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Hmm...Let me see, if I recall, there should be a thread like this to be discussed about. I saw one below but that seems to be in general. Anyway, here is where you can post your comments, questions, discussions, and such and such about the 61st episode of Bleach.
Remember that spoilers are not allowed in an episode discussion thread. None. Not even if you use spoiler tags!
Daniel E.
2005-12-18, 21:20
I haven't watched this episode yet, but I do enjoy the preview pics that are always posted on this threads.
Hope someone will post them soon. :D
I don't follow the manga, although I have stumbled across several vague spoilers. That aside, episode 61 was awesome! It wasn't awesome in a fighting sort of way, but it was awesome because we got to learn more about the plot. Every new episode amazes me with how connected everything in Bleach is. Even seemingly unimportant or frivalous scenes/quotes in early episodes relate back to something. At this rate, the end of the series will leave hardly any loose ends or plotholes. Kubo is a genius.
ScytheBlade
2005-12-18, 21:23
Aizen is evil! Nooo!!!
Yes, he is indeed evil. He's pretty irritating with those smiles but that makes him cool and evil.
Souzouryoku
2005-12-18, 21:26
@ Daniel http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2005/12/13/bleach-61/
This is a really good place to get screencaps for the latest Bleach episodes. But beware..tons of spoilers if haven't watched the ep. and dont want to be spoiled ~
This episode was quite enjoyable :D Rukia looked so innocent in some of the shots, and I found it really cute how Renji wouldn't let go of her :D Aizen is such a great villain. He's so calm and smooth, yet at the same time he's so evil :D
When I read these chapters in the manga, I was impressed, however there is something in the anime that was not present in the manga that enhanced this episode. If you look back, it is possible to note that Rukia has been looking gradually more and more human through the course of the series, which goes to back up Aizen's remarks.
Daniel E.
2005-12-18, 21:34
This is a really good place to get screencaps for the latest Bleach episodes. But beware..tons of spoilers if haven't watched the ep. and dont want to be spoiled ~
Ah yes, thanks for the link.
I read the manga, so I dont mind watching a few pics of the latest episode in advance.
It's just different in some way.
acidflower
2005-12-18, 21:43
Damnnnnnn! The episodse was good, but you know, if only Aizen would lose those geeky glasses! I hope Ichigo breaks his glasses, at the very least. <_< Then, Aizen would go bishie!
Wonder whether hollow ichigo will make another appearance?
Aizen looks godly powerful owning ichigo like that. Blocking his bankai with 1 finger! Probably he has already reached max lvl for shinigami already and that y he is seeking the hougou
Ebichuman
2005-12-18, 22:30
Once again Renji gets his ass kicked. I guess he's just a natural born loser. And Aizen reminds me of one of those James Bond villians. "You're going to die anyways, so let me explain everything to you.." :heh:
Aizen is too strong. He beat Ichigo when Byakuya took forever beating him up and still loose.
Nightengale
2005-12-18, 22:44
Once again Renji gets his ass kicked. I guess he's just a natural born loser. And Aizen reminds me of one of those James Bond villians. "You're going to die anyways, so let me explain everything to you.." :heh:
Renji = Jobber. Even his fight with Ichigo needed Byakuya's help. Pfft.
And I still find it cranky how so many shounen villians need to EXPLAIN to the enemy. Doesn't help that Aizen's explaination is one of the longest ever.
Damnnnnnn! The episodse was good, but you know, if only Aizen would lose those geeky glasses! I hope Ichigo breaks his glasses, at the very least. <_< Then, Aizen would go bishie!
Aizen loses the glasses later on, though nobody breaks them. He removes them on his own. I suspect this'll happen around 2-3 episodes from now.
As for Renji getting his ass kicked...well, what do you expect? Aizen took out Hitsugaya (a Captain) and Ichigo (who defeated Byakuya, a Captain), so taking out Renji at that point is simply academic. Not to mention Renji wasn't even close to being 100% (he could barely manage Shikai after his fight with Byakuya).
But wow, we're essentially at the climax for the Soul Society arc already...that was pretty fast. I wonder if they're going to show some filler episodes when the SS arc ends...I hope not, but it might happen... =/
he could barely manage Shikai after his fight with Byakuya
I think you mean bankai.
Nightengale
2005-12-18, 23:03
I think you mean bankai.
No, Shikai.
He couldn't conjure up a Bankai in his beat-up state, unlike Ichigo. Shikai was his limit. That's why he's only using Zabimaru against Aizen.
Oh against Aizen! I thought you meant when he's fighting Byakuya.
Ebichuman
2005-12-18, 23:25
As for Renji getting his ass kicked...well, what do you expect? Aizen took out Hitsugaya (a Captain) and Ichigo (who defeated Byakuya, a Captain), so taking out Renji at that point is simply academic.
That's what I expected, its just that the poor guy can't catch a break. Although fighting the main character of a shounen anime and two ub3r l337 captains it comes as no suprise.
Doesn't help that Aizen's explaination is one of the longest ever.
At least Furball cut him short :heh: but it'll suck to see him get pwned :upset:
AnbuItachi
2005-12-18, 23:34
aizen appears to be the strongest at hte moment but the reason hes looking for that thing in rukia is cause shinigami's have limits. so i guess he can't be thatttttttt strong.
hitsugayax
2005-12-19, 00:00
it was a gooood episode. good fight scene, love the way ichigo & renji worked together :D. but i didnt like the way the episode ended. recent episodes have been ending really bad lately. but nonetheless i still love it all together.
wingdarkness
2005-12-19, 01:07
I just lost my whole damn post!! Goddammit does the system unlog you or something?? When I clicked post reply it said I had to log-in, when I went back in attempts to save my post it vanished....Christ that was a good long post....No way I'm re-writing that... f#%K!!
Basically here's an outline
1. Renji needs to die already, i lose respect for him each episode he's somehow revived or doesn't die when he gets beat down each ep...
2. Hina-chan and Hitsagawa seem to be being revived and I think sometimes death make a story stronger...all the great impact of their death scenes will be lost when they wish them back with the dragonballs...
3. I thought Byakuya was the one in the end of the ep and not the fox-dude..They got me with that one..
4. I hope Tousen and Fox-dude have a bitter fight next ep
5. Explain the full concept of the Hygouhou cause the sub didn't do it good enuff for me...
6. I love how good the SS arc has become, but I'm ready for it to end all ready in the next 5 or 6 eps...I've lost all touch with the pre-SS arc storylines (Like when Urahara gave her the spirit body) cause it's been so looong...
7. the long post i wrote was much better than this dammit...
Oh against Aizen! I thought you meant when he's fighting Byakuya.
I indeed meant his fight against Aizen. I thought I made that clear since I mentioned "after his fight with Byakuya", but it happens. I've been known to misinterpret things before too, no biggie.
Aizen is indeed strong. Whether or not he's reach that finally plateau of strength (so to speak) is debatable, but he definitely **seems** to be above the level of Captain. Plus, he has the advantage of absolute hypnosis thanks to his Zanpakutou...something that basically no one can defend against except Tousen...who happens to be aligned with Aizen. =/
This ep was great :D
I loved it!
I want the next one :D!!!
I have a question: wasn't Renji's sword broken (by Byakuya)? How come it is not broken anymore!
I loved the ending.... Aizen!!!!! *attack whit 20m sword 300kg sword*!!
And for Aizen beeing uber strong.. well that is basic story telling.. the main villan must always be more powerfull then our hero. That way we can follow the underdog in his strugle to gain power and defeat the enemy..
I have a question: wasn't Renji's sword broken (by Byakuya)? How come it is not broken anymore!
It seems that zanpakutohs can recover with time. IIRC, Ichigo also broke Zabimaru in their last fight, and it has regenerated since then.
D3athScythe
2005-12-19, 06:24
He probably ran into all the walls possible =O he is hungry for da power!
Aaarrggh!!! crazy doctor Mayuri in the nude!!! My eyes are corrugating!! Aaaarghh!!
NoSanninWa
2005-12-19, 06:42
Aaarrggh!!! crazy doctor Mayuri in the nude!!! My eyes are corrugating!! Aaaarghh!!
Your eyes are corrugating? That's a gruesome image!
You do know that corrogating means to have alternate grooves and ridges (like cardboard), right?
A few details I'm not sure to understand : (using spoiler just in case)
Ok, Rukia has ryougoku inside of her.
BUT : As we've seen, it looks like Ichigo has to struggle with another self, which is a hollow or at least really looks like something EVIL (remember Ichigo vs Byakuya ass-kicking scene).
WHICH WOULD MEAN : that Rukia gave this power to Ichigo in the first episodes.
SO : That ep brings me to think that Aizen does not know Ichigo's hidden power... strange for someone who tells he knows everything about that story.
Or maybe did I miss something.
This is just a non manga-reader point of view....
Your eyes are corrugating? That's a gruesome image!
You do know that corrogating means to have alternate grooves and ridges (like cardboard), right?
Yes, I know what it means.
Elvanvitar
2005-12-19, 11:38
A few details I'm not sure to understand : (using spoiler just in case)
Ok, Rukia has ryougoku inside of her.
BUT : As we've seen, it looks like Ichigo has to struggle with another self, which is a hollow or at least really looks like something EVIL (remember Ichigo vs Byakuya ass-kicking scene).
WHICH WOULD MEAN : that Rukia gave this power to Ichigo in the first episodes.
SO : That ep brings me to think that Aizen does not know Ichigo's hidden power... strange for someone who tells he knows everything about that story.
Or maybe did I miss something.
This is just a non manga-reader point of view....
Rukia gave Ichigo his shinigami powers before the first Renji/Byukaka fight. Ichigo didn't get his hollow side until he was forced to become one or the other via Uraharas' training deal. There is still some question as to whether he has always had one inside him or whether it's this training method that makes Ichigo what he is.
I will need to see it again because I was a little confused with the ryogoku stuff.:heh:
Either way, I liked the back story about Uruhara investigation, Just I didn’t like that he used Rukia to hide his inventions...and maybe the whole “send Ichigo and friends to save Rukia” was to get back what he had lost and not to really save Rukia, for me he was portrayed as a bad/shaddy person.
acidflower
2005-12-19, 14:56
Mayuri looks hawt <_<! Now, only if he'll lose that weird personality, he'd be pretty close to being a cool person.
This episode sure makes Urahara look like a shady character.
Suzumebachi
2005-12-19, 15:10
I've only seen screencaps for 61 and there is something that confuses me!
Why is Mayuri sudddenly making his nude appearance? I think it's safe to assume that this is some time after his fight with Ishida (which was ages ago!!) and if that's the case, why didn't he just make a reentrance some.....5 or 6 episodes ago? As a result of his last battle he was pretty banged up but still.....
Oh and did Hitsugaya die in his short battle with Aizen?! NOOO!!!!! HITSU CANT DIE!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh and did Hitsugaya die in his short battle with Aizen?! NOOO!!!!! HITSU CANT DIE!!!!!!!!!!!
Because you have not see it, i will use spoiler...
I pretty sure both him and Hinamory are alive, The MEdical Captain, don't remember her name, was going to cure then both...
Besides Hitsu got the most commonly used wound in the series, the one that is verticall all the way to the shoulder..
I have seen that wound like 10 times so far, and nobody has died from it..Ichigo has the most so far..like 4 of those.:heh:
Whee, it's getting even better now. Though, this whole arc is going to a close shortly, I believe. It'll last one or two episodes at the most.
Also, if you guys want me to clear some things up about the Hougyoku, Hitsugaya and Hinamori...
Unohana is the Captain of the fourth division, and her speciality is healing. Even though Hitsugaya and Hinamori may be on the brink of death, Unohana still has the capability to save them. As for the Hougyoku, it's exactly like Aizen said; it's not in Ichigo at all, but hidden in Rukia.
wingdarkness
2005-12-19, 16:42
This episode sure makes Urahara look like a shady character.
That's what I was thinking too, but I don't believe it...I don't think Urahara has any plans close to that of Aizen...I believe his whole plan (Including the powers and abilities he taught to Ichigo) was for the purpose of stopping someone like Aizen...Sure he still seems to be shady, but he's had a shady persona for the whole series pre-SS arc...even when he was helping Ichigo he was really shady about his intentions...Plus we all know Youro-chan wouldn't give up everything to be with an underground maniac, would she??:(
Please someone explain the whole Hyougyou sprit body thing in detail...I want to fully understand everything about it...(No manga spoilers or manga answers please)...Only people who have a real good understanding from veiwing the episode or those who are talented enuff to explain things without spoiling may answer this question...
Please someone explain the whole Hyougyou sprit body thing in detail...I want to fully understand everything about it...(No manga spoilers or manga answers please)...
Actually, even in the manga, no further information about the Hyougyou was given other than Aizen's explanation of it.
Basically, as Aizen mentioned, it was a device that Urahara Kisuke created. It allows for the transformation of a Hollow into a Shinigami, or vice-versa. This allows that particular Konpaku (spirit) to exceed its previous limitations and gain strength far superior to what it possessed previously. Unfortunately Urahara was unable to find a way to destroy it, so the only choice he had was to hide it. I'll just stop here since the rest of it connects with the Hyougyou, but it mainly refers to the Gigai (fake body) that Rukia was using while in the real world.
CorpMazral3
2005-12-19, 17:44
I was very confused when I read this part in the manga also. I think they explained it better in the anime. Either that or I just was more awake when I watched the ep.
Elvanvitar
2005-12-19, 17:57
I would agree that Urahara is shady. Overall it would seem he is on the good side. But I think he is one of those people that would use any means necessary and has his own agenda.
reaction
2005-12-19, 18:02
I felt that the manga did a rather poor job of explaining Aizen's intentions and history. The anime clearified everything for me.
It was nice to see such an amazing amout of power from Aizen (God mode?). I wonder if Hollow-Ichigo could at least have dealt him some damage...
Silent_One
2005-12-19, 18:19
Well according to what he said only as a hollow can they surpass the limits as they are now so hollow Ichigo should be able to beat him easy if he could use the full effect of it.
Well according to what he said only as a hollow can they surpass the limits as they are now so hollow Ichigo should be able to beat him easy if he could use the full effect of it.
Beat him easily? Probably not. Remember, along with mastering the technique of Zanjutsu (Sword techniques), one has to also master the Hakuda, Hohou, and Kidou techniques. All Ichigo has going for him is his newly attained skill of Zanjutsu and Hohou, while Aizen, on the other hand, seems to be extremely proficient at Zanjutsu, Hohou, and Kidou, from what we've seen from him. Ichigo still has a long way to go before coming close to Aizen's level, Hollow or not.
Silent_One
2005-12-19, 18:36
I didn't say he could use the full effect but he has the potential too as hollow win easyily because according to Aizen there is limits to his power. In hollow form Aizen could supposedly become more powerfull but atm he can't and Ichigo can.
I guess it would depend on if when he is in hollow form does Ichigo know every thing he can do or not.If he does he would beat Aizen easy in my opinion.Even if not he still would do better then he is doing now you would think right?
Beat him easily? Probably not. Remember, along with mastering the technique of Zanjutsu (Sword techniques), one has to also master the Hakuda, Hohou, and Kidou techniques. All Ichigo has going for him is his newly attained skill of Zanjutsu and Hohou, while Aizen, on the other hand, seems to be extremely proficient at Zanjutsu, Hohou, and Kidou, from what we've seen from him. Ichigo still has a long way to go before coming close to Aizen's level, Hollow or not.
Also, it doesn't even seem like Ichigo can control or even summon at will his hollow side. Nonetheless, I'm not even sure what his hollow side is, being only an anime watcher and never spoiling myself by reading what people talk about with the manga. :) It just seems like Aizen is on a totally different level from Ichigo and all the other shinigami. From what I've seen, there's basically no one out their with the power to oppose Aizen. Bleach is just getting more and more interesting and I'm pretty sad to see that the SS arc is ending soon and fillers will be starting up. :(
On a side note, what exactly did Matsumoto's shikai do? Kira's ability seemed pretty devastating but when she just look at it and made her soul slayer turn to dust, I couldn't figure out just what was going on. The next scene was just her running off and a defeated Kira looking pretty sad.
IEven if not he still would do better then he is doing now you would think right?
Oh, definitely, he would do better. But I still don't think he'd be able to stand up to Aizen and win, you know?
On a side note, what exactly did Matsumoto's shikai do?
I have no clue. I don't even think they explain that in the manga. :upset:
reaction
2005-12-19, 18:49
Matsumoto's shikai is Haineko (Ash Cat). It is released by yelling Unare (Growl). It apparently scatters into smoke (similar to Byakura). How did this defeat Kira? I have no clue.
Nightengale
2005-12-19, 18:56
Matsumoto's shikai is Haineko (Ash Cat). It is released by yelling Unare (Growl). It apparently scatters into smoke (similar to Byakura). How did this defeat Kira? I have no clue.
Maybe it's somewhat similar to the blood move in Basilisk? The Haineko mist surrounds the enemy and can anytime materialise and unmaterialise into a blade or something from any angle as long as the mist is present.
wingdarkness
2005-12-19, 19:16
Beat him easily? Probably not. Remember, along with mastering the technique of Zanjutsu (Sword techniques), one has to also master the Hakuda, Hohou, and Kidou techniques. All Ichigo has going for him is his newly attained skill of Zanjutsu and Hohou, while Aizen, on the other hand, seems to be extremely proficient at Zanjutsu, Hohou, and Kidou, from what we've seen from him. Ichigo still has a long way to go before coming close to Aizen's level, Hollow or not.
I also understand what you are saying, but regardless of everything...Doesn't matter how many techniques and powers you have...A person can beat you with brute strength alone, not saying Aizen can be dealt with this easily, but Ichigo's sheer brute power as a fully energized hollow may just be too powerful regardless of all the special techniques you have...Kenpachi has proved just pure strength and power was enuff for him to become a captain without any techniques or even the ability to possess bankai (hell he even admonishes his underlings for using their special techniques)...So I'm just saying just because you know every technique in the book, you can still lose to someone that just has freakish brute strength and power....
Also this is the general formula of shonen anime :p
fierysky
2005-12-19, 21:57
On a side note, what exactly did Matsumoto's shikai do? Kira's ability seemed pretty devastating but when she just look at it and made her soul slayer turn to dust, I couldn't figure out just what was going on. The next scene was just her running off and a defeated Kira looking pretty sad.
Well as someone already said, Matsumoto's shikai allows her to turn her sword into ash, hence the name "Ash Cat". The only thing going for Kira is that his sword doubles the weight of whatever his sword touches. If Kira manages so block several attacks, his opponent will find their sword very heavy and hard to wield. My guess is, since Matsumoto's sword can turn to ash, that changes everything. Ash is light, even if you were to double the weight each time, it'll take many blows. Also, since it is dust, it is hard to cut and block or even see it. Obviously kira will find himself in trouble and lose.
COuld urahara planned to create hollow ichigo long ago?
Theory
Hougou gives the ability for both shigami and hollow to exist in one body.
EVer since rukia gave ichigo her powers, ichigo gained shigami powers and also the ability to contain a hollow. So urahara purposely used that method regain ichigo powers and planned ichigo to gain both shigami and hollow powers at the same time...
wingdarkness
2005-12-19, 22:31
Just thought about this, but does Aizen even know Ichigo has a hollow (ep 61 only)?? He talked about it, but he never said anything about clearly knowing...Also as he was talking about it the camera suspiciously stayed on Renji's corpse (which makes me believe a hollow tag-team may be forming)This is making me wish I actually saved Bleach episodes (I didn't start til ep 47) so I can go back and see the technique that allowed Ichigo to maintain his hollow when he was in that pit...Nevermind the whole Kaien thing inwhich I have my own theories on that I'll keep quiet for now...
COuld urahara planned to create hollow ichigo long ago?
Theory
Hougou gives the ability for both shigami and hollow to exist in one body.
EVer since rukia gave ichigo her powers, ichigo gained shigami powers and also the ability to contain a hollow. So urahara purposely used that method regain ichigo powers and planned ichigo to gain both shigami and hollow powers at the same time...
This is VERY possible. Especially if he thought ichigo had the power behind him to do it(which was plainly obvious when he was using rukia's powers).
Elvanvitar
2005-12-20, 00:18
Just thought about this, but does Aizen even know Ichigo has a hollow (ep 61 only)?? He talked about it, but he never said anything about clearly knowing...Also as he was talking about it the camera suspiciously stayed on Renji's corpse (which makes me believe a hollow tag-team may be forming)This is making me wish I actually saved Bleach episodes (I didn't start til ep 47) so I can go back and see the technique that allowed Ichigo to maintain his hollow when he was in that pit...Nevermind the whole Kaien thing inwhich I have my own theories on that I'll keep quiet for now...
Well, Aizen seems to know quite a bit about Urahara's techniques. I would imagine that since Ichigo is a human, albeit with a lot of reitsu, Aizen knows that since Ichigo has a shinigami side that he also has a hollow side. Maybe the only way for humans to become a shinigami is to also become a hollow. That's just speculation on my part though.
KiraDouji
2005-12-20, 00:37
Hrm, a few people seem to be debating Aizen vs Ichigo, which at this point seems a little fruitless. For example, we have no idea if Aizen is even still a Shinigami by the time he gets Hyougyou, let alone afterwards. Additionally, Ichigo transformed almost into a hollow and then into a shinigami when Urahara essentially killed him (but not? yay for never explained things). Does this mean that Ichigo has no barriers? Does Aizen have any barriers? The point is, we really don't have enough information in the anime or the manga to really get at this discussion. :/
As for the episode itself, while the second half was mostly dialogue, I still think it was wonderfully done. Renji's determination to see this through really shines in this episode as he followed his (albeit sad) pattern of being wtfpwned by every main good/bad guy in the series. The scene wherein he's essentially forcing Zabimaru into that one last attack to give Ichigo a chance at striking Aizen was perfect. I have to say I was really impressed. Especially with the way the music started up. Bankai!Ichigo is running forward towards the ubercrazy!Aizen, with "Number One" playing... your hope's getting up... surely this is the climax- music stops, sword stops by a finger and both Ichigo and Renji are wtfpwned in two seconds kthnxbai.
Perfect moment. XD
Edit: Maybe the only way for humans to become a shinigami is to also become a hollow.
...???? When a human dies they become a spirit. Said spirit can do a few things.
1) Stick around and eventually become a Hollow.
2) Get eatten by a Hollow and become a Hollow.
3) Become a Shinigami.
4) Have a soul burial performed by a Shinigami on them and move to Rukongai where they still have the possibility of becoming a shinigami.
5) Go to Hell.
If you want to know what happens when someone goes Hollow-->Shinigami or Shinigami-->Hollow, you'll have to read a spoiler. LATEST MANGA SPOILERS - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
Edit by Moderator: Spoilers are NOT allowed in this thread, even in spoiler tags!
If you didn't read the spoiler, suffice to say that, um, this idea is false. >> <<
- Kira
COuld urahara planned to create hollow ichigo long ago?
Theory
Hougou gives the ability for both shigami and hollow to exist in one body.
EVer since rukia gave ichigo her powers, ichigo gained shigami powers and also the ability to contain a hollow. So urahara purposely used that method regain ichigo powers and planned ichigo to gain both shigami and hollow powers at the same time...
Except Rukia gave her powers to Ichigo a long time before she got her fake body (Which the thing was inside).
NoSanninWa
2005-12-20, 04:17
??
No, she got her fake body in episode 2. She was using the gigai that Uruhara gave her when she showed up in school. It has been devouring her spiritual power ever since. That's the reason that she hadn't regained her strength.
wingdarkness
2005-12-20, 06:01
^ Well that has to prove that Urahara had hindsight...He had to know that SS members would come for Rukia after she did such a punishible thing (transfer her powers)...His readiness to teach Ichigo techniques to sneak in SS and save her had to be part of some contingency he planned before hand...What's funny is that he never seemed anxious or overly concearned with the task of saving her (He basically put the ball in Ichigo's court)...Maybe he's just that slick or perhaps he had to let the gigai body be transported to SS for his scenerio to play out :eek:...
Elvanvitar
2005-12-20, 09:18
...???? When a human dies they become a spirit. Said spirit can do a few things.
1) Stick around and eventually become a Hollow.
2) Get eatten by a Hollow and become a Hollow.
3) Become a Shinigami.
4) Have a soul burial performed by a Shinigami on them and move to Rukongai where they still have the possibility of becoming a shinigami.
5) Go to Hell.
If you want to know what happens when someone goes Hollow-->Shinigami or Shinigami-->Hollow, you'll have to read a spoiler. LATEST MANGA SPOILERS - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
Edit by Moderator: Spoilers are NOT allowed in this thread, even in spoiler tags!
If you didn't read the spoiler, suffice to say that, um, this idea is false. >> <<
- Kira
I'm up to date with the Manga. And yes I know that's what happens when a human dies. But Ichigo has never died. Therefore he shouldn't have shinigami powers. Maybe what Urahara did is the only way for humans that are alive to gain shinigami powers, other than the power transfer method.
Kawakanai
2005-12-20, 21:31
I've never read the manga, Anime fan only.
I was curious if there isn't connection between hollow-Ichigo and the one episode with the Rukia flashback to the Lieutenant who died after the hollow merged with him (and consumed his wife)?
That guy looked a lot like Ichigo without the orange hair and seemed to have a similar personality. After watching that ep, I got the impression that current Ichigo is a reincarnation of that lieutenant that died in front of Rukia (explaining Ichigo's super-protectiveness of Rukia). And as a reincarnation, Ichigo's soul is forever melded with that hollow that was in the process of devouring him when the lieutenant was killed. Therefore, Ichigo's soul has always been tainted with a hollow's since the start because of this past history- it's just that he didn't have the power levels for the hollow to 'come out and play' until now.
I also think that this might explain Ichigo's ability to see ghosts from the outset and how he was able to take Rukia's shinigami power so readily at the start of the series, he was a shinigami before.
(As a side note, Ichigo didn't seem too surprised when the mask came out in the fight with Byakyuya a few eps back, so I wonder if he had to confront Hollow-Ichigo at the end of his Bankai practice?)
Again, haven't read the manga and am not looking for manga spoilers but possibilities presented in the Bleach anime thus far.
Hidden Heart
2005-12-20, 22:52
I wonder If Aizen would win in afight against Yamamoto Genryuusai Shigekuni (1rst squad captain)
Note: anime fan only
I think Aizen would win
i know this is a little late to bring up... but did anyone notice the when aizen was stuck up the wall, he was stabbed with his own sword? just wondering...
NoSanninWa
2005-12-21, 01:23
I've never read the manga, Anime fan only.
I was curious if there isn't connection between hollow-Ichigo and the one episode with the Rukia flashback to the Lieutenant who died after the hollow merged with him (and consumed his wife)?
That guy looked a lot like Ichigo without the orange hair and seemed to have a similar personality. After watching that ep, I got the impression that current Ichigo is a reincarnation of that lieutenant that died in front of Rukia (explaining Ichigo's super-protectiveness of Rukia). And as a reincarnation, Ichigo's soul is forever melded with that hollow that was in the process of devouring him when the lieutenant was killed. Therefore, Ichigo's soul has always been tainted with a hollow's since the start because of this past history- it's just that he didn't have the power levels for the hollow to 'come out and play' until now.
... Again, haven't read the manga and am not looking for manga spoilers but possibilities presented in the Bleach anime thus far.
That's an interesting question. I hope that nobody is tempted to respond to it from a manga reader's perspective because I'm really getting tired of banning people who post in this thread. :(
i know this is a little late to bring up... but did anyone notice the when aizen was stuck up the wall, he was stabbed with his own sword? just wondering...
Since it was an illusion, does it matter? An illusion of Aizen was stabbed with an illusion of Aizen's sword. There wasn't any actual stabbing, swords or bodies involved. Only the wall was real and I have my doubts about the wall. ;)
killing the dream
2005-12-21, 08:14
I have a question about ep. 61,
i put spoilers just in case
when it shows Aizen explaining hyougo , he describes the different kind of hollows he experimented with, and it flashes back to the Hollow that consumed Shiba, and the huge hollow that almost killed Hisagi, Renji, Hinamori and Kira
did Aizen create these hollows?
Nightengale
2005-12-21, 08:58
I have a question about ep. 61,
i put spoilers just in case
when it shows Aizen explaining hyougo , he describes the different kind of hollows he experimented with, and it flashes back to the Hollow that consumed Shiba, and the huge hollow that almost killed Hisagi, Renji, Hinamori and Kira
did Aizen create these hollows?
Yes.
Ever wondered why a big shot like him came out personally as reinforcements?
Hidden Heart
2005-12-21, 09:08
I wonder how the "Gin, Aizen, and Tousen gone evil" news affected 10th squad lieutenant (dont know her name) She seems to have some relationship with Gin as it has shown him and her in several flashbacks
Ichimaru
2005-12-21, 09:37
That vice-captain to GIN, she probaly has a crush on him or obsess with his smiles :D, anyway this GIN character is awesome. Is he even under Aizens spell or not cause he seems to move freely on his own actions and aizen doesnt mind to care.
more shoking than finding out aizen is the bad guy
kurotsuchi mayuri is a bish!
animemaster
2005-12-21, 22:46
he is trying to go from shinigami to hollow to gain more power, he doesn't know that ichigo can already do that. I want to see the face he puts when he finds out.
that episode will be great!!!
NoSanninWa
2005-12-22, 01:23
more shoking than finding out aizen is the bad guy,
kurotsuchi mayuri is a bish!
Having read the manga, I was extremely shocked by that! In the manga he is horribly disfigured. Perhaps someone would like to post a picture of the earless Mayuri?
Mitsuomi1971
2008-07-22, 07:32
Well since it is up to ep 180 lol...I will just post thoughts for the show till now...it seems that Matsumoto indeed did have a relationship of some sort perhaps they will elaborate later...and the fact is...Aizen does not care about Gin because Aizen is stronger than Gin, period.
Darn, it has been a while, hasn't it? :) It was indicated about 2 and a half years ago that there had been something going on in the past between Gin and Matsumoto. Alas, even now the past between those two have yet to be explored. And the way things are moving, it might be another 2 and a half years before Kubo takes enough pity on his fans to let us in on the secret between the conniving Gin and well endowed Matsumoto.
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