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Hari Michiru
2008-07-15, 12:54
Well, it's pretty fair game right now, Notaron.
I mean, on the one hand, you have the girl that changed Ichigo's life/is his rotator/made the rain stop. On the other hand, you have a girl that will love him for five lifetimes.
We need more from Ichigo's part before jumping to any given conclusions.
Ichigo's too much a shy boy XD.
That's why I never saw the SS arc romantic except where Orihime was concerned. That was because Orihime was the only one in that arc that really showed any interest in Ichigo in a romantic sense. I mean, when Kubo wants to be obvious, he's going to be obvious. Orihime had a crush on Ichigo, by the end of that arc, that crush didn't die. It was still there and only grew to be full on love by chapter 237. Kubo is not going to waste all that ink to develop Orihime's love just for her to move on later. After all, we've covered the theme of family in SS arc, the theme of friendship in HM arc, and I wouldn't be surprised if we're going to see the theme of love in this arc. What an auspicious start we've had so far. We've got the proverbial knight (Ichigo) racing towards the tower to save the princess (Orihime) from the dragon (Ulquiorra). He gets attacked by castle guards only to have his comrades back him up so he can continue on to his goal. When Ichigo arrives he sees Ulquiorra's hand aimed right for Orihime's heart. It's as if Kubo was pointing out that this is where this arc is going to start, from Orihime's heart. And Ichigo, being the first one to arrive to see it, will be the one to claim Orihime's heart and keep it safe.
The HM arc isn't over yet.
Back to the response however, I never saw a perfect reason for Inoue's crush to blossom into undying love. Where did she do/see anything that would cause for this to happen? I didn't see one scene in SS that she was in that would lead her to fall in love with Ichigo. In fact, did she actually say anything about her love for him before 237?
Why do you get the feeling that this arc is going to be even remotely romantic either? The 'nakama' theme has been hammered home from the beginning, even Inoue in the last chapter mentions all of her nakama, not just Ichigo. Had Ichigo been the only one mentioned, then maybe this would have had some relevance.
By the way, there hasn't been anything in this arc that rivals Ichigo's landing in front of Rukia on his knee during the bridge scene nor the Soukyoku scene yet.
I'd also like to add that it is PERFECTLY plausible that Kubo is setting up Inoue to realize her one-sided feelings. Unrequited love is pretty common in manga/anime, and both Inoue and Renji are suffering from it.
Hari Michiru
2008-07-15, 12:59
The HM arc isn't over yet.
Back to the response however, I never saw a perfect reason for Inoue's crush to blossom into undying love. Where did she do/see anything that would cause for this to happen? I didn't see one scene in SS that she was in that would lead her to fall in love with Ichigo. In fact, did she actually say anything about her love for him before 237?
Why do you get the feeling that this arc is going to be even remotely romantic either? The 'nakama' theme has been hammered home from the beginning, even Inoue in the last chapter mentions all of her nakama, not just Ichigo. Had Ichigo been the only one mentioned, then maybe this would have had some relevance.
By the way, there hasn't been anything in this arc that rivals Ichigo's landing in front of Rukia on his knee during the bridge scene nor the Soukyoku scene yet.
In fact, the latest chapter is the first chapter since Orihime got kidnapped that Ichigo actually sees her.
Hana-san, you cracked me up XD!!! Most popular gay couple!!! Hurray for yaoi!!! http://www.bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/wah.gif
Hari Michiru
2008-07-15, 13:05
Ruki (a male version of rukia)
imagine if rukia was a male instead of female in bleach..how would you evaluate her interaction with ichigo :p
a worried ruki oh he seems very girly here :heh:http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/622/ruki3tf0.pnghttp://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8994/ruki2wi8.png
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3836/ruki10ir2.png http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6154/ruki4xr5.pnghe's struggling here to stop going
to his ichigo XD Ruki is happy to see his ichigo again :naughty:
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3964/ruki5og7.png"I won't give up in ichigo" http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/8281/ruki6em9.png
"ichigo don't told them I'm a gay"
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/9784/ruki8en7.png http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/5935/ruki1uj8.png
a gentle ruki
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7938/ruki7hb9.png he's happy when ichigo's happy <3
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7153/ruki9yf6.png when ichigo thanked him gently, he didn't want to keep up the subject or else he'll be embarrassed :D
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9529/19uh4.png he jumps to protect ichigo when he is in danger :)
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/2130/rukichihugcn0.png he surprised at ichigo's sudden hug :heh:
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7589/ichi2gn0.png "why did you leave me ruki, is it because your secret has been exposed "gay""
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/9120/ichi1wd4.png "ruki I came to take you home with me"
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3294/rukichiwk6.png "ichigo are you sure you okay with a gay like me" " and do I need to tell you again that I'm fine with it"
Well it's easy to come up with ideas and a different understanding for their interaction.. but kubo wrote these scenes to observe it from one point of view..
If rukia were a guy, I'm sure ichiruki would be the most famous gay couple in anime world XD
Epic, Hana-san, epic. If Rukia = Ruki, then I'd support them even if they are yaoi (it's a first).
Back to the response however, I never saw a perfect reason for Inoue's crush to blossom into undying love. Where did she do/see anything that would cause for this to happen? I didn't see one scene in SS that she was in that would lead her to fall in love with Ichigo. In fact, did she actually say anything about her love for him before 237?
Seriously, you didn't?
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm305/stefanlekovic/IchigoandOrihime.png?t=1216145062
:heh: There are plenty. Not that one. :uhoh: I'll PM you about this.
By the way, there hasn't been anything in this arc that rivals Ichigo's landing in front of Rukia on his knee during the bridge scene nor the Soukyoku scene yet.
Oh please. Don't make me fish out the BAM reaction, bits from the Grimmjow fight etc. I guess Rukia is still slightly in the lead regardless, but the upcoming chapters should offer some more moments. If not then, I will retire from this thread. A lot hangs in the balance.
Got to watch E3 Sony Conference. Sorry couldn't answer you fully.
Nervous Venus
2008-07-15, 13:17
Kakashi, that manga screenshot gave me the wrong idea...
See, I love you Kakashi, in a completely non-gay way....
Ichigo&Rukia
2008-07-15, 13:20
That's why I never saw the SS arc romantic except where Orihime was concerned. That was because Orihime was the only one in that arc that really showed any interest in Ichigo in a romantic sense. I mean, when Kubo wants to be obvious, he's going to be obvious. Orihime had a crush on Ichigo, by the end of that arc, that crush didn't die. It was still there and only grew to be full on love by chapter 237. Kubo is not going to waste all that ink to develop Orihime's love just for her to move on later. After all, we've covered the theme of family in SS arc, the theme of friendship in HM arc, and I wouldn't be surprised if we're going to see the theme of love in this arc. What an auspicious start we've had so far. We've got the proverbial knight (Ichigo) racing towards the tower to save the princess (Orihime) from the dragon (Ulquiorra). He gets attacked by castle guards only to have his comrades back him up so he can continue on to his goal. When Ichigo arrives he sees Ulquiorra's hand aimed right for Orihime's heart. It's as if Kubo was pointing out that this is where this arc is going to start, from Orihime's heart. And Ichigo, being the first one to arrive to see it, will be the one to claim Orihime's heart and keep it safe.
No,RUKIA showed interest and I'm going to show my reasons.
First of all,crying over his injures.Okay,why in hell would she freaking CRY?She is Rukia,keep in mind this is not Orihime crying over the injures of an enemy,she is Rukia,she doesn't cry over something simple,she isn't the type to reveal her emotions so easily and NOTHING insignificant makes her shed a tear.Just because there is no declaration "OMG I LOVA YA SOO MUCH ICHI-KUN" doesn't mean feelings aren't there.
What do you need to see them anyways?Hands-holding and romantic five lifetimes speeches?Is it what you expect Rukia to do if she is in love?Do you expect the main pairing in a shounen like Bleach to be based on giggling and blushing at little body contact?Like I already mentioned,this is not the Rukia and Kubo I know,he is better than this.
Then,the executioan stand.The panel with both Ichigo and Rukia when she said "Ichigo's strenght flaws endlessly into me" is romantic.(when he was carrying her).Did Rukia ever shared a panel like this one with Renji?I don't think so.
"Just for Hime to move on"?What,isn't Orihime's developement important in Bleach?
She is the second most important female in Bleach universe.Her developement is important and Kubo can make it just for her to grow up.Since obviously the love is not shared,what would be the purpose of it?If it's to be shared,it would have happened through Hueco Mundo right?Because they had big amount of time to interact but nothing romantic was implyed by Kubo and the arc is called Nakama arc.
Orihime will learn from this love,getting over it will help her to mature,understanding it's not nessecary the guy you want to love you back and even without more than friendship,you can still be close with that guy,all these things matter.And since Ichigo shows no interest(if you don't believe that,I will be more than glad to hear why)in her,what else is that love for?
Everything in Bleach has purpose,everything is done for the depths of a character or it's a plotkai.It's not like Kubo makes his characters interact and change with no reason.
Because I would go the same way as you-"Why make Ichigo and Rukia interact when it is gonna be Orihime Ichigo chooses".This is a weak argument.Why do this and why that.
Familial relationships was a prevalent theme during the SS arc. One has to be reminded of the flashbacks each of the major players had. We had a flashback of Ichigo's mother, Orihime's brother, Chad's grandfather, Rukia's "adoptive" brother Kaien and brother Byakuya, and Ishida's grandfather. Ichigo's drive at SS has a lot to do with how he lost his mother. He had told Ganju (and I think Renji) that he wanted to save Rukia in order to repay a debt. He didn't want Rukia to pay the price for protecting him. That's why the first thing he said as he lay bleeding after Rukia was taken back to SS was "I was protected again." After all, Ichigo blamed himself ever since he was 9 years old for the death of his mother. He didn't want to carry that guilt again. The only way he can be released from that guilt was to save Rukia, which he did.
Fine,this things can be true and can be interpreted this way but there is a thing you miss.
If it is in an order to repay a debt,why would he expect her to go back with him?If what you said was true,there would be no purpose in Ichigo being so sure even without asking Rukia is returning with him.If it is just a debt,he would save her and go home.However,he expected her to come.
Why did he have flashback of a crying Rukia in chapter 181?He would havehad a panel of her saving him if it was the debt.The difference is it WAS NOT the debt,it wa sher happiness."If you actually wanna stay here,isn't that a good thing?".Because last time Byakuya and Renji captured her while she was crying and her eyes were fulled with tears and obviously she didn't want to go and wasn't happy at all.And he just wanted her mental well-being.If it was just for saving her from dying,he wouldn't care so much for her feelings.
Hana-chan-IchigoxRuki for the win.This cracked me up
Thousand of grammar mistakes but I write fast so bear with me.
we all know fan girls enjoy yaoi more than shounen-ai...!
Not that I'm saying I do... though I don't hate it or anything...! I mean...
Uuuuhh...!?http://www.bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/um.gif
HaNa-san
2008-07-15, 13:27
Haha I'm glad you liked it guys :p it's pretty clear that if rukia were ruki, it would be an awkward relationship XXD yaoi fans would be so happy though and I would be so sad >< coz I hate yaoi stuff...
Venus yeah you're right..it would be more a shounen ai story :heh:
Kakashi..you just need to turn into ichiruki fan then, coz we need to see you post from time to time :)
MOF I must say I love your great post :love: I couldn’t say it better ^^ you're very right, rukia is not the type of girl who shows her tears so easily.. she just showed them for ichigo sake, when she's Extremely in grief ..
debbiechan
2008-07-15, 13:31
Quote:
Ishida defied his father, told Urahara he'd rescue Inoue alone if he had to, and said to Renji in HM, "I'm here to save Inoue-san, not to fight Espada." I'd like to see his determination rewarded.
The same could be said about renji, how I wish that his determination would be rewarded.
I didn't say it SHOULD be rewarded; I said I'd like to see it that way. For the record, I'd love to see Renji's determination rewarded too and I'm a big RenRuki shipper (in that I adore the pairing in fanworks and would love to see it become canon) but I don't necessarily see the manga heading that way.
I liked Kakashi's observations about familial connections---the theme is overriding in Bleach. The business about Ulquiorra reaching for Orihime's heart while Ichigo bursts into the room having some sort of metaphorical connection has always lost me, though--it seems like overreaching and apologetics. Kubo has demonstrated in the past that he can handle a metaphor more deftly.
As for the whole princess in the tower/ hero rushing to save her/Ulquiorra = dragon.... well, Kubo likes to invert cliches. I remember the doodles where Orihime was shown being the princess protecting the dragon (Tatsuki) in the chapters where Orihime found her powers. I think it's a disservice to Kubo-sensei to assume he's going to recreate a fairy-tale scenario to a tee. The princess in the tower trope is inescapable. That doesn't mean it has to end up with the cliche ending. If anything, I'd expect the opposite from Kubo. And what I expect is the princess saving herself (as much as I fangirl IshiHime).
Hana--WIN! Now if I could just do that for my true fave yaoi ships (yeah, HT, ISHIDA IS A FAG, well you know I love him that way in my fanfic. :heh:), I'd be one happy Bleach fan.
Kakashi-san, I'd seriously love to comprehend your thoughts about GrimmIchi fight. I've lurked through the Inoue fan club and I just can't relate. Really. And I try to be as biased as I can to see each and every fans thought about it but fact is, it seemed to me that Inoue---> Ichigo pairing seems to focus on -lust- not love.
Like the picture you just presented, okay may be I'm over reacting a bit, but it was kinda... ecchi...?! Idk....
I mean, if you take off the physical contact between her in Ichigo, then there's like no canon what-so-ever, and this is just imo. Whereas IchiRuki, with their words alone, and a lil eye-smex, http://www.bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/wtf.gif well, let's say it's enough to describe canon. And I am aware of Inoue's confession to Ichigo's nostrils so don't bother explaining that to me please... (J/K!)
Relationship always works two-ways, not one-way...!
Hari Michiru
2008-07-15, 13:48
First of all,crying over his injures.Okay,why in hell would she freaking CRY?She is Rukia,keep in mind this is not Orihime crying over the injures of an enemy,she is Rukia,she doesn't cry over something simple,she isn't the type to reveal her emotions so easily and NOTHING insignificant makes her shed a tear.Just because there is no declaration "OMG I LOVA YA SOO MUCH ICHI-KUN" doesn't mean feelings aren't there.
That would be mentally scarring unless Chappy says that. :twitch:
Ichigo&Rukia
2008-07-15, 13:51
That would be mentally scarring unless Chappy says that. :twitch:
Yeah :P Let's hope it doesn't happen otherwise I'm gonna drop Bleach
but if Ichigo and Ruki(not Rukia let me add,not a grammar mistake,I just love Ruki) becomes canon,I'd be soo happy and all lolipop
Hari Michiru
2008-07-15, 14:06
Yeah :P Let's hope it doesn't happen otherwise I'm gonna drop Bleach
but if Ichigo and Ruki(not Rukia let me add,not a grammar mistake,I just love Ruki) becomes canon,I'd be soo happy and all lolipop
Nah, I still go with Rukia > Ruki. (Don't like stuff like shounen-ai and yaoi)
I'll probably kill KT myself if Rukia goes all shoujo heroine-like.
Nervous Venus
2008-07-15, 14:07
Well, I wouldn't go so far as to drop BLEACH just because Rukia says " I love youuuuuu Ichipyon." The rest of the stuff is much more interesting than the romance.
HaNa-san
2008-07-15, 14:40
For me I'll be happy with rukia confession coz I'll have fun laughing at people who say she doesn't have any romantic feeling for ichigo XXD but I prefer it comes from ichigo side…I hardly see a direct confession from both of them though…maybe something among these lines like " I want you to stay with me..etc"
Did you remember this scene XXXXXXXXXD it makes me laugh every time I see it XD poor kon :p ..a sleeping ichigo stole his first kiss by their matchmaker rukia :heh:..is there any fan who ships ichikon :D ..it's the strangest couple maybe XXD
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/1076/rukikonichila3.png
Sabaku Kyu
2008-07-15, 14:53
Ruki (a male version of rukia)
imagine if rukia was a male instead of female in bleach..how would you evaluate her interaction with ichigo :p
a worried ruki oh he seems very girly here :heh:http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/622/ruki3tf0.pnghttp://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8994/ruki2wi8.png
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3836/ruki10ir2.png http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6154/ruki4xr5.pnghe's struggling here to stop going
to his ichigo XD Ruki is happy to see his ichigo again :naughty:
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3964/ruki5og7.png"I won't give up in ichigo" http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/8281/ruki6em9.png
"ichigo don't told them I'm a gay"
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/9784/ruki8en7.png http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/5935/ruki1uj8.png
a gentle ruki
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7938/ruki7hb9.png he's happy when ichigo's happy <3
http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7153/ruki9yf6.png when ichigo thanked him gently, he didn't want to keep up the subject or else he'll be embarrassed :D
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9529/19uh4.png he jumps to protect ichigo when he is in danger :)
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/2130/rukichihugcn0.png he surprised at ichigo's sudden hug :heh:
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7589/ichi2gn0.png "why did you leave me ruki, is it because your secret has been exposed "gay""
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/9120/ichi1wd4.png "ruki I came to take you home with me"
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3294/rukichiwk6.png "ichigo are you sure you okay with a gay like me" " and do I need to tell you again that I'm fine with it"
Well it's easy to come up with ideas and a different understanding for their interaction.. but kubo wrote these scenes to observe it from one point of view..
If rukia were a guy, I'm sure ichiruki would be the most famous gay couple in anime world XD
So, are you trying to say that Ichigo's action w/ Rukia is romantic in these scenes because they would be considered "gay" if Rukia was a male character?
Excuse me if I don't see the logic here. Men treat women differently, regardless if they're romantically interested or not. That's a fact. I kiss my aunt on the cheek when I see her, but not my uncle (I don't think he would appreciate that very much). In that situation, my action has nothing to do with romance but the fact that my aunt is female and my uncle is male.
There are different levels of what is acceptable interaction between people of the same gender vs. people of different gender, not just romantically, but in common situations. For males, the tolerance level of how they can act with another male before it gets "weird" is notably more strict. Because Rukia is female, Kubo is allowed to have much more emotional scenes between the two than if Rukia was male. However, that doesn't mean romance is always implied.
Besides, like kakashi pointed out, the same interaction "rule" applies to Orihime. You think Ichigo would pick Ishida up by the waist to carry him down from the tower when he wasn't even injured, like he did for Orihime? That would raise some eyebrows.
Did you remember this scene XXXXXXXXXD it makes me laugh every time I see it XD poor kon ..a sleeping ichigo stole his first kiss by their matchmaker rukia ..is there any fan who ships ichikon ..it's the strangest couple maybe XXD
Someone once posted that the person who gets the first kiss in the story usually wins the protagonist's interest.
My reply: Kon wins.
Nervous Venus
2008-07-15, 14:56
Kyu, she was being sarcastic. Earlier - you may have missed it - HayashiTakara was trying to prove that Rukia acts like a man and if you were to switch her gender, no one would blink twice, whereas if we were to switch Orihime's gender, supposedly the whole world would be screaming " Gay!", which I also find very homopobic, stereotypical and insulting (but if he's not, then he's done a pretty good job of pretending to be :p )
Men treat women differently, regardless if they're romantically interested or not. That's a fact. I kiss my aunt on the cheek when I see her, but not my uncle (I don't think he would appreciate that very much).
A little OT, but in certain countries (like when I go to visit Thailand and Cambodia for charities), there are men who hold hand with other men (same goes for women) as a sign of friendship. I've had to learn to be comfortable when another woman wants to hold hands while walking around the market out of respect, like friends from the US learn to take off their shoes and wear slippers before entering my parent's home.
I find that in certain countries the standards for how men treat other men (ie. in France, men kiss on the cheek as a greeting, middle-eastern countries hugging and kissing other men on the cheek in public is a sign of friendship , while they do not do so in public with women) are always different.
HaNa-san
2008-07-15, 15:16
So, are you trying to say that Ichigo's action w/ Rukia is romantic in these scenes because they would be considered "gay" if Rukia was a male character?
yes :D
Excuse me if I don't see the logic here. Men treat women differently, regardless if they're romantically interested or not. That's a fact. I kiss my aunt on the cheek when I see her, but not my uncle (I don't think he would appreciate that very much). In that situation, my action has nothing to do with romance but the fact that my aunt is female and my uncle is male.
But there're some of ichiori fans who see that ichigo treats rukia like a guy..like him being harsh and stubborn with her, but it seems they fail to notice these emotional and tender scenes between them..
In my culture, I kiss both of my aunt and uncle on the cheek..there's no problem with the gender here, but only for the relative ones (who share the same blood)..so in my case, I can only add a kiss outside blood related if the guy was my husband..
There are different levels of what is acceptable interaction between people of the same gender vs. people of different gender, not just romantically, but in common situations. For males, the tolerance level of how they can act with another male before it gets "weird" is notably more strict. Because Rukia is female, Kubo is allowed to have much more emotional scenes between the two than if Rukia was male. However, that doesn't mean romance is always implied.
But honestly did you see rukia acts that emotional with other male friends other than ichigo.. don't say that because the others didn't face these circumstances..renji was about to die..she was worried but frankly not at the same level as ichigo's ..
Besides, like kakashi pointed out, the same interaction "rule" applies to Orihime. You think Ichigo would pick Ishida up by the waist to carry him down from the tower when he wasn't even injured, like he did for Orihime? That would raise some eyebrows.
But chad did that with ishida in ss arc :p
Someone once posted that the person who gets the first kiss in the story usually wins the protagonist's interest.
My reply: Kon wins.
agree XXD rukia and orihime should consider him their rival now :heh:
Besides, like kakashi pointed out, the same interaction "rule" applies to Orihime. You think Ichigo would pick Ishida up by the waist to carry him down from the tower when he wasn't even injured, like he did for Orihime? That would raise some eyebrows.
Didn't Chad do exactly that with Ishida in the corridor to Soul Society?
WolfAssassin45
2008-07-15, 15:54
well, im new to this forum but i have PROOF, real proof that Rukia likes Ichigo. just click on the link below and read
Rukia's bio.
http://saiyanisland.com/bleach/?auto=info/CharactersMain
Thanks! ^.^
WolfAssassin45
2008-07-15, 15:55
this is a popular topic, isnt it?
Endrance
2008-07-15, 15:59
Not all potential love interests in an anime that are girls have to be mega feminine girls ya know...just sayin
Sabaku Kyu
2008-07-15, 16:11
Kyu, she was being sarcastic. Earlier - you may have missed it - HayashiTakara was trying to prove that Rukia acts like a man and if you were to switch her gender, no one would blink twice, whereas if we were to switch Orihime's gender, supposedly the whole world would be screaming " Gay!", which I also find very homopobic, stereotypical and insulting (but if he's not, then he's done a pretty good job of pretending to be :p )
Yeah, I noticed that when I went back and read back a little back further, I was about to do a stealthy delete but several people replied before I could. :heh:
A little OT, but in certain countries (like when I go to visit Thailand and Cambodia for charities), there are men who hold hand with other men (same goes for women) as a sign of friendship (I've had to learn to be comfortable when another woman wants to hold hands while walking around the market out of respect, like friends from the US learn to take off their shoes and wear slippers before entering my house), though in no way does that imply they are romantically interested in one another.
I find that in certain countries the standards for how men treat other men (ie. in France, men kiss on the cheek as a greeting, middle-eastern countries is hugging and kissing on the cheek, while they do not do so in public with women) are always different.
The standards do vary from culture to culture. But usually you will almost always find that there is some taboo that can't be crossed when it comes to dealing with the same sex (for example in France kissing another man on the cheek as a greeting may be acceptable, but kissing the hand is always reserved for women).
But there're some of ichiori fans who see that ichigo treats rukia like a guy..like him being harsh and stubborn with her, but it seems they fail to notice these emotional and tender scenes between them..
In my culture, I kiss both of my aunt and uncle on the cheek..there's no problem with the gender here, but only for the relative ones (who share the same blood)..so in my case, I can only add a kiss outside blood related if the guy was my husband..
You're right. No one should say that Ichigo treats Rukia like a man. Just as long as it's agreed that a man treating a woman like a woman is not the same thing as treating them as a lover.
Also, the standard is different for women as they can be depicted as being much more intimate with each other but still not break taboo (example, Matsumoto comforting Orihime while butt naked, now, imagine say, Utitake trying to comfort Hitsugaya like that and how much more disturbing that is :upset:). For a character like Ichigo, who is the typical tough-guy, the only people he can share emotional/tender moments with are women. This is part of the reason Rukia is a female character.
But honestly did you see rukia acts that emotional with other male friends other than ichigo.. don't say that because the others didn't face these circumstances..renji was about to die..she was worried but frankly not at the same level as ichigo's ..
Yes, and suddenly she shows the same level of concern for Orihime in HM, whereas they were barely aquaintences before that...because Orihime is a main character now. The world revolves around the main characters. Everybody cries buckets over them. Secondary characters like Renji, not so much.
Didn't Chad do exactly that with Ishida in the corridor to Soul Society?
The walls were closing in weren't they? That situation was more urgent, while Orihime wasn't in any danger or injured. Ichigo was carrying her because he wanted to save time getting to the others, but somehow I doubt he would've been that courteous to Ishida or Renji. At least he wouldn't have have carried them like that(maybe arm over the shoulder or something)
WolfAssassin45
2008-07-15, 16:14
well, personally i think why Ichigo treats Rukia the way he does is because Ichigo knows shes tough. and he treats Inoue the way he does is because he knows shes a stupid little weakling (yes im an inoue hater) and i read an interview with Tite Kubo (which i cant seem to find again) that said Ichigo used to have black hair and glasses. but he changed it to orange hair and no glasses. i think he did that to match Rukia better than Inoue. :D
Hari Michiru
2008-07-15, 16:15
Yes, and suddenly she shows the same level of concern for Orihime in HM, whereas they were barely aquaintences before that...because Orihime is a main character now. The world revolves around the main characters. Everybody cries buckets over them. Secondary characters like Renji, not so much.
Since when did Rukia cry over Orihime?
WolfAssassin45
2008-07-15, 16:20
i forgot to write in my last post that there is ALOT more Ichiruki moments than Ichihime moments. just look through the mangas.
Nervous Venus
2008-07-15, 16:22
WolfAssassin45, would you care to give us some examples that shows there are more Ichiruki moments over IchiHime moments? Would be helpful, plus I like to refresh my memory :)
Endrance
2008-07-15, 16:25
True there have been more ichiruki moments (and im gonna take my "shipping glasses" off for this one) thats because theyve spent more time together not necessarily in a romantic way though
WolfAssassin45
2008-07-15, 16:30
ok nervous venus: first off, rukia freakin LIVES with Ichigo so there's gotta be something there we dont see in the anime or manga like when Ichigo brings her dinner and breakfast and just hanging out in general. episode 8 memories in the rain when Ichigo collapsed on Rukia she could have chosen to set him on the ground, but instead she put him in her lap. and in the SS arc when Ichigo meets Rukia on that bridge notice the way she looks at him and also when he saves her. Rukia's been dropping off alot of hints you just have to look at it carefully. :D
Hari Michiru
2008-07-15, 16:31
ok nervous venus: first off, rukia freakin LIVES with Ichigo so there's gotta be something there we dont see in the anime or manga like when Ichigo brings her dinner and breakfast and just hanging out in general. episode 8 memories in the rain when Ichigo collapsed on Rukia she could have chosen to set him on the ground, but instead she put him in her lap. and in the SS arc when Ichigo meets Rukia on that bridge notice the way she looks at him and also when he saves her. Rukia's been dropping off alot of hints you just have to look at it carefully. :D
There's also those eyes Rukia gave Ichigo when he rescued her from being executed.
WolfAssassin45
2008-07-15, 16:43
yah that too. oh oh! and also in the HM arc when Ichigo feels Rukia's reitsu dissapear he imedietly starts to worry when hes SUPPOSED to be saving Inoue. but when Ulquirro (forgot how to spell his name) says hes the one when took Inoue away Ichigo attacks him but thats just his anger issues or whatever...
WolfAssassin45
2008-07-15, 17:08
omg! i keep forgetting to put stuff! also, in the HM arc when Grimmjow asked Ichigo if he just went there to fight and Ichigo said yes he came there to fight but he also said he came there to save Inoue. however, in the SS arc Ichigo was like "i gotta save save Rukia i gotta save Rukia!" there was no going there just to fight. and just to point out that Ichigo and Rukia call each other by they're first name and Ichigo calls Inoue by her last name.
HayashiTakara
2008-07-15, 17:16
@wolf, I wonder where you've been after all this time? There was dozens of pages dealing with what you 're talking about. And use the Edit button instead of double/triple posting.
Haven't you already done something like this HT?
Just wondering...
HayashiTakara
2008-07-15, 17:20
It was something similar but no one understood the rules... so this is basically a super dumb down version. where no one can possibly misunderstand what I'm saying.
Nervous Venus
2008-07-15, 17:24
HT, while I'm collecting some thoughts on this, I'd like to return the challenge to you for Orihime. My only basic requirement is it be something Ichigo said or did (besides bring her tea).
Fair is fair my friend :)
I think this challenge is pretty ridiculous, but we'll I shall entertain you for a change.
I thought I remembered OD posting some screens to the challenge.. and she was pretty much the only one who committed something.
The fact is, even if this challenge is feasible, people are still going to have differing opinions about what they see.
They might see Ichigo and Rukia's interactions as romantic or those with romantic potential, or likewise they could view Ichigo and Inoue's reactions as romantic.
You can't really PREDICT what people who know nothing about the series are going to say/think.
HayashiTakara
2008-07-15, 17:25
You think I would issue a challenge without doing it myself? tsk tsk, you underestimate me.
@Notaron, Romantic is romantic, theres a set defination and interpretation of romance, especially in media and standard societal thinking. No point in trying to make excuses, its your choice to do it or not.
Plus, this challenge would require us to actually have a fair number of posters on here who know nothing about the series at all to comment, which is about as likely as the Arizona Cardinals winning a Super Bowl.
HayashiTakara
2008-07-15, 17:28
Read my edited comment.
What the? No there isn't. Different societies are going to have different interpretations on what romance is/can be. Ideologies don't always follow set scholarly definitions.
HayashiTakara
2008-07-15, 17:33
*sigh, stop making excuses. Everyone can agree what romance is. Why do you think romance movies from hollywood are the most popular "WORLD WIDE". Even if they don't agree due to personal opinion or preference, everyone can always agree what a romance novel/movie/whatever is like.
I'm not making excuses. I'm trying to be reasonable, because even if this challenge is a feasible undertaking, people aren't going to agree on everything.
What makes you think if you link a scene some IchiHime/IchiRuki fan isn't going to go "Huh? No that isn't romantic. It's been misinterpreted." That pretty much sums up some people's mindsets.
HayashiTakara
2008-07-15, 17:39
You are making excuses. If you're too scared that people won't take what you have to offer as romantic, then don't do it.
Romance is Romance, and the generalized notion of romance is the "french" romance, which we japanese seem to be very fond of. If you see something as romantic, but can be interpret as something else, can it really be considered romance? makes you think don't it?
That all depends on shipping. IchiRuki shippers see scenes between Ichigo and Rukia as romantic, while IchiHime or RenRuki fans don't and vice versa.
Notaron is right. Many scenes have been debated over and over again with no one reaching a consensus from both sides. Someone posting the Orihime's confession scene would undoubtedly be attacked by the other side while someone posting the Rukia execution scene or the Memories in the Rain scene and many others would be attacked by the IchiOri side.
You are being unreasonable in accusing people of making excuses when any shipper would know it's just a summary of what's going on in the last 300 pages.
I gotta agree with Notaron. I also think this challenge would be pointless. It's not that we're backing out, it's more of logical...?
Either way, each fan has their own opinion of how they'll see each panel.
Thank you, Crisis.
It seems some people actually get what I was saying.
Nervous Venus
2008-07-15, 17:58
You think I would issue a challenge without doing it myself? tsk tsk, you underestimate me.
@Notaron, Romantic is romantic, theres a set defination and interpretation of romance, especially in media and standard societal thinking. No point in trying to make excuses, its your choice to do it or not.
There are really - NO - set definitions and interpretations for romance in shonen comics. Our perspectives of "romance" differs due to a lot of personal factors: environment, past, upbringing, etc., etc.,
or else there wouldn't be opposing sides.
BleachAddict
2008-07-15, 18:02
Pick 2 scenes of your respective favorite pairing (IchiRukia or Ichihime) that you feel to be the most "romantic", either from anime or from manga, and I emphasize on the word romantic. It has to be something that you feel is so awesomely awesome that someone who doesn't know anything about bleach would suspect something going on between the two characters. Any challengers?
this challenge pretty much sums up the 280+ pages of this thread. ??? what's the point? i agree with notaron and venus.
Nervous Venus
2008-07-15, 18:05
You remind me of Michael Scott from The Office during the basketball challenge episode. Good times.
Lol
Adding this pointless sentence just so it won't look like my brain died and I look like one of those people who just love posting one-word posts.
Nervous Venus
2008-07-15, 18:19
Don't take it personal. I offered to oblige (though I'm at work right now, and can't do much in terms of surfing except to type). I'm honestly in the party that feels like it could swing both ways. I don't really see any romantic inclinations from Ichigo to Rukia or Orihime, though if I had to measure it by media standards, I do believe that something as simple as the "eyesmex" - as someone gloriously put it before - that continually occurs between Ichigo and Rukia sent me really strange mixed signals. IF she were sort of like his sister (and I have yet to see him look at his sisters that way), I would be really, really creeped out,
but to some it just shows their close, buddy-cop sort of bond. Which is OK too.
Not speaking for anybody else here, but I think, really, those looks plus Ichigo's personal statements about Rukia like "...because of you I feel like the rain has stopped," are what does me in. Hey, I'm simple. Once I get something along those lines between Ichigo and Orihime, I will have more to hold onto in order to support that pairing.
I sorta had the feeling that this would happen. You know why you IchiRuki fans are so opposed to it? I'll clear it up for you. Its because theres basically zero romantic moments between Ichigo and Rukia., because you are fans, you attach hidden meanings behind what you are seeing. To an outsider, they would not know what you are talking about just by looking at it. But if an outsider were to see the Inoue's side, it'll automatically ring romance. And that is a FACT.
Yes, there is a difference between personal opinion, and generally accepted, notions on romance. But, there is a set standard to what societies as a whole accept as a romance genre. Unless you're going to tell me that if you show a romance movie to a random person, and he/she will automatically think its a horror flick? (To some maybe as they don't like romance, even still they'll acknowledge it as romance)
Huzzah for generalizations amirite?
In your opinion, there are no romantic moments between Ichigo and Rukia, because you're obviously an IchiHime shipper. Others (and please don't make assumptions that EVERY SINGLE PERSON will agree with you)might agree with IchiRuki shippers and say that they view scenes between them as romantic.
Consequentially, someone else might see the confession scene and see it as romantic from Inoue's side, not from Ichigo's. You really can't predict what people are going to say and to say otherwise is pretty ridiculous to be honest.
But if an outsider were to see the Inoue's side, it'll automatically ring one-sided conflicted love. And that is a FACT.
Corrected.
I sorta had the feeling that this would happen. You know why you IchiRuki fans are so opposed to it? I'll clear it up for you. Its because theres basically zero romantic moments between Ichigo and Rukia., because you are fans, you attach hidden meanings behind what you are seeing. To an outsider, they would not know what you are talking about just by looking at it. But if an outsider were to see the Inoue's side, it'll automatically ring romance. And that is a FACT.
Yes, there is a difference between personal opinion, and generally accepted, notions on romance. But, there is a set standard to what societies as a whole accept as a romance genre. Unless you're going to tell me that if you show a romance movie to a random person, and he/she will automatically think its a horror flick? (To some maybe as they don't like romance, even still they'll acknowledge it as romance)
"blah blah blah ICHIORI <3 ICHIRUKI </3 blah blah blah"
You're slipping. Get your game up.
Go with what you feel is the 2 most romantic scene, thats all I'm asking. There will always be naysayers but, make it something convincing enough that the complaints are shallow and grasping at straws.
That's the point. You can't conclusively deduce that any scene screams two-sided romance. We can deduce and make assumptions that scenes are mutually romantic, but that's up to individual interpretation.
Also, instead of bitching and moaning about how unfair it is, and making a dozen excuses, put your money where your mouth is.
How about instead of being an ass, you realize that you are basically getting people to link the same redundant material that has been redundantly gone over the past 290+ pages.
Go with what you feel is the 2 most romantic scene, thats all I'm asking. There will always be naysayers but, make it something convincing enough that the complaints are shallow and grasping at straws.
Also, instead of bitching and moaning about how unfair it is, and making a dozen excuses, put your money where your mouth is.
Go through the last 300 pages and maybe you'll have a slight idea what it's about.
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6326/lpsmileyqb8.gif
HayashiTakara
2008-07-15, 18:36
All I get is (over exaggerated of course) "Ichigo farted; He's thinking about Rukia <3"
Theres just so much added connotation into whats going on, that only a fan would agree with.
Its basically driving me up the wall. In the beginning of bleach, I didn't ship anything, so I didn't try to attach hidden meanings behind anything thats going on. I automatically assumed that Ichigo and Rukia, simply because they were the two mains at the time. And at the end of S.S. nothing, zero, nada. So I thought to myself, "heh, I guess Bleach is your stereotypical action shonen series afterall. Then came the Inoue's arc, it completely changed my perspective, as the only person to actually bring romance to the series. And thus gave birth to my support for Ichihime, where the idea of IchiRukia became as stagnant as dog poop on a sidewalk.
Seriously.... this thread has repeated itself... over and over and over.... and did I say OVER...!?
I mean c'mon!? It's the same thing, the challenge and the debate that has been going on for the past... oooh I dunno.......
300 pages?!
If those arguments aren't enough for you, I don't know what will HT-san...:argue:
http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r435/yuuk1/MarysAnime2.jpg
I know it's not really good because I haven't drawn in years so please be gentle with the comments! Oh and I just wanted to post this since it won't upload to my folder, weird huh?!
I know that it may seem that Ichigo's winking at you, but he's actually winking at me! XD J/K!!
Actually, I wanted to make it look like Yuzu taking the pic of them, and Ichigo happened to see it since his eyes were closed the whole time...!
All I get is (over exaggerated of course) "Ichigo farted; He's thinking about Rukia <3"
Theres just so much added connotation into whats going on, that only a fan would agree with.
Its basically driving me up the wall. In the beginning of bleach, I didn't ship anything, so I didn't try to attach hidden meanings behind anything thats going on. I automatically assumed that Ichigo and Rukia, simply because they were the two mains at the time. And at the end of S.S. nothing, zero, nada. So I thought to myself, "heh, I guess Bleach is your stereotypical action shonen series afterall. Then came the Inoue's arc, it completely changed my perspective, as the only person to actually bring romance to the series. And thus gave birth to my support for Ichihime, where the idea of IchiRukia became as stagnant as dog poop on a sidewalk.
Your view of things.
There are however ALOT of people who consequently view the IchiHime relationship as non-romantic and one-sided.
The whole point of people responding to what you have been saying is to point out that no one person is going to have the same views on the relationships in Bleach. Posting a challenge that would require us to post one more time the same material that has been posted from the beginning of the thread is just ridiculous. This stuff has been debated and debated on every forum till people's eyes have bled.
All I get is (over exaggerated of course) "Ichigo farted; He's thinking about Rukia <3"
Theres just so much added connotation into whats going on, that only a fan would agree with.
Its basically driving me up the wall. In the beginning of bleach, I didn't ship anything, so I didn't try to attach hidden meanings behind anything thats going on. I automatically assumed that Ichigo and Rukia, simply because they were the two mains at the time. And at the end of S.S. nothing, zero, nada. So I thought to myself, "heh, I guess Bleach is your stereotypical action shonen series afterall. Then came the Inoue's arc, it completely changed my perspective, as the only person to actually bring romance to the series. And thus gave birth to my support for Ichihime, where the idea of IchiRukia became as stagnant as dog poop on a sidewalk.
Then stay away from the thread. Stop whinging about it, your opinion does not reflect everyone else's, no one is gonna crucify you for seeing nothing but IchiOri but if you're just gonna troll here, then do it right without sounding like a lame fanatical idiot.
>.>
going a bit personal.....? Much...?
<.<
(-____-ll) I have absolutely no comment. But this: a total lack of maturity, no offense.
Lol, you should be saying that yourself and the dozens of IchiRukia fanatics that have posted here.
Fanatics? That's a relative term. You are being fanatical in trying to deny IchiRuki, so we are responding likewise to counter IchiOri arguments. It's typical debating strategy.
And whining, please, I just complained once, and you make it sound like I've been doing it forever. Maybe you should check yourself before sounding like a demanding dipshit.
Sorry, I lol'd at this statement. You are demanding people take up your challenge and when people point out the stupidity of posting the same material over and over again, you call them chickens and say they're making excuses.
So, who's the demanding dipshit?
O.M.G
I was.... right....!?
Biggest achievement so far!!!! >>>>>in this thread anyway!<<<<<<<
I mean c'mon!? It's the same thing, the challenge and the debate that has been going on for the past... oooh I dunno.......
300 pages?!
No really, some people just mystify me. It's like they're so wrapped up in their cloud of "I'M RIGHT URE WRONG U DUN HAVE PROOOOFZ NYAH NYAH" that they can't see how much fail it is. :eyespin: But that's shipping war for ya.
No really, some people just mystify me. It's like they're so wrapped up in their cloud of "I'M RIGHT URE WRONG U DUN HAVE PROOOOFZ NYAH NYAH" that they can't see how much fail it is. :eyespin: But that's shipping war for ya.
I know... somehow I kinda regret ever joining the forum but at the same time I'm so entertained by the way people react to each post...! Fan girls/boys really are amazing when they're mocked!!! XD
And btw, what do you guys think with my fanart..?!
I ask for people to post what they felt to be the two most romantic scenes between their favorite pairing, and all that I get is "wah wah wah, people won't see it the way I see it, wah wah wah, its no fair, wah wah wah" It wasn't about to see which scenes are better, it was asking about what you thought was most romantic. You shouldn't care about what anyone else think, it was just to show what you thought was romantic. Is it such a daunting task that you have to complain about it?
You don't seem to get it. I understand what you want people to do, really I do. However, there isn't a point to it. The only thing that is going to happen is you or someone else is going to post a picture of their pairing (IchiRuki/Hime) and the only thing that's going to happen is a few people going "Yeah I agree, it's so romantic" and others going "LOLWUT DATS NOT LUV LOLZ". It's pointless.
Also, don't tell someone they're complaining when you are doing the same thing. It's pure hypocrisy.
HayashiTakara
2008-07-15, 19:03
So... its completely pointless to just sit back and enjoy our favorite Ichihime / IchiRukia scenes? I guess people aren't happy unless they are slitting each others throats over things... -_-;;
That's the point lol.. We can't actually enjoy them because the mindset of most people that frequent this thread is a cross between unusually docile, and then the next moment extremely rude/angry. It's like half the people in this thread are bipolar.
HayashiTakara
2008-07-15, 19:05
Point taken, I won't ever try to make things fun in this thread anymore.
Point taken, I won't ever try to make things fun in this thread anymore.
As of this moment, you are so painfully transparent it's not even funny. But now that the fire's died down, I won't bother to comment on it.
At least you deleted the chicken comment, that's a good move since it'll damage your credibility as you cry victim. :rolleyes:
Point taken, I won't ever try to make things fun in this thread anymore.
...
Well... why don't we just start up a new thread that has nothing to do with pairings...?
So we're all -not everybody- on the same side... or something...?! Cuz I'm real tired of debating and I've only started like a week ago! Incomparable to the time you guys spent on this thread.:heh:
Let's discuss the awesomeness of Pedobear or something.
*Goes off to the 'Thread Request' thread*
CMHerrera
2008-07-15, 19:35
It seems that everyone has someone they like to go together. It always one big fight on
that kind of topic in some animes if you think about it
Nervous Venus
2008-07-15, 20:01
All I get is (over exaggerated of course) "Ichigo farted; He's thinking about Orihime <3"
CFGJ.
Anyway, if throughout 200 + pages, with people from this side of the fandom giving awesome arguments w/ a gazillion actual manga pages for reference is "over-exaggerated", then you have learned nothing.
Its basically driving me up the wall. In the beginning of bleach, I didn't ship anything, so I didn't try to attach hidden meanings behind anything thats going on. I automatically assumed that it was going to be Ichigo and Orihime, simply because she liked him a lot and I liked her more than I liked Rukia. But at the end of S.S. nothing, zero, nada. So I thought to myself, "Heh, I guess Bleach is your stereotypical, action shonen series afterall." Then came Inoue's arc, and it completely changed my perspective, as she is the only other person out of a bunch of others to actually bring in one-sided romance to the series. And thus gave birth to my support for IchiRuki, where the idea of IchiHime became as stagnant as dog poop on a sidewalk.
Those are my thoughts also, with a few minor corrections and some quick-fix spell-checking :)
Point taken, I won't ever try to make things fun in this thread anymore.
Oh HT...
I almost feel sorry for you. This thread is just not feeling your love anymore. Maybe you should take a break?
I almost feel like I should give you a hug or something...
*hug?*
Endrance
2008-07-15, 21:32
Yeh HayashiTakara you make things so interesting in here i like hearing your opinions and stuff it livens things up to have someone to disagree with:heh:
Hari Michiru
2008-07-15, 23:18
At first, it seems like it is a Ichihime moment...
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/woffiman1/11-1.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/woffiman1/12.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/woffiman1/13.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/woffiman1/14.jpg
Untill Ichigo kindly tells us that he knows Ulquiorra won't let him pass anyway if he doesn't fight Ulquiorra!
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/woffiman1/15.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j272/woffiman1/16.jpg
I'd say neither.
About Ichigo/Rukia:
Ichigo obviously likes Rukia, but I don't think Rukia has any intrest towards Ichigo - she's too busy with her nii-sama to care about other love
affairs. >__> But I really like Rukia. she's special character - unlike matsumoto, orihime and neliel, for example, who only have their big brests
and no personality, Rukia is a CHARACTER. She's not just whining after main character like women usually are. and I don't like Ichigo at all, he
should just drop dead, so naturally I don't think a good character and a boring über strong never-losing main character should end up together.
...and about Ichigo/Orihime
Well Orihime is kinda typical female character, so I guess she'd be fine with Ichi... but somehow I've gained the impression that Ichigo just thinks
of Orihime as a dear friend or something like that. And of course, I love Ulqui/Hime: I really really think they should end up together, so it's
impossible for me to think of Orihime and Ichigo together.
Ah, but Ichigo didn't need to pass to get to Rukia. He needed to leave. Orihime is the only person that requiered Ichigo to pass by Ulquiorra.
Ichigo&Rukia
2008-07-16, 03:17
Jupming in again.Not that somebody answers to my post.
Chapter 270.
Ichigo was heading to save Orihime and what happened?He stopped and turned around.
Damn,Ichigo didn't even ask if Orihime is alright and where she is.
It was very OOC for him to abandon the mission.Why would he do that?If Rukia is as much as Chad is,why didn't Ichigo turn around for him?
Even Ulqiorra is surprised by his behaviour.
First we see an OOC Ichigo and then the typical impulsive guy who still didn't forget about Rukia.
If he was fighting for Orihime,what is the reason of him saying "I'm in a rush".And this "won't let me pass" is not for Orihime,he doesn't know where she is.
Ichigo is angry because Ulqiorra put them in that mess.He brought Orihime and this is the reason everyone got hurt.
"It seems that no matter what I do this guy won't let me pass" Ichigo is aware of the fact even if he tries to go to Rukia,Ulqiorra won't let him do that.He even said he is in a rush I should add and why is he in a rush?
No really, some people just mystify me. It's like they're so wrapped up in their cloud of "I'M RIGHT URE WRONG U DUN HAVE PROOOOFZ NYAH NYAH" that they can't see how much fail it is. But that's shipping war for ya.
What do people expect from ship wars?It's debating,place where people disagree with each other,I don't expect anyone to say the other is right or to admit he was wrong,because you can never convince the other side or force him/her to agree with you.
I agree with you but not completely.:rolleyes:
>__> But I really like Rukia. she's special character - unlike matsumoto, orihime and neliel, for example, who only have their big brests
I disagree very much here.I'm saying this is a huge Rukia fangirl-what the hell has appereance to do with personality?Yes,Rukia is flat-chested and Hime,Nel and Matsumoto aren't,so what,does that make her more or less?
Besides,Orihime,Nel and Matsumoto have deep characters,enough screentime and as much as I love Rukia more than Nel(But still adore Neliel),she is nothing better than her.I like her more,because this is the kind of personality of a manga girl I prefer and because she has more time in the manga than Nel,but still to claim they have no hearts and only boobs is stupid.Blame Kubo for making these three so big-chested because I don't like it,it's unrealistic and ugly.BUT the personality of a character has nothing to do with that.
Kagato3: BWHAAA? I don't get what you're trying to say... Are you sure you read the panels right?
Ulq. wouldn't let Ichigo pass by him so he could go to Rukia. He says it himself.
Ichigo: "It seems that no matter what I do this guy just won't let me pass."
He's not referring to Ulq. not letting him see Orihime, he's talking about Ulq. not letting him to go Rukia. How do I know? Because his words: "I really do apologize but since I'm in such a hurry here" are not referring to Orihime at all. He's still talking about needing to go save Rukia before she dies.
With the exception of Ichigo's momentary tete a tete with Ulq. over Orihime being pegged a traitor, that exchange between he and Ulq has nothing to do with her.
Ichigo was heading to save Orihime and what happened?He stopped and turned around.
Damn,Ichigo didn't even ask if Orihime is alright and where she is.
It was very OOC for him to abandon the mission.Why would he do that?If Rukia is as much as Chad is,why didn't Ichigo turn around for him?
do we really need to go over how he did the same thing in Soul Society w/ Ganju...again?
mods should of left the 'circular arguments' tag on this thread.
Amy corE
2008-07-16, 04:09
Hmmm...what can I say? I claimed the HM-arc as a nakama-arc since it's very beginning. Guess what? Kubo-sensei and I think alike. The latest chapter was a knockdown for everyone who believed that the arc was IchiOri-ish and the IchiRuki bond was dead.
I'm so glad Kubo finally pays attention to Inoue's character. Oh, and Ulquiorra's Orihime is the most interesting to read. I love her interactions with him.
Heh, there is no need to even compare the SS and the HM arc. They are too different. The reasons behind the rescues are different. The drive is different. SS had The Corny Ichigo and a romantic undertone. HM is...ugh. I just want to read the UlquiIchi fight...it is going to be interesting because it will show us more of Shciffer's character. I like him. And, damn, does Kubo enjoy drawing his creepy chars (like Ulqui, Kenpachi or Mayuri). xD
Debbie, dear, I'd like to see Uryuu saving Orihime, too. BUT, we have a nakama-arc right here, I doubt this'll happen. DX Although, I can see him taking Inoue away. The fight, however will be Ichigo's.
Time will show...
Ichigo&Rukia
2008-07-16, 04:13
do we really need to go over how he did the same thing in Soul Society w/ Ganju...again?
mods should of left the 'circular arguments' tag on this thread.
where?since I don't remember :heh:
HaNa-san
2008-07-16, 04:20
do we really need to go over how he did the same thing in Soul Society w/ Ganju...again?
Ichigo didn't sense orihime was in danger, and abandon his mission (rescuing rukia) like what he did in ch 270.. he knew that rukia was still safe (her sentence was suppose to take some time) but he knew nothing about orihime's situation as there's no one there to tell him (like what yorichi did in ss) and yet he still chose to go to rukia.. yeah yeah because she's in more danger, but orihime might be in a worse state, who knows..
And stop talking about silly scenes with ganju and comparing it with this serious one…if you want a fair comparison..choose ichiruki first reunion in ss (the bridge scene) and ichiori reunion in hm where ichigo (the rescuer) was rescued by captive (orihime) :heh:
I'll let someone else do the digging, not doing it at 4am :p
Ichigo didn't sense orihime was in danger, and abandon his mission (rescuing rukia) like what he did in ch 270.. he knew that rukia was still safe (her sentence was suppose to take some time) but he knew nothing about orihime's situation as there's no one there to tell him (like what yorichi did in ss) and yet he still chose to go to rukia.. yeah yeah because she's in more danger, but orihime might be in a worse state, who knows..
And stop talking about silly scenes with ganju and comparing it with this serious one…if you want a fair comparison..choose ichiruki first reunion in ss (the bridge scene) and ichiori reunion in hm where ichigo (the rescuer) was rescued by captive (orihime) :heh:
Even if he knew how much time she had, he still wasted time on a petty dispute, silly scene or not, it happened and Yoruichi had to scold him for it. If I know my friend is going to be executed, I don't care if it's a week away, I'm not gonna waste time and effort on something stupid.
Even though Orihime was being treated "nicely" in HM...doesn't mean she wasn't in any danger, queue the two girls who pretty much abused her till Grimmjow wtfpwnt them. You're in enemy territory, your always at risk of danger, even if the head hancho said "no touchie" there's always those who disobey (they are villains after all...)
Ichigo&Rukia
2008-07-16, 04:24
Ichigo didn't sense orihime was in danger, and abandon his mission (rescuing rukia) like what he did in ch 270.. he knew that rukia was still safe (her sentence was suppose to take some time) but he knew nothing about orihime's situation as there's no one there to tell him (like what yorichi did in ss) and yet he still chose to go to rukia.. yeah yeah because she's in more danger, but orihime might be in a worse state, who knows..
And stop talking about silly scenes with ganju and comparing it with this serious one…if you want a fair comparison..choose ichiruki first reunion in ss (the bridge scene) and ichiori reunion in hm where ichigo (the rescuer) was rescued by captive (orihime) :heh:
Exactly.
Make differences between serious and not serious moments.Because by that logic,Orihie wants every girl in the class to love Ichigo so the girls can win ^_^
HaNa-san
2008-07-16, 04:37
Even if he knew how much time she had, he still wasted time on a petty dispute, silly scene or not, it happened and Yoruichi had to scold him for it. If I know my friend is going to be executed, I don't care if it's a week away, I'm not gonna waste time and effort on something stupid.
even if ichigo cares alot about rukia, it doesn't mean he's complete..
yeah he did a mistake by wasting his energy into a pointless fight just for silly reasons, but yourichi immediately warned him to realize it...he's a teenager after all.. he might have thought, he still had time...
Even though Orihime was being treated "nicely" in HM...doesn't mean she wasn't in any danger, queue the two girls who pretty much abused her till Grimmjow wtfpwnt them. You're in enemy territory, your always at risk of danger, even if the head hancho said "no touchie" there's always those who disobey (they are villains after all...)
Exactly
ichigo didn't know that, did you see him asking ulq, how's orihime, is she being treated well...no..she could have been dead nowand yet he chose to go to rukia..
do you remember when grimmijaw tells ichigo that he is relieved just because he saw orihime is fine by her look, but he actually didn't think to ask about her mental state.. that's why he was shocked...
Ichigo seems to forget a lot of things, considering the amount of fights he's been in just because of his hair color...I'd figure he'd be more street smart when going into someone elses territory and should know that Orihime despite her captivity is always at risk.
ugh, I dunno anymore...I need sleep...
If my memory serves me correctly, the spat with Ganju happened before they entered Seireitei, and consequently was before they moved up Rukia's execution date.
X_Danny_X
2008-07-16, 09:46
It will be very interesting to see the interactions between Orihime and Ichigo after he fights Ul. but i think the next chapters, we are going to see the others fight for a bit.
I have a feeling that Ichigo is going to follow in his father's footsteps...leave SS when everything is fixed or have some new guy take over and marry some earth chick. Could be Orihime or not, that is up to Kubo to decide.
According to the spoilers I've seen from BA, it shows the start of the Ichigo/Ulquiorra fight then switches to KKT.
Hari Michiru
2008-07-16, 10:07
Ah, but Ichigo didn't need to pass to get to Rukia. He needed to leave. Orihime is the only person that requiered Ichigo to pass by Ulquiorra.
*I feel like slapping myself* OMG, read the goddamn pages! Ichigo obvious said that Ulquiorra won't let him leave, so he has to fight him. And Ichigo also states that he is in a hurry.
I thought the funniest thing was IchiHime fans using filler material and anime openings and endings as canon evidence.
There were alot of IchiHime fans screaming CANON! when Ending 15 (Orange) came out, and today the 16th ending is out and it's Ichigo and Rukia alone the whole time with Rukia running to Ichigo and him smiling at her.
If this doesn't show that using filler material and OP/ED videos can't be used as canon evidence I don't know what will.
Ichigo&Rukia
2008-07-16, 10:24
I thought the funniest thing was IchiHime fans using filler material and anime openings and endings as canon evidence.
There were alot of IchiHime fans screaming CANON! when Ending 15 (Orange) came out, and today the 16th ending is out and it's Ichigo and Rukia alone the whole time with Rukia running to Ichigo and him smiling at her.
If this doesn't show that using filler material and OP/ED videos can't be used as canon evidence I don't know what will.
IchiOri fans used it as an evidence but it's not nice to say that to everyone.
Not saying it isn't pathetic,fillers has nothing to do with Kubo because he doesn't approve them(said that in an interview in case people don't believe-but it has been said).He doesn't care and I suppose he just doesn't have time.
But why should I blame them?I agree it is stupid and fans of pairing with not a big chance use something like fillers(they are non-existence material) but after all if they don't go bitching and saying this is the reason a pairing should happen it is fine.They just enjoy their moment,this is what fandom is supposed to do.
That's what IchiRukiers should do.And now,instead of saying oohh IchiRuki is gonna happen because of that ending.we should just enjoy what we have even if it doesn't hold importance.
I can't see a problem with being happy of having some moment(be it filler or not) and I'm personally annoyed when IchiRuki/IchiOri fandom uses arguments like "your pairing is poor because it has only fillers and you use them as evidence".It's a super weak argument to say fillers mean canon BUT no one has the right to tell people what to like and not.
I'm not gonna use the new ending.But why not finding it interesting?(although it sucks by the way..)
The anime team have no clue what they're doing. They can't decide which pairing is supposed to be canon and shift back and forth. Either that or they are trying to make up for the hand holding scene. Which, when I look back, was poorly done. Not so much the actual hand holding but the way he approached Orihime. In the manga everything went 'cold' as he walked towards her and gave her a telling smile but in the anime he flys up and looks retarded.
I agree with MOF, we discussed using filler as evidence a while back and decided it was useless, but it's not a bad thing to enjoy the moments. Also why are you watching filler Notaron? Did you quarantine the room beforehand and wear a hazmat suit?
Ichigo&Rukia
2008-07-16, 10:36
The anime team have no clue what they're doing. They can't decide which pairing is supposed to be canon and shift back and forth. Either that or they are trying to make up for the hand holding scene. Which, when I look back, was poorly done. Not so much the actual hand holding but the way he approached Orihime. In the manga everything went 'cold' as he walked towards her and gave her a telling smile but in the anime he flys up and looks retarded.
I agree with I&R, we discussed using filler as evidence a while back and decided it was useless, but it's not a bad thing to enjoy the moments. Also why are you watching filler Notaron? Did you quarantine the room beforehand and wear a hazmat suit?
Yeah.
And one more thing.
There is IshiOri hands-holding also when Orihime was about to fall in Soul Society.It was nice,heart-warming for a big IshiOrier like me,I did enjoy it,but...claiming it is the reason it will happen(after having enough manga IshiOri touching..)?
Still,I can't blame people who like it.It is their choice.
Yes I did Kakashi.
On the endings and such, everything is fanservice. Although when they do endings that can be used to project potential pairings, they usually dilute the endings with other characters. This is one of the first (if not THE first) where a potential couple have had the entire ending to themselves.
Well, lets just hope that people don't react like this if their OTP doesn't happen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-uTnqYHZ-I&feature=related
LMAO, that guy made me laugh.
Ichigo&Rukia
2008-07-16, 10:50
Well, lets just hope that people don't react like this if their OTP doesn't happen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-uTnqYHZ-I&feature=related
:heh::heh::heh:
My OTP is impossible.I guess I will cling on IchiRuki and IshiOri..
HaNa-san
2008-07-16, 10:57
Kakashi XXXXXXXXXD lol what's that hahahha I can't see myself talking like that to you or some ichiori fans XXD :heh:
I always thought that anime team are ichiruki shippers since ep 1… the hand holding scene it did bother me, but it didn't show to me at least that anime team have shifted role..however it's amazing to see an ending with only ichiruki on it o_o I like how the anime team can capture that rukia has a feeling for ichigo unlike some who try to claim there's nothing..and lyrics are so mushy and fitting with the scenes :smile:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-1Pl59gJYY for the new ending :love:
Nervous Venus
2008-07-16, 11:12
Ichigo seems to forget a lot of things, considering the amount of fights he's been in just because of his hair color...I'd figure he'd be more street smart when going into someone elses territory and should know that Orihime despite her captivity is always at risk.
ugh, I dunno anymore...I need sleep...
Trizzy, I don't think he really "forgets" anything completely. He just can't bite more than he can chew.
In 286, after finishing his fight with Grimmjow, picking up Hime and throwing her over his shoulder, he explains that it's faster to just carry her down (Poor Hime, he's such a dunce), because he has to go help Chad and Rukia.
And yes, it's all got to do with his "hair color"!!! which - by some imaginary shonen/shoujo law - makes him more hot-headed, which is why he doesn't back down from a fight and can only think of one thing at a time.
It's all in the "bleach". :D
HaNa-san
2008-07-16, 11:17
My God. Has there ever been a more canon ending. Rukia looked very sullen though. Her face looks totally blank when she's running to Ichigo. I guess that's our consolation. The IchiRuki fan club must be extatic.
I think it advertises movie 3 maybe coz it's rukia centered ..who knows..I'm so happy about it though as a fan :p yeah rukia looks so sad..but her expression when she runs to him was more of a wonder look than empty thingy..but it's just a filler, no use discussing it seriously XD
Nervous Venus
2008-07-16, 11:27
I just take those sort of comments from him as subjective.
Like this one :
In the manga everything went 'cold' as he walked towards her and gave her a telling smile but in the anime he flys up and looks retarded.
Everyone has their differing opinions on things, I guess. I prefer to attach " I think" or " I guess" or "imo", while some others prefer to state it as fact.
To each his own :D
SUKISUKILOL
2008-07-16, 11:35
kakashi xxxxxxxxxd Lol What's That Hahahha I Can't See Myself Talking Like That To You Or Some Ichiori Fans Xxd :heh:
I Always Thought That Anime Team Are Ichiruki Shippers Since Ep 1… The Hand Holding Scene It Did Bother Me, But It Didn't Show To Me At Least That Anime Team Have Shifted Role..however It's Amazing To See An Ending With Only Ichiruki On It O_o I Like How The Anime Team Can Capture That Rukia Has A Feeling For Ichigo Unlike Some Who Try To Claim There's Nothing..and Lyrics Are So Mushy And Fitting With The Scenes :smile:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-1pl59gjyy For The New Ending :love:
Omg I Loved It
HayashiTakara
2008-07-16, 11:41
The animators are seriously catering to the fans, I think they actually enjoy watching fans duke it out :heh:. The constant jumping of IchiRukia and Ichihime, openings and endings is enough to drive anyone confused beyond belief. I guess it just shows how ambiguous Kubo has been when it comes to what sort of pairing it'll end up with. but I wouldn't be surprise if it ends with zero resolution for anyone.
I just take those sort of comments from him as subjective.
Like this one :
Everyone has their differing opinions on things, I guess. I prefer to attach " I think" or " I guess" or "imo", while some others prefer to state it as fact.
To each his own :D
To a certain degree, it is subjective. But you can see the crisp background, how Nell is cut out of the drawing and it's only them two.
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm305/stefanlekovic/ICHHIME.jpg?t=1216226175
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm305/stefanlekovic/ICHIHIME.jpg?t=1216226215
As you can see, it was just a nicer moment in the manga. For IchiOri fans at least. Do take most of my comments as subjective unless I say otherwise.
asam_laksa
2008-07-16, 11:47
I'm sorry for a late reply, few reasons, but mainly I was not up to it; busy waiting for spoilers in Japanese, just because I felt it's better to play safe, wait for the spoilers and then......ATTACK:D
I think it's up to the individual to judge context. What she said, sounded like she was referring to how she felt for Ichigo, and though she couldn't make him like her, she could still keep him and her nakama in her heart.
I think I already stated here.....
By the way, Notoron....since you have not make any attempt to reply back my post, I think the sentence that you have to hear from Orihime, if she ever realizes that her love is one-sided, despite her numerous attempts is 'It's hard to make someone feel the same way like you'.....not, 'It's impossible to feel the same for someone' as it's written in the manga.
To MAKE HIM LIKE HER. There's none in the manga.
But if you want to reconfirm again whether it's a mistranslation.....
相手と全く同じことを感じるなんてありえないかもしれない
だけど
相手を大切に想い合って、相手を少し近くに、心を置くことはできる
The key word is 感じる, it's to feelget the feeling from that person.....not make that person feel the same like how you would feel for that person.
I wasn't implying that this was actually going to happen, but that it would make for some interesting debate in shipping circles.
What are the probabilities of Ishida running through, interfering IchigoxUlquiorra's fight and save Orihime himself?
Remember.....
Kubo Tite had drawn only Ichigo twice going towards Aizen's tower to rescue Orihime, once before 'Turn Back The Pendulum' and after 'Turn Back The Pendulum'. And Kubo Tite made Renji, Chad and Rukia appearing to tackle the Exequies for Ichigo, leaving Ichigo to handle Ulquiorra for Orihime.
Kubo Tite could draw a panel of Ishida watching the others fighting Exsequies as Ichigo leaves but he did not.
I'm all for wishing, and hoping and dreaming.....
It could be that she is conflicted on how she really feels. It could be that she doesn't want to tell him until things have quieted down, or that should one of them die, then the confession would just bring more pain. She denies her feelings, just like she did when she left to run away before she was taken back to SS. She called them all troublesome and tried to lock them away, but she obviously didn't. Noone knows, but I don't think their relationship is that of mere friends/nakama.
If you're talking about quiet moments, chapter 181 'when the rain had left' was the best time for anything from, 'blushing/yearning/awkward moments/refusing to see each other, eye-to-eye'. In case you don't know, that was the chapter where Aizen-taichi left and peace and order returned back to Soul Society, end of SS arc.
As for the running away before taken back to SS, why wasn't there at least an act similar to Orihime's, before she ran off to Huenco Mundo, perhaps a heart-felt warmth confession to him as he sleeps/pees, or maybe in a letter......instead, she wrote a cryptic message to tell him to hide himself. Note, I bolded the word 'cryptic' message letter to him, as it only re-emphasize the fact that she wasn't really into anything else, except the fact that he could be killed, because of her.
Asam, I'm going to butt into your conversation.
Maybe because this is shonen, and there probably won't be a confession from either one? While Ichigo and Rukia obviously have a unique, strong bond that nothing will probably ever break, they're not the kind of people who are going to confess out of the blue. Ichigo likes to hide his feelings and pretend to be an ass, and Rukia's...Rukia. When should she have confessed? Right when they got to HM and immediately separated?
Who's to say he'd reject her? Maybe he harbors a deep, secret love for Orihime that Kubo didn't feel like writing into his character. The thing is, I haven't seen anything from Ichigo that would make me think he cares for her as more than a friend. Noticing her shield was nice--it could be a turning point, but their relationship would have to be developed more for it to be believable. I have yet to see Ichigo form a bond with Orihime on the level of the one he shares with Rukia, I have yet to see them convey the mutual understanding he and Rukia have, I have yet to see him look at her in the anguished, concerned way he looked at Rukia in 213. I'm not saying any of those things = love, but when the best Kubo can do for the two of them is Ichigo noticing her shield for a second and Orihime lacking confidence in him (even if it was only for a while), IchiHime feels like a stretch.
Again, who's to say she doesn't have those feelings? They haven't been developed as obviously as Hime's, but they could still be there. Though I think both pairings are on equal footing, there are more romantic implications where Ichigo and Rukia are concerned. Orihime's intense, five-lifetime love for Kurosaki-kun is, so far, completely one-sided. Only when he holds her hand and says he'll love her for five lifetimes too (or simply reciprocates her feelings) will I consider the IchiRuki pairing dead. Rukia's big flashback of Ichigo, the eye-locking in the last chapter, all the looks they've shared and everything else they have is enough to make me think she possibly maybe has deeper feelings for him. But she's not the gentle, warm fuzzy lovey-dovey person Orihime is. A confession of that calibur is probably out of the question for her. Just because she hasn't confessed doesn't mean she just thinks of Ichigo as a partner/friend. Take everything she and Ichigo have as you will--see it as romantic, don't, whatever. But I think it's still more than Ichigo and Orihime have.
And why is there a confession from Orihime? It's kinda shoujo for a manga that is meant to be a shounen. Kubo Tite could have made her appear in front of her friendS(Ichigo/Rukia) and then disappear, without any confession to Ichigo only.....nobody who is not arrancar is going to see her, once she wears the bracelet. Instead, we have Rukia leaving Ichigo alone for that Orihime's one love, five lifetime speech.
As for the bolded one, like I said to you before, it's really up to a person whether he wants to see IchiKiai/IchiHime/AiOri.....or don't want to see. Not to say whether he had/not seen IchiKiai/IchiHime/AiOri. The measuring stick that you had given to the IchiHime coupling is different from what you had already accepted for IchiKiai. My reasons for believing that AiOri could happen, couldnn't be used for believing that IchiHime could happen.
One more thing,....it's up to you whether to accept it / not, my theory that Kubo Tite isn't exactly the type who actually bother about storyline/character developement/whether it actually made sense or not.
If you think that is bad enough.....I don't know how you would call this 'Ichigo changing to bankai and then speed off, flying in bankai speed, only to be beaten by his friends who AREN'T EVEN IN BANKAI SPEED!!!:frustrated:(at least I know Rukia isn't).
Yes, Kubo Tite is a shallow man when he wants to be. It's time for you to accept that.
Okay, I was re-reading the chapter again 'cause it's made of awesome and I noticed something about the Exequias leader's name, Rudobon. At first I was looking for architects and designers with that name or something like it when it hit me that Rudobon has "OBON" in there. I thought it was just a coincidence 'cause after all Ichigo's birthday is the end of Obon holiday. Then I checked my handy dandy Wiki Obon site and found the following:
Quote:
Obon (お盆, Obon?) or just Bon (盆, Bon?) is a Japanese Buddhist custom to honor the departed (deceased) spirits of one's ancestors. This Buddhist custom has evolved into a family reunion holiday during which people return to ancestral family places and visit and clean their ancestors' graves, and when the spirits of ancestors are supposed to revisit the household altars. Also called the Feast of Lanterns, it has been celebrated in Japan for more than 500 years and traditionally includes a dance, known as Bon-Odori.
Mix up a few letters of Bon-Odori and reverse the order and we get Riodobon or Rudobon. Rukia is the one facing the exequias whose name happens to be an Obon dance. So it's fitting that Rukia is the one who mentions reunions because the chapter is about reunions among friends. That's what Obon is about, reunions. Also, Rukia telling Ichigo to go save Orihime is symbolic of her lighting a lantern to guide Ichigo to Orihime. It's no wonder she's holding a lantern in the SJ cover.
Orihime's speech also is very Obon because of her self-reflection of why she came to HM and and appreciating that what her friends did for her is what she would do for any of them. I was searching an Obon site and found this:
http://www.bcsfweb.org/Obon3.html
Quote:
Though a memorial observance, there is a festive mood during Obon. Obon is a time to remember and honor all those who have passed on before us. It is a time to appreciate all that they have done for us and to recognize the continuation of the influence of their deeds upon our lives. Obon is also a time of self-reflection; the joy one feels is not from the happiness of getting what you desire, but the joy of being shown the truth -- the joy of awareness.
Isn't that Orihime's speech in a nutshell? So the chapter is almost like a celebration of Obon. With a touch of Tanabata 'cause after all, Ichigo was seen most of the chapter racing towards Orihime and in the end, finally got there...however the boatman Ulquiorra Schiffer is in the way. Go Ichigo, get rid of the boatman so you can be reunited with Orihime!!!
Ever asked yourself, why was there a special SJump Bleach cover picture with Ichigo, Rukia and Renji(all shinigamis) and no Orihime there, last week.....with the phrases ' Spirits sparkle, and lighten tomorrow, Fireworks glow!'
That's because it was meant for Obon celebration that time.
Now that the 'reunion' had done.....it's straight to Karakura Town fight with the other shinigamis.
Ichigo&Rukia
2008-07-16, 11:49
To a certain degree, it is subjective. But you can see the crisp background, how Nell is cut out of the drawing and it's only them two.
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm305/stefanlekovic/ICHHIME.jpg?t=1216226175
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm305/stefanlekovic/ICHIHIME.jpg?t=1216226215
As you can see, it was just a nicer moment in the manga. For IchiOri fans at least. Do take most of my comments as subjective unless I say otherwise.
I disagree here.
Ichigo and Rukia has always been alone and never interupted.Intimacy is very important when it comes to pairings.
The IchiOri reunion in Hueco Mundo failed too badly in my eyes.Being interupted by Grimmjow and Nel runied every chance for romantic moment or at least some interesting interaction.
While the bridge scene,Byakuya,Ukitake,Hanatarou-they all waited.
And why is there a confession from Orihime? It's kinda shoujo for a manga that is meant to be a shounen. Kubo Tite could have made her appear in front of her friendS(Ichigo/Rukia) and then disappear, without any confession to Ichigo only.....nobody who is not arrancar is going to see her, once she wears the bracelet. Instead, we have Rukia leaving Ichigo alone for that Orihime's one love, five lifetime speech
Omg.
We have Orihime breaking into his room trying to steal a kiss and Rukia already being comfortable,accepted by his sisters,calling Ichigo by his first name in front of his family and taking care of him,while it's the first time Orihime is there.(his room)
Nervous Venus
2008-07-16, 11:49
To a certain degree, it is subjective. But you can see the crisp background, how Nell is cut out of the drawing and it's only them two.
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm305/stefanlekovic/ICHHIME.jpg?t=1216226175
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm305/stefanlekovic/ICHIHIME.jpg?t=1216226215
As you can see, it was just a nicer moment in the manga. For IchiOri fans at least. Do take most of my comments as subjective unless I say otherwise.
I understand. I wasn't deny that the scene was an IchiOri moment. I'm saying that it's pretty much subjective, just like our feelings on op/ed + fillers are. I didn't feel like everything went cold. I thought that scene was pretty warm and fuzzy. Unless you mean the panel with the wind blowing between a lone Ichigo and Orihime, and by cold you mean" your heart stopped for a split second", then yes, I can agree.
I shall continue to take certain comments of yours as subjective unless you say otherwise.
HayashiTakara
2008-07-16, 11:49
To a certain degree, it is subjective. But you can see the crisp background, how Nell is cut out of the drawing and it's only them two.
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm305/stefanlekovic/ICHHIME.jpg?t=1216226175
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm305/stefanlekovic/ICHIHIME.jpg?t=1216226215
As you can see, it was just a nicer moment in the manga. For IchiOri fans at least. Do take most of my comments as subjective unless I say otherwise.
I think it might've been a matter of budget, IIRC the Grimm fight had two weeks, and the quality was shown. But the episode following, you can notice the dip in quality. It was obviously rushed. But, anime only people were more than likely not bothered by it though.
I'm just gonna take a little break from the shipping war. Kinda happy about the new ending, and I know it's just a filler... BUT STILL!!!
Let me enjoy and squeal like crazed fan-girl for now! Plus the look on Ichigo's face is yet again, priceless! To me....! ^_^
The new anime ending from 180.
It's Ichigo and Rukia centric.
X_Danny_X
2008-07-16, 13:38
The new anime ending from 180.
It's Ichigo and Rukia centric.
strange music, your talking about ending 16. it is centric to them, like she hasnt seen him for a long time and starts running. makes no sense.
It might be some sort of precursor to the movie or something. Who knows?
It is nothing to get super shippy over (unless you're an IchiRuki fan of course), because really it's just fanservice.
mods should of left the 'circular arguments' tag on this thread.
LOL It pleases me greatly to see that, as that tag was my happy contribution :p
As someone who has participated in this discussion from its beginning pages, I can easily say that this whole thread is an experiment of exhausted, circular arguments... doesn't stop me from coming back and reading most of the posts though, it's still entertaining.
I don't personally care for the new ending, I don't like the song and the animation is mediocre. I don't watch the anime anymore but I'll happily enjoy it for what it is, fanservice :D just like the upcoming Rukia-centric movie~
bleacher
2008-07-16, 16:27
For those IchigoxTatsuki fans, it's not gonna happen. Tatsuki's too much of a minor character, and even if she became important now, it would never satisfy the fans to see the hero paired with someone so unimportant.
As for Ichigo and Orihime, they aren't equals. They're too different. She's not gonna be able to handle all his problems and moodswings and stuff, and he can't return that utter devotion she has for him.
I actually can't see Ichigo getting all mushy with anyone, really. I can see something happening with Rukia, because they're the central characters, but seeing how the writer hasn't cared too much about romance so far, I doubt he's going to concentrate on it now. The most I can imagine is the two of them together in the end, with only a hint of what will happen in the future.
I doubt Rukia and Renji will be together in the end - they're childhood friends, but their relationship hasn't progressed any further in all the years since. I don't think either of them care about each other in that kind of way at all.
Maybe Ishida and Orihime? In the Soul Society time, he seemed really nice to her, and she seemed to admire him a lot. She kept marveling about his incredible strength and everything. While it's clear she still loves Ichigo, there's hope for the future. :)
There's also a chance that Orihime and Ulquiorra will pair off. I know it's a stretch, but out of all the guys on Aizen's side, he is the nicest to her. He thinks she's very strong and brave. He treats her with respect, treats her civil when she's his prisoner. Sure, he can be a little horrible sometimes, but in one scene, when she slapped him for being a jerk, he just let it go and left. Any other person would have punished her for her actions. So that's an option.
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Fifth, since this is a primarily action manga/anime meant for the action people, everything else must have a meaning for the storyline. So Orihime's love confession will play an important role for ichigo's character development and rejecting her seems unlikely for me. Because she has an unique powerfull power. Rejecting her would mean that Kubo will have to put time and energy in the changing relationship with ichigo, Orihime and their friends. Instead of thinking major important things like Kenpachi's bankai:D and Yachiru's of course:D
That's why I feel that things will go back to where they were before, with Orihime getting stronger and waiting to tell ichigo that she loves him.
Couple of things that need to be addressed. (IMO of course) I hope you don't mind.
Not true, just because this is an action manga doesn't mean every other introduced element is meaningful to the storyline. Elements important to character development is not necessarily a key part of the plot. Ishida's battle with Mayuri had nothing to do with the plot. It was all about individual character development. Ichigo and renji's relationship. Chad's individual So far its been the same with inoue. This HM has had very little to do with the actual plot its been more about the inoue, ichigo and rukia individual character development. This one of the primary reason why most people have frustrated with this arc.
Next flaw, Kubo hasn't gone through trouble to change Ichigo and inoue's relationship. They were friends before the arc. They are friends now. Nothing has changed. He acts and treats exactly the same as he did before.
I do agree with you in the fact that things will go back to the way they were, but I don't think that inoue will confess or try to further her relationship with Ichigo. (Unless of course somthing dramatic happens in his fight with Ulq; which is possible I suppose.)
Six, if Kubo wants ichigo to end with rukia, what is he waiting for! He could have done it already and have kept the romance to a minimal. Like holding hands or a hug after ichigo fight someone. You could say that he did it so Orihime could first get stronger and then "forget" about him and fall in love with someone else (as long as it isn't ishida).
The exact same question could be said about inoue and Ichigo's relationship. its not a question we can answer with any degree of certainty. I can give you an answer if you like (besides the fact that structurally it wouldn't make any sense) that I think is pretty pausable but its all speculation. I would say that the reason that ichigo and rukia haven't gotten together is simple. Built up. Ichigo and Rukia's relationship is a very important aspect of bleach. Its the foundation. There have been small interactions for 7 years coming to a head. Relationship progression is about the built up and then the moment of execution when feelings come to a head. Ichigo and Rukia have a massive amount of built up. Could be the answer? I think so. Do we really know? Of course not.
But that seems like "bad" writing to me, first having Orihime say that she will always love ichigo in five lifetimes and then later having Orihime falling in love with someone else or dumping Orihime in the backround again with ishida and chad.
And I don't believe that ichigo and rukia didn't have time to say their love, if Kubo wanted he would have made the time. If it was important to Kubo, he would have done it.
Kubo has made the relationship important; he has given it plenty of development outside the plot making important . Thats the key different between Ichigo/rukia and Ichigo/inoue. YOu say that Ichigo and Rukia would be together if they were meant to be; here is the problem with that statement. Its not your time line. Kubo is still developing their relationship. Saying its not going to happen because you lack paience isn't a valid argument on any level. I also don't think that Inoue will turn around and fall in love with Ishida or chad, but that doesn't mean she has to be or is likely to end up with Ichigo. There isn't any indication whatsoever that Inoue's one side feelings will come to some sort of fruition. None. The running theme of this arc hasn't been love. Its been friendship.
Nervous Venus
2008-07-16, 17:59
As for Ichigo and Orihime, they aren't equals. They're too different. She's not gonna be able to handle all his problems and moodswings and stuff, and he can't return that utter devotion she has for him.
The problem lies with the fact that Ichigo and Orihime have not been in a situation where she was required to handle his problems or moodswings, so we don't know for sure. So far, we've only had Ichigo baring those ugly, raw emotions in front of Rukia, like in ch 18 [Can't Smile Don't Blame], whereas so far Orihime only gets to hear things second-hand (like from Tatsuki). Basically, Kubo has developed Orihime's character, but hasn't done much to develop their relationship into anything more personal - YET. He still treats her like he's always done before.
Once we get more scenes where Ichigo bares his more raw emotions (anger, frustration) in front of/toward Orihime (like when Ulqui confronted him), I'll have more to hold on to support the pairing, instead of seeing it as one-sided.
X_Danny_X
2008-07-16, 19:07
you guys should wait until the Orihime arc is over, Orihime is being developed to a strong central character, so far is all about mental but her powers are going to be used i think to defeat the enemy, i wouldnt be surprise if she lands Ichigo a helping hand in his fights.
If you want to be brutally honest, I don't think Ichigo is going to have anyone helping him in his fights. Sure, there will be people egging him on or giving him encouragement, but I really don't think the shounen hero is going to have someone's help in beating Aizen.
Then again, I've been surprised before.
The new Bleach ED is beautiful!
I don't follow Bleach's terminology much, but what was the name of the life strings that Ichigo can sense in each of his nakama? It was particularly moving when those separated life strings behind Ichigo and Rukia's hands join together in the first hand reach scene, and then coil around them in the second. What was it called?
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imo, I think "Inoue's arc" is about over. The character development with her is done(almost) and well, the plot is now ensuing...! Bleach is now going to focus on the Winter War. Though I'd really love to see UlquiIchi fight, and where the hell is Ishida?!
The new Bleach ED is beautiful!
I don't follow Bleach's terminology much, but what was the name of the life strings that Ichigo can sense in each of his nakama? It was particularly moving when those separated life strings behind Ichigo and Rukia's hands join together in the first hand reach scene, and then coil around them in the second. What was it called?
Red string of fate..? I think..? And O.M.G!!!!! THE BEST ENDING(so far;))!!!
Now I'm not gonna scream, CANON OMFG!!! Like some people :rolleyes: but it was definitely worth squealing for, not to mention Ichigo's face when Rukia (with her face showing longing/searching) was running ---to hug him...!:love: was pure WIN! :bow:
I mean priceless...! heheh....!
Red string of fate..? I think..? And O.M.G!!!!! THE BEST ENDING(so far;))!!!
No, it was that spirit line thing... the one where Ichigo can sense the lifeforce of his nakama, where he instantly can tell if their lifeforce is snuffed out or not.
(Unless I'm imagining things and there's no such thing in Bleach. :twitch: )
Now I'm not gonna scream, CANON OMFG!!!
You don't have to scream canon to appreciate a pairing. ;) The ED is simply lovely!
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You lost me with the spirit line thing...
Unless you're talking about the method he used to find Chad's location earlier in the series....?
Other than that, I have no clue what else...? Oh and the Shinigami's -thing- is red.
I don't think it was anything to do with nakama, because you would think if that were the case then certainly the others would have been there, especially Inoue, since her speech last chapter about her heart being with her nakama.
Also, the threads we saw in the episode where he found Chad were white, not glowy like in the ED.
It could be the red thread of fate, they just added a glowy effect to make the animation look better.
blue skies
2008-07-16, 19:41
And why is there a confession from Orihime? It's kinda shoujo for a manga that is meant to be a shounen.
There's a confession because she loves him, one love, five lifetimes, forever and ever. It was a little shojo, but it's not like her intense love is the focal point of the entire story. It's crucial to her character, and I'm hoping Kubo plans to do something with it--whether Ichigo reciprocates her feelings, she gets over him, or actually does get rejected. She needs some sort of resolution, imo. But maybe he'll just let it die, and she'll keep loving him forever and nothing will ever happen.
As for the bolded one,
Which bolded one?
The measuring stick that you had given to the IchiHime coupling is different from what you had already accepted for IchiKiai.
How so? I may be biased toward IchiRuki (not sure what IchiKiai is, but I assure you, I do not ship it :)), but I can still see the significance of Ichigo and Orihime's interactions. They've had a few meaningful looks and smilies, and it was nice to see Ichigo notice what she can do for the first time. My measuring stick happens to be the same for each pairing, darling. Each is as likely as the other, imo. The problem for me is the bond Ichigo and Rukia share, the mutual understanding and meaningful looks, and the fact that Orihime sees it and is jealous. Though Ichigo could go for either girl the way I see it, I find it more believable that he would hook up with Rukia if he goes for either one at all. And that's a big if, asam. :)
My reasons for believing that AiOri could happen, couldnn't be used for believing that IchiHime could happen.
I certainly hope not.
One more thing,....it's up to you whether to accept it / not, my theory that Kubo Tite isn't exactly the type who actually bother about storyline/character developement/whether it actually made sense or not.
You mean Kubo's not the type of guy to develop a character or move on a storyline in a believable way? I beg to differ. Even though I'm not a huge fan of the HM arc and I've read (much) better than Bleach, he's done a good job of developing his characters and story decently. Orihime's going to have some major development soon, if the last chapter is any indication. At least, she'd better.
Ever asked yourself, why was there a special SJump Bleach cover picture with Ichigo, Rukia and Renji(all shinigamis) and no Orihime there, last week.....with the phrases ' Spirits sparkle, and lighten tomorrow, Fireworks glow!'
Can't say that I have.
That's because it was meant for Obon celebration that time.
Thanks for setting me straight on that. :)
yuuk1 and notaron : This is what happens when you ignore Bleach's terminology. :heh: :heh:
But alright, strings of fate isn't too bad either, albeit a bit cheesy, but that's a small thing, it's rather beautiful how they joined up and coiled around their hands. Mmm.
X_Danny_X
2008-07-16, 19:43
If you want to be brutally honest, I don't think Ichigo is going to have anyone helping him in his fights. Sure, there will be people egging him on or giving him encouragement, but I really don't think the shounen hero is going to have someone's help in beating Aizen.
Then again, I've been surprised before.
I think the old man is going to be defeating Aizen, Aizen is so far above the rest is not even funny, it will be too much of a power boost to be given to Ichigo at this time. I think Ichigo is going to defeat Ul and I am predicting that he will defeat the number 1 espada.
Where does Orihime fits into all of this, well she can be shown showing a little more guts and displaying her power, getting seriously hurt but growing more, shounen style! :mad: that is the only IchiOri moment i can think off besides Ichigo being happy that she is safe. They could probably hug, lol :heh:
I don't think Yama is going to defeat Aizen at all. That really doesn't make sense.
Why would they give someone who is strong, yes, the killing blow on the ultimate villain?
That goes against everything the manga has been building up. I think Ichigo will defeat Ulquiorra, and probably gain some powerup through conversing/fighting with Shirosaki.
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may be we should take this to the 318 Chapter Discussion thread...? >.<
X_Danny_X
2008-07-16, 20:06
I don't think Yama is going to defeat Aizen at all. That really doesn't make sense.
Why would they give someone who is strong, yes, the killing blow on the ultimate villain?
That goes against everything the manga has been building up. I think Ichigo will defeat Ulquiorra, and probably gain some powerup through conversing/fighting with Shirosaki.
Shirosaki? you mean his inner hollow? that is unlikely since he already defeated him and we havent seen anything from him since.
Defeating the Number 1 espada has to mean something. I dont see any other captain defeating that guy.
Aizen I think will split if the odds are against him just like the ending of SS arc, and will come back after Ichigo is more improved.
anyway, yep this is nothing about Orihime/Ichigo, I will wait for the moment until the arc is over. I will see what Kubo will do since this is the only pairing that has any chance of happening.
The new Bleach ED is beautiful!
I don't follow Bleach's terminology much, but what was the name of the life strings that Ichigo can sense in each of his nakama? It was particularly moving when those separated life strings behind Ichigo and Rukia's hands join together in the first hand reach scene, and then coil around them in the second. What was it called?
Reiraku, they're spiritual threads :) the scene where Ichigo does it is in Volume 2
The red string of fate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_string_of_fate)is something else, though it wouldn't be absurd to think that the animators were referencing it when they made the first ED with Rukia.
Also, when Ichigo finds out Zangetsu's name, he pulls out a red thread.
Well, lets just hope that people don't react like this if their OTP doesn't happen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-uTnqYHZ-I&feature=related
WOW....Thank you SO much for posting that! Totally made my night.
BAHAHAHAHAHA!
What a complete tool.
Reiraku, they're spiritual threads :) the scene where Ichigo does it is in Volume 2
The red string of fate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_string_of_fate)is something else, though it wouldn't be absurd to think that the animators were referencing it when they made the first ED with Rukia.
Thanks for that. :)
I'm not sure if this is the same for other EDs, as I'm not too active in this fandom, but you may find a valid interpretation of this ED through its lyrics, as each scene is actually perfectly timed according to the lyrics sung. ;)
Carry on~
where the hell is Ishida?!
he's playing chess w/ Yammi, yes I know it's weird.
I don't think Yama is going to defeat Aizen at all. That really doesn't make sense.
Why would they give someone who is strong, yes, the killing blow on the ultimate villain?
That goes against everything the manga has been building up. I think Ichigo will defeat Ulquiorra, and probably gain some powerup through conversing/fighting with Shirosaki.
Eh, it's not completely unheard of that someone else not the MC takes down the head hancho for that particular arc.
Royal_Devil
2008-07-16, 23:31
Ah anime team, what a fickle bunch they are.
Shirosaki? you mean his inner hollow? that is unlikely since he already defeated him and we havent seen anything from him since.
Shirosaki warned Ichigo that if he slipped up again he wouldn't hesitate to take over. Logically Ichigo has defeated him, but since when does logic factor into Bleach? Shirosaki always makes things more interesting so why not let him out?
mysociallink2
2008-07-16, 23:32
he's playing chess w/ Yammi, yes I know it's weird.
Very weird.
http://www.mmorpg-guy.com/pics/am.jpg
http://www.mmorpg-guy.com/pics/am1.jpg
http://www.mmorpg-guy.com/pics/am2.jpg
Ichigo&Rukia
2008-07-17, 02:03
Six, if Kubo wants ichigo to end with rukia, what is he waiting for! He could have done it already and have kept the romance to a minimal. Like holding hands or a hug after ichigo fight someone. You could say that he did it so Orihime could first get stronger and then "forget" about him and fall in love with someone else (as long as it isn't ishida).
This is how Kubo choosed IchiRuki to be-different than other pairings and this is what makes the relationship beautiful.
Yes,there may be no mushy speeches and all these hands-holding you are talking about will make it boring.The interesting in their bond is the amazing understanding,they are two partners always there for each other and would die for each other still without hugs and so on.
Kubo just wants them developing slowly.He is not waiting for anything.He WILL do something like you wish,because I'm almost convinced that IchiRuki will happend and Kubo can choose how.
X_Danny_X
2008-07-17, 03:21
This is how Kubo choosed IchiRuki to be-different than other pairings and this is what makes the relationship beautiful.
Yes,there may be no mushy speeches and all these hands-holding you are talking about will make it boring.The interesting in their bond is the amazing understanding,they are two partners always there for each other and would die for each other still without hugs and so on.
Kubo just wants them developing slowly.He is not waiting for anything.He WILL do something like you wish,because I'm almost convinced that IchiRuki will happend and Kubo can choose how.
eh? kubo choosed? you are talking like Ichigo/Rukia is already canon which ofcourse it is not, and far from it!! (i am positive it will never happen)
always there for each other and will die for another????? Ichigo will put his life on the line for any of his friends! that is his character and I am confident Rukia would do so for anybody else as well, she is a fighter afterall. Orihime summed it up in the previous chapter how friends will of fight and risk their lives for one another. I mean, that is what alot of people did for Rukia in the SS arc!
Rukia and Ichigo was developed already, Rukia made Ichigo what he is today and both have their own screentime apart from one another, just like everybody else. They are no longer together! This has been going on since Rukia was saved. The role is complete and it is time to move on!
Ichigo&Rukia
2008-07-17, 03:34
eh? kubo choosed? you are talking like Ichigo/Rukia is already canon which ofcourse it is not, and far from it!! (i am positive it will never happen)
I meant Kubo choosed to make their relationship a bit different.And they already have relationship,they may not be romantically involved but they have relationship,be it love or not.
Be positive as much as you want.The end will come and you will open your eyes. :rolleyes:
always there for each other and will die for another????? Ichigo will put his life on the line for any of his friends! that is his character and I am confident Rukia would do so for anybody else as well, she is a fighter afterall. Orihime summed it up in the previous chapter how friends will of fight and risk their lives for one another. I mean, that is what alot of people did for Rukia in the SS arc!
Always there for each other was meant in another way.
Unlike Orihime,Rukia didn't fail to cath Ichigo when he fell.This is where the irony stands.Orihime failed to cath the falling Ichigo and just hit his head,while Rukia who is way shorter and thinner,managed to cath him,put his head in her lap and heal him,thanking him he survived.
Rukia and Ichigo was developed already, Rukia made Ichigo what he is today and both have their own screentime apart from one another, just like everybody else. They are no longer together! This has been going on since Rukia was saved. The role is complete and it is time to move on!
:heh:
It isn't over because you want it to be.
Rukia finisfed her "role"?What role are you talking about?After Orihime arc is over,do you think Rukia will just..run away?She won't abandon her relationship with Ichigo just because she is already saved.What do you think she is?
Not to mention if Kubo wanted to stop IchiRuki,Rukia wouldn't have come back after she was saved.But she did come and got Ichigo out of his depression and that means her role is not over.Own screentime?Then why did she get him out of depression.They had moments after Soul Society and Rukia will not just go away and leave room for your precious Hime Ichigo doesn't even notice.
Endrance
2008-07-17, 04:47
really some people seem to think that because orihime got her time that its just time to pack rukia up because she isnt needed anymore
Hi, welcome to Shipper Wars
This may be too sappy for some men and women here, so my apologies. :)
Despite the romantic lyrics, I personally hated the new ED song, and the new video is so damn shippy, so I've taken the liberty to "fix" up the video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aozrdRL1mzM) (twice lol). Quotations are there, because I like my sap thick but I'm not sure you do. :D
Anyway that's enough of Ichigo x Rukia stuff, this is shipper's hangout.
Carry on people.
This may be too sappy for some men and women here, so my apologies. :)
Despite the romantic lyrics, I personally hated the new ED song, and the new video is so damn shippy, so I've taken the liberty to "fix" up the video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aozrdRL1mzM) (twice lol). Quotations are there, because I like my sap thick but I'm not sure you do. :D
Anyway that's enough of Ichigo x Rukia stuff, this is shipper's hangout.
Carry on people.
I thought it was really good and it fit the vid well! I commented and rated too!:D
X_Danny_X
2008-07-17, 08:08
I meant Kubo choosed to make their relationship a bit different.And they already have relationship,they may not be romantically involved but they have relationship,be it love or not.
Be positive as much as you want.The end will come and you will open your eyes. :rolleyes:
yeah a bit different, they have bond like nobody else does, that is the bit different part. she is special person to him, it stops there however. there is no love in that relationship between the two and there was never and indication that love will blossom between. a guy and girl can be just friends, ichi/ruki is a best example of this.
oh my eyes are wide open http://photobucket.com/albums/c172/nfandom/whatthefuck.gif as you can see!!
Always there for each other was meant in another way.
Unlike Orihime,Rukia didn't fail to cath Ichigo when he fell.This is where the irony stands.Orihime failed to cath the falling Ichigo and just hit his head,while Rukia who is way shorter and thinner,managed to cath him,put his head in her lap and heal him,thanking him he survived.
just because of that seen? sorry but you cant make no conclusion over those two scenes and prove that their relationship is different? there relationship is different, but not just compared to Orihime, it is with everyone else. she is special friend to Ichigo and that is been known already.
if you want to play that game, then I can say that Ichigo gave Rukia away to Renji when he told those two get out of here. LOL
:heh:
It isn't over because you want it to be.
Rukia finisfed her "role"?What role are you talking about?After Orihime arc is over,do you think Rukia will just..run away?She won't abandon her relationship with Ichigo just because she is already saved.What do you think she is?
Not to mention if Kubo wanted to stop IchiRuki,Rukia wouldn't have come back after she was saved.But she did come and got Ichigo out of his depression and that means her role is not over.Own screentime?Then why did she get him out of depression.They had moments after Soul Society and Rukia will not just go away and leave room for your precious Hime Ichigo doesn't even notice.
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heh, her role of making Ichigo into a warrior, that was her purpose! Ichigo mentioned that this woman changed his life for the better, she made him a fighter that can help protect the people he cares for. After that, now she gets her own screentime just like any other character.
Lol, yeah she got him out of depression, and like brought him to like Orihime afterwards. the characters had moments with one another. my point is they dont hang out like they used too! they are not together no more like they were in part 1 before the SS arc started.
He's not referring to Ulq. not letting him see Orihime, he's talking about Ulq. not letting him to go Rukia. How do I know? Because his words: "I really do apologize but since I'm in such a hurry here" are not referring to Orihime at all. He's still talking about needing to go save Rukia before she dies.
With the exception of Ichigo's momentary tete a tete with Ulq. over Orihime being pegged a traitor, that exchange between he and Ulq has nothing to do with her.
I agree, but that's actually Ichigo being illogical. Remember, Rukia was injured, and Ichigo has no magical healing powers to help. His best chance of saving her was to bring Orihime to her. True, he had Nell who is a good healer, but for the most serious of injuries her powers don't compare to Orihime's. When Ichigo died at Ulqi's hands, Nel could only cry but Orihime brought him back.
Ah, perhaps that's not strictly relevant to which girl Ichigo prefers. Just shows he wasn't thinking entirely rationally at that point. Having your friends dying around you can do that to a parson.
Hi-Hi Inoue fans!!! I'm just curious on what you thought of Ichigo and Inoue's reunion. I'm not mocking you guys or anything, neither am I trying to start a shipping war, just skeptical on your POV. Please no flames, I'm so not in the mood for the bitchiness.... >,<
X_Danny_X
2008-07-17, 10:12
Hi-Hi Inoue fans!!! I'm just curious on what you thought of Ichigo and Inoue's reunion. I'm not mocking you guys or anything, neither am I trying to start a shipping war, just skeptical on your POV. Please no flames, I'm so not in the mood for the bitchiness.... >,<
i predict nothing serious will happen, after the fight with Ul, i expect them to figh along side the rest of the SS crew.
in thread chapter 318 discussion, there's a spoiler there of Ichigo and Ulqui's (and Inoue's as well) reunion, the first 4 pages I think?
orihime is being criticized when she feared ichigo the moment he used the mask
how do you think Rukia will react to a vizard Ichigo?
-Orihime was scared because her brother became a hallow and tried to kill her
but Rukia had the same experience, when Kaien was possessed by a hallow and also tried to kill her.
I think it’ll be a part of Ichiruki development.
the ichihime reunion was nothing special,
but they were separated for about some minutes.
I think Rukia will also be a bit shocked but not like Inoue's since she was already aware of Ichigo's hollow, furthermore, Rukia has more experience with fighting hollows. But this is all just my perspective of it. Plus I read somewhere about Ichigo using his mask in the 2nd movie, but nobody cared, or something like that...? I'm not quite sure.
Nervous Venus
2008-07-17, 10:32
This may be too sappy for some men and women here, so my apologies. :)
Despite the romantic lyrics, I personally hated the new ED song, and the new video is so damn shippy, so I've taken the liberty to "fix" up the video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aozrdRL1mzM) (twice lol). Quotations are there, because I like my sap thick but I'm not sure you do. :D
Anyway that's enough of Ichigo x Rukia stuff, this is shipper's hangout.
Carry on people.
I guess I'm the only one that digs the ED song. I can totally rock it. Guess that makes me weird.
I guess I'm the only one that digs the ED song. I can totally rock it. Guess that makes me weird.
lol...! I listened to it a few times and found it real catchy actually...!
I find it real interesting that only a few people have been posting here since the new ending...:rolleyes:
Ichigo&Rukia
2008-07-17, 11:05
yeah a bit different, they have bond like nobody else does, that is the bit different part. she is special person to him, it stops there however. there is no love in that relationship between the two and there was never and indication that love will blossom between. a guy and girl can be just friends, ichi/ruki is a best example of this.
oh my eyes are wide open as you can see!!
What?Stops there?
Is Orihime a special person to him?Hell no.
And something else,just because you refuse to see it doesn't matter.
Half of Bleach fandom and even more supports IchiRuki and are sure it will happen.Popularity displays the result of the manga.A pairing which doesn't have big chance of happening or interactions is not a possible one.
You can't throw off every possiblity.Because Kubo intentionally made IchiRuki more popular.Why do you think IchiOri has very small fandom in Asia?It's what Kubo has done so far.That is what he has storytold us.
In Asia,like I mentioned,VERY big amount of people see IchiRuki as extremely possible.The pairing is very loved and if Kubo does IchiOri,what will he lose?A lot.If he does IchiRuki,he won't lose anything except the really small local fandom of IchiOri.It is not just pairing people are not interested in,it's a hated one I dare say and I have enough friends to know that.Polls can also tell.
All that crap "popularity doesn't matter" is something IchiOriers say because it is in their favour.Let me say,it does matter.Because this is what every writer desires so badly-the purpose of drawing manga except having fun is pleasing fans.IchiOri will not please anyone.
Even if he makes the pairing possible now because there is still chance for IchiOri,people will not be convinced and he will be a hated author.If IchiRuki happens,you know how will fandom explode and send our Kubo presents.
Kubo lost big amount of audience with Hueco Mundo and he knows that very well.If IchiOri was about to happen,Kubo would have made his Asian audience love the couple.He made ByaHisa,KaiRuki loved in a few chapters and IchiOri is still unpopular after the spending 60 chapters together.
I don't know if I should take the rest of what you said seriously.I better not answer it,these are anti-IchiRuki arguments who fail,I've heard them billion of times and I just don't wish to write about them.
>.< wow! Just wow I&R! Idk what to say, but truth is, popularity does matter. And we all know the animators like to tease a lot. They trigger both the IchiRuki and Inoue fandom, and look at the results of popularity: (because of the HM arc)
1. Hitsugaya---> he doesn't even appear that much in either manga or anime (but I love him anyway! ^___^)
2. Rukia-----> unbeatable, and still remains there like before
3. Ichigo-----> anybody care to explain....? :rolleyes:
Even Hinamori who barely appears got a higher spot than Inoue. Though this is where I stop, after all I respect HT-san and Kakashi-san decision to not include the popularity for the debate. I will try not to mention popularity anymore for them. ^_^
HayashiTakara
2008-07-17, 11:18
I thought it was really good and it fit the vid well! I commented and rated too!:D
I find it funny that when its an Ichihime ending, every Rukia shipper cried foul, and FILLER!, then when its an IchiRukia ending, they bust a nut going OTP. :rolleyes:
Ichigo&Rukia
2008-07-17, 11:20
No one is claiming it is canon ,people are just enjoying.Nobody says it makes the pairing more possible
Well at least we didn't scream, OMFG!!!! CANON!!!!! like some people did on the previous ending.
We're enjoying it, as much as you enjoyed yours. But I don't think anybody from our side cried because of the 15th ending. Imo, it was quite one-sided but I really liked it and the song too! Ours is like jazz mixed with something else, but who cares!? It's still good enough for hyperventilating.
HayashiTakara
2008-07-17, 11:51
OP / ED = Nothing; its animators playing on fan service nothing more, nothing less.
Nervous Venus
2008-07-17, 11:57
I think that was yuuk1's point.
It's fanservice, therefore we indulged. So far nobody here has used it as PROOFZ - at least, hopefully not.
>,> once again HT-san, we're aware of the fan service thing. You don't have to rub it in our face. Just let IchiRuki-ers enjoy it for the moment, k?
HayashiTakara
2008-07-17, 12:02
>,> once again HT-san, we're aware of the fan service thing. You don't have to rub it in our face. Just let IchiRuki-ers enjoy it for the moment, k?
Oh its fine, I never said anything about the dozen posts about it, but you didn't expect anyone to say something after that last comment you made, did you?
oooh..... right! Went a bit overboard!! Sorry!! But I just wanted to make a point because of what you said:
"I find it funny that when its an Ichihime ending, every Rukia shipper cried foul, and FILLER!, then when its an IchiRukia ending, they bust a nut going OTP."
<-------- I just noticed that I've become a Senior Member, when I've only started posting a week or two ago...! Wow!! >.< how time flies
I'm just glad that people aren't spamming the ending. Its an ending that all. It sill pretty cool though
I find it funny that when its an Ichihime ending, every Rukia shipper cried foul, and FILLER!, then when its an IchiRukia ending, they bust a nut going OTP. :rolleyes:
That's because it's a damn good shippy video and previous certain stuffs can't compare tee hee. :D
Carry on!
If you want HT I can spam "OMG ICHIRUKI IS CANON!" like some IchiHime fans did after the 15th ending was released.
I finally found a new rival for Rukia (and your Inoue too),
ULQUIORRA!!! Yup, that's right, the eye-smex in the upcoming chapter is full of intensity!!
>.< Rukia needs to kick some Exequistas ass to stop Ichigo from falling!!!
........ugh.......... so bored.......
Nah the song for the 16th ending wasn't that good.
When I watched the music video I went 'WTF' and promptly laughed my arse off.
Ichigo&Rukia
2008-07-17, 14:02
Screw it.My mistake of quoting.
HaNa-san
2008-07-17, 14:10
OP / ED = Nothing; its animators playing on fan service nothing more, nothing less.
but when ED 15 was released HT said :p
The fact that they decided to do an Ichihime theme for the end, makes you wonder doesn't it? Its not even the HM arc, its a story seperate altogether. They could've easily done an ending revolving around the filler loli, or heck even Rukia. But nope, they opt for Orihime, makes you wonder doesn't it?
I was just reading the pervious posts and found that XXXD honestly when it's an ichiori ed or scene, it means hints hints hints :heh: :heh: :heh:
I saw the manga pics ..I have to say…it's an ulqichi reunion instead of ichiroi XXD if I were a fan of that pair I would really be disappointed ..
Nervous Venus
2008-07-17, 14:11
I know this is digging up an old grave, but I wanted to address this issue - once again:
Granted that "bitch,whatever" isn't a direct translation, the best translation is "You..!!" basically a fill in the blank, but in english it wouldn't make too much sense. But he has called her "stupid or idiot" a lot (baka, Aho), and that can't be translated any other way.
Interesting note, but I'm re-reading BLEACH (on v3 right now), and in chapter 3 [Head Hittin'] pg 9, when Rukia does a curtsy (the scene where she goes "gokigen uruwashyuu~"), and Orihime follows. The English panel for Ichigo's thoughts read: YOU'RE GOING ALONG WITH IT!!
In the Japanese version, however, the same word that some translators (and HT) considered "bitch, whatever" , which is "temee", was also used for Orihime.
Also, oddly enough, ever since [Memories in the Rain], Ichigo has started saying "omae" /you, instead of "temee"/ You...!!". What caused the change? I just thought it was interesting to note.
blue skies
2008-07-17, 14:19
@ crisis--I love your sig. :)
I was just reading the pervious posts and found that XXXD honestly when it's an ichiori ed or scene, it means hints hints hints :heh: :heh: :heh:
Oh, the irony XD
I saw the manga pics ..I have to say…it's an ulqichi reunion instead of ichiroi XXD if I were a fan of that pair I would really be disappointed ..
Really? That is a little disappointing. Kubo will probably give the IchiHime shippers something to make a big fuss out of soon enough, though.
They are already making a fuss over on BA.
"OMG ICHIHIME IS CANON!"
Too bad Ichigo doesn't acknowledge her other than by glancing at her for one panel, then it's eyesmex with Ulquiorra.
lol...! I listened to it a few times and found it real catchy actually...!
I find it real interesting that only a few people have been posting here since the new ending...:rolleyes:
like how interesting it was that no one posted here in like a day earlier this week? :p
lolz making insinuating assumptions
HaNa-san
2008-07-17, 14:45
Really? That is a little disappointing. Kubo will probably give the IchiHime shippers something to make a big fuss out of soon enough, though.
Ichigo said to Ulquirrora that he is surprised that he's drawing his sword against him already. He then ask Ulq if he considers him a worthy opponent. And Ulq told him at the very least. Ulq then says he considered Ichigo as an opponent that needed to be destroyed. And Ichigo answered that's already enough.
Ulquiorra : I'll use my sword
07
Ichigo: I'm amazed, didn't expect you to draw your weapon from the start
Ichigo: Initially, my thoughts were to force you to do that.
Ichigo: So my conclusion is that you think I'm a worthy opponent now?
Ulq: Well, at least
08
Ulquiorra: I admit that you are one that need to be destroyed
Ichigo: That's all I need to know
Can you say it's the same ichigo we know who fights for his friends sake o_o he asks ulq if he considers him a real opponent…just attack him already , do you really need to hear his opinion on you >< I can't say that he's really here for orihime's life only…it seems he was eager to fight ulq more than anything >.>
Their chances are limited now..it'll be either during or at the end of the fight, and I doubt something new will happen..you know ichigio's famous smile he always gives nel and orihime.. Would we see something new in the upcoming fight.. I hardly expect that..
Those crazy kids and their egos
I saw the manga pics ..I have to say…it's an ulqichi reunion instead of ichiroi XXD if I were a fan of that pair I would really be disappointed ..
Not at all. He gave her a tender glance, almost sympathetic, not quite sure how to describe it. The closest comparison could be the look he gave Grimmjow when he defeated him. What more can we ask for at this early stage? Sex on the floor? Definatly not an expression he's made before.
Nervous Venus
2008-07-17, 15:50
I'm kind of confused with the last part of your post. How does Orihime's role as the "heroine" in this arc have to do with Hana's statement about fans possibly being disappointed over the look?
(though I agree, it was not disappointing in the least. <3 )
I'm confused with the quote in general.
It doesn't add up.
If Kubo decided Inoue to be the heroine, why doesn't the general marketing outlet reflect this?
Why does the fan consensus not reflect this as well? I'm going by the character popularity polls, and the 40th anniversary Jump cover, which was showing all of the heros/heroines of Shonen Jump.
Also, it's kind of fishy. I'm not one for bashing people really, but this is the same Lady O who posted the supposed 317 spoilers from FLOL (which were horribly mistranslated and were completely wrong), and caused an unnecessary ruckus.
I think we've gone over this havent we? I could have sworn this exact quote (well maybe not exact) been discussed.
Edit: isn't there a recent interview that says the exact opposite?
I think this is the same interview.
I don't take as anything more than crap because Lady O is saying she 'thinks' this is what was said.
I think and kind of =/= true
Same reason i don't argue translations with people. Two people who really don't have any idea what they are talking about shouldn't be debating language. There are a couple people i know who try that it seems very silly to me.
Kakashi-san: i'm pretty sure someone has mentioned it. I think it may have been asam's, I cant be sure though i don't really read his posts, but I think it was him/her. Note: if the interview is true, kubo is losing his touch wouldn't you say?
I'm not saying you are completely wrong.
This COULD be true.
But I take it with a grain of salt because the person you quoted from isn't quite certain herself whether this is true.
This is the same interview I believe that Asam brought up a while back and it's already been discussed to death.
Nervous Venus
2008-07-17, 16:18
Well, it depends on which CD. What's the name of the CD in particular?
Same reason i don't argue translations with people. Two people who really don't have any idea what they are talking about shouldn't be debating language. There are a couple people i know who try that it seems very silly to me
Lol, sorry!! This is my main problem. I like discussing translations. I just did it a page or so back x/,
though I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about.
Well, it depends on which CD. What's the name of the CD in particular?
lol, sorry!! This is my main problem. I like arguing translations. I just did it a page or so back x/
Thats just it I'm not sure it was a CD. From what I gathered from debbiechan, asam claimed it was a spontaneous interview more then a year ago. I would find the actual discussion but I'm too lazy. If you are interested debbiechan rebuked the authenicty of it; you could probably find her retort in the thread.
lol, sorry!! This is my main problem. I like discussing translations. I just did it a page or so back x/
you don't need to apologize; its just something that I won't do. I take my analysis from someone who knows a whole lot more about Japanese then I do. I am trying to learn Japanese, but I don't know enough about it base arguments on them or pretend that everyone else is translating it wrong while I have the right translation. From what I can see M7 is well known to have poor translations and Ju-ni is a good deal more accurate. Again i don't know if that is really the case but thats the feeling i get when I discuss this issue with posters on various forms. Anyway, you do whatever you feel like you don't answer to me.
YOU PEOPLE. Geez Louise, how you argue over the color of an ant's tooth. I've sat on my hands to keep from adding to the heart, figurines, filler, panel sequence of faces before Rukia "dies" fusses, but because the integrity of this or that person in fandom may be in question here and people don't know the story, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE KUBO INTERVIEW WITH ORIHIME'S SEIYUU deal.
It was first touted as a "Kubo reveals that Orihime is a heroine" sort of scoop and was supposed to be included on a CD purchased by a reliable translator at Bleach Asylum.
http://bleachasylum.com/showpost.php?p=149898&postcount=688
The CD was purchased, listened to, and apparently the part about the heroine was "edited out" although to the best of my knowledge, Danna does say that the interview exists. She did not hear anything about the heroine business and does not claim to.
However, she does believe in hearsay from 2ch.
Here is the most relevant post, which Asam correctly quoted.
http://bleachasylum.com/showpost.php?p=150485&postcount=708
What I find especially telling (and hilarious) is that this interview, if real, doesn't at all show that Kubo was announcing Orihime's prominence over Rukia in the story. If indeed he asked the question he's reported to have asked the seiyuu, he was asking why he wasn't having an interview with the seiyuu of the character "who changed Ichigo's World."
This story is old in shipping circles; like many IchiOri bits of spectacular evidence, it fizzled to nothing when brought to the light of day and IchiOri fans do not tout it around as evidence for their pairing. A few people however do irresponsibly repeat the rumor that "Kubo said Orihime was the new heroine of Bleach."
Over and out. Happy Shipping.
This is the quote from debbiechan about the interview.
The interview and the CD cover seem to be saying that Rukia is the secondary main character and Orihime is the heroine, i.e. Ichigo is to Naruto as Rukia is to Sasuke and Orihime is to Sakura. Now this is a ridiculous distinction, as the heroine is usually defined as the most important female in the story, and as secondary main character, that should be Rukia. I think that Kubo just wanted to give Orihime a special distinction and made this arbitrary designation of her as "heroine", because her role in the story is more girly than Rukia's.
Endrance
2008-07-17, 16:34
I remember when ep 167 came out and ichihime fans went crazy screaming canon over the hand holding scene too....:heh:
Hari Michiru
2008-07-17, 16:35
I remember when ep 167 came out and ichihime fans went crazy screaming canon over the hand holding scene too....:heh:
Except that scene never happened in the manga. So it isn't cannon.
I think that Kubo just wanted to give Orihime a special distinction and made this arbitrary designation of her as "heroine", because her role in the story is more girly than Rukia's.
Those were my thoughts also. I didn't actually say anything about the interview because I figured people would have seen it and discussed it. Debbiechan's post just passed me by because I usually ignore anything to do with interviews.
Nervous Venus
2008-07-17, 16:45
The interview and the CD cover seem to be saying that Rukia is the secondary main character and Orihime is the heroine, i.e. Ichigo is to Naruto as Rukia is to Sasuke and Orihime is to Sakura. Now this is a ridiculous distinction, as the heroine is usually defined as the most important female in the story, and as secondary main character, that should be Rukia. I think that Kubo just wanted to give Orihime a special distinction and made this arbitrary designation of her as "heroine", because her role in the story is more girly than Rukia's.
Which CD are we talking about? If possible, I would like the actual title so I could see for myself.
HayashiTakara
2008-07-17, 16:46
Anime canon =/= Manga canon, as far as anime people are concerned, it is canon. As far as I know there is no anime that completely follows their manga counterpart. If you don't like what the anime is doing, stick to the manga, and vice versa.
Anime canon =/= Manga canon, as far as anime people are concerned, it is canon. As far as I know there is no anime that completely follows their manga counterpart. If you don't like what the anime is doing, stick to the manga, and vice versa.
So that scene in the first filler arc with Ichigo coming at Rukia from behind is canon? Awesome.
I can assure you the IchiHime fans at BA that were (most of them anyway)screaming "OMG CANON" after the 15th ending and the hand-holding scene read the manga and watch the anime.
Which CD are we talking about? If possible, I would like the actual title so I could see for myself.
A quote supposedly from Amazon about the Rukia and Orihime Bleach Beat CD: 大ヒット"BLEACHキャラクターソングシリーズ"初のヒロインタッグで登場!!原作でもアニメーションでも重要なキャラクター準主役・朽木ルキア(CV:折 笠富美子)と満を持してキャラソン初登場のヒロイン、井上織姫(CV:松岡由貴)。歌唱力抜群の二人でお届 けします。
HayashiTakara
2008-07-17, 16:53
So that scene in the first filler arc with Ichigo coming at Rukia from behind is canon? Awesome.
Sure why not.
Ichigo stuck it in the pooper? when did this happen? :O
Sure why not.
Ichigo stuck it in the pooper? when did this happen? :O
:heh: I don't quite remember the episode myself.
It was that episode where Ishida was in the hospital and water started flowing out of the sink. Rukia went to turn it off, and Ichigo came up behind her resulting in what some would consider a quite intimate position.
;)
HayashiTakara
2008-07-17, 17:01
pics plix! I want to see some poop sticking action.
Oh please… the Orihime ‘heroine’ topic was reborn. Darn it.
What’s the meaning of that word again? Lol
It was that episode where Ishida was in the hospital and water started flowing out of the sink. Rukia went to turn it off, and Ichigo came up behind her resulting in what some would consider a quite intimate position.
;)
I like that scene
there were lots of Ichiruki moments in that episode ,
I watched the dubbed version last Saturday...
The dub was pretty terribad.
They removed Rukia's blush when she was thanking Ichigo.
HayashiTakara
2008-07-17, 17:08
apisode? terribad? oi! my head hurts
HT: i fixed it for you
but you know, seriously, IchiOri is now a sinking ship
The dub was pretty terribad.
They removed Rukia's blush when she was thanking Ichigo.
oh really? can't remember that she blushed on that scene though, I've watched the subbed version before...
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-ok i just watched the subbed version, and there's no blushing.
Sure why not.
Ichigo stuck it in the pooper? when did this happen? :O
Why does it have to be the pooper? I could see Ichigo being a fan of doggie style. Less messy. ;)
Why does it have to be the pooper? I could see Ichigo being a fan of doggie style. Less messy. ;)
lol, I second that
HT: i fixed it for you
but you know, seriously, IchiOri is now a sinking ship
oh really? can't remember that she blushed on that scene though, I've watched the subbed version before...
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-ok i just watched the subbed version, and there's no blushing.
I thought she blushed when she couldn't fix the tap herself. She was getting annoyed with it and then once it started pouring out she blushed in an "oh shit I made it worse" sort of way. It had nothing to do with Ichigo.
The version I watched had her blushing when she thanked Ichigo. Maybe it's just the subbing company that's the problem, but I'm certain that she blushed when she thanked him.
Nervous Venus
2008-07-17, 17:54
She was probably just embarrassed that he caught her in there unable to fix a broken faucet.
... Am I the only one who hates the english dub? Cuz seriously, they change the lines often plus they're (some) not really good voice actors to begin with, not to mention lack of emotion. (=___=lll)
Nervous Venus
2008-07-17, 18:45
yuuk1: Dub fans will just tell you " all it's subject to opinion" and then jab their fingers at your face and call you japanophiles. And how Japanese people didn't make anime to be viewed with text obscuring the bottom blah blah blah .
/jk. Those are just the ones I've met. Not saying they're all like that. :p
People have called them professional, well-acted dubs. So I guess they are. I can't tell, but that's because what little I've seen of the dubs was all of five minutes.
yuuk1: Dub fans will just tell you " all it's subject to opinion" and then jab their fingers at your face and call you japanophiles. And how Japanese people didn't make anime to be viewed with text obscuring the bottom blah blah blah .
/jk. Those are just the ones I've met. Not saying they're all like that. :p
People have called them professional, well-acted dubs. So I guess they are. I can't tell, but that's because what little I've seen of the dubs was all of five minutes.
OH!! RIGHT!! Totally forgot about that... >.> hehe, must've slipped my mind. Thanks for the heads up though! :D
I hate Kenpachi's American VA w/ a passion, that is all.
edit: dammit kakashi stop deleting your posts! I likes to read them w/ everything else
... Am I the only one who hates the english dub? Cuz seriously, they change the lines often plus they're (some) not really good voice actors to begin with, not to mention lack of emotion. (=___=lll)
I'm right there with you. The Bleach dub is so cringe-worthy. It's like nails on a chalkboard to watch/hear it. *shudder* Especially Hitsugaya's voice...Just...No...
Though Ichigo isn't bad. He's actually okay. The rest of the cast? EPIC FAIL! :frustrated:
Kyero Fox
2008-07-17, 20:10
atleast they have Hollow Ichigo good.
I think Rukia's VA is decent.
Michelle Ruff
Johnny Young Bosch makes me lol sometimes. It took me awhile before I figured out he was a former Power Ranger, and that he voiced Renton in Eureka Seven.
Kyero Fox
2008-07-17, 20:14
I hate Kenpachi's American VA w/ a passion, that is all.
edit: dammit kakashi stop deleting your posts! I likes to read them w/ everything else
I actually think his VA is pretty fitting, we need a VA disgussion thread...
I think Rukia's VA is decent.
Michelle Ruff
Johnny Young Bosch makes me lol sometimes. It took me awhile before I figured out he was a former Power Ranger, and that he voiced Renton in Eureka Seven.
Your kidding right...?! RIGHT?!?!?! Power.... Rangers... pffffffff.............!!!!!!!!!!!
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Idk.... I've always had a problem with the Power Rangers....
Yeah, I don't remember what version of the series he was on... but he WAS a Power Ranger.
He was the second Black Ranger.
Who you kidding? Power Rangers was the shit!
*wanders off singing "Yo Go Power Rangers doo dee doo doo doo..."*
In random and completely unrelated news, one of my profs was a VA for Sailor Moon. He did Chad (Rei's bf?). He also was the original Astro Boy...
Royal_Devil
2008-07-17, 20:27
Who gives a crap what parts he used to play? Everyone gets there start somewhere. Dan Southworh was once the Quantum Ranger does that stop him from being a badass as Vergil in DMC?
I never get why people have a problem with judging every performance on an individual basis instead of always focusing on other roles. Of course, if you go in condemning it no performance could please you.
Why are were even talking about this? There's a dub thread that can be bumped to discuss it properly.
Edit: There I bumped the thread to the front page. If you have a reply post it there and not here we've gone OT long enough
Hari Michiru
2008-07-17, 20:38
I'm right there with you. The Bleach dub is so cringe-worthy. It's like nails on a chalkboard to watch/hear it. *shudder* Especially Hitsugaya's voice...Just...No...
Though Ichigo isn't bad. He's actually okay. The rest of the cast? EPIC FAIL! :frustrated:
I hate Ichigo's VA with a passion. Watched five minutes of him speaking, and already I wanted to die. Can't even pronounce Ichigo's name properly, and he over exaggerates his words.
X_Danny_X
2008-07-17, 21:55
What?Stops there?
Is Orihime a special person to him?Hell no.
eh? i wasnt saying that!
And something else,just because you refuse to see it doesn't matter.
there is nothing there to see! that is what i am trying to make you see, that there is nothing there to seeeeeeeee!!!!
Half of Bleach fandom and even more supports IchiRuki and are sure it will happen.
what IchiRuki fans think doesnt mean it will become reality, in fact i am sure of it.
Popularity displays the result of the manga.
no it doesnt, and in the case of shounen, the value of romance/pairings means little.
A pairing which doesn't have big chance of happening or interactions is not a possible one.
exactly, which is why IchiRuki wont happen. :mad:
You can't throw off every possiblity.Because Kubo intentionally made IchiRuki more popular.Why do you think IchiOri has very small fandom in Asia?It's what Kubo has done so far.That is what he has storytold us.
In Asia,like I mentioned,VERY big amount of people see IchiRuki as extremely possible. The pairing is very loved and if Kubo does IchiOri,what will he lose?A lot.
If he does IchiRuki,he won't lose anything except the really small local fandom of IchiOri.It is not just pairing people are not interested in,it's a hated one I dare say and I have enough friends to know that.Polls can also tell.
All that crap "popularity doesn't matter" is something IchiOriers say because it is in their favour.Let me say,it does matter.Because this is what every writer desires so badly-the purpose of drawing manga except having fun is pleasing fans.IchiOri will not please anyone.
LOL, some very bias writing you got there! you are talking like IchiRuki is everything in Bleach and that EVERY SINGLE BLEACH FAN VOTED IN THESE POLLS. Bleach is Shounen, not Shoujo! Bleach is watch by many for alot of reasons besides a possible IchiRuki pairing! If IchiRuki doesnt happen, alot of people will still watch the show, including YOU!
Even if he makes the pairing possible now because there is still chance for IchiOri,people will not be convinced and he will be a hated author.
he wont be hated sweety, that is just your thinking! Bleach is extremely popular for many reasons and it is all without romance or love since there has been no official pairing yet after all these years!!
If IchiRuki happens,you know how will fandom explode and send our Kubo presents.
Kubo lost big amount of audience with Hueco Mundo and he knows that very well.If IchiOri was about to happen,Kubo would have made his Asian audience love the couple.He made ByaHisa,KaiRuki loved in a few chapters and IchiOri is still unpopular after the spending 60 chapters together.
I don't know if I should take the rest of what you said seriously.I better not answer it,these are anti-IchiRuki arguments who fail,I've heard them billion of times and I just don't wish to write about them.
the big complaint about him losing some fans has nothing to do with IchiRuki being a pairing! the Banto arc wasnt that good compare to the SS arc and some people say Kubo was losing his touch with now the Aizen/Espada arc but nothing has been confirmed that he lost a huge supply of fans because of it. Bleach is still going strong and people continue to watch the anime, buy the manga, merchindise, etc. :rolleyes:
Hari Michiru
2008-07-17, 22:00
eh? i wasnt saying that!
there is nothing there to see! that is what i am trying to make you see, that there is nothing there to seeeeeeeee!!!!
what IchiRuki fans think doesnt mean it will become reality, in fact i am sure of it.
no it doesnt, and in the case of shounen, the value of romance/pairings means little.
exactly, which is why IchiRuki wont happen. :mad:
LOL, some very bias writing you got there! you are talking like IchiRuki is everything in Bleach and that EVERY SINGLE BLEACH FAN VOTED IN THESE POLLS. Bleach is Shounen, not Shoujo! Bleach is watch by many for alot of reasons besides a possible IchiRuki pairing! If IchiRuki doesnt happen, alot of people will still watch the show, including YOU!
he wont be hated sweety, that is just your thinking! Bleach is extremely popular for many reasons and it is all without romance or love since there has been no official pairing yet after all these years!!
the big complaint about him losing some fans has nothing to do with IchiRuki being a pairing! the Banto arc wasnt that good compare to the SS arc and some people say Kubo was losing his touch with now the Aizen/Espada arc but nothing has been confirmed that he lost a huge supply of fans because of it. Bleach is still going strong and people continue to watch the anime, buy the manga, merchindise, etc. :rolleyes:
It's not like your writing isn't bias too. It's true that not every Bleach fan votes on the polls, but a lot of them do (the Japanese audience). It's bound to influence KT in some way, since he wants to please his audience.
Goddess11
2008-07-17, 23:49
oh im a huge ichigoxrukia fan!! people until the manga ends we wont know but i can bet my life them two will end up together....
ok maybe not my life....
ichigo x rukia 4-ever!!!
It's not like your writing isn't bias too. It's true that not every Bleach fan votes on the polls, but a lot of them do (the Japanese audience). It's bound to influence KT in some way, since he wants to please his audience.
I believe KT has said, and I believe it's quoted somewhere in the huge circular argument...that he's only let fan opinion affect his decision once, but for the love of me I can't remember exactly what it was...
I believe it was in reference to his decision to bring Orihime out of the background. He had every intention of leaving her there until during the SS arc people started to like her. Funny that.
Ichigo&Rukia
2008-07-18, 02:01
Omg,Danny's post :heh
Not gonna answer since like I said I doubt it is something I should take seriously
*dies*
Kari Izumi
2008-07-18, 03:08
... Am I the only one who hates the english dub? Cuz seriously, they change the lines often plus they're (some) not really good voice actors to begin with, not to mention lack of emotion. (=___=lll)
As far as dubs go, it could be a hell of a lot worse. About the only voice actor who I still haven't warmed up to in the role would be the guy who does Renji, but one out of thirty (or more, with this show) isn't too bad.
Getting back to this topic:
All that crap "popularity doesn't matter" is something IchiOriers say because it is in their favour.Let me say,it does matter.Because this is what every writer desires so badly-the purpose of drawing manga except having fun is pleasing fans.IchiOri will not please anyone.
If every writer listened to every one of his fans as for what he should or shouldn't do with his work, most works of fiction would look like...well, have you seen daytime TV lately? It's a horrible mess of flavor of the week couples that get split up with every fan poll that comes out. It ain't pretty. :eyespin:
Here are my thoughts about both couples: At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if either happened. Ichigo and Rukia have had a bond from the beginning. The nature of that bond has most likely been debated to death in this thread, but it's there. They do have a special kind of relationship with each other (one that, even as an Ichiruki fan, I acknowledge to be platonic at this point in time). Ichigo and Orihime will undoubtedly become closer friends after all this is over, so there's also potential in that blooming into something more.
But honestly, before I could see either relationship happening, Ichigo's gotta notice when girls like him! :p He's pretty oblivious to this sort of thing, and I think he couldn't clue in, even if it were Rukia in Orihime's position. That's the big stepping stone, and I'm surprised in the ten pages that I did read in this thread that no one's brought this up. It's one reason why the whole "but Orihime already loves Ichigo" argument a bit flawed for me. Yes, she does, but that doesn't mean he necessarily has to return those feelings.
In six years of being online, I've mostly learned it's best just to like what I like as far as pairings go, and take canon "evidence" (which can be skewered any old which-way) with a grain of salt--especially in shounen series which may have five or six panels of canon shippy romance, if that.
HaNa-san
2008-07-18, 04:02
Not at all. He gave her a tender glance, almost sympathetic, not quite sure how to describe it. The closest comparison could be the look he gave Grimmjow when he defeated him. What more can we ask for at this early stage? Sex on the floor? Definatly not an expression he's made before.
Lol so the sympathy look satisfied you and the fans.. I remember many ichiori fans were shouting "I can't wait for the second reunion ..it should be epic…etc" what a reunion -_-' the focusing was in ichigo and ulq…ichigo didn't even talk to orihime o_o
In contract with ichiruki reunions…ichigo came and the heroic smile in his face saying yo … not a sympathy or almost a cold expression, that would hurt :heh:
Honestly..there's nothing to compare with …ichiruki moments are far from comparing it with ichiori ones…. The two relationship are so unbalanced.. >.> lets wait for more few chapter and see though >.>
SUKISUKILOL
2008-07-18, 04:38
he wont be hated sweety, that is just your thinking! Bleach is extremely popular for many reasons and it is all without romance or love since there has been no official pairing yet after all these years!!
Oh belive me he will be hated.
SUKISUKILOL
2008-07-18, 04:45
If every writer listened to every one of his fans as for what he should or shouldn't do with his work, most works of fiction would look like...well, have you seen daytime TV lately? It's a horrible mess of flavor of the week couples that get split up with every fan poll that comes out. It ain't pretty. :eyespin:
Ehm, this is not about one fan, its about... well IchigoxRukia is the most popular paring everywhere. So why would he want to make almost all of his fans disappointed?
I'm confused with the quote in general.
It doesn't add up.
If Kubo decided Inoue to be the heroine, why doesn't the general marketing outlet reflect this?
Why does the fan consensus not reflect this as well? I'm going by the character popularity polls, and the 40th anniversary Jump cover, which was showing all of the heros/heroines of Shonen Jump.
Also, it's kind of fishy. I'm not one for bashing people really, but this is the same Lady O who posted the supposed 317 spoilers from FLOL (which were horribly mistranslated and were completely wrong), and caused an unnecessary ruckus.
Even Jump webistes don't reflect Orihime as a Bleach heroine at all. In official Jump website, for Jump 40th anniversary, Rukia is featured with Ichigo along with other main characters. And the most recent one is the website for Jump Expo here:
http://www.jump40th.com/j-expo/
If you notice, everyone's pic except Rukia comes from that Heroes and Heroines covers which all Orihime fans has claimed as an evident for Orihime's heroine status. If that is true, why would JUMP replaces her with Rukia here? Rukia is the only character that wasn't featured on that heroines cover.
To be honest, heroine or not, it wouldn't increase anyone's chances on getting with Ichigo. If they have no chemistry, no interactions nor developments, the pairing will not happen.
About ch 318: That is not a reunion. It is too lame to be one unless we are talking about UlquiIchi reunion.
HayashiTakara
2008-07-18, 06:58
Lol so the sympathy look satisfied you and the fans.. I remember many ichiori fans were shouting "I can't wait for the second reunion ..it should be epic…etc" what a reunion -_-' the focusing was in ichigo and ulq…ichigo didn't even talk to orihime o_o
In contract with ichiruki reunions…ichigo came and the heroic smile in his face saying yo … not a sympathy or almost a cold expression, that would hurt :heh:
Honestly..there's nothing to compare with …ichiruki moments are far from comparing it with ichiori ones…. The two relationship are so unbalanced.. >.> lets wait for more few chapter and see though >.>
A reunion isn't a reunion when theres an enemy in front of your face. Ichihime fans, including myself don't expect much to happen upon arrival "It'll just be too awkward to see Ichigo or Orihime throwing kissey faces while Ulq. is standing inbetween them. But, the expectation lies somewhere inbetween or at the end, similar to what happened with the Grimmjow fight where every Ichihime fan orgasmed over, and every IchiRukia fan cried foul over.
Its your opinion that you think whatever moments dealing with Rukia is better, be sure to state that. As in my opinion, I see it as nothing special. Hell Ichigo didn't even talk to Rukia again after he chucked her over to Renji until long after the Byakuya fight. IIRC.
Right now, it is a wait and see game. I know every shipper is on their toes over these upcoming chapters.
And btw, its "contrast" not "contract", just a little help. ;)
X_Danny_X
2008-07-18, 07:23
Oh belive me he will be hated.
he wont lose any sleep over it, trust me. :heh:
It's not like your writing isn't bias too. It's true that not every Bleach fan votes on the polls, but a lot of them do (the Japanese audience). It's bound to influence KT in some way, since he wants to please his audience.
everyones has bias, however that post from IchigoxRukia was BIAS beyond belief.
HayashiTakara
2008-07-18, 07:27
Why don't the IchiRukia fans, realize that this is a Shonen, where theres no promise of any kind of pairing? Whichever Kubo goes for, if any, will have little to no effect. The thousands little boys that goes out to buy their shonen jumps and volume releases won't be slitting their wrists over Rukia.
A reunion isn't a reunion when theres an enemy in front of your face. Ichihime fans, including myself don't expect much to happen upon arrival "It'll just be too awkward to see Ichigo or Orihime throwing kissey faces while Ulq. is standing inbetween them. But, the expectation lies somewhere inbetween or at the end, similar to what happened with the Grimmjow fight where every Ichihime fan orgasmed over, and every IchiRukia fan cried foul over.
Uhh... well we can say the same about Rukia's execution, the Halberd stabbing her, the highest ranking shinigamis are there, Byaku-chin glaring and all; yet KT-san let Ichigo and Rukia have a little interaction. Now that was surprising for us fans too. Not to mention Ichigo trying to look cool.
"Yo..." I mean WTF!?! is that?! But like my theory, when people (applying to everybody!) are trying to impress someone they adore/like/love or whatever you call it, they would want to look COOL in front of this person.
Also, Hana-san was just saying that either way, the reunion scenes and parallels between them are still incomparable. We're not saying the 'OMG your pairing sux!!! NAH NAH NA NAH!!!'
That is why we'll wait.
SUKISUKILOL
2008-07-18, 07:49
Why don't the IchiRukia fans, realize that this is a Shonen, where theres no promise of any kind of pairing? Whichever Kubo goes for, if any, will have little to no effect. The thousands little boys that goes out to buy their shonen jumps and volume releases won't be slitting their wrists over Rukia.
Well of course there is no promise but if Kubo is smart he would at least try to please his fans a little :heh:
HaNa-san
2008-07-18, 07:57
A reunion isn't a reunion when theres an enemy in front of your face. Ichihime fans, including myself don't expect much to happen upon arrival "It'll just be too awkward to see Ichigo or Orihime throwing kissey faces while Ulq. is standing inbetween them. But, the expectation lies somewhere inbetween or at the end, similar to what happened with the Grimmjow fight where every Ichihime fan orgasmed over, and every IchiRukia fan cried foul over.
Then what about rukia execution… ichigo came inbetween her and the bird to stop it and he had a good look at rukia face… if kubo wanted to make ichiori a dramatic reunion, he would make ichigo jumps inbetween orihime and ulq to stop his hand that pointed to her heart.. but nah, he just came and made some noises in the back to let ulq notices him and gives him his hot glance… and the least thing ichigo was suppose to do is to ask orihime how's she.. he just said to ulq to stay away from her, but didn't say anything to her directly.. I consider this is a cold and rude behavior from him.. so it's easy for you dismiss it as a reunion to sit your feeling, but god knows how you feel from inside..
Its your opinion that you think whatever moments dealing with Rukia is better, be sure to state that. As in my opinion, I see it as nothing special. Hell Ichigo didn't even talk to Rukia again after he chucked her over to Renji until long after the Byakuya fight. IIRC.
Did read my post properly, I said he talked to her when he CAME to rescue her…"rukia I came to save you" "you always worry about me "your opinions are rejected" "this is the second time …" or are these not a conversation in your dictionary o_o' that's your opinion to consider their reunions aren't speacil, but I believe most of people even the non shipper ones think of it the exact opposite..
Right now, it is a wait and see game. I know every shipper is on their toes over these upcoming chapters.
XXD lets wait and see if the last few chapters (chances) will make a big jump between ichiori :heh: one can hope can't he? XD
And btw, its "contrast" not "contract", just a little help. ;)
Sorry I made a spelling mistake coz I was in a hurry and didn't check it ^^' thanks anyway XD
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