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http://akaitsuki.net/index.html
Wtf? Could someone please translate this? I can't read everything there...
Didn't hear of an anime coming up oO
(hope that thread doesn't exist, couldn't find it)
Dragnfly@Gamefaqs
2005-12-21, 18:38
It did exist before the wipe. Yup. Disgaea anime.
Oh, and for anyone that doesn't know, Moon-Phase seems to be listing it as starting in Spring 2006 :D Finally a more concrete date, I've been looking forward to this since it was first announced a while back.
Daniel E.
2005-12-31, 22:33
Oh, and for anyone that doesn't know, Moon-Phase seems to be listing it as starting in Spring 2006 :D Finally a more concrete date, I've been looking forward to this since it was first announced a while back.
That's good to hear. I too have been waiting for quite a while now. :D
The anime is soon coming, I can't read Japanese so I don't exactly know when.
I see January 20th on the main page but I don't know what thats for.
Disgaea Anime site (http://akaitsuki.net/welcome.html)
Trailer (http://youtube.com/w/Disgaea---Anime-Trailer?v=CwAgDGNwRhQ&search=disgaea)
It looks about as good as an anime representation could be, which fills me with Joy.
I can't wait for the time at which my eyes will explode from my head.
Seems like it is broadcasting on January 20th
I used http://www.worldlingo.com/en/products_services/worldlingo_translator.html to translate the site into english =]
Dragnfly@Gamefaqs
2006-01-07, 09:06
I have but one wish. Flonne shoots somebody. I worked very hard to make Flonne a handgun master in that game and I wanna see it animated out, even if it's just in a dream sequence or comedic moment.
20th January? =o That's... sudden.
*celebrates*
I have but one wish. Flonne shoots somebody. I worked very hard to make Flonne a handgun master in that game and I wanna see it animated out, even if it's just in a dream sequence or comedic moment.
*left her in the base panel >.>*
Seems like it is broadcasting on January 20th
I used http://www.worldlingo.com/en/products_services/worldlingo_translator.html to translate the site into english =]
It appears that date refers to the next episode of Makai he Youkosou!!, the little podcast thingy they're doing, rather than the series itself.
It appears that date refers to the next episode of Makai he Youkosou!!, the little podcast thingy they're doing, rather than the series itself.
Noooooooooo :( Oh well, I thought it was kind of fast.
In other news, Moonphase now has Disgaea as 2006/04 (i.e. April). 3 months to go :D
ChibiGoku
2006-01-07, 16:20
By the way, judging from the way the picture is stretched, I'm assuming the person didn't add letterboxing to when they uploaded the video.
YouTube Video:
http://www.sonicfighters.com/FightingMagic/Pictures/Disgaea/Stretched4x30000.jpeg
Correct Aspect Ratio?:
http://www.sonicfighters.com/FightingMagic/Pictures/Disgaea/Stretched0000.jpeg
YouTube Video:
http://www.sonicfighters.com/FightingMagic/Pictures/Disgaea/Stretched4x320001.jpeg
Correct Aspect Ratio?:
http://www.sonicfighters.com/FightingMagic/Pictures/Disgaea/Stretched20001.jpeg
YouTube Video:
http://www.sonicfighters.com/FightingMagic/Pictures/Disgaea/Stretched4x320000.jpeg
Correct Aspect Ratio?:
http://www.sonicfighters.com/FightingMagic/Pictures/Disgaea/Stretched20000.jpeg
Kamui4356
2006-01-07, 16:54
I have but one wish. Flonne shoots somebody. I worked very hard to make Flonne a handgun master in that game and I wanna see it animated out, even if it's just in a dream sequence or comedic moment.
Flonne with a gun. heh heh I just gave her a bow. Then I spent most of my time in the item world so I could get the bow to give her just as much int as a wand. :heh:
As for the series, I'm looking foward to it. I hope they handle it well. Video games don't really have that great a history of quality anime adaptions...:uhoh: Unfortunately, Disgaea seems like it would be easy to screw up.
Disgaea anime teaser 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXQgxnhz5QY&search=disgaea
It seems they modified animation a bit from the first one. Honestly, it looks awesome
CelesAurivern
2006-02-25, 16:34
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4201/baal7bd.jpg
超魔王Baal = win!
This series is destined to have it's own subforum, mark my words :D
Daniel E.
2006-02-26, 02:25
That preview was pretty cool. Hope the series is just as good. :)
I have but one wish. Flonne shoots somebody. I worked very hard to make Flonne a handgun master in that game and I wanna see it animated out, even if it's just in a dream sequence or comedic moment.
I wanna see Ninja Flonne...............Nin-Nin :heh:
EDIT: Oh yeah, before anyone that hasn't played the game freaks out; The whole thing about Ninja Flonne is not a spoiler from the game, Is just a side joke with no importance whatsoever to the main storyline.
This is so awesome! I just watched the teaser trailer and the art and animation look pretty good, looks like they got a pretty good budget for this one. Damnit now I'm dying to see this!
Please let this be good, please let this be good, please let this be good...
I mean, it's Disgaea. It deserves to be awesome.
On another note...
Didn't the teaser trailer already kinda-sorta spoil (or at least hint at) one of the endings? Flonne as a flower and all that.
Very much looking forward to this anime.
EDIT: It's been a while since I've played the game, but a few things I'd love to see included:
- Ninja Flonne.
- Prinny baseball.
- The Prism Rangers.
- ... actually, just the entire forest sequence (Laharl's challenge).
- The revealing of ages.
- Etna's Next Episode previews.
Did anyone actually buy this production DVD that was used for the fansub material? If so, is there anything resembling a list of production staff (that is more comprehensive than the one on the site)? If anyone has this and can screen shot it or scan and post it or anything, please do. Currently trying to find anything more to substantiate a 3rd hand comment that Geneon USA is involved in the creation of the show.
CelesAurivern
2006-02-27, 07:28
trying to find anything more to substantiate a 3rd hand comment that Geneon USA is involved in the creation of the show.
Geneon Entertainment JAPAN is involved.
ChibiGoku
2006-02-27, 12:10
Correct. The only actual mention in the anime was Geneon JAPAN, and I believe this was during the interview. (NOT the one at GameSpot. There was one on the anime dvd) There's been all sorts of confusion in regards to geneon's involvement. I won't be exactly surprised if Geneon brings it over (considering Geneon Japan is working on this).
This says that NIA came out and said that Geneon USA is on it too.
http://www.siliconera.com/2006/02/17/more-disgaea-anime-details/#more-898
ChibiGoku
2006-02-27, 17:32
This says that NIA came out and said that Geneon USA is on it too.
http://www.siliconera.com/2006/02/17/more-disgaea-anime-details/#more-898
I'd wait till Geneon releases an announcement on this. While it's true the news source could be correct, I'd actually hope to see an announcement from Geneon's end. Remember when King Records said FUNimation had Beck? FUNimation continues, even now, to deny they have it.
CelesAurivern
2006-02-27, 20:48
I'd wait till Geneon releases an announcement on this.
Geneon is a very good company :D
Geneon <3 :love:
Please let this be good, please let this be good, please let this be good...
I mean, it's Disgaea. It deserves to be awesome.
On another note...
Didn't the teaser trailer already kinda-sorta spoil (or at least hint at) one of the endings? Flonne as a flower and all that.
Very much looking forward to this anime.
EDIT: It's been a while since I've played the game, but a few things I'd love to see included:
- Ninja Flonne.
- Prinny baseball.
- The Prism Rangers.
- ... actually, just the entire forest sequence (Laharl's challenge).
- The revealing of ages.
- Etna's Next Episode previews.
Personally, I'm hoping that they'll cover some of the sidestory elements of the game (because they were too much fun...)
- Retrieving the zombie 'pets'
- The picnic chapter (probably a whole episode for this one)
- The castle bodyguards (I was going to says Laharl's guards, but they don't really help much at all do they...)
Daniel E.
2006-03-03, 12:59
Personally, I'm hoping that they'll cover some of the sidestory elements of the game (because they were too much fun...)
The more I remember about the game, the harder it seems for everything to make the final cut in the anime.
The game has so many interesting 'little jokes' here and there, that putting them all in a 12 episode show will end up being quite hard.
The more I remember about the game, the harder it seems for everything to make the final cut in the anime.
The game has so many interesting 'little jokes' here and there, that putting them all in a 12 episode show will end up being quite hard. As long as the show ends with Flonne becoming a fallen angel and sporting a red bodysuit/leotard under her white gown, I'm sure Disgaea fans could accept some cuts from the story in order to fit into twelve episodes.
Daniel E.
2006-03-03, 13:27
As long as the show ends with Flonne becoming a fallen angel and sporting a red bodysuit/leotard under her white gown, I'm sure Disgaea fans could accept some cuts from the story in order to fit into twelve episodes.
I am pretty sure that will be on the show. I mean, THAT MUST APPEAR in the show. I dont even want to think about the anime ending the 'other' way.
Catgirls
2006-03-06, 16:28
I cut these two GIFs from the "Disgaea2 Intro". Not sure who they are (never played the game). Use them if you want to.
http://i2.tinypic.com/qwzm1f.gif http://i2.tinypic.com/qwzm6d.gif
http://i2.tinypic.com/qwzm92.gif http://i2.tinypic.com/qwzmdz.gif
Radiosity
2006-03-10, 12:33
Just got round to watching the Preview of this. OMG, if the series can keep up that sort of crazy, fun, mad, laugh-a-second action without getting too serious, I'll be a very happy bunny indeed. And Flonne is just way too cute :)
I want Prism Rangers!!
I loved the preview, especially the beginning when she tried to wake Laharl up. I loved the game and I think I'll love the Anime as well ^^
maohayato
2006-03-15, 16:53
I cut these two GIFs from the "Disgaea2 Intro". Not sure who they are (never played the game). Use them if you want to.
http://i2.tinypic.com/qwzm1f.gif http://i2.tinypic.com/qwzm6d.gif
http://i2.tinypic.com/qwzm92.gif http://i2.tinypic.com/qwzmdz.gif
female is rosalind
male is adel
both are main characters in disgaea2
and you MUST play it.
Just wanted to start a thread about Disgae.. o.o
Am I tooo early? Omg, well I started the first topic.
That must mean I am famous. :D
Well, bring ur comments, bad clips and more.. :D
Firstly, its Disgaea you forgot an A on both spellings. Now then, I've played the game and it was really fantastic. Loved everything about it. I can see an Anime easily spawned from it too. I'll probably check it out when I can get back into my house (recently kicked out)
solwyvern
2006-03-21, 00:12
Secondly, the animation/drawing style in the Disgaea anime, sucks. big time.
compare with the disgaea 2 teaser.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnjlx3WS4W4&search=disgaea%202
Flonne is WAY hotter. :D
A thread already exists which you should have searched for first.
Radiosity
2006-03-21, 01:43
True, Flonne doesn't look anywhere near as good in the anime so far. Etna though, looks cheeky, cute, and devillish, in a very good way IMHO. Strange really, because I used to prefer Flonne, but now much prefer Etna. We shall have to wait and see what the anime delivers though.
All I can offer is this retarded gif AV of Laharl
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/8959/laharl1db.gif
I want Prism Rangers!!
I loved the preview, especially the beginning when she tried to wake Laharl up. I loved the game and I think I'll love the Anime as well ^^
BLLLLLLLLLLLLLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEE
YEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW
:heh:
Thewanderer
2006-03-21, 04:14
I hope they keep Laharl's game dub VA for the anime dub. That voice was perfect for him.
Radiosity
2006-03-21, 06:58
Download the promo and see for yourself. The voice they've used fits great IMHO, but then I havne't played the game, so it could be different.
Shin_Battousai
2006-03-21, 07:16
Radiosity: i haven't had a chance but surely the promo's in Japanese and Thewanderer is talking about the game and anime dub.
Radiosity
2006-03-21, 07:48
Ah yeah, good point, he does say 'dub'. My bad :)
Daniel E.
2006-03-21, 11:20
I hope they keep Laharl's game dub VA for the anime dub. That voice was perfect for him.
I actually hope they use the song "The Invasion from Within". As a matter of fact, I would love to hear the song in the japanese version as well.
I actually hope they use the song "The Invasion from Within". As a matter of fact, I would love to hear the song in the japanese version as well.
Unlikely. The song was never originally in the game, Atlus simply added it in the localised version for... some reason. The only way I can imagine it getting into the anime is if whoever will be handling the localisation put it in, but since anime companies can get away with less than game companies, I doubt that will happen.
lavielove
2006-03-21, 19:15
Secondly, the animation/drawing style in the Disgaea anime, sucks. big time.
compare with the disgaea 2 teaser.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnjlx3WS4W4&search=disgaea%202
Flonne is WAY hotter. :D
It's not the animation style that suck in that clip, that's the quality of the video that suck.I watched raw already, alot better.That's the clip from game,not an offcial teaser,just like Fate/Stay Night having a clip in the game.
Black_Sharingan
2006-04-04, 17:07
This anime should be starting today, right? Does anyone has any info on it?
Catgirls
2006-04-04, 17:12
This anime should be starting today, right? Does anyone has any info on it?There might be some info. in the already existing Disgaea thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=26685&highlight=Disgaea).
Who is Laharl's seiyuu? He sounds familiar?
Kaori Mizuhashi (Ai / ARIA The Animation - ARIA The Natural; Yuuno Scraia / Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha - Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha A's)
dxgarten
2006-04-04, 17:35
Screencaps of the first episode (http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/makai_senka_disgaea_ep1.html)
I haven't played the game but judging from various summary, the anime is slightly different from the game.
Who is Laharl's seiyuu? He sounds familiar?
Screencaps of the first episode (http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/makai_senka_disgaea_ep1.html)
I haven't played the game but judging from various summary, the anime is slightly different from the game.
Yep. Let's see...
- Flonne wakes Laharl up instead of Etna.
- Flonne falls through the floor instead of everyone's favourite "Nin~ Nin~" sneaking scene.
- Gordon appears at the end of the first half... instead of about 3/4 of the way through the entire game.
- Flonne fights Laharl with her dragon at the end of the episode... instead of the end of the second chapter when he chases after her.
- Etna appears 20 seconds before the end of the episode instead of right at the very beginning.
- Flonne's pendant is found by Thursday instead of being stolen by Vulcanus.
...I'm sure there's more, I just can't be bothered pointing out every single one. The OP isn't very good, the ED is average, the animation's average, and the whole thing is very... average. The background music's taken from the game for the most part, with some alterations to make it flow better. Each song is still recognisable though.
Who is Laharl's seiyuu? He sounds familiar?
She's Kaori Mizuhashi (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=5179)
DEMON-LOLI FOR THE WIN!
I love Etna!
DEMON-LOLI FOR THE WIN!
I love Etna!
So do the rest of the fans. That's why she got 16 seconds of airtime :p
i haven't played the game yet, but i have to admit so far this is pretty funny.
justsomeguy
2006-04-04, 20:46
Sucktastic crap. What a shame. The game made me laugh. This show didn't. Should've stuck with the original plot. Exactly what do the writers plan to turn this show into? A kid's mindless action show or something? And are they planning a Flonne ending?
Loooong booooring OP.
Mediocre ED.
FAIL on the very first episode. I'll watch the next episode for Etna, but if it doesn't get better, that would be it.
This may turn out to be the Negima of 2006.
Crimen Scythe
2006-04-04, 20:50
the game is awesome, i hope the anime fulfills my expectations...*waits for subs*
MrProphet
2006-04-04, 21:12
This was incredibly funny and stupid and then funny again.
Animation is uneven, but I just couldn't stop laughing at the whole thing, especially Flash Gordon and the penguins.
Never played the game, but this is just a riot. 8)
hi no ken Jebus
2006-04-04, 21:21
This was a bit of a let down. Like mentioned above everything is pretty average although that was what I expected after that promo which was mighty deceiving:heh: I don't really care about them not following the game so it should be interesting to see what kind of story they go for. I think is going for 12 eps so hopefully the animation picks up later on .
- Flonne falls through the floor instead of everyone's favourite "Nin~ Nin~" sneaking scene.
Noooooo! They can't just cut out the funniest parts of the game like that. I hope we'll at least get to see the Prism Rangers.
Oh well... maybe it's better to keep my expectations low, so I won't be too disappointed. I had great hopes for this one but we'll see how it turns out...
I hope you guys are just being picky. :upset:
I hope you guys are just being picky. :upset:
No, they are just complaining because they expected a direct Game->Anime conversion which this is not. Therefore, they should stop whining about how it doesn't match the game.
justsomeguy
2006-04-05, 00:19
No, they are just complaining because they expected a direct Game->Anime conversion which this is not. Therefore, they should stop whining about how it doesn't match the game.
No, we are complaining because this was not funny in any way.
That Episode was strange. I mean the "Etna waking up Laharl" part was in the Promo, but in the Episode they changed it completely.
Flonne waking him up, Gordon coming already in the first Episode (even before Etna and Vyers)
I'm kinda disappointed atm :< It wasnt that well done and if they'd adapted the game story I'd have laughed alot more. WHERE'S my nin~ nin~ scene?! q.q
Well, Etna and Prinnies next time. I'm just disappointed that Gordon arrived that early and stuff... Didn't really fit together.
KBTKaiser
2006-04-05, 09:47
not even 5 minutes in and there's a Giant Mecha reference.
Double Tomahawk Boomerang, anyone? XD
The first episode, to me, felt kind of like Azumanga Daiou - The very short movie. That is, in the way it tried to take many jokes and events from the original work and tried to squish them all in a short period of time.
I get the feeling they're trying to get a whole lot of things out of the way so they can get the real thing started. I suppose not a bad idea, since they only have 12 episodes to work with, but it did make the first episode kind of...
Well, it's still fun. And it's only the first episode, after all.
The opening sequence could be a bit less cliché, though. There's no need to compete with Karin.
Kaoru Chujo
2006-04-05, 13:58
Fortunately for me, I have never played the game. I was still not overwhelmed, though. Funny in places. The two girls were good. Laharl, however, could get very, very old for me if he continues to be a one-note snarly.
Conan-san
2006-04-05, 14:27
I've played up to chapter 2 (just got it monday with FFX) so I understand the sorta urks here, but I'm not too fussed, the last time an anime tried stright up game : anime, it went tits up (Xenosaga: The Animation).
Also, i'll be kind enough to look the other way if they go ahead and use "Dood" in the fansubs.
Dragnfly@Gamefaqs
2006-04-05, 18:36
Whoever subs it had better use Dood in the fansubs! It'd be a travesty not to.
And I'm kinda glad it didn't stick to the game. I loved the game a lot (own both versions) but if I wanna laugh at the game's jokes I'll play the game again. This is fresh and while the animation and scriptwork is fairly average it has the chance to pick up whereas if it followed the game it'd be a complete and total failure for me.
Radiosity
2006-04-05, 18:57
AnimeU are subbing it, don't know who else though. I'm looking forward to AnimeU's though, I like their translations (Shuffle for example) and the promo was just too funny. Hoping for good things still. Especially since I've not played the game and therefore have zero preconceived notions of how it should be :)
BluWacky
2006-04-05, 19:00
I've played up to chapter 2 (just got it monday with FFX) so I understand the sorta urks here, but I'm not too fussed, the last time an anime tried stright up game : anime, it went tits up (Xenosaga: The Animation).
The Xenosaga animation is nothing like the game, though - that random Realian that appeared in the first episode, and whatever the HELL they did to the Encephalon section of the game...*shudders* Besides, it had a shit budget and was animated by Toei, it was bound to be crap.
I've not played Disgaea, and I've only watched the OP of the anime so I can't comment on it yet.
Daniel E.
2006-04-05, 20:36
I never expected the anime to follow the game chapter by chapter. Still, the huge amount of differences certainly took me by surprise.
Let's just wait and see. :D
ChibiGoku
2006-04-05, 22:51
AnimeU are subbing it, don't know who else though. I'm looking forward to AnimeU's though, I like their translations (Shuffle for example) and the promo was just too funny. Hoping for good things still. Especially since I've not played the game and therefore have zero preconceived notions of how it should be :)
Kind of sad, but Anime-U had the worst translation between Mine (FM-Osu!) and SD_Project's Promo. We were both kind of even on the translation part area for the Promo. (SD and FM-Osu!) (few line differences, nothing big.)
- Laharl got powerlevelled.
- I really miss the Nin~nin~, but I'm holding out hope that it'll turn up sometime later.
- I really wasn't happy with the way Flonne happily accepted it when Laharl called her flat-chested. That scene in the game (although Etna should have been there) was one of the funniest, in my opinion.
- I hated Gordon in the game, hated him here.
- Flonne was surprisingly well-done, overall.
- Etna episode preview! Somehow it lacked the impact of the game, but maybe that's because I was already expecting it. And it wasn't as completely divorced from reality as the game "episode previews" were...
Overall, I'd say that this is an okay episode. Not great, but not too shabby. Of course, that's taking it alone without consideration of its source, which makes it a damned shame that it simply doesn't live up to the game's feel or humour. (It doesn't have to have the same jokes, but should have the same quality.)
I suppose what I was expecting was indeed a straight game-to-anime conversion. Which would have worked (at least in my mind), seeing as the game was already divided into episodes.
I'll be following this anime anyway, unless it goes downhill horribly quickly. It's still an anime that would be okay to recommend as a time-waster, with the caveat that the game is much, much, much better.
Conan-san
2006-04-06, 05:57
The Xenosaga animation is nothing like the game, though - that random Realian that appeared in the first episode, and whatever the HELL they did to the Encephalon section of the game...*shudders* Besides, it had a shit budget and was animated by Toei, it was bound to be crap..My Point exactly, it went tits up.
Also, wasn't Flonne sorta wierdingn out at that point (when she was called flat?) or was that somthing else?
Such a cool episode I'm so gonna keep geting the subs, thank you AnimeU.
The opening song is horrendous. (This is lower=worse on the suck scale than suck. ) The ed is equally bad. However, the series itself is amusing despite not being a direct conversion. I can see why the people hate it though.
The subs though are going to make people like it more than they should because they took artistic license.
KBTKaiser
2006-04-10, 09:23
Personally, I thought the OP's style was done similar to Disgaea 2, minus the upbeat feel in a way.
Does anyone know how many volumes of Disgaea manga are out there, is it ongoing?
I've a bad feeling the anime implementation is pretty shallow and "one joke-ish" --- a shame because the character design has potential. Hopefully, the subs aren't taking a "Whats up, Tiger Lily?" approach (aka completely rewriting originally banal dialog). If the dialog sucks, it should be left to suck. About to find out for myself in a few minutes here.
Feels like the departure from the game and the manga is an attempt to target a younger audience...which does make the anime seem pretty shallow.
Oh well, I'll give it a couple more episodes to see if there is any improvement and then decide whether to continue watching it or drop it.
LordStrafe
2006-04-10, 11:58
Hmmm. I like the show, for what it is. But... I have to say, I think I'm a little disappointed w/ AnimeU's translation.
They take a lot of liberties, which I tend to not be fond of. "Bring it, don't sing it"? Ugh... If I wanted to watch an Americanized translation, I'd wait for Viz to sub it...
Which, I guess, is a little harsh to say about AnimeU. I'm sure they work hard on it and everything. I just wish they didn't take so many liberties. That, and the font they use is a little hard to read.
Daniel E.
2006-04-10, 13:28
I guess it's time to blame the promos. :heh:
They sure drove some peoples expectations quite high.
Yeah I have nothing against a new story, having already played the game. I just wish it wasn't so contrived, it doesn't seem like they captured the essence behind the characters at all. It seems like a typical 'bag-of-tricks' plot with no real coherence or thought by the creators into who is doing what and why. Unless this one is a slow starter, all I can say is the jokes draw more groans than laughs and the plot seems to be ignoreable.
Hmmm. I like the show, for what it is. But... I have to say, I think I'm a little disappointed w/ AnimeU's translation.
They take a lot of liberties, which I tend to not be fond of. "Bring it, don't sing it"? Ugh... If I wanted to watch an Americanized translation, I'd wait for Viz to sub it...
Which, I guess, is a little harsh to say about AnimeU. I'm sure they work hard on it and everything. I just wish they didn't take so many liberties. That, and the font they use is a little hard to read.
AnimeU did the same thing in Shuffle! Sometimes it worked when they were channeling the "spirit" of the comment, having the character say it the way an American might convey the same thought. Thats a risky road and can lead to unintended meaning though. There's no real answer to that, some people prefer as literal as translation as possible adjusted for grammar, others prefer more flair.
Thats why I like to see more than one group subbing a series - for comparative translations. I pretty much view their work as "more of a set of guidelines than an actual code" (Jack Sparrow :) )
Having seen the first ep... listened to what was said versus what was written.... in some cases I thought it was an improvement over the actual dialog. Other than the cute character designs of Flonne and Etona (sp?), I don't see a lot to recommend yet. I'll give it the usual 3 eps. Caveat: I've not ever even seen the game so I have zero expectations or prejudice.
AnimeU did the same thing in Shuffle! Sometimes it worked when they were channeling the "spirit" of the comment, having the character say it the way an American might convey the same thought. Thats a risky road and can lead to unintended meaning though. There's no real answer to that, some people prefer as literal as translation as possible adjusted for grammar, others prefer more flair.
....
Having seen the first ep... listened to what was said versus what was written.... in some cases I thought it was an improvement over the actual dialog. Other than the cute character designs of Flonne and Etona (sp?), I don't see a lot to recommend yet. I'll give it the usual 3 eps. Caveat: I've not ever even seen the game so I have zero expectations or prejudice.
Fansubbers are supposed to translate the anime. Not localize it. If there is something there that doesnt translate, only then should it be converted to an english equivalent.
Ex: Pettanko does not mean "flat as a board". It means flat-chested.
That said... when I said they took artistic license, that was a nice way of saying: They made up a good part of the translation. It was HORRENDOUSLY bad.
DragoonKain3
2006-04-10, 21:09
Having watched all (to my knowledge anyway) of AnimeU's translated anime, I have grown to like it. At first, it's pretty jarring, since fansub watchers including myself are so used to literal translations. Later on one'll get used to it at least, just like one'll get to used to some groups not doing karaoke or others cutting out 'this program has been brought to you by' sequences. In this person's opinion, I think AnimeU's liberties with the translation is what makes AnimeU, well, AnimeU. Makes them stand out pretty well from the rest of the fansub scene. Some won't like it, but hey, no one's forcing them to watch AnimeU's translation, no? And considering, as of this writing, 2.2k peers are seeders alone for the disgaea episode, I think they're content, if not quite happy with AnimeU's subs.
Fansubbers are supposed to translate the anime. Not localize it.
All due respect, but there isn't any rule that restricts fansubbers on how the want to translate their subs. If they want to incorporate some English slang into it, then that's their right. After all, they're doing this for free, and so what say do we have in how they do things?
As long as they carry the spirit of the original message, as long as the dialogue exchange makes sense, and as long as the grammar is understandable, this person has no problem with whatever they want to do with their translations.
BTW, 'flat as a board' and 'flat-chested' mean pretty much the same thing, no? XD
Fansubbers are supposed to translate the anime. Not localize it. If there is something there that doesnt translate, only then should it be converted to an english equivalent.
As having worked in fansubbing before, this is wrong. Being able to add proper characterization to the characters in a series goes a long way in differentiating between a good sub, and a simple literal sub. How people perceive the characters will be influenced by how the dialogue is translated. For a lot of shows, if you just literally translate everything word for word, the characters come off as stiff and lifeless. It is part of the job of the translators to bring to the translation the characterization in the show. For example, in historical pieces, it isn't easy to portray the difference between upper class/nobility with common folk/peasants if the translation is done literally word for word. The translators have to take some liberties to ensure that the proper dialogue is written to convey the difference in characters and class.
I have a question about the game (I know it's a thread for the anime, but I'm hoping one of you can just answer it quickly). Is it localized for the US and what platform is it on?
I have a question about the game (I know it's a thread for the anime, but I'm hoping one of you can just answer it quickly). Is it localized for the US and what platform is it on? The game has been out for years in English. It is available for the PS2.
Some won't like it, but hey, no one's forcing them to watch AnimeU's translation, no? And considering, as of this writing, 2.2k peers are seeders alone for the disgaea episode, I think they're content, if not quite happy with AnimeU's subs. They are the only sub available so far and its far easier to grab a fansub than to leech a raw. Also, thousands leech the bleech subber of the week, this doesn't make it good.
All due respect, but there isn't any rule that restricts fansubbers on how the want to translate their subs. If they want to incorporate some English slang into it, then that's their right. After all, they're doing this for free, and so what say do we have in how they do things?
As long as they carry the spirit of the original message, as long as the dialogue exchange makes sense, and as long as the grammar is understandable, this person has no problem with whatever they want to do with their translations.
You are right, there is no set rule. But not inventing translations is a rule. There were some very creative translations there.
BTW, 'flat as a board' and 'flat-chested' mean pretty much the same thing, no? XD
Yes, and no. "Flat as a board" is usually used more in a insulting manner and "flat-chested" is usually used more in a descriptive manner.
As having worked in fansubbing before, this is wrong. Being able to add proper characterization to the characters in a series goes a long way in differentiating between a good sub, and a simple literal sub. How people perceive the characters will be influenced by how the dialogue is translated. For a lot of shows, if you just literally translate everything word for word, the characters come off as stiff and lifeless. It is part of the job of the translators to bring to the translation the characterization in the show.I am not saying that a not literal sub != good. I am saying inventing dialogue for a character = horrible translation. Examples being adding curse words when there were none. There is another group that tends to do this to songs by running the words through a thesaurus after translation. The songs lose a lot when they do this. People are not that stupid that they need to the subs to be in the characters method of speaking (except when they speak in very bizzare ways which does not happen in this show.) Flonne is cute (and her literal dialogue is) and Laharl is a cheeky bastard (and he is literally short spoken, to the point, and rough).
For example, in historical pieces, it isn't easy to portray the difference between upper class/nobility with common folk/peasants if the translation is done literally word for word. The translators have to take some liberties to ensure that the proper dialogue is written to convey the difference in characters and class.A proper literal translation WOULD give off these differences because they are very clearly indiciated in the Japanese. A literal translation includes every single nuance that is in the original. This is how you can tell a good translation from a bad one.
Don't sing it, bring it. vs Bring it on. The left one is what was put, the right was what was literally said. They carry almost the same everything except one is what he exactly said one and is what the editor put. The left actually loses the whole being to the point part.
justsomeguy
2006-04-10, 23:18
A proper literal translation WOULD give off these differences because they are very clearly indiciated in the Japanese. A literal translation includes every single nuance that is in the original. This is how you can tell a good translation from a bad one.
Nevermind the fact that words in Asian languages carry more meaning than words in Western languages. A literal translation would fill up the entire screen with detailed analyses of each word. :rolleyes:
Yes, and no. "Flat as a board" is usually used more in a insulting manner and "flat-chested" is usually used more in a descriptive manner. I have dated literally a ton of girls, and I have never met one who considered flat-chested anything but insulting (unless they just didn't care one way or the other). I think what you meant to say was that "Flat as a board" is _more_ insulting than "flat-chested", which I'd agree with. I am not saying that a not literal sub != good. I am saying inventing dialogue for a character = horrible translation. Examples being adding curse words when there were none.
I hate when subbing groups add curse words because they assume that everyone uses them every fifth word.
But then, if it really bothers you, why not just listen to it RAW? That's what I do whenever I don't like the subbing.
aye... the only real reason I even look at subs is to pick one to share with friends who can't follow the dialog. So for them I pick the translation that comes closest to my interpretation of what was said. Thats why I prefer it when multiple groups sub ... most of the better ones crosscheck against each other anyway. Usually I prefer one over the other for most of the eps but occasionally I've selected a different group's effort because a particular sequence was handled more to my liking.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9710/disgaea15jc.gif (http://imageshack.us)
Look, look, -- Words down here!
Over here, - Thank you. Actually, I forgot what I was going to say. Probably cum back to me later...
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/929/disgaea2b8lv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Ok, so that's like, kryptonite to Superman. I don't think I like the looks of -
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/719/disgaea3b5iv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Phew... that was a close one. For a second there I almost thought -
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4269/disgaea4b2bi.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
oh no...
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=disgaea55gd.gif
nOOOO!.. ... .. ... It's the poison, it's for the poison, the poison. GAH!, Yes, can be only that.
I guess it's time to blame the promos. :heh:
They sure drove some peoples expectations quite high.
Slightly funny, generally amusing as seen of the first episode myself. Though if down for the others, eh, I'm sure we'll find ways for them to get it back up.
:hmm:
Juan Valdez
2006-04-11, 02:21
Regarding the fansub, it seemed to me that AnimeU was trying to capture the feel of Atlus' translation of the game. As someone who played Disgaea, the fact that AnimeU used English idioms and figures of speech in their translation made the sub seem more familiar than a literal translation would have been. All and all I liked their translation, even if they took a few creative liberties.
As for the show itself... Meh... I'll give it a chance since I was such a huge fan of the game, but the first episode was a letdown.
I have dated literally a ton of girls, and I have never met one who considered flat-chested anything but insulting (unless they just didn't care one way or the other). I think what you meant to say was that "Flat as a board" is _more_ insulting than "flat-chested", which I'd agree with.
I hate when subbing groups add curse words because they assume that everyone uses them every fifth word.
But then, if it really bothers you, why not just listen to it RAW? That's what I do whenever I don't like the subbing.
I figured he intended to be insulting of Flonne, since almost everything he says to her is in some way insulting.
I haven't seen gratuitous additional profanity too much, though I'd be annoyed if I came across it. In Shuffle!, I remember Mayumi using the word "suck" a lot when the literal translation was rather mild but phrases like "my lunches suck, so what?" just really fit her straightforward personality. On the other hand.... using the word "sweetheart" when almost every dictionary I consulted and two JP teachers suggested "lover" (no, they don't mean the same thing) and the context of the scene heavily implied "lover" -- (Mayumi's "Rin's Lovers" dialog in Shuffle!) is subtracting meaning from the scene.
I suppose we're in danger of derailing the thread into translation wars. In general if you know enough to realize something is being translated oddly - I'd say give yourself a cookie: you're moving into a larger world.
Apparently AnimeU has released a v2. of Disgaea episode 01. Anybody noticed a difference in the translation?
KBTKaiser
2006-04-11, 08:15
they caught Holy Arrow and Blazing Knuckle...wasn't that Wind Cutter that Laharl used against the Gargoyle?
There was no thread so I started one.^_^ What'd you guys think of the first episode?
I thought it was f***ing HILARIOUS. The animation isn't the best but I wasn't expecting it to be. This series feels like it's not a big dramatic thing but it's just for fun. And it is.:D I was afraid they'd give Leharl an annoying high-pitched voice but he got a good seiyuu.:) I thought the music was good too.
The best part was Leharl can't handle big breasts!! :heh: LMAO! The way the his old man died was funny too. XD
*Edit*
Damn, I feel stupid. Should have searched for the thread but I didn't know "Disagea" was only part of the title.
Oh yeah, and you guys who don't like it, will you stop bitching and go watch something else? :P
Apparently AnimeU has released a v2. of Disgaea episode 01. Anybody noticed a difference in the translation?
They fixed the typesetting (its actually readable now!), that one line ~10 min and some of the typos in the op. Otherwise, it seems to be pretty much the same... oh no wait it isnt. There is randomly added -'s for characters. i.e "There is no way..." became "There is -o way".
Munchkin
2006-04-11, 10:47
About Anime Universe's subs... the reason why a lot of you (and myself) do not agree with them is because they "translated" it exactlly how Atlus did in the English released game.
The English "translation" in the game is very poorly done. It is actually dub-titles and there is no text-string for the actual JP voice-overs. Atlus re-did a lot of the dialogue to make it "fit" for American audiences.
I have only watched AU's promo, so I am gonna assume they carried a lot of it over to the actual episode.
For example, Vyers does not call himself the "Dark Adonis" in Japanese. He calls himself the "Beauty Danshaku" which means "Beauty Baron". AU used the game's English term for that, which isn't a correct translation.
A lot of the other things where "stretched out" for instances when Etna just says "Prinny's come on!" AU has it say "Prinny's get your butts over here!". That in itself isn't a correct translation, although it is trying to portray the same image. Another one is "Etna, the castle went boom"... and there are many other things that other people pointed out.
And I don't know if it was brought up yet, but, Atlus also "translated" "Heaven" as "Celestia". Just is something to look out for in case it ever comes up.
But one thing everyone seems to have a problem is translating "denka" which would really mean "your highness". /shrug
AU's sub will probably be liked by the people that liked Atlus's dub. It has that "quirk" like the dub has, which is really a love or hate thing.
I, myself, are waiting until another group does it because I do not like having "dubtitles" shoved down my throat.
Sounds like it'd have been much easier just to translate it the way it was written ... so I guess someone is working very hard to "Atlus-ize" it.
Its hard not to think of that as like "4kids" or the folks who "americanized" Pokemon. .... but eh.... its not like the show has Shakespearean exposition to mangle. However, I'll spend my download pipe budget elsewhere for now until someone else gives it a shot.
I'm sure the majority of you have expressed your concern about our translation style.
I will say this one more time. Anime Universe does use a literal translation style, but it is adapted to a Western context upon editing. This should account for the frequent "slang" and "curse words" which may come up from time to time. Some of you have stated that this is "Americanized" and "dub-titled", among other things. We do this because we sub for a primarily Western audience. The reason why it looks like an American dubbing company did it is because we meant it to look like that.
If you feel uncomfortable watching our subs, we urge you to watch other fansub groups' releases. None of you are being forced to watch our releases, and we don't want to waste our bandwidth giving you something you clearly don't want. Why am I saying this? Several people have been complaining time and time again about how our translation style "sucks" and that we should adopt a more literal style, which they assert is more "accurate" and "faithful" to the original script.
I have news for you. We have no intention of changing our translation style. None of your complaints are going to change our minds. If you feel you're in the right, I invite you to discuss this with me via e-mail or IRC. I think you'd have a better chance of proving your bravado when you're speaking directly to me.
I'll leave this on the table, just like our releases. It's up to you whether you pick it up or not.
Otherwise, quit the bitching. It's pointless and annoying. I think people would rather talk about how they feel about Disgaea rather than bitch about it. You know you who are.
Furthermore, I assume some of you have watched "Shuffle!" and remember how the first episodes were dull and uninteresting. After a few episodes, we literally had to KILL the downloads because you guys just wouldn't stop getting leeching. You've watched one episode of Disgaea. Don't you think it's a little too early to pass judgment on it? Shuffle and Disgaea are both similar in the respect that they are based on a game. I don't know if Shuffle! has been played just as much as Disgaea, but remember that both the game and the series had their respective merits. Give it a chance. This isn't a ploy to manipulate you into downloading our stuff. It's a warning that you may very well regret blowing these kinds of series off.
I certainly don't think AnimeU should change its style ... for the majority of Shuffle, I actually preferred it because it captured the spirit of what they'd be saying without really mucking about too much. The only problem with such an approach is that it has a higher risk of mutating the intent of the scene. With Shuffle!, I found it interesting to compare, say, Froth-Bite, with yours just to watch the translation differences and compare that with my own take on the translation. Primates learn by watching and practicing...
I was probably a bit harsh in my previous post ... its more a case of my available bandwidth budget versus the other shows I'm following rather than concerns about the translation. Disgaea just didn't press my interest buttons as much as I thought, so I'll wait a few episodes and then take another look.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=525932&postcount=83 was my first post on the subject.
I was dissappointed with the first episode. :(
I didn't like the way they completely changed the story at all. The first episode also tried to introduce too many characters and in the wrong order in my opinion. Another thing I noticed was that the anime version seems to take the fights much more seriously than the game. In the game we had the hilarious and extremely overexaggerated attack animations. The anime, however, delivers what seem to be badly animated generic shounen-style fights.
It wasn't all bad, though; Flonne was done very well. I found her incredibly cute in the anime as opposed to occasionally funny, but mostly annoying in the game.
The good:
- Flonne
- It's Disgaea!
The bad:
- Poorly done fights
- Poor animation
- Messed up storyline
- Everything seems so average!
About the English localization of Disgaea:
The PAL version of Disgaea did for some mind-boggling reason not include the Japanese audio track, so I can't really compare to it, however, I do think Atlus did a good job with the localization. The Dark Adonis was funny even though it wasn't an accurate translation and I bet the prinnys are a lot funnier in Eigo with their "Dood!". The voice acting was overall very well done also. I have no complaints about the voice actors'/actresses' performances. Just try comparing it to something like Xenogears *shivers*.
itzfurrball
2006-04-11, 18:13
"kusaaai desuuuu..." (Flonne's first line, "it smeeells"). Flonne’s voicing makes half of the show for me, really.
No, we are complaining because this was not funny in any way.
:rolleyes: Oh come ON! How can you say Leharl being weak against big breasts ISN'T funny!? I laughed quite hard. :P
Is Flonne's VA one of the sister in Magikano? The way she speaks sounds like it.
The good:
- Flonne
- It's Disgaea!
The bad:
- Poorly done fights
- Poor animation
- Messed up storyline
- Everything seems so average!
Poorly done fights. You mean fight, right? You've only seen one fight. You've seen many sequences with mass chaos and damage ensuing, but only one fight. Laharl's confrontation with Gordon wasn't a fight. That was a "warm-up". Laharl catching that guy's sword with his bare hands wasn't a fight. What kind of fight lasts 3 seconds (the time it takes to activate Blazing Knuckle)? What kind of fights are you comparing them to? Dragonball fights? Fights where the character's introduction alone takes a whole season? Whatever.
Poor animation? What's this mean? What do you want, Gonzo 3-D effects? If that's what you want, maybe we can petition the production studio. Maybe they can give us the 3-D effects, and we can make 600-megabyte releases for you guys. Hey, what's 4x the download time when you guys get all the cool, state-of-the-art special effects?
Messed-up storyline? Ever heard of "don't judge a book by its cover"? You barely scratched the surface and you think you're Roger Ebert. Psh. You haven't even seen 10% of the goddamned series. Messed-up compared to the game? What game? Oh, the one Atlus released, right? The American release of Disgaea? I thought you guys didn't like the American release. First, you say that American release sucks, and then you're complaining because the anime doesn't resemble it. And, don't give me that crap about playing the Japanese version. The Japanese track wasn't included, and I don't expect any of you Japanophiles to know the difference between the two even if it were included.
Everything seems so average? Compared to what? Fullmetal Alchemist, with all 52 episodes finished? Magikano? Shuffle? Hantsuki? In case you were wondering, the last three received the same reviews at first. What review? "OMG ANOTHER HAREM ANIME SO FUCKING BORING OMGWTFLOL" And, then we literally had to cut down on the bandwidth for those because you guys kept sucking them up like you were a fleet of Oreck vacuum cleaners. Our DDL page literally broke within minutes.
You guys aren't reviewing the anime. How do I know? You graded this thing a long time before it was released. I checked the AniDB database. 20 votes with an average of 9.2 were cast BEFORE any raw was released. All you did grade your expectations; the hype. "This anime sounds cool, so I'll give it a review before I see it." After a few weeks, when you do see it, "OMG THIS ANIME ISN'T WHAT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IT SUCKS." Most of you are just equating "difference" to a lack of quality. Don't give it a bad grade because you disillusioned yourself. Don't give it a low rating because you were stupid and didn't know any better. Give it a bad grade because it deserves a bad grade, not because you were clueless.
Poorly done fights. You mean fight, right? ....
In case you were wondering, the last three received the same reviews at first. What review? "OMG ANOTHER HAREM ANIME SO FUCKING BORING OMGWTFLOL" And, then we literally had to cut down on the bandwidth for those because you guys kept sucking them up like you were a fleet of Oreck vacuum cleaners. Our DDL page literally broke within minutes.
You guys aren't reviewing the anime. How do I know? You graded this thing a long time before it was released. I checked the AniDB database. 20 votes with an average of 9.2 were cast BEFORE any raw was released. All you did grade your expectations; the hype. "This anime sounds cool, so I'll give it a review before I see it." After a few weeks, when you do see it, "OMG THIS ANIME ISN'T WHAT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IT SUCKS." Most of you are just equating "difference" to a lack of quality. Don't give it a bad grade because you disillusioned yourself. Don't give it a low rating because you were stupid and didn't know any better. Give it a bad grade because it deserves a bad grade, not because you were clueless.
You know you might get a bit more support or sympathy if you'd stop shooting everything that moved and lumping everyone into one basket, this group "you". Because basically you don't come off well. You're also confusing critique of the series itself with your own work, it looks like.
I happen to think ya'll do a pretty fair job but this is the second time I've seen you jump into a thread and call everyone except yourself worthless.
If you have specific complaints against a post, respond to that poster. Throwing monkey-poo at everyone in the thread really didn't help your argument (which actually had some merit).
WHY HASN'T ANYONE SAID A WORD ABOUT THE SECOND EPISODE YET?
I torrented it hours ago!
You know you might get a bit more support or sympathy if you'd stop shooting everything that moved and lumping everyone into one basket, this group "you". Because basically you don't come off well. You're also confusing critique of the series itself with your own work, it looks like.
I happen to think ya'll do a pretty fair job but this is the second time I've seen you jump into a thread and call everyone except yourself worthless.
If you have specific complaints against a post, respond to that poster. Throwing monkey-poo at everyone in the thread really didn't help your argument (which actually had some merit).
For your information, that wasn't directed at just the poster, but the people who fit the description. If you don't, then don't bother reading my comments.
I'm not looking for sympathy. What use do I have for sympathy? I don't your support. We'll sub it ANYWAY. I couldn't care less what you guys think of our subs. Didn't I say that? We'll keep doing it regardless of what you post. What makes you think I give a damn about sympathy? We sub because we like to sub. We don't sub because we want sympathy. If we want sympathy, we'll become spokespeople for Greenpeace and all the homeless children of the world.
Confusing the series with my work? Yeah, right. I know people are disappointed with our subs. I also know people will be disappointed even if we didn't sub this, and in fact, I think they'll be even more disappointed if we didn't sub this. But, the fact of the matter is, they already had their preconceptions about Disgaea, AU sub or not. Those people with the preconceptions disillusioned themselves, and it's no one's fault but their own.
Do you mean to tell me that several of these posters didn't have these preconceptions? "It's not like the game!" Don't tell me you didn't hear any lines like these.
http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=disgaea20um.gif
I've just realized that it's going to take a bit longer for the poison extraction.
WHY HASN'T ANYONE SAID A WORD ABOUT THE SECOND EPISODE YET?
I torrented it hours ago!
http://www.rpguru.com/series.php/759.html
Diedrupo
2006-04-12, 01:35
I will have to admit, I thought the show was quite poor, it being aimed at kids after all, however I loved the video game so I will continue watching it. I would not recommend this show to people who haven't played the game but I think fans of the game will enjoy it somewhat.
For your information, that wasn't directed at just the poster, but the people who fit the description. If you don't, then don't bother reading my comments.
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Do you mean to tell me that several of these posters didn't have these preconceptions? "It's not like the game!" Don't tell me you didn't hear any lines like these.
Yes, I did -- thats where your post had merit. A lot of people were apparently expecting a scene by scene re-enactment of a game or something (bleh).
What I objected to was the shotgun blast at everyone ... at least thats what your syntax implied. "you guys" isn't very specific and in a forum or any discussion is usually taken as directed at everyone.
I just rewatched the first ep.... the dialog is pretty banal, so the AnimeU style of spiking it up a bit is probably going to help it. Ah well... I'll check back in after a few episodes and watch 2 or 3 eps at once to see what I think about the series itself. 1 ep (as you say) is insufficient to judge most anime.
I'm going to say, for the record, that I actually found it kind of amusing. Though obviously I haven't played the game or anything. Not great by any means, but kind of amusing.
I will have to admit, I thought the show was quite poor, it being aimed at kids after all, however I loved the video game so I will continue watching it. I would not recommend this show to people who haven't played the game but I think fans of the game will enjoy it somewhat.
I have not played the game but I already love this show.:D
Paracelsus
2006-04-12, 07:19
Sophia: On the contrary I really hated the typesetting. Thumbs down.
Chiibi: play the game: the best way to get spoiled
Poorly done fights. You mean fight, right? You've only seen one fight. You've seen many sequences with mass chaos and damage ensuing, but only one fight. Laharl's confrontation with Gordon wasn't a fight. That was a "warm-up". Laharl catching that guy's sword with his bare hands wasn't a fight. What kind of fight lasts 3 seconds (the time it takes to activate Blazing Knuckle)? What kind of fights are you comparing them to? Dragonball fights? Fights where the character's introduction alone takes a whole season? Whatever.
Perhaps I should have said "Poorly animated fighting" instead then. Where a fight begins and ends is irrelevant.
It didn't make me go "wow!" It made me roll my eyes. Thus poorly done.
And no, I'm not a fan of DB. In fact, I hate the use of strong shounen clichés.
Poor animation? What's this mean? What do you want, Gonzo 3-D effects? If that's what you want, maybe we can petition the production studio. Maybe they can give us the 3-D effects, and we can make 600-megabyte releases for you guys. Hey, what's 4x the download time when you guys get all the cool, state-of-the-art special effects?
Poor animation as in poor animation. Just go and compare to something like Suzumia Haruhi no Yuutsu. It's like night and day! The gargoyles didn't even move their mouths when they spoke! Also, the horn rocket attack was just so baaad.
Messed-up storyline? Ever heard of "don't judge a book by its cover"? You barely scratched the surface and you think you're Roger Ebert. Psh. You haven't even seen 10% of the goddamned series.
What I saw in episode 1 in terms of storyline progression (the way they introduced characters and the setting) did not impress me. It felt rushed and amateurish.
Messed-up compared to the game? What game? Oh, the one Atlus released, right? The American release of Disgaea? I thought you guys didn't like the American release. First, you say that American release sucks, and then you're complaining because the anime doesn't resemble it. And, don't give me that crap about playing the Japanese version. The Japanese track wasn't included, and I don't expect any of you Japanophiles to know the difference between the two even if it were included.
What the fuck are you on?
The American release did have the Japanese track and obviously the game was still the same even if the voice acting and certain expressions were changed.
I even praised the English localization of the game and here you go flaming me for hating the English voice acting?? You aren't making any sense.
Everything seems so average? Compared to what? Fullmetal Alchemist, with all 52 episodes finished? Magikano? Shuffle? Hantsuki? In case you were wondering, the last three received the same reviews at first. What review? "OMG ANOTHER HAREM ANIME SO FUCKING BORING OMGWTFLOL" And, then we literally had to cut down on the bandwidth for those because you guys kept sucking them up like you were a fleet of Oreck vacuum cleaners. Our DDL page literally broke within minutes.
It seemed average as in I did not see quality. I know quality when I see it and in episode 1 the only quality I saw (and heard) was Flonne. Everything else was either bad or acceptable in my opinion.
Now please stop with the fan subbing since you obviously can't handle it. Or perhaps you should make your subs a bit worse so people wouldn't download them so much? Now that's a thought!
Let's be perfectly clear. I can handle the fansubbing and the feedback from viewers like you.
It's the illogic and ignorance from most of you which I cannot stand.
My point has always been that you are comparing this series too closely to the game, concerning yourselves with picking it apart and critiquing each piece instead of wondering why the anime series was put together the way it was. It's not the game. It's the anime series. Why don't you finish the series first before comparing it to the game? All right, why don't we try comparing something to the game?
Chapter 1: Laharl's training.
That's a game chapter. Chapter 1 isn't even part of the story. It's a training run. I find it ironic that you're saying the introduction's storyline sucks compared to the game's, when the game's introduction doesn't even have a damned story. If the first episode was a training run, would you like it?
Why do you think the story was rearranged? Perhaps they were thinking of the people who already played the game and didn't want to give them something they spoiled before they saw it. Perhaps a new storyline is interesting. Or, perhaps you were expecting a climax during the introduction, when those usually come after half the series has been completed.
The storyline seemed rushed, right? So, a lot must've happened. Never mind the fact that we have nothing but Flonne and Laharl exchanging words during the first half. Perhaps you should explain why it felt "rushed".
You don't see quality. You see taste. "Good quality" and "bad quality" are just aspects of taste. You know quality when you see it? No. You know what you LIKE when you see it. Something being inherently good and appearing good are two different things. The gargoyles didn't move their mouths when they spoke? Ever think of why they used that style of animation?
Furthermore, you're trying to compare two things: the game and the series, without considering the possibility that they could be two different entities (i.e. alternate universe) and that there could be a very good reason why. You said you liked it because it was Disgaea, yet you think that the animation, storyline, character introductions, and several other aspects are unappealing. It's like saying you like a hamburger you just ate even though it was oily, greasy, and tasted like ass. Why did you like it? Because it's a hamburger. According to your logic, you'd like anything with "Disgaea" emblazoned on it, so why are you complaining?
My point has always been that you are comparing this series too closely to the game, concerning yourselves with picking it apart and critiquing each piece instead of wondering why the anime series was put together the way it was. It's not the game. It's the anime series. Why don't you finish the series first before comparing it to the game? All right, why don't we try comparing something to the game?
We were excited about the anime because it's based on the game.
Chapter 1: Laharl's training.
That's a game chapter. Chapter 1 isn't even part of the story. It's a training run. I find it ironic that you're saying the introduction's storyline sucks compared to the game's, when the game's introduction doesn't even have a damned story. If the first episode was a training run, would you like it?
Why do you have to be such an ass?
Obviously that's not what anyone meant. Flonne waking up Laharl in a crypt instead of Etna doing it in the castle are major, major changes. An even more drastic change was the introduction of Gordon and his crew right in the beginning. In my opinion their entrance did not fit where it was placed.
Why do you think the story was rearranged? Perhaps they were thinking of the people who already played the game and didn't want to give them something they spoiled before they saw it. Perhaps a new storyline is interesting. Or, perhaps you were expecting a climax during the introduction, when those usually come after half the series has been completed.
Perhaps the craptastic Naruto fillers that have been running for months now were added to give the manga readers something they weren't expecting? I don't think so.
I'm probably slightly biased, but I very much prefer the beginning of the original story to what we saw in ep1. I'm not bashing the changes because they are changes but because I don't think they work.
The storyline seemed rushed, right? So, a lot must've happened. Never mind the fact that we have nothing but Flonne and Laharl exchanging words during the first half. Perhaps you should explain why it felt "rushed".
Because they didn't even properly finish the introductions of Laharl and Flonne when we already have a spaceship (didn't really like the CG on it either) with Gordon in it crash on them. It just didn't flow right to me. <--opinion
You don't see quality. You see taste. "Good quality" and "bad quality" are just aspects of taste. You know quality when you see it? No. You know what you LIKE when you see it. Something being inherently good and appearing good are two different things. The gargoyles didn't move their mouths when they spoke? Ever think of why they used that style of animation?
You're somewhat right here. What is quality and what is not is based on a person's taste, however, there is a difference.
High quality animation, for example, means smooth movement, many details and good visual solutions because that's what most people prefer over the opposite. In Disgaea's case it seemed like the show has a very low budget.
High quality comedy would be something that people find funny, not something people find boring or stupid. There is of course no rules on what is funny and what is not, but generally people tend to have similar tastes in this category. If it wasn't true, there would be no such thing as comedy.
Furthermore, you're trying to compare two things: the game and the series, without considering the possibility that they could be two different entities (i.e. alternate universe) and that there could be a very good reason why. You said you liked it because it was Disgaea, yet you think that the animation, storyline, character introductions, and several other aspects are unappealing. It's like saying you like a hamburger you just ate even though it was oily, greasy, and tasted like ass. Why did you like it? Because it's a hamburger. According to your logic, you'd like anything with "Disgaea" emblazoned on it, so why are you complaining?
I like Disgaea because of its character designs (and art style), its world design and its style of humour. Those three are elements that the animators need to try to utilize or there would be no point in calling it Disgaea at all.
Obviously I'm not drawn to the series because of the name. The stuff you post is really insulting, you know.
NightWish
2006-04-12, 13:04
Heated debate about the show is fine, but can we please avoid directing the flames at each other. Those who feel the need to use expletives might also do well to think of alternative words. I don't want to edit posts.
http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=disgaea20um.gif
I've just realized that it's going to take a bit longer for the poison extraction.
http://www.rpguru.com/series.php/759.html
I'm talking about the raw...
I'm talking about the other torrent sites...
Anyone know the difference between version 1 and version 2 of the AnimeU releases of ep 1?
Xellos-_^
2006-04-12, 15:08
Poorly done fights. You mean fight, right? You've only seen one fight. You've seen many sequences with mass chaos and damage ensuing, but only one fight. Laharl's confrontation with Gordon wasn't a fight. That was a "warm-up". Laharl catching that guy's sword with his bare hands wasn't a fight. What kind of fight lasts 3 seconds (the time it takes to activate Blazing Knuckle)? What kind of fights are you comparing them to? Dragonball fights? Fights where the character's introduction alone takes a whole season? Whatever.
Poor animation? What's this mean? What do you want, Gonzo 3-D effects? If that's what you want, maybe we can petition the production studio. Maybe they can give us the 3-D effects, and we can make 600-megabyte releases for you guys. Hey, what's 4x the download time when you guys get all the cool, state-of-the-art special effects?
Messed-up storyline? Ever heard of "don't judge a book by its cover"? You barely scratched the surface and you think you're Roger Ebert. Psh. You haven't even seen 10% of the goddamned series. Messed-up compared to the game? What game? Oh, the one Atlus released, right? The American release of Disgaea? I thought you guys didn't like the American release. First, you say that American release sucks, and then you're complaining because the anime doesn't resemble it. And, don't give me that crap about playing the Japanese version. The Japanese track wasn't included, and I don't expect any of you Japanophiles to know the difference between the two even if it were included.
Everything seems so average? Compared to what? Fullmetal Alchemist, with all 52 episodes finished? Magikano? Shuffle? Hantsuki? In case you were wondering, the last three received the same reviews at first. What review? "OMG ANOTHER HAREM ANIME SO FUCKING BORING OMGWTFLOL" And, then we literally had to cut down on the bandwidth for those because you guys kept sucking them up like you were a fleet of Oreck vacuum cleaners. Our DDL page literally broke within minutes.
You guys aren't reviewing the anime. How do I know? You graded this thing a long time before it was released. I checked the AniDB database. 20 votes with an average of 9.2 were cast BEFORE any raw was released. All you did grade your expectations; the hype. "This anime sounds cool, so I'll give it a review before I see it." After a few weeks, when you do see it, "OMG THIS ANIME ISN'T WHAT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IT SUCKS." Most of you are just equating "difference" to a lack of quality. Don't give it a bad grade because you disillusioned yourself. Don't give it a low rating because you were stupid and didn't know any better. Give it a bad grade because it deserves a bad grade, not because you were clueless.
I never play the game. i never even heard of it till the anime came out. i don't know a thing about the game story. Animation is 3rd on my list of whats most important in a anime behind Story and character.
And I find Disgaea Ep1 to be very avg. I will wait till a few more eps comes out then re-watch it to see if it is worth my time. But so far Ep1 haven't given me any reason to continue watching it. There are far far better shows whose Ep1 has immediatly caught my attentation that I will be following up on.
As someone who played (and immensely enjoyed) the game, I don't think all the changes are for the worse. For example, the Flonne wake-up scene is different from, but at least as funny as, the one in the game. However, the super-early introduction of the Gordon-crew seems somewhat rushed to me as well, and I can't currently see how they will handle the pendant storyline nearly as well as the original with their set-up. Regardless of that, the episode was somewhat entertaining, and Mid-Boss still has to show up...
Catgirls
2006-04-12, 17:04
WHY HASN'T ANYONE SAID A WORD ABOUT THE SECOND EPISODE YET?
I torrented it hours ago!w00t! I thought episode 2 was pretty funny. Some quick random screen caps for Episode 2:
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4181/disgaea0214iv.th.jpg (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=disgaea0214iv.jpg)
.: Click me! Click me! :.
Please note: those are randomly chosen screen caps by the Media Player cyborg. Some might not be that great. Chopp'n animated GIFs from it as I type this...
Daniel E.
2006-04-12, 17:34
Anyone know the difference between version 1 and version 2 of the AnimeU releases of ep 1?
I haven't see ver. 2, but another member commented the following a couple of pages ago:
They fixed the typesetting (its actually readable now!), that one line ~10 min and some of the typos in the op. Otherwise, it seems to be pretty much the same... oh no wait it isnt. There is randomly added -'s for characters. i.e "There is no way..." became "There is -o way".
Maids! Maids! Maids!
2006-04-12, 17:41
Anyone know the difference between version 1 and version 2 of the AnimeU releases of ep 1?
I saw what looked to me like a note from (again, I'm guessing) the editor to the translator within the subtitles of the first version. I assumed there would be a Version 2 after that.
[Watched - RAW of Disgaea - Us +1, Mid-Boss 0!]
The Second Episode of Disgaea was in my opinion brilliant, i think things are starting to pick up now.
The Beauty Baron was pretty funny.
AU keep up the good work, your heros for just being the only ones that'll sub the damn series.
I can't wait for the fansub of episode 2!.:D:D
It'll be finished this week, along with the last ep. of Magikano and 2nd episode of Soul Link. Furthermore, we will be releasing a v3 of ep. 1 which hopefully doesn't include any errors within or beyond out control.
i would like to thank anime-u for subbing disgaea.i am a HUGE fan of the game,so like most of the disgaea fans i too didnt enjoy the first episode(i dont say it was bad or anything i still laughed)i expected the true storyline (but i would like to see what they will go on with)(IT WAS A FATAL MISTAKE TO MAKE A PROMO WITH THE NORMAL STORYLINE AND THEN CHANGE IT,i think thats why the fans of the game are angry)
I am very angry about the part that flonne didnt get angry to laharl when he said she was flat-chested(serious now this was a FATAL mistake)
Any difference in the Fm-Osu version to Anime-U's version?
I am very angry about the part that flonne didnt get angry to laharl when he said she was flat-chested(serious now this was a FATAL mistake)If it wasn't obvious, Flonne is very dopey in the anime. This made perfect sense that she didn't realize she was being insulted.
Any difference in the Fm-Osu version to Anime-U's version?
Better translation, and I liked their typesetting better. However, they used an upscaled raw so it looks worse (It looks fine at 50% though). (The animation isnt great to begin with but it looks blurred.)
ImperialPanda
2006-04-17, 22:48
Woot yeah, first anime I've seen in 4 months.
Anywho, better than what I expected. But that's not saying much since I wasn't expecting a lot after how Xenosaga turned out.
I believe a game -> anime translation should have a new storyline. But that doesn't mean making a crappy one. Alright, it's not terribly bad, but I can safely say the game story is laid out better.
Character personalities retained fairly well. Keeps anime afloat.
Animation is crap. Not having Harada do the designs is bad enough, but jeez, this isn't much better than Slayers... Their animation budget is comparable to that of a high school ping pong club.
Very average anime. Disgaea 2 will make everything better though.
hi no ken Jebus
2006-04-18, 17:30
well ep 3 was interesting at least on paper
The three of them stay at some weird Inn and because of Vulcanus, Etna and Flonne switch personalities. Hilarity ensues or at least it should have. Not a totally bad episode it had some cute moments. Gordon and co have been reduced to comedy relief and next week Hoggmeiser appears.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2041/da39vm.th.jpg (http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=da39vm.jpg)
Being a fan of Disgaea, I feel somewhat disappointed for the first ep. The animation is lacking (some of the mouths don't move when they're talking, etc). Story-wise, I think the change is alright. At least I won't have to watch the series while knowing exactly what happens next, including the gags and jokes. True that Gordon was introduced way too early. I higly think that Gordon will be temporarily pushed out of the screen until a few episodes later, and that they'd focus more on building up Lahral, Flonne, and Etna first.
winry-chan
2006-04-19, 17:39
Me I really liked the font of the v1 am I alone ? (of course the color made it a little difficult to read but it was better than the v2)
Anyway, the font for the 2nd episode were difficult to read and I needed often to stop it for read. I would like you (animeU) to make a v2 for the 2nd episode with the same font as the first of all, is it possible ? At less change the color of the font please...
Since you asked so nicely, I'll consider having another version of episode 2 made. but, you better tell me exactly what you want in it.
I thought the game was okay so I checked out the anime... and wow was I disappointed. :uhoh: Terrible.... Animation that bad brings back bad 90s memories....
It's like someone took the video game and ripped out the cute artwork, good humor, good animation, and all basics of storytelling, then put the leftovers in a blender, with the result being a giant confused mess.
Worst anime of the season... but that's just my two cents. :P I guess people who LOVED the game might like it more... but I could barely watch all the way through. At least they kept some of the video game's awesome background music tracks.
Well i like the show so Bleh!
Though i never played the game but saw some movie clips of it. :P
umm yeah it's a cool show :P
i just watched the second episode and i think the anime is getting better (at last prinnys:p )ty for the sub keep up the good work :)
winry-chan
2006-04-20, 06:23
Since you asked so nicely, I'll consider having another version of episode 2 made. but, you better tell me exactly what you want in it.
I would like to have the font of the first episode (maybe a blue a little darker) and about the same size of font (always from the ep1 v1) because in the 2nd episode the font was too small for me.
Thank you in advance
The second ep wasn't as funny but it was still pretty funny. I think the best part was when Laharl starting slicing the prinnies for laughing at him.:heh: And that last scene with him helping Flonne was cute even though he totally denied it.:D
Since you asked so nicely, I'll consider having another version of episode 2 made. but, you better tell me exactly what you want in it.
Could you also add "d00d" to the prinnies? Just felt so out of place without it.
I don't know what the Japanese used in place of "d00d" or "dood", so I may have to insert the word at times -I- feel are appropriate. That's a good idea. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
And, for all the people who don't like Disgaea, judging by your reviews of episode 2, it doesn't seem all that bad, now, does it? Personally, I thought it was funnier than episode 3.
If any of you have any other requests, please post them here or send me a private message. We'll entertain almost any request other than "please give us a literal translation". Hopefully, you'll be able to enjoy it more. If you still can't, well... I feel sorry for you.
Cherry Sun
2006-04-20, 14:14
Much thanks for releasing the second episode and everything. I believe the new font is pretty sufficient, but I just think it needs to be a tad bigger or something. It's not so much as a strain on the eyes, but more or less a little interference with the video itself. (Hope that makes sense @-@ Running on 4 hours sleep does things to you.)
Anyway, I look forward to episode 3! But, I honestly don't know if a V2 needs to be released for episode 2. Were there any errors? Or just font issues? If It was just a font issue with some, I believe that can just be improved for the next release. Good luck to you Sophia and the rest of your staff on the future of this project. So far, i'm more than satisfied with your work.
AndyTran
2006-04-20, 17:16
I thought this anime was very enjoyable. Puts a smile on my face :)
Much thanks for releasing the second episode and everything. I believe the new font is pretty sufficient, but I just think it needs to be a tad bigger or something.
I'll keep that in mind. I'll have the typesetter increase the font.
Then again, that means I should increase the font.
I just rewatched 2. You guys are right-it's much funnier than ep 1. XD Oh and I think the new font is just fine.
My thoughts about the anime:
The animation was horrible compared to the promo, which was kinda dissapointing. But, it improved over ep2 so im sure later on in more important eps it'll be much better. Moreover, it was really fun so it cancels out the dissapointing animation.
What Have they done to her? Her face looks so wierd compared to the game. Laharl , etna, prinnies and the captain gordon squad are spot on. But Flonne looks like a different character! - Am I the only one that don't like the "new" Flonne Look?
Well I'm just new here but I'll not be making intros or anything...^^
About Disgaea:
Many people seem to dislike how Disgaea was done in terms of game to anime localization. I've read some posts here that this anime was a disappointment. But I guess let's always be reminded that an anime is not entirely dependent on the original(manga or game) and yet it's not entirely diverging or straying from the orignal's theme. For one, I have played the PS2 game and I was a bit surprised to see a different start in the anime version. It's still funny with the flat-chested part or Laharl being weak against big-busted women. The only thing that I think I can point out is 1)A promo and the 1st episode can be the trendsetter, an introduction/cover or should I say the "eye-candy". Like I noticed in some posts, many don't like the 1st Ep so maybe they disregarded the anime already. Like an introduction/cover, the 1st Ep should actually stir and drive the viewer to watch the anime. 2) If intros or covers doesn't suit your taste, think "don't judge a book by its cover". I know many of you read books without minding the cover or fancy stuffs, the important thing is the content. Same here in Disgaea. If episode 1 fail to arouse your interest, try watching the next and the rest. Some animes actually starts pretty lame in my opinion but it progresses quite well and sometimes ends up pretty good (e.g. Solty Rei in my opinion...pls don't sue me for this since I also love this anime...XP). Well that's my take...
For the fansub groups of this anime:
Just keep up the good work!. AnimeU has done a well deserved praise in my POV. It was said already that other don't like slang translation but its their trademark...^^ Magikano was a good show and was handled well by AnimeU. If they can just find a better raw then they'll be much better. Fonts for me were okay but I guess other people wants a different one.
For Fighting-Magic/Oversubbing unlimited, continue doing your good release. I've already watched this group's 1st ep and it's good. I can't understand Japanese but comparing them from AnimeU's, they used literal translations but fair enough for fans with a different taste in subtitles. Haven't watched SD's though so I can't say anything...^^
We received 40,000+ downloads for Disgaea Ep. 2, and 41,000+ for Disgaea Ep. 1. Factoring in the time difference, I think the population is still intact. The people who keep bitching are still watching. I don't think most people have given up on the anime yet. I think several reasons for this are:
1) They don't want to appear stupid after they "judged a book by its cover".
2) They're still hoping to see some improvement in Disgaea, regardless of what their first impressions or posts were.
3) They DID see some improvement in Disgaea, but nevertheless refuse to comment on it.
I'd also like to point out why a style of animation thought to be "inferior" to most styles could have been used. In fact, I'd like to rephrase this in the form of a question.
What would Pokemon have been like with cutting, state-of-the-art special effects? Here's the answer. Something that was NOT Pokemon. Perhaps the drawings weren't as detailed. However, does the amount of detail necessarily correspond to the quality of animation? I find it ludicrous that people are posting about "bad animation" here and "bad animation" there without giving a definite criteria of what constitutes "bad" or "good" animation. And, no, comparisons don't work.
"This animation sucks because it's inferior to Suzumiya's animation." By that definition, Suzumiya's animation sucks because Last Exile's animation runs circles around it. Doesn't make sense? Neither does "This animation sucks because it's inferior to Suzumiya's animation".
Keiichi_chan
2006-04-25, 23:49
I was abit disapointed, by episode one(enjoyed ep 2 alot more,tho).
I defintely knew there were going to be story changes and don't mind that,but the changes left out alot of the best/funniest things from the game so far and didn't replace them with anything nearly as good.:\
However I do love the Ending theme and I for one, like the translation ALOT so far. Laharl saying 'Sing it,don't bring it' just totally matches the childish wannabe tough guy personality he has and makes it more interesting/natural sounding to read. Completely literal translation tend to sound awkward and unnatural at times.
Anyway it still has potential and I loved Cap'n Gordon,but he really shouldn't have been introed so early.
Now can someone make me a gif of Laharl cackling? I'd appreciate it thanks!:D
Ano...Anime U hasn't stopped subbing this series, right? Are you guys just stalled?
*is worried 'cuz she lurves Disagea* D:>
Remember, this be the months with final exams. Almost every group is gonna stall a bit for a week or two.
Remember, this be the months with final exams. Almost every group is gonna stall a bit for a week or two.
LOL that completely slipped my mind even though I used that excuse for my translating groups too! :heh: how dumb am I?:rolleyes:
I'm kinda dissapointed, the promo was very misleading on what the actual anime would look like ;_;
I have to agree, it was VERY misleading. I felt like they just did false advertising to everyone.
Not too angry, I'm still liking the show. ^_^
Ano...Anime U hasn't stopped subbing this series, right? Are you guys just stalled?
*is worried 'cuz she lurves Disagea* D:>
We're still subbing this. However, a lot of the people who were on the Disgaea team aren't here any more. I'm currently replacing them, so it may take a while.
I have to agree, it was VERY misleading. I felt like they just did false advertising to everyone.
Not too angry, I'm still liking the show. ^_^
yeah, I still find it funny, just disappointed (couldn't edit my frickin post >.<)
I was disappointed after (1), but I saw (2, 3) the other day and I think if you forget about the first episode and take the rest as just a comedy show, it's not that bad. I really enjoyed the second half of ep. 3.
Wewetan1
2006-05-07, 05:25
:eyebrow: yeah, kinda feels like they put half of their budget into making the promo, then half to everything else
L33tmaster
2006-05-07, 05:41
I've played the PS2 game (lvl 6602 Laharl with about 100,000 stored levels from transmigration) and I can say that Disgaea is probably my second favorite anime this season, second to... well, of course... everybody's favorite, Suzumiya Haruhi.
I was quite shocked actually about the changes they made from the game --> anime. Completely out of order... but i'm not one to be pissed about that, after all, if it followed the game exactly, it'd be the same thing and that perhaps wouldn't be as interesting (for example, I stopped watching Bleach and just started reading the manga because they're so similar). It's refreshing to see what stories they make with the characters that I have grown to like so much.
I would recommend anybody who owns a PS2 to get the game because, if you think the anime is good, the game is way better. And if you think the anime sucks, well, the game is awesome, so go get it. Seriously.
Catgirls
2006-05-07, 13:41
I just want to say "thanks" to the group [Kyuuketsuki (http://www.animesuki.com/group.php/533.html)] for there sub work thus far. Nicely done. I look forward to seeing episode 6.
Catgirls
2006-05-07, 15:20
Freebie avatar for anyone that wants it. It's from the Open.
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Just watched show 5 from kyuu. Enjoyed it a TON. All of them so far have been entertaining from many different angles at once. NO I dont have the game and it wouldnt matter, theres no need for any game to follow the manga stores or animated shows faithfully. It is a new show for the market.
btw, I felt the 'new one' in show was much like one with a sword in f/sn, even in voice. Just thinking what I was seeing had me laughing out loud even more.
keep up the good work, so far been nice subbers havent had 'explicitives' left and right and all over.
:eyebrow: yeah, kinda feels like they put half of their budget into making the promo, then half to everything else
QFT
still enjoyable...but damn those misleading promos!
QFT
still enjoyable...but damn those misleading promos!
The promo is based on the game. If you played the game, then you understand.
The anime is of a different storyline with the game. But it is as enjoyable.
However I wonder is 9 episodes enough to explain the story and bring it to an end?
There is a few battle in Heaven you noe
AliceAngel
2006-05-08, 12:37
I have to say, episode 5 was my favorite by far.....maybe. ;) :p
winry-chan
2006-05-09, 18:50
me i really enjoy the show and i don't care if they seem to don't have enough budget to do it i'd just like more than 12 episodes ^^
ChibiGoku
2006-05-14, 02:28
For those wondering what the hell is going on with our subs, I'll basically repost what I said at the forum.
There's probably some wondering on why there's been no releases recently. I'll explain what's been going on.
All episodes up to episode 5 have been timed, typesetted (for the most part), and everything else. The only issue remaining is the episodes need to have the Translation Checked for accuracy. This is causing a slight delay, due to Misora, our Translation Checker (On Osu!'s side) being busy with school at the moment. BD_ will be the temperary Translation Checker, and will be doing translation check for Episodes 2 - 4. Episode 5 and up will be checked by Misora, hopefully.
As for how they will be released, they will be batched up together (Episodes 1 - 4). Episode 1 XviD encode is ready, and there will be a Version 2 of the H264 released also. The XviD encode may or may not be released early in the FM Channel before the batch. (If it does, I will update the webpage and forums announcement, so make sure you check those.)
Just for information on how the batches will work. One batch will contain the XviD encode, and the other batch will contain the H264 encode. File size will be around (hopefully) 720MB for both batches.
Keiichi_chan
2006-05-17, 16:38
thanx to kyuu for picking this one up!Yahh1 more disgaea!
Dropping this series for now ... it just wasn't coming together as enough comedy or character ... pretty flat ( a shame because the Etona and Flonne characters were pretty charming).
I also have to pick and choose because my connection is sucky for now and frankly, Suzumiya, Utawarerumono, and Nana FTW in my temporarily reduced pipeline. Hopefully in a couple of weeks, I can be more magnamious assuming the repairs come through and the comedy improves (this isn't supposed to be serious is it? :) )
edit: I had pre-ordered the Etona figure but they keep delaying the release --- her figurine is quite cute no matter what the series ends up like.
Ishin Ookami
2006-05-22, 00:34
So what is up with disgaea, The last episode to come out was #5 two weeks ago. Is it just it hasn't been aired yet? some info would be nice
loosecannon
2006-05-22, 04:42
Disgaea is one of the most enjoyable games I've played on the PS2.......Err...
Umm, oh yeah, this is the anime fansub thread. ^^;;
Anyway, as much as I enjoyed playing Disgaea, it just pains me to watch the episodes so far. First, I was quite disappointed that the anime failed to be true to the videogame story. Second, why did they bring out Capt Gordon and company so early? Third, Laharl is TOO annoying, well, he was annoying in the videogame but not this much?! Well, please forgive the rants, but I really want to give Disgaea a chance to redeem itself, I'm still hoping that the anime can make a huge turnaround.
Ishin Ookami
2006-05-22, 14:28
Im actually really liking the series myself, Episode 1 was the weakest of the bunch, but so far the series has managed to provide some decent, new jokes that are in some ways better then the ones that were in the game (had to love Laharls acid trip when he ate flonne's cooking) and the series has managed to show a decent amount of character development. Now Al I want is Episode 6. So can anyone explain to me where the hell is it?
Im actually really liking the series myself, Episode 1 was the weakest of the bunch, but so far the series has managed to provide some decent, new jokes that are in some ways better then the ones that were in the game (had to love Laharls acid trip when he ate flonne's cooking) and the series has managed to show a decent amount of character development. Now Al I want is Episode 6. So can anyone explain to me where the hell is it?
It's out.
And I doubt that you need to go to hell to get it.(Although it's a hell production)
Catgirls
2006-05-23, 11:02
Now Al I want is Episode 6. So can anyone explain to me where the hell is it?Yep. It's right here:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=324
Cheers. :)
Saw ep 7's preview.
If it went according to the game, it should be the "Zombie Tailor"
and Laharl will have a showdown with the Zombie with Horse Whiner.
hi no ken Jebus
2006-06-01, 14:47
Well looks like the anime is moving back into the game's story sort of. Laharl finally takes the throne but Earth begins an invasion of the netherworld. Curtis shows up along with Jennifer's father/leader of the Earth's forces with a little help from Vulcanus. It was a nice episode and let's see where it goes from here.
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/4186/md095kz.th.jpg (http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=md095kz.jpg)
So, fallen angel, anyone?
Is any group continuing the series?
They probably are-they're just stalling. Speaking as one who recently has taken on a series all by herself, fansubbing can be quite the time-consumer and you sometimes just wanna do something else. O_o;
Who likes my new avie? :D
Earth invasion continues. While Laharl and Gordon fight those beam weapons outside, Fionne and Etna, along with prinnie tie fight earth troops and Thursday from the inside. We see some history flashbacks on Curtis, showing how he lost his family and became cyborg. Jennifer rebels against her father, and he uses a mind-control machine on her. Laharl joins the inside team, some assasin-angels arrive as reinforcements from Tenkai, but Fionne deflects their arrows, killing one of her own kind. In the end Makai wins and Jenny's father runs away. Laharl and Co decides to go to Tenkai to find out who was the mastermind.
ChibiGoku
2006-06-14, 18:12
And... Looks like Disgaea may actually be licensed.
http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=168443
And for those lazy to open up the url...
Thanks to someone over at AnimeCentral, apparently Makai Senki Disgaea is licensed, but not exactly sure as of to who. Apparently one of the Representatives of Broccoli stated that during the license announcement of the manga, they stated that the anime is licensed. But as to who, they aren't sure. (Apparently they didn't state as to who)
I'm putting my money on Geneon. While I know Geneon Entertainment (Japan) and (US) are two different companies, and it doesn't mean Geneon US will automatically get it, it just seems like a show Geneon would grab. *Shrugs*
(add on)
Anywho, here's more information on the matter
http://thewiire.com/news/347/1/EXCLU...th_Nippon_Ichi
And here's the exact quote on the matter:
The Wiire: You have an anime based on Disagea, airing in Japan right now. Are there any efforts to bring that over here to the States?
Niida: Yes, we are actually working very closely with... an anime production company and we are going to bring it over here to the states hopefully by October and maybe into November, and it will be here in the States as a DVD format to begin with, but we are also looking into broadcast. Hopefully Anime Network, Adult Swim, or Cartoon Network... so it's going to be very exciting later this year.
(add on)
Apparently Geneon has the anime.
Heres why:
cxt217 said:
Considering PCB Productions (Who also did the English dub of the game.) has already listed the series on their credits page as "In Development" with Geneon credited, I think that is a safe bet.
C.T.
And at their page:
PCB's anime broadcast series include: .Hack/Sign, .Hack /Legend of the Twilight Bracelet, Gene Shaft, Spriggan, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Disgaea, MAR, Bumper King, Ape Escape(Unknown what this is exactly. The Page that lists the info says Spumco's involved, as is Sony of Japan. So I'm at a loss here.), and Burn Up Excess.
And further down...
In Development
Ascend - Special Edition - PCB Productions
Infex - PCB Productions
Smackdown Vs. Raw 2007 - THQ
Dungeon Siege 2X - Gas Powered Games
Bioshock - Irrational / 2K
Enchanted Arms - Ubisoft
Disgaea - NIS / Geneon
Disgaea 2 - NIS America
Blade Dancer - NIS America
Atlier Iris 2 - NIS America
World Poker 3 - Crave
Made In America - Travel Channel
Bumper King - Tokyo Pop
MAR - VIZ Media
http://www.pcbproductions.com/HTMLfiles/pcbinfo.html
So there you have it.
CelesAurivern
2006-06-14, 20:22
Woohoo :D
Geneon <3 :love:
Are you sure Geneon US picked up Makai Senki Disgaea? I know the company picked up Fate/Stay Night because they produced the series.
CelesAurivern
2006-06-14, 23:30
Are you sure Geneon US picked up Makai Senki Disgaea? I know the company picked up Fate/Stay Night because they produced the series.
Animesuki has removed the torrents from the main page.
If you can't trust them, who can you trust? :cool:
Are you sure Geneon US picked up Makai Senki Disgaea? I know the company picked up Fate/Stay Night because they produced the series.
1) Fate/Stay Night was a co-production between Geneon USA and Geneon JP among others. Disgaea was a production of Geneon JP and Nippon Ichi Software (NIS).
2) PCB does work with Geneon USA. There is no reason Geneon JP would come to them for voice work. Also, NIA is Nippon Ichi of America, the American arm of NIS. If PCB says they are working on it for Geneon, then they are working on a dub for Geneon USA. Therefore they must be the licensors.
Mmmmm
Anticipating the DVD
It's my favourite part of the story, the Akatsuki (red moon). It is really going to be the most touching part. Will the song "Akatsuki" be played? it is my favourite game insert song.
Looking forward to ep 11
Says the DVD will be released here in the US around December this year. Can't wait to play Disgaea 2. I hope they'll bring back the original VAs from the game (minus Bob Papenbrook). Haven't heard anything from Amanda Winn Lee who voices Etna in the game. Probably will be replaced by someone with a similar voice.
Loved the voice actors on Disgaea game, Would be great if they got as many of the same actors abck for the english dub :D
Catgirls
2006-06-15, 18:49
Might as well dump a couple of avys I have for this show.
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Loved the voice actors on Disgaea game, Would be great if they got as many of the same actors abck for the english dub :D
That is why Geneon and NIA went with PCB, to try and match the dub track. They are the same ones who did both games.
Catgirls
2006-06-15, 20:11
Can't download Disgaea anymore due to being licensed by Geneon. Even the fansub groups won't touch the series anymore.As it should be.
The DVDs will be cheap enough. We all got a sample of the show up to now and picking up the R1 DVDs should be a no brainer (or catching it on CN) for those that like the show (I thought the animation was dreadful). I usually wait a year or so and pick up the "bricks" or all-in-one packs once the show has been released on separate discs. If I can't wait, I just buy them Used. DigitalEyes.net (DVDPlanet) has a decent used section. Cheap and good.
Unless they re-animate everything for the dvd's (R1 or R2) then I don't really think they're worth buying.
CelesAurivern
2006-06-16, 08:22
Unless they re-animate everything for the dvd's (R1 or R2) then I don't really think they're worth buying.
You know there's not a chance in hell of that happening.
Truth be told, you money would be better spent importing Disgaea 2 ;)
I just hope that they will do Disgaea 2 in the same way as Disgaea.
Left the Japanese Original Voice-over on and then throw in the sub-title.
At least I dun find Flonne's VA annoying that way.
What happen in the end? I thought it followed the path of the good ending from the game but this was unexpected. I LOL at the movie poster of Gordon, Jennifer, and Kurtis.
Just finished the anime. x_x
Is there any chance that
Laharl can go back to his original form after being a prinny? They do get reincarnated, don't they? And would you say he DOES love Flonne or do you think he'd do the same for Etna? You can spoil the game endings, really, I don't care. I need answers dammit. *loves Laharl to death*:heh:
Catgirls
2006-07-11, 00:08
Is there any chance that
Laharl can go back to his original form after being a prinny? They do get reincarnated, don't they? And would you say he DOES love Flonne or do you think he'd do the same for Etna? You can spoil the game endings, really, I don't care. I need answers dammit. *loves Laharl to death*:heh: Nope. Once he became a Prinny, the only path for him is atonement. His mother taught him that.
I don't think he "loves" or "loved" Flonne ... I think he just realized that there were things bigger than himself ... people and things that were more important that himself ... Laharl did what his mother did and gave himself up for someone. Yes, his mother loved him, but I don't think that Laharl loved Flonne in the true sense of the word.
Liked, yet would miss her voice, but not loved and would miss her smell.
Nope. Once he became a Prinny, the only path for him is atonement. His mother taught him that.
I don't think he "loves" or "loved" Flonne ... I think he just realized that there were things bigger than himself ... people and things that were more important that himself ... Laharl did what his mother did and gave himself up for someone. Yes, his mother loved him, but I don't think that Laharl loved Flonne in the true sense of the word.
Liked, yet would miss her voice, but not loved and would miss her smell.
Ehh? But I thought Prinnies are reborn during the red moon....*is confused now.:confused:
Ehe, if he doesn't "love" her he must care somewhat because he was crying.
Catgirls
2006-07-11, 08:02
Ehe, if he doesn't "love" her he must care somewhat because he was crying. Yes, you are correct. He most assuredly cared for her. Deeply. That is what she and his mother taught him through their own examples.
You could say that he eventually opened up his heart to "love" as Flonne had always hoped, but I don't think he fully evolved enough to the point of "loving her" (thus leaving open the possibility of a second season), but I do think he cared for her deeply and for people around him. Which he didn't in the beginning of the show. I guess that’s love in some sense, but I didn’t fully buy into his selfless act as an act of love, but more one of caring.
Then again, maybe his crying was his acceptance that he did love Flonne ... and his mother. Maybe his heart did open up that wide.
Of course, I'm kind of splitting hairs (and I'm not sure why I am). ^^; Maybe I'm just hoping for a second season and more anime. :D
Yes, you are correct. He most assuredly cared for her. Deeply. That is what she and his mother taught him through their own examples.
You could say that he eventually opened up his heart to "love" as Flonne had always hoped, but I don't think he fully evolved enough to the point of "loving her" (thus leaving open the possibility of a second season), but I do think he cared for her deeply and for people around him. Which he didn't in the beginning of the show. I guess that’s love in some sense, but I didn’t fully buy into his selfless act as an act of love, but more one of caring.
Then again, maybe his crying was his acceptance that he did love Flonne ... and his mother. Maybe his heart did open up that wide.
Of course, I'm kind of splitting hairs (and I'm not sure why I am). ^^; Maybe I'm just hoping for a second season and more anime. :D
I'd KILL for a second season.:D Maybe they'll do the second game. *squee*
maohayato
2006-07-11, 14:27
it is possible to go from demon/human/angel>prinny>demon/human/angel
its called transmigration. what is transmigration you ask, well thats an integral part of disgaea's game mechanics involving storing levels and making uber characters.
Disgaea 2 ... Dark Court
Commit Crimes and get rewarded by the Dark Court, but there is still a certain line you arent allowed to cross. Or else you and your team will have to spend the next 10 rounds (or so) as prinnys.
(from the Jap. version of D2:CM, but i cant understand all, maybe its this or sth else i coudnt translate right ^^)
Maybe Laharl can get back to his original form. From the beginning there is only mentioned that prinnys are bad humans who have to spend a certain time in NW or Cel ro cleanse their souls.
Ok Laherl is half Demon half Human. so this maybe explains why he still got his Powers even after turning into a Prinny... i mean he is/was the overlord... so there should be some way to return him back ^^
You see Laharl in some D2:CM trailers fighting some Monster, maybe ull get him as a special char ^^
You see Laharl in some D2:CM trailers fighting some Monster, maybe ull get him as a special char ^^
Oooh I hope so! my friend showed me the opening of the game; it was really cool and you see Laharl and Flonne sitting on the floor as if they're watching it at the beginning. (Flonne is a fallen angel here so he must come back somehow...it's no flashback...)
I'm playing the original game now...it's a lot of fun...but difficult for me because I suck.:heh:
maohayato
2006-07-18, 11:41
if there is ever gonna be a second season, they better show:
1. Baal
2. Prinny Baal
2. Laharl using a Yoshitsuna(the sword)
3. Prism Rangers
4. Etna's sexy beam attack
But as they wrapped up the disgaea 1 story pretty well, I'll guess it'll be disgaea 2 story-elements for a second season,
so i'll be happy enuff if they ever animate the prism ranger arc from disgaea 2.
Ok I finally saw the end of this series and now scratching my head.. What the hell happened? Flonne got turned into a flower? For what reason when Lamington-Sama let Vulcana attack the netherworld? Why did Laharl become a Prinny for? What exactly did he do in the end?
Damn I really wish he would of took out Lamington-Sama because he is the one that did the unpardonable sin! Let the netherworld be attacked! Let vulcana do what he pleased! He only turned Vulcana into a frog but Flonne into a flower! To me him and Vulcana were the true evil and should of been taken out. Seems to me the good got away with being bad and the bad got punished for being good.. What a twisted end.
Flonne for being good is punished and turned into a flower. Laharl for learning what love is is punished and turned into a Prinny when he did nothing wrong but defend his realm. And where was God while all this was being done? This anime made it seem like he doesn't care what happens. I never played the game but was it as twisted as this anime was? Netherworld was the good and Heaven was the bad.. because that is exactly what it was.
Ok I finally saw the end of this series and now scratching my head.. What the hell happened? Flonne got turned into a flower? For what reason when Lamington-Sama let Vulcana attack the netherworld? Why did Laharl become a Prinny for? What exactly did he do in the end?
Flonne killed the angels back a few episodes and a few other things she wasn't supposed to do. So Lamington turned her into a flower. Lamington let Vulcana attack as a test. Laharl became a prinny because he did what his mother did, sacrified his life for another. He sacrified his own life and had flonne reborn as a fallen angel.
Go read the Good Ending in the gamefaqs (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/game/589678.html) script if you want to understand what was going to happen but then they changed directions and went with the Normal ending.
This anime made it seem like he doesn't care what happens. I never played the game but was it as twisted as this anime was? Netherworld was the good and Heaven was the bad.. because that is exactly what it was.
This followed the game endings exactly from ep 9 on, but is a mix of the endings.
I just saw the anime! I really hope that they have lots of seasons o.o
Remittance Man
2006-08-06, 13:37
Has anyone seen it? It's SO CUTE!
*huggles Flonne* She's even MORE adorable in Japanese!
Etna is much cuter :D
But there is already a thread for this show:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=26685&highlight=Disgaea
Etna is much cuter
Flonne is cute in an innocent angelic way and Etna's cute in a devilish way.^^
but Laharl is the cutest of the three. :heh:
Broccoli is translating the Disgaea MANGA. I'm squealing with joy.:D
19th Dec seems a busy day for Geneon, another new release announced.
19th December 2006, Disgaea Volume 1, 100 minutes (first four episodes so it looks like the entire series will be on 3 DVDs), retail price of $30 therefore expect an on-line price of under $19.
Yep...it's been fansubbed, and it is SO AWESOME! It's...well. Has anyone seen it? It's VERY anime-esque, and it is not for the faint of heart....a.k.a. anyone who cannot see something that is uber-cute without squealing, MIYUKI!
Catgirls
2006-08-29, 16:13
Yep...it's been fansubbed, and it is SO AWESOME!Yes, there is already a thread for this series here in the DVD & Licensed forum. Please make sure you Search next time before starting a new thread to see if an existing thread already exists. Also, please make sure you read the rules about discussing fan-subs of licensed anime:
+ 1.1 Unlicensed Anime or Manga only (http://forums.animesuki.com/faq.php?faq=rules#faq_rules_1_1)
=^.^=
Both Volume 1 and Volume 1 + Boxset are available for preorder at retailers.
Disgaea Volume 1 - The Netherworld Prince, release date 19th December 2006, 100 minutes.
DVDPacific (http://www.dvdpacific.com/item.asp?ID=750694) $18.61
Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Desgaea-Vol-1-Netherworld-Prince/dp/B000I2JSWQ/sr=1-2/qid=1159971165/ref=sr_1_2/104-4166184-3939155?ie=UTF8&s=dvd) $26.99
Disgaea Volume 1 - The Netherworld Prince (with Collectors Box), release date 19th December 2006, 100 minutes.
DVDPacific (http://www.dvdpacific.com/item.asp?ID=754677) $24.82
Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Disgaea-Vol-1-Netherworld-Prince/dp/B000IONJIS/sr=1-1/qid=1159971165/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-4166184-3939155?ie=UTF8&s=dvd) $29.99
The retail price for the DVD is $30 and as expected it's under $19 from DVDPacific. The Amazon price seem a bit high at the moment, only 10% off, normally you see 25% discount. Not that it matters, I'll be getting the boxset from DVDPacific as usual :)
Wonder if there will be any extra included with the boxset?
i just finished watching the series, overall not bad... the animation quality could've been better. =\
They pushed the date back to early January, those Geneon bitches. >=[
too bad its only 12 eps long = / kinda wish it was loner =/ =/
I liked it but the first disk is pretty bad. The 2nd and 3rd fix it but the 1st was just a hack job.
Though in the dub I wish they did Midboss better. He was great in Japanese but he didn't have the same presence in the Dub.
I've never played the original game (yet, although I do own it), but I've read so much up about it that it sounded so incredibly exciting and witty. Even when I watched the promo trailer, I was blown away by how vibrant it looked - how fluid each character moved, and how dropdead sexy the battle between Laharl and Mid-Boss looked. I even swore that these were actual scenes taken from the series itself.
When the show finally premiered... what did we get? Incomplete-looking artwork. Half-assed animation. Terrible filler gags. Lame boss battles that never last for more than 10 seconds - if they ever happened at all. And I hated how they opted to use one particular ending over the canon one. Whatever I had read up about the original game I didn't see in this anime adaptation - not because I expected to be just like the game, but because I expected it to be just like how I saw it in the trailer. Even judging it as a show by itself, it was a travesty.
It does not seem like there has been subsequent seasons of this anime, but based on the multiple endings and secret missions in the original game (and expansion in 'Afternoon of Darkness' remake for the PSP) not to mention the sequels others have mentioned (can't comment since haven't played) we can always hold out hope that there will be enough garnered interest for additional anime.
It's not just Disgaea either, the 2 secret females in the game for example, had their own games, and Laharl and Etna are guest characters in other games which I found out on the Disgaea wikia.
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