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imperialmog

2006-01-06, 23:50

It seems that the story is set up where Erstin has a big target placed on her, but then again who would she have as an enemy? She isn't the type to make enemies now.

Now I did notice that Arika does treat Shizuru more normal than anyone that isn't Natsuki. It's that even though Shizuru can be a bit distant and standoffish at times, she is very friendly and huggable to people she does associate with.

Tremalkinger

2006-01-06, 23:53

in which episode is this going to happen?? or are you just assuming?

As I stated in my post, it's a list of things that I want to happen, not things that have happened.

Varion

2006-01-06, 23:54

You'd have thought...but she DID notice just in all the wrong ways. Can we say Psycho Tomoe? That's not good either!

Psycho Tomoe is coming... Arika better hide. Not that Tomoe could beat her anyway... that will be a performance to watch ;)

It seems that the story is set up where Erstin has a big target placed on her, but then again who would she have as an enemy? She isn't the type to make enemies now.

Nope, she isn't... but if they all end up as a part of the war it won't matter - anyone on the opposing side is her enemy, and that's just going to make it all that more tragic :(

Xellos-_^

2006-01-07, 00:09

It seems that the story is set up where Erstin has a big target placed on her, but then again who would she have as an enemy? She isn't the type to make enemies now.

Tomeo anyone :eyebrow: What better way to stirke at Arika then through her friends :upset: Arika is th etype gets hurt more when hurt her friend then when you hurt her :rolleyes:

And out of Arika's friends who is weakest in the physical dept :eyebrow: Lovable, huggle and bouncable Erstin :mad:

Kieli

2006-01-07, 00:15

And out of Arika's friends who is weakest in the physical dept :eyebrow: Lovable, huggle and bouncable Erstin :mad:
*CRY* Don't hurt Erstin! :help:

USCPharmacist

2006-01-07, 02:05

All these Akane, Arika talk are good and all but howcome nobody mention about Nina obsession with spicy food? I mean she poured the whole bottle of tobasco sauce on her pizza man, that girl is the crazy heehhe

Shigan

2006-01-07, 02:21

I know I know! I'll die if they hurt Erstin
*symphatetic hand on Kieli's shoulder*

It's been great Kieli, it's been great... *walks off, sad*

XD But I wish I could see it elseway, while not being overly convinced of that she would be the initial victim to whatever that is about to unfold, I just -cant- see her surviving to the end. For no other reason than that "offing" her would have such a enourmous impact on our coral girls.

Did anyone notice that Nina has a sauce fetish too? XD I think it may be tabasco.

PuRpLe CryStaL

2006-01-07, 02:34

Did anyone notice that Nina has a sauce fetish too? XD I think it may be tabasco.

Yea. I noticed that Nina seems to like having lotsa sauce (don't know what sauce) on her pizza :heh: Normally we see Nina eating gracefully in her sch's cafeteria & she appears to be the opposite of Arika in the restaurant (enjoying her food enthusiastically). Nina with Specs = Sexy! Irina without specs looks great too :D I can't get enough of Natsuki's helpless facial expression (the one in Episode 6 and Episode 13). She nvr fails to make me giggle with her :uhoh:

I wonder will Arika write abt her feelings for Sergay in her weekly letters to "Ojisama". I would love to see how Sergay reply and respond to those letters if he was to receive them :heh:

PS: Fret Not, I doubt Ers will be hurt. *Give Kieli some chocolate cookies*

Starks

2006-01-07, 04:25

According to this chart...

http://xs60.xs.to/pics/05512/myOtome_01.jpg

Miya is from Remus...

Yayoi is from Romulus...

DO THE MATH!

Pazu

2006-01-07, 06:42

I have to say, Arika's reactions cracked me up...."No way!" :heh: I think she's just as petrified that her sickness might have something to do with Sergay. Nina's reaction was priceless...("Huh?!" *surprised look*). It seems that Nina is finally starting to warm up to Arika when this silliness (the possibility of a Sergay/Arika pairing) crops up. Shizuru has definitely taken a shine to Arika. I've never seen her be so affectionate to anyone but Natsuki.

That being said, I think one of the reasons why Shizuru is so attached to Arika is for her earnestness and her innocent rapport. Arika does a bit of hero worship of Shizuru but not to the sickening lengths most of the students tend to go to. Arika sees her as someone to emulate but treats her more as a person than as an unattainable object or idol. Shizuru and Arika have natural, relaxed conversations, as if they'd known each other forever. What a feat for an unknown student! Tomoe could use a few lessons from Arika in that regard. That type of behaviour seems to make Shizuru close in on herself and become distant. Arika managed to touch Shizuru's humanity and that's no small feat. Like I said before, the only other person that seems to have been able to do that is Natsuki.

very nice said :)
just have to agree ^^

I would like to add something more.
Lots of viewers think that Arika is ... well... too great in this show.
So thinks Natsuki and Shizuru. They expect pretty bad events in the future (well, they have some experiences from previous season ;) ) and they want to have Arika on their side then. Natsuki is doing it in her own way (letting Arika to study in Garderobe, or not cancelling contract between her and Mashiro) and Shizuru in her own way. I can imagine Arika having lots of doubts when forced to betray Shizuru.

ZeusIrae

2006-01-07, 07:09

According to this chart...

http://xs60.xs.to/pics/05512/myOtome_01.jpg

Miya is from Remus...

Yayoi is from Romulus...

DO THE MATH!

They are going to kill each other.And let me guess,they are close friends.

Kieli

2006-01-07, 12:24

vI can imagine Arika having lots of doubts when forced to betray Shizuru.
Honestly I hope it never comes to that.
PS: Fret Not, I doubt Ers will be hurt. *Give Kieli some chocolate cookies*
Ohhh chocolate cookies.....Purple Crystal knows my weakness *munches happily*
*symphatetic hand on Kieli's shoulder*

It's been great Kieli, it's been great... *walks off, sad*

XD But I wish I could see it elseway, while not being overly convinced of that she would be the initial victim to whatever that is about to unfold, I just -cant- see her surviving to the end. For no other reason than that "offing" her would have such a enourmous impact on our coral girls.
I swear Shi-san, you're going to give me an aneurysm at this rate :upset: NOT HELPFUL!

I was chatting with Kourin last night and she corrected me about the guy in black on the cliff. She thinks its a Schwarz assassin and that they are very close to acquiring the technology that Garderobe and apparently the Black Valley faction already have. This here is going to be an ugly war folks :twitch:

Apparently Shizuru made mention about being like Tomoe when she was younger. Did anyone catch that exchange in its entirety? Other than Arika asking Shizuru if she had ever been in love before, I missed some apparently key things that were said.

And Tomoe is REALLY outing herself this time. She's getting rather sloppy with her comments (especially that one about Mai while they were in the library and her running after Shizuru). Methinks a certain group of girls are going to have to start watching their backs while Tomoe is around. :eyebrow:

coefficientX

2006-01-07, 13:20

Apparently Shizuru made mention about being like Tomoe when she was younger. Did anyone catch that exchange in its entirety?
Hmmm Tomoe tried to tell Shizuru something (most likely confession :p ) but Shizuru didn't give her the chance. I feel that Shizuru knew that Tomoe likes her in a special way. Anyway before Tomoe had the chance to say anything, Shizuru told Tomoe that the latter will soon promote to be a Pearl. Shizuru said that Tomoe is like the old her. She then told Tomoe to move on ahead without taking unnecessary paths (gawd i have problem phrasing this sentence). :heh: Seems to me that Shizuru suspects Tomoe is the Arinko-bully. :uhoh:

Diodati

2006-01-07, 13:33

Apparently Shizuru made mention about being like Tomoe when she was younger. Did anyone catch that exchange in its entirety?
but Shizuru didn't give her the chance. I feel that Shizuru knew that Tomoe likes her in a special way. Anyway before Tomoe had the chance to say anything, Shizuru told Tomoe that the latter will soon promote to be a Pearl. Shizuru said that Tomoe is like the old her. She then told Tomoe to move on ahead without taking unnecessary paths (gawd i have problem phrasing this sentence). Seems to me that Shizuru suspects Tomoe is the Arinko-bully.
Interesting... there are similarities between the two, but I doubt Shizuru knows how ''on the edge'' Tomoe actually is (far more than HiME-Shizuru was...Tomoe is even less 'stable'..)

Shizuru saying ''unecessary paths'' could mean, for example, focusing all your attention and effort on a 'pointless' crush when you could obviously achieve a lot elsewhere etc...

Yes xD Her timing was just too perfect, and Shizuru seemed a bit happier to see Arika than she did Tomoe.

Awww don't say that *lol*

They're basically wafting this (non) thing between Arika and Shizuru in her face, I really hope she didn't see Shizuru's ''Sei moment'' just after, boy would she get her wires crossed.

I know I'll say this now: ''I feel a bit sorry for her'' - and next episode I'll be ripping her to shreds. At least she's trying to communicate 'genuinely', albeit I'm not sure where she thinks a love declaration could go...

That being said, I think one of the reasons why Shizuru is so attached to Arika is for her earnestness and her innocent rapport. Arika does a bit of hero worship of Shizuru but not to the sickening lengths most of the students tend to go to. Arika sees her as someone to emulate but treats her more as a person than as an unattainable object or idol. Shizuru and Arika have natural, relaxed conversations, as if they'd known each other forever. What a feat for an unknown student! Tomoe could use a few lessons from Arika in that regard. That type of behaviour seems to make Shizuru close in on herself and become distant. Arika managed to touch Shizuru's humanity and that's no small feat. Like I said before, the only other person that seems to have been able to do that is Natsuki.
Yeah I definitely agree - Shizuru seems to be quite charmed by Arika's breaking of convention. Not many pupils would walk around with a Pillar in total ease and ask the sort of direct questions that Arika does. The girl speaks to Shizuru like she would a friend, or even a relative, and the same holds true in reverse. I doubt Sunise would have Shizuru openly touchy-feely with any other pupil, this friendship with Arika is on a level which seems so platonic and innocent, 'because' it's Arika. The viewers nor the characters (except Tomoe) aren't going to read as much into it because it's Arika.

The hug/kiss seemed to stem from Arika's question (Natsuki Natsuki Natsuki) rather than Shizuru having the sudden urge to get lovey with her ''adorable plaything''. I think this as the whole Tomoe / Shizuru / Arika sequence began with Shizuru standing on the steps looking at Natsuki's office....she's always on her mind...aww.

And do anyone but me get the feeling of that Shizuru is quite aware of how Tomoe feels about her, but of course, its Shizuru we're talkng here
Heh Shizuru probably has excellent gaydar although her reaction was kinda surprising. Especially that look (http://img458.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled21un.jpg). I suppose the problem for Shizuru is how do you let someone down 'gently' when said person behaves like Tomoe. She's not a normal fangirl who you can sidestep.

But they're at most five years older than in Natsuki's picture. Yet Natsuki is ten or more years older than in the picture. So those have to be more flashbacks, unless I'm badly mistaken.
I think it's probably just a bit of a hiccup in the animation - I got the impression it's 'current time' and that they're all meant to be a similar age

Overall:
The episode had some interesting bits for me and some helleva cheesy ones. The ''marriage'' thing was baaaaad. I mean I'm happy they're happy (although it could still backfire on them horribly), but did it have to be something that combined elements of The Graduate with Days Of Our Lives in it?!

I don't have much to add to the Sergai and Arika ''thing'' - except it's predictable as hell. I'll be more disappointed if Sergei, as a love item, begins to form an intrinsic line in any serious developments in the future. And while I doubt Arika/Sergay will go romantic, I have an inkling it will continue into the future Nina vs Arika. And here I was, hoping for a conflict based on attitude and ideology. Nope. It's the old cliche - which btw doesn't have to make sense from here on out as we can drum it down to teenage angst.

I now appreciate Nina's predicament far more - she came across well in this episode. Arika's up in cloud cuckoo and her character could end up anywhere.

imperialmog

2006-01-07, 14:16

And I also doubt that Arika has had the equivilent of "the talk" as well. She just seems a bit naive towards those types of matters.

That and with Tomoe I see her losing it rather bad due to unrequited love. When someone wants to feel loved romantically and doesn't get any in return, it starts messing with your head after a bit. Though she should know that Shizuru is near impossible to be with. *if for no other reason than she's taken*

Am I still the only one who thinks its likely that the academy and Aswald will eventually join up to deal with the Schwartz and/or any other force unknown to us? That and who is the head of the Schwartz? *Dark helmet?*

frodo1701

2006-01-07, 15:56

And Tomoe is REALLY outing herself this time. She's getting rather sloppy with her comments (especially that one about Mai while they were in the library and her running after Shizuru). Methinks a certain group of girls are going to have to start watching their backs while Tomoe is around. :eyebrow:

I can see this falling apart very quickly. Tomoe overhearing Arika confessing, maybe to Erstin, her worry that she may be in love. Tomoe will assume it's Shizuru she is in love love with. This will be the proverbial straw which breaks the camels back. Everyone get out of the way when this happens. Arika and all of her friends are targets at that point.

Maceart

2006-01-07, 16:01

Akane fans rejoice! Mai-Otome 13 out from Doremi-fansubs.

Catgirls

2006-01-07, 17:09

Akane fans rejoice! Mai-Otome 13 out from Doremi-fansubs.Thanks again for your hard work. :)

guest

2006-01-07, 17:16

I can see why Tomoe remembles the "young" Shizuru. That is what makes me worried.

On one hand, I want to say that I feel sorry for Tomoe. This must be painful for her. But she really is much less likable than the young Shizuru. Shizuru does not "cheat," make people do dirty work for her, and pretend to be a good girl. Tomoe has far cross that line. When I feel sorry and have great sympathy for the young Shiziru, I can't say the same to Tomoe.

On the other hand, Shizuru did not turn worse (keep going on her rampage or kill herself) because Natsuki return her feelings in some way. It does not have to be in a romantic way but in a good way. Natsuki accept her as the way she is, trust her, and keep her close to her because she wants to. Even if Natsuki doesn't have romantic feelings to Shizuru, it means great deal to Shizuru, hence, "stablize" her.

But I think it goes both way. If Shizuru's personality is like Tomoe, I don't think Natsuki would put up with her, not to mention having a good relationship with her. Natsuki accept Shizuru becasue she likes her, whether in a romantica way or not, and Shizuru earn it.

xat

2006-01-07, 17:59

How about a little stretch; "young" can be an allusion to HiME. :)

QU4RK

2006-01-07, 18:59

Do you guys think that we can see Akane in her battle suit later? Because we can see that she's still wearing her Meister Gem. Maybe she'll come back with Kazu-kun as her Master perhaps?

Varion

2006-01-07, 19:11

Do you guys think that we can see Akane in her battle suit later? Because we can see that she's still wearing her Meister Gem. Maybe she'll come back with Kazu-kun as her Master perhaps?

Seems pretty possible. You don't need a third party to make a contract, as Arika and Mashiro showed, they still have the earring so it depends if they have the ring I suppose... and if she's given any incentive to get involved. Kazuya's renounced his country and Akane might as well have renounced hers so unless it strongly affects either them or people close to them they have no real reason to fight.

ifhaseth

2006-01-07, 19:12

Shizuru does not "cheat," make people do dirty work for her, and pretend to be a good girl.

Uh... yeah she does. If your name happens to be Haruka Armitage (or Suzushiro). It's all a matter of perspective. :p

Do you guys think that we can see Akane in her battle suit later? Because we can see that she's still wearing her Meister Gem. Maybe she'll come back with Kazu-kun as her Master perhaps?

If she's still eligible to be an Otome by then... :heh:

IMSabbel

2006-01-07, 19:20

Ha. The end of the preview was just a riot...
"Do what things?"--"Let my show you..."-"Kyaaaaa...." :D

Cyz

2006-01-07, 20:10

Akane finally has her turn to shine :) It's quite romantic in a way.

keikkaishi

2006-01-07, 20:41

I'm not sure if anyone posted about this before but the inauguration gave me the impression of a marriage ceremony. Where Akane is marriaged of to the Master. When she entered through the door, the two girls beside her carrying flowers are like the flower maids.
Very good episode. Has lots of classical moments:D love how dramatic the love speeches are. Lots of infomation/hints as to what could possibly happen. The Shizuru in this episode also played a role. I just love her actions:love: the teasings were quite cute. Seems like a war is going to happen soon. Could not wait to see what power Natsuki has to show. :D
Oh the end of the preview, I don't get it. Does it serve a purpose other than pure service (the dialogue)? Same with the other preview dialogue, some seem to have some connection to the pictures, others not at all.

guest

2006-01-07, 20:45

Uh... yeah she does. If your name happens to be Haruka Armitage (or Suzushiro). It's all a matter of perspective. :p

So you dislike/like Tomoe as much as you do to Shizuru then?

Ahiko

2006-01-07, 20:47

is it just me that got a somewhat corrupted download or is the rip rather bad?
Try viewing it with another program.

When WinMedia crashes or there's something wrong with audio not matching the video and v/v, I switch to RealPlayer and it usually works.

---------

As for Mai's role... They talked about it more with the Legend of the Fire String Ruby, but that only brought more questions than answers. :\ I'm interested to see more history about Mai in the upcoming episodes and what happened to her. As for the scenes in Mai's legend, the silhouette of the person Mai fell in love with looks like Sergey/Tate (he even wore the same clothes that Sergey wears), but if Mai and Sergey had an affair, he wouldn't be so obsessed with Rena, wouldn't he? So it might be another person.. probably the real Tate?.. That could be possible, but seems unlikely since Tate's character was used for Sergey. Maybe a twin?!

Then there's the scene with the old guy (forgot his name.. Schwarz?) and Nagi. Nagi's at it again with playing both sides. I guess we'll have to wait a bit to see what's going on.

Nagi was also talking to that old guy about "Finding the real princess was really worth it after all." Nagi should spill some beans to end some of our anxiety!!As for Arika, will she ever recover her Otome battle robe again? It'd be interesting to see the reactions of the others when they find out that she's already an Otome. And what happened to the Sapphire GEM?

Hehe. ^^ Kazu was so cool in this epi. Good for Akane!

Diodati

2006-01-07, 21:17

Uh... yeah she does. If your name happens to be Haruka Armitage (or Suzushiro). It's all a matter of perspective.
Heh, I suppose it does depend on perspective. IMO HiME-Shizuru didn't really ''cheat'' in the way Tomoe does (unless you mean HiME manga Shizuru, who did have some more 'debatable' tactics) Both are obviously intelligent in working in the background - Shizuru manipulated but it tended to be those people who were fully ''headstrong'' into the dirty work anyway (i.e. Haruka - who always seemed to have something to prove) Whereas Tomoe bullies people into it heh, Miya seems to have less of a choice.

So while they do have similarities,
- Tomoe herself is a more obsessional person - not just in viewing 'actions'
- Shizuru didn't plot to kill/severely endanger Takeda when he going gaga for Natsuki, nor view his friends as sacrificial to her schemes (EDIT: although she may have killed anyone post-22 if they posed a 'threat' to Natsuki, hmm, moving on)
- Tomoe is not 'frightened' about O-Shizuru finding out her feelings as this episode seems to confirm.

So you dislike/like Tomoe as much as you do to Shizuru then?
:heh:

I don't think ifhaseth was suggesting that (I hope) - just another similarity - Shizuru did/does have some sharp set of claws on her (I believe she will in Otome too), and even though she's fully capable she won't show them until she reaches a certain emotional point. The same will probably happen with Tomoe. Well, Tomoe is probably at that point right now - a scenario like Frodo's has a high chance of putting the nails in the coffin.

PS: Could anyone say they 'like like' Tomoe, as a person. I view myself as quite 'soft' on the character because her extremity does at least have some depth - she's interesting because she nuttier than a Gruyère almond sandwich.

And what happened to the Sapphire GEM?
Speculation that Miyu has it. But if she does then next episode ''may'' refer back to it (does anyone know if it's true that Miyu is meant to show up next episode...?)

Catgirls

2006-01-07, 22:43

Playback issues with Doremi-fansubs Episode 13 have been moved here:

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=27480

Anime Adoru

2006-01-07, 22:59

The Doremi translation says that Nagi claims Smith found the real princess, matter of fact. Was this mentioned before? Who is it? What am I missing?

Sigh, this series is driving me crazy.

guest

2006-01-07, 23:08

I don't think ifhaseth was suggesting that

I know. :) I was just trying to make a point that despite of all these, more people like Shizuru than Tomoe, A LOT MORE. If Shizuru has the same kind of "sharp set of claws" which makes people just dislike her, like they do to Tomoe, this is obviously poor established. There is a good reason. Their "sharp set of claws" are different. Hence the different resutls. Sorry, I get used to explain (or discuss or deal with) things in simplest ways.:heh:

Forever

2006-01-07, 23:12

Arika have a crush on sergey!

Damn why didnt sniper shoot through shizuru's head rather than her hair and hit the target as well?!

Ep 14 looks better. Looks like the otome war finally starting! Cant wait to see more action.

KanaKaishou

2006-01-07, 23:16

Yeah...Nina v. Arika is coming...yeah, that'll be a "totally expected" but for "unexpected reasons" fight.

lone_wolf

2006-01-07, 23:16

Maceart

2006-01-07, 23:24

I don't think Shizuru's penetrable by a mere "sniper shot"... i thought Otome were built like tanks. (or stronger than tanks).

ChainLegacy

2006-01-07, 23:25

I just watched this episode... Very good one, though I'm kind of skeptical about this falling in love with Sergei business... Can't say I'm completely on board.

lone_wolf

2006-01-07, 23:26

I don't think Shizuru's penetrable by a mere "sniper shot"... i thought Otome were built like tanks. (or stronger than tanks).

From the way Akane ripped that slave's arm off, I have to agree:heh:

Even Shizuru swung Gakutenou like it was a tether ball.:heh:

--Lone Wolf

coefficientX

2006-01-07, 23:30

Arika have a crush on sergey!

Damn why didnt sniper shoot through shizuru's head rather than her hair and hit the target as well?!
Because if that happened, there would be an angry mob of Shizuru fans at Sunrise's door...and there are quite a bit in Japan, I might add. :heh:

...and then I'd fly over and join them.:eyebrow:
*vigorously nodding head*
me too! i'll join the bombing action! :frustrated:

Hehe... Anyway i suddenly have the feeling that Shizuru might sacrifise herself at the last few episodes. Maybe Natsuki do like Shizuru this time round and join the latter in death? :heh:

lone_wolf

2006-01-07, 23:39

*vigorously nodding head*
me too! i'll join the bombing action! :frustrated:

Hehe... Anyway i suddenly have the feeling that Shizuru might sacrifise herself at the last few episodes. Maybe Natsuki do like Shizuru this time round and join the latter in death? :heh:

I like your avatar, coefficientX.:)

Ugh...I hope no one has to die...especially those two:( (crying in the corner)

--Lone Wolf

kari-no-sugata

2006-01-07, 23:49

The Doremi translation says that Nagi claims Smith found the real princess, matter of fact. Was this mentioned before? Who is it? What am I missing?

Sigh, this series is driving me crazy.

I think Nagi's comment there was more like: Was it really worth the effort trying to find the real princess then?
(ie if have this info on the Harmonium, then the "real princess" question becomes less relevant)

I'm not sure about this since his comment is rather vague.

D3athScythe

2006-01-07, 23:53

I just finished watching it, can't wait for the next episode~!
Otome battle =)

I though Shiz would be pissed off losing some of her hair =O

wonder whats gonna happen to Akane now >< no longer an Otome? (assuming stuff happens ^^")

PuRpLe CryStaL

2006-01-07, 23:56

I think Nagi's comment there was more like: Was it really worth the effort trying to find the real princess then?
(ie if have this info on the Harmonium, then the "real princess" question becomes less relevant)

I'm not sure about this since his comment is rather vague.

Yea. Now that Nagi has found out the requirements to obtain the power of Harmonium, I supposed he was (indirectly) trying to imply that isn't finding the singer, player & the protector more important to "rule the world" as compared to finding the "real princess of Windbloom"? Looks like there is alot more abt Harmonium & it must be very powerful enough to instill fears on many rulers.

ArchDragon

2006-01-08, 00:08

Finally watched the tl'ed version of ep. 13.

This is what happened if you make a series full of girls with only 1 guy in it:
- The legendary Otome needs a lover, stick him in there.
- The main char needs a love interest, stick him in there again.
Never mind the fact that he might have been a little pimp back in his childhood days.

Arika falling for Sergay is something that I've foreseen all along yet refused to admit it's possible.
But now that I think about it, Arika and Nina need to be rivals in just about every aspect imaginable; so why not in love too!

And the way Arika and Sergay interact reminds me of Mai and Yuuichi in HiME.
Fortunately, unlike Yuuichi, Sergay showed absolutely NO sign of romantic interest towards Arika; and I hope it stays that way!

Diodati

2006-01-08, 00:16

I was just trying to make a point that despite of all these, more people like Shizuru than Tomoe, A LOT MORE. If Shizuru has the same kind of "sharp set of claws" which makes people just dislike her, like they do to Tomoe, this is obviously poor established. There is a good reason. Their "sharp set of claws" are different. Hence the different results
Yes, definitely, and the Shizuru-Haters (you sinners!) will disagree - but for me: Shizuru was essentially ''a good person with some serious emotional problems'' and Tomoe is ''a bitch with some serious emotional problems''. So whatever similarities there are, and there are a few, they don't run deep enough in the overall motives. But it's interesting to wonder on what Shizuru was referring to this episode...

Damn why didnt sniper shoot through shizuru's head rather than her hair and hit the target as well?!
Because the sniper was either Natsuki or Tomoe :)
I did wonder myself why the sniper didn't take a shot at Shizuru, even if it didn't kill her, why waste the opportunity to have a go. Unless they did have a go but missed. Or there's a Shizuru T-shirt hiding under that black robe.

Hehe... Anyway i suddenly have the feeling that Shizuru might sacrifise herself at the last few episodes. Maybe Natsuki do like Shizuru this time round and join the latter in death? :heh:
Heh why are you laughing about that!? I don't even want to think about it anymore.

Ugh...I hope no one has to die...especially those two :( (crying in the corner)
:( There there Wolfie, don't cry. Didn't you bag on severe injury instead of death? We can hope for that instead.
....
That was meant to be more comforting than it reads..

supposed he was (indirectly) trying to imply that isn't finding the singer, player & the protector more important to "rule the world" as compared to finding the "real princess of Windbloom"?
He has a point - although it's not crossed his mind that the two may be one of the same problem? That the Princess is likely to be one of them...

Shigan

2006-01-08, 00:23

There there Wolfie, don't cry. Didn't you bag on severe injury instead of death? We can hope for that instead.
....
That was meant to be more comforting than it reads..
*sits in corner, in a cloud of gloom*

:(

Ahiko

2006-01-08, 00:26

The silhouette of the guy in Mai's Legend looked like Sergey or Tate in Sergey's clothes. :)

velocity7

2006-01-08, 00:28

You'd think that Arika's love interest is just as bad as Sakura's interest in Yukito (CCS).

At least this episode had some more important points in it, especially:- Slaves used to require someone to be able to Materialize? Do they mean the enchantment back in episode 1?
- Finally, some stuff about Pillars. I keep hearing about this often here when nothing was stated yet...
- Countries finally using Otome to battle each other. Time to see some anti-war stuff... :)

ArchDragon

2006-01-08, 00:32

The silhouette of the guy in Mai's Legend looked like Sergey or Tate in Sergey's clothes. :)

Most likely Sergay, there's little reason for 2 nearly-identical male chars to co-exist in a mostly girl series.

Also, compare his hairstyle and his clothes to those of little Sergay, they look eerily similar.

Perhaps Sergay was actually Yuuichi who took a new identity for some reason?

Ahiko

2006-01-08, 00:42

But if Mai had fallen for Sergey, wouldn't he be obsessed with Mai as his past love interest instead of Rena? His and Mai's relationship most likely it would have been mutual (considering Mai's relationship with Tate and Z-HiME a somewhat "character reincarnation" of HiME).

That part didn't make sense to me. :/

Sergey's got the attention of all the ladies in Z-HiME. :P
Nina, Arika, and possibly Mai.

I wouldn't be surprised if Shiho were to end up doing so as well, but I'm hoping not since their interaction in this series is near none compared to Tate/Shiho in HiME.

lone_wolf

2006-01-08, 00:43

Ahiko

2006-01-08, 00:49

Most likely Sergay, there's little reason for 2 nearly-identical male chars to co-exist in a mostly girl series.

Also, compare his hairstyle and his clothes to those of little Sergay, they look eerily similar.

Perhaps Sergay was actually Yuuichi who took a new identity for some reason?
Not criticizing, just stating speculation:

If Mai had fallen for Sergey, wouldn't he be obsessed with Mai as his past love interest instead of Rena? His and Mai's relationship most likely would have been mutual (considering Mai's relationship with Tate and Z-HiME a somewhat "character reincarnation" of HiME). His feelings for Mai while she was studying to be an Otome would have outlasted those for Rena (boyhood crush). With the Legend, wouldn't he have had deep regrets for Mai's disappearance if he was the one she fell into confusion? I doubt it would have been easy for him to forget a relationship with Mai considering how the Legend was told. And his attention still toward Rena wouldn't make sense then. If he had an affair with Mai while she was studying to be an Otome, that would have been after the war in Windbloom 14 years earlier.. The interest in Mai would have been more current.

:/ confused~

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It might end up being that the Otome universe and the HiME universe collide some way near the 20s episodes and all of the answers become solved. -_-; (Assuming there's around 20 some eps like HiME.) But I hope that doesn't happen unless Sunrise pulls some more ingenious plot twists.

Mai's Legend with her seeking the future-knowing God in the forest reminded me of the Judgement Gate in Ah! My Goddess movie somewhat...

Shigan

2006-01-08, 00:50

True, and as we saw from episode 1, Sergey isn't beyond flirting - with women his own age *breaths out*

ArchDragon

2006-01-08, 01:19

If Mai had fallen for Sergey, wouldn't he be obsessed with Mai as his past love interest instead of Rena? His and Mai's relationship most likely would have been mutual (considering Mai's relationship with Tate and Z-HiME a somewhat "character reincarnation" of HiME). How his attention to Rena as a young boy to Mai while she was studying as a HiME would have stayed for Mai if those things from the Legend had happened. I doubt it would have been easy for him to deal with a relationship with Mai like Kazuya/Akane's and just let his attention go back to Rena. If he had an affair with Mai while she was studying to be an Otome, that would have been after the war in Windbloom 14 years earlier..

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It might end up being that the Otome universe and the HiME universe collide some way near the 20s episodes and all of the answers become solved. -_-; (Assuming there's around 20 some eps like HiME.) But I hope that doesn't happen unless Sunrise pulls some more ingenious plot twists.

Mai's Legend with her seeking the future-knowing God in the forest reminded me of the Judgement Gate in Ah! My Goddess movie somewhat...

So far, there's no proof that Sergay is still obsessed with Rena.
He said that Rena was his dream when he was Nina's age. <-- Emphasize on "was".

And just because he liked someone 15/16 years ago, doesn't mean he can't like someone else 10 years later.

The only argument against this speculation is the fact that Nina didn't find Mai's pictures in Sergay's photo album.

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-01-08, 01:26

Nina also knows the story too unlike the others who had to fish out a book, I would think she would've mentioned Sergay being the lover.

That and in comparison to the other girls he doesn't give Mai much of a thought anyways.

Though we'll see what unfolds.

D3athScythe

2006-01-08, 01:34

We really don't know much about Mai just yet >< only from the photo
and of 'her' when Natsuki talks.

sigh... its giving me a headache!
Next episode quiicklyy!

ArchDragon

2006-01-08, 02:07

That and in comparison to the other girls he doesn't give Mai much of a thought anyways.

You mean he (as in Sergay) or she (as in Nina)?

As one of the main chars, Nina is supposed to miss all hints until the plot demands that she notices.

And so far noone asked Sergay about Mai yet, but he did trip the guy who tried to stop Akane and Kazuya from eloping, as a sign of his approval.

Also, the way he asked Nina and Arika about the matter, seems to indicate that he was hoping to change their minds about being Otomes.

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-01-08, 02:13

You mean he (as in Sergay) or she (as in Nina)?

I was referring to Sergay and the way we see him think.

As one of the main chars, Nina is supposed to miss all hints until the plot demands that she notices.

And so far noone asked Sergay about Mai yet, but he did trip the guy who tried to stop Akane and Kazuya from eloping, as a sign of his approval.

Heck I would've done the same thing. Plus, we didn't see him angst or anything, he just did it like "oops." Don't you think his expression would've changed or something?

I would assume that Nina knows alot about the story because Sergay was the one who told her about it.

Also, the way he asked Nina and Arika about the matter, seems to indicate that he was hoping to change their minds about being Otomes.

That man:heh: One could say that he was reassuring them that being an Otome isn't the only thing in life for them. Hence Akane choose the other.

But hey I could be wrong.

Maceart

2006-01-08, 02:21

The more I look at this, the more I think Sergey is the "master pimp" of Mai-Otome.

He's around 25 right now in Mai-Otome

14 years ago, he was a student in Windbloom when it got attacked. So, he was 11 when he fawned over Rena.

Fast forward 5 years later, Mai/Natsuki and crew were graduating from Garderobe and ascerting Otome status. Sergay is 16, perfect age to fall in love with Mai. (a bit young I must say)

Something happened, and Mai went AWOL. Sergey said that he adopted Nina 6 years ago, when he was 19. So by then Rena's already (dead/gone), Mai's not there, and he's in a military position in Artai.

It's crazy, but it's possible for Sergey to be pimping with all three (+ Arika?) woman.

Lith Maethor

2006-01-08, 03:21

just finished watching the episode... it certainly ranks first so far...

Akane is the first otome to be chosen for meister duty while still a student... but thankfully Kazu-kun grows a spine and saves the day (alternatively, he is a sneaky bastard and got an otome for his country)

Akane and Kazu -finally- get a break (that was so cliche you did not expect it) ...for how long, remains to be seen...

several characters begin to realize or act more on their feelings (arika, tomoe, akane and kazu at least) ...lets hope they do not follow the example of the next two...

we kinda learn Mai was in love with someone who is a dead ringer (hopefully he stays dead this time) for Tate (maybe a younger Sergey)

we see nagi and the smith guy have a new toy to play with (and if not for the sniper, Akane would follow the way of Hurry)

and we find out not everybody plays nice and, as in the past, its the otome that get fubar

the only real problem... not enough screen time for Nagi, Natsuki and Shizuru ...yes yes, we also had no Mashiro at all, but i guess she has issues to be dealt with in episodes to come anyway

all in all... a great episode with lots of potential ...i just hope this time we avoid Mai/Tate situations... cause those two could benefit from a bullet in the head in Mai HiME

Guido

2006-01-08, 03:29

Don't you think Irina looks prettier without her glasses?

BBOvenGuy

2006-01-08, 03:37

Great googly-moogly, you people talk a lot. I wait for the subbed episode to come out, and now I've got 16 pages to go through. :eyespin:

I'll limit my comments to one point - Arika and Sergey. It seems Arika has a crush on him. Should we have seen that coming? Yup. I did a smack-yourself-on-the-forehead routine myself, I must admit. Girls Arika's age get crushes on men Sergey's age all the time. And besides, it sets up lots of angst and drama between Arika and Nina for later in the series.

Will the show "pay it off?" Nope. I honestly don't think so, for a number of reasons - only one of which is the Ew Factor.

Look back at Mai-HiME. For the entire series, they teased the audience with Mai/Tate and Mai/Rieto, and in the end they paid off neither. The people in charge of this show love to tease, but that's all they do - tease.

Secondly, the entire show is about Arika striving toward her goal of being an Otome. In a storyline like that, it's natural to throw obstacles in the main character's path, and that's what this is - an obstacle. Arika has just seen how feelings for a man can derail an Otome's entire dream. Now... dun dun DUN!!!! She may be feeling these same things in herself. What's going to happen? What will she do??? But really, is there any doubt what she'll do in the end?

Finally - again, look back at Mai-HiME. Who's together in the opening titles? Mai, Mikoto and Natsuki. Who's together at the end? Mai, Mikoto and Natsuki. Now look at Mai-Otome. Who's together in the opening titles? Arika, Nina and Mashiro. So who's going to be together at the end? I don't see Sergey in that picture.

So if you want to get all jumpy about the potential for a Sergey/Arika pairing, go right ahead - that's what the people in charge want. But personally, I don't believe for a minute that anything's going to come of it.

D3athScythe

2006-01-08, 03:53

what you say could very well be true~
however, who knows what going on inside Sunrise's mind~

P.S. Akira/Sergey's age difference! lolz... (not that it'll stop anyone)
(my father and his wife are 29 years different ><)

Ronin Aquila

2006-01-08, 04:07

Coolest Episode To Date:

The Inauguration of an Otome to Meisterhood uncomfortably paralells the rituals of matrimony, as she marries herself to the state in a sickening parody of marriage, with the passing of her ring to the master being a most cruel and ironic reversal of a husband passing his (life) onto his beloved wife.

Akane-Chan would have sold her soul to a sick cretin, whose lustful (for power) expression spoke volumes of his less than honorable intentions, had it not been for the coolest Wedding-Crash since Dustin Hoffman's objection in The Graduate, courtesy of Kazu-Kun, dashing-romantic-stud-heroic-cool-anime-guy of the week.

The Unapologetically-Uplifiting Romanticism of this episode won me completely over in this episode becoming my favourite of this series....

....so far at least. ;)

QU4RK

2006-01-08, 05:00

Finally - again, look back at Mai-HiME. Who's together in the opening titles? Mai, Mikoto and Natsuki. Who's together at the end? Mai, Mikoto and Natsuki. Now look at Mai-Otome. Who's together in the opening titles? Arika, Nina and Mashiro. So who's going to be together at the end? I don't see Sergey in that picture.

Have u seen the 2nd OP yet? Maybe they gonna change it a little bit (with Mai in it perhaps?? LOL). I don't know it either, since I haven't seen it yet...

Kinny Riddle

2006-01-08, 05:15

Nina looked great with glasses, makes her even more...er..."mature"? :heh:

Finally, Sunrise has given Akane and Kazu a happy break, for this episode at least. It's unlikely we'll see the merry couple again for many episodes, but at least this time they're happy. We salute your having the balls to do the stuff, Kazu!

Arika and Nina both vying for Sergay's attention, I can smell an angsty battle ahead. With Arika already having a contract with Mashiro, Nina would probably be contracted with someone in Artai, it may or may not be Nagi or Sergay.

There's something I need to ask, the Five Pillars of Galderobe are the only 5 Meisters who don't need a master right? And they have authority to activate Robe Materialization among Corals and Pearls. So far are Natsuki and Shizuru the only known Pillars? Mai is tipped to be one in her future, but she disappeared before they could offer the role to her.

JayF

2006-01-08, 06:13

Episode 13 also has the best next ep preview ever.

A bold Erstin demonstrating with Irina what people do after falling in love:D

Pazu

2006-01-08, 06:39

Damn why didnt sniper shoot through shizuru's head rather than her hair and hit the target as well?!

Think about it.
If Otome in her robe activated can be killed with a single bullet, it means that Otome are not so powerful. Any soldier can get rid of them easily.
So the main plot of the story that Otome-are-the-most-powerful-weapon is pointless, so whole show is pointless, so all these discussions about Mai-Otome are pointless...
So, yes, a sniper had to miss Shizuru's head ;)

Matrim

2006-01-08, 06:45

Yet another mediocre or maybe even bad episode. Arika was retarded as usual, the fight scene was nothing to write home about and Kazu entering the hall in the last moment to interupt the ceremony was the biggest cliche possible. The short story about Mai showed the conflict between love and duty well enough, I don't think we really needed Akane's love affair that much, they had already proven their point with Mai. The good news is that war finally broke out so maybe there is a chance this series will improve a bit.

DragoonKain3

2006-01-08, 07:03

I'd have to agree with Matrim; it wasn't the best episode so far. All it did for me is Mai's background story, which I think is the entire point of the episode. And hey, they need filler scenes in order to stretch the series right? Well, it's better than useless filler episodes IMO.

BTW, I think I have missed this before, and I would love to check back on it in previous episodes but I already deleted them. Who is Shinso? Has he/she ever been shown in the series? I don't remember someone with that name appearing before, though the name does ring a bell but I can't seem to recall.

Efreeta

2006-01-08, 07:12

BTW, I think I have missed this before, and I would love to check back on it in previous episodes but I already deleted them. Who is Shinso? Has he/she ever been shown in the series? I don't remember someone with that name appearing before, though the name does ring a bell but I can't seem to recall.

The Shinso is Fumi, meaning the "master" of all Otomes, the one who put an end to the War 50 years ago. Her mausoleum is at the top of Garderobe.
You can usually see a small statue of Fumi on Natsuki's desk... :)

Tokkan

2006-01-08, 07:24

... I thought she put an end to a war that was 300 years ago in Otome time, similar to how in HiME, the last HiME Carnival was 300 years before the events of the series.

DragoonKain3

2006-01-08, 07:27

I thought Fumi was dead? If that's the case, then how could she 'choose' the pillars, considering it is the Shinso's duty to choose them? So that means Fumi is still alive?

Tokkan

2006-01-08, 07:31

Or perhaps her spirit chooses them.

Efreeta

2006-01-08, 07:55

... I thought she put an end to a war that was 300 years ago in Otome time, similar to how in HiME, the last HiME Carnival was 300 years before the events of the series.

Yes, thanks for the correction. When I wrote, somehow I had on my mind the War mentioned by Miss Maria when she told the girls about her onee-sama... ops...:heh:

Shigan

2006-01-08, 08:08

Vallen Chaos Valiant

2006-01-08, 08:15

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-01-08, 10:48

Think about it.
If Otome in her robe activated can be killed with a single bullet, it means that Otome are not so powerful. Any soldier can get rid of them easily.
So the main plot of the story that Otome-are-the-most-powerful-weapon is pointless, so whole show is pointless, so all these discussions about Mai-Otome are pointless...
So, yes, a sniper had to miss Shizuru's head ;)

The sniper was aiming not to just kill the vendor but also take out the crystal. Given the way the battle was going, taking out Shizuru wasn't gonna help at all and he was already exposed with all those people around him.

Juju

2006-01-08, 11:34

I just rewatched Doremi's sub and gaaah, my symphaty-meter for Tomoe is going up. If her feelings are truly genuine, that's even worse since Shizuru obviously -is- gay but wont have her. Even so I' kinda glad, I don't know what had been worse, a guy Sergey's age cruising for 15 years olds or a woman Shizuru's age doing the same O_o.

*kicks Natsuki* CANT YOU BE JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSITIVE YOU....YOU!!! GAAAH!!!!

Sergey keeps scoring brownie points with me, to know when to put in a foot so to speak :D. Of course, this all shoots to hell if he decides that "yeah, the daughter of my childhood crush will do just as fine" X(

I don't think Shizuru was 'cruising' around for girls younger than she. Just got off watching #13 - so bear with. :p I do empathize with Tomoe, I agree...chalk it up as a heavy crush bordering obsession for Shizuru. And...I totally believe that Shizuru knows, but chose to diplomatically glance Tomoe's affections by telling her that she shouldn't spend so much effort when there are other things, re: school that're more important.

Which then transposed over to Arika. The hug/chaste kiss was nothing short of sympathy/empathy for the girl's situation - and again she skirted the girl's question of 'love'. Like a few other's on this board mentioned, the difference between how she treats Arika vice Tomoe is easily defined. Especially via Arika's -san to Tomoe's -sama reference. It's easier for someone to be closer to another person if you're treated with the same vice and not placed on a pedestal.

So far as the story went, Arika's sudden inflamed heart could have been dealt better IMO, instead of jumping right into her inability to be 'herself' - but..I suppose everyone got the gist of what the Sunrise brain-trust wanted to get across.

I like how Nina and Arika are getting closer, so I can't wait to see how this 'crush' will play in the long run (don't want it reciprocated by Sergay though... again though, Sunrise's discretion)

And being a newly inducted Shiz-Nat-ite... :p I'm aching to see them be played out more. But....considering they had their spotlight in HiME, well... <shrugs>

PCDK

2006-01-08, 12:34

Well I agree to that too...

To the Mai and "Tate" thing.... could it be that the "Tate" we see on the picture of him and Mai really is Sergay, so the felling from Arika to Sergay is really just the love felling from a dotter to her Father. It could also explain the hair color of Arika if Mai is her mother. (But that is often not considered in anime, since they usually have all kind of hair color) :heh:

But then Mai would not be able to have her Otome Powers anymore, or would she? Well... she is a pillar after all. :)

One thing is clear, I can feel it inside me like the most of you I think: DARKNESS IS COMMING! :uhoh:

Matrim

2006-01-08, 13:21

One thing is clear, I can feel it inside me like the most of you I think: DARKNES IS COMMING!

I really hope darkness is coming because if it isn't the series is going to follow the fate of Gundam Seed Destiny, in other words to end up being much worse than its predecessor.

Blaat

2006-01-08, 13:22

The question is can Sergey be Arika's father considering age difference?

Ronbo

2006-01-08, 13:26

So, does Nagi now know who the real Princess is, or was he just commenting on the information that Smith had obtained while looking for her?
Based on their conversation it could be taken either way and I was just wondering if anyone had any other insight as to what he meant.

Ronbo

2006-01-08, 13:29

The question is can Sergey be Arika's father considering age difference?

NO! Sergey would have only been about 10 at the time.
Unless Otome's ages are in dog years.

Blaat

2006-01-08, 13:39

NO! Sergey would have only been about 10 at the time.
Unless Otome's ages are in dog years.

Thanks for proving the point, I had no idea what Sergey's and Arika's are :heh:

PCDK

2006-01-08, 13:40

NO! Sergey would have only been about 10 at the time.
Unless Otome's ages are in dog years.

Well it could also just be Sergays father or grandfather, but it's probably just Sunrise who is giving a little smile to all of those who have watched My-HiME. There is quite a lot of those things.

Xellos-_^

2006-01-08, 14:19

The question is can Sergey be Arika's father considering age difference?

People seems to forget that 100 years ago in many cultures you are consider a man by 14 or 15. While the world MO hasn't gone back that far, it is sliding backwards.

Back to the orginal question, depending on when purberty hits, Sergy is old enough to be Arika and Nina's biological father. Whether he is socially old enough to be their father, I don't know. But the MO world does seems to be culturally a mix of middle age feduelism and new age progress.

-KarumA-

2006-01-08, 14:30

omg to me this will be the one epsioe where the word 'love'is central

i was trilled to se everyone have their love problems, i wonder what Nina will do if she finds out Arika has an eye for her father

i wonder if Tomoe will try and assasinate Natsuki XD somehow or another if she ever found about NatsukixShizuru
or if she will take it out on Arika, witch i certainly think so, since Arika walked of with Shizuru just when she tried to confess her love O.O;

i loved the way Akane handled, it made it soo sad!
i thought that she would be Kazu's Otome in the end but it seems not..
instead she does somehting beter she runs of with him like a runaway bride running away from a wedding with someone else !
though it didnt make me cry.. so no extra points for that.. XD

but im excited for next week's episode, seemingly the tanned Otome is going to fight, i like her by looks when she walked in on the eremony of Mashiro becoming queen, so thats gonna be awsome, i first thought Shizuru was going to fight since she transmitted the emergency call, but seemingly not, i dont mind, i dont want Shizuru to die so early, i dont want her to die at all, for poor Natuski's love!

And we know a bit of what happened to Mai :D, im glad about that but not all is explained about it, i know that after seeing an image of who loves who with arrows in the image threat

onwards to episode 14, aawh the week is soo long!
*looks beside her at her scanner* hey i found my hatt again, ife lost it for like a moth and it was under my scanner @-@ WTF!

Anh_Minh

2006-01-08, 15:09

Question: what happened to the Meister GEM and ring?

Did Akane made off with both and planned to be Kazu's Otome? Or will she remove her Gem (I guess it's easy if you're willing to not be an Otome anymore, and have a willing male helper...) and send it back to the school?

Radiosity

2006-01-08, 15:27

Matrim

2006-01-08, 15:47

I don't see Kazu dying, he will probably replace his evil father as a ruler of whatever his country is when the plan of the father to rule the world fails.

lone_wolf

2006-01-08, 16:33

Think about it.
If Otome in her robe activated can be killed with a single bullet, it means that Otome are not so powerful. Any soldier can get rid of them easily.
So the main plot of the story that Otome-are-the-most-powerful-weapon is pointless, so whole show is pointless, so all these discussions about Mai-Otome are pointless...
So, yes, a sniper had to miss Shizuru's head ;)

True, as the website mentions:

"Meister OTOME holds mighty power and it is said that the power is equivalent to the military strength of one country"

--Lone Wolf

Tempest35

2006-01-08, 17:27

Akane is a sensible girl. What happened was a rush of emotion as she was caught up in the situation. Therefore I'd imagine she will go and see Natsuki in person to properly and formerly leave the school. The #1 Pearl has nothing to fear from Natsuki; it's better that Akane is true to her feelings and Natsuki would take that same view (she may be cool, but she's not cold :) ).

That's what I'd hope would happen anyway. I was about to say that at least Akane won't have to deal with so much grief this time, but I guess there's still time for Kazu to die in the coming storm...

If anything, I see Natsuki THANKING Akane for finally being honest with herself, unlike 'other people' she knows. ;) (Mai and 'you know who') Although given her choice between Kazuya and that wierd old guy - almost too easy of a choice. :D

And another thing about Sergay not showing any feelings or hints that he's personally involved in Mai's story/legend...
Let me try to put it in another light. Say that you were responsible (at least partly) for the sudden disappearance of one of the top 5 generals of a neighboring nation, which is surrounded on all sides. Even though you are not a part of said nation, you're a pretty important person in one of the neighboring states - what can happen if they find out that the 'lil idiot' is YOU?
...
...
...
... can ayone say 'international incident'?

I can see why Sergay keeps his mouth shut. One wrong word and he'll at least have the entire ninja army of Zipang staring his butt down. :heh: Does Takumi know about Sergay's part in Mai's disappearance? That's iffy since we don't really know what the letter was about in the first place, but Takumi's a smart guy - he could figure it out.

PCDK

2006-01-08, 18:03

lone_wolf

2006-01-08, 18:25

Not to what is said above. But i noticed that the two Otome fighting each other was also in the picture with Mai. One of them i Perl and the other one is Coral otome at that time.
Could they be friends but forced to fight?

According to the image they, they were both corals.
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7929/flashbackotome3je.th.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashbackotome3je.jpg)

But yeah, it's possible they were close. In fact the image kind of conveys how close knit this group was.

--Lone Wolf

roon

2006-01-08, 18:40

There's something I need to ask, the Five Pillars of Galderobe are the only 5 Meisters who don't need a master right? And they have authority to activate Robe Materialization among Corals and Pearls. So far are Natsuki and Shizuru the only known Pillars? Mai is tipped to be one in her future, but she disappeared before they could offer the role to her.

An interesting thing to note (I'm not sure if anyone said this already) is that the pillars seem to have roman numerals on their meister dresses. Natsuki has II, and Shizuru has III (whoawhoa, I thought it would've been the other way around...? Does that mean Natsuki is more powerful? or that Natsuki became a pillar first?).

At first Miss Maria was shown wearing a meister dress, but she was covering where a number would be with her hands. In the scene right after Kazuya interrupts the ceremony, they show a far-away shot where you can clearly see the decor on Natsuki's dress, but it's absent on Miss Maria's. I guess this definitely kicks her out of Pillar status?

At any rate, the recurring theme seems to be:
Love vs. Dreams [of becoming an Otome]

In more ways than just Mai/Tate (or whoever that silhouette is) and Akane/Kazuya. One that will definitely get brought up is the love (of a different degree ;x) between a classmate/comrade, and fulfilling your dream of being a meister otome and following your master's orders. Though I guess that can be restated as Friendship vs. Dreams...

On that note, I love how Nina is warming up to Arika. The still of her bursting through the infirmary doors was great. Of course, I'm sure this will all break apart one way or another...

Anyway, where is the darkness?! Next episode please. I too hope this doesn't become like GSD was to GS.

PCDK

2006-01-08, 19:07

On that note, I love how Nina is warming up to Arika. The still of her bursting through the infirmary doors was great. Of course, I'm sure this will all break apart one way or another...

Yeah she is talking more to her. Answer her questions, ask her if she is allright and help her when she is not. :)
It will probably change when she find out the reason for her sadness. I can see it turn into something like Shiho vs. Mai in My-HiME. :upset:

Akuma-sama

2006-01-08, 20:04

Watched it twice; quite the enjoyable episode, and a lot of setting up (again)... the only part I didn't like was... well...
Read the review:

Ok, first off, my computer is giving me a hard time for reasons I ignore; ever since I installed the latest graphic drivers for my older-than-middle-aged (as in, from before the middle-ages), the video part tends to lag if there's any process running in the background. This, unfortunately, includes those fuhgheiging german flash ads Animesuki's forums are swamped with.
Firefox can't handle them well, I'm afraid. Or at least, it doesn't handle well when there's six tabs open, each with their own damned flash ad. :heh:

Back on subject, the story begins with Arika feeling down. Now. If I hadn't been properly spoiled, I would probably have been confused as hell; they did a poor job on developping Arika's crush to the Loli-magnet that is Sergei; there was no sign of it in last episode, excluding the heartbeat thing, and watching someone hug his adoptive daughter isn't exactly the best thing in the world to start a crush with.
...off subject again. :bash:

The café conversation, Akuma-sama-style:
Irina: "Usually you'd go: 'Wow, it's bouncy like Ers-chan's breasts', and you'd eat it and compare the taste-- er..."
Erstin: "I-Irina?!"
Nina: "Well, she is sweet enough to draw a comparison---why are you looking at me like that?"
Erstin, blushing: "N...Nina-chan..."

*cough* not Sorry 'bout that :D

I'm a bit dissapointed that that's all those Megane-Nina were about. Besides, unless Irina modified her glasses to make them adaptable to everyone, giving them to her wouldn't have helped her see better at all. Ever tried wearing someone else's glasses? Yeech!
Still, she's cute with 'em, I'll give her that :D

"Hnn~ Kechi!" *poke*
"Ah~!"
:D Arika ftw! XD

I don't like the fact that Irina points out Nina and Arika are getting along; who wants to bet it won't last? And who wants to bet it'll explode disastrously when it does? I do, I'll say why later...

Intro, nothing to say here... except that the name "Akane" is related to the japanese "Akai", which means Red; interesting pun on the title, but I have yet to see a sky splattered with Akanes to head towards...

Aww, Kazuya and Akane (or should that be Romeo and Juliet? (Nao: "Keep me out of this one.")) having a tender moment... and erg! Control, Kazuya! I know she's from Florence, but don't cost your rival country their Otome-in-training! XD

*whacks whoever decided to give random French words as names to Shizo and Akane* I hear Akane Twilight... :twitch: At least it's not Eight Shiho...

And it's definitely Rosalie Claudelle and not Rosalia Croade (unless the name is written that way on the official site). I get the feeling Florence is heavily French-scented, and not just because the old guy says "Madmoiselle" ("Miss").
A question arizes when you consider Shiho HUIT is from CARLTEYA, their rival country...

Arika's VA is pretty good at making "bummed" voices... to hear a shock, listen to her in episode 1 (especially the train scene), then listen to this episode... Almost as big a difference as Otome and HiME Mashiro...
...almost. Not quite. :eyespin:

ERG! The next scene makes me realize something.
After Akane leaves, the Trias will be Chie, Shiho and Nao.
And there will be 29 Pearls, so maybe Nina, Coral #1, will graduate to a Pearl (thus finally repairing the oddity that Arika causes simply by being there).
That would mean Shiho would have to work closely with Nao all the time, and would be Nina's classmate! :heh:
I almost pity her.
:uhoh:
Almost. Not quite. Again.

ACK! A blue rose! Chie is the Phantom! Careful, she'll steal away any dark-haired girls... Run, Nina! RUN! [/random Blood+ joke]

And Arika picks up Nina's watch... and we see Sergei "Loli-magnet" Wang--er, Wàng, and the effect he has on very young teens schoolgirls...
Wipe that blush away, young lady, he's too old for you! You have alternatives anyway---Mashiro, your future girlfriend is being unfaithful!
And Nina makes her entrance: +5 whole points for the first words she asks: "Are you all right now". Again, watch episode 1's Nina, then this scene for a major Shock.

Nina: "Did you see?"
Arika: "It's just a picture of Sergei..."
Nina: "...yes. That's it." (Whew. She didn't see it has a mini-screen playing that time my mini-spy camera caught him in the shower...)

And Arika goes Pshhh!

More plus points for Nina, for carrying Arika all the way to the infirmary; I'd have loved to see everyone's reaction to seeing the inflappable Coral #1 being so worried about the #51 who almost got her kicked out of the school in the first few episodes...
Hehe. If Otome was up to me, there would be rumors circulating around the school about those two... :D

And Arika spills her guts to Yohko-sensei (almost pointed the "h" out as a mistake, but it's written tha way on the official site... and she has a French family name, too!), who proceeds to make her even more worried and confused; congrats, now that's proper behavior for a doctor :heh:
And Yohko sure loves to poke Arika... *remembers episode 2*
Erm... no pun intended.
I'm sure.
I think. :uhoh:

That library book... now that is a lot of information! In fact, reading that book, you learn everyting about the legend! How nice! [/sarcasm]

At least we know what Mai's special weapon probably is; it's that scarf, made out of fire! Hence, Fire String Otome. :heh:
Either that or it's an entirely different piece of clothing that's made of fire, in which case it must be mighty uncomfortable... :twitch: :heh:

The man she fell in love with is so obviously Tate that it's painful to watch people think it might be Sergei. Let's take this as proof: Tate is not Sergei; despite having (barely) similar looks, they don't even share the same VA, their personalities are different, their names are different...
Meanwhile, we have here a mysterious man, whose hair is shaped exactly like Tate's, with whom Mai fell in love, just like in MH.
'xcuse me, that's Tate, 'nuff said.

Then again, with those clothes, it could be Ichigo in Bankai...

Hn... her master was decided on enrollment. Who wants to bet it was supposed to be Takumi? Just for another connection to MH: with a duty to protect and take care of her little brother, she falls in love and finds other things that get into her life and gain enough importance to push him aside...

And Enter Tomoe, who has absolutely no qualms about telling her classmates not to love guys, and that they should love girls instead. :heh:
They're pushed toward their Onee-sama's... so Guarderobe is pretty much a Lesbianism school, hn?
Now where are Yumi and Sachiko... even better, where's Sei!? [/random Marimite comment]

Surprisingly nothing to say about that Shizuru/Natsuki scene... yet.

Nao and Akane... that scene is simply so Nao. Doesn't care about becoming an Otome or having more power, all she wants is to have it easy. And she's a pretty good councelor, at least... she tries to be :heh:
*whacks Doremi* TRI-AS! ARGH!
Oh, whatever.
Nooo~ don't rip the picture, Akane! For once in a HiME series you can end up with Kazuya without through hell first--YES! Good Arinko. Good girl.

Nagi and Smith. Now this is the scene I like the most in the entire episode. While it was hinted before that Nagi is familiar with Shwartz, this scene shows us he isn't just a random leader called up by Smith to discuss whatever, but he actually asked them to do something. And Shwartz, unlike Aswald, are not a mercenary group, but a cult. Just why would Nagi be so familiar with them then?
*waves his Connection Theory around* :D

Oh wait, that got deleted... :(
:bash: hacker :bash:

"Having you find the real princess"--does that mean Shwartz found her? :twitch:

And Ok, never mind, Nagi's a bad guy in this. What's his goal, though? *waves theory*

The Akane/Kazuya scene after that is almost painful to watch; Akane is obviously about (or trying to) break up with him, while breaking the news. In a way, it's a good thing that Slave attacks when it does...
But I'm jumping ahead.

Shizuru and Tomoe... Tomoe is officially shown to be in love with (or at least crushing heavily on) Shizuru (not that there was any doubt at this point), tries to work up the courage to tell Shizuru--and fails. A second later, Arika pops up, easily gets Shizuru to walk alongside her, calls her "Shizuru-san" instead of the much more distant and polite "Shizuru-oneesama" Tomoe uses, and start doing small talk with her...
Of course Tomoe gets jealous.

I'll pause here to point out the irony of this situation: In Mai HiME, Shizuru was the Obessed Psycho Lesbian(tm), chasing Natsuki silently until the big revelation, at which point she goes on a rampage and scores more kills than any of the other HiMEs excluding Mikoto. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but Shizuru gets both Yukino and Nao (and herself, through Natsuki greensparkling herself), and only Mikoto gets as many kills (Midori, Shizo))

Unpause, thank you.

And another yet-unheard musical piece in the next scene... I want the second OST damnit! :heh: It's the second OST I want this year (so far), along with Jigoku Shoujo's...

Shizuru sure loves to kiss little girls... tsk tsk tsk... You've got Natsuki already, you two-timing fghlidh. (to quote... er... forgot which one, but it was one of the Shiznat fangirls in this forum...)

Enter synchonicity, with Akane and Kazuya being at the same station as Shizuru and Arika... and a Slave being tested. :rolleyes:
I personally hate unexplainable 'coincidences' like that when I write, that doesn't mean I like them more when they're in someone else's story. :heh:

Enter the Slave, and the Materialise! song! Have I mentionned how much I love that song? :D
And Akane's "Materialise"... is it just me, or is she even harder to understand than every other Materialising Otome we've heard before?
Still, she looks cool in that white Robe. I guess White (purity) and Pinkish-Violet (...er... not sure what's the symbolism for that color...) fit her. :heh:

Slaves are pretty strong; the fact that it can knock around a Pearl like that shows that. Still, if Shizuru had been it, it would have been sliced and diced before it could have said "raaghlblhh".

AH! That soft guitar musical piece is overpowering the scene! Finally I recognize a Kajiura Yuki work! :Heh:
And CRASH! goes the Slave's arm... and the Shwartz dude's...

So the stone "consumes" the used... I'm not surprised, listen to the pledge they do before activating the stone, that's a blood contract to some evil entity...
Anyone taking bets that it's the obsidian lord (obviously not Reito this time, though...)?

And BANG! The guy is shot, and the pic that sent us all posting away like headless chickens (...headless chickens with hands and the ability to type, that is) is revealed!
I was kinda hoping it was Akane, but oh well. And, indeed, it was a gunshot. :D Didn't expect it to come from behind, though :heh:

And in the aftermath they share a sad look, and Akane flies off into the red skies... well, ok. It's not red, but I had to say that :p
Heh, new Meisters being chosen sure are big events, look at the crowd!

And Aoi is there (what's her official job again? Mashiro sending her [I]maid to something like that can't be respectful...), so is Major Wang (Quick! Hide the Corals!) and, obviously, the rest of the Otomes... including the ever-tactful Nao. :rolleyes:

And ah? The ribbon-bearing railing from MH is back! :heh:
And is it just me or I start a lot of the lines in my Reviews with "ang"? :-/

I'm about certain the Lord in question is named "Charles"... his family name, though... Grunelle? Ruelle? (Yeesh, I hope not!)

Charles: "From now on, I'll take care of you tenderly, Akane... fufufu..." *eyeglint*
Akane: "KYAAAH!! I don't want to!!"

And Kazuyus Interruptus attacks, in a very... clichéd way. Honestly, it's not a Royal wedding ceremony with the forced princess being rescued by the knight in shiny armor, but the similarity is uncanny :heh:

And another new song is played... how many does that make again?
Loving Sergei's "oh" there. :D
Kazuya: "I still really like you! I love you! For you, I'm even willing to renounce my family and my country! That's why... That's why..."
Akane: "...Kazu-kun..."
Kazuya: "So, Charles-kun!"
Charles: "...Kazu-chan! Oh, honey, that doesn't mean I'll leave you! I'm just getting a new Otome!"
*Disk scratching*
Chie: "Wow, how bold!"
Akake: "...eeeeeeeh!?"

Sorry for the mental picture, folks :heh:

And Sergei wins one of the points he lost (because of Arika, mostly) by putting his foot down when he needed to. :heh:

And so ends the story of the Mai-series' Romeo and Juliet... maybe. XD
I don't see how they can give Akane another role after this, sadly; having forsaken becoming an Otome, the next step for those two is... er... negating the Nanomachines in the natural way :heh:
Well, maybe she'll make Kazuya her master; we know from Mashiro and Arika that there's no big ceremony needed, and she already has the earrings and the ring on her...

Mouuu, blushing Nina, cute!
Ack! Here comes Sergei "the predator" Wàng, inspecting his young Harem and strengthening his perverse hold on them... :p
And Arika finally wisens up and decides she has a crush on Sergei... be right back while I puke and say "SAY IT ISN'T SO!" in French, loudly enough for the neighbors to complain. Back, thank you for waiting.

The background after Sergei leaves makes me laugh; in Lilie's arms, Irina is bawling, but in Erstin's, Yayoi is there! Yayoi, Erstin's the one who lost her Oneesama, not you! :heh:
Ah... Erstin looks up at Arika in that last scene... she was Arika staring as Sergei... interesting. Hehehe.

In the Anime, we see Natsuki in her bathrobe. In the Forums, we see a bunch of fangirls (and boys, but I guess mostly girls O_o) giving wolf whistles and telling her to remove it.

And that last scene is ominous. So that's what two Otomes duking it out look like, hn? Explosive.

My glasses were damaged in the writing of this thing, (scratching your nose is apparently a very dangerous activity :rolleyes:) so any typos after the fight scene are to be forgotten, thank you XD

The audio side is [I]lol. :eyespin: I was really surprised they got Erstin to be the one on the attack... and I was halfway expecting her to go for Nina instead :heh:
The video side, now that's interesting. First we see the two otomes fighting (most likely the very same ones who made the big kabloomy in this episode), we see Mashiro (YAY!), Lilie being used by Irina as a painting chisel (what do you mean, it's makeup? That is not makeup, even Kefka would agree!), teary-eyed Miya, Tomoe and Nina in very much the same situation and looking quite distraught, Shizuru standing in front of a bunch of floating rocks worthy of ending up in a fantasy Anime, Tomoe showing her feminine wiles on our poor favorite Odeko-chan, Erstin in a dramatic light, Natsuki blushing (always a good thing :D) and Erstin giving a sneak hug to Nina (in time with Irina giving a hylarious "Ahh!" in the audio :heh:)

The makeup is most likely a lesson, that's the only thing that would explain Tomoe giving Nina makeup. And Miya being jealous, well... it seems like Lesbian jealousy is a common theme in Mai Otome XD.
The thing that puzzles me, though, is the Shizuru part. What the hey? Did she get dimension-shifted to the Slayers world or something?

Finally, we can now start drawing a map of the Mai-Otome world; with Windbloom and Guarderobe in the center, we know Altai is up north. Since the ship is going north towrads Altai and the explosion on the borders between the two Lutecias is on its left, we can assume they are on Windbloom's west border. Zipang is most likely at the east... at a fair distance, most likely, and Ealis... no idea :heh:

Any insights?

Ok, I said I'd explain why I think Arika and Nina being friends will turn out horribly, and I will:

First, there's Sergei. In a move I really dissaprove of, Sunrise has made Arika fall in love with Sergei, the same man Nina is in love with. This, we can guess, will not turn out well when Nina figures out her secret.
Then, most unsettling, though, is the fact that Nina all-but-belongs to Nagi already, and Arika is Mashiro's; Altai and Windbloom, and Nagi is connected with Shwartz, at some level, the same group who attacked Windbloom and killed Mashiro's parents and Arika's mother (I'm assuming she's dead, and that at the time, Aswald was a part of Shwartz, please don't derail the thread to correct me). If Nina becomes Nagi's, it will end badly, you can be sure of that.
And before you say it, Nao would refuse; becoming tied to a Master for the rest of her life is against her plan.

The Mai-series, so far, seems to thrive on forcing friends to fight each other; the Otomes all come from the same school, they all know each other very well, and they are used as soldiers to kill one another, just like the HiMEs were forced by circumstances to fight and kill each other's most important person.
What better way to continue this than having Arika and Nina becoming friends, and forcing them to pwn the hell out of each other?
Not sure if I'm looking forward to that... :-/
And things will go dark; we've seen hints of that before, but the biggest hint, in my opinion, is the planned OP/ED change. The fact that they judge that at some point, the Op/Ed we have now will be unfitting enough to force a (n extremely rare for a 26 episodes Anime) change is telling.

And that's all for me right now. I'm going back to Civilization 4, which is, by far, the most evil and addictive game I've ever played. :twitch:
Worth the "Oh my god, is it really four in the morning already!?", though. :heh:

ArchDragon

2006-01-08, 22:25

The man she fell in love with is so obviously Tate that it's painful to watch people think it might be Sergei. Let's take this as proof: Tate is not Sergei; despite having (barely) similar looks, they don't even share the same VA, their personalities are different, their names are different...
Meanwhile, we have here a mysterious man, whose hair is shaped exactly like Tate's, with whom Mai fell in love, just like in MH.
'xcuse me, that's Tate, 'nuff said.

You might want to take a look at the scenes when Nina was looking at Sergay's pics.
In one of those pics, he was shown holding a fish sporting Yuuichi's hairstyle.
Also pay attention to little Sergay, especially on the flashback he had of sneaking around the Windbloom castle.
He had Yuuichi's hairstyle and clothing that resembles the man in Mai's legend.

Sergay Wang is really nothing but a matured, renamed, Tate Yuuichi.
Recall that Reito also has a change in name.

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-01-08, 22:43

You might want to take a look at the scenes when Nina was looking at Sergay's pics.
In one of those pics, he was shown holding a fish sporting Yuuichi's hairstyle.
Also pay attention to little Sergay, especially on the flashback he had of sneaking around the Windbloom castle.
He had Yuuichi's hairstyle and clothing that resembles the man in Mai's legend.

Sergay Wang is really nothing but a matured, renamed, Tate Yuuichi.
Recall that Reito also has a change in name.

And the coat is similar as well.:heh:

I should have had them taken care of by you too.

-Nagi, after commenting about the women his brothers married.

We'll see soon enough though.

But seriously...what a casanova.

lone_wolf

2006-01-08, 22:43

You might want to take a look at the scenes when Nina was looking at Sergay's pics.
In one of those pics, he was shown holding a fish sporting Yuuichi's hairstyle.
Also pay attention to little Sergay, especially on the flashback he had of sneaking around the Windbloom castle.
He had Yuuichi's hairstyle and clothing that resembles the man in Mai's legend.

Sergay Wang is really nothing but a matured, renamed, Tate Yuuichi.
Recall that Reito also has a change in name.

Nina knew Mai's story/legend pretty well. Wouldn't one think that she would harbor jealousy over that??

Also regarding the images in his photo collection...don't you think Nina would have encountered her image at any time?

As for Reito vs Rado....at least they start with the same letter.
:p

--Lone Wolf

Cyz

2006-01-08, 22:53

So...does this mean Akane won't show up anymore? Well, judging from the ending of this episode, it seems that she won't show up again...or is it?

ArchDragon

2006-01-08, 22:57

Nina knew Mai's story/legend pretty well. Wouldn't one think that she would harbor jealousy over that??

Also regarding the images in his photo collection...don't you think Nina would have encountered her image at any time?

As for Reito vs Rado....at least they start with the same letter.
:p

--Lone Wolf

Don't get me wrong, I won't put my money down that it's Sergay for sure, I'm just saying that it's possible.

Nina's knowledge is just head knowledge, like WWII for most of us here.
We know the gist of it, but we didn't realize how much impact it might have on our lives.

As for Sergay's photo album, depending on the circumstances of Mai's disappearance, he might have hidden her photos elsewhere.
Afterall, if I caused a famous princess from a powerful empire to disappear, I wouldn't want people to know about it.
Note that there's an "age gap" in his photo album, there's no picture of his teenage days at all.

Catgirls

2006-01-08, 23:03

So...does this mean Akane won't show up anymore? Well, judging from the ending of this episode, it seems that she won't show up again...or is it?I wouldn't write her out just yet. http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/sarge/Wink_anim.gif

Xellos-_^

2006-01-08, 23:08

And the coat is similar as well.:heh:

I should have had them taken care of by you too.

-Nagi, after commenting about the women his brothers married.

We'll see soon enough though.

But seriously...what a casanova.

The guys player alrite.not even hugh hufner can beat him

He got a older preg when he was in his early teens and father two childre.
Had a fling with a Princess-Otomes and cause her run away.
His daughters now also has a thing for him.

I think Natuski needs to ban him form coming within a one hundred feet of any Otome or Otome in training :D

lone_wolf

2006-01-08, 23:15

I wouldn't write her out just yet. http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/sarge/Wink_anim.gif

True, with 13 episode still left, plenty can happen....it seems safe to assume she'll make another appearance. They do come from different countries that apparently oppose one another so she might not be out any kind of dilemma just yet.
:heh:

--Lone Wolf

Ronin Aquila

2006-01-08, 23:24

So...does this mean Akane won't show up anymore? Well, judging from the ending of this episode, it seems that she won't show up again...or is it?

She could very well pull a Yukariko, and turn up in the final episode, hand in hand with Kazu-kun and with child. ;)

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-01-08, 23:50

The guys player alrite.not even hugh hufner can beat him

He got a older preg when he was in his early teens and father two childre.
Had a fling with a Princess-Otomes and cause her run away.
His daughters now also has a thing for him.

I think Natuski needs to ban him form coming within a one hundred feet of any Otome or Otome in training :D

I dunno with his track record Natsuki might end up falling for him, followed by Shizuru too:heh:

shikamarufoo

2006-01-08, 23:51

So...does this mean Akane won't show up anymore? Well, judging from the ending of this episode, it seems that she won't show up again...or is it?
I hope she shows up once again to become part of the main plot before episode 20. Also the way they talked about Mai in this episode, it seems as though she can still be alive...I hope we can see her again!

Akuma-sama

2006-01-09, 00:50

I dunno with his track record Natsuki might end up falling for him, followed by Shizuru too:heh:
A man making Shizuru straight!? He'd deserve a medal! :twitch:

Or a kick in the arse, whichever is easiest to give... :D

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-01-09, 02:01

A man making Shizuru straight!? He'd deserve a medal! :twitch: :D

The man's power and influence extends beyond even past through the netherlands and has no known limits. :bow:

Though now that I think again, it's not that bad with Sergay being Mai's lover. I mean, they can't have a 15 year old girl hitching on with a 25 year old man. I don't think that's allowed. ANd Arika just has some weird crush.

paTKany

2006-01-09, 02:21

And it's definitely Rosalie Claudelle and not Rosalia Croade (unless the name is written that way on the official site).
I'm about certain the Lord in question is named "Charles"... his family name, though... Grunelle? Ruelle? (Yeesh, I hope not!)

ロザリー・クローデル
Rosalie Claudel (or Claudelle)

シャルル・ギュネール・ロイ・デ・フロリンス8世
Charles Guinel (or Guinelle) VIII Roi de Florince

piccolo

2006-01-09, 04:48

http://forums.animesuki.com/images/icons/icon4.gif I predict trouble. http://forums.animesuki.com/images/icons/icon4.gif

First with Guarderobe and then with Arika and some of the other otome-to-be.

Why?

First, there are not enough otomes. http://forums.animesuki.com/images/icons/icon13.gif

That Pearl #1 was chosen to become a Meister infers that there are no other otomes to choose from. That leaves only 5 pillars from which they can draw their resources on. Three of them are where? And one of them - Natsuki - is only going to get involved if she has no other choice. She is, after all, in charge of the school.

With a war brewing, the demand for otomes is most likely to rise. And even though, according to the students, no pearl has ever become a Meister before graduating, this incidence is most likely going to reoccur.

In addition, the new breed of crystals creating slaves with more ease will create further strain upon the otomes/school. Soon they will be forced to use the students. Shizuru will not always be around.

With students (e.g. Tomoe) unstable in their dedications and emotions, I can only second Tokiha's fears for the Otome (ep12):

Tokiha: "The Otome are as powerful as the rumours say.
Natsuki: "Thank you for the compliment."
Tokiha: "But I have some concerns."
Natsuki: "Concernts about?"
Tokiha: "Even though they maintain peace, I am hesitant to leave the tremendous technology of yesterday and the fate of countries all in the hands of teenage girls."

Second, Arika. It may just be that she is in love and never realized it, but I am going to go out on a limb and suggest that the 'heavy heart' she complained about at the beginning of ep 13, and her loss of appetite, have nothing to do with "love." Though I think that SUNRISE will not take this avenue, it'd be nice if they'd string you all along - for they were successful - and make you believe that her physical symptoms are that due to being in love.

Why? Because Arika herself does, and because no one else may realize that her nanomachines are actually reacting to something (or the lack of something, i.e. the blue saphires).

Either way, Arika is in trouble. If it is love she's experiencing, she now has to deal with new emotions, making her life more complicated, esp. w.r.t. Nina. In addition, Tomoe will certainly increase her bullying. And I have the suspicion that the Black Valley or Schwartz will come after Arika, being that she and Mashiro were the ones who activated the organ the first time. And that the clue of the threesome is now known to Schwartz makes it even more troublesome. Time is running out for Arika. Soon people will find out she made a contract with Mashiro. And if the nanomachines truly give her trouble...

And, oh, for all of you Akane fans, don't worry. Junko Iwao is listed as voicing Akane for the entire show, and not just half. So, relax. She'll appear again http://forums.animesuki.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Matrim

2006-01-09, 05:26

A man making Shizuru straight!? He'd deserve a medal!

I think his corpse would get the medal since Tomoe is bound to kill him when she finds out. :heh:

Tempest35

2006-01-09, 05:30

I dunno with his track record Natsuki might end up falling for him, followed by Shizuru too:heh:

Well he IS sporting MH's Takeda's hairstyle and Natsuki was always in a huff around him...^^

Shigan

2006-01-09, 06:23

I think his corpse would get the medal since Tomoe is bound to kill him when she finds out.

*whips out katana, iaijutsu style*

-She- won't be the first, trust me.

Anime Adoru

2006-01-09, 06:42

Vallen Chaos Valiant

2006-01-09, 06:42

*whips out katana, iaijutsu style*

-She- won't be the first, trust me.
Come on... Shizuru can love whoever she wants. Granted, other than Natsuki any other choice would be out of character for her, but why blame the guy for it?

Would you have the same response if Shizuru ended up with Tomoe?

Shigan

2006-01-09, 07:23

Come on... Shizuru can love whoever she wants. Granted, other than Natsuki any other choice would be out of character for her, but why blame the guy for it?

Would you have the same response if Shizuru ended up with Tomoe?
Of course she can love whoever she wants, as long as it is another woman XD. Anyone threatening Shizuru's gayness must be exterminated.

Shizuru/Tomoe would have been cute if there werent the age factor to consider. Come on, a 25 years old woman with a 15 years old is just as bad as Sergey/Arika >_<

Vallen Chaos Valiant

2006-01-09, 07:32

Nightengale

2006-01-09, 08:15

And isn't the social stigma against age difference a recent one?

Since when had age difference of merely 10 to 20 years been a social stigma?

Of course, this doesn't involve kids and younger. That would be sick.

Kieli

2006-01-09, 08:38

I guess then it has to be brought to question, that if love can break down traditional gender barriers, why should traditional age barriers stop it?

Isn't "age difference" just another tradition?

Are we going into moral issues now?;)

15 year old children, male or female, get married and have kids all the time back in the day...

And isn't the social stigma against age difference a recent one?
Moral issues are always the case when dealing with possible statutory rape (in this country, that's what it's called when a older person has a romantic or sexual relationship with a minor). Granted, there are really good reasons for this law and for outlawing consanguinity (intermarriage within a family do a certain degree of relation, sometimes determined by societal rules other times determined by religious rules such as Catholic canon law). Marriage between an older man and a younger woman (or teen/pre-teen) often had nothing to do with romance (love, what have you) but had everything to do with familial and aristocratic politics. QUITE a different thing as in here. 15 yr old children got married and had kids "back in the day" because they often had no say in the matter. Omiai or arranged marriages happened (and still do in many cultures) thus giving the children no choice but to obey their parents, face expulsion from the family or even death. Not very good options.

You make it sound more like they had a choice than they really did. It happened due to extenuating circumstances and not often for love as you would have us think.

Having a crush is one thing....have a full fledged romantic/sexual relationship with a minor? Not so much. There was a teacher here who just recently got out of jail for having a romantic fling with one of her high school students almost 20 yrs her junior. Granted NOW he's of age and she can legally marry him but he was barely 13 or so when it first all happened. One has to wonder what the hell she was thinking.

I can understand you playing Devil's Advocate for whatever reason. But there has to be a line to be drawn. An sexual preference among consenting adults is one thing. Among minors? There must be some rules made because kids often don't have the maturity to know the difference and there are too many predators around to take advantage of them. Kids need protection too and sometimes they don't often know when they need it.

Anyone threatening Shizuru's gayness must be exterminated.
LMAO! Well I'm not sure I'd go that far, even with my strong loyalty to kaichou-sama. ;)

coefficientX

2006-01-09, 09:08

Of course she can love whoever she wants, as long as it is another woman XD. Anyone threatening Shizuru's gayness must be exterminated.
Oh no don't terminate me!!! :twitch:

To me, if Shizuru is to fall for a guy, that guy must be handsome and charming and owes a massively large harem too but loves Shizuru only. :p
But for the choice of woman, Natsuki wins hands down!!! :heh: It cannot be any woman!

Nightengale

2006-01-09, 09:31

To me, if Shizuru is to fall for a guy, that guy must be handsome and charming and owes a massively large harem too but loves Shizuru only. :p

He needs to have a matching name as well. :hmm:

Maybe...... Marluxia Violin.... or Stefan Cello.... or Kira Contrabass.

We're :topicoff: though.

Shigan

2006-01-09, 09:50

To me, if Shizuru is to fall for a guy, that guy must be handsome and charming and owes a massively large harem too but loves Shizuru only.
Or be the gayest man ever. :D

Now then... *polishes katana, advances on coefficientX* :p

coefficientX

2006-01-09, 11:54

Or be the gayest man ever. :D

Now then... *polishes katana, advances on coefficientX* :p
*screeeeeeeeeeams* "be gentle on me pls!!!!!* :heh: :p :heh:

Hehe... gayest man!?!? no way! That will be gross (oops no offence to gay men). :cool:
I love MH Shizuru ever since i first saw her in ep2. Actually reito is a good match. Charming & owes a huge harem. But well, Natsuki is secksy too!! imo the 2nd prettiest girl after Shizuru. So both of them really make the best match! :p

Anyway, we are really :topicoff: . Sorry guys and gals! :p

*continue dancing in Shiznat fantasies...*

Akuma-sama

2006-01-09, 12:33

He needs to have a matching name as well. :hmm:

Maybe...... Marluxia Violin.... or Stefan Cello.... or Kira Contrabass.

How about Pierre-Ives Martin-Pelletier? :D
(cookies to anyone who gets it ;))

:topicoff: sorry...

Anime Adoru

2006-01-09, 13:07

Another episode 13 review with plenty of pictures---please let me know what you think, in particular if you feel I went overboard here or there. Thanks!

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It must be spring in Windbloom, and the hormones of the students of Garderobe are in full swing. Expect a lot of rosy cheeks ahead. It all starts with Arika who is unusually down-beat to the extent that she doesn't even enjoy eating. Her friends are confused but don't know how to help her.

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The rest of the review in spoiler tags...

On the way home from lunch, Nina spots Akane and Kazu-kun, Akane's boyfriend.

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Akane and Kazu have been in love for a while, and it has been developing well. They have now reached an intermediate high-point, and Kazu decides to make a move on Akane that goes beyond kissing. Torn between her love for Kazu and her desire to become a Meister Otome, Akane pushes Kazu back, to their both embarrassement.

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Back at the school, Akane is being called into Natsuki's office. She learns that the otome of Florence, her home country, is retiring, and that she has been picked to replace her. For this, Florence has asked Garderobe to speed up Akane's graduation and make her a Meister Otome soon. Given Akane's position as Coral No 1 and her past performance, Natsuki has agreed to let her graduate early and make her the Meister Otome of the Malachite of Refinement. Close to achieving her dream, Akane remains torn between the dream and her love for Kazu-kun.

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Arika keeps having a hard time. Back in her room, she decides to take a look at Nina's pendant. Seeing Sergey gives her flashbacks of her interactions with him and she realizes something about herself. When Nina comes in to check up on her, Arika faints, confused about what she is thinking. (But we don't know what that is.)

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Arika wakes up at the school nurse's station. Apparently, Youko, next to being Chief Technology Officer of Garderobe, is also the school nurse. Neither Arika nor Youko really know what's going on with Arika. After listening for a while, Youko suspects that it is not the nanomachines but rather adolescent feelings that confuse Arika, and she recommends that Arika take a look at the story of the Meister Otome of the Fire String Ruby.

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In the library, Arika and her friends dig out the story of the Meister Otome of the Fire String Ruby, who looks a lot like Mai from Mai Hime. Apparently, the otome was torn between love and her dream. When she let go of her love, she experienced a serious depression, and went into a forest for consultation. As the story goes, she never returned from the forest but kept wandering in the dark.

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Akane is making dangerous progress on the path to being torn apart between love and dream. She consults with Nao and Arika separately, only to end up crying over her situation.

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Meanwhile, in the kingdom of Artai, Nagi is listening to news from John Smith, the public face of Schwarz. Smith instructs Nagi about the Harmonium, and that they have been able to create a new kind of slave. He promises that Nagi will soon see the power of the new slaves.

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John Smith's visit to Artai has not gone unnoticed, and Shizuru is sent to investigate. Before Shizuru can leave, Tomoe catches her, trying to confess her love. Shizuru, who probably is only too aware of what is going to come, interrupts her, telling her to move on. A desperate Tomoe is watching how Arika comes by and is treated much more friendly by Shizuru than herself. Tomoe's face is showing desperation and bitterness over her unfulfilled love and apparent rejection by Shizuru.

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Akane and Kazu meet based on a request by Akane. Kazu is happy to see her, but she has only called for him to tell him that she will follow the path of a Meister Otome. Under tears, she tells him that there is no place for him in her life.

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Akane runs away from Kazu but he follows her. They run into Arika and Shizuru, but before any words can be exchanged, a slave appears. Akane asks Shizuru to be allowed to fight the slave so that Kazu better understands what being a Meister Otome is about.

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Akane fights the slave while Shizuru is looking for the Schwarz person who is holding the crystal that activated the slave. When Akane rips of one of the slave's arms, Shizuru spots the person. Shizuru recognizes that this slave is different from the ones that came before and starts questioning the Schwarz person.

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Before Shizuru can get anywhere with her interrogation, the Schwarz person is killed by a sniper, giving Shizuru a bad hair day. The slave dissolves. Also, the sniper apparently recorded the fight between Akane and the slave.

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The big day has come for Akane. The school has already graduated her and appointed her the Meister Otome of the Malachite of Refinement. All that's left for her is to make a contract with her new master, the king of Florence. In a ceremony, not unlike a wedding ceremony, she walks up to him, kneels down, and is about to seal the contract by putting the gem's ring on his finger.

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At that moment, Kazu blasts open the door, doning a full ceremonial outfit. He begs Akane to come with him offering to renounce his royal heritage and obligations to Carlteya, his country. The girls go "oohhh!!" After a moment of shock, Akane decides on the spot to dump her king and flies into Kazu's arms. The girls go "aahhh!!" and the rosy cheek meter is off the scale. Akane and Kazu elope, while Natsuki is showing the best "what's up with this world" face ever.

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The interrupted ceremony has left Arika more confused than ever. While Nina maintains her resolve to become a Meister Otome, Arika doesn't know what to think. Talking to Sergey, she is trying to make a connection between her raging hormones and what others have told her that love is. She comes to some wild conclusions, but we don't really know what they are. Most likely she thinks she is in love with Sergey.

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At the end of an eventful day, Natsuki gets a call from Youko. Youko just received a distress call from Shizuru, who is reporting that the two countries of Romulus and Remus are having their otomes fight each other. A large release of energy lights up the sky.

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Some final remarks: This is a good episode, but hardly my favorite one. I'm not big on school craziness; I'm just glad I've left that behind me. Still, Sunrise managed to do some character development and move the story forward. We can expect some bad things from Tomoe, for sure. I particularly liked Chie's humorous and unpretentious commentary on Akane's development.

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-01-09, 13:19

Wow I sure started a fire on Shizuru :heh:

Eitherway, having her go straight would kinda destroy her character because that's who she was made out to be...though are we sure she's gay? Maybe she likes to "beat around the bush" :eyebrow:

Having a crush is one thing....have a full fledged romantic/sexual relationship with a minor?

True, this is why I do not believe Arika nor Nina would have a full fledged romantic/sexual relationship with Sergay. He even noted it when he and Arika were in that cave naked. They would never go that far, at least I don't think the japanese would.

So having Mai in the picture isn't that big of a deal.

You know when you think about it, Akane was replacing an Otome because she was retiring and getting married, Akane could've just waited a bit for Kazu when they reach their 30's and then follow suite. Kids these days are just so impatient. You could see when Kazu was kissing Akane, he SO wanted to move right onto the next step and how old are they?

Tomoe catches her, trying to confess her love. Shizuru, who probably is only too aware of what is going to come, interrupts her, telling her to move on. A desperate Tomoe is watching how Arika comes by and is treated much more friendly by Shizuru than herself. Tomoe's face is showing desperation and bitterness over her unfulfilled love and apparent rejection by Shizuru.

I don't understand this part, it's not like Shizuru was leaving for good :eyebrow:

imperialmog

2006-01-09, 13:21

Things can be even worse though. What if Nagi was only teasing Mashiro to get to his true love Mikoto.

Now wasn't people would of gotten married earlier as well due to shorter life expectancy, higher infant mortality, and higher chance of women dying during childbirth?

Actually what Shizuru needs more is not a lover, *she already has one* but some close friends who can treat her as a person.

I don't think Arika would be falling for Sergay *yet at least*, but she's someone who is just trying to understand emotions like love and other issues. I just hope in some ways she ends up with Erstin since Erstin is someone who deserves someone who is real caring towards her and not a jerk.

Catgirls

2006-01-09, 14:11

Anyway, we are really :topicoff: . Sorry guys and gals! :p Ah yes...once again...and no surprise, Shizuru's sexuality is the root. Well, at least we aren't talking about Jimmy Carter.

Anime Adoru

2006-01-09, 15:31

Tomoe catches her, trying to confess her love. Shizuru, who probably is only too aware of what is going to come, interrupts her, telling her to move on. A desperate Tomoe is watching how Arika comes by and is treated much more friendly by Shizuru than herself. Tomoe's face is showing desperation and bitterness over her unfulfilled love and apparent rejection by Shizuru.
I don't understand this part, it's not like Shizuru was leaving for good :eyebrow:

True, Tomoe might have more chances to confess her love. I didn't intend to say Shizuru was leaving for good. So are you saying Tomoe hasn't given up on Shizuru after this incidence? I'd say she'll be after Arika as a compensation for Shizuru's coldness towards her.

Argon

2006-01-09, 16:31

Xellos-_^

2006-01-09, 16:42

Concerning Arika's sudden crush on Sergey, something has got me thinking. What if Arika actually sees Sergey as more of a father figure but, being who she is, confuses these feelings for love. Considering that Arika is technically an orphan it wouldn't be weird for her to want a parrent, especially when she apparently never had a 'father figure' before.

What would make it even more confusing for her is the way Nina acts towards Sergey, it is quite likely that Arika would have no idea how to act towards a 'dad' and thus mimics Nina's behaviour towards him.

Intresting idea. I don't think anyone else suggest it before :) However it wold make more sense if she did find out sergy was her benefactor.

I am still hoping that her symptoms are a result of her nano-machines under going some changes. They still haven't really explain her golder hair when Miyu was looking at her :eyebrow: And it would be just like Sunrise to throw something like thi sout there as a red herring. :eyebrow: Everyone would be lining up to kill sergy when they hit us over the head with whats really going on :rolleyes:

Tempest35

2006-01-09, 16:50

I have faith that it will end up as a 'fatherly' love at the end but hey, this is SUNRISE - they'll make us sweat it out as usual. As for Arika not knowing the difference, I think she DOES knows that Nina's love is a bit 'different' for Sergay but other than that - she probably never thought that you could 'like' like your father like Nina does - which would confuse her straight away.

On another topic - I wonder how many Pearls drop out like Akane did per year?

Diodati

2006-01-09, 17:07

I don't understand this part, it's not like Shizuru was leaving for good
Hopefully..

Tomoe is very responsive on when Shizuru comes and goes – the coral was specifically chosen by Sunrise to look particularly joyful when Shizuru had returned at the start of Otome (in ep 3..) so it's just cementing that.

I’m surprised (in a good way) Tomoe wanted to ‘reveal’ her love period but what could Shizuru possibly say that wouldn’t hurt her (besides ‘green is definitely my color, why not come with me on my trip’). She's far past the stage of 'absence makes the heart grow fonder'.

So are you saying Tomoe hasn't given up on Shizuru after this incidence? I'd say she'll be after Arika as a compensation for Shizuru's coldness towards her.
I feel sorry for the green haired meanie as the whole thing seemed more a rebuke than it was; Shizuru had obvious pathos for the girl and tried to put things into perspective. It's best if Shizuru isn't sweet to her (although a ‘bye’ might have been nice for Tomoe before you offered to walk with Arika-the-oneesama-stealer to work – you lost your tact there Shizuru)

But no, I don't think Tomoe will have called quits on Shizuru. And being that she totally idolises, and idealises Shizuru, she'll probably blame the whole thing on Arika anyway. Just because she can.

I'm interested to see how far Tomoe can go before the facade totally crumbles - thinking back when she sabotaged the equipment in 9 - does this mean Tomoe is pretty talented in nanomachine manipulation? There's a scary thought. Episode 14 is quite early for her to snap so maybe she goes really berserk near the end. It's becoming less difficult to spot the ‘different’ behaviour, Shizuru included. Watch Arika be the last to figure it out though.

I just rewatched Doremi's sub and gaaah, my symphaty-meter for Tomoe is going up. If her feelings are truly genuine, that's even worse since Shizuru obviously -is- gay but wont have her. Even so I' kinda glad, I don't know what had been worse, a guy Sergey's age cruising for 15 years olds or a woman Shizuru's age doing the same O_o.

*kicks Natsuki* CANT YOU BE JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSITIVE YOU....YOU!!! GAAAH!!!!
With all that Sunrise have/will give the Shizuru character, this episode did at least establish that her feelings for Natsuki are on a different 'level' to the silly nudges and gags elsewhere. What a sweet longing look up at the office *cries*

And Natsuki's such a brooder in Otome, arguably even more than she was in HiME. I feel like kicking her too - snap out of it girl – she’s doing the ‘waiting till the sh*t hits the fan’ technique and that’s not so productive. (*pleeease let the ep14 blush be ShizNat related)

This thing with Mai has bothered her immensely - I read some funny speculation that someone reckoned there was a love triangle involving Tate/Sergei, Mai and Natsuki. Brother, gag me with a canoe. IMO I reckon Natsuki put a lot of peer pressure on Mai to accept the Pillar position, which caused Mai to 'snap' and disappear. So in a sense Natsuki would be partly to blame although not intentionally.

It could explain why Natsuki and Sergei were a little 'off' with each other although I'm not convinced about this sudden Sergei pimping - 4 females is overkill.

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Speaking of Sergei, Arika is kinda like his perfect catch – a bit of Rena, a few Mai similarities (am I the only one who thinks so) and Nina’s age (so when he’s starting to show his old age, Arika may still have some sprightly youth left to waft Sergei’s passion) http://www.eyecravedvd.com/forums/images/smilies/bigthumbup.gif

Shizuru/Tomoe would have been cute if there werent the age factor to consider.
=P Oooooh, should we be glad there is an age gap then?

Hmm, thinking about it, I’d rather have Tomoe x Shizuru with an age gap and psychosis, than Sergei x Shizuru.

But yeah, it's possible they were close. In fact the image kind of conveys how close knit this group was.
Yeah it's kinda sad; and rarely does anime make mention to characters unless they serve a purpose, even if it's just cannon fodder. It's possible that most members on that photograph will show up and be at each others throats. It won't be as 'personal' seeing them kill each other than if we had followed them when they're young - but it will effectively highlight the point of close friends becoming 'enemies'.

Natsuki has II, and Shizuru has III (whoawhoa, I thought it would've been the other way around...?
It's funny that there is so much 'ranking' in terms of strength - there are already five pillars on one level and then we're putting them in order too? HiME was rooted more to 'emotion', so the strength really did fluctuate - but so far 'strength' in Otome is more 'regulated through an education system’. It increases it being about skill orientation, although I’m still sure that if a character goes ''uber'', then it will probably be down to a 'snap'.
That said, it’s all but certain that Natsuki will be ‘strong’, otherwise it would be sorta amusing.

I have faith that it will end up as a 'fatherly' love at the end but hey, this is SUNRISE - they'll make us sweat it out as usual. As for Arika not knowing the difference, I think she DOES knows that Nina's love is a bit 'different' for Sergay but other than that - she probably never thought that you could 'like' like your father like Nina does - which would confuse her straight away.
True, and pretty much everyone who Arika interacted with in this episode spun her round in circles in regards to love. ''She came to the conclusion'', but it was hardly set in stone. But then again, it provides the same angst found in the triangles/quads in HiME, so maybe...

SpeedRcrX

2006-01-09, 18:37

SoldierOfDarkness

2006-01-09, 18:42

True, Tomoe might have more chances to confess her love. I didn't intend to say Shizuru was leaving for good. So are you saying Tomoe hasn't given up on Shizuru after this incidence? I'd say she'll be after Arika as a compensation for Shizuru's coldness towards her.

No actually it's just the way she acted. For cripes sake she was acting like she'll never see Shizuru again. Or maybe that's what she thought Shizuru was doing.

Concerning Arika's sudden crush on Sergey, something has got me thinking. What if Arika actually sees Sergey as more of a father figure but, being who she is, confuses these feelings for love. Considering that Arika is technically an orphan it wouldn't be weird for her to want a parrent, especially when she apparently never had a 'father figure' before.

That's like Cardcaptors with Sakura having a crush on Yukito when he pointed out that it was similar to her father's.

But no, I don't think Tomoe will have called quits on Shizuru. And being that she totally idolises, and idealises Shizuru, she'll probably blame the whole thing on Arika anyway. Just because she can.

There's no reason why she wouldn't give up on Shizuru. It's not like Shizuru rejected her or anything of that matter.

Tempest35

2006-01-09, 20:05

[QUOTE=Diodati]
This thing with Mai has bothered her immensely - I read some funny speculation that someone reckoned there was a love triangle involving Tate/Sergei, Mai and Natsuki. Brother, gag me with a canoe. IMO I reckon Natsuki put a lot of peer pressure on Mai to accept the Pillar position, which caused Mai to 'snap' and disappear. So in a sense Natsuki would be partly to blame although not intentionally.

It could explain why Natsuki and Sergei were a little 'off' with each other although I'm not convinced about this sudden Sergei pimping - 4 females is overkill.]

Natsuki-chan had a secret crush on Mai-chan? ... :heh: bad thoughts...

I don't think Natsuki had that kind of love for Mai, but I DO think that Natsuki did push for Mai to keep on being Otome instead following for her love. I think that's why all Natsuki did at the ruined ceremony was just give her 'oh what the hell' look. :D v Would also explain Sergay 'putting his foot down' on the matter as well.

I can't wait until Mai and Natsuki finally meet again and talk things out - be it through a fight (which if it does happen, should be spectacular - c'mon SUNRISE, don't disappoint!)
...or over Shizuru's freshly brewed tea...^^;;;

Nightengale

2006-01-09, 20:37

Intresting idea. I don't think anyone else suggest it before :) However it wold make more sense if she did find out sergy was her benefactor.

I am still hoping that her symptoms are a result of her nano-machines under going some changes. They still haven't really explain her golder hair when Miyu was looking at her :eyebrow: And it would be just like Sunrise to throw something like thi sout there as a red herring. :eyebrow: Everyone would be lining up to kill sergy when they hit us over the head with whats really going on :rolleyes:

I recall posting that theory earlier, during the heartbeat thumph episode. Of course, I got flamed then by everyone claiming I was wrong and it was the Mashiro/Arika thing instead.

I personally believe that it's more of a weird longing feeling for a father figure she never had. She had a mother/grandmother figure in her ba-chan, probably a twisted mother figure in Shizuru, a sister figure in Nao, Miyu and her friends. She got it confused with love though, thanks to .....bad timing.

She just got the wrong idea from the wrong advice from the wrong person at a wrong time.

piccolo

2006-01-09, 22:55

I recall posting that theory earlier, during the heartbeat thumph episode. Of course, I got flamed then by everyone claiming I was wrong and it was the Mashiro/Arika thing instead.

I personally believe that it's more of a weird longing feeling for a father figure she never had. She had a mother/grandmother figure in her ba-chan, probably a twisted mother figure in Shizuru, a sister figure in Nao, Miyu and her friends. She got it confused with love though, thanks to .....bad timing.

She just got the wrong idea from the wrong advice from the wrong person at a wrong time.

I commend you for your reasoning.http://forums.animesuki.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

Actually, you're not the only one who hinted at that situation. I, too, have been thinking along that line as one of the possibilities and mentioned some other in other threads, incl. ep 11 thread (but where did it go?), and well as this one (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=439627&postcount=363).

Ready to take out the guns and criticize, one often forgets human nature. We are given no clues whatsoever as to what association Arika has had with the opposite sex. She had a grandpa, but other than having him mentioned once, no other comment was ever made about her having contact with men while she was raised by her grandma. And, I'm sorry, grandpa doesn't count. So, like you and a few others, I am not surprised that Arika is rather confused. I, too, think that she is reading too much into her emotions. Whatever her emotions towards Sergey may be, they will settle themselves to whatever form they may be. But I will bet for a brotherly/fatherly type love before the one that causes one to become mates and give up an otome's dream.

Let's not forget that her nanomachines are giving her trouble - immitating symptoms that people think to be one of love - and giving her emotions that may not be natural for her. This doesn't make things easier for her, especially if the advice she receives isn't accurate.

Arika may indeed feel for Sergey, but lovestruck is not what her symptoms are. There are no outward emotions showing as a result of being absent from Sergey, i.e. she has expressed no outward tendencies that make us think she desires to see him, and she doesn't try to please him. She'd rush to help him, but only because that is her nature and that he has done the same for her. Him rescuing her did create a bond, but not one of lovers. Let's be realistic here.

No, Arika is not lovestruck with Sergey. She is a confused little teenager with nanomachines going wild - and not hormones, as some think. The symptoms may be similar to those in love, but not identical. The differences, to me, outweigh the similarities.

Xellos-_^

2006-01-09, 23:25

I commend you for your reasoning.:)

Actually, you're not the only one who hinted at that situation. I, too, have been thinking along that line as one of the possibilities and mentioned some other in other threads, incl. ep 11 thread (but where did it go?), and well as this one (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=439627&postcount=363).

Ready to take out the guns and criticize, one often forgets human nature. We are given no clues whatsoever as to what association Arika has had with the opposite sex. She had a grandpa, but other than having him mentioned once, no other comment was ever made about her having contact with men while she was raised by her grandma. And, I'm sorry, grandpa doesn't count. So, like you and a few others, I am not surprised that Arika is rather confused. I, too, think that she is reading too much into her emotions. Whatever her emotions towards Sergey may be, they will settle themselves to whatever form they may be. But I will bet for a brotherly/fatherly type love before the one that causes one to become mates and give up an otome's dream.

Let's not forget that her nanomachines are giving her trouble - immitating symptoms that people think to be one of love - and giving her emotions that may not be natural for her. This doesn't make things easier for her, especially if the advice she receives isn't accurate.

Arika may indeed feel for Sergey, but lovestruck is not what her symptoms are. There are no outward emotions showing as a result of being absent from Sergey, i.e. she has expressed no outward tendencies that make us think she desires to see him, and she doesn't try to please him. She'd rush to help him, but only because that is her nature and that he has done the same for her. Him rescuing her did create a bond, but not one of lovers. Let's be realistic here.

No, Arika is not lovestruck with Sergey. She is a confused little teenager with nanomachines going wild - and not hormones, as some think. The symptoms may be similar to those in love, but not identical. The differences, to me, outweigh the similarities.

If it is her Nano-machines acting up and giving her all these symptoms. Then the questions are 1. what is causing it? Her contrtact with mashiro, activiating the harmonium partially, the absences of the Meister Gems or a combination of all the factors. 2. Who injected her with the nanos in the first place? I can't imagin it is the schools nanos doing all those. Those should be you normal graden variety otome nanos. So who inject Arika with these nanos and when were they injected intoher body.

Ronin Aquila

2006-01-09, 23:56

If it is her Nano-machines acting up and giving her all these symptoms. Then the questions are 1. what is causing it?

Simple. Tomoe could very well have been slipping agents of a malignant nature into Arika's foods and drinks in trace quantities, much like how she almost caused Erestine's demise in Episode 10.

roon

2006-01-10, 00:12

It's funny that there is so much 'ranking' in terms of strength - there are already five pillars on one level and then we're putting them in order too? HiME was rooted more to 'emotion', so the strength really did fluctuate - but so far 'strength' in Otome is more 'regulated through an education system’. It increases it being about skill orientation, although I’m still sure that if a character goes ''uber'', then it will probably be down to a 'snap'.
That said, it’s all but certain that Natsuki will be ‘strong’, otherwise it would be sorta amusing.

At first I was thinking the Pillars were ranked in order. Strength, perhaps, but in order of them joining seems more plausible. That was why I wondered why Natsuki was II and Shizuru was III... Shizuru was obviously a year older, so how could this be? Either Natsuki became a pillar first (which is not making any sense in my head), or there just isn't any significance between a pillar's number. I'm going with the latter!

I really do hope they touch up on this back story, or at least MENTION it sometime. With so many characters to develop, I'm becoming more and more impatient. It doesn't help that I've become cautious with anything Sunrise since GSD...

piccolo

2006-01-10, 00:22

If it is her Nano-machines acting up and giving her all these symptoms. Then the questions are 1. what is causing it? Her contrtact with mashiro, activiating the harmonium partially, the absences of the Meister Gems or a combination of all the factors. 2. Who injected her with the nanos in the first place? I can't imagin it is the schools nanos doing all those. Those should you normal graden variety otome nanos. So who inject Arika with these nanos and when were they injected intoher body.

Well, Xellos,

I'm not sure if you've seen all the episodes of Mai-Otome, but the school injected Arika with the nanomachines. They are the very essence of what makes an otome. The saphires, or miniature crystal computers, control and limit these nanomachines. My theory is that Arika's nanomachines were upgraded to that of Meister status when the contract was made with Mashiro. Suddenly removing the controlling stones is like removing the buffer to a chemical reaction. Unexpected things may happen.

Because it is impossible for a mere human to remove the stones once a contract has been made (without cancelling the contract first), I do not think anyone suspects that her nanomachines were actually 'upgraded' or that such would affect her thus. Which is, in my opinion, why Arika was misled to believe that her lack of appetite and such was not the cause of the nanomachines but rather due to her supposed lovey-dovey feelings towards Sergey.

Unfortunately for Arika, her first symptoms began after she was rescued by Sergey. Though the timing is coincidental, it's no surprise she believes the advice given to her.

piccolo

2006-01-10, 00:32

Simple. Tomoe could very well have been slipping agents of a malignant nature into Arika's foods and drinks in trace quantities, much like how she almost caused Erestine's demise in Episode 10.
Now that is another interesting twist to my theory, but one that I don't think happened. Tomoe is not out to kill Arika. She didn't even want her uniform sold.

On the same principles, I don't think Tomoe was the one who placed a faulty communicator in her pack. First, she does not have the technological background to alter such a thing, and, second, there is no evidence that she has higher-up associates. So far she's been the leader in the bullying.

I believe that the actual target of the communicator was Erstin and not Arika. Arika does not have ties with any country and so is no-one's enemy - other than those filled with jealousy. But Erstin is easy to kill and represents a country of some interest to others.

Vallen Chaos Valiant

2006-01-10, 00:49

Xellos-_^

2006-01-10, 00:51

Well, Xellos,

I'm not sure if you've seen all the episodes of Mai-Otome, but the school injected Arika with the nanomachines. They are the very essence of what makes an otome. The saphires, or miniature crystal computers, control and limit these nanomachines. My theory is that Arika's nanomachines were upgraded to that of Meister status when the contract was made with Mashiro. Suddenly removing the controlling stones is like removing the buffer to a chemical reaction. Unexpected things may happen.

Because it is impossible for a mere human to remove the stones once a contract has been made (without cancelling the contract first), I do not think anyone suspects that her nanomachines were actually 'upgraded' or that such would affect her thus. Which is, in my opinion, why Arika was misled to believe that her lack of appetite and such was not the cause of the nanomachines but rather due to her supposed lovey-dovey feelings towards Sergey.

Unfortunately for Arika, her first symptoms began after she was rescued by Sergey. Though the timing is coincidental, it's no surprise she believes the advice given to her.

Read my post again, i already cover the nanos the school had injected as your normal otome nanos. But i am wonder if her nanos are acting then it must nanos NOT inject by the school. I am speculating who inject the strange nanos and when it was done.

piccolo

2006-01-10, 01:12

Read my post again, i already cover the nanos the school had injected as your normal otome nanos. But i am wonder if her nanos are acting then it must nanos NOT inject by the school. I am speculating who inject the strange nanos and when it was done.
I don't think so. No one else but the school has access the technology to make permanent nanomachines. Those of other factions have short life spans.

piccolo

2006-01-10, 01:15

Well, if you go to the spoiler thread you might find more incriminating evidence to suggest Tomoe is NOT above violence, for as long as someone else is doing it for her. And that Arika is fair game...
Evidence? You mean inference. There is no evidence that Tomoe is above violence, only inference. And though I agree with you on the possibility, I do not agree with you on probability.

Diodati

2006-01-10, 01:47

Now that is another interesting twist to my theory, but one that I don't think happened. Tomoe is not out to kill Arika. She didn't even want her uniform sold. On the same principles, I don't think Tomoe was the one who placed a faulty communicator in her pack. First, she does not have the technological background to alter such a thing
Well you'd think not - but it might not be too complex a procedure (emphasis on the might). Because lets face it, in anime, anyone can any sort of ability if the plot requires it. Personally I think it would be interesting if Tomoe 'could' because it opens up many sinister scenarios. Like giving people a boost of 'short' nanos for ''stengthening'' which leave physical side effects ala 'worse than Midori's arm'.

second, there is no evidence that she has higher-up associates. So far she's been the leader in the bullying.
The whole sabotage never made complete sense - I admit to being one of the Tomoe defenders, but seeing her positively overjoyed in ep 10 by the chance of Arika and Erstin being severely injured seemed to confirm she was the one who tampered with the bags. It doesn't really fit with her previous 'conservatism, but her behaviour is becoming less restrained in general I suppose. *shrugs*

As to having associates - does anyone know when Tomoe was confimed as a Windbloom native? (OMG she's the Princess!! ;) ) Because they kept it unknown for ages - and while I'm not into the idea of a massive conspiracy, I'm still not totally convinced.

I believe that the actual target of the communicator was Erstin and not Arika. Arika does not have ties with any country and so is no-one's enemy - other than those filled with jealousy. But Erstin is easy to kill and represents a country of some interest to others.
If it were a politically motivated attack then why would someone bother sneaking into an Otome training camp and attempting to tamper with the communicator of a Coral ranked not particularly high. Even if she did die, it's not like plotting the death of a proper meister, would it really send any shock waves outside the school. This too seems to suggest a more 'personal' reason by someone who 'knows' Erstin and Arika.

Evidence? You mean inference. There is no evidence that Tomoe is above violence, only inference. And though I agree with you on the possibility, I do not agree with you on probability.
Well I'm not going to hazard a guess either way, although the 15-17 episodes descriptions sound as though Tomoe may have some pretty nasty tactics coming up.

Vallen Chaos Valiant

2006-01-10, 03:06

Well I'm not going to hazard a guess either way, although the 15-17 episodes descriptions sound as though Tomoe may have some pretty nasty tactics coming up.

Actually, the evidence doesn't come from the Newtype episode descriptions, but from a different magazine.
Supplied by Starks:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=437389&postcount=234

the man on the left is the same guy involved with Arika's uniform theft. As such the four of them are considered Tomoe's henchmen.

Whatever they decide to do, you can bet it's under Tomoe's orders.

paTKany

2006-01-10, 11:35

As to having associates - does anyone know when Tomoe was confimed as a Windbloom native?

Since this:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=436489&postcount=214
3rd pic, relationships chart

Zafo

2006-01-10, 13:37

It's common for girls, or boys, to get crushes on older adults that are not just on TV. Like a teacher, or something. You just need the adult to handle it properly and talk to them.

Sergey is a Major-General in Artai, and I'm fully confident he has a good head on him. *If* he ever finds out about Arika's or Nina's feelings, I imagine he'll handle it like Yukito did in Cardcaptor Sakura when he was confronted with Sakura's feelings. She was a little kid and he was in high school, and he just talked to her calmly and got her to think about her feelings, and made her realize it was more of a "family" love then a romantic one. And he did so without any strong reaction that would scare her.

Arika's feelings may very well be a misplaced desire to know her father, and Nina's may be similar or a form of hero-worship that both are confusing for romantic feelings. The chances are excellent that the two will get into a bitter fight over it, but it's not certain. There's also the possibility that this will just be the set up for an emotional dialouge between Sergey and one or both girls.

And meanwhile, a bit of silly fanservice.

I trust Sunrise not to do anything stupid (just to LOOK like they're going to be stupid then redeem themselves at the last minute). I also trust Sergey as a character to handle himself in a perfectly respectable way.

I'd like to call the jury's attention to the time Sergey had to remove Arika's wet cloths and most of his, to keep her from freezing to death. Arika, in fine Arika fashon, freaked out, blushed, and got 100% silly. Sergey, kept it together and explained. Even when she was all blushy later, he said "try again in ten years" or "you're ten years too early." Sergey, to my eyes, is quite able to keep things under control.

If Arika woke up nekkid against *my* warm bare chest, I have no doubt I'd be convicted of being a pedophile five minutes and thirty-two seconds later. Sergey? A smile, couple of calm words, everything's sorted out.

Akuma-sama

2006-01-10, 13:56

Since this:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=436489&postcount=214
3rd pic, relationships chart
OUCH!

Ok, the Otome situation has officially gone from bad to OmfggetmeoutofhereNOW.

First: Arika is contracted to Mashiro (Windbloom), but she is financed by Sergei (Altai). From what Nagi said in the hike episode, I don't hesitate for a second to assume Nagi has already looked over what Sergei has been doing, and he's found that little fact out.

Second: Tomoe, being from Windbloom, is therefore very well placed to become Mashiro's Otome, and probably expected to do so... until Arika comes, that is; despite how they act, I think if Mashiro had to choose - to truly choose, without caring what other people think or about her own childish dislike for Arika - she would pick Arika over Tomoe.

Third: Nina, from Altai, is expected to become Nagi's Otome. However, given the choice between a regular Otome and one who can activate the Harmonium, there's no doubt he'd pick Arika.

Comes graduation:
Windbloom's Mashiro already has a contract with Arika, but it's an unofficial one and probably is against the rules (imagine if just any Otome could go up to anyone and make them their Master?).
Altai, however, has a firm grip on her; all Nagi has to do is use the finance card, and Arika is pretty much theirs.
In both cases, Arika steps on the dreams of either Tomoe or Nina, both of whom are already somewhat jealous of her (though less for Nina, but then Arika has big chances of ending up stomping on her dream instead, by ending up Nagi's).

Add to it the coming war and... this is gonna hurt. :twitch:

Zafo

2006-01-10, 14:07

Tremalkinger

2006-01-10, 14:58

Here some spoilers for ep14 ^^

This, is to illustrate why Romulus and Remus fight and how it will be resolve !

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9215/11368172404328nu.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11368172404328nu.jpg)

Even though I don't get all of it, that was great :heh: Is GEO a Japanese band? I've never heard of it. But Natsuki riding on Shizuru's back was priceless :D

Xellos-_^

2006-01-10, 15:01

Mashiro became her master because an Otome, or rather her nanomachine network, without a master clipped the gems in the right places, pledged, then activated. If Arika were to take those gems to someone else, I imagine her nanomachines would not resond to that master.

As for Sergey funding Arika, not even Arika knows that. I imagine Nagi does, since he's a shrewd operator. But since the funding was technically anonamous, Artai can't play that against her. Were they to, I imagine Arika, with Garderobe's support, could refuse. The Otome aren't slaves, I can't belive they don't have the right to refuse a contract. And if Artai were to complain about it, Arika could just say "caveat emptor" and walk away (assuming Arika could ever learn Latin).

Also Arika has been earning money to pay back "sergy" so if Artai does pull that trick Arika can pay them back and Natsuki can at tha tpoint probably have enough of a reason to step in and help Arika like she want to form the start. I can't Natsuki know the connection between Nagi and Aswald would allow Nagi to get Arika.

piccolo

2006-01-10, 16:06

The whole sabotage never made complete sense - I admit to being one of the Tomoe defenders, but seeing her positively overjoyed in ep 10 by the chance of Arika and Erstin being severely injured seemed to confirm she was the one who tampered with the bags. It doesn't really fit with her previous 'conservatism, but her behaviour is becoming less restrained in general I suppose. *shrugs*
I agree that Tomoe could have done it, but that conclusion would be based on personal inferences and not facts. It's because of such personal tendencies to draw upon conclusions - whether accurate or not - that writers, producers, and directors can control the audience the way they do. As a writer, I have done so myself.

Like any movie script, secrets can be unveiled at the director's discretion. So anything is possible - even the sabotage. But inference does not make one guilty. Only evidence that proves without a shadow of a doubt can make a person guilty. Innocent until proven guilty? Not in the forums.

Though I defended Tomoe (surprised myself), it does not mean that I have to like Tomoe. Neither does it mean that I do not think her capable of sabotage and murder. I, too, believe that she's up to no good, because, frankly, that's how she's being potrayed. It's an easy thing to believe since she's my least favourite character in Mai-Otome. And I do think that her hatred will grow to the degree that she will be capable of murder.

Hmmm.... perhaps I should stop being the devil's advocate and just agree with you all... But, hold it - I can't.
Actually, the evidence doesn't come from the Newtype episode descriptions, but from a different magazine.
Supplied by Starks:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=437389&postcount=234

the man on the left is the same guy involved with Arika's uniform theft. As such the four of them are considered Tomoe's henchmen.

Whatever they decide to do, you can bet it's under Tomoe's orders.
Actually, that they are Tomoe's henchmen has not been proven. Sources outside of SUNRISE should not be considered as fact - especially if they contradict the actual script of the show.

The only connection we can make to Tomoe is that the man sourced in the image, the one who sold the uniform, is actually going out with Miya Clochette. And that is not even evidence but possible hearsay since the correlation came out of Nina's mouth and not Tomoe's or Miya's. In addition, when Tomoe rebuked Miya for selling the uniform there was no mention by Tomoe that there was any association between Tomoe and the person who sold the uniform. The association was Miya's.

As to having associates - does anyone know when Tomoe was confimed as a Windbloom native?
Since this:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=436489&postcount=214
3rd pic, relationships chart
Is there a translation to all this? It looks interesting...

Mashiro became her master because an Otome, or rather her nanomachine network, without a master clipped the gems in the right places, pledged, then activated. If Arika were to take those gems to someone else, I imagine her nanomachines would not resond to that master.

As for Sergey funding Arika, not even Arika knows that. I imagine Nagi does, since he's a shrewd operator. But since the funding was technically anonamous, Artai can't play that against her. Were they to, I imagine Arika, with Garderobe's support, could refuse. The Otome aren't slaves, I can't belive they don't have the right to refuse a contract. And if Artai were to complain about it, Arika could just say "caveat emptor" and walk away (assuming Arika could ever learn Latin).
I quite enjoy your reasoning, Zafo. I, too, agree that Arika can not be bought. If the funding would disappear, she would just work harder.

Your other comment on whether two contracts can be made with the same stones, brings up an interesting point. Since they were removed we have not seen the blue saphires. It's still possible the Miyu still has them.

I never really trusted Miyu. It's a feeling not based on logic but inference from Mai-Hime. I know, I know. It's illogical not to, for Miyu seems to care deeply for Arika, and will most likely reappear again with the stones in hand (if she has them) or to help Arika out.

It would be hilarious if the stones were used to make another contract and then the Otome tried to materialize... *laughter* I guess, if your theory is correct, they'd be quite useless to anyone else but Mashiro and Arika.

But I wonder if that is true...

lone_wolf

2006-01-10, 16:30

Actually, that they are Tomoe's henchmen has not been proven. Sources outside of SUNRISE should not be considered as fact - especially if they contradict the actual script of the show.

This is a manga ad.

So actually this preview ad along with some other newsprint previews of Otome can be found in the manga tankobans and Akitashoten which publish those phone book manga compilations get their MO news directly from Sunrise.

--Lone Wolf

Zafo

2006-01-10, 16:50

It would be hilarious if the stones were used to make another contract and then the Otome tried to materialize... *laughter* I guess, if your theory is correct, they'd be quite useless to anyone else but Mashiro and Arika.

"I guess our only course of action will be to silence the Sapphire of Heaven and her Master! Bwa ha ha ha!" *dramatic music*

Though I wonder, once Natsuki and the others find out Arika is bound to Mashiro for life:

(1) How will Natsuki et al react? Will they want the gems back or will they try and support the pair? If they want the stones back, how will they get them and make them usful?

(2) How will Arika react knowing she's stuck with Mashiro?

(3) How will Mashiro react knowing she's stuck with Arika?

As for (2) and (3) I picture Arika and Mashiro hating each other, and knowing they can hurt each other by hurting themselves (eg: Amiboshi and Suboshi from Fushigi Yuugi) stabbing themselves in the leg or arm just to hurt the other, thier hatred keeping them from feeling thier own pain.

...and a single tear rolls down my cheek thinking of how sweet and loving a pair they'd make!

Xellos-_^

2006-01-10, 18:13

"I guess our only course of action will be to silence the Sapphire of Heaven and her Master! Bwa ha ha ha!" *dramatic music*

Though I wonder, once Natsuki and the others find out Arika is bound to Mashiro for life:

(1) How will Natsuki et al react? Will they want the gems back or will they try and support the pair? If they want the stones back, how will they get them and make them usful?

(2) How will Arika react knowing she's stuck with Mashiro?

(3) How will Mashiro react knowing she's stuck with Arika?

As for (2) and (3) I picture Arika and Mashiro hating each other, and knowing they can hurt each other by hurting themselves (eg: Amiboshi and Suboshi from Fushigi Yuugi) stabbing themselves in the leg or arm just to hurt the other, thier hatred keeping them from feeling thier own pain.

...and a single tear rolls down my cheek thinking of how sweet and loving a pair they'd make!

Natuski alreadys Arika has a contract with Mashiro, rewatch the beginning of ep8. And i don't think the Gems bound Arika dn Mashiro for life. Shizuru already ask if Natuski want her help Arika null the contract. Since they already what Gem it is, they are probably familar with it enough to know whether they can null the contract to make that statement.

The Bloodlust Kid

2006-01-10, 19:05

I just downloaded this episode and I'm having a bit of problems.

Throughout the whole episode, the scenes become pixelated and sometimes skip.

Anybody else with similar problems?

Catgirls

2006-01-10, 19:57

I just downloaded this episode and I'm having a bit of problems.

Throughout the whole episode, the scenes become pixelated and sometimes skip.

Anybody else with similar problems?Hi ya. :)

You might want to check out this thread -- Doremi-Fansubs Mia-Otome Ep. 13 Playback Issues -- and see if that has any answers for you. If not, try posting there and maybe someone will have an answer for your particular problem.

Hope that helps. Cheers. :)

piccolo

2006-01-11, 01:24

http://tinypic.com/k16vt1.jpg

Oh, cute, Catgirls.

Your own personal angel...

piccolo

2006-01-11, 01:32

This is a manga ad.

So actually this preview ad along with some other newsprint previews of Otome can be found in the manga tankobans and Akitashoten which publish those phone book manga compilations get their MO news directly from Sunrise.

--Lone Wolf
So this is not the manga but a manga ad?

I'm asking because in Mai Hime, SUNRISE deviated quite significantly from the Manga. I'd expect the same with the Mai-Otome manga. So, just how accurate is this ad?

lone_wolf

2006-01-11, 01:38

So this is not the manga but a manga ad?

I'm asking because in Mai Hime, SUNRISE deviated quite significantly from the Manga. I'd expect the same with the Mai-Otome manga. So, just how accurate is this ad?

It's an ad *from* the manga. Sunrise and any other anime company will always take the marketing inititiative to promote their stuff in anything that's remotely related to their series.

And how accurate is Sunrise (since they are the direct source to Akitashoten), you ask?:eyebrow: Perhaps, they're throwing us a red herring...who knows.

--Lone Wolf

Eclipze

2006-01-11, 01:56

About the part where Shizuru had her hair damaged....I doubt it could be anyone except the sniper (Im not sure if this was mentioned in this thread) since technically, the sniper was aiming to destory the dark stone (that Shizuru mentioned to be different from the previous ones) and that Shizuru's hair was in the way.

That way, Shizuru wouldn't have any evidence as to the existance of a new dark stone that summons slaves.

Of course, the sniper may had included abit of Shizuru's hair in his line of fire just to surpise her. :heh:

piccolo

2006-01-11, 03:09

It's an ad *from* the manga. Sunrise and any other anime company will always take the marketing inititiative to promote their stuff in anything that's remotely related to their series.

And how accurate is Sunrise (since they are the direct source to Akitashoten), you ask?:eyebrow: Perhaps, they're throwing us a red herring...who knows.

--Lone Wolf
:uhoh:

Me? Question SUNRISE? Really?

Perhaps it's all those red herrings of the past

:eyespin: :eyespin:

Actually, I was not questioning Sunrise, just wondering about the ad. I really should learn Japanese...

But thanks for the info. Always appreciated. :)

kari-no-sugata

2006-01-11, 08:34

Earlier in this thread, I posted this:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=436317&postcount=197

But if we look at the official summary for the ep:
http://www.my-zhime.net/story/story.html

The kanji for "Enju no Kougyoku" is "炎綬の紅玉" after all.

Still don't get what the reference is though. Maybe "string" refers to Mai's scarf? Seems a bit unlikely though...

flou

2006-01-11, 10:11

kari-no-sugata

2006-01-11, 10:29

Maybe ruby string=red string (of fate). Just a thought...

It's the "fire" and "string" parts that are connected though - "enju" = "fire string". I don't think the character for fire here can mean "red" in any context...

I looked up the kanji for "enju" via Google and about the only real hits were Mai-Otome related. So I don't think it's an existing word or name.

Maybe it's something that'll make sense when Mai actually turns up - ie could be related to one of the super-attacks.

Efreeta

2006-01-11, 11:23

It's the "fire" and "string" parts that are connected though - "enju" = "fire string". I don't think the character for fire here can mean "red" in any context...

I looked up the kanji for "enju" via Google and about the only real hits were Mai-Otome related. So I don't think it's an existing word or name.

Maybe it's something that'll make sense when Mai actually turns up - ie could be related to one of the super-attacks.

It may be. I watched the Opening frame-by-frame after the image of 'shadow-Mai", and her silhouette can be seen inside the "string" of fire destroying all those Slaves (time: 2.22). Looks like it's indeed her special attack...

http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/8881/maistring8np.th.jpg (http://img498.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maistring8np.jpg)

Zafo

2006-01-11, 11:28

I think the whole "Red String of Fate" styled name deserives merit. There's Shizuru as "The Graceful Amethyst", which could be written also as "The Amethyst of Grace". Perhaps each of the five pillar gems has a universal attribute?

(I hate to say it, but kind of like the crests in the original Digimon?)

kari-no-sugata

2006-01-11, 11:58

It may be. I watched the Opening frame-by-frame after the image of 'shadow-Mai", and her silhouette can be seen inside the "string" of fire destroying all those Slaves (time: 2.22). Looks like it's indeed her special attack...

http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/8881/maistring8np.th.jpg (http://img498.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maistring8np.jpg)

If there really is something inside that blast, then maybe that'd explaining it curving (unless it's simply a "lens effect").

btw, I note that those Slaves Mai's mowing down look the same as the one that Arika got. But Mai's doing like 100 at once :D (I guess Schwartz comes up with a way for mass Slave controlling or something. Assuming the events in that sequence actually happen).

Eclipze

2006-01-11, 12:39

btw, I note that those Slaves Mai's mowing down look the same as the one that Arika got. But Mai's doing like 100 at once :D (I guess Schwartz comes up with a way for mass Slave controlling or something. Assuming the events in that sequence actually happen).
Either thats something that Mai did in the past, or the way she would be introduced into MO. (like if WindBloom is under-attack by those slaves, she suddenly comes by and basically pwn them all at once?):heh:

Xellos-_^

2006-01-11, 13:21

Either thats something that Mai did in the past, or the way she would be introduced into MO. (like if WindBloom is under-attack by those slaves, she suddenly comes by and basically pwn them all at once?):heh:

There was some speculation on the future spoiler thread that there was going to be a attack on the school by Schwartz. I am guessing if that is we will see Mai when the fighting heats up. She will pawn them all on Freedom.

stillmissing

2006-01-11, 16:52

Couldn't "Fire String" simply be a reference to this? http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3599/wh8my.th.jpg (http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wh8my.jpg)

dznutz

2006-01-11, 16:57

Zafo

2006-01-11, 17:10

I don't understand this. Akane was about to take a position that was left because the "Meister?" was getting married? I was under the impression that Otomes can't have any "male fluids" in them as it will destroy their infused nanomachines.

That's right, they want to get a replacement for her before the other Otome goes off, ties the knot, and starts in with those "male fluids."

Matrim

2006-01-11, 17:11

I don't understand this. Akane was about to take a position that was left because the "Meister?" was getting married? I was under the impression that Otomes can't have any "male fluids" in them as it will destroy their infused nanomachines.

Isn't it obvious that the Otome in question is retiring exactly due to the male fluids factor which prevents her from being both an Otome and a married woman? And that's why the ruler needed a new Otome.

dznutz

2006-01-11, 17:18

That's right, they want to get a replacement for her before the other Otome goes off, ties the knot, and starts in with those "male fluids."

I was under the impression that the "male fluids" will kill the Otome? Or are you saying the "little boys" will just deactivate the nanomachines and cause the Otomes to lose their abilities? Sorry, I'm an idiot

lone_wolf

2006-01-11, 17:58

I was under the impression that the "male fluids" will kill the Otome? Or are you saying the "little boys" will just deactivate the nanomachines and cause the Otomes to lose their abilities? Sorry, I'm an idiot

It doesn't kill the Otome. It creates "anti-bodies" whic destroy those nanomachines...in other words, she would become "immune" to them.

--Lone Wolf

Sian

2006-01-11, 18:19

and thats the perfect way to render an army (since otome's pretty much is one-man-armies) ineffective with no killings :) ... 'only' a hurt soul

Ahiko

2006-01-11, 18:42

Mm.. worst case scenario would be if an Otome in-training were to be raped since they're large game walking around Windbloom in their school uniform. :\

Anh_Minh

2006-01-11, 18:54

I imagine such things have been retaliated against with extreme prejudice.

Though I wonder, if one were to seriously try to take down Guarderobe, would it be a good move to spike the school's food with "male fluids"?

Nightengale

2006-01-11, 20:20

Eclipze

2006-01-11, 21:52

I think that the spermotoza fluid only works when it enters the holy garden.
Some people speculate that puting the Y-chromosomes(sp?) into darts might work.....but I think it has to be alive or "fresh":uhoh:

MattAlchemy

2006-01-11, 22:16

Eclipze

2006-01-11, 22:59

Looks like Duran. But we 90% know that's Mai.:heh:
But wouldn't Duran be covered in ice instead of flames though?;)

MattAlchemy

2006-01-11, 23:04

But wouldn't Duran be covered in ice instead of flames though?;)
Oh... Well Mai used her magic thingy that was on her hand in the legend book of her and "sacred Tate" and ran it to Duran. Then turned into her slave.:heh:

sytyue

2006-01-13, 18:56

Diodati

2006-01-13, 19:04

Shizuru isn't Natsuki's Otome - she's more Natsuki's 'right-hand gal' probably because Natsuki is principal - not due to Otome/power-issues.

And yeah both of them are Pillars - as they are pledged to Fumi neither of them need a living master. Natsuki should be able to materialise (she's just been somewhat reluctant to) Shizuru is usually the one to beat everyone up so far, maybe that's the ''proper order of things'' (it's not very 'Principal-like behaviour etc)

But as Shizuru is now gone, if an attack did occur on the school, Natsuki would probably feel a bit more compelled to Materialise. She's meant to be very ''interesting'' when p*ssed off so I'm looking forward to it.

Xellos-_^

2006-01-13, 19:09

In episode 13 when Arika and her classmates were reading about the story in the libary, she said something about the five pillars and how Natsuki and Shizuru are part of the give pillars.

I had always thought, or it had always seemed to me that Natsuki was Shizuru's master when Shizuru was Natsuki's otome. However, I had just realize that Shizuru's doesn't need a contact in order to materilize. Is that the power of the five pillars? And since Natsuki still has an earring on, does that mean she could transform as well?

Just wondering and a bit confused.

That info is in the Q&A thread, but yes Shizuru and Natuski are both Pillers. There are a total of Five Pillers at any given time. Pillers unlike regular Meister do not need permission to transform into sailor scouts ;) Anything else in terms of strength is pure speculation.

Confirm Pillers:
Natuski
Shizuru
Mai, was offer the job but not sure what her status is now

Probably Pillers:
Miss Marie
Yukariko

lone_wolf

2006-01-13, 19:22

But as Shizuru is now gone, if an attack did occur on the school, Natsuki would probably feel a bit more compelled to Materialise. She's meant to be very ''interesting'' when p*ssed off so I'm looking forward to it.

Ohhh, we haven't seen a *really* pissed off Natsuki in quite sometime so I'm definitely looking forward to that.:)

--Lone Wolf

sytyue

2006-01-13, 20:40

Ohhh, we haven't seen a *really* pissed off Natsuki in quite sometime so I'm definitely looking forward to that.:)

--Lone Wolf

heh i agree! Natsuki fough a lot and was an amazing fighter in Mai Hime. I really really look forward to seeing her materlize and fight in Mai Otome!:p

ArchDragon

2006-01-13, 21:04

That info is in the Q&A thread, but yes Shizuru and Natuski are both Pillers. There are a total of Five Pillers at any given time. Pillers unlike regular Meister do not need permission to transform into sailor scouts ;) Anything else in terms of strength is pure speculation.

Confirm Pillers:
Natuski
Shizuru
Mai, was offer the job but not sure what her status is now

Probably Pillers:
Miss Marie
Yukariko

Yukariko is a pillar for sure, since she doesn't need anyone's authorization to materialize her robe.
Miss Maria is most likely a pillar too, since she still wore her Meister uniform on formal occasions, yet she has no master.

The only pillar that is missing is Mai, which is ironically the one with the number "I".
Btw, Natsuki is "II" and Shizuru is "III".
My guess is that the pillars are ranked in order of power.

Diodati

2006-01-13, 21:25

Ohhh, we haven't seen a *really* pissed off Natsuki in quite sometime so I'm definitely looking forward to that.:)

--Lone Wolf

Indeed - and now that Sunrise have hyped it so much. Like how episode 18 is called White Out (I think?) - and people are hoping it's her special attack heh.

The only pillar that is missing is Mai, which is ironically the one with the number "I".
Btw, Natsuki is "II" and Shizuru is "III".
My guess is that the pillars are ranked in order of power.
I'll be disappointed if it is. That Shizuru is already on an uber-ness level, the idea of Natsuki and Mai being 'stronger' seems a bit weird. And it also lessens the worth - what's the point of having five Pillars if they're at clear varying power. My guess is they each have a 'function' - kinda how the Captains are numbered in Bleach - not pertaining clearly to strength but 'individual' role. At least this is what I hope - no doubt it will turn out to be a basic ''1st 2nd 3rd thing'' meh.

ArchDragon

2006-01-13, 21:33

I'll be disappointed if it is. That Shizuru is already on an uber-ness level, the idea of Natsuki and Mai being 'stronger' seems a bit weird. And it also lessens the worth - what's the point of having five Pillars if they're at clear varying power. My guess is they each have a 'function' - kinda how the Captains are numbered in Bleach - not pertaining clearly to strength but 'individual' role. At least this is what I hope - no doubt it will turn out to be a basic ''1st 2nd 3rd thing'' meh.

It's just my guess, mind you.

I was initially thinking the "Bleach" way, but then Natsuki would have to be "I", since she's the principal.
So I switch my guess over to raw brutal power, which kind of make sense since Mai was the most powerful HiME.

And the difference in power between them doesn't have to be huge, mind you.
Like say, they're within 5% of each other.

lone_wolf

2006-01-13, 21:35

Indeed - and now that Sunrise have hyped it so much. Like how episode 18 is called White Out (I think?) - and people are hoping it's her special attack heh.

Okay now you're getting me *REALLY* excited. I forgot about that title. *squeels like a pathetic schoolgirl*

I'll be disappointed if it is. That Shizuru is already on an uber-ness level, the idea of Natsuki and Mai being 'stronger' seems a bit weird. And it also lessens the worth - what's the point of having five Pillars if they're at clear varying power. My guess is they each have a 'function' - kinda how the Captains are numbered in Bleach - not pertaining clearly to strength but 'individual' role. At least this is what I hope - no doubt it will turn out to be a basic ''1st 2nd 3rd thing'' meh.

Hmmm...maybe it's harmonium related...the numbers I, II, and II. Okay, ignore me, I think I just had a brain fart or something.:heh:

--Lone Wolf

Diodati

2006-01-13, 22:48

I was going to put this in the Pillar thread, but I then remembered the forum lost it when that turd hacked 'Suki. :frustrated:

I was initially thinking the "Bleach" way, but then Natsuki would have to be "I", since she's the principal.

Maybe.
Perhaps Mai was offered the Pincipal job, which made her decision between that and her lurve all the more harder? Or maybe the Principal role doesn't bear too much effect on the overall function of the Pillars (like I don't see the Pincipal 'leading' the Pillars etc)

The main problem with the linear numbering (by Dio):

Say, Maria is a Pillar, it's quite likely she was one before Natsuki, Shizuru and Mai were. So was she always fourth/fifth? Or even if we take Shizuru, who we know is III, it's likely Pearl Number 1 became a Pillar before her Coral underclassmates (although that might not have happened) So was she always number III, had the two people 'above' her coveniently both ''ceased'' and were replaced by Natsuki and Mai at the same time (all of whom where about 5% stronger than her??) Or even worse was she I, and then got 'demoted' twice when Natsuki and Mai joined up.

This way of ranking is very interchangable - on if a Pillar dies or a new one gets assigned:
e.g. if Natsuki (heaven forbid) died, Shizuru would either get II or would they have to give II to someone who was exactly the same strength as Natsuki (i.e. slightly more than Shizuru) Hmmm, unlikely.

As they haven't replaced Mai seems to suggest that a position is left open on the account of 'suitability' - or down to the GEM/Otome herself. It would be far less hassle if Shizuru was assigned III and will always stay III. They've been given specific ''names'' (as are all meisters) which seems to indicate that they're all very much in a speciality to the Pillar unity. It would be less troublesome and 'playground-ish' that way imo.

So I switch my guess over to raw brutal power, which kind of make sense since Mai was the most powerful HiME.
That's true - and I'm very sure Natsuki and Mai will be strong. But I personally don't think the 'skill' will be too different between each of them. If one is more stronger than it will be down to emotion as it was in HiME. As power-from-skill starts to cease a bit when you get to a certain level - you 'can't' really rank it...

Hmmm...maybe it's harmonium related...the numbers I, II, and II.
You just want Mai, Natsuki and Shizuru playing the Harmonium rather than Arika, Mashiro and Nina. :heh:

To start with I thought it might be a Five Elemental thing, but they never went that route :(

Okay now you're getting me *REALLY* excited. I forgot about that title. *squeels like a pathetic schoolgirl*
LOL What's her gem...Silver Quartz Of Ice and Snow?? Was it ever translated as anything else?

White Out......it would fit....definitely....

Bah episode 18 seems ages away, and it will turn out to be something totally unrelated.

Shigan

2006-01-13, 22:59

Are we sure the White Out is related to anything with violence and an attack thou? For all I know, it could mean something entirely else, maybe it's because I'm chinese but I get the "Confession" vibe from that title.

lone_wolf

2006-01-13, 23:12

To start with I thought it might be a Five Elemental thing, but they never went that route :(

LOL What's her gem...Silver Quartz Of Ice and Snow?? Was it ever translated as anything else?

White Out......it would fit....definitely....

Bah episode 18 seems ages away, and it will turn out to be something totally unrelated.

Hmmm...Akane's episode was "Akaneiro no sora ni" (In the Deep Red sky) so do we know of any characters that have the word "White" in their name? Oh but they used Katakana so it literal says "Howaito Auto" Whiteout...I guess that rules out any name since white in Japanese is 'shiro' or 'shiroi'. Am I forgetting anyone or thing?

Although whenever I see that title I can't help but picture "correction fluid"

"On the next episode of Mai Otome, Natsuki runs out of correction fluid"

Natsuki: Damn! I'm out of White out correction fluid! Shizuru I need....
Natsuki: Oh crap, she's on a mission.

*crumples paper and starts over*:heh:

--Lone Wolf

Xellos-_^

2006-01-13, 23:22

Hmmm...Akane's episode was "Akaneiro no sora ni" (In the Deep Red sky) so do we know of any characters that have the word "White" in their name? Oh but they used Katakana so it literal says "Howaito Auto" Whiteout...I guess that rules out any name since white in Japanese is 'shiro' or 'shiroi'. Am I forgetting anyone or thing?

Although whenever I see that title I can't help but picture "correction fluid"

"On the next episode of Mai Otome, Natsuki runs out of correction fluid"

Natsuki: Damn! I'm out of White out correction fluid! Shizuru I need....
Natsuki: Oh crap, she's on a mission.

*crumples paper and starts over*:heh:

--Lone Wolf

mashiro means white diamond or something? At least thats how interpret her name.

lone_wolf

2006-01-13, 23:25

mashiro means white diamond or something? At least thats how interpret her name.

Actually it means something like "Pure white". Hmmm....I completely forgot about her.:heh: Perhaps the episode is about her again...much to most people's chagrin.

Thanks, Xellos.:)

--Lone Wolf

Xellos-_^

2006-01-13, 23:42

Actually it means something like "Pure white". Hmmm....I completely forgot about her.:heh: Perhaps the episode is about her again...much to most people's chagrin.

Thanks, Xellos.:)

--Lone Wolf

Don't worry, we will see Natuski in action. it is just a matter of time.

Anh_Minh

2006-01-14, 02:53

My guess is that newly made pillars just take whatever numbers are available. They have no special meaning. (Maybe the old Pillar I and II were active when Shizuru became one?)