How to neutralize an otome? [Archive]

Anh_Minh

2005-12-27, 08:35

Ronin Aquila

2005-12-27, 08:49

Would it work if people loaded waterpistols and shot them on the face?

I take it you have been reading William S. Burroughs' Naked Lunch, have you not?

Anyways, Natsuki stated explicitly that the substance in question had to be directly inducted inside the system of the Otome in question.

Ergo, short of intercourse or syringe, mere contact is not enough to terminate an Otome's abilities.

Anh_Minh

2005-12-27, 08:59

Oh. OK.

How about aiming for the mouth or something? Or semen coated darts?

Ronin Aquila

2005-12-27, 09:07

Not necessarily semen, mind you.

PSA (Prostate Specific Agent) or the Y-Chromosome are the actual catalyst, not the semen itself.

So any items coated in those would do.

Matrim

2005-12-27, 09:18

So if the people in the Otome world had any brains it would take just a bit of sharp objects action (darts, arrows or whatever) and no more Otomes? Well, I guess this happens when you use stupid plot devices in order to promote lesbianism among the Otomes. I guess Aswawd and Shwarz are really stupid for not figuring out what weapons to use. :)

Tremalkinger

2005-12-27, 09:41

I think you're all taking this a bit too literally. In Mai HiME, people powered each other's summons through emotions. Why are emotions any less dangerous in Mai Otome?

So, Sunrise took the concept and threw some technobabble onto it. At the very least, I would hope it would take the emotions of love PLUS contact with their deadly weakness to have any effects.

Matrim

2005-12-27, 09:47

At the very least, I would hope it would take the emotions of love PLUS contact with their deadly weakness to have any effects.

I'd like that too but it wouldn't make much sense considering that the nanomachines are, you know, machines and as such would have a hard time figuring out whether the person they are inside of is in love or not.

Preston

2005-12-27, 09:55

I'd like that too but it wouldn't make much sense considering that the nanomachines are, you know, machines and as such would have a hard time figuring out whether the person they are inside of is in love or not.

It a story, and in the end, you can't expect to much realism from such a series as this. And thats kind of like saying, we don't have the technolodgy for machines in the Terminator films, what a stupid plot device. If Sunrise wanted the nanomachines to work from love, they would just have to imply it with a bit of storytelling, and I can assure you the majority of us would just accept it. Don't you think the whole idea of the Otomes is far more ridiculous than nanomachines working off love, or anything else?

Matrim

2005-12-27, 10:04

Don't you think the whole idea of the Otomes is far more ridiculous than nanomachines working off love, or anything else?

No, I don't. I can buy some machines giving people superpowers but I would have hard time buying machines which can recognize when people are in love. If it was some kind of magic - then yes. I don't expect too much realism but such machines would really stretch the concept of suspension of disbelief, as far as I am concerned.
Not to mention that it's implied that love isn't the major factor, sex is. If not being in love saved the otomes from losing the nanomachines Nao could easily marry secretly to some rich guy and stay an Otome. :)

Ronin Aquila

2005-12-27, 10:27

It a story, and in the end, you can't expect to much realism from such a series as this. And thats kind of like saying, we don't have the technolodgy for machines in the Terminator films, what a stupid plot device.

You simply cannot be too logical when watching heroic fantasy, otherwise you won't be able to enjoy humane and toucing stories like Terminator 2: Judgement Day, in which a machine earns his soul by learning to love and value life. :(

Preston

2005-12-27, 10:30

No, I don't. I can buy some machines giving people superpowers but I would have hard time buying machines which can recognize when people are in love. If it was some kind of magic - then yes. I don't expect too much realism but such machines would really stretch the concept of suspension of disbelief, as far as I am concerned.
Not to mention that it's implied that love isn't the major factor, sex is. If not being in love saved the otomes from losing the nanomachines Nao could easily marry secretly to some rich guy and stay an Otome. :)

I wasn't even suggesting that love was a factor in influencing the nanos. What I was saying was how I can't get how you accept a bunch of magical nanomachines giving people superhuman powers, and then say you wouldn't accept them working from love.

You simply cannot be too logical when watching heroic fantasy, otherwise you won't be able to enjoy humane and toucing stories like Terminator 2: Judgement Day, in which a machine earns his soul by learning to love and value life. :(

That was kind of the point I was trying to make.. Please don't think I was being so dense as to say that Terminator was a bad film because it had very unrealistic plot points, quite the contrary, I applaud and enjoy the film. I was just using it as an example.

Matrim

2005-12-27, 10:34

Tremalkinger

2005-12-27, 10:40

The nanomachines aren't exactly magical, I view Mai Otome more as sci-fi than fantasy. I could buy future nanomachines that gives people the ability to fly and so on but not machines who understand when person is in love. And sure, my opinion is quite subjective, feel free to disagree.

Okay, fine. But the idea of purely mechanical nanomachines which can exist indefinitely inside the human body but are destroyed by semen isn't exactly sensible science fiction either. Why would semen (which, by the way, doesn't enter the bloodstream where nanomachines live unless you're doing something REALLY kinky) have any negative effect on the tiny machines that countless other microscopic particles don't?

If you're going to be selective about which scientific improbabilities you choose to disbelieve, try to at least not let it interfere with your enjoyment of the series.

Ronin Aquila

2005-12-27, 10:43

That was kind of the point I was trying to make.. Please don't think I was being so dense as to say that Terminator was a bad film because it had very unrealistic plot points, quite the contrary, I applaud and enjoy the film. I was just using it as an example.

Hardly, sir/madame/miss. I was supporting your previous point.

To this day, 13 years and 25 viewings later, I still cry each and every single time The Terminator hugs John for the very last time. :(

Man I love the First Two movies. ;)

Matrim

2005-12-27, 10:50

Okay, fine. But the idea of purely mechanical nanomachines which can exist indefinitely inside the human body but are destroyed by semen isn't exactly sensible science fiction either. Why would semen (which, by the way, doesn't enter the bloodstream where nanomachines live unless you're doing something REALLY kinky) have any negative effect on the tiny machines that countless other microscopic particles don't?

If you're going to be selective about which scientific improbabilities you choose to disbelieve, try to at least not let it interfere with your enjoyment of the series.

I already said that the semen destroying the nanomachines is in my opinion a stupid plot device. I just think it's a bit more sensible from a scientific point of view than the destruction of the nanomachines being triggered by feelings of love. But if we throw reason out of the window and suspend disbelief, the second option would be preferable since it doesn't portray the opponents of the Otome system as total idiots and it actually puts the otomes in difficult position as opposed to them simply using condoms.

Believe me, I am trying not to let my love of finding plot holes interfere with my enjoyment of the series but it's hard.

Befgrek

2005-12-27, 11:28

Wow... I really didn't expect this thread to turn into anything similar to a serious discussion when I first read it.

My take on this subject would be: Yeah, semen-darts or whatever would work. (Good luck on actually getting a hit though, those otomes are pretty darn fast, and who knows how much those robes works as armor...) But... It would make a pretty stupid/boring/weird story. Just like the whole "then why don't they use condoms!?"-thing. It's a plot device. Let's not take it too seriously. ;)

KanaKaishou

2005-12-27, 11:35

Just like the whole "then why don't they use condoms!?"-thing. It's a plot device. Let's not take it too seriously. ;)

Because while they have super nano fighting, they don't have rubber? :D :D

SnakeLegend

2005-12-27, 11:53

why not load your 'gun' and just shoot off the target >.>

Anh_Minh

2005-12-27, 12:17

Condoms break. And I'm also going to assume that Otome are chosen, among other things, for their self-discipline, and aren't going to frivolously risk losing their powers.

Pleroma

2005-12-27, 12:59

You know the H-doujins are gonna have a field day with that ^^

USCPharmacist

2005-12-27, 12:59

dart them with a sniper rifle full of hot semen dart would work I guess hehhe. Oh well it just a cartoon man, so lighten up. It is also possible that the nanos were program to die when there is a chance the otome we become pregnant, so the whole think is a design feature and not flaw. Yoko could be just wrong or lying to every coral otomes so they don't go and make babies lol. I really don't think otome should have kids and still be the body guard of the king and the entire country due to conflict of interest. So it makes sense that the whole sperms kill nano by design makes sense, and you wouldn't want to tell people that it is by design because then they'll try to find a way around it :).

Maybe that's what Mai is doing, trying to find the achient tech of lamb skin condom, first invented by the Roman a few thousands years ago....OH SHI- there are no sheep on Earl LOL

Preston

2005-12-27, 15:40

Hardly, sir/madame/miss. I was supporting your previous point.

To this day, 13 years and 25 viewings later, I still cry each and every single time The Terminator hugs John for the very last time. :(

Man I love the First Two movies. ;)

I also really like the first two films. The third was.. well.. awful quite honestly. I was expecting a real war between humans and machines after two (undoubtable excellent) chase films.

Anyway.. back on topic. I don't think that the nano's weekness to semen is a flaw, but an intentional addition. The creators simply wanted to restrict the freedom of the people that held the powers the nanos granted. Not that I agree with the system.

Sinestra

2005-12-27, 18:50

If contact with semen kills their nanomachines, how much - and where - is enough to do so?

Would it work if people loaded waterpistols and shot them on the face? Or does it have to be "fresh"? Would bukkake work?

Or does it have to be actual intercourse?

He has good point here but in theory nano machines are suppose to be made up of protein they are basically living machines that can create copies of them selves with using what ever materials are around they would include anything in the body they would not harm the body anyway they would be given a set of commands to follow when they were created if people who created the nanmachines wanted to protect the otome they would just have to give the nanomachines another set of protocalls its just like programming a robot to follow a specific path however i did think that the waterguns filled with sperm was quite funny

Akuma-sama

2005-12-27, 19:40

Let's hope Catgirls doesn't see this thread, or he'll be suddenly struck by random lightning bursts... :heh:

I still say Miyu has a secret "tentacle" mode that can take out any Otome. They ARE schoolgirls, and are therefore extremely vulnerable to them. XD

Kieli

2005-12-27, 20:17

Let's hope Catgirls doesn't see this thread, or he'll be suddenly struck by random lightning bursts... :heh:
I think Catgirls is a "she"....but I could be wrong. And I'm pretty sure even therapy couldn't help straighten out some of these whack theories. O_o Guess I should never wonder what you people are smoking.

MakotoFatora

2005-12-27, 20:26

Geez, doesn't anyone know the gender of the mods? First NSW, now Catgirls....someone do a MiakaCheck and go grope them. :p

Anyways, I have to say this thread really cracked me up this morning at work for the first few posts...I'm surprised to see it got serious for a while :D

Kieli

2005-12-27, 20:28

Geez, doesn't anyone know the gender of the mods? First NSW, now Catgirls....someone do a MiakaCheck and go grope them. :p
LMAO! Good idea! Heeeerrre Kitty Kitty. :heh:

Takemi_Ikazuchi

2005-12-27, 21:13

You neutralize otomes with an anti materializer, which Miyu has..

lana3007

2005-12-28, 22:06

What I'd like discuss is the whole thing about Otomes not being able to sleep with men because it would destroy nanomachines in their body.

Call me stupid but I just don't get it! It makes sense in theory: so an Otome has nano technology in her body and when certain male reproductive substance enters her body it breaks the nanotechnology down. So she loses her power as an Otome, but what is stopping her from getting a new batch of nanotechnology injected in her body again? Unless she gets pregnant none of the semen stays within her body.

I'd like to hear other people's opinion on this.

Tempest35

2005-12-28, 22:13

It's not just that, it's the PSA Antigen-whatever-thing. ^^; I guess that they assume once a girl's done the deed, what's to stop her from doing it again? That and it's probably expensive as hell to get the nanos injected anyway (HIGH tuition cost).

And also the fact that even if an Otome had a child, then got nanos re-injected, her loyalties will now be split between her country and her new family. A country can't afford someone with that much power to hesitate on its behalf. That's the opinion from this sleepy head. ^^v

Kieli

2005-12-28, 22:22