Ichigo and Rukia? or Ichigo and Orihime?

[- HEROiNEx]

I wasn't serious about that proof thing. xDDD
I was making a joke out of the fact people use subtle little things like that as hints toward proof for their favorite couple.

And I think that Yuzu and Karin would think that, because they've never seen Ichigo bring home a girl except for Tatsuki. I know if my brother never brought home a girl and then one day he did and she asked to stay with us, I would think it as something too. Its all apart of using your head and thinking of all the possible scenario's.

I still level my head about whats possible and what isn't. Really, its a shounen and anything is possible, I respect anyone and everyone who can stand up for what they think all of it means and by all means speak with me about it, but at the same time I'm still going with my Ichigo and no one theory until he finally shouts from the rooftops he loves Rukia Kuchiki. (Oops, guess my IchiRuki-ness came in there. >x>)

[Hari Michiru]

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In this panel, we have Mahana popping the question to Rukia (who is slurping on an ORANGE flavored juice box (but I'm not that desperate for evidence :heh:). Before this is asked, she is relaxed and nonchalant about things. However, this changes quickly.

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Most of this page is the girls staring expectantly, but notice that bottom left panel in page 5. This panel has both the scenery darkened and Rukia herself. I believe in an interview Kubo explained that when he wants to show scenes with great emotion packed into them, or inner turmoil etc. he darkens the scenery and the character. This is what he is doing here. She is also hesitating in her answer. If you had no feelings for someone beyond friendship, then wouldn't your answer be straightforward with no hesitation? I sure would think so.

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Why hello thar. Schoolgirl facade again (she uses it to fool people, get something she wants (which obviously in this situation is to deflect interest away from her relationship with Ichigo.) Once she goes into the schoolgirl mode, she immediately starts spouting off 'Yup' while the panels also show her thoughts accompanying her fake exhibit of girlyness. Sounds like she is making excuses for not having friends here in the human world, companionship, and love... Wait, love? Why should she mention love? Could she have developed feelings for Ichigo yet hidden them behind excuses of being a shinigami and her duty? I think so. After all, she lived with Byakuya for most of her shinigami life, she has had PLENTY of time (especially after Kaien's death) to develop such a cold, emotionless state of mind. However, it disappears once she meets Ichigo. Looks like he was destined to change her world like she changed his, hmm.

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The last two are honestly just adding the same things to what I've been saying. Running away from Ichigo and her feelings and want of 'LOVE, companionship, and friendship', she hides behind excuses saying for shinigami such feelings are nothing but a burden. It sounds like she WANTS to experience these feelings, yet like I've said, hides it. I think after her fight with Aaronierro, she's finally found the courage to step beyond her barriers she put up after Kaien's death, and live a happy life. Whether that's single, with Ichigo, or maybe Renji, who knows? But from the manga, it sounds like she wants to live it with Ichigo alone =/

As much as I want RukiKai or ByaRuki, the evidence towards Ichiruki is quite...plain. (sob) Especially when Rukia tells the girls that Ichigo is 'just a friend'. That plot device has been used so many times I can't even remember the number of times it has been used (whoops, run on sentence).


I still level my head about whats possible and what isn't. Really, its a shounen and anything is possible, I respect anyone and everyone who can stand up for what they think all of it means and by all means speak with me about it, but at the same time I'm still going with my Ichigo and no one theory until he finally shouts from the rooftops he loves Rukia Kuchiki. (Oops, guess my IchiRuki-ness came in there. >x>)

If Ichigo does that so publicly, then Ishia will go gay with Chad (not trying to be homophobic)! XD

[- HEROiNEx]

HEY!
IT COULD HAPPEN
rofl. -shot-
I think I'd really laugh if Ishida went gay with Chad.
>x>; Chad could like.. break Ishida with one finger in bed
Poor poor Ishida. xDDD

[Hari Michiru]

HEY!
IT COULD HAPPEN
rofl. -shot-
I think I'd really laugh if Ishida went gay with Chad.
>x>; Chad could like.. break Ishida with one finger in bed
Poor poor Ishida. xDDD

LOL, keep it PG13 here! :heh:

Ichigo won't lose 'face' like that to shout out to the world that he likes a girl! (I think he's still in the 'liking girls are icky' stage.)

[- HEROiNEx]

Ahaha. I should, I should.
PG-13. I'll try, it might not work though. xDD

AND as for Warchef, that isn't subtle. xD
thats just plain out there and in your face, but at the same time its... literature. xDD
There's no right or wrong answer in literature. Its all interpretation. Sadly.
But I'll let my IchiRuki side take over for today and say. ALL EVIDENCE POINTS TO ICHIRUKI
Don't quote me on this. D: >x>;

[Nervous Venus]

I still don't think Karin's comment that she wouldn't be impressed until Ichigo 'brought home an Orihime-level girl' should be used as IchiHime evidence.

If people are going to make a case about Karin's comment, then they should take into consideration Isshin and Yuzu's comments also.
Besides, Karin was just being crass, much to Yuzu's dismay and Isshin's - err - pleasure. We all know what "level" Karin was implying ;)

That enough should send the message: It's only for laughs.

[saffy]

Sorry to but in, but ive been observing this conversation for some time =p

Just wanted to say that I read an interview with KT that he did at the San Diego comic con (lucky americans :( ) in which he said that 'I get asked about that a lot! [refering to the love triangle surrounding ichigo, rukia & orihime) I don't want to make Bleach into a love story because there are much more exciting things about their personalities and things that they can do instead of getting into the romance aspect of their relationships.'

Was just wondering if you were all aware of the above? You probably will be but just thought it would be interesting to note ^^

AND as for Warchef, that isn't subtle. xD
thats just plain out there and in your face, but at the same time its... literature. xDD
There's no right or wrong answer in literature. Its all interpretation. Sadly.
But I'll let my IchiRuki side take over for today and say. ALL EVIDENCE POINTS TO ICHIRUKI
Don't quote me on this. D: >x>;

Sorry I just HAD to quote you =p

There is very little evidence to support Ichihime in my opinion, but only because as Ichigo is the protagonist of the manga, everyone's looking at him to call the shots in the triangle (especially since we've seen more ichi emotion from both the girls than from him) and so far... he hasnt given us any D: coincidence? I think not (he's lovin' the attention =p) BUT he has interacted more with Rukia, he's done almost everything with her (slept (in the same room) eaten, had a lazy afternoon, fought baddies, schooled, fought more baddies, confronted his pain, almost everything!) with her by his side. If ive learnt anything about true love in my relatively short time on this planet, its that your more likely to fall for some one you've spent that amount of time with ! I.e. If your constantly together (forced or otherwise), Ichihime havent done this as of yet, they've hardly had a moment alone together, and when that (what I thought was going to be major) Ichihime plotline came into affect, it added almost nothing to their relationship (as seen from Ichi's POV)

[- HEROiNEx]

Sorry to but in, but ive been observing this conversation for some time =p

Just wanted to say that I read an interview with KT that he did at the San Diego comic con (lucky americans ) in which he said that 'I get asked about that a lot! [refering to the love triangle surrounding ichigo, rukia & orihime) I don't want to make Bleach into a love story because there are much more exciting things about their personalities and things that they can do instead of getting into the romance aspect of their relationships.'

Was just wondering if you were all aware of the above? You probably will be but just thought it would be interesting to note ^^

YEEES TITE!!
See. I read his mind. I knew it. xDD

Sorry I just HAD to quote you =p

Damnit! xD lol.

There is very little evidence to support Ichihime in my opinion, but only because as Ichigo is the protagonist of the manga, everyone's looking at him to call the shots in the triangle (especially since we've seen more ichi emotion from both the girls than from him) and so far... he hasnt given us any D: coincidence? I think not (he's lovin' the attention =p) BUT he has interacted more with Rukia, he's done almost everything with her (slept (in the same room) eaten, had a lazy afternoon, fought baddies, schooled, fought more baddies, confronted his pain, almost everything!) with her by his side. If ive learnt anything about true love in my relatively short time on this planet, its that your more likely to fall for some one you've spent that amount of time with ! I.e. If your constantly together (forced or otherwise), Ichihime havent done this as of yet, they've hardly had a moment alone together, and when that (what I thought was going to be major) Ichihime plotline came into affect, it added almost nothing to their relationship (as seen from Ichi's POV)

I do agree most definitely, but I put blame on Orihime for that one. xD She's so timid and shy that she never gives herself the chance to spend one on one time with Ichigo. But that's all just apart of her personality. But she doesn't realize that she's pushing Rukia and Ichigo together with her, "... he doesn't love me the way he does Kuchiki-san.", she'll be without Ichigo forever and definitely lose her chance.

[Mr. DJ]

She's so timid and shy that she never gives herself the chance to spend one on one time with Ichigo.

random...that sentence immediately reminded me of a scene from How High...lolz Smart Girls Gone Bad.

[- HEROiNEx]

random...that sentence immediately reminded me of a scene from How High...lolz Smart Girls Gone Bad.

... rofl
that movie... was the most retarded thing I ever saw in my life
and my 6 year old cousin knows every single word of it. xD
its horrid.

[CMHerrera]

every were ichigo goes rukia seems to be there am I right some time thow in first yea but when she goes back to soul society and come back she mostly with him.

in episode 92 do you think that it shows a sign of i like you?

[yuuk1]

every were ichigo goes rukia seems to be there am I right some time thow in first yea but when she goes back to soul society and come back she mostly with him.

in episode 92 do you think that it shows a sign of i like you?

hmm... to me, not really, since it was a filler, and KT-san doesn't cooperate with fillers, nor does he have any connection to the animation team. Although recently, KT-san cooperated a bit with the upcoming (IchiRuki) BLEACH movie. :D

Though, it's real nice to think of the Pierrot liking IchiRuki (obviously for the money =___=lll)

[CMHerrera]

hmm... to me, not really, since it was a filler, and KT-san doesn't cooperate with fillers, nor does he have any connection to the animation team. Although recently, KT-san cooperated a bit with the upcoming (IchiRuki) BLEACH movie. :D

Though, it's real nice to think of the Pierrot liking IchiRuki (obviously for the money =___=lll)

do you think (movie) that they won't rukia and ichigo together I mean how everything is between them and whats happen and all. ICHRUKI!:D

[Warchef]

I was aware of the interview. Tite didn't say there weren't going to be romantic elements and/or relationships in the story, but that he is actually more focused on non-romantic aspects like character development and their roles in the overall plot. I don't think Kubo, who is an avid shoujo reader, is going to NOT have romantic elements in a story.

Whether this means that there will actually be a hit-you-over-the-head final couple at the end of the manga, whether it's implied, or left open is up to him. I still think romance has some room in the story, especially if it adds drama to the main plot.

[Mr. DJ]

... rofl
that movie... was the most retarded thing I ever saw in my life
and my 6 year old cousin knows every single word of it. xD
its horrid.

bah, it's low brow comedy, but it's good :p

[Ichigo&Rukia]

And I think that Yuzu and Karin would think that, because they've never seen Ichigo bring home a girl except for Tatsuki. I know if my brother never brought home a girl and then one day he did and she asked to stay with us, I would think it as something too. Its all apart of using your head and thinking of all the possible scenario's.

I still level my head about whats possible and what isn't. Really, its a shounen and anything is possible, I respect anyone and everyone who can stand up for what they think all of it means and by all means speak with me about it, but at the same time I'm still going with my Ichigo and no one theory until he finally shouts from the rooftops he loves Rukia Kuchiki. (Oops, guess my IchiRuki-ness came in there. >x>)

You guys are absolutely killing me.
Yes, OF COURSE that Kubo is such a bad writer and makes his characters say something which isn't true. What his family said has not been proved by the manga-ka as wrong EVEN being a funny moment. When Orihime screamed about IshiRuki, it was written by Kubo- "not even close".(or some stuff like this)
Oh, yes, we need Ichigo shouting from rooftops *_* Poor guy, what did crazy fandom turned him into..

[BleachOD]

I was aware of the interview. Tite didn't say there weren't going to be romantic elements and/or relationships in the story, but that he is actually more focused on non-romantic aspects like character development and their roles in the overall plot. I don't think Kubo, who is an avid shoujo reader, is going to NOT have romantic elements in a story.

Whether this means that there will actually be a hit-you-over-the-head final couple at the end of the manga, whether it's implied, or left open is up to him. I still think romance has some room in the story, especially if it adds drama to the main plot.

I totally agree. The big ships aside. Bleach is a ROMANTIC Story. Half the cast have some kind of romantic connection even if it's one sided. Like Geta said Bleach is a cash cow. KT would be a fool to kill millions of shippers dreams...

[- HEROiNEx]

I think it depends.
I don't think he would be a "fool" perse
Look at Tetsuya Nomura with FF7. xD
Many can argue that he picked Aerith or Tifa for Cloud with great proof for both.
Oddly enough, even though its never stated who Cloud picks
FF7 is the greatest FF game of all time for romance AND action, even though it was never supposed to be about Romance. xD
Tetsuya Nomura is now hounded because people loved it so much and he just mainly says, "Tifa or Aerith? Its up to everyones imagination." Even though Aerith had died in the first disc. of the game. Tetsuya Nomura wasn't a fool for leaving it like that. It just left more room for him to get more money with short stories and more games. xDD

In my opinion, it was really smart.
Tite Kubo wouldn't be a fool to leave it hanging.
I think he would be a fool to erase all possibilities.
But if bleach ended in a purely neutral way, I'd say that would be the smartest move a writer could possibly make, IF they want more money. And who doesn't want more money? But unless they're just tired of the series... they COULD just end it in a way that pisses everyone off. rofl.
Example: Inuyasha. Both Manga and Anime. xD

[Ichigo&Rukia]

But if bleach ended in a purely neutral way, I'd say that would be the smartest move a writer could possibly makeVeeery wrong..
Look, IchiOri is nothing in Japan and believe me, I'm interested in Asians(they seem like mysterious people, I love their culture and their way of thinking) and I know this. Also, I have friends from there which I met not in my country(omg, why am I telling you this? xD) and I'm aware of their fandom.
IchiOri has a local fandom smaller than the IchiNel one. It is hard for western IchiOriers to accept that and they deny, but..it is the truth and polls can easily tell. You don't have to be a shipper to see.
Kubo will lose money not making IchiRuki because more than half of Bleach fandom, be it romance or action lovers, supports it. And their merchandises are expensive and people buy them. If a pairing so loved by million people(Kubo doesn't care if it is overrated or not) doesn't happen and is left with absolutely no resolution or an open end, MANY people will be pissed.
If IchiOri happens, he won't lose anything except that small local fandom(and this small local fandom also supports UlqiOri or IshiOri and I bet one of these will happen, Orihime won't be alone in the end, I bet that).
So leaving so much drama unresolved is STUPID. Way more than making pairings. Why would Kubo care for very small amount of fandom( 20 % let's say) when the other 80 % will be totally exploding?
Inuyasha. Both Manga and Anime. xD It is a mistake to compare different mangas, be it similar or from the same genre. The author is different and the story is.

[BleachOD]

In my opinion, it was really smart.
Tite Kubo wouldn't be a fool to leave it hanging.
I think he would be a fool to erase all possibilities.


That was well put. That's how I meant it ...you put it much better.

I don't know anything about FF7...never played it. That's more of my boyfriend's thing.

When I say romance...I don't mean just pairs. ..Heroism and acts of chivalry Hisagi and Kensei's connection is romantic. He saves him the only thing he sees is Kensei's tattoo. He gets tattoo and grows up to become a Shinigami in the 9th squad. That in itself is romantic *it also inspires yoai fangirl dreams of Kensei Hisagi 69 :naughty:* Damn that might be a bad example ...:p

Bleach is a Romantic Manga/Anime. People shout "it's a Shounen so there can't be any romance" Which in my opinion is totally untrue. With ships comes merchandising...KT would be fool to "erase all possibilities"

I notice people continuously compare FF7 ship wars to Bleach's. I don't know crap...but it sounds like Cloud had a choice.

In Bleach ...Ichigo does not have to make a choice. For one thing...He already has. For those of you who say "Nay he hasn't" I say...who has the best chance? The one he has deep bond with...or the girl who's feeling he has yet to notice. Kubo was asked about a triangle...he couldn't answer. There is no triangle...only Circle. (Of destiny titled "THE SAND").

Orihime isn't in the equation. She is only a contender to some because of her feelings. Feelings that only she shares.
We have proof that Ichigo and Rukia SHARE a deep bond.
Ichigo and Orihime have none.:uhoh::heh:
(what choice is faced with? He doesn't even know he has one):twitch:
He could eventually grow to have some...but likewise his feelings for Rukia can only deepen at the same time.

He could indeed sprout feelings for Inoue....but when will it happen? Why is KT taking so long if it will? Why would he he start out Ichigo out sharing a DEEP BOND with Rukia if Orihime is intended for him? Will it be considered "open" If Bleach ends with no public declarations for anyone? Will you just assume...Ichigo noticed Orihime one of those days, while he and Rukia remained friends? What will you assume if Bleach ends with no "Public Declarations" <---I say we had plenty of em...:rolleyes: that, that is proof IchiRuki never existed?
If Inoue doesn't get any resolution for her feelings...will you then look at all the IchiRuki interactions and say..."I guess he loved her after all" or will you say "Looks like Ichigo didn't pick anyone?"

How come you see IchiRuki interactions as proof of friendship but not love?
Can you say you were honestly unaware of Orihime's feelings before the "Five Lifetimes" mush? If you were ....What made you aware of them? Barring that speech how were Orihime's actions any different than Rukia's actions?

Can someone answer me please?

[Ichigo&Rukia]

Od. I can't rep you yet but I love this.

[- HEROiNEx]

But if bleach ended in a purely neutral way, I'd say that would be the smartest move a writer could possibly make
Veeery wrong..
Look, IchiOri is nothing in Japan and believe me, I'm interested in Asians(they seem like mysterious people, I love their culture and their way of thinking) and I know this. Also, I have friends from there which I met not in my country(omg, why am I telling you this? xD) and I'm aware of their fandom.
IchiOri has a local fandom smaller than the IchiNel one. It is hard for western IchiOriers to accept that and they deny, but..it is the truth and polls can easily tell. You don't have to be a shipper to see.
Kubo will not lose money not making IchiRuki because more than half of Bleach fandom, be it romance or action lovers, supports it. And their merchandises are expensive and people buy them. If a pairing so loved by million people(Kubo doesn't care if it is overrated or not) doesn't happen and is left with absolutely no resolution or an open end, MANY people will be pissed.
If IchiOri happens, he won't lose anything except that small local fandom(and this small local fandom also supports UlqiOri or IshiOri and I bet one of these will happen, Orihime won't be alone in the end, I bet that).
So leaving so much drama unresolved is STUPID. Way more than making pairings. Why would Kubo care for very small amount of fandom( 20 % let's say) when the other 80 % will be totally exploding?

Not really. I was saying if you left it neutral you could do so much more with it to get more money. Such as... short stories, video games, movies that advance off of the actual plot, more musicals, ect. ect. Therefore the drama wouldn't be unresolved.

It is a mistake to compare different mangas, be it similar or from the same genre. The author is different and the story is.
I wasn't comparing them. xD I was saying that if an author wanted to get everyone off their back, they could end it in a horrible way. Like Inuyasha. I wasn't saying the story's were similar or that the characters were even. I was just saying Inuyasha ended in a bad way in my opinion and in many others, and KT could take tips if he wants people off his back. -shrugs- Thats all there is too it.


Hisagi and Kensei's connection is romantic. He saves him the only thing he sees is Kensei's tattoo. He gets tattoo and grows up to become a Shinigami in the 9th squad. That in itself is romantic *it also inspires yoai fangirl dreams of Kensei Hisagi 69 * Damn that might be a bad example ...

I agree with you 100% on that.

I notice people continuously compare FF7 ship wars to Bleach's. I don't know crap...but it sounds like Cloud had a choice.

In Bleach ...Ichigo does not have to make a choice. For one thing...He already has. For those of you who say "Nay he hasn't" I say...who has the best chance? The one he has deep bond with...or the girl who's feeling he has yet to notice. Kubo was asked about a triangle...he couldn't answer. There is no triangle...only Circle. (Of destiny titled "THE SAND").

Mmm.
I wouldn't say that Cloud is much different from Ichigo.
But like, it was either Tifa; his bestfriend who he fell in love with at the age of like... I dunno.. 15ish? or something, to the time he lost his memory and even then he still remembered that he did almost everything for her, to impress her, to make her love him, but little did he know she already did love him. -nod- Then he met Aerith, this girl who was very.. sweet and "selfless" much like Orihime in a way, and he vowed to protect her because she was the last of her kind, but he failed to do so and she died and he's been on a guilt trip ever since. xD

Tifa is the one he had more of a deep relationship with, much like IchiRuki and without Tifa, Cloud really wouldn't be who he is in the great FF history. xD But thats just my opinion on it, 'cause many would disagree that it was Aerith who made him who he is.. don't see how, but whatevs.

I don't think anyone can answer those questions except for KT. xD And even he, himself, isn't exactly interested in doing so, and I can see why. Every author never wants to answer the questions that may lead to a pairing to ship, 'cause then it makes them seem bias. xD

[BleachOD]

Not really. I was saying if you left it neutral you could do so much more with it to get more money. Such as... short stories, video games, movies that advance off of the actual plot, more musicals, ect. ect. Therefore the drama wouldn't be unresolved.


I wasn't comparing them. xD I was saying that if an author wanted to get everyone off their back, they could end it in a horrible way. Like Inuyasha. I wasn't saying the story's were similar or that the characters were even. I was just saying Inuyasha ended in a bad way in my opinion and in many others, and KT could take tips if he wants people off his back. -shrugs- Thats all there is too it.



I agree with you 100% on that.



Mmm.
I wouldn't say that Cloud is much different from Ichigo.
But like, it was either Tifa; his bestfriend who he fell in love with at the age of like... I dunno.. 15ish? or something, to the time he lost his memory and even then he still remembered that he did almost everything for her, to impress her, to make her love him, but little did he know she already did love him. -nod- Then he met Aerith, this girl who was very.. sweet and "selfless" much like Orihime in a way, and he vowed to protect her because she was the last of her kind, but he failed to do so and she died and he's been on a guilt trip ever since. xD

Tifa is the one he had more of a deep relationship with, much like IchiRuki and without Tifa, Cloud really wouldn't be who he is in the great FF history. xD But thats just my opinion on it, 'cause many would disagree that it was Aerith who made him who he is.. don't see how, but whatevs.

I don't think anyone can answer those questions except for KT. xD And even he, himself, isn't exactly interested in doing so, and I can see why. Every author never wants to answer the questions that may lead to a pairing to ship, 'cause then it makes them seem bias. xD

you say he isn't different...but he still had more of a relationship with Areith than Ichigo does with Orihime...

Ichigo feels more for Chad, than he does Orihime. It should Ichigo and Rukia or Ichigo and Chad?
like I said before...
Orihime isn't in the equation. She is only a contender to some because of her feelings. Feelings that only she shares.

[- HEROiNEx]

Well due to the difference in situation, i would say its a slight difference.
But cloud wasn't exactly the talkative type. xDDD It was, "Aerith get back!" most of the time, like Ichigo with Orihime. And she was always like, "I hope I get to know the real you." and he would just walk away or nod. He didn't want her involved at all, really and the story goes so much more deeper, but this isn't really the place to talk about it. xD But like IchiRuki and Cloud trusted Tifa to take care of herself in situations, but of course was still right behind her to catch her if she were to ever fall and vice versa. I could continue the similarities in a PM or something. xD

But anyway...

I agree that Orihime really isn't in the equation, but I think its because she doesn't let herself be. Even at the beginning of the Manga, when they're all questioning Rukia about her feelings for Ichigo, Orihime doesn't really say much in the matter and everyone else is speaking for her rather than for herself. Which was a big huge clue that Orihime just plainly can't speak up about her feelings, because she's so inward. And if she can't speak about her feelings, she definitely can't speak to Ichigo, which then leaves her out of the whole equation all together. xDD

[Sinta]

I actually didn't hear about this interview. It seems stupid to me to say that he's not going to focus on a triangle or the romantic parts of the their relationships when it made it so obviously a part of inoue's character. Crap like that pisses me off; makes me feel like he's being dishonest.

[- HEROiNEx]

Perhaps focusing on that for Inoue, was mainly just a plot device to allow her to grow. xD Sometimes love isn't enough and you have to let it go and move on. So you never know, don't get angry, 'cause BLEACH isn't over yet. So we don't really know. Just try to keep your hopes up. nwn

[BleachOD]

Well due to the difference in situation, i would say its a slight difference.
But cloud wasn't exactly the talkative type. xDDD It was, "Aerith get back!" most of the time, like Ichigo with Orihime. And she was always like, "I hope I get to know the real you." and he would just walk away or nod. He didn't want her involved at all, really and the story goes so much more deeper, but this isn't really the place to talk about it. xD But like IchiRuki and Cloud trusted Tifa to take care of herself in situations, but of course was still right behind her to catch her if she were to ever fall and vice versa. I could continue the similarities in a PM or something. xD

But anyway...

I agree that Orihime really isn't in the equation, but I think its because she doesn't let herself be. Even at the beginning of the Manga, when they're all questioning Rukia about her feelings for Ichigo, Orihime doesn't really say much in the matter and everyone else is speaking for her rather than for herself. Which was a big huge clue that Orihime just plainly can't speak up about her feelings, because she's so inward. And if she can't speak about her feelings, she definitely can't speak to Ichigo, which then leaves her out of the whole equation all together. xDD
You are sooooooo neutral! XD. I like real neutral people...some are really shppirs in disguise or denial

[- HEROiNEx]

You are sooooooo neutral! XD. I like real neutral people...some are really shppirs in disguise or denial
-laughing- I am pretty neutral. I think I just am.. naturally. I don't try to be, since I do have my preference, i'm just so... sosososo... level-headed, I guess. rofl. I can never be like, "NO!! Ichiruki forevaaaa" or "ICHIRUKI!? ITS TOTALLY ICHIHIME!" Sometimes I wish I could be. xD Seems like so much fun.

[Sinta]

Perhaps focusing on that for Inoue, was mainly just a plot device to allow her to grow. xD Sometimes love isn't enough and you have to let it go and move on. So you never know, don't get angry, 'cause BLEACH isn't over yet. So we don't really know. Just try to keep your hopes up. nwn

The problem he has in saying "there are other and more interesting parts of their personalities". A large part of inoue's character is her love. What could be more interesting about her personality? What about Ichigo and Rukia? Both of them have pretty much come full circle...I don't know what I'm saying it just seems like a stupid thing to say.

[- HEROiNEx]

WELL.
I don't know, man.
its hard to tell. All you can do is wait and see.

[blue skies]

Bleach is a Romantic Manga/Anime. People shout "it's a Shounen so there can't be any romance" Which in my opinion is totally untrue. With ships comes merchandising...KT would be fool to "erase all possibilities"

Of course there can be romance even if it's shounen, but most of the time the romance takes a back seat to the action, no? There are elements of romance in Bleach, but it's not the main focus of the story and never will be. Really, what little romance there is (with the exception of Orihime's confession) could be taken either way; you could argue that Ichigo just really cares for all his friends, and that they would all go to great lengths for each other. I still haven't seen anything that would make me think he really wants to be more than friends with either girl.

So if they're all just friends then, what the hell. I'm going to start shipping IchigoxTatsuki. :)

How come you see IchiRuki interactions as proof of friendship but not love?
Can you say you were honestly unaware of Orihime's feelings before the "Five Lifetimes" mush? If you were ....What made you aware of them? Barring that speech how were Orihime's actions any different than Rukia's actions?[/I]

Right now, I see their interactions as proof of only a deep friendship. I'm not saying it's impossible for deeper feelings to be there or that they couldn't develop them in time, but their bond seems to be just a friendly one at the moment. As much as I loved Ichigo's pained look in 213, I don't think it necessarily means he loves Rukia. They are very close, so it stands to reason that he'd be so upset--regardless of whether he feels something else for her or not. I think Kubo's been putting a heavy emphasis on friendship/nakama, whatever, and that makes me wonder more than anything if he intends to take Ichigo's relationship with Rukia (or any girl) any further. At this point, I doubt any pairing will be set in stone by the end of the manga.

As for Orihime's feelings, I was pretty aware that she had a thing for Ichigo early on. I didn't know it was love, but it was fairly obvious that she had a massive crush on the guy, especially by the end of the SS arc. Then her feelings skyrocketed and now she's gonna love him for five lifetimes. I don't like what unrequited love does to her character--she feels inadequate, gets jealous, cries more than usual and generally annoys me. I still love her, but she needs some kind of resolution to get back to the good ol' funny, cheerful Inoue. Whether that means her feelings will be reciprocated or she'll just learn to deal and become a stronger person, I don't know, but something needs to happen. I'm going to be brutally honest here--even though I ship IchiRuki, part of me wants to see Ichigo fall for her because I feel sorry for her and I'm getting sick of waiting for her to change. I want her to move on more than anything, but I don't know if that's going to happen. And yes, her actions are different than Rukia's--she worries more and isn't confident where Ichigo is concerned, but she's also gentler and more emotional. Everyone knows she's got a thing for Ichigo except Ichigo.

But if her feelings are returned in the near future, it would feel totally fake to me. While the possibility for development is still there on his part, Orihime also has some growing to do if she's going to get Ichigo to notice her. If IchiHime was really destined to be, Kubo should have started laying the foundation for it ages ago. For me, it's already too little, too late--it would just feel funny if they ended up together. I'm not about to rule it out though, even though I don't particularly like the pairing. But if they do end up together, hey, whatever. I'll probably just laugh myself silly.

[asam_laksa]

Kubo Tite just said that Bleach isn't really a love triangle story between Ichigo, Rukia and Orihime.

But that doesn't mean there's no love story existence in Bleach. It just doesn't involved them, all three together; ie Ichigo, Rukia and Orihime.

For all we know, it might involves IchigoxOrihimexAizen.:) Or, IchimaruxMatsumotoxShuuhei. Or HinamorixHitsugayaxOrihime. Or MatsumotxHitsugayaxOrihime......anyone, but not the three.

Which is probably why they had Ichigo==main character, Rukia==semi-main character, Orihime==heroine.

Rukia is going to get her own story.

[BleachOD]

^^He was asked about Orihime's role..no one else.







As for Orihime's feelings, I was pretty aware that she had a thing for Ichigo early on. I didn't know it was love, but it was fairly obvious that she had a massive crush on the guy, especially by the end of the SS arc.

. Thanks for answering those questions blue. I want to respond to all of it and I will. However I must ask...How was it obvious? How were her actions any different from Rukia's? How is it that one is an obvious crush and the other is only possibly romantic but could be more than friendship? (Leave the confession scene out of this equation)

How come they both have acted the same in different situations, yet only one actions is indicative of love the other not really more than friendship?

[Hari Michiru]

Which is probably why they had Ichigo==main character, Rukia==semi-main character, Orihime==heroine.

Rukia is going to get her own story.


Since when was it offical that Orihime was the heroine.

[BleachOD]

No, please, we already went through a long, long discussion on that.

Seconded

Someone answers OD'S questions please (if you can):uhoh:

:heh:

[Hari Michiru]

Seconded

Someone answers OD'S questions please (if you can):uhoh:

:heh:

Orihime is more official (in terms of having a crush/loving Ichigo) than Rukia because she said it in your face. xD

[blue skies]

Thanks for answering those questions blue. I want to respond to all of it and I will. However I must ask...How was it obvious? How were her actions any different from Rukia's? How is it that one is an obvious crush and the other is only possibly romantic but could be more than friendship? (Leave the confession scene out of this equation)

How come they both have acted the same in different situations, yet only one actions is indicative of love the other not really more than friendship?

I guess it's just how I perceive it, lol. Her crush was obvious to me from the beginning--pretty much from the time when she said she could smell him from a mile away or whatever. You just don't notice things like that about a person unless you're completely obsessed with them. Then she talks with Tatsuki and goes to the SS and all that, so I don't think her crush has ever been a big secret.

To me, her actions are different from Rukia's in that she's gentler where Ichigo is concerned. Rukia is very brash and blunt--I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but Orihime's gentleness and kindness seem to effect him too. She's very indecisive with Ichigo while Rukia is not, which isn't good. But she did persuade him to go to the SS when he was having second thoughts, and she wants to make him happy. I guess it's just my perspective again, and the fact that I'm a fairly oblivious person--I need things to be spelled out for me, dammit. Rukia hasn't done anything that makes me think she loves Ichigo, and vice versa. The possibility is there for their relationship to be taken to the next level--they certainly have a wonderful foundation for it, whereas Orihime's feelings are still one-sided and she still doesn't have much of a relationship with Ichigo. Or maybe their relationship has already developed romantic tendencies and I'm too dense to pick up on it. But I guess I'm just like those evil IchiHime shippers--just the fact that she loves him makes it a possibility for me. They both need to grow and develop, but stranger things have happened.

[BleachOD]

Orihime is more official (in terms of having a crush/loving Ichigo) than Rukia because she said it in your face. xD

That's the only real difference...

[Scarlett_Rain55]

Veeery wrong..
Look, IchiOri is nothing in Japan and believe me, I'm interested in Asians(they seem like mysterious people, I love their culture and their way of thinking) and I know this. Also, I have friends from there which I met not in my country(omg, why am I telling you this? xD) and I'm aware of their fandom.
IchiOri has a local fandom smaller than the IchiNel one. It is hard for western IchiOriers to accept that and they deny, but..it is the truth and polls can easily tell. You don't have to be a shipper to see.
Kubo will lose money not making IchiRuki because more than half of Bleach fandom, be it romance or action lovers, supports it. And their merchandises are expensive and people buy them. If a pairing so loved by million people(Kubo doesn't care if it is overrated or not) doesn't happen and is left with absolutely no resolution or an open end, MANY people will be pissed.
If IchiOri happens, he won't lose anything except that small local fandom(and this small local fandom also supports UlqiOri or IshiOri and I bet one of these will happen, Orihime won't be alone in the end, I bet that).
So leaving so much drama unresolved is STUPID. Way more than making pairings. Why would Kubo care for very small amount of fandom( 20 % let's say) when the other 80 % will be totally exploding?
It is a mistake to compare different mangas, be it similar or from the same genre. The author is different and the story is.

You know I'd respect Kubo more if he didn't cater to the majority and write what HE wants to happen, not what the majority of the fandom wants. Just like JK Rowling with the whole Harry/Ginny thing.

[CMHerrera]

Okay, so it seems rukia really doesn't care about being in love or anything right now all she is careing about her work and her job as a soul reaper, and she sees ichigo as friend. But there is still a chance for them to get to gether because they are close. But as blue skies says Orihime is much kinder and sweeter to ichigo. Because she has a crush with him. Orihime seems to put her kindeness out even in danger. I don't know who I am a fan of now with all this.:eyespin:

[- HEROiNEx]

You know I'd respect Kubo more if he didn't cater to the majority and write what HE wants to happen, not what the majority of the fandom wants. Just like JK Rowling with the whole Harry/Ginny thing.
My hero~ Officially. xD

[Hari Michiru]

That's the only real difference...

Yeah, pretty much.

You know I'd respect Kubo more if he didn't cater to the majority and write what HE wants to happen, not what the majority of the fandom wants. Just like JK Rowling with the whole Harry/Ginny thing.


That ending made me hate Harry Potter SO MUCH :frustrated:

[Ichigo&Rukia]

Kubo Tite just said that Bleach isn't really a love triangle story between Ichigo, Rukia and Orihime.

But that doesn't mean there's no love story existence in Bleach. It just doesn't involved them, all three together; ie Ichigo, Rukia and Orihime.

For all we know, it might involves IchigoxOrihimexAizen.:) Or, IchimaruxMatsumotoxShuuhei. Or HinamorixHitsugayaxOrihime. Or MatsumotxHitsugayaxOrihime......anyone, but not the three.

Which is probably why they had Ichigo==main character, Rukia==semi-main character, Orihime==heroine.

Rukia is going to get her own story.
Stupid interpretations...
This is how you want it to be. IchiOriAi? Please.
HitsuHinaHime?
IchiRenRuki is the real love triangle in Bleach but anyway..

[BleachOD]

Yeah, pretty much.




:It is....see I posted this way back. Every action that Inoue has that was representative of her love for Ichigo...Rukia has done the same. (yet hers is not considered expressions of love):twitch:
Take a look for yourself...:uhoh:
@POP...you too. Then you will see why my shipping glasses are always on. It can't be viewed without them:heh:

@Searching...No. The animators have the right to change it, once they buy it. They often do. Which is why most people prefer the manga over their anime counterparts. i.e Samurai Deeper Kyo. Naruto,Bleach &Death Note.

Except for the last half of the bounto arc. And the Ashido arc. Kubo has said in an interview with Ichigo's Seiyuu...He hardly has time to work on the manga...So he is not involved with the anime at all. Except the times I mentioned above.



The "Filler Ichigo hand-holding"was a joke Next person calls him a pedobear...DIES!

@ Shumei

Great post!

But I have to note...

What you are describing is LOVE. Love is not a feeling (That's lust and has more to do with your libido than your heart). It is a behavior. The way Ichigo and Rukia behave toward one another is indicative love is present. And those reasons that you listed (Finding what they longed for in each other) Is exactly the kind of things that makes people fall in love.Your post is actually saying the same things I have said and posted...Ohh so many times. (You were much more eloquent) Except I do see the romantic attachment. Funny that...

If I didn't know better I would think you are and IchiRuki shipper

Curiosity makes me ask...Just what do you define as romance between two people?



@Warchef, as soon as someone actually understands the challenge and follows the example I've given, I have nothing further to add. Understand? You mean posting only part of scene. (That REALLY was subjective. ) and a filler scene?





Oh OD, you're the same, all talk and no proof. Everything you present is open to interpretation. And you know you like Amirali's sig, its hot! Son if it were a dice game. Every time I replied it would be considered "Head Crack" I posted plenty of proof.
And what do you think you accomplished by posting part of scene...One in which you purposely tried to mislead people into to thinking it was an expression of love between them. When in reality Ichigo was half-dead unaware of her presence, and he was not a willing participant. And you left out the most crucial part...She says "I can't" Because she knows Ichigo does not love her and loves Rukia

You know something...He's always awake when he says hello and goodbye to Rukia. Why is that?
The second had both characters OOC and is a FILLER! .

See you're hiding behind false bravado. The reality of it is... you don't have anything to post.
*Giggles ass off*

You can't post NOT ONE Image of the imaginary relationship Inoue and Ichigo have. NOT ONE image where she is not dogging his heels or insinuating herself into Ichigo's life.NOT ONE where he thinks about her. Not one Hello or goodbye that Ichigo was not half-dead in, not present at all, or where it didn't get interrupted. NOT ONE of Ichigo begging her to look at him. NOT ONE of Ichigo vowing over and over he'd save her. (Only once and he mentioned everyone) NOT ONE of Ichigo thinking about her kidnapping. NOT ONE where he smiles a happy, bright shining smile. NOT ONE image where he is treating her like more than aquaintance. And if Nakama isn't special. Then neither is Orihime. Ichigo has said Orihime is ONE OF HIS NAKAMA.


@Kyu, HT & Sensei...to much to copy and paste and some of you guys are saying the same things...

@Sensei...One you posted fillers. Two the second image just confirms what we already knew. Ichigo was scared of his hollow

@Amir.. One Ichigo didn't know of his hollow's existence. He met him once before but Had no idea just who he was. If someone took over your body, without your permission. I think you would fight to get it out of it.. His pride had nothing to do with it. He wanted to run not fight. He fought because he had no choice..if was about him doing all the saving then he would not have railed at yourichi "Why didn't you leave me and save Rukia? I had the best chance to survive" So he didn't care who did as long as she was saved.Byakuya is Rukia's brother... Her only family. He wouldn't have killed him.

Last if he cared as much about Inoue he wouldn't have healed Grimmjow just so he could fight him. Inoue's safety should have come first.


@Ht

The first Image is her staring at the rooftop, Ichigo and Ishida is having lunch that is who she is looking at. Read the damn manga...Because you misremember a lot of things.

The second ...Like Jazz said. That's a chapter cover. Even if were fan service why is it only those two? How come there are no chapter covers with Ichigo and Inoue, only group?

The third...You say it's concern over a friend
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/Bleach-03-07-10.png
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/Bleach-03-07-13.png

but Here Inoue does the same thing yet ...It's love? What is the difference?
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/whatsthedifferencebetweenthisOrihme.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/whatsthedifferencebetweenthisOri-1.jpg

the fourth
The vow...Made by both Ichigo and Renji. Most ReniRuki *Barf* Viruses will tell you that is one of the reasons they're willing accept that affliction and do not try to cure it. Vibes book of Souls Kubo so says "The two who felt the same feelings" and goes on to say that they were both trying because they both felt the same. Renji loves Rukia as a man loves a woman. He may have even had a shot. But he blew it and now it's IchiRuki.

Image five...You don't see a noted difference when you compare this
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/manga-rainbleach-ch152-09.png
to this?

Why is it Ichigo doesn't tell Nell to run away with Inoue and protect Orihime with her lifehttp://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/DOESNTCAREASMUCH2.jpg


This is for you and kyu..
Six
The scolding by Byakuya
Let's look at acid wire
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/NOTTHESAMEACIDWIRE.jpg

Now SS arc...For one thing look at the difference of emotions. The anger and rage he displays.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/manga-rainbleach-ch160-13.png
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/manga-rainbleach-ch160-14.png
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/160-15.jpg


Last look at HM.
.http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/reasonforHMGRIMMJOW1.jpg


.This is why I posted Byakuya scolding. Very stark contrast to HM'S Ichigo. HM's Ichigo didn't think about any of those things.

Seven
Those are full page spreads. People present disappear. Never happens with Inoue. And that hand holding was a filler! That did not happen in the manga. (However Ichigo and Rukia have and he carries her on his back all the time)
And the filler Ichigo holding her hand was a joke. Never would I call him a pedobear.
Kubo said in book of vibes Rukia was overcome and tried to hold back the feelings and happiness when she saw him at the Soukyoku


Last images...I bet you can't see them. That's an excuse because you have nothing but fillers and no chapter that mentions destiny and devoted to Ichigo and Orihime unlike "The Sand" Which is all about Ichigo and Rukia being fated to meet each other

@Kyu...No Grimmow doesn't know Rukia ...but he was there and he saw Ichigo's reaction both times (Gutting and the near cero to the head) when it came to Rukia. Grimm already said that Ichigo disgusts him because no matter how he is losing, he still believes he is going to win. So it's not about pride... His lost came from the fact that Rukia was hurt and he could do nothing to stop it nor avenge her...

Grimjows, Ichigo's and Zaraki's statement contradicts Nel's and like I said before that was to reprimand Inoue for her fear...not emphasize her importance to Ichigo. And like I said before she didn't cheer him. If anything her not having faith saddened him. Not gave him strength. He needs to prove to himself that he can protect his friends.


You misunderstood me. I was talking about getting his powers back to save Rukia. Urahara told him it would be a life or death situation and he did not hesitate. His mind was already made up before he ran into Inoue.
Invented the reason? No you forgot the order of events...

This is how it went
he tries to apologize..Again just like SS he can't look at Rukia. He has no problem looking at Inoue http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/REASONFORSEEKINGVIZARDS1.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/REASONFORSEEKINGVIZARDS2JPG.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/REASONFORSEEKINGVIZARDS3JPG.jpg

THEN THIS HAPPENED....
Notice that as he thinks about Ulq & Yammi. He has a determined look. But when he thinks about Grimmjow. It's turns to rage and hatred. Why? Yammi whipped his ass too and hurt 3 of his friends. Yet he's madder at Grimmjow. Why? Both times he was saved by someone else's intervention. How come only the Grimmjow fight wounded his pride. If it were me. Knowing a MOFO I could beat is walking around thinking they can't catch a bad one. I would whip their asses first.*Yams* (But that's just me. I used to fight a lot). friendshttp://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/ichigosfeelingsforVIZARDS.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/ichigosfeelingsforVIZARDS2.jpg

The Vizards already sought him out. He should have gone to them then, when he lost the first time. But he did not until Rukia got hurt. I did not invent the reason ...Kubo did.

I can disregard Nel (And Ichigo, Grimm and Zaraki actually add credence to what I am saying)
l for the same reason you use to disregard this
Oh notice the last is not only Inoue speaking but the title of the chapter

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/InouesaffirmationofICHIRUKI.png
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/InouesaffirmationofICHIRUKI-2.png
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/InouesaffirmationofICHIRUKI3PNG.jpgNo title chapters like that for Inoue


And I am tired of people saying There is no proof of Rukia's feelings so...

What's the difference between this
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/oRIHIMESFEELINGS.jpg

and this
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/Rukiasfeelings.jpg

Or this
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/SamethingforoRIHME3JPG.jpg
and thishttp://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/SamethingasOrihime-1.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/SamethingforRukiaJPG-1.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/SamethingforRukia3JPG-1.jpg

were asked and both tried to front and lie. Inoue was more honest because Tatsuki was her friend. Rukia pauses a moment before she lies (In that phony voice) and says he is just a friend. Then she goes on to ponder "Love & Companionship" The things that she'd been longing for. And it's about Ichigo...No one else

However KG said a long time ago that Tatsuki was the first hint not that Orihime liked Ichigo. I say this was the first clue that Rukia felt the same. Someone please tell me how one situation says love (Orihime) But Rukia's version (which is shown in more detail) IS NOT an indication that there is something more than MERE FRIENDSHIP...between these two?

I noticed the so-called neutrals (Some of you are really IchiRuki and Some are really IchiOri...Kyu manages to be all three.<--Amazing. Got Cookie for it, because that's impressive):heh:...Agreed with Shumei's posts. But all of you overlooked the fact that she/he said "It irks me when people try to undermine Ichigo and Rukia's Relationship. Rukia is not equal to the rest. She is more than that to Ichigo." She also agreed it doesn't have to be romantic...but if it were than it's more than likely possible it will be between Ichigo and Rukia.

Yet you all are trying to prove that she is...nothing but a friend

Kubo showed the difference in Ichigo's feelings. Here is his reasoning in SS
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/RUNNINGISPOINTLESSSSARC1.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/RUNNINGISPOINTLESSSSARC2.png

AND HERE AGAIN
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/ImustkeepgoingforwardSSarc.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/ImustkeepgoingforwardSS-2arc.png

Now in HM he started out with the same attitude
ALL THE ESPADAShttp://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/iCHIGOSLOGICBEFORERUKIASWASPRESUMED.jpg

Only to do a 360 here
This doesn't make sense. He Knew Chad had fallen "I am in hurry I have to save Chad & Rukia" Yet he did not turn around. Amir you keep arguing that they are just as important no diffrence. But this is not the reaction he had when he felt chad go down. He continued forward. At that point Orihime was in less danger of the two (Although Ichigo really had no way of knowing that.)
But it was only Rukia near death state that he all of sudden went from " I must beat all the espada" to " I have no reason to fight you" Chad went down and even though he intended on saving him. He still pressed on to save Orihime. In SS...He did not try and talk Zaraki out of fight. And he made it clear twice...that he was in hurry. http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/NOREASONTOFIGHTYOU1JPG.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/NOREASONTOFIGHTYOU2JPG.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/NOREASONTOFIGHTYOU3JPG.png

In SS when he spoked to Renji....He didn't name anyone specfic he just said "No matter who tries to stop me I will beat them all" He didn't say "That's right I came to fight you and Byakuya" So it was not pride.

Right now Ichigo is fighting for his pride, and Orihime's rescue is secondary. He wants to save her ...but more so prove to himself that he can. And this arc has had no romance...Unlike the SS arc which was full of it.

These pages prove it. He mentions Inoue but she is grouped with everyone and he makes it clear he came to get back at certain individuals not just save the world or just for Orihime
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/M7_Bleach_Ch279_18.png

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/M7_Bleach_Ch285_18.png

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/M7_Bleach_Ch285_19.pnghttp://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/M7_Bleach_Ch285_20.png

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/bleachch31312pngve0.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/13.png

In conclusion. Ichigo sought the Vizards because of Rukia. Kyu and Gus helped prove that Shinji came to him before they were all injured but He didn't go to them until Rukia got hurt and he confirmed Grimmjows accusations . SO NO...HE WAS NOT FIGHTING HIM FOR ORIHIME. if he were Rukia should have been left out of the conversation. And he declared he'd save Inoue (Along with everyone ...not just saying her) after he beats the people who has grudges against.

Two of em injured Rukia and the third... Ulq his pride

He did not want to fight Ulq even after he got mad in Orhime's stead. He was already trying to go to Rukia so he said "Nel back away. It 's seems that no matter what I do this guy will not let me pass. I'm in hurry... so I must go all out" He was talking about Rukia.
Rukia is different than all the others...Kubo keeps showing it time and time again.
For that moment everyone was forgotten...except Rukia.

And that look he gave Orihime does not compare to this one...
Notice stalker girl didn't really give a damn about Rukia and stared at Ichigo the whole time...here and posted above. I bet she was hoping Rukia would die...http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/bleach-ch213-08.png
And the apology was shown from Orihime's prospective not Ichigo's. When he thought about it he thought about all THREE OF THEM! Not just "Jiggly"

Both Ichigo and Rukia are aware of Inoue's feelings. They were told and Rukia being a woman who loves Ichigo can see it Inoue's eyes. That's why she made him apologize. Ichigo likewise knows but it hasn't made the slightest difference in his attitude towards Orihime

She did not cheer him on...She accepted his defeat. The need to prove to her that he would honor is vow to protect his friends is what gave him the strength. That and her fear






Take a look and tell me what you think.

[- HEROiNEx]

IchiRenRuki is the real love triangle in Bleach but anyway..
Isn't that your interpretation?
If many can argue that Ichigo doesn't feel the same way as Orihime
Then many can put the argument that Rukia doesn't feel the same as Renji
Which would lead Renji not to be a contender in the love triangle.
-shrugs- Sure, they were child hood friends. But I could use every other point of IchiRuki evidence against any RenjixRukiaxIchigo triangle, the same way I could for OrihimexIchixRukia and vice versa.

[Amirali]

Since when was it offical that Orihime was the heroine.

Ah, I'd like to apologize for snapping at you earlier. You asked a relevant question. Long story short, Kubo apparently said something in a radio interview about Orihime becoming a heroine in Bleach. The authenticity is disputed (although I personally think the evidence says it happened). The two best posts I could find on either side of the discussion are below. If you want the full discussion, it's around post number 4600 in this thread.

At any rate , whether Orihime is a heroine or not should not be of much relevance.
YOU PEOPLE. Geez Louise, how you argue over the color of an ant's tooth. I've sat on my hands to keep from adding to the heart, figurines, filler, panel sequence of faces before Rukia "dies" fusses, but because the integrity of this or that person in fandom may be in question here and people don't know the story, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE KUBO INTERVIEW WITH ORIHIME'S SEIYUU deal.

It was first touted as a "Kubo reveals that Orihime is a heroine" sort of scoop and was supposed to be included on a CD purchased by a reliable translator at Bleach Asylum.


http://bleachasylum.com/showpost.php?p=149898&postcount=688


The CD was purchased, listened to, and apparently the part about the heroine was "edited out" although to the best of my knowledge, Danna does say that the interview exists. She did not hear anything about the heroine business and does not claim to.

However, she does believe in hearsay from 2ch.

Here is the most relevant post, which Asam correctly quoted.

http://bleachasylum.com/showpost.php?p=150485&postcount=708


What I find especially telling (and hilarious) is that this interview, if real, doesn't at all show that Kubo was announcing Orihime's prominence over Rukia in the story. If indeed he asked the question he's reported to have asked the seiyuu, he was asking why he wasn't having an interview with the seiyuu of the character "who changed Ichigo's World."

This story is old in shipping circles; like many IchiOri bits of spectacular evidence, it fizzled to nothing when brought to the light of day and IchiOri fans do not tout it around as evidence for their pairing. A few people however do irresponsibly repeat the rumor that "Kubo said Orihime was the new heroine of Bleach."

Over and out. Happy Shipping.

*sighed*
http://ex24.2ch.net/wcomic/

Warchef, please click the above and enter into the wonderful world of 2chan. You would not be able to understand how ignorant and inconsiderate you are, until you enter the website. It's the website that spacecat and Danna(yes, the person who posted the 'rumors' about Orihime being the new heroine') go to, to get weekly Bleach spoilers.

And if you had entered there(that's really a good first step), you would notice that, other than Bleach.....there are other mangas discussion on that websites, eg: Naruto, D-GrayMan, School Rumble, HunterxHunter. Notice carefully again, you would notice that in each of the links that leads to manga discussion......you would see specific numbers inside each of the link.

This week's Bleach manga spoiler, where spacecat and Danna are going to get and post it in Bleach asylum would be in either Bleach*634, Bleach *635, Bleach*636.

Why in either one of the pages?
Bleach *634
http://ex24.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/wcomic/1213084972/
If you were to notice on your left side.....you would see numbers increasing as you scroll down. These numbers represent the numbers of posts in that thread. Once the numbers of posts reach 999 number of posts, it automatically changes to another new thread of discussion, so for in this case of thread, it will carry out in Bleach*635.

How do people know which weekly Bleach spoilers are true / not? Two ways....
a) scans of manga pictures......spacecat would post the pictures whose links are written in the URL form....sometimes these scans are not reliable, as there are chances that it's modified.

b) through the IDs of the people who previously posted true spoilers.
You see in each of the posts, there are a stringed of IDs on the right.

Each computer, which posts inside the 2chan's thread discussion has a unique, special stringe of IDs which cannot be copied by others. For instance(are you still in that website, Warchef??)

ID:yJZlZMvq0, ID:yJZlZMvq0 ID:XsaQSaX4O ID:yffoWHBG0

The moment, the person who regularly post the weekly spoiler, on 2chan, identified by the stringed ids that he/she usually used.....spacecat would be able to post it on Bleach Asylum.

Now, Warchef, if you are still with me...... try and recall what I had posted earlier about Danna's posts, the bolded and underlined one.


Danna, as usual as how she goes around snooping for the real spoilers had to check their IDs to make sure that the people she talked/conversed to are different people, or at least different computers at the same time frame.



Here's the thing Warchef......why I think your demands are like asking me to go and grab the moon for you.

1) Even if I were to know Danna's stringed IDs, to verify that it actually happened....I don't even know which channel/thread discussion she had conversation with the other Japaneses. It could either be in either
a) Orihime's thread discussion (notice the number by the side)
http://anime3.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/cchara/1212366443/601-700

b) IchigoxOrihime's thread discussion(notice the number by the side)
http://anime3.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/anichara2/1212894447/101-200

c) IchigoxOrihimexRukia's thread discussion(notice the number by the side).
http://anime3.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/csaloon/1213373607/201-300

2) The rumors started at the middle of last year. The radio interview was in the month of March, last year. The problem with 2chan, even if I try to want to please to your smart-ass demands.....the old threads ceased to exist. Remember what I said, once the 999 posts for that thread had reach, the next thread with a added +1 number would be created, and the old one would just disappear after a few weeks. Danna's conversation with the Japanese in 2chan was last year. How do you think am I going to check it out for you, to satisfy your 'curiousity' :eyebrow:or to be more exact 'denial'?

3) Such demands.....

I don't think I need to mention this that 2chan is a place where Japanese from all around Japan 'meet up online' and 'converse' with each other, do I? You can think that for yourself by seeing how 2chan format works, don't you? But first you need to study Japanese, in order to see how these people talked.

Bleach Asylum or other English forums for that matter is not 2chan's style. Because it's shared by other current mangas crazed, it doesn't have the luxury of people starting trivial threads like, 'Hongyouku, inside Rukia's body when small or big?', 'The next power upgrade, after Vaizard level' , 'Is Yamamoto going to die/retire?', 'Your favourite Bleach female/male character' 'Here, here Kubo Tite says Orihime is going to be the New Heroine' etcc.

Most of that discussions are carried out under either the character's thread discussion or the pairing's discussion thread.

4) Unlike the Bleach forums that you find it here, there is no 2chan's search button luxury facility. How do you expect me to answer your challenge

Why don't you teach me how to carry it out that challenge of yours?

It pays a lot not to be persistent Warchef, especially when you know yourself that you don't know anything.


Gomen nasai, el cielo, I had to write to you a little bit late.....because of some other things that needed my attention.

I'm sorry, in a sense I did not listen to the CD itself, when it was ripped off by Danna. I kinda had a disagreement with Danna(I mentioned something like being a heroine, doesn't mean must be Ichigo's love interest.....it could be Aizen's love interest:p). So, I'm not sure whether it's still around or not.

It's Bleach B Station Volume 6. With the picture cover that has Ukitake and Ichigo in it.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb64/udanna/Image063.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb64/udanna/Image064.jpg

The content inside the CD IS

However......because it's in the CD form, it only takes in certain portion of the radio programme (which I believe should be at least more than 30 minutes.).

Take it as you will, whether you want to believe it or not for Danna said in regards to the radio programme, el cielo


Firstly, this is the actual conversations in the radio programme

3/5のと、3/12にあったラジオトーク2回分だよ
The radio's talk have two parts on March 5 and 12

3/5
March 5

織姫がヒロインに決まった経緯
How come that Orihime was decided to be a Heroine.
(Sadly, this part was cut in the CD)

物まね
Voice Immitation

乳トーク（これが一番長い）
Boobs' talk (This was the longest conversation and it was edited as well :cry )

織姫も卍解したい
Orihime also want to do 'BANKAI'

This one that Nocturne mentioned at BA, Morita directed Yuki to voice Orihime. You can hear him screaming 'OKAY~!!' and moe-ing after her voice. :rotflmao
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'Bankai'
Yuki : ba~nkai!, I just want to say.
TON!
Morita : Matsuoka-chan, 'bankai' is slightly wrong, you know
Yuki : LOL~ 'bankai' is just too loud.
Morita : It's weird if you don't make it sound stronger.
Yuki : stronger?
Morita : Ah...Yuki-chan heard 'bankai' many times? 'Ban' in Bankai have a different feeling if you don't put the power in it...Umm..
Yuki : So could you please try it?
TON!
Moita : What? what?
TON!
Yuki : The example of 'Bankai'
Morita : The example of 'Bankai'? Ah..then listen to it.

BANKAI!!!

Yuki : Is it ok if Orihime do such a thing? *giggle*
Morita : You can't turn back now just because of this
Yuki : lol~ I already want to quit it.
Morita : ahhh~~....I want you to try this. Please...please just one more time *cries like a baby*
Yuki : Yeah ok~ so what's about 'I just want to say'?
TON!
Morita : 'I just want to say' is ok. Here in the last part of the script also has ... and !, so I will leave this to you to do it, Yuki-chan
Yuki : Yeah, I understand, so ...
TON!
Morita : Ok Ok so, one more time! Now you are a human seiyu who has bankai.
Yuki : so, I will become Super seiyu?
TON!
Morita : You can do it ! You can do it! We will become super seiyu duo!

~~ bla bla bla about super seiyu

Morita : so, one last time 'Bankai, I just want to say' GO!

Yuki :

BANKAI!!!..I just want to say...!

Morita : (Moe-ing)
----------------------------------------------------------

3/12
March 12

ホラートーク
Horror talk

謎解系ミステリーがすき
I like the mystery's solution

関西弁、江戸っ子講座
Kansai dialect, the true Tokyoite's course.

織姫が普段たべている物
Food that Orihime normally eat.

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In the CD, it was edited into the new order as

The Opening talk
Message from Ukitake's VA
Food that Orihime normally eat
Voice Immitation
Orihime also want to do 'BANKAI'
Q&A (letters from fans)

Note: In the beginning of the CD Morita was happy that Yuki said 'I rejected Morita-kun!' 'cause she'd added kun in it. He said had it been just 'Morita' he'd be sad. So, even if he got rejected he's very happy. lmao~
I will try to translate the summary of the Heroine's conversation by tonight xD

So, apparently there was this two section of radio programme that involved Orihime's seiyuu, that was too much for a CD to captured.

As for Kubo Tite being intervied inside the radio programmes.......didn't he appear in front of that Syzael's seiyuu on invitation recently?


I don't think Kubo Tite actually really stated down that Rukia is his main female lead and Orihime was not......it's just I believe another people's assumption that Rukia is his main female lead and Orihime isn't.

I do think together with the bleach pilot, with Rukia, Ichigo and Orihime in it.....it's again assumed that Orihime would be a main character together with Ichigo and Rukia. Unless.....Orihime is a short-dark hair girl with flat breasts.....wait a minute, I made a Rukia out of Orihime. Bleach pilot is with SOULS by the way.

My assumption is just as equally as good as your assumption....if you know what I mean. If I were to look from the Bleach pilot's POV, I would assume that because of the three characters in Bleach.....were in pilot Bleach, they would be the main characters.


Heroine -- doesn't necessarily mean love interest. It means 'SAVE THE WORLD' well, in my definition. Now that I looked through Danna's posts.......*sighed* I hate it. I hate IchigoxOrihime to be together.


As you think:) What do you think of IchiKiai?

My official explaination would be.....I hate IchigoOrihime, I hate IchigoRukia. I love AizenOrihime, I love RenjiRukia; I just love AizenOrihime better. Hence, I used for myself IchiKiai, in aligned with IchiHime and AiOri in aligned with RenRuki.

There's something dirty and special about AiOri that I would not want to share with the word IchiOri.

Hope you understand, I'm am quite zealous with my pairing, so the names are important to me.

Besides.....IchiKiai rolls well in my tongue......you can consider me then to be a closet IchiKiai fan. :) Most people don't believe me, especially them.:heh: You are my first one who really do.


A picture is worth a thousand words. Not all people's thousand words of essays are similar to each other. I hope you understand that. You can say that Rukia's eating Ichigo's meat(that he got it from Orihime's plate) but even then, when I see Ichigo looking at the other way, I would be thinking 'What kind of lover is he'. Come to think of it, I remembered why I disliked Ichigo in the beginning. By the way he mistreat Rukia.

By the way....from Danna's one again.

Take it as you will.;)


Expectations. Not the things in the past. By the way, do you really think that their separation in Soul Society, chapter 181 was a bittersweet one?


That's all? It sounds very much like Miroku and Sango. Are you a fan of them?


Taken from debbiechan's picture folder. Don't blame me.


So say you. Front pocket, if it's on the left side is usually near the heart, where the left boobs are in. And as far as I remembered my old post, I did mentioned something about the usage of the thumb and the postion of the thumb.....it's awkward people using thumb pointing to the heart......unless if that person used the thumb to emphasize herself in the middle of the chest.(she has a breasts).

Feel free to think that she is pointing to her heart. I still don't think she does.


I think my emphasize to debbiechan had been that they wanted to portray Bleach figures in Karakura school uniforms, and not in shinigami uniforms.....hence that Rukia figurine is produced together with the others who are dressed in are dressed in school uniform ones also. Unlike Orihime's 'Memories in The Rain' posture......there's no other figures that can imitate like her's.:love:

I don't know about your shops....but mine requires them to buy everything in boxsets.....including Ichigo, Renji, Ikkaku etc, if I just want to buy Rukia's one.



As you stated it's long....can I not answer them?

I don't think you would be suprised that I spent one night to write this. However, since you took your time to write this long post(I do appreciate them).....am I right to guess that you find my posts interesting and easy to understand?:)[/QUOTE]

If anyone wants to broach this discussion again, it is of course their right. I would suggest there's not much point though.

[BleachOD]

Thanks for that...Rukia is Heroine. Orihime is second...that's the end of story. Please this discussion is circular enough! No more...Pretend whichever one you want is the heroine and let it go.

Edited post above and added whole post.

[CMHerrera]

Sense it is shonen this is mabe all about crushs Ichigo gain power and protecting his friends and fightning no love. It might end with no one geting no one. And it would start again then comes the love.

[BleachOD]

Isn't that your interpretation?
If many can argue that Ichigo doesn't feel the same way as Orihime
Then many can put the argument that Rukia doesn't feel the same as Renji
Which would lead Renji not to be a contender in the love triangle.
-shrugs- Sure, they were child hood friends. But I could use every other point of IchiRuki evidence against any RenjixRukiaxIchigo triangle, the same way I could for OrihimexIchixRukia and vice versa. I have to agree....

I don't think there is any triangle in Bleach. Ichigo and Rukia are the couple and those are just people who are in love with both of them.

To be a true triangle...it has to be feelings involved from all three sides. One-sided relationships can not be counted...imo.

[- HEROiNEx]

Sense it is shonen this is mabe all about crushs Ichigo gain power and protecting his friends and fightning no love. It might end with no one geting no one. And it would start again then comes the love.

Thats very true.
But it also could be come a trilogy
...Though. Trilogies are getting worse and worse these days
lol. I just remember KT saying something about being a huge admirer of the Dragon Ball series.
But I just hope he doesn't try to attempt it all. Those are big shoes to fill.
BUT in DBZ everyone ended up with someone...
'cept Yamcha... and Piccolo and others. lol
But mainly everyone had someone! >w<;;

[- HEROiNEx]

I have to agree....

I don't think there is any triangle in Bleach. Ichigo and Rukia are the couple and those are just people who are in love with both of them.

To be a true triangle...it has to be feelings involved from all three sides. One-sided relationships can not be counted...imo.

Baha. Yeah. I think it depends though. In a love triangle... I think it either has to be... the feelings are reciprocated through everyone on all three sides. OR the third party ( the unwanted. ) is like, "OMG. NO HE'S/SHE'S MINE!" and like plots things. Those make good juicy love triangles. But please KT... don't do that. xD

[Scarlett_Rain55]

I have to agree....

I don't think there is any triangle in Bleach. Ichigo and Rukia are the couple and those are just people who are in love with both of them.

To be a true triangle...it has to be feelings involved from all three sides. One-sided relationships can not be counted...imo.

If there isn't a triangle, then why are there so many debates on who deserves Ichigo's heart? :confused:

[- HEROiNEx]

Because its all just interpretation, there's really no right or wrong answer.
Its all for opinion and interpretation. Thats why there's so many debates. xD

[Hari Michiru]

If there isn't a triangle, then why are there so many debates on who deserves Ichigo's heart? :confused:

Triangles require mutual love between at least one of the pairings. The only confession we've heard/read of was Orihime's confession to Ichigo. Neither Rukia nor Ichigo have confessed yet.

[Scarlett_Rain55]

Yeah I know. But it's still basically a love triangle to me since it divides the fans.

[BleachOD]

If there isn't a triangle, then why are there so many debates on who deserves Ichigo's heart? :confused:

That's what I am wondering...:uhoh:

That's my whole point...why is there any debate?!:twitch: (that's why I am in this thread. It's truly hard for me to understand!!! Why is there a even a question about who it is. ?!?! (Rukia)

:heh:

[CMHerrera]

Baha. Yeah. I think it depends though. In a love triangle... I think it either has to be... the feelings are reciprocated through everyone on all three sides. OR the third party ( the unwanted. ) is like, "OMG. NO HE'S/SHE'S MINE!" and like plots things. Those make good juicy love triangles. But please KT... don't do that. xD

What if he is doing it on purpouse, making love triangles to make you think who is going to be with him his hole life fighting hollows.

[- HEROiNEx]

Who knows
we'll see, we'll see ~

[CMHerrera]

If ichigo dies:uhoh: at the last that would mess everyone up, depressing too. Then no one get him

[- HEROiNEx]

then we can say he was reborn in SS.
XDDDD ~

[CMHerrera]

Then he would die at the age and be already soul reaper?

do you remember when orhime and rukia were training and the captain (forgot his name) said mabe some day she will become a soul reaper?

Then it would be more fighting who get ichigo if rukia ichigo orihime lived in ss.

[- HEROiNEx]

The thing is though
Its hard for Ichigo to die.
xD Being a vizard and all, once he's near death his hollow takes over and once the mask is gone he's back to his regular self. So ~ yeah. xD
But... if he WERE to die, and be reborn in SS, who is to say they'd even find him? xD
Its hard to become a shinigami in SS, and its hard to live in the lowly city of SS anyway.

[debbiechan]

I actually didn't hear about this interview. It seems stupid to me to say that he's not going to focus on a triangle or the romantic parts of the their relationships when it made it so obviously a part of inoue's character. Crap like that pisses me off; makes me feel like he's being dishonest.

Awww, Sinta, don't be angry. It bothers me when people get frustrated with Kubo interviews and the few words he speaks in them, when fans comb over his sentences like they're bible verses and try to extract absolute meaning from them. Kubo-sensei was just trying to dodge romance questions. (And here follows pure hearsay:p ) My friend who interviewed him for her magazine followed this interviewer and overheard the exchange. It sounded to her like Kubo was trying not to commit himself, and if you read his quote, he doesn't deny 1) a triangle 2) the presence of love elements in Bleach or 3) resolving them. He says that there are other things he's going to focus on--which seems rather obvious, given the genre of his manga. Bleach is a fighting manga--it's about independence, cooperation, coming of age, discovering a set of values, blah blah.... not about heeding the call of one's teenage hormones.

As to the question of what more is there to Orihime besides her love for Ichigo? I've been waiting the better part of a year to find out. What sixteen year old girl needs to be defined by the overwhelming drama (I WOULD LOVE HIM FIVE LIFETIMES) for a boy she's barely spoken to? No, Bleach isn't a love story--at least not from Orihime's POV. If it were, it would require that Orihime have earned the right to speak those words about loving someone for five lifetimes. Just because she said them doesn't give her words absolute authority; women OTHER than ones who know what those words mean can speak things like that. Those words are the typical words of a teenager in love. Sincerely in love but without a wealth of love experiences to sustain those words (and what does Kubo show us when Orihime faces her very first challenge with Ichigo? Orihime falters at the sight of his mask and has to be goaded by a child to cheer Ichigo on)

Rukia and Ichigo are more than their bond to one another; they are each evolving in distinct ways. Rukia is learning to trust herself and Ichigo is learning to rely on help from his friends and both characters are engaged in a coming of age story that is intertwined with romance elements but certainly isn't like the sort of love story you'd find in an American paperback romance or an Eastern josei or shoujo.

I think people are reading too much into Kubo-sensei's words. He's going to pick up all this threads and resolve his character relationship issues; he's just not going to turn Bleach into an afternoon soap opera. Another story, a fighting story with swords and bam boom and sweeping epic lessons about honor and pride and courage will take precedence over lovey dovey.

[CMHerrera]

This is one of the questions from kubo seems a no

Q: Speaking of Ichigo's relationships with his friends, there seems to be a love triangle between Ichigo, Rukia and Orihime. Do you delve more into this in later volumes?

Tite Kubo: (laughs) I get asked about that a lot! I don't want to make Bleach into a love story because there are much more exciting things about their personalities and things that they can do instead of getting into the romance aspect of their relationships.

[Ichigo&Rukia]

I bet something happened with Rukia and Renji.
Yes, it is my interpretation BUT IchiOriAizen is way more impossible than IchiRukiRen.

[saffy]

My hero~ Officially. xD


Yes, but the Ginny/Harry thing sucked horribly, and it was pretty gay to add in all that crap about Harry & Ginny naming their children Albus and Fruitcake and whatev.

Have to agree with Blue Skies, I'm choosing to interpret KT's interview as Yes there will be romantic aspects, but dont expect this to turn into a halfway shojo folks!

[Kakashi]

Lets face it guys. Kubo is following shounen law, it seems there will be no romance in Bleach. Or is Kubo wording things very carefully like debbiechan suggested. Who knows? Orihime herself surely contradicts his response.


Yes, it is my interpretation BUT IchiOriAizen is way more impossible than IchiRukiRen.

But what's more impossible than impossible?

[- HEROiNEx]

lol. But I don't even LIKE harrypotter, so I don't care about THAT.
I'm just all for KT writing what HE wants. D:
As a fellow writer it a pain in the ass when people tell you what to write.

[Zoe]

This is one of the questions from kubo seems a no

Q: Speaking of Ichigo's relationships with his friends, there seems to be a love triangle between Ichigo, Rukia and Orihime. Do you delve more into this in later volumes?

Tite Kubo: (laughs) I get asked about that a lot! I don't want to make Bleach into a love story because there are much more exciting things about their personalities and things that they can do instead of getting into the romance aspect of their relationships.

That sounds more like dodging the question to me.

[Kakashi]

More like flat out contradiction if you ask me.

I don't want to make Bleach into a love story...

Sure. That's why Orihime creeps stealthily into Ichigo's room and proclaims her 5 lifetimes worth of love. Then attempts to kiss him. But I guess most girls do that type of thing on a whim right?

...because there are much more exciting things about their personalities and things that they can do instead of getting into the romance aspect of their relationships.

Orihime's whole character is based on her 'love' for Ichigo. What could be more exciting for her fans than seeing that unfold one way or the other? What he said just fails to fit the facts...of course Kenpachi elegantly delivering Noitora with two hands might just signify the end of logic in Bleach. Either Kubo has lost the plot or he's being dishonest. Regardless, my patience for him is growing thin.

[saffy]

Orihime's whole character is based on her 'love' for Ichigo. What could be more exciting than seeing that unfold one way or the other?

Hopefully the actual shonen plot of the manga will be xD

I think he is being dishonest, writer's usually want to keep their audiences guessing love plots for as long as they possibly can for 2 reasons:

Money
To keep the audience interested

[Kakashi]

Hopefully the actual shonen plot of the manga will be xD

I think he is being dishonest, writer's usually want to keep their audiences guessing love plots for as long as they possibly can for 2 reasons:

Money
To keep the audience interested

True. It would really be funny to see a certain someone's reaction if romance never became a reality in Bleach, but at the same time I wish Kubo would just stop bullshitting and get on with it. It's not like the majority of his readers care for romance anyway. Why can't he put those who do out their misery?

Also I want to find out what happens BEFORE I FUCKING DIE, if that's alright with him. Heck Kubo's in his thirties, he might die if he doesn't hurry the hell up. There's some incentive.

[yuuk1]

OMG... why even say that?!?! Dying...?!

People, please let's get back on topic...! I don't dare to even imagine KT-sama dying TT___TT(and you too, Kakashisan) And yes, I agree that KT-san has to hurry up and make the one for Ichigo official, I've been itching to see confessions or something of the like, but not too shoujo-ish. I'd puke.

Anyway, based on the popularity poll, I don't think KT-san's the type who'd do a lot of fanservice, like Pierrot!!! >=(

[CMHerrera]

OMG... why even say that?!?! Dying...?!

People, please let's get back on topic...! I don't dare to even imagine KT-sama dying TT___TT(and you too, Kakashisan) And yes, I agree that KT-san has to hurry up and make the one for Ichigo official, I've been itching to see confessions or something of the like, but not too shoujo-ish. I'd puke.

Anyway, based on the popularity poll, I don't think KT-san's the type who'd do a lot of fanservice, like Pierrot!!! >=(

Confessions, yea that would be nice to see but I don't think it will happen for a why'll.

Ichigo seems to looks like he is calm he raily ever is in episode 166.

http://4bleach.com/bleach-episode-166/

[khouram]

i think Ichigo and Rukia definatly

[HaNa-san]

I get asked about that a lot

So he had enough experiences to deal with this question :D no wonder his answer is conflicting a bit..

Since chapter 1 and bleach has these romantic aspects to it in a shounen style, so why changing his way of writing now.... having the relationship of the characters develops within the development of the plot is what makes bleach interesting.. and I believe this what kubo meant to say..

[debbiechan]

*eyes roll back into skull and turn into marshmallows and pop out ears over recent Orihime apologetics in other forums*

*clears throat*

AHEM. :heh: Those of you who can't bear to post here for fear of being personally contradicted in public or for whatever other reason but will answer in lengthy tirades to observations made here elsewhere, DID I EVER SAY THAT ORIHIME CAN'T KNOW LOVE BECAUSE SHE'S ONLY 16?

Maybe some Bleach fans have. I haven't. What I recently said was that her phrase "I would love him for five lifetimes" doesn't have a moneyback guarantee and isn't an absolute authority to predict what will happen in the manga. They're very believable words spoken by a 16 year old in love, nothing more.

I've heard the argument that Bleach is fiction (and not Real Life where crushing 16 year olds often don't attain the men of their dreams); therefore Orihime's love itself is as fantastical as a zanpakutou or a spirit bow or barrette with magical powers. Ipso facto, in a universe where shopkeepers with stripey hats make portals to other dimensions, a 16 year old girl can crush on a guy she's barely spoken to for more than five minutes, claim to love him for five lifetimes and her pumpkin will turn into a carriage with five white horses ready to carry her to the Arrancar ball.

I thought that the wonderful thing about a lot of Japanese serial manga were that they were fantastical worlds inhabited by very believable people with very real and identifiable emotions. From Keigo's wanting to fit in with the crowd to Mizuiro's isolation from his mother and his uncanny charm with older girls to Orihime's self-consciousness, there's not a false chord stricken among the high schoolers in Bleach. Orihime doesn't come off as a fairy princess--she comes off as a very believable teenager who may or may not have transferred her idol worship and dependence on her beloved brother onto a boy she barely knew--a boy who very quickly established himself as hero material and fed her fantasies meanwhile feeding her doubts about herself.

She's just a girl, a really lovable one, but just a girl--not the protagonist or heroine of this story, least of all insofar as this LOVE for Ichigo defines her.

A real heroine who says "I would love him for five lifetimes" should ideally be someone who has shared some honest experiences with her beloved, if not the better part of one lifetime. When Orihime walked into Ichigo's room that night, she was imagining being a kindergarden teacher and an astronaut--her imagining being in love was on the same scale of wonderment.

And just as realistic.

All I've ever said in forums is that I'm glad that Kubo has said in interview that there's more to the characters than romance. And some people have been puzzled and hurt--well, what more is there to Orihime's story? A helluva lot more say I. A woman is not defined by who she is in love with. Especially at sixteen.

And before the ridiculous cries of anti-feminism start, let's imagine Ichigo in Orihime's identical situation (not his own). Say he were in love with some girl at school, a friend of a friend and feeling insecure because this girl was closely bonded/better pals with another guy and poor Ichigo could never really get close enough to him or do the right thing to impress this girl. The situation would be almost comical. I can almost hear Keigo saying "that's sad man, get over it." :heh:

My point is that any sixteen year old, male or female, earns a little respectability in the love game once he or she establishes some intimacy with the object of his or her interest. And with Orihime--well, we just haven't seen much of her getting close to Ichigo. Certainly not when we have the comparison of Rukia, who changed Ichigo's world, blah blah, right there before her. And Orihime's failing to connect with her beloved time and time again makes her the classic girl who pines for an unrequited love.

Who hasn't been there? Girls? My hand's up. My heart was busted up some in high school but that doesn't mean I go around looking for stories now in which the pining girl gets her prince. I see Orihime and I see a smart, talented girl with powers she's yet to define, understand or control (there's the very definition of feminism if I ever heard it) and she's got to learn who she is and what those powers can do before she can begin to think SERIOUSLY about love.

I believe that's the story Kubo-sensei is going to tell us. Mark my words. If Ichigo and Orihime end up in the pumpkin carriage at the end of the rainbow, I'll eat my green striped hat for sure. Not embarrassed to say that in the slightest. I'll just be WRONG.

Just not betting I am. :D

Eh, go and misinterpret THAT.

[saffy]

Who hasn't been there? Girls? My hand's up. My heart was busted up some in high school but that doesn't mean I go around looking for stories now in which the pining girl gets her prince. I see Orihime and I see a smart, talented girl with powers she's yet to define, understand or control (there's the very definition of feminism if I ever heard it) and she's got to learn who she is and what those powers can do before she can begin to think SERIOUSLY about love.

Forget all that! she needs to bloody know Ichigo before she can think seriously about love.

Loosely related rant:

I would love and respect KT no matter which side he chooses to shove Ichigo to. But if he leaves the manga totally open - ended, my admiration for him will die. The best story -teller in my opinion is the one who has the guts to make a choice. (Yes I am aware this is a shounen)

[monir]

I would love and respect KT no matter which side he chooses to shove Ichigo to. But if he leaves the manga totally open - ended, my admiration for him will die. The best story -teller in my opinion is the one who has the guts to make a choice. (Yes I am aware this is a shounen)
I'm sure he will be deeply hurt when loads of his fans react adversely however he chooses to give his story a conclusion. And then, he starts counting his money...

1 yen. 2 yen. 3 yen. 4 yen. 5 yen. 6 yen. 7 yen. 8 yen. 9 yen. 10 yen. 11 yen. 12 yen.

hmm.. the despair of loosing the respect of my beloved fans is fading away. *deep breathe*

13 yen. 14 yen. 15 yen. 16 yen. 17 yen. 18 yen. 19 yen. 20 yen. 21 yen. 22 yen. 23 yen.

haha.. I'm not feeling down any more.

24 yen. 25 yen. 26 yen. 27 yen. 28 yen. 29 yen. 30 yen. 31 yen. 32 yen. 33 yen. 34 yen.

Ow, my fingers hurt, but this pain is pleasure. Naughty me. I'm so ecchi. Teh-heh. And I think I'm running out of saliva. Can someone bring me a drink of any kind? I'm getting dehydrated here from counting my yen.

35 yen. 36 yen. 37 yen. 38 yen. 39 yen. 40 yen. 41 yen. 42 yen. 43 yen. 44 yen. 45 yen.

Dear heavens. How much money have I made? And why was I feeling down right before I started counting my money? Oh well. *Kubo Tite goes back to counting.*

The end....., the happy kind, for the person who matters the most.

[Nervous Venus]

Do people honestly believe that manga artists make that much money? With a percentage of royalties (after the publishing house gets to it) and payment of staff, I think KT makes enough (especially with it being animated) to make a very comfortable living (for now), but he's definitely not rich, and being in the fickle shonen market as it is, he's going to have to come up with a new story (that will be another rainmaker) after the end of BLEACH, (and this means keeping loyal fans who actually purchase the tankoubans), in order to continue to live prosperously.

I think a part of him will definitely care about whether or not he hurts those fans who may (or may not) act adversely according to the ending, because tankouban sales = the continuing out pouring of cha-ching after the series ends. :)

[Endrance]

As popular as bleach is i would bet he's more than comfortable

[Nervous Venus]

That's what I mean. FOR NOW, that is.

[cicido]

If kt care about the fans so much he would of made Rukia canon a long time ago, but we all know that deep inside, he's a boob man.

[yuuk1]

I read yet another long rant of OD, believe me, it was great; anyway, what I'd like to point out is what she forgot to mention when she compared Ichigo's fight with Rukia's and Inoue's brothers.

Please do not ignore my post!!

Here:



http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/manga-rainbleach-ch160-13.pnghttp://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/manga-rainbleach-ch160-14.png

Notice, a HUGE panel was offered to see Ichigo being mad (while trying to look cool in front of Rukia's brother...) at Byakuya for telling Rukia that he will kill her with his own hands. Ichigo even said RUKIA, not "Your sister," which I already mentioned before, guys calling girls in first name without any honorifics (especially in front of over-protective big brothers) is a very big deal in the Japanese culture. I'm not saying Ichigo is teasing Byakuya, but rather, he is acknowledging Rukia as a person, an individual, not as a sister of Byakuya or of noble blood. You'll get what I'm saying later.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/160-15.jpg

Re-read what Ichigo said to Byaku-chin, while pointing his zanputou to him (which is rather rude). "I'll make you beg for forgiveness infront of Rukia."

Also, take notice that several pages were drawn for Ichigo expressing his anger and sermons to Byaku-chin.

Compared to the other one... >___> (only 1...? I think...?)



Moving on to Sora and Ichigo's confrontation:

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/NOTTHESAMEACIDWIRE.jpg

Let's not forget that Ichigo himself is a brother of two. In this page, we see a very pissed Ichigo. You know why he's pissed? Because Inoue's big bro said he's gonna kill the bizznatch....(joke..) knowing Ichigo, for being a big brother himself, he's pissed and ashamed as to why any big brother would ever say that to his little sister. Ichigo believes that every big brothers should protect his sister/s, no matter the cost.

So why am I emphasizing so much on the brother/sister relationship here? Well, if you compare my analysis of both situations, Ichigo speaks like (and for) a big brother in Inoue's case, while in Rukia's case, well... let's just say (imo) that Ichigo is speaking more than just a big brother or as a friend.



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[Nervous Venus]

Deep down inside KT is Kon, lol.

BTW, yuuk1-chan, kind of OT, but I just noticed, in the second spread, they spelled "insolent" wrong :/

[yuuk1]

Deep down inside KT is Kon, lol.

BTW, yuuk1-chan, kind of OT, but I just noticed, in the second spread, they spelled "insolent" wrong :/


lol!! I didn't even notice it...! :heh: good thing I'm not the one who translates mangas...! Hee:D

[CMHerrera]

I read yet another long rant of OD, believe me, it was great; anyway, what I'd like to point out is what she forgot to mention when she compared Ichigo's fight with Rukia's and Inoue's brothers.

Please do not ignore my post!!

Here:



http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/manga-rainbleach-ch160-13.pnghttp://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/manga-rainbleach-ch160-14.png

Notice, a HUGE panel was offered to see Ichigo being mad (while trying to look cool in front of Rukia's brother...) at Byakuya for telling Rukia that he will kill her with his own hands. Ichigo even said RUKIA, not "Your sister," which I already mentioned before, guys calling girls in first name without any honorifics (especially in front of over-protective big brothers) is a very big deal in the Japanese culture. I'm not saying Ichigo is teasing Byakuya, but rather, he is acknowledging Rukia as a person, an individual, not as a sister of Byakuya or of noble blood. You'll get what I'm saying later.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/160-15.jpg

Re-read what Ichigo said to Byaku-chin, while pointing his zanputou to him (which is rather rude). "I'll make you beg for forgiveness infront of Rukia."

Also, take notice that several pages were drawn for Ichigo expressing his anger and sermons to Byaku-chin.

Compared to the other one... >___> (only 1...? I think...?)



Moving on to Sora and Ichigo's confrontation:

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/NOTTHESAMEACIDWIRE.jpg

Let's not forget that Ichigo himself is a brother of two. In this page, we see a very pissed Ichigo. You know why he's pissed? Because Inoue's big bro said he's gonna kill the bizznatch....(joke..) knowing Ichigo, for being a big brother himself, he's pissed and ashamed as to why any big brother would ever say that to his little sister. Ichigo believes that every big brothers should protect his sister/s, no matter the cost.

So why am I emphasizing so much on the brother/sister relationship here? Well, if you compare my analysis of both situations, Ichigo speaks like (and for) a big brother in Inoue's case, while in Rukia's case, well... let's just say (imo) that Ichigo is speaking more than just a big brother or as a friend.



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Ichigo seems to care for both of them but care for Orhime more as a sister, and rukia more then a friend.
Byakuya seems to hate Ichigo there and after. Mabe he don't like Ichigo and Rukia together?

[- HEROiNEx]

I think there was a difference in Rukia's situation compared to Orihime. Sora was just plain lonely, and he thought his sister had abandoned him and forgotten about him flat outright. Therefore he was conflicted and was taken over by a hollow, and couldn't exactly control himself for wanting to destroy her. He wanted to get back at her, yet he didn't. Therefore, Ichigo was forced to understand his situation and be maybe a little less aggressive like he was in Rukia's situation.

Outrightly, Byakuya was ready to kill Rukia with his own hands if he had too, while having complete control over his mind, body and soul, which made him repulsive in Ichigo's eyes. While Sora was conflicted with that he wanted to do; see Orihime again or destroy her, Byakuya had already picked between his two choices. Protect Rukia or follow the rules. He picked follow the rules, and was sticking too it. Being perfectly at "ease" about his decision infront of Ichigo is what generally pissed Ichigo off.

Sora = conflicted and taken over by hollow
Byakuya = completely in control and just not giving a shit.
xDD You tell me which one is more repulsive.
'Cause I'm betting on Byakuya.

[yuuk1]

I think there was a difference in Rukia's situation compared to Orihime. Sora was just plain lonely, and he thought his sister had abandoned him and forgotten about him flat outright. Therefore he was conflicted and was taken over by a hollow, and couldn't exactly control himself for wanting to destroy her. He wanted to get back at her, yet he didn't. Therefore, Ichigo was forced to understand his situation and be maybe a little less aggressive like he was in Rukia's situation.

Outrightly, Byakuya was ready to kill Rukia with his own hands if he had too, while having complete control over his mind, body and soul, which made him repulsive in Ichigo's eyes. While Sora was conflicted with that he wanted to do; see Orihime again or destroy her, Byakuya had already picked between his two choices. Protect Rukia or follow the rules. He picked follow the rules, and was sticking too it. Being perfectly at "ease" about his decision infront of Ichigo is what generally pissed Ichigo off.

Sora = conflicted and taken over by hollow
Byakuya = completely in control and just not giving a shit.
xDD You tell me which one is more repulsive.
'Cause I'm betting on Byakuya.

I agree with you to an extent, though I don't think Ichigo had a clue what Sora was actually feeling at that time. For Ichigo to say, "You don't say that to your sister!" or something of the like, seemed to me that Ichigo still had little to no clue that when souls become hollows, they become confused and the like. At least, that's my opinion; feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[- HEROiNEx]

I'm sure he didn't know.
But he's faced hollows before.
I would think he would have a gut-feeling about it
but I think Rukia did tell him about the situation.
If I can remember correctly.

[Hari Michiru]

I'm sure he didn't know.
But he's faced hollows before.
I would think he would have a gut-feeling about it
but I think Rukia did tell him about the situation.
If I can remember correctly.

I think it was after he yelled at Inoue's brother.

[- HEROiNEx]

I don't think that changes much. xDD
Considering that Orihimes brother regardless was a hollow, therefore it gives off a totally different feel. Ichigo has faced Hollows before and knows what they're like. He knows that most of them are souls that need to be freed and that is his duty of a Shinigami to release them.

Unlike Byakuya.

Byakuya is alive, well, and not to mention wealthy. Yet his little sister was about to be murdered and he didn't care to stop it. That was an all-time low. Those are just the plain differences in the situation. .__. So, no. Its not fair to say Ichigo didn't spazz as badly, because they were two completely different situations. That's not fair to either of the three characters.

[BleachOD]

I read yet another long rant of OD,^Why the hell is it called a rant.?! There are others with long posts. *Demonic voice* Why are mine rants? What kind of shit is that?!http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/q60-1.gif

You're complaining...I want a non IchiRuki or person who doesn't not have my ships glasses on...TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS

I won't be mad...The IchUlq reuinion all but wiped out the demon brigade. My work as a slayer is done.:uhoh: Carry on...:heh:

[Hari Michiru]

Why the hell is it called a rant.?! There are others with long posts. *Demonic voice* Why are mine rants? What kind of shit is that?!http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/q60-1.gif

You're complaining...I want a non IchiRuki or person who doesn't not have my ships glasses on...TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS

I won't be mad...The IchUlq reuinion all but wiped out the demon brigade. My work as a slayer is done.:uhoh: Carry on...:heh:

I'm really scared now =O. DEMONIC SHIPPERS~ :heh:

[yuuk1]

I don't think that changes much. xDD
Considering that Orihimes brother regardless was a hollow, therefore it gives off a totally different feel. Ichigo has faced Hollows before and knows what they're like. He knows that most of them are souls that need to be freed and that is his duty of a Shinigami to release them.

Unlike Byakuya.

Byakuya is alive, well, and not to mention wealthy. Yet his little sister was about to be murdered and he didn't care to stop it. That was an all-time low. Those are just the plain differences in the situation. .__. So, no. Its not fair to say Ichigo didn't spazz as badly, because they were two completely different situations. That's not fair to either of the three characters.

Umm.. Ichigo doesn't know much of hollows. He only fought 2-3 before facing Sora. He knows little, and understands little, regardless.

Well, to me, it's fair because we already figured out that KT-san likes doing parallels. Also, the same could be said between SS and HM arc. They are incomparable yet we still compare them to continue on with this thread.

[yuuk1]

Why the hell is it called a rant.?! There are others with long posts. *Demonic voice* Why are mine rants? What kind of shit is that?!http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/q60-1.gif

You're complaining...I want a non IchiRuki or person who doesn't not have my ships glasses on...TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS

I won't be mad...The IchUlq reuinion all but wiped out the demon brigade. My work as a slayer is done.:uhoh: Carry on...:heh:

OD... I was complimenting you... And I'm an IchiRuki too, who takes her shipping glasses off most of the time. :(

[HayashiTakara]

Getting high off your fairy tales while I was away OD? :heh:

All these pointless filler fights, and now a one week of no chapter really leaves nothing new to talk about. I'll be back when something worth talking about occurs.

[Mr. DJ]

I read yet another long rant of OD, believe me, it was great; anyway, what I'd like to point out is what she forgot to mention when she compared Ichigo's fight with Rukia's and Inoue's brothers.

Please do not ignore my post!!

Here:



http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/manga-rainbleach-ch160-13.pnghttp://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/manga-rainbleach-ch160-14.png

Notice, a HUGE panel was offered to see Ichigo being mad (while trying to look cool in front of Rukia's brother...) at Byakuya for telling Rukia that he will kill her with his own hands. Ichigo even said RUKIA, not "Your sister," which I already mentioned before, guys calling girls in first name without any honorifics (especially in front of over-protective big brothers) is a very big deal in the Japanese culture. I'm not saying Ichigo is teasing Byakuya, but rather, he is acknowledging Rukia as a person, an individual, not as a sister of Byakuya or of noble blood. You'll get what I'm saying later.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/160-15.jpg

Re-read what Ichigo said to Byaku-chin, while pointing his zanputou to him (which is rather rude). "I'll make you beg for forgiveness infront of Rukia."

Also, take notice that several pages were drawn for Ichigo expressing his anger and sermons to Byaku-chin.

Compared to the other one... >___> (only 1...? I think...?)



Moving on to Sora and Ichigo's confrontation:

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/NOTTHESAMEACIDWIRE.jpg

Let's not forget that Ichigo himself is a brother of two. In this page, we see a very pissed Ichigo. You know why he's pissed? Because Inoue's big bro said he's gonna kill the bizznatch....(joke..) knowing Ichigo, for being a big brother himself, he's pissed and ashamed as to why any big brother would ever say that to his little sister. Ichigo believes that every big brothers should protect his sister/s, no matter the cost.

So why am I emphasizing so much on the brother/sister relationship here? Well, if you compare my analysis of both situations, Ichigo speaks like (and for) a big brother in Inoue's case, while in Rukia's case, well... let's just say (imo) that Ichigo is speaking more than just a big brother or as a friend.



If you're interested in reading more of my rants, please click on my sig that says:

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::nit pick::

Ichigo says "Rukia" and "your sister" in his little speech. Also Ichigo isn't exactly the most formal person in the world, example being him calling Byakuya and Toushiro by their first names and not by their given rank and last name.

[RingoPango]

I prefer Ichigo and Rukia :D

Their personality fits better!

[manu+ichigo]

look guys



?????? ??????
ichigo?(we dont know his felings) ?rukia?(we dont know her feelings)
?????? ??????
/ /
/ / / /
inoue orihime(loves ichigo) abarai rengi(loves rukia)

[yuuk1]

::nit pick::

Ichigo says "Rukia" and "your sister" in his little speech. Also Ichigo isn't exactly the most formal person in the world, example being him calling Byakuya and Toushiro by their first names and not by their given rank and last name.

Look, I'm just saying that in their culture, (sometimes) it's considered rude and mocking, to call people by their first names. If you really read the whole post and observed it very carefully, then you'd notice Ichigo pointing his sword to Byakuya. That's rude to the extent, regardless of culture or race.

Please study more on their culture to get my point.

[Ichigo&Rukia]

look guys



?????? ??????
ichigo?(we dont know his felings) ?rukia?(we dont know her feelings)
?????? ??????
/ /
/ / / /
inoue orihime(loves ichigo) abarai rengi(loves rukia)
We can know someone's feelings without confession.
Orihime can pine for Ichigo for all people care but he doesn't love her and that is the give-away. She will love him five times then fine, let her love him 10 lifetimes. (which is stupid. Not see what is in front of her? Love a guy who doesn't love her back five freaking times? 0.0) It is her and her alone. Her own experience.
When you confess you do it expecting the other side to answer you with I love you too. You don't do it alone why the other one is sleeping. But his love was not what she wanted because she is aware that this is her own feeling and ha snothing to do with Ichigo who doesn't love her back. She wanted clearing it to herself.
We knew she loved him before confession so how the hell does it convince people and make them sooo sure? When it is obvious she did without her speech.
Renji has never confessed. Going by your logic, we don't know where he stands.

[manu+ichigo]

i love ichiruki pairing but i wonder why ichigo in the recent scans give more interest to inoue orihime than to rukia for example when he was fighting gj the encouragement of inoue make him more agressive and bless the enemy saying(sorry grimmjaw i cant let u heart me any more) and paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaf


an other example after ending his fight with grimmjaw he didn't think about any of his friends when inoue was with him he was just retourning to the real world with her and his friends after saving them but another enemy appear an rukia was rescued by her brother byakuya
i'm fed up with inoue becoming more ppular than rukia adding the fact that inoue appear in the anime more than rukia does tht mean that kubo is more increasing the character?

[manu+ichigo]

We can know someone's feelings without confession.
Orihime can pine for Ichigo for all people care but he doesn't love her and that is the give-away. She will love him five times then fine, let her love him 10 lifetimes. (which is stupid. Not see what is in front of her? Love a guy who doesn't love her back five freaking times? 0.0) It is her and her alone. Her own experience.
When you confess you do it expecting the other side to answer you with I love you too. You don't do it alone why the other one is sleeping. But his love was not what she wanted because she is aware that this is her own feeling and ha snothing to do with Ichigo who doesn't love her back. She wanted clearing it to herself.
We knew she loved him before confession so how the hell does it convince people and make them sooo sure? When it is obvious she did without her speech.
Renji has never confessed. Going by your logic, we don't know where he stands.
it's true that rengi has never confessed bat his looking in his expression to rukia and how he behaves we can clearly understand his feelings

[- HEROiNEx]

Look, I'm just saying that in their culture, (sometimes) it's considered rude and mocking, to call people by their first names. If you really read the whole post and observed it very carefully, then you'd notice Ichigo pointing his sword to Byakuya. That's rude to the extent, regardless of culture or race.

Please study more on their culture to get my point.

I understand what you mean. In Japanese culture calling someone by their first name indicates that they're close, but again we could say thats much-like a bestfriends relationship. It could also be a mockery to call someone by their first name who has a high status, or it just shows that you just don't care about who they are or what they do. I don't think Ichigo calls these people by their first names to be rude. I think he's just really really informal, friendly and lacks common sense as well as manners in most cases.

I could also tell you that when in a relationship, generally the Japanese say the first name and add an affectionate suffix to the end. Does Ichigo do that? No.

I would give that point to you if Ichigo didn't call so many other people by their first names other than Rukia.

Example: Kenpachi, who wants to kill him. Byakuya, who plainly hates being addressed so informally. Hitsugaya, who wants to rip peoples faces off when they don't add the suffix of captain to his name. Tatsuki, who also is a close friend, much like Rukia. Renji who he shares a brotherly/friendly rivalry with.

But the point is, Is Ichigo close with Hitusgaya? No. Is Ichigo close with Byakuya? No. Is Ichigo really close with Kenpachi? No. Like said above, Ichigo is really just an informal, rude bastard. He's obnoxious, thats how he's supposed to be. Thinks on impulse and with his head after.

Ichigo calls Uryu by his last name mainly because they're "rivals", in good spirits.

Ichigo calls Orihime, Inoue, because she's a truly someone he values as a woman and he thinks she deserves respect, as proved when Hirako gave her a huge informal hug and called her "Orihime-chan". Everyone flipped out on him, but it was Ichigo who came to talk to him about it separately from the rest. Therefore he made another effort for Orihime. And some might say that he hasn't made as much efforts for her, but some are better than none, and they're not ignorable.

So unfortunately, we can't use Japanese culture here when it comes to Ichigo, because his character just isn't one to care about such redundant things. The only time I've seen Ichigo use Japanese culture properly is in school, and when around Orihime, because he's gentlemanly around her. But the truth of the matter is, what main character in a Shounen does use Japanese Culture properly in their speech? Not many. But thats supposed to be what makes them stick out. Because when they go to a place of higher-ups are informal, carefree and determined they grab everyones attention and makes the experience very memorable, and when they win, we know for sure that the character is meant to be just a plain hero.

[Zoe]

I could also tell you that when in a relationship, generally the Japanese say the first name and add an affectionate suffix to the end. Does Ichigo do that? No.

That's not really true.

So unfortunately, we can't use Japanese culture here when it comes to Ichigo, because his character just isn't one to care about such redundant things.

Uh... yes, he is. Did you miss his freak-out when he thought people might hear him calling Rukia by her first name?

[- HEROiNEx]

But did you see him give-two shits when he called Byakuya by his first name?
Did you see him think it over when he called Hitsugaya by his first name?
Did you see him even worry a LITTLE even when Byakuya glowered and gloomed over being called "Byakuya" ? No. Does Ichigo care NOW that he says her name? Does he do anything to even stop his informality? No. He doesn't try to stop it. Freaking out like one-time doesn't really change anything, considering he never changed what he called her to make it seem more realistic. Thats why I say he doesn't care. Ichigo has shown true traits of being able to change instantly, but he doesn't change the fact that he calls a lot of people by their first name whether its informal or not.

And, not all of them add affectionate endings toward the end, but generally you'll see it happening a lot. The point I was trying to make is that Ichigo regardless just doesn't do that, and if he has, I want proof.

[Nervous Venus]

Ichigo calls Orihime, Inoue, because she's a truly someone he values as a woman and he thinks she deserves respect

Ichigo most likely calls Orihime the formal "Inoue", because they are classmates. Classmates call each other by their last names. Though I don't disagree that she deserves respect, it has nothing to do with valueing her as a woman, Hero.

Freaking out like one-time doesn't really change anything, considering he never changed what he called her to make it seem more realistic.

He doesn't have to change the way he calls her. They're already too close for comfort. ;)

[Amy corE]

Oh please.
The name thing again. It's been discussed at BA recently.
Ichigo calls by their first names:
those who he faught and defeated (Ikkaku, Renji, Kenni and Bya);
those who he sees as....children (Toushiro, the fact that the KID is Soul Society's freakin' CAP doesn't bother Ichigo xD, Nell...even after seeing her 2nd version Ichigo didn't add a honorific to her name...ahah, but Inoue's "Nell-chan...Nell-san?" has been hilarious xD);
those who he shares deep bond with (Rukia, Chad [nickname], Tatsuki and again - Renji).
Ichigo is being polite to Yoruichi-SAN, Urahara-SAN and Ukitake-SAN.
The way Ichigo calls Inoue or Ishida is nothing special. He hates Ishida's guts, Uryuu hates Kurosaki's guts. So, well, yeah, they act all macho around each other. Inoue is his classmate, Ishida is too. There are no honorifics whatsoever and dare I say...no respect. But even Ishida is his nakama, so...Ichigo cares about them, Ichigo cares about all of his friends. But the bond he shares with Inoue and Ishida is nothing in comparison to his relationship with Rukia, for example.
Anyway, Ichigo calling Rukia by her first name has always been natural. Same goes for Rukia.
And Ichigo being rude sometimes is natural, too. He doesn't bother with formalities.

[Amirali]

Oh please.
The name thing again. ...
And Ichigo being rude sometimes is natural, too. He doesn't bother with formalities.

Hmm. Just so that I don't risk misinterpreting, Heroine and you agree that the intimacy Ichigo's relationships can't be judged from his formality (or lack thereof), because of his natural informality?

[Amy corE]

Amir, if I'm not mistaken, Ichigo doesn't even add 'sensei' to his teacher's name (was it Ju-Ni's trans of 184th chapter? I don't quite remember).
I'd say that if Ichigo shared a deep bond with Ishida/Inoue, then he would've called him/her 'Uryuu/Orihime' and vice versa (althouth Orihime can be still too timid to do so). But he is almost always informal. I wonder if he'd call Yamamoto 'oji-san'. xD

[BleachOD]

I notice a lot of you are so quick to to criticize this posts when I posted it. However not one of you offered a valid reason as to why it wasn't valid. .

You just did like you normally do. (Flame me instead. Which is why ego is so BIG)

Not one you answered my questions. I just got Insults.

@Yuuki....

I did mention the panels in that scene. Just not that particular posts. It was a great read!

@Amy...I think Ichigo's bond with Ishida is deeper than it is with Inoue. (All of his bonds are deeper than the one he has (or lack thereof) with the one he has with Orihime?

No pictures....let's cut to the chase....
again

Orihime isn't in the equation. She is only a contender to some because of her feelings. Feelings that only she shares.
We have proof that Ichigo and Rukia SHARE a deep bond.
Ichigo and Orihime have none.
(what choice is faced with? He doesn't even know he has one)
He could eventually grow to have some...but likewise his feelings for Rukia can only deepen at the same time.

He could indeed sprout feelings for Inoue....but when will it happen? Why is KT taking so long if it will? Why would he he start out Ichigo out sharing a DEEP BOND with Rukia if Orihime is intended for him? Will it be considered "open" If Bleach ends with no public declarations for anyone? Will you just assume...Ichigo noticed Orihime one of those days, while he and Rukia remained friends? What will you assume if Bleach ends with no "Public Declarations" <---I say we had plenty of em... that, that is proof IchiRuki never existed?
If Inoue doesn't get any resolution for her feelings...will you then look at all the IchiRuki interactions and say..."I guess he loved her after all" or will you say "Looks like Ichigo didn't pick anyone?"

How come you see IchiRuki interactions as proof of friendship but not love?
Can you say you were honestly unaware of Orihime's feelings before the "Five Lifetimes" mush? If you were ....What made you aware of them? Barring that speech how were Orihime's actions any different than Rukia's actions?

Can someone answer me please? (If you can):uhoh::heh:

Hmm. Just so that I don't risk misinterpreting, Heroine and you agree that the intimacy Ichigo's relationships can't be judged from his formality (or lack thereof)? I think it should be taken into accordance along with his other behavior.


@HT...Your camp can exists but Kubo murdered your dream. He'd already started killing it arcs ago. With these pages.....the IchiRuki is clear.
Instead of not clicking...Read it! (Or else I will just believe you are in denial)
How much clearer can you get than this?http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/JFBQ00207070427A.gif

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/em0136.gif
THEY ARE NOT "JUST COMPANIONS! Kuchiki-san is a special person to Kurosak- Kun. Because Kuchiki-san is a special person to Kurosaki-kun"THAT WHO CHANGED THE WORLD"
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reason for love #2*NOTE ICHIGO SAYS THIS HIMSELF*

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/manga-rainbleach-ch181-19.png


http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/InouesaffirmationofICHIRUKI3PNG.jpg
chapter cover for epic battle for Orihime

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He seems very proprietary ...and seems to be under impression she belongs with himhttp://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/manga-rainbleach-ch181-13.png

Why? Ask yourself...*Note Ichigo's look of pain*
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/manga-rainbleach-ch181-16.png
*NOTE ICHIGO SAYS THIS HIMSELF*


He sees RUKIA on Soukyoku Cross. *NOTE THE RANGE OF EMOTIONS then a BIG ASS SMILE.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/manga-rainbleach-ch151-04-1.png
318 ORIHIME *I would feel cheatedhttp://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/em067.gif if I looked at above page and then looked at this one if I was a member of the DEMON Brigade*

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Did you EVER see him say this during HM arc.http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/em0139.gif


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ICHIGO AND RUKIA REUNIONS *WHEN HE WANTED TO SAVE HER
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/IchigoRukia.jpg
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Ichigo and Orihime's (And Nel and Grimmjow too):uhoh:
The short way
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6176/thedifference3aa9.th.jpg (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thedifference3aa9.jpg)http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5933/thedifference4jpgyj0.th.jpg (http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thedifference4jpgyj0.jpg)
My bad....That's IchiUlq:uhoh:...Oh well if you want I can get the full sized Manga Page of the Ichi-Grim-Nel-Orihime reunion ....:uhoh:
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/02-03.png

Not done just yet...
*NOTE ICHIGO SAYS THIS HIMSELF* BOTH TIMES."Now that it's like that I painfully feel it"

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/Bleachv07ch058pg109.jpg

I felt it again the rain has stopped
Look at Image of Rukia
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/Bleachv07ch057pg105.jpg
er....I don't have a page like this for Orihime........http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/weddingpeach18.gif Er...this is as close as I can get...http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/sweat.gif
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/17.jpg
Oooooooohhhh look how many times Rukia is shownhttp://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/Bleachv07ch057pg094.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/Bleachv07ch057pg103.jpghttp://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/Bleachv07ch057pg097.jpg

WHERE IS ORIHIME?http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/yoyo091.gif

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/19.jpg
She's right here! Look she's saying the same thing I am!
LET'S COMPARE LOOKS...(BOTH ARE IN DANGEROUS SITUATION AT THE MOMENT SO PLEASE NO SHOUTS OF *Near Death!* )

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/stalkerinluded-1.jpg
He was begging in this chapter. Can you say "WHIPPED!"?
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/16.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/onion10.gif* note his words*
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/Bleachv07ch056pg084.jpg


THEY HAVE THIS "THE SAND" <--CHAPTER OF DESTINY.
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http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/bleach-v23-p183.png

Rukia is "The Rotator" (Of Destiny...Ichigo's and Hers)http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/em0117.gif
Whoops no chapters like that for Orihime...http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/em076.gif
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[/CENTER]

WHERE DID ORIHIME GO? WHY DOES SHE FADE AWAY? She should be right behind Ichigohttp://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/yoyo091.gif
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/manga-rainbleach-ch181-13.png
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/manga-rainbleach-ch181-14.png
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/manga-rainbleach-ch181-15.png

Again....where did she go?http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/yoyo091.gif (This looks like Ichi and Ulq's Moment. to me):nod:

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/04.png
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/07.png
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/06.png

Last but not least...What the IchiHime/Ori/Demon Brigade will never have...
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/em049.gif[/IMG]*"]...A moment ALONE.http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/laughing.gif
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/16-1.png
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/06.png
[CENTER]*NOTE Nel
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/M7_Bleach_Ch279_02.png
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/page06.png
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[I]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/Imagte3.pngPWNS ALL
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/S-M7Bleach-ch195-16-17.png
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/S-M7Bleach-ch195-18.png




So you wanna tell me again "There is no proof"http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/em0165.gif (Kubo made it pretty darn clear to me)http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/gifs/em0132.gif

[Amy corE]

OD, yeah. That's why I'm waiting for Inoue to move on and develop into... at least the equation of Ishida to Ichigo... minus the 'hate' of course. xD
I'd like to answer your questions even if I'm Ichigo/IchiRuki fan myself...but I'm on my mobile right now and can't use my supah-pupah typing-on-keyboard skills... T_T

[Hari Michiru]

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/S-M7Bleach-ch195-16-17.png
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In all fairness, they were not alone in this part. Hitsugya and Co. were there too!

[Amy corE]

Hari Michiru, uh-huh. and nobody dared to interfere. The Co. simply disappeared while KT concentrated readers' attention on the IchiRuki interaction/reunion.
He does the same in HM. But the one who disappears is Orihime and we have an epic IchiUlq reunion. xD

[Hari Michiru]

Hari Michiru, uh-huh. and nobody dared to interfere. The Co. simply disappeared while KT concentrated readers' attention on the IchiRuki interaction/reunion.
He does the same in HM. But the one who disappears is Orihime and we have an epic IchiUlq reunion. xD

Mmhm. Orihime does fade into the background, and no one can really argue that away.

[asam_laksa]

Hmm. Just so that I don't risk misinterpreting, Heroine and you agree that the intimacy Ichigo's relationships can't be judged from his formality (or lack thereof), because of his natural informality?

Rukia calls Orihime, 'Inoue' while Orihime calls Rukia 'Kuchiki-SAN'.

Conclusion::
Rukia and Orihime's relationship are not as close as Rukia with Renji or Rukia with Ichigo.

All because they both choose to call each other by their family name and not by their given name, and Orihime adds a 'SAN' with it, instead of a 'CHAN'.


Yeah right, with the butt-naked pic, face-carressing and boobs-groping.:)

[yuuk1]

I don't get it...

I mean if Inoue didn't even have any chance to be with Kurosaki-kuuun, waaaaaaaaaay before Rukia even appeared, how's it any different now?

Like I said before, Inoue had a crush on Ichigo, regardless of Rukia's presence. Her crush only grew more as she realized there was an actual competition for him. That's very typical of girls if you ask me. <---- girls only make their move when they realize there's a competition for his affection. I'm a girl, so I know. (Though some will disagree to my opinion about girls :D)

Let's not forget, if not for Rukia and Ichigo's accidental meeting, Inoue wouldn't be any closer than a classmate to Ichigo. Inoue wouldn't get her hairpains to start flying and transform to pretty little fairies, she wouldn't have gone to SS, and etc. At least, that is how it appears to me.

EDIT: And please, let's not discuss the name thing. I'm getting real tired of it, and I am fully aware that I partially starte it... so please people, move on.

[Scarlett_Rain55]

I've always wanted a secondary character to get their man for once. It's always main guy x main girl. =(

And BleachOD, they did have a time alone. When Inoue persuades Ichigo to go to S.S. >_>

[Nervous Venus]

Mmhm. Orihime does fade into the background, and no one can really argue that away

Didn't that happen to her before in SS arc, when Ichigo and Rukia were parting ways? She just disappeared off the panel. I was wondering what was going on ;/

[Hari Michiru]

Didn't that happen to her before in SS arc, when Ichigo and Rukia were parting ways? She just disappeared off the panel. I was wondering what was going on ;/


She did for that one too? I was talking about the UliqIchi reunion xD.

[Nervous Venus]

I know you were talking about the UlqIchi reunion. I was just mulling over the thought of Orihime fading into the background also during the IchiRuki reunion at the end of SS arc.

[Hari Michiru]

I know you were talking about the UlqIchi reunion. I was just mulling over the thought of Orihime fading into the background also during the IchiRuki reunion at the end of SS arc.

Ohh, lol. Yeah, that does seem to happen so often.

[Scarlett_Rain55]

Is it possible Kubo likes both of his pairings? I know I do, in my little story. I try to add a balance in scenes and symbolism between the 2 ships. >_>

[Hari Michiru]

Is it possible Kubo likes both of his pairings? I know I do, in my little story. I try to add a balance in scenes and symbolism between the 2 ships. >_>


LOL threesome. Ichigo sure knows how to make the girls like him! :heh:

[HayashiTakara]

I don't get it...

I mean if Inoue didn't even have any chance to be with Kurosaki-kuuun, waaaaaaaaaay before Rukia even appeared, how's it any different now?

Like I said before, Inoue had a crush on Ichigo, regardless of Rukia's presence. Her crush only grew more as she realized there was an actual competition for him. That's very typical of girls if you ask me. <---- girls only make their move when they realize there's a competition for his affection. I'm a girl, so I know. (Though some will disagree to my opinion about girls :D)

Let's not forget, if not for Rukia and Ichigo's accidental meeting, Inoue wouldn't be any closer than a classmate to Ichigo. Inoue wouldn't get her hairpains to start flying and transform to pretty little fairies, she wouldn't have gone to SS, and etc. At least, that is how it appears to me.

EDIT: And please, let's not discuss the name thing. I'm getting real tired of it, and I am fully aware that I partially starte it... so please people, move on.

Have the world gone mad? I actually mostly agree with you :eyespin::twitch::eyespin:

[CMHerrera]

I don't get it...

I mean if Inoue didn't even have any chance to be with Kurosaki-kuuun, waaaaaaaaaay before Rukia even appeared, how's it any different now?

Like I said before, Inoue had a crush on Ichigo, regardless of Rukia's presence. Her crush only grew more as she realized there was an actual competition for him. That's very typical of girls if you ask me. <---- girls only make their move when they realize there's a competition for his affection. I'm a girl, so I know. (Though some will disagree to my opinion about girls :D)

Let's not forget, if not for Rukia and Ichigo's accidental meeting, Inoue wouldn't be any closer than a classmate to Ichigo. Inoue wouldn't get her hairpains to start flying and transform to pretty little fairies, she wouldn't have gone to SS, and etc. At least, that is how it appears to me.

EDIT: And please, let's not discuss the name thing. I'm getting real tired of it, and I am fully aware that I partially starte it... so please people, move on.

okay okay so Orhime crush on Ichigo grew more because there was compatition, But.... did Rukia grew more closer to Ichigo? She knows also that Orhime like Ichigo. Mabe not..

[HaNa-san]

I don't get it...

I mean if Inoue didn't even have any chance to be with Kurosaki-kuuun, waaaaaaaaaay before Rukia even appeared, how's it any different now?

Like I said before, Inoue had a crush on Ichigo, regardless of Rukia's presence. Her crush only grew more as she realized there was an actual competition for him. That's very typical of girls if you ask me. <---- girls only make their move when they realize there's a competition for his affection. I'm a girl, so I know. (Though some will disagree to my opinion about girls :D)

Let's not forget, if not for Rukia and Ichigo's accidental meeting, Inoue wouldn't be any closer than a classmate to Ichigo. Inoue wouldn't get her hairpains to start flying and transform to pretty little fairies, she wouldn't have gone to SS, and etc. At least, that is how it appears to me.

EDIT: And please, let's not discuss the name thing. I'm getting real tired of it, and I am fully aware that I partially starte it... so please people, move on.

That's exactly what I thought :D read my mini douijin XD page 1 (http://hana-sun.deviantart.com/art/orihime-and-the-strawberry-01-71113595/) page 2 (http://hana-sun.deviantart.com/art/orihime-and-the-strawberry-02-71113974/) page 3 (http://hana-sun.deviantart.com/art/orihime-and-the-strawberry-03-71114436/)

[CMHerrera]

That's exactly what I thought :D read my mini douijin XD page 1 (http://hana-sun.deviantart.com/art/orihime-and-the-strawberry-01-71113595/) page 2 (http://hana-sun.deviantart.com/art/orihime-and-the-strawberry-02-71113974/) page 3 (http://hana-sun.deviantart.com/art/orihime-and-the-strawberry-03-71114436/)

nice mini douijin :D ......

.......oh and some one tell me do you think rukia grew more closer to ichigo??? any moments?

[monir]

That's exactly what I thought :D read my mini douijin XD page 1 (http://hana-sun.deviantart.com/art/orihime-and-the-strawberry-01-71113595/) page 2 (http://hana-sun.deviantart.com/art/orihime-and-the-strawberry-02-71113974/) page 3 (http://hana-sun.deviantart.com/art/orihime-and-the-strawberry-03-71114436/)
Very nice! :) Who knew eating a strawberry could be such an ordeal. These two girls really want their vitamin C. *did that sound dirty? wonder why* :innocent:

[Scarlett_Rain55]

Where did all the hardcore Ichihime debaters go!? I'm so scared and alone and defenseless without an army to cheer for. =(

[Mr. DJ]

Look, I'm just saying that in their culture, (sometimes) it's considered rude and mocking, to call people by their first names. If you really read the whole post and observed it very carefully, then you'd notice Ichigo pointing his sword to Byakuya. That's rude to the extent, regardless of culture or race.

Please study more on their culture to get my point.

didn't I say "Ichigo isn't the most formal person..." ???

you don't need to understand the culture for something as simple as pointing a weapon at a enemy.

[HayashiTakara]

Where did all the hardcore Ichihime debaters go!? I'm so scared and alone and defenseless without an army to cheer for. =(

Just tired of repeating the same stuff, thats all.

Don't worry, once it gets back to Ichigo Inoue and Ulquiorra, there will be something new to talk about.

[Ichigo&Rukia]

Didn't that happen to her before in SS arc, when Ichigo and Rukia were parting ways? She just disappeared off the panel. I was wondering what was going on ;/
Yeah
It was because of the privacy. The focus was on Ichigo and Rukia. Orihime was not really needed.

[Mr. DJ]

Just tired of repeating the same stuff, thats all.

Don't worry, once it gets back to Ichigo Inoue and Ulquiorra, there will be something new to talk about.

indeed...there's nothing really left to argue about w/out going into a freakin circle for the eleventybillionth time

[Scarlett_Rain55]

Are there any hardcore IchiRuki essays out there? I just read a really good Ichihime essay (even though the article is 2 years old...) and was wondering if there was an IchiRuki one out there, so my dreams can be shattered again....>_>

[yuuk1]

... you can read mine if you click "My best rant yet" under my sig picture..

or just click here if you can't access it, for some reason:

http://www.bleachasylum.com/showpost.php?p=643041&postcount=142

[BleachOD]

I'd like to answer your questions even if I'm Ichigo/IchiRuki fan myself...but I'm on my mobile right now and can't use my supah-pupah typing-on-keyboard skills... T_T...It's okay.;) Actually only IchiRuki=ers can answer. :p

Seriously you guys...answer the questions.

Please explain the differences. :confused:

How come both have acted the same, but only one is love? Did you know Inoue loved Ichigo before she confessed? How were you able to tell? How come you don't see it as love when Rukia has done the same things? (Barring the confession to a comatose Ichigo). What does "Left Open" really mean? Inoue doesn't get a resolution are we to assume he maybe...hopefully, finally ...noticed her? He's just friends with them all? If so;why?

*Waiting.....*:uhoh:

[debbiechan]

Are there any hardcore IchiRuki essays out there? I just read a really good Ichihime essay (even though the article is 2 years old...) and was wondering if there was an IchiRuki one out there, so my dreams can be shattered again....>_>


One of my favorites, "Not a Pet Bunny" by Mezzo is here: http://community.livejournal.com/bleachness/151303.html#cutid1

I've written shipping essays but never an IchiRuki manifesto. Believe it or not, they're not my OTP or anything. :heh: (I prefer yaoi and IshiHime) I mean to get around to writing something about their manifest destiny, though, to counteract some of the very lame anti-IchiRuki arguments I've heard lately and to pour over some of the sand castles I've seen being built over the IchiOri possibility in the past year. IchiOri is easier to knock down than IchiRuki is to prove as a canon inevitability, though. There's no proof anywhere--maybe I'll just sit and watch as Kubo-sensei clarifies his character's relationships for his audience. He seemed to have gone a good ways in doing that with the very blah treatment he gave the IchiOri "reunion" before Ulquiorra recently.

I do think that Kubo will clarify and resolve the romance issues. Some ships will find the bottom of the ocean--but hell, there's always fanon to enjoy! Fanfic and fanart is a wonderful place (even though Kubo's universe is the absolute best-est, imv! :D)

[yuuk1]

How come both have acted the same, but only one is love? Did you know Inoue had feelings for Ichigo before she confessed? How were you able to tell? How come you don't see it as love when Rukia has done the same things? (Barring the confession to a comatose Ichigo). What does "Left Open" really mean? Inoue doesn't get a resolution are we to assume he maybe...hopefully, finally ...noticed her? He's just friends with them all? If so;why?



IMO, the difference between the two is Inoue talks of great things(like fighting for Kurosaki-kuuuun or her five lifetimes speech) yet no action has been executed in her side. Though it was admirable of her to try, yet we have not seen her actually do anything epic so far.

Unlike Rukia, when she says things, she does it with passion. (To me, that's saint like, really; and I didn't read How To Read Literature like a Professor for nothing, mind you:frustrated:) She puts her nakamas life before her. In addition, the thing that every Inoue rabid fans forget is that when Rukia said she wanted to stay in SS, it was because she wanted to restore her power and be able to fight beside Ichigo, as an equal. Which is another thing that Inoue tries to do, yet fails to do so(referring to the current arc, don't attack me).

I find Rukia's actions, words, and trust for Ichigo as a sign of more than just mutual understanding or platonic; as Inoue had already clarified for us (and so did the chapter cover) IchiRuki has already passed the nakama stage (ages ago!!!), and let's not forget the "That person who changed the world."

What I really don't get is, why some Inoue---->Ichigo fans try to ignore or deject what Inoue actually said about IchiRuki's relationship and her jealousy issues when they're the ones saying that Inoue knows Ichigo far better than Rukia. Please, do try to convince me. I'm all ears.:)

[BleachOD]

What I really don't get is, why some Inoue---->Ichigo fans try to ignore or deject what Inoue actually said about IchiRuki's relationship and her jealousy issues when they're the ones saying that Inoue knows Ichigo far better than Rukia. Please, do try to convince me. I'm all ears.:)
The rational is...She isn't always right. She knows him better, but not when it comes to Rukia.:rolleyes::heh: (Is that circular to anyone else but me?):uhoh:

[yuuk1]

@OD, lol I know..!:)

I was just questioning the belief of some Inoue---->Ichigo fans. Oh and I think I answered most of your questions :D heehee....! Though I'm not quite sure whether the answers were what you'd expect...!

[Ichigo_Strife728]

This is like the FFVII shipping wars kinda....

Tifa=Orihime
Rukia=Aeris

[BleachOD]

@OD, lol I know..!:)

I was just questioning the belief of some Inoue---->Ichigo fans. Oh and I think I answered most of your questions :D heehee....! Though I'm not quite sure whether the answers were what you'd expect...! Not quite...

People always shout "There has been NO PROOF" of Rukia's feelings.
So I want to know...barring the confessions How can both commit the same actions...
Yet only one can be construed as love, the other no more than friendship?

It doesn't make sense. I have been accused of being irrational. having ship glasses on...twisting things...:rolleyes:

Looking at IchiRuki and Ichihime camps evidence for both pairs. Who is really grasping at straws...Me or them? Hinto: It's not me:uhoh:

:heh:

[- HEROiNEx]

This is like the FFVII shipping wars kinda....

Tifa=Orihime
Rukia=Aeris
lollll
I think its the other way around. >x>;
Just my opinion.
Tifa is the one with the deep relationship with Cloud and history
Aerith is the one with the deep relationship with Zack and history, and when she meets Cloud she wants to get to know him, but never gets the chance much-like Orihime.

[Hari Michiru]

One of my favorites, "Not a Pet Bunny" by Mezzo is here: http://community.livejournal.com/bleachness/151303.html#cutid1

I've written shipping essays but never an IchiRuki manifesto. Believe it or not, they're not my OTP or anything. :heh: (I prefer yaoi and IshiHime) I mean to get around to writing something about their manifest destiny, though, to counteract some of the very lame anti-IchiRuki arguments I've heard lately and to pour over some of the sand castles I've seen being built over the IchiOri possibility in the past year. IchiOri is easier to knock down than IchiRuki is to prove as a canon inevitability, though. There's no proof anywhere--maybe I'll just sit and watch as Kubo-sensei clarifies his character's relationships for his audience. He seemed to have gone a good ways in doing that with the very blah treatment he gave the IchiOri "reunion" before Ulquiorra recently.

I do think that Kubo will clarify and resolve the romance issues. Some ships will find the bottom of the ocean--but hell, there's always fanon to enjoy! Fanfic and fanart is a wonderful place (even though Kubo's universe is the absolute best-est, imv! :D)


I want to bow down at his feet. Mezzo clearly points out all the holes in the Ichihime ship! (Not that I ship IchiRuki anymore (Ichigo's too lame to deserve Rukia), but it's just that Ichigo isn't suited for Orihime (and I don't like her)).

For all the Ichihime shippers with their googles on too tight to click on the link, I'll copy and paste it here.


In my experience as a Bleach fan I’ve encountered many arguments in favour of IchiHime and against IchiRuki – and I’ve never felt particularly bothered by them (except for that short period of time when I was still reading the SS arc and people on the Internet kept announcing the advent of IchiHime as if it was some kind of done deal – and I naively thought those people, having actually read the entire manga, must have been privy to some knowledge about future events consolidating their ship as opposed to the – in my opinion – more logical follow-up of IchiRuki. I spent almost three days pouting disappointedly and waiting for the axe to fall – before I actually caught up with the manga myself and wondered if some kind of epidemic of insanity had broken out on the web. Ah, fun times indeed http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/urahara.gif).

Some of those arguments ignore the context of individual scenes, some of them ignore a whole 200 CHAPTERS worth of story, some of them insist Ichigo is ‘just shy’, some of them insist that Orihime is ‘just making a big deal out of nothing’ with her jealousy, some of them insist that Urahara is an IchiHime shipper because he had so and so votes in the second popularity poll, some of them insist Rukia is ‘just one of the guys’ for Ichigo, and so on, and so on; I won’t bother making a complete list, you’ve all heard them before.

That said, there are a few reasonable arguments out there (once again, not bothered by them because I disagree, but at least they’re based on something more than 1+2=3+2=5+2=7=CANON!ICHIHIME – or whatever the hell it is. http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/zomg.png Man, sometimes when I read these things I’m reminded of 1984… don’t give up, Winston! IchiRuki is there for all to see – O’Brien is just twisting things! http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/yelling.gif)… so, in this little essay of mine, I would like to concentrate on one of the most ‘reasonable’ arguments used by the ‘other side’ and show why it really can’t be used anymore. This is the argument I’m referring to:

“Ichigo and Rukia have a wonderful relationship between them, but nothing suggests that it is a romantic one – it could simply be a platonic one, in which case Ichigo would be free to develop a love interest in Orihime before the end of the manga”.

Okay. I can see why some people could say that in the beginning and even during the SS arc (as romantic as it was, in my opinion, I can understand people thinking of it as Ichigo being Ichigo and dismissing all the IchiRuki scenes as powerful and touching, but in no way conclusively romantic) – and the reason why I’ve decided to essay about this particulat subject is that (unluckily for all those biased fans who keep claiming that the IchiRuki ship is dead ever since the SS arc ended) it stopped holding any value and it was contradicted quite clearly by Kubo himself only in the two arcs AFTER the SS one. Because if you try to read the manga with an unbiased eye (well, as unbiased as it is possible for a fan to be http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif), you’ll see that the Arrancar and the HM arcs – far from killing our dear ship – have done nothing but ‘bringing water to our mill’ (as we Italians like to say).

Why? For two reasons in particular.

1) We had another rescue arc. We had another rescue arc. EVERYTHING that could have be said about Ichigo behaving like a knight in shining armor and a romantic fool in SS for the simple reason that ‘he is Ichigo’ has been clearly and insistently proven wrong by Kubo in the HM arc, because we had a similar situation with a different person and Ichigo was consistently presented as having no clear goal in sight and no passionate declarations in mind. Conclusion: the difference lies in the person – Rukia is special and on a completely different level than that of a simple friend.

2) A great number of scenes that point to Ichigo and Rukia thinking of each other in romantic terms, or at the very least singling the other out over everyone else (except for the 213 look. THAT one was romantic, no two ways about it). ANYTHING that could be said about these scenes being ‘ambiguous’ and ‘interpretable in different ways’ is disproved quite easily by Kubo’s expert use of panels, thoughts and words – since they pratically TELL US how those scenes are meant to be interpreted.

Yes, you heard me right.

KUBO TITE TELLS US HOW THOSE SCENES ARE MEANT TO BE INTERPRETED. http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/yelling.gif And I don’t mean things such as: ‘Orihime was drawn in the panel exactly below Ichigo in that one page in that one chapter while Nnoitra and Neliel were fighting, Kubo MUST HAVE DONE IT FOR A REASON! It’s LOVE!’ (yes, I’ve heard things like that before); let’s see what I mean.

First of all, let’s go back to the aftermath of the goodbye scene.

That scene was simply wonderful – very emotional and fulfilling, yet it could still have signified a bittersweet and touching ending for Ichigo and Rukia, thus opening up new possibilities for Ichigo to develop a stronger and ‘more romantic-slanted’ connection with someone else. A few things still didn’t seem to add up (such as Ichigo’s disappointed expression and his hand-clenching, or Rukia’s hesitation when she confessed that she had decided to stay in SS, but I’m sure Kubo could have found a way around those).

It would perhaps have been a little late to develop a new love interest for the main character, but it still could have been done – just think of Byakuya and Hisana, their story took less than a chapter and it’s still so beautiful and believable. Kubo is a master of relationships, I’m certain he could have done it quite easily, especially since Rukia was out of the picture and with things resolved between her and Renji she could have conceivably been ‘paired up’ with him with no harm done – Ichigo could have started discovering Orihime’s feelings and reacting to them in such a way as to create an actual love triangle, and everything could have progressed from there.

My I’m-still-not-finished-reading-the-manga-and-therefore-I-guess-I-should-accept-that-all-those-IchiHime-shippers-must-be-on-to-something self was completely convinced this post-SS period would be the proverbial axe that would cut the head of my dear IchiRuki ship.

Instead, from this...

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay1.jpg

...we got to this.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay2.jpg

Mmmh.

But Ichigo was feeling down because of Orihime! She couldn’t cheer him up just because he is so ‘in luuuve’ with her that nothing in the world would have been able to erase the guilt he felt at letting her and Tatsuki, and Chad, and another shitload of people get hurt!

Orihime, dearie, how are we supposed to see Ichigo’s oh-so-in-luuuuve behaviour pre-Rukia-return?

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay3.jpg

Thank you, Orihime.

SO THEN RUKIA CAME BACK.

Shinigami, how are we supposed to read Ichigo’s Gaaaaaaah!espression?

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay4.jpg

Thank you, guys. Ichigo’s classmates, would you like to add anything to this detailed analysis?

Ichigo’s classmates: *disappear from existence*

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay5.jpg

…how very poignant! Thank you all. Now, back to the matter at hand.

ICHIGO IS BACK TO HIS TRUE SELF IN LESS THAN A CHAPTER.

But that wasn’t such a big deal! Besides, Rukia brought Ichigo to Orihime because she knew Orihime was the main cause of his depression, she acted just like a matchmaker!

Orihime, dearie, please tell us how we’re supposed to interpret this scene.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay6.jpg

Thank you, you poor dear. Now, this alone would normally have been quite enough to paint the scene irrevocably as having romantic undertones – BUT DEBBIE’S BOYFRIEND DOESN’T STOP THERE! http://bleachasylum.com/images/satellite/smilies/crazy.gif Orihime, I’m afraid I’m gonna have to torment you a while longer. Tell us again what you think of the scene, but out loud, if you please.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay6a.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay6b.jpg

Yep, not jealous in the least. *hugs Orihime* http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/hug.gif Don’t worry, you’ll get over it eventually! Notice how Matsumoto tries to help her with her self-confidence problems, but doesn’t actually deny anything about Ichigo and Rukia’s relationship. She was there at the reunion scene too, after all.

Oh, and as for the ‘Orihime is the main cause of his depression’… come on, guys! It’s easy to extrapolate the main cause of a character’s depression when you see what is the turning point that allows them to get out of it.

When Ichigo was desperate enough to be eager to DIE after Rukia got taken away by SS, what got him out of his flunk? That’s right, Urahara telling him that there was a way for him to reach SS and save Rukia.

Cause of depression -> Rukia has been taken away http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/devestated.png
I can save Rukia -> Yay! http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/wha.png

When Ichigo was gradually reaching the point of Fail!Ichigo post goodbye-scene, what got him out of it? That’s right, Rukia’s return and her PERFECT encouragement (which touched all the right points that had been giving him trouble – the hollow, the failure to protect, everything).

Cause of depression -> Rukia is not here, I failed to protect, Shirosaki is cooler than me http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/devestated.png
Rukia has come back, she trusts me and believes I’ll become stronger and win against my hollow -> Yay! http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/wha.png

When Orihime (and Rukia *cough*, and all of his other friends and companions) was taken away, what got him out of the depression he fell into right after? That’s right, his companions’ return – first Ishida and Chad, then Renji and Rukia. Notice how Urahara’s ‘reassurance’ about the fact that yes, he had a way to smuggle him into HM, did nothing for him – no change of expression, no peak of interest, he even asked Urahara if it was alright for him to help! http://bleachasylum.com/images/satellite/smilies/che.gif

But here is Ichigo after Ishida and Chad appear and prove to him they’ve regained their strength and are ready to battle at his side.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay7.jpg

See the difference? Let’s look a little further - post Rukia and Renji's return!

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay8.jpg

Mmmmmh, happy Ichigo. http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/love.gif By the way – Renji, are we supposed to see Ichigo and Rukia’s conversation as something normal and friendly, or as something quite intimate that requires a minimum of privacy?

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay9.jpg

Thank you, Renji, you’ve always been an understanding guy.

But we’re getting ahead of ourselves here, so let’s go back to perhaps THE most important point of debate all over Bleach pairing forums, shall we? The 213 LOOK.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay10.jpg

Now, this is one scene that – more than anything else – CANNOT BE interpreted as anything but romantic. Orihime, please tell us how we’re meant to see it.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay11.jpg

Thank you, my poor dear. *pinches cheeks* Since people can be stubborn, would you mind reiterating?

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay12.jpg

Thank you. Notice how Kubo purposefully underlined Orihime's romantic feelings for Ichigo just before this scene, in order to color the entire thing with those particular undertones... really, it’s not as if the ‘character in love with other character watches and recognizes the other character’s feelings for someone else, thus underlining the other’s expressions of love’ cliché has never been used before. Orihime already did it – more than once:

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay13.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay14.jpg

It’s been used in many other manga as well – Naruto, for example:

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay15.jpg

…lol, my Ichigo=Sakura correlations keep coming back, uh... http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/fu.png

Now, then! The parting scene. Once again, Ichigo is feeling particularly helpful and makes it quite clear what his problem is:

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay16.jpg

Lol, Ichigo! Your behavour here is SO NORMAL that it actually scares the shit out of Ishida. http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/wha.png

Anyway, Kubo decides to underline the point even further (hey, he got really depressed after that whole mishap with the children thinking the Soukyoku was Yamamoto’s bankai! http://bleachasylum.com/images/satellite/smilies/hm.png), so here are some other reactions to Ichigo’s little fit.

Renji? Rukia? Ishida? Chad? Opinions on Ichigo’s OOC behaviour?

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay17.jpg

Thank you, guys. I wonder what they would have said if they’d seen him in that little Episode 167 filler. *shakes head* Put him into a nursing home, most likely. Because there’s canon, purposeful OOC and then there’s just OOC!OOC. http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/amuse.gif Ichigo, please confirm the others’ interpretation of the obvious so that we can move on to the next moment, please.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay18.jpg

Thank you, Ichigo.

So! We’ve finally reached our last ‘real’ moment, Rukia’s ‘death’! Our ‘last’ moment, because the plot apparently requires for them to stay separated for a loooong time before the inevitable reunion happens (and with it an immediate upheaval in the fandom, I’m certain). http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/crying.gif But Kubo loves us (as well as IchiRuki itself) well enough that he made sure to leave us with a beautiful and mutual last moment right here, before undertaking the continuation of that endless mess of fight that is the rest of the HM arc. http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/sleepy.gif

Oh, yes indeed, mutual. If you’ve noticed, I’ve concentrated mostly on Ichigo in my essay, because in my opinion, his are the feelings Kubo has decided to concentrate upon the most in the Arrancar and the HM arc (well, apart from Orihime’s, I mean http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif) – Rukia has kept demonstrating again and again her loyalty, understanding and affection for Ichigo, but apart from the ‘heart’ speech and the HM ‘nakama’ scene there were no particular romantic undertones in her scenes (and even those could have been argued away as non-romantic. Not that I think they are, but for the sake of my argument, they can’t be used as definite proof – we have no Renji looking at Rukia looking at Ichigo and bowing his head in defeat, so to speak http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif). The romantic undertones in Rukia’s actions and thoughts were mostly concentrated on before these two arcs, in my opinion.

Except, of course, for this one moment.

Rukia. On the verge of death. Thinking of her important people.

Ichigo. New panel. Beautiful profile. Last face to be seen (except for Orihime, obviously). Alone. In a completely different category than all the others. CAN WE GET ANY MORE OBVIOUS THAN THIS?! WHAT CATEGORY IS LEFT AFTER ‘FRIENDS’ AND ‘BROTHERS/FAMILY’? IT’S NOT ‘FAMILY’S PETS’, LET ME TELL YOU!

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay19.jpg

This is not the first time it happens – but while Ichigo got the last, biggest panel at the Soukyoku scene as well, the categories weren’t so well defined in that moment. Once again, this is a case of Kubo telling us how to read what her writes and draws.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay20.jpg

As for Ichigo? Yeah, obvious reaction is obvious.

I won’t bother repeating once again how Ichigo’s different reactions when his best friend Chad falls and when Rukia falls, his disbelieving expressions of desperation, his willingness to forgo a fight, his decision to go all out from the very beginning once he IS forced to fight, the way he apparently doesn’t even remember he’s supposed to be there for Orihime until Ulquiorra mentions her directly, all point to Ichigo being COMPLETELY OUT OF HIS MIND WITH WORRY FOR RUKIA. Because, as debbie once pointed out, his choice to abandon the mission (Orihime) to go to Rukia is very morally loaded – and it’s simply preposterous to believe Ichigo made it out of anything but extreme desperation and worry. He’s a generous and protective person, as Nell is nice enough to remind us a few chapters later, when dear Orihime has apparently forgotten.

What I’d like to underline here is instead another thing you’ve probably all heard before, more relevant to the specific subject of my essay: ICHIGO WAS NOT FIGHTING FOR ORIHIME. For God’s sake, there couldn’t be a more clear case of ‘Kubo telling us how to read a scene’ and ‘people consciously ignoring that and making up their own author-contradicting interpretation’ than this – except perhaps the 213 look and Ichigo’s fight with Grimmjow (seriously, Grimmjow told Ichigo he was there to fight and Ichigo eventually said yes. HOW MUCH CLEARER COULD KUBO EVER POSSIBLY BE?! http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/headscratch.gif).

So, Ichigo. Do you WANT to fight Ulquiorra (for your dear lady’s honor)? And if not, why are you fighting him again?

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/IchiRukiessay21.jpg

Thank you, Ichigo. You couldn’t have been clearer. At this point, anyone who refuses to believe you, well – refuses to believe Kubo, I guess. *shrugs* And a HUGE amount of other characters who obviously speak for him.

I could say more, but this has already become long enough – which is why I tried to set a few limits to the actual content of my essay. *cough* http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif I hope this has been an enjoyable read for everyone, and that I didn’t end up boring people by repeating points made again and again by all the wonderful members of this wonderful FC!

…..nnnnnnnh, how I wish we had some new material to discuss! http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/crying.gif But I can be patient a while longer, I know we’ll be rewarded very soon. http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/love.gif

And you should be too! http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/hug.gif

KUBO SAYS SO.

WITH EVERY LITTLE PANEL OF THAT WONDERFUL MANGA THAT IS BLEACH. http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/yelling.gif


P.S. You know how some people (i.e. parents) sometimes lament that we don't learn anything from manga and fandom? Yeah, well, I've just learned how to make basic Excel graphics. http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/learn.gif And here are my first products! http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

A GRAPHIC OVERVIEW OF FAIL!ICHIGO IN THE SS AND HM ARCS. http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/nuts.gif ENJOY!

Spoiler! <input ... >
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/FailIchigo-agraphicoverview1.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll159/mezzo_marinaio/FailIchigo-agraphicoverview2.jpg

I SENSE A COMMON DENOMINATOR IN ALL THIS! http://bleachasylum.com/images/smilies/learn.gif CAN YOU SAY 'RUKIA'?

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*applauds Mezzo*

*puts on shipper boots*

A fun tidbit someone noticed the other day when discussing shipping was that Ichigo has yet to say "I'm going to save Orihime" in the HM arc the way he said so many times with so much conviction and passion in the SS arc about Rukia. Sure, he mentioned that he was going to bring her back in a list with his other nakama but it wasn't that singular "I will save Orihime." Then someone pointed out that instead, in the infamous much debated When The Sun Turned Around for the Moon Chapter 270, Ichigo actually did the say words again about Rukia.

Yup. He said. "I'm going to save Rukia" in a crucial moment in Orihime's own rescue arc.

I don't know why I still like to keep arguing these points because it's game, set, and match as far as I'm concerned for IchiRuki but we'll see. Someone out there has to think of something humiliating for me to do if Kubo goes IchiOri and I'll promise to do it if he does.

Oh, and finally, I just have to spazz over one thing. Everyone knows my pet (het) pairing is IshiHime. Okay it's my favorite pairing even over Ishida/Ishida or any other yaoi combo. Everyone knows my pairing hasn't had any canon interaction for months and I'm hanging by a thread here just waiting for Kubo-sensei to pick up the stitch from SS and reunite that pair. But dang, people, what's this I hear now from IchiOri fans about Ishida discounting Orihime's powers and Ichigo being the only one who understands her and commends her for her healing power? Wut?



Blah, blah, blah, I've heard this said not just today but here and around for a while now--that Ishida discounts Orihime's powers on the battlefield, that he puts her down and thinks she's no good and would be bad for her ego. Show me one time that Ichigo has ever to Orihime's face praised her powers? Even in the recent manga when he was pwned by her shield and was all "woo, she's gotten stronger" he wasn't even looking at her or speaking to her when he said it. Meanwhile the supposedly bad-for-Orihime *insert insane eyerolling here, eyerolling worthy of a gran mal seizure*ISHIDA tells Orihime to her face that's she's valuable on the field of war. Damn, it he's been in battle WITH HER:

Chapter 120 Shake Hands with Grenades

http://pics.livejournal.com/_debbiechan_/pic/0008q413

[Sabaku Kyu]

Inoue rabid fans forget is that when Rukia said she wanted to stay in SS, it was because she wanted to restore her power and be able to fight beside Ichigo, as an equal.

I don't remember Rukia saying anything about staying in SS just so she could fight by Ichigo's side again. All she said was that she intended to stay, not that she was staying until she was 100% and then coming back to be with him in the real world.

It was pretty obvious that, due to plot, Rukia would be reunited with Ichigo. But for them, it was meant to be uncertain as to when or if they would see each other again. That's why Rukia telling Ichigo she intended to stay was treated so dramatically. Even though Ichigo's an important person to her, Rukia accepted her role and responsibility as a shinigami over life in the real world with him.

But conveniently, the next mission assigned to Rukia involved her working with Ichigo again, so everything went back to normal.


What I really don't get is, why some Inoue---->Ichigo fans try to ignore or deject what Inoue actually said about IchiRuki's relationship and her jealousy issues when they're the ones saying that Inoue knows Ichigo far better than Rukia. Please, do try to convince me. I'm all ears.:)

IMO, where people make the mistake is concluding that Orihime's just jealous of Rukia "taking her guy". Orihime (like most of Ichigo's classmates) thought there might be a spark between Rukia and Ichigo early in the series. And even though she had a crush on Ichigo, it didn't bother her at all. In fact, because of her sometimes weird reasoning she thought it was a good thing. So why she suddenly jealous of a relationship she suspected to exist since before SS arc?

Rukia's closeness to Ichigo didn't bother Orihime until she realized that Rukia was able to help Ichigo emotionally in a way no one else could. And when it comes down to it, it's been shown that Orihime measures her own worth on her ability to support Ichigo. To her, Rukia was a reminder of what she wasn't able to to do.

And yeah, she probably sees romantic potential in their relationship which doesn't help ease her mind, but in IMO, it's the support that Rukia is able to provide for Ichigo, more than romance, that caused jealousy.

Edit: @ Hachi Michiru that was an informative post. I need to get work pasting scenes and circling character's eyebrows to prove that they're thinking what I assume they're thinking. Also, I need to create some scientific-looking graphs to show the data I've imagined collected

[Amirali]

Come on, Sabaku Kyu, the graph was hilarious. I appreciated it, at least.

Ahem. Nice analysis of Orihime's feelings and why she was jealous. To add to that, it's why when Matsumoto was comfroting Orihime, she made sure to point out that Ichigo needed her support as well. Matsu correctly identified the source of Inoue's angst as that feeling she couldn't support him like Rukia could, rather than simply "Rukia's gonna get him from me"
Did you know Inoue loved Ichigo before she confessed?

Only question I'll answer for now, since it's factual. Didn't Orihime say she loved Ichigo well before the confession? I don't recall the chapter, but I remember Kakashi involved in a debate about that.

[Scarlett_Rain55]

Oh my, my dreams have been crushed again. Quick someone post an amazing Ichihime essay! I've only read this one.

http://community.livejournal.com/ship_manifesto/144471.html

Which is like 2 years old, I need a new and fresh one!

[HayashiTakara]

Oh my, my dreams have been crushed again. Quick someone post an amazing Ichihime essay! I've only read this one.

http://community.livejournal.com/ship_manifesto/144471.html

Which is like 2 years old, I need a new and fresh one!

Read the pilot chapter, that should be enough to make you happy.

[RingoPango]

This is like the FFVII shipping wars kinda....

Tifa=Orihime
Rukia=Aeris

haha yeah I agree. Fans are just going to debate about it for ever :P

I hope Orihime or Rukia don't die tho!

[Zoe]

Read the pilot chapter, that should be enough to make you happy.

Uh-huh, the same one where Inoue is dead? :rolleyes:

[Sinta]

Uh-huh, the same one where Inoue is dead? :rolleyes:

A pilot chapter that wasn't used for the real story? Might as well go read a fanfic while you're at it.

[HayashiTakara]

Uh-huh, the same one where Inoue is dead? :rolleyes:

A pilot chapter that wasn't used for the real story? Might as well go read a fanfic while you're at it.

Love how defensive you guys get, can't wait for the others responses. *munches on crackers*

[yuuk1]

I don't remember Rukia saying anything about staying in SS just so she could fight by Ichigo's side again. All she said was that she intended to stay, not that she was staying until she was 100% and then coming back to be with him in the real world.




Here, we see Renji encouraging Rukia to get back to her feet and learn to depend on other people, namely Ichigo and him.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/Syneiam/manga-rainbleach-ch155-18.png

She takes the advice. We then see her back pre-HM arc to cheer Ichigo up; though she did say she was assigned to be there for the Arrancars, what puzzles me is her reaction:

http://scans.mangafox.com/store/manga/9/197.0/compressed/_M7_Bleach_ch197_13.jpg Though it's only my perspective, Rukia didn't want Ichigo to think she returned for him, and the others as well.

So why is she suddenly jealous of a relationship she suspected to exist since before SS arc?

My answer to that is because Inoue has finally realized that she actually has feelings for Ichigo. Sure, she had suspicions in the beginning, however what some forget is Inoue's crush was just starting to bloom at that time. She used to be bubbly and make jokes about it too.

[monir]

...It's okay.;) Actually only IchiRuki=ers can answer. :p

Seriously you guys...answer the questions.

Please explain the differences. :confused:

How come both have acted the same, but only one is love? Did you know Inoue loved Ichigo before she confessed? How were you able to tell? How come you don't see it as love when Rukia has done the same things? (Barring the confession to a comatose Ichigo). What does "Left Open" really mean? Inoue doesn't get a resolution are we to assume he maybe...hopefully, finally ...noticed her? He's just friends with them all? If so;why?

*Waiting.....*:uhoh:
I'm smart enough to realize what kind of answers you are looking for, but I'm still unable to figure out how are those answers going to help you make your side of the argument any stronger...... just because every interpretation is going to stay subjective until there are some kind of specific dialogues that will confirm those long-held/suspected notion a character was associated with it (looks, facial expression, etc.) by a fan (BleachOD, HyashiTakara, etc.). In this case, you are trying to establish Rukia has displayed similar characteristics/behavior/signs/signals just like Orihime has done to show that she (Rukia) is just as interested in Ichigo romantically.

I think you are in for a long wait because no one should be able to answer those question to your liking without any bias associated as far as I've seen in the anime (mind you I'm an anime-only follower). We will know for sure when Kubo decides to make it clear-cut of his intention by stating in dialogues. One (crude) example of such dialogues in the following:
Rukia or Orihime: Ichigo or Kurosaki-kun, I love you.
Ichigo: I love you too baby. You want to shag now, or shag later?
Until then.... round and round we go.

[Zoe]

Love how defensive you guys get, can't wait for the others responses. *munches on crackers*

LOL, defensive? All we're doing is pointing out how absurd it is to use it as any kind of evidence.

[Warchef]

More like using the *rejected* pilot chapter, just like almost every other manga/anime tidbit in this thread, is just a circular argument.

[Sabaku Kyu]

Come on, Sabaku Kyu, the graph was hilarious. I appreciated it, at least.

Oh, yeah I found it funny too, :heh:. that just doesn't change the fact that he randomly made up a scale and plotted opinions on it.


Didn't Orihime say she loved Ichigo well before the confession? I don't recall the chapter, but I remember Kakashi involved in a debate about that.

I don't think so, it was just heavily implied.

Here, we see Renji encouraging Rukia to get back to her feet and learn to depend on other people, namely Ichigo and him.

Rukia learned to depend on others, but how exactly does that show she intended to go back to Ichigo as soon as her powers were restored?


She takes the advice. We then see her back pre-HM arc to cheer Ichigo up; though she did say she was assigned to be there for the Arrancars, what puzzles me is her reaction:

http://scans.mangafox.com/store/manga/9/197.0/compressed/_M7_Bleach_ch197_13.jpg Though it's only my perspective, Rukia didn't want Ichigo to think she returned for him, and the others as well.

Well Renji had already made it clear that Rukia was chosen by to go by Yama, not that she volunteered. It seemed like Rukia just wanted to add that she was selected for her skills, not just her friendship with Ichigo.


My answer to that is because Inoue has finally realized that she actually has feelings for Ichigo. Sure, she had suspicions in the beginning, however what some forget is Inoue's crush was just starting to bloom at that time. She used to be bubbly and make jokes about it too.

It was established that Orihime had a crush on Ichigo since the start of high school. They're still freshmen at the start of the series, so that is maybe not a long time. But still, it seemed to be pretty serious even then. Her feelings for Ichigo were the main reason her brother became a hollow and attacked. Besides Tatsuki, Ichigo was the only person Orihime felt she had any kind of bond with.

[yuuk1]

Well Renji had already made it clear that Rukia was chosen by to go by Yama, not that she volunteered. It seemed like Rukia just wanted to add that she was selected for her skills, not just her friendship with Ichigo.


It was established that Orihime had a crush on Ichigo since the start of high school. They're still freshmen at the start of the series, so that is maybe not a long time. But still, it seemed to be pretty serious even then. Her feelings for Ichigo were the main reason her brother became a hollow and attacked. Besides Tatsuki, Ichigo was the only person Orihime felt she had any kind of bond with.


I'm just saying "actions speak louder than words." That's why I pointed out Rukia's reaction.

In addition, there's another reason as to why Inoue stopped praying for/to Sora:

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/Syneiam/Bleach-01-06-10.png

Inoue stopped praying so Sora wouldn't be worried so much for her anymore.

She only felt that Ichigo had some sort of bond with her because they share a pain of losing somebody dear to them. Hence the title given to the chapter, "One way Sympathy"

[BleachOD]

Read the pilot chapter, that should be enough to make you happy.

It was rejected. :uhoh: Rukia still lived with Ichigo:heh:

However I will admit KT probably intended her to be a real contender. However during the revisiting ...He realize Orihime cannot compete with the IchiRuki bond. :heh:Thus she became a tool, to give us insight. (Ichigo's feelings for Rukia that is..)
I'm smart enough to realize what kind of answers you are looking for, but I'm still unable to figure out how are those answers going to help you make your side of the argument any stronger...... just because every interpretation is going to stay subjective until there are some kind of specific dialogues that will confirm those long-held/suspected notion a character was associated with it (looks, facial expression, etc.) by a fan (BleachOD, HyashiTakara, etc.). In this case, you are trying to establish Rukia has displayed similar characteristics/behavior/signs/signals just like Orihime has done to show that she (Rukia) is just as interested in Ichigo romantically.

I think you are in for a long wait because no one should be able to answer those question to your liking without any bias associated as far as I've seen in the anime (mind you I'm an anime-only follower). We will know for sure when Kubo decides to make it clear-cut of his intention by stating in dialogues. One (crude) example of such dialogues in the following:
Rukia or Orihime: Ichigo or Kurosaki-kun, I love you.
Ichigo: I love you too baby. You want to shag now, or shag later?
Until then.... round and round we go.

If they answer you will see. It will be game over...:heh:

Back em to corner...

I can end this real quick with common sense if I would just get an answer.

[monir]

If they answer you will see. It will be game over...:heh:

Back em to corner...

I can end this real quick with common sense if I would just get an answer.
So you are relying on common sense to take heed in this thread 6900+ posts later? Hmmm... I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Sure! May I also say that you are most likely going to set yourself up for not so distant future.

Ta!

[Sinta]

LOL, defensive? All we're doing is pointing out how absurd it is to use it as any kind of evidence.

I know right. The request was an essay; he cited a pilot chapter I just wasn't seeing the connection.

[BleachOD]

So you are relying on common sense to take heed in this thread 6900+ posts later?
Damn that was a great comeback.:heh: I totally didn't see it.

I have been using it all along.(---does not. IchiRuki does) It doesn't take a genius...

No this is something different altogether. If they would just answer...I could make them see how "Orihime doesn't have a chance in hell "

They are not answering because they CAN NOT. :heh: *Actually trick questions. While perfectly reasonable. They cannot be answered without admitting IchiRuki pwns all. I wasn't really expecting an answer...Only insults as usual *

If they can what's stopping them?


The only difference in Rukia's and Orihime's behavior is that confession and that is it. Every sign Kubo ever gave you that Orihime loves Ichigo. Rukia has done THE EXACT SAME THING! The only difference in the relationships. Ichigo (when he's with Rukia) is always alive and awake and more to point He PARTICIPATES! Not so with Orihime.
The only time he was in one of a GREAT ICHIHIME moment. He was unconscious and didn't know shit. :heh:That is not an advance. :nono::heh:

Blue isn't either. So she is good a neutral. She is just an Orihime fan. She is not happy with the way her character recently(Ok not so recent) developed. She is just a real fan and accepts all her. (That's what real fans do. They don't bitch when someone points out the flaws in their fave chara)
She finally admitted there was no real difference in THEIR *that's both of em* behaviors. It just seems gentler from Orihime *Or something like that*

Now aside from Ichigo and Rukia's ...never mind. It's not like you will seriously read it. I will save it for someone who will.

Hmmm... I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Sure! May I also say that you are most likely going to set yourself up for not so distant future.

.

You are not really one to judge because you already said you have never ever read all of any of my posts in any of it's entirety. You don't particpate...You are biased as hell.

Don't be snide.:( It does not suit everyone. You'd be better off with your own natural wit and charm...and a wee bit more impartiality.
You only praise those that dislike ships or those you think disproved IchiRuki. You delete more IchiRuki one liners and posts for instigating than you do those damn demons.

That's not only egotistical it's narrow minded too.(Even if you swear you dislike shipping. You are a DEMON if I ever saw one) You really ignorant of my views

Sometimes I just disagree!!!! <<Didn't know it was a crime>> I say it the OD way. These people are not real!!!
I am just direct. I don't bite my tongue for anyone...not even moderators.

They shouldn't just say anything to users because they can. It's why I always get infractions everywhere. I hate a forum tyrant...:upset:


...I hate to contradict myself. I dont do so; ever. I am just a mood person. Sometimes I just don't feel like saying a lot. (If I am not ALWAYS being analytical or examining panels people are not satisfied.) When I do not and do not elaborate people start assuming things. Your opinion of me is due to ignorance and your own warped perceptions of me, because of it.

Contrary to what you believe is not my behavior.

So if you think I am insulted. No I am not...I am just giggling.:heh::uhoh:
But "Big Bad Moni" ...:D

You misunderstood again... ;):p: That's why I keep telling you to read everything :Deveryone says. People think I don't. LIE! Sometimes I do not...it has to be drivel for me to do so.
Bait means lure.
*Sometimes I provoke them. Sometimes I use humiliating me as trap. Then I tear their asses up. Sometimes I lace posts with things I know user A will comment on, which will piss User C off, User I and F and D (Idiot, fool and Dimwit) will not add anything of value to the conversation.(Idiot I ignore totally I have no tolerance for idiots). However they will be good for laughs. Then I sit back and laugh and watch them fight.*

I don't have to participate. I was a forum stalker. I start paying attention to the way you type, the times you log on. WHAT YOU ACTUALLY SAID!

*That's why I can tell people "Blue is not in either camp she is IshiHime" and not argue with her about things she has never said. *

I also pay attention to user's habits and the subjects they like to discuss...
The threads with the most views. I only do it in Bleach forums. I used to scare people with it. So I tone it down. I know who likes to debate who. Some users are better than others at it with certain users. I know how to get Debbichan to stop lurking.

I start discussions sometimes to get other users posting...It would be boring if it was just me. (I am not that egotistical):uhoh:

I also use them to study the other users. In different ways... (I can't bait them if I do not)

I bait my hubby and few others just because I delight in crushing certain users dreams. :p(The others I just get in the fall-out. I wasn't really aiming for them) :cool:I brag I tease... I make a lot of sense. Majority of everyone here EXCEPT YOU KNOWS THIS. :uhoh:


So instead of jumping to conclusions...read everything first. Then say that to me.

If you do that than you could deal my ego a real blow..:rolleyes:instead of inflating it. :cool:

(Don't take it personally. I am not:p)

:uhoh:

FYI...

Dude we are at episode 19 and everything I said was true. I would have crowed about it but.. now it's no point.:rolleyes: Like Ani-D said the story will crush them for us. :heh:So I don't care anymore. *Not like it's Bleach* The satisfaction of being right is enough for me....:uhoh: I got banned before I could show and prove...so now we will never know. (I do have one thing I am sure as hell gonna say)

How come it's okay to bold my name and say what ever the hell you want. I tease people...and baited a few (INDIRECTLY) who sure as hell deserved it... and I get shit for it?!
:twitch:


Now would you just drop it?!

*Banned again*:uhoh:

[CharlotteSerenity728]

May I add my opinion on this matter?

Ok first of all, I'm neither an Ichihime shipper, nor an IchiRuki shipper. So don't expect any biasness from me. So in all honesty, I believe the normal average bleach fan would think Ichigo and Rukia were the main couple in the very beginning, due to the closeness, the unusual bond, and them being leads, I thought the same too, in fact I thought they were quite the dynamic duo.

But I think these so called "hints" that shippers think Kubo is mysteriously leaving behind are just wishful thinking and crazy speculation by desperate fangirls, (I mean seriously panel size? And the way Ichigo's face change for the girls? Did you guys ever think that maybe he just wanted to emphasize on their deep friendship not their undying love for one another? Or his artsyle changed or maybe he was lazy that day and couldn't draw correctly? XD :eyespin:) this goes for both pairings. But the direction the manga is going, it seems to point toward Ichigo and Orihime. Mostly everyone I know thinks Ichihime is the more likely pairing as of right now, even if they don't really like it.

Why? Because Kubo said he didn't want to make Bleach into a love story, one would assume he would try to keep Rukia from having feelings for Ichigo, If she were, it would deeply sadden Orihime and Renji, further heading into an unwanted love triangle of epic proportions, which Kubo stated he clearly does not want to happen. I mean if Rukia starts to like Ichigo, then Renji's going to be all "on no he didn't" and Orihime will be all "she's all up on my man, that ho better back off".I'm kidding, I'd really be disappointed in Kubo if he decided to make Rukia love Ichigo. But then there's also a possibility of Orihime dieing (I hope not) and leaving Rukia to Ichigo. But then again, there's also Renji's feelings to take into account.

Bleach is about friendship, Ichigo&Rukia hooking up would just break the bond between Renji, and Orihime. The logical way to conclude this, is for Ichigo and Orihime to end up with each other, because no one opposes them ending up together in the Manga (infact most of them bring Ichigo and Orihime together), and because I think they're quite a cute couple (Ok that was a lil bias, but I did think IchiRuki was pretty cute too). Opposites always attract. :heh:

Oh I've also been hearing about how Kubo would disappoint his fans if it ended up with IchiOri. Ok first of all, just because IchiRuki is popular in Japan and Japan only (I think IchiRuki and Ichihime fanbases are about even now in the U.S), doesn't mean that Kubo has to give in to what the majority desires! It's his story not yours, if you don't like who ends up with each other, write a fanfiction.

[CharlotteSerenity728]

Can I kiss you? lol.
Not really. But seriously! <3
Thank you for saying that. >w<

Sure...After I brush my teeth.:heh:

I mean it's absurd. Hating an action shounen anime if they're favorite ship doesn't end up with each other. I assume the fate of the world and Ichigo's friends doesn't really matter now. -_- It's all about who Ichigo gets to jump in bed with in the end! :D

[- HEROiNEx]

D: Sorry for deleting that post. But atleast you caught it! xDDD
I just think that Kubo should write what he really wants to write. uwu;
I mean... Sigh. xD If you write a story, and you're doing it because you love to write. You should write what you want to write. I get that its nice to keep your fans happy, but... relying on your fans too much could cause you to hate your own creation. And thats never a good thing.
Kubo should stick with his own imaginative mind. >w< Or at least so I think.

[HayashiTakara]

Ok, it seems that I should state my reason? Ok, I'll do so.

The main reason was cause the FFFan, wanted to read something to make him/her "feel better", so there was absolutely no reason to get defensive over it.

The pilot is obviously Kubo's original intentions for Bleach, but for whatever reason (most likely due some of the weird inconsistencies), But theres so much that he kept the same, even after the changes.

1. Ichigo still gained his powers from Rukia.
2. Inoue still loves Ichigo
3. The classmates are still the same ( at least the ones we got to see )
4. Rukia lost her powers when she gave Ichigo her powers.
5. Inoue is still attacked by deceased relative.
6. Ichigo was the breaking point for the relative to attack Inoue.
7. Ichigo is still considerate and caring towards Inoue.

Differences;
1. Inoue's relative changed from father to brother, and her background was made "sadder"
2. Rukia didn't become a mini version, instead gained a Gigai while waiting to regain her powers.
3. Ichigo made it obvious that he liked Inoue.
4. Inoue dies, and becomes a spirit that stays in the human world. (where he was going with this, your guess is as good as mine)
5. Ichigo found out about Inoue's feelings from the very beginning.

what I found interesting, is what Inoue sad at the end. "When I'm reborn again as a human... and when we meet again... lets talk a lot about it." It related a lot to the whole "Five lifetimes, One love" speech Inoue gave to Ichigo.

Now feel free to disagree with me or whatever. But, my interpretation is that Kubo originally intended on Ichihime, and has kept to it.

[Scarlett_Rain55]

Yeah, I read that pilot. It really did seem like he intended for Ichihime. I don't know why people brush that off, and say it got rejected cause it was Ichihime...I mean he did have the thought of them getting together, so that means something. XD

[Sinta]

Yeah, I read that pilot. It really did seem like he intended for Ichihime. I don't know why people brush that off, and say it got rejected cause it was Ichihime...I mean he did have the thought of them getting together, so that means something. XD

and what does it mean exactly?

[Scarlett_Rain55]

and what does it mean exactly?

That he might have thoughts or future plans of pairing them up together? I can't believe the huge Damage Control for this pilot chapter. I guess we should just let it slide, cause we've discussed this before. -_-

[Slick_rick]

That he might have thoughts or future plans of pairing them up together? I can't believe the huge Damage Control for this pilot chapter. I guess we should just let it slide, cause we've discussed this before. -_-

Well since the pilot hadn't been picked up I don't think he was thinking out the plans on who would be the final pairing in a 500+ manga. I think the most likely reason for the pairing its easier to provide romance between school friends in a pilot than it would be to show romance between two people just meeting. It would be hard to establish any kind of meaningful romantic feelings in a one-shot pilot unless the characters had a past relationship.

Could it mean "something"? Sure possibly, but what exactly it means is vague at best. Could he have initially wanted an Orihime ending and switch to Rukia? Also possible. Could he have always intended a Rukia but decided on Orihime because in a one-shot it would be easier to write. Again also possible. The possiblities of what this "something" is would be endless unless you're the author. In the end you can't discern what that this "something" is or even if there is a "something". Its possible he hadn't thought past his pilot and or the pilot had no effect on his later ideas for the manga.

[HayashiTakara]

Well since the pilot hadn't been picked up I don't think he was thinking out the plans on who would be the final pairing in a 500+ manga. I think the most likely reason for the pairing its easier to provide romance between school friends in a pilot than it would be to show romance between two people just meeting. It would be hard to establish any kind of meaningful romantic feelings in a one-shot pilot unless the characters had a past relationship.

Could it mean "something"? Sure possibly, but what exactly it means is vague at best. Could he have initially wanted an Orihime ending and switch to Rukia? Also possible. Could he have always intended a Rukia but decided on Orihime because in a one-shot it would be easier to write. Again also possible. The possiblities of what this "something" is would be endless unless you're the author. In the end you can't discern what that this "something" is or even if there is a "something". Its possible he hadn't thought past his pilot and or the pilot had no effect on his later ideas for the manga.

You can't submit something without having the story already planned, Its like you're volunteering to do something, but have no idea what you're doing. Its plain stupid.

The pilot had weird consistency issues, it moved too fast. The way I see it, is he made the story more "deep", and moved the character developments slower.

I've already listed what he kept the same. Certain things are too eerily similar to the original concept to simply ignore. He began bleach with the idea of Inoue being an important character, and he stuck to it.

Its your right to not agree with me, as I'm merely making an observational guess. But, if I'm right, it'll end with Ichihime. Although I still stand with Bleach having an open ending... as much as that doesn't sit well with me.

[Slick_rick]

You can't submit something without having the story already planned, Its like you're volunteering to do something, but have no idea what you're doing. Its plain stupid.

The pilot had weird consistency issues, it moved too fast. The way I see it, is he made the story more "deep", and moved the character developments slower.

I've already listed what he kept the same. Certain things are too eerily similar to the original concept to simply ignore. He began bleach with the idea of Inoue being an important character, and he stuck to it.

Its your right to not agree with me, as I'm merely making an observational guess. But, if I'm right, it'll end with Ichihime. Although I still stand with Bleach having an open ending... as much as that doesn't sit well with me.

He had the basis of the story, certainly. He had the general idea of S.S organization, how hollows worked and main characters and supporting, and he had a general idea of where he wanted the story to go definitely. But I doubt he thought beyond the basic setup. The S.S arc was probably thought up and planned after the pilot got picked up and during the introduction chapters. A lot changes from your initial ideas to when you actually put pen to paper also.

You definitely have a right to your guess. I'm just pointing out that possibilities are so vast that its impossible to know without being the author or getting word from him on what he intended. He could have easily just do coin flips to see who the romantic interest might have been. It landed head for Orihime in the pilot and tails for Rukia in the actual manga. The romance in the pilot could have greatly, slightly or had absolutely no effect on the actual manga's romance. If you've watched pilot for different shows you see that how they effect the actual shows vary greatly. They will often change the romance, relationships, settings, and pretty much everything around during the process or change nothing.

[CharlotteSerenity728]

He had the basis of the story, certainly. He had the general idea of S.S organization, how hollows worked and main characters and supporting, and he had a general idea of where he wanted the story to go definitely. But I doubt he thought beyond the basic setup. The S.S arc was probably thought up and planned after the pilot got picked up and during the introduction chapters. A lot changes from your initial ideas to when you actually put pen to paper also.

You definitely have a right to your guess. I'm just pointing out that possibilities are so vast that its impossible to know without being the author or getting word from him on what he intended. He could have easily just do coin flips to see who the romantic interest might have been. It landed head for Orihime in the pilot and tails for Rukia in the actual manga. The romance in the pilot could have greatly, slightly or had absolutely no effect on the actual manga's romance. If you've watched pilot for different shows you see that how they effect the actual shows vary greatly. They will often change the romance, relationships, settings, and pretty much everything around during the process or change nothing.

Oh? I've never heard of this pilot. Link! :)

[Slick_rick]

Oh? I've never heard of this pilot. Link! :)

Check your messages.;)

[HayashiTakara]

He had the basis of the story, certainly. He had the general idea of S.S organization, how hollows worked and main characters and supporting, and he had a general idea of where he wanted the story to go definitely. But I doubt he thought beyond the basic setup. The S.S arc was probably thought up and planned after the pilot got picked up and during the introduction chapters. A lot changes from your initial ideas to when you actually put pen to paper also.

You definitely have a right to your guess. I'm just pointing out that possibilities are so vast that its impossible to know without being the author or getting word from him on what he intended. He could have easily just do coin flips to see who the romantic interest might have been. It landed head for Orihime in the pilot and tails for Rukia in the actual manga. The romance in the pilot could have greatly, slightly or had absolutely no effect on the actual manga's romance. If you've watched pilot for different shows you see that how they effect the actual shows vary greatly. They will often change the romance, relationships, settings, and pretty much everything around during the process or change nothing.

The way I see it is that its still headed Ichihime, It progressing a heck of a lot slower, but its definately feels like it to me.

Inoue is too strongly focused these past few years to be simply ignored. The people who are hoping she'll fall for someone else is basically spitting Orihime in the face. To drop strong emotions like that and move on to someone else is a sign of a shallow person. How would you feel, if one of your close friends were so deeply and madly in love with a guy, but a few days later is oogling over another guy? She'll be basically considered a, lack of a better word, a whore, right?

Usually in stories where a "secondary" character has a crush on the main, he/she is weakly focused on. There might be a few chapters dedicated to an arc, where he/she comes to terms with his/her feelings and situation. But Inoue's position changed drastically and for intents of the plot, the female lead. This is the reason why so many Rukia fans have such hateful issues towards Inoue. Its a strong detraction to their shipping.

Now, its haughty to say whats definate or not, only Kubo knows. We can make observations and what not. But, we won't know until Inoue confesses to Ichigo, and he gives his response to her.

[Hari Michiru]

The way I see it is that its still headed Ichihime, It progressing a heck of a lot slower, but its definately feels like it to me.

Inoue is too strongly focused these past few years to be simply ignored. The people who are hoping she'll fall for someone else is basically spitting Orihime in the face. To drop strong emotions like that and move on to someone else is a sign of a shallow person. How would you feel, if one of your close friends were so deeply and madly in love with a guy, but a few days later is oogling over another guy? She'll be basically considered a, lack of a better word, a whore, right?

We're not saying that she'll fall in love with a new guy in a matter of days, but that she'll eventually realize that Ichigo wouldn't go into that kind of relationship (hero complex, remember?).


Usually in stories where a "secondary" character has a crush on the main, he/she is weakly focused on. There might be a few chapters dedicated to an arc, where he/she comes to terms with his/her feelings and situation. But Inoue's position changed drastically and for intents of the plot, the female lead. This is the reason why so many Rukia fans have such hateful issues towards Inoue. Its a strong detraction to their shipping.


It's called being different. Who knows, this crush on Ichigo might just be there to show how Inoue went from weak and lovesick (always counting on her 'Kurosaki-kun') to a strong and independent woman (like how she is around Uliqiorra (spelling error).

[HayashiTakara]

We're not saying that she'll fall in love with a new guy in a matter of days, but that she'll eventually realize that Ichigo wouldn't go into that kind of relationship (hero complex, remember?).

It's called being different. Who knows, this crush on Ichigo might just be there to show how Inoue went from weak and lovesick (always counting on her 'Kurosaki-kun') to a strong and independent woman (like how she is around Uliqiorra (spelling error).

I don't get where the whole "Inoue thinks Ichigo is perfect" is coming from. She knows he's not perfect. Her actions proves it. If she believed Ichigo is this god where no one can beat him, then she wouldn't have submitted to emo clown's demands, she wouldn't have gone to soul society with the mind set of "protecting" Ichigo, she wouldn't have cried for him getting his ass kicked by Grimmjow, and etc etc...

She doesn't view him as this super smexy, unbeatable, perfect specimen of a man. She's in love with him for his kindness. If anyone would like to present evidence otherwise, please feel free to do so.

And lastly, she's not some super women around emo-clown, the only stood up to him once for talking shit about her friends saying how they'll all die one by one for their wasteful efforts.

If theres some imaginery things thats going on that I don't know about, I would like to be enlightened.

[Amirali]

I don't get where the whole "Inoue thinks Ichigo is perfect" is coming from. She knows he's not perfect. Her actions proves it. If she believed Ichigo is this god where no one can beat him, then she wouldn't have submitted to emo clown's demands, she wouldn't have gone to soul society with the mind set of "protecting" Ichigo, she wouldn't have cried for him getting his ass kicked by Grimmjow, and etc etc...

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I'd add to that if she thought Ichigo was problem-free, she wouldn't have noticed how depressed he was after the fiasco with Yami/Ulqi, or felt sad that she couldn't cheer him up like Rukia did.

[SUKISUKILOL]

Eh... Orihime and Ichigo dont act like themeselvs when they are alone togheter, wouldnt it be kinda hard for them to have a relationship? :)

[HayashiTakara]

Eh... Orihime and Ichigo dont act like themeselvs when they are around each other wouldnt it be kinda hard for them to have a relationship? :)

What makes you think they're not being themselves? People have different faces depending on who they are around. All of which are "true". People act different around their boyfriend/girlfriends, around their friends, family, etc.

Orihime's "goofy" side, is a facade to hide her loneliness. Everyone knows Ichigo is kind and such, but easily irritated due to his hot head personality. Orihime tends to bring out his gentle side more often than anyone else, presently. I view her as the beauty that tames the beast.

[RingoPango]

Eh... Orihime and Ichigo dont act like themeselvs when they are alone togheter, wouldnt it be kinda hard for them to have a relationship? :)

Yeah thats what I think too. They don't actually talk to each other either. Ichigo's usually expressionless around Orihime.

But with IchiRuki, I've always got this feeling Rukia has some sort of feelings for Ichigo (not sure if romantic) cuz he resembles Kaien.

[Ichigo&Rukia]

Bleach is about friendship, Ichigo&Rukia hooking up would just break the bond between Renji, and Orihime. The logical way to conclude this, is for Ichigo and Orihime to end up with each other, because no one opposes them ending up together in the Manga (infact most of them bring Ichigo and Orihime together), and because I think they're quite a cute couple (Ok that was a lil bias, but I did think IchiRuki was pretty cute too). Opposites always attract.

I love it when IchiOri start "I like both pairings, therefore I'm not biased" and end up saying IchiOri should end up together.
Just because IchiOri balances all characters doesn't mean it will happen. Just because Renji loves Rukia(he has already accepted his love as one-sided...) and because Orihime pines for her Kurosaki-kun that means IchiRuki won't happen xD
To be honest, what balances ALL characters is:
IchiTatsu
RenRuki
IshiOri
But do we see much IchiTatsu hints? We don't. Because Kubo doesn't do things this way(obviously)IchiRuki will not break RenRuki bond in any way. If Ichigo and Rukia eventually get together, Renji will be hurt but he puts Rukia's happiness before his own and as much as she is happy, he is. Also, Rukia will keep her bond with Renji, getting with Ichigo doesn't mean forgetting everyone else.
If she were, it would deeply sadden Orihime and Renji, further heading into an unwanted love triangle of epic proportions, which Kubo stated he clearly does not want to happen. I mean if Rukia starts to like Ichigo, then Renji's going to be all "on no he didn't" and Orihime will be all "she's all up on my man, that ho better back off".
Orihime will get stronger and defeat her love for Ichigo.
Renji has never been jealous or has never showed any indication of hating Ichigo or something.
Rukia already started to like him.. And Renji(nor Orihime) aren't this kind of people. They won't be hurt since they will accept it. And get with someone else. Bleach isn't a fairlytale of shared loves.
Also, if Ichigo and Rukia love each other, will they seperate just because of Renji and Orihime? I may love a guy who loves me back, there may be ten guys pining for me and ten girls pining for him, but we won't stop being together because of them.(not to mention Ichigo and Rukia has no idea of Hime and Renji's feelings) You can't force someone's feelings.
If Kubo wanted RenRuki, we would see much more I'm convinced and same goes for IchiOri. And suddenly, after 300 and more chapters to start developing these two pairings? I don't think so.

[manu+ichigo]

i love ichiruki but i didn't see them talking about it or ever trying to get closer
shit and ichigo is abnormal with the other sex

[BleachOD]

The way I see it is that its still headed Ichihime, It progressing a heck of a lot slower, but its definately feels like it to me.

Inoue is too strongly focused these past few years to be simply ignored. The people who are hoping she'll fall for someone else is basically spitting Orihime in the face. To drop strong emotions like that and move on to someone else is a sign of a shallow person. How would you feel, if one of your close friends were so deeply and madly in love with a guy, but a few days later is oogling over another guy? She'll be basically considered a, lack of a better word, a whore, right?

Usually in stories where a "secondary" character has a crush on the main, he/she is weakly focused on. There might be a few chapters dedicated to an arc, where he/she comes to terms with his/her feelings and situation. But Inoue's position changed drastically and for intents of the plot, the female lead. This is the reason why so many Rukia fans have such hateful issues towards Inoue. Its a strong detraction to their shipping.

Now, its haughty to say whats definate or not, only Kubo knows. We can make observations and what not. But, we won't know until Inoue confesses to Ichigo, and he gives his response to her.

HT... focused? She is a damn plot device! What points to a Demon ending?

Ichigo has not thought about her ass not once! :uhoh::heh:

Something plenty of users have said "It seems like Kubo is emphasizing friendship"

My question...How come it's "Friendship" when it's Orihime's arc? Yet classic tale of "Knight in Shining Armor" ...i.e
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/canonsig.gif
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and chapter titles like that "That who changed the world"when it was Rukia? Taking that into consideration ...what other observation should I make?:uhoh:

When Ichigo does something like say....Give Inoue a thought... I will think she has a chance:heh: Until then I can safely say...not a shot in hell.

Since you see that. Then answer my questions. You have debated me over much less. Saying you are smart enough to realize it and not answer won't work.

My ego is self-inflating so I don't need you to feed it. It can be dealt a blow. Shooting down my arguments works better than just flames. <---I have never seriously flamed anyone...You don't want me too. So do not go there...:uhoh::heh:

Anyway...this is no fun...The IchiUlq reunion effectively killed your camp.

You truly are the "Dream Team" <--NAME CHANGE IS NECESSARY


Keep hope alive...:heh:

[HayashiTakara]

Denial is your best friend isn't it OD?

[Amirali]

You truly are the "Dream Team"

You know, for an IchiRuki supporter you always come up with cooler names for IchiHime shippers. Strange.

[SUKISUKILOL]

What makes you think they're not being themselves? People have different faces depending on who they are around. All of which are "true". People act different around their boyfriend/girlfriends, around their friends, family, etc.

Orihime's "goofy" side, is a facade to hide her loneliness. Everyone knows Ichigo is kind and such, but easily irritated due to his hot head personality. Orihime tends to bring out his gentle side more often than anyone else, presently. I view her as the beauty that tames the beast.


They dont even seem to feel comfortable around each other . Ichigo dont understand Orihime good enough to be abel to have a realtionsip with her. Its kinda hard to be togheter with a person you dont understand :p If they were to end up togheter, i dont think it would last long. I cant even imagine them being alone for one day. It would be a lot of awkward silence.

Ichigo is not mean so he treats Orihime gently so she wont brust out in tears. Thats dosent make her tame him lol. He would treat every girl like that if they all were like Orihime :) Its not a big deal.

[Grey Goshawk]

Ichigo is still alive though so how would he be able to get together with Rukia unless he died at some point and became in a sense a real shinigami?

[HayashiTakara]

They dont even seem to feel comfortable around each other . Ichigo dont understand Orihime good enough to be abel to have a realtionsip with her. Its kinda hard to be togheter with a person you dont understand :p If they were to end up togheter, i dont think it would last long. I cant even imagine them being alone for one day. It would be a lot of awkward silence.

Ichigo is not mean so he treats Orihime gently so she wont brust out in tears. Thats dosent make her tame him lol. He would treat every girl like that if they all were like Orihime :) Its not a big deal.

Wheres your proof that he doesn't understand her?

[Sinta]

That he might have thoughts or future plans of pairing them up together? I can't believe the huge Damage Control for this pilot chapter. I guess we should just let it slide, cause we've discussed this before. -_-


You were doubting that he had thoughts? I don't think, as a writer, you give someone a crush without at least considering the possibility that they could end up together, but as for future plans of putting them together...I think the canon story suggests otherwise but to each his own.


That aside, what are you talking about damage control?

[SUKISUKILOL]

Wheres your proof that he doesn't understand her?

Well when has he ever been fully abel to understand her? He don't really know anyting about what going on inside her head. I dont think he even cares if he understands her or not.

[BleachOD]

Ichigo is still alive though so how would he be able to get together with Rukia unless he died at some point and became in a sense a real shinigami? Come again?

His CHAIN OF FATE has been severed. Once that happens you cannot return to the land of the living. Ichigo is as dead as the rest of em. . He just does not use a Gigai...Kon keeps his body from decaying...*Singsong*

@HT..."Pot...meet Kettle":rolleyes:

Let me get this straight...

You are delusional...yet I am in denial?:uhoh:

HT...Crack is WACK! (Put that shit down):heh:

[Sinta]

Well when has he ever being fully abel to understand her? He don't really know anyting about what going on inside her head. I dont think he even cares if he understands her or not.

Or you could ask where the prove that he does understand her? If you are going to ask or evidence you should provide it.

[HayashiTakara]

Well when has he ever being fully abel to understand her? He don't really know anyting about what going on inside her head. I dont think he even cares if he understands her or not.

Ugh... sorry, gonna be a spelling natzi, but its "able"... You've repeated that mistake too many times, I just had to point it out. Sorry.

Anyway, is that your best rebutal? Ichigo has never been shown to be the brightest tool in the shed. He generally needs people to yell at him to make him understand. "Points at Rukia and Renji lecturing him on being Nakama", Ichigo is very self-centered, and burdens everything on himself.

It is more than obvious that he cares for Inoue, in what way, don't know.

Theres no evidence pointing towards your insinuations, so unless you can back it up, don't carelessly make such statements.

[Grey Goshawk]

Come again?

His CHAIN OF FATE has been severed. Once that happens you cannot return to the land of the living. Ichigo is as dead as the rest of em. . He just does not use a Gigai...Kon keeps his body from decaying...*Singsong*


I forgot about that :heh: That part really hasn't been explained all that well... seeing as Ichigo has a severed chain of fate wouldn't he inherit other shinigami traits such as perpetual youth?
And that would mean that eventually he would have to move to soul society thereby taking Orihime out of the picture? :D

[BleachOD]

@GreyGoose...RIGHT-O!
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Theres no evidence pointing towards your insinuations, so unless you can back it up, don't carelessly make such statements.
There are plenty pointing to mine....Tackle it....

I know; You CAN'T.:heh:

[SUKISUKILOL]

Ugh... sorry, gonna be a spelling natzi, but its "able"... You've repeated that mistake too many times, I just had to point it out. Sorry.

Anyway, is that your best rebutal? Ichigo has never been shown to be the brightest tool in the shed. He generally needs people to yell at him to make him understand. "Points at Rukia and Renji lecturing him on being Nakama", Ichigo is very self-centered, and burdens everything on himself.

It is more than obvious that he cares for Inoue, in what way, don't know.

Theres no evidence pointing towards your insinuations, so unless you can back it up, don't carelessly make such statements.

I haven't said that he dont care for her. I said that he didn't care if he understands her or not. He got bigger things then Orihimes toughts to solve at the moment.

[AceD]

Ichigo and adult nel

rather those two

[CharlotteSerenity728]

I love it when IchiOri start "I like both pairings, therefore I'm not biased" and end up saying IchiOri should end up together.
Just because IchiOri balances all characters doesn't mean it will happen. Just because Renji loves Rukia(he has already accepted his love as one-sided...) and because Orihime pines for her Kurosaki-kun that means IchiRuki won't happen xD
To be honest, what balances ALL characters is:
IchiTatsu
RenRuki
IshiOri


Renji accepted his love as one sided? When was that? I don't remember that. And you are right just because it's one sided doesn't mean it should happen, but I believe it's the easiest thing to do right now to get rid of the love story and drama and focus on the action and story.

But do we see much IchiTatsu hints? We don't. Because Kubo doesn't do things this way(obviously)IchiRuki will not break RenRuki bond in any way. If Ichigo and Rukia eventually get together, Renji will be hurt but he puts Rukia's happiness before his own and as much as she is happy, he is. Also, Rukia will keep her bond with Renji, getting with Ichigo doesn't mean forgetting everyone else.

Um wouldn't getting hurt by them getting together equal more angst and drama? Kubo would have to waste panel time for Renji being all forgiving, and jealous for a while. You can't be sure Renji would just give up like that. I mean he did take a 360 degree turn to save Rukia in S.S, who knows?

Orihime will get stronger and defeat her love for Ichigo.

Are you sure? Her 5 lifetimes speech was pretty deep to me. Also, the girl has been hurt all her life, wouldn't it be fair to give her the man of her dreams, so she could at least be happy for once? And don't give me that her love is just infatuation, if Rukia ever decides to love Ichigo, then whoever would've thought she could love him for his Kaien traits? Aerith and Cloud much? (If you haven't played FFVII, Aerith starts to like cloud because he has similar traits to her dead boyfriend.) It'd be pretty shallow if you ask me.

Renji has never been jealous or has never showed any indication of hating Ichigo or something.

That's cause he never thought of them that way. Because there's nothing to get jealous of. Yeah I went there! Or maybe he thinks Ichigo's gay, so he doesn't really see him as competition.

Rukia already started to like him.. And Renji(nor Orihime) aren't this kind of people. They won't be hurt since they will accept it. And get with someone else. Bleach isn't a fairlytale of shared loves.

So Renji's going to alone for the rest of his life, I mean he's been so lonely all these 100 years without a soul mate, and now Orihime is just going to be like "oh ok whatever lol Ishida will just be rebound guy lols lols lols And then Ishida im just rebound and then Orihime will be like no i still love you i think..kind of not really idk stop it! and ishida be like i may be the love of your life but i was never the man of your dreams *cries a river*"...Don't see that happening, it'd be bad writing if it does. Not saying my silly exaggerated imagination would happen, but it'd lead to more romance drama.

Also, if Ichigo and Rukia love each other, will they seperate just because of Renji and Orihime? I may love a guy who loves me back, there may be ten guys pining for me and ten girls pining for him, but we won't stop being together because of them.(not to mention Ichigo and Rukia has no idea of Hime and Renji's feelings) You can't force someone's feelings.

No, but do you think Kubo would like that in his story? Hurting two beloved characters? And Ishida won't be hurt, because he is already aware of her feelings and doesn't care.

If Kubo wanted RenRuki, we would see much more I'm convinced and same goes for IchiOri. And suddenly, after 300 and more chapters to start developing these two pairings? I don't think so.

Im not going to answer this because I'm not really a diehard shipper, but, I do believe Orihime and Ichigo have been slowly developing throughout the whole manga. Go ahead and shoot me down, because I honestly don't fish for subtle evidence that rabid shippers do.

[- HEROiNEx]

I think that Ichigo does understand Orihime, more than people give him credit for. They both lost someone extremely special to them. They both don't like to talk about their feelings. And they both try their hardest not to make others worry about them. .__.; I think that Ichigo can understand her maybe almost 80%, but the thing is... if he's considering her to be like himself, then he probably thinks he shouldn't say anything. The only reason why I say that is because back in school when things were bothering Ichigo he didn't want to talk about it. Its not like Orihimes falling all over the place sobbing, so he probably thinks its not his place to say anything and ruin her facade. Its the same way he thinks its no one else's place to say anything to him when he's down.

Though, thats just how I see it. -shrugs- I just don't think its fair to say he doesn't understand her, when they've had the same experience.

[HayashiTakara]

I haven't said that he dont care for her. I said that he didn't care if he understands her or not. He got bigger things then Orihimes toughts to solve at the moment.

Your insinuation was, "He doesn't understand her, and never will, so it'll never work." You don't have anything that back that statement up.

He's close enough to her where a relationship is possible.

Also, one last thing. How much do you know about a person before you date them? More times than not, next to nothing. Typically just their name, if that.

Ichigo knows Inoue has been alone since her brother died, he was there when it happened. Only two people knows about her hairpins, and thats Tatsuki and Ichigo. Ichigo in which she some time ago confided to him about.

They know enough about each other.

[SUKISUKILOL]

Just cause two people have had the same experience they are able to understand each other lol? I dont think so.

[BleachOD]

I think that Ichigo does understand Orihime, more than people give him credit for. They both lost someone extremely special to them. They both don't like to talk about their feelings. And they both try their hardest not to make others worry about them. .__.; I think that Ichigo can understand her maybe almost 80%, but the thing is... if he's considering her to be like himself, then he probably thinks he shouldn't say anything. The only reason why I say that is because back in school when things were bothering Ichigo he didn't want to talk about it. Its not like Orihimes falling all over the place sobbing, so he probably thinks its not his place to say anything and ruin her facade. Its the same way he thinks its no one else's place to say anything to him when he's down.

Though, thats just how I see it. -shrugs- I just don't think its fair to say he doesn't understand her, when they've had the same experience.

They have similarities....but so does Orihime and Rukia. We have been given no indication that Ichigo ever thought about her enough to ascertain this. We can say Rukia understands her better than anyone. We have seen proof of this....

It is fair...since thats all conjecture. KT has shown otherwise....

HT...That relationship is imaginary. It only exists in your mind!!!

[HayashiTakara]

Just cause two people have had the same experience they are able to understand each other lol? I dont think so.

.................................................. .... :dots:

Did you even coherently read my post?

[SUKISUKILOL]

Your insinuation was, "He doesn't understand her, and never will, so it'll never work." You don't have anything that back that statement up.

He's close enough to her where a relationship is possible.

Also, one last thing. How much do you know about a person before you date them? More times than not, next to nothing. Typically just their name, if that.

Ichigo knows Inoue has been alone since her brother died, he was there when it happened. Only two people knows about her hairpins, and thats Tatsuki and Ichigo. Ichigo in which she some time ago confided to him about.

They know enough about each other.

If they do understand each other, why arent they closer friends then?

[SUKISUKILOL]

.................................................. .... :dots:

Did you even coherently read my post?

That wasnt a reply to your post.

[HayashiTakara]

If they do understand each other, why arent they closer friends then?

Beats me, your guess is as good as mine. Inoue is too shy to take it any further, even Tatsuki lectures her about it. And Ichigo is simply anti-social for the most part. You do the math.

[- HEROiNEx]

Actually, because two people have had the same experience they can understand each other. Naturally, you feel more comfortable with people who know what you've been through and understand the natural pain of it. If you lost your parents in a car crash and you were dating someone who was selfish, ungrateful and totally rude toward their parents would you understand why they're giving up such a good thing that you might die to have? I doubt you would.

And I never said that Rukia didn't understand either, I just think that Ichigo understands as well. Every character in bleach has something that they can relate to another character in my eyes. Clearly Ichigo does understand Orihime, because he knows that Orihime wouldn't betray them. He's not in denial, he's not being stupid, he knows her traits and personality and THAT comes with understanding. If Ichigo didn't try to understand Orihime or care, then I'm sure he wouldn't have gotten so riled up. Someone I don't care to understand leaves and goes to the "bad guys" sure I'm a little appalled but I wouldn't be pissed off, screaming and calling the speculation an out right lie.

[BleachOD]

I just think that Ichigo understands as well. Every character in bleach has something that they can relate to another character in my eyes.How? Why?

Clearly Ichigo does understand Orihime, because he knows that Orihime wouldn't betray them. He's not in denial, he's not being stupid, he knows her traits and personality and THAT comes with understanding. If Ichigo didn't try to understand Orihime or care, then I'm sure he wouldn't have gotten so riled up. Someone I don't care to understand leaves and goes to the "bad guys" sure I'm a little appalled but I wouldn't be pissed off, screaming and calling the speculation an out right lie.

Ichigo displayed a lack of doubt not understanding. It was not born of "understanding"

He knew she didn't come by herself...but did he truly understand her reasons for doing so?

[HayashiTakara]

How? Why?



Ichigo displayed a lack of doubt not understanding. It was not born of "understanding"

He knew she didn't come by herself...but did he truly understand her reasons for doing so?

Nope, he doesn't know the circumstances, nobody does.

Wouldn't it be cool though, if our loveable emo clown decides to show Inoue's midnight confession to Ichigo? I'm pretty sure he was monitoring her the whole time. :cool:

[BleachOD]

Nope, he doesn't know the circumstances, nobody does.

Wouldn't it be cool though, if our loveable emo clown decides to show Inoue's midnight confession to Ichigo? I'm pretty sure he was monitoring her the whole time. :cool:That's right. So just like it hasn't been shown...there is nothing NOWHERE...In Bleach. That depicts any relationship between the two. He barely knows her...He barely talks to her. Where did all this understanding come from?:rolleyes:

She's his "prey" Emo clown won't go there...:heh:

[SUKISUKILOL]

Actually, because two people have had the same experience they can understand each other. Naturally, you feel more comfortable with people who know what you've been through and understand the natural pain of it. If you lost your parents in a car crash and you were dating someone who was selfish, ungrateful and totally rude toward their parents would you understand why they're giving up such a good thing that you might die to have? I doubt you would.

And I never said that Rukia didn't understand either, I just think that Ichigo understands as well. Every character in bleach has something that they can relate to another character in my eyes. Clearly Ichigo does understand Orihime, because he knows that Orihime wouldn't betray them. He's not in denial, he's not being stupid, he knows her traits and personality and THAT comes with understanding. If Ichigo didn't try to understand Orihime or care, then I'm sure he wouldn't have gotten so riled up. Someone I don't care to understand leaves and goes to the "bad guys" sure I'm a little appalled but I wouldn't be pissed off, screaming and calling the speculation an out right lie.

Well Renji didnt belive that Orihime was a traitor ethier and they havent spoken much, have they? The most people wouldnt think a person like Orihime was a traitor.

I have never seen any signs of Ichigo trying to understand Orihime... She is never in his toughts. She is not that important to him.

[HayashiTakara]

That's right. So just like it hasn't been shown...there is nothing NOWHERE...In Bleach. That depicts any relationship between the two. He barely knows her...He barely talks to her. Where did all this understanding come from?:rolleyes:

She's his "prey" Emo clown won't go there...:heh:

He understands her well enough, the reverse can be said. Where does it show that he's incapable of understanding her?

Barely knows her? He's everything there is to know about her. With the exception of her feelings, although I think he's starting to catch on to it from the Grimmjow fight. Ichigo has been too passionate about Inoue to simply be called "Barely Knows", don't kid yourself.

Emo Clown, likes to taunt and play mind games, its what makes him wet. If by showing Ichigo the confession would cause some kind of advantage. He'll probably do it. OD, just "pray" that emo clown doesn't do it. lol XD

[- HEROiNEx]

How and Why? xD What do you mean?
Every single person in this world has SOMETHING in common, whether its obviously out there, or whether its not. You and HayashiTakara have something in common, it may not be that you both ship IchiRuki or IchiHime, but its that you both stick up for your beliefs. Every character in Bleach has SOMETHING that relates to another character. Why? Because they're people in a fictional world, and writers almost always have a character that relates to another. If they didn't, everything would get boring, really fast and nothing would really connect.

And...

Trying to understand why she did it, would include him trying to figure out what Aizen's plans are, what he wants with Orihime, what Orihime can DO for Aizen and a million other things. Ichigo doesn't have the time to analyze, knowing what her personality is already like, he was scared something might happen to her and thats why he wasted no time in going to rescue her. He didn't tell Rukia, he didn't tell anyone, he just went to Kisuke and left.

Ichigo knows most of his friends personality traits, and he knows what they would do, and what they wouldn't. He knows what they deserve and what they don't deserve. That's all apart of understanding. Ichigo can put Orihime in the situation where she is branded as a traitor and realize that she would never do that. Thats why I say that Ichigo understand Orihime way more than people give him credit for.

Sure, his relationship isn't as tight as it is with Rukia, and his understanding of Orihime may not be as deep as it is with Rukia's, but he does understand her in SOME way. Doubting something someone would do, you can't really doubt and be right if you don't understand. He was confident in his doubting of her being a traitor and he was correct wasn't he? He wasn't just saying, "I'm going to jump in and think that Orihime would never do that... but I'm not sure." THAT would be more-so doubt than anything else. He knew she wouldn't and he stuck with that 'til the end. Rukia knew also, but she knew how to handle the situation a lot better than Ichigo.

Ichigo doesn't understand Orihime? Not true, in my opinion. -shrugs- Everyone else can think what they want. xDDD Just because many aren't fond of IchiHime doesn't mean that Ichigo can't understand a friend. Thats just plain ridiculous, even if they aren't as close as they could be.

[CharlotteSerenity728]

I don't even know how not understanding means they can't fall in love or become good friends. I mean I don't understand some of friends at all. And IIRC Ichigo&Rukia didn't really understand each other at first, always questioning their actions, and yet they developed a deep friendship.

What others moves are IchiRuki's gonna pull? Ichigo hates Orihime now?

[SUKISUKILOL]

Some people just cant understand each other. And my opinion is Ichigo and Orihime cant and never will.

[HayashiTakara]

Some people just cant understand each other. And my opinion is Ichigo and Orihime cant and never will.

Why do you feel this way? Is it cause Ichigo doesn't drop kick her and yells at her?

[SUKISUKILOL]

I don't even know how not understanding means they can't fall in love or become good friends. I mean I don't understand some of friends at all. And IIRC Ichigo&Rukia didn't really understand each other at first, always questioning their actions, and yet they developed a deep friendship.

What others moves are IchiRuki's are gonna pull? Ichigo hates Orihime now?

Yeah good luck with being good friend with someone you cant understand :D

[- HEROiNEx]

There's different types of understanding in my opinion.
There's understanding someone where... you might not get all their actions or why they'd do it, but you understand thats how they ARE and thats how you want them to stay.
There's understanding someone where.. you might understand all their actions or why'd they do it.
There's understanding someone where you've had the same experience and you just GET that person, even if some of their actions are a little weird to you, you just find it in you to understand.

Understanding someone isn't just a ONE-way street. Its not, "I understand you and I get EVERYTHING you do." there's different types of understanding, and there's different types of learning.

[CharlotteSerenity728]

Yeah good luck with being good friend with someone you cant understand :D

As if you've never had a friend you never really understood. I don't understand my boyfriend sometimes, and most of the times I don't get his line of reasoning. But that doesn't stop us from getting to know each other better! And Heroinex took the words right out of my mouth.

[HayashiTakara]

Suki, you're extremely vague, I hope you realize that. You make statement and opinions, without explanation. If you want people to take you seriously, you need to be more thorough.

[SUKISUKILOL]

Why do you feel this way? Is it cause Ichigo doesn't drop kick her and yells at her?

I feel this way because they dont understand each other :rolleyes: I have never seen any proof of Ichigo and Orihime understanding each other, thats it :D

[SUKISUKILOL]

Suki, you're extremely vague, I hope you realize that. You make statement and opinions, without explanation. If you want people to take you seriously, you need to be more thorough.

lol i just dont get what i need to explain? Ichigo and Orihime dont have any understanding for each other. So there is nothing to explain.

[- HEROiNEx]

...Orihime definitely understands Ichigo.
She understands that Rukia is the person that changed his entire world
She understands that he wants to save her in the SS arc. because he owes her that much
When Ishida, Chad and Orihime are asked why they want to save Rukia
Chad and Ishida reply, "Because she's Ichigo's friend." <-- they dont understand it in as much depth as Orhime does.
Orihime says, "Because she's MORE than Ichigo's friend. She's the person who changed his world."

That is understanding RIGHT there. I've already said my piece on how I think Ichigo understands Orihime and there's my piece on how I think Orihime understands Ichigo.

EDIT; and if anyone didn't understand why Ichigo came to SS to save Rukia, it was RUKIA herself! D: Geezus. Rukia doesn't understand a lot of the stuff Ichigo does and she considers him a fool, but she knows he's ambitious. Thats another kind of understanding. Not understanding ones actions, but understanding thats who they are and accepting it with true grace.

[BleachOD]

He understands her well enough, the reverse can be said. Where does it show that he's incapable of understanding her? They have no relationship...He can't understand that which he does not know...


Barely knows her?That's what I said...

I think he's starting to catch on to it from the Grimmjow fight. Ichigo has been too passionate about Inoue to simply be called "Barely Knows", don't kid yourself.

Catch feelings...from that fight. :uhoh:The one where it was made clear all the stark contrasts between HM and SS? The one where Grimmy points out Ichigo's behavior was nothing like SS? That Ichigo didn't even show concern...that he showed in SS?

That fight? How could you think he caught feelings over that...but dismiss OVER 200 chapters of IchiRuki?:rolleyes:


@Hero...We do have a lot in common. Only one of is delusional ...it's not me.:heh:

[Amirali]

I don't think even IchiRuki fans would dispute Orihime's understanding of Ichigo too much. I mean, after all, many of them quote her for insight into his psyche. So it would be rather a turn-about for them to claim she doesn't know him. I'm just unsure whether Ichigo understands her or not(*waiting to be swayed).

On the one hand, he certainly understands her enough to know she couldn't be a traitor. But then again I think even Urahara knows that. Ichigo also understands that she's a healer not a fighter. But does he understand her insecurities? Or the worries she's having? I don't know, because Ichigo's not the type to give long speeches about how he understands people. I don't even recall where it was clarified that he understands Rukia's guilt complex over Kaien's death, for all the talk of how he understands her deeply. The fact that he pissed her off in HM by being over-protective also shows he doesn't understand her perfectly.

This "understanding" bit seems over-rated to me. Sometimes all that's needed is trust and care. Ichigo may not have understood the root of Rukia's guilt-complex, but he showed her she was worthy of being saved and was there for her. Full understanding usually comes after you trust and love someone enough to share all your secrets, not before.

[BleachAddict]

Butting in again...

I feel this way because they dont understand each other :rolleyes: I have never seen any proof of Ichigo and Orihime understanding each other, thats it :D

I disagree. Hime is very perceptive of Ichigo as can be seen in chapters --- can't remember --- anyway, when these happened:
- when they were pwned by Yammi, she understood that Ichigo was blaming himself and was depressed because of it;
- when Rukia was taken back to SS, she understood that she needed to assure Ichigo that Rukia does have a place in the Human World;
- when Ichigo was fighting Byakuya, she understood why Ichigo was willing to risk his life;
- when Kon in Ichigo's body kissed her hand, she understood that it wasn't Ichigo;
- when Ichigo went to the DonKanoji thingy even if he hated the show, she understood that he is kind and did it for his family (although i kinda think that he was there because Rukia was there)

and a number of other events especially in HM and Arrancar arcs. However - i haven't seen Ichigo "understand" Hime at the same level. Which is understandable since Hime has been in crush-mode since Chap00 while Ichigo is not. so its a one-way understanding. :heh:

Understanding, like love is too big of a word...each person as a different interpretation of the word.

and if anyone didn't understand why Ichigo came to SS to save Rukia, it was RUKIA herself! D: Geezus. Rukia doesn't understand a lot of the stuff Ichigo does and she considers him a fool, but she knows he's ambitious. Thats another kind of understanding. Not understanding ones actions, but understanding thats who they are and accepting it with true grace.

Rukia understands Ichigo way better than anyone else. Too many panels in the mnga to enumerate here - i suggest read it (again). And don't miss the chapter bit (hint: in SS before her execution) when she thought that she was underserving to be saved - coz that's the explanation why she didn't understand why Ichigo and the gang tried to stop her.

[SUKISUKILOL]

...Orihime definitely understands Ichigo.
She understands that Rukia is the person that changed his entire world
She understands that he wants to save her in the SS arc. because he owes her that much
When Ishida, Chad and Orihime are asked why they want to save Rukia
Chad and Ishida reply, "Because she's Ichigo's friend." <-- they dont understand it in as much depth as Orhime does.
Orihime says, "Because she's MORE than Ichigo's friend. She's the person who changed his world."

That is understanding RIGHT there. I've already said my piece on how I think Ichigo understands Orihime and there's my piece on how I think Orihime understands Ichigo.

I think we see understanding in a diffrent way. What did Orihime relly meant with that anyway? That thanks to Rukia Ichigo became a shingami and that changed his whole life? Or thanks to Rukia he found someone that he could share a deep bond with? Because Orihime couldnt really have known how close friends Ichigo and Rukia really were back then. But well the most people can understand each other a littel bite . I just think understanding is when you are able to understand why a person acts and feels the way he/she does.

[- HEROiNEx]

Exactly. D: I wasn't saying Ichigo knows Orihime like 111111000000 % as much as he "understands" Rukia (which I dont even think he does). But he does understand her in SOME way. Its not fair to say he doesn't, because everyone has shown understanding toward Orihime and other characters. So why is it all of a sudden Ichigo doesn't understand even a little? D: I think everyone can relate to everyone and find a common understanding even if they're not trying.

@ Suki ;;; I don't think it matters what she meant. Rukia came into Ichigo's life and completely changed it, in either which way anyone wants to think. Orihime clearly just stated that she was the person who changed his life, and she was right. And as for the understanding part, I think there's different types of understanding, as I've said before.

[BleachOD]

I don't even recall where it was clarified that he understands Rukia's guilt complex over Kaien's death, for all the talk of how he understands her deeply. The fact that he pissed her off in HM by being over-protective also shows he doesn't understand her perfectly.

. The only person OD ever said understands Ichigo is Rukia. Orihime is great at empathizing but she does not understand him

i.e "Man in my HEART" chapter

Never have I said it's the reverse. No I said Rukia is Ichigo's rock...

[Amirali]

I'm pretty sure Rukia is Renji's best friend. She's also grown pretty close to Orihime



Maybe not. I think Isshin and Urahara may possibly understand Ichigo better but Orihime has probably demonstrated the most understanding.

- She basically recited almost word-for-word of Ichigo's thoughts and doubts about going to Soul Society, without Ichigo speaking a word to her about it

- picked up that Kon was an impersonator when he was in Ichigo's body.

- knows when something is bothering Ichigo even when he tries to cover it (she knew, for example that Ichigo was upset by the fact that he was being pleasant at school).

-Another good example would be when she visits Ichigo during the vizard training and analyzes his reaction to her words.


- seemed to be the only one in SS who really understood how important Rukia was to Ichigo (ironic, yes because this is one of the favorite references of IchigoXRukia fans)

There's probably other examples too. She's often used to narrate Ichigo's feelings.


.

One of my favorite posts of the past on Orihime understanding Ichigo. (*Waits for OD to present the Grimmjow hollow-mask thing to disregard the above completely*)

And the guy below I quote for credibility. (Although for full disclosure, let me clarify again he thinks Rukia understands Ichigo best).
I do think that Inoue understands Ichigo pretty well. But saying she understands him better then anyone in the series. That is pushing it...

Apologies to Sabaku Kyu and Sinta for dredging up months old posts. OD, do me a favour.........I'm more interested in hearing why Ichigo's understanding of Rukia and her problems is so profound. These debates always seem to revolve around which of the girls is better able to understand and support Ichigo, rather than how he understands them. Especially, I haven't seen many discussions of how Ichigo understands Rukia. It gets annoying sometimes....

[SUKISUKILOL]

But saying that Ichigo and Orihime understands each other sounds to... i dont know. Humans arent really that complicated, i understand the most people i known a little. So when i say understanding i mean a deep understanding, wich Ichigo and Orihime dont have. They dont even understand each other good enough to be in a relationship :) But well thats just my opinion...

[Amirali]

SUKI, what do you think is understanding deep enough to be in a relationship (*confused*) ? Just lay it out.

[- HEROiNEx]

Yes!
Please, just lay it out. Because, I honestly have no idea.
And isn't being a relationship getting to know that person, and creating an understanding you both can share? D:
What do you think someone really needs prior a relationship. >w< As Amirie-kun said, just lay it out. -nodnod-

[BleachOD]

One of my favorite posts of the past on Orihime understanding Ichigo. (*Waits for OD to present the Grimmjow hollow-mask thing to disregard the above completely*)

That won't do here...


Thats called "EMPATHY". If she understood him...she would not have done this...http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/M7Bleach-ch199-09.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/M7Bleach-ch199-10.jpg

True understanding...

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/13.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/14.jpg
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/15.jpg

EMPATHY...
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g264/ichigowife/Bleach%20Photos/debate/Bleachv07ch058pg118.jpg

Empathy and Understanding...is a two different things. Rukia does the latter while Orihime does the former..

Good enough?:uhoh:

[xRyn Regalia]

i don't really understand why i'm posting, but i suppose i'll voice my opinion.

honestly, i find that ichigo could be well suited for orihime or rukia to be perfectly honest. it's really just a matter of understanding (knows that's been said a lot but still) how both relationships work and it sounds a lot like there is controversy on Ichigo and Orihime. I'm not sure why, but really Ichigo and Orihime, though it may not be the most profound and tight of relationships, there certainly is a certain...something you could say between them. They do share something of a similar sort of history having lost someone very close to them and i think that gives Ichigo a sort of closer bondage to Orihime in some aspects. It doesn't necessarily mean that they're the tightest bunch in the whole Bleach universe cause we all know that's not true, but really to say they Ichigo doesn't understand and such with Orihime seems a tad bit overboard and biased in my opinion.

Same with Rukia, I suppose. She understands Ichigo quite a bit and they have a more steady (i suppose you could say) friendship than Ichigo does with Orihime. You see them together pretty much all the time though this usually is on Soul Society business before Rukia is taken for execution. Nevertheless, though it's not clear to the fullest point, Ichigo and Rukia bear a relationship that only they can bear because Rukia gave Ichigo the chance to save his family...with a minor drawback on Rukia's befalf xD, but still it's basically a half and half situation in my opinion and i'm really not biased about the situation. Just to get all this crap out of the way, i would push Ichigo on Tatsuki, though it'll never happen and such but whatever.

It's pretty much an equal sort of playing field, Orihime has her strong qualities and bonds though they may not be seen the way Ichigo naturally is; he is just the person that doesn't show that type of stuff very often.

Rukia is a bit the same way, she doesn't show herself much like Ichigo and that provides a bit of her own bond and strong qualities. It also lets her have a possible better understanding in some aspects because she has a better understanding of ichigo's life since she's contributed...a very great deal to it.

Perhaps im throwing out nonsense, but i honestly just think that people are being a bit too harsh on Ichigo and Orihime's status. There is something there and that cannot be denied no matter how faint it may see at the moment. I suppose that's all I'm saying and maybe that's already known so...now im tired. ^^;

[Amirali]

OD, you do realize in some dictionaries, one definition of empathy would be :

American Heritage dictionary:
# Identification with and understanding of another's situation, feelings, and motives.

Webster-Mirriam:
the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also : the capacity for this


*Feels more confused*. I don't get the distinction you're trying to make. If anything, my knowledge of English is that "empathy" indicates a greater degree of closeness and emotional bonding than "understanding". (Hopes for Venus to chime in). I doubt that was your intended statement.

[SUKISUKILOL]

SUKI, what do you think is understanding deep enough to be in a relationship (*confused*) ? Just lay it out.

Since you probably have to spend a lot of time with that person lol :D You got to know each other pretty good. You need to know why he act the way he does cause It would be kinda frustrating to not know and the relationship would probably end soon :( Okay i dont really think there is any rules how it should be in a relationship. Im just telling you my opinion.
Ichigo and Orihime have known each other for a long time and they are still not close. They need to be closer friends if they are gonna have a relationship. Cause comeon wouldnt it be kinda weird if Ichigo all of sudden just kissed Orihime? :D

[BleachOD]

OD, you do realize in some dictionaries, one definition of empathy would be :

American Heritage dictionary:
# Identification with and understanding of another's situation, feelings, and motives.

Webster-Mirriam:
the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also : the capacity for this


*Feels more confused*. I don't get the distinction you're trying to make. If anything, my knowledge of English is that "empathy" indicates a greater degree of closeness and emotional bonding than "understanding". (Hopes for Venus to chime in). I doubt that was your intended statement.

That was a good...:heh:one unfortunately ...I can't elaborate more than this.

You can empathize with a TV star. Does that mean you know or understand them?

[Nervous Venus]

Ugh... sorry, gonna be a spelling natzi, but its "able"... You've repeated that mistake too many times, I just had to point it out. Sorry.

Anyway, is that your best rebutal?

It's rebuttal, dear.

Anyway, bleachaddict and amir says it best:

Understanding, like love is too big of a word...each person as a different interpretation of the word.

Which is why there will ALWAYS be circular arguments.

I'm sure if Orihime gets with Ichigo, people will say, well, Ichigo and Rukia will always have a stronger bond.

I'm sure if Rukia gets with Ichigo, people will say, well, she looks like a boy. ( I'm sure Orihime fans will have much more to say, but as I've quit being an Ichihime fan so long ago, I can't seem to recall any other reason.)

On the one hand, he certainly understands her enough to know she couldn't be a traitor. But then again I think even Urahara knows that. Ichigo also understands that she's a healer not a fighter. But does he understand her insecurities?

He doesn't yet, and he proves that over and over again. He doesn't even know that he embarasses her, or that she even likes him, the booby! But he doesn't have to. Like you said, all they need is to trust and care for each other. Which are qualities that ALL of these characters share with one another.

However, so far in the Bleachverse Ichigo and Rukia comes the closet to the definition of a "full understanding" of each other, though not without its flaws. While that doesn't help their chances of becoming lovers, I think that their bond is closer than Ichigo and Orihime as of right now. I'm not sure if I'm interested enough in BLEACH right now to wait for any romantic developments between Ichigo and Orihime to close the gap, but after 300 + chapters of looking, I suppose I can hold out for 100 + more.

I still think everyone will just end up as great pals at the end. Just my personal opinions. No need to dispute it.

While I'm waiting for new chapters, I feel I no longer have a need to debate about the romance, but as I'm constantly amused by some of the posters here, I enjoy the circular arguments. Carry on, OTP crusaders. ;)

[xRyn Regalia]

You can empathize with a TV star. Does that mean you know or understand them?

That one completely flew over my head.
:D

[BleachOD]

That one completely flew over my head.
:D

Quickly...my family is yelling at me to get of the pc:uhoh:

Just because you can empathize with a person doesn't mean you truly understand them. If Orihime did...then she would have known what Ichigo needed. She did not...

So she may be perceptive when it comes to his feelings. However since she doesn't understand him. She can not do anything to change em...

[Sabaku Kyu]

Apologies to Sabaku Kyu and Sinta for dredging up months old posts. OD, do me a favour.........I'm more interested in hearing why Ichigo's understanding of Rukia and her problems is so profound (instead of the converse). These debates always seem to revolve around which of the girls is better able to understand and support Ichigo, rather than the other way around. It gets annoying sometimes....

Not a problem. I'm glad to be used as a reference, though that post did a contain a mistake that was pointed out later: Tatsuki was actually the one who explained to Ori that Ichigo disliked the Don's catchphrase :D

But another good example to add to the list would be when she visits Ichigo during the vizard training and analyzes his reaction to her words.

Orihime definitely has great understanding (or empathy as OD calls it) of Ichigo. It goes beyond just being to just vaguely feel when Ichigo is happy or sad, but usually knowing his motives and thoughts in detail.

That being said, she isn't a mind reader and there are some things about Ichigo she can't fully understand, such as his hollow, who is actually a separate being from Ichigo himself.

OD, you do realize in some dictionaries, one definition of empathy would be :

American Heritage dictionary:
# Identification with and understanding of another's situation, feelings, and motives.


Webster-Mirriam:
the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also : the capacity for this



*Feels more confused*. I don't get the distinction you're trying to make.

She's just digging herself into a deeper hole, I think she's confused the actual term of empathy with animal empathy, which is just a vague, instinctual understanding of basic emotions, which is not what Orihime has demonstrated. Actual empathy is a much deeper connection than just surface-level understanding. For the record though, Rukia has also shown empathy for Ichigo.

[xRyn Regalia]

Quickly...my family is yelling at me to get of the pc:uhoh:

Just because you can empathize with a person doesn't mean you truly understand them. If Orihime did...then she would have known what Ichigo needed. She did not...

So she may be perceptive when it comes to his feelings. However since she doesn't understand him. She can not do anything to change em...

Ah, I getcha real good nows.

I thinks I have to disagree though since like Heroine said, there are various types of understanding and I for one think little miss Orihime has this towards Ichigo. Like I said, it may not be so strong like it seems with Ichigo and Rukia but it's there and to just shut Orihime off like she doesn't exist in Ichigo's life is a bit of an overkill for the poor girl.

Buh bye BleachOD? o:

[BleachOD]

Ah, I getcha real good nows.


just shut Orihime off like she doesn't exist in Ichigo's life is a bit of an overkill for the poor girl.

Buh bye BleachOD? o:She doesn't ...:uhoh:

Bye:heh:

[xRyn Regalia]

She doesn't ...:uhoh:

Bye:heh:

You ish hatin that poor big breasted girl, huh?
:D
she has something...no matter how itty bitty it may be.
lol.

:)

[SUKISUKILOL]

I just dont get why people think Ichigo care so much about Orihime when he dont even think about her.

[Kakosan]

Sorry about this guys, but I just read these opinions about "empathy" and "understanding". I do not care about the context of the discussion, but empathy definitely implies understanding. In fact, it is IMPOSSIBLE to empathize with someone if you do not deeply understand him/her.