don't spoil comment was in regards to my prediction of shana using that special spell that kills the person who uses it. It was referenced in the flashback episodes, about how the last contractor of the Flame of Heaven died.

Plant42

2006-03-06, 20:50

I see all of you got the problem about writing the maid's name.

According to the Official Guidebook "Shakugan no SHANA no Subete" ,
her name in English is

W-I-R-H-E-L-M-I-N-A not Wilhelmina .

kira_lacusXX

2006-03-06, 21:04

well i just follow what the fansubs say...and what it sounds like. not our problem that not all of us owns the official guidebook. dont say it like its the most obvious thing in the world, becaus it isnt, just a silly mistake, we dont have problems.

anyways

about the yuuiji and the sword thing, wow, i never expected yuuji to be the sword type of guy o.O. him being able to use it is probably gonna make satou and tanaka jealous :P

Shiroth

2006-03-06, 21:06

Prodigious

2006-03-06, 21:14

Well considering Wirhelmina is a Japanese translation, while Wilhelmina is a real name, it is kind of easy to mix them up. ;)

Add to that the fact that R's and L's are minefield when it comes to Japanese-English translation for average people like me, well you get the point...

Sushi-Y

2006-03-06, 21:27

I see all of you got the problem about writing the maid's name.

According to the Official Guidebook "Shakugan no SHANA no Subete" ,
her name in English is

W-I-R-H-E-L-M-I-N-A not Wilhelmina .
The Japanese doesn't really care about the accuracy of their spelling of foreign names in roman alphabets, they're mainly there as aesthetics. (There has been spellings of "Lider"(Rider) and "Lanser" (Lancer) for the servants from Fate/stay night out there, which are obviously incorrect)

"Wirhelmina" is just awkward sounding and an obvious error of "Wilhelmina" (since they're the same in Japanese), so no point arguing about it.

Mr.Hawq

2006-03-06, 21:44

Plant42

2006-03-06, 21:58

oh and my please don't spoil comment was in regards to my prediction of shana using that special spell that kills the person who uses it. It was referenced in the flashback episodes, about how the last contractor of the Flame of Heaven died.

You mean "Tenpajyousai" ?
Don't worry there are nothing to spoil about that too , because there are no sudden attack of the Balle Masque in the novel too.

It's very silly to do that , because in the novel(which has along way to go) the Balle Masque is one of the ultimate villains in the series.
There are many plot/mystery about them that not yet unrevealed (especially the "Meishu"(leader), the balle Masque's big boss who is still behind the curtain) , so it's very nonsenses to make them attack suddenly like that .

But it seems that the anime(which try to end everything in 24EP) don't care about that , they also do that siily things .:eyebrow:

zalas

2006-03-06, 22:07

I see all of you got the problem about writing the maid's name.

According to the Official Guidebook "Shakugan no SHANA no Subete" ,
her name in English is

W-I-R-H-E-L-M-I-N-A not Wilhelmina .
I think this wins the award for most obviously butchered German name, ever. And I was wondering where the Japanese wiki was getting that spelling... Well, at least LoGH got it right...

Plant42

2006-03-06, 22:22

I think this wins the award for most obviously butchered German name, ever. And I was wondering where the Japanese wiki was getting that spelling... Well, at least LoGH got it right...

If you still wonder about that .
That 's right. The way to write the character's name in english that Japanese wikipedia used(such as Wirhelmina Carmel , Khamsin Nbh`w , Mathilde Saint-Omer , Bel-Peol , ETC) is come from the Official Guidebook , so you can rely on it's correctitude.

Owaranai Destiny

2006-03-06, 22:36

I guess most of us are used to using the name directly from the fansubs. No surprise why we have no idea that her real name is Wirhelmina. Sounds a little harder to pronounce for some people anyway. :heh:

zalas

2006-03-06, 22:39

If you still wonder about that .
That 's right. The way to write the character's name in english that Japanese wikipedia used(such as Wirhelmina Carmel , Khamsin Nbh`w , Mathilde Saint-Omer , Bel-Peol , ETC) is come from the Official Guidebook , so you can rely on it's correctitude.
The thing is though, all the other names *make sense* the way they are spelled, including Khamsin Nbh`w, with Khamsin being the name of a weather phenomenon in Arabia and Nbh`w being derived from ancient Egyptian (which didn't have explicit vowels). Wirhelmina doesn't. Besides, if you took it the official way, then you would agree with Mission Clitical and Pararel Universe?

relentlessflame

2006-03-06, 23:02

The thing is though, all the other names *make sense* the way they are spelled, including Khamsin Nbh`w, with Khamsin being the name of a weather phenomenon in Arabia and Nbh`w being derived from ancient Egyptian (which didn't have explicit vowels). Wirhelmina doesn't. Besides, if you took it the official way, then you would agree with Mission Clitical and Pararel Universe?Indeed. To say that the Official Guidebook must be correct just because it's "official" doesn't stand up to history. There have been countless examples of inconsistencies and errors in "official" romanizations on official documents and material - see the recent example of "Erementar Gerad" and the ensuing cleanup in licensing (simply the first example the comes to mind). You certainly wouldn't be wrong to go by the book (it's a position that can be defended), but, in fact, we cannot rely on its correctitude in this matter. Time will tell whether this incorrect spelling is rectified in the R1 DVD release.

Jellyfish Marine

2006-03-07, 06:21

Actually, about "Wirhelmina" stuff, I don't know much German so I have no idea whether it's grammatically correct or not. However, considering how "Fenrir" is pronounced, "Wirhelmina" is acceptable to me ^^ili

LytHka

2006-03-07, 07:09

Since we're at the official names' topic, I'd use "Marjorie" instead of "Margery" since Marjorie is more common. :mad:

blitz1/2

2006-03-07, 17:19

I just hope episode 22 is good.

NoSanninWa

2006-03-07, 17:47

I just hope episode 22 is good.
And I just hope that episode 24 is good. If you read this thread, it is pretty much assumed that you want the show to be good.

Prodigious

2006-03-07, 17:56

Again, I would like to reiterate that fact that "Wirhelmina" is a bastardization of a Japanese to English translation of a name originally taken from the Romantic languages. It doesn't matter what the guidebook says. The translation in general is wrong. The name should(regardless of what they decided to make the "official" spelling) be Wilhelmina, because that's the way the real name is spelled. Wilhelmina is a real German name(the female variant of Wilhelm). Wirhelmina is not.

It's just like taking any other name, like Louis for example, converting it to a Japanese name, and then translating it back as Rouis. Regardless of how they arrived at that translation, the original name was Louis, and the translation obviously is trying to refer to that same name, so it should be spelt Louis.

And just to make the point slightly clearer, there are over 50 different variations of the name Wilhelmina(whether they be alternate spellings, or different names derived from that original name). none of them are spelled Wirhelmina.

Bahamut

2006-03-07, 18:26

...Wirhelmina...Wilhelmina...**** it! Who cares? We'll just call her "meido" ...just like Tanaka in the last ep...
Tanaka: What's up with that meido?

Prodigious

2006-03-07, 19:03

*Ahem* I think you mean "uber-hot meido" :heh:

Aznhobo

2006-03-07, 21:25

I hate when she puts on her mask though, she looks like some sort of character in cirque du freak

kira_lacusXX

2006-03-07, 21:37

reminds me of naruto i think...but the first time i saw the mask i was like....pffff [small snicker] definitely looks good...:heh: wilhelmina looks better without it no doubt about it

zalas

2006-03-07, 21:38

I hate when she puts on her mask though, she looks like some sort of character in cirque du freak
I'm still of the theory that Tiamat converts Wilhelmina into a female Hakuoro when that happens.

Prodigious

2006-03-07, 21:47

I agree the mask blows. Everyone else has a cool jinki. The tuner guy has that bracelet, Shana's got the amulet, hell even Margery's book isn't all that bad. But Wilhelma's got a damn maid's bonnet that turns into a hideous mask. Why would anyone want to cover up such a lovely face?

Shiroth

2006-03-07, 22:05

Why would anyone want to cover up such a lovely face?
When it comes to being a Flame Haze, i don't think looks are the number one priority.

Mr.Hawq

2006-03-07, 23:27

I'm not sure, but my observation to Werhelmina not hesitating to kill Yujji is that, way back in the early episodes they said that only flame haze fight the tomogara because they have a bad past and have a reason about it, where as Shana is the ony flame Haze that does not have any issues with the Tomogara, thus she is weak at being a flame haze, and easily falls in love with Yujji which causes her to protect him.

lavielove

2006-03-08, 10:18

Margery used to turn into the bear when she evloved. Shana turned into half-phoenix when she evolves. I have a question now,where Tiamat reside ? May be I didn't watch carefully, I still didn't notices the place where Tiamat reside.

Village Idiot

2006-03-08, 12:27

Guido

2006-03-08, 12:48

Straying from what you all are currently discussing, I want to direct the conversation back to episode 21.

Sincerely, the highlight moment for that episode was when Shana confronted Wilhelmina to protect Yuuji while her resolve still swayed among her Flame Haze duty and her love for him.
Shana could not think of proper reasons to object against Wilhelmina's decision, but thankfully Alastor stepped in to allow Yuuji explain the current situation regarding the leftovers from the festival.

The piano rendition of "Hishoku no Sora", along with both Shana's sorrowful angst and Yuuji resigning to the fact that Shana would always think of him just as a torch, touched me to the point that my tears flowed out.

Even heightened when Shana threw herself into the crossfire and got speared to protect Yuuji, yet Balle Masque succeeds in taking possession of the holder to the Reiji Maigo.

With the changes made from the novels into the anime, I'm more eagerly inclined forward to a bittersweet ending for the outcome. The anime certainly is playing focus about the real identity to the Reiji Maigo and what is its purpose, along with Hecate's ascension to become an eternal being.

If we follow the Shana and Yuuji recovery path......

my take would be that Shana would follow the same fate of the previous Enpatsu Shakugan Uchite to wreck Balle Masque and prevent whatever doom the Reiji Maigo could bring forth to.

Yuuji would prevent the demise of Shana by transfering and nurturing his power of existence into her -- the Reiji Maigo could play a crucial role on that outcome.

Recalling what Yuuji said to Ramie in episode five, he will be glad as long as living within Shana's memory, and as long as Shana remembers him then that will be proof enough that he existed.

In one way or other, Tenmoku Ikko, the previous mistess of the Reiji Maigo, somehow exists as part of the Nietono no Shana. When Shana became the current Enpatsu Shakugan and legitimately acquired the sword thru his defeat, she came to understand Tenmoku Ikko's desire to become Mistess just the same as Shana's to become Flame Haze.

Yuuji giving his existence to Shana in order to save her will literally mean, that he will now live on as part of her.

One last thing that puzzles me.

At the start of the introduction when Alastor makes the narration, there's a sort of a shining space surrounded by what looks like machine contraptions.

Is that the Reiji Maigo?

I'm bringing this up because in the previous episode, Yuuji and Kazumi were discussing the Reiji Maigo, and the camera does an insight shot of what's hidden within Yuuji and shows that same picture displayed at the beginning of each episode.

Screenshots for episode twenty-two by futaba.
http://dat.2chan.net/18/res/2405258.htm

lavielove

2006-03-08, 13:05

Ep22 has aired.

Summary:

-Shana recovers

-Shana gets that big ass sword

-Yuuji gets taken to meet Hecate (is it just me, or from the pics, Hecate looked both sad and happy to see Yuuji/Reiji Maigo?)

-Wilhelmina & Shana takes off to challenge the Ball Masque

-Marjory shows up! :D

All in all...very little happened this episode.

Quite a action pack episode, if the things are going to be happened just like you mentioned.Magery, yay! she's the first one who must be shown up or otherwise the whole plot would be rather annoying.Can't wait to see ! kyaa!

One last thing that puzzles me.

At the start of the introduction when Alastor makes the narration, there's a sort of a shining space surrounded by what looks like machine contraptions.

Is that the Reiji Maigo?

I'm bringing this up because in the previous episode, Yuuji and Kazumi were discussing the Reiji Maigo, and the camera does an insight shot of what's hidden within Yuuji and shows that same picture displayed at the beginning of each episode.

I'm also wondering the same thing.Seems like Alastor is the one who understands the most about Reiji Maigo.Just a guess.

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-03-08, 14:12

Well the device is suppose to replenish the torch so being a machine contraption makes sense.

Shinji103

2006-03-08, 15:23

Prodigious

2006-03-08, 18:23

I don't see what else it could be. The contraption is the very first thing shown in the intro during every episode, so it has to be important. And obviously when they referenced the Reiji in the one episode, it showed that thing again.

Unless I'm mistaken, the "treasures" that are inside each mistess are the same as the trinkets that give special powers to the Tomogara. So it would make sense that since Yuuji has the ultimate power inside of him, his treasure would be an elaborate contraption rather than something like a simple ring.

Sushi-Y

2006-03-08, 18:46

Guido

2006-03-08, 19:00

I was expecting something big to happen even until the last second, but it was really nothing, oh well. ^^;

So the plan is to use Reijimaigo's property of "restoring the owner's "power of existence" back to full at midnight", Hecate directs its power of replenishment to herself (by "joining" herself with Yuuji), while the Prof's contraption continues to drain the replenished power, therefore, Reijimaigo will always continue to give out "power of existence". The drained power then overflows Seireiden and into the town, turning the place into a "fountain of existence".

By the way, the lines between Hecate and Yuuji:

Yuuji: "It feels so good..."
Hecate: "I feel it... It's filling me up..."

Unpure thoughts! Unpure thoughts!

So in other words, Balle Masque, or at least Hecate, wants to resort just to a

single but centralized source of existence instead of relying to attack vast quantities of existing humans at random and having to repeat the same operation always just to replenish their own existence.

It resembles the function of a perpetual machine that keeps running on and on without no need for maintenance or recharge.

Srin Tuar

2006-03-08, 19:20

By the way, the lines between Hecate and Yuuji:

Yuuji: "It feels so good..."
Hecate: "I feel it... It's filling me up..."

Unpure thoughts! Unpure thoughts!

Lol, dirty mind.

ep 22

I was watching the episode watching closely for any signs of how hecate
would react to yuuji. Aside from commenting how much deeper his
emotions and memories were, she hasnt shown us much.

The next ep preview seems like its going to be just a battle scene.

So the question remains: is hecate going to join Yuuji's Harem or what?

Shana has not revealed what she plans to do yet either. Explode him
as is her destiny, or go against wilhelmina and try to save him.

Omniscient

2006-03-08, 20:01

I had less thoughts of the impure variety and more thoughts about how much I expected Hecate to break into Enma Ai's lines...

blitz1/2

2006-03-08, 20:53

I think Hecate will join the harem because what so you expect her to do once Shana kills the other 2 and break Yuji out.

And besides, you need all three races for it to be good. (Flame Haze, human and Tomogara)

Village Idiot

2006-03-08, 20:59

So if that's the case, what will Hecate do? Live in Yuuji's room too?

Gonna be awfully crampped in there...

And besides, you need all three races for it to be good. (Flame Haze, human and Tomogara)

We're missing a Torch then it shall be a true harem!

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-03-08, 21:16

Torches in general would be difficult because you would have to get one every time :heh:

Besides, aren't Flame Hazes similar to torches? So that should at least cover that aspect.

Prodigious

2006-03-08, 21:23

I don't think Flame Hazes are similar to torches. Torches are shells of people meant to momentarily reduce the shock that would occur if people simply started vanishing left and right.

Flame Hazes are human's who made a contract to gain powers(and I assume immortality) so that they could fight the Tomogara and maintain balance. If anything, a Flame Haze is more similar to a Tomogara(both control powers of existence, live forever, can use torches as a source of energy, etc).

Owaranai Destiny

2006-03-08, 21:36

Torches in general would be difficult because you would have to get one every time :heh:

Besides, aren't Flame Hazes similar to torches? So that should at least cover that aspect.

They are similar only in the fact that they both aren't 'human' any longer.:)

blitz1/2

2006-03-08, 21:36

Imagine Hecate walking up to Yuji's house.

Hecate: So can I stay?

Chigusa: Sure... Shana-chan, you got a friend coming over!

Shana: Who is it?

Chigusa: It's Hecate-chan!

Shana: Wtf?

Yuji: Another one?!

Prodigious

2006-03-08, 22:02

I was thinking Chigusa would make a good addition to the harem(I'm a sucker for nice moms), then I rememberd she's Yuuji's mother... *shudder* bad thoughts. Very bad thoughts.

So who's in for sure? Shana, Kazumi, Hecate, hopefully Wilhelmina once things settle down. Hirai would probably have ended up in there too if it weren't for the whole dying thing in episode 2. :(

blitz1/2

2006-03-08, 22:04

No, Wilhelmina will pretend to be a bodyguard until the right time strikes. She's got her sights on 2 targets. (Hecate and Yuji)

Prodigious

2006-03-08, 22:10

Well I'm thinking after everything's over there's going to be that long readjustment period where Wilhelmina has to get used to living an ordinary life at home, not trying to kill Yuuji.

It could be a spinoff series. Every time she picks up a knife or a fork, she gets the urge to stab Yuuji, but has to supress it. That is of course, until she realizes that she loves Yuuji. ;)

tun

2006-03-08, 22:53

You guys are forgetting about Margery. Older women ftw

Sushi-Y

2006-03-08, 23:31

I know who Yuuji really likes. Wilhelmina. It's always the ungettable one who tries to hurt you. It's a fact that he actually said "I love you, Wilhelmina" at one point in the story.

(Ignore the fact it took place in a side-story where Yuuji and Shana accidently swapped bodies (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/Sushi-Y/reshuffle.jpg) and that Yuuji was only pretending to be Shana when he said it to distract Wilhelmina while they escape)

Village Idiot

2006-03-09, 00:01

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-03-09, 02:09

Just out of curioisty, not sure if this question was answered but where did Shana come from? :confused:

NoSanninWa

2006-03-09, 02:46

Just out of curioisty, not sure if this question was answered but where did Shana come from? :confused:
She is an orphan who was adopted by Alastor and Wilhelmina. This was discussed at some length a few pages ago during the flashback arc.

Eclipze

2006-03-09, 03:50

She is an orphan who was adopted by Alastor and Wilhelmina. This was discussed at some length a few pages ago during the flashback arc.
To add on, Shana's parents died in a car(?) accident but she survived, I think.

Prodigious

2006-03-09, 17:51

So Shana isn't very old then? I just assumed that she had existed as a flame haze for quite a while. If they had cars during her normal life, then it must have been relatively recently.

Eclipze

2006-03-09, 22:30

Cant be sure about that, since I dont remember them stating how long Shana has been a flame haze (after leaving the floating home). Otherwise, yes, Shana is pretty young.

SquaDus

2006-03-10, 17:00

Well, just posting some thoughts...
Remember the "Silver one" Margery hunts...
It will be really odd if the series ends up without giving us more about this odd Tomogara... (unless they're planing on seasons 2 called "Shakugan no SHANA FULL HOUSE" with Shana, Yoshida, Hecate and Wilhelmina living in Yuuji's bedroom... ;) )

Wondering also if Yuuji's father (mentioned in the series only in episode 1) will ever come back in the anime...
Many many questions unanswered... it just can't end like this O_o

Prodigious

2006-03-10, 18:31

I'm almost positive the Silver Tomogara issue will be resolved. In fact, I bet he'll be the final boss.

Yuuji's father is irrelevant. In A LOT(a whole lot) of anime series, parents are mysteriously away for the entire show... or dead. This is basically a convinient way of not having to deal with fleshing out another character, as well as completely avoiding the issues of "what would your parents say if they saw you doing...". It's essentially a copout imo, and it happens in many anime that focus on adolescents in their home town. When parents are dead, it might have some bearing on the story, but when they are on business trips, visiting family, etc, it serves no purpose other than to put the focus on other characters(like Yuuji's mother for example).

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-03-10, 19:26

PEDOS_GRANDE

2006-03-10, 19:26

Spoiler Tags Please. >,<

blitz1/2

2006-03-10, 19:42

No! Please no.

tun

2006-03-10, 20:15

Took at a look at 22 and low and behold, Yuji doesn't understand why Shana protected him. Go figure.

Fine but I do not see why. Were discussing Shakugan No shana episodes and such, there's going to be spoilers whether you like it or not.
Exactly.

Screw Yuji. I hope Shana fulfills her duty as a Flame Haze and kills him. Anyone dumb enough to not be able to understand why she saved him doesn't deserve her love. :p

blitz1/2

2006-03-10, 20:29

Don't bash Yuji. If I was him, I would wonder the same thing.

Owaranai Destiny

2006-03-10, 20:54

I have to agree with blitz there. Just because he's clueless doesn't mean he should be bashed or criticised in any way, since there is a reason as to why he would not know about Shana's feelings.
If I may provide a small analysis...As I gather, Yuji himself was doubting his own existence. Shana might have acknowledged him as 'Sakai Yuji', she never really did acknowledge him as being 'human', something which he needed to hear badly from someone who knew of his current status. Kazumi was the first to do that.

Furthermore, all it takes is a few name-calling 'Mistes' to make him think that he is just that-dispensable and more of a threat than someone with some value. He appears to be calm about his status after the first few episodes, but it seems that deep inside, he's (and just wants to be) a normal person like anyone else-where weakness and strength would congregate.

Sushi-Y

2006-03-10, 20:56

Took at a look at 22 and low and behold, Yuji doesn't understand why Shana protected him. Go figure.
He's just confused, because Shana acted cold towards him only a while ago when they're with Wilhelmina, and then he hit another wall when his decision to leave town was "rejected" by Shana.

It's always easy to blame the guy as an observer when you know what the girl is feeling, but for Yuuji, all he has to go by are Shana's erratic words and actions. If Shana can't even be honest with herself, then it's even harder for Yuuji to understand what her true feelings are. Yuuji's not a total airhead, when he was talking to Kazumi on the pedestraian bridge in episode 21, we can see that he actually gave serious thoughts and considerations about someone's feelings towards him. "Guesswork", on the other hand, isn't something that Yuuji (or guys in general, really) is skilled with.

Still, he should figure it out soon enough, once he puts all those "memory pieces" together.

Until then, let's hope the Yuuji + Hecate combo can treat us to more psuedo-erotic lines in the next episode. :heh:

blitz1/2

2006-03-10, 21:19

The HecateXYuji scenes were just weird. I am guessing this is the beginning of Hecate liking Yuji.

Owaranai Destiny

2006-03-10, 21:22

I thought it was more of the Mistes inside him she was after...O_o All that talk about the 'Sakai Yuji's harem' is fun and all, but it doesn't seem entirely plausible for her to just like him like that. XD

Bahamut

2006-03-10, 21:28

...i agree with you guys too...its only because we know shana's feelings that it makes yuji look clueless when really hes acting "whatever" if anything his behaviour and action in the series is quite commendable compared to other male leads...
...as for shana feelings...all the blushing and all the sparkle sparkles in the eyes and other crap...i believe only we can see that...yuji and the others i dont believe they can...
...because in our world...i dont normally see a person blushing and going *sparkle sparkle* ...a person going red is possible but not always noticable...and even when a person is acting wierd and shy...its still a mystery as to what they're thinking... (unless you're like Kotori from DC)
...yuji is just acting what people would act...asking questions then when its time find the answers...

...in concern of a SnS Harem...make it as a bonus ep like that shana-tan ep...or better SnS Harem-tan starring melon bread!!!!

blitz1/2

2006-03-10, 21:41

Has anyone wondered why Yuji didn't resist Hecate "probing his mind"?

Bahamut

2006-03-10, 21:47

...well probably because he didnt know where, who, what he was...something about that blue place made him like lost so he probably didnt even care about the probing...lol probing...

...besides who can say no to Hecate being all pure and shit...

...lol pure...probing...their little cyber-sex...

Prodigious

2006-03-10, 22:04

Yuuji's mind is going to be the gateway to Hecate discovering love. She already commented on how remarkable and powerful his emotions felt. It's only a matter of time before she senses and understands his feelings of love, and in that way she will become "stained" like the the Metamorphisis guy was worried about.

Then of course she's going to turn on the Balle Masque and go live with Yuuji. :)

blitz1/2

2006-03-10, 22:10

I don't think they (Bel-Peol and Sydonay) will get a chance of knowing, Shana might kill them both. As for Hecate, I think she might protect Yuji somehow in the end.

Bahamut

2006-03-10, 22:25

...thats an interesting thought...its plausable...dont know how they'll do it though...

...hmm...Hecate living with Yuuji...
*shrug*
...why not? ...i like Yuji's character...he deserve more girls with issues haha...im sure Chigusa wouldnt mind either...if anything she probably supports it...
...although Shana would probably be all "slash first ask question later"

blitz1/2

2006-03-10, 22:41

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-03-10, 22:56

He's just confused, because Shana acted cold towards him only a while ago when they're with Wilhelmina, and then he hit another wall when his decision to leave town was "rejected" by Shana.

Perhaps but if someone you know just jumped into the line of fire just to save you I mean that's gotta send some message:eyebrow:

It's always easy to blame the guy as an observer when you know what the girl is feeling, but for Yuuji, all he has to go by are Shana's erratic words and actions. If Shana can't even be honest with herself, then it's even harder for Yuuji to understand what her true feelings are. Yuuji's not a total airhead, when he was talking to Kazumi on the pedestraian bridge in episode 21, we can see that he actually gave serious thoughts and considerations about someone's feelings towards him. "Guesswork", on the other hand, isn't something that Yuuji (or guys in general, really) is skilled with.

I dunno, I've had my shares of observations and I can usually tell. Of course one time my cousin was discussing this issue one time and we talked about how guys are so clueless when it comes to girls chasing them. It's like the phrase, "Your undressing...now your naked in front of me...what does that mean?"

Still, he should figure it out soon enough, once he puts all those "memory pieces" together.

Probably not, Shana's gotta have to say it.

Has anyone wondered why Yuji didn't resist Hecate "probing his mind"?

He seemed to have suffered amensia or something. He practically didn't remember what happened first off. Not to mention he doesn't exactly knows whats happening.

Until then, let's hope the Yuuji + Hecate combo can treat us to more psuedo-erotic lines in the next episode. :heh:

Those japanese people are a weird bunch.

...lol pure...probing...their little cyber-sex...

I'm not so sure, their not exactly over the internet....

tun

2006-03-10, 23:03

Don't bash Yuji. If I was him, I would wonder the same thing.
I was joking. I put the :p smiley there to indicate that.

Sushi-Y

2006-03-11, 00:07

Perhaps but if someone you know just jumped into the line of fire just to save you I mean that's gotta send some message:eyebrow:
A message, yes. But what? Just because someone took a shot for you doesn't automatically mean they love you. You still have to be able to put the pieces together.

I dunno, I've had my shares of observations and I can usually tell.
So you actually experienced a girl feeling love for you but wasn't honest enough to say it and you sensed it from her? My whole point was that it's always easy as an observer, the concerned parties themselves never know what's going on until everything's over.

The loser guys aren't the ones who are clueless about girls liking them, the losers are the ones who are STILL clueless even after learning about it.

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-03-11, 00:41

A message, yes. But what? Just because someone took a shot for you doesn't automatically mean they love you. You still have to be able to put the pieces together.

Considering what the two have gone together you kinda expect something don't you? The message I was expecting, or what he should be doing was to rethink what he thought about how Shana sees him. He could at least put 2 and 2 together that she doesn't want him to die.

So you actually experienced a girl feeling love for you but wasn't honest enough to say it and you sensed it from her? My whole point was that it's always easy as an observer, the concerned parties themselves never know what's going on until everything's over.

Very awkward, that's all you need to know.

Eitherway this is going no where, I suppose I should bring in Mai's quote, "Unless it's said, it's not gonna be understood."

I guess you could say I'm just a little angry with Yuji.

Bahamut

2006-03-11, 00:47

...there are moments when you can put two and two together but even then you may have doubts in your assumptions after all, thats what they are educated guesses...for example...

*girl walks up to boy*
girl: ...uh...i couldnt stop wondering but...do you have a crush on me?
boy: ...what?
girl: ...its okay...i know...
boy: ...what are you talking about? ...as a matter a fact i hate your guts...
girl: ...huh? what?
boy: ...yeah
girl: ...but...you're always so nice to me and you're always helping me out and everything...
boy: ...its called "manners" dumbass...

...well maybe thats a little farfetched but i did see something similar happen...

...anyways sushi's right...its okay for yuji to be clueless now since shana hasnt given him much of a heads-up let alone a confession...

blitz1/2

2006-03-11, 08:53

Mr.Hawq

2006-03-11, 14:44

A message, yes. But what? Just because someone took a shot for you doesn't automatically mean they love you. You still have to be able to put the pieces together.

In terms of anime's, yes it means she/he loves you, either as a family member, friend, or just love love.

Anyways, Yuji maybe still clueless, but he is kind of busy right now, and is in a state of confusion. Damn in that episode I could not stop laughing, when Hecate was say "fill me, fill me with your emotions........."

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-03-11, 15:05

Owaranai Destiny

2006-03-11, 15:15

In terms of anime's, yes it means she/he loves you, either as a family member, friend, or just love love.

Anyways, Yuji maybe still clueless, but he is kind of busy right now, and is in a state of confusion. Damn in that episode I could not stop laughing, when Hecate was say "fill me, fill me with your emotions........."

That was :twitch: :eyespin: ....Well, it's sorta expected anyway. 'Controversial' moans and gasps from this one, the twin-cest....Isn't too surprising for me.:p

Bahamut

2006-03-11, 15:28

In terms of anime's, yes it means she/he loves you, either as a family member, friend, or just love love.

Anyways, Yuji maybe still clueless, but he is kind of busy right now, and is in a state of confusion. Damn in that episode I could not stop laughing, when Hecate was say "fill me, fill me with your emotions........."

...in most anime such acts of sacrifice is because of love...but that knowledge is from a third person's point of view...its not like Yuji knows about anime and their common traits...

...in terms of that HecateXYuji moment...if Shana ever finds out about it...oh boy, will Yuji be in deep shit...lol...

Shiroth

2006-03-11, 20:00

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay for Margery Daw's return, even though i knew it was gonna happen! ^^;;

Very much looking forward to the last two episodes. It'll be a shame that Shana's ending, but i believe that a second season shall happen.

Prodigious

2006-03-11, 22:07

I can only hope that there will be a second season. I have faith that they can wrap things up decently, but I don't want the show to end. It didn't hit me until last night that there were only 2 eps left. :(

NeoSam

2006-03-12, 04:48

Here's the cover of Shakugan no SHANA PS2 game:

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3386/snsps2game3uv.jpg

Forever

2006-03-12, 09:11

lavielove

2006-03-12, 09:33

I do hope Yuji fills her in a way i thinking, though a R-15 rating and above will be needed. :heh:

Seems like she just said she is satisfy with the inner strength(chikara) flowed from Yujii to her. Hacate was just suprised because she found out Mistess and Flame Haze have some relation.She doesnt have any feeling or whatsoever on Rujii still by now.:heh: give her a rest. She seems to be happy coz three in one flamehaze packge is on the way and herself being a leecher to Renji Maigo.

banzi ~de arimasu

*me*

Seems Wilhelmina got back some sense. She called Yujii as Sakai Mistess:heh: instead of only Mistess.May be I didn't notice in the last episodes.By the way,Magery is quite lame in this time, she is the one who should be got ahead of the Shana and Wilhelmina.

Shiroth

2006-03-12, 09:35

Here's the cover of Shakugan no SHANA PS2 game:

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3386/snsps2game3uv.jpg
Happen to have any screenshots from the game? *wonders*

lavielove

2006-03-12, 09:48

Happen to have any screenshots from the game? *wonders*
:heh: can't wait to see isn't it ? *me too* The release date is 23/03/06
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/data/930215.html

Chiibi

2006-03-12, 09:55

To add on, Shana's parents died in a car(?) accident but she survived, I think.

They never said that in the anime did they? Or is it in the novels?

......I'm starting to think I'm the only girl who watches this show. How disturbing.:eyebrow:

blitz1/2

2006-03-12, 10:12

There's nothing wrong with that.

Shiroth

2006-03-12, 10:27

......I'm starting to think I'm the only girl who watches this show. How disturbing.:eyebrow:
If you're thinking most of the guys are watching it just for Shana.. then you're wrong. >_>

LytHka

2006-03-12, 11:16

If you're thinking most of the guys are watching it just for Shana.. then you're wrong. >_>Well, I'm a guy and I watch it just because of Shana. :p But yeah, some girls I know from real life are really fond of the doll pervert Friagne. I showed them Guren and the Shana promo and they wanted to see the show (too bad for them - he gets killed by moe~).

Eclipze

2006-03-12, 12:14

They never said that in the anime did they? Or is it in the novels?

......I'm starting to think I'm the only girl who watches this show. How disturbing.:eyebrow:
Not really sure about the car part, but there was some sort of "accident/misfortune".

Episode 14, between 6.50~7.00 (time frame)
If you can understand japanese or watch the sub, the conversation was something like this:

(my version of the sub):
"And she was the baby orphan baby we took on a whim. The misfortune was an accident. My being there was an accident, as well."

From this, I can conclude that either of 2 things may have happened.
1) Shana's parents died in some kind of accident. Traffic accident is the one I can think of, since it is highly possible Wilhemina witnessed the accident while on a shopping trip.

2)Shana's parents got absorbed by a tomogara, and somehow Shana survived.

Though I really dont see how 2) is probable, since for a child like Shana at her age, it is most likely that she is by her parent's side, so technically if her parents get absorbed, she would be "within range" as well.

Unless, of course, her not getting absorbed was the so called unique-ness of Shana.

Chiibi

2006-03-12, 13:35

Well, I'm a guy and I watch it just because of Shana. :p But yeah, some girls I know from real life are really fond of the doll pervert Friagne. I showed them Guren and the Shana promo and they wanted to see the show (too bad for them - he gets killed by moe~).

I was fond of him too. But I also like Eita:D

Shiroth

2006-03-12, 14:12

Looks like we have two more Drama CD's to go.. here's hoping they'll both finish of the BGM collection from the series.

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/(mint,one_line)/detailview.html?KEY=GNCA-1061

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/(mint,one_line)/detailview.html?KEY=GNCA-1062

lavielove

2006-03-12, 14:33

by the way who helped Yuuji and Satou to put the Blutsauger on to the cart ?

Shiroth

2006-03-12, 14:35

by the way who helped Yuuji and Satou to put the Blutsauger on to the cart ?
We haven't actually seen both of them trying to left it up at the same time, so i'm sure with both of them together they could lift it.. though i'm not to sure a cart like that could have support it - it doesn't matter much really.

lavielove

2006-03-12, 14:43

It was Tanaka who was starring at the sword at that time,so she might be the one who lifted up the sword.Your reasoning also could be right since the sword was never lifted by both of them at the same time before.

Mr.Hawq

2006-03-12, 16:52

Not really sure about the car part, but there was some sort of "accident/misfortune".

Episode 14, between 6.50~7.00 (time frame)
If you can understand japanese or watch the sub, the conversation was something like this:

(my version of the sub):
"And she was the baby orphan baby we took on a whim. The misfortune was an accident. My being there was an accident, as well."

From this, I can conclude that either of 2 things may have happened.
1) Shana's parents died in some kind of accident. Traffic accident is the one I can think of, since it is highly possible Wilhemina witnessed the accident while on a shopping trip.

2)Shana's parents got absorbed by a tomogara, and somehow Shana survived.

Though I really dont see how 2) is probable, since for a child like Shana at her age, it is most likely that she is by her parent's side, so technically if her parents get absorbed, she would be "within range" as well.

Unless, of course, her not getting absorbed was the so called unique-ness of Shana.

Accident is the most logical, and fitting one, because they stated in the show that Shana has no issues with the Tomogara in past.

Mgz

2006-03-13, 04:58

<-- just discovered this series today .... thanks *************** :D... WHAT A SHOW!!

I have to catch up, grhhh...at eps 9 now... wait for me >.<

Owaranai Destiny

2006-03-13, 06:53

Episode 22...
It's a rather interesting and devious scheme, it is. What Bel-Peol said was a little confusing, though. Now I don't know whether the capture of Sakai Yuji is to make Hecate eternal, or give her unlimited power, or both.

Yuji trying to put two and two together in this one, I think. At least the memories he's having implies that.

Prodigious

2006-03-13, 17:49

Accident is the most logical, and fitting one, because they stated in the show that Shana has no issues with the Tomogara in past.
Which is a blatant and obvious lie. At least in my opinion it is. I think Shana has some sort of deep connection with the silver tomogara. As of now she thinks she doesn't have any past issues with the Tomogara, but I bet something horrible was hidden from her by Wilhelmina and Alastor. It'll all come full circle in the remaining two episodes... I hope.

Shana's role as a Flame Haze just being a byproduct of "coincidence" is way too convenient.

Cyz

2006-03-13, 22:07

NoSanninWa

2006-03-13, 22:56

hmm, i dunno if hecate is a bad girl or not but from the looks of what she's doing, she looks bad. or maybe is it because she's being forced by bel peol? speaking of forcing, wilhelmina tries to pressure shana on killing yuuji. she's one cold-hearted maid.

I think that she's what Paula Abdul was thinking of when she sang the song "Cold-Hearted Maid"

She's a cold-hearted maid
Look into her eyes
Oh ohhh
She's hopes Yuuji dies.
She's a laundry girl who slays
She always slays by rules
Oh oh
Shana don't play the fool--no

You're the one givin' up the love
Anytime she needs it
But you turn your back and then she's off
and stabbin' with her cowl
You're the one to sacrifice
Anything to please her
Do you really think she thinks about you
when she's out

She's a cold-hearted maid
Look into her eyes
Oh ohhh
She's hopes Yuuji dies.
She's a laundry girl who slays
She always slays by rules
Oh oh
Shana don't play the fool--no

It was only late last night
She was out there slayin'
Then she called you up to check that you
were killing Guze alone
All the world needs cleanin' more
She's been trick or treatin'
When it comes to parental love, with her
there's no one home

She's a cold-hearted maid
Look into her eyes
Oh ohhh
She's hopes Yuuji dies.
She's a laundry girl who slays
She always slays by rules
Oh oh
Shana don't play the fool--no

You could find somebody better girl
She could only make you cry
You deserve somebody better girl
She's c-cold as ice

She's a cold-hearted maid
Look into her eyes
Oh ohhh
She's hopes Yuuji dies.
She's a laundry girl who slays
She always slays by rules
Oh oh
Shana don't play the fool--(repeat to fade)

Keitaro

2006-03-14, 02:01

LMAO NSW. I bet you were super bored at the time of that post. :)

Anyway's concerning Wilhemina otherwise known as the "heartless maid Flame Haze" . So many people bashing her :( . I believe she has her reasons for being like that. She has been a Flame Haze for a long long time now and became a bit cold hearted because of that. I don't believe she's truly uncaring for Shana, afterall Shana was pratically raised by her and Alastor. Wilheminais is just trying to do whats best as a "Flame Haze", I think after seeing Shana almost give her life up for Yuji, she is forced her to accept Shana's feelings. I was just a bit shocked that it took so long for her to understand. It was excruciating obvious that she really liked Yuji. I also think Alastor kinda knew what was going on but decided to wait and see what would happen. He needs to step up and guide Shana not only in battle but in life, Shana is still just a teenager afterall.

Eclipze

2006-03-14, 02:44

LMAO NSW. I bet you were super bored at the time of that post. :)

Anyway's concerning Hecate otherwise known as the "heartless maid Flame Haze" . So many people bashing her :( . I believe she has her reasons for being like that. She has been a Flame Haze for a long long time now and became a bit cold hearted because of that. I don't believe she's truly uncaring for Shana, afterall Shana was pratically raised by her and Alastor. Hecate is just trying to do whats best as a "Flame Haze", I think after seeing Shana almost give her life up for Yuji, she is forced her to accept Shana's feelings. I was just a bit shocked that it took so long for her to understand Shana's feelings. It was excruciating obvious that she really liked Yuji. I also think Alastor kinda knew what was going on but decided to wait and see what would happen. He needs to step up and guide Shana not only in battle but in life, Shana is still just a teenager afterall.
Isn't Hecate one of the 3 members of the Bal Masque? Wilhemina/Wirlhemina is the name of the maid flame haze who found/took care of Shana...

Keitaro

2006-03-14, 04:20

Isn't Hecate one of the 3 members of the Bal Masque? Wilhemina/Wirlhemina is the name of the maid flame haze who found/took care of Shana...

Yeah your right, I confused the names. Thanks for pointing that out.

lavielove

2006-03-14, 09:29

http://static.flickr.com/54/112430509_c2e8be2de0_m.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/46/112430510_8ac9036a98_m.jpg

ps2 game info in Dengeki G magzine April.

Shinji103

2006-03-14, 13:53

http://static.flickr.com/54/112430509_c2e8be2de0_m.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/46/112430510_8ac9036a98_m.jpg

ps2 game info in Dengeki G magzine April.Y'know, it'd be nice if those pictures were big enough for us to read the text or were links to the original picture so we could download the pics and then read 'em. :heh:

Varion

2006-03-14, 15:06

Y'know, it'd be nice if those pictures were big enough for us to read the text or were links to the original picture so we could download the pics and then read 'em. :heh:

It would, wouldn't it? :)

Scan 1 (http://exfrieza.homestead.com/files/shana1.jpg)
Scan 2 (http://exfrieza.homestead.com/files/shana2.jpg)

I take no credit for scanning these. Warning, about 500kb each.

Owaranai Destiny

2006-03-14, 15:11

It would, wouldn't it? :)

Scan 1 (http://exfrieza.homestead.com/files/shana1.jpg)
Scan 2 (http://exfrieza.homestead.com/files/shana2.jpg)

I take no credit for scanning these. Warning, about 500kb each.

Is it just me, or are those skirts shorter than what we see in the anime?:p

Mmm..wonder if anyone here can read and translate the Japanese on that. I really want to know the real nature/genre of the game...:confused:

and one last thing...I know it's pretty off-topic, but are there any other specific forum topics elsewhere for the discussion of novel-related issues?

Shiroth

2006-03-14, 15:19

Is it just me, or are those skirts shorter than what we see in the anime?:p
I think i've got even more reason to import the game now. >_>

& yes a bit of information about the game would be nice.

Prodigious

2006-03-14, 17:29

It would, wouldn't it? :)

Scan 1 (http://exfrieza.homestead.com/files/shana1.jpg)
Scan 2 (http://exfrieza.homestead.com/files/shana2.jpg)

I take no credit for scanning these. Warning, about 500kb each.

:eek: @ bottom right image in scan 2.

I don't recall Shana wearing a bikini under her trench coat. WTF why isn't this in the anime? :mad:

Bahamut

2006-03-14, 18:04

:eek: @ bottom right image in scan 2.

I don't recall Shana wearing a bikini under her trench coat. WTF why isn't this in the anime? :mad:

*nosebleed*
...bikiniXtrench coat...shorter skirts...they sure know what sells for the consumer...

...on another note...is shana even shorter than usual??

Sushi-Y

2006-03-14, 18:10

:eek: @ bottom right image in scan 2.

I don't recall Shana wearing a bikini under her trench coat. WTF why isn't this in the anime? :mad:
If you really want to see, the March issue of G's magazine did a better coverage of the beach event:

Go crap scanner!
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/3980/ma12ep.th.jpg (http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ma12ep.jpg)http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/8503/ma28fv.th.jpg (http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ma28fv.jpg)

Prodigious

2006-03-14, 18:26

http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/cute_smileys/nosebleed.gif

j/k. Seriously though, I think Shana is adorable. So cute in the bikini and trench coat. Escpecially with that hair.

Bahamut

2006-03-14, 18:32

...Shana...is...just...too...damn...cute...damn it!

...i guess the possibility of Wilhelmina and Chigusa in a bikini is asking too much...

Chigusa: ...Shana lets go take a bath together...
Shana: *nods*
Wilhelmina: ...hmm...I shall come along too...after all it is my duty to watch over her ~de arimasu...
Shana: ...Wil-Wilhelmina!
Chigusa: ...thats a great idea...the more the merrier... *smiles*

Yuji: O_O ...uh...LA! LA! LA! *covers ears* ...I DONT HEAR ANYTHING!!!!!

Kazumi: ...um...Sakai-kun...would you like to take a bath together?

Yuji: *runs away* ...WTF is going on!?!?! Aren't we fighting tomogaras?!?!?

Cyz

2006-03-14, 20:33

I think that she's what Paula Abdul was thinking of when she sang the song "Cold-Hearted Maid"

She's a cold-hearted maid
Look into her eyes
Oh ohhh
She's hopes Yuuji dies.
She's a laundry girl who slays
She always slays by rules
Oh oh
Shana don't play the fool--no

You're the one givin' up the love
Anytime she needs it
But you turn your back and then she's off
and stabbin' with her cowl
You're the one to sacrifice
Anything to please her
Do you really think she thinks about you
when she's out

She's a cold-hearted maid
Look into her eyes
Oh ohhh
She's hopes Yuuji dies.
She's a laundry girl who slays
She always slays by rules
Oh oh
Shana don't play the fool--no

It was only late last night
She was out there slayin'
Then she called you up to check that you
were killing Guze alone
All the world needs cleanin' more
She's been trick or treatin'
When it comes to parental love, with her
there's no one home

She's a cold-hearted maid
Look into her eyes
Oh ohhh
She's hopes Yuuji dies.
She's a laundry girl who slays
She always slays by rules
Oh oh
Shana don't play the fool--no

You could find somebody better girl
She could only make you cry
You deserve somebody better girl
She's c-cold as ice

She's a cold-hearted maid
Look into her eyes
Oh ohhh
She's hopes Yuuji dies.
She's a laundry girl who slays
She always slays by rules
Oh oh
Shana don't play the fool--(repeat to fade)

:heh: that's indeed scary. it clearly describes wilhelmina in a way.

NoSanninWa

2006-03-15, 02:37

Well... I might have changed a few words. Here and there. :heh:

Village Idiot

2006-03-15, 13:06

Ep23 has aired:

Summary:

Hecate gets reeeeeaaaaally close to Yuuji.

http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/9877/114244231117852749ny.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/3217/11424427579180b8b5kp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/3219/114244278242256104hw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/2492/11424437242418e901yl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That is all.

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-03-15, 13:18

Oooo Metamorphsis isn't going to be too happy, neither is Shana either :heh:

What else happens in the eps?

Village Idiot

2006-03-15, 13:30

Oooo Metamorphsis isn't going to be too happy, neither is Shana either :heh:

What else happens in the eps?

A bunch of fight scenes. Can't really make out what's going on with just pics to go by, sorry.

Bonus pic!

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5373/11424437242418e903td.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-03-15, 13:32

Well this is 23 and were near the climax so fighting is expected anyways. Lots of it.

The intermission picture is awesome, it fits them perfectly. :D

Shiroth

2006-03-15, 13:51

Hecate gets reeeeeaaaaally close to Yuuji.

http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/9877/114244231117852749ny.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/3217/11424427579180b8b5kp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/3219/114244278242256104hw.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/2492/11424437242418e901yl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That is all.
Looks like Shana's got a new love rival. <3

Bahamut

2006-03-15, 14:29

Bonus pic!

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5373/11424437242418e903td.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

LOL!!! *cough* ...i mean...what a nice picture...

lavielove

2006-03-15, 18:43

yay! to Wilhemina,that's the way it should be.I just thought Wilhemina would throw the ribbon at Shana in the last scene lol Shana has more courage than before!

Sushi-Y

2006-03-15, 20:00

I'm glad to see Shana finally made up her mind.

"Alastor, you asked me before what I want to do with Yuuji, and what it is that I want from him, right?... I still don't know yet."
"Is that so?"
"But... I like Yuuji. That's all I know right now."
"Hmm."
(Yes, that's all, that's all I need to fight right now!)

And the Yuuji x Hecate combo sure delivered again. :heh:

Yuuji: "Stop it! Why are you coming inside me!?"
Hecate: "No, you're coming inside of me, your thoughts(oi) are filling me up."
.
.
Hecate: "That's why... more... fill me up with more of you!"
Yuuji: "!... You..."
Hecate: "Ahn... hah...ah...."
*Yuuji gets mind-raped*
*thumbs up at script writer* Good job!

Shiroth

2006-03-15, 20:02

Yuuji: "Stop it! Why are you coming inside me!?"
Hecate: "No, you're coming inside of me, your thoughts(oi) are filling me up."
.
.
Hecate: "That's why... more... fill me up with more of you!"
Yuuji: "!... You..."
Hecate: "Ahn... hah...ah...."
*Yuuji gets mind-raped*
You just know the script writers had that all planned out since episode 01.. >_>

Cyz

2006-03-15, 21:28

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-03-15, 21:50

Metamorphsis said that Hectate was pure....I never believed she was THAT pure :heh:

Probably why she's getting so worked up, she's never felt anything like it before.

Prodigious

2006-03-15, 22:00

Anyone care to translate the last 30 seconds of dialogue? Seemed like the last convo between Hecate and Yuuji was fairly important.

justsomeguy

2006-03-15, 22:01

...Did Khamsim leave already, after only 3 episodes and being in the intro?

Sushi-Y

2006-03-15, 22:48

Anyone care to translate the last 30 seconds of dialogue? Seemed like the last convo between Hecate and Yuuji was fairly important.
It shows Yuuji "getting it", but we don't know what yet.

Yuuji: (Then, you're Shana, that's what I'll call you from now on. Now you're not just a Flamehaze anymore.)
Hecate: "Shana... the Enpatsu Shakugan Flamehaze..."
Yuuji: "That's right, I gave her that name, starting from that moment, the Enpatsu Shakugan Flamehaze became Shana."
Shana: (Yuuji)
Yuuji: "...That's right! She saved me because she's Shana!"
Hecate: "Because she's Shana?"
Yuuji: "That's right, because she's not just a Flamehaze. And... I..."
"Aren't I the one who's been looking at her as nothing but a Flamehaze!?"
*shock!*

Owaranai Destiny

2006-03-15, 23:40

It shows Yuuji "getting it", but we don't know what yet.

Yuuji: (Then, you're Shana, that's what I'll call you from now on. Now you're not just a Flamehaze anymore.)
Hecate: "Shana... the Enpatsu Shakugan Flamehaze..."
Yuuji: "That's right, I gave her that name, starting from that moment, the Enpatsu Shakugan Flamehaze became Shana."
Shana: (Yuuji)
Yuuji: "...That's right! She saved me because she's Shana!"
Hecate: "Because she's Shana?"
Yuuji: "That's right, because she's not just a Flamehaze. And... I..."
"Aren't I the one who's been looking at her as nothing but a Flamehaze!?"
*shock!*

Perhaps Hecate would unwittingly be a 'medium' to show how Shana really feels about Yuji, and let's him realise what an idiot he has been to miss it.:heh:

Mgz

2006-03-15, 23:42

:eek: @ bottom right image in scan 2.

I don't recall Shana wearing a bikini under her trench coat. WTF why isn't this in the anime? :mad:

http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/3140/nosebleed5xc.gif

Shana is cute in bikini but ..err... a little bit flat :uhoh:
how old is Shana btw, maybe it will grow :heh:

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5373/11424437242418e903td.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

URUCHAI -de arimasu! URICHAI -de arimasu! :heh:

...Shana...is...just...too...damn...cute...damn it!

...i guess the possibility of Wilhelmina and Chigusa in a bikini is asking too much...

Chigusa for President of Cute Mom Alliance! Who else think Chigusa > Ama (Asa's mom from Shuffle!), both are equally cute but Chigusa > Ama a head :cool:

also any action from Ane-san in the 23rd espisode?

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-03-16, 00:59

Shana is cute in bikini but ..err... a little bit flat
how old is Shana btw, maybe it will grow

Shana is probably around Yuji's age or younger. I'm not sure if this is the correct term to use but Shana is no more than just a vessel for the flame of heaven. She probably stopped aging the moment she made the contract.

Riker

2006-03-16, 03:48

Chigusa for President of Cute Mom Alliance! Who else think Chigusa > Ama (Asa's mom from Shuffle!), both are equally cute but Chigusa > Ama a head :cool:?
Ama edges Chigusa out in terms of cuteness, but I love them both. ^^

lavielove

2006-03-16, 08:51

Without the help from Magery, that chikara interceptor would not be gone ga ga =D
The show would be awesome if Shana and Yujii die in the next episode like previous Enpatsu Shakugan Uchite and Shino.Then skeleton Yujii and Wilhemina happily ever after:heh:

I think the real intention of Wilhemina to kill Yujii is not because Yujii is a mistesu, she just don't like the skeleton figure(imaginary at this point in time) of Yujii compare to Shino in case Shana surfs upstair in upcoming battle,she's the one who has to live with Skeleton-Yujii for years.

blitz1/2

2006-03-16, 10:06

Somehow I just guess that Hecate might die a slow death perhaps from a fatal wound or something. In her dying breath, she admits she likes Yuji.

I don't know where I got that idea from. I just guessed.

lavielove

2006-03-16, 10:16

Yujii will kill Hacate with Blutsauger.Remember Shana brought along a Blutsauger and still didn't see her using it. What I think is that Hacate and Shana will make a awesome battle and in the end Yujii would be the one who will save Shana by using Blutsauger. Just a thought..

Owaranai Destiny

2006-03-16, 11:08

wrex_japan

2006-03-17, 04:57

I just have a feeling that something tragic might just happen in the next episode. Damned...
What's with the memories' thingy? I'm starting to think that Yuji might just forget Shana if the 'thing' between him and Hecate keeps up, and Shana might be forced to make a decision based on that. Just guessing...

I don't think you have to worry if they follow the novels because Yuuji, Shana, and Wilhelmina are still alive. I haven't read them yet, so don't ask me for any details. :P

NoSanninWa

2006-03-17, 05:28

"Spoilers from the novels"? Darn you, don't tempt me like that! I nearly clicked the spoiler button!

Sushi-Y

2006-03-17, 06:03

I don't think you have to worry if they follow the novels because Yuuji, Shana, and Wilhelmina are still alive. I haven't read them yet, so don't ask me for any details. :P
The anime stopped following the novel ever since the end of the festival, so I don't think the novel matters here anymore.

fithoslusec

2006-03-17, 10:39

That may be true, but the changes are not so "great" as to make impossible to go on with the novels next ark with a little adaptation.

With only one chapter till the end, the fact is that there are some possibilities for a second season. The moment when Kazumi ask Shana to bring Yuji and herself back is almost a “take everything to how it was before”, which is a good start-point to a next season. We will probably see Shana and Yuji very “near”, but if we don’t have a kiss or something like that, the triangle thing would be still open.
Another interesting point for a second season is the fact that we have not seen the “Silver flame” Tomogara who haunt Marjory dreams (and since Remi was talking about him, there is a good chance that is an “unfinished” matter for a new series).
Of course, I don’t know how the novels are going, and if the actual facts of the series would make impossible to go on with its script (I mean, everything going back to “normal” for a time), but it would probable be done to fit (ahaha…. Is even possible that Yuji will use the Blugesauger against Hecate in the next series after getting it from Shana). So, from this point on, I think that the story would be left “open” for whatever it takes…

Sadly, even if all this will point well for a second season, the “ultimate true” is that the only important thing for this is the audience levels; If things are going well and Shana is profitable, is very possible that we see another one in a near future (well, when we have 7 or 8 more novels, of course). Anyway, is highly doubtable that they are going to do a definitely "ending" for a successful series which is still ongoing in the novels.

Shiroth

2006-03-17, 16:32

Bests episode of Shana.. i think so. ^^;

I was a lil' worried that the show was gonna be rushed what with two episodes to go, but episode 23 went nice & smooth.. with some brilliant action & drama to go with it... looks like three different fights. <3

And i like how there's no spoilers for episode 24, just what looks to be like the first few minutes of the episode.

BiZz

2006-03-17, 16:48

Are you sure there is a second season for Shakugan no Shana ?
I hope there is :)

Trax

2006-03-17, 19:15

Well there sure was something suggestive in this episode again... Hecate: "No, you're the one entering me." "So... Give me more... more of you!" and lets out a few slight squeals shortly afterwards. :heh: By going through these memories with Hecate Yuji realizes the reason that Shana saved him, which is that she is not simply a Flame Haze anymore but also 'Shana' and ironically he has been thinking of her as a Flame Haze only. At the same time Shana finally admits that she loves Yuji, so it looks like those misunderstandings are put to rest at last. At the end Hecate detects Shana as an intruder, but I wonder if she will recognize her from Yuji's memories and treat her differently because of that. Not to mention, Hecate doesn't seem bad at all, which makes sense if she's pure and innocent like Metamorphosis kept saying.

Chiibi

2006-03-17, 19:38

Shiroth

2006-03-17, 19:55

Shana has realized the thing that is the most important in the series- she loves Yuuji, the thing I've been strictly watching it for! Halleluia. x_x
Yes, it is about time Shana said it.. was a very touching scene. <3

LytHka

2006-03-17, 20:30

Sadly, even if all this will point well for a second season, the “ultimate true” is that the only important thing for this is the audience levels; If things are going well and Shana is profitable, is very possible that we see another one in a near future (well, when we have 7 or 8 more novels, of course). Anyway, is highly doubtable that they are going to do a definitely "ending" for a successful series which is still ongoing in the novels.Stop it with the fucking "second season." If it's not announced it's not announced. If it's going to be announced, which is not the case now, we'll let everybody know THEN. Jeez! This is how rumors are created. Please, stop discussing it for now.

fithoslusec

2006-03-17, 20:43

Man... Is just the posibility, since there is not much more to discurst bout SnS with only 1 more to go...

Sorrow-K

2006-03-17, 21:03

Tell me I'm not the only one who was turned on by Noto Mamiko's voice in this episode.

Not a lot much more to comment on. I still think Shana (and her character development) is by far the best thing about this series, but a few of the fights and antagonists have been lacking. Decent episode overall, and it sets up an interesting finale.... even if I'd be very, very surprised if it offers anything except the happy ending.

Not that I terribly care... I'd almost be disappointed if I got anything but the happy ending.

Prodigious

2006-03-17, 21:10

Wow, this ep was a lot better when I knew what the hell they were saying. The last minute was a huge payoff for me and made the entire series worthwhile. Almost made me shed tears of joy.

Owaranai Destiny

2006-03-17, 23:29

Stop it with the fucking "second season." If it's not announced it's not announced. If it's going to be announced, which is not the case now, we'll let everybody know THEN. Jeez! This is how rumors are created. Please, stop discussing it for now.

Take it easy. Rumors are up to people to decide whether they are true or not. Come a time when the series end, there will ALWAYS be speculation, be it SnS or some other series. You wouldn't call it a rumor if a second season was announced, would you?:heh:

On another note, I liked the episode very much, especially with the way the mad prof shackled the two Flame Hazes. Of course, there was the part about Shana finally roughly having an idea of what Yuji is to her that made her want to stop him from getting killed. I felt a little out of it, though, when I realised that the fights between the big guns would only happen next episode, it seems.

Forever

2006-03-18, 01:35

Man, that dialogue between Yuuji and Hecate was so.....WRONG XD I almost started laughing.

And! Shana has realized the thing that is the most important in the series- she loves Yuuji, the thing I've been strictly watching it for! Halleluia. x_x

Yup the dialogue is oh so WRONG! I also had many creative thoughts filling my head when i watch that part.

This episode was great! Enjoyed it better than all the rest...

I do hope the next episode battle actually finishes rather than continue on at the next season (if there is one). I dont think I can bother to wait months....

lavielove

2006-03-18, 04:04

Man, that dialogue between Yuuji and Hecate was so.....WRONG XD I almost started laughing.

And! Shana has realized the thing that is the most important in the series- she loves Yuuji, the thing I've been strictly watching it for! Halleluia. x_x

When Shana and Wilhemina flied toward Sere dan , Shana said "My Yujii.." lol :D 99.99 points for that . I just remember what Alastor asked her when she was in a town, "what do you want Yujii to be ?" , now we all know what she wants Yujii to be.Her Yujii, of course :heh:

Sushi-Y

2006-03-18, 05:38

When Shana and Wilhemina flied toward Sere dan , Shana said "My Yujii.." lol :D 99.99 points for that . I just remember what Alastor asked her when she was in a town, "what do you want Yujii to be ?" , now we all know what she wants Yujii to be.Her Yujii, of course :heh:
Where? In episode 23...? You mean the line right before they showed the episode title? If so then that's an error.

*wonders about translation quality of fansubs these days* (´･ω･｀)

blitz1/2

2006-03-18, 05:56

I wonder how will Hecate will end the conservation.

Shana: Are you done yet?

Hecate: No.
(20 seconds later)

Shana: Are you done yet?

Hecate: No!!

Yuji (talking to Hecate): Is there something wrong?

Hecate: Yes.

Shana: So what were you two doing?

Hecate: Confessing my love for him. You lost!

Yuji: But I didn't say that I'll love you yet.

Hecate: Crap.

(The two girls fight for Yuji's love, Yuji is the judge)

lavielove

2006-03-18, 05:56

Where? In episode 23...? You mean the line right before they showed the episode title? If so then that's an error.

*wonders about translation quality of fansubs these days* (´･ω･｀)

No ,no . that's in episode 21.Q and A section between Shana and Alastor.

passin'gass

2006-03-18, 10:59

Quick question...is SnS licensed? bcoz i had to monitor another torrent site to get my weekly fix. y isnt it reflected here?

nevermind, just looked up the header thread...DVD & Licensed.

Frackin' had to use the search function to find this post...owells, what with (chibi)nov@ and demon(chibi) having new GUIs its just not my week

LytHka

2006-03-18, 11:00

passin'gass: Ask yourself "On what forum section am I posting?"

Sushi-Y

2006-03-18, 17:50

No ,no . that's in episode 21.Q and A section between Shana and Alastor.
I'm talking about the "my Yuuji" thing, because as far as I know, she never said that anywhere. Her last line before ep23's title display was "I'm going to... Yuuji...!" whereas the verb (which comes last in a Japanese sentence) remained unspoken.

Ahh, no matter, criticizing these things are pointless.

And yes, my theory is that they stuck Noto Mamiko-san with Hecate role just to make her say erotic lines. She's famous for that "whisper voice" of hers, combined with semi-erotic plays = best fanservice Shankugan no Shana anime has to offer(?)

lavielove

2006-03-19, 00:36

And yes, my theory is that they stuck Noto Mamiko-san with Hecate role just to make her say erotic lines. She's famous for that "whisper voice" of hers, combined with semi-erotic plays = best fanservice Shankugan no Shana anime has to offer(?)

:heh: Quite an insightful post on Hacate that is. For me the best fan service from the show was always came from Shana, fulll body bandage.Seems like they are trying to attract more and more Otakus.:heh:

passin'gass

2006-03-19, 05:33

y'know, i wonder where Wilhelmina gets her supply of bandage-like weapons growing at the back of her mask?

are there rolls of toilet paper hidden under the hood?

blitz1/2

2006-03-19, 08:14

y'know, i wonder where Wilhelmina gets her supply of bandage-like weapons growing at the back of her mask?

are there rolls of toilet paper hidden under the hood?

I thought it was her hair.

In normal mode, it comes out from her hands I think.

lavielove

2006-03-19, 09:55

In normal mode she couldn't use ribbons.I thinks that's the power supply by Tiamat.Like Shana's fire-wings sponsored by Alastor.

Eclipze

2006-03-19, 10:01

Umm, didnt she use the "ribbons" to attack in episode 23?
And that was after she lost her energy to the weird magic spell, maskless

lavielove

2006-03-19, 10:04

No, she couldn't use before Magery came and destroyed the chikara interceptor

Eclipze

2006-03-19, 10:10

Nope. She did use it. episode 23, time from 9.39-9.41 (my version of sub). This was after losing the mask.

I am very bored to be bothered with this.:heh:

Mr.Hawq

2006-03-19, 14:28

Yes shana, finally said that she "loves yuji." Now the ending to this is episode, is awsome, I can't wait till the next episode to come. I'm hoping something cool and good will happen, that makes the episode a joyful last episode.

and yes Wilhelmina did use the ribbons after loosing her powers, and not only that she got pissed off and used them.

blitz1/2

2006-03-19, 14:34

I still think the battle is one-sided. I mean come on, Hecate doesn't even have a sword! Give her Blutsauger and then we'll have a good sword fight.

bayoab

2006-03-19, 14:36

I still think the battle is one-sided. I mean come on, Hecate doesn't even have a sword! Give her Blutsauger and then we'll have a good sword fight.
Pfft... who needs a sword to fight. Marjorie was doing a damn good job of kicking Shana's ass without one.

ccardoso

2006-03-19, 14:41

Can someone explain me what in the hell is the Reji Maigo? Some kind of battery which never ends?!? :D

Mr.Hawq

2006-03-19, 14:47

Pfft... who needs a sword to fight. Marjorie was doing a damn good job of kicking Shana's ass without one.

That is an exeption, since she can turn into a huge bear.

The question is what does Hecate have up her sleeves to fight Shana? If that happens, since I never watch previews for the next episodes.

Yes a sword fight would be awsome between the two midgets.

lavielove

2006-03-19, 15:09

I lost in debating about Wilhelmina's ribbon it seems (^_^||) my bad ,my bad.

Can someone explain me what in the hell is the Reji Maigo? Some kind of battery which never ends?!? :D

Yes,it does look like a battery and three young ladies are fighting for that battery.For more information about that battery,there is a wiki =P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakugan_no_Shana

blitz1/2

2006-03-19, 15:11

I got a feeling that the last episode will be rushed a lot.

lavielove

2006-03-19, 15:16

I still think the battle is one-sided. I mean come on, Hecate doesn't even have a sword! Give her Blutsauger and then we'll have a good sword fight.
I got a feeling that the last episode will be rushed a lot.

Hacate is quite short and Blutsauger is too big for her. She will look stupid with that =D Yes, a bit rush. If they also rush the ending like this ,that's gonna be bad.

Mr.Hawq

2006-03-19, 16:48

First half of the episode can be all fighting, and last half can be interaction between the characters.

Cyz

2006-03-19, 20:17

i guess shana finally realize her feelings for yuji (about time :heh:)

PastPrime

2006-03-19, 20:22

i guess shana finally realize her feelings for yuji (about time :heh:)
It seems like he finally realizes his feelings for her too.

Mr.Hawq

2006-03-19, 20:52

It seems like he finally realizes his feelings for her too.

He also realized how stupid he was to include to that. Now that cum loving girl should just get off him, and get serious, and get into some hardcore action, with Shana.

Prodigious

2006-03-19, 21:02

He also realized how stupid he was to include to that. Now that cum loving girl should just get off him, and get serious, and get into some hardcore action, with Shana.
:twitch: wow.

Cyz

2006-03-19, 21:09

but isn't yuji was empty (literally) from the inside? (as seen in ep. 1 when shana slash him)

Shiroth

2006-03-19, 21:13

Hmm, i just can't shake of the feeling that there's only one episode left - to me it feels like we're on around episode 16 or something. ;_;

Cyz

2006-03-19, 21:18

Hmm, i just can't shake of the feeling that there's only one episode left - to me it feels like we're on around episode 16 or something. ;_;
because it feels like one. it's like they haven't met the baddest enemy ever. so this one feels like an ending for an arc or something

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-03-19, 21:23

but isn't yuji was empty (literally) from the inside? (as seen in ep. 1 when shana slash him)

Yeah, technically Yuji is an empty shell....so where does all that food go to?:confused:

Shiroth

2006-03-19, 21:25

because it feels like one. it's like they haven't met the baddest enemy ever. so this one feels like an ending for an arc or something
Indeed, and the Novel probably has a lot more stories to go after that.. so ends the life of the anime.

Cyz

2006-03-19, 21:32

Yeah, technically Yuji is an empty shell....so where does all that food go to?:confused:
uh...it got burned by the flame inside him maybe?

Indeed, and the Novel probably has a lot more stories to go after that.. so ends the life of the anime.
that sucks big time. oh well, that's the director's call anyway :heh:

Mr.Hawq

2006-03-19, 22:07

Hmm, i just can't shake of the feeling that there's only one episode left - to me it feels like we're on around episode 16 or something. ;_;

That sounds baaaaaaaaaaaad.

wow.

lol don't take it that way. I literally meant that some great fight scenes between them both.

NoSanninWa

2006-03-20, 00:23

Yeah, technically Yuji is an empty shell....so where does all that food go to?:confused:
He's not actually an empty shell, he is an imitation human which I'm pretty sure does imitation pooping. Otherwise he wouldn't be a very good imitation.

Scarlet

2006-03-20, 00:43

imitation poop....ehhh that's a bit too much info there :p

fict_ticious

2006-03-20, 00:55

^ Uuu, I don't get it either.
My interpretation was that the physical human was the container and the life-force was housed in it. Before the body could disappear after the LF is consumed, they stick in the 'torch', and the rest, of course, is history.
Maybe we could find out if we experimented on Yuiji ourselves *gets boxcutter*

migus_parvus

2006-03-20, 01:09

man i'd love for a second season with Hecate around. I keep thinking of Yuuji becoming a flame haze with Hecate as his pendant/bracelet/what not and weilding the blutsauger.

then again a midget sword battle between Shana and Hecate would also be cool.

Flo

2006-03-20, 01:09

I've been thinking, if this whole Torch, Flame Haze etc never existed. I wonder who will Yuji be with, ever wonder that?

Personally I prefer Yuji x Yukari (The REAL Hirai Yukari)

In the mean time... oh god Shana is hot (literally :heh:)

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/6050/11422933383457bo.gif

Chiibi

2006-03-20, 11:41

XD that scene was so cute. I was like ZOMG she smiled!

...she used to only smile while eating meronpan.:heh:

Bahamut

2006-03-20, 12:47

XD that scene was so cute. I was like ZOMG she smiled!

...she used to only smile while eating meronpan.:heh:

...now all she needs to do now is to take a hot bath while eating a yuji-shape or wilhelmina-shape melon bread...

PastPrime

2006-03-20, 14:00

I may be wrong, but it looks like something bad might have happened to Kazumi. She appeared to be at the place one of those explosions took place.

Bahamut

2006-03-20, 14:10

I may be wrong, but it looks like something bad might have happened to Kazumi. She appeared to be at the place one of those explosions took place.

...that would definately give Shana the edge over Kazumi lol...
...Kazumi doesnt stand a chance esspecially if shes dead...

Owaranai Destiny

2006-03-20, 21:03

...that would definately give Shana the edge over Kazumi lol...
...Kazumi doesnt stand a chance esspecially if shes dead...

I think she would be hurt at most. Letting her die like that would be rather meaningless. At least, her death would be, considering the possibility that she didn't do anything significant for the final battle.

Whitewind

2006-03-21, 02:26

lavielove

2006-03-21, 08:49

If this series ends at 24 and not have a second season, I think I'm going to be very disapointed with the ending because a. its going to be very rushed trying to tie the loose ends, the love triangle, trinity, etc, and they havent even adressed the silver or Rammie towards the end, or b. they arent going to address them at all,which would be a disapointment.

There are alot of animes to watch, OMGodess will be came back as a second season too. Even if Shana has second season or OVA or whatever, it won't be in this year.They have to sell DVD and PS2 game for the whole year.So why bother ?Make yourself comfortable and watch the ending, will you ?

Owaranai Destiny

2006-03-21, 10:15

There are alot of animes to watch, OMGodess will be came back as a second season too. Even if Shana has second season or OVA or whatever, it won't be in this year.They have to sell DVD and PS2 game for the whole year.So why bother ?Make yourself comfortable and watch the ending, will you ?

I agree. Look at GSD...Coming out like what, almost two years (not sure of the date) after its prequel and look how err...terrible (for lack of a better word) it did. Hopefully for those fans out there (including me) that there *should* be a second season...But definitely not in the near, near future if we want it to be a great sequel.

Village Idiot

2006-03-21, 15:05

npal

2006-03-21, 15:12

Personally I don't want Shana to drag for a second season, mainly because action oriented stuff that drag for more than one season tend to drag for long and I already have Bleach in that area. One DBZ clone is enough for one time :p . I mean, we already know most of the stuff and the like and there doesn't seem to be much left in terms of story to warrant a full second season, although it can spark the creation of some OVA. I'm particularly interested in that Silver fellow that caused Margery to be a Flame Haze.

blitz1/2

2006-03-21, 15:46

Balle Masque can retreat and come back to season 2. That could work.

npal

2006-03-21, 16:04

Yeah well, but isn't that a bit lame, you know, villains retreating after their whole season plan fails in the last episode? And then trying something else, and then retreating again and again. This can keep up forever.

Hmm... YugixHecate FTW :D

Damn, Hecate FTW :love:

Village Idiot

2006-03-21, 16:14

npal

2006-03-21, 16:26

Ah, you mean like in DC/Marvel comics? :rolleyes:

Well, yes. Or something along the lines of classic Shounen shows like DB, which seemed to go on forever. In this world things END and it's a good thing :p

Sushi-Y

2006-03-21, 17:49

Shakugan no Shana Novels possible licensing consideration:

I posted a thread in Tokyopop's forum and...

http://messageboard.tokyopop.com/forums/showthread.php?p=22624#post22624

It's under heavy consideration :D
That's good to hear, but it'll be a big project, just reading through them all is taking me forever. ^^;

I fear that many of the special terms (and as we know, there are tons in this series) may get butchered though...

Maybe I should translate that Reshuffle too... (HA

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-03-21, 19:48

No if they do a second season then they gotta bring in Fileth because she created the Reiji Maigo so Yuiji is rightfully hers:frustrated:

He's not actually an empty shell, he is an imitation human which I'm pretty sure does imitation pooping. Otherwise he wouldn't be a very good imitation.

Hmmm, then I guess if that's true he could imitiate other things.

blitz1/2

2006-03-21, 20:44

Who's Fileth? Please explain more.

Riker

2006-03-21, 20:54

Who's Fileth? Please explain more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakugan_no_Shana#Tomogara_and_Rinne

Contains novel spoilers, I presume.

Sushi-Y

2006-03-21, 21:35

No if they do a second season then they gotta bring in Fileth because she created the Reiji Maigo so Yuiji is rightfully hers:frustrated:
There should still be quite a bit they can do for a second season
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/9350/shanafamtre5xt.th.jpg (http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shanafamtre5xt.jpg)
(relations list as of volume X, click to enlarge, spoiler for novel)

Mostly, the contents about the great war and Tomurai no Kane (Bell of Mourning, the odd looking bunch on the right end) are still uncovered (skipped storyline wise).

But since Shana was planned to be a 2-quarter anime (6 months) to begin with, there's probably not enough contents to make a second season that would match the volume and quality of the current season though.

wrex_japan

2006-03-21, 21:54

Who's Fileth? Please explain more.

And I have images of her here. (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/r2covers/march06_orgy/shana.html)

jzmagic

2006-03-21, 21:57

any1 think there will be a 2nd season? this is one of my fave anime

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-03-21, 22:03

And I have images of her here. (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/r2covers/march06_orgy/shana.html)

Thanks:D

When I saw that picture of her and Yuiji I was just like, dude, they gotta make a second season:heh:

Though if they bring in the novels that's good enough for me too.

kira_lacusXX

2006-03-21, 22:21

i think there should be a seperate section for shakugan no shana, then we'll have images and everything. too bad its coming to an end soon. they better have a second season. this has become one of my favourite anime's as well!!!!

Owaranai Destiny

2006-03-21, 23:06

Shakugan no Shana Novels possible licensing consideration:

I posted a thread in Tokyopop's forum and...

http://messageboard.tokyopop.com/forums/showthread.php?p=22624#post22624

It's under heavy consideration :D

Found something about that, but hell if I know whether it's the real thing, since it's practically impossible to download...

http://www.mininova.org/tor/239313

http://www.mininova.org/tor/239317

:confused:

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-03-21, 23:20

Not sure but I checked out the groups website and there's like zero mentioning of the project at all.

Village Idiot

2006-03-21, 23:26

Not sure but I checked out the groups website and there's like zero mentioning of the project at all.

Yup, I just checked.

ZG did not work on the scanslation of the novel. It was a fake release with the group using ZG's name to ruin their reputation.

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-03-21, 23:34

You mean people would actually go that far?:eyebrow:

Owaranai Destiny

2006-03-22, 01:07

Yup, I just checked.

ZG did not work on the scanslation of the novel. It was a fake release with the group using ZG's name to ruin their reputation.

Sounds evil....Wonder why people would go that far. I should've known it was fake though. Volume 1 and 11 only? Geez...:heh:

Simon

2006-03-22, 05:39

Well, this is it - five hours until our favourite Flame Haze is unleashed upon the screen for the last time...

It's unlikely to happen seeing how things have developed, but you wanna know what I'm secretly wishing for in this episode?

Urusai! Urusai! Urusai!
She's so cute when she does that :love:

Mgz

2006-03-22, 06:11

but isn't yuji was empty (literally) from the inside? (as seen in ep. 1 when shana slash him)

OMG T_T

I gave up on reading your post from now on...MY EYES...ARHHHHHHHH IT BURNSSSSSSSSS..MY PRECIOUS EYESSSSSS

please think of the children :(

btw how come all of the kewtie <3 meron bread? DearS also <3 meron bread...hmm...is there some kind of kewtie addictz substance in meron bread or something cuz I certainly would love to have some of it in my perfume, lol :heh:

hmm sequel? season 2? hmmm I would love if they do another prequel/season zero who main focus/story is flame of heaven/the ORIGINAL Flame hair Red Hot Eyes Hunter

Owaranai Destiny

2006-03-22, 07:30

hmm sequel? season 2? hmmm I would love if they do another prequel/season zero who main focus/story is flame of heaven/the ORIGINAL Flame hair Red Hot Eyes Hunter

If you want to talk about that, I think perhaps it would be more appropriate as a 45 minute OVA? The main character are still Shana and Yuji, after all, and just if a second season is slated, the focus would be on them again, so I just thought perhaps an OVA to explain how the previous Enpatsu Shakugan no Uchite was like would be good.

Riker

2006-03-22, 09:11

Owaranai Destiny

2006-03-22, 09:38

This ending would be cute.
I'm pretty sure this is not a novel spoiler, but I'll tag it just in case.
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/103/11429305745825dx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Yuuji, the lolicon.
And poor Alastor. Haha. :)

Damn you Riker. I always thought it hard to find pictures like that.:heh:

It looks like a fan-made pic though, but rather well-drawn.:)

BTW, the Single for 'being' is finally out!So is the Assorted Shana volume 2. :D

Shiroth

2006-03-22, 10:15

Indeed, and the second Assorted album finally has the BGM i've wanted.. track called Peine. I'm sure after listening to it.. you'll regonise it straight away. =D

And not a bad song by Hitomi Nabatame. <3

Guido

2006-03-22, 10:22

What I enjoyed most of episode 23 were Yuuji's recalling his memories back when naming Shana.

That and Shana's resolution to Alastor to find her answer and not going to destroy Yuuji made me sob.

For the last episode, wishful thinking that Shana is going to cry out to Yuuji that she loves him on a climax scene.

It also puts on perspective to Yuuji that his fault was seeing Shana as a Flame Haze, but actually she came to like him as the person, Sakai Yuuji, that he is.

Unfortunately, most of the fighting for the last episode is going to be quick and rushed. Let see if the animators and writers can at least put some tense atmosphere for Wilhelmina against Bel-Peol, however, the major highlight will be Shana against Hecate, and I'm hoping won't get ruined.

Speculating on the possible outcome for the end, I'm now rooting for a hybrid ending between a happy final and a bittersweet one.