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sarrah

2005-12-18, 17:04

a common topic but very very important to bleach! lol...yeah sure :rolleyes:
anywhooooo
i think rukia and ichigo are gona end up together!
just cus of how they were the first main female and male charcters introdueced, therefore ive gronw a fonder attatchment to them, though theyr both as dim as each other to boot so they suit each other! lol!

what do u think/>

Knox

2005-12-18, 18:19

I think Rukia has a thing for Renji myself and that maybe Ichigo will wake up and realise that Orihime is rather fond of him and they'll end up together. In short;

Renji and Rukia
Ichigo and Orihime

and even maybe

Chad and Ishida :P

Souzouryoku

2005-12-18, 18:24

I am a huge RukiaXIchigo fan. Though, I doubt they will end up together, they just don't seem like the type of people who will "share" their feelings with each other.
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On the other hand, I don't mind Orihime and Ichigo getting together so much either. But I'd prefer IchigoXRukia.
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Then again...Ichigo is the type of guy who is kind of "dumb in the head" when it comes to girls. I don't think he even realizes Orihime has feelings for him.

NightWish

2005-12-18, 18:47

Umm this seems like a good enough place... bit of an old thread but if you're going to bring the question of "Ichigo and Rukia?" up the content might be useful.

This post contains all the (available) posts from the previous "I wonder if Rukia and Ichigo will be a couple... [manga spoilers MUST be marked]" thread, restored thanks to the Google cache. Please DO NOT quote all of this post when replying; copy just the bits you need to refer to!

WARNING: All spoilers previously hidden individually are now exposed below this single spoiler

Krnballerzzz
2005-06-19, 23:28
I do usally do not follow the manga when i watch an anime series that follow a manga... But i was wondering... will ichigo and Rukia fall in some kind of deeper realtionship? I mean, he fricken went to Soul Society to save her... Risked his life like 25 times... So i was wondering...

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Bronwen Stx
2005-06-20, 00:02
I do usally do not follow the manga when i watch an anime series that follow a manga... But i was wondering... will ichigo and Rukia fall in some kind of deeper realtionship? I mean, he fricken went to Soul Society to save her... Risked his life like 25 times... So i was wondering...

I hope so too. I mean the lengths he go to save her. Honestly, the fact that they act like an old married couple and are not shy with calling each other names and Rukia kicking where it hurts the most. :heh: The fact that they've practically live with each other (Ichigo's closet) in the same room.

Rukia I believe has integrated herself into one of Ichigo's important people he will die for to protect.

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what/why
2005-06-20, 01:40

MEGA SPOILER
No, hes just saving her out of gratitude

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Daniel E.
2005-06-20, 01:40
They better not be another one of those "We like each other a lot, but we are never going to confess that feeling openly" couple.

Far too many couples in anime are already like that. :rolleyes:

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xandiira
2005-06-23, 21:55
We won't know until the actual end of the manga, people! But I am hoping that they do go together .. : covers up her Renji and Rukia avatar. : >_>!

to what/why and all other Bleach manga readers:
if you are keeping up with the manga like i am, you & me both know it is not over. >_> That guy hanging in the sky WAS NOT doing that for fun.
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what/why
2005-06-23, 22:45
We won't know until the actual end of the manga, people! But I am hoping that they do go together .. : covers up her Renji and Rukia avatar. : >_>!

to what/why and all other Bleach manga readers:
if you are keeping up with the manga like i am, you & me both know it is not over. >_> That guy hanging in the sky WAS NOT doing that for fun.
What does this have to do with Rukia?
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xandiira
2005-06-23, 22:50
o_o I'm just saying that it won't end from there, that's all. There's bound to be more interaction between Ichigo and her.
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Kokujin Sifu
2005-06-24, 05:15
I'm guessing it will all end in a very platonic way...like a lot of shows. Sheesh, it's almost as if they (animators and mangakas) are afraid of actual interaction between characters. No kisses, no touching and no gropping, lol. Sometimes I think they don't want to scare the otaku fan base, all those guys who don't get girls and who would be shocked at the image of a shonen action hero actually doing something sweet...LOL---It's the shonen curse I tell you!
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aogaeru
2005-06-24, 05:45
I'm guessing it will all end in a very platonic way...like a lot of shows. Sheesh, it's almost as if they (animators and mangakas) are afraid of actual interaction between characters. No kisses, no touching and no gropping, lol. Sometimes I think they don't want to scare the otaku fan base, all those guys who don't get girls and who would be shocked at the image of a shonen action hero actually doing something sweet...LOL---It's the shonen curse I tell you!

A far cry from the MTV generation, eh?

I would like Rukia and Ichigo to form their alliances but somehow I feel they won’t. As to why I’m not sure… The show itself has never intentionally shown any ‘love’ interest directly, but rather indirectly, so it’s really hard to say…
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Shinigami Rukia
2005-06-24, 14:36
welll I sure hope rukia will be back to the real world, those SS stuff creeps me, man!! for gartitude!! wtf! no way! lol i wont risk my life for gratitude only, besides have you noticed that in the anime they are focusing it more for ichigoxrukia than actually in the manga?

Kubo tite deserves to be hunted by nightimares and ordes of countless ichigoxrukia fans aaargh! besides i dont think he will make rukia disappear than easily since she is the 2nd most popular character of of bleach! *sigh* if someone must disappear is inoue >:E /stabs inoue

Tooo bad belach it sst ill going -.- i want to know if he is going to actually go for rukiaxichigo, man! at least let them be together indirectly saying they going to be there for each other and IN THE SAME PLACE.

well that is my humble opinion, but japanese men mangakas are sucha a weird creatures , anything may happen , i hope kubo tite dont disappoint fans !!!

*burns orihime down*
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xandiira
2005-06-24, 16:23
welll I sure hope rukia will be back to the real world, those SS stuff creeps me, man!! for gartitude!! wtf! no way! lol i wont risk my life for gratitude only, besides have you noticed that in the anime they are focusing it more for ichigoxrukia than actually in the manga?

I'll go out on a limb here and say that Ichigo's trying to save Rukia because she practically saved him and his family. Of course you're going to help save the person who helped you saved the ones close to you. I would too. I guess saving her is his own way of saying "thank you." I have noticed that they put a lot of hints of Rukia and Ichigo in the anime more than they did the manga, but in a lot of other animes with mangas of their own, they also do that too. ^^; If you've noticed. I guess they're doing this to grab the attention of the two's relationship with each other.

Kubo tite deserves to be hunted by nightimares and ordes of countless ichigoxrukia fans aaargh! besides i dont think he will make rukia disappear than easily since she is the 2nd most popular character of of bleach! *sigh* if someone must disappear is inoue >:E /stabs inoue

Tooo bad belach it sst ill going -.- i want to know if he is going to actually go for rukiaxichigo, man! at least let them be together indirectly saying they going to be there for each other and IN THE SAME PLACE.

well that is my humble opinion, but japanese men mangakas are sucha a weird creatures , anything may happen , i hope kubo tite dont disappoint fans !!!

*burns orihime down*

^^; It's nice to see a person who really sticks up for the IchigoxRukia pairing! The two are great together, they get along quite well but Orihime is a good character as well! From the signs of it, Ichigo doesn't seem to think of Orihime as that kind of "friend." He appriciates her and admires her strength, but I don't think he's into her in that kind of way. So, unless they spend huge amounts of time together like Rukia and Ichigo did( >> If I slept in a guy's closet I KNOW I would certainly become well aquainted with him ), the odds for them getting together is almost slim. Yet, they do go to school together so who knows what will happen! But right now, let's think of the OrihimexIchigoxRukia relationship as a love triangle of some sort shall we? x3 But this being a Shounen manga/anime, they probably won't enter as much love stuff as Shoujo manga/anime would give you. So let's just cross our fingers and hope Kubo Tite allows the IchigoxRukia to carry on!
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Kokujin Sifu
2005-06-24, 22:38
I really hope they end up together, believe me...it's just that after watching countless shows and some manga in my days, I'm pretty much guessing that they'll leave it open...wide open. Something like one of the show early endings, with Rukia, Ichigo against the sunset with her all star eyed. In fact, that ending is the proof that they'll goo for the implicit and leave the explicit out! Lol!She will never say that she loves him and with that he won't tell her the same...and the shonen train rides on!

It's the shonen curse...the curse I tell you!
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Sokar
2005-06-24, 23:40
I think I got something interesting to say, but it contains major manga spoiler
Since we pretty all know (fine, not know, but anyone can see it from a mile away) that Ichigo is Kaien's reincarnation, and Kaien had a wife, someone he loved. If you believe that two souls are bound together then won't Ichigo end up with Kaien's wife? Whoever that is. The wife might be a hollow though, which might set up an interesting battle. Maybe Rukia vs Kaien's wife turned hollow?

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Encoder
2005-06-26, 01:51
I'm not sure of this but I heard Kaien's wife resembled Orihime before she died, perhaps Inoue will be with Ichigo.

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ThePowerOfAnime
2005-06-26, 11:3
I'm not sure of this but I heard Kaien's wife resembled Orihime before she died, perhaps Inoue will be with Ichigo.

Interesting.... doh... this wasnt in anime! spoiler... nooooooooooooooo.......

jk LOL
(seen manga too)

Edit by Moderator: Added spoiler tags since they were left out of his original post and banned him for forgetting them.
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lana3007
2005-06-26, 17:15
I'm not sure of this but I heard Kaien's wife resembled Orihime before she died, perhaps Inoue will be with Ichigo.

I heard that somewhere else too. After all they never showed her face in the manga, which in of it's own is suspicious, so I wouldn't be all that surprised if Orihime is her reincarnation (though it's a little predictable).

Personally I think Ichigo and Rukia like each other, they just don't quite realize it. Ichigo has two or three different explanations for why he goes to SS. One is to repay her, another one is because she 'belongs' in his world. The second one he only tells to Orihime right after Rukia leaves, and it sounds heck of a lot like he likes her and misses her but can't understand it.

And yeah, it's not over, even if they have gone their seperate ways: I mean after everything he has gone through to rescue Rukia, it's not like Ichigo will just forget about her.
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finalheaven
2005-06-26, 18:47
Me = Hasn't read the manga

"ARRRGH my eyes!!! Why did I just read that!?" :twitch:

:joke: Nah, don't worry. I saw a piccy of Kaien and knew he was dead so I pieced most of the story together from hints dropped in the anime... (And I'm the kinda person who clicks on a marked spoiler out of curiosity.. :innocent: ...well it did kill the cat)

But as for Inoue and Ichigo being together???

*Goes to join Shinigami Rukia and the rest of the mob that are stabbing/burning/zapping Inoue into dust* :bash:

Or maybe we could just tie her out and wait for her soul to be eaten?

Kaien had a wife but didn't Rukia have strong feelings towards him? Which were possibly returned (I think Kaien and Rukia were quite close) Rukia's feelings have obviously been attached to Ichigo since he is Kaien's reincarnation and is so similar to him. (No wonder she would fancy him... Ichigo = Kaien minus The Wife)

BTW this is only assumed from third hand info I've obtained, it may all be a load of...

Besides what would be the point of all the IshidaxInoue significant looks and moments then? (while in soul society) Surely that is building up something? Bit annoying if after all that Inoue still chases after Ichigo. :mad: :mad: :mad:

I'd really like a happy ending to Ichigo and Rukia even if nothing happens in the anime/manga, at least the story should be left so that they can be together, or we can imagine them together...

And yeah, it's not over, even if they have gone their seperate ways: I mean after everything he has gone through to rescue Rukia, it's not like Ichigo will just forget about her.

If there is any justice in the world this will be true!

Edit: I'm really sorry about the unmarked spoilers, I was assuming that this thread wasn't bothering to mark them since no one else had - much like in the manga discussions where some things are all known. :( Sorry to anyone I spoilt.

*Goes away hanging head in shame and feeling like forum scum...*
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silverorange
2005-06-26, 19:42
Well firstly, yeah that is a pretty big spoiler. Thanks very much! :mad:

Secondly, i really hope all you Ichigo+Rukia fans are wrong. Romance is generally sappy and seems to be pretty difficult to pull off well without it seeming cheesy. A little romantic tension that is left open for the viewers imagination to decide what may or may not happen is much better. Ichigo's character is too loud and abnoxious to turn into a mushy romantic. However, if they can pull of a good Ichigo Rukia romance ending then all the power to them, but it just seems too easy to mess up, which means if they go that route then it likely will get messed up and leave me and countless Bleach fanatics disapointed.
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jhcl
2005-06-27, 03:28
Where have they ever stated that he is the reincarnation of Kaien.

I really do not see how you can draw such a conclusion that has never been stated. Just because they share a similar personality you cant consider it as conclusive evidence that they are one and the same.
If they were the same soul then wouldnt that imply that Kaien should have as much spiritual energy as Ichigo? That didnt seem the case to me when they showed him though but thats just an opinion.

As for the topic, I dont expect any relationships of any kind. The manga is found in Jump. Be the Best manga never has a romantic aspect in it.
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Sokar
2005-06-27, 04:01
To jhcl:

You said: "I really do not see how you can draw such a conclusion that has never been stated."
Well, it's not much drawing if it's just stated somewhere. There was a thread on this on page 2, and here's the link for the webpage that explains this so well
http://www.twilightvisions.com/funstuff/bleach/ichigotrinity.htm

Also with regards to the spirit power comment, spirit power can grow. It doesn't mean you have the same spirit power forever and throughout your reincarnations.

Edit: Why is there a sad face on top? Must have pressed something wrong.
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jhcl
2005-06-27, 04:34
To jhcl:

You said: "I really do not see how you can draw such a conclusion that has never been stated."
Well, it's not much drawing if it's just stated somewhere. There was a thread on this on page 2, and here's the link for the webpage that explains this so well
http://www.twilightvisions.com/funstuff/bleach/ichigotrinity.htm

Also with regards to the spirit power comment, spirit power can grow. It doesn't mean you have the same spirit power forever and throughout your reincarnations.

Edit: Why is there a sad face on top? Must have pressed something wrong.

Although i am still somewhat skeptical that was rather convincing :heh:
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Katsushi
2005-08-05, 23:53
I was just wondering about this thats all :p
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Bronwen Stx
2005-08-06, 00:28
It's certainly up to your interpretation. XDDD

::pokes:: Why do you think so? What scenes? :D What made you think there is something going on between them?

Most people here see RenjixRukia though... :( But, IMO, I think there is something going on between Ichigo and Rukia. hehehe. :innocent:

I love them, one way or another and it doesn't help that they act like a senile old married couple who don't care for the world as they can argue in the middle of a serious situation (see episode 41). For all they care it could be the end of the world and they would argue during it. :heh:
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SuperKnuckles
2005-08-06, 00:40
I think the reason why the show sets up Renji and Rukia so much is so that Ichigo can snatch up Rukia later. I think there has been a lot of obvious hints to Ichigo and Rukia possibly hooking up. Apparently the thing that'll link them is how they kept fighting against eachother. And arguing. A lot. Like a TRUE couple. :heh:
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Wolcik
2005-08-06, 09:04
It's certainly up to your interpretation. XDDD

::pokes:: Why do you think so? What scenes? :D What made you think there is something going on between them?

Most people here see RenjixRukia though... :( But, IMO, I think there is something going on between Ichigo and Rukia. hehehe. :innocent:

I love them, one way or another and it doesn't help that they act like a senile old married couple who don't care for the world as they can argue in the middle of a serious situation (see episode 41). For all they care it could be the end of the world and they would argue during it. :heh:
When Ichigo, Renji and Rukia meet they all argue and it's hillarius so it make a great triangle, Rukia tease all mens she likes :D Ichigo and Renji :D just wait for Byakuya boy :D
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gangsta905_04
2005-08-07, 00:54
heh..it surprises me..

ICHIGO GONNA RAPORZ U TONITE BYAKUYA =P
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marilyn
2005-08-08, 02:39
Honestly, the fact that they act like an old married couple and are not shy with calling each other names and Rukia kicking where it hurts the most. :heh: The
in which episode did this happen??i couldn't find it :( this must be very funny :heh:
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Wolcik
2005-08-08, 03:59
in which episode did this happen??i couldn't find it :( this must be very funny :heh:
For expample in 41 when Ichigo and Rukia meet for the first time since departing... They argue about "saving"...
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marilyn
2005-08-08, 04:05
i think you've misunderstood me.i meant when did rukia kicked him?i couldn't recall when that happened. :confused:
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Wolcik
2005-08-08, 07:32
i think you've misunderstood me.i meant when did rukia kicked him?i couldn't recall when that happened. :confused:
if you mean literally then I don't recall Rukia kicking Ichigo WHERE IT HURTS THE MOST (maybe in the head when he was under kidohu in the 1st ep/chapt)... I thought it was about his feeling and pride :D
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Bronwen Stx
2005-08-08, 12:27
i think you've misunderstood me.i meant when did rukia kicked him?i couldn't recall when that happened. :confused:

It's one of those first few chapters or episodes...where Rukia asked Ichigo to talk with her for a moment and he refused and then she kicked him, and went camatosed and then the audience (his and her classmate) said something along the lines;

classmate1: Did she just...??
classmate2: I think she did...

:D
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gangsta905_04
2005-08-09, 00:59
remember ichigo is too "innocent"? he freaked out wen Yourichi was sexily naked..lol..he turned red...nd please sum1 tell me sumthin...wuts wit the nosebleedin wenever an anime character sees a naked women..or sumthin close?
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Zeff
2005-08-09, 01:22
I would like it, if they would be
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Wolcik
2005-08-09, 06:48
It's one of those first few chapters or episodes...where Rukia asked Ichigo to talk with her for a moment and he refused and then she kicked him, and went camatosed and then the audience (his and her classmate) said something along the lines;

classmate1: Did she just...??
classmate2: I think she did...

:D
If it is in Kon 1st ep/chap then they don't show where she hit/kicked him...
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ExperimentalBleach
2005-08-12, 19:50
Well firstly, yeah that is a pretty big spoiler. Thanks very much! :mad:

Secondly, i really hope all you Ichigo+Rukia fans are wrong. Romance is generally sappy and seems to be pretty difficult to pull off well without it seeming cheesy. A little romantic tension that is left open for the viewers imagination to decide what may or may not happen is much better. Ichigo's character is too loud and abnoxious to turn into a mushy romantic. However, if they can pull of a good Ichigo Rukia romance ending then all the power to them, but it just seems too easy to mess up, which means if they go that route then it likely will get messed up and leave me and countless Bleach fanatics disapointed.

Not everything is black and white. Ichigo does have a caring side and if you missed that somehow, you seriously need to look over the manga and anime a bit more.
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ExperimentalBleach
2005-08-12, 20:17
I think Ichigo and Rukia have a certain 'IT FACTOR' that Ichigo, with Orihime doesn't have. The fact that they argue all the time, yet hang in for eachother is proof enough. And don't forget Ichigo needs a reason to change the way he feels about Orihime. I also think Rukia has a stronger bond with him, too. And just because she now lives in the SS doesn't mean their relationship has ended. The upcoming arc might bring them together.

An afterthought is: Maybe all Orihime currently feels for Ichigo is puppy love or friendly love, rather than a passionate bond. And I recall that in the manga in the first volume, she said she liked Ichigo because of the way he looks. The heart of a teenager is fickle. Doesn't seem like the best relationship ever... :twitch: GO ISHIDAXORIHIME!!! They are much better suited. They have chemistry.

All I'm saying is everyone needs to bring SOMETHING to the relationship. And for some weird reason, I like IkkakuxNemu. :eyebrow: Besides, Rukia and Ichigo just look cute together.
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Wolcik
2005-08-12, 20:59
I like IkkakuXNemu... Ikkaku is funny, strong and in some way smart... and Nemu is hmm pretty (what can you say anout something that Mayuri created)...
I think that IchigoXOrihime was stronly shown when they were tring to reach each other hends when they were entering Shinigami's part in SS :D but then they got separated and Ishida took care of Orihime... and She isn't that dumb, she knows that Rukia is her rival :D
RukiaXRenji... they both argue the same way like RukiaXIchigo, but Renji is taller and has likes to kick other people in the back to chear them up :D that's why Rukia liked Ichigo from the begining :P
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ExperimentalBleach
2005-08-12, 21:55
I like IkkakuXNemu... Ikkaku is funny, strong and in some way smart... and Nemu is hmm pretty (what can you say anout something that Mayuri created)...
I think that IchigoXOrihime was stronly shown when they were tring to reach each other hends when they were entering Shinigami's part in SS :D but then they got separated and Ishida took care of Orihime... and She isn't that dumb, she knows that Rukia is her rival :D
RukiaXRenji... they both argue the same way like RukiaXIchigo, but Renji is taller and has likes to kick other people in the back to chear them up :D that's why Rukia liked Ichigo from the begining :P

You can't claim that Rukia only liked Ichigo in the beginning because he kicked her in the back. That sounds so ridiculous. Rukia (we can all tell, really) likes Ichigo for who he is. Ichigo and Rukia have conflicting ways of life and points of view, so they naturally fight,entertain eachother, ect.

For that OrihimexIchigo bit, you can't draw such a conclusion from a gesture like that. They were trying to reach hands because if they didn't, EVERYONE would have split up (which happened anyway) Ishida and Orihime, however, share subtle yet meaningful moments and words. EX: Episode 41

My point is, Rukia and Renji are great companions but a romantic relationship wouldn't last. For a partnership to work out, the pair must, at least, hold eachother's attention. And no, I don't mean arguing.

With an IchigoxRukia pairing there's no unrequited feelings or loose ends. :cool:

Eandia

2005-12-18, 18:48

I don't think Ichigo will end up with anyone. He has Rukia but she is all professionall and it actually looks more likely that she will end up with Renji, not just because of the fact that they are childhood friends but because of recent events.

Orihime is just too clumpsy and overall I doubt she will end up with Ichigo considering he isn't the least bit attracted to her.

Fafnir

2005-12-18, 19:53

Hopefully Rukia will end up with Ichigo, just so we can see them fight over nothing. Orihime could end up with Ishida, and He could learn something new and funny about her every day(and she could learn that he's a closet pervert:heh: ).

Mousuke

2005-12-18, 20:33

Ichigo/Rukia all the way!!! I won't pretend not to be bias towards Rukia. I think Orihime is cute but kinda dumb and annoying at times. But Ichigo/Rukia seems much more likely than Ichigo/Orihime. We've already seen hints at Ichigo/Rukia. They bicker and fight and it's funny. They have a zany sort of chemistry that's unique and fun to watch. Ichigo/Orihime is dull. Orihime is nice, but too soft spoken for him IMO. It would be tedious to watch. I think Orhime would be better suited with Ishida, who seems to have feelings for her. ^_^

Ichigo/Rukia lives!

Yondaime

2005-12-18, 20:44

I hope for Ichigo and Rukia to one day be a couple, but as for Orihime I'd hope she'd realize its futile to try and get between Ichigo/Rukia, and to hook up with Uryu :D

Soluzar

2005-12-18, 20:48

Right from the earliest chapters it was clear how much Orihime liked Ichigo, and I must say that while I think he and Rukia would make the better couple, I'm a little sad for Orihime. I don't see Uryuu as the idea partner for her myself.

justinstrife

2005-12-18, 22:00

Ichigo and his Zengatsu. :heh:

Come on guys you really don't think he's actually going to get with a chick do you? This show has never been about love interests.

If I had to vote, I'd go Ichigo x Inoue, and Renji x Rukia. However I don't see anybody hooking up with anyone.

MarcusG

2005-12-19, 01:21

G4y fan service ruins most animes for me. I would perfer Ichigo and Ohime.
Rukia and Byuakuya .

Sakurax

2005-12-19, 02:29

Definitely Ichigo and Rukia. They have chemistry. :D
<__< Orhime...*sigh* She's cute and funny and all, but Ichigo barely notices she exists half the time.

Besides, Ichigo and Rukia understand each other alot.
Sure, Orihime understands Ichigo too...but Ichigo doesnt even have a clue about what goes on in her head.

I think Orihime and Ishida would make a better couple. Both are lonely, Orihime could make Ishida lighten up, Ishida could be the protective male figure in her life that Orihime has been looking for. I think she looks at Ichigo, being the eldest brother of two younger sisters, and he reminds her of her brother. She's probably just looking for a guy that will protect her and care for her.

Rukia on the other hand, just likes hanging out with Ichigo...I think. O___O
Or...maybe she just likes him because he looks like Kaien?

Either way...RUKIA & ICHIGO ALL THE WAY!!!! :D

fieryshadowcard

2005-12-19, 03:35

Neither.

IchigoxTatsuki

With that out of the way...

IshidaxOrihime
RukiaxRenji

I'm not going to repost why just yet. (still bummed out about the entire reset)

Kokoro Toshokan

2005-12-19, 05:47

I want Ichigo and Rukia. They'll make a fine couple! Both a little quick-tempered. Orihime is so sweet, so girlish. I don't think she could handle Ichigo little tempers. :D

sarrah

2005-12-19, 06:45

i think in the soul society episodes/ chapters, they showed ishida and orihime more together...and it seems ishsida has a soft spot for her....uno i think them two are gona end up together!!!!
as in i know that the ichigo and rukia thing is a bit weary adn nobody really knows, but its for sure that ishida will grow feeling for orihime definately...dunno whetehr orihime will feel the same...but hey..unfulfilled loves are quite interesting toooooooo

kokoro, i agree although orhime can tell ichigo's mood swings she cant get to his emotions, like rukia can.... mushy analysis but c'mon from whats happened so far i dont see orihime becoming any closer to ichigo.............

kljs

2005-12-19, 08:12

actually, from how I look at it, right up until episode 60 that is. the relationship or not is something like this.

Don't know if I should put the spoiler tag or not. So, to be safe, I will put the spoiler tags anyway.

Rukia -> Ichigo -> (maybe) Rukia
..................^
.................. |
..............Orihime <- Ishida

or something like that.

sarrah

2005-12-19, 08:43

im not so sure whether rukia has come to realise her feelings though...i mean kaien dono was an important part of her and the resemblence between kaien dono and ichigo kinda resembles some sort of MAYBE reincarnation...but thats more admiration...whether the mentor strudent feeling that once was will evolve to love is maybe improbable..however it doesnt seem that ichigo is a complete replica of kaein, with his own kwirks and personality...so she can fall!!
whetehr he realises his own feelings is still a wonder!!

Yachiru

2005-12-19, 09:27

I'm not a very big fan of IchigoxOrihime but I really like RukiaxRenji. But I have to agree with IchigoxRukia here because mainly they're stuck together, they obviously like each other ( asin friends) alot and we know where that can lead to etc etc all the stuffs ichigo has done for her. And we also know they know each other like really well, like a book and it's pages or someth like tt.

They're a really high bet imo.

notme

2005-12-19, 16:49

IchiOri!

Ichigo and Rukia do have good chemistry together, but I have always seen their relationship as strictly platonic and nothing more...

I think some scenes show Ichigo and Rukia's platonic relationship very well...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/KidChrono/33-09.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/KidChrono/Bleach-04-02-16.png

Now for the first image, Tatsuki did almost the exact same thing as Rukia (sneak out of the principals office without getting into trouble), and Ichigo called her stupid. Tastuki also took Inoue out of the office too though, and Ichigo never thought anything disparaging about Inoue.

Likewise with the "Boahaha." When Inoue did it to him Ichigo said, "It's okay. It doesn't bother me." Yet when Rukia does the exact same thing to him he thinks she is a b****.

This, IMO, shows that Ichigo is close friends with Rukia. Like Tatsuki, Keigo, and Mizuiro he thinks she is stupid/a b**** when doing something like that. With Inoue, however, he never thinks anything bad about her. Even when Inoue gives an extremely stutter filled, "Goo-goo-goodmorining!!" the only thing Ichigo says is "Y-Yeah? You look happy as always Inoue."

Ichigo has always treated Inoue better than he has any other character. He has considered Inoue close to him since before chapter 3, he notices when she is injured, he offers to walk her home, he remembers talking to Orihime about her brother and her hairpins, he recognizes Sora (Inoue's brother) after only glimpsing past Acid-wires mask for a split second (and Tatsuki has even noted how horrible Ichigo is at remembering names/faces), he brings her tea and talks to her when she was healing Jiroubo, he asks her if she was injured at all in SS, and much, much more.

IMO Ichigo has always acted in a unique way to Inoue. While he treats Rukia and Tatsuki like just one of the guys he treats Inoue in a much different way.

debbiechan

2005-12-19, 18:57

I agree that Ichigo treats Rukia like one of the guys, but he doesn't seem to have any romantic interest in Orihime either--his gentleness towards her is the way any decent boy would treat her. Orihime personality seems to dictate gentleness.
I seriously doubt that Kubo is going to pair up Ichigo with ANYONE, just because it's the nature of shounen manga to imply that a coupling may happen. I think the meaningful looks Ichigo and Rukia have given one another at crucial times in the manga point to an implied relationship, but so are there lots of hints that Orihime is CRAZY crushing on Ichigo. He seems oblivious, though.
I'm a huge IshiHime shipper--that's my bias upfront. I really do see the possibility of a relationship developing between those two because they're secondary characters and love tends to happen to secondary characters rather than the lead.
All that said, I really don't know how Kubo's going to go--he's famous for pulling fast ones. The anime seems to build up Ichigo/Rukia and Ishida/Orihime while the manga give Orihime more of a fighting chance at Ichigo, I think.
I know everyone loves Renji/Rukia--but that's doujinshi material--I doubt anything will ever come of it in the real storyline. But IshiHime--yeah, people like them; they're funny together and cute. Ichigo/Rukia is too loud and full of slapstick humor and Ichigo/Ori is kinda... well... blah and storybook.

acidflower

2005-12-19, 19:37

As much as I hate Ichigo x Rukia, I think its more likely to happen.

to debbiechan:
Rahxephon started out as a shounen type anime and in the end, it turned out to be this whole love story involving so many characters. In addition, the main character had quite a few people liking him. So I wouldn't quite rule out the possibility of Bleach turning to one of these kinda things, but I have to admit also, its pretty unlikely. XD

Rupugus

2005-12-19, 19:41

could you imagine Ichigo and orihime eventually having kids?

...

those children would have the IQ of Toast.

yet another reason Ichigo+Rukia makes sense.

Rhys

2005-12-19, 19:50

Then Toast must be quite intelligent because both Ichigo and Orihime are among the top students in their school.

Rupugus

2005-12-19, 20:00

"My future self"
I rest my case.

and Ichigo studies, because he has nothing else to do. doesn't make him smart.

also, didya happen to notice the rest of the students in the school?

The #1 student in a class could only score a 50% on the tests and still be #1 if everyone else scores lower.

also, most importantly:

'twas a bad Joke, those are my specialty.

besides, toast IS very intelligent. Everyday toast plots against you... BeWaRe

Suzumebachi

2005-12-19, 23:06

ShuiMei

2005-12-20, 00:13

I have my post regarding this subject from the original discussion (I think?) anyway, here it is:

I'm not trying to undermind Ichigo and Orihime's relationship, I think he genuinely cares about her, but pretty much on the same level he cares about his other friends, he hasn't really shown or done anything that has marked Orihime as special, she may require more attention and protection because she's not as strong as everyone else, but other than that Ichigo has never really treated her differently [outside the relationship as friends].

While Ichigo claimed that he and Orihime were close prior to Rukia, you can't deny the fact that Rukia coming into Ichigo's life has not made the two closer, were it not for Rukia, Orihime and Ichigo would not be as close as they are now, it's just one of the realities of the series, Rukia changed Ichigo's life- even Orihime has acknowledged that. Ichigo's relationship with Rukia is the very basis of the series, and I'm not implying anything romantic, I just mean the fundamental relationship in Bleach is the relationship between Ichigo and Rukia: no Rukia, no Bleach. Their connection is at the core of the series, and in that lies the problem with pairing up Ichigo with anyone other than Rukia. No matter who Ichigo is paired up with, be it Orihime, Tatsuki, whomever may come in and out of his life, they will have to deal with the fact that no matter what, Ichigo will always have a strong connection with Rukia, and the same applies with Rukia, she will always have a strong connection with Ichigo, it goes both ways. Any potential partners will have to deal with or overcome that obstacle, not saying it can't be done, but it can't be changed and it will be difficult, and that is the problem that Orihime must/has face(d).

It's unfortunate for Orihime's character who admires Ichigo so much, but their relationship is so one-sided. She understands his thoughts, his feelings, his actions and his behaviour, and it's obvious that in Orihime's life, Ichigo is that 'one special person,' but would we ever be able to say that about Ichigo? Furthemore, while Orihime understand Ichigo, she can't put that understanding into action, into supporting Ichigo when he needs it. Again, would Ichigo ever be able to understand Orihime the same way she understands him, or would he ever be able to match her affections? I'm not talking about returning her affections, I mean would he ever be able to feel for her as much as she feels for him? Seems pretty doubtful.

With Rukia, and I'm not talking about romantic, I mean in his platonic relationship with Rukia, Ichigo understands her as much as she understands him, they care about each other the same way- there's mutual understanding and mutual affection. They know how to deal with each other's flaws and their weaknesses, and how to deal with each other in both good and bad situations. It's a balanced relationship of equals, they mutually respect and care for each other, albeit in their own way, but no one stands above the other. Ichigo may be more powerful than Rukia, and while he does protect her, she can still yell and kick and punch him into submission. While she worries over him when he protects her, and he protects her because she's always worrying about him and not worrying about herself- it doesn't really change the dynamic of their relationship.

As I've said before in another thread, Orihime's gentle nature would never be able to express to Ichigo in a long-heartfelt speech what Rukia's harshness could express to him in a few sentences and a kick to the face.

In a potential relationship, Orihime will always be the one giving and giving and Ichigo, while I'm sure he would like to give, I don't think he has the capacity to give as much as she can, it's an imbalanced relationship where they're not equals.

To add on to that, Orihime cannot and is not grouped along with Tatsuki and Rukia as 'one of the guys,' simply because she is not 'one of the guys." Orihime is feminine, she's a maternal figure, and Ichigo doesn't call Orihime a bitch simply because she isn't one. Orihime is a nice, kind, selfless girl- it doesn't make sense to treat her the same way he treats Rukia, who as we all know, acts in a certain way in public and does certain things just for the sake of pissing Ichigo off. They are two completely different people with different relationships with Ichigo.

Orihime would never do something just to annoy Ichigo, her 'bohahaha'ing was innocent and had no ill-intentions, Rukia, on the otherhand, consciously and purposely does things to piss Ichigo off- it's a part of their relationship, they both piss each other off, argue, come to a mutual understanding, and the cycle continues. In my opinion, it doesn't show any partiality towards Orihime on Ichigo's half, or anymore concern for her feelings over anyone else, if Ichigo treats Orihime nicer than any other character it may have to do with the fact that Orihime's character doesn't do anything to bother/piss Ichigo off whereas basically everyone else has, and with good reason, Orihime is totally dedicated/enamoured with him, she has no inclination to rub him the wrong way.

Personally, I think Orihime's relationship with Ichigo is one of the least dynamic- it's obvious that Rukia and Ichigo's relationship is at the core of the series, but even Ichigo's relationship with Chad has more depth than that of his and Orihime. They have a trust, a bond and complete confidence in eachother, honestly- what does Orihime have other than an intense-one-sided affection? Once again, I'm not trying to undermine their relationship, they are certainly good friends, but it's never struck me as anything special, unlike the "frienemy" game Ichigo has going on with Ishida, his rival-complex with Renji, the aforementioned mutual confidence between himself and Chad, and of course, the fundamental love/hate understanding he has with Rukia.

Sakurax

2005-12-21, 00:09

Ichigo and Rukia?! Are you kidding me!?! It is most unlikely. I can definitely see Ichigo and Orihime though. Well...on Orihime's part she and Ichigo have chemistry. I can only see Ichigo and Rukia as really close friends. For example,

On a rooftop:

Rukia: You shouldn't have risked your life to save me.

Ichigo: [Puts his arm around her] Shut up! You know you wanted me to save you.

Rukia: [starts crying] While I was in my cell, you were all I could think about (but she still has a small thing for Renji).

.........

okay maybe that's not how Ichigo x Rukia scenario would go but you get the idea. Rukia leaves and Orihime enters and starts off with a "We finally beat the bad guy" conversation then Ichigo says it's time for a new begining and they both kiss...THE END!!!

Okay someone take the floor...

...okay, that is enough to give all IchixRuki fans a nightmare for LIFE. *shudders* TT___TT

Everybody is saying how Ichigo always treats Orihime nicer than he does his other female friends...but, well, maybe it's because he feels sorry for her and he doesnt know her very well. I mean, when Rukia asked him "Are you two close?" (or something to that effect), Ichigo just said "not really" and something about Orihime being his neighbour's best friend. That already shows that he doesnt know her very well. And honestly, everyone is always more polite, nice and civil to those they dont know very well. To those that they do know quite well, they'll yell, scream and shout all they like.

Besides, Ichigo has strong principles about being an 'older brother' PLUS he has lost a loved one too, maybe he emphathises with Orihime. I still say he sorta sees her like a little sister, someone that needs looking after because, well, really, Orihime has no one except for Tatsuki. I think all the 'nice' things Ichigo does for Orihime are basically things he'd do for any girl that he thinks can't look after herself. The reason he isnt so gentle to Tatsuki, Rukia or even his sisters is because they'd probably kick him and accuse him of underestimating them. --Okay, maybe except Yuzu.

Besides, he can't treat Orihime like a guy...because, unlike Tatsuki and Rukia, she doesnt have that kick-ass, I'll-beat-your-head-in-if-you-piss-me-off kind of attitude. Ichigo is a little slow, but even he can see that Orihime isn't a girl you can yell, glare and curse at without reducing her to tears.

Although...this is JUST MY OPINION. *hides from possible bashing*
I'm just posting for the sake of conversation. >__<"

ShuiMei

2005-12-21, 00:18

...okay, that is enough to give all IchixRuki fans a nightmare for LIFE. *shudders* TT___TT
Pretty much, but it would never go like that unless Ichigo/Rukia had been on the receiving end of a fatal blow to the head, especially Ichigo, I simply can't imagine him being THAT kind of affectionate with anyone :twitch: just as I hope to never hear the phrase "I love you" escape his mouth.

Paranoisy

2005-12-21, 04:22

Thats an easy one. :D
Ichigo/Rukia is more possible than an Devil and God would have a child xD Impossible. Orihime is for the f***ing Quincy xD
I think there are more female charaters in Soul Society. Have a try on Matsumuto :D

notme

2005-12-21, 14:11

For Ichigo acting nice to Orihime, I think it is more than merely reciprocation...

He brings her tea when she is healing Jidanbou, and thinks that she should rest. Doesn't this show that he was thinking about her? Doesn't it show that he cares for more than merely Inoue's safety? Acting polite to her is one thing, but Ichigo goes out of his way for her in this instance.

When going to SS, Inoue was also the only one Ichigo was not worried whether she would be of benefit...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/KidChrono/manga-rainbleach-ch070-02.jpg
Also, if Ichigo thought of Inoue as someone who only needed protection, why did he not try to desuade her from going to SS, or even think that she was not ready/able to go? The only thing Ichigo asked her about going to SS is "Are you sure?"

After Ichigo's fight with Byakuya Ichigo asks Inoue, and Inoue only, if she was injured. Some people take this as Ichigo only being worried about Inoue because she was the weakest, but I do not think that is the case. Wouldn't that be looking down on Inoue? Ichigo has never looked down on Inoue. Not once. I don't see why he would start now. IMO, it is merely another instance of Ichigo showing a tender concern for Inoue's well being.

Well, that is my opinion. :D

Desti-Fate

2005-12-21, 15:07

It's really impossible to guess who Ichigo will pick.
My guess is that the series will end before any real love interest emerges, and at most it'll end with a kiss.
At any rate Orihime strikes me as being Ishida's girl if anyone's...

Haru

2005-12-21, 15:27

The way i have seen most of the affection in the story until now has been mostly that sibling type of "i love you in a way i dont want to see you die" way. Renji x rukia is the closest thing to a real relationship there is.

hitokirigirl

2005-12-21, 15:32

Hmm, Rukia seems to be interested in Renji as much as Ichigo in Orihime....I mean nothing at all :heh:
Hell, what common points do Orihime and Ichigo have ? Nothing. Remember, Orihime in eps 60 I think, telling the others that Rukia brought Ichigo something important (don't recall the exact words).

Even herself is aware of that, besides Ishida seems also to have a crush on the booby chick...

So in the end :
Ichigo/Rukia
Ishida/Orihime

And renji....fuck you:heh: Oh wait, Byakuya needs some love now, go to him, jerk.

debbiechan

2005-12-21, 19:02

:heh:

I really hate the thought of Renji being left all my his lonesome if things do go down IchiRuki and IshiHime, but he'll always have us fangurls...

and Byakuya! :heh:

Suzumebachi

2005-12-21, 23:54

I still think that Renji and Rukia have a thing or two going...^^

NaNash|

2005-12-22, 00:36

Rellek

2005-12-22, 03:10

I normally don't get into subjects such ass this, but in this case I will make an exception. One note, forgive my spelling, I have a terrible memory when it comes to characters names. So, just be glad I can remember these few. :p

Rujia + Renji
Reasoning: Childhood friends, always cared for eachother, and with the distancing put between those two once they became shimigame. This normally cuases the seperated to think of eachother on another scale as thier freindship starts to diminish.

Ichigo + Oriheme
Reasoning: Point blank, Ori is the only girl Ichigo admits to exist of whcich actually treats like a woman. He is curtious and caring for her, and Ori is the same to Ichigo. Also, Ichigo is still a teenager with a LOT of innosence, so an attraction to Ori based on her personality shows. As he does not admit to her obvious features, while others who meet her do, even that pink haired chick. O.o

Ishida + Konjiki Ashogi Jizou's Lieutenant (Still wondering how I rememebered this guy's name)
Reasoning: While she is in fact artificial in every aspect. They have already formed a respect and concern about eachother's well being. Other than that, thier fates are entwined due to Jizou's intrest in this Quincy. And it seems to be the perfect set from my stand point.

My two cents and now off to bed. :eyespin:

Mousuke

2005-12-22, 03:41

I don't deny that Ichigo is nice to Orihime, but I think some people are looking into it a little too deeply ^_^

Despite his somewhat tough and aloof aura, Ichigo is a very caring person (to the extent that his name means "one who protects"). Not only does he care for his family (he's rather protective of his sisters in particular) but he's also possessive of his friends. He even cares about complete strangers (ex. Before he befriended Chado, he beat up those guys who attacked him). In the early episodes, he admits to Rukia that he wants to protect people from Hollows, including those he doesn't know. Basically, Ichigo is an all-around nice guy who doesn't like to see anyone get hurt if he could prevent it. He wants to be there to tackle others' pain before it even happens.

When taking this into consideration, it's not so unusual that Ichigo should be so nice to Orihime. It's only common curtesy to say hello to someone in passing or offer to walk an injured girl home or hand her a cup of tea if she's been working hard. The reason so many people take this out of proportion is that we haven't seen Ichigo interact with many girls, and so we think "Whoa, he's nice to Orihime = item."

The other girls we see Ichigo interact with are (mainly) Rukia, Tatsuki, and Yoruichi. All three are go-getter, no-nonsense, in-your-face types of girls, and so he has a tendency to reciprocate the feeling. It's not uncommon for him to playfully yell and bicker with Rukia, but it's also not uncommon for him to show her his kind and caring nature. (I mean, he let her live in her closet and snuck her food. If that doesn't demonstrate his selflessness, I don't know what does.)

The reason Ichigo may seem "nicer" to Orihime is because they don't bicker and fight. But you need to remember that Orihime is not an arguer. (Have we seen her fight with anybody?) She's a sweet, simple, easy to get along with girl and doesn't give Ichigo any openings for argument like Rukia, Tatsuki, and Yoruichi do. Orihime has a different personality so he treats her differently.

As for my position, I've already said that I adore Ichigo/Rukia. I also see hints of this in the anime. They've had several moments (that, like anything else, could be arguable as friendship). It's clear that Rukia strongly cares for Ichigo (she's shed tears for him, the only person I remember her crying over apart from Kaien) and he seems to bring out something in her that other characters--including Renji-kun--don't. I think Ichigo and Rukia have a chemistry--not huge and obvious, being a shounen anime--but it's there in the background.

If Ichigo were to be paired with somebody, it would probably be Rukia. Think about it. The show pretty much exists because of Rukia. She's the leading lady and has a very close friendship with our leading man. But in the end, Ichigo/Rukia would be more dynamic to watch onscreen than Ichigo/Orihime. Ichigo/Orihime is a cute idea and all, but I think watching it would be dull and anticlimatic. They get along too well and Orihime doesn't have any binding ties to the spirit world like Rukia does (Orihime has her fairies, but it's not like she's bound to Soul Society in any way). If Ichigo and Orihime got together, it would just be a sweet idea to be blandly forgotten over time. If Ichigo and Rukia got together, it would be a Romeo and Juliet sort of relationship, and in the end people like to watch drama, not something easily coasting along.

Ichigo/Rukia lives.

TwilightHack

2005-12-22, 04:14

I personally like an Ichigo x Orihime pairing over any other...

Mousuke

2005-12-22, 04:42

I personally like an Ichigo x Orihime pairing over any other...

Would you care to tell us why?

Rellek

2005-12-22, 05:04

If Ichigo were to be paired with somebody, it would probably be Rukia. Think about it. The show pretty much exists because of Rukia. She's the leading lady and has a very close friendship with our leading man. But in the end, Ichigo/Rukia would be more dynamic to watch onscreen than Ichigo/Orihime. Ichigo/Orihime is a cute idea and all, but I think watching it would be dull and anticlimatic. They get along too well and Orihime doesn't have any binding ties to the spirit world like Rukia does (Orihime has her fairies, but it's not like she's bound to Soul Society in any way). If Ichigo and Orihime got together, it would just be a sweet idea to be blandly forgotten over time. If Ichigo and Rukia got together, it would be a Romeo and Juliet sort of relationship, and in the end people like to watch drama, not something easily coasting along.

Ichigo/Rukia lives.

To be honest I've only been watching the anime, but this buisness with "Kaien" was forseable from the first instant ichigo became a shinigame. Since I know nothing of that afair, I'll go off of my past expience. This show is based emotionally on how we as people act in the real world. I have seen pairs of people who act the same way Ichigo and Rukia do. And to be frank, the closest these two can be in a relationship with eachother is just extremely close friends.

If by some chance the writter for bleach goes through with the pairings as the characters grow older. Putting Rukia and Ichigo would be entertaining, but so is watching the timer tick down on a bomb and watching the result afterwards. Sure, these two can be caring for eachother, but at the same time they would be at eachothers necks.

With the pairing of Ichigo and Oriheme though, it seems that her feelings for him are developing deeper. And eventually like each story I have read or seen Ichigo could come to his senses and return her feelings whole heartedly. Mainly becuase Ori is the supporting character for ichigo. And with each episode Ichigigo is going to have more work to do. So why have war at both home and work. When you could come home to a santuary?

Another view on why Ori and Ichigo could become a pair, is Ichigo's recklessness. Ori, in turn becomes the counter balance that keeps him walking a straight line. While Rukia can offer some balance, she is a double edged sword and is also aggressive and has a stern outlook.

A final note, Ori is now getting some more spot light in the show as of late, as she is being brought up more in conversation. And seems to lead the others in ichigo's absense.

Mousuke

2005-12-22, 05:30

To be honest I've only been watching the anime, but this buisness with "Kaien" was forseable from the first instant ichigo became a shinigame. Since I know nothing of that afair, I'll go off of my past expience. This show is based emotionally on how we as people act in the real world. I have seen pairs of people who act the same way Ichigo and Rukia do. And to be frank, the closest these two can be in a relationship with eachother is just extremely close friends.

If by some chance the writter for bleach goes through with the pairings as the characters grow older. Putting Rukia and Ichigo would be entertaining, but so is watching the timer tick down on a bomb and watching the result afterwards. Sure, these two can be caring for eachother, but at the same time they would be at eachothers necks.

With the pairing of Ichigo and Oriheme though, it seems that her feelings for him are developing deeper. And eventually like each story I have read or seen Ichigo could come to his senses and return her feelings whole heartedly. Mainly becuase Ori is the supporting character for ichigo. And with each episode Ichigigo is going to have more work to do. So why have war at both home and work. When you could come home to a santuary?

Another view on why Ori and Ichigo could become a pair, is Ichigo's recklessness. Ori, in turn becomes the counter balance that keeps him walking a straight line. While Rukia can offer some balance, she is a double edged sword and is also aggressive and has a stern outlook.

A final note, Ori is now getting some more spot light in the show as of late, as she is being brought up more in conversation. And seems to lead the others in ichigo's absense.

I don't mean to say that Ichigo/Orihime is impossible, I just don't think it's as interesting as Ichigo/Rukia. Rukia is more like the coworker or backup, and Orihime is like the quiet little wifey waiting at home with dinner ready. Personally, I'd rather see Ichigo with a girl who can kick butt than with a domestic girl who's there for him when he feels like it.

If Ichigo "[came] to his senses and [returned Orihime's] feelings wholeheartedly", I can't see it drawing much attention to itself. Orihime is a gentle, soft-spoken person. Sure, they'd talk now and then, but--being a shounen anime--we'd only see Orihime inbetween fights and in domestic settings (unless she suddenly went Yoruichi and starting kicking ass). If Ichigo and Rukia developed a relationship, it would be (as I mentioned before) similar to a Romeo and Juliet saga. It would be interesting to watch the dramatic struggle. Also, Rukia is a fighter and we'd see her more often, providing more insight on their relationship.

When it comes down to it, Ichigo/Rukia makes for a better watch and seems more probably than Ichigo/Orihime. Perhaps Orihime could pair up with Ishida (there have been hints throughout the SS arc.)

Rellek

2005-12-22, 05:48

I don't mean to say that Ichigo/Orihime is impossible, I just don't think it's as interesting as Ichigo/Rukia. Rukia is more like the coworker or backup, and Orihime is like the quiet little wifey waiting at home with dinner ready. Personally, I'd rather see Ichigo with a girl who can kick butt than with a domestic girl who's there for him when he feels like it.

If Ichigo "[came] to his senses and [returned Orihime's] feelings wholeheartedly", I can't see it drawing much attention to itself. Orihime is a gentle, soft-spoken person. Sure, they'd talk now and then, but--being a shounen anime--we'd only see Orihime inbetween fights and in domestic settings (unless she suddenly went Yoruichi and starting kicking ass). If Ichigo and Rukia developed a relationship, it would be (as I mentioned before) similar to a Romeo and Juliet saga. It would be interesting to watch the dramatic struggle. Also, Rukia is a fighter and we'd see her more often, providing more insight on their relationship.

When it comes down to it, Ichigo/Rukia makes for a better watch and seems more probably than Ichigo/Orihime. Perhaps Orihime could pair up with Ishida (there have been hints throughout the SS arc.)

When it comes to writting down ideas and thoguhts down onto paper, often my mind moves much to quickly. So, I end up leaving holes that could stretch several papers. My teachers hate me for this btw, so I appologize if that starts to happen.

In anycase, yes the pairing between the two would overall make for a dramatic expierence. But, so could the resulting exchange between ori and ichi, and how the two fall in together. All in all there are too many plot twists just waiting to happen, and it is my opinion that its still to early in the game to call anything.

Another note on Ori, examine her spirit powers physical presence. It reflects her personality, 5 for protecting and one for attacking. So far, each of her sprites excluding her offensive have shown thier faces through her personality. What does this mean? Simple, there is still a lot for character development that is going into ori, this is from what the show has shown. So, personally, I'm waiting for Ori's offensive side to show. :D

Besides that, I still think that somehow Ishida will pair up with Jizou's Lieutenant for reasons I have already stated.

Finally, while you may call for more drama, for this type of anime, manga, show... eh. A romeo and juliet pairing is definatly not the case for Rukia and Ichigo. Mainly becuase it was not love at first sight and this show is going for a happy ending. So a housewife pairing with Ichigo seems more logical to me.

Either way. Night. >.>;;

Itachikun

2005-12-22, 06:02

Sakurax

2005-12-22, 08:53

Finally, while you may call for more drama, for this type of anime, manga, show... eh. A romeo and juliet pairing is definatly not the case for Rukia and Ichigo. Mainly becuase it was not love at first sight and this show is going for a happy ending. So a housewife pairing with Ichigo seems more logical to me.

This show may not actually have a happy ending. Although I love IchixRuki, I agree with others in saying that this may actually end without the love triangles ever resolving. Otherwise it's just too neat and tidy. The whole 'happily ever after' is just too much of an anti-climax, as is the idea of Ichigo getting a housewife pairing...Ichigo as a typical family man? Gahhh...the idea makes me just a little queezy. =/

Rellek

2005-12-22, 16:13

This show may not actually have a happy ending. Although I love IchixRuki, I agree with others in saying that this may actually end without the love triangles ever resolving. Otherwise it's just too neat and tidy. The whole 'happily ever after' is just too much of an anti-climax, as is the idea of Ichigo getting a housewife pairing...Ichigo as a typical family man? Gahhh...the idea makes me just a little queezy. =/

All I can say to this is, look at Ichigo's father.

Besides this is all speculation, and most of these pairings will only be in fan-fics. So, in reality, it is whatever floats thier boat.

ShuiMei

2005-12-22, 23:22

I think people are looking into this too deeply, almost grasping at straws really to say that Ichigo is especially nice to Orihime as if he's romantically partial to her. Ichigo is a nice guy, hotheaded and stubborn, but he is indeed a nice, caring guy and Orihime is a nice, caring girl, thus, they are good friends who are nice to each other. Buddha knows if I started making note of every little thing Ichigo has ever done for Rukia, it could seem like he's absolutely enamoured with her, which he's not. Hell- if you go through the series with that kind of logic, Ichigo could also possibly have feelings for Chad and/or Ishida, both of which he's paid more attention to and understands better than Orihime.

Orihime is not someone who only needs protection, but she is someone who Ichigo should rightly be concerned about as she is a girl, and Ichigo is a guy, and Ichigo has guy-complex, so he asks her if she's okay. It doesn't matter how able she is, he will still be concerned, he's showed this countless times with Rukia. It also doesn't matter if he "thought her to be of use" if she was still the only one who he asked was injured. The way I see Ichigo dismissing Ishida and Chad prior to SS is really more of a humourous, snarky kind of way, otherwise he would have also asked them if they were all right. We all know that Ichigo actually has complete faith/confidence in Chad, he made that evident when Chad was fighting Shunsui, as for Ishida, having fought him before, it's clear that Ichigo acknowledges his strength.

As Mosuke stated, Orihime's personality-type is starkly different from all the other female characters that Ichigo has interacted with, she is much more fragile and easy-going, she is non-confrontational and terribly kind-hearted. She's not the type to hurt people, and it hurts her to see other people hurt- she's that good girl, borderline perfect, and to be quite honest, I find her quite boring. I like her odd moments of randomness, but her near-flawlessness makes it hard for me to like her/root for her. Her flaws are "horrible" things like being too caring, too nice, too kind, too friendly, too selfless- ooh, that bitch. I can't understand why Ichigo would show such kindness to such a character! ...and while her powers may be open for further development, her personality has only recently seen any real development of her character, but to me she's still limited as that genuinely good, genuinely kind, genuinely selfless, genuinely boring character.

I don't like IchiHime simply because I find the prospects of their relationship to be uninteresting and dull, and once again, a relationship of inequality, where Ichigo could never care about Orihime as much as she cares about him, he could never understand her the same way she understands him. Orihime may be fine with that kind of inequality, it's certainly in her character to be okay "so long as she is near Kurosaki-kun's side," as a supporting role in Ichigo's life, but the thing is, she has proven that she can't even do that...

When Ichigo built a wall around himself, depressed and upset that he could not protect his friends, Orihime acknowledged that she could not break down the barrier, that it was only Rukia who was able to knock some sense into Ichigo, that it was Rukia's words that reached him. This is such a telling moment that really compares and contrasts the dynamic of the relationships between Orihime and Ichigo and Rukia and Ichigo.

Despite being someone who whole-heartedly understand Ichigo, Orihime was unable to utilize that understanding and apply it when Ichigo needed it the most, meanwhile, Rukia, who, as far as we're concerned, was not even there during that event and had not seen him since their parting in the Soul Society was able to instantly break down his walls and kick him back to his old self. She didn't give him a big emotional speech, she was simply herself- she kicked him, she yelled at him, lights went off in his head, and he returned to normal. It's not magic, it's how their relationship functions.

Orihime's personality may be the perfect counter for a brash individual like Ichigo, but recent developments in the manga show that Ichigo doesn't seem to respond as well to Orihime's kind of gentleness as he does with Rukia's harshness, which is much more effective.

Even still, I think people overlook Rukia and Ichigo's relationship, particularly how they interact with each other, it's more than just beating on each other and incessant yelling, there's some gentle, genuine undertones in their screams and confrontations. All they really do is mask their affection for each other with all the yelling and screaming they do, it may seem dishonest, but it's certainly effective.

As I said before, Ichigo is "that one person" in her life, but I don't think Orihime could ever be "that one person" in Ichigo's life. Sure they could engage in a possibly romantic relationship, but once again, Orihime's going to have to deal with the fact that Ichigo has another special person in his life, and that person will always be Rukia. He changed her life and she changed his, and Ichigo "coming to realization" will not change that fact. Whether or not Orihime will be able to deal with that is debatable; however,

Recent manga chapters have shown us that she too has recognized Ichigo and Rukia's bond and that it does trouble her that she is/will be unable to reach Ichigo the same way Rukia can. Of course, she shouldn't aspire to change herself and to be more like Rukia in order to reach Ichigo, she's important to Ichigo as well, but she can never be what Rukia is to Ichigo.

Surely, it's possible to get to Ichigo in her own way, but she's going to have to come to terms with the fact that Rukia will always be a part of, and important to Ichigo. There will be things that Rukia will understand that she won't, things that Rukia will be able to say to Ichigo that she can't- it's like they live in their own world where it's just the two of them who are able to understand.

If she can overcome this great obstacle, and it's no easy obstacle, then by all means, go IchiHime- but in the end, IchiRuki, romantic or platonic, will prevail- they are at the fundamental core of this series.

Nightengale

2005-12-22, 23:29

Why is it that every anime, there has to be a main character pairing? This sometime never happens in anime, except for some exception. Take Full Metal Alchemist, Ed never became close with Winry or Rose. Sure its fun to think about it and see if it will happen, but dont get too eager on it.

Exception: Mai-Hime...and others (dont know any really :heh:)

FMA had an original ending. The manga is still going on, and we know how Winry feels. Ed is questionable. It may happen, it may not. But the mangaka him/herself leaves hints in the manga, and often it's natural to take the hints to proper discussions.

Exception :~ Rorouni Kenshin, Dai no Daibouken, Kotaro Makitoru, Jesus the Assasin, Dragon Ball, Full Metal Panic, Samurai Deeper Kyo, Flame of Recca, etc. :P

Mousuke

2005-12-22, 23:47

Sakurax

2005-12-23, 00:27

Well said. Hooray for logic! Often character shippers (myself included) get too worked up over the pairing itself instead of whether or not it's at all likely. I'm glad that there's somebody out there who supports pairings without saying "because it's cute" :heh:

wooooot! I agree ^____^
I was reading through Shumei's post and thinking, "omg! omg!! You took all my disorganised thoughts, phrased them in comprehensible sentences and voiced it to the world!!!"
lol, ok, I didnt really think that, but whooo *applaudes* hooray for a brilliantly delivered and logical argument! :D

QuicksilverPhoenix

2005-12-25, 21:20

Orihime understands Ichigo too...but Ichigo doesnt even have a clue about what goes on in her head.

I don't think anyone knows what the hell Inoue is thinking, not even Tatsuki that is her best friend.

I think is:
Rukia -- Renji
Just because Renji and Rukia are childhood friends and if you think about it, Rukia is in the same position as Inoue, because she just met Ichigo.

Ichigo <> Inuoue
Because both have orange hair!! :p Well, its not a good reason. But still I don't think Rukia
cares about Ichigo in the same way that Inoue does.

Ishida <> His Hand
I dont think he will pair up with anyone at the time being.

I agree there are a lot of other women in Bleach. Tatsuki -- Ichigo is possible because they are Childhood Friends.

ShuiMei

2005-12-25, 22:15

No, Rukia doesn't care about Ichigo the same way Orihime does, you're absolutely right- as Orihime is completely devoted and in love with Ichigo, I don't think Rukia is in love with Ichigo, personally. If Rukia knew that Orihime was in love with Ichigo, mind that I have a feeling that she does know that Orihime has some sort of inclination towards him, then Rukia would probably support Orihime's efforts and possibly even try to push the two together.

However, Ichigo also doesn't care about Orihime the same way she cares about him, but I do think that Ichigo feels the same way about Rukia that Rukia feels towards him. I don't think they're 'best friends' I think Ichigo and Chad are better recognized under that title, as are Rukia and Renji.

I think Rukia and Ichigo's relationship is the 'more than best friends but less than lovers' kind of relationship- those are my general sentiments. To be quite honest I really just like their platonic bond more so than the prospects of the two engaging in romantic relations, I just have problems with picturing them with other people in that manner.

Blaster

2005-12-26, 02:21

IchigoXRukia sounds wrong to me. Rukia is maybe good to Ichigo because she sees him as Kaien.

daemoness

2005-12-26, 13:45

After the Chad flashback I thought Ichigo/Chad would be a good pairing. :)

I'm for Renji/Rukia and Orihime/Ishida. Or maybe no one will end up pairing up at all!

Souzouryoku

2005-12-26, 23:11

Or maybe no one will end up pairing up at all!

Bleach never did seem like the type of anime to get all "gushy gushy-ish" :D If there is ever going to be any kind of love scenes in the future..I'm sure they will be extremely, extremely awkward. For the characters..and for the viewers :D

ScytheBlade

2005-12-27, 03:31

Ichigo x Tatsuki are definitely 2 badasses. LOL!

ShuiMei

2005-12-27, 05:47

IchigoXRukia sounds wrong to me. Rukia is maybe good to Ichigo because she sees him as Kaien.
That doesn't make any sense because her relationship with Ichigo is completely different from that of her and Kaien, certainly there are parallels and times (in the beginning of their friendship) where Ichigo reminded Rukia of Kaien but it's pretty obvious she learned to seperate the two early on. While Rukia certainly respects Ichigo, you can't say it's the same way she respected Kaien, her respect for Kaien was as a subordinate, her respect for Ichigo is as an equal.

Ichigo and Kaien may share personality traits but their dynamic with Rukia is totally different. It's clear that Rukia admired Kaien but she was never as honest and lively with him as she is with Ichigo, despite the two being very similar character-wise. While she did chose to stand by both of them no matter what, by Kaien's side Rukia was his subordinate, an underling who had the most utmost respect and admiration for him, with Ichigo she stands as his companion, his equal, perhaps not in terms of physical strength, but they treat each other as equals and support each other the same way.

If Rukia was only nice to Ichigo because he reminded her of Kaien we'd be flooded with Kaien flashbacks every five seconds those two interact, but we're not.

When Kaien was consumed by the hollow, Rukia was paralyzed with fear, and it haunted her for years, but when Rukia confronted Ichigo about his own inner hollow, there was an unshakable resolve in her words to him. It's obvious that it troubled her of course, but she overcame that with her belief that Ichigo can overcome anything, she has the utmost amount of faith in him, as that is "the [Ichigo] that lives on in [her] heart." Honestly, chapter 196 reveals so much about Ichigo and Rukia's relationship and how it functions, oh-so-perfectly.

and I really hope that Bleach ends with no pairings at all :uhoh: If anyone, who normally wouldn't, gets all "rabbu-rabbu" I'm probably going to keel over and die.

kismis

2005-12-31, 01:15

After the Chad flashback I thought Ichigo/Chad would be a good pairing. :)

ichi/chad? that would only be possible if bleach was a yaoi anime.
.......
which sounds pretty good, come to think of it ;) so many possibilities XDD

wingdarkness

2005-12-31, 01:41

I find it funny that as soon as Rukia turned into a helpless moe-loli her fanbase went thru the roof :heh:

After the first few episodes nobody was talking about Rukia was the hottest, Orihime was killing her in popularity from what i was reading...but now every otuka is in love cause she looks like a helpless almost pre-teen...I just find it very funny, yet very expected...

I actually like Rukia and Ichigo pairing...he seems to care about her way more than Orihime (I especially liked the moment when he rescued her on execution beams and she looked at him like "Damn I think i'm falling for this baka")...but I feel like that's gonna change because Orihime ain't no slouch and will probably throw herself at Ichigo...I also like Orihime's school fanclub and can't wait til they have some more school episodes with the girl in glasses who worships her :D...

I'm still a bit undecided but I think Orihime is gonna make sure it remains a love triangle... As for Renji and Rukia, how can you be with someone who dies or gets toasted every other episode :p ...

Anh_Minh

2005-12-31, 01:58

I support Orihime's idea. Two against one, the girls win!

~azn~

2006-01-02, 05:47

Mousuke

2006-01-02, 23:33

heh.. who thinks that there is gonna be any 'love' in this story line?-i think so.. well to me.. i think that Rukia likes Ichigo.. but ichigo...well not sure, but probably! who knows what will happen..i think Rukia is starting to feel closer to Ichigo though and starts to feel something she havent felt before...dont yah think so too?:eyebrow:

I think there'll be love in the storyline! I mean, it's no harem show so we can't expect Ichigo to suddenly give a heartfelt speech about when he first fell in love with Rukia or vica versa, but just watching the show you can see it. (Ex. Episode 54)

AoiMidori

2006-01-03, 10:09

i vote for Ichigo and Rukia! bcos Orihime is definately fr Ishida! they're just like, meant to be for each other! both of the couples! :D

yeah.. you can see it in the show even if they didn't practically declare their feelings.. but sometimes i don't quite see the man's feelings in what ever anime i watch! :heh:

青和紙

2006-01-03, 23:15

Ichigo and Rukia, for a few reasons:

1) They give each other strength. Ichigo finds his strength and is able to become as powerful as he does because of Rukia, and the desire not to lose her - while Rukia easily reaches despair and resigns herself without Ichigo, as opposed to when she is with him. Rukia and Renji may be childhood friends, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have intimate feelings about each other - they love each other as friends, but because Renji has disappointed Rukia in the past, I doubt she ever will view him as such (who knows whether she ever did, really).

2) Orihime is too insecure to ever really pursue a romantic relationship with Ichigo - she knew that when they left for Soul Society, it was because Ichigo would stop at nothing to save Rukia, and I believe she is crippled emotionally because of that.

3) Ichigo and Rukia were meant for each other - they're both emotionally fragile, but always hide behind a tough exterior, they fight like a married couple, and they each mean so much to their friends that they would go out of their way to protect them.

Anyway - looks like I put too much thought into it. I made my point, tho. :p

IchiNiiSan

2006-01-03, 23:17

Ishida and orihime would make a good couple just because ishida is serious and like, honor roll, meanwhile orihime is loud and umm... ditzy?

Sakurax

2006-01-04, 09:21

Ishida and orihime would make a good couple just because ishida is serious and like, honor roll, meanwhile orihime is loud and umm... ditzy?

Actually Orihime-chan is #3 on the honor roll too. ^_________^
I'm actually beginning to like her more and more.

In the end...if she does get Ichigo. :D Good for her!

<___< I'd still prefer...IchiRuki you know, but bah, Rukia has Renji as a plan B. ^____^

1.0.7.

2006-01-04, 10:05

hime has orange hair..so does ichigo..that's not right
so i say..tatsuki!!

青和紙

2006-01-04, 19:39

hime has orange hair..so does ichigo..that's not right
so i say..tatsuki!!
Eh...I think Tatsuki is to Ichigo as Renji is to Rukia - they provide support and lend a helping hand to them when in need, but not much more than that. It is interesting though: if you look back at Episode 1, Tatsuki and Ichigo seem pretty close friends - though she really disappears about 10 episodes later.

Integra

2006-01-04, 20:59

I think Orihime and Ishida make a better couple than Orihime and Ichigo. We can see the way Ishida cares more and more about her, and, even though is a onesided "crush", because Orihime is still in love with Ichigo, this will change... We all know that Orihime already realized that Ichigo is more on Rukia than her... I always thought that Ichigo thought in Orihime as a sister, and I still think that way... Orihime will realize that she doesn't really love Ichigo the way she thinks she does...

For Ichigo and Rukia... In the begining of the serie I wished they would like each other, but as this is a shonen show I never put too much thought on it. But, when Ichigo went to Soul Society because of her (man... we all know he would do it... but if we think of it... if it was in real life, that was a freaking crazy thing to do... yeah, he is strong... but just because he is Ichigo... anyone else would really have died!!!)... We see how much they really care about each other...
And when Ichigo was that surprised when Rukia appeared in his classroom, and all his change of behave after her "ways" of put some reason in his head... and Orihime speach about them...
Yeah, there's no doubt they are mean to be...

But... Rukia is "dead", she's a shinigami... Ichigo has his own life... Well, even though Ichigo isn't the kind of follow rules and won't care what Soul Society think about him "being" with Rukia... I have my doubts about what will happen in the end... I don't think they will be together... I think each one will go back to their world with the "promise" of meet each other again... Yeah... I'm pretty sure this will happen... Rukia won't let Ichigo be with her if he had to let his family and go to Soul Society... I think something like a promise to meet in the "afterlife" is what will happen between them...

Mousuke

2006-01-04, 23:34

But... Rukia is "dead", she's a shinigami... Ichigo has his own life... Well, even though Ichigo isn't the kind of follow rules and won't care what Soul Society think about him "being" with Rukia... I have my doubts about what will happen in the end... I don't think they will be together... I think each one will go back to their world with the "promise" of meet each other again... Yeah... I'm pretty sure this will happen... Rukia won't let Ichigo be with her if he had to let his family and go to Soul Society... I think something like a promise to meet in the "afterlife" is what will happen between them...

I ADORE Ichigo/Rukia
I must admit, I've never thought about that before....I always wondered how romance would play into such a shounen series, and this could very well be what happens....They admit they love each other, but wait for Ichigo to pass on....what a sweet but mighty depressing ending

Nakatumi

2006-01-20, 12:59

I think Ichigo & Rukia couple is just...sweet;)
Orihime & Ichigo is possible,but without Rukia in anime.(no Rukia no Bleach:) )
Only Rukia can fully understand Ichigo.Inoue is too...childrish for Kurosaki:p
(i'm from china:) so if i made some mistake in this post,don't take it sirious(i write this well??:confused: )

Thewanderer

2006-01-20, 13:31

Ichigo+Tatsuki all the way.

Too unlikely tho... :upset:

Divine Crescent Moon

2006-01-20, 13:39

To be honest, in my opinion given the information we have in the manga, Ruki x Renji seems pretty canon. Considering she's only really loses her will to live after she thinks Renji is dead, she buckles into him when they're running from the execution grounds, Renji helps her to beat up Ichigo, so on and so forth.

Though considering the manga Ichi x Ori is being hinted at heavily, even if I don't like it. Orihime kinda gives me the creeps sometimes because she's pretty obsessive about Ichigo. Like if Ichigo were to end up with someone else she'd jump off a bridge or something. To be truthful I'm an Ichi x Tatsuki fan, but not in the least believing that it'll ever happen because Kubo seems to be pulling strings for Ichi x Ori. To be honest, taking in the newest info from the manga, and pre-SS arc, no one knows Ichigo better then Tatsuki except maybe Karin and Yuzu.

To me the two seem to have a relationship, albeit friendship, outside of the group. She was the one to help him stand after the mother was killed which in of itself is a pretty strong message. I guess some of the hinting is subtle and really don't feel like putting up spoilers for post SS-arc considering this discussion includes anime. Which did change details pre-SS mind you. Even if Ichi x Tatsuki doesn't happen I'll still be a fan of it.

hitokirigirl

2006-01-20, 14:40

Though considering the manga Ichi x Ori is being hinted at heavily, even if I don't like it. Orihime kinda gives me the creeps sometimes because she's pretty obsessive about Ichigo. Like if Ichigo were to end up with someone else she'd jump off a bridge or something.

I agree with that, and with the fact you dislike Ichi x Ori.
However, don't forget that Kubo can come up with unexpected plots, like the last one (at least if you're not a manga reader)

Divine Crescent Moon

2006-01-20, 15:27

I agree with that, and with the fact you dislike Ichi x Ori.
However, don't forget that Kubo can come up with unexpected plots, like the last one (at least if you're not a manga reader)Well if he was using the Ichi x Ori hints as a red haring to lead us away from what he is really doing, which is possible but Kubo seems to really like Orihime a lot, then kudos to Kubo cause it's working. Though with Ch. 211 I have to wonder how he's going to use Tatsuki considering the situation. The thing is I really dislike the current Orihime because she's become this standard Shounen girl all in love with the main character ignoring the people around her. She's become very narrow minded because of Ichigo, which she wasn't in the beginning of the manga. When she was with Ishida I found her a lot more likable, at least in my opinion, then how she is now because instead of being all out of it and "Kurosaki~kun", she was very much working hard and helping Ishida.

For those that said Ichigo treats Orihime differently, if you pay close attention you can see that everyone pretty much treats her the same way. Only Chiziru, Tatsuki, and Ishida have ever treated her differently from the norm.

TwilightHack

2006-01-20, 15:54

For those that said Ichigo treats Orihime differently, if you pay close attention you can see that everyone pretty much treats her the same way. Only Chiziru, Tatsuki, and Ishida have ever treated her differently from the norm.
I think what people mean't was that Ichigo treats Orihime differently... not how everyone else treats her.

Divine Crescent Moon

2006-01-20, 16:01

I think what people mean't was that Ichigo treats Orihime differently... not how everyone else treats her.Well if you look at it he also treats Tatsuki different.

pinsher6

2006-01-20, 23:33

Rukia will end up with Ichigo,it's fated.....

hitokirigirl

2006-01-21, 09:33

Rukia will end up with Ichigo,it's fated.....

Hmm, that's also the feelling I got from the first eps.
The last seconds of the opening theme conveys also the idea.

Chiibi

2006-01-21, 17:57

Ichi-Ruki forEVAR. :D

Seriously, you'd have to be blind not to see that chemistry! :D :D

Legend Ver 2

2006-01-21, 19:20

Rukia will prolly end up with Ichigo. I really don't see any chemistry between anyone else, except maybe Ori x Ishida.

And regarding that Rukia's dead, I haven't seen the anime, but according to the manga:
The temp body that Urehara created for Rukia during her time on Earth was supposed to make her human so no one can steal the Hougyoku inside her forever. So there IS a way for Rukia to "return to life" if you will, or at least become human again.

The Small One

2006-01-22, 06:23

The point is not, if she's dead or not (Ichigo is also dead, since Urahara killed him).
The point is, that those two belong into completely seperate worlds.

Chiibi

2006-01-22, 11:13

The point is not, if she's dead or not (Ichigo is also dead, since Urahara killed him).
The point is, that those two belong into completely seperate worlds.

It doesn't matter because if they really wanna be together, they'll find a way to make it happen.:D

Ichimaru

2006-01-22, 11:28

ichigo*tatsuki :D:D

Kurz

2006-01-22, 12:00

I can see Sandal Hat guy making a new body for Rukia that doesnt Imprision her Soul. Yet still has all the same functions as the last one. I think all her bodily functions were working when she was in the human world last. :heh:

Oh well my vote is for Rukia mostly since shes a spunky short midget.

Orihime never had a rival to worry about now she does she is trying her best to be noticed. Its like the saying "You dont know what you got till you lose it"

NoSanninWa

2006-01-23, 01:54

The point is, that those two belong into completely seperate worlds.
Maybe, but Ichigo isn't going to live forever. :naughty:

People should stop considering Rukia's resurrection as the only way for those two to be together. Heck, he might get killed in the final battle with Aizen. Then they'll belong in the same world. :D :D

strangemanlaughing

2006-04-16, 08:09

DEFINITELY Ichigo and Rukia eventually-though it may take a while.
Maybe, even hopefully, Ichigo will have a little fling with Orihime and her massive jugs before this happens.
Rukia is crazy about Ichigo-though he'll take a while to come around.

Soulz_Byakuya

2006-04-16, 10:25

No doubt that Ichigo and Rukia will be together, coz they make a pair

voldy18

2006-04-16, 11:09

I'm hoping for Ichigo/Rukia but I wouldn't bet my money on it. Orihime's crush is there for a reason, but I'm not sure where it will lead to.

Blizzer

2006-04-16, 11:56

I dont think Ichigo and anyone else is gonna happen cus Ichigo doesnt like to talk about his feelings.

If Rukia tried to tell Ichigo her feelings, I would imagine he would sidestep the topic or tell her to shut up.

If Orihime told Ichigo I think he would listen but not talk about or leave asap like he has to go study.

and after Ichigo would be awkward in their presence and their friendship might be ruined.

Just what I think anyways :p

The Small One

2006-04-16, 14:06

I dont think Ichigo and anyone else is gonna happen cus Ichigo doesnt like to talk about his feelings.
Not talking about the feelings doesn't really have to do with this topic... it's a better argument to say: It won't happen, because this is s Shounen series.

If Rukia tried to tell Ichigo her feelings, I would imagine he would sidestep the topic or tell her to shut up.
Rukia? What feelings?
Rukia sees Ichigo as nothing more than a friend. Same goes for Ichigo.

Blizzer

2006-04-17, 00:50

Not talking about the feelings doesn't really have to do with this topic... it's a better argument to say: It won't happen, because this is s Shounen series.

Rukia? What feelings?
Rukia sees Ichigo as nothing more than a friend. Same goes for Ichigo.

I already use this won't happen cus its shonen but although its true it gets tiring.

I think their relationship goes a little way beyond friendship don't you? they care too much for each other (although Ichigo would never admit anything... and also because its shonen <-- happy small one, dont tell me how to argue )..

I think it would be funny if we saw tatsuki(spelt it right? the karate girl) goin out with Ichigo and Rukia and Orihime are like :twitch:

Thewanderer

2006-04-17, 01:37

I already use this won't happen cus its shonen but although its true it gets tiring.

I think their relationship goes a little way beyond friendship don't you? they care too much for each other (although Ichigo would never admit anything... and also because its shonen <-- happy small one, dont tell me how to argue )..

I think it would be funny if we saw tatsuki(spelt it right? the karate girl) goin out with Ichigo and Rukia and Orihime are like :twitch:
This isn't necissarily true. In Transformers Galaxy Force...(spoilers for those of you who're watching Cybertron)...Coby & Lori got hitched at the end of the series....and that's a shonen(isn't it?)

The Small One

2006-04-17, 04:25

I think their relationship goes a little way beyond friendship don't you? they care too much for each other
I don't think so... of course they care for each other, but IMHO this is just the way very good friends (or siblings) care for each other. I can't see anything which goes beyond this between those two; while it's pretty obvious, that Orihime (or even Tatsuki) feel something different for Ichigo.

npal

2006-04-17, 04:34

Eh well... Ichigo and Rukia, Ichigo and Orihime... Ichigo and Yachiru (:twitch:), I don't give a damn :p I support Ichigo being alone anyway, I can't even remotely comprehend him involved with someone :p

Me and Rukia or Me and Orihime... Now that's the dilemma... Hmm hmm...

eLcHaKeTeRo

2006-04-17, 05:56

I don't think so... of course they care for each other, but IMHO this is just the way very good friends (or siblings) care for each other. I can't see anything which goes beyond this between those two; while it's pretty obvious, that Orihime (or even Tatsuki) feel something different for Ichigo.

Not nessesarily, remember when all the girls were asking Rukia if she was Ichigo's girlfriend? Well after that she tryied to speak to Ichigo in a different way aside from the shinigami work that they had been doing so much of recently. Perhaps she does feel something and she just doesnt know it yet.

Or does she? But just doesnt want to acknowledge her feelings due to fact that she will have to go to Soul Society in the near future.

n1dh0g

2006-04-17, 08:45

I very much prefer IchigoXRukia. Orihime just seem to shy for Ichigo while Rukia interacts great with Ichigo.

Blizzer

2006-04-17, 09:40

Maybe if Rukia hit Ichigo in the head with her Soul Slayer he might go out with her haha

Anyways isn't Rukia hundreds of years old? and shes short and Ichigos tall :p

(ZOMG shes so many years old and she doesnt have the smarts to work out where to put the straw)

Oh btw n1dh0g yur avatar looks like Edward Elric, whats with the ears?

Shinji103

2006-04-17, 11:48

The Small One: Nice to see someone with the same opinion, friend. I agree with all your points. :D

Humarl

2006-04-17, 12:26

I very much prefer IchigoXRukia. Orihime just seem to shy for Ichigo while Rukia interacts great with Ichigo.
yeah i agree

NoSanninWa

2006-04-17, 18:50

I very much prefer IchigoXRukia.
I perfer Rukia X Ichigo. :p

While it is shown that Orihime has a great deal of empathy for Ichigo, I just don't see that Ichigo returns her feelings at all. Especially since Orihime's interaction with Ishida is so positive for both of them.

As for the other half of that couple, Rukia is obviously positioned between Renji and Ichigo. While Renji's feelings for Rukia are plain, I believe that if Rukia felt the same way, she'd have show it by now. They've known each other for centuries without anything ever happening. It's time to accept that nothing ever will happen at this rate. By contrast, Rukia's feelings regarding Ichigo are very intense and seem much more likely to mature into love if they are not there already. It's a shame that nobody seems to feel that way about Renji, since he is such a great guy, but perhaps someday he'll find a girlfriend; he's only been single for 200 years so far. ;)

That leaves Rukia X Ichigo as the best possible couple.

Sinestra

2006-04-17, 19:29

I am going to have to have Rukia and Ichigo i think it might have started off a friendship but its turning into more now. Also, if you go back rewatch some of the episodes when they were in the living world you cant tell me they dont act like a couple how they fight how they speak and interact in general . Remember Ichigo is a late bloomer in the emotional sense its like in grade school where you tease and pull the hair of the girl you like thats how Ichigo acts but he does things by insulted her instead. Also, Boutou arc when Ichigo and Rukia are watching over Ishida she tires to say thank you to Ichigo and is blushing while she saying it. Ichigo of course doesnt get it and says she being weird and creepy which of course pisses Rukia off. Then she acts like a total girl saying forget it and turning her back on him. I think the evidence is there for those but Orihime and Ichigo also have history and it obvious that he does care for her i think its too early to tell who will end up with who if anyone does at all. But i would prefer a IchigoXRUkia and OrihimeXIshida (cause man that guy needs a girl)

momogal

2006-04-17, 21:21

Rukia x Ichigo is the better.. They have good chemistry and Orihime is a little stupid. But she's nice! I like Orihime. Ichigo is good friend.
BUT I don't think he loves her! He doesn't return the feeling. I feel bad for Orihime a little.. she wanted 3P, didn't she?! w!

wingdarkness

2006-04-18, 00:00

Girl that looks like a loli + Brutish bada$$ guy = Ichigo x Rukia =The norm in many animes...

I think they're a good couple actually, but we honestly need to see a few more "telling moments"...all we have is asthetics including the end of the open song with them having a picnic which is some valid $hit...I mean what else is stuff like that supposed to make us think?

And I mean my god how long are they just gonna ignore Tatsuki's character...She was like part of the main cast when the show started and you can see she's clearly a love interest for Ichigo...In the few moments they are together they seem to have the most chemistry...She acts like she's Orihime's best friend but deep down she wants Ichigo...I love girls^^...

NoSanninWa

2006-04-18, 00:07

Girl that looks like a loli + Brutish bada$$ guy = Ichigo x Rukia =The norm in many animes...True. The chosen girl is almost never the most beautiful or bustiest. Of course, Kubo likes to add a twist when he uses stereotypes. The only stereotype he didn't twist was Ichigo who is the punk with a heart of gold. That means he might add a twist and let Orihime be the chosen girl. Personally I doubt it, but you just can't rely on stereotypes.

And I mean my god how long are they just gonna ignore Tatsuki's character...She was like part of the main cast when the show started and you can see she's clearly a love interest for Ichigo...In the few moments they are together they seem to have the most chemistry...She acts like she's Orihime's best friend but deep down she wants Ichigo...I love girls^^...I think that Tatsuki is great also, but unfortunately she is too clearly outside of the circle to have a chance with Ichigo... :sniff:

HoshiHikari

2006-04-18, 17:33

I think that Ichigo and Rukia should definitly be together, unless Rukia decides to go with Renji then i think Ichigo would be better single :D. As for Orihime i think she has a thing for Ishida too (O_o)

Ippo-Kun

2006-04-18, 21:23

hmmm i never liked rukia, she's too annoying. so i'd rather see orihime get it on with ichigo and rukia can get together with renji. but who does that leave ishida with? chad?

Shinji103

2006-04-18, 22:10

but who does that leave ishida with? chad?Just 'cause he's in the show doesn't mean he's going to get it on with anybody. :heh: I mean, how many people in this show do we honestly think are going to leave the show with a girlfriend/boyfriend? lol

Seriously though, I don't see any kind of IshidaxOrihime ending, no matter who Ichigo hooks up with. While Ishida and Orihime obviously get along well, they haven't had anything close to any actual deep moments in either the anime or manga. And with Ishida away training with his dad, we won't be seeing any IshidaxOrihime or Ishida + Orihime scenes anytime soon if ever.

Ori

2006-04-18, 23:03

Yup. Rukia/Ichigo feels right. Orihime can go with Ishida.

cursed_sword

2006-04-18, 23:56

my guess: we will never see a couple with the main character

NoSanninWa

2006-04-19, 00:52

my guess: we will never see a couple with the main character
Sadly true. It is very common in Shounen shows like Bleach that there are lots of hints about who likes whom, but the show usually ends without any romantic resolution. When I say "very common" I mean that I cannot think of a single example of a shounen show that has romantic resolution. We might hope that Bleach will be the first, but I doubt it.

Still.... I cannot help, but hope that this will be the sole exception.

The Small One

2006-04-19, 01:59

When I say "very common" I mean that I cannot think of a single example of a shounen show that has romantic resolution.
There is one: Dragonball.
However you can't really call this "romantic resolution", since everything happens off-screen; it's always like: "XY years later" and the characters are suddenly married and have children.

Thewanderer

2006-04-19, 02:12

NoSanninWa

2006-04-19, 02:46

There is one: Dragonball.
However you can't really call this "romantic resolution", since everything happens off-screen; it's always like: "XY years later" and the characters are suddenly married and have children.
I suppose someone could consider that a resolution, except that it was the least romantic thing I've ever seen. I really can't imagine the relationship between Goku and Chichi as romantic. The only "romance" in that show was between Kuririn and Number 17. Still, this is a point that it is not completely unheard of.

This does make it seem slightly more possible that there will be a romantic resolution in Bleach. Slightly.

Now, I beg everyone not to discuss romance in Dragon Ball here, unless you are comparing and contrasting it to Bleach.

wingdarkness

2006-04-19, 02:55

Sadly true. It is very common in Shounen shows like Bleach that there are lots of hints about who likes whom, but the show usually ends without any romantic resolution. When I say "very common" I mean that I cannot think of a single example of a shounen show that has romantic resolution. We might hope that Bleach will be the first, but I doubt it.

Yu Yu hakusho - Yusuke asks Keiko to marry him before he leaves for demon-world and when he returns they kiss in the sand....Kuwabara also hooks up with Hiei's sister...Botan even suggests that he sneaks in her room late at night alot of times...Then there's Hiei and Kurama :uhoh:...The great character relationships (Not just romantically) is just one of the reasons Yu Yu is my favorite shonen of all time...

NoSanninWa

2006-04-19, 04:55

Digimon 02 and the latest Transformers series too.
Yu Yu hakusho - Yusuke asks Keiko to marry him before he leaves for demon-world and when he returns they kiss in the sand....Kuwabara also hooks up with Hiei's sister...Botan even suggests that he sneaks in her room late at night alot of times...Then there's Hiei and Kurama :uhoh:...The great character relationships (Not just romantically) is just one of the reasons Yu Yu is my favorite shonen of all time...
Thank you both. I'll have to watch Yu Yu Hakusho. My education in Shounen anime seems to be lacking. I guess I've just been watching the ones that lack romantic resolution.

Rhys

2006-04-19, 06:31

Well in the area of shounen romantic resolution, we also have Kenshin and Kaoru. They're the main couple with no significant 'rival' since the beginning of the manga (Megumi is obviously one-sided), but the resolution only comes late into the series. Oh and there's Recca and Yanagi too.

I think Bleach is one shounen with well-written romance subplot. There are moments where Ichigo and Rukia's chemistry are so thick, but some subtle hints point at Renji/Rukia and Ichigo/Orihime too (a lot of them are omitted in the anime, unfortunately). I don't mind who ends up with whoever as long as it's well-written. No offscreen abruptness like Dragonball please. The Bleach couple I'd most love to see is Gin & Rangiku but they seem heading for an unhappy ending...

Grees

2006-04-19, 09:00

Ichigo shouldn't be with anyone, Rukia and Orihime should both marry Kon, his love for them is always apparent, unlike Ignorantchigo. Besides girls don't get into a relationship with gays.
Why does talking perverted stuffed dolls always come out short in these series, it's annoying.

Thewanderer

2006-04-19, 13:45

Thank you both. I'll have to watch Yu Yu Hakusho. My education in Shounen anime seems to be lacking. I guess I've just been watching the ones that lack romantic resolution.
Now that wingdarkness explained what happened on YYH, I feel as if I have to do the same for the others(mostly to help you though). I'm spoiler taging them because some ppl may not've seen them yet(like me not seeing anything past YYH's Chapter Black saga:heh: )

And granted that they happen through timeskips at the end of the last episodes of their particular series and aren't shown afterwards in that time, it still happened eventually. Let's hope that since Bleach is one of the longer series, whoever hooks up will do it earlier in it.

In Digimon Adventure...All of the season 1 & 2 kids were shown 25 years later at the end of the last ep of season 2 with kids of their own. Yamato(Matt)xSora and Miyako(Yolei)xKen are the only ones that paired up... which is halarious if you remember back early on in season 2 when Yolei says things like "I'm gonna marry that guy!" *points to Ken*
In Transformers Galaxy Force/Cybertron...In the last episode, Coby and Lori get married... which I thought was a little wierd considering that they wasn't that close in the rest of the series.

Anyway, on topic... RenjixRukia, mostly because I like the childhood couple thing. OrihimexIshida, just because. Who does that leave Ichigo with? Hmmm...:D

NoSanninWa

2006-04-19, 15:47

I am filled with a sense of hope that Bleach will have a romantic resolution and we'll see the Rukia x Ichigo coupling that I dream of.

Xinil

2006-04-19, 16:04

Yu Yu hakusho - Yusuke asks Keiko to marry him before he leaves for demon-world and when he returns they kiss in the sand....Kuwabara also hooks up with Hiei's sister...Botan even suggests that he sneaks in her room late at night alot of times...Then there's Hiei and Kurama :uhoh:...The great character relationships (Not just romantically) is just one of the reasons Yu Yu is my favorite shonen of all time...
I totally forgot about Yu Yu Hakusho! Thanks for reminding me. God that had a near PERFECT ending. Seen it through twice.

Back to the topic. Ichigo and Rukia or Ichigo and Orihime. Bleh, I don't really like either girl all that much. Rukia's an ungrateful bitch (and I really don't think she's drawn very pretty). And Orihime...is just an idiot. Who wants a GF with the brain the size of a peanut? Sure she's hot...but blah.

So I don't think Ichigo should get with either girl. Ichigo needs to get with Yoruichi. She's by far the most interesting, sexiest and smartest. Hands down.

Ichigo x Yoruichi fan club ftw.

Ippo-Kun

2006-04-22, 00:23

how can you guys like rukia!

"no ichigo, dont fight him. you're too weak" *kapow! ichi's opponent gets pwned*

XxBlackDragonXx

2006-04-22, 02:39

Orihime ain't stupid. Remember long long long time ago. When there were the finals. Orihime was ranked 3rd. Shes one smart ass bitch. Orihime just daydreams alot and stuff. Besides that, shes pretty smart. Anyways. Orihime needs to get wit Chad. Chad is big, strong, and smart. Uryu wit Rukia since they both got sticks up their asses.. Ichigo with Renji because ever girl with funky eye brows needs another girl. Meaning Ichigo and Renji. Bleach Lesbos!. Everyone's happy!

npal

2006-04-22, 03:58

how can you guys like rukia!

"no ichigo, dont fight him. you're too weak" *kapow! ichi's opponent gets pwned*

Rukia :love: :love: :love:

Thewanderer

2006-04-22, 04:00

Rukia :love: :love: :love:
Seconded.

:heh:

tempco

2006-04-22, 04:07

Oh please. Everyone knows Ichigo and Yoruichi are gonna hook up sooner or later. :D

wingdarkness

2006-04-22, 05:22

Orihime ain't stupid. Remember long long long time ago. When there were the finals. Orihime was ranked 3rd. Shes one smart ass bitch. Orihime just daydreams alot and stuff. Besides that, shes pretty smart. Anyways.

Booksmart don't equal people smart...In college you can find the smartest girls around and they'll be the most naive prey when it comes to social and emotional issues...Orihime is a cute noodlehead who makes good grades...She can solve an algorithm, but can she solve Ichigo?

npal

2006-04-22, 05:23

She can solve an algorithm, but can she solve Ichigo?

No one can solve Ichigo :p

voldy18

2006-04-22, 05:38

Orihime ain't stupid. Remember long long long time ago. When there were the finals. Orihime was ranked 3rd.

If we go by that alone, then it makes me wonder why Ichigo is sometimes so stupid, although he's also academically good. :heh:

Hisoka??

2006-04-22, 06:26

ichogo ganna get it on with chad.

rukia with renji and orihime with ishida :heh:

asam_laksa

2006-04-22, 08:10

Booksmart don't equal people smart...In college you can find the smartest girls around and they'll be the most naive prey when it comes to social and emotional issues...Orihime is cute noodlehead who makes good grades...She can solve an algorithm, but can she solve Ichigo?

Inoue understands Ichigo more. She knows when to let go of Ichigo and when to worry and go after Ichigo. And most of the time she accomodates to his needs.

Not like Rukia who seems to be clingy and bossy over him. Goes after him when he needs to do it alone.

Ichigo isn't the one who needs people to make decision for him entirely without consulting him.

That is why I prefer IchigoOrihime more than IchigoRukia. Rukia indeed is stiffling / suffocating him.

And what is wrong with having innocent, naive thoughts about people?? These people have optimism needed to get this world going. She is cheerful over throughout the whole situation. Was she depressed and upset throughout the whole situation in Sou Society.....yeah she was depressed and worried over Ichigo and her ability TO HELP EVERYONE.....but all in all, she was not afraid of going through the whole troublesome shinigamis.

And she can be pretty smart. Remember, she was the one who thought it first for her and Ishida to dress like shinigamis and get out safely. And she doesn't need any reiatsu (like Ishida does) to knock two shinigamis. That is already a different thing between Inoue and Rukia. Rukia is depressed and dependable on stuffs like others and reiatsu. Inoue.....she has to depend on her agility, strongwill and physica strength.....she may have her own powers, but Inoue uses her everything to fight out.

voldy18

2006-04-22, 09:54

XxChris43xX

2006-04-22, 11:03

Ichigo can have both Rukia and Orihime, 'cause he is a pimp...

XxBlackDragonXx

2006-04-22, 12:03

Alrite...in that case Ichigo gets Orihime, and Rukia. Ishida and Chad and go screw them selves.

wingdarkness

2006-04-22, 15:33

Not like Rukia who seems to be clingy and bossy over him. Goes after him when he needs to do it alone.

Ichigo isn't the one who needs people to make decision for him entirely without consulting him.

That is why I prefer IchigoOrihime more than IchigoRukia. Rukia indeed is stiffling / suffocating him.

Ichigo understands what Rukia gave up for him...For him to protect the people most important to him, his family...Death was to be her penalty for this which deeply affected Ichigo...While most girls cater to him she challenges him (Tatsuki does this too, but she's gonna lose T_T)...She tries to tell him what to do and wants to be that assertive figure in his life (which screams "HELLO!! She really cares about him...") She sees his awesome potential, but still wants to protect him...He reminds her of Kaine who she seemingly was secretly in love with (Who she had to kill) and she desperatley wants him to live-on unlike what happened to that other guy...All qualities of someone either subtley//secrectly in love or just really cares about another person...If she wasn't clingy, bossy, stiffling, suffocating she wouldn't care too much about Ichigo...Hell Rukia has been around for hundreds of years and never had the feelings she's had around Ichigo and even the others for that matter...She was a little female Byakuya who lacked showing her real feelings until she met Ichigo and the gang...To be that type of person and turn into a suffocating (as you said) type of person tells you the effect Ichigo has had on her....The proof is in the pudding...When does Ichigo fight his hardest and gains the most power? When his loli Rukia is in trouble ;) ....

In real life ever notice how many couples are comprised of bossy girls who get into arguments with their BF's yet they still care about each other...Couples who argue like cats and dogs, have relationship power struggles yet are still in love (I've experienced that one first-hand)...Don't act like this is some strange occurance...I know Ichigo likes Orihime, but she doesn't excite or challenge him evidently like Rukia does...Not all guys dig the catering type...

Dosu189

2006-04-23, 18:14

Orohime. Rukia is too, well, dumb.

nessy

2006-04-24, 09:13

neither really fit him imo.
i prefer ichi single >: ]

Bob from Walmart

2006-04-24, 23:21

Erm... i would have to say neither as well.

Hmm Orihime and Rukia have pretty much become ichigos best friends, they are too close together to become a couple. But i think Tatsuke would be the one for ichigo. ... wait did i get the right name? , (orihime's friend)

Lucia

2006-04-25, 16:13

Orohime. Rukia is too, well, dumb.

Who said Rukia is dumb? She's in the top of her class in kidou at the shinigami academy. I think the reason why she's at the bottom level at Ichigo's school is because the classes are probably way different from the one she was taught at the shinigami school. I doubt they teach future shinigami mathematics, science, and algorithms.

Bob from Walmart - Yeah, you got Orihime's best friend's name correct...it just the spelling is Tatsuki not Tatsuke, but they sound the same when your pronounced them so it doesn't really matter.

In any case, I'm a fan of Ichigo x Rukia..So, naturally, I pick them. I don't have anything against Orihime. I think her character is developed quite well by Kubo and I can relate to her feelings, but I just don't think she's a good match with Ichigo. I see their relationship as just very good friends, and nothing more than that. However, I can say the same thing too with Ichigo x Rukia. The way Kubo has done this manga so far, I can't really tell what sort of relationship does Ichigo & Rukia have...but whether it's platonic or more, I love the idea of both of them together. If Kubo decided not to pair anyone up at the end of the series, then that's fine with me too.

Varis

2006-04-25, 17:04

No one can solve Ichigo :p

Uruhara and Yourichi have a good grasp on him I think and that's why they can push him in the direction they want to.

YourichiGoddess

2006-04-26, 22:02

i think ishida and inoue should be together
ichigo and rukia forever!!!!!!!!!!!

TwilightHack

2006-04-28, 04:16

i think ichigo and inoue should be together
renji and rukia forever!!!!!!!!!!!

lol.

the debate has been debated sooo many times that i won't even go through the trouble... and no, i do not support inoue just because she looks "more girly."

npal

2006-04-28, 05:38

Does he even have to choose? Polygamy FTW :D

"Why can't we all just get along?" :p

-KarumA-

2006-04-28, 05:50

Renji - Rukia ftw!
Orihime - Ichigo

otherwise Renji will be lonely XD

Anko Plushy

2006-04-30, 21:31

call me a freak if you will but I have fallen for the Ichigo/Rukia/Renji fanpairing ^-^ REnji also deserves Rukias Lovin'

bloggerista_online

2006-05-01, 00:32

Well for me the person the really fits for Ichigo is ORIHIME.

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visit this site and see if who really fits for ichigo

Renji - Rukia ftw!
Orihime - Ichigo

otherwise Renji will be lonely XD

your answer is 100 percent true..very true

i think ichigo and inoue should be together
renji and rukia forever!!!!!!!!!!!

lol.

the debate has been debated sooo many times that i won't even go through the trouble... and no, i do not support inoue just because she looks "more girly."

you are very very correct...very...

i think ishida and inoue should be together
ichigo and rukia forever!!!!!!!!!!!

you are obviously wrong...very wrong...see it

they are ment for each other (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y123/hello_hi2004mu/BLOGGERISTA.jpg)

Deathkillz

2006-05-01, 16:01

hmm i think its more like the all grow old lonely :P

naw... just joking i think renji-rukia
ichigo-inoue

ichigo and rukia is just wrong in many ways...what they have atm isnt love but friendship and in ichigo's part commitment.

Oberon

2006-05-01, 17:18

This isn't supposed to be a Rukia bashing post, just a small anaysis. Now that I think about it, to me, Orihime comes across more as the type of character that could be the actual romantic lead in the story. Rukia and Ichigo and their interactions strike me more as a variation of the classic buddy duo like Gibbson & Glover from Lethal Weapon or Murphy & Nolte from 48 Hrs. You don't want Riggs and Murtaugh to get it on, now do you? ;) I can't put my finger on it, but somehow Ichigo's and Rukia's current chemistry and way of interacting seems to have crossed an invisible line where they can't simply go the romantic route without some great changes to their current relationship and/or characterizations. Even Tatsuki with all the lack of screentime seems more of a viable option as romantic interest/contender for Ichigo's affections than Rukia. If I had to describe the feelings Rukia has towards Ichigo (and vice versa) with a few key words, given her thoughts and actions towards him, then those would be "obligation", "friendship" and "gratefulness". At least from the top of my head, I can't really remember where the two of them thought of each other in a more romantic kind of way. If Kubo wants to pair those two up, I think he has to lay out more additional groundwork than he would need to establish Orihime or Tatsuki, to make it convincing. If either Ichigo or Rukia declared right now their love for the other, without a lot of additional or let's better say initial buildup or some kind of character redefining epiphany, my reactions would range from "Huh?" to "WTF?", at least based on my current image of them.

NoSanninWa

2006-05-01, 22:09

Oberon

2006-05-01, 23:13

Your analasis relies upon western archtypes and has little to do with anime.

By contrast, in anime, constant arguing is a sign of close friendship, or more. It is intended to mean that they don't have to put on their "public face" when they are together and can be comfortable being themselves. Many anime couples fight with each other.

Orihime is simply too formal with Ichigo and vice-versa to believe that she and Ichigo are going to end up a couple. And Tatsuki is firmly entrenched in her role as his buddy.

You're right, my introductory buddy duo comparison isn't really an established archetype in manga or anime and it's more or less in there, because I thought it was a funny comparison.

Nevertheless, I still don't see the romantic spark between Ichigo and Rukia at this point. Yes, they argue back and forth as destined to be couples in countless other anime and manga series have done before, but their particular relationship still feels more like adopted (or is it extended?) family and good friends. Yes, they are comfortable around each other and don't have to wear their public faces, but the starting point for that sort of behavior is still firmly in "let's be friends"-land. I just think that if Kubo wants to move them together he has to show better indicators than he has so far, so that its becomes somewhat apparrent that it's actually supposed to be in the more territory and not simply in the friendship/extended family territory. I have seen lots of bickering and familiar interaction between the two, I have yet to see some indication of actual romantic interest, be it when they're togerther with/without someone watching or seperate with only themselves being wittness to their thoughts and there was plenty of time to show something like that.

BTW I don't count Ichigo's desire to protect her during the previous soul society arc as an indication of romantic love, since protecting anyone dear to him is a basic character trait of his. I'm sure he'd done the exact same things if for some reason Chad had been sitting in that execution tower.

But maybe you're right, and I apply to much real life and/or western behavioural patterns to the whole situation and failed to recognize the usual indicators how everything will turn out in manga. After all, she's the first girl he met at the start of the story, they're constantly bickering and at least in the beginning she was the second main character. That alone might have been all it takes to make the final outcome plain as day.

Shinji103

2006-05-02, 00:39

voldy18

2006-05-02, 07:19

Seriously, Bleach is way too good to use the over-cliched "they argue all the time thus will have a romantic relationship" or however-you-want-to-word-it thing. If they use such a cliche angle like that, it'll kill. Just kill. >.>

Orhime being in love with Ichigo as a sign that they will end up together is also a cliché. Renji/Rukia or Ichigo/Tatsuki would also be a cliché: The friends-turned-lovers cliché.

In the end pretty much every combination would be in some way a cliché. :heh: Then again clichés are not bad per se, if you have an author who can pull them off.

partlink1

2006-05-07, 17:39

I say ichigo and rukia

and

inoue and that red headed girl from there school

am i the only one who feels that way

Rich

2006-05-07, 17:42

ichigo and hime

rukia and renji

me and soi fong =)

McMilk

2006-05-12, 20:06

Ichigo+Orihime

Well, in my point of view, Rukia is too short for Ichigo^^
Rukia should just...hmm...be with Byakuya; they're not even true brotherxsister relationship anyway.
Why not Renji? Cause I think Renji looks good with Kurotsuchi Nemu for some reason...

mutatedburger

2006-05-12, 23:03

Ichigo + Orihime: Cause one is so rough and always thinking about fighting...whereas the other is so innocent...as they say opposite attracts..

Angel_Feather

2006-05-13, 00:05

too short for ichigo? too rough for ichigo? too flat-chested for ichigo? does these things really matter in a relationship? you know, as long as you understand, trust, respect, & are comfortable in each other's presence, none of these superficial things matter in the end. ichigo doesn't seem to mind rukia's height, or her roughness, or her chest being flat (did he ever tease her about this particular aspect of herself?).

i can't believe some people base relationships on these sort of reasonings. you can't have a relationship in a one-sided level. it has to be mutual. the pairings of renji x rukia, ichigo x orihime have been one-sided since god knows for how long...and wow, guess what? it's still one-sided! :p

kumagoro_usagi

2006-05-13, 03:06

I think some people prefer to have at least a "one-sided" side of feeling rather than none at all, that way they may find it easier to see it happening rather than no indication at all.

And remember, Bleach has been spread out over a couple of months in which a good chunk of time was spent focussing on Ichigo traning and the soul society. Fufilling romantic sentiments where not in mind. Saying "feelings have gone on for so long" doesn't ring true due to the fact so many different plots where being developed thus characters weren't together (ex: Ichigo and Orihime) and some conclusions where not shown (ex: Renji resolution with Rukia for example at the end of SS) so it is simple enough to say that everything is pretty much out in the open.

voldy18

2006-05-13, 11:06

Rukia too short for Ichigo? Lol. Both Byakuya and Renji are even taller than him. Mmmm... I think the only one with the right height for Rukia then is... eh... Hanatarou. XD

I think some people prefer to have at least a "one-sided" side of feeling rather than none at all, that way they may find it easier to see it happening rather than no indication at all.

I can see where you are coming from, however it's not like (for example) Ichigo and Rukia are strangers. Rather they are very good friends who have a very well understanding of each other. And I'd rather have this as a basis for a romantic relationship than one-sided feelings from one person. Especially since these characters often tend to be more... uhm... "distant" (for lack of a better word) with each other. The relationship between Ichigo and Rukia really only lacks the physical/sexual aspect. Everything else like respect, trust, understanding, etc. is there. Ichigo/Orihime still lacks that, because their friendship is by far not as deep as Ichigo's and Rukia's is.

kumagoro_usagi

2006-05-13, 15:03

True Ichigo and Rukia do have a deep friendship (So it seemed for Ichigo and Tatsuki until they drifted and so did Renji and Rukia until they as well drifted...)but I disagree on you on the point Ichigo/Orihime lack respect, trust and understanding in each other (Chapter 225 for references) and also disagree on the bases that their friendship isn't strong (Ichigo's reaction when he failed to protect Orihime) however I think this debate mainly focuses on intepretation. So to say whether one-sided love with friendship or strong friendship suit a romance wouldn't really work becuase of different views (That's why I like RukiaxIchigoxOrihime :p). So I will probably stay on the fence until Kubo works things out.

voldy18

2006-05-14, 08:03

Okay, should have worded that differently. I do think that Ichigo and Orihime respect and trust each other, otherwise they would hardly be friends. Just not on the same level that Ichigo and Rukia do. The same with understanding each other. IMO, Rukia and Ichigo have a better grasp of each other. Then again, they are closer.

You see, my arguments are not really about being Ichigo/Orihime impossible, but rather about why I prefer Ichigo/Rukia. On the contrary, I think there is a good chance of IchiHime happening.... if KT would finally write a Ichigo who starts returning her feelings, because so far I see only an asexual (acting) Ichigo. (I suppose the same goes for IchiRuki... :heh: )

However, so far IchiHime is very... uhm... dry. Because their dynamic is about the same as it was 200 chapters ago. I mean, really. IshiHime has had more progress than IchiHime, if you ask me.

kumagoro_usagi

2006-05-14, 14:13

Because their dynamic is about the same as it was 200 chapters ago. I mean, really. IshiHime has had more progress than IchiHime, if you ask me.

Meh. Ichigo seems to understand Orihime more than he did 200 chapters ago (at least he understands her facial worries to some degree and sense when something is bothering her)and IshiHime (the only pairing I'm close to disliking in Bleach) hasn't really set up if you ask me....if it had there would have been a personal reaction in Orihime's part when Ishida went missing (Chapter 222 would have been a good instance) and they'd communicate in a different way rather than the way Orihime does with the rest of her friends seeing they spent a lot of time together in Soul society but they're the same with better understanding. Then again it's intepretation.

gogogoh

2006-05-15, 20:25

It's got to be Rukia and Ichigo because it's just goes better, period.

cursed_sword

2006-05-16, 15:16

I think a trio would be fine =)

npal

2006-05-16, 16:19

Or Orihime could go with Rukia and Ichigo with Renji (they can communicate :p)

The best of course is OrihimexMexRukia :p

powerguns

2006-05-17, 00:11

if rukia willing to forgo her shinigami status, then I want ichigo and her together. But if she chooses shinigami world, then ichigo will hv to choose another woman.

ShuiMei

2006-05-19, 14:26

Inoue understands Ichigo more. She knows when to let go of Ichigo and when to worry and go after Ichigo. And most of the time she accomodates to his needs.

Not like Rukia who seems to be clingy and bossy over him. Goes after him when he needs to do it alone.

Ichigo isn't the one who needs people to make decision for him entirely without consulting him.

That is why I prefer IchigoOrihime more than IchigoRukia. Rukia indeed is stiffling / suffocating him.
When has Rukia ever been clingy with Ichigo? She stayed behind in Soul Society after the whole Aizen fiasco. Hell, before all of that, she left the living world to return to Soul Society on her own, that is until Renji and Byakuya came to take her away themselves. I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just wondering where this notion of Rukia being clingy comes from :/

Personally, I don't see how Rukia can be viewed as someone who is stifiling/suffocating Ichigo's character. It's always been my understanding that they are primary supporting characters in each other's lives, and to make reference back to very lovely and ever-insighful chapter 196:
When Ichigo builds his wall around himself and Rukia returns she immediately notices that he has "lost his will to be a shinigami," by result of the previous events involving Chado and Orihime. So what does Rukia say? "Are so you weak as to let minor things like that affect your heart?!" These are not the words of someone who is stifling someone, these are the words of someone who has the utmost faith in another and wants that someone to grow and let go.

She then goes on to tell him what he "just" needs to do; she's not telling him to back off, to take a break, she's not telling him to go in a little corner and sulk about his shortcomings, his failures. No, she tells him that he just needs to train harder if he's worried about defeat, that if he's worried about his hollow, he just needs to become strong enough to shatter it within an instant, that if he can't rely on anyone else he just needs to "pull himself together and roar." She's not telling him to depend on her, she's telling him to believe in himself because she believes in him, that Ichigo that "lives on in her heart."
Rukia doesn't hold back on her words to Ichigo. Her words may come off as rude, sometimes even a little condescending, but there are underlying messages within Rukia's harshness towards Ichigo, a method to her madness, and that is that she trusts and believes in him, and he understand that as well. No, Rukia doesn't hold back on her words, and in return, she doesn't expect Ichigo to hold back on anything either. She's not pulling him back, she's helping him push himself forward.

Rukia may be bossy, or "noisy," as Ichigo would tell her, but it works, that's their relationship dynamic. They argue, they kick, they punch, they scream, they move on and tomorrow's another day. It's how they function. No, not everyone could handle or tolerate Rukia's upfront, confrontational and demanding personality, that's one of the primary reasons why some people dislike her character. However, that sort of straightforward honesty, coupled with her total faith and understanding of Ichigo's character is what exactly makes her unexpendable in Ichigo's life.

I'm not speaking romantically here, I'm speaking in purely platonic terms. It just rubs me the wrong way when people who disagree with the romantic notion of Ichigo and Rukia's relationship disregard the importance Rukia has on Ichigo's life in nonromantic terms. I'll agree with the non-IchiRuki supporters that they aren't in love with each other, but I'll vehemently argue against the undermining of Rukia's role and impact on Ichigo's life and character.

innocent_baby-angel

2006-05-20, 07:17

oh....
i realli wanted ichigo and rukia to be together in the end because they will be realli cute together but i doubt that any1 wuld end up as a couple. Bleach has neva been about love and romance, its about fighting and action and carring for each other as a fren but nuffin more
but i do realli want sum1 end up being together, it does get boring watching ppl fighting all the time.

hitokirigirl

2006-05-21, 11:48

When has Rukia ever been clingy with Ichigo? She stayed behind in Soul Society after the whole Aizen fiasco. Hell, before all of that, she left the living world to return to Soul Society on her own, that is until Renji and Byakuya came to take her away themselves. I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just wondering where this notion of Rukia being clingy comes from :/

Personally, I don't see how Rukia can be viewed as someone who is stifiling/suffocating Ichigo's character. It's always been my understanding that they are primary supporting characters in each other's lives, and to make reference back to very lovely and ever-insighful chapter 196:
When Ichigo builds his wall around himself and Rukia returns she immediately notices that he has "lost his will to be a shinigami," by result of the previous events involving Chado and Orihime. So what does Rukia say? "Are so you weak as to let minor things like that affect your heart?!" These are not the words of someone who is stifling someone, these are the words of someone who has the utmost faith in another and wants that someone to grow and let go.

She then goes on to tell him what he "just" needs to do; she's not telling him to back off, to take a break, she's not telling him to go in a little corner and sulk about his shortcomings, his failures. No, she tells him that he just needs to train harder if he's worried about defeat, that if he's worried about his hollow, he just needs to become strong enough to shatter it within an instant, that if he can't rely on anyone else he just needs to "pull himself together and roar." She's not telling him to depend on her, she's telling him to believe in himself because she believes in him, that Ichigo that "lives on in her heart."
Rukia doesn't hold back on her words to Ichigo. Her words may come off as rude, sometimes even a little condescending, but there are underlying messages within Rukia's harshness towards Ichigo, a method to her madness, and that is that she trusts and believes in him, and he understand that as well. No, Rukia doesn't hold back on her words, and in return, she doesn't expect Ichigo to hold back on anything either. She's not pulling him back, she's helping him push himself forward.

Rukia may be bossy, or "noisy," as Ichigo would tell her, but it works, that's their relationship dynamic. They argue, they kick, they punch, they scream, they move on and tomorrow's another day. It's how they function. No, not everyone could handle or tolerate Rukia's upfront, confrontational and demanding personality, that's one of the primary reasons why some people dislike her character. However, that sort of straightforward honesty, coupled with her total faith and understanding of Ichigo's character is what exactly makes her unexpendable in Ichigo's life.

I'm not speaking romantically here, I'm speaking in purely platonic terms. It just rubs me the wrong way when people who disagree with the romantic notion of Ichigo and Rukia's relationship disregard the importance Rukia has on Ichigo's life in nonromantic terms. I'll agree with the non-IchiRuki supporters that they aren't in love with each other, but I'll vehemently argue against the undermining of Rukia's role and impact on Ichigo's life and character.

agree.
And that's precisely Rukia's toughness to Ichigo that makes him attract to her. He won't fall for a cute and sweetie chick...Besides Renji is about to become Ichigo's best friend, mainly because of their hecktic relationship.
Remember when Rukia said she won't come back after SS arc : Ichigo was deeply sad, but then cheered up when she told him she would definitely return to earth.

ShuiMei

2006-05-31, 23:29

Personally I don't think Rukia's toughness attracts Ichigo to her, it's their chemistry and how they function as a unit, constantly supporting one another, that makes their relationship special.

I guess it's because I still have difficultly picturing Ichigo as a hormonal teenager who has physical attraction towards females, I know he has hormones, I'm pretty sure he likes girls, but I can't gather what his taste is :/

kimimaro_ninja

2006-06-07, 22:40

well i think its orihime and ichigo.....OR no gf at all......cause ichigo just thinks of rukia as a sister.....like siblings you know????

hitokirigirl

2006-06-09, 14:30

well i think its orihime and ichigo.....OR no gf at all......cause ichigo just thinks of rukia as a sister.....like siblings you know????

Well he already did have sisters.... Ichigo hasn't the same relationship with rukia.

Rukia is somehow connected to Ichigo's psychologic chock when his mother died.
I mean she managed to make him accept his sad past and move on.
It has has been explained, or at least suggested, when Ichigo fought his mother's Hollow (though I don't know how to explain it...)

QueenoftheChocobos

2006-06-11, 21:47

I personally think that ichigo and rukia are most definitley going to end up together. maybe i am just bias, though, just because i love them so much. there was kind of a rukia/renji thing going on there for a while, though. and also there's the fact that she is like a hundred years older than him, but who cares? it doesn't matter. but ichi is definitely not going to end up with orihime. i do not like her very much. she is irritating and stupid. she probably loves him, but ichi is totally not into her. it is actually kind of sad.

Paiser

2006-06-11, 22:12

in my opinion no one will fall for any one...
RenjiXChad
IchigoXIshida
Ichigo's dadxUruahara

QueenoftheChocobos

2006-06-11, 22:33

okay, I have thought it through and decided that ichi/ruki makes sense, because they have both had such a huge impact on each other's lives, so they already stand out quite a bit in each other's minds. They both have very noble and caring and strong characters, and they are both 'heroes'; they both save each other at one point or another by a completely selfless act. They are both very headstrong, and when they are together they usually argue. Both are always trying to do what is best for the other at a high cost to them. They have a deep understanding and trust of one another that makes their relationship special. Rukia felt more comfortable around ichigo and acted more like herself around him then she ever had before, even with Renji. Ichigo trusted rukia more than anyone else, and he confided in her about things he never told anyone else. Like when he told her about his mom and he said, "Aren't you going to ask me about it?" and she said, "It is your problem, and it is a deep, deep problem. How could I ask you about that? There is no way for me to tread into your heart like that without tracking mud. So I will wait. Tell me when you are ready."
That was an excellent example of their understanding. they know without words what each other is thinking and feeling, and rukia, for one, always knows just what to say.
even though she told him not to come after her, she knew he would, and he knew she knew. it was a futile yet noble effort to protect him. so what i am saying is that their relationship goes really deep, and that they are in love but not like a normal couple-they don't do the whole cuddles* thing. they have a mutual respect for each other and a deep devotion that doesn't need words or even actions to be expressed. i'm sure their relationship will surface soon, because it doesn't need to 'blossom'- it has been doing that all along. i think it is so hard for people to believe their relationship because it is so painfully obvious. if they were that openly in love, then their love could only be friendship, or else they would have acknowledged it by now right? not necessarily. the love was mutual, and they don't need to express it to know it is there. also, it is probably uncomfortable for socially awkward ichigo, who would be embarrassed about his feelings for her, adn think that she doesn'lt feel that way about him. it is probably similar for rukia- with her whole political and social standing in soul society, and ichigo is just this little human boy. she is probably embarrassed too. i don't think she is quite as bothered as ichigo. i think he doesn't know what to think. as for orihime, she really is okay, and she understands about ichigo and rukia and she accepts it, even though she seems kind of sad about it. honestly, uryu and orihime would make a lot better of a couple, if a rather strange match. as for renji........ well, i really love renji and feel really bad for him, because i really think he is in love with her, however much i want to believe it is a brother/sister love, and i really do. too bad for him. he really isn't relationship material, though. he is much more the big-brother type.

Chiibi

2006-06-11, 22:47

Wow.......you couldn't have said all the points and strengths of the couple any better than that. :)

shaselai

2006-06-13, 15:29

Bronwen Stx

2006-06-13, 20:30

i want Renji Rukia and Ichigo X orihime. Renji and Rukia had been childhood friends and the flashbacks show them happy together till she got adopted. Now they are kinda getting back and Renji showing his feelings more. Orihime's scene when she was with Matsumoto(?) shows that she wants to be stronger and closer to Ichigo. And when Rukia stayed behind in soul society Ichigo didnt like have a breakdown or anything- suprised yes but understood why she made her choice and if he really liked her he wouldve said something then- because as far as he's concerned he probably wont see her much at all.

A person who respects and cherishes the person they love doesn't need to say anything to her because he respects her decision to stay. And Ichigo did just that. I think he clearly understood the matter of Rukia's choices. She needed to stay - what would she have gain by running away with him when she could work on her problems that couldn't be worked out properly until now (aka Byakuya)? Rukia has a big problem, a problem she can't get rid of. Prior to SS-arc, despite her bossy attitude, it's clear that she had a low self-esteem, unwilling to think that she's worthy to be rescued...things like that and unfortunately its all because she thought she was extremely useless and worthless (unable to save Kaien and the feeling of inferiority under Byakuya). But because of Ichigo rescuing her, it created a series of events that helped her gain some insight into things and letting her heal. Ignoring the problems she has will only make it worse obviously so she needed to stay.

I don't think I explained it properly but eh. Tired. XP

It doesn't matter if they see each other or not and the pairing I'm thinking about here is Van/Hitomi from Tenkuu no Escaflowne. Van/Hitomi are seriously worlds apart but is that stopping them from loving each other? Noo...not to say that Ichi and Rukia love each other but the potential is there and they already have big respect for each other.

Again, they are each other's world changer. Their relationship doesn't have to be defined in a romantic sense but I highly doubt that their relationship can be completely platonic too.

physics223

2006-06-15, 03:09

I am all for Ichigo and Rukia. That's all for now. :)

scorpio516

2006-06-15, 18:48

After 84/85, I suggest Rukia x Orihime :D

Thewanderer

2006-06-15, 19:01

After 84/85, I suggest Rukia x Orihime :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Deadbrain80/Smilies/gSetSt.gif

s2Lizz

2006-06-16, 06:37

^__^ Rukia N Ichigo, ther cute together and i mean the guy practically nearly killed himself to save her!! [ahh so kawaii] ::
Check out this AMV i found on you tube bout RukiiNichii

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz8P-3c9eiQ

Kaoro_Tsumi

2006-07-03, 16:17

Hello. I just registerd to say this :p Because I love Ichi-Ruki

Two little things I haven't seen explicitly said ( though I haven't read all the answers to this post yet -_- ). So I apologise if someone said this before.

Here :

1) Ichigo cares for Orihime. Yes, he does. There's no denying it. He does, but like a sister ( this has been told, already) - sort of. More, because Ichigo has this strange, straaaaange thing about 'protecting girls'. This is why I like Ichigo Rukia. She WON T let him be the knight in shining armour, even if he saves her. She'll hit him until he understands a girl is perfeclty able to protect herself.
Orihime doesn't tell him this of course. Because, for now, she hasn't been able to fight for herself, to protect herself, because, yes, she's too kind, and boringly kind.
So far.
Ichigo and Rukia are equals ( already said, yes, but this is so truth. Do not firget this ! ). With her, he can ( *cough*he should*cough* ) stop trying to save the world, he can rest, because she is able to take care of herself, so he can stop worrying all over the place, and start to think of himself, finally ( selflessness is so cuuuuuuuuuuuuute, isn't it ? :rolleyes: but I'm being a little sarcastic. Love yourself before you love the others. If you don't do this, it can be a hurtful relatioship). He can find a sort of peace around her. Of course, they bicker, but it allow them to relax in their childlish actions ( please, remember Rukia IS ooooooold... why do you think she acts like a bitch ? cuz' it's fun to do ;) ! )

2) Thanks to Flavia Posy for the 'spoiler' thing ^_^ This part is about death, and the relations between shinigami and humans.
So there. In the latest chapters of the manga ( the latest chapters I could find, at least -_-' ), we learn Isshin is a Shinigami.
...
Yes, Isshin. Ichigo's father, remember ? But what the hell ? Doesn't he live in the human world ? And he was maried ( to what seems to be ) a human. And he has kids !
So, yes, it IS possible for shinigamis to live with humans, and this thing about Ichigo and Rukia being from two different, separate worlds, doesn't work anymore.
More, I think if Rukia lived in the human world, in her gigai, with Ichigo, they relatioship could be better than Masaki and Isshin's one ( though we don't really know much about it, even if we do know Isshin loved her... Geeze, the woman only complimented him once o.O !). Because Rukia would know Ichigo is a shinigami, and being one too, there would be more than knowledge : there would be understanding.

It's not even about Rukia becoming human; it's about them living together, without dramas, because I don't think their relationship would be a tragedy. They bicker, but they don't fight. They bicker like an old couple, not like a self-destructive couple. It's not the same thing.

... I still feel like I forgot a lot of things, but for now I can't remember -_-

rukia82

2006-07-03, 16:58

I agree with you...orihime is like a sister 4 ichigo :)

The spoiler thing is [ SPOILER] [ /SPOILER] without the space after the [

Kaoro_Tsumi

2006-07-04, 06:12

Thanks Flavia_Posy ^_^ :)

But anyway, people, you know, most of what we're saying is fanon. Okay, it is based on canon, but hey, if Tite Kubo suddenly wants to destroy Bleach world(s), or make it swallowed by Huecco Mundo, well, he'll do it.
And geeze... There would be no pairing either ;)

Oh, and about Rukia being a pre-teen angstying in the SS arc, ready to be rescued.
Oh, pu-lease. Rukia, a damsel in distress ? NO ! I think this arc's goal was, partly, to show Ichigo's growing power, and for the male readers to feel powerful with Ichigo, and in the maaaaaaaaale pride think : "Yessssssss, we can do it ! Women need uuuuuuus ! ( which is true... partly ;) ). WE RE GOING TO SAVE THE WORLD !"
...
It's all about testosterone, ya know :D

...
I apologise, maybe I'm being too sarcastic... XD

Skyfall

2006-07-04, 06:48

I think if there ever is going to be any pairing in this show Ichi x Ruki is definitely going to be there - the whole first arc is based on their relationship :P

But one thing keeps bugging me - about Rukias age - she's suposed to be quite old right ? well, then how come when Byakya tells his story about what happened 15 years ago, and we see Rukias sister carrying Rukia who is still an infant ? Judging from that flashback shes more like 16 years old now :rolleyes:

rukia82

2006-07-04, 07:17

Byakuya says "more than 50 years ago" :P ...I am not sure though

Skyfall

2006-07-04, 07:23

Byakuya says "more than 50 years ago" :P ...I am not sure though

I dont know jack about japaneese so i wouldnt know :) my subs said 15 so blame them if its wrong :) but if its right ... hm :)

Ddadain

2006-07-04, 08:56

I definitely won't want Ichigo to go for Rukia. WHY? Because their ages are really different.

Besides that, BLEACH doesn't seem to have any "romance" in it. Only fanservice and moe (>o_O)>

hanxthre

2006-07-04, 18:01

Besides that, BLEACH doesn't seem to have any "romance" in it. Only fanservice and moe (>o_O)>

Unfortunatley it's the Loli or Moe factor that makes Ichi-Rukia such a taboo (therefore coveted) pairing...Big burly Ichi getting down with little petite Rukia making her submit, then you add the fact that Rukia is more of a tomboy which is kinda sexy when you think of the premise of her acting like a shy girl if Ichi ever came on to her (Then you put her in cute little sandels and feminine outfits that are nothing like her personality which ups the taboo factor)...I'm just saying what 90% of the people who want this pairing are thinking...That's why you all like this couple so much...Sorry you know it's true :p...

Bronwen Stx

2006-07-04, 19:58

Unfortunatley it's the Loli or Moe factor that makes Ichi-Rukia such a taboo (therefore coveted) pairing...Big burly Ichi getting down with little petite Rukia making her submit, then you add the fact that Rukia is more of a tomboy which is kinda sexy when you think of the premise of her acting like a shy girl if Ichi ever came on to her (Then you put her in cute little sandels and feminine outfits that are nothing like her personality which ups the taboo factor)...I'm just saying what 90% of the people who want this pairing are thinking...That's why you all like this couple so much...Sorry you know it's true :p...

I guess I'm part of the 10% population because I don't believe that . Frankly, I can't see Rukia loli ---> then it's probably me (and only me), Rukia is just short but other than that...loli? No, not really.

And also, the age difference I find a weird reason because - ahem - Rukia is dead. If we have to be concerned about something it really should be necrophilia but well Ichigo's half dead too neh? Umm yes, I really don't see the loli factor in this pairing. She's just short, I've seen enough short people who's older than me but that doesn't say loli when they're paired up with big burly people. I still don't see how the age difference could make anyone go eughh, being dead is simply a whole different perspective in comparison to living. ~_~

Ori

2006-07-04, 22:53

No no, Rukia/Ichigo is no loli pairing. First of all, Rukia doesn't wear cute little gothic dresses, second of all, Rukia is actually older than Ichigo.

Not that age matters at all here, since they are shinigami and thus are pretty much ageless....

Well I just want to say I love Rukia/Ichigo pairing. My love for this pairing goes beyond logic, I think. Not that there are no proves for this pairing, but it's just that every time I see those two together in opening/ending/show time I start squealing.

Skyfall

2006-07-05, 04:34

Rukia x Ichigo = loli ? Sorry, no way. unless you insist on fact that all shorter people can be called loli thats simply not true. Age difference doesnt matter since they both are dead. And about Rukia being shorter - does it matter ? Its a pretty commo sight that the guy is taller imo

Kaoro_Tsumi

2006-07-05, 06:22

Unfortunatley it's the Loli or Moe factor that makes Ichi-Rukia such a taboo (therefore coveted) pairing...Big burly Ichi getting down with little petite Rukia making her submit, then you add the fact that Rukia is more of a tomboy which is kinda sexy when you think of the premise of her acting like a shy girl if Ichi ever came on to her (Then you put her in cute little sandels and feminine outfits that are nothing like her personality which ups the taboo factor)...I'm just saying what 90% of the people who want this pairing are thinking...That's why you all like this couple so much...Sorry you know it's true :p...

This loli thing doesn't make sense. As a proof, a lot of people on the forum, Ichi Ruki's fans, are saying this is bullshit.
As for me, Rukia isn't, but really isn't the kind of girl to be Loli. Why ? Because it's Rukia ( what an argument XD ) ! I mean, do Loli kick ass ? Loli are only there to make cute. I'm sorry, but Rukia's character is important for the series, and she has a really detailed personality.
So yes, Rukia is the sweety kind - by face. This is exactly what's interesting : the contrast between look and reality...

And Rukia is more than 150, because she told Ichigo in the first volume she was more than 10 times his age.
And yes, it's something I had been wondering earlier, because it IS a little disturbing situation, but in the end, I think Rukia being older or not than Ichigo doesn't matter, since she acts like a teen.

npal

2006-07-05, 06:35

I've seen lolis kick ass :p

Kaoro_Tsumi

2006-07-05, 06:49

I never. Where did you see this ! I want to see it too T_T ! lol ^_^
( but do loly have this PMS character, like Rukia ? - I'm going to be bashed, but it IS true ! One time she's smiling, the other she's angry, and suddenly she's smiling again, then she starts agnstying... Don't get me wrong, I love Rukia ^_^ ! )

Thewanderer

2006-07-05, 06:55

Kaoro_Tsumi

2006-07-05, 07:10

Yeah, females tend to have PMS.

And "loli" describes prepubescent girls, I belive. Rukia's definitely past that.

Though we aren't really sure Rukia HAVE real PMS. I mean, she has a gigai, no ?
*thinks of Ichigo running all over the place discreetly trying to find tampons for a shocked Rukia hidden in the closet*
Okaaaaaaaay. This was a disturbing thought XD

About, loli... I'm going to look on the net. ( the post was about Ichi Ruki, now it's about Rukia being or not a Loli :D )
EDIT : Okay, are we talking about loli= lolita, or about Goth loli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_Lolita)? If it's the first one, Thewanderer is right, Rukia is way too old to be one.
If it's the second one, er... I think Rukia hides her frily dresses very well ;)

hanxthre

2006-07-05, 08:25

Yeah, females tend to have PMS.

And "loli" describes prepubescent girls, I belive. Rukia's definitely past that.
Well women usually stop PMSing in their late 40's early 50's...It's called menopause...So if Rukia is 150 she's as dry as a Peanut Butter sandwich, unless shinigami chicks can reboot somehow :eyebrow: ....

As for the rest, you people are insane if you think Rukia's character doesn't have a loli-factor to it...Not that it is total loli just a small factor to it in-terms of her physical appearence where she is the most underdeveloped boy-chested character in the show (Besidesa Uruu and Soi Fong who is BLEACH's version of Ellen Degeneres)...If you really wanna be a dick about it Ichigo is the loli if she ever seduces him since she's 150 and he's 16 :heh:...Basically it's her underdeveloped appearence that breeds this factor which isn't lolicon (which I was never saying as some people tend to go 2000% overboard just cause they hear the word loli)...Her character indeed has a factor to it that is relevent..Add her tomboyish nature which clashes with her new girly-girl look for taboo factor and Ichigo going super saiyain everytime his loli in trouble and I think my argument is quite valid...I mean not every loli is Rozen Maiden...A factor of loli, lolita can be the physical appearence of the girl too where she looks like a prepubesent chick in some ways...but i digress since I know I'm not in another galaxy with this...

The Small One

2006-07-05, 17:28

And "loli" describes prepubescent girls, I belive. Rukia's definitely past that.

Mst likely not.
Rukia was a baby when she died, therefore she never hit puberty... her Soul-"body" may age, but they most likely don't have something like this there.

However, somehow it's strange to think about this issue.

Thewanderer

2006-07-05, 17:54

Zek

2006-07-05, 19:51

Ichigo and Rukia just wouldn't work out, at least until Ichigo dies. I think this was established when she made it clear that she wanted to live in Soul Society, and Ichigo feels the same way about the real world. Besides, Renji has dibs.

Ichigo and Inoue is possible, if not for the fact that this is a shounen manga and romance probably won't ever get any real focus in the series.

Bronwen Stx

2006-07-05, 21:50

Mst likely not.
Rukia was a baby when she died, therefore she never hit puberty... her Soul-"body" may age, but they most likely don't have something like this there.

However, somehow it's strange to think about this issue.

Exactly. >.> I don't see the point of mulling over the age differences or whater because seriously, they're dead. Discounting the fact that Ichigo is half alive and half dead and considering his background...is he really really normal alive?

That's why age differences doesn't matter to me.

As for the rest, you people are insane if you think Rukia's character doesn't have a loli-factor to it...Not that it is total loli just a small factor to it in-terms of her physical appearence where she is the most underdeveloped boy-chested character in the show

>.> I'm insane and I still don't get the loli factor in Rukia just because she's underdeveloped in the chest area. Still don't. And Ichigo, loli? :D *cracks up* When he dyes his hair black and stunts in growth while other's grow way tall. Maybe. Just maybe.

hanxthre

2006-07-05, 22:46

Well since so many people take the word "loli" and go to the extremest extreme of the word by that extreme definition Ichi is a loli if Rukia were to seduce him since he's under 18 and she's 150 (Japanese age limit ignored Ok smartypantses)...

>.> I'm insane and I still don't get the loli factor in Rukia just because she's underdeveloped in the chest area. Still don't.

I'm putting all my poker-chips on the table an betting you are a girl...I just don't think it's possible for you to see what a guy sees on this (perhaps I'm wrong tho')...I have 2 college roomates and one plays football (He's a d-lineman and is huge), when he brings girls to the crib that look like they are barely 18 and stick-figures we always tease him and call him a "Kid-crusher" XD...Eventhough they are the same age or in their 20's the appeal for him is that they look younger than that I guess (which is his deal XD)...In an anime sense this perception takes place more times than I can count...

Loli's in anime are GENERALLY (so please don't bombard me with textbook definitions of the word lolita) considered female characters who look very young (even if they are not), have underdeveloped bodies and who show a stark contrast in body-type to their male interest characters...Also there is a certain pattern of this in anime where these pretty muscular violent type of guys are the counterparts for these loli-ish girls (Van in GunXSword, Saiga in Speed Grapher for 2 quick examples and there are hundreds more in anime)...When it comes to people talking about the coupling of these 2 I think it's clear that this is a factor in somes minds (not all, but some)...Honestly I see nothing wrong with it since we are talking about ink-based people, but I clearly think there is a taboo-factor that makes alot of people like that pairing...

I implore some of the guys who are posting to stop being wimps and admit at the very least they understand what I am saying here (You don't have to agree mind you)...

Bronwen Stx

2006-07-05, 23:26

Well since so many people take the word "loli" and go to the extremest extreme of the word by that extreme definition Ichi is a loli if Rukia were to seduce him since he's under 18 and she's 150 (Japanese age limit ignored Ok smartypantses)...

I'm putting all my poker-chips on the table an betting you are a girl...I just don't think it's possible for you to see what a guy sees on this (perhaps I'm wrong tho')...I have 2 college roomates and one plays football (He's a d-lineman and is huge), when he brings girls to the crib that look like they are barely 18 and stick-figures we always tease him and call him a "Kid-crusher" XD...Eventhough they are the same age or in their 20's the appeal for him is that they look younger than that I guess (which is his deal XD)...In an anime sense this perception takes place more times than I can count...

Loli's in anime are GENERALLY (so please don't bombard me with textbook definitions of the word lolita) considered female characters who look very young (even if they are not), have underdeveloped bodies and who show a stark contrast in body-type to their male interest characters...Also there is a certain pattern of this in anime where these pretty muscular violent type of guys are the counterparts for these loli-ish girls (Van in GunXSword, Saiga in Speed Grapher for 2 quick examples and there are hundreds more in anime)...When it comes to people talking about the coupling of these 2 I think it's clear that this is a factor in somes minds (not all, but some)...Honestly I see nothing wrong with it since we are talking about ink-based people, but I clearly think there is a taboo-factor that makes alot of people like that pairing...

I implore some of the guys who are posting to stop being wimps and admit at the very least they understand what I am saying here (You don't have to agree mind you)...

Yeah I am a girl. It's not that I can't comprehend the idea because I do sort of understand where you're going with this. But I guess since because I am a girl, it's typically hard for me to place girls into categories based on how they look because impressions based on look sounds a little shallow to me >.> no offence to anybody who take this to their soul or anything. Still, :D I'm having a hard time putting Rukia and loli in the same equation without cracking up at how silly the utterly sounds.

There's definitely nothing wrong with the idea that Rukia is a loli either. I just can't see it. :p

I do think the taboo-factor in the IchiRuki pairing is probably the fact that one was dead and the other was alive. They live in two different dimensions (if we're going for practicality) so taboo? Maybe?

I dunno >.> I find that if two people like each other so much they're going to find some way to work it out no matter how far away they are.

Petbe

2006-07-05, 23:53

I don;t want Ichigo with Rukia because of one reason... she annoys the hell out of me. The SS arc made me hate her. Always "Leave me alone", "dont save me" crap just bugged the hell out of me.

But she did look nice when she was in her shinigami outfit.

Thewanderer

2006-07-06, 00:12

Yeah I am a girl. It's not that I can't comprehend the idea because I do sort of understand where you're going with this. But I guess since because I am a girl, it's typically hard for me to place girls into categories based on how they look because impressions based on look sounds a little shallow to me >.> no offence to anybody who take this to their soul or anything. Still, :D I'm having a hard time putting Rukia and loli in the same equation without cracking up at how silly the utterly sounds.

There's definitely nothing wrong with the idea that Rukia is a loli either. I just can't see it. :p
It's a guy thing. Keep in mind that just because guys talk about girls' body types don't mean that's all they're interested in.

Ddadain

2006-07-06, 01:00

Thewanderer

2006-07-06, 02:08

Nooo!

Ichigo x Rukia = DEATH!!!

I mean, Rukia is several hundred years old. Besides that, she is not HUMAN! And the fact that she is SOOOOOOOOOO SMALLLLLLL and Ichigo being 15 years old >_> Ermm... You see! It's wrong to think so!
It was emphisized to death that there isn't anything wrong with it though. Size don't matter. And Ichigo... he'll get older:p

But like Zek stated, Renji has dibs. If that weren't the case, I'd fully support Ichigo+Rukia:D

ShuiMei

2006-07-06, 02:22

Just wanted to touch up on a few things:

On the subject of Rukia being dead, Ichigo is also technically dead, his chain of fate was severed, and once that chain is broken, that person is dead. Ichigo's soul is that of a shinigami, the fact that Rukia is dead and a shinigami shouldn't be used as a factor to discard the possibilities of a relationship between the two, it's a nonissue.

I was discussing this over at the Bleach forums at NarutoFan, from my understanding he's not "dead" when he's in his physical body, but his chain of fate was cut off and his soul became that of a shinigami, so he's not really "alive" either.

To refresh my memory, according to the Bleach wikipedia article, when a physical body dies, their soul seperates from the body, and is attached to the body through the chain. When the chain is severed that person dies and either becomes a plus or a hollow depending on whether or not they receive a soul burial in time. So with that, when Ichigo's physical body dies, with his chain already severed, and his soul already in the state of a shinigami, not a plus or a hollow, he's already considered to be dead, no? The thing that appears to determine whether the soul is dead or alive is the chain of fate, and if Ichigo's chain is already broken, then technically, he's already dead (?) Not quite dead, not quite alive.

On the subject of Rukia, Ichigo and the lolicon factor, I think it's absurd. Mentally, Rukia is mature years beyond Ichigo and physically, while underdeveloped and small compared to women like Orihime, Tatsuki, and Matsumoto, Rukia's body is nothing to get up and arms about.

While to some westerners Rukia may seem to have the body of a child, to Asians there's nothing out of the ordinary about her size or structure. East-Asian women on average are very petite and aren't as endowed as say, their western counterparts. Look around Japan and try to find a woman who is half as phyiscally developed as Orihime or Matsumoto, I've said this before, but the reality is that Rukia's small frame and lack of height is much closer to the reality of East-Asian women. It's not abnormal for Asian women to be lacking in height or breast-development, and it's really not abnormal for this to continue on to adulthood.

Anyone who considers a potential romantic relationship between to two to be lolicon aren't taking into consideration their characters or their dynamic, they're just looking at Rukia physically without taking into account of her mentally, she's just a tool in such a scenario. Certainly, she is small but she's not a child, she's not innocent and naive, and she's certainly not submissive.

People need to get over her size, it's not like she'd ever let Ichigo dominate her without putting up one hell of a fight anyway, has she ever?

Petbe

2006-07-06, 02:40

hanxthre

2006-07-06, 03:57

Anyone who considers a potential romantic relationship between to two to be lolicon aren't taking into consideration their characters or their dynamic, they're just looking at Rukia physically without taking into account of her mentally, she's just a tool in such a scenario. Certainly, she is small but she's not a child, she's not innocent and naive, and she's certainly not submissive.

People need to get over her size, it's not like she'd ever let Ichigo dominate her without putting up one hell of a fight anyway, has she ever?
God could you miss the point anymore? I'll stop here like I said earlier it's silly if everyone is gonna take the 200% most extreme veiw of the word...Something having a loli-ish dynamic doesn't equal lolicon which is little bitty girls 110% obviously drawn for that purpose...

I could examine your japanese women being underdeveloped point but it's kinda fruitless since it's pretty irrelevent to the dynamic discussed....Sure I understand that point, but generally the character can fall under my previous examinations...

loli-ish factor---------------------------------------------------pure 100% lolicon
..........................................[distance between the 2]

It ain't the same...Forget Rukia for a second...this is a common practice in anime to draw characters in such a fashion and contrast to their male counterparts...No Rukia isn't a lolicon character duh, she just exibits some of those taboo factors in a coupling sense...but whatever i don't wanna be the poster boy for defending this anymore XD.....

ShuiMei

2006-07-06, 04:08

Umm when he rescued her she became.. pretty much someone with an opinion not to be considered.

As for her body.. well I could care less. I mean explaining if he is alive or dead is like explainign if he is a shinigami or hollow. For this matter there is a inbetween.

Ichigo is all about saving and protecting his friends but Rukio is too stubborn and self sacrificial. Too quick to accept fate and situation. I don't know... seems like Ichigo took interest when she was captured but now it is different.

P.S... still do not like her.. she is annoying!!

With an opinion not to be considered? Seriously? To Ichigo, Rukia is one of the very most influential people in his life, a primary factor and player in his development as a shinigami and as a person. Rukia's words hold an incredibly heavy influence on Ichigo, her opinion didn't matter when it came to her being rescued because no matter what she said he was going to save her, that doesn't illustrate any lack of importance on her half, it anything it signifies how important she is to him. Orihime summed it up fairly nicely when she said that Rukia was the one who changed Ichigo's life, and Ichigo said it himself when fighting for Byakuya that he was going to defeat him with the power he gained for her sake.

Ichigo is about saving and protecting his friends, but he also isolates himself at the same time, he's not any less stubborn or self-sacraficial than Rukia is, this is why Rukia is so crutial in Ichigo's life, she's not willing to let him fight for her, but she's willing to let him fight with her. Ichigo is prone to putting burdens on himself and himself alone, blaming himself for his mother's death, blaming himself for Rukia's crimes, blaming himself for not being strong enough to protect people he cares about, she doesn't want him to carry that burden alone. She doesn't want him fighting for his friends by himself, she wants him fighting for them together, and in this sense, they are again, equals.

You don't have to like Rukia, but to disregard her place and influence in Ichigo's life seems foolish :/

God could you miss the point anymore? I'll stop here like I said earlier it's silly if everyone is gonna take the 200% most extreme veiw of the word...Something having a loli-ish dynamic doesn't equal lolicon which is little bitty girls 110% obviously drawn for that purpose...

I could examine your japanese women being underdeveloped point but it's kinda fruitless since it's pretty irrelevent to the dynamic discussed....Sure I understand that point, but generally the character can fall under my previous examinations...

loli-ish factor---------------------------------------------------pure 100% lolicon
..........................................[distance between the 2]

It ain't the same...Forget Rukia for a second...this is a common practice in anime to draw characters in such a fashion and contrast to their male counterparts...No Rukia isn't a lolicon character duh, she just exibits some of those taboo factors in a coupling sense...but whatever i don't wanna be the poster boy for defending this anymore XD.....

With the lolicon, I wasn't speaking to your points exactly, just with the general idea of Rukia being loli, which gets thrown a lot, not necessarily always with the lolicon connotations, but lots of people bring up the "fact" that Rukia, when compared to most of the other females in the series, has the body of a child and any possible romantic relationship with Ichigo then makes Ichigo seem like a pedophile.

The only loli-ish dynamic that I see is the fact that Rukia is physically much smaller than Ichigo, she may have shown some "moe" traits when being angsty in the White Tower, but personality-wise and mentally, she is far from anything loliesque. Yes, Ichigo is a larger, muscular, aggressive, stubborn and brash character, which would fit your contrast character-archetype point, but Rukia doesn't provide a stark loli-contrast character-archetype. She's aggressive, stubborn and violent, not to mention confident and snarky, I know you're saying not to take it to the extreme, to "forget Rukia" and just to recognize the factors, but the only factor here is Rukia's size. If being much smaller than a guy is all that's require to be loliconesque then I don't know what to tell you, I guess I have a different understand of what loliconesque is than you do :3

Also, your examination of my underdeveloped Japanese women point intrigues me. I'm not saying Asian women have no busts, but generally speaking, we're not very well endowed, I mean cup-sizes in Asia are one cup smaller than their North American-counterparts, and we're also really really short. Naturally, we're just built smaller, Rukia fits this pretty well is all I'm saying, what is there to argue?

hanxthre

2006-07-06, 04:27

:rolleyes: I have nothing against Rukia (What in world brought you to that conclusion ? O_o'') ..I actually like her especially in her new look with kawaii clothing...What I'm more or less talking about is fan reasonings for wanting that pairing and the taboo-factors that some see as non-existence, some see as subtle and some see quite clearly that make them yearn for this pairing..I've talked about this in places other than this and reading so many comments on it I have supreme confidence that what I've said has a more than tangible level of validity...I'm so NOT being extreme yet I'm getting every extreme argument..It's funny really...

edit because of your edit: I don't know if you are a girl or a guy, but somethings go without speaking...If you think this is mereley and simply a debate that can be had because asian women aren't particularly endowed, then you miss the point...It's a stylized function that takes place in hundreds of animes...Sometimes there is a direct purpose like Saiga's loli from Speed grapher other times it's a percieved display(which means it is subject to interpretation)...But that still means there is an intent there...I mean you can ignore it by the primordial direct//indirectess of that character having a loli or as you put it moe aspect that is there...Furthermore it has been proven to keep otaku's noses bleeding for years now...

Lmao, I mean what other reason would an otaku be putting a hundred posters of Rukia on his wall and loving how cute and whatever else she is...You think the thought going thru their mind while worshiping Rukia is "I like her because she reminds me of a grown japanese woman who is unfortunatley unendowed" :rolleyes: ... C'mon, it's a fetish of sorts, a tabooness....which I have been trying to explain based on comments I have read and other online discussion with fans of this pairing...

ShuiMei

2006-07-06, 04:47

Sorry I wasn't talking to you about not liking Rukia, I don't really like block quoting people (I especially don't like line-by-line quoting, I hate it when people do that) in discussions, but I'll add quotes in to make it easier to understand who I'm responding to.

I know what you're trying to say about how people can interpret Ichigo and Rukia's relationship as loliesque at first glance, but to myself, personally, I adore Rukia's character and it's very difficult seperate her from her personality, especially when she has such a strong personality. To simply examine her person based on her physically, as Bronwen said, it's kind of superficial, and harder for us to understand. When we think of pairings, we're thinking of how they interact with each other, how their dynamic works, with these loliesque connotations, it's purely physical.

The way I see it, not so much as a supporter or Ichigo and Rukia as a romantic couple, but as someone who adores their platonic relationship, to find loliesque factors is to not really look at their relationship at all.

I suppose I just don't get any of this as I can't think that Rukia being smaller in structure was intended as some loli-gratification, and by this point in my life I've come to realize just about anything can give an otaku a nose bleed.

hanxthre

2006-07-06, 04:54

But your wrong... the thing we are finding out is that her strong-personality is more of a disguise...She has started to show feminine traits contrasting her orginal character and these traits have gotten far more evident the more powerful Ichigo has become (Especially in scenes where Ichi is soley protecting her, she's never experienced that form of caring for her)...All that arguing with Ichi is just a ploy to hide those feelings (atleast that's what some of their recent scenes beginning at the end of SS has expressed and even if you were to ignore that a billion anime characters [girl-boy] who argue with each other all the time wind up being each others love interest in some way)...It's more than physical traits...it's her blooming personality..Like a tomboy getting shy she's being asked to the prom it is an added taboo-factor to people liking this pairing IMO...

ShuiMei

2006-07-06, 05:20

Again, my initial post on this topic was not directed to you but on the general idea and topic of Rukia being loliesque and not as physically matured as other female characters.

My noting of the structure of the average Asian female is not to disregard notions of Rukia being loliesque, hell-Asian women are perfect for those with lolita-complexes, my noting of the less-endowed Asian females is to simply point out that while to some Rukia may have the body of the child, to others, it's not, it's normal, average.

There are certainly guys out there who like smaller women, I'm not saying there aren't, what I am saying; however, is that it doesn't necessarily mean that their preference for these smaller women is reminiscent of a lolita complex, and I think you'd agree with me there. However, if someone wants to twist and manipulate a perfectly normal girl into a loli-idol, it's certainly possible, and that's what I feel happens to Rukia when people throw a loli-title on her. Physically? Maybe. Overall? She's not.

I also disagree with your interpretation of her character. Yes, Rukia does have a vulnerable side, but her strong personality is not a disguise, it may have been at first, but since saving her, Rukia has gained a new strength and confidence, Ichigo has shown her what resolve and strength can accomplish, and that tough guise she hid behind has come into fruition. I don't know if you follow the manga, but this is especially evident in the post-Soul Society arc- Rukia has gotten stronger both physically and emotionally.

It doesn't matter how strong Ichigo gets, Rukia will always be there to knock him down a level. She will never have him think for a second that he is stronger than she is, she knows he is stronger, but she won't let him think that, because they fight together, they're a unit, they're equal.

I've also always disagreed with the notion that Rukia is a tomboy, she's easily cast aside as one, but she's always had a gentleness about her, Renji noted it as well and she showed us when Ichigo had his fight with Grandfisher. We often forget Rukia's softer side because most of her scenes are of her bickering with Ichigo, but there have always been gentle undertones in her words. Much like Ichigo, she acts tough but is a caring person underneath.

I've always felt that people like Ichigo and Rukia together as a pairing because of how they interacted, how they changed each others lives, and how much they mean to each other. They compliment each other wonderfully, both need and understand each other, and on the same level as equals.

Skyfall

2006-07-06, 18:25

I can asure you - all the time i have thought of Ichigo x Rukia not ever have i come close to a thought about anything loli in this realtionship. ( prior this discussion ofc ). Rukia doesnt meat any of the loli factors. Sure, she is smaller than Ichi...but tell me, do you clasify all smaller woman as "she has a loli factor ?"

You say most like this pairing because of the tabooish loli factor ? I simply disagree. As i said - this thought has never passed my mind up untill now. Rukias overall character is far from having anything loli-like to do with it ( unless you just take her height compared to Ichigo as only example )

And about her having a girlish side - whopde doo... a girl has a girlish side ? zomg, lets label her as loli because of this.

And as i said - dont like their relationship because of the loli factor ( wich i dont even find there ) , i like because of how they act and care for each other. But hey, if you like them because of loli factor ( i still dont aknowlidge that there is one :eyespin: ) feel free to do so

Sorry if my speech sounds somewhat offensive, its just how i usually talk :P

Thewanderer

2006-07-06, 18:40

hanxthre

2006-07-06, 18:49

Okay guys, look closely.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Deadbrain80/Bleach/1147023707364.jpg

See those? Boobs=NOT LOLI. Case closed. Now can we get back to a normal Ichigo+Rukia/Ichigo+Orihime debate?

What a minute, let me get my magnifying glass so I can confirm those microscopic mosquito bites that are so clearly visible based upon that pic that obviously confirms your point :rolleyes: ...

Thewanderer

2006-07-06, 18:56

What a minute, let me get my magnifying glass so I can confirm those microscopic mosquito bites that are so clearly visible based upon that pic that obviously confirms your point :rolleyes: ...
It still confirms that she's postpubescent. And asian girls tend to have small ones anyway... what else is there to argue about now?

hanxthre

2006-07-06, 19:04

ShuiMei

2006-07-06, 19:48

Your point on Rukia being loliesque has not expanded past her lack of size. Clearly all one needs to be considered loliesque is a modest bust and to be vertically challenged, which then a majority of East-Asian women can fall under such a categorization. If there's more to it then please explain because evidently there's something we're all not getting

hanxthre

2006-07-06, 20:05

I've already explained it...You obviously don't watch enuff titles that personify this aspect (Considering your continous harping over the asian woman bust-issue)...There are hundreds of them...RukiaxIchigo isn't necessarily the head of the class in that subset but a valid argument can definatley be made on this aspect when it comes to some people wanting them as a pairing (which oddly enuff will never take place since this is shonen anime)...You are concetrating on proving me wrong strictly based on the anime when my debate is based on reaction to why one might fetish the pairing based on the anime...I'm just sitting here smiling on how people are combating me with points I'm not even making...and extreme combat at that..It's really funny...

I think I've finally exhausted myself...

Thewanderer

2006-07-06, 20:50

There's nothing to argue over other than the fact the pic you showed doesn't prove your point in the slightest...It probably helps the other side of the debate if I'm being fair, but, as said, this point has outgrown it's usefulness...
Now you're just being a jerk if you're serious. If you still see a "loli" here, you're blind. Look, Kon's helping point them out...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Deadbrain80/Bleach/1140538259503.jpg
I've already explained it...You obviously don't watch enuff titles that personify this aspect (Considering your continous harping over the asian woman bust-issue)...There are hundreds of them...RukiaxIchigo isn't necessarily the head of the class in that subset but a valid argument can definatley be made on this aspect when it comes to some people wanting them as a pairing (which oddly enuff will never take place since this is shonen anime)...You are concetrating on proving me wrong strictly based on the anime when my debate is based on reaction to why one might fetish the pairing based on the anime...I'm just sitting here smiling on how people are combating me with points I'm not even making...and extreme combat at that..It's really funny...

I think I've finally exhausted myself...
I was never combating you till you quotted me implying that you couldn't see what I was talking about... and now you're smiling about it? Yeah, that isn't being a troll:rolleyes:

hanxthre

2006-07-06, 21:04

All that matters is that my argument is clear...It doesn't matter if I'm a troll or not...Trolls usually come up with pretty good arguments actually, they just beat it in your skull until you are agitated to the point you call them a troll thus giving them the what they want (which is a pissed off or aggravated member)...I'm not smiling in a troll fashion, i'm smiling at how extreme some of the arguments have been when the premise was never extreme...Once again a moe-ish or loli-ish factor doesn't equal FBI Dateline NBC special reports on the ills of lolicon...Unfortunatley this is what some think...

Furthermore that first pic you provided was weak..I mean really weak if you thought it was your trump card or something...That second pic isn't really good either..I could use my BS Player and screencapture 20pics better than that and prove argumentatively the opposite aswell...Don't even talk about Rukia doujins that would get someone arrested prolly...I mean at this point in the debate everything i've said has been so distorted I might aswell turn myself into the authorities now :rolleyes: ...

Thewanderer

2006-07-06, 21:44

Furthermore that first pic you provided was weak..I mean really weak if you thought it was your trump card or something...That second pic isn't really good either..I could use my BS Player and screencapture 20pics better than that and prove argumentatively the opposite aswell...Don't even talk about Rukia doujins that would get someone arrested prolly...I mean at this point in the debate everything i've said has been so distorted I might aswell turn myself into the authorities now :rolleyes: ...
First, you're talking as if I was arguing. I'm not trying to prove ANYTHING, so if you don't belive me and/or even get at what I was pointing out, STFU about it.

If you haven't noticed, if I was trying to argue aginst your points, I would've specifically said that Rukia isn't loli-ish at all(if one didn't count the sole fact that shortness=loli-ish). And your "arguments" tword me has just been "your argument is weak" or "that don't prove anything"... you've never even givin me a counter-argument to justify it as an argument. Stop trying to start a fight if you want a REAL debate, kay?

ShuiMei

2006-07-06, 22:09

All you've explained is that somehow Rukia and Ichigo's relationship falls into some of the codes and conventions of anime series where a loliesque relationship was present, I've argued against such notions but you've only disregarded them saying that I was "being extreme."

Your previous points have lied on the basis of Rukia's size in contrast to Ichigo, which I will agree is much smaller. Your other points lie on the fact that Ichigo fits the archetype of a violent and aggressive male figure, which I will agree with, but having such an archetype in a loliesque relationship is only relevant when the female counterpart contrasts with that male counterpart, by which Rukia does not, they share a lot of the same behavioural and personality traits. It's not just the body that makes the loli, it's also the personality and the mindset. What I am saying is that so far, the only thing "loli factor" that Rukia has going for her is her body, and with that, I have been arguing that her body is not the body of a child, but you have been disregarding this as irrelevant to the discussion, explain how so.

At first I thought we could have a thorough and rational discussion on this, but your last fews posts have just been discarding any arguments against your interpretation of their relationship and any potential lolicon factors as being too extreme or twisting the argument. Clearly, you're not explaining yourself well enough to help us understand your points, otherwise I wouldn't be confused and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

NoSanninWa

2006-07-08, 00:57

Let's just let the subject of Rukia's "Loliness" drop. If anyone insists that Rukia looks like a little girl, obviously pointing out small breasts isn't going to change their mind. If they want to see a Loli, they will. On the other side of the coin, if people insist on seeing small breasts, then they cannot be convinced that Rukia is pre-pubescent. Everyone seems pretty entrenched in this pointless war and I find it pretty silly because it then blends into that other extremely weird discussion of exactly why anyone cares.

Hopefully we can skip this pointless debate now and get back to the topic.

FlAmE hAzE - ShAnA

2006-07-08, 15:19

so,,,, I just say
RukiaxIchigo

I think that, and don't kill me :heh:

rabchil

2006-07-09, 12:23

Ichigo and Rukia, for all the reasons ShuiMei pointed out. ShuiMei you are my hero/heroine

Kaoro_Tsumi

2006-07-10, 13:05

What a minute, let me get my magnifying glass so I can confirm those microscopic mosquito bites that are so clearly visible based upon that pic that obviously confirms your point :rolleyes: ...

Please, I apologise if I'm being aggressive. I may be aggressive.
I WILL be.

This is not about Rukia being a loli or not. She's a fictional character, I won't be really angry at someone becaue I didn't like what they say about her.
But really, dont be stupid please ! So girls with small breasts are loli ? ARE YOU IDIOT OR WHAT ?! This hardly counts as point. Like there are small and tall women, there are differences in the breasts size too. Some women don't even have breasts. So you're stupid comment about 'microscopic mosquito bites' is more an insult than an argument.

I don't even know why I'm apologising to you. I guess it's better if I do so, so when I'm calmer I won't deplore my lack of self control.
So sorry. And wake up !

hanxthre

2006-07-11, 01:43

Please, I apologise if I'm being aggressive. I may be aggressive.
I WILL be.

This is not about Rukia being a loli or not. She's a fictional character, I won't be really angry at someone becaue I didn't like what they say about her.
But really, dont be stupid please ! So girls with small breasts are loli ? ARE YOU IDIOT OR WHAT ?! This hardly counts as point. Like there are small and tall women, there are differences in the breasts size too. Some women don't even have breasts. So you're stupid comment about 'microscopic mosquito bites' is more an insult than an argument.

I don't even know why I'm apologising to you. I guess it's better if I do so, so when I'm calmer I won't deplore my lack of self control.
So sorry. And wake up !

This is anime asshole, a visual medium which uses character traits to make expressive or implied aspects that can be interpreted many different ways...If you wanna make a point about a character having loli-ish traits (Which in itself is subjective as we've seen some people approach this as common fodder while others address it in extreme idocy) it's not to smart to show a picture of said character having mosquito bite breasts (which are barely visbile if that) as proof or validity against it (As the SanninWa guy denotes)...So your point is very ignorant as my quote was in response to someone's decree that that pic of her nullifies or netralizes whatever loli factors that were discussed...So I'm sorry if you or your significant other has baby beetles attached to their chests or you are simply just angry at my word-choices, but your unimpressive rant (that is rooted in NON-LINKAGE) has done nothing to wake me up...After reading it I'm actually snoring....

:o ZZZZZzzzZz...

NoSanninWa

2006-07-11, 02:29

I hate to mention this, but I know a girl in real life in her mid 20s that doesn't have breasts you can notice with her clothing on. Is she a loli? This is the last warning. Enough of the loli debate. I don't want to hear from it, unless you believe it is actually relevant to the question of Ichigo liking Rukia or not liking Rukia. Since we haven't seen much to indicate whether or not Ichigo is a lolicon, I can't really see it as being very relevant.

rabchil

2006-07-12, 05:28

I do not understand why the topic has gone so off from the original. Anyway, Rukia x Ichigo all the way.

ichigoismyhomie

2006-07-12, 13:34

I do not understand why the topic has gone so off from the original. Anyway, Rukia x Ichigo all the way.

jaaaaaaaaaah.....i second to that. orihime might have the breast, but the chemistry between ichigo and rukia is something to that orihime doesn't have.

but, i don't mind seeing ichigo going out with matsumoto or maybe nanao-chan, since both of them are hot......:rolleyes: hehehe....just my wishfull thinking.

Ippo-Kun

2006-07-12, 20:41

ichigo should pimp out rukia, orihime, matsumoto and nanao. maybe he can have a rotation of each girl per week.

yellowkaiq

2006-07-12, 22:11

Ichigo and Orihime! But i guess she'll end up with that bow-wielding guy.

I like ippo-kun's idea. The first death-god-pimp of both Soul Society and the real world.

ichigoismyhomie

2006-07-16, 17:40

Ichigo and Orihime! But i guess she'll end up with that bow-wielding guy.

I like ippo-kun's idea. The first death-god-pimp of both Soul Society and the real world.

hey.....wait a minute.....he/she got the idea from meh......I should got the credit too....:heh:

but i guess matsumoto and nanao-chan are out of the picture. nanao-chan already hooked up to that captain with flowery kimono and matsumoto still horny about ichimaro (rat face captain). ichigo's options are either orihime or rukia.

anyhow, i still support ichigo X rukia pairing up. she might be small, but good things come in small packages......:D

hampsterlord

2006-07-20, 21:15

I say that he shouldn't go with either. THe way the aithor of the manga (and anime) did a VERY bad job with the characters, so that any step towards romance is dam near impossible for ichigo. His only development ichigo goes through in the entire series is that his sword gets bigger. Orihim is just plain stupid, and WTF RUKIA IS A MAN!!!!!!! WHY WOULD HE DATE A MAN!?

Lotiman

2006-07-22, 09:33

Ichigo and Rukia is quite match but they are from 2 different world. Ichigo is a human after all. Ichigo and Orihime or Taki might be a bit compatible.

Rainbow Candy

2006-07-23, 14:04

nah...i still think ichigo x rukia all the way they are are cuter couple

kurapica11001

2006-07-23, 21:56

ya a agree with rainbow candy ^_^ rukia x ichigo would make a better and cuter couple ^_^

diekirai

2006-07-23, 22:00

i've been ichiruki fangirl since ep1 http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k180/traumend/pixels/pix10.gif just way they interact has chemistry
and as already mentioned by some, i can't see ichihime anyway but brother to sister relationship.

i support ichigo x rukia, but i want orihime to be happy http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k180/traumend/pixels/pix9.gif
oh and... latest ED gives tons of ichiruki vibes http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k180/traumend/pixels/pix6.gif -loves the ED-

ichigoismyhomie

2006-07-24, 02:13

..... His only development ichigo goes through in the entire series is that his sword gets bigger. Orihim is just plain stupid, and WTF RUKIA IS A MAN!!!!!!! WHY WOULD HE DATE A MAN!?

LOL......rukia is man?!?!?! that would one pretty cute lookin man........

besides, lots of popular anime series have somewhat love story(ies) woven in between the plot. samurai x, FMA, elfen lied, etc are some of the examples. looking from what I've watched and read so far, i dont think any of these pairings will go anywhere. seems like ichigo is too busy training to face endless wave of new enemies. I think the manga seems to lean toward rukia.

TwilightHack

2006-07-25, 19:46

I still support Ichigo x Orihime.

We see hints of it here and there especially in the current arc... but the main problem is that Kubo hasn't given them enough time together to let it develop properly.

I'd expect to see more IxO with the current twists of events.

cuteayumi

2006-07-25, 21:46

hmmm i think dat rukia and ichigo make a cuter couple.....i dunno they r like a puzzle dat fits perfectly

Searcher

2006-07-26, 14:10

Personally i am an Ichigo x Orihime fan. But since we are watching fillers, there will be no improvement in any personal relationships.
We just have to wait untill the fillers are over, which i hope will be very soon.
Because ichigo is getting on mine nerve, the fillers are all about him. Getting pretty bored by now.

Renge

2006-07-26, 14:29

Ichigo is a human after all.

Thats not true...

In the manga it shows that his dad is a shinigami

I dont know.. I like both pairings

forbidden1four56

2006-07-26, 15:39

Maybe in a perfect world ichigo and rukia would end up together, but it seems there are too many obstacles, such as despite being a death god still having a human body. So it seems like it will be ichigo and orihime and.....rukia and renji. I like the idea with ichigo ending up with either one though, i'd probably prefer he ended up with rukia, but that's probably not gonna happen.